At ‘Minority Outreach’ Panel, CPAC Participant Defends Slavery

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And today at CPAC, a full-on right wing racist meltdown at a panel discussion on (yes, irony is dead) “minority outreach:” CPAC Participant Defends Slavery at Minority Outreach Panel: It Gave ‘Food and Shelter’ to Blacks.

What this guy says is no different than the rhetoric you can find in the comment sections of almost any right wing blog or news site.

A panel at the Conservative Political Action Committee on Republican minority outreach exploded into controversy on Friday afternoon, after an audience member defended slavery as good for African-Americans.

The exchange occurred after an audience member from North Carolina, 30-year-old Scott Terry, asked whether Republicans could endorse races remaining separate but equal. After the presenter, K. Carl Smith of Frederick Douglass Republicans, answered by referencing a letter by Frederick Douglass forgiving his former master, the audience member said “For what? For feeding him and housing him?”

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When asked by ThinkProgress if he’d accept a society where African-Americans were permanently subservient to whites, he said “I’d be fine with that.” He also claimed that African-Americans “should be allowed to vote in Africa,” and that “all the Tea Parties” were concerned with the same racial problems that he was.

At one point, a woman challenged him on the Republican Party’s roots, to which Terry responded, “I didn’t know the legacy of the Republican Party included women correcting men in public.”

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1 Bulworth  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:20:25pm

I for one am totally stumped as to why more African Americans don’t support today’s Confederate Party. It’s taken the name of the old Republican Party, for one. /

2 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:20:57pm

OK was it KraftyWurker or vdare?

3 euphgeek  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:23:51pm

It must have been a liberal infiltrator! Everyone knows conservatives aren’t racist!
/

4 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:23:58pm

Alienate everyone!

5 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:24:31pm

Obviously a gay left-wing Obammunist Marxist ACORN Muslim inside job Benghazi plant!!!1 #hashtags #ohSoManyHashtags #moreHashtags #lotsahashtags #aeiousometimesy

6 makeitstop  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:24:58pm

And Republicans continue to wonder what the problem is.

I don’t even argue with my conservative friends any more. I just point to shit like this and tell them this is what their party is now.

7 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:25:12pm

Sheesh I didn’t know they resurrected John C. Calhoun.

8 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:25:22pm

How could this guy possibly have thought he’d be welcome at CPAC?

/

9 engineer cat  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:26:24pm

K. Carl Smith of Frederick Douglass Republicans, answered by referencing a letter by Frederick Douglass forgiving his former master, the audience member said “For what? For feeding him and housing him?”

would rather live on his knees than die on his feet

10 Amory Blaine  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:26:29pm

Some corporations don’t pay their employees enough to feed their families yet enjoy large profits. Taxpayers pick up the tab.

11 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:27:03pm

re: #10 Amory Blaine

Some corporations don’t pay their employees enough to feed their families yet enjoy large profits. Taxpayers pick up the tab.

yeah like Wal Mart.

12 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:27:09pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

How could this guy possibly have thought he’d be welcome at CPAC?

/

Which guy? The white racist or the African-American?

13 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:27:40pm

A racist and a misogynist? Quite a catch there.

14 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:27:43pm
15 Mattand  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:28:36pm

I made the mistake of watching the video.

I got to 1:38 before I turned it off.

Goddamn, this is what you’re voting for when you vote GOP. I just want to shake the people here who vote Republican and scream “WAKE UP! THIS IS WHAT YOU’RE SUPPORTING!”

It is depressing to think that as I hurtle headlong into middle age, there’s a generation of people behind me who spin slavery as “not that bad.”

16 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:28:42pm
17 alinuxguru  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:28:55pm

People are taking a glass half empty aproach to this video. Just remember, there were no cross burnings at this years CPAC. You know. Progress. /

18 Mentis Fugit  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:29:06pm

Just posted this downstairs but it belongs here. (And damn you, spell checker, don’t question my Brit-Eng spelling.)

Let me see if I’ve got this right.

I can break into Scott Terry’s home and abduct him at gun point, then pile him into a truck along with half his neighbours and slowly drive across country for three weeks with them shackled to the walls of the trailer. During this time half of his neighbours will die of dysentery and heatstroke, and at the other end I can lock the survivors in a shed and force them to work for me behind barbed wire and electric fences. I don’t have to pay them; in fact I can beat them as much as I like, and if I batter anyone to death, I can always go back to his old home town and get some more. Oh yeah, and I can rape his wife or girlfriend whenever I like, always assuming she survived the ride.

And he’ll thank me.

19 EPR-radar  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:29:16pm

This is what happens when the conservative movement gets an infestation of neo-Confederates.

20 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:30:14pm
21 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:30:40pm

Tea Party Event on Racial Tolerance Turns to Chaos as White Supremacists Arrive | TPMDC

Scott Terry of North Carolina, accompanied by a Confederate-flag-clad attendee, Matthew Heimbach, rose to say he took offense to the event’s take on slavery. (Heimbach founded the White Students Union at Towson University and is described as a “white nationalist” by the Southern Poverty Law Center.)

“It seems to be that you’re reaching out to voters at the expense of young white Southern males,” Terry said, adding he “came to love my people and culture” who were “being systematically disenfranchised.”

Smith responded that Douglass forgave his slavemaster.

“For giving him food? And shelter” Terry said.

At this point the event devolved into a mess of shouting. Organizers calmed things down by asking everyone to “take the debate outside after the presentation.”

Brown, who took offense at the suggestion modern Democrats were descendants of the KKK, tried to ask a question later once things finally calmed down. She was booed and screamed at by audience members.

“Let someone else speak!” one attendee in Revolutionary War garb shouted.

“You’re not welcome!” a white-haired older woman yelled.

22 Mattand  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:30:54pm

re: #17 alinuxguru

People are taking a glass half empty aproach to this video. Just remember, there were no cross burnings at this years CPAC. You know. Progress. /

I’d like to think the look of WTF the one young woman gets on her face, after Capt. Oppressed spouts off about slavery, is a hopeful sign.

23 makeitstop  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:31:43pm

The takeaway:

Brown, who took offense at the suggestion modern Democrats were descendants of the KKK, tried to ask a question later once things finally calmed down. She was booed and screamed at by audience members.

“Let someone else speak!” one attendee in Revolutionary War garb shouted.

“You’re not welcome!” a white-haired older woman yelled.

Eventually she asked a question. It was about whether Republicans should call out racist ads.

Attendees interviewed by TPM afterwards expressed outrage at the way the event turned out. Not at the Terry and Heimbach — they were mad at Brown for her interruptions.

Holy crap. They are who we thought they were.

24 Mattand  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:32:27pm

re: #21 Charles Johnson

Tea Party Event on Racial Tolerance Turns to Chaos as White Supremacists Arrive | TPMDC

My lack of shock. It’s over there facepalming in the corner.

25 EPR-radar  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:32:41pm

re: #15 Mattand

I made the mistake of watching the video.

I got to 1:38 before I turned it off.

Goddamn, this is what you’re voting for when you vote GOP. I just want to shake the people here who vote Republican and scream “WAKE UP! THIS IS WHAT YOU’RE SUPPORTING!”

It is depressing to think that as I hurtle headlong into middle age, there’s a generation of people behind me who spin slavery as “not that bad.”

Indeed. Which is worse, to vote for a racist because one is like-minded and approves of racism, or to vote for a racist because at least the racist isn’t a Democrat?

If he isn’t too old or dead, David Duke should come out of retirement. He could totally win elections in teabagger dominated races.

26 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:33:08pm

This is the Hurricane Sandy of Derp.

27 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:34:38pm

As long as the GOP has room for these people, I will not support the GOP in any way, shape or form.

Take your message and get fucked.

28 EPR-radar  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:34:59pm

re: #26 Vicious Babushka

This is the Hurricane Sandy of Derp.

A milestone on the way to peak wing nut.

The 2016 GOP primary season seems to be a likely occasion for the wingularity.

30 Lidane  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:36:50pm

Just remember — it’s the messaging, not the message.

WTF.

31 Mattand  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:37:00pm

re: #25 EPR-radar

Indeed. Which is worse, to vote for a racist because one is like-minded and approves of racism, or to vote for a racist because at least the racist isn’t a Democrat?

If he isn’t too old or dead, David Duke should come out of retirement. He could totally win elections in teabagger dominated races.

Christ, the guy got elected to LA state Congress 20 years ago, when he was still considered fringe. Given this climate, he could easily wind up in the House of Reps.

32 Gus  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:37:33pm

Scott Terry of North Carolina, accompanied by a Confederate-flag-clad attendee, Matthew Heimbach, rose to say he took offense to the event’s take on slavery. (Heimbach founded the White Students Union at Towson University and is described as a “white nationalist” by the Southern Poverty Law Center.)

33 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:38:01pm

re: #29 Gus

Hey? Can anyone identify this flag?

reading what I can of it, that shirt looks like it has a different version of the pledge of allegiance too…*facepalm*

34 Mattand  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:39:07pm

I just posted the second TPM article to Twitter/Facebook.

I’m not sure why. I feel people need to know this stuff, but at least in my corner of the universe, everyone will go “Ah, that’s just a fringe group. Real Republicans aren’t like that.”

35 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:39:24pm
36 Bulworth  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:39:37pm

re: #32 Gus

Oh great, a White Supremecist from my new home state of MD. ///

37 EPR-radar  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:39:48pm

re: #33 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

reading what I can of it, that shirt looks like it has a different version of the pledge of allegiance too…*facepalm*

Looks like it is intended to be a pledge to the confederate flag.

Yet another maroon unwittingly protected by the strict definition of treason in the US constitution.

38 Ian G.  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:40:28pm

Scott Terry is a good example of why I think we didn’t go far enough after the Civil War. We should have handled it the way we handled post-war Germany and Japan, with hangings handed out to the leadership, and a total cleansing of the culture that produced the racial supremacist violence that animated that society.

If only Thaddeus Stevens had been VP instead of Andrew Johnson….

39 Bulworth  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:40:39pm

re: #35 Charles Johnson

Can’t control the crazy.

40 lgffan  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:41:02pm

Come on! This is not a joke? Serious?
Seriously sick.

41 Gus  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:41:30pm
42 Mattand  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:41:45pm

re: #39 Bulworth

Can’t control the crazy.

Particularly when you’ve been courting it for 40 years.

43 engineer cat  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:44:49pm

re: #28 EPR-radar

A milestone on the way to peak wing nut.

The 2016 GOP primary season seems to be a likely occasion for the wingularity.

you know of course that the wingularity will followed a femtosecond later by the big bang of the ‘conservative’ movement into an ever expanding universe of a million Genuine One and Only True Conservative Republican Party parties

44 Lidane  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:45:08pm

More fuel for CPAC:

45 Gus  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:45:12pm

At Towson Univ., a Student Makes His Case for a White Student Union | American Renaissance

Race has arrived on the front doorstep of Towson University, and it’s a package no one wants to open. This fall Matthew Heimbach, a student at the public university in the Baltimore suburbs proposed starting a white student union. His calls attracted immediate attention; with his cloudy but very emphatic views on race, he’s excellent at courting publicity for the 21,000-student university…

46 Bulworth  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:46:12pm

re: #45 Gus

Ugh.

47 EPR-radar  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:46:13pm

re: #38 Ian G.

Scott Terry is a good example of why I think we didn’t go far enough after the Civil War. We should have handled it the way we handled post-war Germany and Japan, with hangings handed out to the leadership, and a total cleansing of the culture that produced the racial supremacist violence that animated that society.

If only Thaddeus Stevens had been VP instead of Andrew Johnson….

While I think some leadership hangings could have been justified post civil war, the idea of forcibly reconstructing the South on non-racist lines is an unrealistic anachronism. If nothing else, there was not nearly enough political will in the North for that.

Also, the US Confederacy was much more deeply entrenched in society than either the Nazis or the Japanese militarists. Removing that aspect of the US south by military force is also unrealistic.

48 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:46:32pm

And when does anyone here in Lizardom expect John Boehner, Karl Rove, Sarah Palin, et al., to come forward in a press conference and denounce this kind of activity, saying that such views have no place whatsoever in not only the conservative movement, but certainly not in a civilized society?

Any bets as to when that will occur?

Me…..I’m going with sometime between never and the Heat Death of the Universe.

49 Lidane  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:46:38pm
“It seems to be that you’re reaching out to voters at the expense of young white Southern males,” Terry said, adding he “came to love my people and culture” who were “being systematically disenfranchised.”

Is that the latest Neo-Confederate metaphor for “having our asses handed to us by the Union army”?

50 SpaceJesus  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:47:10pm

These guys are now what passes for moderate on the right

51 EPR-radar  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:47:49pm

re: #43 engineer cat

you know of course that the wingularity will followed a femtosecond later by the big bang of the ‘conservative’ movement into an ever expanding universe of a million Genuine One and Only True Conservative Republican Party parties

Hopefully the catalyst for this blessed event is a crushing electoral defeat.

52 Major Tom  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:47:54pm

…So it’s going well… lol

53 SpaceJesus  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:48:20pm

Conservatism is literally shit

54 Gus  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:48:59pm

Guess who he brought to Towson?

This video is not the best quality in the world, and it is missing much of the Q&A session (and the antifa that bum-rushed the door behind Jared Taylor at the end of the night), but we wanted to provide people with whatever video we have of this event, so we apologize for that and encourage viewers to seek out other videos from this night in addition to this one. This was taped as white supremacist Jared Taylor spoke at Towson University in support of a White Student Union that Matthew Heimbach, the former president of the Towson University chapter of the White Student Union has been trying to get on campus. Thing is, when the overwhelming majority of your audience is black, and you feel the need to deny you have ever said that black people are inferior to whites when saying that has basically been your life’s work, it’s hard to say that the day went to the hatemongers.

55 EPR-radar  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:49:34pm

re: #50 SpaceJesus

These guys are now what passes for moderate on the right

They are moderates because they don’t use the n-word where they can be recorded. //dripping

56 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:51:51pm

re: #51 EPR-radar

Hopefully the catalyst for this blessed event is a crushing electoral defeat.

The media would really need to bring this out and focus on it intensely. Maybe a “60 Minutes” segment on a neo-Confederate takeover of the GOP, or how the neo-Confederate/White Nationalist movement is attempting to come into power by infiltrating the GOP through the Tea Party movement.

That should raise some shrieks. Me…..I’d do it in late September or early October of next year. But I’m evil like that.

57 Alexzander  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:52:28pm

HILARIOUS!

58 Gus  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:52:50pm
59 engineer cat  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:53:23pm

re: #51 EPR-radar

Hopefully the catalyst for this blessed event is a crushing electoral defeat.

oh i hope to see it take place at what history would record as the last unified republican presidential convention

60 freetoken  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:54:45pm

re: #56 Dr Lizardo

News-wire and major media outlets are still whitewashing (um… ) CPAC. They use the most bland, if not benign, terms to describe the participating groups. Indeed, when Mitt Romney shows up he legitimizes the whole gathering, in the eyes of many, if news coverage is your metric.

61 engineer cat  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:55:32pm

Trump to GOP: Don’t cut entitlements or you’re going to lose

please copy this to barack as well thenkyew

62 Gus  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:56:40pm

TT Live 13: Current Events with Co-Host Scott Terry

Christian Gray and Scott Terry are joined by Matthew Heimback and Justin Cottrell to discuss current events, mostly centered around recent second amendment attacks.

Likely topics:

Another White Nationalist objection to Kinism
Obama’s Executive Orders
Piers Morgan getting smacked around by Larry Pratt and Alex Jones
Lew Rockwell Interview on government and recent gun legislation
Matthew Heimbach and Cottrell join the discussion in the second half.

63 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:57:05pm

re: #60 freetoken

News-wire and major media outlets are still whitewashing (um… ) CPAC. They use the most bland, if not benign, terms to describe the participating groups. Indeed, when Mitt Romney shows up he legitimizes the whole gathering, in the eyes of many, if news coverage is your metric.

Therein lies the problem. This kind of crap needs to be exposed, not whitewashed.

Seriously, a “60 Minutes” exposé is in order, and like I suggested, in September or October of next year.

Just before the mid-terms.

64 EPR-radar  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:57:41pm

re: #59 engineer cat

oh i hope to see it take place at what history would record as the last unified republican presidential convention

I did enjoy the fact that significant damage was done to Romney in the GOP primaries from the economic left (e.g., by Gingrich).

When they don’t have a Democratic party anti-Christ figure to provide party unity, the GOP factions can start to fight among themselves like crazed weasels stuffed into a sack. This is a delightful trend that the Democrats need to encourage.

65 Gus  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:58:06pm

re: #62 Gus

TT Live 13: Current Events with Co-Host Scott Terry

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66 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 2:59:58pm

Guys like this prove there are no moderates anymore in the GOP or Tea Party, because anyone who would give this guy a place in their party sure as fuck isn’t a moderate.

67 Decatur Deb  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 3:00:01pm

re: #38 Ian G.

Scott Terry is a good example of why I think we didn’t go far enough after the Civil War. We should have handled it the way we handled post-war Germany and Japan, with hangings handed out to the leadership, and a total cleansing of the culture that produced the racial supremacist violence that animated that society.

If only Thaddeus Stevens had been VP instead of Andrew Johnson….

Was raised in Pennsylvania schools to believe the Radical Reconstructionists were the bad guys. Under reconsideration.

68 freetoken  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 3:00:10pm

re: #63 Dr Lizardo

There is little to be gained from an expose. Specialist/activists have been trying for years - Bill Moyers, SPLC, etc. While they do enlighten some, the fact is the US population is over 310 million, but a few million seem to be plugged in, literally and figuratively, to the more aware and engaged political analysts who discuss these issues. Many Americans just go day to day not paying attention, more worried about whether to go do Domino’s or Pizza Hut.

69 EPR-radar  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 3:00:30pm

re: #60 freetoken

News-wire and major media outlets are still whitewashing (um… ) CPAC. They use the most bland, if not benign, terms to describe the participating groups. Indeed, when Mitt Romney shows up he legitimizes the whole gathering, in the eyes of many, if news coverage is your metric.

This is a big problem. Accurate reports of the kookfest that conservatism has become are often dismissed because people tend to believe that US conservatives can’t be as bad as described.

70 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 3:00:36pm

re: #47 EPR-radar

While I think some leadership hangings could have been justified post civil war, the idea of forcibly reconstructing the South on non-racist lines is an unrealistic anachronism. If nothing else, there was not nearly enough political will in the North for that.

Also, the US Confederacy was much more deeply entrenched in society than either the Nazis or the Japanese militarists. Removing that aspect of the US south by military force is also unrealistic.

Wait, didn’t they totally do that in 1865?

71 freetoken  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 3:01:46pm

re: #69 EPR-radar

Accurate reports of the kookfest that conservatism has become are often dismissed because people tend to believe that US conservatives can’t be as bad as described.

It wouldn’t be “balanced” to call a hate-fest a hate-fest.

72 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 3:02:29pm

re: #68 freetoken

There is little to be gained from an expose. Specialist/activists have been trying for years - Bill Moyers, SPLC, etc. While they do enlighten some, the fact is the US population is over 310 million, but a few million seem to be plugged in, literally and figuratively, to the more aware and engaged political analysts who discuss these issues. Many Americans just go day to day not paying attention, more worried about whether to go do Domino’s or Pizza Hut.

Sad. You’d need something sensationalistic, like “THE KKK IS TAKING OVER AMERICA” or “NEO-NAZIS PLAN TO KILL YOU!!” before you’d get any real attention.

73 Lidane  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 3:02:33pm
74 EPR-radar  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 3:02:46pm

re: #70 Vicious Babushka

Wait, didn’t they totally do that in 1865?

The Confederate regime was removed in 1865. The racial attitudes underlying the Confederacy were not stamped out at the time (no real attempt was made, and it would have been foolish to try this with an occupying army).

75 Gus  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 3:04:03pm

Same Scott Terry. Facebook page here. He’s at CPAC.

76 Patricia Kayden  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 3:04:31pm

re: #36 Bulworth

Oh great, a White Supremecist from my new home state of MD. ///

Don’t worry about it. MD is a blue blue state. We just okayed same sex marriage, banned the death penalty and only have 1 Repub Congresscritter (to my knowledge). It’s a great state.

77 BongCrodny  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 3:07:08pm

If every idiot we’ve read about for the past two days is a liberal plant, are there any conservatives at CPAC?

78 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 3:08:24pm

re: #74 EPR-radar

The Confederate regime was removed in 1865. The racial attitudes underlying the Confederacy were not stamped out at the time (no real attempt was made, and it would have been foolish to try this with an occupying army).

Expressions of loyalty to the Confederacy were considered the same as expressions of disloyalty to the United States (yo, Patriots!) The losers had it drilled into them that they totally lost. It was only once the GAR veterans died out and the Civil War was no longer in anyone’s personal memory that nostalgia for the Old South (like Gone With The Wind) started creeping back.

79 freetoken  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 3:10:06pm

re: #78 Vicious Babushka

It’s why the proper name of the war, as on my ancestor’s documents, is the “War of the Rebellion”.

To this day confederates adopt the term “rebels”.

It is an explicit expression of disloyalty to the concept and union of the United States.

80 Gus  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 3:10:50pm

Matt’s profile pics on Twitter.

See something there?

Irmin Vinson’s Some Thoughts on Hitler and Other Essays is a book about propaganda. Vinson explains how the organized Jewish community uses the memory of Adolf Hitler and the Holocaust as weapons to stigmatize the patriotism and ethnic pride not just of Germans, but of all whites, including those who fought against Hitler. In these clear, rational, and highly readable essays, Irmin Vinson demolishes this propaganda and exposes the insidious agenda behind it

81 Gus  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 3:11:27pm

Ahem.

82 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 3:11:28pm

re: #65 Gus

I shouldn’t read stuff like that right after I’ve eaten.

83 Decatur Deb  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 3:11:43pm

re: #78 Vicious Babushka

The last widow receiving a Confederate soldier’s pension died near here a few years ago. (There were several claims to that status.)

84 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 3:15:14pm

re: #77 BongCrodny

If every idiot we’ve read about for the past two days is a liberal plant, are there any conservatives at CPAC?

There’s a very funny piece of science fiction by Stanislaw Lem like that. An agent is disguised as a robot to spy on a planet on vehemently anti-human robots, except it turns out that most of the robots are actually disguised humans *also* engaged in deep cover espionage, and the entire arc of the anti-human sentiments has been fanned by the need not to break cover. The not funny part is it’s all a satire of the secret police methods in the Soviet Bloc.

CPAC is like the opposite. There’s killer robots wandering around giving policy pieces about Killing All Humans and getting applause, and the people running it are like “There’s no real robots here!” and “Only a racist would notice the violent robots!”

85 The Mountain That Blogs  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 3:15:19pm

Off topic, but I got my first choice of emergency medicine residency. I’m going to be a real doctor!!

86 BongCrodny  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 3:15:35pm

re: #65 Gus

While this site is inflexibly Christian in its authority and Occidental in its fraternity, we are no more dogmatic and kin-oriented than others.

I can name that tune in three words: we’re fucking nuts.

87 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 3:15:56pm

re: #83 Decatur Deb

The last widow receiving a Confederate soldier’s pension died near here a few years ago. (There were several claims to that status.)

What happened was Confederate veterans were awarded pensions in, I’m not sure, about 1914 or so, then there were a whole bunch of bogus weddings of 80-year-old men to young women who wanted that pension, figuring the old guy would die soon and then she’d be set for life.

How much was it, like $25 a month?

88 kirkspencer  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 3:16:05pm

re: #78 Vicious Babushka

Expressions of loyalty to the Confederacy were considered the same as expressions of disloyalty to the United States (yo, Patriots!) The losers had it drilled into them that they totally lost. It was only once the GAR veterans died out and the Civil War was no longer in anyone’s personal memory that nostalgia for the Old South (like Gone With The Wind) started creeping back.

Don’t forget Birth of a Nation. That recruitment tool for the KKK was powerful.

89 kirkspencer  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 3:17:23pm

re: #85 The Mountain That Blogs

Off topic, but I got my first choice of emergency medicine residency. I’m going to be a real doctor!!

Congratulations. May we ask where? (And yes, “no you may not” is an acceptable answer.)

90 The Mountain That Blogs  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 3:18:12pm

re: #89 kirkspencer

Not going to specify, but it’s a major urban trauma center, and was exactly what I was looking for.

91 Lidane  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 3:18:20pm

More fuel for the CPAC fire:

92 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 3:18:20pm

Oh, wait…

93 kirkspencer  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 3:19:18pm

re: #90 The Mountain That Blogs

Not going to specify, but it’s a major urban trauma center, and was exactly what I was looking for.

Coolness, and again grats.

94 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 3:19:49pm
95 Decatur Deb  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 3:19:49pm

re: #87 Vicious Babushka

What happened was Confederate veterans were awarded pensions in, I’m not sure, about 1914 or so, then there were a whole bunch of bogus weddings of 80-year-old men to young women who wanted that pension, figuring the old guy would die soon and then she’d be set for life.

How much was it, like $25 a month?

Yup—that May-December thing was a normal eldercare strategy for that generation, not so much a scam. It was attractive enough in real dollars of its day. Here’s a Google return on the claimants:

google.com

96 freetoken  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 3:21:31pm

TNR just ran a short story on this brouhaha at CPAC. Yet I notice that the usual right wing sites have yet to jump on it.

97 EPR-radar  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 3:22:08pm

re: #78 Vicious Babushka

Expressions of loyalty to the Confederacy were considered the same as expressions of disloyalty to the United States (yo, Patriots!) The losers had it drilled into them that they totally lost. It was only once the GAR veterans died out and the Civil War was no longer in anyone’s personal memory that nostalgia for the Old South (like Gone With The Wind) started creeping back.

I think we are pretty much both right here, and my original post was ambiguous. The Union occupying army can (and did) stamp out overt expressions of support for the Confederacy as a political entity and symbol for rebellion.

However, the Union occupying army cannot (and did not) stamp out racism per se, such that Jim Crow would not have happened once the occupation was over. Thus, racism was an aspect of the Confederacy that could not really be removed in a military occupation.

99 Decatur Deb  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 3:22:35pm

re: #87 Vicious Babushka

What happened was Confederate veterans were awarded pensions in, I’m not sure, about 1914 or so, then there were a whole bunch of bogus weddings of 80-year-old men to young women who wanted that pension, figuring the old guy would die soon and then she’d be set for life.

How much was it, like $25 a month?

Ah. Here’s another one near here—her pension was 50 Yankee dollars a month. Note she actually produced children in her marriage, died in 2004. Randy old goat.

101 sagehen  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 3:26:00pm

re: #74 EPR-radar

The Confederate regime was removed in 1865. The racial attitudes underlying the Confederacy were not stamped out at the time (no real attempt was made, and it would have been foolish to try this with an occupying army).

When Grant was president, he tried very hard; there was a very strong 1875 civil rights bill, the Army was sent to root out the KKK, and… that’s why the drummed up whitewaterish hysteria to paint Grant as corrupt.

Then there was a disputed vote tally in Florida (even that far back, it was *always* Florida), crisis-crisis-crisis, and the party elites settled on “Tilden will drop his objections and let Hayes have the Presidency, on condition that Reconstruction be ended and the outside agitators federal government stop giving a damn how we do things below the Mason-Dixon line”). That’s how Jim Crow came to be.

102 Gus  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 3:27:50pm

More samples

Evasive Race-Denying Conservative Chrisitans

You can’t beat a thesis with fallacious ad hominems.

Liberal race-mixers who pose as conservatives need to consider the two points made in this and the connecting post, and then refute them without using their cop-out “racist,” “bigot,” “Nazi,” or “white-supremacist” rhetoric. So read this slowly and remember that in debate no one cares for your feelings, and you will be awarded no points for visceral responses. What is valued most is critical thinking–clear theses, arguments and rebuttals..

.

103 Decatur Deb  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 3:29:05pm

re: #98 Gus

Image: Tribal-Theocrat-Scrn-Sht-1.jpg
Image: Tribal-Theocrat-Scrn-Sht-2.jpg

So we can expect a strongly-worded letter from the American Conservative Union/CPAC condemning this guy’s infiltration?

104 EPR-radar  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 3:29:27pm

re: #101 sagehen

When Grant was president, he tried very hard; there was a very strong 1875 civil rights bill, the Army was sent to root out the KKK, and… that’s why the drummed up whitewaterish hysteria to paint Grant as corrupt.

Then there was a disputed vote tally in Florida (even that far back, it was *always* Florida), crisis-crisis-crisis, and the party elites settled on “Tilden will drop his objections and let Hayes have the Presidency, on condition that Reconstruction be ended and the outside agitators federal government stop giving a damn how we do things below the Mason-Dixon line”). That’s how Jim Crow came to be.

The details of this history are interesting. I’m pessimistic enough to believe that something like the Hayes-Tilden deal was inevitable —- decades of military rule would have been needed to try to make the 1875 civil rights bill stick, and the political will for that was not present.

105 freetoken  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 3:29:47pm

Here is how CBS.com reports on CPAC:

Despite loss, conservatives say Romney belongs at CPAC

Mitt Romney - the same presidential nominee who Rick Santorum once called “the worst Republican in the country” to face off against President Obama on the issue of health care, and who at least one tea party group deemed the day after his Nov. 6 election loss “a weak moderate candidate, hand-picked by the Beltway elites and country-club establishment wing of the Republican Party” - spoke today at the most who’s-who conservative gathering in the country.

Romney’s speech to the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) […] was met with courteous applause.

His involvement in general, though, drew from convention-goers, speakers and VIPs a stark dichotomy, torn between wanting to embrace the “big tent” ideology of the Republican Party, and Texas Gov. Rick Perry’s assessment at the conference Thursday that Romney lost last fall because he wasn’t a true conservative.

“I hope to God he’s not the future” of the conservative movement, Andy Brown, from White Bear Lake, Minn., said of Romney. Brown said the former Massachusetts governor “didn’t have as much of a spine as I’d like,” and cited as his picks for the 2012 nomination two tea party favorites: former Rep. Allen West and Rep. Michele Bachmann.

Still, Brown said, Romney deserved his invitation: “He’s still one of us,” he said. “He may not have and share the same values as the majority of us, but he was working towards the same goal as us.”

Emory University graduate student David Giffin said “yes and no” to whether Romney should have been featured in a lineup that included rising stars like Sens. Marco Rubio and Rand Paul, but excluded New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie.

“Many have argued that what happened [with Romney’s loss in November] was because he didn’t quite go for broke on some of the principles that we value at the conference,” Giffin said. “And other people, I think, make a good case that he should be brought back, because he still is a part of the club, whether or not he lost.”

[…]

Foster Friess, one of the biggest donors to Santorum’s campaign, agreed: “In the past election I think many conservatives… weren’t quit sure where he stood,” Friess told CBS News. “But now that he’s not running for president, he can be very candid about where he stands. And I believe you’re gonna find that maybe not on every issue we like, but… he loves his family, he loves his God and he loves his country. What more could you ask?” [????????????]

Jacqueline Quander, a Tufts University student from San Francisco who identifies as an independent, said while it may not be “comfortable” for Romney to attend CPAC following such a wealth of different reactions to his campaign performance, he “definitely belongs here.” His moderation, she said, still “appeals to a lot of people” in the party.

University of Texas, San Antonio student Ian Jacobson reasoned that Romney served as an important page in the GOP’s history.

“If you’re gonna move forward, you have to know where you came from, and so it’s important to learn from the past, and take those lessons moving forward,” he said. “So I feel like anybody who’s been involved in the movement in the past and is willing to continue to work with the movement should be included in that movement.”

That “absolutely,” Jacobson said, “includes Mitt Romney.”

In summary, according to CBS.com, CPAC = one big if somewhat disjoint yet happy family welcoming in the “moderate” Mitt Romney.

And… who knew the GOP’s ideology was “big tent”? Anybody want to raise their hands?

106 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 3:30:09pm

re: #85 The Mountain That Blogs

Off topic, but I got my first choice of emergency medicine residency. I’m going to be a real doctor!!

Congratulations!

107 freetoken  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 3:31:09pm

What I learned from CBS.com: CPAC are “conservatives” who are going out of their way to open their arms to “moderate” Mitt Romney.

Yes, that’s what CBS.com tells me.

108 Decatur Deb  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 3:32:33pm

re: #107 freetoken

What I learned from CBS.com: CPAC are “conservatives” who are going out of their way to open their arms to “moderate” Mitt Romney.

Yes, that’s what CBS.com tells me.

Maybe Mitt will win in 2016—it’s still his turn.

109 Gus  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 3:32:53pm

re: #103 Decatur Deb

So we can expect a strongly-worded letter from the American Conservative Union/CPAC condemning this guy’s infiltration?

Don’t hold your breath.

110 EPR-radar  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 3:36:35pm

re: #108 Decatur Deb

Maybe Mitt will win in 2016—it’s still his turn.

That would be hilarious. I wonder if Mitt really feels entitled enough to make a second run.

111 freetoken  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 3:36:58pm
112 Decatur Deb  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 3:37:53pm

re: #111 freetoken

Doobie doobie doo….

NY Republican assemblyman faces marijuana charge

Coolest thing reported about a Republican today.

113 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 3:38:10pm
114 engineer cat  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 3:40:13pm

re: #102 Gus

Liberal race-mixers who pose as conservatives need to consider the two points made in this and the connecting post, and then refute them

oh?

115 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 3:40:51pm

That Atlantic article confirms that the name of this panel was “Trump the Race Card: Are You Sick and Tired of Being Called a Racist and You Know You’re Not One?”

Sofa king classic.

116 Patricia Kayden  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 3:42:04pm

re: #108 Decatur Deb

Ha!

Or maybe we’ll finally get that elusive Bachmann/Palin ticket.

117 EPR-radar  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 3:43:21pm

re: #115 Charles Johnson

That Atlantic article confirms that the name of this panel was “Trump the Race Card: Are You Sick and Tired of Being Called a Racist and You Know You’re Not One?”

Sofa king classic.

Another salient point from this article is that this panel was apparently standing room only.

The tea partiers are being called out as racist, and they are getting tired of it.

118 Patricia Kayden  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 3:43:59pm

re: #117 EPR-radar

Which is ironic because THEY ARE RACISTS!!

119 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 3:44:12pm

Note: the actual presentation by K Carl Smith at the “Trump the Race Card” discussion fell directly into the “we can’t be racist, a century ago we weren’t racist” canard that I’ve been mocking all week.

To which I would add the canard of “we’re not personally racist, we just support not examining institutional racism as it still exists.”

120 EPR-radar  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 3:47:14pm

re: #119 The Ghost of a Flea

Note: the actual presentation by K Carl Smith at the “Trump the Race Card” discussion fell directly into the “we can’t be racist, a century ago we weren’t racist” canard that I’ve been mocking all week.

They are really going with the ‘See who the sides were in the Civil War’ nonsense?

That’s a level of stupidity that gets into the acutely toxic range.

121 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 3:47:15pm
122 Stanley Sea  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 3:48:43pm

re: #90 The Mountain That Blogs

Not going to specify, but it’s a major urban trauma center, and was exactly what I was looking for.

Congrats Dr Mountain!

123 freetoken  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 3:51:11pm

And yes… just a few minutes ago NRO runs with a piece extolling the virtues of…. shoe shining:

Putting the Shine on CPAC

CPAC participants enjoyed a particularly rare service at the Gaylord National Resort and Convention Center: The simple shoe shine.

Dino Wright, manager and owner of the shoe-shine booth, has worked at the hotel since it opened five years ago.

CPAC and events like it boost business for Wright. He says he thinks it’s because he “provides a very important service to this very image-conscious group.”

[…]

And the run a photo of the service and Mr. Wright.

And you get one, yes only one, guess as to the races of the person giving the shoe shine and the person receiving it.

124 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 3:52:21pm

re: #120 EPR-radar

They are really going with the ‘See who the sides were in the Civil War’ nonsense?

That’s a level of stupidity that gets into the acutely toxic range.

You want a real paradox, consider that there are people there that will pat themselves on the back for being “the party of Lincoln” but rub elbows with people that celebrate the Confederacy for its celebration of “state’s rights.”

125 freetoken  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 3:52:25pm

I could not have invented that if I tried.

It’s almost as if there really is a God, and she’s working overtime to demonstrate what foolish racists these people are.

126 Decatur Deb  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 3:52:28pm

re: #123 freetoken

And yes… just a few minutes ago NRO runs with a piece extolling the virtues of…. shoe shining:

Putting the Shine on CPAC

And the run a photo of the service and Mr. Wright.

And you get one, yes only one, guess as to the races of the person giving the shoe shine and the person receiving it.

Well, that’s another minority photo for the collection.

127 Gus  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 3:52:49pm

OK, tribaltheocrat is probably not him. A link here indicates that his page is here.

128 Decatur Deb  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 3:55:34pm

re: #127 Gus

OK, tribaltheocrat is probably not him. A link here indicates that his page is here.

And that’s better how?

129 EPR-radar  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 3:55:46pm

re: #18 Mentis Fugit

Just posted this downstairs but it belongs here. (And damn you, spell checker, don’t question my Brit-Eng spelling.)

Let me see if I’ve got this right.

I can break into Scott Terry’s home and abduct him at gun point, then pile him into a truck along with half his neighbours and slowly drive across country for three weeks with them shackled to the walls of the trailer. During this time half of his neighbours will die of dysentery and heatstroke, and at the other end I can lock the survivors in a shed and force them to work for me behind barbed wire and electric fences. I don’t have to pay them; in fact I can beat them as much as I like, and if I batter anyone to death, I can always go back to his old home town and get some more. Oh yeah, and I can rape his wife or girlfriend whenever I like, always assuming she survived the ride.

And he’ll thank me.

What’s your problem with freedom to contract?

130 Gus  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 3:56:36pm

re: #128 Decatur Deb

And that’s better how?

I aim for accuracy.

131 engineer cat  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 3:56:53pm

re: #121 Charles Johnson

If CPAC didn’t exist, liberals would have to invent it

how can the republican party hope to get anywhere as long as their members are allowed to speak in public where normal people might hear them?

132 EPR-radar  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 3:58:10pm

re: #131 engineer cat

how can the republican party hope to get anywhere as long as their members are allowed to speak in public where normal people might hear them?

Disenfranchise all the sane people. Next question?

133 freetoken  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 3:59:18pm

There’s a lot to be said for serendipity.

134 Gus  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 3:59:28pm

Links to some site called Spiritwaterblood.

135 Decatur Deb  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 4:00:08pm

re: #132 EPR-radar

Disenfranchise all the sane people. Next question?

They’re working on it. Voter suppression under a crippled Voter’s Rights Act is infinitely more threatening than assault rifles.

136 kirkspencer  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 4:01:02pm

re: #128 Decatur Deb

And that’s better how?

It’s even clearer. No praise of Nazism, no, just outright direct hatred posts. (Read, if you have a strong stomach, his thoughts while watching Fiddler on the Roof.)

137 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 4:02:15pm

re: #134 Gus

Links to some site called Spiritwaterblood.

I did not know they were Khorne worshippers.

138 jaunte  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 4:03:12pm

re: #127 Gus

From that hater Ol’ Shotgun:
“My hatred is a perennial hatred, a transcendent one – bred in my bones as an antidote to the evil plans of Satan who, apparently, has merged himself with a particular people, to be their god, in a hideous imitation of our Lord; and as long as these people are defined by a Satanic constitution, no amount of change in their external, accidental characteristics (their culture, their religious rites, their language, or even their financial standing), will allay my hatred.”

Well, isn’t that special.

139 Decatur Deb  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 4:04:32pm

re: #138 jaunte

Use pencil to make that more obviously a quote.

140 Gus  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 4:06:23pm

re: #138 jaunte

Well, isn’t that special.

It’s all very crazy. He makes your average suburban neo-Confederate sound normal.

141 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 4:06:23pm

I must sign off now to spend the Sabbath with my fellow Zionist Overlords as we plot and scheme to subvert Teh White Race.

142 freetoken  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 4:06:32pm

Yes Virginia, there really are editorial boards still in existence today, who are not afraid to speak the truth:


Trump gems not exactly Tiffany jewels at CPAC: Editorial

The Donald Trump Traveling Sideshow continues to put mileage on its clown car.

Trump addressed the Conservative Political Action Conference this morning – a privilege not extended to Gov. Chris Christie, which may tell you all you need to know about the GOP today. […]

The Washington Post reported there were long stretches of silence during the Trump oration. No doubt the audience was struck dumb by his brilliance.

143 Decatur Deb  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 4:07:16pm

re: #141 Vicious Babushka

I must sign off now to spend the Sabbath with my fellow Zionist Overlords as we plot and scheme to subvert Teh White Race.

Your scary shadow will watch over us.

144 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 4:07:21pm

re: #136 kirkspencer

It’s even clearer. No praise of Nazism, no, just outright direct hatred posts. (Read, if you have a strong stomach, his thoughts while watching Fiddler on the Roof.)

If I’m reading this stuff right, he’s less a Nazi and more over in Positive Christianity (which is Nazi derived, but has sort of expanded beyond NSDAP trappings) plus or minus Neo-Conferderacy notions.

The antisemitism is very much of the former, as are his religious ideas about race.

145 Mattand  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 4:08:59pm

re: #142 freetoken

Yes Virginia, there really are editorial boards still in existence today, who are not afraid to speak the truth:

Trump gems not exactly Tiffany jewels at CPAC: Editorial

Love the opening paragraph:

The Donald Trump Traveling Sideshow continues to put mileage on its clown car.

You know what’s really sad, though? Trump’s speech was one of the least racist things to come out of CPAC.

146 Gus  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 4:09:05pm

I don’t think he likes teh Juice either.

147 freetoken  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 4:09:13pm

I still can’t get over NRO running a piece extolling a black shoe-shiner at CPAC instead of reporting on the “Minority Outreach” panel.

How blatant does this have to get before the “enlightened” conservatives (I’m looking at you Reihan Salam) get a clue?

148 Patricia Kayden  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 4:09:28pm

re: #141 Vicious Babushka

Happy Sabbath!

(But aren’t many Jews White? Including the ones that were murdered in the Holocaust?)

149 freetoken  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 4:10:31pm

I mean really, how hard is this?

150 EPR-radar  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 4:11:31pm

re: #147 freetoken

I still can’t get over NRO running a piece extolling a black shoe-shiner at CPAC instead of reporting on the “Minority Outreach” panel.

How blatant does this have to get before the “enlightened” conservatives (I’m looking at you Reihan Salam) get a clue?

95% of propaganda and spin is in the selection of which stories to cover and which stories to pass over in silence.

151 EPR-radar  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 4:12:42pm

re: #149 freetoken

I mean really, how hard is this?

Actually, it is very difficult —- the intelligent within the GOP know that the Frankenstein’s monster they have created is now beyond their control.

152 freetoken  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 4:14:16pm

Lusting after the flesh at CPAC:

THE LOVELY LADIES OF CPAC

It was tolerable until I came to this one.

153 AlexRogan  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 4:15:46pm

re: #105 freetoken

Here is how CBS.com reports on CPAC:

Despite loss, conservatives say Romney belongs at CPAC

In summary, according to CBS.com, CPAC = one big if somewhat disjoint yet happy family welcoming in the “moderate” Mitt Romney.

And… who knew the GOP’s ideology was “big tent”? Anybody want to raise their hands?

Romney’s at CPAC because he still has a lot of money and party influence and links to other GOPers who do as well.

154 freetoken  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 4:16:04pm

re: #150 EPR-radar

95% of propaganda and spin is in the selection of which stories to cover and which stories to pass over in silence.

But to run an article for shoe shining?

155 Decatur Deb  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 4:18:04pm

re: #154 freetoken

But to run an article for shoe shining?

The minstrel show was canceled.

156 EPR-radar  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 4:19:29pm

re: #154 freetoken

But to run an article for shoe shining?

Perhaps they are trying out a new kind of dog whistle? No other rational explanation comes to mind.

157 Gus  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 4:20:37pm

Interesting search here.

158 Gus  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 4:23:15pm

Same “Aaron Dale” who has a few pages at Stormfront and also has a link to shotgunwildatheart in his public profile at Stormfront also has a link there linking to a Facebook page put together by By Scott Terry and Matthew Heimbach.

159 CuriousLurker  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 4:24:47pm

re: #147 freetoken

I still can’t get over NRO running a piece extolling a black shoe-shiner at CPAC instead of reporting on the “Minority Outreach” panel.

How blatant does this have to get before the “enlightened” conservatives (I’m looking at you Reihan Salam) get a clue?

Heh, how freaky have things gotten when an American sees the Muslim guy as the enlightened conservative at the conference? //

160 CuriousLurker  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 4:26:45pm

WTF happened to the spy? I just cleared my cache because the ding buttons were acting up, and now the spy has zero content.

161 Gus  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 4:27:05pm

Aaron Dale profile below his entry contains this quote:

If the little bird within our bosom sings sweetly, it is of small consequence if all the owls in the world hoot at us.

Page at Scott Terry’s site:

Great Quote from C.H. Spurgeon!

If the little bird within our bosom sings sweetly, it is of small consequence if all the owls in the world hoot at us!

162 Gus  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 4:28:01pm

Hmmm. Hmmm. What a coincidence!

163 freetoken  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 4:28:46pm

re: #160 CuriousLurker

Yes, the ding button thing I noticed earlier. I suspect the Spy is “under construction”.

164 Skip Intro  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 4:29:12pm

re: #105 freetoken

My local paper today called them libertarians on the conservative side of the GOP. I call them Crazed People Attending Convention.

But the whitewashing they’re receiving by little Ben Shapiro’s evil librul media shows me that no matter what they do, they’re going to get a complete pass by the magical balance fairy media.

165 CuriousLurker  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 4:29:41pm

re: #160 CuriousLurker

WTF happened to the spy? I just cleared my cache because the ding buttons were acting up, and now the spy has zero content.

Never mind, it’s back again. I can’t live without the freaking spy. I wonder if Charles is tinkering again…

166 AlexRogan  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 4:31:24pm

re: #165 CuriousLurker

Never mind, it’s back again. I can’t live without the freaking spy. I wonder if Charles is tinkering again…

A day without Charles tinkering on LGF is like a day without sunshine.

///

167 CuriousLurker  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 4:31:41pm

Dammit, Charles! *grumble, mumble…*

168 Skip Intro  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 4:32:32pm

re: #131 engineer cat

how can the republican party hope to get anywhere as long as their members are allowed to speak in public where normal people might hear them?

Does it really matter what they say as long as the media won’t report it?

169 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 4:33:27pm

re: #164 Skip Intro

My local paper today called them libertarians on the conservative side of the GOP. I call them Crazed People Attending Convention.

But the whitewashing they’re receiving by little Ben Shapiro’s evil librul media shows me that no matter what they do, they’re going to get a complete pass by the magical balance fairy media.

That’s why the Magical Balance Fairy needs to have her wings ripped off.

CPAC? More like Nuremburg Rally, which is exactly what I’d call it, and if these pipsqueaks started saying, “No, that’s not true!” I’d have a little video presentation to play back for them and the American viewing public.

170 Skip Intro  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 4:34:32pm

re: #152 freetoken

Lusting after the flesh at CPAC:

THE LOVELY LADIES OF CPAC

It was tolerable until I came to this one.

That one has been spewing all over her blog about how she’s a VIP invitee to CPAC. What she doesn’t say is that you could have been one too if you ponied up $1000 for a VIP ticket.

171 CuriousLurker  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 4:34:41pm

re: #166 AlexRogan

A day without Charles tinkering on LGF is like a day without sunshine.

///

I feel all lost & twitchy without the spy.

172 Destro  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 4:34:48pm

re: #169 Dr Lizardo

That’s why the Magical Balance Fairy needs to have her wings ripped off.

CPAC? More like Nuremburg Rally, which is exactly what I’d call it, and if these pipsqueaks started saying, “No, that’s not true!” I’d have a little video presentation to play back for them and the American viewing public.

I called for full on attack on these right wing crazies and I was attacked for that.

173 AlexRogan  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 4:35:00pm

re: #168 Skip Intro

Does it really matter what they say as long as the media won’t report it?

And if they don’t report it, it’s because they fear the RW noise machine calling them biased liebrals.

The media in this country needs to grow a fucking backbone when it comes to covering politics.

174 AlexRogan  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 4:35:30pm

re: #171 CuriousLurker

I feel all lost & twitchy without the spy.

Got the DTs already?

/

175 CuriousLurker  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 4:37:01pm

re: #174 AlexRogan

Got the DTs already?

/

YES, ELEVENTY!!11! I think I’m gonna go watch videos or something ‘cause it’s stressing me out. O_o

176 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 4:37:58pm

re: #172 Destro

I called for full on attack on these right wing crazies and I was attacked for that.

Your life is really hard, man.

177 Skip Intro  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 4:38:15pm

re: #173 AlexRogan

And if they don’t report it, it’s because they fear the RW noise machine calling them biased liebrals.

The fucking media in this country needs to grow a fucking backbone.

Since they won’t report that the Ryan GOP budget plan calls for giving billionaires a 35% tax cut, I doubt they’ll report any of the real happenings at CPAC.

178 Gus  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 4:39:12pm

re: #175 CuriousLurker

YES, ELEVENTY!!11! I think I’m gonna go watch videos or something ‘cause it’s stressing me out. O_o

William must be suffering from the same symptoms because his ding finger appears to have twitched.

179 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 4:39:34pm

re: #172 Destro

I called for full on attack on these right wing crazies and I was attacked for that.

In my book, there needs to be a full-on exposure of what many elements of the conservative movement represent.

Revanchist, neo-Confederate, separatist, theocrats and authoritarian power-worshippers who have not one jot of interest in anything but seizing and maintaining power and imposing their beliefs and views (social, cultural and economic) on everyone regardless of the fact that their views are utterly unrepresentative of what the United States stands for.

180 freetoken  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 4:39:48pm

Over at the shoe-shining article, at least one commenter haz clue:

Angus Johnston • 9 minutes ago −
Wait, I’m confused … I thought you guys fired Derb last year.

181 CuriousLurker  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 4:40:39pm

re: #178 Gus

William must be suffering from the same symptoms because his ding finger appears to have twitched.

William who? I can’t see any dings… Oh, wait…. does the other spy mode work? Lemme see..

182 Gus  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 4:42:19pm

re: #181 CuriousLurker

William who? I can’t see any dings… Oh, wait…. does the other spy mode work? Lemme see..

He fixed it. :D

183 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 4:42:39pm

Sorry, was testing the latest jQuery. It’s back now.

184 Gus  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 4:42:40pm

re: #181 CuriousLurker

William who? I can’t see any dings… Oh, wait…. does the other spy mode work? Lemme see..

wlewisiii

185 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 4:42:47pm

re: #178 Gus

William must be suffering from the same symptoms because his ding finger appears to have twitched.

I was carrying my laptop with an external mouse attached. I think the click was when it bounced off my knee… Oops!

186 CuriousLurker  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 4:43:11pm

re: #181 CuriousLurker

William who? I can’t see any dings… Oh, wait…. does the other spy mode work? Lemme see..

Nope, that doesn’t work either.

Arrrgh—I’m blind! CHARRRRRLES….. *sobs, throws self on floor*

187 CuriousLurker  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 4:44:56pm

re: #183 Charles Johnson

Sorry, was testing the latest jQuery. It’s back now.

*gets up off floor, wipes eyes, checks to see if spy is working…*

Phew! Okay.

188 CuriousLurker  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 4:45:33pm

re: #185 William Barnett-Lewis

I was carrying my laptop with an external mouse attached. I think the click was when it bounced off my knee… Oops!

Uh-huh, suuuuuure. //

189 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 4:45:47pm

re: #183 Charles Johnson

Sorry, was testing the latest jQuery. It’s back now.

Geez, I thought it was just me. I’ve had no internet for 9 hours, then it comes back BUT NO SPY! What good is the internet without the Master Spy???!?!

190 CuriousLurker  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 4:46:57pm

re: #189 wrenchwench

Geez, I thought it was just me. I’ve had no internet for 9 hours, then it comes back BUT NO SPY! What good is the internet without the Master Spy???!?!

THIS!

191 AlexRogan  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 4:48:20pm

re: #172 Destro

I called for full on attack on these right wing crazies and I was attacked for that.

Funny that you say this, since you have a hard-on for Milosevic, Karadzic, and their crew, among other things.

From that point forward, it doesn’t matter what you say about anything, because it all gets filtered through the lens of that little convo a bunch of us had with you in that particular thread.

Get bent.

192 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 4:49:16pm

re: #190 CuriousLurker

THIS!

Great Page, BTW. I saw it before it was promoted this morning, just before the Internet forsook me.

193 Skip Intro  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 4:49:21pm

Audience for panel on outreach to women and minorities

Image: BFa_hrKCYAIZ2f4.jpg_large.jpeg

194 BongCrodny  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 4:49:42pm

re: #123 freetoken

And yes… just a few minutes ago NRO runs with a piece extolling the virtues of…. shoe shining:

Putting the Shine on CPAC

One of the first comments to that story:

What an inspiring, not-at-all-condescending portrait of a humble and hardworking African-American gentleman! If only more of his community would decide to be dignified Shoe-Shine Entrepreneurs, instead of lounging around listening to “the hip hop” all the time and being president! Our streets would be safer, our shoes would be shinier, and we’d have taken a giant step back towards being the Traditional America we’re supposed to be!

No sir, nothing racist about that at all!

195 b_sharp  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 4:50:22pm

re: #190 CuriousLurker

THIS!

You cry babies.

Tough it out like a man.

I never use the spy, I just grit my teeth and take it.

196 engineer cat  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 4:50:47pm

outreach to women

i usually just get slapped

197 Decatur Deb  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 4:51:02pm

On-topic for minority outreach: Wonkette commenter is bemoaning the dearth of furries at this year’s CPAC.

198 b_sharp  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 4:51:32pm

re: #196 engineer cat

outreach to women

i usually just get slapped

I always get slapped. I must be doing it wrong.

199 majii  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 4:51:47pm

The black republicans at CPAC are consciously refusing to admit what they’ve been witnessing since Obama was elected—the GOP has become a place wherein racists, bigots, misogynists, xenophobes, and other disreputable miscreants can gather, air their opinions, gain national recognition and make money doing it. I’m black, 60 years old, I’ve lived in the South all of my life, and this guy K. Karl Smith, a black conservative, is telling the republicans that they can answer accusations of racism by calling themselves “Frederick Douglass Republicans?” He must really want to continue being a member of the Republican Party because it seems as if he’s willing to provide them with a BS tactic to deal with racism instead of being courageous enough to tell them that yes, they tolerant racism, and that they need to kick tools like Terry out of the party. I’ve never seen such a display of gutless cowardice coming from a black person in my life. This guy should have known that if some republicans hate President Obama because he’s black, he couldn’t reasonably expect some of them to treat him and the other black republicans at CPAC any better.

200 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 4:51:57pm

re: #193 Skip Intro

Audience for panel on outreach to women and minorities

Image: BFa_hrKCYAIZ2f4.jpg_large.jpeg

Is that woman drying her nails, or getting poised to do some Outreach?

201 AlexRogan  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 4:52:09pm

re: #198 b_sharp

I always get slapped. I must be doing it wrong.

U R DOING IT RONG…

202 Skip Intro  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 4:52:29pm

re: #194 BongCrodny

That guy looks disturbingly like “Gus” from Breaking Bad. I wonder what he’s slipping into the old geezer’s sock?

203 Decatur Deb  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 4:52:34pm

re: #194 BongCrodny

One of the first comments to that story:

No sir, nothing racist about that at all!

Something I might have written, but I’m stuck in Snark Default mode.

204 CuriousLurker  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 4:52:36pm

re: #192 wrenchwench

Great Page, BTW. I saw it before it was promoted this morning, just before the Internet forsook me.

Thanks. Yeah, I saw your up-ding.in the spy because thankfully NO ONE WITH THE INITIALS CJ was tinkering with it trying to ruin my life then. //

205 Amory Blaine  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 4:53:16pm

Greetings gang. Went to the gastroenterologist today at the advice of my new physician and the dude said he don’t even want to scope me. Big relief.

206 Skip Intro  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 4:53:22pm

re: #200 wrenchwench

Is that woman drying her nails, or getting poised to do some Outreach?

I don’t know, but I think the guy next to her is feeling his bald spot.

207 Amory Blaine  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 4:55:15pm

CPAC is lookin’ kinda dead this year yes?

208 Decatur Deb  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 4:55:22pm

Is C-SPAN going to cover CPAC After Dark?

209 CuriousLurker  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 4:55:38pm

re: #195 b_sharp

You cry babies.

Tough it out like a man.

I never use the spy, I just grit my teeth and take it.

It isn’t LGF without the spy.

210 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 4:55:55pm

re: #199 majii

that they need to kick tools like Terry out of the party

Hey, now, tools are useful implements….

Other than that, nice rant.

211 Skip Intro  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 4:56:06pm

re: #207 Amory Blaine

CPAC is lookin’ kinda dead this year yes?

All the action is taking place in the Bingo hall.

212 Amory Blaine  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 4:56:30pm

re: #211 Skip Intro

All the action is taking place in the Bingo hall.

Trolls and ink blotters…

213 BongCrodny  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 4:57:12pm

re: #203 Decatur Deb

Something I might have written, but I’m stuck in Snark Default mode.

I actually wasn’t sure whether it was snark or not, but I’ve heard that sentiment — “the world would be better off if certain peoples just knew their role” — any number of times, so I figured it fit the bill.

In any event, it’s not like NR has never been accused of racism.

214 Skip Intro  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 4:57:57pm

re: #205 Amory Blaine

Greetings gang. Went to the gastroenterologist today at the advice of my new physician and the dude said he don’t even want to scope me. Big relief.

Any day you can walk out of a specialist’s office without a boatload of tests scheduled is a great day. Take the weekend off and relax.

215 b_sharp  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 4:59:49pm

re: #209 CuriousLurker

It isn’t LGF without the spy.

What is it then? Hmmm?

216 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 5:01:06pm

re: #215 b_sharp

What is it then? Hmmm?

It isn’t even the internet without the Spy. It’s just … electrons … .

217 Skip Intro  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 5:01:40pm

CPAC attendees respond to Rob Portman’s announcement regarding gay marriage. Includes man wearing funny clothes.

218 b_sharp  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 5:01:53pm

re: #216 wrenchwench

It isn’t even the internet without the Spy. It’s just … electrons … .

You do realize we’ve been spoiled rotten.

219 CuriousLurker  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 5:02:25pm

re: #215 b_sharp

What is it then? Hmmm?

I don’t know, but now that the Spy is back, thus properly realigning the Earth with its axis, I guess I can go have some dinner.

Talk to you guys later. ;)

220 engineer cat  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 5:03:42pm

re: #208 Decatur Deb

Is C-SPAN going to cover CPAC After Dark?

when is CPAC - Wet ‘n’ Wild?

221 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 5:04:38pm

re: #218 b_sharp

You do realize we’ve been spoiled rotten.

Nothing like being cut off for 9 waking hours to bring that home.

222 Decatur Deb  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 5:06:56pm

re: #220 engineer cat

when is CPAC - Wet ‘n’ Wild?

I think the Francis guy is out of jail—he can handle it.

223 Gus  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 5:09:51pm


224 freetoken  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 5:10:30pm

re: #199 majii

The black republicans at CPAC are consciously refusing to admit what they’ve been witnessing since Obama was elected—the GOP has become a place wherein racists, bigots, misogynists, xenophobes, and other disreputable miscreants can gather, air their opinions, gain national recognition and make money doing it.

Pretty much every one of them is a hyper-religious theocrat - either of the dominionist white-Presbyterian kind (e.g., North followers) or tongue-talking vision-seeing Pentacostals. Fundamentalists all of them.

To them “racism” is a distraction from the real enemy - Satan, and his servant B. Obama.

225 EPR-radar  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 5:11:49pm

re: #223 Gus

It’s like watching shit crystallize.

226 makeitstop  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 5:13:07pm

re: #207 Amory Blaine

CPAC is lookin’ kinda dead this year yes?

Every seminar I’ve seen has been mostly a sea of empty chairs.

227 EPR-radar  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 5:13:22pm

re: #224 freetoken

Pretty much every one of them is a hyper-religious theocrat - either of the dominionist white-Presbyterian kind (e.g., North followers) or tongue-talking vision-seeing Pentacostals. Fundamentalists all of them.

To them “racism” is a distraction from the real enemy - Satan, and his servant B. Obama.

Makes sense. Religious obsession is about the only thing that could plausibly blind black people to the overwhelming racism of movement conservatism.

228 freetoken  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 5:15:06pm

And yes, K Carl Smith is one such fundamentalist:

Friends, don’t you remain in the dark any longer. You must not carry on as some (Samuel Jackson, Puff Daddy, Rev. Joseph Lowery, and Steve Harvey) have suggested you do—vote for President Obama because of his skin color. Why are you a follower of Jesus Christ? Is it because Christ had feet that resembled burnt bronze (Revelation 1:9-17)? Of course not!

The skin color of Jesus Christ isn’t the reason why you’re a Christian. Jesus was perfect and cannot sin. Yet, His Word is examined with concern even to the smallest detail. As with all of us, President Obama is of a sinful nature and far too many blacks give him a “color pass”. They never question President Obama’s policies and vote for him because he is the first black president. Our firmly held beliefs, not our allegiance to a political party or skin color, should determine how we vote. The way in which we vote ought to be the leading indicator of the values we possess. This isn’t about President Obama losing black votes. On the contrary, it’s about giving God the glory through your vote.

229 Gus  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 5:15:17pm

re: #225 EPR-radar

It’s like watching shit crystallize.

He also writes for some outfit called American Vision.

His profile.

About

230 freetoken  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 5:15:37pm

Once you haz Je$u$, racism no longer is a problem.

231 Gus  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 5:16:49pm

re: #230 freetoken

Once you haz Je$u$, racism no longer is a problem.

I know. And then he links to his hate blog from American Vision. Seriously?

232 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 5:18:19pm
233 Gus  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 5:19:04pm

re: #232 Charles Johnson

You going to use any of that stuff I found?

234 freetoken  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 5:19:51pm

re: #231 Gus

Yup, Gary Demar, well known anti-knowlege theocrat, on whose blog you can read this latest screed against evolution:

Our Genes are Like ‘Ruthless Chicago Gangsters’

235 freetoken  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 5:20:30pm

I’m still going with the NRO pro-shoe-shining article as the “Derp of the Day” candidate.

236 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 5:20:32pm

re: #233 Gus

You going to use any of that stuff I found?

I was out for a little while, but I’ll have a look now. Since you’ve already got it together, what about doing a Page?

237 Decatur Deb  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 5:21:33pm

re: #232 Charles Johnson

Freep has no CPAC articles on its front page, a reference to the Donald Trump talk in the sidebar.

238 AlexRogan  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 5:24:36pm

re: #237 Decatur Deb

Freep has no CPAC articles on its front page, a reference to the Donald Trump talk in the sidebar.

JimRob knows his audience well; that and the fact that CPAC invited Romney (whom he was virulent opposed to last year and handed out beaucoup bans to Freepers who even dared to make pro-Romney posts, IIRC) may be a reason for a Freep CPAC blackout.

239 Gus  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 5:25:03pm

re: #236 Charles Johnson

I was out for a little while, but I’ll have a look now. Since you’ve already got it together, what about doing a Page?

Maybe. I’m a little hesitant because of making a possible wrong connection. But the evidence sure looks stunning.

240 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 5:26:09pm

re: #231 Gus

I know. And then he links to his hate blog from American Vision. Seriously?

Ugh. This guy is really a caveman. Looks like he’s a Christian Identity-type weirdo. A “Kinist,” their new word for “fucking racist pig.”

241 Gus  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 5:26:14pm
242 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 5:27:09pm
243 EPR-radar  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 5:29:38pm

re: #240 Charles Johnson

Ugh. This guy is really a caveman. Looks like he’s a Christian Identity-type weirdo. A “Kinist,” their new word for “fucking racist pig.”

From the little of the linked material that I could stomach, ‘kinist’ looks to be a new term for Nazi-type far-right tribalism and race theory.

244 EPR-radar  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 5:32:05pm

re: #238 AlexRogan

JimRob knows his audience well; that and the fact that CPAC invited Romney (whom he was virulent opposed to last year and handed out beaucoup bans to Freepers who even dared to make pro-Romney posts, IIRC) may be another reason.

I assume Freepland made the expected U-turn to support Romney in the general election as the only hope against Obama the communist anti-christ.

It would be nice if they weren’t so predictable all the time…

245 Decatur Deb  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 5:34:46pm

re: #243 EPR-radar

From the little of the linked material that I could stomach, ‘kinist’ looks to be a new term for Nazi-type far-right tribalism and race theory.

Sure it’s not someone who marries his sister?

246 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 5:34:58pm

re: #239 Gus

Maybe. I’m a little hesitant because of making a possible wrong connection. But the evidence sure looks stunning.

It looks pretty convincing to me, with a quick look through.

247 b_sharp  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 5:37:26pm

re: #245 Decatur Deb

Sure it’s not someone who marries his sister?

His sister-daughter?

248 Skip Intro  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 5:38:54pm

re: #229 Gus

He also writes for some outfit called American Vision.

His profile.

About

Well, that explains it. He’s a full metal nutcase, like the rest of them at CPAC.

249 dragonath  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 5:39:18pm

I just got here, but this reminds me a lot of this, last year.

Video: CPAC Racist Rap

250 thedopefishlives  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 5:40:59pm

Evening Lizardim from the soon-to-be-snowbound wild north country. How go things in the war on derp?

251 Decatur Deb  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 5:42:42pm

re: #229 Gus

He also writes for some outfit called American Vision.

His profile.

About

Can’t be the right Scott Terry—that guy is in his twenties.

252 Gus  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 5:43:34pm

re: #251 Decatur Deb

Can’t be the right Scott Terry—that guy is in his twenties.

I know. But it didn’t say his exact age.

Image: Scott-Terry-CPAC-001.jpg

253 Decatur Deb  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 5:44:53pm

re: #252 Gus

If I’m reading correctly, the profile says that guy was trying to be a SEAL for 10 years.

254 EPR-radar  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 5:45:19pm

re: #250 thedopefishlives

Evening Lizardim from the soon-to-be-snowbound wild north country. How go things in the war on derp?

CPAC has proven to the world that irony is dead, where a panel discussion devoted to wingnut whining about being called racist was livened up by contributions from neo-confederate apologists for US slavery.

I’d really like to see something like the preceding paragraph appear in the mainstream media. Aren’t they ever going to do their jobs?

255 makeitstop  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 5:45:30pm

re: #249 dragonath

I just got here, but this reminds me a lot of this, last year.

Video: CPAC Racist Rap

Fucking Crowder. I never put it together that he was one of the morons in that stupid video.

256 Gus  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 5:47:32pm

re: #253 Decatur Deb

If I’m reading correctly, the profile says that guy was trying to be a SEAL for 10 years.

Shipped out to boot camp after high school in 2000. So, maybe what? 17 + 13 = 30.

From that site:

The *egros had overtaken the cafeteria, forcing us white boys to scrounge for an alternative haunt lest we become victims of their jeers and bullying. So, we congregated on the bricked wheel-chair ramp near the entrance of the high-school and spent our lunch time daydreaming about the future and having meaningless adolescent debates.

My friend Josh was adamant about joining the Army and going out for Special Forces, perhaps the Airborne Rangers. George (who was never one to be outdone) opted for the Green Beret and I, being the eccentric one of the bunch, proudly declared my desire to be a Navy SEAL.

It wasn’t long before we met our respective recruiters and went our separate ways.

I shipped out to boot camp in Great Lakes, December of 2000 armed only with a loose-knit evangelical faith, neo-conservative convictions and the desire to be a hero. It was brutally cold and late at night when we were all ushhered off the bus. Men were screaming at me and I had no idea why. Orders were shouted, young men were everywhere and it was generally chaotic.

257 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 5:47:40pm

OT, but wanted an opinion on this. I had to go pay my water bill today at the County office (they charge you a $3.50 fee to pay online). So anyway I paid in cash and for whatever reason, the female clerk jokingly withheld my change from me when she gave me the receipt. After she gave me just the receipt and no money, I looked at her and said very seriously: “And my change?”

Her response: “I was expecting a smile! It was a joke.” Then she gave me my money.

To me that was kind of a dumb thing for her to do.

258 Gus  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 5:48:17pm

Image: Scott-Terry-CPAC-001.jpg

Looks 30-31 to me.

259 Decatur Deb  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 5:48:27pm

re: #254 EPR-radar

CPAC has proven to the world that irony is dead, where a panel discussion devoted to wingnut whining about being called racist was livened up by contributions from neo-confederate apologists for US slavery.

I’d really like to see something like the preceding paragraph appear in the mainstream media. Aren’t they ever going to do their jobs?

Wonkette, Gawker, New Republic, and Atlantic Wire have it up—it will get legs.

260 Skip Intro  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 5:48:28pm
Do you want to know how to trump the race card and talk to your family members without fear of being called a racist? he asked. Tell them you are a “Frederick Douglass Republican.”

It is that simple. Also, he has two books available that you should buy. Let him explain.

Frederick Douglass is the key to appealing to “blacks, Latinos, women, young people.” How?

He offers the “answer to the diversity inclusion problem, a way to defeat vile and malicious attacks of the left’s propaganda machine. They call us a racist, we back up…. They want to humiliate us. They want to intimidate us.”

(At this point a man comes in dressed as a revolutionary soldier carrying a giant yellow “Don’t Tread on Me” flag.)

“The word conservative,” Smith explains, “the word ‘Republican,’ the word ‘U.S. Constitution,’ those words have a negative connotation in this country. We’re losing the propaganda battle. You might as well call yourself a racist. Say ‘Frederick Douglass Republican.’ It piques interest. Those who frame the debate win the debate.”

He explains that Douglass was “born below poverty. When you’re born into poverty at least you own your own body.”

Douglass, Smith notes, never slept in a bed until the age of 10. He escaped from slavery at the age of 20. What does that mean?

“Slavemaster-run health care,” Smith says. “Slavemaster entitlements. Douglass was a 47 percenter. Slavemasters were Democrats.”

I am not making any of this up.

“Douglass,” he goes on to note, “was a capitalist.”

“AMEN,” says the revolutionary soldier.

The high school students (liberal, visiting from New York City) cannot believe what they have just witnessed.

“I don’t understand how aligning yourself with a black person who lived a really long time ago makes you not a racist,” Katie Hirsch, the high school student next to me, says.

“Even aligning yourself with a black person today doesn’t make you not a racist,” her friend Alexandra Barlowe adds. “Can we just talk about how the man just stood up over there and literally asked for segregation?

“The fact that there is a session like this shows how ignorant the Republican Party is in so many ways. The fact that they’re on the defensive about this.”

“We’re from New York City,” Hirsch says. “We don’t really deal with people like this.”

“Essentially what it is is allowing people to justify their racism by saying they’re a Frederick Douglass Republican,” Barlowe notes.

Link

261 Gus  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 5:48:50pm
262 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 5:49:22pm

re: #260 Skip Intro

I agree, age can sometimes be tough to nail down. I’m 31 but I look more like mid-20s. Some of my friends my age look closer to 40, others closer to 20.

Earlier today I saw a 28 year old woman who could have easily passed for 19.

263 Gus  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 5:49:27pm

Straight from high school and into the Navy in 2000. How old would he be?

264 Decatur Deb  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 5:50:12pm

re: #256 Gus

Maybe more, 17 is kinda young for intake.

265 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 5:50:55pm

re: #264 Decatur Deb

Maybe more, 17 is kinda young for intake.

I’m thinking 18 (born 1982 most likely).

266 thedopefishlives  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 5:51:35pm

re: #260 Skip Intro

Link

What in the HECK is wrong with these people.

267 Gus  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 5:51:37pm

re: #264 Decatur Deb

Maybe more, 17 is kinda young for intake.

If he was 18 and it’s not his birthday yet. Whatever it is it’s right there within range.

268 EPR-radar  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 5:53:08pm

re: #259 Decatur Deb

Wonkette, Gawker, New Republic, and Atlantic Wire have it up—it will get legs.

It will probably be watered down extensively by the time it hits mainstream outlets. I’d like to see ‘neo-confederate’ and ‘slavery apologist’ in straight reporting in the New York Times.

269 Decatur Deb  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 5:53:14pm

re: #267 Gus

If he was 18 and it’s not his birthday yet. Whatever it is it’s right there within range.

Yeah. Just don’t want blowback.

270 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 5:57:12pm
271 Decatur Deb  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 5:59:39pm

re: #270 Charles Johnson

Poke the hive at #TGDN—they can’t resist.

272 thedopefishlives  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 6:00:23pm

re: #271 Decatur Deb

Poke the hive at #TGDN—they can’t resist.

I haven’t heard much from them lately, probably because poor Alouette was about to lose her sanity diving in there every day. I presume they’re still derping up a Category V derpstorm, though.

273 Gus  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 6:00:51pm

re: #269 Decatur Deb

Yeah. Just don’t want blowback.

I think he already did that for himself.

274 Decatur Deb  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 6:02:16pm

re: #273 Gus

I think he already did that for himself.

Screw him—don’t want LGF caught with the wrong Kluxer.

275 dragonath  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 6:02:27pm

Behold: the NRO’s tribute to the resident shoe shiner. Yeah.

276 Gus  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 6:04:32pm

re: #274 Decatur Deb

Screw him—don’t want LGF caught with the wrong Kluxer.

I’m not doing anything. Still checking. Frankly don’t care anymore about these guys. He’s pretty low on the totem pole anyway. TPM already has this info.

278 Gus  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 6:06:28pm

[Whistles.]

279 Decatur Deb  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 6:06:48pm

re: #276 Gus

I’m not doing anything. Still checking. Frankly don’t care anymore about these guys. He’s pretty low on the totem pole anyway. TPM already has this info.

Nah—gopher it if you’re sure. Or be ready to keep a light on it if it falls off the table.

280 dragonath  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 6:12:30pm

re: #277 Gus

I’m a 30 year old ex-Naval Photographer, currently living in N.C.

What a bunch of closed-minded freaks. And I’m even going to touch that “White Christ” blog. I’m sure Drudge and AmRen enjoy the referrals, though.

281 Skip Intro  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 6:13:22pm

re: #277 Gus

I’m a 30 year old ex-Naval Photographer, currently living in N.C.

He’s got some great followers.

I found you by following a link from confederatecolonel.com and am going to add a link to your sight from my own blog, ConfederateDigest.com. If you decide to link me to Shotgun Barrell Straight it would be appreciated

282 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 6:17:34pm
Kinism is the belief that the God-ordained social order for mankind is “tribal and ethnic,” and focuses on man’s duty to “love one’s own kind”. Kinists advocate the idea that extended families should live together in large groups. They believe the ideal and normative social order for families – and by extension communities, states and nations – is one defined by race and blood, not propositions or borders, and that this natural order forms the proper and lasting bonds of affection and loyalty for any legitimate society. It is considered an offshoot of Christian Reconstructionism that originated among anti-immigration traditionalists in the Southern United States.

Note: this would explain why Rushdoony gets mentioned on shotgunbarrellstraight. It’s white seperatism plus Dominionism.

283 thedopefishlives  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 6:18:26pm

re: #282 The Ghost of a Flea

Note: this would explain why Rushdoony gets mentioned on shotgunbarrellstraight. It’s white seperatism plus Dominionism.

So in other words, God made white people to rule the world? Ugh. I can’t stand the fact that these people claim to share my religious identity.

284 allegro  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 6:18:47pm

re: #282 The Ghost of a Flea

Note: this would explain why Rushdoony gets mentioned on shotgunbarrellstraight. It’s white seperatism plus Dominionism.

Can you say “in-bree-ding”?

285 dragonath  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 6:19:13pm

“Kinist” sounds like a toilet paper brand.

286 jaunte  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 6:19:17pm

Kinheads. It even sounds Southern.

287 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 6:23:37pm

re: #283 thedopefishlives

So in other words, God made white people to rule the world? Ugh. I can’t stand the fact that these people claim to share my religious identity.

Taken at it word, the idea is everybody living in separate ethnic enclaves, all operating under the same Christian nationalist governance and value system.

Given that advocates include a fistful of neo-Confederate racists, yeah, pretty much “white people rule the world.”

288 thedopefishlives  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 6:25:26pm

re: #287 The Ghost of a Flea

Taken at it word, the idea is everybody living in separate ethnic enclaves, all operating under the same Christian nationalist governance and value system.

Given that advocates include a fistful of neo-Confederate racists, yeah, pretty much “white people rule the world.”

That’s so retarded, I think it broke my brain.

289 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 6:36:14pm

re: #282 The Ghost of a Flea

Note: this would explain why Rushdoony gets mentioned on shotgunbarrellstraight. It’s white seperatism plus Dominionism.

Where have I heard that one before?

Oh yeah, Blüt und Boden.

290 EPR-radar  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 6:39:35pm

re: #289 Dr Lizardo

Where have I heard that one before?

Oh yeah, Blüt und Boden.

Yes indeed. Funny how a change of vocabulary can’t get the Naziism out of one’s ideology.

291 BongCrodny  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 6:54:09pm

re: #286 jaunte

Kinheads. It even sounds Southern.

Take the Kinheads bowling, take them bowling.

292 BongCrodny  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 6:56:03pm

re: #277 Gus

I’m a 30 year old ex-Naval Photographer, currently living in N.C.

That’s a hell of a reading list he’s got there.

293 EPR-radar  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 7:03:25pm

re: #260 Skip Intro

Smith’s use of Frederick Douglass as a magical talisman to deflect charges of racism from innocent wing nuts might be the real story here.

A Nazi in the audience vs. CPAC institutional support for the efforts of Smith et al. Tough call.

294 jamesfirecat  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 7:04:17pm

re: #234 freetoken

Yup, Gary Demar, well known anti-knowlege theocrat, on whose blog you can read this latest screed against evolution:

Our Genes are Like ‘Ruthless Chicago Gangsters’

Are you sure that is not Sophia Lamb from Bioshock 2?

295 Tigger2005  Fri, Mar 15, 2013 9:37:07pm

re: #282 The Ghost of a Flea

Note: this would explain why Rushdoony gets mentioned on shotgunbarrellstraight. It’s white seperatism plus Dominionism.

It’s just more Nazi race and blood bullshit.


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