Live Video: Festival of the Wingnuts, Day 2

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Mitt Romney is scheduled to speak at 1:00 pm Eastern, but it looks like they’re about 30 minutes behind schedule at this point. It’s going to be very interesting to see how the audience reacts to the man whose total absorption in the right wing echo chamber blinded him to the fact that he was losing, right up to the bitter end.

Will Romney repeat his dog whistle statements that Obama won because he promised minorities “free stuff?”

By the way, Romney’s speech follows events featuring Dinesh D’Souza’s racist anti-Obama film, and the author of The Bell Curve, pseudo-scientific “race realist” Charles Murray. Everywhere you turn at this event, there’s racial animus and fear mongering.

(Note: the audio for the live video feed is not very good today. Maybe they’ll fix it in time for Romney’s appearance.)

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1 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 10:25:06am

Another day, another derpfest.

2 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 10:26:09am

Blog Bash Emails Reveal Bitter Disagreements over CPAC, GOProud and SOPA

One of the hottest tickets tonight at CPAC is the invite-only Blog Bash event, organized by the right-wing National Bloggers Club and co-sponsored by NRCC, NRSC and others. Last year the event recognized Andrew Breitbart and James O’Keefe, among others. The nominees for this year’s awards are no less controversial.

The organizers of Blog Bash, including president Ali Akbar, are apparently not fans of the American Conservative Union, which runs CPAC and is co-sponsoring tonight’s Blog Bash, or its chairman Al Cardenas. Akbar and other event organizers, including Adrienne Royer of “What to Wear at CPAC” fame, exchanged a series of emails on a public Google Group which have been republished by the blog Breitbart Unmasked.

The emails reveal that the Blog Bash organizers have a low opinion of ACU and Cardenas and don’t agree with many of ACU’s positions. They also reveal that the controversy around the exclusion of GOProud – the gay conservative group that has been banned from CPAC by ACU – is an incredibly sore topic that is not to be mentioned to Cardenas under any circumstance.

3 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 10:27:17am

Totally expecting Romney to whine. I’d be shocked if it wasn’t whiny.

4 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 10:28:17am

Is he stuck in the car elevator or something?

5 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 10:28:50am

McConnell at CPAC: Democrats’ 2016 field looking like ‘a rerun of The Golden Girls’

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) got in a few yucks during his 2013 CPAC speech Friday morning, telling a crowd that he thinks the Democratic Party’s 2016 presidential field is looking like “a rerun of ‘The Golden Girls.’”

“Don’t tell me the Democrats are the party of the future when their presidential ticket in 2016 is shaping up to look like a rerun of ‘The Golden Girls,’” he said. The crowd erupted with laughter.

“We have Rand Paul, Marco Rubio and a slew of bright, young, energetic governors ready to take America into the future,” he said. “And the other guys? They got Hillary and Joe Biden.”

It’s probably not the kind of joke that’s going to help McConnell win re-election against someone like actress Ashley Judd, who’s widely rumored to be preparing a run for the Senate.

6 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 10:28:52am

Meanwhile at Donald Trump’s appearance this morning:

7 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 10:29:07am

re: #4 Vicious Babushka

Is he stuck in the car elevator or something?

They have to install the latest software patch. Sorry, couldn’t resist that one.

8 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 10:30:23am

re: #5 Kragar (Antichrist )

McConnell at CPAC: Democrats’ 2016 field looking like ‘a rerun of The Golden Girls’

Coming from the party that hasn’t won with a Nixon or Bush on the ticket since 1928, this is fun. Oh and Mitch, if you think it’s just going to be Hillary or Biden, you’re sadly mistaken.

9 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 10:31:16am
10 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 10:31:29am

where is Mitt? Crying in the bathroom stall?

11 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 10:32:49am

re: #9 Vicious Babushka

Yeah Nikki you’re so brave standing up to unions in a state that weakened unionization rights decades before you were born let alone came into office. What a load of shit. Whine about union thugs but embrace corporate thuggery as the “American way.”

12 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 10:33:52am

re: #10 Vicious Babushka

where is Mitt? Crying in the bathroom stall?

Yeah, but that was just because Larry Craig was in the stall next to him.

13 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 10:34:39am

Mitt Romney makes his entrance to the theme music that Rush used for his “Animal Rights Update” 20 years ago.

14 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 10:35:22am

re: #6 Vicious Babushka

Wow. They really turned out to hear Donald drone on about whatever it is he was going to talk about. Pathetic really.

15 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 10:35:28am

re: #13 Vicious Babushka

Mitt Romney makes his entrance to the theme music that Rush used for his “Animal Rights Update” 20 years ago.

or Hulk Hogan’s “Real American” theme.

16 kirkspencer  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 10:38:02am

re: #5 Kragar (Antichrist )

McConnell at CPAC: Democrats’ 2016 field looking like ‘a rerun of The Golden Girls’

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) got in a few yucks during his 2013 CPAC speech Friday morning, telling a crowd that he thinks the Democratic Party’s 2016 presidential field is looking like “a rerun of ‘The Golden Girls.’”

He has a tiny point. Not many youngish democratic potentials have a national profile right now.

Tiny, however, because it’s 2013 - it’s still Obama’s time. Next year we’ll start getting some idea as to who might really be jockeying for 2016.

17 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 10:38:17am

The Marco McMillian Murder

Last month we ran several stories on the murder of Marco McMillian, a candidate for Mayor of Clarksdale, Mississippi, who also happened to be the first viable, openly gay candidate for office in the state’s history. There were many signs from the killing that his death was not just a run of the mill robbery murder. McMillian was openly gay, black and a current candidate for political office. But what got him killed? Now we’re finding out.

I’d actually missed this story from the local ABC News station which ran all the way back on March 6th. But pretty clearly, Lawrence Reed, the man currently in jail charged with the murder, is going with a gay panic defense.

According to the article, Lawrence Reed’s sisters say that he called them shortly after the murder recounted a story of … well, McMillian being gay and Reed needing to kill him …

18 Destro  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 10:38:20am

Bad sound - echo reverb - an echo chamber is perfect for the GOP.

19 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 10:39:50am

re: #18 Destro

Bad sound - echo reverb - an echo chamber is perfect for the GOP.

“What is that buzzing drone?”

“That would be the guy on the stage.”

20 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 10:40:13am
21 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 10:41:07am

C-SPAN has a better audio feed.

22 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 10:41:17am

re: #20 Vicious Babushka

Just you wait. Once Mitt takes the lead, I don’t think he’s going to give it up.

23 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 10:41:32am

It’s not polite to smack your lips
But ya can’t help is with Romney’s corn chips!
Munch, munch
Munch a buncha Romney corn chips!

24 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 10:41:52am

Mitt Romney will win in an electoral landslide because Nate Silver is gay./

25 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 10:44:22am

HA HA FAIL

26 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 10:44:36am

re: #16 kirkspencer

He has a tiny point. Not many youngish democratic potentials have a national profile right now.

Tiny, however, because it’s 2013 - it’s still Obama’s time. Next year we’ll start getting some idea as to who might really be jockeying for 2016.

Obama didn’t have much of a national profile before he ran for President.

27 Skip Intro  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 10:44:39am

re: #14 lawhawk

Wow. They really turned out to hear Donald drone on about whatever it is he was going to talk about. Pathetic really.

Reading the article, apparently Trump’s talk was all about the greatness of Trump.

28 Bulworth  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 10:45:04am

re: #9 Vicious Babushka

I see the Republican “we really do care about yous other people” rebranding effort is off to a strong start. //

29 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 10:45:17am

Romney: “I know as the loser of the last election, I’m not the best one to offer advice…”

Then he proceeds to offer advice.

30 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 10:45:42am

re: #20 Vicious Babushka

Perhaps they turned his internal chronometer back a few months during the last systems overhaul.

31 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 10:46:17am

NRA’s Wayne LaPierre is at it again with his incessant fearmongering as substitution for rational thought.

According to him, background checks are the pretext to gun registration and confiscation to follow:

And LaPierre used his speech to slam a proposal before Congress to require background checks for all firearms transactions, a law that has won some new support in the wake of the deadly December shooting at an elementary school in Newtown, Conn.
“You know what’s really absurd? Not protecting our children in school,” he said, repeating his call for funding armed guards in every school in America.

“Here’s what the political elites offer instead: a placebo called universal background checks.”

LaPierre said the background checks would set the stage for universal gun registration.

“It’s the real goal they’ve been pushing for decades,” he said.

LaPierre sought to set up the battle over gun control as a battle between “elites” — a word he used repeatedly — who view gun owners as “crazy,” another term the NRA executive used repeatedly in reference to himself, and how media had characterized him.

And he stoked fears that universal background checks would lead to newspapers publishing the names and addresses of gun owners, so that “gangs and criminals” or the Mexican and Chinese governments could access them.

Absurd is doing the same dance the NRA has been doing for the past 30 years. Opposing even the most sensible measures that could reduce the number of firearms fatalities and injuries over the most extreme and outlandish possibilities. Paranoia substituting for rational discussion.

Background checks and figuring out a way to keep prohibited persons from getting firearms in the first place could help reduce the steady stream of casualties from firearms on a daily basis. Some measures might even reduce the chances of another mass casualty incident like Sandy Hook or Aurora or Virginia Tech or Binghamton or Columbine.

The problem is that the NRA opposes all measures - no matter how sensible and they’ve done the nation a grave disservice for blocking even the most reasonable measure - like universal background checks that might stem the flow of sham sales and block some number of prohibited persons from obtaining firearms through gun shows and third-party transactions.

At the same time, the NRA hysteria has caused a pre-ordained run on ammo and guns by pushing the fear button that something not even contemplated will happen.

32 Skip Intro  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 10:46:26am

re: #28 Bulworth

I see the Republican “we really do care about yous other people” rebranding effort is off to a strong start. //

That effort began and died the day after the election.

33 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 10:46:38am

re: #29 Charles Johnson

Romney: “I know as the loser of the last election, I’m not the best one to offer advice…”

Then he proceeds to offer advice.

“I know you don’t think I like black people much, so I’m not the best one to offer advice, but if you must speak to a black person let me just say…”

34 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 10:46:45am

re: #26 Eclectic Cyborg

Obama didn’t have much of a national profile before he ran for President.

He did have the 2004 DNC keynote. That got him a lot of attention and he had been making the rounds campaigning for various Democrats in 2006. I mean it’s not the same as Hillary or Biden who were SoS and are VP but Obama was fairly known when he ran. That said, if the Dem stable was younger, McConnell would be making some stupid snarky remark about no experience. The Republicans would be thrilled if Bush’s popularity was what Obama’s is now and Cheney and Rice could run to replace him and he knows it.

35 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 10:46:52am

Jihadists? WTF.

36 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 10:46:52am

re: #29 Charles Johnson

Romney: “I know as the loser of the last election, I’m not the best one to offer advice…”

Then he proceeds to offer advice.

I’d like to thank Mitt Romney for actually making me actually look forward to hearing from the next Evangelical racist to take the stage.

37 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 10:47:58am

re: #35 Vicious Babushka

Jihadists? WTF.

Everyday at CPAC is 9/12/01

38 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 10:48:15am

re: #35 Vicious Babushka

Jihadists? WTF.

I think he meant to say Jindalists.

39 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 10:50:09am

WTF. This is so lame.

40 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 10:50:22am

re: #31 lawhawk

A society that values guns AND free access to them so highly will no doubt have to suffer through much needless gun violence as a result of those beliefs.

41 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 10:50:36am
42 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 10:51:25am

re: #39 Vicious Babushka

WTF. This is so lame.

“Its just I’ll be working from home and making more in a day than most of you do in a year. Plus, don’t call me.”

43 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 10:52:10am
44 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 10:52:18am

re: #42 Kragar (Antichrist )

“Its just I’ll be working from home and making more in a day than most of you do in a year. Plus, don’t call me.”

“Oh and by the way, I just said those things because I wanted you to like me. I really only care about my own wallet more than gays getting married.”

45 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 10:52:34am
46 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 10:54:06am

re: #43 Charles Johnson

Has he honestly had any memorable speeches? The guy’s the biggest flop of a candidate for high office I’ve ever seen. He’s run for high office four times and only won once and that was because he pretended to be moderate and took advantage of a weak Democratic candidate in a Republican year. I never bought him as a serious contender.

47 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 10:54:48am

And now they’re ranting about abortion.

48 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 10:54:52am

re: #45 Vicious Babushka

And CPAC is focusing on the important issues of the day. Next, we’ll hear Justice Scalia’s speech about why Brown Vs the Board of Education was wrong.

49 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 10:55:01am

re: #45 Vicious Babushka

And tonight they’re going to party like its 1955

50 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 10:55:04am
51 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 10:55:44am

White supremacist says:

52 Bulworth  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 10:56:09am

re: #49 Kragar (Antichrist )

And tonight they’re going to party like its 1955

Standing Athwart History Yelling “STOPPPPP!111!!!!11

53 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 10:56:18am

The live video feed sounds like they don’t have direct audio from the stage - I think we’re hearing a mic somewhere in the audience. That’s why there’s so much echo.

54 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 10:57:29am

re: #51 Vicious Babushka

White supremacist says:

Except if you were a minority, a woman, gay, or non-Christian.

55 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 10:57:31am

re: #53 Charles Johnson

Well it is an echo chamber of conservatism after all. /

56 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 10:58:43am
57 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 10:59:54am

re: #56 Vicious Babushka

Doesn’t he know anything which prevents conception is an abortion?

58 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:00:10am
59 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:00:55am

re: #57 Kragar (Antichrist )

Doesn’t he know anything which prevents conception is an abortion?

Women who take birth control pills have millions of dead babies embedded in their wombs! MILLIONS!!!1111

60 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:01:42am

re: #59 Vicious Babushka

“Its says in the Bible God knew you before you were born! THATS SCIENCE!”

61 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:02:02am

White supremacist at CPAC:

62 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:02:33am

re: #51 Vicious Babushka

White supremacist says:

It tells you that conservatives and libertarians have no sense of perspective or history.

63 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:03:18am

DERP

64 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:03:22am

re: #61 Vicious Babushka

White supremacist at CPAC:

Yeah, kill off rural areas faster using isolationism. I like that plan.
/

Fucking xenophobic moron.

65 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:03:45am

Another thought about Portman’s change of heart on gay marriage.

He finally understood and accepted the reasoning for supporting gay marriage only after his son came out as gay. It was only after the specific act he long opposed actually affected his son and his family that Portman came around to supporting gay marriage as a civil right.

That shows a tremendous lack of empathy and sympathy for a whole range of issues - whether it’s the current GOP positions on taxes, health care, and how to best address issues of crime, poverty, and education.

Does this mean that GOPers have to themselves experience poverty or a health care crisis to understand that the system they’re backing and their policy positions are lacking?

Yglesias calls this the politics of narcissism. I don’t think that’s quite right. It’s the politics of myopia. The GOP can’t step outside of itself and understand that it’s proffering policy prescriptions that will do more harm than good to the nation as a whole.

Massive spending cuts get rousing applause from GOPers one moment, but when the cuts are fleshed out, they realize that their districts will take a hit.

It’s the same thing we saw during the Sandy-aid debate. They got their aid from prior disasters in swift fashion, but now proffer all manner of condition before allowing similar aid to flow months later.

66 Dr. Matt  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:04:27am

re: #63 Vicious Babushka

@mittromney deserves our thanks for fighting the good fight. His life is an example of why America is the greatest nation on Earth. #cpac

His “life”: Running off to France to avoid the Vietnam draft?

67 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:06:05am

re: #66 Dr. Matt

His “life”: Running off to France to avoid the Vietnam draft?

Taking over distressed companies, loading them up with debt, then selling off the assets while depriving all the employees of a livelihood.

FREEDOM!

68 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:06:13am

Mitt Romney’s life is the example of why America is great? No, I’ll take someone who comes to this country with little but instills dreams in their children and grandchildren over the guy who got to where he is because of having an auto executive/governor for a father.

69 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:08:48am

re: #65 lawhawk

Another thought about Portman’s change of heart on gay marriage.

He finally understood and accepted the reasoning for supporting gay marriage only after his son came out as gay. It was only after the specific act he long opposed actually affected his son and his family that Portman came around to supporting gay marriage as a civil right.

That shows a tremendous lack of empathy and sympathy for a whole range of issues - whether it’s the current GOP positions on taxes, health care, and how to best address issues of crime, poverty, and education.

Does this mean that GOPers have to themselves experience poverty or a health care crisis to understand that the system they’re backing and their policy positions are lacking?

Yglesias calls this the politics of narcissism. I don’t think that’s quite right. It’s the politics of myopia. The GOP can’t step outside of itself and understand that it’s proffering policy prescriptions that will do more harm than good to the nation as a whole.

Massive spending cuts get rousing applause from GOPers one moment, but when the cuts are fleshed out, they realize that their districts will take a hit.

It’s the same thing we saw during the Sandy-aid debate. They got their aid from prior disasters in swift fashion, but now proffer all manner of condition before allowing similar aid to flow months later.

Part of me is glad he had a change of heart, I know the reasons are selfish since it’s his son but I am glad he’s not pulling an Alan Keyes and continuing to be a homophobe but another part of me wonders why it had to take his son being gay to realize that there are thousands of kids like his son who just want their parents to love them for who they are. I mean it’s progress I guess in the end but Portman would still be anti gay marriage if it wasn’t for his son being gay and I think that sucks. I respect conservatives like Ted Olson and the UK’s PM, David Cameron more who believe in marriage equality because they think it’s right.

70 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:09:23am

DERP

71 Bulworth  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:11:14am

re: #63 Vicious Babushka

DERP

Hahahahhahahahhahahhahahhah

72 blueraven  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:11:18am

re: #67 Vicious Babushka

Taking over distressed companies, loading them up with debt, then selling off the assets while depriving all the employees of a livelihood.

FREEDOM!

Buying Chinese factory even after going on a tour that exposes the slave-like working conditions. Entrepreneur!!

73 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:11:35am

re: #58 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Black guy yelled at, at CPAC told “Race doesn’t matter” (with video).

Wow. They have given up any pretense of appealing to the minority vote.

Man, we went so fast from Bush’s cautious outreach to Hispanics, even pre-9/11 GOP outreach to Muslims, to this. The White Party.

74 Bulworth  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:12:35am

re: #73 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Yeah but Allen West is there so it all equals out.

//

75 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:13:17am

Really if you think Mitt Romney’s life is why America is great, you haven’t been paying attention. Hell, I’d say Mitt’s father’s life is a great example honestly since George Romney actually had to work hard to become successful. Mitt? Please. And don’t get me started on how he did everything he could to get out of serving his country all the while he supported the same war. Mitt Romney frankly is everything that’s wrong with this country.

76 Bulworth  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:13:25am

So has new conservative superhero ben carson speeched yet?

77 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:13:54am

re: #72 blueraven

Buying Chinese factory even after going on a tour that exposes the slave-like working conditions. Entrepreneur!!

With “Right to Work” laws in every state, we can open those factories here instead of overseas!!!1111

78 jaunte  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:14:12am

re: #73 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Yelling “RACE DOESN’T MATTER” is the new outreach.

79 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:15:07am

re: #78 jaunte

Yelling “RACE DOESN’T MATTER” is the new outreach.

BEHAVE YOURSELVES!

80 Bulworth  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:16:16am

When does former half governor Palin speak?

81 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:16:18am

Bryan Fischer Compares Being Gay To Robbing A Bank

The American Family Association’s Bryan Fischer is not thrilled by Sen. Rob Portman’s (R-OH) announcement that he now supports marriage equality because of what he has learned from his son being gay. Fischer explained that just because a child is something doesn’t mean a parent should support it. His comparison? Robbing a bank:

82 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:16:59am

re: #73 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Wow. They have given up any pretense of appealing to the minority vote.

Man, we went so fast from Bush’s cautious outreach to Hispanics, even pre-9/11 GOP outreach to Muslims, to this. The White Party.

Yeah but Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz, Nikki Haley! But yeah they’re becoming increasingly the party and ideology of angry white people. The more diverse America becomes. The more and more they’re going to find themselves as minorities and the more angry/radical they will get.

83 Skip Intro  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:17:07am

re: #58 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Black guy yelled at, at CPAC told “Race doesn’t matter” (with video).

“I’m trying to understand how come there’s no black people here. I’m trying to figure out why the outreach of the GOP and especially CPAC is not working with black citizens and I have yet to find an answer, only I get, all I’ve gotten is abrasive attitudes and people yelling because I guess I ask the tough question, just ask the simple question, where’s the inclusion? Where are the black people? I don’t know why that is so offensive?”

Hopefully he’s figured it out now.

84 Bulworth  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:17:54am

re: #81 Kragar (Antichrist )

Poor Bryan. Even his favorite wingnuts are abandoning him on his pet issue.

85 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:18:41am

re: #81 Kragar (Antichrist )

Bryan Fischer Compares Being Gay To Robbing A Bank

What about if your child has a talk show that spends his time running other people down? Because you know that Mr. and Mrs. Fischer are so proud of Bryan for doing all he can to make Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson look somewhat reasonable.//

86 Bulworth  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:19:05am

re: #83 Skip Intro

Hopefully he’s figured it out now.

There were blah people on stage!!!11111

87 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:19:39am

re: #84 Bulworth

Poor Bryan. Even his favorite wingnuts are abandoning him on his pet issue.

I doubt Portman was ever that high on Fischer’s favorite list. Remember when he was being rumored to be Romney’s VP, Fischer and the other nuts got mad because Portman isn’t “conservative enough” and that was before this reversal on gay marriage.

88 Destro  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:20:14am

re: #83 Skip Intro

re: #58 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Black guy yelled at, at CPAC told “Race doesn’t matter” (with video).

Race does not matter to them in that they don’t want to be reminded that there are minority races that matter.

89 Skip Intro  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:20:56am

re: #86 Bulworth

There were blah people on stage!!!11111

And sweeping the floors and cleaning the bathrooms. What a whiner that guy was. I can see why they threw him out.

90 Bulworth  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:21:15am

re: #87 HappyWarrior

Ah, well that’s true.

But any Republican defections from the Anti-Gay Jihad Lost Cause are a most bitter pill for the dead-enders.

91 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:21:20am

Eventually though being pro gay marriage is going to be like pro civil rights. There will be some fringe bigots who oppose equality but most of the other people will be wondering why even needed to have this conversation in the first place. And of course the conservatives of that day will try claiming that they championed gay rights while the liberals opposed it just like the right does now with Civil Rights.

92 Destro  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:21:39am

re: #89 Skip Intro

And sweeping the floors and cleaning the bathrooms. What a whiner that guy was. I can see why they threw him out.

I noticed the black people were in the security rent a cop detail…

93 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:22:02am

Don’t you just want to punch that smug, smirking ass in the mouth?

94 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:22:45am

re: #90 Bulworth

Ah, well that’s true.

But any Republican defections from the Anti-Gay Jihad Lost Cause are a most bitter pill for the dead-enders.

True, look at how the signatories of that NYT ad have gotten treated. I am of two minds about Portman’s change of heart fwiw but ultimately I suppose I am glad he did even if the reason was self-serving. If that’s what it takes for him to realize gays deserve equality under the law, then whatever I guess but I do still strongly wish it had taken real empathy.

95 jaunte  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:23:19am

re: #93 Vicious Babushka

“This is where people have told me the heart is.”

96 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:24:35am

re: #95 jaunte

“This is where people have told me the heart is.”

“I got a new chip installed, that’s why I was late.”

97 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:24:45am

re: #93 Vicious Babushka

Don’t you just want to punch that smug, smirking ass in the mouth?

Actually, he was covering up his wallet. His heart is still safely ensconced in his specially designed vault in La Jolla.

98 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:26:58am

re: #97 Kragar (Antichrist )

Actually, he was covering up his wallet. His heart is still safely ensconced in his specially designed vault in La Jolla.

His wallet would require a fleet of container ships to carry everything that’s in it.

99 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:29:43am

re: #58 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Black guy yelled at, at CPAC told “Race doesn’t matter” (with video).

Quick, get pictures of him!!

100 Decatur Deb  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:30:25am

re: #92 Destro

I noticed the black people were in the security rent a cop detail…

There was a nice Black Republican lady tweeting to collect photos of attending minorities—this should help her out.

101 Decatur Deb  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:31:25am

re: #99 Eclectic Cyborg

Quick, get pictures of him!!

44 seconds.

102 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:31:34am

White supremacist at CPAC is also a homophobe. (Not embedded, content warning.)

103 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:31:34am

All female panelists at CPAC are required to wear huge gaudy necklaces.

104 darthstar  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:31:48am

re: #93 Vicious Babushka

Don’t you just want to punch that smug, smirking ass in the mouth?

If Romney wanted to put his hand on his heart it would be in the back of Sean Hannity’s pants.

105 jaunte  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:32:02am
106 Bulworth  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:32:32am

re: #102 Vicious Babushka

I’m so shocked. Hard to believe those two sentiments would go together. //

107 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:33:23am
108 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:33:28am

re: #99 Eclectic Cyborg

Quick, get pictures of him!!

IT WILL PROVE WE”RE NOT BIGOTS EVEN THOUGH WE ACTED LIKE BIGOTS. Really, the guy asked a honest question. I think it’s very fair to ask why a large political conference is lily white especially as the country gets more and more diverse. But this is why conservatism at least conservatism as they know and want it is going down the wayside in this country. Their version of conservatism seeks to exclude rather than include, seeks to resent rather than appreciate, etc.

109 chadu  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:33:48am

re: #105 jaunte

Needs caption:

Image: Screen_shot_2013-03-15_at_1.29.46_PM.png

“I swear, that fish was this big!”

110 iossarian  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:34:12am

re: #102 Vicious Babushka

White supremacist at CPAC is also a homophobe. (Not embedded, content warning.)

That guy’s obviously a dick but his CPAC tweets just seem to be deliberate provocation.

111 Skip Intro  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:34:17am

You know your organization is in trouble when this guy is the sanest one in the room.

Image: GUNZGUNZGUNZ.jpg

112 Decatur Deb  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:34:52am

re: #108 HappyWarrior

IT WILL PROVE WE”RE NOT BIGOTS EVEN THOUGH WE ACTED LIKE BIGOTS. Really, the guy asked a honest question. I think it’s very fair to ask why a large political conference is lily white especially as the country gets more and more diverse. But this is why conservatism at least conservatism as they know and want it is going down the wayside in this country. Their version of conservatism seeks to exclude rather than include, seeks to resent rather than appreciate, etc.

By CPAC calculation, there was one too many nee-gros there.

113 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:35:57am

re: #107 Kragar (Antichrist )

What he just doesn’t get is there are a lot of people the GOP could get behind them if they dropped the stupid socially conservative bullshit.

114 Skip Intro  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:36:48am

re: #112 Decatur Deb

By CPAC calculation, there was one too many nee-gros there.

There’s a big difference, you know, between our coloreds like Allen and Herman, and their ni**ers.

115 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:38:23am

# conservativedirtytalk

“Oh yeah baby, harder, that’s it…oooh yeah, drill, baby drill…ooh I like it when you play rough…come on baby, treat me like I’m poor…”

116 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:38:25am

Trump: Let In More (White) Immigrants

For Republicans worried that creating a path to citizenship for 11 million undocumented immigrants will simply create 11 million more Democratic voters, Donald Trump has a solution. Bring in more European immigrants.

Speaking at the Conservative Political Action Conference outside of Washington, D.C., on Friday, Trump warned that Republicans are on a “suicide mission” if they support immigration reform, claiming that every single illegal immigrant will end up voting Democratic.

117 darthstar  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:38:38am
118 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:39:01am

Of course, Fischer like most GOP idiots buys the bullshit that Millennials/Gen Y are economic leftists. We’re not. We don’t buy the stupid Tea Party anti government crap but we’re not rushing to socialism either. And we’re pro gay marriage because we have gay friends who we strongly feel should have equality under the law. That’s something that even some of the College Republicans I knew in school could agree on. The more the Republican party tries to stay the party of social reactionaries like Bryan Fischer, the more they’re going to turn off people in my generation and frankly I am fine with that because the Republican Party doesn’t deserve power.

119 Decatur Deb  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:39:20am

re: #114 Skip Intro

There’s a big difference, you know, between our coloreds like Allen and Herman, and their ni**ers.

If you listen carefully, he was actually laying down a pro-business, mainstreaming line.

120 Destro  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:39:44am

The GOP used to be a great political party but it never recovered from being the party that was for prohibition, was linked to the Great Depression, resisted SS and the New Deal and resisted fighting Hitler and the Japanese threats.

It came back in the 50s but it had to build a coalition of fringe groups to win over the Democrats but it still had as it’s base the old Republican party base that was bolstered by the fringe wing nuts.

But as of today, the GOP is all fringe and no steady base. The party is literally over and if it survives it is through gerrymandering and regional popularity.

121 Skip Intro  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:39:52am

re: #93 Vicious Babushka

Don’t you just want to punch that smug, smirking ass in the mouth?

This is where I keep the secret bank account numbers.

122 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:39:55am

re: #116 Kragar (Antichrist )

Trump: Let In More (White) Immigrants

Europeans don’t WANT to come here. They have fancy things we don’t like Universal Health care and strong environmental regulations. Also, they are generally happier with fewer guns around.

123 Single-handed sailor  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:39:57am

re: #116 Kragar (Antichrist )

Euro-commie immigrants? They’ll vote Democratic too!

124 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:40:04am

re: #116 Kragar (Antichrist )

Trump: Let In More (White) Immigrants

European immigrants aren’t going to like the GOP anymore than the non-European ones because they’re not going to like some right wing dipshit giving them a hard time for having an accent.

125 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:40:55am

re: #124 HappyWarrior

European immigrants aren’t going to like the GOP anymore than the non-European ones because they’re not going to like some right wing dipshit giving them a hard time for having an accent.

Heh, that makes me want to load up a bunch of white Russians on a plane…

126 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:41:20am

re: #110 iossarian

That guy’s obviously a dick but his CPAC tweets just seem to be deliberate provocation.

It’s hard to tell the racist twitter accounts from the “parody” but here’s a clue: if someone creates a Twitter account just to “parody” being a racist, it’s a racist. Krafty is a racist whether or not it’s also a Klown.

127 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:41:42am
128 Single-handed sailor  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:42:18am

re: #125 Eclectic Cyborg

Heh, that makes me want to load up a bunch of white Russians on a plane…

I do that when I fly too.

129 Decatur Deb  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:42:59am

re: #125 Eclectic Cyborg

Heh, that makes me want to load up a bunch of white Russians on a plane…

“Do you not get it, lads? The Irish are the blacks of Europe. And Dubliners are the blacks of Ireland. And the Northside Dubliners are the blacks of Dublin. So say it once, say it loud: I’m black and I’m proud. “

130 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:43:00am

re: #125 Eclectic Cyborg

Heh, that makes me want to load up a bunch of white Russians on a plane…

I need to see The Dude about that one.

131 EPR-radar  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:43:14am

re: #124 HappyWarrior

European immigrants aren’t going to like the GOP anymore than the non-European ones because they’re not going to like some right wing dipshit giving them a hard time for having an accent.

That a funny reversal of the old question of where would disgruntled US wingnuts emigrate to?

After all, the US is the wingnuttiest country in the developed world.

132 Destro  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:43:49am

re: #118 HappyWarrior

Of course, Fischer like most GOP idiots buys the bullshit that Millennials/Gen Y are economic leftists. We’re not. We don’t buy the stupid Tea Party anti government crap but we’re not rushing to socialism either. And we’re pro gay marriage because we have gay friends who we strongly feel should have equality under the law. That’s something that even some of the College Republicans I knew in school could agree on. The more the Republican party tries to stay the party of social reactionaries like Bryan Fischer, the more they’re going to turn off people in my generation and frankly I am fine with that because the Republican Party doesn’t deserve power.

What we are mostly libertarians on social issues and pro safety net on economic issues which means govt helps people. If Millennials/Gen Y had factory jobs that the pro free trade Republicans exported maybe they would not feel they needed govt help in getting jobs or healthcare, etc.

My 2 young cents.

133 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:43:55am

Bill Nye is the only person I’ve ever seen wear a bow tie and make it work.

134 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:44:10am

re: #131 EPR-radar

That a funny reversal of the old question of where would disgruntled US wingnuts emigrate to?

After all, the US is the wingnuttiest country in the developed world.

Somalia is the land where they could live according to the values they support.

135 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:44:24am

re: #129 Decatur Deb

“Do you not get it, lads? The Irish are the blacks of Europe. And Dubliners are the blacks of Ireland. And the Northside Dubliners are the blacks of Dublin. So say it once, say it loud: I’m black and I’m proud. “

Ah the Committments right? Never saw the movie but my Dad had the soundtrack on cassette when I was growing up. And everyone knows Galwagians or however the bloody how you spell it are the blacks of Ireland. Since we’re actually mostly Black Irish! (Need some excuse to explain my dark hair and blue eyes)

136 engineer cat  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:44:43am

how’s this for my new dating profile?

eccentric, logorrheic, intense, peculiar, well heeled bohemian engineer, loves pre-indo-european substrates, ars nova composers, elegant dynamic programming algorithms, obscure and poorly documented historical periods, and neurotic curvacious sex obsessed literary misplaced hyperbolic women who know the difference between ibid and ovid and don’t give me a blank look when i say the name ‘proust’

yeah, ok, too weird, as usual…

137 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:44:48am

re: #127 Charles Johnson

Bowties are cool /The Doctor

But then again The Doctor thinks fezzes are cool too. And those aren’t.

138 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:45:20am

re: #133 Charles Johnson

Bill Nye is the only person I’ve ever seen wear a bow tie and make it work.

Bow ties are cool.

139 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:45:40am

I WANT PEOPLE TO COME AND WORK FOR FREE!!!111


140 EPR-radar  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:45:59am

re: #136 engineer cat

Don’t knock it too hard. It’s a hell of a lot better than anything I could come up with.

141 Destro  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:46:23am

re: #122 Eclectic Cyborg

Europeans don’t WANT to come here. They have fancy things we don’t like Universal Health care and strong environmental regulations. Also, they are generally happier with fewer guns around.

I have been hearing the talk radio show hosts on the right say the Kennedy immigration reforms of the 60s was done to change the demographics of white America and that is just bullshit.

People forget that the reason we had to change our immigration laws which were pretty much skewed to letting in only Europeans was that by the 1960s western Europe was booming and comfortable except in some places (eastern Europe was under the Iron Curtain) and the USA was not getting in immigrants anymore to do cheap menial labor.

142 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:46:50am

re: #139 Vicious Babushka

What a bunch of DERP in that Tweet.
1. It’s INFO not INDO
2. You can’t DM someone unless they’re already following you.

143 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:47:22am

Image: connery_bond.jpg
I dunno, Charles. Connery looks like he rocks it pretty well*
*I have and have no plans to wear a bow tie. I don’t even like wearing a regular tie.

144 makeitstop  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:47:28am

re: #93 Vicious Babushka

Don’t you just want to punch that smug, smirking ass in the mouth?

Smarmy patrician is smarmy.

145 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:47:55am

re: #133 Charles Johnson

Bill Nye is the only person I’ve ever seen wear a bow tie and make it work.

The late Sen. Paul Simon did too.

146 bubba zanetti  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:48:27am

re: #139 Vicious Babushka

DM for indo? Somebody retweet this with the #420 hashtag.

147 engineer cat  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:48:51am
148 Destro  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:49:11am

re: #145 William Barnett-Lewis

The late Sen. Paul Simon did too.

I am not a Black Muslim and I don’t agree with their ideology in any way shape or form but they do make the bow tie work for their look in that it seems as scary as fuck on them rather than nerdy.

149 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:49:12am

re: #146 bubba zanetti

DM for indo? Somebody retweet this with the #420 hashtag.

Indo? More like outdo.

150 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:49:20am

White supremacist complains about racism.

151 Bulworth  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:50:05am

re: #145 William Barnett-Lewis

The late Sen. Paul Simon did too.

I’m old enough to remember current U.S. Senator Al Franken donning the bow-tie to play Senator Simon during SNL’s skit on the Democratic debates of ‘88.

152 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:50:15am

re: #150 Vicious Babushka

White supremacist complains about racism.

Because redneck crackers humping their cousins are never in debt.

153 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:51:36am

Wow a building in D.C is in a neighborhood within D.C, how shocking.

154 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:52:48am

re: #152 Kragar (Antichrist )

Because redneck crackers humping their cousins are never in debt.

fiscally responsible except when they’re blaming Nobama and Liburls for why they don’t have jobs and health care.

155 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:53:34am

re: #111 Skip Intro

You know your organization is in trouble when this guy is the sanest one in the room.

Image: GUNZGUNZGUNZ.jpg

I thought he was auditioning for the role of the Scarecrow in the next remake of the Wizard of Oz.
O_o

156 Lidane  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:53:52am

My surprise, let me show you it:

157 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:53:53am

Stay classy guys:

Government Is Not God PAC Warns Rob Portman That His Son May Now Die of AIDS, Should Go To Ex-Gay Therapy

The Religious Right organization in a blog post today warned Portman that homosexuality is “a sexually destructive behavior,” and is “accepting a behavior that may eventually kill his son from AIDS, other sexually transmitted diseases, or oral cancer.”

“Homosexual sex is ultimately just as destructive as cocaine use,” GING-PAC said in the post. “Would Portman suddenly call for the legalization of cocaine if his son had announced that he was a cocaine addict?”

158 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:54:06am

re: #91 HappyWarrior

Eventually though being pro gay marriage is going to be like pro civil rights. There will be some fringe bigots who oppose equality but most of the other people will be wondering why even needed to have this conversation in the first place. And of course the conservatives of that day will try claiming that they championed gay rights while the liberals opposed it just like the right does now with Civil Rights.

Even today there’s still some on the fringes that are deeply opposed to interracial marriages/relationships. A handful, I’m sure, would probably like to see the old anti-miscegnation laws reinstated.

159 Political Atheist  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:54:23am

re: #133 Charles Johnson

Bill Nye is the only person I’ve ever seen wear a bow tie and make it work.

Aww come on. Pee Wee rocked it!
///

Image: 170px-Pee-Wee_Herman_(1988).jpg

160 engineer cat  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:54:25am

sartorial hint for bow tie wearing:

can’t be too symmetrical - after you tie it, mess it up a little until it looks cool

161 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:55:28am
162 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:56:50am

re: #157 Kragar (Antichrist )

Stay classy guys:

Government Is Not God PAC Warns Rob Portman That His Son May Now Die of AIDS, Should Go To Ex-Gay Therapy

I hope Portman learns through this incident that his “friends” suck.

163 EPR-radar  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:57:22am

re: #31 lawhawk

Sensible people refer to Wayne LaPierre as “crazy” because that is a well established fact.

It is not ‘elitist’ to participate in reality, despite conservative claims to the contrary.

164 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:57:44am

re: #158 Dr Lizardo

Even today there’s still some on the fringes that are deeply opposed to interracial marriages/relationships. A handful, I’m sure, would probably like to see the old anti-miscegnation laws reinstated.

IT was pretty disturbing to see a poll that said a majority of Mississippi Republicans think interracial marriage should be illegal. I mean holy shit batman, Loving Vs Virginia was decided in 1967.

165 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:57:47am

re: #159 Political Atheist

Aww come on. Pee Wee rocked it!
///

Image: 170px-Pee-Wee_Herman_(1988).jpg

I rest my case.

166 Gus  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:57:52am
167 iossarian  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:57:59am

re: #126 Vicious Babushka

It’s hard to tell the racist twitter accounts from the “parody” but here’s a clue: if someone creates a Twitter account just to “parody” being a racist, it’s a racist. Krafty is a racist whether or not it’s also a Klown.

True that. I more meant that it comes across as attention-seeking rather than actually trying to make any kind of point. But absolutely, if you spew that kind of crap it says something about you.

168 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 11:59:11am

re: #167 iossarian

True that. I more meant that it comes across as attention-seeking rather than actually trying to make any kind of point. But absolutely, if you spew that kind of crap it says something about you.

A white comedian who is constantly shouting N[clang]! N[clang]! N[clang]! really enjoys it.

169 iossarian  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:00:42pm

re: #166 Gus

Image: Moore-bowtie-798x1024.jpg

So much win. So much Bond.

“I need you, James.”

“So does England!”

170 calochortus  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:01:12pm

re: #158 Dr Lizardo

Even today there’s still some on the fringes that are deeply opposed to interracial marriages/relationships. A handful, I’m sure, would probably like to see the old anti-miscegnation laws reinstated.

Remember, melanin or the lack of it is a person’s defining characteristic…

171 engineer cat  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:02:59pm

re: #164 HappyWarrior

interracial marriage

a large number of them would have to divorce their ancestors

172 Gus  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:03:08pm

re: #169 iossarian

So much win. So much Bond.

“I need you, James.”

“So does England!”

“James Bond” “bow tie”

173 jaunte  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:05:20pm

re: #172 Gus

This is a style I can handle:
Image: james-bond-298x300.jpg

174 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:05:27pm

re: #172 Gus

“James Bond” “bow tie”

Bow tie does not count when it’s part of a tuxedo.

175 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:06:07pm

re: #148 Destro

I am not a Black Muslim and I don’t agree with their ideology in any way shape or form but they do make the bow tie work for their look in that it seems as scary as fuck on them rather than nerdy.

LOL. You’re right. The NOI can make a bow-tie look absolutely menacing. And some damned dapper suits as well.

176 Gus  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:06:47pm

re: #173 jaunte

This is a style I can handle:
Image: james-bond-298x300.jpg

I hate ties. That feeling of being choked.

177 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:06:54pm

Traditional Values Coalition: Homosexuality Is Just Like Drunk Driving

Andrea Lafferty of the Traditional Values Coalition is mocking Sen. Rob Portman’s recent announcement that he changed his views on marriage equality after his son came out of the closet. Lafferty asked in a statement if a politician would support drunk driving if his son was a drunk driver. She maintained that civilization is “doomed to collapse” if gay rights laws succeed, and Portman should have told his son that it is “wrong” to be gay.

178 iossarian  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:07:00pm

re: #172 Gus

“James Bond” “bow tie”

I’ve always been partial to:

“James Bond” “safari suit”

myself.

179 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:07:14pm
180 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:08:02pm

re: #179 Charles Johnson

I’d settle for just stop trying to impose their moral agenda on the country.

181 Gus  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:08:12pm

re: #174 Vicious Babushka

Bow tie does not count when it’s part of a tuxedo.

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182 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:08:18pm

re: #177 Kragar (Antichrist )

Traditional Values Coalition: Homosexuality Is Just Like Drunk Driving

Attention nutbars: Homosexual sex is NOT ILLEGAL, the other crap you’re trying to compare it to (cocaine, bank robbery, drunk driving) IS.

183 engineer cat  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:08:42pm

actual ian fleming wearing a bow tie

note the “casual” style of the way it is tied

184 iossarian  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:08:51pm

SOCIALISM!!!

DJI 14,495.86

google.com

185 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:09:02pm

re: #179 Charles Johnson

And this is the man considered the 2016 frontrunner? Good grief.

186 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:09:15pm

re: #182 Eclectic Cyborg

Attention nutbars: Homosexual sex is NOT ILLEGAL, the other crap you’re trying to compare it to (cocaine, bank robbery, drunk driving) IS.

Except they believe it should be just as illegal and that criminal punishments should be imposed, just like in the good ole days.

187 Destro  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:09:16pm

re: #182 Eclectic Cyborg

Attention nutbars: Homosexual sex is NOT ILLEGAL, the other crap you’re trying to compare it to (cocaine, bank robbery, drunk driving) IS.

It used to be illegal and they won’t accept gay as legal.

188 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:09:27pm

re: #179 Charles Johnson

Nah Bobby, maybe you could stop being moralizing dicks who think it’s terrible for the government to get involved in health care reform but have no problem using the government as an instrument for their morality. Seriously what a clown and this guy is supposed to be an “intellectual voice.”

189 kirkspencer  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:09:35pm

re: #176 Gus

I hate ties. That feeling of being choked.

I made two changes and the choking feeling went away. First, I made sure the collar wasn’t too tight. Second, I only snugged the tie to the collar, not my neck. Now I can wear ties all day long without bother, without feeling choked.

190 engineer cat  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:10:02pm

re: #184 iossarian

SOCIALISM!!!

DJI 14,495.86

[Link: www.google.com…]

speaking of which, mitt making his cpac speech this morning sure sounded like he’s thinking of running for something in 2014/2016

191 jaunte  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:10:06pm

Jindal, bravely promising to go down with the ship.

192 Lidane  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:10:28pm

re: #177 Kragar (Antichrist )

Traditional Values Coalition: Homosexuality Is Just Like Drunk Driving

I love how all these bigots are convinced that Portman should have disowned his son, or sent him to “ex-gay” brainwashing therapy or otherwise told him that he was doomed to eternal Hellfire just for being gay.

These people have a very fucked up view of how a loving parent should treat their kids.

193 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:11:04pm

re: #177 Kragar (Antichrist )

Traditional Values Coalition: Homosexuality Is Just Like Drunk Driving

And this is why I am glad Portman did what he did. I hope he does realize how bigoted conservatism in this country is now. I don’t expect him to do a 180 but maybe he’ll understand better why the left rightfully doesn’t like homophobic bullshit disguised as morals.

194 iossarian  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:11:07pm

re: #189 kirkspencer

I made two changes and the choking feeling went away. First, I made sure the collar wasn’t too tight. Second, I only snugged the tie to the collar, not my neck. Now I can wear ties all day long without bother, without feeling choked.

Menswear top tip: avoid that “snagged” feeling by safely tucking your dick into your briefs *before* zipping up.

195 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:11:21pm

re: #189 kirkspencer

I made two changes and the choking feeling went away. First, I made sure the collar wasn’t too tight. Second, I only snugged the tie to the collar, not my neck. Now I can wear ties all day long without bother, without feeling choked.

When I was in security forces, we all wore clipons for safety.

196 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:11:40pm

It looks like Krafty and vdare are BFF’s. My surprise, just imagine it.

197 Lidane  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:11:54pm

The party of personal freedom, y’all:

198 kirkspencer  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:12:01pm

re: #195 Kragar (Antichrist )

When I was in security forces, we all wore clipons for safety.

Oh yes. You do NOT need to give the other guy a convenient handle.

199 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:12:04pm

Has Jindal reached the “FUCK THE POOR” part of his speech yet?

200 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:12:50pm

re: #197 Lidane

The party of personal freedom, y’all:

Yeah, that will be overturned.

Fucking morons. Obstruction is the only tool they have.

201 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:12:53pm

re: #197 Lidane

The party of personal freedom, y’all:

Doesn’t it take, like, 18 hours to drive from one end of North Dakota to the other?

202 EPR-radar  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:12:54pm

re: #192 Lidane

I love how all these bigots are convinced that Portman should have disowned his son, or sent him to “ex-gay” brainwashing therapy or otherwise told him that he was doomed to eternal Hellfire just for being gay.

These people are have a very fucked up view of how a loving parent should treat their kids.

FTFY.

203 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:13:06pm

re: #192 Lidane

I love how all these bigots are convinced that Portman should have disowned his son, or sent him to “ex-gay” brainwashing therapy or otherwise told him that he was doomed to eternal Hellfire just for being gay.

These people have a very fucked up view of how a loving parent should treat their kids.

They want him to follow the Alan Keyes model and shame his son. I dislike Dick Cheney but Dick Cheney actually acted like a loving father on this issue and it seems Portman is too. I have to wonder though. Article I read said that Portman found in 2011 that his son was gay. Romney vetted Portman. I wonder if this was one of the reasons he went with Ryan ultimately given the hostility of the GOP base to gay people and Portman not wanting ot put his family through that.

204 Gus  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:13:48pm

re: #197 Lidane

The party of personal freedom, y’all:

205 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:15:01pm

re: #201 Vicious Babushka

Doesn’t it take, like, 18 hours to drive from one end of North Dakota to the other?

That doesn’t sound right. I’ve driven from CA to NC in 36 hours.

206 EPR-radar  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:15:05pm

re: #204 Gus

Personal freedom is only for men in GOP-world.

207 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:15:36pm

re: #206 EPR-radar

Personal freedom is only for straight men in GOP-world.

and I say that as a straight guy.

208 Gus  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:15:48pm

re: #206 EPR-radar

Personal freedom is only for men in GOP-world.

This should work out great alongside North Dakota’s current boom town environments. Not.

209 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:16:43pm

re: #205 Kragar (Antichrist )

That doesn’t sound right. I’ve driven for CA to NC in 36 hours.

Yes, but I bet you used interstates.
;)

210 erik_t  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:17:19pm

re: #203 HappyWarrior

They want him to follow the Alan Keyes model and shame his son. I dislike Dick Cheney but Dick Cheney actually acted like a loving father on this issue and it seems Portman is too. I have to wonder though. Article I read said that Portman found in 2011 that his son was gay. Romney vetted Portman. I wonder if this was one of the reasons he went with Ryan ultimately given the hostility of the GOP base to gay people and Portman not wanting ot put his family through that.

Corollary: let’s not heap Portman with the absolute highest of praises for daring to come out in favor of gay marriage only after the VPship was no longer a possibility.

Good on him for eventually doing the right thing, but I don’t think it took him two years to decide whether or not he felt his son should have equal rights.

211 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:17:32pm
212 Lidane  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:18:14pm

re: #201 Vicious Babushka

Doesn’t it take, like, 18 hours to drive from one end of North Dakota to the other?

No, that’s Texas if you hit all the shitty traffic spots.

Wikipedia says that North Dakota is 210 miles wide, so that’s about 3.5 hours from one side of the state to the other.

213 Gus  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:18:34pm
214 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:19:08pm

re: #212 Lidane

No, that’s Texas if you hit all the shitty traffic spots.

Wikipedia says that North Dakota is 210 miles wide, so that’s about 3.5 hours from one side of the state to the other.

But what kind of roads do they have? How many Interstates run through ND?

215 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:19:57pm

re: #210 erik_t

Corollary: let’s not heap Portman with the absolute highest of praises for daring to come out in favor of gay marriage only after the VPship was no longer a possibility.

Good on him for eventually doing the right thing, but I don’t think it took him two years to decide whether or not he felt his son should have equal rights.

Oh believe me I am not going to leap heaps of praises for Portman. I know damn well that if his son wasn’t gay, he would still be anti gay marriage and I have a problem with that. I give him praise for changing his position and not being a total dickhole like Fischer and Lafferty want him to be to his son. I am though wondering if his son’s homosexuality may have played a role in why he didn’t get the VP nod or why he may have possibly turned it down even.

216 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:20:26pm

re: #213 Gus

Saw this on facebook earlier. Now, Bryan Fischer, that’s how a father acts. With wit and love.

217 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:20:31pm

Accused Steubenville rapist’s text: Victim was like ‘dead body’ that night

Two suspects, 17-year-old Trent Mays and 16-year-old Ma’lik Richmond are facing rape charges and are being tried in joint trials in Steubenville. Both boys are players on the town’s champion football team, a factor which has purportedly clouded the investigation and caused prosecutors to drag their feet rather than risk opprobrium by dragging two of the town’s young heroes before the court.

Nonetheless, the texts, pulled from the phones of 17 students, paint a damning portrait of Mays and his codefendant, as well as many of the town’s young people. The messages range from profane to disturbing, enraging to pathetically sad.

The sheer volume of texted information taken in as part of the investigation was like nothing Katie Hanna of the Ohio Alliance to End Sexual Assault had ever seen before, one of the largest cell phone culls in state history.

“It was an extraordinary level of evidence and detail,” said Hanna. “I’ve never heard of anything like it.”

On the August, 2012 night in question, Mays and Richardson allegedly took photos and video as they manually penetrated the dazed, unconscious girl and allowed other boys to urinate on her. The victim, a 16-year-old West Virginia girl attended a neighboring high school and was either very drunk or under the influence of drugs on the night of the assaults.

At 2:20 a.m., when a friend texted to ask Mays what he was doing, he replied, “We’re hitting it for real.”

Texts followed from other boys seeking lurid details. “Did you fuck her?” they asked.

Mays sent out images of the assault, including images taken in of him in a car inserting his fingers into the unconscious girl’s vagina.

“Hey buddy,” one student texted, “you want to send me that pic because you love me?”

Some of the boys called her “the dead girl” and opined that intercourse with her would not be pleasurable in her unconscious state.

“LOL,” Mays replied, “she couldn’t even move.”

The girl, he wrote, “was like a dead body.” He claimed he didn’t try to orally sodomize her because she “would have thrown up.”

Among the texts Gibb read to the court were subsequent messages from the victim, whose memories of the whole night were lost to whatever deadening substances were in her system at the time. Friends contacted her as images from the night of the alleged assaults began to circulate on the web and between the teenagers’ smart phones.

“If that is [semen] on you that is fucking crazy,” a friend texted her.

“I hate my life,” the victim wrote. “I don’t even know what the fuck happened to me.”

“OK, tell me right now what the fuck happened last night and don’t lie to me,” she wrote to Mays. “We need to talk about this right now.”

“Nothing happen [sic] last night,” Mays replied. “You fucked last night and that’s it.”

In an email she sent Mays later, she wrote, “Why the fuck would you let that happen … seriously, you have no fucking respect … why wouldn’t you try to help me?”

The question could be applied to any of the teenagers who were aware of the crime as it happened. One boy, 16-year-old Michael Nodianos, made a video where he laughed about the rape, making jokes and saying of the victim, “She is so raped right now.”

218 Tigger2  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:20:32pm

re: #116 Kragar (Antichrist )

Trump: Let In More (White) Immigrants

The only problem with that is a lot of the white Europeans i have talked to are farther left then the republicans are.

219 erik_t  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:20:36pm

re: #212 Lidane

No, that’s Texas if you hit all the shitty traffic spots.

Wikipedia says that North Dakota is 210 miles wide, so that’s about 3.5 hours from one side of the state to the other.

Like five or six other western states, North Dakota is seven degrees of longitude wide. This reflects an intentional effort on the part of Congress to create and admit states that were equal.

________———_______☆
The more you know…

220 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:21:44pm

re: #217 Kragar (Antichrist )

Accused Steubenville rapist’s text: Victim was like ‘dead body’ that night

I hate people sometimes. And these kids are a good exhibit A.

221 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:23:05pm

re: #220 HappyWarrior

I hate people sometimes. And these kids are a good exhibit A.

Literally everything I hear about that case makes me want to raze Steubenville to the ground.

222 EPR-radar  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:23:40pm

re: #218 Tigger2

The only problem with that is a lot of the white Europeans i have talked to are farther left then the republicans are.

There should also be many white Europeans who are well to the left of the Democratic party.

223 Lidane  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:24:06pm

re: #214 Vicious Babushka

But what kind of roads do they have? How many Interstates run through ND?

The list of their highways is here It looks like I-94 cuts across it from east to west, so I’d imagine you could get from one side of the state to the other fairly quick. Well, if you had money and a car anyhow.

224 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:24:17pm

re: #214 Vicious Babushka

The only North Dakota clinic is located in Fargo. That means someone on the other side of the state would have to either go to the nearest clinic in another state, or ride across the entire state to obtain services.

And actually, if you’re on the other side of the state, your nearest clinic might still be hundreds of miles away. Montana’s only clinic is in Bozeman (Wyoming and Utah have no clinics?)

225 erik_t  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:24:36pm

re: #221 Kragar (Antichrist )

Literally everything I here about that case makes me want to raze Steubenville to the ground.

The residents might not blame you. They’d get insurance money and they’d get to leave.

Sad rotting corpses of once-strong cities don’t bring out the best in human society.

226 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:25:14pm
227 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:25:26pm

re: #225 erik_t

The residents might not blame you. They’d get insurance money and they’d get to leave.

Sad rotting corpses of once-strong cities don’t bring out the best in human society.

Who said they could leave?

228 Bulworth  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:26:19pm

re: #220 HappyWarrior

I hate people sometimes. And these kids are a good exhibit A.

Well, this is how people in our corrupt liberal big cities behave. Oh wait….

////

Steubenville is also home to a Catholic college, which has several wingnutty faculty members. Just as a cultural fyi, don’t know much about the area other than that.

229 Kronocide  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:27:05pm

re: #213 Gus

That’s killer.

230 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:27:10pm

re: #221 Kragar (Antichrist )

Literally everything I here about that case makes me want to raze Steubenville to the ground.

I’m with ya. I have no children of my own but I can’t help but to think of my little cousins whenever I hear someone try to make raping a girl out to be not that bad or worse that the girl somehow deserved it because of what she was wearing or how she acted.

231 Lidane  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:27:15pm

re: #221 Kragar (Antichrist )

Literally everything I here about that case makes me want to raze Steubenville to the ground.

Same here. Raze it to the ground and leave it as a testament to this country’s fetish for student athletes over basic human decency.

232 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:27:59pm

re: #220 HappyWarrior

This goes to something that Obdicut wrote about the other day - the question shouldn’t be what the girl was wearing or doing that make her the victim, but what the guy was taught about properly treating women in their lives.

It does seem that this town has long had a distorted view of women and how men there treat women. I mention this because former porn star Traci Lords has acknowledged that she too was from Steubenville and was raped when she was a teen. Moreover, her mom was likewise raped.

Former Porn actress Traci Lords has come forward to say that she was raped as a young girl growing up in Steubenville, Ohio, the site of an explosive rape trial involving two high school football players.

Speaking to CNN’s Piers Morgan on Thursday, the 44-year-old starlet said she was just ten years old when she was attacked by a 14-year-old boy.

“I was born and raised in Steubenville, Ohio and I was raped in Ohio, as was my mother,” she said.

The tight-knit town is plagued by alcohol abuse and a troubling culture where boys are brought up to disrespect women, she told Morgan.

“I think there’s a thickness in that city.”

233 Targetpractice  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:28:13pm

re: #217 Kragar (Antichrist )

Accused Steubenville rapist’s text: Victim was like ‘dead body’ that night

But hey, we shouldn’t arrest or try them, because their football team has a chance at a championship and addressing such a heinous crime just isn’t worth denying the town that championship.

///(BRB, rinsing bile out of mouth)

234 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:28:29pm

I’m amazed that not a single person at CPAC seems to give a shit that their web feed’s audio has been screwed up all freaking day. Sheer incompetence.

235 chadu  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:29:36pm

re: #213 Gus

That is fricking lovely.

Had a similar reaction when my college roommate came out to me and another friend at Zeno’s in State College.

Me: “Okay.”

Friend: “And? (beat) Are you attracted to me?”

Roomie: “No.”

Me: “Are you attracted to me?”

Roomie: “No.”

Me: “Then get up and buy another pitcher of porter; this one’s cashed.”

236 Bulworth  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:29:50pm
Steubenville. Both boys are players on the town’s champion football team, a factor which has purportedly clouded the investigation and caused prosecutors to drag their feet rather than risk opprobrium by dragging two of the town’s young heroes before the court.

This on the heels of rape allegations against football players at ND and Montana State (or U of Montana). The Montana allegation in particular also involved a date-rape situation. In that case the accused was recently acquitted.

I’m kind of a college football watching addict, although what I learn about the culture surrounding much of it is not encouraging.

237 EPR-radar  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:30:18pm

re: #217 Kragar (Antichrist )

I have seen the foolish argument that there is no rape culture in the US because we aren’t as bad on this issue as Saudi Arabia.

1) Using Saudi Arabia as a point of comparison is setting the bar unacceptably low.

2) The Steubenville case is a dreadful example of rape culture in the US. The perps did not think they were committing any crime, which is why there is a mountain of evidence.

238 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:30:26pm

re: #233 Targetpractice

But hey, we shouldn’t arrest or try them, because their football team has a chance at a championship and addressing such a heinous crime just isn’t worth denying the town that championship.

///(BRB, rinsing bile out of mouth)

The local cops and courts pretty much took that approach to the whole thing before they got hacked and the text message went national.

239 Targetpractice  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:32:10pm

re: #238 Kragar (Antichrist )

The local cops and courts pretty much took that approach to the whole thing before they got hacked and the text message went national.

Ayep. It’s like watching the mirror universe scenario of the Duke “Rape” case, with the media operating in a virtual blackout in order to facilitate the local law enforcement’s attempts to work a cover-up.

240 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:32:32pm

re: #232 lawhawk

This goes to something that Obdicut wrote about the other day - the question shouldn’t be what the girl was wearing or doing that make her the victim, but what the guy was taught about properly treating women in their lives.

It does seem that this town has long had a distorted view of women and how men there treat women. I mention this because former porn star Traci Lords has acknowledged that she too was from Steubenville and was raped when she was a teen. Moreover, her mom was likewise raped.

I agree very strongly with that. I don’t care how much I and or she’s drank, if she’s saying no to me, it means no, end of story. Why some guys don’t get that and why others think it’s acceptable still is something I just don’t get it.

241 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:32:46pm

If only she had an AR-15, then… something.

242 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:33:18pm

“Professional” sports is a fucking plague.

243 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:33:29pm

re: #237 EPR-radar

I have seen the foolish argument that there is no rape culture in the US because we aren’t as bad on this issue as Saudi Arabia.

1) Using Saudi Arabia as a point of comparison is setting the bar unacceptably low.

2) The Steubenville case is a dreadful example of rape culture in the US. The perps did not think they were committing any crime, which is why there is a mountain of evidence.

Using Saudi Arabia as an example? God how stupid.

244 EPR-radar  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:33:35pm

re: #240 HappyWarrior

I agree very strongly with that. I don’t care how much I and or she’s drank, if she’s saying no to me, it means no, end of story. Why some guys don’t get that and why others think it’s acceptable still is something I just don’t get it.

If someone is in no position to say yes or no, then the default has to be NO.

245 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:34:13pm

re: #244 EPR-radar

If someone is in no position to say yes or no, then the default has to be NO.

No doubt.

246 Lidane  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:34:14pm

re: #234 Charles Johnson

I’m amazed that not a single person at CPAC seems to give a shit that their web feed’s audio has been screwed up all freaking day. Sheer incompetence.

The Founders didn’t have the internet and they did just fine.

Why do you hate America?

/////

247 EPR-radar  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:35:17pm

re: #242 Kragar (Antichrist )

“Professional” sports is a fucking plague.

Especially when it pretends to be some form of amateur competition (e.g., College Sports Inc., some high school sports, increasingly the Olympics).

248 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:36:36pm

The Steubenville Defense Will Center on Date Rape Not Existing

“Defense attorneys believe the girl, who lived across the river in Weirton, W.Va., made a decision to excessively drink and — against her friends’ wishes — to leave with the boys. They assert that she consented to sex,” reports the Cleveland Plain-Dealer’s Rachel Dissell. Richmond’s attorney, Walter Madison, is getting specific, citing “an abundance of evidence here that she was making decisions, cognitive choices … She didn’t affirmatively say no.”

BULLSHIT!

249 EPR-radar  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:36:43pm

re: #243 HappyWarrior

Using Saudi Arabia as an example? God how stupid.

The comparison to Saudi Arabia is getting close to being a wingnut talking point.

250 Interesting Times  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:36:47pm

re: #231 Lidane

Same here. Raze it to the ground and leave it as a testament to this country’s fetish for student athletes over basic human decency.

From what I’ve heard, Texas is rather notorious for that. I can’t help but wonder how many times a Steubenville has happened there, only we never knew about it because there were no texts or videos.

251 erik_t  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:38:56pm

re: #232 lawhawk

The tight-knit town is plagued by alcohol abuse and a troubling culture where boys are brought up to disrespect women, she told Morgan.

Ah. “Tight-knit”. Code for: everyone who could escape already has.

252 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:39:22pm

re: #250 Interesting Times

From what I’ve heard, Texas is rather notorious for that. I can’t help but wonder how many times a Steubenville has happened there, only we never knew about it because there were no texts or videos.

Yeah I’ve some clips of that show. I thought I was watching a show about a college or even pro program. Anyhow, I remember the football players at my HS. They weren’t the Gods they’re made out to be in some places but that’s because high school football isn’t a huge deal around here and these were guys I had grown up with. Hell I won’t lie though, I wanted to play freshman ball. Wanted some glory but I got diagnosed with my heart condition in a check up for a murmur since those run in my family.

253 Dr. Matt  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:40:14pm

Go Blue!

espn.go.com

254 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:40:46pm

I like sports, have played them, etc but the second your school or institution becomes about sports and the profits from said sports more so than your students’ welfare, you’ve failed, you’ve failed big time.

255 erik_t  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:41:00pm

re: #253 Dr. Matt

Go Blue!

[Link: espn.go.com…]

Under 40 total points, in the second half?

Ye gods.

256 Interesting Times  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:41:40pm

re: #249 EPR-radar

The comparison to Saudi Arabia is getting close to being a wingnut talking point.

You have no right to complain about getting punched in the face. Just be grateful we didn’t chop off your head.

257 darthstar  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:41:57pm

re: #234 Charles Johnson

I’m amazed that not a single person at CPAC seems to give a shit that their web feed’s audio has been screwed up all freaking day. Sheer incompetence.

They know that they make more sense when they’re inaudible.

258 Dr. Matt  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:43:05pm

re: #255 erik_t

Under 40 total points, in the second half?

Ye gods.

They are defensive juggernauts!

259 iossarian  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:43:07pm

re: #255 erik_t

Under 40 total points, in the second half?

Ye gods.

Wisconsin. For some reason the refs go along with it. Painful to watch.

260 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:44:10pm

re: #49 Kragar (Antichrist )

And tonight they’re going to party like its 1955

The year I was born.

The difference between me and the GOP is I grew up.

261 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:44:21pm
262 Targetpractice  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:44:35pm

re: #248 Kragar (Antichrist )

The Steubenville Defense Will Center on Date Rape Not Existing

BULLSHIT!

You have an entire town who thinks the girl to be a whore who’s trying to destroy a football team to cover up her “shame” and the defense attorney has the balls to accuse her of lying by refusing to appear in person for the trial?

This fucker can go fornicate himself with an rusty rake.

263 Lidane  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:44:45pm

Shocka!

264 Targetpractice  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:44:54pm

re: #261 Kragar (Antichrist )

Randy Forbes at CPAC: America on the Verge of Rejecting God

Good. Faster please.

Please proceed.

265 kirkspencer  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:45:03pm

re: #248 Kragar (Antichrist )

The Steubenville Defense Will Center on Date Rape Not Existing

BULLSHIT!

A great lead for cultural change.
“If she doesn’t clearly say ‘Yes’, it’s ‘no.’”

266 Lidane  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:45:49pm

re: #261 Kragar (Antichrist )

Randy Forbes at CPAC: America on the Verge of Rejecting God

Good. Faster please.

Agreed. The sooner we become a more secular society, the better. All this magicgal thinking is slowing us down and actively harming the future of this country.

267 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:47:14pm

Secularism= a more modern and better society. The most religious times in the world’s history was some of the world’s darkest times. Just saw that History Channel special on the Dark Ages last night. Do not want to return to a time like that where religion and superstition took precedence over logic and reason.

268 Targetpractice  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:47:15pm

re: #263 Lidane

Shocka!

“Six Democrats”? Which spineless fuckers decided that paying a decent day’s wage for a hard day’s work was too much to ask?

269 Destro  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:47:53pm

re: #261 Kragar (Antichrist )

Randy Forbes at CPAC: America on the Verge of Rejecting God

Good. Faster please.

re: #266 Lidane

Agreed. The sooner we become a more secular society, the better. All this magicgal thinking is slowing us down and actively harming the future of this country.

AMEN!!!

270 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:48:56pm

How is life this afternoon?

I am tired as hell, but can’t sleep because of the cold my head has.

271 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:48:57pm

re: #268 Targetpractice

“Six Democrats”? Which spineless fuckers decided that paying a decent day’s wage for a hard day’s work was too much to ask?

Blue Dogs who probably represent areas that could actually benefit from the increase.

272 Targetpractice  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:49:36pm

re: #271 HappyWarrior

Blue Dogs who probably represent areas that could actually benefit from the increase.

Pretty much:

Barrow (GA-12)
Matheson (UT-4)
McIntyre (NC-7)
Owens (NY-21), upstate NY
Peterson (MN -7)
Schrader (OR-5)

Blue Dogs all in red districts, probably all up for reelection next year.

273 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:50:01pm

re: #267 HappyWarrior

Secularism= a more modern and better society. The most religious times in the world’s history was some of the world’s darkest times. Just saw that History Channel special on the Dark Ages last night. Do not want to return to a time like that where religion and superstition took precedence over logic and reason.

I agree, but ti seems some people need something to believe or they behave like anarchists. I don’t get it.

274 kirkspencer  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:50:15pm

re: #272 Targetpractice

Pretty much:

Barrow (GA-12)
Matheson (UT-4)
McIntyre (NC-7)
Owens (NY-21), upstate NY
Peterson (MN -7)
Schrader (OR-5)

Blue Dogs all in red districts, probably all up for reelection next year.

“Probably?” They’re house members, they don’t get an election cycle off.

275 Lidane  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:50:30pm

re: #268 Targetpractice

“Six Democrats”? Which spineless fuckers decided that paying a decent day’s wage for a hard day’s work was too much to ask?

clerk.house.gov

Barrow
Matheson
McIntyre
Owens
Peterson
Schrader

276 Targetpractice  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:50:51pm

re: #274 kirkspencer

“Probably?” They’re house members, they don’t get an election cycle off.

Right, forgot that part. Think it might be time to rethink that nap.

277 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:50:54pm

re: #272 Targetpractice

Pretty much:

Barrow (GA-12)
Matheson (UT-4)
McIntyre (NC-7)
Owens (NY-21), upstate NY
Peterson (MN -7)
Schrader (OR-5)

Blue Dogs all in red districts, probably all up for reelection next year.

It’s the House. They’re all up for re-election heh.

278 Gus  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:51:00pm

re: #272 Targetpractice

Pretty much:

Barrow (GA-12)
Matheson (UT-4)
McIntyre (NC-7)
Owens (NY-21), upstate NY
Peterson (MN -7)
Schrader (OR-5)

Blue Dogs all in red districts, probably all up for reelection next year.

Can’t win ‘em all. Better a blue dog then the alternative.

279 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:51:19pm

re: #105 jaunte

Needs caption:

Image: Screen_shot_2013-03-15_at_1.29.46_PM.png

Ladies? They’re lying to us. What men claim is far from the reality. Just like our party.

Wait. That explains a lot.

280 leftynyc  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:51:33pm

I know many here are suspicious of Daily Kos but I just haven’t found this story anywhere else and there is video:

dailykos.com


The black guy in the video seems genuinely like he wants to find a way for conservatives to appeal to other African Americans, but he suddenly gets screamed on by a white guy who insists that race doesn’t matter. Here is a short transcript.

Black guy: “Recruit us.”
White guy: “So?”

Black guy: “What’s wrong with the message?”

White guy: “Why didn’t you go out and look?”

Black guy: “What’s wrong with the message? How many?” (Holding up five fingers on one hand)

White guy: “I don’t count?!?!”

Black guy: “It matters.”

White guy: “I don’t ask people what their . . ?”

Black guy: “It matters because.”

White guy: ((unintelligible))

Black guy: “I do. Cause race matters.”

White guy: “No it doesn’t!!! You’re an American! You’re not a black person! You’re an American! I didn’t go in and count all the Jews?”

The white guy CONTINUES TO SCREAM, doesn’t get asked to leave. The black guy gets asked to leave.
And then the white guy accuses the black guy of trying to divide the country by acknowledging that he is, in fact, a black guy.

The horror.

Nothing sums up the GOP then a white guy at CPAC screaming at a black guy that race doesn’t matter while the black guy is escorted out and the screaming white guy gets to stay.

281 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:51:43pm

re: #231 Lidane

Same here. Raze it to the ground and leave it as a testament to this country’s fetish for student athletes over basic human decency.

Coaches too! Don’t forget Paterno et. al.

282 Lidane  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:53:19pm

re: #281 FemNaziBitch

Coaches too! Don’t forget Paterno et. al.

If it had been up to me, Penn State would’ve had their football program permanently dismantled over the whole Sandusky affair.

283 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:54:27pm
284 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:55:16pm

re: #282 Lidane

If it had been up to me, Penn State would’ve had their football program permanently dismantled over the whole Sandusky affair.

I can think of so many better ways to spend one’s time and money —all the way from the fan to the administration.

285 Lidane  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:55:37pm

Because in an age of technology, we want kids stupid:

286 Bulworth  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:57:57pm

re: #285 Lidane

But CPAC is not, I repeat is not, an indoctrinization camp of any sort or kind.

/////

287 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:57:57pm

re: #285 Lidane

Because in an age of technology, we want kids stupid:

I’d like to see the academic background of the person saying that. Santorum rages against public schools and post secondary education yet had no problem using those to booster his credentials. And of course these people have no problem with places that actually indoctrinate like Liberty University and others. But go ahead CPAC tell college students who are working their asses off so they can get good paying jobs that they’re just being indoctrinated by some guy who is making a good 4-5 figures on this speech telling them that they’re being indoctrinated. Yawn.

288 iossarian  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:58:15pm

re: #285 Lidane

Because in an age of technology, we want kids stupid:

They send their kids to Yale, but they don’t want your kids to go to State College.

289 Lidane  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:59:00pm

This makes my brain hurt. WTF:

290 EPR-radar  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:59:06pm

re: #280 leftynyc

Reminds me of one of the funniest things I’ve seen as a spectator of RedState.

A poster who identified as a black conservative (poster seemed authentic to me) tried to explain how the tone-deafness of movement conservatism on race was causing unnecessary difficulties in outreach to the black community.

It was like watching someone explain patiently that water is indeed wet, while also pointing out that stepping on your own dick is not the best way to argue that water is dry.

Surreal.

291 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:59:11pm

re: #286 Bulworth

But CPAC is not, I repeat is not, an indoctrinization camp of any sort or kind.

/////

Yeah I was about to say. If college is an indoctrination camp, what the hell is CPAC then? This conference is to put it bluntly a political right wing circle jerk where right wingers go around and blame the left for all the world’s problems and pat themselves on the back. College at least teaches you to think critically and think outside your comfort zone which is what scares them in the first place.

292 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 12:59:21pm

re: #285 Lidane

Their solution? Colleges that indoctrinate according to their whims (see Liberty, etc.)

293 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 1:00:11pm

Steve Scalise at CPAC: Climate Change Is a Myth Because Obama Was Cold at the Inauguration

At CPAC today, Rep. Steve Scalise (R-LA) argued that climate change is a myth and doesn’t need to be addressed, noting that President Obama was cold during the inauguration.

“He talked about global warming at his inauguration, I found it ironic that the President was wearing a trench coat it was so cold but he’s talking about global warming,” Scalise said.

He also noted that a snow storm later cancelled a congressional hearing on climate change, “you can’t make this stuff up.”

Of course, climate change is actually leading to more incidences of blizzards and winter still tends to be cold.

294 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 1:01:25pm

re: #293 Kragar (Antichrist )

Steve Scalise at CPAC: Climate Change Is a Myth Because Obama Was Cold at the Inauguration

Oh my god it’s cold in Washington in January, Global Warming is a myth. Seriously Scalise? Seriously dumbass? Why are you in Congress and not being tutored by my sixth grader brother.

295 iossarian  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 1:01:50pm

re: #292 lawhawk

Their solution? Colleges that indoctrinate according to their whims (see Liberty, etc.)

It’s not even that. The right-wing elite understands that college is useful and good.

They just don’t want the peons who vote for them to send their kids to college.

Why?

a) college educated people tend to adopt more liberal points of view, even if some of them vote Republican

b) they don’t want to have to pay for it via direct or indirect state support of higher education

296 EPR-radar  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 1:03:03pm

re: #293 Kragar (Antichrist )

This Scalise guy must be a RINO. He has no business making references to observations of reality. Looking at reality is both anti-bible and communist.

297 Bulworth  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 1:03:13pm

re: #289 Lidane

Of course. Men don’t use abortion child-killing murderer abortion birth control pills, so making women take these death pills is anti-woman. /////

298 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 1:03:40pm

Shit Santorum even admitted that they don’t want the college educated people. Gosh I wonder why they don’t. Maybe because college educated people even those more conservative don’t think all forms of birth control are evil, don’t flip out at the thought of two guys marrying, and can actually read and understand data that shows the planet has gotten warmer. Fuck conservatism in its present state. This is the worst of the Know-Nothings combined with the Dixiecrats.

299 Bulworth  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 1:04:19pm
“He talked about global warming at his inauguration, I found it ironic that the President was wearing a trench coat it was so cold but he’s talking about global warming,” Scalise said.

I just instantly became more dumberer than ever.

300 EPR-radar  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 1:05:13pm

re: #298 HappyWarrior

Shit Santorum even admitted that they don’t want the college educated people. Gosh I wonder why they don’t. Maybe because college educated people even those more conservative don’t think all forms of birth control are evil, don’t flip out at the thought of two guys marrying, and can actually read and understand data that shows the planet has gotten warmer. Fuck conservatism in its present state. This is the worst of the Know-Nothings combined with the Dixiecrats.

College educated people have a better chance of seeing through all of the GOP bullshit to the underlying GOP agenda of class warfare.

301 Bulworth  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 1:05:22pm

re: #285 Lidane

Because in an age of technology, we want kids stupid:

So how’s the Republican teaparty rebranding effort for the young folks going? /

303 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 1:06:04pm

re: #299 Bulworth

I just instantly became more dumberer than ever.

I’m almost at the point where I think they really do believe that for climate change to be real that it has to feel like a hot summer’s day in the middle of winter for climate change to be real. The ignorance of this statement is just wow.

304 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 1:06:26pm

re: #301 Bulworth

So how’s the Republican teaparty rebranding effort for the young folks going? /

GOP - Geriatric Obstructionist Pricks

305 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 1:06:51pm

re: #302 Lidane

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I knew what the video was without even needing to click it.

306 Bulworth  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 1:07:06pm

re: #303 HappyWarrior

It’s also cold today here in DC, like in the 40’s, IN MARCH, so global warming can’t be real. //

307 EPR-radar  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 1:07:39pm

re: #288 iossarian

They send their kids to Yale, but they don’t want your kids to go to State College.

For many of these people, the education is irrelevant. In their view, one goes to places like Yale for the connections.

308 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 1:08:00pm

re: #305 Kragar (Antichrist )

I knew what the video was without even need to click it.

I did too. And the Puppy Who Lost His Way-Industrial Revolution analogy makes more sense than what Steve Scalise said. So way to go Steve, you just made less sense than Adam Sandler, Adam Sandler in the mid 90’s!

309 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 1:10:36pm

re: #306 Bulworth

It’s also cold today here in DC, like in the 40’s, IN MARCH, so global warming can’t be real. //

Yep. Seriously, the maddening thing is I know they actually don’t believe that for a second but they’re pandering to a vocal segment of their base who do believe that or are okay with being told that. Man the anti-intellectualism of the right is maddening. I honestly wouldn’t care but these people speak for a major political party. A major political party who heaven forbid could get the White House in three years.

310 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 1:10:54pm

re: #306 Bulworth

It’s also cold today here in DC, like in the 40’s, IN MARCH, so global warming can’t be real. //

My favorite DERP was when Bryan Fischer said global warming was a lie because it was snowing in South Africa in July.

Yeah Bryan, there are these things called hemispheres and they have different seasons in the Northern and Southern halves.

311 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 1:11:47pm

re: #308 HappyWarrior

I did too. And the Puppy Who Lost His Way-Industrial Revolution analogy makes more sense than what Steve Scalise said. So way to go Steve, you just made less sense than Adam Sandler, Adam Sandler in the mid 90’s!

The best thing about that scene were the different categories on the board behind the moderator.

312 Lidane  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 1:11:49pm

Shorter Cantor: “Fuck the poor or we become Greece!”

313 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 1:12:04pm

re: #303 HappyWarrior

I’m almost at the point where I think they really do believe that for climate change to be real that it has to feel like a hot summer’s day in the middle of winter for climate change to be real. The ignorance of this statement is just wow.

we’ve actually had that in Chicagoland this year. Well, nice Spring Day. It’s been rather obvious.

314 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 1:12:24pm

re: #310 Kragar (Antichrist )

My favorite DERP was when Bryan Fischer said global warming was a lie because it was snowing in South Africa in July.

Yeah Bryan, there are these things called hemispheres and they have different seasons in the Northern and Southern halves.

Me pass geography? That’s unpossible

315 Political Atheist  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 1:12:57pm

re: #285 Lidane

Because in an age of technology, we want kids stupid:

Un possible. Where could they have ever gotten that notion?
//

Ever seen the study?

Among full-time faculty members at four-year colleges and universities, the percentage identifying as “far left” or liberal has increased notably in the last three years, while the percentage identifying in three other political categories has declined. The data come from the University of California at Los Angeles Higher Education Research Institute, which surveys faculty members nationwide every three years on a range of attitudes.


Here are the data for the new survey and the prior survey:
2010-11 2007-8
Far left 12.4% 8.8%
Liberal 50.3% 47.0%
Middle of the road 25.4% 28.4%
Conservative 11.5% 15.2%
Far right 0.4% 0.7%


Read more: insidehighered.com
Inside Higher Ed

Other studies say this has no impact on students. Which might be true, even though it flies in the face of peer pressure and how educators are said to influence students in other ways.

316 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 1:13:00pm

re: #312 Lidane

Shorter Cantor: “Fuck the poor or we become Greece!”

Except actual economic models show our debt is nowhere near to “exploding”

317 blueraven  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 1:13:04pm

re: #306 Bulworth

It’s also cold today here in DC, like in the 40’s, IN MARCH, so global warming can’t be real. //

Expected to be in the low 90s here in Austin on Sunday and Monday.

318 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 1:13:30pm

re: #311 Kragar (Antichrist )

The best thing about that scene were the different categories on the board behind the moderator.

Yeah, it’s been a while since I’ve seen the film but I remember now, a lot of them were about how his wife liked sleeping around. Watched Happy Gilmore for the first time in ages the other night. I mean it’s silly but I still got some laughs after all these years.

319 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 1:15:09pm

re: #318 HappyWarrior

Yeah, it’s been a while since I’ve seen the film but I remember now, a lot of them were about how his wife liked sleeping around. Watched Happy Gilmore for the first time in ages the other night. I mean it’s silly but I still got some laughs after all these years.

Knibb High Principal: If there is any attempt by either contestant to cheat, especially with my wife, who is a dirty, dirty, tramp, I am just gonna snap. Do I make myself clear?

320 iossarian  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 1:17:03pm

re: #315 Political Atheist

It’s probably also got something to do with the fact that the media consistently portrays economic policies that are regarded as centrist in most developed nations as “far-left”, e.g., raising the minimum wage in line with inflation, or providing free early-childhood education to low-income families.

321 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 1:17:27pm

Billy Madison is probably one of the absolute dumbest movies ever made, yet it still makes me laugh after all these years.

322 blueraven  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 1:18:47pm

re: #315 Political Atheist

Un possible. Where could they have ever gotten that notion?
//

Ever seen the study?

Other studies say this has no impact on students. Which might be true, even though it flies in the face of peer pressure and how educators are said to influence students in other ways.

Maybe this is due to the fact that the right has moved so hard to the far right that few want to be identified as such.

323 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 1:19:47pm

That sucks.

vitals.nbcnews.com

Person who got a kidney transplant apparently died from rabies transmitted via the transplanted organ. Three others have gotten transplanted organs from the same source. And they’re not sure how the source person had undiagnosed rabies, or rabies without showing symptoms.

324 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 1:20:30pm

re: #322 blueraven

Maybe this is due to the fact that the right has moved so hard to the far right that few want to be identified as such.

Or that “far right” has pulled the definition of “far left” into the former moderate zone.

325 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 1:23:41pm

re: #320 iossarian

It’s probably also got something to do with the fact that the media consistently portrays economic policies that are regarded as centrist in most developed nations as “far-left”, e.g., raising the minimum wage in line with inflation, or providing free early-childhood education to low-income families.

Well, there’s that. I think another thing to consider though is how much the professor’s personal political position impacts his class. That study just shows that most academics are left wing. That’s not a shock. Academia is mostly left wing. But does that prove indoctrination in itself? I think not and I would point to many humanities professors who play devil’s advocate to test their students. And frankly, there’s no law saying conservatives can’t enter academia. If conservatives want to “balance” academia, then by on means, enter the field more and stop claiming that post secondary education is indoctrinating people because it’s just not. The idea that today’s college students are a bunch of leftists who became that way because of their professors is insulting both to the students and professors. And frankly as an alumnus of one of an institution with an economics department that loves itself some Austrian School economics, I can attest that right wing professor bullying happens as wel but no one on the right ever talks about that because they want to make it out to be only left wing bullying of conservative students and that’s just not true.

326 EPR-radar  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 1:24:57pm

re: #324 Feline Fearless Leader

Or that “far right” has pulled the definition of “far left” into the former moderate zone.

I think surveys of self-reported political inclination cannot be compared when taken at different times because people tend to self-report using a relative scale.

327 Ian G.  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 1:25:51pm

re: #116 Kragar (Antichrist )

Trump: Let In More (White) Immigrants

Heh. I have a good friend who grew up in Germany and now lives in the US, married to an American woman (of Asian ancestry). His attitude towards the GOP is one of baffled amusement, as if he can’t believe that such neanderthals have power in a highly developed country in the 21st century.

Yeah, I don’t think getting a bunch of Swedes or Frenchmen to come here is going to solve things for the GOP. Their brand of insanity is uniquely appealing to old white rural Americans.

328 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 1:26:47pm

re: #324 Feline Fearless Leader

Or that “far right” has pulled the definition of “far left” into the former moderate zone.

Like how.

Same-Sex marriage was FAR LEFT just a decade or so ago. Birth Control and Abortion were radical left 50 years ago.

People change, issues move around the spectrum.

329 engineer cat  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 1:28:12pm

re: #316 Kragar (Antichrist )

Except actual economic models show our debt is nowhere near to “exploding”

ya it’s just an attempt to bypass the thinking circuits by panicking the audience, a typical hustler strategy

330 Ian G.  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 1:28:44pm

re: #285 Lidane

Because in an age of technology, we want kids stupid:

Right, because in college, you’ll be taught that evolution and climate change are real, that Thomas Jefferson was not a Baptist fundamentalist, and that “Song of the South” is not an accurate portrayal of 19th century plantation life.

Hence, “liberal indoctrination”.

331 EPR-radar  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 1:28:46pm

re: #328 FemNaziBitch

Like how.

Same-Sex marriage was FAR LEFT just a decade or so ago. Birth Control and Abortion were radical left 50 years ago.

People change, issues move around the spectrum.

I think there is a steady trend to the left on many social issues, and a steady trend to the right on many economic issues.

An honest day’s pay for an honest day’s work is viewed as communism by many.

332 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 1:28:50pm

CPAC Attendees Blast GOP Senator Who Announced Support For Marriage Equality

ThinkProgress spoke with 10 attendees about the Ohio Senator’s announcement this week that he was reversing course and backing marriage equality after his own son came out of the closet. Every person we spoke with opposed same-sex marriage, and many had harsh words for Portman.

“Horrible!” said Tony Mele, an 88-year-old woman from New Jersey, of Portman’s decision. When told he did so because of his gay son, she responded, “That’s his fault! He gets no sympathy from me.” A pastor from Georgia, William Temple, told Portman to “quit being so selfish as to only think about his son,” and if he won’t reverse himself, “to step down and go home.” Another pastor, Rev. Robert Lancia, dismissed Portman’s point that we should treat each other according to the Golden Rule: “That doesn’t cover it.” One man, David Kern, even said Portman’s son’s choice of college turned him gay. “Well what did Sen. Portman expect when he sent his son to Yale?”

On an unrelated note: CPAC cosplay sucks ass.

333 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 1:29:38pm

re: #329 engineer cat

ya it’s just an attempt to bypass the thinking circuits by panicking the audience, a typical hustler strategy

decent god-fearing folks have NO DEBT!!! They pay cash. Our country is run by a bunch of godless communist/marxist/kenyan/dark-skinned heathens

334 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 1:29:51pm

re: #328 FemNaziBitch

Like how.

Same-Sex marriage was FAR LEFT just a decade or so ago. Birth Control and Abortion were radical left 50 years ago.

People change, issues move around the spectrum.

Image: Little_Rock_integration_protest.jpg

335 erik_t  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 1:30:03pm

re: #332 Kragar (Antichrist )

A pastor from Georgia, William Temple, told Portman to “quit being so selfish as to only think about his son,”

The American Family Association, curiously, would agree.

Some fucking people…

336 Lidane  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 1:30:16pm

re: #332 Kragar (Antichrist )

337 engineer cat  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 1:30:24pm

re: #286 Bulworth

But CPAC is not, I repeat is not, an indoctrinization camp of any sort or kind.

/////

if you listen to right wingers long enuf, they will project/describe every pathology they exhibit

338 EPR-radar  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 1:30:38pm

re: #329 engineer cat

ya it’s just an attempt to bypass the thinking circuits by panicking the audience, a typical hustler strategy

Panicking the rubes is a useful distraction from 8 years of ‘deficits don’t matter’ under GW Bush and the rest of the GOP budget-busting fiscal chickenhawks.

339 EPR-radar  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 1:31:27pm

re: #337 engineer cat

if you listen to right wingers long enuf, they will project/describe every pathology they exhibit

Usually takes less than one minute.

340 Ian G.  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 1:31:46pm

re: #293 Kragar (Antichrist )

Steve Scalise at CPAC: Climate Change Is a Myth Because Obama Was Cold at the Inauguration

If we ever reach a point where you DON’T need a coat in Washington, DC in January, we’re probably on our way to extinction as a species.

Christ, how do people this ignorant get to make policy? Oh right, take it away, Isaac Asimov:

“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that ‘my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.’”

341 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 1:31:54pm

re: #332 Kragar (Antichrist )

CPAC Attendees Blast GOP Senator Who Announced Support For Marriage Equality

On an unrelated note: CPAC cosplay sucks ass.

This is the Onion right? Portman is selfish? Yale turned his son gay? I feel bad for Portman honestly. He did the right thing. Too bad the bigots at CPAC are a bunch of hateful assholes stuck in the dark ages.

342 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 1:32:15pm

CPAC Participant Defends Slavery At Minority Outreach Panel: It Gave ‘Food And Shelter’ To Blacks

The exchange occurred after an audience member from North Carolina, 30-year-old Scott Terry, asked whether Republicans could endorse races remaining separate but equal. After the presenter, KCarl Smith of Frederick Douglass Republicans, answered by referencing a letter by Frederick Douglass forgiving his former master, the audience member said “For what? For feeding him and housing him?”

After the exchange, Terry muttered under his breath, “why can’t we just have segregation?” noting the Constitution’s protections for freedom of association.

ThinkProgress spoke with Terry, who sported a Rick Santorum sticker and attended CPAC with a friend who wore a Confederate Flag-emblazoned t-shirt, about his views after the panel. Terry maintained that white people have been “systematically disenfranchised” by federal legislation.

When asked by ThinkProgress if he’d accept a society where African-Americans were permanently subservient to whites, he said “I’d be fine with that.” He also claimed that African-Americans “should be allowed to vote in Africa,” and that “all the Tea Parties” were concerned with the same racial problems that he was.

At one point, a woman challenged him on the Republican Party’s roots, to which Terry responded, “I didn’t know the legacy of the Republican Party included women correcting men in public.”

343 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 1:32:23pm

re: #338 EPR-radar

Panicking the rubes is a useful distraction from 8 years of ‘deficits don’t matter’ under GW Bush and the rest of the GOP budget-busting fiscal chickenhawks.

deficits for crusades against evil brown skinned people is the will of god and is not debt

how can it be it’s only 4 letters?

344 engineer cat  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 1:32:45pm

i have to feel sorry for all those people in the wingnut movement who have worked so hard and, really, brilliantly to construct an elaborate and extremely clever superstructure of rationalizations to “explain” right wing philosophy

only to find that americans ain’t buying it, afterall

345 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 1:34:44pm

re: #344 engineer cat

i have to feel sorry for all those people in the wingnut movement who have worked so hard and, really, brilliantly to construct an elaborate and extremely clever superstructure of rationalizations to “explain” right wing philosophy

only to find that americans ain’t buying it, afterall

I have no sympathy for them, stupidity should be painful. If they spent more time living in reality and less time constructing a cocoon of DERP then they’d be better off.

346 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 1:35:28pm

re: #342 Kragar (Antichrist )

CPAC Participant Defends Slavery At Minority Outreach Panel: It Gave ‘Food And Shelter’ To Blacks

And this is why I don’t buy that this is just generational. This guy isn’t much older than I am. The problem to be frank and blunt is conservatism in its current incarnation. It’s fucking conferences like CPAC in the first place that have panel discussions about whether or not Lincoln was bad or not, it’s the cosigning on Rush Limbaugh for years, etc.

347 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 1:35:46pm
348 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 1:37:20pm

re: #346 HappyWarrior

And this is why I don’t buy that this is just generational. This guy isn’t much older than I am. The problem to be frank and blunt is conservatism in its current incarnation. It’s fucking conferences like CPAC in the first place that have panel discussions about whether or not Lincoln was bad or not, it’s the cosigning on Rush Limbaugh for years, etc.

Michelle Bachman said something similar, didn’t she.

If these cretins are bible literalists, they have to accept slavery as the natural order of things. Slavery is mentioned quite a few times, IIRC, in the blble. The idea of a Secular Liberty (on earth, not in heaven) is a rather new idea as politics is concerned.

349 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 1:38:35pm

Bill Gates: Boy Scouts should stop discriminating against gays, because Duh.

During an interview with Mike Allen for Politico’s Playbook Cocktails, billionaire Bill Gates described some of the things he learned as a Boy Scout, then made it clear that the organization should lift the ban on gay Scouts and leaders. He didn’t feel the need to offer much explanation for his point of view:

ALLEN: Should the Boy Scouts of America rescind its ban on gay members and leaders?
GATES: Absolutely.
ALLEN: …Why?
GATES: Because it’s 2013.

350 Lidane  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 1:38:38pm

Also in time for CPAC:

351 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 1:38:55pm

re: #346 HappyWarrior

And this is why I don’t buy that this is just generational. This guy isn’t much older than I am. The problem to be frank and blunt is conservatism in its current incarnation. It’s fucking conferences like CPAC in the first place that have panel discussions about whether or not Lincoln was bad or not, it’s the cosigning on Rush Limbaugh for years, etc.

The problem with the current GOP message is, no matter how you package it, no one really wants a 10lb serving of horseshit.

352 Gus  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 1:39:42pm
353 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 1:39:48pm

I’m feeling pissy.

Have a great afternoon all!

354 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 1:39:56pm

re: #351 Kragar (Antichrist )

The problem with the current GOP message is, no matter how you package it, no one really wants a 10lb serving of horseshit.

Well I was talking about social/hot button issues in general but no disagreement there.

355 Lidane  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 1:40:08pm

re: #349 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Bill Gates: Boy Scouts should stop discriminating against gays, because Duh.

Seriously. Points to Bill Gates for stating the obvious.

Too bad Windows 8 appears to be a giant pile of fail.

356 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 1:41:25pm

re: #355 Lidane

Seriously. Points to Bill Gates for stating the obvious.

Too bad Windows 8 appears to be a giant pile of fail.

I switched away from Windows 8 to Ubuntu. Too many restarts/reformats with Win8.

And kudos to Bill Gates for stating the obvious as you put it.

357 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 1:41:29pm

re: #348 FemNaziBitch

Michelle Bachman said something similar, didn’t she.

If these cretins are bible literalists, they have to accept slavery as the natural order of things. Slavery is mentioned quite a few times, IIRC, in the blble. The idea of a Secular Liberty (on earth, not in heaven) is a rather new idea as politics is concerned.

I think Bachmann claimed that yeah African Americans were more free under slavery then they are now or something utterly absurd. The thing that strikes me is the guy’s response to Frederick Douglass’s letter especially knowing that Douglass’s father was a slaveowner who raped his mother.

358 jaunte  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 1:41:36pm

re: #342 Kragar (Antichrist )

At one point, a woman challenged him on the Republican Party’s roots, to which Terry responded, “I didn’t know the legacy of the Republican Party included women correcting men in public.”

WHAT PROBLEM WITH WOMEN?

359 EPR-radar  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 1:41:42pm

re: #344 engineer cat

i have to feel sorry for all those people in the wingnut movement who have worked so hard and, really, brilliantly to construct an elaborate and extremely clever superstructure of rationalizations to “explain” right wing philosophy

only to find that americans ain’t buying it, afterall

The last conservative who could put together a coherent argument was WF Buckley. This current crop isn’t even trying.

What they are now doing is the political equivalent of the severely obsessed creationist with his flood geology water tank, sloshing water back and forth over and over and over again in a futile attempt to explain the Grand Canyon.

360 Gus  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 1:42:01pm

Confederate Patriots Against Civilization

361 Bulworth  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 1:42:29pm

re: #342 Kragar (Antichrist )

Well, what else could those blah people have wanted? A right to the products of their labor? A right to return to homes at night they made or obtained themselves? A right to marry the partners they loved and to keep the children they gave birth to? C’mon.

//////

362 kirkspencer  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 1:42:58pm

re: #356 Dr Lizardo

I switched away from Windows 8 to Ubuntu. Too many restarts/reformats with Win8.

And kudos to Bill Gates for stating the obvious as you put it.

I haven’t used Ubuntu in a couple of years, but I’ve been surprisingly pleased by Win8 - no restart/reformat issues here.

363 Bulworth  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 1:43:35pm

re: #355 Lidane

That can’t be. There are commercials on teevee about how great 8 is. ///

364 EPR-radar  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 1:43:39pm

re: #342 Kragar (Antichrist )

GOP minority outreach program.

Abort. Retry. Fail.

365 Ian G.  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 1:43:44pm

re: #350 Lidane

Also in time for CPAC:

Well, that’s why God create smallpox, so that these sodomites could make room for His Chosen People, Americans.

///// (but probably not far off from what many at CPAC think)

366 engineer cat  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 1:44:08pm

haven’t tried Win8 m’self but i hear it don’t make no sense unless you are running it on a tablet

367 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 1:44:23pm

re: #362 kirkspencer

I haven’t used Ubuntu in a couple of years, but I’ve been surprisingly pleased by Win8 - no restart/reformat issues here.

You’re lucky. I was having to restart once a day. Had to reformat three times in the 10 weeks I used it.

368 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 1:44:34pm

Don’t like Win8 but Gates is all right.

369 engineer cat  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 1:45:23pm

Win8

here at the dot com we got a lecture about it a few months back but since then we haz ignored it

370 Lidane  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 1:46:24pm

re: #366 engineer cat

haven’t tried Win8 m’self but i hear it don’t make no sense unless you are running it on a tablet

When I saw Windows 8, it immediately reminded me of the look and feel of the Windows Phone I had a couple of years back.

I wasn’t impressed then. I have no interest now. I’m sticking with Windows 7 on my PC until something else comes along.

371 kirkspencer  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 1:47:27pm

Most of what I hear - the restart issues, the “it’s better for X but not for the desktop”, and such - remind me a lot of what I heard when XP came out. On the other hand the comments were similar for ME…

372 Bulworth  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 1:48:04pm
Terry, who sported a Rick Santorum sticker and attended CPAC with a friend who wore a Confederate Flag-emblazoned t-shirt, about his views after the panel. Terry maintained that white people have been “systematically disenfranchised” by federal legislation.

Obviously a liberal democrat party thug plant from Obama’s tyrannical OFA. //////

373 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 1:49:45pm

re: #372 Bulworth

Obviously a liberal democrat party thug plant from Obama’s tyrannical OFA. //////

Well by disenfranchised he means, other people read women and blacks have been allowed to vote. That’s disenfranchisement in a nutcase’s mind.

374 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 1:51:37pm

I have no interest in Windows 8 for my own use, and I hope never to see it anywhere near the corporate environment. We have some people here who still can’t get the hang of drag-and-drop all the time, and the thought of having to deal with the consequences of suddenly sticking them in front of a completely new UI that is non-intuitive even for experienced users makes me feel broken and sick inside.

375 engineer cat  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 1:53:00pm

re: #371 kirkspencer

Most of what I hear - the restart issues, the “it’s better for X but not for the desktop”, and such - remind me a lot of what I heard when XP came out. On the other hand the comments were similar for ME…

i don’t know if the underlying architecture has been changed as it was between Win3.1 and NT, but clearly the UI metaphor is radically different. my diagnosis is that they are predicting that the market will move away from ‘desktop’ to phones and tablets, but their attempt to ‘run to where the ball will be, not where it is’, is not necessarily bound to succeed

sometimes the ball don’t go where you thought it would

376 engineer cat  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 1:53:30pm

re: #374 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

I have no interest in Windows 8 for my own use, and I hope never to see it anywhere near the corporate environment. We have some people here who still can’t get the hang of drag-and-drop all the time, and the thought of having to deal with the consequences of suddenly sticking them in front of a completely new UI that is non-intuitive even for experienced users makes me feel broken and sick inside.

ya, what you said

377 Bulworth  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 1:55:46pm

washingtonpost.com

Just in time for the “less government” wingnuts at CPAC.

378 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 1:56:52pm
379 Political Atheist  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 1:57:35pm

Military/DHS/ICE Drones=Good.

Job creating innovative use of unarmed tiny drones is BAD.

W T F ?!


minnesota.cbslocal.com

380 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 1:58:04pm

Erick Erickson is thumping his Bible like crazy on Twitter.

@EWErickson

381 simoom  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 1:59:16pm

Erick Erickson is having a minor twitter meltdown over Portman:







Gotta love the tweet where he consigns his twitter interlocutors to eternal torment in Hell. ///

382 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 1:59:22pm

Here we go:

383 Bulworth  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:00:45pm

re: #381 simoom

There’s nothing that reminds me of the word of God as much as commentary from Erick son of Erick. ////

384 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:02:48pm

I would have thought the NRA could come up with better fearmongering than “Chinese hackers could steal the gun registration database and give it to the Mexican government.”
I mean, it’s got the “MESSKINS WILL COME AND STEAL YOUR GUNS JUST LIKE THEY TUK YER JERBS,” but what RWNJ fear button are “Chinese hackers” supposed to press? Communism maybe, but it seems a little too high-tech for that audience.

385 makeitstop  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:03:38pm

re: #362 kirkspencer

I haven’t used Ubuntu in a couple of years, but I’ve been surprisingly pleased by Win8 - no restart/reformat issues here.

Same here. I upgraded to 8 on my laptop, and it actually seems to have solved more problems than it created for once.

386 Bulworth  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:04:34pm

re: #382 Charles Johnson

And slavery gave blacks the right to work from sunup till sundown in the hot fields while the white masters and their families stayed inside creating jobs. ////

387 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:04:55pm

Yup, we had a full-on racist meltdown at CPAC today. Lovely.

thinkprogress.org

388 kirkspencer  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:05:56pm

re: #375 engineer cat

i don’t know if the underlying architecture has been changed as it was between Win3.1 and NT, but clearly the UI metaphor is radically different. my diagnosis is that they are predicting that the market will move away from ‘desktop’ to phones and tablets, but their attempt to ‘run to where the ball will be, not where it is’, is not necessarily bound to succeed

sometimes the ball don’t go where you thought it would

True. And I admit part of my liking is that my guess of where the ball is headed overlaps W8.

See, the thing is I think we’re gradually working toward “the cloud” for a lot of things. (Lots of problems with cloud that I’ll waive as said, and continue). The biggest thing the whole cloud concept reminds me of, however, is how it echoes the Big Deal from back when I started in the industry. Specifically, “smart terminals”.

Simplistically, a smart terminal could do the majority of the basic work. When the workload exceeded its capacity - either quantity of data or processor muscle - the server took the load. (Back then the amazement was how it was taking loads off the server. eh.)

The other thing we’re moving to - again my opinion - is synchronized multiple platforms. We often look at the same things, but the device might be the phone or the tablet or the desktop depending on where we are and sometimes how we want to respond to or interact with those things.

W8 focuses on these two aspects. In the process it (probably) moves even further to making the device invisible — what matters is what you’re seeing and what you’re doing about it, with little effort spent to remembering which device you’re using. You just do what you need to do.

hmm. I’m going to take this to a page (opinion, tech) and expand a bit rather than major hi-jacking. Be a bit…

389 EPR-radar  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:06:04pm

re: #384 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

I would have thought the NRA could come up with better fearmongering than “Chinese hackers could steal the gun registration database and give it to the Mexican government.”
I mean, it’s got the “MESSKINS WILL COME AND STEAL YOUR GUNS JUST LIKE THEY TUK YER JERBS,” but what RWNJ fear button are “Chinese hackers” supposed to press? Communism maybe, but it seems a little too high-tech for that audience.

My guess is that since Chinese hackers have been in the news, this is a little dose of reality inserted into raving wingnut fantasies to provide a thin veneer of verisimilitude.

Also, the RWNJs never get tired of looking for reds under beds.

390 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:06:30pm

re: #381 simoom

Erick Erickson is having a minor twitter meltdown over Portman:

Gotta love the tweet where he consigns his twitter interlocutors to eternal torment in Hell. ///

Isn’t this the guy who called a Chief Justice of the Supreme Court a child molester because he didn’t like his ruling? Sorry Erick but your Holy Man act is a load of shit. So, do yourself a favor and get over yourself concerning the fact that Senator Portman actually seems to realize that gays should have equality under the law.

391 makeitstop  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:07:22pm

re: #375 engineer cat

i don’t know if the underlying architecture has been changed as it was between Win3.1 and NT, but clearly the UI metaphor is radically different. my diagnosis is that they are predicting that the market will move away from ‘desktop’ to phones and tablets, but their attempt to ‘run to where the ball will be, not where it is’, is not necessarily bound to succeed

sometimes the ball don’t go where you thought it would

Besides the Start screen, 8 and 7 aren’t really too different. Matter of fact, once I click on a shortcut on the Start screen, it goes away and I’m looking at my Win 7 desktop.

392 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:08:51pm

Great publicity for you there CPAC. Having someone defend slavery. That’s low even for CPAC.

393 CuriousLurker  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:09:57pm
394 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:10:56pm

re: #244 EPR-radar

If someone is in no position to say yes or no, then the default has to be NO.

One of the concepts from the Walter Mosley piece:

3. Get enthusiastic about enthusiastic consent. Rape culture relies on our collective inclination to blame the victim and find excuses for the rapist. Enthusiastic consent — the idea that we’re all responsible to make sure that our partners are actively into whatever’s going down between us sexually — takes a lot of those excuses away. Rather than looking for a “no,” make sure there’s an active “yes.” If you adopt enthusiastic consent yourself, and then teach it to those around you, it can soon become a community value. Then, if someone is raped, the question won’t be, well, what was she doing there, or did she really say no clearly enough? It will be: what did you do to make sure she was really into it? Check out this Tumblr page on enthusiastic consent.

I’m not saying that the bar for legal rape should be ‘enthusiastic consent’, I’m saying that as a culture we should endorse enthusiastic consent. There is far, far too much portrayal of female sexuality as naturally reluctant and having to be enticed in some way, and so men often think that a woman who shows only tepid interest in having sex with them just needs to be cajoled or wooed. This way, guys who really aren’t bad people wind up coercing or forcing women into sex.

Women are every bit as into sex as men. If you don’t have a clearly enthusiastic partner, then the sex is not going to be good, and you’re going to feel weird afterwards, anyway. We have all this weird porn out there that’s basically fantasy scenarios of women being coerced and rape, and it’s meta-sick because a lot of the industry producing that porn is so exploitative it is in many ways coercive. I don’t think that represents an actual natural desire of men, I think it represents this hypermasculine, guys wanna fuck all the time girls have to be dragged into bed idea that we’ve got.

These assholes are little bastards themselves, but they didn’t grow up that way as a bunch of bad seeds, they were taught these attitudes by their role models, their parents, their coaches, their older brothers, and by a hell of a lot of our culture with mainstreams the idea of men aggressively coercing women into sex.

395 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:11:22pm

re: #393 CuriousLurker

NRA:

*blinks* They’d be interested in gun records because… why…?

BECAUSE CHINA. That’s all you need to know. He also claimed that the US government would give the Mexican government the list. Maybe Wayne’s right about the mentally ill not being allowed to own weapons. I know I wouldn’t trust that paranoid schizo with anything even a water gun.

396 Ian G.  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:11:54pm

re: #381 simoom

Note how Erickson doesn’t account for the possibility that there are many of us who just don’t care what the Bible says about homosexuality.

397 CuriousLurker  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:12:57pm

re: #395 HappyWarrior

BECAUSE CHINA. That’s all you need to know. He also claimed that the US government would give the Mexican government the list. Maybe Wayne’s right about the mentally ill not being allowed to own weapons. I know I wouldn’t trust that paranoid schizo with anything even a water gun.

LOL, yeah, he’s the first one who shouldn’t be allowed to have them. He’s really creepy.

398 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:13:25pm

re: #396 Ian G.

Note how Erickson doesn’t account for the possibility that there are many of us who just don’t care what the Bible says about homosexuality.

Yeah, really, I don’t. Just like I don’t care about what the Qu’ran or Torah say either. It’s not my Holy Book and the Bible shouldn’t govern how a democratic society makes its decisions. Amazing that Erickson and his fellow right wing shitheads can fear and whine about creeping Shariah but have no problem using their own book on us which I realize is a feature not a bug thing but goddamnit.

399 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:13:58pm

re: #397 CuriousLurker

LOL, yeah, he’s the first one who shouldn’t be allowed to have them. He’s really creepy.

He really is a grade A wackjob.

400 EPR-radar  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:14:35pm

re: #397 CuriousLurker

LOL, yeah, he’s the first one who shouldn’t be allowed to have them. He’s really creepy.

The definition for ‘gun nut’ should be a picture of Wayne LaPierre + a summary of his greatest hits.

401 BongCrodny  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:16:29pm

re: #381 simoom

Erick Erickson is having a minor twitter meltdown over Portman:

Gotta love the tweet where he consigns his twitter interlocutors to eternal torment in Hell. ///

I haven’t read the Bible in a long time, but I’m certain I missed the part where Jesus said “Blessed are the smug fuckers.”

402 Gus  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:16:34pm

re: #381 simoom

Erick Erickson is having a minor twitter meltdown over Portman:

Gotta love the tweet where he consigns his twitter interlocutors to eternal torment in Hell. ///

He’s allowed to have those opinions of course. But law must not and should not be based on ANY religion. Obviously we can find common ground on things like murder. There is no legal religious argument against gay marriage.

403 engineer cat  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:17:26pm

Erick Erickson
Now come all the non-Christians to tell me what the Bible… actually says

unfortunately for you, yes

yes, that is exactly what we intend to do

404 Bulworth  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:18:00pm

re: #398 HappyWarrior

Wasn’t Erick son of Erick the guy who was just recently gushing over the new pope’s rumored connection to and support of Argentinia’s dictatorship during the ‘70’s and that regime’s disappearing and torturing of up to 30,000 Argentines including some priests belonging to the pope’s Jesuit order? That Erick son of Erick?

405 CuriousLurker  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:18:19pm

re: #399 HappyWarrior

He really is a grade A wackjob.

It’s disturbing that he has such a high profile position with a national organization. His paranoia & anger management issues are… sheesh. I wouldn’t want to be his wife when he comes home in a rage after a bad day.

406 EPR-radar  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:18:29pm

re: #394 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

I’d be happy with the legal bar for consent being something like ‘clear, affirmative consent’. Inferring consent from not saying no, inability to say no, or (worst of all) lack of a physical struggle, all need to be firmly beyond the pale.

407 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:18:32pm

If anyone really wanted a database of dangerous gun nuts, wouldn’t hacking the NRA membership info be a far easier target?

408 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:20:46pm

re: #406 EPR-radar

I agree. But in the end, 90% of rape will come down to he-said, she-said, and there will never be a justice system solution for it. It has to be a cultural solution.

409 simoom  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:21:41pm

Sheesh:



410 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:21:54pm

re: #387 Charles Johnson

Wow, a hat trick of dickishness:

He also claimed that African-Americans “should be allowed to vote in Africa,” and that “all the Tea Parties” were concerned with the same racial problems that he was.

At one point, a woman challenged him on the Republican Party’s roots, to which Terry responded, “I didn’t know the legacy of the Republican Party included women correcting men in public.”

He claimed to be a direct descendent of Confederate President Jefferson Davis.

411 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:23:01pm

re: #404 Bulworth

Wasn’t Erick son of Erick the guy who was just recently gushing over the new pope’s rumored connection to and support of Argentinia’s dictatorship during the ‘70’s and that regime’s disappearing and torturing of up to 30,000 Argentines including some priests belonging to the pope’s Jesuit order? That Erick son of Erick?

The same. Him and Nolte were laughing about wishing the same could be done to the left here. Yeah, fuck you Erickson, gay marriage bothers you but not state sanctioned murder.Hypocritical asshole.

412 Mentis Fugit  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:23:46pm

Let me see if I’ve got this right.

I can break into Scott Terry’s home and abduct him at gun point, then pile him into a truck along with half his neighbours and slowly drive across country for three weeks with them shackled to the walls of the trailer. During this time half of his neighbours will die of dysentery and heatstroke, and at the other end I can lock the survivors in a shed and force them to work for me behind barbed wire and electric fences. I don’t have to pay them; in fact I can beat them as much as I like, and if I batter anyone to death, I can always go back to his old home town and get some more. Oh yeah, and I can rape his wife or girlfriend whenever I like, always assuming she survived the ride.

And he’ll thank me.

413 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:23:47pm

re: #409 simoom

Sheesh:

God this guy’s a clown.

414 EPR-radar  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:24:21pm

re: #408 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

I agree. But in the end, 90% of rape will come down to he-said, she-said, and there will never be a justice system solution for it. It has to be a cultural solution.

Agreed that virtually all possibility for improvement lies in cultural change.

It is truly appalling to consider how many Steubenville-type incidents there must be for which there is no evidence.

415 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:24:44pm

re: #402 Gus

He’s allowed to have those opinions of course. But law must not and should not be based on ANY religion. Obviously we can find common ground on things like murder. There is no legal religious argument against gay marriage.

I tripped up a Bible-thumping friend on that one.

When I asked her to give me a legal reason to prohibit SSM, she fired back with something out of the Book of Leviticus. So then I clarified, “No, T______; a legal reason, not a religious one.”

She sputtered and couldn’t come up with one.

416 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:24:52pm

re: #393 CuriousLurker

BECAUSE OF THE NEW RED DAWN MOVIE!!!

417 Lidane  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:24:56pm

re: #387 Charles Johnson

Yup, we had a full-on racist meltdown at CPAC today. Lovely.

[Link: thinkprogress.org…]

And the GOP thinks it’s all about the messaging and not the message.

Heh. Good luck with that.

418 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:26:16pm

re: #409 simoom

Sheesh:

Wrong:

The first recorded mention of the performance of same-sex marriages occurred during the early Roman Empire.[24]

At least two of the Roman Emperors were in same-sex unions; and in fact, thirteen out of the first fourteen Roman Emperors held to be bisexual or exclusively homosexual.[25] The first Roman emperor to have married a man was Nero, who is reported to have married two other men on different occasions. First with one of his freedman, Pythagoras, to whom Nero took the role of the bride, and later as a groom Nero married a young boy, who resembled one of his concubines,[26] named Sporus in a very public ceremony… with all the solemnities of matrimony, and lived with him as his spouse A friend gave the “bride” away “as required by law.” The marriage was celebrated separately in both Greece and Rome in extravagant public ceremonies.[27] Emperor Elagabalus referred to his chariot driver, a blond slave from Caria named Hierocles, as his husband.[28] He also married an athlete named Zoticus in a lavish public ceremony in Rome amidst the rejoicings of the citizens.[29]

It should be noted, however, that conubium existed only between a civis Romanus and a civis Romana (that is, between a male Roman citizen and a female Roman citizen), so that a marriage between two Roman males (or with a slave) would have no legal standing in Roman law (apart, presumably, from the arbitrary will of the emperor in the two aforementioned cases).[30]

419 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:26:20pm

re: #415 Dr Lizardo

I tripped up a Bible-thumping friend on that one.

When I asked her to give me a legal reason to prohibit SSM, she fired back with something out of the Book of Leviticus. So then I clarified, “No, T______; a legal reason, not a religious one.”

She sputtered and couldn’t come up with one.

They can’t come up with a legal reason. Hell the religious arguments they make are the same ones that were made against interracial marriage. But don’t tell them that!

420 engineer cat  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:27:18pm

re: #419 HappyWarrior

They can’t come up with a legal reason. Hell the religious arguments they make are the same ones that were made against interracial marriage. But don’t tell them that!

and of course the bible can be made out to condone slavery

not to mention animal sacrifice and polygamy, but i didn’t mention that

421 engineer cat  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:28:14pm

re: #415 Dr Lizardo

I tripped up a Bible-thumping friend on that one.

When I asked her to give me a legal reason to prohibit SSM, she fired back with something out of the Book of Leviticus. So then I clarified, “No, T______; a legal reason, not a religious one.”

She sputtered and couldn’t come up with one.

ask her where the bible comes out against slavery, animal sacrifice, and polygamy

422 Ian G.  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:30:55pm

re: #419 HappyWarrior

They can’t come up with a legal reason. Hell the religious arguments they make are the same ones that were made against interracial marriage. But don’t tell them that!

Right. Andrew Sullivan recently had a debate with right-wing theocrat Douglas Wilson about gay marriage. Wilson is a far more intelligent character than a thug like Erickson, and even Wilson couldn’t come up with any reason to oppose gay marriage that wasn’t rooted in the Bible.

And none of these people actually care what’s in the Bible when it comes to other subjects. The Book of Deuteronomy, for instance, says we should stone adulterers, and prohibits wearing clothing made of two different fabrics. Erickson and Wilson don’t care what the Bible says in those cases.

423 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:31:37pm

re: #419 HappyWarrior

They can’t come up with a legal reason. Hell the religious arguments they make are the same ones that were made against interracial marriage. But don’t tell them that!

I have pointed that fact out, and they don’t like it one bit. Of course, I also have great fun in pointing out that their anti-Muslim rants and raves are nothing more than rehashed 19th Century anti-Semitic tropes, with “Muslims” substituted for “Jews” and “The Qur’an” substituted for “The Talmud”.

I will say, pointing that out caused one friend of mine to ponder on it, and when she started looking things up, what I’d pointed out dawned on her. Maybe she’s still a little spooked about Muslims in general, but she’s no longer spouting the Gelleresque drivel she used to.

424 CuriousLurker  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:33:21pm

re: #415 Dr Lizardo

I tripped up a Bible-thumping friend on that one.

When I asked her to give me a legal reason to prohibit SSM, she fired back with something out of the Book of Leviticus. So then I clarified, “No, T______; a legal reason, not a religious one.”

She sputtered and couldn’t come up with one.

I had the same argument with an American Muslim friend. She kept insisting it was a religious issue (despite the 1st Amendment). When I asked her “Okay, then which religion’s marriage rules are gonna apply, and who’s going to decide which religion gets picked?” she gave up and agreed it couldn’t be a religious issue here in the U.S. Having admitted that she then (grudgingly) agreed that SSM shouldn’t be legally prohibited. She made sure I knew she didn’t like it though.

425 CuriousLurker  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:34:30pm

re: #416 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

BECAUSE OF THE NEW RED DAWN MOVIE!!!

ZOMG, I see what you mean—THE CHINESE ARE REDS TOO!!11!

426 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:37:26pm

re: #424 CuriousLurker

I had the same argument with an American Muslim friend. She kept insisting it was a religious issue (despite the 1st Amendment). When I asked her “Okay, then which religion’s marriage rules are gonna apply, and who’s going to decide which one religion gets picked?” she gave up and agreed it couldn’t be a religious issue here in the U.S. Having admitted that she then (grudgingly) agreed that SSM shouldn’t be legally prohibited. She made sure I knew she didn’t like ti though.

Heh.

I’ve always said, if someone doesn’t approve of SSM, then for heaven’s sake, don’t marry someone of your own gender, and you’ll be able to sleep with a clear conscience. In the meantime, if Steve and Jim, or alternatively, Carol and Susan decide they want to take the plunge and join together in wedded bliss, it’s no one else’s damned business what they do.

I find it particularly amusing that the same people opposed to SSM are so often fixated on same-sex intercourse; they’re exceptionally knowledgeable on what goes on behind closed doors. I’ve concluded they’re watching a hell of a lot of gay/lesbian porn.

For research, of course. //

427 CuriousLurker  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:44:27pm

re: #426 Dr Lizardo

Heh.

I’ve always said, if someone doesn’t approve of SSM, then for heaven’s sake, don’t marry someone of your own gender, and you’ll be able to sleep with a clear conscience. In the meantime, if Steve and Jim, or alternatively, Carol and Susan decide they want to take the plunge and join together in wedded bliss, it’s no one else’s damned business what they do.

Exactly. I told her it wasn’t necessary for her to engage in or approve of it.

428 Decatur Deb  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:47:05pm

re: #346 HappyWarrior

And this is why I don’t buy that this is just generational. This guy isn’t much older than I am. The problem to be frank and blunt is conservatism in its current incarnation. It’s fucking conferences like CPAC in the first place that have panel discussions about whether or not Lincoln was bad or not, it’s the cosigning on Rush Limbaugh for years, etc.

Generations have nothing to do with it. He’s not half my age. We mislead ourselves if we think this shit will die out without our effort.

jerrybrice.files.wordpress.com

429 kirkspencer  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 3:13:44pm

re: #426 Dr Lizardo

Heh.

I’ve always said, if someone doesn’t approve of SSM, then for heaven’s sake, don’t marry someone of your own gender, and you’ll be able to sleep with a clear conscience. In the meantime, if Steve and Jim, or alternatively, Carol and Susan decide they want to take the plunge and join together in wedded bliss, it’s no one else’s damned business what they do.

I find it particularly amusing that the same people opposed to SSM are so often fixated on same-sex intercourse; they’re exceptionally knowledgeable on what goes on behind closed doors. I’ve concluded they’re watching a hell of a lot of gay/lesbian porn.

For research, of course. //

The state has two interests in marriage.

Marriage increases connectiveness. My brother and your brother, ante our wedding, are now no longer strangers. If they were enemies they have reason to at least bring their interactions to truce. A community is (if you’ll pardon some poetry) a weaving of the individuals’ connecting threads, and marriage is one of the tools by which that weaving occurs.

Marriage also, and in something of an overlap, creates a legal proxy. This proxy can speak and act on behalf of the individual in almost all cases, which is most significant when the individual is incapable of doing so. This is a significant advantage to the community/state as it takes real effort to make a /right/ decision for the individual without a representative voice.

430 chadu  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 6:26:13pm

re: #381 simoom


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