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1 Targetpractice  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 12:55:22pm

Know it might be an odd point to bring up, but he certainly looks pretty young for a 76-yr old.

2 Charles Johnson  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 12:55:39pm

Apparently he’s strongly opposed to gay marriage and gay adoption.

3 Beauzeaux  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 12:56:15pm

He’s just another piece of shit.

4 Targetpractice  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 12:56:24pm

re: #2 Charles Johnson

Apparently he’s strongly opposed to gay marriage and gay adoption.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

5 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 12:56:59pm

re: #2 Charles Johnson

Apparently he’s strongly opposed to gay marriage and gay adoption.

And contraception.

He’s was called one of the most conservative Cardinals at one point.

6 EPR-radar  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 12:57:33pm

re: #4 Targetpractice

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

An institution that believes it deals with eternal truth isn’t going to reform easily.

7 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 12:58:02pm

re: #5 Kragar (Antichrist )

And contraception.

He’s was called one of the most conservative Cardinals at one point.

Sounds stubborn as a mule.

8 ReamWorks SKG  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 12:58:38pm

It took him a long time to put on a hat and robe! It’s a good thing there’s no Bishop Olympics

9 dragonath  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 12:59:10pm

Considering his age, it’s like the Catholic Church wants to get the Peter the Roman thing on

10 Dr. Matt  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 12:59:27pm

He’s 76. They’ll be doing this again in less than a decade.

11 dragonath  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:01:13pm

Wanna bet?

/

12 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:01:35pm

I was talking with the extended family the other day and we were musing about who the new pope would be (for some reason I get asked about these things despite it being well known that I have little tolerance for organized religion). My only comment was to hope it was someone who would bring the church out of the dark ages when it comes to contraception etc. Sadly that does not seem the case.

13 Dr. Matt  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:02:22pm

re: #11 dragonath

Wanna bet?

$10,000

14 dragonath  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:03:19pm

lol

15 Randall Gross  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:03:53pm

He’s also on a pontifical council for the family that strong opposes contraception, so don’t look for changes there.

16 dragonath  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:03:58pm
In September 2012, he delivered a blistering attack on priests who refuse to baptize children born out of wedlock, calling it a form of “rigorous and hypocritical neo-clericalism.”

Well, I guess there’s that.

17 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:04:48pm
Habemus papam Franciscum.

Cui interest?

18 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:04:51pm

re: #12 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

I was talking with the extended family the other day and we were musing about who the new pope would be (for some reason I get asked about these things despite it being well known that I have little tolerance for organized religion). My only comment was to hope it was someone who would bring the church out of the dark ages when it comes to contraception etc. Sadly that does not seem the case.

Yeah the contraception thing is a biggie. They really really need to move forward on that issue. Need to on a lot of issues but taking a more reasoned approach on contraception would be a start in the right direction.

19 lawhawk  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:04:53pm

Pope Benedict’s lasting accomplishment was indicating that a pope didn’t have to die in office; he could resign and that has a liberating kind of event and change how future popes look towards the end of their papacies.

The election of a non-European pope was itself a significant change in church behavior.

It wont be immediately apparent whether Pope Francis will shift positions on any number of issues, and we shouldn’t expect a shift considering that he too was selected as a Cardinal by Pope John Paul II. It may be an incremental shift. One can only hope that he takes on the scandals more forthrightly and cleans up the mess left in the Curia.

I’m not expecting him to turn around and accept gay marriage or contraception, but it would be nice if he stood up for the notion that science and religion can coexist and each has a place of veneration.

20 Tigger2005  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:05:07pm

Another “safe,” extreme conservative choice, set in his ways, impervious to change, exactly the opposite of the young, progressive, visionary leader the church needs. Watch it slide further and further into irrelevancy.

21 efuseakay  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:05:14pm

re: #2 Charles Johnson

Apparently he’s strongly opposed to gay marriage and gay adoption.

You sound surprised…

22 BongCrodny  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:07:08pm

re: #2 Charles Johnson

Apparently he’s strongly opposed to gay marriage and gay adoption.

Let me be the first to say: “Lighten up, Francis!

23 Interesting Times  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:08:43pm

re: #20 Tigger2005

Another “safe,” extreme conservative choice, set in his ways, impervious to change, exactly the opposite of the young, progressive, visionary leader the church needs. Watch it slide further and further into irrelevancy.

They know they’re sliding into irrelevancy in the Western world, which why they’re now preying on Latin America/Africa. I shudder to think of how much sexual abuse by priests must be happening there, still being covered up due to the church’s power and lack of recourse for victims.

24 Bulworth  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:11:44pm

re: #19 lawhawk

Since most or nearly all of the Cardinals were appointed by PJPII or Benedict it’s highly likely they’re as doctrinally and politically conservative as those two. So change isn’t to be expected. At least not yet. I’m not a Catholic, but I do hope Francis and future popes can begin to gradually deviate from frozen orthodoxy and socially repressive ideas.

25 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:12:18pm

re: #16 dragonath

Well, I guess there’s that.

Well is the criticism due to the clerics not having orders from on high to deny baptism, or a belief that even out of wedlock children deserve to be baptized into the Church? And is the latter based on basic principles, or possibly a more secular concern about the behavior affecting membership?

Referring to it as “neo-clericism” sounds like the first reason is of higher precedence. Right decision for the wrong reason.

26 darthstar  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:12:30pm

re: #22 BongCrodny

Let me be the first to say: “Lighten up, Francis!

Francis…that name’s so gay.
//

27 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:12:44pm

re: #24 Bulworth

Since most or nearly all of the Cardinals were appointed by PJPII or Benedict it’s highly likely they’re as doctrinally and politically conservative as those two. So change isn’t to be expected. At least not yet. I’m not a Catholic, but I do hope Francis and future popes can begin to gradually deviate from frozen orthodoxy and socially repressive ideas.

I’m hoping for magical rainbow unicorn farts.

I think my wish will come true first.

28 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:13:43pm

I hope against hope that this Pope has the foresight and grace to focus on the real problems facing the world today, of wealth inequality, greed, and destruction of the environment. The tale of Jesus is full of him giving small, comforting gestures to people, not telling them to suffer. I am hoping that his chosen name of Francis reflects the fact that St. Francis is patron saint of the environment.

I hope that he realizes that demonizing homosexuality and failing to address the concerns and fears of the Catholic faithful in the wake of the (continuing) sex abuse cover-up scandal is not going to work, that he enters into a new period of transparency in the church.

I know it is far too much to believe that he would accept homosexuality, but at least he might learn that his hateful words about gay parents are the opposite of love.

29 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:14:05pm
30 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:16:04pm

re: #29 Gus

*headdesk* What a completely ignorant asshole.

31 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:16:05pm

re: #29 Gus

Wow. Someone really doesn’t know much about their church and it’s history. Probably doesn’t know much about their religion either. Guess I shouldn’t be surprised.

32 Destro  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:16:06pm

I know they will make a big deal about him being the first pope born outside of Europe in centuries but he is Italian one generation removed from a country full of European immigrants, many of whom are Italians. So it’s really not that radical a departure in selecting a pope.

33 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:16:07pm

re: #29 Gus

Stupid bigots will be stupid bigots. Wetback though, really, sigh.

34 Charles Johnson  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:16:30pm
35 Destro  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:17:03pm

re: #30 Dr Lizardo

*headdesk* What a completely ignorant asshole.

Is that a real tweet or an attempt at humor?

36 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:17:04pm
37 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:17:15pm

re: #34 Charles Johnson

Praising the Argentine Junta, classy!

38 ProBosniaLiberal  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:17:47pm

Well, British Catholics might be in for a hard time.

I get the feeling Francis is going to call on Catholics to support Argentina on the Falkland Islands.

39 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:18:00pm

re: #34 Charles Johnson

So Erick advocates violence against those who disagree with him.

He can dish it out, but can he take it?

40 dragonath  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:18:17pm

I dunno, after Papa Horribilis it would take a lot for this guy to reach that level. I’m hoping that the position opens his mind a bit, but these guys didn’t exactly become cardinals for fighting the orthodoxy.

41 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:18:48pm

re: #34 Charles Johnson

Stay Assy Erik.

42 EPR-radar  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:19:03pm

re: #38 ProBosniaLiberal

Well, British Catholics might be in for a hard time.

I get the feeling Francis is going to call on Catholics to support Argentina on the Falkland Islands.

One hopes that the new pope is not stupid enough to take sides with respect to the Falklands/Malvinas.

43 darthstar  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:19:06pm
44 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:19:16pm

re: #38 ProBosniaLiberal

Well, British Catholics might be in for a hard time.

I get the feeling Francis is going to call on Catholics to support Argentina on the Falkland Islands.

Possibly. Possibly not. Might simply hold his Catholicism as much more important than his nationality. And therefore not be that involved in Argentinian political issues beyond those between Church and State.

45 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:19:39pm

re: #37 HappyWarrior

Praising the Argentine Junta, classy!

Yes, because handing people over to the authorities for execution is totally something Judasrightwing Jesus would do.

46 ReamWorks SKG  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:20:07pm

Just a second!

Look at the photo! He’s wearing a WEDDING RING!

Image: 20130314-VATICAN-slide-5EOO-hpLarge.jpg

47 Destro  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:20:41pm

re: #46 ReamWorks SKG

Just a second!

Look at the photo! He’s wearing a WEDDING RING!

Image: 20130314-VATICAN-slide-5EOO-hpLarge.jpg

Gay marriage is allowed in the church but it’s to Jesus, who is a bi-sexual polygamist (nuns marry Jesus also).

48 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:20:54pm

re: #45 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

Yes, because handing people over to the authorities for execution is totally something Judasrightwing Jesus would do.

Seriously…. Oh and a lot of the victims of the Junta were Catholic clergy who disagreed with the Junta. So great job assholes.

49 wrenchwench  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:21:06pm

re: #29 Gus

re: #34 Charles Johnson

Holy fuck.

50 EPR-radar  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:21:16pm

re: #37 HappyWarrior

Praising the Argentine Junta, classy!

US RWNJs love RW military juntas in other parts of the world. It satisfies their deep-seated urges for wish fulfillment fantasies.

51 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:21:29pm

re: #46 ReamWorks SKG

Just a second!

Look at the photo! He’s wearing a WEDDING RING!

Image: 20130314-VATICAN-slide-5EOO-hpLarge.jpg

ITS A SECRET DECODER RING!

52 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:21:50pm

re: #50 EPR-radar

US RWNJs love RW military juntas in other parts of the world. It satisfies their deep-seated urges for wish fulfillment fantasies.

Yeah, Pinochet in Chile is another RW military dictator favorite.

53 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:22:38pm

OFFS

54 Charles Johnson  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:22:39pm

re: #49 wrenchwench

re: #34 Charles Johnson

Holy fuck.

Erick Erickson truly is a horrible person.

55 dragonath  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:24:12pm

re: #38 ProBosniaLiberal

Well, British Catholics might be in for a hard time.

I get the feeling Francis is going to call on Catholics to support Argentina on the Falkland Islands.

Why do you automatically assume an Argentinian is going to be a nationalist?

56 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:24:12pm

I’ll give this guy a chance and see if he can change anyone’s thinking about how we treat the poor and the planet but I won’t be holding my breath.

57 Interesting Times  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:24:41pm

re: #54 Charles Johnson

Erick Erickson truly is a horrible person.

Just goes to show conservatives can’t be trusted with any kind of power whatsoever.

On a related note, is there genuine evidence that this pope collaborated with military juntas? That’s rather horrific if true.

58 wrenchwench  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:24:43pm

re: #54 Charles Johnson

Erick Erickson truly is a horrible person.

So is John Nolte.

59 ProBosniaLiberal  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:24:48pm

re: #42 EPR-radar

Have you seen the stuff the Argentinean Government has said recently?

During a visit to London on 6 February 2013 the Argentine Foreign minister, Hector Timerman, claimed that the Falkland Islanders “do not exist” as such, they are British citizens in disputed islands.

Britain should have done diplomatic retaliation for that. I would have deported a handful of Argentinians in Britain with as little warning as legally possible to make a point. Argentina is quite plainly not getting the point, so Britain needs to become meaner on this.

Do we know what Francis has said on this?

60 engineer cat  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:25:36pm

except for the argentina part, the message i hear from the college of cardinals is this is Pope Nothing Changes

61 EPR-radar  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:25:44pm

re: #54 Charles Johnson

Erick Erickson truly is a horrible person.

Agreed. Red State is not the cloaca of the internet like Free Republic is, but taking present-day US conservative ideology and removing overt expressions of racism etc. from it doesn’t really improve it very much.

The resulting world view remains essentially psychopathic.

62 wrenchwench  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:26:02pm

re: #59 ProBosniaLiberal

I would have deported a handful of Argentinians in Britain with as little warning as legally possible to make a point.

What an assholey thing to do.

63 Charles Johnson  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:26:11pm

We know what the Vatican is definitely not spending any money on: web design.

www.vatican.va

64 Destro  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:26:31pm

re: #59 ProBosniaLiberal

Have you seen the stuff the Argentinean Government has said recently?

Britain should have done diplomatic retaliation for that. I would have deported a handful of Argentinians in Britain with as little warning as legally possible to make a point. Argentina is quite plainly not getting the point, so Britain needs to become meaner on this.

Do we know what Francis has said on this?

Why? Are you British? Mind your own business, Yankee.

65 Political Atheist  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:26:54pm

On one hand we need the church to be more conservative-Crack down on the sex crimes. On the other we want a more progressive Pope for contraception, gay Priests, gay marriage. Then on top of all that they need a man smart with money, good at getting after the corruption that has apparently turned up in Vatican city.

That’s tough waters to navigate for a leader of a billion people at any age. I suspect just looking in from a very non Catholic perspective that like the Presidency the office (?) is far larger than any and all of it’s office holders.

Should I go out for Chinese food now?

66 ProBosniaLiberal  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:27:02pm

re: #63 Charles Johnson

1998 Called.

They want their website back.

67 EPR-radar  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:27:12pm

re: #59 ProBosniaLiberal

Have you seen the stuff the Argentinean Government has said recently?

Britain should have done diplomatic retaliation for that. I would have deported a handful of Argentinians in Britain with as little warning as legally possible to make a point. Argentina is quite plainly not getting the point, so Britain needs to become meaner on this.

Do we know what Francis has said on this?

Why go nuts over rather ordinary levels of international relations dick waving?

68 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:27:20pm

(makes some popcorn and plumps a pillow on the couch)

69 darthstar  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:27:38pm
70 Political Atheist  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:28:04pm

re: #63 Charles Johnson

Is that MS Front Page ?!

71 Randall Gross  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:28:09pm

re: #29 Gus

The hilarious thing is that the new Pope is actually Italian.

72 lawhawk  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:28:23pm

re: #60 engineer cat

Not so sure about that:

CBS News papal consultant Monsignor Anthony Figueiredo said Bergoglio “did not want to be pope.”

“This man did not expect to be pope,” Figueiredo said, adding that Bergoglio’s selection is an “incredibly courageous choice.”

The new pope, who had a lung removed when he was a teenager due to a lung infection, reportedly got the second most votes after Joseph Ratzinger in the 2005 papal election to replace Pope John Paul II. Bergoglio is the first Jesuit to become pontiff.

CBS News reports that Bergoglio is not a favorite of the Vatican curia.

“This man now has a clear mandate from 115 cardinals to come in and clear out the curia,” Monsignor Figueiredo said.

Cardinals overcame deep divisions to select Pope Francis I – the 266th pontiff — in a remarkably fast conclave.

If he cleans out the Curia, then that’s a significant change. But like you, I’m not expecting doctrinal changes of any measure - like on gay marriage, celibacy in the priesthood, etc. On those, it’s going to be more of the same.

73 leftynyc  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:28:32pm

re: #57 Interesting Times

Just goes to show conservatives can’t be trusted with any kind of power whatsoever.

On a related note, is there genuine evidence that this pope collaborated with military juntas? That’s rather horrific if true.

Found this on another site. It doesn’t look good:

www.guardian.co.uk

74 darthstar  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:28:51pm

From Wikipedia:
Jorge Bergoglio was born in Buenos Aires, one of the five children of an Italian immigrant railway worker and his wife.

He really is Italian.

75 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:28:56pm
76 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:29:01pm



77 Charles Johnson  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:29:05pm

Argentina’s Pope Bergoglio a Moderate Focused on the Poor | Reuters

Bergoglio’s vocational success coincided with the bloody 1976-1983 military dictatorship, during which up to 30,000 suspected leftists were kidnapped and killed — which prompted sharp questions about his role.

The most well-known episode relates to the abduction of two Jesuits whom the military government secretly jailed for their work in poor neighborhoods.

According to “The Silence,” a book written by journalist Horacio Verbitsky, Bergoglio withdrew his order’s protection of the two men after they refused to quit visiting the slums, which ultimately paved the way for their capture.

Verbitsky’s book is based on statements by Orlando Yorio, one of the kidnapped Jesuits, before he died of natural causes in 2000. Both of the abducted clergymen survived five months of imprisonment.

“History condemns him. It shows him to be opposed to all innovation in the Church and above all, during the dictatorship, it shows he was very cozy with the military,” Fortunato Mallimacci, the former dean of social sciences at the Universidad de Buenos Aires, once said.

Those who defend Bergoglio say there is no proof behind these claims and, on the contrary, they say the priest helped many dissidents escape during the military junta’s rule.

78 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:29:12pm

re: #51 Kragar (Antichrist )

ITS A SECRET DECODER RING!

OMG HES A MUSLUM JUST LIKE OBUMMA !!@!111111!!

79 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:29:37pm

re: #71 Randall Gross

The hilarious thing is that the new Pope is actually Italian.

I read his father was an Italian immigrant. Not sure about his mother. But there are a lot of Argentines of Italian decent.

80 ProBosniaLiberal  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:29:52pm

re: #64 Destro

Because I get defensive over a loyal ally, asshole.

Oh right, you were the one who was hoping for another Bosnian Genocide.

81 wrenchwench  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:29:54pm

re: #65 Political Atheist

On one hand we need the church to be more conservative-Crack down on the sex crimes.

How is that conservative?

82 BongCrodny  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:29:57pm

In honor of the new Pope:

Tom Lehrer - The Vatican Rag

83 Destro  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:30:25pm

re: #65 Political Atheist

On one hand we need the church to be more conservative-Crack down on the sex crimes. On the other we want a more progressive Pope for contraception, gay Priests, gay marriage. Then on top of all that they need a man smart with money, good at getting after the corruption that has apparently turned up in Vatican city.

That’s tough waters to navigate for a leader of a billion people at any age. I suspect just looking in from a very non Catholic perspective that like the Presidency the office (?) is far larger than any and all of it’s office holders.

Should I go out for Chinese food now?

That’s a weird one because you do have conservative Christian churches that allow priests to marry, allows divorce and allows contraception (in marriage of course). They just happen to be eastern Christians for the most part - and in some cases eastern Catholics. The Catholic Latin west banned married clergy so that churches would not be handed down from father to son and belong to the Papacy directly. Contraception did not really exist in ancient times so that proscription is a recent one, etc.

84 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:31:22pm

Santorum: Obama Pushing ‘Godlessness’ on America

Rick Santorum and James Dobson are back together again, this time promoting Dobson’s “dystopian thriller” on Patriot Voices Radio, which is Santorum’s new radio show. The former presidential candidate said that the Obama administration is pushing “godlessness” and is “overtly hostile to people of faith,” to which Dobson agreed and predicted the creation of euthanasia clinics in the future that result from a dramatic decline in the birth rate.

Later, Dobson lamented that he has “never seen a time when there was less common sense in government than appears to be there now” and that Santorum was the only candidate who had “the guts to talk about the family” during the campaign.

85 EPR-radar  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:31:29pm

re: #65 Political Atheist

On one hand we need the church to be more conservative-Crack down on the sex crimes. On the other we want a more progressive Pope for contraception, gay Priests, gay marriage. Then on top of all that they need a man smart with money, good at getting after the corruption that has apparently turned up in Vatican city.

That’s tough waters to navigate for a leader of a billion people at any age. I suspect just looking in from a very non Catholic perspective that like the Presidency the office (?) is far larger than any and all of it’s office holders.

Should I go out for Chinese food now?

I would not say that going after the sex crimes in the church is a conservative position —- in fact, the cover up is to benefit entrenched powers and interests, so ending the cover up would be a liberal/reforming position to take.

As evidence, we have two successive conservative popes who were pretty much useless on this issue.

86 dragonath  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:31:59pm

re: #63 Charles Johnson

We know what the Vatican is definitely not spending any money on: web design.

[Link: www.vatican.va…]

That website was originally coded by St. Francis.

87 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:32:39pm

The new Pope has only one lung…

88 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:32:40pm

Pissed off.

89 Ojoe  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:32:55pm

God bless the new pope, he will need it of course. The name is a good portent if it harks back to Francis of Asissi.

90 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:33:37pm
91 wrenchwench  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:33:45pm

re: #88 Gus

Pissed off.

With good reason. But still not good for you. Break time?

92 Destro  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:33:47pm

re: #80 ProBosniaLiberal

Because I get defensive over a loyal ally, asshole.

Oh right, you were the one who was hoping for another Bosnian Genocide.

No, but Pope John Paul II canonized a Croatian Nazi collaborator / war criminal

www.fantompowa.net

The Nazi collaborator Archbishop Stepinac (right) and the Vatican representative to fascist Croatia, Abbot Marcone (left). Croatia has recently renamed a village in Krajina after Stepinac. Marcone was Pavelic’s confessor and Stepinac was convicted of war crimes after the war. Several members of his clergy were involved in the genocide at Jasenovac - notably the Franciscan priest, Pater Miroslav Filipovic, who was one of the commandants of the camp.

93 dragonath  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:35:34pm

Oh boy. This thread is going to be fun.

94 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:37:18pm

re: #91 wrenchwench

With good reason. But still not good for you. Break time?

Maybe in a bit.

95 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:37:30pm

Okay, I admit, I laughed at this one.

96 Destro  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:37:34pm

re: #80 ProBosniaLiberal

Because I get defensive over a loyal ally, asshole.

So I guess you support the British shooting down Irish Catholics in the street.,,,,,,,

97 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:38:09pm

re: #95 Kragar (Antichrist )

Okay, I admit, I laughed at this one.

New episodes in a month and a half!

98 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:38:39pm

I think the “Konway Tweety” account is “parody” you know, like the “Teen Twins Against Obama” account was “parody.”

99 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:38:59pm

re: #80 ProBosniaLiberal

Because I get defensive over a loyal ally, asshole.

Oh right, you were the one who was hoping for another Bosnian Genocide.

I’m not going to take sides in this but just because the Brits are a strong ally doesn’t mean they’re right. The Brits don’t cosign on all our bullshit for the same reason. Anyhow, carry on.

100 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:39:31pm

Asshole.

101 wrenchwench  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:40:13pm

re: #94 Gus

Maybe in a bit.

We have been replied to on an embalmed thread.

102 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:40:16pm

re: #98 Vicious Babushka

I think the “Konway Tweety” account is “parody” you know, like the “Teen Twins Against Obama” account was “parody.”

So what happens then? We don’t say anything when people say racist crap? I am getting sick and tired of fucking Twitter.

103 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:40:18pm

re: #100 Gus

Asshole.

Speaking of

104 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:40:43pm

re: #100 Gus

Asshole.

And this is why I don’t like Bill Maher. Really, I think it’s fair to criticize the past Argentine policy of hosting former Nazis but to broadbrush the whole Argentinian people like Maher is doing is racist.

105 Joanne  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:40:46pm

re: #98 Vicious Babushka

I think the “Konway Tweety” account is “parody” you know, like the “Teen Twins Against Obama” account was “parody.”

It’s hard to tell parody these days. I thought parody was supposed to be funny. Most are not (Ok, I loved @MexicanMitt or whatever the exact name was. That was almost always funny.)

106 Destro  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:41:24pm

re: #104 HappyWarrior

And this is why I don’t like Bill Maher. Really, I think it’s fair to criticize the Argentine policy of hosting former Nazis but to broadbrush the whole Argentinian people like Maher is doing is racist.

Do we give any leeway for jokesters?

107 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:41:56pm

re: #104 HappyWarrior

And this is why I don’t like Bill Maher. Really, I think it’s fair to criticize the Argentine policy of hosting former Nazis but to broadbrush the whole Argentinian people like Maher is doing is racist.

As was the US policy of hosting former Nazis for their own gain.

108 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:42:17pm

re: #106 Destro

Do we give any leeway for jokesters?

Sure, he can say whatever the hell he wants but it’s my right to call him out on it too.

109 Interesting Times  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:42:29pm

Damnit, why couldn’t the new pope have been this guy?

Papal contender: condom use a ‘duty’ in some circumstances

An African cardinal who is considered a possible contender for next pope has said that he believed condom use is not only a right “but in some circumstances even a sort of duty” for couples where one partner is HIV-positive, in order to protect the other.

Granted, he opposes them for contraceptive use, but at least it’s progress of a nanoincremental sort…

110 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:42:37pm

re: #107 Gus

As was the US policy of hosting former Nazis for their own gain.

Yep. We have no room to fucking talk on that issue.

111 Christopher's Bitchins  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:42:43pm

I really want to add to this pope conversation but I can’t think of a subject I care less about. The priest at the catholic church I grew up going to got kicked out after allegations of “inappropriate behavior”. Other than the systematic massive cover up of molestation and rape these criminals undertook I could give 2 shits about these cult leaders.

112 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:43:14pm

re: #105 Joanne

It’s hard to tell parody these days. I thought parody was supposed to be funny. Most are not (Ok, I loved @MexicanMitt or whatever the exact name was. That was almost always funny.)

Some “parody” Twitter accounts are an excuse to tweet racist shit.

113 Dr. Matt  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:43:14pm

The new Pope looks like my shop teacher from junior high.

114 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:43:17pm

re: #103 Vicious Babushka

Speaking of

Yeah, because the South was fighting for freedom (to keep other people as slaves)

115 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:43:49pm

re: #112 Vicious Babushka

Some “parody” Twitter accounts are an excuse to tweet racist shit.

I’m going to borrow this.

116 taserian  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:43:55pm

re: #65 Political Atheist

On one hand we need the church to be more conservative-Crack down on the sex crimes. On the other we want a more progressive Pope for contraception, gay Priests, gay marriage. Then on top of all that they need a man smart with money, good at getting after the corruption that has apparently turned up in Vatican city.

That’s tough waters to navigate for a leader of a billion people at any age. I suspect just looking in from a very non Catholic perspective that like the Presidency the office (?) is far larger than any and all of it’s office holders.

Should I go out for Chinese food now?

In terms of the horizontal tango, right wingers believe that what the Bible states is *all* that is allowable, and anything condemned is not allowed. Lefties tend to believe that consent on both sides is all that’s needed (with the caveat that anyone who’s underage cannot provide knowing consent).

Is there any middle ground to navigate between those positions?

117 kirkspencer  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:44:30pm

Just a reminder, there is more than one Saint Francis in the Catholic Church.

St Francis of Assissi, probably the most famous, founder of the Franciscan order, Patron of animals, merchants, and ecology.

St Francis Xavier isn’t a patron saint of any sort, but is one of the founders of the Jesuit order.

St Francis Borgia is patron saint AGAINST earthquakes, and OF Portugal. Of note, he was a Superior General of the Jesuits.

St Francis Trung Van Tran was a martyr saint, dying for professing Christianity despite imperial condemnation. More recent than the traditionally known as this was Viet Nam in 1858.

118 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:44:36pm

re: #107 Gus

As was the US policy of hosting former Nazis for their own gain.

Space program ***cough cough***

119 Destro  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:44:41pm

re: #99 HappyWarrior

I’m not going to take sides in this but just because the Brits are a strong ally doesn’t mean they’re right. The Brits don’t cosign on all our bullshit for the same reason. Anyhow, carry on.

I actually think the UK has a fair claim to the Falklands but to act like he is aggrieved when he is an American overseas and not involved in a war that got thousands killed is the height of American arrogance.

I see Argentina’s point and I see the UK’s point.

I guess I see in his attitude the old “freedom fries” mentality when he acted all upset. It also shows a lack of understanding for what diplomacy actually means and how it is practiced in real life.

120 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:44:58pm

re: #111 Christopher’s Bitchins

I really want to add to this pope conversation but I can’t think of a subject I care less about. The priest at the catholic church I grew up going to got kicked out after allegations of “inappropriate behavior”. Other than the systematic massive cover up of molestation and rape these criminals undertook I could give 2 shits about these cult leaders.

Pretty big cult in terms of number of adherents. And a pretty big pocketbook along with a large, well-trained, and very, very, loyal hierarchy.

Pretty much too big and too influential to simply ignore.

121 klys  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:45:25pm

re: #116 taserian

In terms of the horizontal tango, right wingers believe that what the Bible states is *all* that is allowable, and anything condemned is not allowed. Lefties tend to believe that consent on both sides is all that’s needed (with the caveat that anyone who’s underage cannot provide knowing consent).

Is there any middle ground to navigate between those positions?

I’m sure there’s gotta be something between missionary and the Kama Sutra…

122 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:45:49pm
123 Destro  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:45:51pm

re: #108 HappyWarrior

Sure, he can say whatever the hell he wants but it’s my right to call him out on it too.

I am not stopping you from calling him out. I guess reading a joke is more hurtful than hearing it in a stand up comedy club?

124 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:46:02pm

re: #117 kirkspencer

Just a reminder, there is more than one Saint Francis in the Catholic Church.

St Francis of Assissi, probably the most famous, founder of the Franciscan order, Patron of animals, merchants, and ecology.

St Francis Xavier isn’t a patron saint of any sort, but is one of the founders of the Jesuit order.

St Francis Borgia is patron saint AGAINST earthquakes, and OF Portugal. Of note, he was a Superior General of the Jesuits.

St Francis Trung Van Tran was a martyr saint, dying for professing Christianity despite imperial condemnation. More recent than the traditionally known as this was Viet Nam in 1858.

St. Francis De Sales is another one. Don’t know anything about him. Just that he’s the namesake of the church where my mother and grandmother attend mass. I assume this is for Assisi though. But Francis of Borgia is a good one to think of too considering as you point out his Jesuit connections.

125 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:46:27pm

re: #121 klys

I’m sure there’s gotta be something between missionary and the Kama Sutra…

Reverse cowgirl.

126 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:46:47pm

re: #123 Destro

I am not stopping you from calling him out. I guess reading a joke is more hurtful than hearing it in a stand up comedy club?

I dunno. J just don’t like Maher that much.

127 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:47:51pm

re: #118 Kragar (Antichrist )

Space program ***cough cough***

That’s the shallow end of the septic tank.

The truly horrid stuff was who we turned into assets in Berlin and who we recruited for Operation GLADIO.

128 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:48:48pm

re: #121 klys

I’m sure there’s gotta be something between missionary and the Kama Sutra…

There is only the Kama Sutra.

That is all.

129 Political Atheist  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:49:31pm

re: #85 EPR-radar

Yeah I can see that. I was going from the older measure of conservatives being the self avowed tough on crime guys. In any case it’s still a thorny time.

130 Destro  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:50:09pm

re: #126 HappyWarrior

I dunno. J just don’t like Maher that much.

What do you mean by that? His jokes? His personality? I think his on stage personality is him being an asshole (which maybe is his off stage personality as well up to a point - I assume onstage personalities are the amped up real you sometimes).

I don’t like or dislike Maher. I just laugh or don’t laugh at his jokes.

131 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:50:19pm

re: #123 Destro

I am not stopping you from calling him out. I guess reading a joke is more hurtful than hearing it in a stand up comedy club?

Given that Maher invests considerable long-windedness in being an atheist of the smug, everything-is-evil-religion’s-fault variety, it’s not exactly a certainty that it’s a joke.

132 taserian  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:51:43pm

Re-posting my comment from anon, since this seems more thread-appropriate:

My uncle is a priest in the Catholic Church, a lawyer who studied Roman Law and taught it for many years in college, and was until recently a two-star general (chaplain) in the Armed Forces in the Dominican Republic (where my parents are originally from).

My standing joke with him was that when he passed away, I wouldn’t know if he was going to heaven, hell or Valhalla.

133 ProBosniaLiberal  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:52:06pm

re: #92 Destro

Oh no, you don’t get away that easy. I distinctly remember you saying you couldn’t wait for the US to withdraw over budget pressures, leaving Bosnia unprotected. (In fewer and less direct words)

Also, I don’t trust websites that seem to come from 2000. Not to mention if we are going to judge all Bosnians based on the handful that sided with the Nazis (never mind we know of widespread dissidents), we can do the same of the Serbian part of the equation. Remember these guys? Responible for the deaths of 86-100 thousand Bosnians in WWII

And in regards to the IRA, yes, I am against them. The Republicans in Northern Ireland have never had more than 35-ish% support in polls. Not to mention the horrific stories from the bombings and terror attacks. Certainly the British response in a number of cases was stupid and caused unneeded misery. But in the totality, the UK holds the moral high ground against the IRA, and your apparent idol (from your politics at least), Gerry Adams. Who, if Taoiseach Enda Kenny is to be believed (He seems reputable), there is evidence that he was involved in the terrorism of the troubles.

Those Irish-Americans (and I severely doubt they count for more than a very rowdy minority of Irish Americans) who gave money to charities supporting those terrorists back in The Troubles should give an apology to the United Kingdom.

However, with your ability to comprehend things being comparable to a rock, I’ve given up on dealing with your barbaric idiocies.

134 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:52:35pm

South Carolina Republican Suggests GOP Opposes Medicaid Expansion Because Obama Is Black

Rep. Kris Crawford, a Republican from Florence and also an emergency room doctor, supports the expansion but expects the Republican caucus to vote as a block against the Medicaid expansion.

“The politics are going to overwhelm the policy. It is good politics to oppose the black guy in the White House right now, especially for the Republican Party,” Crawford said.

135 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:53:18pm

Here. Try this.

“Oh, he’s an Arab? Well, at least we don’t know if he’s a terrorist. Yet.”

Hahaha! Pretty funny aye?

How about.

“Oh, he’s a Muslim? Well, at least we don’t know if he’s a terrorist. Yet.”

Still working?

136 b_sharp  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:53:29pm

Holy cow. The wait was so suspenseful I fell asleep for 3 hours.

I fell asleep when there’s a new pope and I wake up and there’s still a new pope.

137 kirkspencer  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:54:02pm

re: #124 HappyWarrior

St. Francis De Sales is another one. Don’t know anything about him. Just that he’s the namesake of the church where my mother and grandmother attend mass. I assume this is for Assisi though. But Francis of Borgia is a good one to think of too considering as you point out his Jesuit connections.

and on and on. From catholic.org’s index of saints and angels (F) (removing Bl and all frances/francisco/other variations)

St. Francis Ch’oe Kyong-Hwan
St. Francis Trung Van Tran
St. Francis Xavier Bianchi
St. Francis of Assisi
St. Francis Borgia
St. Francis Caracciolo
St. Francis Chieu Van Do
St. Francis de Morales
St. Francis de Sales
St. Francis Fasani
St. Francis Ferdinand de Capillas
St. Francis Galvez
St. Francis Gil de Frederich
St. Francis Isidore Gagelin
St. Francis Jaccard
St. Francis Jerome
St. Francis Nagasaki
St. Francis of Paola
St. Francis of Pesaro
St. Francis of St. Bonaventure
St. Francis of St. Mary
St. Francis of St. Michael
St. Francis Pacheco
St. Francis Page
St. Francis Rod
St. Francis Solano
St. Francis Tchang-Iun
St. Francis Trung
St. Francis Xavier
St. Francis Xavier Can
St. Francis Xavier Mau

138 b_sharp  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:54:25pm

re: #128 Dr Lizardo

There is only the Kama Sutra.

That is all.

There is the Karma Sutra, which is full of up dings.

139 wrenchwench  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:55:21pm

re: #133 ProBosniaLiberal

[Four paragraphs of expository declamation]

However, with your ability to comprehend things being comparable to a rock, I’ve given up on dealing with your barbaric idiocies.

Ur doin’ it rong.

140 leftynyc  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:56:23pm

re: #131 The Ghost of a Flea

Given that Maher invests considerable long-windedness in being an atheist of the smug, everything-is-evil-religion’s-fault variety, it’s not exactly a certainty that it’s a joke.

His mother is Jewish but he was raised Catholic.

141 wrenchwench  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:57:11pm

re: #137 kirkspencer

St. Francis of St. Mary
St. Francis of St. Michael

Twofers?

142 jamesfirecat  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:58:37pm

re: #110 HappyWarrior

Yep. We have no room to fucking talk on that issue.

Once the rockets go up who cares where they come down?
That’s not my department says Wernher von Braun….

143 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:58:40pm

Lindy West’s Bottom 12 List of Worst Popes Ever.

If you’re a Catholic you should probably not click on this, but maybe you will anyway and then confess later.

144 Destro  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:59:34pm

re: #133 ProBosniaLiberal

I did not say I could not wait for the USA to withdraw from Bosnia. You mentioned that Bosnia was not a viable state and the Muslim Bosniacs should merge with Croatia! I found that funny that a Bosnian advocate like you claim you are would support the ending of the Bosnian state (just to spite the Serbs) and also reminded you that a union of Slavs already existed that worked to tamp down ethnic and religious conflict called “Yugoslavia” and that I find it funny that westerners who supported the break up of Yugoslavia now want to re-create it again. You advocated for a Bosnian state that relies on the perpetual placement of American military might there to keep that unviable state going. How long will that military deployment last? 10 years? 20 years? 30 years?

145 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:59:59pm

re: #138 b_sharp

There is the Karma Sutra, which is full of up dings.

Many years ago I had a girlfriend who was leafing through a copy of the Kama Sutra, and finally she turned and said to me, “So, basically, people in the ancient world had nothing else to do except come up with exotic sexual positions? Damn…..I was born in the wrong era of history.”

146 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 2:00:15pm

re: #143 Vicious Babushka

Lindy West’s Bottom 12 List of Worst Popes Ever.

If you’re a Catholic you should probably not click on this, but maybe you will anyway and then confess later.

Pope, Chelsea sounds awful haha.

147 kirkspencer  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 2:02:15pm

re: #141 wrenchwench

Twofers?

Dunno. It’s copy and paste and that’s what’s there. FWIW they’re both martyr-saints, martyred in Japan.

148 ProBosniaLiberal  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 2:03:10pm

re: #144 Destro

Because Bosnia is stuck between two larger, more powerfule states.

Croatia would likely let the Bosnians exist.

Serbia would not. Not by a long shot.

149 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 2:04:19pm
150 Targetpractice  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 2:04:52pm

re: #149 Gus

Well, Basement Cat had to start somewhere.

151 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 2:04:56pm

ni-CLANG! ni-CLANG! ni-CLANG! ni-CLANG! ni-CLANG! ni-CLANG!

Hey man, give me a break. I’m just a parody account.

152 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 2:06:02pm

re: #141 wrenchwench

Twofers?

St Francis Xavier is the guy who pretty much soloed converting Japan. A lot of his followers took the name or gave it to their kids. And at the time, Japan was doing its sakoku thing, and the Shogunate was draconian about catching and executing Christians.

Ergo, lots of people named Francis being martyred.

153 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 2:07:34pm

While you all were watching the new Pope, TGDN never stopped hating POTUS.

154 ProBosniaLiberal  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 2:07:49pm

re: #149 Gus

Holy hell, that little guy is so cute.

Set me up to adopt that little Fluffball!

155 wrenchwench  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 2:08:38pm

re: #152 The Ghost of a Flea

St Francis Xavier is the guy who pretty much soloed converting Japan. A lot of his followers took the name or gave it to their kids. And at the time, Japan was doing its sakoku thing, and the Shogunate was draconian about catching and executing Christians.

Ergo, lots of people named Francis being martyred.

Bryan Fischer doesn’t know what persecution is.

156 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 2:09:44pm

re: #155 wrenchwench

Bryan Fischer doesn’t know what persecution is.

No shit.

157 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 2:10:50pm
158 Political Atheist  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 2:11:04pm

re: #81 wrenchwench

Law and order, self avowed tough on crime etc etc.

159 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 2:11:10pm

re: #34 Charles Johnson

Okay, Eric, son of Eric. But if the dreaded Obama tyranny does come to pass you don’t get to complain. You’ve just come down on the side of extra-judicial murder for political reasons.

160 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 2:11:39pm
161 EPR-radar  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 2:12:15pm

re: #155 wrenchwench

Bryan Fischer doesn’t know what persecution is.

It is tempting to advocate that Bryan Fischer gets to find out what real persecution is like.

However, it will be more satisfying if his twisted and worthless perversion of Christianity peacefully ends up on the trash heap of history.

162 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 2:12:22pm

re: #157 Vicious Babushka

No asshole, kids need loving parents, and if it happens that they’re two men, two men, or a man and women, that’s fine. I swear guys like Fischer would without blinking an eye prefer to put a child in an abusive heterosexual household over a homosexual one because of his bigotry.

163 engineer cat  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 2:12:47pm

CBS News/New York Times Poll. Feb. 23-27, 2013. N=580 Catholic adults nationwide.

“Would you say the new Pope is:”

Boring : 53%
Boring : 36%
Boring : 7%
Fish : 32%

164 Inner Partisan  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 2:13:07pm

Let’s look at the bright side: Francis I is a Jesuit. So, unlike Benedict XVI, he will at least not flirt with creationism. Also, his chosen name might indicate that he’ll be quite vocal on the topic of climate change.

I understand everyone’s frustration that the new Pope seems a lot like the same old shit all over again.
But… baby steps, people. Expecting a reformer who’s cool with homosexuality, contraception and women in the clergy is simply not realistic at this point in time. The Church thinks in terms centuries - and from that perspective Bergoglio’s election is a step in the right direction.

We might see some meaningful reforms in our lifetime - but not much sooner, I’m afraid.

165 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 2:13:24pm

re: #159 Romantic Heretic

Okay, Eric, son of Eric. But if the dreaded Obama tyranny does come to pass you don’t get to complain. You’ve just come down on the side of extra-judicial murder for political reasons.

Yeah, it’s funny that guys like Erickson and Nolte whine about Obama’s “tyranny” but here they are pining up for Jorge Videla to put down lefties.

166 dragonath  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 2:13:26pm

re: #153 Vicious Babushka

Moozlums!

167 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 2:14:40pm

re: #160 Vicious Babushka

Same old Popes.

168 Amory Blaine  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 2:14:42pm

Good luck Pope Francis. Hopefully you can do some good for the world. We need it.

169 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 2:15:10pm
170 wrenchwench  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 2:15:22pm

re: #158 Political Atheist

Law and order, self avowed tough on crime etc etc.

Cleaning up after self, not so much.

171 engineer cat  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 2:15:31pm

re: #157 Vicious Babushka

Bryan Fischer @BryanJFischer

Pope Francis: gay adoption is discrimination against children. Why we are against gay marriage: kids need a mom and a dad.

yeah, well where were you when i was growing up? i could have used a mom and dad, too, but i would have settled for two (2) functioning parents of whatever sex

172 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 2:15:43pm

re: #167 Gus

Same old Popes.

Yeah, I was about to say, that’s not a shocking position for a Pope or really any high up cardinal to have on abortion.

173 Randall Gross  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 2:15:53pm

I’ll judge the new pope based on actions and words, like I did the old. I did not care for the old for several reasons, but chief among them was the outreach to SSPX and others of the extreme “traditionalist” stripe.

174 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 2:16:41pm

re: #173 Randall Gross

I’ll judge the new pope based on actions and words, like I did the old. I did not care for the old for several reasons, but chief among them was the outreach to SSPX and others of the extreme “traditionalist” stripe.

SSPX is the one full of fascist sympathizers and Holocaust revisionists if not out right deniers, yeah?

175 EPR-radar  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 2:17:02pm

re: #159 Romantic Heretic

Okay, Eric, son of Eric. But if the dreaded Obama tyranny does come to pass you don’t get to complain. You’ve just come down on the side of extra-judicial murder for political reasons.

Relatively soon now, we’ll probably see a US wingnut in office or otherwise prominent come out with this little variation of IOKIYAR: “Extra judicial political murders are only wrong if they are done by leftists.”

There are already some near misses for this theme (e.g., RWNJ slobbering over Pinochet in Chile).

176 wrenchwench  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 2:17:05pm

re: #164 Inner Partisan

We might see some meaningful reforms in our lifetime - but not much sooner, I’m afraid.

I did what I could — leave.

177 Randall Gross  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 2:17:08pm

re: #174 HappyWarrior

Yes

178 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 2:17:11pm

re: #155 wrenchwench

Bryan Fischer doesn’t know what persecution is.

It’s kind of a running theme with authoritarians:

Claim victimhood while dismissing all other cases of victimhood.
Then assert, via ones victimhood, the right to victimize others as “self-defense” and/or “retaliation.”

179 klys  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 2:18:06pm

re: #149 Gus

I have done my best to convince my husband that the reward for finishing my degree should be one more cat. I haven’t won though. :(

180 b_sharp  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 2:18:21pm

re: #171 engineer cat

yeah, well where were you when i was growing up? i could have used a mom and dad, too, but i would have settled for two (2) functioning parents of whatever sex

Same here.

Best things about my teens were the drugs and the alcohol. I don’t remember much else.

181 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 2:18:37pm

re: #177 Randall Gross

Yes

Thanks.

182 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 2:19:51pm

re: #172 HappyWarrior

Yeah, I was about to say, that’s not a shocking position for a Pope or really any high up cardinal to have on abortion.

183 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 2:19:57pm

re: #169 Gus

Looks a bit like L.C. (Cat I’m currently using as avatar.)

Talked adoption agencies with my accountant for a bit yesterday. About paperwork, ownership requirements, their openness about medical records, etc. etc. The accountant mentioned visiting one of the Philadelphia place back around Christmas, and that they were actually keeping one of the cats in a small 1/2 bathroom there at the shelter.

Then I told her that I’d adopted a “problem” cat that particular service was keeping in a 1/2 bathroom in February.

:)

184 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 2:20:58pm

You know the more I read about the actual you know Nazis the more pissed I get at people claiming Obama or really anyone in office today is like them. I’m reading that book about the American ambassador to Germany from 33-37 and there were actually attacks by the SA and other types on American citizens. Really, being told that you need a background check for a gun or that you can’t have a personal arsenal doesn’t even come close to what the Nazis were.

185 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 2:21:21pm

*sigh*

Here’s the other thing we’re going to be hearing a bunch about from now on:

WND Still Pushing “Final Pope” Pseudo-Prophecy

The “Prophecy of the Popes” first appeared in 1590, although it claims to record a vision received by St Malachy in 1139. According to the story, Malachy was given details about all the future popes, and and the list of 112 popes is now about to reach its end. However, the document consists of obscure mystical titles; there are no actual names or dates, and many commentators note that the “prophecies” referring to the period between 1139 and 1590 are rather more impressive than those given for Popes after the document’s publication.

Hal Lindsey is also an enthusiast, although “Glenn Beck’s End Times Prophet” Joel Richardson, who also writes for WND, dismisses the document as a “proven fraud”. Richardson, of course, would rather we focus on the prospect of an Islamic Anti-Christ.

So the televangelist eschatologists are going to be Up to 11 for a bit.

186 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 2:21:24pm

re: #182 Gus

Yep.

187 Inner Partisan  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 2:21:51pm

re: #176 wrenchwench

I did what I could — leave.

Yeah, me too. The whole “not believing in God”-thing didn’t really mesh that well with the Catholic lifestyle.

Still, there’s some sort of… sentimental attachment, if you know what I mean. Also, like it or not, the Catholic Church does have immense influence on large parts of the World’s population - like POTUS’, the Pope’s election is significant for pretty much everyone.

188 Political Atheist  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 2:22:26pm

re: #85 EPR-radar

I would not say that going after the sex crimes in the church is a conservative position —- in fact, the cover up is to benefit entrenched powers and interests, so ending the cover up would be a liberal/reforming position to take.

As evidence, we have two successive conservative popes who were pretty much useless on this issue.

Hmm. Look at the eligible cardinals. See any that look like they were all about loosening restrictions for the faithful, and getting more strict with the church Priests?

Me neither.

189 b_sharp  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 2:23:41pm

re: #183 Feline Fearless Leader

Looks a bit like L.C. (Cat I’m currently using as avatar.)

Talked adoption agencies with my accountant for a bit yesterday. About paperwork, ownership requirements, their openness about medical records, etc. etc. The accountant mentioned visiting one of the Philadelphia place back around Christmas, and that they were actually keeping one of the cats in a small 1/2 bathroom there at the shelter.

Then I told her that I’d adopted a “problem” cat that particular service was keeping in a 1/2 bathroom in February.

:)

I used to have a small black cat who used to stalk and attack people she didn’t like. She was really affectionate the rest of the time.

190 Randall Gross  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 2:24:40pm

re: #181 HappyWarrior

Welcome, they are also sometimes known as “LeFebvrists” after their founder, Marcel LeFebvre.

191 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 2:26:42pm
192 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 2:27:39pm

re: #190 Randall Gross

Welcome, they are also sometimes known as “LeFebvrists” after their founder, Marcel LeFebvre.

Yeah. Anyhow, interesting thing about Catholicism to me is how you have some Catholics who are really out there on the left. You know Liberation Theology types and then others who are outright supporters of Fascism.

193 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 2:29:57pm

re: #191 Gus

That’s too bad. He was a great drummer. RIP.

194 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 2:30:40pm
195 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 2:30:58pm

re: #184 HappyWarrior

You know the more I read about the actual you know Nazis the more pissed I get at people claiming Obama or really anyone in office today is like them. I’m reading that book about the American ambassador to Germany from 33-37 and there were actually attacks by the SA and other types on American citizens. Really, being told that you need a background check for a gun or that you can’t have a personal arsenal doesn’t even come close to what the Nazis were.

Reading about stuff like the Freikorps is why I’m so acerbic about the idea of less police, more amateur “citizens” law enforcement.

196 Randall Gross  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 2:31:37pm

re: #192 HappyWarrior

Yes, they do cover the full political spectrum from far left to far right once you leave the arena of sexual matters.

197 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 2:31:44pm

re: #195 The Ghost of a Flea

Reading about stuff like the Freikorps is why I’m so acerbic about the idea of less police, more amateur “citizens” law enforcement.

Good point. Good reason to be wary of Oathkeeper types too.

198 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 2:32:31pm

re: #194 Gus

I is so smart, I can see thru the vaxxines konspirathy. Ams totally difrunt from religious peeps!

#*smug derp*

199 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 2:32:46pm

re: #196 Randall Gross

Yes, they do cover the full political spectrum from far left to far right once you leave the arena of sexual matters.

Right. Though you do have some really extreme outliers who even support gay marriage, women being ordained, and contraception too. Not any of those in the mainstream though.

200 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 2:33:41pm

re: #198 The Ghost of a Flea

And that answers an earlier question asked about Maher. I don’t care that he’s an asshole. I have a problem with him thinking he’s the smartest asshole in the room at all times. No humility with the guy. It’s why I enjoy Stewart’s Daily Show more than Real Time.

201 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 2:34:07pm

re: #198 The Ghost of a Flea

en.wikipedia.org

202 Randall Gross  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 2:37:33pm

BTW: On the Falklands thing I support Britain simply because all of the people who live there do ( they held a vote the other day, Argentina got like three votes, probably their embassy workers.)

203 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 2:37:51pm
204 Inner Partisan  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 2:38:42pm

re: #200 HappyWarrior

And that answers an earlier question asked about Maher. I don’t care that he’s an asshole. I have a problem with him thinking he’s the smartest asshole in the room at all times. No humility with the guy. It’s why I enjoy Stewart’s Daily Show more than Real Time.

Word. In comedy, assholes can be funny, at least if they choose the right targets. Maher, on the other hand, is just a smug, egocentric douchebag who thinks himself of as much smarter than he actually is.
Of course, the fact that he’s a constant peddler of woo and spouter of unscientific bullshit doesn’t actually help.

Yet I still watch his show. Sigh. But hey, at least I pirate it ;-)

205 EPR-radar  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 2:39:25pm

re: #194 Gus

Send Bill Maher back in time so he could have a debate with Thomas Aquinas. Then Maher might not say such stupid things like religious belief being inherently incompatible with thinking.

US creationists are devoid of rational thought, but that is not the case for all believers.

206 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 2:40:35pm

re: #200 HappyWarrior

And that answers an earlier question asked about Maher. I don’t care that he’s an asshole. I have a problem with him thinking he’s the smartest asshole in the room at all times. No humility with the guy. It’s why I enjoy Stewart’s Daily Show more than Real Time.

Maher embodies this weird principle wherein people imagine themselves clever for not believing the same thing as their opponent, but lack the self-reflection to realize they’re using the same fallacies with a few nouns swapped out.

207 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 2:40:40pm

re: #204 Inner Partisan

Word. In comedy, assholes can be funny, at least if they choose the right targets. Maher, on the other hand, is just a smug, egocentric douchebag who thinks himself of as much smarter than he actually is.
Of course, the fact that he’s a constant peddler of woo and spouter of unscientific bullshit doesn’t actually help.

Yet I still watch his show. Sigh. But hey, at least I pirate it ;-)

Yeah, he’s also a huge anti-vaxxer.

208 Decatur Deb  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 2:42:05pm

re: #194 Gus

Can we stop this”Pope is intellectual” bs? Can’t be an intellectual if U think Unicorns r real, or Klingons,or obvious myths from Bronze Age

Says the anti-vaxxer.

209 Decatur Deb  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 2:42:27pm

re: #207 HappyWarrior

2 seconds.

210 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 2:43:36pm

re: #208 Decatur Deb

Can we stop this”Pope is intellectual” bs? Can’t be an intellectual if U think Unicorns r real, or Klingons,or obvious myths from Bronze Age

Says the anti-vaxxer.

“But I never said I was an intellectual!” Right.

211 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 2:44:11pm

re: #208 Decatur Deb

Says the anti-vaxxer.

And enthusiast supporter of PETA, which is either the worst-operated—or more likely a complete scam— animal rights organization out there.

212 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 2:45:01pm

re: #209 Decatur Deb

2 seconds.

Ha, sorry dude.

213 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 2:45:01pm

Wait! Got one for him.

214 Inner Partisan  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 2:45:11pm

re: #205 EPR-radar

US creationists are devoid of rational thought, but that is not the case for all believers.

A (Christian) friend of mine once said “American fundamentalists explain American atheists”.
Still, that’s no excuse to treat every believer like a moron. I’m all for opening many cans of righteous whoopass on creationists - but this Dawkins-esque brand of anti-theism that’s growing more and more popular just irritates me.

215 EPR-radar  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 2:47:29pm

re: #214 Inner Partisan

A (Christian) friend of mine once said “American fundamentalists explain American atheists”.
Still, that’s no excuse to treat every believer like a moron. I’m all for opening many cans of righteous whoopass on creationists - but this Dawkins-esque brand of anti-theism that’s growing more and more popular just irritates me.

Abrasive atheism is probably an inevitable reaction to the rise of a truly obnoxious religious right in US politics.

216 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 2:47:39pm
217 Amory Blaine  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 2:48:15pm

I saved a kitten once!! Little guy came out of nowhere from out of the woods. I was rebuilding a wall on a cabin, the whole wall was wide open. I was kneeling on the ground cutting 2 x4’s with a circular saw and he walked right up to the saw and sniffed it!! I never even seen him coming. It was still winterish close to spring. He was scrawny and looked like hell. We took him in fed him and when I woke up in the morning I discovered that he had taken a HUGE dump on my clothes on the floor. :/

He is the friendliest kitty. I couldn’t keep him because upon seeing my pet bird he launched himself about 6 feet and grabbed onto the cage with all his might. He looked like one of them cats you see on a car window. Luckily my mom kept him and he loves it there. He is like a dog. The cat even plays fetch. For hours if you keep it up. Throw the ball, he runs to get it brings it back and drops it right into your hand every time. He has a nasty respiratory problem. I call him booger.

218 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 2:48:28pm

Guess Bill Moyers isn’t an intellectual then.

219 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 2:48:44pm

I try to find a happy medium. I don’t like outright religion but I don’t like blind hatred for religion either. I choose my own code, my own journey, etc.

220 Mattand  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 2:50:20pm

re: #215 EPR-radar

Abrasive atheism is probably an inevitable reaction to the rise of a truly obnoxious religious right in US politics.

This.

I personally try to adopt a live-and-let-live attitude, but you can only be told so many times that you’re the cause of America’s or the world’s problems before you snap.

And as I said yesterday, merely stating you don’t believe is often labeled as “militant” or “abrasive”.

221 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 2:51:38pm

MLK, out.

222 efuseakay  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 2:53:18pm

re: #77 Charles Johnson

Argentina’s Pope Bergoglio a Moderate Focused on the Poor | Reuters

What if you’re poor and gay? The Pope would be in quite a pickle…

223 EPR-radar  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 2:53:39pm

re: #220 Mattand

This.

I personally try to adopt a live-and-let-live attitude, but you can only be told so many times that you’re the cause of America’s or the world’s problems before you snap.

And as I said yesterday, merely stating you don’t believe is often labeled as “militant” or “abrasive”.

Have you ever seen old-time US anti-communist propaganda from the 50s (I think its on the web, but I don’t know the search terms to use)? One piece I saw tried to make the case that atheism inevitably led to communism. “godless communist” wasn’t (and still isn’t) just a slogan.

224 Inner Partisan  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 2:55:06pm

re: #215 EPR-radar

Abrasive atheism is probably an inevitable reaction to the rise of a truly obnoxious religious right in US politics.

I know. I have to admit that when I first encountered creationists online in 2000 or so, I practically became a member of the “All Belief is Bullshit!”-Crowd, even though I’m not American.
But eventually I came to realize that believers are still human fucking beings just trying to find meaning in their own way. Yeah, believing in “bronze-age myths” might seem silly - but objectively, everyone believes some pretty silly shit. Even nihilists. Especially nihilists ;-)

225 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 2:55:30pm

I could also sum it up like this. I’ve run into plenty of people who don’t believe in “Unicorns r real, or Klingons,or obvious myths from Bronze Age” and still be complete morons.

226 Mattand  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 2:56:40pm

re: #224 Inner Partisan

I know. I have to admit that when I first encountered creationists online in 2000 or so, I practically became a member of the “All Belief is Bullshit!”-Crowd, even though I’m not American.
But eventually I came to realize that believers are still human fucking beings just trying to find meaning in their own way. Yeah, believing in “bronze-age myths” might seem silly - but objectively, everyone believes some pretty silly shit. Even nihilists. Especially nihilists ;-)

The problem is the Bronze Age myths are influencing political policy in America, to the point of making of us look like drooling idiots internationally.

227 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 2:56:43pm

Some won’t believe in God but believe in HAARP, 9/11 was an inside job!, touch therapy, homeopathy, astrology, etc.

228 EPR-radar  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 2:59:31pm

re: #224 Inner Partisan

I know. I have to admit that when I first encountered creationists online in 2000 or so, I practically became a member of the “All Belief is Bullshit!”-Crowd, even though I’m not American.
But eventually I came to realize that believers are still human fucking beings just trying to find meaning in their own way. Yeah, believing in “bronze-age myths” might seem silly - but objectively, everyone believes some pretty silly shit. Even nihilists. Especially nihilists ;-)

IMO, everybody makes some pretty significant choices about what they want to believe in or not believe in and how these choices will affect their personal lives. Absent provable conflict with reality, or demonstrable bad consequences, I’m not going to give other people static about such choices.

229 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:00:06pm

re: #227 Gus

Some won’t believe in God but believe in HAARP, 9/11 was an inside job!, touch therapy, homeopathy, astrology, etc.

Crystals.

I knew a young lady who was big believer in crystals.

230 Amory Blaine  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:00:29pm

I worked with a newagey guy who believed aliens dropped us here. Him and a hard right christian got into it at work. Wish I had popcorn. It was quite the sight.

231 EPR-radar  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:01:35pm

re: #229 Dr Lizardo

Crystals.

I knew a young lady who was big believer in crystals.

It could have worked for her —- many things are susceptible to suggestion and/or the placebo effect.

232 erik_t  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:01:47pm

re: #229 Dr Lizardo

Crystals.

I knew a young lady who was big believer in crystals.

Presumably she considered iced tea some sort of grave heresy…

233 Inner Partisan  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:02:03pm

re: #220 Mattand

This.

I personally try to adopt a live-and-let-live attitude, but you can only be told so many times that you’re the cause of America’s or the world’s problems before you snap.

And as I said yesterday, merely stating you don’t believe is often labeled as “militant” or “abrasive”.

The trick is to realize that the problem isn’t belief, it’s fundamentalism.
Hell, I’m probably more to the left than most people around here (to the point where I’m not sure whether I should label myself as a Social Democrat or an honest-to-god Socialist), but few people infuriate me as much as dogmatic, virulently anti-american leftists - precisely because they’re, in a way, “on my side”.

Likewise: Just remind yourself that the current director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State is a Christian minister.

234 b_sharp  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:02:38pm

re: #206 The Ghost of a Flea

Maher embodies this weird principle wherein people imagine themselves clever for not believing the same thing as their opponent, but lack the self-reflection to realize they’re using the same fallacies with a few nouns swapped out.

As long as they don’t use the fallacy fallacy.

235 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:03:45pm

Freeman Dyson, he’s out.

236 EPR-radar  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:04:15pm

re: #233 Inner Partisan

Likewise: Just remind yourself that the current director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State is a Christian minister.

Sensible US Christians need to support separation of church and state in the US to prevent the corruption of their own religion.

237 Shvaughn  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:06:22pm

re: #59 ProBosniaLiberal

Britain should have done diplomatic retaliation for that. I would have deported a handful of Argentinians in Britain with as little warning as legally possible to make a point.

What the heck is up with you and your fetish for collective punishment of innocent people??

238 Shvaughn  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:07:59pm

re: #74 darthstar

From Wikipedia:
Jorge Bergoglio was born in Buenos Aires, one of the five children of an Italian immigrant railway worker and his wife.

He really is Italian.

No, it doesn’t work that way.

239 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:08:03pm

Robert Goddard, no Maher soup for you.

240 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:08:39pm

re: #231 EPR-radar

It could have worked for her —- many things are susceptible to suggestion and/or the placebo effect.

That’s very true.

Me, I’ll take an ibuprofen for a headache. But to each their own.

241 Decatur Deb  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:09:07pm

re: #233 Inner Partisan

The trick is to realize that the problem isn’t belief, it’s fundamentalism.
Hell, I’m probably more to the left than most people around here (to the point where I’m not sure whether I should label myself as a Social Democrat or an honest-to-god Socialist), but few people infuriate me as much as dogmatic, virulently anti-american leftists - precisely because they’re, in a way, “on my side”.

Likewise: Just remind yourself that the current director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State is a Christian minister.

That organization was founded as “Protestants and Other Americans United for…” It was a Kennedy-era effort to assure tax dollars didn’t flow to Catholic parochial schools.

242 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:09:29pm

re: #238 Shvaughn

No, it doesn’t work that way.

Seriously. That’s a no fly zone. That would like saying if someone that was born in the USA of Puerto Rican parents that “well, he’s really Puerto Rican.”

243 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:09:52pm

re: #232 erik_t

Presumably she considered iced tea some sort of grave heresy…

She got into a rather heated debate a born-again Christian fundamentalist. Oh man….that was something. Seriously - I thought it was going to come to blows.

244 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:10:23pm

re: #74 darthstar

From Wikipedia:
Jorge Bergoglio was born in Buenos Aires, one of the five children of an Italian immigrant railway worker and his wife.

He really is Italian.

Italian enough to get him elected Pope, I guess.

245 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:11:13pm

re: #243 Dr Lizardo

She got into a rather heated debate a born-again Christian fundamentalist. Oh man….that was something. Seriously - I thought it was going to come to blows.

I think Jesus had an opinion on believers being judgmental and violent…something about a condition on who casts the first stone…

246 EPR-radar  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:11:26pm

re: #241 Decatur Deb

That organization was founded as “Protestants and Other Americans United for…” It was a Kennedy-era effort to assure tax dollars didn’t flow to Catholic parochial schools.

Thanks for that juicy tidbit. Hopefully, the name change for Americans United coincided with cleaning up their mission.

247 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:12:53pm

re: #238 Shvaughn

No, it doesn’t work that way.

This is an interesting question.

If you are born to two full blooded Italians in Britain for example, are you rightly called Italian or rightly called British? I suppose the term would be British Italian?

248 Inner Partisan  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:13:07pm

re: #241 Decatur Deb

That organization was founded as “Protestants and Other Americans United for…” It was a Kennedy-era effort to assure tax dollars didn’t flow to Catholic parochial schools.

Well, damn. I did not know that.

249 freetoken  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:13:30pm
250 Mattand  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:13:42pm

re: #246 EPR-radar

Thanks for that juicy tidbit. Hopefully, the name change for Americans United coincided with cleaning up their mission.

LOL, that’s what the friggin’ Office of Faith-Based Initiatives is for.

251 Mattand  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:16:20pm

re: #249 freetoken

Shape shifting:

1,200-year-old Egyptian text describes a shape-shifting Jesus

So Jesus was in the first lineup of the X-men. Who knew?

252 Inner Partisan  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:17:27pm

re: #247 Eclectic Cyborg

This is an interesting question.

If you are born to two full blooded Italians in Britain for example, are you rightly called Italian or rightly called British? I suppose the term would be British Italian?

“British Italian” is fine. “Really Italian” isn’t. When it comes to nationality, it’s nurture all the way. There is, in fact, no nature whatsoever in that equation.

253 freetoken  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:19:31pm

Doe-eyed scientists visit atavism champion, find it hard work:

Climate Science Day Proves Exhilarating, Exhausting for Three Scientists

Rick Katz and his colleagues from Colorado were a bit apprehensive as they set out on Climate Science Day for an early morning Capitol Hill meeting. Their host, Rep. Doug Lamborn (R-Colorado), “is on the record as being skeptical that climate change is being caused by humans,” said Katz, a statistician at the National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR) in Boulder.

[…]

Lamborn is from Colorado Springs, and is exactly what one would expect theocrats to elect. Remember this little delight?

254 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:20:20pm

Let me put it another way.

If two parents come to the USA from Mexico and have a baby in the USA that baby is not Mexican.

255 Shvaughn  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:20:31pm

re: #247 Eclectic Cyborg

This is an interesting question.

If you are born to two full blooded Italians in Britain for example, are you rightly called Italian or rightly called British? I suppose the term would be British Italian?

I can’t speak for Britain.

But if you were born to two full blooded Italians in America, we call you American.

(Or Italian American — note that in your example above the analogue would be Italian British, not the other way around.)

256 Shvaughn  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:21:23pm

re: #254 Gus

Let me put it another way.

If two parents come to the USA from Mexico and have a baby in the USA that baby is not Mexican.

Yep. That baby is American.

Not “really Mexican.” It’s xenophobic to think otherwise.

257 Decatur Deb  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:21:49pm

We have always maintained birthright citizenship—not sure all the examples in question do.

258 wrenchwench  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:21:53pm

re: #237 Shvaughn

What the heck is up with you and your fetish for collective punishment of innocent people??

Hey, it’s only a handful!!

///

259 Amory Blaine  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:22:19pm

People who’ve been here 12 generations still call themselves fucking German. Get over it!! You ain’t German.

260 Mattand  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:22:35pm

re: #249 freetoken

Shape shifting:

1,200-year-old Egyptian text describes a shape-shifting Jesus

I’m not following the explanation of Jesus being a shape shifter as the reason for Judas’s kiss.

The article relates that the new passages claim that Judas kissed Jesus because of Jesus’s supposed shape-shifting ability (which, BTW, is way cooler than walking on water; but not as cool as raising the dead.)

Here’s what I don’t get: so Jesus is in one form and Judas gives him the old two-lip smackeroo. What’s to stop Jesus from changing shape and lying low until Easter is over?

I mean, JC changes into say, an old man. How the hell does Judas proe he kissed him? Wouldn’t Judas need to be wearing lipstick or something to leave some identifying mark on Jesus?

261 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:22:40pm

re: #245 Eclectic Cyborg

I think Jesus had an opinion on believers being judgmental and violent…something about a condition on who casts the first stone…

Yeah, but remember…..that’s historical Jesus.

RWNJ Jesus said, “Always cast the first stone!”

262 Shvaughn  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:23:19pm

re: #241 Decatur Deb

That organization was founded as “Protestants and Other Americans United for…” It was a Kennedy-era effort to assure tax dollars didn’t flow to Catholic parochial schools.

They were founded in 1947 — I don’t think that’s really the Kennedy era.

263 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:23:24pm

My mom’s parents were from Spain. FOB. My mom was born in Buenos Aires. She was Argentinian. However, she became a naturalized citizen now she’s an American. I also became a naturalized citizen when my parents both got theirs.

264 Decatur Deb  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:24:18pm

re: #262 Shvaughn

They were founded in 1947 — I don’t think that’s really the Kennedy era.

That’s when they hit their stride.

265 Inner Partisan  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:24:40pm

re: #257 Decatur Deb

We have always maintained birthright citizenship—not sure all the examples in question do.

I don’t think that it should matter. If you were born in a country, and all your socialization happened in that country - you’re a national of that country, as far as I am concerned.

266 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:24:45pm

Argentina and Spain have interesting laws though in that I can become a citizen of either country if I show the lineage. That would require some work however.

267 wrenchwench  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:24:58pm

re: #263 Gus

I also became a naturalized citizen when my parents both got theirs.

Sound so organic and sustainable ‘n’ stuff.

268 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:25:11pm

re: #229 Dr Lizardo

Crystals.

I knew a young lady who was big believer in crystals.

I am a total believer in crystals. I like Svarovski and Baccarat, but Waterford and Miller-Rogaska are nice too.

269 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:25:14pm

Right of return. I think even my grandparents having been born in Spain allows me that for Spain.

270 Shvaughn  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:26:16pm

re: #257 Decatur Deb

We have always maintained birthright citizenship—not sure all the examples in question do.

Jus soli is the standard in the Western Hemisphere, including Argentina.

Image: 640px-Jus_soli_world.png

271 Amory Blaine  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:26:45pm

re: #268 Vicious Babushka

Do you own a bejeweler? ;)

272 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:27:02pm

re: #260 Mattand

I’m not following the explanation of Jesus being a shape shifter as the reason for Judas’s kiss.

The article relates that the new passages claim that Judas kissed Jesus because of Jesus’s supposed shape-shifting ability (which, BTW, is way cooler than walking on water; but not as cool as raising the dead.)

Here’s what I don’t get: so Jesus is in one form and Judas gives him the old two-lip smackeroo. What’s to stop Jesus from changing shape and lying low until Easter is over?

I mean, JC changes into say, an old man. How the hell does Judas proe he kissed him? Wouldn’t Judas need to be wearing lipstick or something to leave some identifying mark on Jesus?

Look at this way. In Islam, it says that Jesus wasn’t crucified but rather raised up to Heaven by God, and that God caused another man to be mistaken for Jesus, who was then crucified in his place. I believe, if I’m not totally mistaken, that some early Christians (very early) believed that Simon of Cyrene was crucified in Jesus’ place as well.

273 danarchy  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:27:45pm

re: #254 Gus

Let me put it another way.

If two parents come to the USA from Mexico and have a baby in the USA that baby is not Mexican.

I think they could be. Not sure about Mexico, but my father is a Portuguese citizen and by portuguese law that means I can claim portuguese citizenship if I want. I’ve considered doing the dual citizenship thing just so I can get a portuguese passport which would give me access to all the EU countries, but something about it just feels like cheating on the US.

274 b_sharp  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:29:32pm

re: #272 Dr Lizardo

Look at this way. In Islam, it says that Jesus wasn’t crucified but rather raised up to Heaven by God, and that God caused another man to be mistaken for Jesus, who was then crucified in his place. I believe, if I’m not totally mistaken, that some early Christians (very early) believed that Simon of Cyrene was crucified in Jesus’ place as well.

It was Brian.

275 Inner Partisan  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:29:41pm

re: #269 Gus

Right of return. I think even my grandparents having been born in Spain allows me that for Spain.

Same here in Germany - but we still, regrettably, employ jus sanguis. Still, I consider Turkish-Germans, for example, as just as German as myself (being of Polish ancestry), no matter what the law (or Turkish-Germans themselves, for that matter) might say.

276 darthstar  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:29:46pm

re: #238 Shvaughn

No, it doesn’t work that way.

I know, I know, he’s Argentinian by birth. But he does come from Italian parents.

277 Decatur Deb  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:30:05pm

re: #270 Shvaughn

Jus soli is the standard in the Western Hemisphere, including Argentina.

Image: 640px-Jus_soli_world.png

Yup—looks like UK doesn’t.

278 Shvaughn  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:30:16pm

re: #276 darthstar

I know, I know, he’s Argentinian by birth. But he does come from Italian parents.

That doesn’t make him “really Italian.” It makes his parents Italian.

279 Mattand  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:30:21pm

re: #272 Dr Lizardo

Look at this way. In Islam, it says that Jesus wasn’t crucified but rather raised up to Heaven by God, and that God caused another man to be mistaken for Jesus, who was then crucified in his place. I believe, if I’m not totally mistaken, that some early Christians (very early) believed that Simon of Cyrene was crucified in Jesus’ place as well.

GTFO. Really? That’s in the Koran?

280 darthstar  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:30:29pm

re: #269 Gus

Right of return. I think even my grandparents having been born in Spain allows me that for Spain.

I’ve got an Irish passport because my mother’s from Ireland…yeah, I’m a fuckin’ anchor baby, baby!

281 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:30:34pm

re: #260 Mattand

It was a Gnostic tradition. This view is laid out in Codex VII of the Nag Hammadi, the Second Treatise of the Great Seth.

en.wikipedia.org

282 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:30:40pm

re: #272 Dr Lizardo

Jesus could be another instance of borrowing from other religions as there were many in that time that had a christ-like figure. Borrow bits and pieces from each (or some stories outright) and poof, a story about a person born to a virgin who performs a bunch of miracles, challenges orthodoxy, provides hope to an oppressed people and is, in the end, killed and then rises again to “heaven”.

283 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:30:50pm

re: #273 danarchy

I think they could be. Not sure about Mexico, but my father is a Portuguese citizen and by portuguese law that means I can claim portuguese citizenship if I want. I’ve considered doing the dual citizenship thing just so I can get a portuguese passport which would give me access to all the EU countries, but something about it just feels like cheating on the US.

The new Pope is Argentinian. He was born in Buenos Aires. He grew there and was educated there. Everything he learned about society and culture was an Argentinian society and culture. He is a Porteño.

284 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:31:31pm

re: #276 darthstar

I know, I know, he’s Argentinian by birth. But he does come from Italian parents.

Ahem. Kenya. Cough.

285 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:31:40pm

What the heck is going on here?

286 darthstar  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:31:46pm

And to think Dick Morris said Romney’d be the next pope by a landslide.

287 Amory Blaine  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:32:07pm

Where’s the Popes birth certificate!!

288 darthstar  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:32:30pm

re: #284 Gus

Ahem. Kenya. Cough.

Yes, our President is half-Kenyan. (but American by birth) What of it?

289 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:32:33pm

DERP

290 kirkspencer  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:32:43pm

re: #273 danarchy

I think they could be. Not sure about Mexico, but my father is a Portuguese citizen and by portuguese law that means I can claim portuguese citizenship if I want. I’ve considered doing the dual citizenship thing just so I can get a portuguese passport which would give me access to all the EU countries, but something about it just feels like cheating on the US.

By the laws of most countries, you have citizenship of the nation of your birth and the nationality(ies) of your parents. Yes, this means tripartite nationality is possible. Some nations (like Japan) force you to eventually choose between theirs and the other(s).

291 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:32:55pm

re: #279 Mattand

GTFO. Really? That’s in the Koran?

Yes. Yes it is.
That they said (in boast), “We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah”;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-
Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power and Wise;-
—Koran, Sura 4 (An-Nisa) ayat 157-158

292 klys  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:32:57pm

re: #268 Vicious Babushka

I am a total believer in crystals. I like Svarovski and Baccarat, but Waterford and Miller-Rogaska are nice too.

They crack me up because they are actually the antithesis of crystals from a geologic point of view. It’s pure marketing.

293 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:33:12pm

re: #279 Mattand

want to really trip out on stories like that? Watch “The God who wasn’t there”.

294 darthstar  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:33:39pm

re: #289 Vicious Babushka

Bryan Fischer spends way too much time thinking about fucking sphincters…that man is obsessed.

295 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:34:17pm

re: #292 klys

They crack me up because they are actually the antithesis of crystals from a geologic point of view. It’s pure marketing.

It’s sparkly glass with a bunch of lead inside.

296 Mattand  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:34:51pm

re: #293 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

want to really trip out on stories like that? Watch “The God who wasn’t there”.

LOL, nice call back to earlier Dawkins refs!

297 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:35:24pm

re: #296 Mattand

LOL, nice call back to earlier Dawkins refs!

Seriously, it’s an excellent documentary it was a real trip to watch.

299 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:35:34pm

re: #282 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Jesus could be another instance of borrowing from other religions as there were many in that time that had a christ-like figure. Borrow bits and pieces from each (or some stories outright) and poof, a story about a person born to a virgin who performs a bunch of miracles, challenges orthodoxy, provides hope to an oppressed people and is, in the end, killed and then rises again to “heaven”.

I’ve read that before. The “Jesus-myth” theory.

Let’s be honest. I can’t and won’t put that idea outside the realm of possibility. I think it’s also possible that there was a Jesus, a rabbi or itinerant preacher perhaps like John the Baptist, who came to some unpleasant end at the hands of the Romans, but certainly not as it’s portrayed in the New Testament.

If Jesus had been tried by Pontius Pilate, I think that would’ve entered the Roman historic annals.

300 Inner Partisan  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:37:12pm

re: #297 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Seriously, it’s an excellent documentary it was a real trip to watch.

And a great soundtrack:

301 freetoken  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:37:23pm

Oooh…. NRO uses “conservatives” and “evolve” in the same headline:


How Should the Conservative Movement Evolve?

Doesn’t Goldberg know that God created Republicans in their current form?

302 Shvaughn  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:37:27pm

re: #285 Gus

What the heck is going on here?

His middle name is “Mario.” This means he’s really Italian.

//

303 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:38:19pm

re: #299 Dr Lizardo

Yeah, I think it’d be a pretty big deal to write about people like that in that time. I mean here’s a guy wandering around the desert converting people and raising the dead who basically is hailed as he enters Jerusalem. Seems he’d be mentioned more in the record books.

304 wrenchwench  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:38:25pm

Just got an email from the local Republicans, inviting me to their monthly meeting. Also,

Raffle Tickets for an AR15 will be available for purchase: $5 each/5 for $20. You don’t want to miss this opportunity!

305 Inner Partisan  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:39:04pm

re: #298 freetoken

Did somebody say… MONARCH??

(I apologize.)

306 Mattand  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:40:18pm

re: #299 Dr Lizardo

I’ve read that before. The “Jesus-myth” theory.

Let’s be honest. I can’t and won’t put that idea outside the realm of possibility. I think it’s also possible that there was a Jesus, a rabbi or itinerant preacher perhaps like John the Baptist, who came to some unpleasant end at the hands of the Romans, but certainly not as it’s portrayed in the New Testament.

If Jesus had been tried by Pontius Pilate, I think that would’ve entered the Roman historic annals.

I kinda lean towards that myself. It makes more sense that there was this political rebel 2000 or so years ago, and a lot of myth making got tacked on.

“Didja hear about that Jesus guy? He jumped in the river and saved someone from drowning?”

“No, no, I heard he walked on the water to get to him!”

I think someone else pointed out to that given the Romans penchant for record-keeping, Jesus would be mentioned somewhere. Hell, Spartacus got a mention. You’d think if the Romans would want to ignore something, it’d be a slave uprising.

307 freetoken  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:40:29pm

re: #302 Shvaughn

His middle name is “Mario.” This means he’s really Italian.

He also chases giant apes.

308 Mattand  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:41:02pm

re: #305 Inner Partisan

Did somebody say… MONARCH??

[Embedded content]

(I apologize.)

When is that damn show coming back?

309 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:41:32pm

Wingnuts can’t even comment on the new Pope without hating on Obama.

310 Amory Blaine  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:42:12pm

re: #298 freetoken

Omar Vidal, the World Wildlife Fund director in Mexico, said: “The conservation of the Monarch butterfly is a shared responsibility between Mexico, the United States and Canada. By protecting the reserves and having practically eliminated large-scale illegal logging, Mexico has done its part.”

“It is now necessary for the United States and Canada to do their part and protect the butterflies’ habitat in their territories,” Vidal said.

I wonder if we could in this political environment. Programs to monitor volcanoes get attacked in this country for Pete’s sake. OMG monarch butterflies and cow farts!?! Quick!! Someone cut food stamps!!

311 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:42:38pm

re: #303 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Yeah, I think it’d be a pretty big deal to write about people like that in that time. I mean here’s a guy wandering around the desert converting people and raising the dead who basically is hailed as he enters Jerusalem. Seems he’d be mentioned more in the record books.

Exactly. And yet the Roman histories are silent on Jesus.

This is pure speculation on my part. I think there may well have been a Jesus, an itinerant rabbi/preacher/firebrand/whatever who probably did indeed cause some kind of scene at the Temple during the Passover holiday. He was apprehended by the Romans, most likely, and a centurion ordered him to be summarily executed. Such a decision wouldn’t need the approval of Pontius Pilate - after all, this was the manner in which the Imperial Romans dealt with rabblerousers. The rest of the story is mostly elaboration and hagiography, inspired by religious ardor.

312 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:42:50pm

re: #309 Vicious Babushka

Wingnuts can’t even comment on the new Pope without hating on Obama.

Yeah how dare an American president live in the White House just like all his predecessors did. Or if you want to exempt Washington who still lived in the massive plantation, Mount Vernon.

313 Amory Blaine  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:43:18pm

re: #309 Vicious Babushka

ODS

314 Mattand  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:43:45pm

re: #309 Vicious Babushka

Wingnuts can’t even comment on the new Pope without hating on Obama.

Christ, that’s stupid by even Tea Party standards. I could probably retire on Benedict’s “economical” housing allowance.

315 Shvaughn  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:43:47pm

re: #312 HappyWarrior

Yeah how dare an American president live in the White House just like all his predecessors did. Or if you want to exempt Washington who still lived in the massive plantation, Mount Vernon.

The Obamas should live in the projects!!1!

316 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:44:20pm

re: #315 Shvaughn

He should have to pay for his own housing and security.//

317 wrenchwench  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:44:32pm

re: #315 Shvaughn

He’s already living in government housing, yet they complain!

318 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:44:36pm

re: #311 Dr Lizardo

Exactly. And yet the Roman histories are silent on Jesus.

This is pure speculation on my part. I think there may well have been a Jesus, an itinerant rabbi/preacher/firebrand/whatever who probably did indeed cause some kind of scene at the Temple during the Passover holiday. He was apprehended by the Romans, most likely, and a centurion ordered him to be summarily executed. Such a decision wouldn’t need the approval of Pontius Pilate - after all, this was the manner in which the Imperial Romans dealt with rabblerousers. The rest of the story is mostly elaboration and hagiography, inspired by religious ardor.

Actually there were very many Jewish rebels who were executed by the Romans. Several of them are mentioned in the Talmud, but only one got his very own entire religion.

319 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:44:40pm

re: #313 Amory Blaine

ODS

That’s not ODS. That’s just plain batshit.

320 freetoken  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:44:58pm

re: #310 Amory Blaine

When I was growing up, back in fly-over country, I remember lots of milkweed plants in the area in summer, and the many monarchs. As a kid we used to take the chrysalis into class to watch the emergence of the adult.

In decades to come, should I live, I will be one of those old farts who sit around a classroom and tell the kids “back in my day, there used to be these things called butterflies….”

321 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:45:42pm

I got just the theme for the new Pope.

322 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:46:18pm

Anyhow as for thew new pope. He’s Argentine of Italian parentage. So, yeah, that’s that.

323 Mattand  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:46:38pm

re: #320 freetoken

When I was growing up, back in fly-over country, I remember lots of milkweed plants in the area in summer, and the many monarchs. As a kid we used to take the chrysalis into class to watch the emergence of the adult.

In decades to come, should I live, I will be one of those old farts who sit around a classroom and tell the kids “back in my day, there used to be these things called butterflies….”

You should totally do it in a giant flying cocoon, surrounded by armed minions in yellow and black spandex.

324 Amory Blaine  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:46:48pm

Acute ODS?

325 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:46:49pm

re: #321 Varek Raith

I got just the theme for the new Pope.

[Embedded content]

Beats the Star Wars one Benedict has though I do miss John Paul II’s polka theme.

326 Decatur Deb  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:46:56pm

Finally got a decent sky, so trying again for PanSTARRS. Probably the last chance, since it’s past peak. BBL

327 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:47:02pm
328 Shvaughn  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:47:50pm

re: #327 Gus

Image: This-is-a-Kitten.jpg

I don’t like the watermark on the kitten.

329 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:48:13pm

re: #306 Mattand

I kinda lean towards that myself. It makes more sense that there was this political rebel 2000 or so years ago, and a lot of myth making got tacked on.

“Didja hear about that Jesus guy? He jumped in the river and saved someone from drowning?”

“No, no, I heard he walked on the water to get to him!”

I think someone pointed out to that given the Romans penchant for record-keeping, Jesus would be mentioned somewhere. Hell, Spartacus got a mention. You’d think if the Romans would want to ignore something, it’d be a slave uprising.

That’s all very true. Face it, the Romans were fairly punctilious at recording the news of the day, even if some of it made it into the history books as polemics. Someone like that, in an occupied territory, that would’ve been a big deal. Like you said, Spartacus got a mention. So why doesn’t a guy who’s walking on water, raising the dead, and single-handedly curing every sick person up and down the road to Jerusalem?

Either he never existed, which is one possibility, or he was such a small-fry that the Romans offed him before dinner and had a good chuckle about it over goblets of wine later that evening and then forgot about him, like they would about any petty criminal they’d executed.

330 thedopefishlives  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:48:16pm

re: #327 Gus

Image: This-is-a-Kitten.jpg

Ahh, warbird porn, just the thing to kick off an evening at home.

Evening Lizardim from the slowly thawing wild north country. Congratulations to the newly elected pontiff, and may he have the wisdom to guide the church through what are sure to be some very turbulent times.

331 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:48:35pm

re: #328 Shvaughn

I don’t like the watermark on the kitten.

Oops. Didn’t notice it. Apparently mah brain iz fried.

332 Amory Blaine  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:49:03pm

Is that to scale?

333 freetoken  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:49:07pm
334 Decatur Deb  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:49:23pm

Just to further confuse the Pope’s citizenship, he just became head-of-state of Vatican City. Don’t know how Argentina treats that. BBL again.

335 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:49:50pm

re: #306 Mattand

Basically it would be the greatest fish story ever told*.

*for those who don’t know the fish story is the day of the catch it was 12 inches long, by the end of the month it weighed 10lbs, fought like a monster, and was at least 3 feet or something.

336 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:50:12pm

re: #328 Shvaughn

I don’t like the watermark on the kitten.

Fixed

337 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:50:51pm

Damn it. It doesn’t delete the old file with the same name like it used to.

338 freetoken  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:50:58pm
339 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:51:11pm
340 Shvaughn  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:51:37pm

re: #339 Gus

Image: This-is-a-Kitten_Take_Three.jpg

Awww, kitty! That’s so cute.

341 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:52:00pm

re: #338 freetoken

This should be a hoot:

Live Tonight: Rick Santorum and Newt Gingrich on the new pope

Serial adulterer and guy who got his wife an abortion will lecture others on morality, yay.

342 Inner Partisan  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:52:32pm

re: #308 Mattand

When is that damn show coming back?

May 19th. Considering the waiting time, it almost seems feasible that I could survive until then.

343 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:52:56pm

Wingnut spambot keeps tweeting this shit. THEY REALLY DO NOT BELIEVE THERE IS A DIFFERENCE. DERP.

344 freetoken  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:53:18pm

Strange phallus-shaped creature provides crucial missing link


Discovery pushes fossil record back 200 million years

So it’s true - the phallus was first.

345 freetoken  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:54:04pm

re: #343 Vicious Babushka

Wingnut spambot keeps tweeting this shit. THEY REALLY DO NOT BELIEVE THERE IS A DIFFERENCE. DERP.

Most of them turned their brains off decades ago.

346 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:54:11pm

re: #318 Vicious Babushka

Actually there were very many Jewish rebels who were executed by the Romans. Several of them are mentioned in the Talmud, but only one got his very own entire religion.

That’s right. And also in the Talmud, there’s that whole Yeishu ha Notzri story as well.

That story drives the RWNJ’s up the wall.

347 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:54:42pm

re: #330 thedopefishlives

Ahh, warbird porn, just the thing to kick off an evening at home.

Evening Lizardim from the slowly thawing wild north country. Congratulations to the newly elected pontiff, and may he have the wisdom to guide the church through what are sure to be some very turbulent times.

Image: B-52-Kittens.jpg

348 thedopefishlives  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:56:18pm

re: #347 Gus

Image: B-52-Kittens.jpg

Cats and firepower - it is going to be a good night.

349 darthstar  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:56:29pm
350 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:57:09pm

re: #347 Gus

Image: B-52-Kittens.jpg

I’ll take my chances with the bomber.

351 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:58:28pm

re: #346 Dr Lizardo

That’s right. And also in the Talmud, there’s that whole Yeishu ha Notzri story as well.

That story drives the RWNJ’s up the wall.

Yeshu Ha Notzri is actually not mentioned in the Talmud. There is a medieval manuscript called Hisronot HaShas (“Missing parts of the Talmud”) which purports to contain passages that were censored from the Babylonian Talmud, but there is no evidence that these passages were ever part of the Talmudic canon.

352 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:58:32pm

re: #349 darthstar

When in doubt, add bourbon.

Image: 69294_10152652430795545_808939094_n.jpg

Amen. Now, where did I put that rum.

353 freetoken  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:58:58pm

MJ writer falls into the “debate”-think trap:


Name Calling Won’t Save Shrinking Glaciers and Disappearing Islands

[…] And frankly, calling the Koch Brothers and their cronies names doesn’t really serve any purpose other than to dumb the debate down even more.

The “debate” is already such a huge clusterfuck of human egos and money that climatology has long left the room.

354 engineer cat  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 3:59:01pm

re: #344 freetoken

Strange phallus-shaped creature provides crucial missing link

Discovery pushes phossil record back 200 million years

fyt

355 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 4:00:30pm

re: #344 freetoken

Strange phallus-shaped creature provides crucial missing link

Discovery pushes fossil record back 200 million years

So it’s true - the phallus was first.

So….
We evolved from dicks?
Shocka!

356 Amory Blaine  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 4:01:21pm

Watched most of Joe Bonamassa: An Acoustic Evening at the Vienna Opera House on PBS last night. What a great set.

357 CuriousLurker  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 4:01:47pm

Excuse me for interrupting all the Pope talk but… *snort*… the city of San Francisco has decided to… BWAHAHAHAHAHA:

San Francisco’s transit agency believes a First Amendment court decision forces it to accept the advertising. It plans to give the $5,000 used to pay for the ads to the city’s Human Rights Commission to study the impact of discrimination on San Francisco’s Islamic communities and run its own ads against discrimination. […]

More at the AP…

Geller, claiming that this violates the Establishment Clause, wants to file a lawsuit. The problem is she doesn’t have “standing”, so now she’s looking for a fellow hater to help her out:

We wish to file a lawsuit against the city of San Francisco for violation of the establishment clause. I need someone who lives in San Francisco and pays taxes to San Francisco. I need someone with standing in San Francisco to act as plaintiff in our case.

If you fit this description and want to fight back against these crave quislings, please contact me immediately at [email redacted].

Cache link…

I sooooo wish I could’ve been a fly on the wall when she got the news.

Man, I started the day with good news and I’m ending it with good news. Maybe I’d better quit while I’m ahead and refuse to read any more news today, huh?

358 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 4:01:55pm

re: #348 thedopefishlives

Cats and firepower - it is going to be a good night.

Image: Cat-B-1.jpg

359 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 4:02:01pm

re: #351 Vicious Babushka

Yeshu Ha Notzri is actually not mentioned in the Talmud. There is a medieval manuscript called Hisronot HaShas (“Missing parts of the Talmud”) which purports to contain passages that were censored from the Babylonian Talmud, but there is no evidence that these passages were ever part of the Talmudic canon.

Then I stand corrected.

To me, it’s fascinating to look for the “historical Jesus”. The Jesuits I knew in Berlin were quite fascinated by it as well.
When I explained “Republican Jesus” to them, they were utterly appalled.

360 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 4:02:16pm

re: #310 Amory Blaine

I wonder if we could in this political environment. Programs to monitor volcanoes get attacked in this country for Pete’s sake. OMG monarch butterflies and cow farts!?! Quick!! Someone cut food stamps!!

More fallow farm land to let milkweed grow in!
;)

361 freetoken  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 4:02:37pm

No, not one, not two, but three:


Oklahoma House passes anti-abortion bills

362 Charles Johnson  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 4:02:56pm

Whew, finally got this backup script fully working. Amazing how these little side projects can turn into things that take hours of Googling around for solutions. All I wanted to do was mount an external backup drive, launch SuperDuper to do a backup, then quit SuperDuper and unmount the drive when the backup was finished.

SuperDuper used to have this feature built in, but it stopped working with Mountain Lion.

I ended up using Keyboard Maestro to do the scheduling, instead of SuperDuper’s scheduling feature. Keyboard Maestro can call shell scripts from macros, so I built in the shell commands to mount and unmount the backup volume.

This is much better than just leaving the drive mounted all the time, because it’s in an enclosure that automatically spins it down when it’s idle for a few minutes — a nice feature to save power, I guess, but very annoying in practice because whenever you open a file save dialog (e.g. upload a pic to LGF) that drive takes 20-30 seconds to spin up, a drag on the whole process.

Now everything is groovy. And it has to be a lot less wear on the drive mechanism, not to be constantly spinning up and down through the livelong day.

363 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 4:03:10pm

re: #361 freetoken

No, not one, not two, but three:

Oklahoma House passes anti-abortion bills

Small government.

364 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 4:03:43pm

re: #357 CuriousLurker

Excuse me for interrupting the all Pope talk but… *snort*… the city of San Francisco has decided to… BWHAHAHAHAHA:

Geller, claiming that this violates the Establishment Clause, wants to file a lawsuit. The problem is she doesn’t have “standing”, so now she’s looking for a fellow hater to help her out:

I sooooo wish I could’ve been a fly on the wall when she got the news.

Man, I started the day with good news and I’m ending it with good news. Maybe I’d better quit while I’m ahead and refuse to read any more news today, huh?

The poor bigot.

365 darthstar  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 4:05:29pm
366 Amory Blaine  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 4:05:33pm

re: #356 Amory Blaine

Watched most of Joe Bonamassa: An Acoustic Evening at the Vienna Opera House on PBS last night. What a great set.

367 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 4:07:34pm

WTF IS HE DERPING ABOUT?

368 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 4:08:13pm

re: #367 Vicious Babushka

WTF IS HE DERPING ABOUT?

I call for a ban of stupid people tweeting stupid shit.
;)

369 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 4:08:13pm

re: #355 Varek Raith

So….
We evolved from dicks?
Shocka!

Well, actually from something like this. Conodonts had spinal cords.

Image: conodont.jpg

370 darthstar  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 4:08:47pm

re: #367 Vicious Babushka

WTF IS HE DERPING ABOUT?

Fischer probably googled “men who suck” and got the story about the vacuum.

371 Mattand  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 4:09:17pm

re: #357 CuriousLurker

Excuse me for interrupting the all Pope talk but… *snort*… the city of San Francisco has decided to… BWAHAHAHAHAHA:

Geller, claiming that this violates the Establishment Clause, wants to file a lawsuit. The problem is she doesn’t have “standing”, so now she’s looking for a fellow hater to help her out:

I sooooo wish I could’ve been a fly on the wall when she got the news.

Man, I started the day with good news and I’m ending it with good news. Maybe I’d better quit while I’m ahead and refuse to read any more news today, huh?

WTF is she complaining about? She got to run her shitty bigoted ads. What the SF Transit agency does with the money is none of her business.

372 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 4:10:44pm

re: #370 darthstar

Fischer probably googled “men who suck” and got the story about the vacuum.

It’s always good to see what people are saying about you out there. //

373 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 4:11:35pm

re: #357 CuriousLurker

Excuse me for interrupting the all Pope talk but… *snort*… the city of San Francisco has decided to… BWHAHAHAHAHA:

Geller, claiming that this violates the Establishment Clause, wants to file a lawsuit. The problem is she doesn’t have “standing”, so now she’s looking for a fellow hater to help her out:

I sooooo wish I could’ve been a fly on the wall when she got the news.

Man, I started the day with good news and I’m ending it with good news. Maybe I’d better quit while I’m ahead and refuse to read any more news today, huh?

OMG. That’s just hilarious. =)

374 kirkspencer  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 4:11:50pm

re: #367 Vicious Babushka

WTF IS HE DERPING ABOUT?

Oh, this derp is obvious. It’s the transference argument for weapons control, with the exaggeration factor stuck in as a bonus.

It starts with the belief that “someone used a rifle to kill someone, let’s ban all firearms”. Then transfers that to “someone used (item) to kill someone, let’s ban all (large set of items).” Its intent is to show that arguing for controlling weapons is absurd.

Do I really need to say why the argument itself is absurd?

375 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 4:12:07pm

re: #373 Gus

OMG. That’s just hilarious. =)

It really is.

376 wrenchwench  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 4:12:18pm

re: #366 Amory Blaine

[Embedded content]

Lotta lumber on that stage. Also: damn you! I gotta get some work done!

377 Charles Johnson  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 4:13:05pm

re: #367 Vicious Babushka

I think that must be the explanation for Fischer’s psychological problems. He was once nearly killed by his mother’s Hoover vacuum cleaner.

378 Joanne  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 4:13:55pm

re: #363 HappyWarrior

Small government.

Fits in my uterus.

379 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 4:14:14pm

A DOUBLE FAKE QUOTE. What is it with wingnuts & Fake Quotes? Why can’t they look up real quotes?

380 EPR-radar  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 4:14:29pm

re: #377 Charles Johnson

I think that must be the explanation for Fischer’s psychological problems. He was once nearly killed by his mother’s Hoover vacuum cleaner.

Probably while he was doing something unmentionable with it. A teddy bear may have also been involved.

381 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 4:15:05pm

re: #357 CuriousLurker

Heh. Ah, irony…..thy name is the San Francisco Transit Agency.

I can visualize Pammy sputtering in seething rage while pouring herself another screwdriver.

382 Joanne  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 4:15:20pm

re: #367 Vicious Babushka

WTF IS HE DERPING ABOUT?

Gunz!!!11! Ban all vacuums not gunz!!!

383 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 4:15:42pm

Someone picked up Bryan Fischer and used his thick head to beat another person to death. LET’S BAN BRYAN FISCHER.

384 wrenchwench  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 4:15:50pm

re: #381 Dr Lizardo

Heh. Ah, irony…..thy name is the San Francisco Transit Agency.

I can visualize Pammy sputtering in seething rage while pouring herself another screwdriver.

Hence the ‘crave quislings’.

385 thedopefishlives  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 4:16:02pm

re: #383 Vicious Babushka

Someone picked up Bryan Fischer and used his thick head to beat another person to death. LET’S BAN BRYAN FISCHER.

Assault with a derpy weapon.

386 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 4:16:21pm

re: #385 thedopefishlives

Assault with a derpy weapon.

DEATH BY DERP.

387 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 4:16:35pm

re: #377 Charles Johnson

I think that must be the explanation for Fischer’s psychological problems. He was once nearly killed by his mother’s Hoover vacuum cleaner.

while using it in an inappropriate way.

388 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 4:16:45pm

Ayn Rand’s ‘Atlas’ shrugs for third time

Say this for John Aglialoro: He’s not a quitter.

Aglialoro is a producer on the recent movie adaptations of Ayn Rand’s 1957 novel, “Atlas Shrugged,” which has become required reading for those in favor of smaller government. The first film opened in 2011 without an A-list cast, to disappointing reviews and a lukewarm box office, despite pinning it on tea party momentum. For the second installment, the filmmakers said they were going to broaden their marketing approach, but it didn’t fare much better, coming in 10th place in box office sales during its opening weekend.

Aglialoro says the third and final installment is gunning for a summer 2014 release, and he says this time, things will be different, namely because he won’t be under such a time crunch (part two was rushed to make it out before Election Day), so he’ll be able to create “something closer to the book.”

389 thedopefishlives  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 4:17:10pm

re: #386 Vicious Babushka

DEATH BY DERP.

Pretty sure that qualifies for the Constitutional protection against cruel and unusual punishment.

390 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 4:17:11pm

re: #380 EPR-radar

Probably while he was doing something unmentionable with it. A teddy bear may have also been involved.

damn it, beat me to it.

391 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 4:17:19pm
392 Joanne  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 4:17:24pm

re: #371 Mattand

WTF is she complaining about? She got to run her shitty bigoted ads. What the SF Transit agency does with the money is none of her business.

And trying to use the Establishment Clause as a basis for her nonsensical lawsuit. Well beyond derp, just fucking stupidity.

393 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 4:18:15pm

re: #388 Kragar (Antichrist )

Once, Twice, Three times a Teatard.

394 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 4:18:35pm

re: #384 wrenchwench

Hence the ‘crave quislings’.

LOL.

The only thing that could’ve been even funnier is if the SFTA had donated the five grand to some Islamic charitable organization in her name.

I think Pammy’s head would explode in that event.

395 Targetpractice  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 4:19:22pm

re: #388 Kragar (Antichrist )

Ayn Rand’s ‘Atlas’ shrugs for third time

Longer, more soul-sucking, and far more pointless?

396 Joanne  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 4:22:00pm

re: #395 Targetpractice

Longer, more soul-sucking, and far more pointless?

Two hours of Galt’s mind-numbing 60+ page rant. Cannot wait! Zzzzzz…

397 Destro  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 4:22:01pm

re: #148 ProBosniaLiberal

Because Bosnia is stuck between two larger, more powerfule states.

Croatia would likely let the Bosnians exist.

Serbia would not. Not by a long shot.

There are more Bosnian Muslims living in Serbia than there are in Croatia (also more of other kinds of ethnicities and religions also in Serbia like Hungarians). Where did you learn your geo-history? From a cracker jack box? Croatia is almost racially pure - the dream of Tudjman and his nationalists.

Thanks for proving my point Americans know shit about the world. PS: I am not a Serb.

en.wikipedia.org

en.wikipedia.org

398 CuriousLurker  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 4:23:34pm

Okay, UPS just delivered my new air purifier, so I’m gonna see if I can wipe the grin off my face long enough to set it up. Thank you, San Francisco—you made my day!

399 sattv4u2  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 4:24:57pm

Thanks for proving my point Americans know shit about the world.

Broadbrush much??
“A” American posts something means ALL Americans “know shit about the world”!

400 Targetpractice  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 4:25:28pm

So the Senate Dems release their budget proposal today and the media, which is still wiping its mouth after fellating the Ryan “Plan” for a third time, can only focus on how the Dem budget would maintain budget deficits that economists say are perfectly sustainable in order to promote job growth.

401 EPR-radar  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 4:26:21pm

re: #396 Joanne

Two hours of Galt’s mind-numbing 60+ page rant. Cannot wait! Zzzzzz…

Galt’s speech might be amusing if it is given the ‘dogs barking jingle bells’ treatment.

I can’t see any other way to make it fit for public screening.

402 Destro  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 4:26:55pm

re: #224 Inner Partisan

I know. I have to admit that when I first encountered creationists online in 2000 or so, I practically became a member of the “All Belief is Bullshit!”-Crowd, even though I’m not American.
But eventually I came to realize that believers are still human fucking beings just trying to find meaning in their own way. Yeah, believing in “bronze-age myths” might seem silly - but objectively, everyone believes some pretty silly shit. Even nihilists. Especially nihilists ;-)

The problem is when people who believe in made up sky gods try and influence the real world of science like stopping condoms from being used in Africa. How many millions of Africans died of AIDS because of this Catholic policy? I respect all faiths as long as it’s in private.

403 EPR-radar  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 4:28:57pm

re: #400 Targetpractice

So the Senate Dems release their budget proposal today and the media, which is still wiping its mouth after fellating the Ryan “Plan” for a third time, can only focus on how the Dem budget would maintain budget deficits that economists say are perfectly sustainable in order to promote job growth.

They are simply doing the job they are paid to do.

We have the best media that corporate $$$ can buy.

404 Destro  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 4:30:21pm

re: #329 Dr Lizardo

That’s all very true. Face it, the Romans were fairly punctilious at recording the news of the day, even if some of it made it into the history books as polemics. Someone like that, in an occupied territory, that would’ve been a big deal. Like you said, Spartacus got a mention. So why doesn’t a guy who’s walking on water, raising the dead, and single-handedly curing every sick person up and down the road to Jerusalem?

Either he never existed, which is one possibility, or he was such a small-fry that the Romans offed him before dinner and had a good chuckle about it over goblets of wine later that evening and then forgot about him, like they would about any petty criminal they’d executed.

Jesus was small fry AND there were other miracle workers doing Jesus like stuff at the time also like Apollonius of Tyana.

405 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 4:30:28pm

re: #391 Gus

Image: Bunny-USS-New-Jersey.jpg

And if Camden ever declares war on Philadelphia…

406 sattv4u2  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 4:30:28pm

and on that note, the long quiet drive home beckons

407 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 4:33:50pm

re: #391 Gus

Image: Bunny-USS-New-Jersey.jpg

Put the New Jersey on the bunnies head.
;)

408 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 4:33:55pm

re: #404 Destro

Jesus was small fry AND there were other miracle workers doing Jesus like stuff at the time also like Apollonius of Tyana.

As I understand it, there were quite a few would-be “Messiahs” on the scene in Roman-occupied Judea.

Jesus certainly wasn’t the only one.

409 Amory Blaine  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 4:34:53pm

re: #400 Targetpractice

There’s a genuine lust to destroy “entitlements”.

410 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 4:36:48pm

re: #407 Varek Raith

Put the New Jersey on the bunnies head.
;)

Image: Bunny-USSNJ-On-Head.jpg

411 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 4:43:28pm

re: #410 Gus

Image: Bunny-USSNJ-On-Head.jpg

Excellent.
:)

412 b_sharp  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 4:44:10pm

re: #376 wrenchwench

Lotta lumber on that stage. Also: damn you! I gotta get some work done!

Spruce, ebony, rosewood, mahogany.

Not your normal NA forest.

413 Gus  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 4:49:32pm

Oh boy. Here we go.

414 engineer cat  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 4:53:04pm

re: #362 Charles Johnson

Googling around for solutions

grumble grumble grumble in the old days all we had was a copy of K&R and a command line compiler grumble grumble grumble and we were glad to have it

415 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 4:53:07pm

DERP
They really do have short term memory loss.

417 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 4:58:22pm

NOW THEY ARE JUST MAKING UP THEIR OWN FAKE QUOTES.
Srsly, I Googled this and it just came back to this wingnut’s Tweet.

418 EPR-radar  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 4:59:30pm

re: #416 Varek Raith

GOP Congressman Says Supreme Court Doesn’t Actually Get To Decide Whether Laws Are Constitutional

SCOTUS gets to decide such issues.

The privilege of the rest of the country is to argue, more or less effectively, that SCOTUS got it wrong.

419 EPR-radar  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 5:00:06pm

re: #417 Vicious Babushka

Making stuff up increases efficiency.

420 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 5:06:28pm
421 Robert O.  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 5:56:06pm

What I want to know is, what happens to the Falkland Islands now?

422 chadu  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 7:14:47pm

re: #164 Inner Partisan

Let’s look at the bright side: Francis I is a Jesuit. So, unlike Benedict XVI, he will at least not flirt with creationism. Also, his chosen name might indicate that he’ll be quite vocal on the topic of climate change.

I understand everyone’s frustration that the new Pope seems a lot like the same old shit all over again.

But… baby steps, people. Expecting a reformer who’s cool with homosexuality, contraception and women in the clergy is simply not realistic at this point in time. The Church thinks in terms centuries - and from that perspective Bergoglio’s election is a step in the right direction.

Hear, hear.

Don’t disregard he’s the first Pontiff from the New World. That’s a step (baby step, sure, but it’s a step!).

We might see some meaningful reforms in our lifetime - but not much sooner, I’m afraid.

His history seems to imply he’s for helping poor and disadvantaged people, might have an environmental interest, and is willing to toss tradition out the window in favor of what he thinks is for the benefit of the soul (baptizing babies born out of wedlock).

Also, he seems very humble.

As always, mixed-bag.

But I’m holding out a sliver of hope he’s not a complete douche, going forward. (His comments on homosexuality, gay marriage, and gay adoption, I dearly hopes he moderates.)

I got no skin in this game, other than being a lapsed Catholic, and hope the Pope isn’t an asshole.

423 chadu  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 7:17:39pm

re: #187 Inner Partisan

Still, there’s some sort of… sentimental attachment, if you know what I mean.

Despite being an agnostic, I occasionally find comfort in a Catholic Mass.

Imprinting.

424 chadu  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 7:18:58pm

re: #189 b_sharp

I used to have a small black cat who used to stalk and attack people she didn’t like. She was really affectionate the rest of the time.

Both of my cats are black. One’s a love, he’s a big softy; the other is a huntress (and somewhat of a love, but bitchy).

425 chadu  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 7:28:48pm

re: #194 Gus

Ah, Maher, you purblind moron.

Every time he talks about religion, he bundles faith with it, which is intensely annoying to an agnostic like me.

All I got is the feeling there’s some sort of God out here; I explore my ideas about It thoughtfully, studying other religions and philosophies, and matching them against the couple strange experiences of divinity I’ve had in my life.

Could it be all my fucked up brain chemistry? Sure.

Could it be magnetic fields? Hey, why not?

Could it be a bad burrito I had? Sure, totes possible.

But, I’ve had more than normal experiences, and I want to figure out what’s what with them. Scientific method, bitches.

If it’s proved that my extranormal experiences are just a question of biology or electromagnetism, cool. If not, I reserve the right to believe in a greater power.

Scientific method, yo: how does it work?

426 chadu  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 7:31:50pm

re: #222 efuseakay

What if you’re poor and gay? The Pope would be in quite a pickle…

My first guess: not at all. Would focus on the poor before the gay.

Granted, this is just from reading his Wikipedia entry, so salt liberally.

427 chadu  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 7:37:08pm

re: #249 freetoken

Shape shifting:

1,200-year-old Egyptian text describes a shape-shifting Jesus

That is messed up enough for an upding even before I read the link!

428 chadu  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 7:40:09pm

re: #251 Mattand

So Jesus was in the first lineup of the X-men. Who knew?

I like the Lost Gospel story of how Jebus killed a dragon with his diaper better.

429 chadu  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 7:41:56pm

re: #259 Amory Blaine

People who’ve been here 12 generations still call themselves fucking German. Get over it!! You ain’t German.

Like I said, the part of Germany my 1770s ancestors came from is now part of Italy.

American, dammit.

430 chadu  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 7:42:51pm

re: #260 Mattand

Here’s what I don’t get: so Jesus is in one form and Judas gives him the old two-lip smackeroo. What’s to stop Jesus from changing shape and lying low until Easter is over?

Skrulls are cagey.

431 chadu  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 7:45:14pm

re: #229 Dr Lizardo

Crystals.

I knew a young lady who was big believer in crystals.

I have a “lady and crystals” story best saved for paging.

Though it’s still not as good as my “Vampires of Stafford County” story. That one might come first.

432 chadu  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 7:46:17pm

re: #274 b_sharp

It was Brian.

I’m Brian, and so’s my wife!

433 chadu  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 7:51:00pm

re: #334 Decatur Deb

Just to further confuse the Pope’s citizenship, he just became head-of-state of Vatican City. Don’t know how Argentina treats that. BBL again.

Also, as a Jesuit, he has to swear fealty/obedience to himself.

Freaky.

434 chadu  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 7:52:04pm

re: #346 Dr Lizardo

That’s right. And also in the Talmud, there’s that whole Yeishu ha Notzri story as well.

That story drives the RWNJ’s up the wall.

Link or more details?

435 KiTA  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 9:22:58pm

So the Redstate guy is happy that the new pope conspires with death squads.


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