Possibly the crassest moment yet from the wingnut half-governor who was almost the Vice President of the US, but couldn’t keep a Fox News gig. And that’s really sayin’ something.
(h/t: Right Wing Watch.)
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Sat, Mar 16, 2013 6:35:17pm |
I think Biden should respond with a barrage of dick double-ententes. Coming to the press conference eating a hotdog would be the start. Halfway through he starts smoking a pipe.
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JRCMYP Sat, Mar 16, 2013 6:36:44pm |
I’m sorry. I know this is super stupid. But I just want to punch her in the back of her overly hair sprayed head.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Sat, Mar 16, 2013 6:37:44pm |
re: #3 JRCMYP
I’m sorry. I know this is super stupid. But I just want to punch her in the back of her overly hair sprayed head.
Dude, come the fuck on.
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Charles Johnson Sat, Mar 16, 2013 6:37:46pm |
The huge hair is a very obvious wig, by the way.
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dragonath Sat, Mar 16, 2013 6:39:38pm |
At least we know what conservatives are going to do now that CPAC has ended.
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Tigger2 Sat, Mar 16, 2013 6:41:40pm |
re: #5 Charles Johnson
The huge hair is a very obvious wig, by the way.
I think you’re right, I believe some of the glue that holds it on has seeped into her already to tiny brain.
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Stanley Sea Sat, Mar 16, 2013 6:41:48pm |
re: #4 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut
Dude, come the fuck on.
Sorry, I updinged it. She is a disgrace to women. She and her Kardashian cousins are teaching a group of young women the wrong path to success.
Every time I see this embarrassment I cringe and react.
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Shvaughn Sat, Mar 16, 2013 6:43:00pm |
re: #9 Stanley Sea
Sorry, I updinged it. She is a disgrace to women.
Fantasizing about wanting to physically assault her is not cool at all. That’s a disgrace to men and women.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Sat, Mar 16, 2013 6:43:22pm |
re: #9 Stanley Sea
People have the right to be disgraces all over the place without being punched in the back of the head.
Anyway, nothing is decided by head-punching. If we decide things by head punching, then say hello to president Mike Tyson.
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Sat, Mar 16, 2013 6:43:30pm |
And the cheering was for what exactly? Her shutting up for a few precious moments?
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Sat, Mar 16, 2013 6:43:57pm |
Oh Bryan, you wonderfully pathetic fool.
This business about a “more inclusive” GOP is stupid. GOP has plenty of room for everyone who shares their core values.— Bryan Fischer (@BryanJFischer) March 16, 2013
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The Ghost of a Flea Sat, Mar 16, 2013 6:44:18pm |
So apparently right-wing punditry is what you do when you can’t make it as a regular comedian.
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Shvaughn Sat, Mar 16, 2013 6:44:33pm |
re: #12 Kragar (Antichrist )
And the cheering was for what exactly? Her shutting up for a few precious moments?
Republicans don’t really understand humor very well. I don’t think they have figured out how to deal with it, and they think something is funny cuz snicker snicker boobs.
The other type of humor they like is anything that calls a liberal a poopyhead.
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Sat, Mar 16, 2013 6:45:23pm |
re: #15 Shvaughn
Republicans don’t really understand humor very well. I don’t think they have figured out how to deal with it, and they think something is funny cuz snicker snicker boobs.
The other type of humor they like is anything that calls a liberal a poopyhead.
Heehee, you said poopy!
/
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Tigger2 Sat, Mar 16, 2013 6:46:12pm |
re: #13 Kragar (Antichrist )
Oh Bryan, you wonderfully pathetic fool.
That’s true it is big enough for that because the majority of Americans don’t believe in those core values. thank god.
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Stanley Sea Sat, Mar 16, 2013 6:46:30pm |
re: #10 Shvaughn
Fantasizing about wanting to physically assault her is not cool at all. That’s a disgrace to men and women.
Geeze. Just the Internet. Not real life.
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Shvaughn Sat, Mar 16, 2013 6:48:58pm |
re: #18 Stanley Sea
Geeze. Just the Internet. Not real life.
Right, so if Breitbart had a commenter saying something like “man, I want to hang that Kenyan up from a tree and swing a bat at him like a pinata” that would be Just The Internet and we sure wouldn’t condemn them.
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Charles Johnson Sat, Mar 16, 2013 6:49:39pm |
re: #12 Kragar (Antichrist )
And the cheering was for what exactly? Her shutting up for a few precious moments?
They were cheering for her boobs.
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Shvaughn Sat, Mar 16, 2013 6:50:34pm |
re: #20 Charles Johnson
They were cheering for her boobs.
I wonder if the “drinking from a big gulp” was supposed to mean something in particular.
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Stanley Sea Sat, Mar 16, 2013 6:50:35pm |
re: #19 Shvaughn
Right, so if Breitbart had a commenter saying something like “man, I want to hang that Kenyan up from a tree and swing a bat at him like a pinata” that would be Just The Internet and we sure wouldn’t condemn them.
Punch in the back of the wig = lynching.
Sorry for being so outrageous.
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Gus Sat, Mar 16, 2013 6:50:43pm |
Dear God this is one of the dumbest things I’ve seen all day. OK, maybe not. Check it out.
Different Faces, Different Races
Webpage. Scott Terry writes for these freaks.
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Shvaughn Sat, Mar 16, 2013 6:50:57pm |
re: #22 Stanley Sea
Punch in the back of the wig = lynching.
Sorry for being so outrageous.
Hey, it’s all just the Internet, right? //
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The Ghost of a Flea Sat, Mar 16, 2013 6:51:03pm |
re: #21 Shvaughn
I wonder if the “drinking from a big gulp” was supposed to mean something in particular.
Large soda ban in NYC.
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Shvaughn Sat, Mar 16, 2013 6:52:21pm |
re: #25 The Ghost of a Flea
Large soda ban in NYC.
Ah! Right, I had totally forgotten about that for some reason.
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BongCrodny Sat, Mar 16, 2013 6:52:30pm |
I’m guessing the 2016 Republican Presidential debates won’t even have the candidates talking — they’ll just drink various beverages to raucous applause.
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dragonath Sat, Mar 16, 2013 6:53:12pm |
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Gus Sat, Mar 16, 2013 6:54:33pm |
Filed under science.
A Proposed Biblical Model for Racial Origins
July 18, 2012 Africans, Amerindians/Mestizos, Asians, Christianity, Demographics, Europeans, Genetics, History, Race, ScienceKinists assert the existence of the races as an act of Providence, rejecting naturalistic-evolutionary origins of humanity, but to my knowledge propose no mechanism for how this occurred other than appeals to Babel and other
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Sat, Mar 16, 2013 6:55:29pm |
re: #21 Shvaughn
I wonder if the “drinking from a big gulp” was supposed to mean something in particular.
She’s high as hell.
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dragonath Sat, Mar 16, 2013 6:57:12pm |
THE SWISS RACE
Not to be confused with the Tour De France
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JRCMYP Sat, Mar 16, 2013 6:57:27pm |
re: #3 JRCMYP
I’m sorry. I know this is super stupid. But I just want to punch her in the back of her overly hair sprayed head.
Yikes. I’ve never been down-dinged. And I’m not a dude. I’m a 45 year old woman. And a feminist. She pisses me off. Sorry for the pseudo-violence but, man, she just sets me off.
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Stanley Sea Sat, Mar 16, 2013 6:58:00pm |
re: #35 JRCMYP
Yikes. I’ve never been down-dinged. And I’m not a dude. I’m a 45 year old woman. And a feminist. She pisses me off. Sorry for the pseudo-violence but, man, she just sets me off.
Concur. It’s radical.
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JRCMYP Sat, Mar 16, 2013 6:59:18pm |
re: #9 Stanley Sea
Sorry, I updinged it. She is a disgrace to women. She and her Kardashian cousins are teaching a group of young women the wrong path to success.
Every time I see this embarrassment I cringe and react.
Thanks Stanley. I don’t think anyone should *actually* punch her, but it just kills me to hear her speak and not understand that she stands on the shoulders of the feminists that made it *possible* for her to be a governor. For good or for ill. :(
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b_sharp Sat, Mar 16, 2013 6:59:58pm |
re: #35 JRCMYP
Yikes. I’ve never been down-dinged. And I’m not a dude. I’m a 45 year old woman. And a feminist. She pisses me off. Sorry for the pseudo-violence but, man, she just sets me off.
Don’t worry, being down-dinged doesn’t leave any scars.
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Gus Sat, Mar 16, 2013 7:01:31pm |
re: #29 dragonath
The French, nothing! The Welsh Race! Cymru forever!
M Cinense • a year ago
it was hard for me to differentiate the faces of filipina ,vietnamese, cambodian, thai, and malaysian. but the faetures of filipina here very well differentiated. and we all know that half of filipino population looks like mexican becuase both countries were once conquered by spaniards.. but this pictures are great. i think it’s backed by research and pictures are chosen very carefully and made painstakingly.
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JRCMYP Sat, Mar 16, 2013 7:02:30pm |
re: #10 Shvaughn
Fantasizing about wanting to physically assault her is not cool at all. That’s a disgrace to men and women.
I don’t fantasize about this. But I do feel an irrational rage. I think alot of feminist women do. At least, the one’s that I’ve spoken with about it.
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Sat, Mar 16, 2013 7:02:47pm |
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dragonath Sat, Mar 16, 2013 7:04:14pm |
By the way, Gus, those composite pictures come from this website:
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jamesfirecat Sat, Mar 16, 2013 7:04:54pm |
re: #2 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut
I think Biden should respond with a barrage of dick double-ententes. Coming to the press conference eating a hotdog would be the start. Halfway through he starts smoking a pipe.
Then Barack can come up and say “Exuse me while I whip this out…” And pull the newest law he intends to sign out of a pocket.
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Stanley Sea Sat, Mar 16, 2013 7:06:15pm |
re: #37 JRCMYP
Thanks Stanley. I don’t think anyone should *actually* punch her, but it just kills me to hear her speak and not understand that she stands on the shoulders of the feminists that made it *possible* for her to be a governor. For good or for ill. :(
I can go on and on and on. In college we fought for equality, I was the only female in a class, they gave me no chance. I still fought. Then the change happened, slinky women got ahead, sexy and nothing more. Sister Sarah took a huge step forward in the fact that an idiot would be given a platform, a VP platform. Why? You tell me. Now she’s more vapid than ever and still making $$. SHAME
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JRCMYP Sat, Mar 16, 2013 7:06:47pm |
re: #38 b_sharp
Don’t worry, being down-dinged doesn’t leave any scars.
It’s all good. And honestly, Palin’s mean-girl routine leaves way more scars, in my opinion.
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The Ghost of a Flea Sat, Mar 16, 2013 7:07:17pm |
re: #23 Gus
Dear God this is one of the dumbest things I’ve seen all day. OK, maybe not. Check it out.
Different Faces, Different Races
Webpage. Scott Terry writes for these freaks.
Wow
Yeah, I have a creeping suspicion someone went to a lot of trouble to find pictures that created that sense of “see the races R different!.”
Because the similarities between the women of each “race” is more than superficial. Same jaw lines, very similar noses and eye spacing. That’s not some kind of racial physiognomy, that’s those women looks very much alike, period.
So they’re computer generated. All of the above is incorrect.
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dragonath Sat, Mar 16, 2013 7:09:59pm |
I know I’m bringing this up from downstairs, but I had no idea Sergey Romanov had such a following. His main site has gone down, but a search brings up literally pages of crazed fascists stalking him. Makes me worry.
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Gus Sat, Mar 16, 2013 7:10:51pm |
Oops. Forgot the text.
Using a computer program to create an average composite of all the faces in a group, someone has created the “average” face of women from forty-one different ethnic groups from around the world. Click here to see the larger version of the picture. It is a quite extraordinary work and really does show that many of the physical racial stereotypes exist for a reason – they’re true. Further, the image clearly shows that there are biological and genetic differences between the different racial groups; they are most certainly not “social constructs,” as the Marxists would have us believe. The differences between the Swiss and the Filipino or the Indian and the African-American faces are very evident. The similarities between faces of the same racial group can also be seen: English and German, Korean and Japanese, and Mexican and Peruvian. It would not be difficult at all to sort these faces into five or six groups (i.e. races) based on their similarities and differences.
Not POE.
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JRCMYP Sat, Mar 16, 2013 7:10:52pm |
re: #45 Stanley Sea
I can go on and on and on. In college we fought for equality, I was the only female in a class, they gave me no chance. I still fought. Then the change happened, slinky women got ahead, sexy and nothing more. Sister Sarah took a huge step forward in the fact that an idiot would be given a platform, a VP platform. Why? You tell me. Now she’s more vapid than ever and still making $$. SHAME
Ah. Yes. I missed what you saw, I suspect. Probably by 10 years?
She’s like Glenn Beck. She has a genius for slicing through and saying the thing that no one would say. When my Republican father said “I think she’s not ready for prime time” I realized that she was done. But her perspective still kills me. I contrast her with someone like Hillary Clinton and I think—can you imagine Hillary making jokes about her boobs?? Sit down and shut up Sarah.
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b_sharp Sat, Mar 16, 2013 7:15:58pm |
re: #48 dragonath
I know I’m bringing this up from downstairs, but I had no idea Sergey Romanov had such a following. His main site has gone down, but a search brings up literally pages of crazed fascists stalking him. Makes me worry.
His main site is down? That doesn’t sound right.
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Gus Sat, Mar 16, 2013 7:16:24pm |
As for the original page. Apparently the face of tomorrow is going to be young, good looking, and clear faced hipsters.
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dragonath Sat, Mar 16, 2013 7:17:06pm |
Some piece of shit put up a fake Google+ page on Sergey. I wonder what the policy of Google is on things like this
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The Ghost of a Flea Sat, Mar 16, 2013 7:17:31pm |
re: #49 Gus
Oops. Forgot the text.
Okay, that explains the similarities. Because there was no way that was an actual sample of real people.
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Gus Sat, Mar 16, 2013 7:21:41pm |
re: #54 dragonath
Some piece of shit put up a fake Google+ page on Sergey. I wonder what the policy of Google is on things like this
[Link: plus.google.com…]
Looks like it was probably from the dummies. Inactive. Looking at one of Sergey’s stalker blog and seeing no comments. Just a few nuts. One of them was sending out email forging Sergey’s headers.
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dragonath Sat, Mar 16, 2013 7:27:34pm |
Kinist Institute, The South Africa Project
That explains a lot
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Vicious Babushka Sat, Mar 16, 2013 7:36:04pm |
Good week, what fun did I miss whilst I was plotting with my fellow Zionist Overlords to cause the destruction of the White Race?
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Gus Sat, Mar 16, 2013 7:38:35pm |
re: #60 Vicious Babushka
Good week, what fun did I miss whilst I was plotting with my fellow Zionist Overlords to cause the destruction of the White Race?
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The Ghost of a Flea Sat, Mar 16, 2013 7:39:14pm |
re: #60 Vicious Babushka
I was plotting with my fellow Zionist Overlords to cause the destruction of the White Race?
You missed some white folks talking about exactly that.
Also, how black folks were totes grateful for slavery.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Mar 16, 2013 7:39:49pm |
re: #60 Vicious Babushka
Good week, what fun did I miss whilst I was plotting with my fellow Zionist Overlords to cause the destruction of the White Race?
Some very Nazi beliefs goose-stepped through CPAC.
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BeenHereAwhile Sat, Mar 16, 2013 7:43:51pm |
re: #14 The Ghost of a Flea
So apparently right-wing punditry is what you do when you can’t make it as a regular comedian.
While watching Terminator 3 with Arnold trying to save mankind, Comcast cut away to an “EAS” showing Sarah Palin’s CPAC speech.
Nothing enabled me to terminate Comcast’s EAS until I rebooted the DVR.
WTF
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Mar 16, 2013 7:46:13pm |
re: #64 BeenHereAwhile
While watching Terminator 3 with Arnold trying to save mankind, Comcast cut away to an “EAS” showing Sarah Palin’s CPAC speech.
Nothing enabled me to terminate Comcast’s EAS until I rebooted the DVR.
WTF
It was Skynet. It knows some humans will survive its inital strike and is using Sarah Palin recordings to stupify as many people as possible before it strikes.
/must I?
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Blue Point Sat, Mar 16, 2013 7:48:21pm |
FLOTUS anyone? One small step for man, one dodged bullet for mankind.
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Shvaughn Sat, Mar 16, 2013 7:48:52pm |
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BeenHereAwhile Sat, Mar 16, 2013 7:51:11pm |
re: #66 Dark_Falcon
“re: #64 BeenHereAwhile
While watching Terminator 3 with Arnold trying to save mankind, Comcast cut away to an “EAS” showing Sarah Palin’s CPAC speech.
Nothing enabled me to terminate Comcast’s EAS until I rebooted the DVR.
WTF”
It was Skynet. It knows some humans will survive its inital strike and is using Sarah Palin recordings to stupify as many people as possible before it strikes.
/must I?
Pls do
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Blue Point Sat, Mar 16, 2013 7:51:27pm |
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Shvaughn Sat, Mar 16, 2013 7:51:53pm |
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kirkspencer Sat, Mar 16, 2013 7:53:05pm |
re: #38 b_sharp
Don’t worry, being down-dinged doesn’t leave any scars.
Says you. {sniff} If you look over there, on that corner of my ego … oh, wait, we need to go to the next room, now, {sniff} right there, that white blotch, ok, dot, … ok, micro smudge, that’s the scar from my first downding. Really.
What? cleanser? Dirt? How dare you. My ego and I demand you leave our rooms. {sniff}
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Blue Point Sat, Mar 16, 2013 7:53:05pm |
re: #74 Shvaughn
Crap. Acronyms. How do they work? Happy Saint Paddy’s Day!
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Sat, Mar 16, 2013 7:54:03pm |
re: #76 Blue Point
Crap. Acronyms. How do they work? Happy Saint Paddy’s Day!
Are you having a problem with your TLAs and ETLAs again?
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Charles Johnson Sat, Mar 16, 2013 7:55:17pm |
Excuse me while I deal with left wingers with persistent cases of butthurt on Twitter.
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Blue Point Sat, Mar 16, 2013 7:55:23pm |
re: #77 Kragar (Antichrist )
None whatsoever. I think it’s my lower “E” string.
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Vicious Babushka Sat, Mar 16, 2013 7:55:36pm |
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Mar 16, 2013 7:57:05pm |
re: #78 Charles Johnson
Excuse me while I deal with left wingers with persistent cases of butthurt on Twitter.
To all those on the left who are ticked off at Charles Johnson, let me say this:
WHAT IS YOUR MALFUNCTION??1
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moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, Mar 16, 2013 7:58:20pm |
re: #23 Gus
Dear God this is one of the dumbest things I’ve seen all day. OK, maybe not. Check it out.
Different Faces, Different Races
Webpage. Scott Terry writes for these freaks.
I don’t look like that African American girl at all.
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Shvaughn Sat, Mar 16, 2013 7:58:35pm |
re: #82 Dark_Falcon
To all those on the left who are ticked off at Charles Johnson, let me say this:
WHAT IS YOUR MALFUNCTION??1
I’m sure that’ll help the situation.
//
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Gus Sat, Mar 16, 2013 8:01:19pm |
re: #78 Charles Johnson
Excuse me while I deal with left wingers with persistent cases of butthurt on Twitter.
WTF is that all about?
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Mar 16, 2013 8:04:22pm |
re: #84 Shvaughn
I’m sure that’ll help the situation.
//
I just don’t get it is all. It would seem to me that Charles is who you’d want on your side: mart, well-spoken, and honest to a fault.
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Charles Johnson Sat, Mar 16, 2013 8:04:54pm |
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Gus Sat, Mar 16, 2013 8:05:46pm |
re: #87 Charles Johnson
Egos that suffered damage.
The anti-war faction with an axe to grind. Apparently you’re not cool enough for them like Glenn Greenwald.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Mar 16, 2013 8:08:09pm |
re: #88 Gus
The anti-war faction with an axe to grind. Apparently you’re not cool enough for them like Glenn Greenwald.
However much they may protest and moralize, at the end of the day sane people understand that some of our country’s enemies simply need killing. But some peaceniks won’t learn that lesson, because they’re minds are too bound up in ideology.
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Gus Sat, Mar 16, 2013 8:10:57pm |
re: #90 Dark_Falcon
However much they may protest and moralize, at the end of the day sane people understand that some of our country’s enemies simply need killing. But some peaceniks won’t learn that lesson, because they’re minds are too bound up in ideology.
Some of these same asses pull this shit to ABL almost daily. Bringing up how she was ONCE A CORPORATE LAWYER!
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allegro Sat, Mar 16, 2013 8:12:30pm |
re: #90 Dark_Falcon
However much they may protest and moralize, at the end of the day sane people understand that some of our country’s enemies simply need killing. But some peaceniks won’t learn that lesson, because they’re minds are too bound up in ideology.
Which enemies are on this list who simply need/needed killing? Like since WWII.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Mar 16, 2013 8:15:13pm |
re: #92 allegro
Which enemies are on this list who simply need/needed killing? Like since WWII.
These days its mostly Islamists, with al Zawahiri heading the list.
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Charles Johnson Sat, Mar 16, 2013 8:15:25pm |
re: #91 Gus
I learned a long time ago not to worry about this crap. All you can do is try to correct the record, and stay true to yourself.
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jamesfirecat Sat, Mar 16, 2013 8:18:22pm |
re: #92 allegro
Which enemies are on this list who simply need/needed killing? Like since WWII.
I was in favor of killing OBL and I am pretty far left.
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engineer cat Sat, Mar 16, 2013 8:18:52pm |
ok now i am having fun
i have finally put up four new products for sale - i have let my customers tell me what they should be - and now i am going back over old emails where they requested them and telling them they are ¡Ya Disponible!
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Gus Sat, Mar 16, 2013 8:20:21pm |
re: #94 Charles Johnson
I learned a long time ago not to worry about this crap. All you can do is try to correct the record, and stay true to yourself.
They remind of religious zealots that tell people they’re going to hell for some alleged sin. As if though must make penance and pray to the smug hipster God at the throne of Glenn Greenwald or face fire and brimstone for your support of the Iraq War.
Markos, Army veteran and registered Republican. Ariana Huffington used to be one of the most obnoxious Republicans I ever saw. Robert Byrd, former KKK leader. Clinton, signing DOMA and DADT…
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allegro Sat, Mar 16, 2013 8:22:08pm |
re: #95 jamesfirecat
I was in favor of killing OBL and I am pretty far left.
Me too. With the topic of “peaceniks”, I was thinking in terms of US wars/acts of aggression, wondering which ones DF thought were righteous and which, if any, were less than well considered.
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Gus Sat, Mar 16, 2013 8:22:37pm |
This Machine Kills Communists - Spirit/Water/Blood
WARNING: Leads to some serious antisemitism imagery.
This is one of Scott Terry’s favorite Kinist sites. A real hard corps one.
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Charles Johnson Sat, Mar 16, 2013 8:24:38pm |
re: #97 Gus
They remind of religious zealots that tell people they’re going to hell for some alleged sin. As if though must make penance and pray to the smug hipster God at the throne of Glenn Greenwald or face fire and brimstone for your support of the Iraq War.
Markos, Army veteran and registered Republican. Ariana Huffington used to be one of the most obnoxious Republicans I ever saw. Robert Byrd, former KKK leader. Clinton, signing DOMA and DADT…
Not to mention David Brock, founder of Media Matters, who was one of the creepiest right wing hatchet men until he woke up.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Mar 16, 2013 8:26:16pm |
re: #99 Gus
This Machine Kills Communists - Spirit/Water/Blood
WARNING: Leads to some serious antisemitism imagery.
This is one of Scott Terry’s favorite Kinist sites. A real hard corps one.
Some extreme Jew-hate there. Practically every piece mentions Israel or Jews in general as villains. Pure filth worthy of Goebbels.
/spits
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dragonath Sat, Mar 16, 2013 8:26:51pm |
re: #99 Gus
This Machine Kills Communists - Spirit/Water/Blood
WARNING: Leads to some serious antisemitism imagery.
This is one of Scott Terry’s favorite Kinist sites. A real hard corps one.
Ooh, liberal fascists!
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Mar 16, 2013 8:27:11pm |
re: #100 Charles Johnson
Not to mention David Brock, founder of Media Matters, who was one of the creepiest right wing hatchet men until he woke up.
He’s still a hatchet man, though he doesn’t tell outright lies any more.
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jamesfirecat Sat, Mar 16, 2013 8:27:35pm |
re: #97 Gus
They remind of religious zealots that tell people they’re going to hell for some alleged sin. As if though must make penance and pray to the smug hipster God at the throne of Glenn Greenwald or face fire and brimstone for your support of the Iraq War.
Markos, Army veteran and registered Republican. Ariana Huffington used to be one of the most obnoxious Republicans I ever saw. Robert Byrd, former KKK leader. Clinton, signing DOMA and DADT…
DADT was a step forward in my view, it beat the old system of expressly ask if someone was homosexual and throw them out if they said yes.
Granted it was very much the three inch instead of the six inch knife in the guts of the LGBT community so it’s up to debate if everyone sees that as a real progress.
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Charles Johnson Sat, Mar 16, 2013 8:28:55pm |
re: #103 Dark_Falcon
He’s still a hatchet man, though he doesn’t tell outright lies any more.
If by “hatchet man” you mean he reports the right wing’s craziness accurately, then yes, I suppose that’s a hatchet man.
As opposed to what he did for the right wing, which was make up lies to smear people.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Mar 16, 2013 8:29:40pm |
re: #104 jamesfirecat
DADT was a step forward in my view, it beat the old system of expressly ask if someone was homosexual and throw them out if they said yes.
Granted it was very much the three inch instead of the six inch knife in the guts of the LGBT community so it’s up to debate if everyone sees that as a real progress.
It was an interim solution, meant for a time when progress had been made but not enough to allow openly gay soldiers.
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Gus Sat, Mar 16, 2013 8:31:08pm |
If you want people to change and when they finally do change you should embrace that and not hold a grudge.
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Gus Sat, Mar 16, 2013 8:32:13pm |
CHARLES JOHNSON HAS BLOOD ON HIS HANDS AS A FORMER ANTI-JIHAD BLOGGER AND IRAQ WAR SUPPORTER. WE CAN NEVER FORGIVE HIM FOR THIS!!11TY
//
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Charles Johnson Sat, Mar 16, 2013 8:32:44pm |
By the way, yeah, I know the comment section at LGF used to be out of control, but there’s no freaking way it was ever as bad as the posts I’ve put up today. Any one of the comments I posted from Hoft’s site or TheBlaze would have led to an immediate banning.
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jamesfirecat Sat, Mar 16, 2013 8:33:11pm |
re: #105 Charles Johnson
If by “hatchet man” you mean he reports the right wing’s craziness accurately, then yes, I suppose that’s a hatchet man.
As opposed to what he did for the right wing, which was make up lies to smear people.
I have been thinking that I would make a proposition to my Republican friends… that if they will stop telling lies about the Democrats, we will stop telling the truth about them.
—Adlai Stevenson
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Mar 16, 2013 8:33:53pm |
re: #109 Charles Johnson
By the way, yeah, I know the comment section at LGF used to be out of control, but there’s no freaking way it was ever as bad as the posts I’ve put up today. Any one of the comments I posted from Hoft’s site or TheBlaze would have led to an immediate banning.
True that.
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Gus Sat, Mar 16, 2013 8:34:21pm |
re: #109 Charles Johnson
By the way, yeah, I know the comment section at LGF used to be out of control, but there’s no freaking way it was ever as bad as the posts I’ve put up today. Any one of the comments I posted from Hoft’s site or TheBlaze would have led to an immediate banning.
I agree. I remember at the tail end of 2008 none of it was that bad. There was never any blanket racism. Sure, the Islam stuff got out of hand. But people would get banned for saying anti-Arab racist shit.
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jamesfirecat Sat, Mar 16, 2013 8:35:08pm |
re: #106 Dark_Falcon
It was an interim solution, meant for a time when progress had been made but not enough to allow openly gay soldiers.
Yeah, the closest mental analogy I can come to would be before we let Blacks in the army there was a time period where we would only let them join if they promised to wear full body radiation suits and not do anything which might let people guess what race they were….
| 114 |
Dark_Falcon Sat, Mar 16, 2013 8:35:31pm |
re: #110 jamesfirecat
I have been thinking that I would make a proposition to my Republican friends… that if they will stop telling lies about the Democrats, we will stop telling the truth about them.
—Adlai Stevenson
Such as that Ike beat him twice, you mean? :)
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BongCrodny Sat, Mar 16, 2013 8:38:00pm |
re: #95 jamesfirecat
I was in favor of killing OBL and I am pretty far left.
I still would rather have seen him tried, convicted, and sentenced to whatever fate the court determined just, isolated from his followers, family and sycophants.
But I’ve got no problems with anyone who feels differently.
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The Ghost of a Flea Sat, Mar 16, 2013 8:39:06pm |
re: #99 Gus
This Machine Kills Communists - Spirit/Water/Blood
WARNING: Leads to some serious antisemitism imagery.
This is one of Scott Terry’s favorite Kinist sites. A real hard corps one.
Apparently he didn’t get the message that Hitler was a liberal and socialist, because he quotes a bunch of Mein Kampf.
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freetoken Sat, Mar 16, 2013 8:39:42pm |
Not a bad headline:
GOP starts casting for ‘16 presidency
The auditions have begun.
Just two months into President Obama’s second term, Republican leaders are lining up to diagnose the GOP’s ills while courting party activists - all with an eye on greater political influence.
[…]
They run the story with an opening pic of Rand Paul, which is reasonable as he appears to be the current fav.
| 120 |
Gus Sat, Mar 16, 2013 8:40:31pm |
Yea D Clinton, Hillary NY
Yea D Schumer, Charles NY
We must destroy them! //
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jamesfirecat Sat, Mar 16, 2013 8:41:00pm |
re: #119 freetoken
Not a bad headline:
GOP starts casting for ‘16 presidency
They run the story with an opening pic of Rand Paul, which is reasonable as he appears to be the current fav.
It’s Rick Santorum’s “turn” for Lolz or derp.
(I would say good or ill but lets be honest there is nothing good about that fact…)
| 126 |
Gus Sat, Mar 16, 2013 8:42:31pm |
But Charles! OMG! He ruined my life for supporting the Iraq War!
//
| 127 |
freetoken Sat, Mar 16, 2013 8:45:00pm |
Math iz hard:
Texas’ Algebra II debate could shape school policy
Call it much ado about Algebra II.
The math class of exponents and imaginary numbers — and a potential predictor of a student’s success in college and in life — has become a key point of contention as the Texas Legislature grapples with overhauling high school graduation requirements statewide.
Several bills before lawmakers would tweak graduation rules to give students more options in career training and vocational skills, thus aiming to help them land well-paying technical jobs that don’t necessarily require college degrees.
But that could mean no longer requiring Algebra II for all students, something opponents say will ultimately produce future Texans who are less prepared for the workforce of the future — not more so.
The most high-profile proposal has come from Houston Republican Dan Patrick, who chairs the state Senate Education Committee. His Senate Bill 3 has been endorsed by more than a dozen industry trade groups concerned about a “skills gap” between Texas high school graduates and the technical jobs firms need to fill.
Others in the business community, though, fear watering down academic standards, especially since the bill may no longer require all students to take Algebra II.
[…]
Frankly, unless one is going into science or engineering, the imaginary numbers, and the analysis associated therewith, are not much use. However, exponents are another matter - you can’t really understand interest rates, for example, without understanding exponents.
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Gus Sat, Mar 16, 2013 8:45:34pm |
Yea D Ackerman, Gary NY 5th
Yea D Andrews, Rob NJ 1st
Yea D Barcia, James MI 5th
Yea D Bentsen, Ken TX 25th
Yea D Berkley, Shelley NV 1st
Yea D Berman, Howard CA 26th
Yea D Berry, Robert AR 1st
Yea D Bishop, Sanford GA 2nd
Yea D Blagojevich, Rod IL 5th
Yea D Borski, Robert PA 3rd
Yea D Boswell, Leonard IA 3rd
Yea D Boucher, Rick VA 9th
Yea D Boyd, Allen FL 2nd
Yea D Carson, Brad OK 2nd
Yea D Clement, Robert TN 5th
Yea D Cramer, Bud AL 5th
Yea D Crowley, Joseph NY 7th
Yea D Davis, Jim FL 11th
Yea D Deutsch, Peter FL 20th
Yea D Dicks, Norm WA 6th
Yea D Dooley, Cal CA 20th
Yea D Edwards, Chet TX 11th
Yea D Engel, Eliot NY 17th
Yea D Etheridge, Bob NC 2nd
Yea D Ford, Harold TN 9th
Yea D Frost, Jonas TX 24th
Yea D Gephardt, Dick MO 3rd
Yea D Gordon, Bart TN 6th
Yea D Green, Gene TX 29th
Yea D Hall, Ralph TX 4th
Yea D Harman, Jane CA 36th
Yea D Hill, Baron IN 9th
Yea D Hoeffel, Joseph PA 13th
Yea D Holden, Tim PA 6th
Yea D Hoyer, Steny MD 5th
Yea D Israel, Steve NY 2nd
Yea D Jefferson, William LA 2nd
Yea D John, Chris LA 7th
Yea D Kanjorski, Paul PA 11th
Yea D Kennedy, Patrick RI 1st
Yea D Kind, Ron WI 3rd
Yea D Lampson, Nick TX 9th
Yea D Lantos, Tom CA 12th
Yea D Lowey, Nita NY 18th
Yea D Lucas, Ken KY 4th
Yea D Luther, William MN 6th
Yea D Lynch, Stephen MA 9th
Yea D Maloney, Carolyn NY 14th
Yea D Markey, Ed MA 7th
Yea D Mascara, Frank PA 20th
Yea D Matheson, Jim UT 2nd
Yea D McCarthy, Carolyn NY 4th
Yea D McIntyre, Mike NC 7th
Yea D McNulty, Michael NY 21st
Yea D Meehan, Marty MA 5th
Yea D Moore, Dennis KS 3rd
Yea D Murtha, John PA 12th
Yea D Pascrell, Bill NJ 8th
Yea D Peterson, Collin MN 7th
Yea D Phelps, David IL 19th
Yea D Pomeroy, Earl ND
Yea D Roemer, Timothy IN 3rd
Yea D Ross, Mike AR 4th
Yea D Rothman, Steven NJ 9th
Yea D Sandlin, Max TX 1st
Yea D Schiff, Adam CA 27th
Yea D Sherman, Brad CA 24th
Yea D Shows, Ronnie MS 4th
Yea D Skelton, Ike MO 4th
Yea D Smith, Adam WA 9th
Yea D Spratt, John SC 5th
Yea D Stenholm, Charles TX 17th
Yea D Tanner, John TN 8th
Yea D Tauscher, Ellen CA 10th
Yea D Taylor, Gene MS 5th
Yea D Thurman, Karen FL 5th
Yea D Turner, Jim TX 2nd
Yea D Waxman, Henry CA 29th
Yea D Weiner, Anthony NY 9th
Yea D Wexler, Robert FL 19th
Yea D Wynn, Albert MD 4th
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Charles Johnson Sat, Mar 16, 2013 8:49:12pm |
re: #126 Gus
But Charles! OMG! He ruined my life for supporting the Iraq War!
//
I certainly did learn a serious lesson from that, though — NEVER trust a Republican administration to tell the truth.
I actually learned this before, but unfortunately forgot this lesson on 9/11. Won’t get fooled again.
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Gus Sat, Mar 16, 2013 8:56:30pm |
re: #131 Charles Johnson
I certainly did learn a serious lesson from that, though — NEVER trust a Republican administration to tell the truth.
I actually learned this before, but unfortunately forgot this lesson on 9/11. Won’t get fooled again.
I didn’t really support the Iraq War during its onset. I remember when I first heard the White House talking about Iraq I had a distinct reaction of “Iraq? WTF does Iraq have to do with this?” I supported the Afghanistan War since I had already be doing a study of human rights abuses by the Taliban there the month prior to the 9/11 attacks.
Eventually I evolved into the thinking that the Iraq War was wrong but we had to finish the job. My logic was that if we withdrew in 2004 we would make matters worse. That’s why I voted for Bush. It was to let him finish the mess he created as opposed to Kerry who was calling for an immediate withdrawal.
From there I dove into the free market mentality. And went a little to the right on economic issues. In fact I remain an economic centrist. I never was a social conservative ever in my life. During my railing against big government I always found myself defending LGBT on Breitbart. I also found myself opposing the rampant racism during the 2008 campaign.
Life is more complex than people assume.
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Gus Sat, Mar 16, 2013 8:57:58pm |
Republican Reps who voted nay.
Nay R Duncan, John TN 2nd
Nay R Hostettler, John IN 8th
Nay R Houghton, Amo NY 31st
Nay R Leach, Jim IA 1st
Nay R Morella, Constance MD 8th
Nay R Paul, Ron TX 14th
| 134 |
freetoken Sat, Mar 16, 2013 8:58:39pm |
This is America, 2013:
Bernard Schoenburg: Old blog gives school board candidate’s thoughts on intelligent design
It’s been some years since the concept of intelligent design — and if it should be taught in schools — was a matter of controversy.
But through the wonders of the Internet, opinions about the subject from one candidate for Subdistrict 5 of the Springfield School District are available for all to see.
KATHARINE EASTVOLD, now on the communications staff for Senate Democrats, in the past had a blog that is still online at eastvold.blogspot.com.
[…]
Well, in a Dec. 30, 2005, post on her blog titled “End the fear; can’t we all act intelligently?” Eastvold basically called for a calmer conversation of the issue.
She said she thought the overwhelming condemnation of the Dover school board included “egregious misstatements that have spread like wildfire. …”
“First, the Dover school board did NOT require or even authorize the teaching of intelligent design in the classroom,” she wrote. “What the school board did (and why it was sued) was require that biology teachers read a short … statement explaining that there are some scientists who have doubts about the validity of the macro theory of evolution, that alternative theories will not be taught in this class, and that there is a book available in the school library that explains one such alternative theory. That’s it. Even if I were a true believer in evolution, I don’t think I would be all that concerned by such a statement. Come on, we all know high school students. Most probably would not have gone rushing to the school library to check out the book that was mentioned.”
“The proponents of the theory of intelligent design are serious scientists,” Eastvold added.
“They may be ostracized by the rest of the scientific community at this time, but the fact is that they have PhDs and jobs at prestigious research universities. … Those among them who are Christians clearly have a very keen interest in and love for the scientific approach to truth; otherwise, why are they not preachers or missionaries or […]
Her family goes to the First Presbyterian Church in Springfield, she said. Personally, she said, “I am a Christian. I do believe that God created the world. As far as what time period he took to do it in, I really don’t know. [aka the Rubio Gambit] I think it’s entirely possible that the Bible could be metaphorical on that point.”
[…]
PETE SHERMAN, spokesman for District 186, said that in the district, “We do not teach creationism or intelligent design as a unit, but we don’t prohibit teachers from mentioning their existence.” While there is no problem with such mentions, he said, “we do not go beyond that.”
[…]
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The Ghost of a Flea Sat, Mar 16, 2013 9:02:29pm |
I’m sure you’ll surprised that if you get to the end of the spiritwaterblood rant, you discover he also thinks women should stay out the way of the menfolk./
The real education is in the comments, though, where I learned that racists can have deeply indexed debates about whether Jews invented Communism or simply took over Communism via their native viciousness and cunning.
Also hilarious: “educated” white nationalist commenter get ragged on as a Jew-Lover by the other commenters, because he was skeptical of one of the wild antisemitic accusations in the piece.
| 137 |
Gus Sat, Mar 16, 2013 9:06:07pm |
I also went to that huge anti-war protest in San Francisco way back. My sign had “Visualize World Peace” on one side. I had painted an image of the globe. And the other side said “Support our Troops.” Ran into my acting teacher while I was there.
| 140 |
Gus Sat, Mar 16, 2013 9:08:48pm |
And unlike some people I did not stay home in 2010. I voted straight Democrat.
| 141 |
Gus Sat, Mar 16, 2013 9:13:05pm |
I also remember looking at images of victims of 9/11 in front of the computer all night crying my head off.
| 142 |
Gus Sat, Mar 16, 2013 9:20:37pm |
In fact. The day began with my thinking what I was listening to on the radio was a radio drama. When it finally dawned on me I went ballistic on my drive to work. When I got there they were replaying the WTC going down on some old black and white. I, fell apart. I couldn’t believe what was happening.
| 143 |
Gus Sat, Mar 16, 2013 9:22:25pm |
The next day I was drawing targets on OBL. Rani, who was this secular Muslim engineer from Indonesia that worked there saw what I was doing and said, “stop that.” She wore pants and carried a wallet in her back pocket. So, that made me think.
| 144 |
engineer cat Sat, Mar 16, 2013 9:36:50pm |
ATTN:
I Am Dr. Eric Wilfred , PAYMENT Director United Nation in London ,I decided to contact you because of the prevailing security report reaching my office and the intense nature of polity in London . This is to inform you about our plan to send your fund to you via cash Delivery; this system will be easier for you and for us. We are going to send your contract part payment of US$8.3Million to you via courier services I have secured every needed document to cover the money. Note: The Money is coming on 2 security proof boxes, the boxes are sealed with Synthetic nylon seal and padded with machine. I will use my position as The PAYMENT Director United Nations to release this fund to You The boxes are coming with a Courier agent who will accompany the Boxes to your house address. All you need to do now I to send to me:
1. Your full house address
2. Your identity such as, international passport or driver’s license
3. Your contact phone numbers,
4. Your full name,
5. Age and Occupation
The Courier Agents attached will travel with this required information’s for the delivery of your fund. He will call you immediately he arrives your country’s airport. I hope you understand me. I will let you know when these consignments will be lifted, and Note: The Agent does not know the original contents of the boxes. What declared to them as the contents is Sensitive Photographic Film Material. I did not declare money to them please. If they call you and Ask you the contents please tell them the same thing OK. Email me immediately and I will let you know how far I have gone with The arrangement.
I will secure the clearance Certificate that will be tagged on the boxes which I will dispatch along with the security inner Keys of the consignments to enable you access these consignments has soon as it delivered to you. This clearance will make it pass every custom checkpoint all over the world without hitch. Confirm the receipt of this message and send the requirements to me immediately you receive this message. Please I need your urgent reply because the boxes are schedule to airlift as soon as we hear from you.
the english is poorer here than in the last example, but i think all aficionados will appreciate the ingenuity of this one. the elaborate description of the ‘2 security proof boxes’ alone is worth it. also, i like the attempt at motivation, here as ambiguous and difficult to make out as last time, but with a certain ominous quality that lends drama: ‘the intense nature of polity in London’. indeed!
again, the email address is from the Philippines. i might note that english has been widely spoken in the Philippines for many decades, and yet the composer of this missive seems unaware of how unlikely it would be for any actual “Dr. Eric Wilfred , PAYMENT Director United Nation in London” to write anything as illiterate as “I did not declare money to them please. If they call you and Ask you the contents please tell them the same thing OK”. finally, there is a paradox: the writer begins by addressing me as if we had corresponded before, even apparently signed a contract, and of course attempts to construct a reason for contacting me in particular, but then perforce must ask me my name, occupation, and exact address
“Dear Dr. Eric Wilfred , PAYMENT Director United Nation in London,
I regret to hear of the intensity of polity as it now stands in London, and I earnestly hope that you experience a more relaxed polity very soon. It pains me to leave you in this ambiguous state, but as you refer to my contract I am constrained to request of you my identity so that I will know who I a replying as.
We operate within a constantly changing time frame. The mail delivery on Saturdays in the United States will soon be ended, and I will need to work harder to assume a casual attitude when receiving security proof boxes sealed with Synthetic nylon seal and padded with machine.
thanking you most mysteriously, i remain”
| 146 |
freetoken Sat, Mar 16, 2013 9:39:17pm |
That in which we participate here - intercourse via literacy, is a very rare activity compared within the entirety of human existence.
Most people who have ever lived have been unable to read or write.
| 149 |
engineer cat Sat, Mar 16, 2013 9:51:40pm |
| 150 |
dragonath Sat, Mar 16, 2013 9:53:10pm |
re: #132 Gus
The Democrats were completely unmoored and had no direction from their gutless, blue-dog Congressional leadership. Kerry ran a fearful, poll driven campaign and half the liberal blogosphere was run by insufferable bloggers who were not really allies of the Democrats in the first place.
Meanwhile, the Republicans were setting every bad precedent they could, like the Hastert “rule”, scrapping PAYGO, and rewriting environmental regulations. There were so many crappy things going on just under the wire that it was hard to keep track of it.
I remember a number of particularly sycophantic Republicans who felt liberated to call anyone to the left of J. Edgar Hoover a communist. The leftists weren’t too bright, either. I remember some guy around town who put up a sliding gauge marking the number of soldiers who died in Iraq. It was so crass I had half a mind to knock it down.
| 151 |
freetoken Sat, Mar 16, 2013 9:55:27pm |
re: #149 engineer cat
Well, I suspect that using Google LangTools, and the Filipino, Malay, or whatever, to English setting, someone types in a phrase or sentence in their native language and sees what Google gives, then cuts and pastes.
That might explain the repetitive grammar errors.
| 152 |
Gus Sat, Mar 16, 2013 10:00:28pm |
I can see someone is trying to scrape up an old LGF article from 2006. The emo butthurt continues.
| 153 |
engineer cat Sat, Mar 16, 2013 10:00:38pm |
re: #151 freetoken
Well, I suspect that using Google LangTools, and the Filipino, Malay, or whatever, to English setting, someone types in a phrase or sentence in their native language and sees what Google gives, then cuts and pastes.
That might explain the repetitive grammar errors.
the philippines were a ‘protectorate’ of the united states for many decades - english is widely spoken in the big cities
i sense you are dismayed that i have ragged this person about their incorrect english
| 154 |
Feline Fearless Leader Sat, Mar 16, 2013 10:01:42pm |
Hmm, a good ending to a day of reading stuff that makes me worry about the future of our country and culture.
The aloof cat just climbed up onto the couch cushion to my left. Curled up purring and fell asleep with her head resting on my shoulder. Guess she decided that hanging out with me to get pets is now worth pursuing.
:)
| 155 |
freetoken Sat, Mar 16, 2013 10:02:06pm |
re: #153 engineer cat
i sense you are dismayed that i have ragged this person about their incorrect english
No, not at all.
However, just because your email may have originated from a server in the Philippines doesn’t mean the writer is/was a native of said country.
| 156 |
dragonath Sat, Mar 16, 2013 10:05:22pm |
Freedom fries, ANSWER rallies, flag pins, and everybody seemingly reliving culture wars that happened before half the population was even born…
Meeeeeeehmories
Sorry. Reminiscing.
| 157 |
dragonath Sat, Mar 16, 2013 10:06:17pm |
And boy, did the Simpsons ever go to hell after 2000, or what?
| 158 |
Gus Sat, Mar 16, 2013 10:10:00pm |
See this?
CPAC stands for Conservative Politicians Attempting Comedy right?— josh groban (@joshgroban) March 16, 2013
| 160 |
engineer cat Sat, Mar 16, 2013 10:12:01pm |
re: #155 freetoken
No, not at all.
However, just because your email may have originated from a server in the Philippines doesn’t mean the writer is/was a native of said country.
true
here’s a story - i registered at a dating website that has an IM service for its members that is safe since it is bounced off of the server instead of peer to peer like yahoo’s. i was repeatedly ‘liked’ by persons with a profile showing a picture of a gorgeous young blonde woman and stating her age as in the mid 20s, and always claiming to be residing in rather distant parts of the united states. i am pushing 60
when i was online they would chat me up on the IM. the flavor of their english was very similar to the above email, making me instantly even more suspicious than before. curiously, in the course of our interesting conversations they found it necessary to volunteer that they just happened to be on a professional visit to some place in west africa, since they happened to be dealers in rare artifacts or perhaps merely jewelry. i was telling the lizards here about this a number of months ago so perhaps you read my description then
the writers of these phishing email classics leave a more permanent trace. as a former literature major, i am thinking of collecting them as a new genre and subjecting them to literary analysis. //
| 167 |
Kragar (Antichrist ) Sat, Mar 16, 2013 10:32:01pm |
Conservatives prattling about conspiracies
| 171 |
austin_blue Sat, Mar 16, 2013 10:37:36pm |
re: #109 Charles Johnson
By the way, yeah, I know the comment section at LGF used to be out of control, but there’s no freaking way it was ever as bad as the posts I’ve put up today. Any one of the comments I posted from Hoft’s site or TheBlaze would have led to an immediate banning.
I don’t disagree, but Ben Hur’s “Transfer” postings marched right up to the line. Ethnic cleansing in drag.
| 172 |
engineer cat Sat, Mar 16, 2013 10:38:16pm |
they are having tango night at the mediterraneum cafe. i am sitting in the balcony reading a book about how to be an american living in mexico
my latest escape fantasy is to go live in guadalajara or perhaps cuernavaca. supposedly one can live quite well on $1200/mo…
| 173 |
Kronocide Sat, Mar 16, 2013 10:40:26pm |
Sipping down a Big Gulp, no doubt a snarky prop to diss Bloomberg and doo gooder leftists.
Ideological theater from the woman who could be president. We are FUCKED.
| 174 |
Tigger2005 Sat, Mar 16, 2013 10:45:29pm |
Any opinions about this BBC documentary claiming that the Bush administration deliberately fomented Iraq’s sectarian civil war and set up torture centers throughout the country? I’m not sure I see what they would have had to gain from that, or for that matter why nobody discovered it earlier. Do they have evidence for these claims?
| 175 |
Gus Sat, Mar 16, 2013 10:47:37pm |
#Syria Times lauds Assad in hilariously Stalinist piece, says he’s targeted by “The access of evil” syriatimes.sy/index.php/sayi… via @arabist— Paul Danahar (@pdanahar) March 17, 2013
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engineer cat Sat, Mar 16, 2013 10:52:48pm |
Big Gulp
as a friend of mine once said, if hillary clinton announced tomorrow that perhaps eating manure could be detrimental to your digestion, the next day every wingnut in the country would be shovelling it down and claiming it tasted like ice cream
they are getting much too predictable in this regard and it is our duty as mischievous subversive hippies to take advantage of it and manipulate the crap out of them
| 177 |
austin_blue Sat, Mar 16, 2013 11:02:24pm |
re: #172 engineer cat
they are having tango night at the mediterraneum cafe. i am sitting in the balcony reading a book about how to be an american living in mexico
my latest escape fantasy is to go live in guadalajara or perhaps cuernavaca. supposedly one can live quite well on $1200/mo…
Bang bang. Rich American. Target. Belize or Costa Rica are mo’ bettah.
| 179 |
Gus Sat, Mar 16, 2013 11:03:40pm |
So which is it? Bloomberg that saves the universe by banning sugary soda pop or Bloomberg that’s behind the evil NYPD that kills kids and snoops on Muslims? I’m a little confused here.
| 181 |
engineer cat Sat, Mar 16, 2013 11:09:31pm |
re: #177 austin_blue
Bang bang. Rich American. Target. Belize or Costa Rica are mo’ bettah.
oh, not really. there are like 700 thousand to a million americans living in mexico depending on who you ask
| 182 |
Gus Sat, Mar 16, 2013 11:15:57pm |
re: #180 Kronocide
I knew what she was doing the second I read about it. The soda ban is still stupid considering what people can still buy and turn into a balloon by consumption. Buying a quart of ice cream and eating it in one night will have the same effect. A lot of the desert beverages sold at Starbucks. One other major cause of obesity is ordinary alcohol consumption. So what do we do? Ban anything that can cause obesity? Because people drinking high fructose soft drinks is only the tip of the iceberg. Myself, I happen to be quite the balloon but still get diet soda because non-diet will wipe me out. It’s a known fact.
| 183 |
freetoken Sat, Mar 16, 2013 11:18:35pm |
State laws require the recording of births (by counties usually.)
Should these be expanded to require a genetic sample upon recording?
| 184 |
Gus Sat, Mar 16, 2013 11:19:18pm |
Breaking. Eating a cheeseburger with fries and 32 ounce Coke every day will make you fat.
| 186 |
Gus Sat, Mar 16, 2013 11:21:30pm |
re: #183 freetoken
State laws require the recording of births (by counties usually.)
Should these be expanded to require a genetic sample upon recording?
Only if we can bar code them.
| 187 |
freetoken Sat, Mar 16, 2013 11:21:51pm |
| 188 |
Gus Sat, Mar 16, 2013 11:21:53pm |
re: #183 freetoken
State laws require the recording of births (by counties usually.)
Should these be expanded to require a genetic sample upon recording?
BUT FOR THE SAFETY OF OUR CHILDREN!
| 189 |
Gus Sat, Mar 16, 2013 11:23:26pm |
re: #187 freetoken
Chip ‘em.
All of the above. Including a remote destruct device in case they break the law. Wouldn’t need cops anymore. Someone breaks the law and boom! Their head blows up. //
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Gus Sat, Mar 16, 2013 11:38:23pm |
Sorry, I just find the whole idea rather passive-aggressive given how we’re such a meat eating, bacon loving, cheeseburger with fries country. We will allow them to buy oil fried fries with well done chopped beef burgers laden with sodium but we can’t allow them to have a Big Gulp with the artery clogging goop. //
| 192 |
Gus Sat, Mar 16, 2013 11:39:05pm |
You can have the 12 pounds of beef fat but the 32 ounce Coke is out of the question. //
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Gus Sat, Mar 16, 2013 11:41:38pm |
The Dubliners - In The Rare Old Times: youtu.be/9T7OaDDR7i8 #p2 #tlot— Gus (@Gus_802) March 17, 2013
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Gus Sat, Mar 16, 2013 11:45:27pm |
Ronnie Drew twitter.com/Gus_802/status…— Gus (@Gus_802) March 17, 2013
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Gus Sat, Mar 16, 2013 11:47:28pm |
Tony Rice ~ Girl From The North Country: youtu.be/TPTQiabF5Ek— Gus (@Gus_802) March 17, 2013
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Gus Sat, Mar 16, 2013 11:49:08pm |
Soda ban doesn’t matter then since I still would get diets. It’s all good. Wouldn’t matter. I’m still in Cow Town. :D
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Gus Sat, Mar 16, 2013 11:53:39pm |
Tony Rice & Alison Krauss Sawing On The Strings: youtu.be/bCJ_60rdaNY #Awesome #Bluegrass— Gus (@Gus_802) March 17, 2013
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Gus Sun, Mar 17, 2013 12:00:01am |
Norman Blake / Tony Rice / Doc Watson - Salt Creek: youtu.be/XEZp_Z6SWEI via @youtube— Gus (@Gus_802) March 17, 2013
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Gus Sun, Mar 17, 2013 12:01:42am |
Pretty much sums up #cpac twitter.com/denise4925/sta…— Denise(@denise4925) March 16, 2013
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Gus Sun, Mar 17, 2013 12:04:08am |
@markoconnor35 The Tony Rice Unit - Blue Railroad Train: youtu.be/yhI-4Agmax4— Gus (@Gus_802) March 17, 2013
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Gus Sun, Mar 17, 2013 12:15:16am |
Most amusing tweet of the day so far from @dromarashour: twitter.com/DrOmarAshour/s… #AJForum— Shadi Hamid (@shadihamid) March 17, 2013
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Gus Sun, Mar 17, 2013 12:15:27am |
Flatt and Scruggs - Footprints in The Snow: youtu.be/XHCHcq1qBeU— Gus (@Gus_802) March 17, 2013
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Gus Sun, Mar 17, 2013 12:42:00am |
Same ppl shockd by #MB thugs hittin womn ignored same when army brutally violated women,violence against women can’t be in eyes of beholder!— May Abdel Asim (@MayAbdelAsim) March 17, 2013
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Gus Sun, Mar 17, 2013 12:47:32am |
The Grateful Dead - American Beauty (1970) Full Album: youtu.be/iXrQAcYbHHo— Gus (@Gus_802) March 17, 2013
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Sun, Mar 17, 2013 12:59:22am |
If Breitbart publisher Steve Bannon was under the impression that giving anti-Muslim activists Pamela Geller, Robert Spencer and Frank Gaffney a rather public platform at this year’s Conservative Political Action Conference after the organizers at the American Conservative Union banned them from direct participation would leave them feeling chastened or even grateful for the opportunity, Robert Spencer disabused him of that notion within moments of beginning his address. Rather than touching upon the nominal topic of his speech, “Why I am not a conservative,” Spencer lit straight into the exact kind of personal attacks against ACU board members Grover Norquist and Suhail Khan that not only got him banned but from which Bannon had specifically asked him to refrain.
“There’s no ‘personal attack,’” Spencer claimed after Bannon tried to steer him back to his speech topic because, he stated, he wasn’t personally acquainted with either Norquist or Khan. “What I do know is that they’re completely in bed with the same people Barack Obama is listening to to press the Muslim Brotherhood-positive foreign policy of the United States, and domestic policy as well.”
It was the sort of red meat that only about sixty percent of the once-capacity crowd had stuck around for more than an hour of painfully boring speeches to hear — and they ate it up, giving Spencer a standing ovation at the end of a short speech in which he also claimed “the United States government has sold out to the Muslim Brotherhood” and that, “This is not about me.”
Geller was next up to the microphone, which she used to claim that God himself had a hand in her being given the opportunity to speak at CPAC despite her banishment.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Sun, Mar 17, 2013 1:35:44am |
I just woke up at 3:30 AM for no goddamn good reason. Urgh.
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Sun, Mar 17, 2013 1:58:01am |
re: #210 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut
I just woke up at 3:30 AM for no goddamn good reason. Urgh.
One time, I woke up fully rested, showered, started getting dressed when my roommate woke up and said, “Its 2:00 AM. What the fuck are you doing?”
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Sun, Mar 17, 2013 2:01:35am |
Tea Party blames unruly CPAC racism panel on African-American woman reporter
The group Tea Party Patriots (TPP) blamed the melee at its Friday panel on conservatives and racism on an African-American woman reporter whose remarks the group called “disruptive and coercive.” In a statement released on Saturday, TPP’s K. Carl Smith allowed that some panelists and audience members had made “racially insensitive remarks,” but the onus of the blame, he said, lies squarely with “a woman working for the Voice of Russia.”
“I was invited by the Tea Party Patriots to conduct a breakout session entitled: ‘Trump The Race Card’ and share the Frederick Douglass Republican Message,” wrote Smith, an African-American conservative and author of the book Frederick Douglass Republicans.
“In the middle of my delivery, while discussing the 1848 ‘Women’s Rights Convention,’ I was rudely interrupted by a woman working for the Voice of Russia,” Smith continued. “She abruptly asked me: ‘How many black women were there?’ This question was intentionally disruptive and coercive with no way of creating a positive dialogue.”
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Sun, Mar 17, 2013 2:07:59am |
Speaking of sleep, this time next week, the wife and I will be sleeping in a brand new king size bed, and the kids will each have a brand new single bed, upgrading from a 15 year old full size and their little kid bunk beds respectively.
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EdDantes Sun, Mar 17, 2013 2:15:33am |
I’m sorry if this has been posted before but I can’t get it out of my head.
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EdDantes Sun, Mar 17, 2013 2:27:18am |
re: #213 Kragar (Antichrist )
A new bed is one of the best things you can do for yourself. It might eliminate that pain between you shoulder blades and your lower back (speaking from experience).
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Sun, Mar 17, 2013 2:29:35am |
And some original Macklemore….
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wheat-dogghazi Sun, Mar 17, 2013 2:35:53am |
re: #172 engineer cat
Quite likely. There are quite a few retirees from the USA moving semi-permanently to Mexico or other Central/South American countries, Thailand and other “Third World” places because the cost of living is so low. A measly SSA check can go quite aways in such places.
In Chinese RMB, US$1200 is about 7500 RMB. It’s not enough to buy a house here, but enough for a comfortable flat with plenty left over for essentials and entertainment.
But I don’t recommend retiring in China, for a variety of reasons. If you marry a Chinese girl, however, it’s do-able.
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EdDantes Sun, Mar 17, 2013 2:39:34am |
re: #216 Kragar (Antichrist )
I hate rap, hip hop but I think I like Macklemore.
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Sun, Mar 17, 2013 2:54:34am |
And then there is Mr B.
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wheat-dogghazi Sun, Mar 17, 2013 2:55:49am |
Thinking out loud here, so to speak. I’ve been trying to understand how K Carl Smith could end up “being friends” with the white supremacist dude after that whole altercation. Here’s some ideas I had. What do you think?
1. Being a born-again Christian, Smith is looking to the hereafter and Paradise and doesn’t care too much about the temporal world in the present day. He may figure St. Peter will sort it all out at the Pearly Gates, so why make a fuss now?
2. Smith is emulating Jesus and turning the other cheek, hoping to win over his enemy with loving-kindness.
3. Smith is really stupid, and doesn’t understand that white supremacists would just as soon put him in chains or hang him from a tree than “be friends” with him.
4. Smith is an appeaser, hoping that a less militant attitude will win him support. (This strategy did not work, historically speaking, but see #3.)
5. Identifying as a Republican is way more significant and meaningful than one’s skin color, family history or attitude about race, so let’s be friends, K?
That’s all I can pull out thin air for now.
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EdDantes Sun, Mar 17, 2013 3:07:17am |
I don’t know who K Carl Smith is or why he would be friends with a white supremacist. Is he important?
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wheat-dogghazi Sun, Mar 17, 2013 3:09:06am |
re: #221 EdDantes
One of the participants in the Great CPAC Race Debate. (See below)
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EdDantes Sun, Mar 17, 2013 3:12:38am |
re: #222 wheat-dogghazi
One of the participants in the Great CPAC Race Debate. (See below)
I didn’t see the CPAC debate and there is nothing below.
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wheat-dogghazi Sun, Mar 17, 2013 3:15:27am |
For our viewers just joining us: littlegreenfootballs.com
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SunnyJane Sun, Mar 17, 2013 3:38:09am |
Sorry, Charles, but the “rifle and rack” statement was not about boobs. It refers to hunting and moose (or deer, or whatever) and bringing home the rack, which is the animal’s antlers. Thus, “Todd got the rifle and I got the rack.”
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freetoken Sun, Mar 17, 2013 3:44:30am |
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Sun, Mar 17, 2013 3:48:36am |
re: #228 freetoken
Puns not your speciality?
Some people have enough trouble with single, let alone a double, entendre.
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EdDantes Sun, Mar 17, 2013 3:54:11am |
re: #227 SunnyJane
Hi Sunny. I gave you your first upding, but I think Palin was making a boob a joke.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Sun, Mar 17, 2013 4:00:11am |
re: #227 SunnyJane
Sorry, Charles, but the “rifle and rack” statement was not about boobs. It refers to hunting and moose (or deer, or whatever) and bringing home the rack, which is the animal’s antlers. Thus, “Todd got the rifle and I got the rack.”
Let me introduce you to the concept of double-meanings.
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Sun, Mar 17, 2013 4:01:11am |
re: #232 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut
Let me introduce you to the concept of double-meanings.
Sounds like a dirty commie liberal plot.
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Varek Raith Sun, Mar 17, 2013 4:02:14am |
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EdDantes Sun, Mar 17, 2013 4:05:27am |
re: #230 Kragar (Antichrist )
Kragar, why the downding for a first time poster?
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PhillyPretzel Sun, Mar 17, 2013 4:05:35am |
Good Morning and Happy Saint Patrick’s Day.
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Sun, Mar 17, 2013 4:08:12am |
re: #235 EdDantes
Kragar, why the downding for a first time poster?
Because its late and I’m not in the mood for a nitwit.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Sun, Mar 17, 2013 4:09:03am |
Protip: When, in the 80’s movie, the comic sidekick looks at the girl wearing the milkmaid costume and says “Look at the jugs on that one”, he is not, actually, referring to the jugs in her hands.
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Varek Raith Sun, Mar 17, 2013 4:09:11am |
re: #237 Kragar (Antichrist )
Because its late and I’m not in the mood for a nitwit.
That’s what she said!
/nitwit.
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EdDantes Sun, Mar 17, 2013 4:09:38am |
re: #237 Kragar (Antichrist )
Because its late and I’m not in the mood for a nitwit.
You must be more inclusive (as the liberals say).
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Sun, Mar 17, 2013 4:10:49am |
re: #240 EdDantes
You must be more inclusive (as the liberals say).
I’ve got no problem with calling more people nitwits.
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EdDantes Sun, Mar 17, 2013 4:13:20am |
re: #241 Kragar (Antichrist )
I’ve got no problem with calling more people nitwits.
Ok, you are a shitwit, shitwit.
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EdDantes Sun, Mar 17, 2013 4:15:28am |
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Varek Raith Sun, Mar 17, 2013 4:18:41am |
CPAC.
And Republicans wonder why minorities don’t vote for them.
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Sun, Mar 17, 2013 4:19:32am |
re: #242 EdDantes
Ok, you are a shitwit, shitwit.
Seriously? That is the best you can come up with at short notice?
I really am insulted now.
///
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Varek Raith Sun, Mar 17, 2013 4:21:22am |
re: #245 Kragar (Antichrist )
Seriously? That is the best you can come up with at short notice?
I really am insulted now.
///
Blind Storm Troopers > Space Marines.
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EdDantes Sun, Mar 17, 2013 4:22:30am |
re: #245 Kragar (Antichrist )
Why don’t you run down an alley and holler “fish”?
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EdDantes Sun, Mar 17, 2013 4:23:28am |
re: #247 EdDantes
Why don’t you run down an alley and holler “fish”?
Sorry, Kragar I had to do that.
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Sun, Mar 17, 2013 4:23:36am |
re: #247 EdDantes
Why don’t you run down an alley and holler “fish”?
Why bring Abe Vigoda into this?
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Sun, Mar 17, 2013 4:24:30am |
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Sun, Mar 17, 2013 4:25:11am |
re: #246 Varek Raith
Blind Storm Troopers > Space Marines.
Well, one can’t argue that the Imperium’s Storm Trooper regiments deserve praise for being willing to fight the forces of the Archenemy without the training or equipment afforded to the Astartes, and their wounded deserve additional recognition.
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freetoken Sun, Mar 17, 2013 4:28:43am |
You can tell we’re getting old… it took almost 9 and a half hours for this to dissolve into a boob thread.
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Varek Raith Sun, Mar 17, 2013 4:29:49am |
re: #255 freetoken
You can tell we’re getting old… it took almost 9 and a half hours for this to dissolve into a boob thread.
Yeah, but, it started as a boob thread!
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Sun, Mar 17, 2013 4:32:33am |
re: #256 Varek Raith
Yeah, but, it started as a boob thread!
And that was on several levels as well.
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EdDantes Sun, Mar 17, 2013 4:33:28am |
re: #236 PhillyPretzel
Happy saint Patrick’s Day, to you! This would be my dads 89th birthday so it is special to me. He died in 2006 so I always associate Saint patrick’s day with my dad.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Sun, Mar 17, 2013 4:36:36am |
re: #258 EdDantes
Happy saint Patrick’s Day, to you! This would be my dads 89th birthday so it is special to me. He died in 2006 so I always associate Saint patrick’s day with my dad.
It was my Jewish grandfather’s birthday. He wore a bright green suit every St. Patty’s day and claimed leprechauns were an antisemitic Irish myth.
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EdDantes Sun, Mar 17, 2013 4:41:36am |
re: #259 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut
I have no idea what you mean but more power to ya.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Sun, Mar 17, 2013 4:44:53am |
re: #261 EdDantes
I have no idea what you mean but more power to ya.
They’re a tricky race of beings that work as tinkers and cobblers, but secretly hoard gold. They’re clever and cunning but they flee at the sign of the cross.
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EdDantes Sun, Mar 17, 2013 4:53:54am |
re: #262 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut
They’re a tricky race of beings that work as tinkers and cobblers, but secretly hoard gold. They’re clever and cunning but they flee at the sign of the cross.
As you say.
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freetoken Sun, Mar 17, 2013 5:11:36am |
Bjorn Lomborg is at it again, obfuscating and shifting blame:
Earth Hour Is a Colossal Waste of Time—And Energy
[…]
Hypothetically, switching off the lights for an hour would cut CO2 emissions from power plants around the world. But, even if everyone in the entire world cut all residential lighting, and this translated entirely into CO2 reduction, it would be the equivalent of China pausing its CO2 emissions for less than four minutes. In fact, Earth Hour will cause emissions to increase.
[…]
To green the world’s energy, we should abandon the old-fashioned policy of subsidizing unreliable solar and wind—a policy that has failed for 20 years, and that will fail for the next 22. Instead, we should focus on inventing new, more efficient green technologies to outcompete fossil fuels.
[…]
CHINA!! WIND!!
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freetoken Sun, Mar 17, 2013 5:15:21am |
The AP dumped across the transom a pile of stories dealing with “latinos” and with “race”, including this one:
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 17, 2013 5:17:40am |
re: #268 freetoken
The AP dumped across the transom a pile of stories dealing with “latinos” and with “race”, including this one:
Now THERE’S a hole with no bottom.
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PhillyPretzel Sun, Mar 17, 2013 5:19:30am |
re: #268 freetoken
This is all I could get from the Free Dictionary. thefreedictionary.com
If someone wants to go further they are more than welcome to do so, but as DF just posted “now THERE’S a hole with no bottom.”
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freetoken Sun, Mar 17, 2013 5:25:31am |
AP this morning is really pushing this idea that America is at some sort of racial apocalypse:
IN BRAZIL, A MIX OF RACIAL OPENNESS AND EXCLUSION
Many Brazilians cast their country as racial democracy where people of different groups long have intermarried, resulting in a large mixed-race population. But you need only turn on the TV, open the newspaper or stroll down the street to see clear evidence of segregation.
[…]
It is a mix of anomalies in Brazil that offers lessons to a United States now in transition to a “majority-minority” nation: how racial integration in social life does not always translate to economic equality, and how centuries of racial mixing are no guaranteed route to a colorblind society.
[…]
Note that the writer doesn’t demonstrate “how” the US is supposed to learn from Brazil, or that even if the assertion can be proved.
RISE OF LATINO POPULATION BLURS US RACIAL LINES
Welcome to the new off-white America.
[…]
Despite being a nation of immigrants, America’s tip to a white minority has never occurred in its 237-year history and will be a first among the world’s major post-industrial societies. Brazil, a developing nation, has crossed the threshold to “majority-minority” status; a few cities in France and England are near, if not past that point.
The international experience and recent U.S. events point to an uncertain future for American race relations.
[…]
Again, offered as a threat but with no real analysis on exactly why the US experience has to follow Brazil. And throwing in the bit about cities in France and England is just scare mongering. Several American cities have had dominant non-“white” populations at times.
IN COLORBLIND FRANCE, RISING DIVERSITY TESTS UNITY
FRANCE!!!
Who’s the editor now at AP, Robert Spencer?
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freetoken Sun, Mar 17, 2013 5:27:06am |
re: #271 freetoken
“Apocalypse” didn’t make it the first edit… so I added it.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 17, 2013 5:36:55am |
re: #272 freetoken
“Apocalypse” didn’t make it the first edit… so I added it.
Perhaps they’re giving Fox News its post-CPAC “Kill the immigration bill” fodder.
But France’s changing demographics are causing some serious problems, and the AP is not out of line in reporting that. It’s possible to have concerns about the integration of immigrants and stay clear of being hateful.
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wheat-dogghazi Sun, Mar 17, 2013 5:52:45am |
re: #265 freetoken
Sounds Celtic. Duh. It’s St. Paddy’s Day. But who’s the artist? They sound familiar. Chieftains?
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Decatur Deb Sun, Mar 17, 2013 6:00:51am |
re: #262 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut
They’re a tricky race of beings that work as tinkers and cobblers, but secretly hoard gold. They’re clever and cunning but they flee at the sign of the cross.
Yes, but your garand-da was likely wrong about that. They, and all the sidh, are seen as the pagan spirits of the island, driven underground and living in parallel with Christianity. (I had relatives who seriously believed in the banshees, even though our family was not classy enough to have one.)
Morning all. Commie Irish wakeup for St. Patrick’s Day.
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FemNaziBitch Sun, Mar 17, 2013 6:03:20am |
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William Barnett-Lewis Sun, Mar 17, 2013 6:04:37am |
Well good morning all. Since the good saints day fell on Sunday this year, I’ll offer this as a good wake the fuck up song:
;)
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Decatur Deb Sun, Mar 17, 2013 6:09:08am |
re: #279 William Barnett-Lewis
Well good morning all. Since the good saints day fell on Sunday this year, I’ll offer this as a good wake the fuck up song:
[Embedded content]
;)
So that’s how it’s to be?
We started partying last night at sunset.
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FemNaziBitch Sun, Mar 17, 2013 6:12:39am |
re: #279 William Barnett-Lewis
Well good morning all. Since the good saints day fell on Sunday this year, I’ll offer this as a good wake the fuck up song:
[Embedded content]
;)
Just what a person needs in the morning.
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Decatur Deb Sun, Mar 17, 2013 6:14:58am |
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Eventual Carrion Sun, Mar 17, 2013 6:24:18am |
re: #227 SunnyJane
Sorry, Charles, but the “rifle and rack” statement was not about boobs. It refers to hunting and moose (or deer, or whatever) and bringing home the rack, which is the animal’s antlers. Thus, “Todd got the rifle and I got the rack.”
“This is my rifle and this is my gun”
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Decatur Deb Sun, Mar 17, 2013 6:25:56am |
re: #283 William Barnett-Lewis
Covered by everyone, but that’s the best (almost first) version.
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Decatur Deb Sun, Mar 17, 2013 6:28:30am |
Freakn’ dog isn’t hung over—wants his walk. BBIAB.
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William Barnett-Lewis Sun, Mar 17, 2013 6:30:39am |
re: #285 Decatur Deb
Covered by everyone, but that’s the best (almost first) version.
I remember it very early in my life (I’d have been 5 in 68) so she may well have had that version. It sounds familiar at least.
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William Barnett-Lewis Sun, Mar 17, 2013 6:32:23am |
re: #284 Eventual Carrion
“This is my rifle and this is my gun”
Exactly. They can spin it all they like but the reality is that she has only one asset and she uses it as much as she can. (shudder)
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 17, 2013 6:33:55am |
re: #284 Eventual Carrion
“This is my rifle and this is my gun”
Well, it was a serviceable comedy line, even without allowing for the person who told it. And given that the entire aim of the first bit of her speech was a humor-based attack on the policies of Michael Bloomberg, I’d say Sarah Palin succeeded on that point. Doesn’t mean she should have power or influence, of course.
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Eventual Carrion Sun, Mar 17, 2013 6:37:30am |
re: #289 Dark_Falcon
Well, it was a serviceable comedy line, even without allowing for the person who told it. And given that the entire aim of the first bit of her speech was a humor-based attack on the policies of Michael Bloomberg, I’d say Sarah Palin succeeded on that point. Doesn’t mean she should have power or influence, of course.
As long as it is well know that she is just comedy relief and eye candy that is fine. Too many want to still see her as management material and I find that a little disquieting.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 17, 2013 6:42:20am |
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FemNaziBitch Sun, Mar 17, 2013 6:43:38am |
re: #292 Dark_Falcon
If you mean Destro insulting and hassling PLL, I agree.
I ignore Destro. The Cossacks are whom I was referring.
Seems people all over can’t handle the present and pine for the mythical past. They seem hell bent on re-creating what never existed.
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PhillyPretzel Sun, Mar 17, 2013 6:51:39am |
re: #293 FemNaziBitch
It is part of “re-creating” history.
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FemNaziBitch Sun, Mar 17, 2013 6:53:27am |
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FemNaziBitch Sun, Mar 17, 2013 6:53:55am |
I seem to be having a headache weekend.
I’m going to go back to bed after taking some meds.
Have a good one all!
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William Barnett-Lewis Sun, Mar 17, 2013 6:55:37am |
re: #292 Dark_Falcon
If you mean Destro insulting and hassling PLL, I agree.
I have a suspicion that Destro is going to cross a line before much longer. He reminds me of some other former lizards in that respect. Though, I must admit, that may just be wishful thinking on my part…
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 17, 2013 7:02:55am |
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 17, 2013 7:05:29am |
re: #297 William Barnett-Lewis
I have a suspicion that Destro is going to cross a line before much longer. He reminds me of some other former lizards in that respect. Though, I must admit, that may just be wishful thinking on my part…
You really should check out GGT’s thread. Destro is clearly dancing the Butthurt Fandango.
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PhillyPretzel Sun, Mar 17, 2013 7:07:16am |
re: #299 Dark_Falcon
Very similar to Buck and his “two-step.” Check out what he tried to do with my page on Willard. littlegreenfootballs.com
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 17, 2013 7:11:20am |
re: #300 PhillyPretzel
Very similar to Buck and his “two-step.”
The cardinal difference being that Buck does not defend Bashir Assad and the 1990’s conduct of the Bosnian Serbs.
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PhillyPretzel Sun, Mar 17, 2013 7:12:21am |
re: #301 Dark_Falcon
True. But he does go to the edge.
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Mattand Sun, Mar 17, 2013 7:17:16am |
re: #220 wheat-dogghazi
Thinking out loud here, so to speak. I’ve been trying to understand how K Carl Smith could end up “being friends” with the white supremacist dude after that whole altercation. Here’s some ideas I had. What do you think?
1. Being a born-again Christian, Smith is looking to the hereafter and Paradise and doesn’t care too much about the temporal world in the present day. He may figure St. Peter will sort it all out at the Pearly Gates, so why make a fuss now?
2. Smith is emulating Jesus and turning the other cheek, hoping to win over his enemy with loving-kindness.
3. Smith is really stupid, and doesn’t understand that white supremacists would just as soon put him in chains or hang him from a tree than “be friends” with him.
4. Smith is an appeaser, hoping that a less militant attitude will win him support. (This strategy did not work, historically speaking, but see #3.)
5. Identifying as a Republican is way more significant and meaningful than one’s skin color, family history or attitude about race, so let’s be friends, K?That’s all I can pull out thin air for now.
I think #3 has some merit. I’m torn on the word “stupid”. Saw Smith’s website; he’s clearly an educated guy, but he’s trying to reason with people who think slavery was a choice for black people.
“Naive” is more diplomatic, I guess. But, in my limited experience, once someone decides racism is a rational thought process, they usually don’t come back.
#4 is absolutely dead on the money.
#1 may figure in as well. As the saying goes, religion makes smart people do stupid things.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 17, 2013 7:19:56am |
re: #302 PhillyPretzel
True. But he does go to the edge.
Yes, but unlike Destro Buck does not go over that line. Being near the line at all means you’ve got something of an attitude problem, but Destro keeps going past that right into Dirtbag County, and with the Balkans and Syria he’s kept on until reaching Vileville, the last stop on the Butthurt & Offensive (B&O (heh)) Line before Shithead City.
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William Barnett-Lewis Sun, Mar 17, 2013 7:23:58am |
re: #299 Dark_Falcon
You really should check out GGT’s thread. Destro is clearly dancing the Butthurt Fandango.
Which thread?
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William Barnett-Lewis Sun, Mar 17, 2013 7:24:52am |
re: #304 Dark_Falcon
Ok, gotta upding just for the B&O crack.
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wheat-dogghazi Sun, Mar 17, 2013 7:27:59am |
re: #303 Mattand
Thanks. I’m leaning toward #4, since he’s so fond of Douglass, who IIRC tried to avoid confrontation as much as possible. But #1 is also a likely factor, given my acquaintance with born-again people and their peculiar worldview.
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Charles Johnson Sun, Mar 17, 2013 7:31:36am |
re: #227 SunnyJane
Sorry, Charles, but the “rifle and rack” statement was not about boobs. It refers to hunting and moose (or deer, or whatever) and bringing home the rack, which is the animal’s antlers. Thus, “Todd got the rifle and I got the rack.”
Oh please. If you want to be deliberately obtuse, that’s your right, but everybody in that room knew it was a boob joke.
It amazes me, the kinds of transparently obvious deceptions right wingers will try to pull.
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wheat-dogghazi Sun, Mar 17, 2013 7:35:14am |
re: #308 Charles Johnson
Oh please. If you want to be deliberately obtuse, that’s your right, but everybody in that room knew it was a boob joke.
It amazes me, the kinds of transparently obvious deceptions right wingers will try to pull.
I think SunnyJane has taken her rack and left the room.
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Charles Johnson Sun, Mar 17, 2013 7:36:06am |
Unfortunately, it doesn’t amaze me at all to see who up-dinged that ridiculous comment.
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Eventual Carrion Sun, Mar 17, 2013 7:36:33am |
re: #309 wheat-dogghazi
I think SunnyJane has taken her rack and left the room.
But why is everyone ignoring Todd’s rifle?
//
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Kronocide Sun, Mar 17, 2013 7:38:42am |
re: #310 Charles Johnson
Unfortunately, it doesn’t amaze me at all to see who up-dinged that ridiculous comment.
It was a boob joke. A really bad one.
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wheat-dogghazi Sun, Mar 17, 2013 7:39:02am |
re: #311 Eventual Carrion
But why is everyone ignoring Todd’s rifle?
//
Todd was not at the podium. Only the big gulp was.
(I’m sure someone can work in an empty chair joke in here somehow.)
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Vicious Babushka Sun, Mar 17, 2013 7:40:24am |
I cleaned the dining room!
I cleaned my car!
Now just waiting for the truck to deliver the new furniture for the TV room!
That just leaves the rest of the week do clean the kitchen!
This year I am hiring a cleaning crew to do the fridge and the heavy scrubbing, it will cost a bunch but I work full time.
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Lidane Sun, Mar 17, 2013 7:41:36am |
re: #15 Shvaughn
Republicans don’t really understand humor very well.
These are the same people who try to say that Coultergeist is a comedian and satirist. They have no concept of what’s funny at all.
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Vicious Babushka Sun, Mar 17, 2013 7:44:32am |
DIM JIM: Long lines at the airport! ITZ OBAMUZ FAULT!1!1
Thug in Chief is screwing w #cpac13 conservatives at Reagan airport- long long security lines twitter.com/gatewaypundit/…— Jim Hoft (@gatewaypundit) March 17, 2013
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 17, 2013 7:44:58am |
re: #313 wheat-dogghazi
Todd was not at the podium. Only the big gulp was.
(I’m sure someone can work in an empty chair joke in here somehow.)
It doesn’t really fit. Clint Eastwood’s schtick with the empty chair is an example of a smart person doing something stupid. Sarah Palin’s Big Gulp was used to mock Michael Bloomberg’s soda ban and thus is an example of a correct point being made by a stupid person.
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wheat-dogghazi Sun, Mar 17, 2013 7:45:37am |
re: #316 Vicious Babushka
Only conservatives have to remove their shoes and pass through the body scanners. Libruls get a free pass.
//
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 17, 2013 7:46:18am |
re: #316 Vicious Babushka
DIM JIM: Long lines at the airport! ITZ OBAMUZ FAULT!1!1
Calling Barack Obama a “thug” makes absolutely no sense.
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Vicious Babushka Sun, Mar 17, 2013 7:46:45am |
DERP
Our Lady Liberty! #SarahPalin twitter.com/tnlawgirl/stat…— Patriot (@tnlawgirl) March 17, 2013
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 17, 2013 7:47:07am |
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wheat-dogghazi Sun, Mar 17, 2013 7:47:18am |
re: #317 Dark_Falcon
It doesn’t really fit. Clint Eastwood’s schtick with the empty chair is an example of a smart person doing something stupid. Sarah Palin’s Big Gulp was used to mock Michael Bloomberg’s soda ban and thus is an example of a correct point being made by a stupid person.
Right. Well, I never said I could do stand-up. Bu the big gulp (as someone may have mentioned earlier) does lend a double-entendre.
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 17, 2013 7:47:54am |
re: #316 Vicious Babushka
DIM JIM: Long lines at the airport! ITZ OBAMUZ FAULT!1!1
Was reading at TPM yesterday that Republicans on Capital Hill are already squealing like stuck pigs, demanding that their pet projects and federal expenditures (national parks, defense contracts, etc) be spared from the sequester because they’re absolutely sure that every agency in the federal government has 5% waste and duplication of efforts in their annual budgets that could be cut without a loss in services.
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PhillyPretzel Sun, Mar 17, 2013 7:48:08am |
re: #320 Vicious Babushka
No comparison I prefer the green one.
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Lidane Sun, Mar 17, 2013 7:51:00am |
re: #316 Vicious Babushka
DIM JIM: Long lines at the airport! ITZ OBAMUZ FAULT!1!1
Because Reagan Airport isn’t one of the busiest airports in the country.
Moron.
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wheat-dogghazi Sun, Mar 17, 2013 7:51:13am |
re: #319 Dark_Falcon
Calling Barack Obama a “thug” makes absolutely no sense.
Yeah, considering that the TSA was created under Bush Jr.’s watch, one can hardly blame Obama for it.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 17, 2013 7:51:44am |
re: #323 wheat-dogghazi
Right. Well, I never said I could do stand-up. Bu the big gulp (as someone may have mentioned earlier) does lend a double-entendre.
Only if someone emptied it over Sarah Palin’s head or if its contents were spiked. In the case of the former, she’d be as ‘all wet’ as her words. In the case of the latter, she’d have an excuse for talking in word salads like she did.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 17, 2013 7:53:07am |
re: #327 wheat-dogghazi
Yeah, considering that the TSA was created under Bush Jr.’s watch, one can hardly blame Obama for it.
It actually does make sense if Hoft is using ‘thug’ as a Dog Whistle.
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Lidane Sun, Mar 17, 2013 7:53:10am |
re: #328 Dark_Falcon
Except that every time Princess Dumbass of the Northwoods talks, word salad comes out.
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Lidane Sun, Mar 17, 2013 7:53:38am |
re: #329 Dark_Falcon
It actually does make sense if Hoft is using ‘thug’ as a Dog Whistle.
Of course he is. He knows his audience.
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kirkspencer Sun, Mar 17, 2013 7:53:57am |
re: #324 Targetpractice
Was reading at TPM yesterday that Republicans on Capital Hill are already squealing like stuck pigs, demanding that their pet projects and federal expenditures (national parks, defense contracts, etc) be spared from the sequester because they’re absolutely sure that every agency in the federal government has 5% waste and duplication of efforts in their annual budgets that could be cut without a loss in services.
Yep. Sequestration was supposed to be so painful across the board that avoiding the pain would force everyone to come to the table and do, well, something.
The real problem is that we’re not cutting fat any more. We haven’t been cutting fat. We have been, and continue to be, cutting muscle and bone. We’re a nation with an eating disorder, thinking we need to lose a few more pounds and really, really, we’ll be great. Though those fainting spells are a pain.
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Eventual Carrion Sun, Mar 17, 2013 7:53:58am |
re: #327 wheat-dogghazi
Yeah, considering that the TSA was created under Bush Jr.’s watch, one can hardly blame Obama for it.
Or DHS with their scary power and armaments.
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wheat-dogghazi Sun, Mar 17, 2013 7:54:27am |
re: #329 Dark_Falcon
It actually does make sense if Hoft is using ‘thug’ as a Dog Whistle.
Chicago thugs is the slur du jour.
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Decatur Deb Sun, Mar 17, 2013 7:56:00am |
That’s not a thug, this is a thug:
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The Ghost of a Flea Sun, Mar 17, 2013 8:05:28am |
Steubenville Football Players Found Guilty of Rape
A judge found Trent Mays and Ma’lik Richmond, two Steubenville high school football players, guilty on Sunday of raping a 16-year-old girl after a party in August 2012.
According to CNN, Judge Thomas Lipps announced his decision in the non-jury trial after four days of testimony. Mays, 17, and Richmond, 16, have been found delinquent (the juvenile equivalent of a guilty verdict) on all three counts as charged, and face the possibility of being jailed until they turn 21.
All to the good except something observed by a commenter:
Thrilled with the verdict, but really dismayed/disgusted that in his final summation the judge lectured on the perils of alcohol and social media and said NOT ONE WORD about consent, rape and treating women with respect.
This is what Zerlina Maxwell and Walter Mosley were talking about.
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Vicious Babushka Sun, Mar 17, 2013 8:09:23am |
Just delivered our new leather furniture set! I’m gonna watch TV tonight in luxury!
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 17, 2013 8:09:43am |
re: #336 The Ghost of a Flea
Steubenville Football Players Found Guilty of Rape
All to the good except something observed by a commenter:
This is what Zerlina Maxwell and Walter Mosley were talking about.
In short, the judge was less worried about the crime they committed than their doing shit that got them caught in the first place.
Yegods.
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RadicalModerate Sun, Mar 17, 2013 8:13:37am |
re: #320 Vicious Babushka
DERP
I wonder if the law firm that she belongs to knows that she retweets and follows more than a few white supremacists? Not the stealth type, either, but bonafide Stormfront and A3P members.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 17, 2013 8:14:21am |
re: #334 wheat-dogghazi
Chicago thugs is the slur du jour.
Well, there are thugs in Chicago, thousands of them. It’s just that Barack Obama isn’t one of then.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 17, 2013 8:15:04am |
re: #339 RadicalModerate
I wonder if the law firm that she belongs to knows that she retweets and follows more than a few white supremacists? Not the stealth type, either, but bonafide Stormfront and A3P members.
Well, you could try to figure out which firm that is then get her canned.
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SpaceJesus Sun, Mar 17, 2013 8:15:17am |
Happy Guinness for breakfast day, lgf
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BongCrodny Sun, Mar 17, 2013 8:17:21am |
re: #318 wheat-dogghazi
Only conservatives have to remove their shoes and pass through the body scanners. Libruls get a free pass.
//
Well, they’re probably carrying a lot of tinfoil, so TSA just needs to be certain.
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Political Atheist Sun, Mar 17, 2013 8:17:49am |
re: #342 SpaceJesus
And a Happy St Patricks day to all at LGF! My Irish wife will make us the traditional dinner tonight. Black And Tans to drink of course. Maybe a little Jamesons.
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Decatur Deb Sun, Mar 17, 2013 8:18:15am |
re: #342 SpaceJesus
Happy Guinness for breakfast day, lgf
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Was listening to The Tossers version 10 minutes ago.
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Political Atheist Sun, Mar 17, 2013 8:20:07am |
And another
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jaunte Sun, Mar 17, 2013 8:20:25am |
re: #320 Vicious Babushka
All true Patriots must be encouraged to consume as much sugar as they can hold.
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Vicious Babushka Sun, Mar 17, 2013 8:20:59am |
re: #339 RadicalModerate
I wonder if the law firm that she belongs to knows that she retweets and follows more than a few white supremacists? Not the stealth type, either, but bonafide Stormfront and A3P members.
She’s not a lawyer, just pretends to be one on Teh Internetz.
She might be an intern for Orly Taitz.
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kirkspencer Sun, Mar 17, 2013 8:22:31am |
re: #341 Dark_Falcon
Well, you could try to figure out which firm that is then get her canned.
ok, that bothers me.
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Decatur Deb Sun, Mar 17, 2013 8:23:43am |
re: #344 Political Atheist
And a Happy St Patricks day to all at LGF! My Irish wife will make us the traditional dinner tonight. Black And Tans to drink of course. Maybe a little Jamesons.
We prefer “Half and Half”, or as my British friend called it “A Tall Blonde in a Black Dress”.
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Lidane Sun, Mar 17, 2013 8:23:57am |
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 17, 2013 8:27:48am |
re: #350 kirkspencer
ok, that bothers me.
How so? If you report someone to their employer for close association with racists, the normal penalty that employer imposes in termination, in large part for liability reasons.
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Vicious Babushka Sun, Mar 17, 2013 8:28:29am |
House GOP votes down minimum wage increase.
RICE & GRUEL!!!1111
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Professor Chaos Sun, Mar 17, 2013 8:28:39am |
Apparently “because Al Gore” really is a wingnut argument.
Dinner with the folks last night. Dad says Palin gave a really good speech. Mom doesn’t hate her, but at least realizes there’s not much there. Told them both she’s a grifter. Mom says, “Like Al Gore?”
Dad watches Fox News all the time, Mom actually enjoys Fox and Friends, which never mind the propaganda is a just flat out stupid show. I don’t even bother talking politics with them anymore.
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Iwouldprefernotto Sun, Mar 17, 2013 8:30:10am |
re: #320 Vicious Babushka
DERP
Why is comparing the Statue of Liberty to Sarah Palin DERP? Both are hollow on the inside.
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Lidane Sun, Mar 17, 2013 8:31:08am |
One more, just because I’ve got this album playing right now:
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Political Atheist Sun, Mar 17, 2013 8:31:59am |
re: #353 Dark_Falcon
AFAIK-I’m responsible for my action to my employer while I’m on the clock. My time is my time. Of course we all despise the racists, but where does it stop? I’d hate to see people getting fired for how they socialize or vote or over their avocations.
If an employer wants to regulate my activity 24/7 they can damn well pay me 24/7. This is why employers asking for FB passwords are over the line.
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SpaceJesus Sun, Mar 17, 2013 8:32:33am |
re: #345 Decatur Deb
Good choice. Now I’m off to go eat a potato then get into a fight with me red haired wife over where the dole money’s gone to
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Decatur Deb Sun, Mar 17, 2013 8:34:26am |
re: #359 SpaceJesus
Good choice. Now I’m off to go eat a potato then get into a fight with me red haired wife over where the dole money’s gone to
Growing up Pittsburgh Irish, I knew what a ‘peace bond’ (restraining order) was before I knew about long division.
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William Barnett-Lewis Sun, Mar 17, 2013 8:39:05am |
re: #346 Political Atheist
Heh. I need to go dig out my Dropkick Murphys and Black 47 files.
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kirkspencer Sun, Mar 17, 2013 8:39:43am |
re: #353 Dark_Falcon
How so? If you report someone to their employer for close association with racists, the normal penalty that employer imposes in termination, in large part for liability reasons.
We’ve been through this circle before. I think that at the bottom it becomes a simple question: does your employer “own” you 24/7, or merely during work hours? (badly phrased intentionally. More appropriately, do you represent your employer 24/7, or merely during work hours?)
My rule of thumb boils down to this. If you make the effort to not involve your employer’s name, you do not represent the employer. This case, as unpalatable as I find her position, is an example. Why?
You have to do some digging to find her employer.
So your stated intent becomes is to inflict harm, to go out of your way to see that she is punished, for holding a political (and possibly moral) stance with which you disagree.
No. It’s wrong.
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BongCrodny Sun, Mar 17, 2013 8:41:17am |
re: #359 SpaceJesus
Good choice. Now I’m off to go eat a potato then get into a fight with me red haired wife over where the dole money’s gone to
Are you Andy Capp’s Irish cousin?
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Decatur Deb Sun, Mar 17, 2013 8:45:22am |
re: #361 William Barnett-Lewis
Heh. I need to go dig out my Dropkick Murphys and Black 47 files.
The more you dig, the more you find. The Prodigals, our favorite band, is headquartered at Paddy Reilly’s pub. That got us into him (ex-Dubliners) in the last year or so.
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CuriousLurker Sun, Mar 17, 2013 8:48:45am |
re: #358 Political Atheist
AFAIK-I’m responsible for my action to my employer while I’m on the clock. My time is my time. Of course we all despise the racists, but where does it stop? I’d hate to see people getting fired for how they socialize or vote or over their avocations.
If an employer wants to regulate my activity 24/7 they can damn well pay me 24/7. This is why employers asking for FB passwords are over the line.
I mostly agree, however if I were to make public statements in support of unsavory types—racists, criminals, radical extremist groups, etc.—while also making clear who my employer is, then I wouldn’t expect to keep my job for long. The tweeter in question doesn’t seem to have done that, so it’s a moot point in this case, but if she had it could pose serious problems for her employer.
As for employers asking for FB passwords, that WAY beyond the pale.
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Mattand Sun, Mar 17, 2013 8:49:03am |
re: #307 wheat-dogghazi
Thanks. I’m leaning toward #4, since he’s so fond of Douglass, who IIRC tried to avoid confrontation as much as possible. But #1 is also a likely factor, given my acquaintance with born-again people and their peculiar worldview.
The one born-again I have regular contact with likes to dance right up to the edge of complaining about those people. It would not surprise me if he’s suffering from Endangered White Man Syndrome as well.
Never ceases to amaze me how people who supposedly give their lives to Jesus so thoroughly fuck up his message.
Quite frankly, if you’re that dedicated to him, the last thing you should do is vote Republican.
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William Barnett-Lewis Sun, Mar 17, 2013 8:49:12am |
re: #364 Decatur Deb
Sounds good! Thanks for the heads up.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 17, 2013 8:50:52am |
re: #354 Vicious Babushka
The House did they right thing. Had such an increase passed, the result would have been a good number of lost jobs.
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Decatur Deb Sun, Mar 17, 2013 8:50:55am |
re: #359 SpaceJesus
Good choice. Now I’m off to go eat a potato then get into a fight with me red haired wife over where the dole money’s gone to
Red-Haired Mary
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 17, 2013 8:52:03am |
re: #368 Dark_Falcon
The House did they right thing. Had such an increase passed, the result would have been a good number of lost jobs.
No studies to back that up.
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BongCrodny Sun, Mar 17, 2013 8:53:17am |
I see the Dubliners do a version of Fields of Athenry.
Gotta say the rebel in me prefers the DKM version, but that’s an awfully pretty version.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 17, 2013 8:54:48am |
re: #358 Political Atheist
AFAIK-I’m responsible for my action to my employer while I’m on the clock. My time is my time. Of course we all despise the racists, but where does it stop? I’d hate to see people getting fired for how they socialize or vote or over their avocations.
If an employer wants to regulate my activity 24/7 they can damn well pay me 24/7. This is why employers asking for FB passwords are over the line.
In theory, yes, but in practice you’d still get canned unless you had a contract that didn’t allow them to do so (which a lawyer might actually have). A ‘at will” employee can simply be terminated without cause, and they’d likely do that.
And yes, I’d do that to such a racist. A someone who thinks Scott Terry is OK is a discrimination lawsuit waiting to happen.
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Charles Johnson Sun, Mar 17, 2013 8:54:59am |
re: #368 Dark_Falcon
The House did they right thing. Had such an increase passed, the result would have been a good number of lost jobs.
Nonsense. Not a single study of the effects of minimum wage increase has ever supported this right wing talking point.
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Decatur Deb Sun, Mar 17, 2013 8:55:15am |
re: #367 William Barnett-Lewis
Sounds good! Thanks for the heads up.
You’ve heard this one from the Armored Cav:
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Political Atheist Sun, Mar 17, 2013 8:56:27am |
re: #365 CuriousLurker
Well sure if you drag your employer into it that’s another issue. It crosses a visible line. It’s those invisible or overbearing lines that I object to.
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William Barnett-Lewis Sun, Mar 17, 2013 8:59:21am |
re: #368 Dark_Falcon
The House did they right thing. Had such an increase passed, the result would have been a good number of lost jobs.
The real world says otherwise.
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Political Atheist Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:01:19am |
re: #372 Dark_Falcon
Short of criminality, ones work should be judged on it’s own merits period. How about a Dem boss firing you for your views? It can happen with hire at will, and would be wrong. Where exactly does one draw the line?
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William Barnett-Lewis Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:01:40am |
re: #374 Decatur Deb
You’ve heard this one from the Armored Cav:
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Ah. Nice.
Till I clicked the youtube button I wondered if you were going with Garry Owen.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:01:57am |
re: #376 William Barnett-Lewis
The real world says otherwise.
I’ve got some stuff I’d like to say about that, but I don’t feel I can due to confidentiality.
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blueraven Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:02:29am |
re: #375 Political Atheist
Well sure if you drag your employer into it that’s another issue. It crosses a visible line. It’s those invisible or overbearing lines that I object to.
I am not so sure. It is a bit of a fuzzy area. What you do in private is your business of course. But is twitter private? You are potentially speaking to millions.
When you choose to publicize your privately held views, do you lose the protection you would ordinarily have because of that public action?
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kirkspencer Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:05:11am |
re: #368 Dark_Falcon
The House did they right thing. Had such an increase passed, the result would have been a good number of lost jobs.
Easily disprovable. The minimum wage has been increased before, all to the same predictions. Every time the prediction turned out to be wrong. So the onus is now on you to say why it’s different this time.
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kirkspencer Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:06:18am |
re: #380 blueraven
I am not so sure. It is a bit of a fuzzy area. What you do in private is your business of course. But is twitter private? You are potentially speaking to millions.
When you choose to publicize your privately held views, do you lose the protection you would ordinarily have because of that public action?
Again I think the key is whether you make an effort to disassociate (or prevent association) between you and your employer.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:07:21am |
re: #377 Political Atheist
Short of criminality, ones work should be judged on it’s own merits period. How about a Dem boss firing you for your views? It can happen with hire at will, and would be wrong. Where exactly does one draw the line?
If a person is a racist, then IMO management needs to get rid of them once they become aware of said racism. To continue to employ that individual would place the company at greatly increased risk were the company to be sued for discrimination if that person had any involvement with the discrimination whatsoever.
“Ladies and Gentlemen of the jury, this firm knew this person was a racist and continued to employ her! How can that not be proof my client was subjected to a hostile work environment?”
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Political Atheist Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:09:08am |
re: #380 blueraven
Just IMHO
If I make it clear my opinions are my own that should get me room to tweet. Of course it’s so easy to do this anonymously one might question the judgement. Personally I hate to hide. It feels cowardly.
On a far less consequential level than epic racism-
I had to make that separation clear during the gun control threads. I have my opinions that may or may not be shared by the rest of the board of directors. So I’m careful to point out these views are mine alone, separate from my associations in the sport or business.
I took some crap from some “no more regulation” people which is fair enough. But nobody (so far) has tried to get me fired from the board.
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b_sharp Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:10:06am |
re: #368 Dark_Falcon
The House did they right thing. Had such an increase passed, the result would have been a good number of lost jobs.
Up here in Canuckistan, you know that bastion of socialism and Progressivism (scary capital ‘P’), we have regular scheduled minimum wage increases, and guess what. No lost jobs!!
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:11:18am |
re: #385 b_sharp
Up here in Canuckistan, you know that bastion of socialism and Progressivism (scary capital ‘P’), we have regular scheduled minimum wage increases, and guess what. No lost jobs!!
That’s because you’re all a bunch of Godless socialists who are dependent on us to carry your asses!
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b_sharp Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:11:35am |
re: #370 Targetpractice
No studies to back that up.
The only thing I study is my navel. It hasn’t changed in 10 years (once I removed the family of lemmings living in it).
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dragonath Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:12:54am |
re: #291 FemNaziBitch
I hate people
Woah, there’s some insane historical revisionism going on in that thread. Stuff like this is going to drive me to drink early on this fine St. Patricks Day.
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b_sharp Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:15:30am |
re: #386 Targetpractice
That’s because you’re all a bunch of Godless socialists who are dependent on us to carry your asses!
You guys are willing to carry my ass, so I won’t have to? Great!
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:16:37am |
Hell, the whole “raising the minimum wage will kill jobs” bit doesn’t even pass the sniff test when you consider that there are several states that have higher minimum wages than the federal mandate and many actually enjoy higher employment than states that operate at the federally mandated minimum.
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b_sharp Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:17:55am |
re: #388 dragonath
Woah, there’s some insane historical revisionism going on in that thread. Stuff like this is going to drive me to drink early on this fine St. Patricks Day.
Good day for it.
My wife and I met on St. Patrick’s Day 37 years ago. We go out to celebrate every year.
I never get drunk enough.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:21:40am |
re: #388 dragonath
Woah, there’s some insane historical revisionism going on in that thread. Stuff like this is going to drive me to drink early on this fine St. Patricks Day.
No revisionism by me, I assure you. I’m one of the guys sticking to the facts. CL and Bratwurst are doing the same.
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Political Atheist Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:22:30am |
re: #383 Dark_Falcon
If a person is a racist, then IMO management needs to get rid of them once they become aware of said racism. To continue to employ that individual would place the company at greatly increased risk were the company to be sued for discrimination if that person had any involvement with the discrimination whatsoever.
“Ladies and Gentlemen of the jury, this firm knew this person was a racist and continued to employ her! How can that not be proof my client was subjected to a hostile work environment?”
Let me argue it this way. A hostile work environment is based on what happens at work. Agree or not-That’s a strong argument to a judge or jury I think. Imagine this argued well, maybe better than I can enunciate in a paragraph or two-
If said racist exhibits zero misconduct and good job performance the liability is wrongful termination. A hostile work environment would arguably be a place where the boss researches your personal life and attempts to interfere with it via his authority at work. That would result (possibly) in losing the job but keeping the paycheck. $$ for an employer trying or succeeding to squelch protected speech.
Of course this hypothetical verdict may come down to local demographics. And of course this kind of thing happens with little lies and bad reviews. But that kind of deception makes a damn liar & scoundrel out of the employer. That line you nor I would not cross.
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:23:38am |
And if higher minimum wages kill business because those companies that don’t fire employees will have to pass the costs onto the customers, then explain Costco, where the lowest starting wage is $11/hr.
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kirkspencer Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:25:47am |
re: #383 Dark_Falcon
If a person is a racist, then IMO management needs to get rid of them once they become aware of said racism. To continue to employ that individual would place the company at greatly increased risk were the company to be sued for discrimination if that person had any involvement with the discrimination whatsoever.
“Ladies and Gentlemen of the jury, this firm knew this person was a racist and continued to employ her! How can that not be proof my client was subjected to a hostile work environment?”
Objection, your honor. The plaintiff’s attorney is assuming facts not in evidence and is calling for for both conclusion and speculation.
Seriously, Dark. The only the firm knows is if someone makes the effort to tell the firm, or if the individual allows the knowledge to become common. So what you’re saying is that you want to go on a little vigilante trip and force the company to know her opinions, tie her to both opinions and company, so they have to fire her to protect themselves.
What you’re potentially risking in doing that, by the way, is a defamation suit, with intent to harm the individual. (Truth is not a defense against defamation in the US unless the individual is a public figure.)
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Decatur Deb Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:26:10am |
re: #391 b_sharp
Good day for it.
My wife and I met on St. Patrick’s Day 37 years ago. We go out to celebrate every year.
I never get drunk enough.
Drunken Warbler
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Political Atheist Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:27:36am |
re: #391 b_sharp
Good day for it.
My wife and I met on St. Patrick’s Day 37 years ago. We go out to celebrate every year.
I never get drunk enough.
Heh. Too bad we are so many zipcodes apart. It’s gonna get loud here tonight.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:29:12am |
re: #395 kirkspencer
Objection, your honor. The plaintiff’s attorney is assuming facts not in evidence and is calling for for both conclusion and speculation.
Seriously, Dark. The only the firm knows is if someone makes the effort to tell the firm, or if the individual allows the knowledge to become common. So what you’re saying is that you want to go on a little vigilante trip and force the company to know her opinions, tie her to both opinions and company, so they have to fire her to protect themselves.
What you’re potentially risking in doing that, by the way, is a defamation suit, with intent to harm the individual. (Truth is not a defense against defamation in the US unless the individual is a public figure.)
I was saying you could, not that you should.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:32:14am |
Destro is now lying about the Soviet invasion of the Baltic States in 1939 and he just insulted Curious Lurker for being religious.
Even if you’re an atheist, please downding him for that shitty insult. CL deserves better.
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kirkspencer Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:32:24am |
re: #383 Dark_Falcon
If a person is a racist, then IMO management needs to get rid of them once they become aware of said racism. To continue to employ that individual would place the company at greatly increased risk were the company to be sued for discrimination if that person had any involvement with the discrimination whatsoever.
“Ladies and Gentlemen of the jury, this firm knew this person was a racist and continued to employ her! How can that not be proof my client was subjected to a hostile work environment?”
By the way, having been peripheral to a hostile work environment case, your argument stinks even if the company knows. Hostile work environment requires demonstration that individuals ACTED in hostile fashion. Being racist isn’t enough. Did she verbally belittle? Did she deny benefits or access? Did she do things to you that she did to others of the same race and never (key word) to anyone of her own race? AND THEN, can you document that the company leadership was aware of this and refused to act?
That’s a pretty good line in the closing statement, but you’d better have backed all the numbers before you say it or you’re going to lose - point by point by point.
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kirkspencer Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:34:33am |
re: #398 Dark_Falcon
I was saying you could, not that you should.
sigh.
So you were actively defending your position right up till I reminded you that the law bites both ways. And your defense now is, “It was just a hypothetical.”
ok.
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CuriousLurker Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:37:26am |
re: #399 Dark_Falcon
Destro is now lying about the Soviet invasion of the Baltic States in 1939 and he just insulted Curious Lurker for being religious.
Even if you’re an atheist, please downding him for that shitty insult. CL deserves better.
Thanks, DF, I appreciate your defense, but no amount of down-dinging is going to change his behavior. He lacks the intellectual honesty & social skills necessary to engage in rational, adult conversation, so he hurls insults when challenged.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:37:27am |
re: #401 kirkspencer
sigh.
So you were actively defending your position right up till I reminded you that the law bites both ways. And your defense now is, “It was just a hypothetical.”
ok.
No, I never advocated reporting the person. Someone wondered aloud what her employer would think of her hanging out with racists, and that prompted my comment.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:38:35am |
re: #402 CuriousLurker
Thanks, DF, I appreciate your defense, but no amount of down-dinging is going to change his behavior. He lacks the intellectual honesty & social skills necessary to engage in rational, adult conversation, so he hurls insults when challenged.
I know, but that’s why I also reported his comment to Charles.
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Political Atheist Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:44:19am |
re: #402 CuriousLurker
Thanks, DF, I appreciate your defense, but no amount of down-dinging is going to change his behavior. He lacks the intellectual honesty & social skills necessary to engage in rational, adult conversation, so he hurls insults when challenged.
I hate it when good thick challenging Pages get all ugly like that. Ordinarily I just scroll Destro. I get his thing, I don’t agree don’t care to argue. You are right to ponder pulling it.
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dragonath Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:45:16am |
re: #402 CuriousLurker
Thanks, DF, I appreciate your defense, but no amount of down-dinging is going to change his behavior. He lacks the intellectual honesty & social skills necessary to engage in rational, adult conversation, so he hurls insults when challenged.
You know- I actually used the report button for the first time here. I’m getting tired of these personal insults. It was a perfectly good page, too.
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kirkspencer Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:49:38am |
from 341
Well, you could try to figure out which firm that is then get her canned.
from 372
And yes, I’d do that to such a racist. A someone who thinks Scott Terry is OK is a discrimination lawsuit waiting to happen.
from 383
If a person is a racist, then IMO management needs to get rid of them once they become aware of said racism. To continue to employ that individual would place the company at greatly increased risk were the company to be sued for discrimination if that person had any involvement with the discrimination whatsoever.
Bluntly, that chain looks a lot like you’re advocating it. Shades, perhaps, of “will noone rid me of this meddlesome priest.”
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b_sharp Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:52:18am |
re: #397 Political Atheist
Heh. Too bad we are so many zipcodes apart. It’s gonna get loud here tonight.
Back from filling my face.
Yah I wish I could get together with you and other lizards to party. It would be a gas.
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William Barnett-Lewis Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:54:33am |
re: #404 Dark_Falcon
I know, but that’s why I also reported his comment to Charles.
As did I. It’s gotten to the point where he is no longer contributing anything of value to LGF.
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CuriousLurker Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:00:28am |
re: #405 Political Atheist
I hate it when good thick challenging Pages get all ugly like that. Ordinarily I just scroll Destro. I get his thing, I don’t agree don’t care to argue. You are right to ponder pulling it.
Same here—I generally just GAZE right past him, but since this was my Page I felt I needed to address his BS.
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blueraven Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:02:19am |
re: #408 kirkspencer
from 341
from 372
from 383
Bluntly, that chain looks a lot like you’re advocating it. Shades, perhaps, of “will noone rid me of this meddlesome priest.”
Well if you replace “I would” with “one could”, that still leaves the company in a vulnerable place.
People are always outing others on the internet. You do not have to advocate that position for it to be true.
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CuriousLurker Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:04:10am |
re: #407 dragonath
You know- I actually used the report button for the first time here. I’m getting tired of these personal insults. It was a perfectly good page, too.
Yeah, the insult was a weird non sequitur.
re: #410 William Barnett-Lewis
As did I. It’s gotten to the point where he is no longer contributing anything of value to LGF.
I had a feeling he’d come along and somehow turn it into another anti-America rant. Looks like I was right.
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dragonath Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:04:46am |
re: #411 CuriousLurker
Same here—I generally just GAZE right past him, but since this was my Page, I felt I needed to address his BS.
Bigotry is bigotry. It needs to be addressed.
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Gus Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:07:08am |
re: #413 CuriousLurker
Yeah, the insult was a weird non sequitur.
re: #410 William Barnett-Lewis
I had a feeling he’d come along and somehow turn it into another anti-America rant. Looks like I was right.
Funny how someone that’s allegedly against a particular set of extremists can be so supportive of another particular set of extremists. All over the map that one.
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Interesting Times Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:08:22am |
re: #411 CuriousLurker
Same here—I generally just GAZE right past him, but since this was my Page, I felt I needed to address his BS.
I confess I initially gave him the benefit of the doubt, mostly due to the fact he posted some really good Pages and was, at times, capable of making perfectly sensible comments - the ones that weren’t sensible, I figured, were just mild trolling, no big deal.
But then, as we all know, it got worse and worse. Breaking point for me was his minimization and borderline denial of the rape camps/genocide the Serbs inflicted against the Bosnians.
If someone is a near-constant troll, that’s one thing, but when they show they can be sensible, and choose to troll anyway, that makes it worse for me.
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CuriousLurker Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:14:12am |
re: #417 Interesting Times
I confess I initially gave him the benefit of the doubt, mostly due to the fact he posted some really good Pages and was, at times, capable of making perfectly sensible comments - the ones that weren’t sensible, I figured, were just mild trolling, no big deal.
But then, as we all know, it got worse and worse. Breaking point for me was his minimization and borderline denial of the rape camps/genocide the Serbs inflicted against the Bosnians.
If someone is a near-constant troll, that’s one thing, but when they show they can be sensible, and choose to troll anyway, that makes it worse for me.
THIS, although I gave up on him long before the Bosnian thing. I don’t have nearly as much patience with asshattery as some of the rest of you do. ;)
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Political Atheist Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:16:23am |
May I lighten the mood a bit?
‘Cause after all…
There’s No One As Irish As Barack Obama
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CuriousLurker Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:17:08am |
re: #419 Political Atheist
May I lighten the mood a bit?
‘Cause after all…
There’s No One As Irish As Barack Obama
Thanks, we needed that! LOL
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b_sharp Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:17:13am |
re: #413 CuriousLurker
Yeah, the insult was a weird non sequitur.
re: #410 William Barnett-Lewis
I had a feeling he’d come along and somehow turn it into another anti-America rant. Looks like I was right.
If someone wants to bring up the atrocities done to the North American aboriginals by European colonists I have no problem with that, it was devastating to their communities and I live with people suffering from the effects of those practices every day. Nor do I have a problem with people bringing up the stupidity of politicians, whether they be from the US or Canada, because I don’t view the people in the country synonymous with the actions of elected officials.
I do have a problem when the hate just drips off of the words so vilely you can almost smell it. When that hate extends to others here it passes the line where banning should be considered.
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kirkspencer Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:20:39am |
re: #412 blueraven
Well if you replace “I would” with “one could”, that still leaves the company in a vulnerable place.
People are always outing others on the internet. You do not have to advocate that position for it to be true.
Irrelevant to the point. DF wasn’t advocating (or hypothesizing) on outing as outing. He was specifying it with the intent of getting this individual canned.
Let’s face it, he also flicked a sore point we’ve been to before. He invoked “right to work” states, where firing without cause is completely acceptable. Of the many problems with the RtW clause, that’s probably the worst. What it allows is for employers to operate as though you belong to them 24/7. Refuse to give your FB or blog or other social media passwords? bye. Belong to the wrong party or wrong hobbies? bye. Everything you do gets to be run defacto through your employer’s approval.
It also gives cover to discriminatory firings. Oops, you go to the wrong church? You’re the wrong sex or race? Well, we’ll let the furor over the discovery die down, but then “bye”. And unless you’ve got a smoking gun and sufficiently deep pockets you can’t prove a darn thing.
So yeah, part of it is splash from that issue. Because it’s basically what it appeared, unintended or not, DF was advocating.
We don’t like her politics. Let’s get her fired.
[edited: Alternately, and more accurate:
We don’t like her politics. You know, we could get her fired.
No.]
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CuriousLurker Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:22:52am |
re: #421 b_sharp
If someone wants to bring up the atrocities done to the North American aboriginals by European colonists I have no problem with that, it was devastating to their communities and I live with people suffering from the effects of those practices every day. Nor do I have a problem with people bringing up the stupidity of politicians, whether they be from the US or Canada, because I don’t view the people in the country synonymous with the actions of elected officials.
I do have a problem when the hate just drips off of the words so vilely you can almost smell it. When that hate extends to others here it passes the line where banning should be considered.
Well said. The intense hatred poisons threads and shuts down discourse.
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kirkspencer Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:25:20am |
re: #424 Gus
ATT. Grrr.
When the defense is, “Well at least it’s not Comcast,” you know the bar gets flooded at low tide.
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Varek Raith Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:26:40am |
re: #426 kirkspencer
When the defense is, “Well at least it’s not Comcast,” you know the bar gets flooded at low tide.
Lol.
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Amory Blaine Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:28:25am |
Suck down another 2 liter!! Corporate America loves you!!”
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Gus Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:32:09am |
re: #425 b_sharp
Wttts uppp?
Crappy connx.
As far as the American/NA atrocities are concerned, my family landed here in 1962. Other than one cousin who was effectively and anchor baby and is my age the only Murican born family members are in their 30s. I also come from a long line of non-combatant artists, service worker and agrarian peoples.
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Charles Johnson Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:33:04am |
re: #421 b_sharp
And I am indeed considering it. This isn’t a simple case because he sometimes contributes good things, but insults like those are getting on my very last nerve.
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blueraven Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:43:43am |
re: #422 kirkspencer
Irrelevant to the point. DF wasn’t advocating (or hypothesizing) on outing as outing. He was specifying it with the intent of getting this individual canned.
Let’s face it, he also flicked a sore point we’ve been to before. He invoked “right to work” states, where firing without cause is completely acceptable. Of the many problems with the RtW clause, that’s probably the worst. What it allows is for employers to operate as though you belong to them 24/7. Refuse to give your FB or blog or other social media passwords? bye. Belong to the wrong party or wrong hobbies? bye. Everything you do gets to be run defacto through your employer’s approval.
It also gives cover to discriminatory firings. Oops, you go to the wrong church? You’re the wrong sex or race? Well, we’ll let the furor over the discovery die down, but then “bye”. And unless you’ve got a smoking gun and sufficiently deep pockets you can’t prove a darn thing.
So yeah, part of it is splash from that issue. Because it’s basically what it appeared, unintended or not, DF was advocating.
We don’t like her politics. Let’s get her fired.
I agree. But my point was that once you put yourself out there in the public sphere, you really have no control. If you are going to make very controversial comments via twitter, facebook or other social media, you should expect scrutiny.
I personally am not for outing people in general, although I haven’t been overly sad to see some who were outed…such as that reddit dude with the violent porn, racism & misogyny; Violentacrez.
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Gus Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:46:36am |
I think it’s funny too how most of those New World atrocities are blamed on Americans by chain smoking pseudo intellectuals in urban cafes scoffing at our obese bodies and Wal-Mart shopping tendencies when in fact most it was done before the invention of the United States of America. It was the Europeans that committed those atrocities. The worst being the Spanish conquistadors. The New World is literally a European invention.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:49:58am |
re: #432 Gus
I think it’s funny too how most of those New World atrocities are blamed on American by chain smoking pseudo intellectuals in urban cafes scoffing at our obese bodies and Wal-Mart shopping tendencies when in fact most it was done before the invention of the United States of America. It was the Europeans that committed those atrocities. The worst being the Spanish conquistadors. The New World is literally a European invention.
I thought the Europeans came here to shop AT Wal Mart!!
/
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Feline Fearless Leader Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:55:02am |
Good afternoon Lizards! And a happy St Patrick’s Day to those of Irish descent and others choosing to celebrate it simply for the sake of it.
Took a walk around in the cold (right around freezing here in Central Philly) for the sake of the exercise and some fresh air. Was taking pictures of things with the iPhone if it interested me as well.
Lots of bars decorated in green, but I didn’t take any pictures of those. :p
Settling down to a late lunch. Tomato soup, fresh bread, and a nice cup of tea.
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efuseakay Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:56:16am |
See! We (CPAC) aren’t sexist! A woman made a boob joke!
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Gus Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:57:06am |
re: #433 sattv4u2
I thought the Europeans came here to shop AT Wal Mart!!
/
Yeah. Oh what a burden we Americans carry. Apparently the Napoleonic Wars were atrocity free as was the French Revolution. The European colonization of Africa was also atrocity free. Then there’s Germany and Austria. That’s just a for starters. But, America. “Yes, I’ll have another mocha latte and do you have a light?”
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Eclectic Cyborg Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:59:22am |
GOP “voter outreach plan” is part of RNC ‘autopsy’ recommendations
Priebus will unveil the entire plan — titled the Growth and Opportunity Project — Monday morning at the National Press Club.
Another announcement from Priebus Sunday was that the party will invest $10 million in an outreach program that will send “hundreds” of staffers to cities around the country.
“Our party’s had a real quality of context problem,” he said. “We have become a party that parachutes into communities four months before an election and while that’s how we’ve operated for years and years … in comparison to the other side, the Obama campaign lived in these communities for years. The relationships were deep.”
The staffers would be placed in communities across the country, particularly minority communities. They will become “a part of the community on an ongoing basis, paid for by the RNC to make the case for our party and our candidates,” he said.
Having a long-standing presence in these communities, he said, will help the party prevent episodes like Todd Akin’s “legitimate rape” comments last summer from turning people off of the GOP altogether.
“If you’re not talking to people, and the level of familiarity isn’t there, then silly things like Todd Akin and some of the goofy things that were said … there’s no relationship to explain anything,” he said.
Priebus noted that the GOP’s review is unprecedented.
“You don’t see too many political parties or organizations around Washington that put all their cards face up on the table and that’s what we did,” Priebus said. “This is unprecedented but it’s something we had to do.”
Ultimately, this will help Republicans get their message out to voters in a way they can relate to, he said.
Oh yeah, this is going to work well.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Mar 17, 2013 11:00:04am |
re: #436 Gus
Yeah. Oh what a burden we Americans carry. Apparently the Napoleonic Wars were atrocity free as was the French Revolution. The European colonization of Africa was also atrocity free. Then there’s Germany and Austria. That’s just a for starters. But, America. “Yes, I’ll have another mocha latte and do you have a light?”
Atrocities between humans only started in 1776
Prior to that, all was daisies and unicorns
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Stanley Sea Sun, Mar 17, 2013 11:06:07am |
So, I cancelled my niece the cleaning girl because I just want to be lazy and not do all the pre-clean clean. Blah.
Happy St. Patrick’s Day!
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b_sharp Sun, Mar 17, 2013 11:09:43am |
re: #432 Gus
I think it’s funny too how most of those New World atrocities are blamed on Americans by chain smoking pseudo intellectuals in urban cafes scoffing at our obese bodies and Wal-Mart shopping tendencies when in fact most it was done before the invention of the United States of America. It was the Europeans that committed those atrocities. The worst being the Spanish conquistadors. The New World is literally a European invention.
Sorry, but you can’t pick and choose which portions of history you inherit. The colonization of North America was directly responsible for the development of the US and Canada. We as North Americans enjoy the benefits that colonization resulted in.
Whether the the countries of USofA and Canada existed at the time of initial colonization is irrelevant, there is a causal chain of events that started with initial contact, and reaches us in the 21st century. Because our ancestors, and by that I mean civilizational ancestors, not necessarily genetic ancestors, refused to deal with the abuses handed out to aboriginals, which happened both before and after the establishment of our two countries, somewhere along the line the debt needs to be paid.
We can’t change history, but we can acknowledge how history affects cultures for longer periods than just during the events, in fact long after, and give the members of those cultures help to overcome the lasting effects.
Things like placing them into small geographic areas without a replacement for their traditional hunting areas makes them reliant on outside food sources, making them beggars.
Tearing their kids away from their families to force assimilation by killing their language and religious beliefs, puts those kids into a position on return to their communities where they are unable to cope with problems unique to those communities. It was social engineering destined to fail.
We don’t have to sit in the corner weeping about how poorly we treated other cultures, but we do have to acknowledge the problems inherent in the system as it is and take intelligent steps to help those communities deal with and fix those problems.
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Varek Raith Sun, Mar 17, 2013 11:10:22am |
re: #441 Stanley Sea
So, I cancelled my niece the cleaning girl because I just want to be lazy and not do all the pre-clean clean. Blah.
Happy St. Patrick’s Day!
pre-clean clean?
Oddball.
:P
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b_sharp Sun, Mar 17, 2013 11:16:41am |
re: #438 sattv4u2
Atrocities between humans only started in 1776
Prior to that, all was daisies and unicorns
Both of you are manufacturing straw arguments. Most of human history includes one culture abusing others, and much of the friction in Europe is because of some of those abuses.
That doesn’t mean we ignore problems we see here and now that can be traced to bad decisions made through hundreds of years.
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Stanley Sea Sun, Mar 17, 2013 11:20:54am |
re: #443 Varek Raith
pre-clean clean?
Oddball.
:P
I have stuff laying on every existing surface. I’m messy this week.
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b_sharp Sun, Mar 17, 2013 11:22:48am |
re: #445 Stanley Sea
I have stuff laying on every existing surface. I’m messy this week.
I’m glad you didn’t say every exposed surface.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Sun, Mar 17, 2013 11:32:11am |
re: #432 Gus
I think it’s funny too how most of those New World atrocities are blamed on Americans by chain smoking pseudo intellectuals in urban cafes scoffing at our obese bodies and Wal-Mart shopping tendencies when in fact most it was done before the invention of the United States of America. It was the Europeans that committed those atrocities. The worst being the Spanish conquistadors. The New World is literally a European invention.
We did plenty on our own to the American Indians, after we were the United States.
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Vicious Babushka Sun, Mar 17, 2013 11:47:18am |
re: #356 Iwouldprefernotto
Why is comparing the Statue of Liberty to Sarah Palin DERP? Both are hollow on the inside.
“I lift my Big Gulp beside the Golden Arch.”
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stabby Sun, Mar 17, 2013 12:30:16pm |
I suppose I won’t get any response mentioning an early comment on a dead thread, but about the Republicans lying to get us into the Iraq war.
1) Yes it was shocking, watching Maddow document how blatantly and deliberately they set up the lie. And to me the scary thing is the possibility that they believed their own lie DESPITE having endless evidence that they were wrong.
2) but at the time, I was obsessed over trying to understand the middle east, reading translations of their newspapers .. And I supported the war for other reasons. Remember Saddam gassing the Kurds? I remember pictures of streets where children died on their bicycles. I remember piles of the bodies of neighborhoods. Remember the Iran/Iraq war? And from the newspapers I was getting a picture of a region drenched in unrelenting hatred, in triumphalist fantasy, in sectarian hatred and oppression, where hatred is manufactured and stockpiled as if it was a weapon, where it is considered a virtue and a duty.
3) my regrets aren’t that we got into a war through lies. After all we USUALLY get into wars through lies (and in the case of Vietnam it wasn’t a Republican administration that started lying to us). At least in the case of Iraq, there were people in Washington prominently arguing for invading Iraq for reasons OTHER than the official ones. One could discern reasons that weren’t diplomatically acceptable enough to go to the UN with, nor could they really be sold to the public. But they might have been the real reasons. Remember the idealism of hoping that we could bring liberalism, liberal democracy, etc to the middle east? I know it’s a normal thing to sell anyway, but it is a region that NEEDS liberal attitudes more than any other, and whose societies have done an amazing job of excluding them.
4) but in the end Iraq was a disappointment. It is probably good that we got the Bathist/Sunni foot off of the Shiite and Kurds’ necks. But we didn’t bring reconciliation between the groups. Sunnis still don’t condemn Saddam, despite his genocidal actions and oppression of majorities (not minorities!). They feel that being overlords was their place, and Shiite pilgrims still get blown up by the hundreds. Though at least friction between Al Qaeda and the tribes, and the experience of oppression under Al Qaeda’s thumb brought and end to support for that movement even among Iraqi Sunnis, and brought an effective cleansing of the countryside of Al Qaeda operatives.
5) people I respect on Iraq, people who go there and study the place shrug their shoulders when asked if the war did more harm than good. They say it’s too early to tell or it’s a wash or they can’t tell… Micheal Totten and people he respects… (by the way he has left PJ - he was the last non-nutcase to leave. He once mentioned that they paid him to be there and he knew it would be bad for his reputation. He has a new place and a few books on the middle east). I haven’t read him in a long time but here he is worldaffairsjournal.org
6) We can’t afford more wars in the middle east. We better be done there. It’s so strange that the Republicans think we can’t afford Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security but they think we can afford a long war with Iran.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Sun, Mar 17, 2013 12:41:23pm |
re: #449 stabby
. But they might have been the real reasons. Remember the idealism of hoping that we could bring liberalism, liberal democracy, etc to the middle east? I know it’s a normal thing to sell anyway, but it is a region that NEEDS liberal attitudes more than any other, and whose societies have done an amazing job of excluding them.
Those were the stupidest reasons to invade.
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stabby Sun, Mar 17, 2013 12:55:21pm |
re: #450 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut
And the other reasons I gave? Oppression of Shiites and Kurds, multiple uses of poison gas on civilians (ie massacre, genocide), triumphalism, a million dead in the PREVIOUS war he caused…
And the point of bringing an opening for liberalism is not that liberalism is so great, but that the alternative is a continuation of societies that promote sectarian war, triumphalism, massacre, endless oppression, hatred etc. Do remember the Bath party’s roots in Nazism.
And we hoped to change the region, not out of mere altruism but to “drain the swamp”.
I may have mentioned before but Egyptian peace and democracy activist Ali Salem (an amazing man, one of the few pure, articulate and prominent liberals in the region) seemed to support the war saying:
“There’s a bedoin saying that you beat the dog to scare the lions”
An admittedly cynical, but realistic take that implies that we were trying to make an example of Saddam, to scare other enemies. He also pointed out the Bath party’s Nazi roots and suggested that the war in Iraq should be considered the last part of World War II.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 17, 2013 1:00:12pm |
re: #422 kirkspencer
Actually, I wasn’t invoking “right to work”; I was invoking “at will employment” which often exists even in states that are not “right to work” such as Illinois and Wisconsin.
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stabby Sun, Mar 17, 2013 1:24:40pm |
Another point is that post-hoc arguments over a war are useless unless they’re serious ones that could be used in other situations.
I was very disappointed both before and during the Iraq war on the lack of morally serious arguments against the war by its many opponents. They refused to engage on the history or on the real moral or even practical issues.
Instead, they felt that inarticulate outrage and vacuous, unsupported moral posturing was what was called for.
If “that’s stupid” is the best argument you can come up with, then you will forever be useless in debates that should happen when a war is possible or taking place.
I was open to arguments against the war, but no one, not one person was willing to encompass the realities of the situation while taking a position against the war.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Sun, Mar 17, 2013 2:37:02pm |
re: #451 stabby
And the other reasons I gave? Oppression of Shiites and Kurds, multiple uses of poison gas on civilians (ie massacre, genocide), triumphalism, a million dead in the PREVIOUS war he caused…
Also all really stupid reasons to invade, especially since we aided and abetted that previous war.
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stabby Sun, Mar 17, 2013 2:46:04pm |
Who is WE? I don’t remember voting for the Iran/Iraq war. I don’t remember George W Bush supporting the Iran/Iraq war, so any mistake to that end isn’t his responsibility.
And when I said “triumphalism” I didn’t mean Iran/Iraq, I meant an ongoing fascist fantasy of conquest.
And we supported gassing the Kurds and gassing Iranian villages? Really? Of course we didn’t.
And the simplistic assumption that there is a single entity called United States that must support all past mistakes and statements despite being ruled by a succession of administrations, congresses and by the whole of the people is horrible fallacy and sidestep. It’s not intellectually or morally serious.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Sun, Mar 17, 2013 3:07:48pm |
re: #455 stabby
Who is WE?
The United States.
And when I said “triumphalism” I didn’t mean Iran/Iraq, I meant an ongoing fascist fantasy of conquest.
And we supported gassing the Kurds and gassing Iranian villages? Really? Of course we didn’t.
We supported Iraq while they were doing those things. We officially condemned their use, but we didn’t let it stop us arming Iraq.
And the simplistic assumption that there is a single entity called United States that must support all past mistakes and statements despite being ruled by a succession of administrations, congresses and by the whole of the people is horrible fallacy and sidestep. It’s not intellectually or morally serious.
I have no clue what you’re talking about. History actually does matter. We can’t pretend we haven’t done the things we have in the past, especially when we’re, say, invading a nation where the reception of our invasion is going to be highly colored by our past actions.
It was looney-tunes to think that we’d be accepted as honestly trying to build a democracy in the Middle East.
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jamesfirecat Sun, Mar 17, 2013 5:23:11pm |
re: #368 Dark_Falcon
The House did they right thing. Had such an increase passed, the result would have been a good number of lost jobs.
Show me proof that raising the minim wage has ever lead to people being fired.
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stabby Sun, Mar 17, 2013 5:52:48pm |
I have no clue what you’re talking about.
Look it’s simple you said that “we” can’t oppose a nearly genocidal and maximally oppressive regime because a former American administration “aided and abetted him”.
It’s a morally repulsive position. Let me pose an only slightly exaggerated thought experiment. If an American administration made the horribly immoral blunder of giving aid to a regime while it was committing genocide, does that mean that the following American administration also has to support genocide otherwise it is showing hypocrisy? Of course not. Does that mean that the following American administration has to show support for that genocidal regime just because the previous one did? Of course not. There is no “American policy” there is only a series of American governments each free to make a new policy. Opponents of genocide don’t have to give up their policy fight just because they failed to sway a previous administration.
The most effective way for an administration to reverse the damaged of the precedent of the US supporting a genocidal regime would be for the US to topple the genocidal regime that a previous administration supported.
Also as to:
History actually does matter. We can’t pretend we haven’t done the things we have in the past, especially when we’re, say, invading a nation where the reception of our invasion is going to be highly colored by our past actions.
It was looney-tunes to think that we’d be accepted as honestly trying to build a democracy in the Middle East.
1) How our democracy works isn’t a mystery. The rest of the world can understand that our policy changes, just as you should.
2) If history matters, then so does the history where we successfully built a democracy in Japan and rebuilt one in Germany. They certainly COULD take us seriously. It is anything but “loony tunes”
3) It matters more what they want for themselves and can believe they’re capable of than what they think of us.
4) The stories of us arming Saddam are possibly exaggerated. It’s an odd fact that polemicists loved to exaggerate America’s belligerence. It’s ironic that the Soviet Union probably armed Saddam mostly, while socialist polemicists were accusing the US of being to blame.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Sun, Mar 17, 2013 6:00:36pm |
re: #458 stabby
I have no clue what you’re talking about.
Look it’s simple you said that “we” can’t oppose a nearly genocidal and maximally oppressive regime because a former American administration “aided and abetted him”.
No, I didn’t. If you just keep making shit up that I say, there’s no point in talking to you. You just keep having that conversation with yourself.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Sun, Mar 17, 2013 6:01:02pm |
re: #458 stabby
4) The stories of us arming Saddam are possibly exaggerated. It’s an odd fact that polemicists loved to exaggerate America’s belligerence. It’s ironic that the Soviet Union probably armed Saddam mostly, while socialist polemicists were accusing the US of being to blame.
Instead of just operating from your assumptions, how about actually looking into it?
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stabby Sun, Mar 17, 2013 6:32:19pm |
re: #459 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut
No, I didn’t. If you just keep making shit up that I say, there’s no point in talking to you. You just keep having that conversation with yourself.
You’re going to have to take the time to write comments that communicate ideas instead of just communicating your status as intellectually and morally superior by just saying “stupid stupid loony tunes” etc
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