Breitbart.com’s Epic Fail of the Day: The Fake Story That Paul Krugman Filed for Bankruptcy

Covering themselves in wingnut glory again
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Seems like it was only yesterday that Breitbart editor John “Murder the Liberal Teachers” Nolte posted a lengthy gloat about the Washington Post falling for a satirical story at The Daily Currant, slamming author Suzi Parker for not recognizing a parody and ending with this memorable sentence: “[Palin] drives members of the elite media so crazy that the blindness of their hate overwhelms common sense to a such point that they turn into public laughingstocks overnight.”

…never one to let facts get in the way of a good Narrative, the “we-meant-to-do-that” Post merely added a correction, changed the headline to “Sarah Palin tries to stay relevant,” scrubbed the Al-Jazeera references (the original post can be read here), and still ripped Palin for, uhm, being so desperate to stay relevant.

If Parker had a shred of self-awareness, integrity, and dignity, she would have changed the headline to “Too Good To Check,” and under it posted an essay about how shallow, smug, bitterly angry partisanship can blind you to common sense.

Yes, all the Washington Post did was add a correction, in bold text, right at the top of the article.

When breitbart.com editor Larry O’Connor fell for yet another Daily Currant story today about New York Times economist Paul Krugman filing for bankruptcy, how did the excellent right wing journalists at Breitbart handle it?

They just deleted it with no correction or explanation at all: Breitbart.com Runs With Satirical Story About Krugman Filing for Bankruptcy.

A screenshot of the deleted page:

Paul Krugman says he’s been Breitbarted.

OK, I’m an evil person — and my scheming has paid off.

On Friday I started hearing from friends about a fake story making the rounds about my allegedly filing for personal bankruptcy; I even got asked about the story by a reporter from Russian television, who was very embarrassed when I told him it was fake. But I decided not to post anything about it; instead, I wanted to wait and see which right-wing media outlets would fall for the hoax.

And Breitbart.com came through!

Now, if you’ll excuse me, I have to go give a lavishly paid speech to Friends of Hamas.

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1 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 12:33:56pm
Now, if you’ll excuse me, I have to go give a lavishly paid speech to Friends of Hamas.

BURN!!!!! ROFLMAO!!!

2 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 12:36:11pm

Breitbart better be careful or they’ll blow their credibility.

/snicker

3 Bulworth  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 12:36:12pm

I’m not sure why Breitbarts took the Krugman article down. It was about as accurate a story as anything else they’ve published. /

4 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 12:37:12pm

Le Sigh

Voucher school history book: Hippies didn’t bathe, worshipped Satan

*facepalm*

5 Tigger2005  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 12:37:15pm
Now, if you’ll excuse me, I have to go give a lavishly paid speech to Friends of Hamas.

Ooohhhh…more red meat for the outrage machine.

6 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 12:40:04pm

re: #4 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Le Sigh

Voucher school history book: Hippies didn’t bathe, worshipped Satan

*facepalm*

The things you find out about your father from conservative history books.

7 Gus  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 12:41:08pm

Derp.

8 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 12:41:54pm

re: #4 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Le Sigh

Voucher school history book: Hippies didn’t bathe, worshipped Satan

*facepalm*

Wow….just wow.

9 Gus  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 12:42:34pm

Andrew Breitbart will go down in history!!

10 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 12:47:43pm

re: #4 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Le Sigh

Voucher school history book: Hippies didn’t bathe, worshipped Satan

*facepalm*

Voucher programs are another way for morons to deny reality.

11 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 12:47:43pm

re: #9 Gus

Andrew Breitbart will go down in history!!

Yabba Derpa Do!

12 Minor_L  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 12:47:51pm

As Cerberus at Sadly, No! likes to say, “IT’S ALWAYS PROJECTION.”

13 A Mom Anon  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 12:50:33pm

re: #10 Kragar (Antichrist )

And to drain money out of public schools. I simply do not understand the mindset of abandoning infrastructure that’s already there and not lifting a finger to do anything to make the schools better(and parental involvement is a key, but not the ONLY key to fixing what’s broken). It helps create a shadow school system that deprives kids of a decent education. Gah. I’m so sick of wingnuts breaking things I could scream.

14 Randall Gross  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 12:51:19pm

You have to wonder how much longer the idiocy can continue — at some point the checks are going to stop.

15 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 12:51:31pm

re: #9 Gus

Andrew Breitbart will go down in history!!

The farther down, the better.

16 makeitstop  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 12:53:29pm

I’m willing to bet good money that that same history book has virtually nothing in it about the Vietnam War.

17 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 12:53:42pm

re: #13 A Mom Anon

Conservatives are doing everything they can to fuck over the future of America.

18 erik_t  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 12:54:05pm

Oblig.

Troll on, Paul. Troll on.

19 Minor_L  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 12:55:41pm

re: #13 A Mom Anon

I think they would rather destroy things than admit that their ideas aren’t workable.

20 A Mom Anon  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 12:57:40pm

re: #17 Kragar (Antichrist )

I’ll say it again: Why in the HELL would you elect people to run the government who hate the government? Would you hire a babysitter who hates kids? A doctor who wants patients to suffer and die? Shouldn’t you want people who actually give a shit about their communities and governance? And then these same IDIOTS whine and complain when things don’t work and blame it on the people who want it to work.

I’m losing my hope and faith in good winning out over evil and stupid.

21 Lidane  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 1:02:19pm
22 Lidane  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 1:04:30pm

*ahem*

23 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 1:06:56pm

re: #21 Lidane

In other news, North Korea shut down its hotline with South Korea.

Lil’ Kim Jr suddenly found that his porn bandwith just doubled. /

The South didn’t notice; they’ve been on hold with the North since 1953.

Yet, I do wish that this would be the most violence we see along the dmz:

Youtube Video
24 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 1:08:59pm

re: #16 makeitstop

I’m willing to bet good money that that same history book has virtually nothing in it about the Vietnam War.

I’d be willing to bet they’d love to use the alternate timeline from “Watchmen”: ie, South Vietnam becomes the 51st state of the USA.

25 engineer cat  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 1:10:08pm

re: #8 Eclectic Cyborg

Wow….just wow.

in this picture taken perhaps 45 years ago, the “hippies” look, if anything, rather unremarkable, and even old fashioned and a bit on the conservative side, sartorially…

what i considered “being a hippie” 45 years ago when i was 14 years old - smokes marijuana, listens to rock music, wears blue jeans, doesn’t groom hair according to pre-1968 strictures - would today be typical of any high school student who wasn’t with it enough to listen to rap

26 kirkspencer  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 1:12:26pm

re: #25 engineer cat

in this picture taken perhaps 45 years ago, the “hippies” look, if anything, rather unremarkable, and even old fashioned and a bit on the conservative side, sartorially…

what i considered “being a hippie” 45 years ago when i was 14 years old - smokes marijuana, listens to rock music, wears blue jeans, doesn’t groom hair according to pre-1968 strictures - would today be typical of any high school student who wasn’t with it enough to listen to rap

Eh, the shirtless one with the pornstache would probably get bounced in most schools, but yeah - he’d still be thought of as conservative.

27 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 1:15:11pm

Bill Cosby Equates Republican Racism With Anti-Civil Rights Segregationists

video at the end, I can’t figure out how to embed

I love this line, from the article:

Cosby was referring to President Barack Obama’s recent State of the Union address in which several of his political adversaries made it painfully aware that they would rather be filing their toenails down with a pointy rock than bear another moment of his speech.

28 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 1:16:15pm

re: #4 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Le Sigh

Voucher school history book: Hippies didn’t bathe, worshipped Satan

*facepalm*

Where is that picture of a bunch of hippies all bathing together in a hot tub?

Maybe I can’t find it because I have “safe search” on?

(I am not at work now)

29 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 1:16:19pm

How is everyone this day?

30 Lidane  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 1:17:31pm

re: #8 Eclectic Cyborg

Wow….just wow.

Seriously?

I could throw a rock out of my office window right now and hit people who look exactly like that. Those aren’t hippies. They’re ironic hipsters, and a lot of them work for tech companies in and around Austin.

31 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 1:18:00pm

re: #29 FemNaziBitch

How is everyone this day?

Most excellent. Got my federal tax return which means money into the IRA, money into savings and still money left over to buy a float tube for fishing. You?

32 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 1:19:07pm

re: #28 Vicious Babushka

Where is that picture of a bunch of hippies all bathing together in a hot tub?

Maybe I can’t find it because I have “safe search” on?

(I am not at work now)

I have a young(er) friend who is really into the music scene. She and her friends would definitely scare a basement dwelling clean-cut bible thumping Whacko. They even scoff at the modern-day hippies as being rather *ahem* lame.

33 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 1:19:47pm

re: #31 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Most excellent. Got my federal tax return which means money into the IRA, money into savings and still money left over to buy a float tube for fishing. You?

Excellent News! and I am awake. Thanks for askin’!

34 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 1:20:25pm

I think the definition of Satan worship is anyone that thinks for themselves and isn’t ashamed by their body.

35 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 1:21:22pm

re: #34 FemNaziBitch

I think the definition of Satan worship is anyone that thinks for themselves and isn’t ashamed by their body.

or explores a religion or philosophy that isn’t Christian or Western. Honestly, I think the Beatles’ best music comes from the time they spent with Ravi Shankar in India.

36 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 1:22:01pm
Youtube Video

Enjoy.
37 Lidane  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 1:22:18pm

re: #34 FemNaziBitch

I think the definition of Satan worship is anyone that thinks for themselves and isn’t ashamed by their body.

It also applies to anyone who read and enjoyed the Harry Potter books.

38 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 1:23:24pm

I get so pissed about the homeschooling issue. Perhaps because I raised my kid in the Montessori community, I know a few excellent homeschoolers—all sans religion.

The Whackos are going to ruin everyone’s civil liberties before they are finished. Which, like their brethren in the East, is exactly what they want.

39 steve_davis  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 1:24:09pm

re: #10 Kragar (Antichrist )

Voucher programs are another way for morons to deny reality.

The part about not bathing is partly true. They gave each other tongue baths. It took longer, and kept them mostly out of trouble.

40 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 1:24:45pm

re: #37 Lidane

It also applies to anyone who read and enjoyed the Harry Potter books.

OMG! I was deep into selling use books when I read about the burning of Harry Potter first editions (with, I feared, pristine dustjackets).

41 Bulworth  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 1:25:05pm

“They…deliberately broke all codes of politeness or manners.”

OK, but enough about Michelle Malkin and wingnuts on Twitter….

42 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 1:25:34pm

re: #35 FriendsofHummus

or explores a religion or philosophy that isn’t Christian or Western. Honestly, I think the Beatles’ best music comes from the time they spent with Ravi Shankar in India.

Being a Pagan I often get confused as being some kind of Satan worshipper. Of course my wife has no end of fun with it when she tells uber christians that I am a Pagan. They immediately start in with the whole “Oh let me talk to him so he can be saved” blah, blah, blah. She just laughs and tells them they’d have more luck converting a stone and that they’d be more likely to question themselves when we were done.

I have absolutely no issue with people believing what they believe so long as they don’t push it on me.

43 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 1:26:30pm

re: #39 steve_davis

The part about not bathing is partly true. They gave each other tongue baths. It took longer, and kept them mostly out of trouble.

How do you hide money from a Hippy? Put it under the Soap! - GWAR

44 Gus  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 1:28:57pm

re: #27 FemNaziBitch

Bill Cosby Equates Republican Racism With Anti-Civil Rights Segregationists

video at the end, I can’t figure out how to embed

I love this line, from the article:

Found it on Youtube.

Youtube Video
45 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 1:30:00pm

re: #42 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Being a Pagan I often get confused as being some kind of Satan worshipper. Of course my wife has no end of fun with it when she tells uber christians that I am a Pagan. They immediately start in with the whole “Oh let me talk to him so he can be saved” blah, blah, blah. She just laughs and tells them they’d have more luck converting a stone and that they’d be more likely to question themselves when we were done.

I have absolutely no issue with people believing what they believe so long as they don’t push it on me.

Not long ago here, I ran into a couple of missionaries, Americans (not LDS), and when they tried to ask me in Czech, “Have you heard about Jesus?” first I told them I was an American, and second of all, being a Muslim, of course I’d heard about Jesus.

They had that whole “does not compute” look going on….an American? White guy? Muslim?!

I wished them well, and went on my way, leaving two presumably very confused Americans behind.

46 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 1:30:55pm

I had a nightmare the other night that a female OB/GYN was actually burned at the stake in this country.

Now, I realize how likely it is to happen and I am really afraid for this world.

47 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 1:31:13pm

re: #44 Gus

You are terribly awesome.

48 Bulworth  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 1:31:19pm
Many of the rock musicians they followed belonged to Eastern religious cults

In many fundy circles, the term “Eastern religions” is like children being told of the boogeyman.

And of course Eastern religions are “cults”; not at all like the perfectly rational and normal fundy Christian churches. /

49 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 1:31:52pm

re: #44 Gus

Found it on Youtube.

[Embedded content]

I’d like to see the entire segment with him on the panel.

50 Gus  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 1:32:25pm

re: #49 FemNaziBitch

I’d like to see the entire segment with him on the panel.

Ah, would probably have to look on CNN.

51 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 1:34:25pm

Fischer: Marriage Equality Is Really ‘Inequality Under the Law’

Bryan Fischer is a big fan of the line of argumentation that gays already have full marriage equality because they have the same right to marry someone of the opposite sex as anyone else.

He reiterated this argument on his radio program today, adding that gay marriage is really “inequality under the law” because it grants to gay couples “a special carve-out for themselves that is not available to pedophiles and polygamists” and others who “engage in sexually abnormal behavior”:

52 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 1:34:27pm

re: #45 Dr Lizardo

I can imagine the look on their faces. Of course I also have fun with the fundy types when I tell them I converted to paganism even after being baptised and “saved” in a christian church. Heads get real ‘splody.

53 calochortus  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 1:35:33pm

re: #51 Kragar (Antichrist )

Fischer: Marriage Equality Is Really ‘Inequality Under the Law’

That’s silly. Heterosexuals could also marry someone of the same sex, so it would be non-discriminatory.

54 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 1:37:06pm
55 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 1:38:04pm

Fox News revives Black Panther conspiracy to smear Obama’s labor nominee

Thomas Perez, Assistant Attorney General for the Civil Rights Division, is likely going to face some jaw-droppingly dumb questions in the Senate if he is nominated to become President Barack Obama’s next labor secretary.

That’s because one of the conservative media’s favorite conspiracy theories is that the Obama Justice Department protected members of the New Black Panther Party in Philadelphia after they stood outside a polling place intimidating voters in 2008. Although there were no actual complaints of voter intimidation to begin with, Fox News and conservative media made it into their own version of a scandal in 2010.

That scandal was revived by Fox News on Monday in a discussion about the likelihood of Perez’s nomination — namely, why Republicans should worry about him.

56 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 1:38:57pm

re: #52 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

I can imagine the look on their faces. Of course I also have fun with the fundy types when I tell them I converted to paganism even after being baptised and “saved” in a christian church. Heads get real ‘splody.

Similar here. I was raised in the Methodist Church, and was baptized and all that jazz. For awhile, I was also attending the Buddhist Churches of America…..Jodo Shinshu Buddhism. Nice folks there…..too bad there aren’t any here in Europe.

57 Gus  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 1:39:13pm

re: #49 FemNaziBitch

I’d like to see the entire segment with him on the panel.

Celebrating civil rights milestones: Entertainer Bill Cosby, Birmingham Mayor and Miles College president on keeping the memories alive – Starting Point with Soledad O’Brien - CNN.com Blogs

Just another clip there. Longer.

58 klys  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 1:39:43pm

re: #29 FemNaziBitch

How is everyone this day?

It is done and I am now (unofficially) Dr. klys, Ph.D. in Geological and Environmental Sciences.

We are now breaking out the alcohol.

59 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 1:40:07pm

re: #56 Dr Lizardo

Methodist here as well. Probably the most boring of all the denominations.

60 allegro  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 1:40:40pm

re: #58 klys

It is done and I am now (unofficially) Dr. klys, Ph.D. in Geological and Environmental Sciences.

We are now breaking out the alcohol.

Congrats and well done!

61 A Mom Anon  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 1:40:47pm

re: #58 klys

Oh Wow. Many, many congratulations to you.

62 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 1:41:51pm

re: #59 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Methodist here as well. Probably the most boring of all the denominations.

LOL. Yeah, rather boring.

There’s a Unitarian Church here, much to my surprise. No mosques in my neck of the woods….the closest one being about 150 kilometers away.

63 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 1:42:17pm

re: #58 klys

Congratulations!

64 kirkspencer  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 1:42:42pm

re: #58 klys

It is done and I am now (unofficially) Dr. klys, Ph.D. in Geological and Environmental Sciences.

We are now breaking out the alcohol.

Good for you.

65 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 1:43:38pm

Tina Turner, 73, on the cover of Vogue.

How cool is that?

66 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 1:44:17pm

re: #57 Gus

Celebrating civil rights milestones: Entertainer Bill Cosby, Birmingham Mayor and Miles College president on keeping the memories alive - Starting Point with Soledad O’Brien - CNN.com Blogs

Just another clip there. Longer.

ahhh, I’m over on CNN trying to find any reference to Cosby …

67 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 1:44:48pm

re: #58 klys

It is done and I am now (unofficially) Dr. klys, Ph.D. in Geological and Environmental Sciences.

We are now breaking out the alcohol.

Well, Doctor, Congrats!

68 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 1:44:59pm

re: #58 klys

It is done and I am now (unofficially) Dr. klys, Ph.D. in Geological and Environmental Sciences.

We are now breaking out the alcohol.

Congrats doc. And yeah break out the alcohol, you’ve earned it.

70 Bulworth  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 1:45:37pm
He reiterated this argument on his radio program today, adding that gay marriage is really “inequality under the law” because it grants to gay couples “a special carve-out for themselves that is not available to pedophiles and polygamists” and others who “engage in sexually abnormal behavior”:

An interesting response to this PIB argument (polygamy, incest, beastiality) here (h/t Sullivan):

PIB Argument: The Logical Version

The logical version of the PIB argument, which is the one that philosophers usually favor, says that the argument for same-sex relationships makes an equally good case for PIB relationships. In effect, it claims that the pro-gay argument “proves too much”: if you accept it, you commit yourself to other, less palatable conclusions.

71 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 1:46:36pm

re: #58 klys

It is done and I am now (unofficially) Dr. klys, Ph.D. in Geological and Environmental Sciences.

We are now breaking out the alcohol.

Awesome. Congratulations Dr. klys

72 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 1:46:50pm

re: #59 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Methodist here as well. Probably the most boring of all the denominations.

Reform Judaism: Most. Boring. Religion. Ever. Episcopalians with gefilte fish (the gross kind in jars)

73 HappyWarrior  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 1:46:55pm

I’m only baptized Catholic but leave it to Jack Donaghy to explain it.
That’s not how it works, Tracy. Even though there is the whole confession thing, that’s no free pass, because there is a crushing guilt that comes with being a Catholic. Whether things are good or bad or you’re simply… eating tacos in the park, there is always the crushing guilt.

74 klys  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 1:47:35pm

The last two hours have consisted of lots of deep sighs and trying to process it all. I got maybe 2 hours of sleep last night (between the time shift and normally being up late and then the stress of going through the presentation in my head 47 times) and I’m sure it’ll hit at some point.

But thank you everyone so much for the congratulations. It’s been 6 long years of grad school. I am so glad it’s pretty much done.

75 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 1:48:29pm

re: #51 Kragar (Antichrist )

Fischer: Marriage Equality Is Really ‘Inequality Under the Law’

He reiterated this argument on his radio program today, adding that gay marriage is really “inequality under the law” because it grants to gay couples “a special carve-out for themselves that is not available to pedophiles and polygamists” and others who “engage in sexually abnormal behavior”:

Here he contradicts himself. If same-sex marriage is made legal, pedophiles and polygamists (and straights as well) will automatically have the same right to marry an adult of the same gender that gays will have.

76 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 1:48:46pm

re: #57 Gus

Celebrating civil rights milestones: Entertainer Bill Cosby, Birmingham Mayor and Miles College president on keeping the memories alive - Starting Point with Soledad O’Brien - CNN.com Blogs

Just another clip there. Longer.

I love Cosby, I really do. He’s smart as shit and not afraid to think or speak.

77 Gus  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 1:49:04pm

re: #66 FemNaziBitch

ahhh, I’m over on CNN trying to find any reference to Cosby …

Transcript here:

[Link: transcripts.cnn.com…]

Around the middle of the page where she begins with, “So it’s been 50 years since some of the most important moments from the civil rights movement happened in Birmingham, Alabama. Coming up next, Bill Cosby will joins us to explain why he is leading the charge to honor that history…”

78 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 1:49:30pm

re: #73 FriendsofHummus

I’m only baptized Catholic but leave it to Jack Donaghy to explain it.
That’s not how it works, Tracy. Even though there is the whole confession thing, that’s no free pass, because there is a crushing guilt that comes with being a Catholic. Whether things are good or bad or you’re simply… eating tacos in the park, there is always the crushing guilt.

ROTFLAMO.

Yes, yes, and Yes!

79 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 1:49:30pm

re: #73 FriendsofHummus

I’m only baptized Catholic but leave it to Jack Donaghy to explain it.
That’s not how it works, Tracy. Even though there is the whole confession thing, that’s no free pass, because there is a crushing guilt that comes with being a Catholic. Whether things are good or bad or you’re simply… eating tacos in the park, there is always the crushing guilt.

LOL. Good one. Especially the line about “…..simply…eating tacos in the park, there is always the crushing guilt.”

80 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 1:50:18pm

re: #74 klys

The last two hours have consisted of lots of deep sighs and trying to process it all. I got maybe 2 hours of sleep last night (between the time shift and normally being up late and then the stress of going through the presentation in my head 47 times) and I’m sure it’ll hit at some point.

But thank you everyone so much for the congratulations. It’s been 6 long years of grad school. I am so glad it’s pretty much done.

It’s a big deal, you get to revel in it!

81 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 1:50:20pm

Wingnuts are still Derping at #askFLOTUS

82 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 1:51:23pm

re: #79 Dr Lizardo

LOL. Good one. Especially the line about “…..simply…eating tacos in the park, there is always the crushing guilt.”

The best is when you’ve spent hard earned money and lots of horrible time in therapy coming to grips with the guilt and become guilt-free! Other Catholics look at you like you are some creature from the Blue Lagoon.

I swear, it’s fantastic!

83 Gus  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 1:52:55pm
84 Bulworth  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 1:52:55pm

re: #81 Vicious Babushka

Wingnuts are still Derping at #askFLOTUS

Obviously PBO planned the whole askFlotus thing to distract wingnuts from the creation of all the new DHS-tank guarded FEMA death panel trailer camps, to be filled by Tweeters responding badly to the Flotus. ///

85 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 1:53:07pm

re: #81 Vicious Babushka

Wingnuts are still Derping at #askFLOTUS

Too bad no one told them the #askFlotus hashtag was a Secret Service operation to build a priority watch list.

DOH!

86 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 1:53:11pm

re: #73 FriendsofHummus

Yeah, I firmly believe that one of the reasons why catholicism and the fundies bag on Pagans and other religions so much is because we don’t have that soul-crushing guilt thing going on. It’s like someone on weight watchers getting jealous of the person next to them eating a piece of triple layer chocolate cake. They want it, they feel guilty for wanting it, and are jealous that the other person doesn’t share in that guilt.

87 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 1:56:44pm

re: #82 FemNaziBitch

The best is when you’ve spent hard earned money and lots of horrible time in therapy coming to grips with the guilt and become guilt-free! Other Catholics look at you like you are some creature from the Blue Lagoon.

I swear, it’s fantastic!

I have to admit, that’s one I’ve never understood….the whole guilt thing.

I look at it this way. If a person does something that violates the code/precepts/dogma of their faith, apologize to the deity of your choice, and get over it. OK; maybe try not to do that again in the future - consider that self-improvement, if you will - but that’s that.

No point in a person continuously beating themselves up over something.

88 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 1:59:53pm

BREAKINGNEWSBREAKINGNEWSBREAKINGNEWSBREAKINGNEWS

Somebody called somebody a dick on Twitter!!!!!11111

Someone give me a pearl to clutch!

89 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 2:00:45pm

re: #87 Dr Lizardo

I have to admit, that’s one I’ve never understood….the whole guilt thing.

I look at it this way. If a person does something that violates the code/precepts/dogma of their faith, apologize to the deity of your choice, and get over it. OK; maybe try not to do that again in the future - consider that self-improvement, if you will - but that’s that.

No point in a person continuously beating themselves up over something.

Free Will, Original Sin, Conscious. It’s just a thing you absorb thru osmosis. I can’t explain it.

90 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 2:01:02pm

re: #88 Vicious Babushka

BREAKINGNEWSBREAKINGNEWSBREAKINGNEWSBREAKINGNEWS

Somebody called somebody a dick on Twitter!!!!!11111

Someone give me a pearl to clutch!

Your not?

:0

91 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 2:01:37pm

I never quite understood original sin:

“Bless me Father for I have sinned. I turned a badger into an accordion.”

92 makeitstop  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 2:02:29pm

re: #60 allegro

Congrats and well done!

Well done! Congratulations!

(Oops. Responded to Allegro instead of Klys. This is for you, Dr. Klys.)

93 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 2:02:41pm

If you eat meat on a Friday during lent while sitting in the back seat of your Dad’s car that you took without permission with your best friend’s girlfriend and take the Lord’s name in vain, how many Commandments have you broken?

94 Gus  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 2:03:33pm

re: #88 Vicious Babushka

BREAKINGNEWSBREAKINGNEWSBREAKINGNEWSBREAKINGNEWS

Somebody called somebody a dick on Twitter!!!!!11111

Someone give me a pearl to clutch!

Yeah. I’m still not falling for the propaganda about Venezuela.

95 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 2:04:57pm

re: #91 Kragar (Antichrist )

I never quite understood original sin:

“Bless me Father for I have sinned. I turned a badger into an accordion.”

Original Sin is the Augustinian way of saying we are not G-d. G-d is the only Perfect being. We are flawed, we will always be flawed and that’s the challenge of our lives, to try to use our Free Will and the gifts we have been given to overcome our flaws and be whatever G-d wants us to be.

Translated: Don’t drink and gamble your paycheck away on Friday—you have a family to provide for and tithing to make on Sunday.

96 Lidane  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 2:05:43pm

re: #58 klys

It is done and I am now (unofficially) Dr. klys, Ph.D. in Geological and Environmental Sciences.

We are now breaking out the alcohol.

Hooray! Go you. Well done!

Definitely break out the alcohol. You earned it.

97 makeitstop  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 2:07:25pm

re: #69 Gus

FARK.com: (7636655) Michelle Obama takes questions on Twitter. Benghazi Conservative victory

Best comment:


Why is that people accusing others of having a sense of entitlement think they shouldn’t have to pay taxes?

Farkers get it.

98 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 2:08:26pm

Anyone else having trouble with GOOGLE? Each time I try to access it my puter freezes up and I have to close Firefox (tried it via IE also)

99 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 2:12:15pm

re: #93 FemNaziBitch

If you eat meat on a Friday during lent while sitting in the back seat of your Dad’s car that you took without permission with your best friend’s girlfriend and take the Lord’s name in vain, how many Commandments have you broken?

All 3,212 of them.

100 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 2:12:44pm

Silence is Consent?

The Steubenville Defense Will Center on Date Rape Not Existing

direct link, also paged

101 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 2:14:17pm

re: #99 Dr Lizardo

All 3,212 of them.

Yeah, sinners are going to hell regardless!

:0

102 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 2:14:25pm

re: #98 sattv4u2

Anyone else having trouble with GOOGLE? Each time I try to access it my puter freezes up and I have to close Firefox (tried it via IE also)

The FBI is on to you.

103 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 2:15:13pm

re: #89 FemNaziBitch

Free Will, Original Sin, Conscious. It’s just a thing you absorb thru osmosis. I can’t explain it.

Oh you absorb it even better if you have a mother who believes in all of it. Believe me, the mother-in-law is very big on the catholic deal even though she doesn’t go to mass. It’s like it’s part of her DNA from her family. Thus I’ve had to work at deprogramming guilt out of my wife and have been pretty successful.

104 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 2:16:05pm

Zedushka went off to New York for our grandson’s Bar Mitzvah so I am at home all by myself.

Making lasagna for dinner.

I think I will clean out the hall closet, just to step closer to the spring cleaning goal.

Should I open a bottle of merlot?

105 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 2:17:21pm

re: #104 Vicious Babushka

Zedushka went off to New York for our grandson’s Bar Mitzvah so I am at home all by myself.

Making lasagna for dinner.

I think I will clean out the hall closet, just to step closer to the spring cleaning goal.

Should I open a bottle of merlot?

I think you should open the merlot and forget about the closet.

106 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 2:18:37pm

re: #103 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Oh you absorb it even better if you have a mother who believes in all of it. Believe me, the mother-in-law is very big on the catholic deal even though she doesn’t go to mass. It’s like it’s part of her DNA from her family. Thus I’ve had to work at deprogramming guilt out of my wife and have been pretty successful.

Honestly, I like being an Episcopalian at times like that. All the cool smells & bells, good music & none of the guilt trip.

107 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 2:18:38pm

re: #102 Vicious Babushka

The FBI is on to you.

Flanagan
Brannigan
and
Iskovitch

Great law outfit !!

108 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 2:19:32pm

re: #104 Vicious Babushka

Zedushka went off to New York for our grandson’s Bar Mitzvah so I am at home all by myself.

Making lasagna for dinner.

I think I will clean out the hall closet, just to step closer to the spring cleaning goal.

Should I open a bottle of merlot?

Open the wine & let the closet take care of itself?

109 klys  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 2:20:16pm

re: #104 Vicious Babushka

Zedushka went off to New York for our grandson’s Bar Mitzvah so I am at home all by myself.

Making lasagna for dinner.

I think I will clean out the hall closet, just to step closer to the spring cleaning goal.

Should I open a bottle of merlot?

I vote yes. Have a glass for me.

110 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 2:22:04pm

re: #2 Kragar (Antichrist )

Breitbart better be careful or they’ll blow their credibility.

/snicker

Wasn’t it just yesterday that Killgore Trout was arguing they still had some?

111 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 2:27:00pm

re: #110 Shvaughn

Wasn’t it just yesterday that Killgore Trout was arguing they still had some?

It was more of a “the nut-counterfeiting squirrel found an actual nut one time, so maybe they found another” assertion.

112 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 2:27:29pm

re: #111 The Ghost of a Flea

It was more of a “the nut-counterfeiting squirrel found an actual nut one time, so maybe they found another” assertion.

Oh, right, something about Wiener and his dick, right?

113 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 2:29:03pm

re: #95 FemNaziBitch

Original Sin is the Augustinian way of saying we are not G-d. G-d is the only Perfect being. We are flawed, we will always be flawed and that’s the challenge of our lives, to try to use our Free Will and the gifts we have been given to overcome our flaws and be whatever G-d wants us to be.

Translated: Don’t drink and gamble your paycheck away on Friday—you have a family to provide for and tithing to make on Sunday.

Islam has the same basic precept…….that only God is perfect, whereas man is flawed.

But there’s no doctrine of Original Sin. There is a fairly strong emphasis on predestination, in the sense that God knows all thing, past, present, and future.

The individual person, however, does not. So in other words, you’d better be on your toes.

114 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 2:29:05pm

This disconnect about what a rapist is is beginning to piss-me-off. Steubenville, OH for example.

Without the video, those young men would go on with their lives, be the college kid or co-worker no one would label as a rapist.

They, themselves would not think of themselves as rapists.

Just a stupid, silly thing they did when they were young and drunk.

The men defending them don’t think they are rapists —at least not outside the letter of the law.

Then the really, really good guys out there are on the defensive and feeling like they are being unjustly put under a microscope.

Even my good guy husband tells our son that a stiff prick has no conscious.

Sorry, I’m with those who say we need to educate men to not rape as well as educating women on how to defend themselves.

115 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 2:30:08pm

re: #113 Dr Lizardo

Islam has the same basic precept…….that only God is perfect, whereas man is flawed.

But there’s no doctrine of Original Sin. There is a fairly strong emphasis on predestination, in the sense that God knows all thing, past, present, and future.

The individual person, however, does not. So in other words, you’d better be on your toes.

predestination conflicts with the concept of Free Will —no?

I don’t believe in predestination, too many variables.

116 Lidane  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 2:33:15pm

Kim Dotcom from Megaupload is currently giving a Skype interview at SXSW right now and some of my friends are livetweeting it.

According to Kim, he won’t see the inside of an American prison, and if he wins his extradition case, he’ll sue the US government and the film companies and that he has safe harbor under the DMCA. Should be interesting to see how all that turns out.

117 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 2:33:31pm

But then, I really don’t believe in the accepted sky-alien version of G-d either.

118 engineer cat  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 2:36:26pm

re: #113 Dr Lizardo

But there’s no doctrine of Original Sin

original sin was invented by st augustine in the 4th century

the jehovah’s witnesses have rejected the doctrine since it is extra biblical

119 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 2:39:30pm

re: #118 engineer cat

original sin was invented by st augustine in the 4th century

the jehovah’s witnesses have rejected the doctrine since it is extra biblical

I reject Augustine entirely.

120 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 2:41:42pm

If she doesn’t jump into your arms saying “yes, Yes, YES!!!”

121 Gus  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 2:42:20pm
122 Lidane  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 2:42:40pm
123 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 2:45:01pm

re: #121 Gus

There is that new movie out. Something about “everyone at the table”. I can’t tell if the trailer is sensationalistic or not.

Bill Moyers featured it.

124 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 2:45:38pm

re: #115 FemNaziBitch

predestination conflicts with the concept of Free Will —no?

I don’t believe in predestination, too many variables.

I would say it depends.

God knows the outcome of all possible actions taken. Furthermore, God directs all affairs. The idea being, that if someone, anywhere in the world, breaks loose with a thunderous flatulence right now as you read this, God knew that was gonna happen.

It goes to the argument, does God know about all things, or does God cause all things to happen? In the aforementioned example, it would be God that caused that person to let one rip, if one is a believer in absolute predestination. I would imagine that a Supreme Being has better things to do than inflict gastrointestinal distress on people, but then again, maybe He’s so bored that He’s thinking…..”Heh. Check this out.”

I personally tend to parse it. I can accept the notion of a conciousness removed from the idea of time and space as we understand it…….for lack of a better term, I’ll use Arthur C. Clarke’s ‘Overmind’ from “Childhood’s End”. This Overmind knows all the potential outcomes of all possible actions taken anywhere in the vastness of the Universe. Sort of a Dr. Manhattan type.

Does the Overmind cause all things to happen? That’s debatable in my opinion. But then you’re getting into some heavy stuff that’s better left to philosophers and theologians to contemplate.

125 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 2:46:50pm

re: #124 Dr Lizardo

Naw, we are really just variables in an experiment devised by two little white mice …

126 engineer cat  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 2:51:32pm

re: #124 Dr Lizardo

I would say it depends.

God knows the outcome of all possible actions taken. Furthermore, God directs all affairs. The idea being, that if someone, anywhere in the world, breaks loose with a thunderous flatulence right now as you read this, God knew that was gonna happen.

It goes to the argument, does God know about all things, or does God cause all things to happen? In the aforementioned example, it would be God that caused that person to let one rip, if one is a believer in absolute predestination. I would imagine that a Supreme Being has better things to do than inflict gastrointestinal distress on people, but then again, maybe He’s so bored that He’s thinking…..”Heh. Check this out.”

I personally tend to parse it. I can accept the notion of a conciousness removed from the idea of time and space as we understand it…….for lack of a better term, I’ll use Arthur C. Clarke’s ‘Overmind’ from “Childhood’s End”. This Overmind knows all the potential outcomes of all possible actions taken anywhere in the vastness of the Universe. Sort of a Dr. Manhattan type.

Does the Overmind cause all things to happen? That’s debatable in my opinion. But then you’re getting into some heavy stuff that’s better left to philosophers and theologians to contemplate.

medieval christianity had a clearer idea of it. if you read langland’s ‘piers plowman’, a major classic of 14th century england, and more popular than his contemporary chaucer at the time, he talks of earthly existence as the ‘valley of soul making’

that is, in this earthly life god grants you the free will to make the choices that will save you or damn you. without the freedom to make choices, how then could god judge the quality of your soul?

127 Eventual Carrion  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 2:55:29pm

re: #4 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Le Sigh

Voucher school history book: Hippies didn’t bathe, worshipped Satan

*facepalm*

Worship, that is such a strong word. Yeah we hung out every once in a while, but worship, nah. Ahhh, time to go roll in the mud before moe hits the stage.

//

128 engineer cat  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 2:57:50pm

re: #126 engineer cat

p.s., be forewarned! this is what happens when a jewish atheist has to pass ‘doctrines of the modern episcopal church’ to graduate high school, and then takes two semesters of ‘medieval literature’ in college…

129 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 2:58:00pm

re: #126 engineer cat

medieval christianity had a clearer idea of it. if you read langland’s ‘piers plowman’, a major classic of 14th century england, and more popular than his contemporary chaucer at the time, he talks of earthly existence as the ‘valley of soul making’

that is, in this earthly life god grants you the free will to make the choices that will save you or damn you. without the freedom to make choices, how then could god judge the quality of your soul?

What you’ve described is very close to the Islamic doctrine which says that the dunya (life of this world) is but a test in which Allah determines whether a believer is worthy of admission to Paradise, or ends up in a distinctly uncomfortable place. Perhaps the difference being that God already knows the answer to that question. The individual, however, doesn’t.

And I have to say, the vision of Hell as presented in the Qur’an is pretty damned vivid. Fire, and your skin burning off and drinking liqufied feces and all that not-so-fun stuff.

130 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 2:58:37pm

re: #126 engineer cat

medieval christianity had a clearer idea of it. if you read langland’s ‘piers plowman’, a major classic of 14th century england, and more popular than his contemporary chaucer at the time, he talks of earthly existence as the ‘valley of soul making’

that is, in this earthly life god grants you the free will to make the choices that will save you or damn you. without the freedom to make choices, how then could god judge the quality of your soul?

I’m just not that egotistic. I don’t think we really matter that much. To have a whole cosmic system of justice devised just for us? I don’t buy it.

131 engineer cat  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 3:01:11pm

re: #130 FemNaziBitch

I’m just not that egotistic. I don’t think we really matter that much. To have a whole cosmic system of justice devised just for us? I don’t buy it.

well, as for me, i’m an atheist

i like what sartre said about it being our challenge to live a moral life in a meaningless universe

132 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 3:01:40pm

Say did any Lizards in the Southern California area just feel an earthquake? I just saw an earthquake report come across the wire from the USGS.

133 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 3:03:32pm

re: #131 engineer cat

well, as for me, i’m an atheist

i like what sartre said about it being our challenge to live a moral life in a meaningless universe

The stories are useful if one doesn’t get carried away into Whackoism.

I find myself being greatful I learned them as a child. They do help me get thru the day sometimes, but I have no allusions they are anything but stories.

134 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 3:04:19pm

later all!

135 Lidane  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 3:07:01pm

Heh.

136 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 3:07:44pm

re: #132 Dr Lizardo

Say did any Lizards in the Southern California area just feel an earthquake? I just saw an earthquake report come across the wire from the USGS.

Apparently it was near Palm Desert earlier today.

137 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 3:09:49pm

re: #132 Dr Lizardo

Say did any Lizards in the Southern California area just feel an earthquake? I just saw an earthquake report come across the wire from the USGS.

Felt it here, it was a roller not a jolter.

138 Gus  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 3:10:07pm
139 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 3:12:07pm

re: #136 Charles Johnson

#137


OK. I just saw it when I poking around. I grew up in the L.A. area, so just wondering if anyone felt anything.

140 Lidane  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 3:14:59pm

OUTRAGE!

141 Gus  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 3:17:55pm

The askFLOTUS Benghazi Collection

Stupid Storify. Sent out a bunch of Tweets to these people as mentions. Grrrr. Unpublished.

142 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 3:18:23pm

re: #140 Lidane

OUTRAGE!

Well then, I got my product with that in mind, I guess. It’s a moisturizing face cream.

It’s certified vegan. And halal. Which is a little strange……I never thought that porcine products ended up in face cream, of all things. But it’s got aloe vera, which I’ve found useful.

I’ll give it a try - see how it works. I have a mild touch of rosacea.

143 Gus  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 3:18:40pm

The queen bee…

6 month anniversary? Huh? What about the 5 month anniversary? Jesus H Christ.

144 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 3:19:24pm

Scheduled posting for LGF Pages is now debugged and functioning smoothly. New version of the LGF Pages posting window coming soon.

The new version also lets you easily sign in to Twitter (if you aren’t already) so that an automatic tweet goes out when you post a Page.

And it has a way for you to edit the text that will be used for the tweet, so it can be different from the title of your Page.

If you installed the bookmarklet, you’ll have to delete the current one and then re-install the new one; had to make some changes to the size of the popup window and other things.

I’ll post a front page article about it when it’s ready to go.

145 Local Media Monitor  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 3:19:59pm

Actually, Krugman wasn’t Breitbarted—Breitbart was Krugmanned.

146 engineer cat  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 3:20:49pm

re: #129 Dr Lizardo

What you’ve described is very close to the Islamic doctrine which says that the dunya (life of this world) is but a test in which Allah determines whether a believer is worthy of admission to Paradise, or ends up in a distinctly uncomfortable place. Perhaps the difference being that God already knows the answer to that question. The individual, however, doesn’t.

And I have to say, the vision of Hell as presented in the Qur’an is pretty damned vivid. Fire, and your skin burning off and drinking liqufied feces and all that not-so-fun stuff.

it’s an idea that goes back to new kingdom egypt where your heart was weighed against a feather in the afterlife

147 Local Media Monitor  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 3:21:05pm

re: #139 Dr Lizardo

One shake, one window rattle and no roll here in SD

148 b_sharp  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 3:22:07pm

re: #139 Dr Lizardo

#137

OK. I just saw it when I poking around. I grew up in the L.A. area, so just wondering if anyone felt anything.

Last night my wife felt the earth move.
I apologized and blamed the cabbage roles.

149 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 3:23:34pm

re: #137 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Felt it here, it was a roller not a jolter.

I didn’t notice it where I am in so Cal.

150 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 3:23:42pm

re: #146 engineer cat

it’s an idea that goes back to new kingdom egypt where your heart was weighed against a feather in the afterlife

Very true.

I’ve always enjoyed reading of the various conceptions of the afterlife from every culture/religion/philosophy. It’s endlessly fascinating.

151 engineer cat  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 3:24:41pm

what’s all this i hear about the cardinals meeting in the sweet sixteen chapel?

152 Gus  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 3:25:25pm

re: #141 Gus

The askFLOTUS Benghazi Collection

Stupid Storify. Sent out a bunch of Tweets to these people as mentions. Grrrr. Unpublished.

Grrr.

153 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 3:28:20pm

re: #151 engineer cat

what’s all this i hear about the cardinals meeting in the sweet sixteen chapel?

Sixteen? Thats too old for them.

154 Gus  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 3:28:39pm
155 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 3:31:50pm

re: #58 klys

It is done and I am now (unofficially) Dr. klys, Ph.D. in Geological and Environmental Sciences.

We are now breaking out the alcohol.

Congratulations. Could you take a look at this rough spot behind my elbow?

156 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 3:33:20pm

Jim Hoft crows about his “Accuracy in Media” award, but…

Catherine Herridge, Jim Hoft to Receive Reed Irvine Accuracy in Media Awards at CPAC 2013 | the Gateway Pundit

With all due respect, “accuracy” and “Jim Hoft” are not two things I would normally associate.

If they were giving an award for “tenacity in service of the conservative cause”, “sensational but misleading headlines” or “occasionally reposting unsourced Internet drivel without fact-checking”, I would award that to Jim.

Accuracy? Only a majority of the time, and much of that by technicality, minus the misleading headlines.

157 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 3:33:58pm

Derp

Youtube Video
158 Gus  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 3:34:09pm

DID YOU KNOW THAT TODAY IS THE 6 MONTH ANNIVERSARY OF THE BENGHAZI ATTACK!! NEXT MONTH, ON THE 11TH, IT WILL BE THE 7 ANNIVERSARY OF THE ATTACK!!11TY

159 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 3:35:19pm

re: #158 Gus

DID YOU KNOW THAT TODAY IS THE 6 MONTH ANNIVERSARY OF THE BENGHAZI ATTACK!! NEXT MONTH, ON THE 11TH, IT WILL BE THE 7 ANNIVERSARY OF THE ATTACK!!11TY

DO YOU REALIZE WHAT THIS MEANS?

160 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 3:35:33pm

re: #158 Gus

DID YOU KNOW THAT TODAY IS THE 6 MONTH ANNIVERSARY OF THE BENGHAZI ATTACK!! NEXT MONTH, ON THE 11TH, IT WILL BE THE 7 ANNIVERSARY OF THE ATTACK!!11TY

Thanks. Now I have a mental image of Mel Gibson as William Wallace shouting, “BENGHAAAZI !!!”

161 CuriousLurker  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 3:36:15pm

re: #58 klys

It is done and I am now (unofficially) Dr. klys, Ph.D. in Geological and Environmental Sciences.

We are now breaking out the alcohol.

Congrats—as VP Biden would say, “This is a BIG fucking deal!” ;o)

162 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 3:36:23pm

re: #155 Decatur Deb

Congratulations. Could you take a look at this rough spot behind my elbow?

Sorry. I didn’t mean to be standing behind your arm!!
/

163 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 3:38:22pm

FPM undercover investigation of MSA finds nothing, which proves the Muslim Brotherhood is involved

Intrepid FrontPageMag reporter Mark Tapson didn’t quite find what he was looking for when he infiltrated the Muslim Student Association’s annual West Coast conference last month…but, he alleges, that’s just more proof of a secret Muslim Brotherhood plot to “radicalize” college students.

Tapson told Janet Mefferd in a radio interview Friday that far from finding anything “radical” or “damning” at the conference, “it was largely very innocuous.” He had high hopes for a workshop called “Islamatics,” for instance, but found that it was just about Islam and American politics. He even took pains to register for the conference under a “variation” of his name, only to be admitted with no questions asked.

But Tapson has a theory about why the MSA’s conference was so “innocuous.” It’s all part of Muslim Brotherhood plan, he tells Mefferd, to capture “the hearts and minds of the young.” This campus organizing and community-building, he says, “radicalizes them and it steers them toward further radicalization down the line.”

164 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 3:40:31pm

Tenn. Legislator Seeks To Make It A Crime To Protest Church-State Violations

Consider Tennessee. There, state Sen. Randy McNally has introduced SB 965, which attempts to address the issue of prayers before meetings of local government bodies.

McNally’s bill, scheduled for a hearing in the Senate Judiciary Committee tomorrow, purports to afford local governments “an opportunity to implement a written policy governing invocation practices before a lawsuit is filed on establishment clause grounds.…”

That may sound harmless. After all, who can be against a written policy?

But what McNally is really trying to do is set up a series of hurdles so complex, formidable and intimidating that no one in his or her right mind would even think about filing a church-state lawsuit.

In a torrent of legalese, McNally would require citizens who are interested in filing a church-state lawsuit to enter in a cumbersome and time-consuming back-and-forth dialogue with local officials prior to going to court. If they fail to do that, their lawsuit would be automatically dismissed.

165 CuriousLurker  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 3:41:24pm

re: #163 Kragar (Antichrist )

FPM undercover investigation of MSA finds nothing, which proves the Muslim Brotherhood is involved

Yeah, we’re tricksy like that. *sigh*

166 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 3:41:39pm

re: #163 Kragar (Antichrist )

FPM undercover investigation of MSA finds nothing, which proves the Muslim Brotherhood is involved

In other words, the absence of evidence is proof of a wider conspiracy.

The stupid knows no bounds!

167 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 3:43:07pm

re: #165 CuriousLurker

Yeah, we’re tricksy like that. *sigh*

Yes….we are. We’re masters at covering our tracks.

I mean, how many people out there would really know that we pay the salaries of people like Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, Geller, etc?

Ooops…..damn. Gotta remember that whole “internal monologue” thing. Well, cat’s outta the bag now!!

168 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 3:43:17pm

re: #143 Gus

The queen bee…

6 month anniversary? Huh? What about the 5 month anniversary? Jesus H Christ.

Who T F observes a “6 month” anniversary of anything?

169 Gus  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 3:43:47pm

re: #159 Kragar (Antichrist )

DO YOU REALIZE WHAT THIS MEANS?

WHY HASN’T ANYONE MENTIONED THAT TODAY IS THE 11 YEAR AND 6 MONTH ANNIVERSARY OF, ZOMG!, 9/11!

170 Gus  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 3:45:09pm

re: #168 Vicious Babushka

Who T F observes a “6 month” anniversary of anything?

I have no idea. Why not observe the 5 month anniversary?

171 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 3:45:42pm

re: #164 Kragar (Antichrist )

Tenn. Legislator Seeks To Make It A Crime To Protest Church-State Violations

Ugh, what a horrid waste of time and energy.

172 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 3:46:02pm

re: #168 Vicious Babushka

Who T F observes a “6 month” anniversary of anything?

15 year olds?

173 CuriousLurker  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 3:46:51pm

re: #167 Dr Lizardo

Yes….we are. We’re masters at covering our tracks.

I mean, how many people out there would really know that we pay the salaries of people like Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, Geller, etc?

Ooops…..damn. Gotta remember that whole “internal monologue” thing. Well, cat’s outta the bag now!!

Yeah, freaking Norquist has been angling for a raise ever since he got Geller & Spencer booted out of CPAC. I suppose he’s earned it…

174 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 3:47:08pm

DERP. Wingnuts who are at dialed up to #11 rage all the fucking time would not notice the hate and rage.

175 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 3:47:44pm

re: #168 Vicious Babushka

Who T F observes a “6 month” anniversary of anything?

Emotionally immature teenagers.

RWNJ’s.

That’s all.

176 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 3:48:54pm

re: #173 CuriousLurker

Yeah, freaking Norquist has been angling for a raise ever since he got Geller & Spencer booted out of CPAC. I suppose he’s earned it…

Oh, I’d say so! Maybe we can make him the Caliph of North Dakota once The Plan comes to fruition.

177 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 3:49:08pm

re: #169 Gus

WHY HASN’T ANYONE MENTIONED THAT TODAY IS THE 11 YEAR AND 6 MONTH ANNIVERSARY OF, ZOMG!, 9/11!

DON’T YOU KNOW THAT BENGHAZI WAS WORSE THAN 9/11 WORSE THAN THE HOLOCAUST WORSER THAN THE WORST THING THAT WAS EVER WORSE THAN ANYTHING!!!!1111111BECAUSE OBAMA111!!!!!!!!!!!TY

178 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 3:49:23pm

re: #168 Vicious Babushka

Who T F observes a “6 month” anniversary of anything?

my wife

as well as 1 month and 3 months. After the 6th month, it’s yearly

179 CuriousLurker  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 3:49:59pm

re: #164 Kragar (Antichrist )

Tenn. Legislator Seeks To Make It A Crime To Protest Church-State Violations

Wait, aren’t the wingnuts always screaming about the First Amendment?

180 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 3:50:24pm

More from Hoft’s Hole:

BlueStateRepub • 6 hours ago


Congrats, Jim!
Jazzy McPonytail has got to be stewing in his Cheetos about now.



[…]


Baconbits R. Good • 6 hours ago

But, but, but… What about Charles Johnson over at Lizardick Gangrenous Fellatio, won’t he and the Kos Kids be angry?
Congrats Jim! Keep up the great work.

Angry? Not a bit. Amused, actually! Don’t ever change, wingnuts.

181 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 3:50:32pm

re: #175 Dr Lizardo

Emotionally immature teenagers.

RWNJ’s.

That’s all.

See 178

my wife is neither of those
She is a caring sentimentalist though!

182 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 3:50:41pm

re: #174 Vicious Babushka

DERP. Wingnuts who are at dialed up to #11 rage all the fucking time would not notice the hate and rage.

Honest questions about the FLOTUS being ugly, fat, stupid, and not an American?

Honest questions.

I think something in my brain just broke.

183 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 3:50:53pm

So what are your plans for June 25, the 6-months Christmas? And how come we don’t get the day off?

184 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 3:51:04pm

re: #179 CuriousLurker

Wait, aren’t the wingnuts always screaming about the First Amendment?

They think it reads: “Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion (except Christianity)”

185 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 3:52:07pm

re: #182 The Ghost of a Flea

Honest questions about the FLOTUS being ugly, fat, stupid, and not an American?

Honest questions.

I think something in my brain just broke.

Besides those are totally not QUESTIONS. They aren’t ASKING if the FLOTUS is ugly, fat, stupid and a BENGHAZI KILLER they are SAYING she is.

186 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 3:52:28pm

re: #184 Eclectic Cyborg

They think it reads: “Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion (except Christianity)”

Because SHARIA!!!!111!!!!!!!!

187 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 3:52:33pm

re: #180 Charles Johnson

More from Hoft’s Hole:

Angry? Not a bit. Amused, actually! Don’t ever change, wingnuts.

Jazzy McPonytail?
How clever!
/

188 Gus  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 3:52:39pm

re: #180 Charles Johnson

More from Hoft’s Hole:

Angry? Not a bit. Amused, actually! Don’t ever change, wingnuts.

I’m not angry either. Frankly, I think it’s pretty funny. Also very telling of the crackpots that run AIM and CPAC. If anything, this award is a useful illustration of their nuttery. So quite the opposite. Thanks AIM!

189 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 3:52:42pm

re: #179 CuriousLurker

Wait, aren’t the wingnuts always screaming about the First Amendment?

It’s the creeping Shari’a!!

Or at least, the Christian fundie version of it.

190 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 3:53:26pm

re: #188 Gus

I’m not angry either. Frankly, I think it’s pretty funny. Also very telling of the crackpots that run AIM and CPAC. If anything, this award is a useful illustration of their nuttery. So quite the opposite. Thanks AIM!

I will call you Gussy McAirplane.
;)

191 CuriousLurker  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 3:54:14pm

re: #181 sattv4u2

See 178

my wife is neither of those
She is a caring sentimentalist though!

I’m gonna stick my neck out and guess that’s NOT what’s motivating Malkin in this case. //

192 Lidane  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 3:55:43pm

*headdesk*

No sex ed and no birth control? Yeah, that’s a bright idea:

Anti-Sex Ed and Anti-Birth Control Bills on the Move in the Texas Legislature

What right wing war on women?

193 Gus  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 3:55:57pm

re: #186 Vicious Babushka

Because SHARIA!!!!111!!!!!!!!

SHARIA HAZ TAKIN OVER TEH UNITED STATE BECAUSE OBAMA!

194 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 3:56:05pm

re: #180 Charles Johnson

Lizardick Gangrenous Fellatio

So “Little Green Footballs” is, like, a euphemism then?

195 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 3:57:04pm

re: #194 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

So “Little Green Footballs” is, like, a euphemism then?

Welcome to Middle School Insults 101.

196 Gus  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 3:57:28pm

14 MORE DAYS UNTIL THE 3 MONTH ANNIVERSARY OF CHRISTMAS DAY! WILL THE ATHEIST-MUSLIM OBAMA’S NOTICE? I DON’T THINK SO!

197 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 3:58:56pm

re: #180 Charles Johnson

More from Hoft’s Hole:

Angry? Not a bit. Amused, actually! Don’t ever change, wingnuts.

A farce of a news source that constantly fakes stuff being rewarded by a group that exists to fabricate hit pieces while applauded by a cadre of supporters demonstrably uninterested in “accuracy.”

It’s George Orwell, Berthold Brecht, and P G Wodehouse had a baby and named it This Exact Scenario.

198 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 4:01:22pm

re: #191 CuriousLurker

I’m gonna stick my neck out and guess that’s NOT what’s motivating Malkin in this case. //

Prolly, but the question posed was
“Who T F observes a “6 month” anniversary of anything?”

As stated, my wife does,,, often!

199 Gus  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 4:02:58pm

re: #198 sattv4u2

Prolly, but the question posed was
“Who T F observes a “6 month” anniversary of anything?”

As stated, my wife does,,, often!

I’ve seen that with personal matters. “It’s been 6 months since so and so _____ .” It’s not typical for international events, historical events, etc. Those are annual.

200 Gus  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 4:03:17pm

As in, “one year ago today…”

201 Gus  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 4:03:35pm

We don’t have programs saying, “six months ago today!”

202 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 4:04:37pm

re: #200 Gus

As in, “one year ago today…”

For the most part, yes
But often in the 1st year, the week/ month/ 3 months (not sure why)/ 6 months are mentioned then after it hits 1 year, it becomes annual

203 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 4:04:52pm

One year ago today was the one year anniversary of two years ago today…

204 Lidane  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 4:06:26pm

re: #168 Vicious Babushka

Who T F observes a “6 month” anniversary of anything?

The only people I’ve ever met who do that are either recovering addicts in their first year of sobriety or teenage girls who are thrilled to have a boyfriend.

205 makeitstop  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 4:07:02pm

re: #204 Lidane

The only people I’ve ever met who do that are either recovering addicts in their first year of sobriety or teenage girls who are thrilled to have a boyfriend.

Or wingnuts who want to get all raged up about something.

206 engineer cat  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 4:08:53pm

“6 month” anniversary of

now i want cake

207 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 4:09:27pm

re: #206 engineer cat

“6 month” anniversary of

now i want cake

And presents.

208 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 4:09:32pm

re: #206 engineer cat

“6 month” anniversary of

now i want cake

Angel, Pound or Devil’s Food?

209 Lidane  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 4:10:21pm

re: #208 Eclectic Cyborg

Angel, Pound or Devil’s Food?

Duh. Red Velvet, of course. ;)

210 engineer cat  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 4:12:28pm

re: #208 Eclectic Cyborg

Angel, Pound or Devil’s Food?

i want some logical paradox flavored pineapple upside down universe cake

211 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 4:12:33pm

re: #208 Eclectic Cyborg

Angel, Pound or Devil’s Food?

yes

212 Lidane  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 4:12:43pm

Heh:

Mark Kelly Brushes Off Breitbart Report: Who? (VIDEO)

On Friday, Kelly revealed on his Facebook page that he bought a used AR-15 at a Tucson, Ariz. gun store in an effort to illustrate the uninvasive nature of background checks. In the post, which included a picture of Kelly filling out a background check form, he said that he intended to submit the weapon to the Tucson police department. A story published Saturday by Breitbart suggested that the Facebook post appeared days after Kelly made the purchase. According to the report, Breitbart received a tip from pro-gun activist Neil McCabe regarding the purchase and was on the verge of breaking the news when Kelly’s Facebook post “suddenly” surfaced.

Appearing on CNN Monday, Kelly sought to rebut those claims while indicating that he’s not all that familiar with the conservative online empire, founded by the late right-wing firebrand Andrew Breitbart.

“Well, I don’t know anything about who Breitbart is or anything about his website,” Kelly told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer. The leading gun control advocate then insisted that the purchase of the AR-15 and the timing of the subsequent Facebook post was all part of a plan.

213 CuriousLurker  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 4:12:43pm

re: #201 Gus

We don’t have programs saying, “six months ago today!”

Just checked Malkin’s site. The current lead story on her front page is:

Attention, parents: Common Core opt-out form now available
By Michelle Malkin • March 11, 2013 09:11 AM

The other posts for March 11 are:

NY judge halts Bloomberg sugary soda ban
By Doug Powers • March 11, 2013 04:24 PM

Supernanny smackdown
Detroit explained, part XXXIV: Former mayor convicted on 24 charges of corruption
By Doug Powers • March 11, 2013 03:22 PM

20 years possible
New Yorkers soak up final day of sweet Big Gulp freedom
By Doug Powers • March 11, 2013 11:28 AM

“Portion control”
Attention, parents: Common Core opt-out form now available
By Michelle Malkin • March 11, 2013 09:11 AM

Funny, not a single mention of that oh-so-important 6-month Benghazi anniversary she’s whining about. //

214 Gus  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 4:17:41pm

re: #213 CuriousLurker

Just checked Malkin’s site. The current lead story on her front page is:

The other posts for March 11 are:

Funny, not a single mention of that oh-so-important 6-month Benghazi anniversary she’s whining about. //

I’m pretty sure Ronald Reagan was doing something else on April 23, 1984.

215 Gus  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 4:19:34pm

Don’t forget. May 14th will be the 6 month anniversary of the start of Operation Pillar of Defense.

216 Beauzeaux  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 4:22:16pm

I lived on Haight Street between Ashbury & Clayton in San Francisco from 1965 to 1969. So I have original hippie cred. I have to say that non-bathing in those days would definitely cut into your chances of getting laid. Something just about all of us were interested in — as often as possible.

Also, about the satan-worship: One of the nice things about not believing in gods is that you don’t believe in devils either.

218 Gus  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 4:24:19pm


219 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 4:25:01pm

re: #216 Beauzeaux

I lived on Haight Street between Ashbury & Clayton in San Francisco from 1965 to 1969. So I have original hippie cred. I have to say that non-bathing in those days would definitely cut into your chances of getting laid. Something just about all of us were interested in — as often as possible.

Also, about the satan-worship: One of the nice things about not believing in gods is that you don’t believe in devils either.

Oh, the things you must’ve seen! I wasn’t born until 1969, so I missed out on that whole era.

220 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 4:25:01pm

re: #217 Gus

No results found for 1983 Beirut barracks bombing “6 month anniversary” “April 23, 1984”.

I’ll wager the families of the dead observed it!

221 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 4:25:23pm

2 years ago today;
Great East Japan Earthquake.

222 Gus  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 4:25:39pm

re: #220 sattv4u2

I’ll wager the families of the dead observed it!

Maybe.

223 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 4:26:58pm

re: #222 Gus

Maybe.

maybe???

My son/ daughter/ husband/ wife gets killed,,, and “maybe” I observe 1 week/ 1 month/ 6 months after,,, MAYBE !?!?

{sigh}

Laterz!!!

224 Gus  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 4:27:28pm

re: #223 sattv4u2

maybe???

My son/ daughter/ husband/ wife gets killed,,, and “maybe” I observe 1 week/ month/ 6 months after,,, MAYBE !?!?

{sigh}

Laterz!!!

What are you getting so worked up about.

225 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 4:29:25pm

re: #168 Vicious Babushka

Who T F observes a “6 month” anniversary of anything?

Kardashian brides.

226 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 4:29:32pm

Let’s just quietly contemplate the gulf between private observance of grief as time passes, public observance of grief as time passes, and cynical fuckers riding corpses for six whole months because Important Black Guy Blaming Reasons.

227 CuriousLurker  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 4:32:29pm

*blinks* Well, that was… an odd interlude.

228 Beauzeaux  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 4:32:35pm

re: #58 klys

It is done and I am now (unofficially) Dr. klys, Ph.D. in Geological and Environmental Sciences.

We are now breaking out the alcohol.

Fantastic. It will take a while to decompress.

229 engineer cat  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 4:32:39pm

re: #216 Beauzeaux

I lived on Haight Street between Ashbury & Clayton in San Francisco from 1965 to 1969. So I have original hippie cred. I have to say that non-bathing in those days would definitely cut into your chances of getting laid. Something just about all of us were interested in — as often as possible.

Also, about the satan-worship: One of the nice things about not believing in gods is that you don’t believe in devils either.

to really appreciate the meaning of hippies, one would have to have been around to experience the mad men world that existed before hippies

our parents wanted us to wear ties and suits on dates, keep our hair properly parted and kept off of our foreheads with vitalis, listen to ‘adult’ music like perry como or frank sinatra, and cultivate a properly deferential and fatalistic attitude about the world of gainful employment

deviance from these behaviors would surely spell doom for our worldly prospects and guarantee the life of a despised outcast from society

whenever i went on a date in 1969, my father felt compelled to tell me that i “looked like a bum”. (we didn’t call them ‘homeless people’ in those days)

230 Gus  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 4:33:19pm

re: #226 The Ghost of a Flea

Let’s just quietly contemplate the gulf between private observance of grief as time passes, public observance of grief as time passes, and cynical fuckers riding corpses for six whole months because Important Black Guy Blaming Reasons.

Seriously. They’ve been using these deaths for political reasons for six months and suddenly they’re in need for smelling salts because the FLOTUS didn’t mention a 6 month anniversary?

231 CuriousLurker  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 4:33:20pm

re: #226 The Ghost of a Flea

Let’s just quietly contemplate the gulf between private observance of grief as time passes, public observance of grief as time passes, and cynical fuckers riding corpses for six whole months because Important Black Guy Blaming Reasons.

1000x THIS.

232 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 4:34:27pm

re: #229 engineer cat

to really appreciate the meaning of hippies, one would have to have been around to experience the mad men world that existed before hippies

our parents wanted us to wear ties and suits on dates, keep our hair properly parted and kept off of our foreheads with vitalis, listen to ‘adult’ music like perry como or frank sinatra, and cultivate a properly deferential and fatalistic attitude about the world of gainful employment

deviance from these behaviors would surely spell doom for our worldly prospects and guarantee the life of a despised outcast from society

whenever i went on a date in 1969, my father felt compelled to tell me that i “looked like a bum”. (we didn’t call them ‘homeless people’ in those days)

Sounds like the “good old days” a lot of the folks on the right want to go back to.

233 engineer cat  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 4:34:35pm

re: #229 engineer cat

shorter:

person in their 20s transported back to 1970: “so, uh, what’s different?”

person in their 20s transported back to 1963: “oooohhhh, now i get it”

234 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 4:35:35pm

re: #229 engineer cat

to really appreciate the meaning of hippies, one would have to have been around to experience the mad men world that existed before hippies

our parents wanted us to wear ties and suits on dates, keep our hair properly parted and kept off of our foreheads with vitalis, listen to ‘adult’ music like perry como or frank sinatra, and cultivate a properly deferential and fatalistic attitude about the world of gainful employment

deviance from these behaviors would surely spell doom for our worldly prospects and guarantee the life of a despised outcast from society

whenever i went on a date in 1969, my father felt compelled to tell me that i “looked like a bum”. (we didn’t call them ‘homeless people’ in those days)

Always had a low opinion of hippies, because I was just able to squeeze into the last coda of the ‘beatnik’ era. “Hippies” were weekenders from the Bronx who shattered the cool of The Village.

236 EPR-radar  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 4:37:36pm

re: #232 Dr Lizardo

Sounds like the “good old days” a lot of the folks on the right want to go back to.

I’ll wear a suit and tie to my own funeral, but not for work.

Happily, this nonsense of suit and tie being virtually required is ending pretty quickly.

237 Gus  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 4:40:03pm

“6 month anniversary” Benghazi site:.il

Nada. Clearly Israel hates America too. /

238 Beauzeaux  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 4:40:12pm

re: #219 Dr Lizardo

Oh, the things you must’ve seen! I wasn’t born until 1969, so I missed out on that whole era.

It was interesting and fun especially in the early years…but like most “eras”, it was not as exciting (or as stupid) as it’s portrayed in the movies. Meth came to the Haight in 1968 and it was downhill from there.

239 Gus  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 4:40:41pm

“6 month anniversary” Benghazi site:.ly

Nada.

240 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 4:41:22pm

re: #236 EPR-radar

I’ll wear a suit and tie to my own funeral, but not for work.

Happily, this nonsense of suit and tie being virtually required is ending pretty quickly.

True. But every so often, I enjoy puttin on the ritz.

Three-piece suit, tie, the Oxford shoes, the fedora.

Usually during the winter….I can also put on an overcoat and look like I just stepped out from 1933.

241 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 4:41:29pm

re: #218 Gus

“Your Honor … as you know, I’m not wild about having Jews on the jury in this case.”

There’s a lawyer who should be fired by his client.

242 engineer cat  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 4:41:36pm

re: #234 Decatur Deb

Always had a low opinion of hippies, because I was just able to squeeze into the last coda of the ‘beatnik’ era. “Hippies” were weekenders from the Bronx who shattered the cool of The Village.

yah, being a beatnik was definitely more exclusive and cooler than being a hippie. and there were other cultural distinctions:

beatnik - listens to modern jazz and likes abstract expressionist art
hippie - listens to “rock” (not “rock ‘n’ roll”) and likes art nouveau posters and tibetan mandalas

243 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 4:42:58pm

re: #238 Beauzeaux

It was interesting and fun especially in the early years…but like most “eras”, it was not as exciting (or as stupid) as it’s portrayed in the movies. Meth came to the Haight in 1968 and it was downhill from there.

I recall reading that about meth hitting the scene in ‘68, and it pretty much all went straight to hell after that.

That’d be around the time that old Charlie Manson was hanging around the Haight-Ashbury scene, wasn’t it? Or had he and his creepy cronies scurried off to the Spahn Movie Ranch by then?

244 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 4:43:30pm

re: #242 engineer cat

yah, being a beatnik was definitely more exclusive and cooler than being a hippie. and there were other cultural distinctions:

beatnik - listens to modern jazz and likes abstract expressionist art
hippie - listens to “rock” (not “rock ‘n’ roll”) and likes art nouveau posters and tibetan mandalas

Beatnik: Chess

Hippie: Frisbee

245 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 4:44:16pm

re: #235 Gus

Googling…

“6 month anniversary” Benghazi site:.com

Plenty. About 148,000 results. Looks like all wingnuts.

They’ve practically made it a holiday.

It’s like it’s their “independence day” because they think they finally got the ammo to take down the Black Man In The White House.

It’s sick.

246 CuriousLurker  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 4:45:21pm

re: #235 Gus

Googling…

Gus: “I’m warning you, don’t make me whip out my Google-fu!”

247 Gus  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 4:48:34pm

re: #246 CuriousLurker

Gus: “I’m warning you, don’t make me whip out my Google-fu!”

Ha. Good one. Did you make that?

248 EPR-radar  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 4:50:27pm

re: #245 Shvaughn

They’ve practically made it a holiday.

It’s like it’s their “independence day” because they think they finally got the ammo to take down the Black Man In The White House.

It’s sick.

The fact the the RW nut jobs take Benghazi so seriously still amazes me. It’s one thing for the rubes on the internet to go wild over it, another thing entirely for the Romney campaign to latch onto it the way they did (Romney’s presser, debate #2).

Is this evidence of a massive psychotic break from reality on the part of the entire right wing?

249 CuriousLurker  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 4:51:00pm

re: #247 Gus

Ha. Good one. Did you make that?

Nope, but I wish I had. It’s too cute!

250 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 4:51:23pm

re: #248 EPR-radar

Is this evidence of a massive psychotic break from reality on the part of the entire right wing?

I dunno, I think the Republican party had their psychotic break from reality back during the Clinton administration.

251 Gus  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 4:53:28pm

Image: FU_IM_A_CAT.jpg

Couldn’t pass that one up.

252 engineer cat  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 4:53:39pm

re: #244 Decatur Deb

Beatnik: Chess

Hippie: Frisbee

“man! i’ve got to get a new gig so i can make enough bread to keep my pad! you need to have your own pad if you want to make it with cook chicks - can you dig it?”

253 EPR-radar  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 4:55:05pm

re: #250 Shvaughn

I dunno, I think the Republican party had their psychotic break from reality back during the Clinton administration.

Vince Foster and assorted other fever dreams from the Clinton years do have a familiar feel.

What was it about Clinton that outraged the RW so? It’s not like he was a hard core liberal, especially after his attempt to do the right thing with gays in the military was crapped on by senior Democrats in Congress.

254 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 4:57:02pm

re: #253 EPR-radar

What was it about Clinton that outraged the RW so?

Several things: blacks liked him, he was from the South (and thus introduced fractures in their Southern Strategy), he was personable, he was from humble roots, and he had a wife who was an equal partner not window dressing?

255 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 4:57:56pm

re: #252 engineer cat

“man! i’ve got to get a new gig so i can make enough bread to keep my pad! you need to have your own pad if you want to make it with cook chicks - can you dig it?”

Beatnik: Tri-X pushed to 1200 ASA in D-76.

Hippie: Color Polaroid overdeveloped in jeans pocket.

256 Beauzeaux  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 4:58:08pm

re: #229 engineer cat

to really appreciate the meaning of hippies, one would have to have been around to experience the mad men world that existed before hippies …
deviance from these behaviors would surely spell doom for our worldly prospects and guarantee the life of a despised outcast from society

whenever i went on a date in 1969, my father felt compelled to tell me that i “looked like a bum”. (we didn’t call them ‘homeless people’ in those days)

Our parents were right.
When I was in high school 1955-1959, girls always wore skirts. Boys wore shirts with collars. Boys and girls both wore socks. Teachers were Mrs or Mr or Miss and we never imagined they had any existence outside school.
The world changes rapidly and not in predictable ways. I’ve read a lot of “What the World Will Be Like in X Years” stories. And they’re always wrong. (Or else everyone has a jetpack but me.)

Fortunately, it’s the duty of the old to be shocked and horrified (or pretend to be) at the goings on of these kidz these days. I’ll do my part.

257 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 5:01:29pm

re: #256 Beauzeaux

Our parents were right.
When I was in high school 1955-1959, girls always wore skirts. Boys wore shirts with collars. Boys and girls both wore socks. Teachers were Mrs or Mr or Miss and we never imagined they had any existence outside school.
The world changes rapidly and not in predictable ways. I’ve read a lot of “What the World Will Be Like in X Years” stories. And they’re always wrong. (Or else everyone has a jetpack but me.)

Fortunately, it’s the duty of the old to be shocked and horrified (or pretend to be) at the goings on of these kidz these days. I’ll do my part.

In 1960, MAD Magazine did a page on the beatnik’s kids going square, but producing a couple hep grand-beats.

258 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 5:01:44pm

Stuff I didn’t know about before: Tora Bora wasn’t really this vast supervillain underground complex:

Tora Bora was variously described by the western media to be an ‘impregnable cave fortress’ housing 2000 men complete with a hospital, a hydroelectric power plant, offices, a hotel, arms and ammunition stores, roads large enough to drive a tank into, and elaborate tunnel and ventilation systems.[3] Both the British and American press published elaborate plans of the base which was readily accepted by the public. When presented with such plans in an NBC interview, the United States Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld said “This is serious business, there’s not one of those, there are many of those”.[4][5][6]

When Tora Bora was eventually captured by the U.S. and Afghan troops, no traces of the supposed ‘fortress’ were found despite painstaking searches in the surrounding areas. Tora Bora turned out to be a system of small natural caves housing at most, 200 fighters. While arms and ammunition stores were found, there were no traces of the advanced facilities claimed to exist.[6][7]

259 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 5:03:04pm

re: #258 Shvaughn

Stuff I didn’t know about before: Tora Bora wasn’t really this vast supervillain underground complex:

Obviously it was a front for the Muslim Brotherhood to make us waste resources and hide the location of their real top secret super base.
///

260 CuriousLurker  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 5:03:04pm

ROFLOL:

261 Beauzeaux  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 5:04:36pm

re: #243 Dr Lizardo

I recall reading that about meth hitting the scene in ‘68, and it pretty much all went straight to hell after that.

That’d be around the time that old Charlie Manson was hanging around the Haight-Ashbury scene, wasn’t it? Or had he and his creepy cronies scurried off to the Spahn Movie Ranch by then?

When he was arrested I saw his pictures and it rang no bell. Don’t recall anyone life him either but let’s face it, it was
1. Almost 50 years ago.
2. I was stoned a good deal of the time then.
3. I am stoned now. (Live in beautiful British Columbia now.)

262 Gus  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 5:05:08pm

Hooza! 72F by Friday! Yes!

263 EPR-radar  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 5:05:28pm

re: #258 Shvaughn

Stuff I didn’t know about before: Tora Bora wasn’t really this vast supervillain underground complex:

Nice catch. Reminds me of the basic point that we ought to be running out of real Al Qaida targets some day.

264 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 5:06:49pm

re: #262 Gus

Hooza! 72F by Friday! Yes!

82 here this week.

265 Gus  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 5:07:55pm

re: #264 Shvaughn

82 here this week.

Heat wave!

266 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 5:07:59pm

Beatnik: BA in Lit from Columbia on the GI Bill.

Hippie: British Columbia to ditch the GI Bull.

267 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 5:08:31pm

re: #265 Gus

Heat wave!

GLOBAL WARMING IS A MYTH SHUT UP

268 EPR-radar  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 5:09:02pm

re: #254 Shvaughn

Several things: blacks liked him, he was from the South (and thus introduced fractures in their Southern Strategy), he was personable, he was from humble roots, and he had a wife who was an equal partner not window dressing?

Good, solid points. But a simpler theory is that the outrage is simply because Clinton won.

After Ronald Reagan, it seems that RW true believers find it impossible to believe that any national election victory by a Democrat is legitimate.

269 CuriousLurker  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 5:11:48pm

re: #262 Gus

Hooza! 72F by Friday! Yes!

re: #264 Shvaughn

82 here this week.

Heh, I took a taxi to run some errands this afternoon and the driver & I were commenting on how warm it was today and rolling down the windows. It was 54°.

Looks like tomorrow is supposed to be the week’s high at 55°.

I actually prefer cold weather. Or at least cool. Anything over 70, yuck. (Too many years spent sweltering in South Texas summers.)

270 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 5:12:20pm

re: #261 Beauzeaux

When he was arrested I saw his pictures and it rang no bell. Don’t recall anyone life him either but let’s face it, it was
1. Almost 50 years ago.
2. I was stoned a good deal of the time then.
3. I am stoned now. (Live in beautiful British Columbia now.)

LOL.

Manson has always held a certain morbid fascination for me as I was born around the time of the Tate-LaBianca murders (Helter Skelter) and my father knew the LaBianca family personally.

Individuals like Manson don’t turn up too often…..thankfully. Charismatic types that can really get people to commit acts of horrific violence, either to others or themselves: Jim Jones also springs to mind.

271 Gus  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 5:12:55pm

re: #266 Decatur Deb

Beatnik: BA in Lit from Columbia on the GI Bill.

Hippie: British Columbia to ditch the GI Bull.

Beatnik: Maynard G. Krebs

Hippie: Michael Stivic

272 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 5:13:03pm

re: #269 CuriousLurker

I actually prefer cold weather. Or at least cool. Anything over 70, yuck. (Too many years spent sweltering in South Texas summers.)

I’m from southern California. 54 sounds like horrible freezing torture to me.

273 Gus  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 5:13:51pm

The coldest winter I ever spent was a summer in San Francisco.

274 kirkspencer  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 5:13:54pm

re: #268 EPR-radar

Good, solid points. But a simpler theory is that the outrage is simply because Clinton won.

After Ronald Reagan, it seems that RW true believers find it impossible to believe that any national election victory by a Democrat is legitimate.

Actually, I think it’s the belief that Clinton didn’t really win - that he got it because the majority, true believers all, split between Bush and Perot. That made him an illegitimate president, who if honorable would have bowed to the will of the true majority of the people.

275 Gus  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 5:14:24pm

Not Mark Twain BTW.

276 dragonath  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 5:15:52pm

Looking at the 1980 exit polls, Reagan’s highest vote total seems to have come from that same 60s generation, or at least the one preceding it.

22–29 years old D43 R43
30–44 years old D37 R54*
45–59 years old D39 R55

*31 percent of the electorate

277 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 5:15:53pm

re: #261 Beauzeaux

When he was arrested I saw his pictures and it rang no bell. Don’t recall anyone life him either but let’s face it, it was
1. Almost 50 years ago.
2. I was stoned a good deal of the time then.
3. I am stoned now. (Live in beautiful British Columbia now.)

My #266 was written without seeing your #261. Like, synchronicity, man.

278 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 5:16:23pm

re: #276 dragonath

Looking at the 1980 exit polls, Reagan’s highest vote total seems to have come from that same 60s generation, or at least the one preceding it.

22-29 years old D43 R43
30-44 years old D37 R54
45-59 years old D39 R55

We were not of one mind.

279 CuriousLurker  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 5:18:55pm

re: #272 Shvaughn

I’m from southern California. 54 sounds like horrible freezing torture to me.

The first summer I lived on the East Coast and heard someone complain about 85° being unbearably hot I LOL and told them that temp would be considered a nice spring day in Texas. Hot is when the asphalt on the road goes soft under your feet and sitting down on a car seat made of vinyl or touching a steering wheel after the vehicle has been closed for several hours will leave you in serious pain.

280 CuriousLurker  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 5:20:26pm

re: #273 Gus

The coldest winter I ever spent was a summer in San Francisco.

Dude, seriously? Don’t you live in Colorado? I’ve been in the Silvetton/Ouray area about a week ahead of a blizzard in November—gorgeous winter wonderland, but BRRRRRR.

281 EPR-radar  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 5:23:31pm

re: #280 CuriousLurker

Dude, seriously? Don’t you live in Colorado? I’ve been in the Silvetton/Ouray area about a week ahead of a blizzard in November—gorgeous winter wonderland, but BRRRRRR.

In Colorado, people will dress appropriately for the weather.

San Francisco is tricky because it has a micro-climate that can easily make it 15-20 degrees colder than nearby locations.

282 CuriousLurker  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 5:24:45pm

re: #281 EPR-radar

In Colorado, people will dress appropriately for the weather.

San Francisco is tricky because it has a micro-climate that can easily make it 15-20 degrees colder than nearby locations.

Ah, okay. Never been to SF, but I hear it’s beautiful. Maybe someday….

283 Stanley Sea  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 5:25:23pm

re: #279 CuriousLurker

The first summer I lived on the East Coast and heard someone complain about 85° being unbearably hot I LOL and told them that temp would be considered a nice spring day in Texas. Hot is when the asphalt on the road goes soft under your feet and sitting down on a car seat made of vinyl or touching a car’s steering wheel after it’s been closed for several hours will leave you in serious pain.

I went back to Florida uh, 4 years ago? December. Brutal. I was sweating the whole time. Such a crazy memory that I actually grew up there, lived there & at one point wore business attire there.

Never could do it again over a week.

284 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 5:25:53pm

If anybody has a specific request for something in the LGF Pages posting window, now would be a good time to let me know while I have that project checked out.

285 Gus  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 5:26:12pm

re: #280 CuriousLurker

Dude, seriously? Don’t you live in Colorado? I’ve been in the Silvetton/Ouray area about a week ahead of a blizzard in November—gorgeous winter wonderland, but BRRRRRR.

We get freezing snaps in Denver but nothing like the Ouray area. When I first moved here I thought that winters were relatively warm often getting up the low 50s at times.

It’s up and down now. Summers, we’d always get a thunderstorm along with a shower. That was the 90s. Barely get those anymore. Then there were the winter snow storms with thunder and lightening.

South Jersey could have horrible summers. 90s and high humidity. Even at night when it would only reach a low of 70. Here, it’s dry and in the evening it can go down in the 50s after a 90ish degrees day.

286 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 5:26:17pm

Or if you’ve noticed a bug of some kind that I don’t know about yet.

287 Gus  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 5:28:14pm

re: #286 Charles Johnson

Or if you’ve noticed a bug of some kind that I don’t know about yet.

Sometimes when I try to enter a tag it picks up another similarly named tag and won’t let me add the one I want.

288 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 5:29:18pm

re: #287 Gus

Yeah… just enter a space or two after the tag. The spaces will be chopped off when the tag is entered.

289 Gus  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 5:29:44pm

re: #284 Charles Johnson

If anybody has a specific request for something in the LGF Pages posting window, now would be a good time to let me know while I have that project checked out.

Align left, center and right for text buttons? Also, maybe a horizontal line option? I suppose that can be done with the right code.

290 Gus  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 5:30:04pm

re: #288 Charles Johnson

Yeah… just enter a space or two after the tag. The spaces will be chopped off when the tag is entered.

OK Thanks.

291 Gus  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 5:31:00pm

re: #288 Charles Johnson

Yeah… just enter a space or two after the tag. The spaces will be chopped off when the tag is entered.

Oh, I have an idea. Allow us the option of not allowing comments and/or the ability to delete comments. :D // Kidding really. Kind of an inside joke I suppose.

292 CuriousLurker  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 5:31:37pm

re: #283 Stanley Sea

I went back to Florida uh, 4 years ago? December. Brutal. I was sweating the whole time. Such a crazy memory that I actually grew up there, lived there & at one point wore business attire there.

Never could do it again over a week.

I heard that! I have NO desire to live anywhere with brutal summers like that again. NY/NJ gets wicked hot & humid sometimes—right on up there with Texas temps—but it doesn’t last. Texas is freaking HOT from April-September. Spring lasts for about 2 weeks in March, then everything starts wilting & turning brown. Ugh.

You know what I miss about springtime in TX though? The bluebonnets. There are oceans of them everywhere for a couple of weeks in March.

293 CuriousLurker  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 5:33:03pm

re: #291 Gus

Oh, I have an idea. Allow us the option of not allowing comments and/or the ability to delete comments. :D // Kidding really. Kind of an inside joke I suppose.

Or the option to disemvowel them. ;)

294 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 5:33:43pm

re: #291 Gus

I actually did think about a way to close the comments. I almost never do it on front page articles, but there is a feature to do it.

Maybe that would be one more nice tweak. I’ll check it out.

295 Gus  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 5:34:00pm

re: #293 CuriousLurker

Or the option to disemvowel them. ;)

Maybe turn their text upside down.

296 Gus  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 5:35:50pm

re: #283 Stanley Sea

I went back to Florida uh, 4 years ago? December. Brutal. I was sweating the whole time. Such a crazy memory that I actually grew up there, lived there & at one point wore business attire there.

Never could do it again over a week.

Oh, now I remember. Humidity can do some really weird things to the body. Especially when it comes to odor and things like that. Even going from the dry Denver summers to when I was in the Santa Clara Valley I noticed it. Way more humid in the latter.

297 CuriousLurker  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 5:35:53pm

re: #286 Charles Johnson

Or if you’ve noticed a bug of some kind that I don’t know about yet.

I tried nesting an unordered list and the nested list went all wonky. I didn’t bother trying to fix it with CSS or tell you about it as I figured not that many people are gonna do it. Just letting you know now.

298 EPR-radar  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 5:36:31pm

re: #292 CuriousLurker

I heard that! I have NO desire to live anywhere with brutal summers like that again. NY/NJ gets wicked hot & humid sometimes—right on up there with Texas temps—but it doesn’t last. Texas is freaking HOT from April-September. Spring lasts for about 2 weeks in March, then everything starts wilting & turning brown. Ugh.

You know what I miss about springtime in TX though? The bluebonnets. There are oceans of them everywhere for a couple of weeks in March.

I grew up in NJ, and the heat + humidity + mosquitos in the summers were just too much for me. I’ve ended up in CA, and I’ll take earthquakes any day over rotten weather.

299 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 5:37:17pm

Is this a threat?

300 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 5:37:23pm

re: #297 CuriousLurker

Um, yeah, it’s not really set up to do a nested list.

301 CuriousLurker  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 5:37:53pm

re: #284 Charles Johnson

If anybody has a specific request for something in the LGF Pages posting window, now would be a good time to let me know while I have that project checked out.

Oh, oh, wait—I have one! Can we haz tables? Or would that be a big PITA and potential mess?

302 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 5:37:59pm

re: #299 Vicious Babushka

Is this a threat?

Yes, it is.

303 CuriousLurker  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 5:38:53pm

re: #285 Gus

We get freezing snaps in Denver but nothing like the Ouray area. When I first moved here I thought that winters were relatively warm often getting up the low 50s at times.

It’s up and down now. Summers, we’d always get a thunderstorm along with a shower. That was the 90s. Barely get those anymore. Then there were the winter snow storms with thunder and lightening.

South Jersey could have horrible summers. 90s and high humidity. Even at night when it would only reach a low of 70. Here, it’s dry and in the evening it can go down in the 50s after a 90ish degrees day.

Oh, okay. I had no idea it was that different in Denver.

304 EPR-radar  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 5:40:35pm

re: #303 CuriousLurker

Oh, okay. I had no idea it was that different in Denver.

Ouray is in the mountains. Denver is next to the mountains. Makes a big difference in the weather.

305 Stanley Sea  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 5:41:59pm

BBL. take out calling.

El Pollo Loco if you care to know.

306 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 5:42:01pm

re: #301 CuriousLurker

Oh, oh, wait—I have one! Can we haz tables? Or would that be a big PITA and potential mess?

That’s on the to-do list, but I’m still trying to figure out an interface. I may allow hand-coded tables - those would be simpler to support.

307 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 5:42:24pm

Look at this Bullet List of Derp.

308 CuriousLurker  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 5:43:08pm

re: #300 Charles Johnson

Um, yeah, it’s not really set up to do a nested list.

The coder in me couldn’t resist, heh. I did manage to make lists using background images for bullets though…

309 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 5:43:32pm

EVEN TEH LIBRUL SNOAPS SEZ ITS TROO!


310 engineer cat  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 5:45:03pm

re: #307 Vicious Babushka

Look at this Bullet List of Derp.

first president to violate the war powers act???

excuse me???

311 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 5:45:27pm

*FACE PALM*

312 Gus  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 5:46:46pm

re: #306 Charles Johnson

That’s on the to-do list, but I’m still trying to figure out an interface. I may allow hand-coded tables - those would be simpler to support.

Colored text. Maybe red, green and blue.

Also, this style of text but with a button. :D

313 CuriousLurker  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 5:47:01pm

re: #306 Charles Johnson

That’s on the to-do list, but I’m still trying to figure out an interface. I may allow hand-coded tables - those would be simpler to support.

Yeah, hand-coded is cool for some, but maybe not so useful for most.

314 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 5:47:03pm

re: #299 Vicious Babushka

Is this a threat?

Is there a legit source for the “legal to hunt humans” statement by Feinstein that isn’t a bunch of crazy people?

I found a video, but the lips and the sound track don’t synchronize, so I am confused as to if this quote is even true.

315 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 5:47:24pm

re: #311 Vicious Babushka

*FACE PALM*

I am very worried about Obama running for a second term.

316 dragonath  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 5:47:26pm

Okay, right now I’m watching a bunch of Apple cultists get more and more rabid as the stock price keeps dropping.

It’s like watching Republicans

317 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 5:48:42pm

re: #311 Vicious Babushka

*FACE PALM*

Second term? Has she been asleep for the last four months or so?

Perhaps she meant “third term”, a common-enough RWNJ paranoid fantasy.

318 EPR-radar  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 5:49:02pm

re: #307 Vicious Babushka

I’ll give them the “getting a Nobel Peace prize for doing nothing” bullet point.

Obama got the peace prize for not being a GOP president in an era of GOP madness.

Of course, it not like RWNJs have any respect for peace.

319 EPR-radar  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 5:50:15pm

re: #315 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

I am very worried about Obama running for a second term.

He might win. Then the world will truly end.

320 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 5:50:49pm

Face-palming DERP

PAY WORKERS BOWL OF RICE & GRUEL!!!! STARBUCKS BARISTAS ALL TEH COFFEE THEY CAN DRINK BUT ONLY 1 BATHROOM BREAK EVERY 4 HOURS.

321 Skip Intro  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 5:51:27pm

re: #284 Charles Johnson

If anybody has a specific request for something in the LGF Pages posting window, now would be a good time to let me know while I have that project checked out.

How about a link box like the one for images, that would allow you to paste in the article URL, then format it and add the hotlink?

322 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 5:53:38pm

Off for a touch of organizing for America.

They never rest—we never stop.

323 makeitstop  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 5:53:58pm

I posted a link to the ‘Ask FLOTUS’ post to my Facebook page today, and one of my wingnut friends responded. First he said that the tweets on the thread were ‘liberal plants,’ and I countered by telling him that he should re-read those tweets and tell me why hundreds of liberals would flood a Twitter session just to ‘make conservatvies look bad.’

He responded, and he seems really troubled that he could be wrong, and that these are people in his party. I might be able to swing one back from the abyss. I’ll let you know how it goes.

324 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 5:55:15pm

re: #323 makeitstop

I posted a link to the ‘Ask FLOTUS’ post to my Facebook page today, and one of my wingnut friends responded. First he said that the tweets on the thread were ‘liberal plants,’ and I countered by telling him that he should re-read those tweets and tell me why hundreds of liberals would flood a Twitter session just to ‘make conservatvies look bad.’

He responded, and he seems really troubled that he could be wrong, and that these are people in his party. I might be able to swing one back from the abyss. I’ll let you know how it goes.

Also why would LIBRULZ go to the trouble of building up cred at #TGDN with thousands of wingnut followers?

325 CuriousLurker  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 5:56:10pm

re: #298 EPR-radar

I grew up in NJ, and the heat + humidity + mosquitos in the summers were just too much for me. I’ve ended up in CA, and I’ll take earthquakes any day over rotten weather.

Heh, yeah, I live in AC for a while before moving up here. IT could get pretty hot there, but I always lived withing a couple of blocks of the beach, so it wasn’t so bad.

re: #304 EPR-radar

Ouray is in the mountains. Denver is next to the mountains. Makes a big difference in the weather.

I didn’t realize it made so much difference. Learn something new every day. The Texas Hill Country is about all I know. I’m gonna have to visit upstate NY one of these days…

CL <— Never lived anywhere near any mountains; was totally awestruck the first time she saw one.

326 engineer cat  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 5:57:06pm

re: #323 makeitstop

‘liberal plants’

hemp? aloe vera? sage? peyote?

327 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 5:57:42pm

Outrageous outrage alert:

And of course, the article that he claims disproves their presence on the SPLC hate map indicates every reason to keep them on the list:

Sometimes called Tridentine or Latin-Rite Catholics, they believe changes in the liturgy and doctrine from Vatican II are invalid, as are all the popes and any pronouncements they have made since then. They use an older, Latin version of the Mass and adhere strictly to doctrines in place before that council.

In the early 1980s, the congregation’s leader, Bishop Francis Schuckardt, was ousted amid allegations of sexual misconduct, drug abuse and financial impropriety. Schuckardt and some of his followers went to California, where he was later arrested for drug violations. The main congregation continued to expand and now has facilities in Omaha as well as Spokane.

The law center lists some of Schuckardt’s legal and financial problems and abuse allegations in its intelligence briefing, adding that his successor has condemned the Vatican for efforts to reach out to Jews and Muslims and that the church’s website has sold anti-Semitic literature or hosted speakers who talk about Jewish-Masonic conspiracies or praise well-known anti-Semites.

Puskorius said the bookstore might have stocked some books like the law center describes at various times, or had some speakers who talk about those conspiracies at Mount St. Michael at some point. “Those are opinions that people have. People have made the case for them,” he said, but the church doesn’t push conspiracies.

The congregation is not anti-Semitic, Puskorius said. It invited a Jewish photographer to its annual conference to discuss the Shroud of Turin, the cloth that some believe wrapped the body of Jesus after the crucifixion, he said.

“We do pray for the conversion of the Jews,” Puskorius said, because they believe that’s what the Bible teaches. “We pray for the conversion of all non-Catholics.”
Hard to get off list

Mother Kathryn Joseph, who was among more than a dozen nuns who left Mount St. Michael in 2007 to rejoin the Roman Catholic Church and form a new order, doesn’t believe her former congregation is prejudiced against Jews. She had been at Mount St. Michael for decades and hadn’t heard anything about Jewish conspiracies since the 1980s, when Schuckardt ran the congregation. She remembers seeing “Protocols of Zion,” one of the anti-Semitic books mentioned by the law center, on a table in those days, but the former bishop “had a lot of conspiracy theory things out.”

Like most Traditional Catholic groups, they reject Nostra Aetate, a letter from Pope Paul VI which denounces anti-Semitism, Mother Kathryn said. But that’s because they reject everything any pope has done for the last 50 years, she added, not because of the message.

“To suggest that they are anti-Semitic is just not fair,” said Mother Kathryn, now the head of the Sisters of Mary, Mother of the Church, a Roman Catholic order in the Spokane Diocese.

That’s right, they wrap their anti-semitism in a broader message of rejecting any church doctrine from Vatican II forward. All that outreach and reconciliation with Jewish communities is rejected.

But that’s just not anti-Semitism.

Gotcha.

328 kirkspencer  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 5:57:43pm

re: #310 engineer cat

first president to violate the war powers act???

excuse me???

heh. First to have 17 vacations. First to have lavish parties for his friends. Riiiiight.

You could almost write a book just documenting the errors in that post. Which is unfortunately why the lies linger on - the choices are full rebuttal (tl;dr) or abbreviated response (I’m not talking about that). But every so often there’s one at which you can just stand and laugh. 17 vacations with lavish parties paid for by the American Taxpayer is more than any president before has done.

329 dragonath  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 5:59:16pm

Hey, I didn’t know that there used to be an actual thing called “segregated primaries”. When the Supreme Court struck it down in 1944, there was a protest movement in Texas to try and split the Democratic electoral votes in that state against FDR.

330 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 5:59:20pm

re: #314 Shvaughn

Is there a legit source for the “legal to hunt humans” statement by Feinstein that isn’t a bunch of crazy people?

I found a video, but the lips and the sound track don’t synchronize, so I am confused as to if this quote is even true.

Aha, I found a longer video here on Youtube and the Feinstein comment starts about 8:10.

Dumb statement by her, really. But creepy that people are actually saying they’d love to hunt their fellow Americans and fellow humans.

331 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 5:59:34pm


Dim Jim thinks they are harmless, but they are viciouser than teh Babushka.

332 EPR-radar  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 6:00:23pm

re: #325 CuriousLurker

…
I didn’t realize it made so much difference. Learn something new every day. The Texas Hill Country is about all I know. I’m gonna have to visit upstate NY one of these days…

CL <— Never lived anywhere near any mountains; was totally awestruck the first time she saw one.

I hope you aren’t expecting to find mountains in upstate NY :-)

In the US, you need to be west of the Mississippi to find mountains.

333 CuriousLurker  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 6:00:42pm

re: #325 CuriousLurker

Oh, the Texas Hill Country looks like this. Not exactly mountainous (unless you’ve never seen real mountains).

334 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 6:01:05pm

re: #327 lawhawk

Outrageous outrage alert:

And of course, the article that he claims disproves their presence on the SPLC hate map indicates every reason to keep them on the list:

That’s right, they wrap their anti-semitism in a broader message of rejecting any church doctrine from Vatican II forward. All that outreach and reconciliation with Jewish communities is rejected.

But that’s just not anti-Semitism.

Gotcha.

Father Charles Coughlin.

335 CuriousLurker  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 6:02:23pm

re: #332 EPR-radar

I hope you aren’t expecting to find mountains in upstate NY :-)

In the US, you need to be west of the Mississippi to find mountains.

LOL, okay, then I’m guessing they’re not gonna be like the ones in Colorado or New Mexico, huh? Oh, well.

336 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 6:03:01pm

re: #327 lawhawk

Jim Hoft @gatewaypundit

Outrageous!… Far Left Southern Poverty Law Center Puts “Singing Nuns” on Its Hate Groups Map [Link: shar.es…] via @gatewaypundit

And once more the Right will move to rally around bigots, racists, anti-Semites as they always do.

BUT BUT BUT FRIENDS OF HAMAS!!1! DEMONRATS HATE ISRAEL!!1!

337 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 6:03:38pm

DERP

338 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 6:03:52pm

DERP DERP

339 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 6:04:11pm

DERP DERP DERP

340 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 6:05:14pm

Hey Gus… possible followup to your post on Mark Kelly…

Mark Kelly Brushes Off Breitbart Report: Who? (VIDEO)

341 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 6:05:17pm

I don’t understand how these people can both claim to be patriotic AND be ready to secede on a moment’s notice.

They’re loyal to one of the two sides in the Civil War, but I’m not convinced it’s the winning side.

342 dragonath  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 6:05:19pm

re: #327 lawhawk

Sometimes called Tridentine or Latin-Rite Catholics… They use an older, Latin version of the Mass and adhere strictly to doctrines in place before that council.

In the early 1980s, the congregation’s leader, Bishop Francis Schuckardt

Ah schismatics. Not only so they think it’s holier to speak in badly pronounced Latin, most of their leaders have “barbarian” names.

Amusing.

343 Gus  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 6:06:06pm

Most journalists failed to anticipate his role in the Senate, focusing instead on a distracting controversy about the Civil Rights Act of 1964. — Conor Friedersdorf

Eye roll!

344 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 6:06:34pm

LOLWUT?

345 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 6:06:41pm

derp

Why do they think that DHS is less controlled by Congress than the military is, anyway?

(Apart from the whole thing about 2700 tanks being bogus anyway.)

346 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 6:06:42pm

re: #286 Charles Johnson

Or if you’ve noticed a bug of some kind that I don’t know about yet.

I have the Return of the ctrl-V bringing up the video posting thingy instead of pasting my clipboard’s contents.

347 dragonath  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 6:07:21pm

re: #343 Gus

Most journalists failed to anticipate his role in the Senate, focusing instead on a distracting controversy about the Civil Rights Act of 1964. — Conor Friedersdorf

Eye roll!

Conor the Moderate

348 CuriousLurker  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 6:07:23pm

Okay, all this talk has made me hungry. Gonna go make a burger and have a glass of lemonade… or maybe coffee… Laters.

349 Gus  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 6:07:48pm

re: #340 Charles Johnson

Hey Gus… possible followup to your post on Mark Kelly…

Mark Kelly Brushes Off Breitbart Report: Who? (VIDEO)

Thanks. Can you add the video to that page and maybe a link to TPM?

350 engineer cat  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 6:08:50pm

Latin-Rite Catholics

a really traditional church would hold acts-of-the-apostles communions at every meal in countrified first century greek i guess

351 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 6:09:32pm

re: #350 engineer cat

Latin-Rite Catholics

a really traditional church would hold acts-of-the-apostles communions at every meal in countrified first century greek i guess

Aramaic!

352 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 6:09:38pm

Upside-down land derp

353 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 6:10:05pm

DERP DE DERP


354 dragonath  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 6:12:32pm

re: #351 Vicious Babushka

Aramaic!

Reminds me of that freaky Mel Gibson movie

355 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 6:13:40pm

Gus, have you seen the nutjobs trying unsuccessfully to ambush Janet Napolitano and ask her about the “2700 tanks”?

Youtube Video

They posted a video of their nonsense attempt.

356 PhillyPretzel  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 6:14:38pm

re: #354 dragonath

If I recall correctly Mel Gibson is one of those folks who likes the Latin Mass.

357 Gus  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 6:15:00pm

re: #355 Shvaughn

Gus, have you seen the nutjobs trying unsuccessfully to ambush Janet Napolitano and ask her about the “2700 tanks”?

[Embedded content]

They posted a video of their nonsense attempt.

Ugh, it’s Those We Are Change weirdos.

358 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 6:15:15pm

hmm i wonder what “banker occupied” could possibly be a dogwhistle for…?

359 engineer cat  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 6:15:31pm

re: #351 Vicious Babushka

Aramaic!

nu, aramaic then, vas villst du von min lieb und leben already?

360 dragonath  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 6:16:26pm

re: #355 Shvaughn

Gus, have you seen the nutjobs trying unsuccessfully to ambush Janet Napolitano and ask her about the “2700 tanks”?

[Embedded content]

They posted a video of their nonsense attempt.

Better yet, “WeAreChange” are a bunch of 9/11 truthers.

I bet half the people retweeting this have twitter feeds with bald eagles and “remember 9/11” things in the background.

361 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 6:17:26pm

This should be rather easy to resolve. Kelly can show the paperwork and indicating the date of purchase. Would that not also indicate the date the background check was conducted.

Then all the nonsense that the nutters have said about how they were going to out Kelly’s purchase before he “magically posted” that he was going to make the purchase and provide the same to the Tuscon PD would be proven as just that - nonsense.

Right now, we’ve got nothing but rumor and innuendo from those claiming that Kelly did something wrong or was embarrassed by the purchase or whatever it is they’re claiming he did wrong.

362 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 6:18:27pm

re: #356 PhillyPretzel

If I recall correctly Mel Gibson is one of those folks who likes the Latin Mass.

Indeed.

I’ve been to a Latin Mass, and it’s interesting. But far better when such things are done in the venacular language of where the congregations reside.

363 dragonath  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 6:19:12pm

Don’t you people know the Bible was written in English!!!

364 EPR-radar  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 6:20:52pm

re: #363 dragonath

Don’t you people know the Bible was written in English!!!

It has to be the King James version! God spoke to the Old Testament prophets in Elizabethan english.

365 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 6:21:49pm

re: #363 dragonath

Which version? I’m partial to Olde English. /

366 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 6:22:38pm

Is forbes.com just a site where anyone can post stuff?

367 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 6:22:41pm

re: #363 dragonath

Don’t you people know the Bible was written in English!!!

Ah, the KJY-only point of view.

Like a young lady of my acquaintance who insists that Allah cannot possibly be God, because He’s not called “God”.

Perhaps Allah can be found in the deity directory under, ‘Akbar, Allah Hu” or something like that.

*facepalm*

368 dragonath  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 6:23:49pm

re: #366 Shvaughn

Is forbes.com just a site where anyone can post stuff?

Yeah, I noticed that too. But at least you get that snappy “Thought of the Day”

369 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 6:25:06pm

re: #368 dragonath

Yeah, I noticed that too. But at least you get that snappy “Thought of the Day”

Dear god, that idiotic post got half a million views.

370 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 6:25:15pm

Who walked the Bush’s dogs and were leftists complaining about it at the time? I don’t remember.

371 dragonath  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 6:26:18pm
Mr. Obama has a long history of disdain toward gun ownership. According to Prof. John Lott, in Debacle, a book he co-authored with iconic conservative strategist Grover Norquist,

“When I was first introduced to Obama (when both worked at the University of Chicago Law School, where Lott was famous for his analysis of firearms possession), he said, ‘Oh, you’re the gun guy.’
I responded: ‘Yes, I guess so.’

’I don’t believe that people should own guns,’ Obama replied.

I then replied that it might be fun to have lunch and talk about that statement some time.

He simply grimaced and turned away. …

Unlike other liberal academics who usually enjoyed discussing opposing ideas, Obama showed disdain.”

DISDAIN

Ancedotes like this, yeah, real journalism there.

372 Gus  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 6:27:46pm

re: #366 Shvaughn

Is forbes.com just a site where anyone can post stuff?

Oh jeez. It’s a pandemic of stupid in America.

373 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 6:29:53pm

re: #371 dragonath

DISDAIN

Ancedotes like this, yeah, real journalism there.

John Lott, totally credible.

//

374 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 6:29:59pm

I’ve not had the shop open Mondays since about 2005. This month I started being open Mondays again. It’s been so busy, I think I’ll continue being open Mondays, and close the rest of the week.

Image: h3622E2C9.jpg

Later, lizards.

375 dragonath  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 6:30:06pm

John Lott, Fox News opinion contributor and former sockpuppet

No sir no agenda there. A guy like that wouldn’t make anything up.

376 Gus  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 6:32:39pm

FUCK! I’m sick of these idiots.

377 dragonath  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 6:33:26pm

HEY OBAMA WANT ME TO HARASS YOU ABOUT GUNS WHILE YOU EAT

“Get bent, John”

378 Gus  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 6:33:42pm

Dear God. Here we go again.

[Link: twitter.com…]

379 dragonath  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 6:34:38pm

re: #378 Gus

Dear God. Here we go again.

[Link: twitter.com…]

380 dragonath  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 6:36:41pm

Glad to know all the truthers, birthers, religious freaks and gun nuts are all on the same side now. Makes categorization so much easier.

381 Cap'n Magic  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 6:36:54pm

re: #366 Shvaughn

Forbes is just another example of those who get their wealth and power the old fashioned way-by inheriting it. During the 80s they wern’t a bad read, and actually stayed on the trail on Iban Boskey and Michael Milken before it blew sky-high. Now? They repeat the Big Lie so often and it seems to be a race to the bottom between them and the Wall Street Urinal.

Take the ZeroHedge test and see how well you know your investment style and business news!

382 engineer cat  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 6:37:11pm

re: #366 Shvaughn

Is forbes.com just a site where anyone can post stuff?

he’s a gold bug

383 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 6:37:34pm

When was Laura Bush EVER attacked this viciously?

384 jaunte  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 6:37:57pm

re: #370 Vicious Babushka

Who walked the Bush’s dogs and were leftists complaining about it at the time? I don’t remember.

Blah people not supposed to have servants, according to tcot, et al.

385 dell*nix  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 6:38:01pm

re: #367 Dr Lizardo

Snort. Read that as the “KYJelly” point of view.

386 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 6:39:45pm

re: #383 Vicious Babushka

When was Laura Bush EVER attacked this viciously?

See? Because they don’t see you defending Laura Bush 5-6 years ago, it means you must have been attacking her, just like they would have been doing if they were you.
/

387 dragonath  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 6:40:21pm

re: #382 engineer cat

he’s a gold bug

I for one welcome basing our economy on a heavy, shiny rock. Investing…? What’s that?

388 EPR-radar  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 6:40:34pm

re: #386 Kragar (Antichrist )

See? Because they don’t see you defending Laura Bush 5-6 years ago, it means you must have been attacking her, just like they would have been doing if they were you.
/

The absence of evidence is evidence. Wingnut logic strikes again.

389 Gus  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 6:40:41pm

Here’s the writers website. [Link: www.thegoldstandardnow.org…]

390 dragonath  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 6:41:13pm

re: #389 Gus

Image: grant-bloomberg-2.jpg

391 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 6:42:11pm

re: #370 Vicious Babushka

Who walked the Bush’s dogs and were leftists complaining about it at the time? I don’t remember.

The late Barney Bush was even the star of taxpayer-produced movies.

392 Gus  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 6:43:11pm
393 Gus  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 6:46:03pm

Stupid conspiracy theorists. They’re so annoying.

394 Cap'n Magic  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 6:46:42pm

re: #389 Gus

From the ZeroHedge Test:

A 1 oz gold bullion slab is actually:

a. six would-be wedding bands
b. 1oz novelty of pure gold smelted by JM
c. Au = element #79 on Periodic Table
d. Reward for a 9.59 sec 100m
e. The solution to all our financial problems…changer of men from liberal faggot zionist atheist swine into god-fearing hardworking people of fortitude and rectitude…curer of cancer, balancer of budgets….purifier of all our precious bodily fluids and divinely-given laws….come, my preciousssss…

And to tun this on its head:

A Gold ETF is:

a. a pooled investment in Gold
b. a low-cost alternative to buying, holding, storing & insuring physical commodities
c. an easy liquid way to bet on the price of gold
d. useful asset allocation tool for diversification
e. a conspiracy to defraud honest hard-working speculative investors who’ve put their hard-earned savings into physical bullion held at secure vaults outside the USA, who have been cheated by the depressing influence these instrument have on the physical gold price by diluting the buying power which would otherwise raise the price of Gold benefitting all the other paranoid gold-bugs and survivalists who’ve already bought physical bullion in the form of coins at significant premiums or for delivery in a secure vault outside the USA.

395 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 6:47:32pm

re: #393 Gus

Stupid conspiracy theorists. They’re so annoying.

We’re seeing in action how right-wing extremist information gets mainstreamed by conservatives. Expect a Fox News report soon on the 1.6 billion bullets and 2700 tanks.

396 kirkspencer  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 6:47:33pm

re: #371 dragonath

DISDAIN

Ancedotes like this, yeah, real journalism there.

Especially anecdotes like this which tend to stand awkwardly.

Timings. Lott was a visiting professor 1994-95 and a fellow from 1995-1999 at the University of Chicago. Obama was a lecturer from 1992-1996. Becoming active in politics he became a senior lecturer from 1996-2004.

Now here’s the fun part. Lott’s Big Entry, his paper co-written with David Mustard, wasn’t written till 1997. The book that made him “that gun guy” (More Guns, Less Crime) was a 1998 publication.

So for this story to work, Lott wasn’t introduced to Obama till three or four years after he started working at the University of College (to be “that gun guy”). This isn’t while Obama is full-time at the university but is instead after Obama began serving as state Senator.

It does not disprove Lott’s anecdote. It does, however, make it look odd.

397 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 6:48:10pm

re: #393 Gus

Stupid conspiracy theorists. They’re so annoying.

I find the current lack of convincing, thought provoking conspiracy theories to be suspicious.

398 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 6:49:24pm

re: #393 Gus

Stupid conspiracy theorists. They’re so annoying.

Let’s see if this goes viral:

DHS IS BUYING UP ALL THE SUPPLIES OF GOLD AND MAKING THEM INTO BULLETS!1111!!!!!!!!!

AND SILVER TOO BECAUSE VAMPIRES!!!!!111111

399 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 6:50:29pm

re: #395 Shvaughn

We’re seeing in action how right-wing extremist information gets mainstreamed by conservatives. Expect a Fox News report soon on the 1.6 billion bullets and 2700 tanks.

Give it a few more days and then it will be “lots of people are asking questions about…”

400 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 6:50:33pm

re: #392 Gus

Did I miss this in the Think Progress reporting?
Police Kill 16-Year-Old They Say Pointed a Handgun

As officers got out of the car to question him, Mr. Gray turned and pointed a .38-caliber Rohm revolver at them, the police said; two officers fired, hitting the teenager. He was pronounced dead a short time later at Kings County Hospital Center.

Mr. Gray did not fire the handgun, which was recovered at the scene. Paul J. Browne, the chief spokesman for the Police Department, said the six-shot revolver was loaded with four live rounds.

401 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 6:50:40pm

re: #392 Gus

402 Gus  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 6:51:17pm

Oh crikey. It’s about those MRAPs again. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

403 Gus  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 6:51:42pm

re: #400 Killgore Trout

Did I miss this in the Think Progress reporting?
Police Kill 16-Year-Old They Say Pointed a Handgun

Have no idea. I just saw rioting.

404 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 6:52:12pm
The shooting came little more than 10 hours after officers shot a man on Staten Island, in a traffic stop that turned violent. In that case, officers had information indicating that the driver of the car, a white Toyota Camry, had a gun in his possession, the police said.

As a pair of plainclothes detectives, their shields displayed, approached the car, near Manor Road and North Gannon Avenue around 1:15 p.m., the driver accelerated in an attempt to flee, pinning one officer against another car, the police said. The second detective then fired his gun after he saw the driver, identified as Clinton James, 33, of Staten Island, reach for a weapon, the police said.

Mr. James, struck at least once in the torso, continued to pull away but collided with several vehicles and then crashed into a utility pole. He was arrested and was sent to Richmond University Medical Center, where he was listed in stable condition.

The police said the driver had an extensive arrest record. A .44-caliber Taurus revolver was recovered from his car, the police said. Mr. James was arrested on a list of felony charges that included assaulting an officer.

405 dragonath  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 6:53:27pm

re: #400 Killgore Trout

Did I miss this in the Think Progress reporting?
Police Kill 16-Year-Old They Say Pointed a Handgun

Uh, yeah.

On Saturday night, two undercover police officers shot and killed 16-year-old Kimani Gray. According to the police account, the officers approached Gray when he “adjusted his waistband in what the police describe as a suspicious manner.” When the police asked him to “show his hands,” they claim Gray turned around and pointed a gun at the officers, who fired 11 rounds. The weapon police say belonged to Gray was not fired.

406 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 6:53:38pm

re: #400 Killgore Trout

Did I miss this in the Think Progress reporting?
Police Kill 16-Year-Old They Say Pointed a Handgun

What are you even talking about? This is the first paragraph of the Think Progress post:

On Saturday night, two undercover police officers shot and killed 16-year-old Kimani Gray. According to the police account, the officers approached Gray when he “adjusted his waistband in what the police describe as a suspicious manner.” When the police asked him to “show his hands,” they claim Gray turned around and pointed a gun at the officers, who fired 11 rounds. The weapon police say belonged to Gray was not fired.

What is your objection here exactly, Trout?

407 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 6:54:05pm

re: #403 Gus

Have no idea. I just saw rioting.

TP made no mention of the loaded handgun he pointed at police which was recovered at the scene. I think that’s an important detail worth mention.

408 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 6:54:20pm

re: #398 Vicious Babushka

Let’s see if this goes viral:

I’d only worry if they were buying up all the silver. Gold does nothing against vampires. Silver, on the other hand, is great for dealing with werewolves, vampires, and other things that go bump in the night. /

409 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 6:55:26pm

re: #407 Killgore Trout

TP made no mention of the loaded handgun he pointed at police which was recovered at the scene. I think that’s an important detail worth mention.

If by “no mention” you mean that they definitely mentioned it, as shown immediately above, then yeah, they sure didn’t mention it.

410 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 6:55:35pm

Is this Zagorski a real live crazy person or just a bot that spews random wingnut talking points? Look at its timeline. I think I have been pwn3d.



411 Political Atheist  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 6:56:25pm

re: #394 Cap’n Magic

From the ZeroHedge Test:

A 1 oz gold bullion slab is actually:

a. six would-be wedding bands
b. 1oz novelty of pure gold smelted by JM
c. Au = element #79 on Periodic Table
d. Reward for a 9.59 sec 100m
e. The solution to all our financial problems…changer of men from liberal faggot zionist atheist swine into god-fearing hardworking people of fortitude and rectitude…curer of cancer, balancer of budgets….purifier of all our precious bodily fluids and divinely-given laws….come, my preciousssss…

And to tun this on its head:

A Gold ETF is:

a. a pooled investment in Gold
b. a low-cost alternative to buying, holding, storing & insuring physical commodities
c. an easy liquid way to bet on the price of gold
d. useful asset allocation tool for diversification
e. a conspiracy to defraud honest hard-working speculative investors who’ve put their hard-earned savings into physical bullion held at secure vaults outside the USA, who have been cheated by the depressing influence these instrument have on the physical gold price by diluting the buying power which would otherwise raise the price of Gold benefitting all the other paranoid gold-bugs and survivalists who’ve already bought physical bullion in the form of coins at significant premiums or for delivery in a secure vault outside the USA.

Heh I just Paged a bit on making 14kt from 24kt gold. You might like the footage.

412 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 6:56:44pm

This thing may also be a bot.

413 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 6:57:40pm

I’m culling the Derp list. Only real live crazy wingnuts are included.

414 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 6:57:48pm

re: #409 Shvaughn

If by “no mention” you mean that they definitely mentioned it, as shown immediately above, then yeah, they sure didn’t mention it.

It’s not just a police claim. The weapon recovered was loaded. This was not a case of mistaken pants adjusting.

415 Gus  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 6:57:54pm

re: #412 Vicious Babushka

This thing may also be a bot.

They’ve lost their minds.

416 EPR-radar  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 6:58:29pm

re: #413 Vicious Babushka

I’m culling the Derp list. Only real live crazy wingnuts are included.

Standards must be maintained, after all.

417 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 6:58:29pm

Us too.

418 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 6:59:05pm

re: #416 EPR-radar

Standards must be maintained, after all.

Also, their shit is getting very boring.

419 dragonath  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 6:59:22pm

re: #414 Killgore Trout

It’s not just a police claim. The weapon recovered was loaded. This was not a case of mistaken pants adjusting.

Why do you hate the 2nd amendment?

420 Gus  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 6:59:30pm

OK, now that Unite Blue is getting freaking weird.

421 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 7:00:34pm

re: #414 Killgore Trout

It’s not just a police claim. The weapon recovered was loaded. This was not a case of mistaken pants adjusting.

What part of this:

When the police asked him to “show his hands,” they claim Gray turned around and pointed a gun at the officers, who fired 11 rounds. The weapon police say belonged to Gray was not fired.

… is inaccurate?

You said that “TP made no mention of the loaded handgun he pointed at police which was recovered at the scene.” — except they do repeat that claim.

422 dragonath  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 7:02:38pm

Uh oh, the Netherlands knocked Cuba out of the WBC.

423 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 7:05:48pm

re: #421 Shvaughn

they claim

It’s not just a claim. So far the “claim” is backed by evidence in the form of loaded gun recovered at the scene. That’s an important detail.

424 Cap'n Magic  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 7:06:14pm

re: #411 Political Atheist

That’s nothing-the real trick is making sure that your pure gold is really pure gold and not gold-plated Tungsten….

425 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 7:06:30pm

re: #414 Killgore Trout

It’s not just a police claim. The weapon recovered was loaded. This was not a case of mistaken pants adjusting.

What we know: A 16-year old, Kimani Gray, was killed after NYPD approached.

A gun - a 38 caliber revolved was recovered. The gun had four live rounds.

Sources claim that Gray was holding the gun for others. Police say he was acting suspiciously.

NYPD indicates that Gray had multiple priors.

Mahnefah Gray, 19, (the victim’s sister) claims that witness told her that Gray was adjusting his waistband when he was shot.*

NYPD claim that that wasn’t the case.*

Forensics will tell only so much. Did Gray actually pull the gun? Did he fire it at police? Was he shot in the back? Was he running?

Forensics wont tell whether police said that they’d shoot him again once Gray was down on the ground.

But emotions are running high and there are reports of a disorderly gathering - not exactly a riot - that occurred earlier tonight that has since dispersed.

[fixed the reversal* as per kirk’s comment below]

426 dragonath  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 7:07:16pm

True story: Baseball in the Netherlands is called “Honkball”

427 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 7:07:36pm

Former GOP Rep. Joe Walsh: The American people are ‘stupid’ and ‘lazy’

Exhibit 1) The fact he was ever elected.
Exhibit 2) People are still listening to Joe Walsh.

428 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 7:08:31pm

re: #423 Killgore Trout

It’s not just a claim. So far the “claim” is backed by evidence in the form of loaded gun recovered at the scene. That’s an important detail.

It is just a claim. A claim by police doesn’t become unambiguous fact simply because police make it, and neither does a recovered gun at the scene. We can give them the benefit of the doubt and assume what they’re saying is true, but unless you were there, it’s still technically a claim.

429 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 7:10:41pm

re: #423 Killgore Trout

It’s not just a claim. So far the “claim” is backed by evidence in the form of loaded gun recovered at the scene. That’s an important detail.

Uh, here’s the part you quoted.

As officers got out of the car to question him, Mr. Gray turned and pointed a .38-caliber Rohm revolver at them, the police said; two officers fired, hitting the teenager. He was pronounced dead a short time later at Kings County Hospital Center.

Mr. Gray did not fire the handgun, which was recovered at the scene. Paul J. Browne, the chief spokesman for the Police Department, said the six-shot revolver was loaded with four live rounds.

All that any news agency or blog can report, whether the NY Times or Think Progress, is what the police have said or claimed.

In this case, the police claim that it was his gun. Are you quibbling over the word “claim”? It’s no different from “the police said”.

In any case, this sentence:

The weapon police say belonged to Gray was not fired.

… seems to be saying that the weapon was not recovered. And of course if you follow the links on the Think Progress post, you get to the very page you quoted from.

I know, I know, it’s out of fashion to follow links, meaning that anyone can make up shit about something and hope nobody clicks the link, but I really don’t think that happened here.

430 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 7:10:47pm

re: #400 Killgore Trout

Did I miss this in the Think Progress reporting?
Police Kill 16-Year-Old They Say Pointed a Handgun

Yeah, you did:

When the police asked him to “show his hands,” they claim Gray turned around and pointed a gun at the officers, who fired 11 rounds. The weapon police say belonged to Gray was not fired.

431 kirkspencer  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 7:11:07pm

re: #425 lawhawk

What we know: A 16-year old, Kimani Gray, was killed after NYPD approached.

A gun - a 38 caliber revolved was recovered. The gun had four live rounds.

Sources claim that Gray was holding the gun for others. Police say he was acting suspiciously.

NYPD indicates that Gray had multiple priors.

NYPD Witnesses claim that Gray was adjusting his waistband when he was shot.

Witnesses claim that that wasn’t the case. NYPD claims Gray pulled weapon out and pointed it at them.

Forensics will tell only so much. Did Gray actually pull the gun? Did he fire it at police? Was he shot in the back? Was he running?

Forensics wont tell whether police said that they’d shoot him again once Gray was down on the ground.

But emotions are running high and there are reports of a disorderly gathering - not exactly a riot - that occurred earlier tonight that has since dispersed.

Corrections made in quote above. Sourcing from story.

432 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 7:11:07pm

re: #407 Killgore Trout

TP made no mention of the loaded handgun he pointed at police which was recovered at the scene. I think that’s an important detail worth mention.

re: #423 Killgore Trout

It’s not just a claim. So far the “claim” is backed by evidence in the form of loaded gun recovered at the scene. That’s an important detail.

Damn. That moving goalpost almost took my hand off.

433 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 7:15:15pm

re: #425 lawhawk

What we know: A 16-year old, Kimani Gray, was killed after NYPD approached.

I have questions as well as to whether there’s a difference between “pointing a gun at police” and “pointing a gun at random people who you don’t know are cops cuz they’re undercover.”

I’m not saying the police shouldn’t return fire if they’re think they’re in danger while undercover, but I do think there’s still a valid question about whether or not the kid felt threatened by the undercover police.

434 Gus  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 7:16:35pm
435 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 7:18:08pm

Wingnuts still doing the hate & rage thing at #askFLOTUS

436 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 7:18:39pm
437 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 7:19:05pm
438 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 7:19:22pm
439 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 7:21:17pm

I’ll take this trash downstairs.

440 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 7:22:10pm

You see, when police say something, that’s what fucking happened. Reporters shouldn’t even then report it as something police said, they should report it as an undeniable, unquestionable truth, the Word of God.

Anything less is anarchy.

441 dragonath  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 7:24:26pm

About those Brooklyn cops, courtesy of ggt:

Police Beat Woman, Shackle Her to Hospital Bed for 17 Days

442 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 7:24:53pm

re: #433 Shvaughn

I have questions as well as to whether there’s a difference between “pointing a gun at police” and “pointing a gun at random people who you don’t know are cops cuz they’re undercover.”

I’m not saying the police shouldn’t return fire if they’re think they’re in danger while undercover, but I do think there’s still a valid question about whether or not the kid felt threatened by the undercover police.

In general it doesn’t matter. It especially doesn’t matter when the kid is five years too young to even legally own a handgun.

443 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 7:25:34pm

re: #420 Gus

OK, now that Unite Blue is getting freaking weird.

Have you noticed there is a lot of posting to UniteBlue by wingnuts from TGDN?

I have seen some moonbat crap from Tweeters with the UniteBlue logo on their avi’s, but most of the freaking weird shit that you see is from TGDN wingnuts having “fun” with TEH RETARTED LIBRULZ.

444 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 7:27:02pm

re: #440 goddamnedfrank

You see, when police say something, that’s what fucking happened. Reporters shouldn’t even then report it as something police said, they should report it as an undeniable, unquestionable truth, the Word of God.

Anything less is anarchy.

The NYPD is a pretty honest force, Frank. I’m inclined to give their words great weight, though I do not foreclose the possibility they were wrong. But it should be noted that the rate of shootings by NYPD officers is very low, and a good deal of effort is put into keeping it low. The NYPD doesn’t see itself as being in the business of shooting people if it can possibly avoid it.

445 engineer cat  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 7:27:53pm

i think i have Daylight Savings Brain

better go home

446 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 7:28:40pm

re: #433 Shvaughn

I have questions as well as to whether there’s a difference between “pointing a gun at police” and “pointing a gun at random people who you don’t know are cops cuz they’re undercover.”

I’m not saying the police shouldn’t return fire if they’re think they’re in danger while undercover, but I do think there’s still a valid question about whether or not the kid felt threatened by the undercover police.

That wouldn’t make the police who shot him unjustified, though. They’d still be justified in returning fire after being fired upon.

447 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 7:29:49pm

re: #446 Dark_Falcon

That wouldn’t make the police who shot him unjustified, though. They’d still be justified in returning fire after being fired upon.

I don’t disagree.

Note that they didn’t return fire though; they weren’t fired on, in this case.

448 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 7:30:11pm

Is this Patty a Fake-Quote-spamming bot? It hasn’t blocked me, so my guess is yeah it’s a bot. WHY?

449 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 7:33:06pm

re: #446 Dark_Falcon

That wouldn’t make the police who shot him unjustified, though. They’d still be justified in returning fire after being fired upon.

There’s no indication that Gray fired the gun. It appears that the officers fired without Gray firing.

450 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 7:34:20pm

re: #444 Dark_Falcon

The NYPD is a pretty honest force, Frank. I’m inclined to give their words great weight, though I do not foreclose the possibility they were wrong. But it should be noted that the rate of shootings by NYPD officers is very low, and a good deal of effort is put into keeping it low. The NYPD doesn’t see itself as being in the business of shooting people if it can possibly avoid it.

It’s still a claim. And you have a history of cheering warrantless fourth amendment violations by the NYPD, who’s stop and frisk program finds guns only 0.2% of the time. That means a lot of completely made up, not honest, pretextual bullshit is being written down in an attempt to justify these searches.

451 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 7:37:54pm

re: #442 goddamnedfrank

In general it doesn’t matter. It especially doesn’t matter when the kid is five years too young to even legally own a handgun.

Of course he wasn’t a legal gun owner. Judging by the evidence we have so far from reliable sources the shooting was probably justified. It’s irresponsible and dangerous to spread rumors about a child returning from a baby shower while adjusting his pants being executed by police.Stoking ethnic tensions and anti-government conspiracy theories can have consequences. It’s irresponsible and reckless.

452 dragonath  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 7:38:24pm

2013 White House Easter Egg Roll

135 Years of Fun

On Monday April 1, 2013, the White House will host the 135th annual White House Easter Egg Roll. More than 35,000 people will be joining us for activities outside, inside, and on top of the White House. This year’s theme is “What goes around comes around”.

Image: 2013-logo-gif.gif

453 dragonath  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 7:38:57pm

This is all part of the War on Easter, of course.

454 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 7:39:24pm

I wonder if it was really a riot or not, tonight.

455 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 7:39:27pm

Image: iraqreconwaste-labeled.jpg

456 SpaceJesus  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 7:41:07pm

“Guns should be illegal. All gun owners are paranoid lunatics.” - Benjamin Franklin

457 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 7:41:27pm

re: #451 Killgore Trout

Of course he wasn’t a legal gun owner. Judging by the evidence we have so far from reliable sources the shooting was probably justified. It’s irresponsible and dangerous to spread rumors about a child returning from a baby shower while adjusting his pants being executed by police.Stoking ethnic tensions and anti-government conspiracy theories can have consequences. It’s irresponsible and reckless.

Are you feeling faint? Do you need smelling salts?

458 dragonath  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 7:42:05pm

re: #451 Killgore Trout

Ok, now I’m “claiming” you’re being an sanctimonious troll.

459 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 7:44:50pm

re: #457 Shvaughn

Are you feeling faint? Do you need smelling salts?

It’s not being a pansy to note that spouting conspiracy theories can cause societal trouble. Hell, we say that here on a host of issues. This is simply one of them. Let’s wait for the investigation, shall we, before reaching any hard and fast conclusions.

460 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 7:45:07pm

re: #408 lawhawk

I’d only worry if they were buying up all the silver. Gold does nothing against vampires. Silver, on the other hand, is great for dealing with werewolves, vampires, and other things that go bump in the night. /

That’s because Jesus Christ was sold for thirty pieces of silver, and the metal has been working on repentance ever since.

461 SpaceJesus  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 7:45:20pm

‘An armed mob can trample on the rights of the individual just as much as a government can. Firearms are a threat to liberty.” John Adams, quoting Tupac

462 Stanley Sea  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 7:45:28pm

re: #444 Dark_Falcon

The NYPD is a pretty honest force, Frank. I’m inclined to give their words great weight, though I do not foreclose the possibility they were wrong. But it should be noted that the rate of shootings by NYPD officers is very low, and a good deal of effort is put into keeping it low. The NYPD doesn’t see itself as being in the business of shooting people if it can possibly avoid it.

Dark, logically, thoughtfully, how in the HELL do you assume this? Because of the NY part of their name? Legacy good will. You actually have no idea.

463 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 7:45:33pm

re: #454 Shvaughn

I’d lean against it being a riot and call it a protest - disturbance at most. I haven’t seen any reports of any kind of damage done. Some strewn trash is about all I’ve seen. If it was a riot, it would have been top news tonight on the evening news. That wasn’t the case. Riots tend to make news in NYC - especially with an officer involved shooting.

Few more details about shooting: [Link: nymag.com…]

An unnamed 19-year-old who witnessed the incident told NBC New York that he didn’t think that the officers identified had themselves as police. “It all happened so fast. I didn’t even know they were officers,” he said. “I didn’t hear them say a thing.” 16-year-old Devonte Brown told the New York Post that he heard Gray yell “Stop! I’m not running,” as the cops opened fire. Gray never fired his gun, though it was later found to be loaded.

464 kirkspencer  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 7:46:07pm

re: #451 Killgore Trout

Of course he wasn’t a legal gun owner. Judging by the evidence we have so far from reliable sources the shooting was probably justified. It’s irresponsible and dangerous to spread rumors about a child returning from a baby shower while adjusting his pants being executed by police.Stoking ethnic tensions and anti-government conspiracy theories can have consequences. It’s irresponsible and reckless.

No. Judging by the evidence we have so far the shooting was not justified. Not based solely on what we have, which isn’t the testimony but is instead what the spokespeople claim is the testimony.

Did the police give the kid an order to drop the weapon? I don’t see that statement anywhere.

“He turned and was holding a gun so I thought my life was in danger” is a defense in some cases. However, officers are held to a higher standard. Among other things they must - unless shooting begins - make the attempt to resolve the situation peaceably.

Based solely on the information to hand at this time the shooting was not reasonable.

465 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 7:46:30pm

re: #459 Dark_Falcon

It’s not being a pansy to note that spouting conspiracy theories can cause societal trouble. Hell, we say that here on a host of issues. This is simply one of them. Let’s wait for the investigation, shall we, before reaching any hard and fast conclusions.

One of the ways that you “wait for the investigation before reaching hard and fast conclusions” is, for example, stating that the claims of the police are at this point only claims, and not absolute facts.

The police claim he tried to kill them. Of course they’ll claim that. We don’t know yet if that’s a fact, and to report it as such is irresponsible and dishonest.

466 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 7:47:58pm

Röhm revolvers, by the way, are considered to be among the cheapest and absolute worst handguns ever made. John Hinkley Jr. used one in his failed attempt to kill Reagan. Below is a Youtube video review by someone who owns one:

Youtube Video
467 dragonath  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 7:49:17pm

I’m kind of amused that the Bay City Rollers are reuniting at the WH Egg Roll.

why does Obama hate America

468 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 7:49:33pm

re: #463 lawhawk

I’d lean against it being a riot and call it a protest - disturbance at most. I haven’t seen any reports of any kind of damage done

Here’s a picture that purports to be from the protest/riot:

Image: screen_shot_2013-03-11_at_10.37.05_pm.png

To me, that looks like a protest and not a riot, but I’m not there.

469 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 7:50:44pm

re: #465 Shvaughn

One of the ways that you “wait for the investigation before reaching hard and fast conclusions” is, for example, stating that the claims of the police are at this point only claims, and not absolute facts.

The police claim he tried to kill them. Of course they’ll claim that. We don’t know yet if that’s a fact, and to report it as such is irresponsible and dishonest.

To be clear, I did not do that. I give the NYPD a pretty large benefit of the doubt, but I know that this sort of shooting needs to be investigated and judgement must be withheld pending the results of same.

470 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 7:51:34pm

“I know the rifle association will be against it, the gun makers will be against it.” But “people should not have handguns.” - Richard Nixon

Actual quote

471 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 7:51:46pm

re: #469 Dark_Falcon

To be clear, I did not do that. I give the NYPD a pretty large benefit of the doubt, but I know that this sort of shooting needs to be investigated and judgement must be withheld pending the results of same.

Well, good. Cuz earlier in the thread you were vouching for the honesty of the NYPD and backing up Trout when he objected to “claims.”

472 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 7:53:01pm

re: #468 Shvaughn

Here’s a picture that purports to be from the protest/riot:

Image: screen_shot_2013-03-11_at_10.37.05_pm.png

To me, that looks like a protest and not a riot, but I’m not there.

Agreed, but its going to be called a “riot” by the wingnuts. Whatever actually happened in the shooting or the protest that followed, you may be sure it will prompt some vile racist filth.

Who do you think starts in with the racism: Weird Nut Daily, or the Freep Creeps?

473 dragonath  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 7:53:08pm

re: #466 goddamnedfrank

Poorly made Ernst Röhm revolvers are another back door gay nazi liberal gun control attempt on our freedoms

474 kirkspencer  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 7:53:53pm

re: #462 Stanley Sea

Dark, logically, thoughtfully, how in the HELL do you assume this? Because of the NY part of their name? Legacy good will. You actually have no idea.

Charges against Premo were dismissed at the beginning of this month because it was proven that 17 officers of the NYPD lied to the court. That’s enough people working in collusion that as of right now the NYPD’s trustworthiness is in complete question.

(Premo is the OWS activist who had his leg broken during the arrest. His claim is he was just standing there, a couple of officers charged him, and then a bunch more piled on. NYPD story was that Premo attacked from behind, striking and injuring multiple officers who then turned and seized him. Video turned up that showed Premo telling the truth.)

See also the post about the landlord mentioned by Dragonath and paged by FemNaziBitch. It’s the Post so it doesn’t get full credibility yet - but I’ve had friends telling me over the past few months that being black in NY is becoming a scarier thing when the police are involved.

No. NYPD credibility is not high right now.

475 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 7:54:30pm

re: #470 Kragar (Antichrist )

“I know the rifle association will be against it, the gun makers will be against it.” But “people should not have handguns.” - Richard Nixon

Actual quote

He also said some seriously sick things about Jewish people and said “Well, I’m not a crook.” after having broken the law.

476 Gus  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 7:55:09pm
477 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 7:55:14pm

re: #473 dragonath

Poorly made Ernst Röhm revolvers are another back door gay nazi liberal gun control attempt on our freedoms

Very good use of the reference.

478 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 7:56:07pm

re: #466 goddamnedfrank

Röhm revolvers, by the way, are considered to be among the cheapest and absolute worst handguns ever made. John Hinkley Jr. used one in his failed attempt to kill Reagan. Below is a Youtube video review by someone who owns one:

[Embedded content]

Oh, god that gun…
It the shittiest of all pieces of shits.

479 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 7:57:57pm

re: #478 Varek Raith

Oh, god that gun…
It the shittiest of all pieces of shits.

I like when he talks about the amount of shit flying back vs. going forward having to be at least 50/50.

480 Stanley Sea  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 7:58:46pm

re: #472 Dark_Falcon

Agreed, but its going to be called a “riot” by the wingnuts. Whatever actually happened in the shooting or the protest that followed, you may be sure it will prompt some vile racist filth.

Who do you think starts in with the racism: Weird Nut Daily, or the Freep Creeps?

Blah people gather in protest = riot. Same as during Bull Connor’s time. An excuse.

481 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 7:59:27pm

re: #476 Gus

Folks, we need to start pooling any silver we own. Because it seems clear to be that nothing short of a silver stake to the heart is going to kill that meme. Even sunlight doesn’t seem to work.

482 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 8:00:28pm

re: #472 Dark_Falcon

Agreed, but its going to be called a “riot” by the wingnuts. Whatever actually happened in the shooting or the protest that followed, you may be sure it will prompt some vile racist filth.

Who do you think starts in with the racism: Weird Nut Daily, or the Freep Creeps?

Free Republic already started.

483 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 8:02:16pm

re: #480 Stanley Sea

Blah people gather in protest = riot. Same as during Bull Connor’s time. An excuse.

I know, but it still wounds me. I work to overcome the hates I sometimes feel, and so it bothers me to watch other peopled decide to wallow in hate.

484 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 8:04:47pm

re: #482 Shvaughn

Free Republic already started.

Sick filth, as expected.

485 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 8:06:41pm
(Daily Mail) BREAKING NEWS: Chaos in Brooklyn as 100 teenagers ‘riot’ on the streets following vigil of 16-year-old who was shot dead by NYPD plainclothes cops

Surest sign that it’s probably not a riot: Daily Mail report that it is.

486 Gus  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 8:07:27pm

re: #481 Dark_Falcon

Folks, we need to start pooling any silver we own. Because it seems clear to be that nothing short of a silver stake to the heart is going to kill that meme. Even sunlight doesn’t seem to work.

The Forbes piece is the same title as PrisonPlanet. It’s the same story. PrisonPlanet is hosting it in addition to Forbes.

487 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 8:09:17pm
488 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 8:10:38pm

Damn, Rite Aid will fuck you up:

490 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 8:14:25pm

I’m definitely leaning towards protest not riot:

491 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 8:16:04pm
492 Gus  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 8:16:45pm

There is no riot.

493 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 8:19:16pm

re: #492 Gus

There is no riot.

Concur.

494 kirkspencer  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 8:20:02pm

re: #481 Dark_Falcon

Folks, we need to start pooling any silver we own. Because it seems clear to be that nothing short of a silver stake to the heart is going to kill that meme. Even sunlight doesn’t seem to work.

I like how the page displayed says less than 6 million rounds were used in any given month in Iraq. That kinda ignores the fact that the Army Logistics journal Army Sustainment discussed how the army was using 1.7 billion rounds just in 2005. Army.com confirmed it.

495 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 8:22:33pm

re: #494 kirkspencer

I like how the page displayed says less than 6 million rounds were used in any given month in Iraq. That kinda ignores the fact that the Army Logistics journal Army Sustainment discussed how the army was using 1.7 billion rounds just in 2005. Army.com confirmed it.

Ah, but those are official statements, put out to conceal the Terrible Truth until such time as Obama is ready to chuck all Real Americans into FEMA Camps!

496 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 8:24:07pm

re: #490 Shvaughn

I’m definitely leaning towards protest not riot:

Probably not a riot but a not completely peaceful protest.
Bottles Hurled, Drug Store Worker Injured In Riot Over Brooklyn Police Shooting

Angry Brooklyn residents threw bottles, and left a drug store employee violently beaten Monday night, as they marched to the scene of this past weekend’s deadly police shooting, 1010 WINS reported.
….
Rocks were thrown at the windows of the police station, while garbage and bottles were thrown in officers’ direction, police said.

The crowd then headed toward the scene of the shooting, in front of a home on East 52nd Street, in East Flatbush, Rincon reported.

During the march, crowd members rushed into a Rite Aid at Albany and Church avenues around 9:20 p.m., and assaulted a worker inside the store, police said. The worker was taken to a nearby hospital with a head injury, and is expected to recover, police said.

497 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 8:24:13pm

This guy sounds totally reputable plus the ALL CAPS really help his credibility.

Also, he rants about 9/11 government conspiracies and 1.6 billion bullets! Who could doubt this man?

498 kirkspencer  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 8:25:41pm

re: #495 Dark_Falcon

Ah, but those are official statements, put out to conceal the Terrible Truth until such time as Obama is ready to chuck all Real Americans into FEMA Camps!

Worse, Obama used his super-secret time-travel powers to make them as they were made while Bush was still president.

hmmm. Obama’s looking more and more powerful these days.

499 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 8:25:47pm

re: #492 Gus

There is no riot.

Yes, but anything short of celebrating this kids death is clearly a sign of some kind of sinister racial animus.

I mean, it’s not like the death…and the life that led to the early death…of a sixteen year-old is tragic unto itself; or that a ethnic community that has struggled with institutional prejudice might feel ambiguous about the legitimacy of the presented narrative; or, God forbid, a gathering motivated by uncertainty in the face of troubled, foreshortened life.

It’s all Lieberalzzz and their made-up martyrs and angry black people shooting all the jobs.

500 dragonath  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 8:26:24pm

re: #496 Killgore Trout

Probably not a riot but a not completely peaceful protest.
Bottles Hurled, Drug Store Worker Injured In Riot Over Brooklyn Police Shooting

Oh wow. You are so concerned.

501 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 8:26:43pm

re: #496 Killgore Trout

Probably not a riot but a not completely peaceful protest.
Bottles Hurled, Drug Store Worker Injured In Riot Over Brooklyn Police Shooting

No “probably” about it not being a riot:

WCBS 880 reported that by 9:50 p.m., the situation had calmed down. There were no reports of arrests or injuries. Police told WCBS 880 the melee was a “disorderly gathering of people” rather than a riot.

Police told WCBS 880 there were no reports of injuries or damage to property.

The one person accused of disorderly conduct was arrested at Snyder and Rogers avenues, police said.

502 Stanley Sea  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 8:27:16pm

re: #499 The Ghost of a Flea

My upding x 40

503 dragonath  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 8:28:23pm

Someone died. Clearly this means we need to pay more attention to the guy who said he got punched in the face.

504 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 8:30:45pm

re: #500 dragonath

Oh wow. You are so concerned.

I susupect the Rite Aide worker with head injuries is concerned,. I hope he has health insurance.

505 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 8:34:51pm

re: #504 Killgore Trout

I susupect the Rite Aide worker with head injuries is concerned,. I hope he has health insurance.

Gosh we’d better find out or something.

BTW, I wish I had AD&D insurance back in the day when my paladin got killed by a dragon.

506 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 8:35:38pm

re: #504 Killgore Trout

Stop it, Killgore. All you’re doing right now is pissing people off. If someone got punched in the head, then anyone who hit him should be prosecuted. That does not mean the protest was a riot. Or are you back is anti-OWS mode again?

507 dragonath  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 8:38:53pm

re: #504 Killgore Trout

Nice piece of disingenuity. Guess all that “ethnic tension” concern trolling was just that.

508 Thundermother(it will turn your head around)  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 8:43:02pm

re: #506 Dark_Falcon

Why should he stop it? He’s (t)rolling. It’s his thing.

Youtube Video
509 labman57  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 10:47:27pm

Breitbart’s lack of journalistic ethics at play:

When anti-progressive rumor mill is not supported by verifiable facts, bypass the more mundane story based on reality, publish the more scandalous rumor … and let someone else separate the wheat from the chaff.

510 tajsagay01  Tue, Mar 12, 2013 11:45:17am

lmao….. what a laughing stock


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