History Channel’s Incredibly Obama-Like Satan

Coincidence? We don’t think so.
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I was ready to dismiss this story as an over-reaction: History Channel’s Satan Looks a Lot Like Barack Obama.

…until I read this: Hollywood Couple Created ‘The Bible’ Mini-Series to ‘Set the Record Straight’.

First, the reality TV show guru Mark Burnett — the man who made Donald Trump a TV star and “you’re fired” a household catch-phrase, who changed the television landscape with “Survivor,” which just debuted its 27th season, and created the ever-popular “Shark Tank” and “The Voice” — is now taking on a project truly biblical in scale.

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“The Bible is the foundation of this nation, of our laws, of our society,” Burnett said. “There wouldn’t have been the Declaration of Independence. President Obama swore his allegiance to all of us not on one Bible, on Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.’s Bible and Abraham Lincoln’s bible last month. It’s on our money: ‘In God We Trust.’”

Nope. It’s not a coincidence, and this is far from the first time the religious right has foisted this scary horror story on their gullible followers.

See:
Fly Lands on Obama’s Face, World Net Daily Raves About Satan - Update: Satan Discovered Writing for WND
Glenn Beck: Obama = Lucifer (W/ Flames)
Glenn Beck Plays the Satan Card

(h/t: jaunte.)

UPDATE at 3/17/13 8:35:22 pm

Mark Burnett was also the producer of “Sarah Palin’s Alaska.”

UPDATE at 3/17/13 9:11:38 pm

Glenn Beck is also convinced this is no coincidence:

UPDATE at 3/17/13 10:03:30 pm

More context on the ideology behind this show: Roma Downey and Mark Burnett: Why Public Schools Should Teach the Bible.

The Bible has affected the world for centuries in innumerable ways, including art, literature, philosophy, government, philanthropy, education, social justice and humanitarianism. One would think that a text of such significance would be taught regularly in schools. Not so. That is because of the “stumbling block” (the Bible again) that is posed by the powers that be in America.

It’s time to change that, for the sake of the nation’s children. It’s time to encourage, perhaps even mandate, the teaching of the Bible in public schools as a primary document of Western civilization.

We know firsthand of its educational value, having grown up in Europe—Mark in England, Roma in Ireland—where Bible teaching was viewed as foundational to a well-rounded education. Now that we are naturalized U.S. citizens, we want to encourage public schools in America to give young people the same opportunity.

This is one of the reasons we created “The Bible,” a 10-part miniseries premiering March 3 on the History Channel that dramatizes key stories from Scriptures. It will encourage audiences around the world to open or reopen Bibles to understand and enjoy these stories.

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554 comments

1 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 8:25:44pm

I’d dismiss it as well, but for the photo. That’s just too close to Obama to be a coincidence.

2 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 8:28:28pm

Oh dear lord:

First, the reality TV show guru Mark Burnett — the man who made Donald Trump a TV star and “you’re fired” a household catch-phrase, who changed the television landscape with “Survivor,” which just debuted its 27th season, and created the ever-popular “Shark Tank” and “The Voice” — is now taking on a project truly biblical in scale.

3 jaunte  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 8:29:07pm

Satan played by Mohamen Mehdi Ouazanni
Among other roles, previously seen as ‘Hassan’ in The Four Feathers.

4 Kragar (Antichrist )  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 8:29:23pm

I see David Barton’s influence.

5 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 8:29:50pm

Looks more like Mark Lenard to me, but then again I’m not pathologically obsessed with Barack Obama.

6 Kragar (Antichrist )  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 8:30:20pm

re: #2 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Oh dear lord:

So in other words, he’s King Turd of Bandini Mountain.

7 Kragar (Antichrist )  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 8:31:46pm

I guess they had to work in the Obama look alike to appease Bryan Fischer who got pissed they weren’t sufficiently homophobic

8 jaunte  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 8:31:51pm
“We believe the Bible,” Burnett said. “However, on this project, there’s only one way to approach this. You have to take the Bible as a fact.”

“We have run into people that have thought, believe it or not, that Joan of Arc was Noah’s wife, or that Sodom and Gomorrah lived happily ever after,” Downey said. “And [we] thought, if nothing else, just to set the record straight.”

How they’re doing on that setting the record straight, from one reviewer:

In the story of Sodom and Gomorrah, (yes, I know it’s the same scene I wrote about yesterday) when Lot confronts the mob clamoring to “know” his guests, he offers them his daughters instead saying “Let me bring them out to you, and you may do to them whatever you wish”; behavior which would not win him a Father of the Year award. I would say this sounds awful out of the context of the time, but I’m not sure it could ever sound good. The Bible (film) deals with this uncomfortable bit of scripture by leaving it out.
butnotyet.com

9 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 8:32:25pm

re: #5 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Looks more like Mark Lenard to me, but then again I’m not pathologically obsessed with Barack Obama.

“Live long, and prosper.”

10 Charles Johnson  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 8:33:33pm

Everyone else in this series is very British and very white.

The same guy produced “Sarah Palin’s Alaska.”

11 jaunte  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 8:34:32pm

Lol.

Joel Rieves says:
March 4, 2013 at 1:23 pm

Hey, I can’t help it if I’m a glass half full kind of guy. Actually, any hopes I had were dashed as soon as I saw that Rick Warren and Joel Osteen felt it was worthy of screening and study groups in their churches.
butnotyet.com

12 freetoken  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 8:36:16pm

Yes, this “Bible” series has gotten very much a push by the usual subjects, because of its overt religiosity.


Thing is, the series is not really an accurate recounting of the Bible stories. Real Bible scholars have lamented this. Instead, the series was explicitly designed to convey messages.

This is what goes as “history” on American television.

13 simoom  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 8:37:43pm

I can’t see how that would have made it through production without a lot of people going “WTF!?” which implies someone going to bat for the decision.

14 freetoken  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 8:37:51pm

BTW, it was commenting on this production that got Bill O’ in hot water with the Protestant fundamentalists, when O’Reilly dared to wonder, on his show, if everything in the Bible is literally true.

15 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 8:38:01pm

re: #8 jaunte

How they’re doing on that setting the record straight, from one reviewer:

Reminds me of the much ballyhooed readings of the Constitution at the opening of the last session of Congress, when the GOP conveniently skipped over those portions that were a might disagreeable in the present, such as the 3/5th compromise.

16 b_sharp  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 8:39:03pm

re: #12 freetoken

Yes, this “Bible” series has gotten very much a push by the usual subjects, because of its overt religiosity.

Thing is, the series is not really an accurate recounting of the Bible stories. Real Bible scholars have lamented this. Instead, the series was explicitly designed to convey messages.

This is what goes as “history” on American television.

Isn’t that always the way with the far right? Accuracy loses out to the narrative.

17 BongCrodny  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 8:40:16pm

I was actually enjoying “Shark Tank” for a while.

I may be disremembering some of the plot points here, so anyone who may have watched the episode, feel free to correct me.

The moment of clarity for me came when they featured a segment with a rabbi who had invented a device that hooked up to Ipads, which would curve the sound so that the sound waves went to the viewer and not off to the sides.

It cost $1 to make and his start up was selling them for $12 through a bunch of places, and they had a letter of interest from a major pharmacy/ department store chain.

One of the plutocrats wanted to invest, but only if they could ship the whole operation over to China, where they could manufacture the things for four cents each.

The rabbi refused.

The shark bowed out. $11 profit on a $12 sale wasn’t enough for him; he needed to have the $11.96 profit.

No thanks, Mr. Burnett. I’m glad your made your millions off Donald Trump and Richard Hatch and all those other fucking nitwits — but if that’s the culture you’re peddling, I want nothing to do with it.

18 Charles Johnson  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 8:41:10pm

I can hardly believe the shit these people are pulling here. Seriously. WTF. How does something like this actually get produced without someone going, “Uh, wait a sec, folks…”

19 Interesting Times  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 8:43:21pm

re: #18 Charles Johnson

I can hardly believe the shit these people are pulling here. Seriously. WTF. How does something like this actually get produced without someone going, “Uh, wait a sec, folks…”

It’s a feature, not a bug.

No such thing as bad publicity! Let’s milk and exploit the elderly WND demographic for all they’re worth!!1!

20 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 8:44:28pm

re: #18 Charles Johnson

I can hardly believe the shit these people are pulling here. Seriously. WTF. How does something like this actually get produced without someone going, “Uh, wait a sec, folks…”

Oh, I’m sure there was plenty of money to grease the wheels on this one. Plus the History Channel in recent years has ditched the whole historical bit, hence it’s new motto “History Made Every Day.”

21 Lidane  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 8:45:06pm

re: #18 Charles Johnson

I can hardly believe the shit these people are pulling here. Seriously. WTF. How does something like this actually get produced without someone going, “Uh, wait a sec, folks…”

Yiou’re talking about the same “History” Channel that had devolved into shows about aliens, Hitler, conspiracy theories, and conspiracy theories about aliens and Hitler. Now they have shows about pawn shops and rednecks who live in the swamp.

They’re not about history and haven’t been for years.

22 jaunte  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 8:45:13pm

re: #18 Charles Johnson

Sort of like all the people in the past five or six years who found it handy to use a ‘tar-baby’ analogy in public speeches. “Who, me? it’s a common phrase.”

23 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 8:45:22pm

re: #14 freetoken

BTW, it was commenting on this production that got Bill O’ in hot water with the Protestant fundamentalists, when O’Reilly dared to wonder, on his show, if everything in the Bible is literally true.

That was inevitable, given that O’Reilly as a Catholic is part of a Christian branch that does not believe in biblical literalism.

24 Kid A  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 8:45:34pm

Oh, for fuck’s sake.

25 b_sharp  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 8:47:19pm

re: #24 Kid A

Oh, for fuck’s sake.

For god’s sake.

26 Lidane  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 8:50:19pm

re: #1 Dark_Falcon

That’s just too close to Obama to be a coincidence.

Because it’s not. The gibbering mouthbreathers on the right that make up the GOP base take it as an article of faith that Obama is the Antichrist.

27 freetoken  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 8:51:04pm

re: #23 Dark_Falcon

That was inevitable, given that O’Reilly as a Catholic is part of a Christian branch that does not believe in biblical literalism.

I can’t find the segment on Youtube with O’Reilly interviewing the Bible series couple, but after that run in O’Reilly then, a week later, had to bring a popular fundamentalist preacher to chew over the problem of creationism:

Anyway, yes, the creators of The Bible are on a mission, clearly, and as part of that mission if they needed to they would cast Satan as an Obama look-a-like.

28 stabby  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 8:52:08pm

They’re selling “Obama is Satan”?

Well, yay!

On the same subject is it really possible that Rick Santorum or someone as crazy as him will be the ‘pubs next nominee?

29 jaunte  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 8:52:20pm

The Bible(ish): Brought to you by Hearst:

News of the project comes more than a month after Burnett joined forces with Hearst Corp. to form a 50:50 media, production and events-based joint venture.

As part of the deal, Hearst, a co-owner of History parent A&E Television Networks, acquired a substantial stake in Burnett’s existing production business.
christianfilmdatabase.com

30 b_sharp  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 8:53:16pm

re: #27 freetoken

I can’t find the segment on Youtube with O’Reilly interviewing the Bible series couple, but after that run in O’Reilly then, a week later, had to bring a popular fundamentalist preacher to chew over the problem of creationism:

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Anyway, yes, the creators of The Bible are on a mission, clearly, and as part of that mission if they needed to they would cast Satan as an Obama look-a-like.

Bill “The tide comes in, the tide goes out. You can’t explain that” O’Reilly has no credibility. For anything.

31 Charles Johnson  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 8:54:52pm

Before tomorrow morning we’ll have a right wing commenter swearing up and down that we’re all crazy, no way this looks like Obama, it’s satire, etc.

32 Lidane  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 8:56:29pm

re: #31 Charles Johnson

Before tomorrow morning we’ll have a right wing commenter swearing up and dow that we’re all crazy, no way this looks like Obama, it’s satire, etc.

I eagerly await Dim Hoft’s response to this post. No doubt he’ll blame Obama for forcing the producers of this show to cast a look-alike as Satan because of Obamacare or gay marriage or something.

33 simoom  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 8:56:35pm

re: #31 Charles Johnson

Before tomorrow morning we’ll have a right wing commenter swearing up and dow that we’re all crazy, no way this looks like Obama, it’s satire, etc.

They’ll need to delete their tweets beforehand then:

34 Mattand  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 8:56:35pm

I don’t think it looks like Obama, IMO. My bigger issue is that they chose a black guy to play the Devil. That’s a Freudian slip the size of Noah’s Ark, especially given Burnett’s implied God-bothering and “We’re a Christian nation” horseshit.

EDIT: For the record, the zombie target dummy mentioned a few weeks back was absolutely modeled on Obama.

35 BongCrodny  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 8:57:02pm

Talking snakes, burning bushes that also talk, people turned into pillars of salt, old men that live to be 900, people losing their strength because their hair has been cut, trumpets that blow down walls.

It’s true! It’s all true!!

36 jaunte  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 8:57:38pm

re: #34 Mattand

Not just any black guy, a black guy named Mohamen.

37 simoom  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 8:58:35pm

Actually Glenn Beck noticed two days ago. From the previews or something?

38 freetoken  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:00:06pm

re: #34 Mattand

An African looking individual, with a funny, Arabic sounding name…

Just a coincidence, I’m sure.

The actor looks similar to President Obama, though it is not a particularly close match.

But yes, putting the only dark skinned actor as “Satan” harkens back to the whole Noah story and the condemning of an entire race based on the belief that Africans are descended from the son of Noah who looked upon his father’s “nakedness”.

39 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:00:30pm

re: #37 simoom

Oh My.

40 Charles Johnson  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:00:39pm

re: #33 simoom

They’ll need to delete their tweets beforehand then:

Yup. Not a coincidence.

41 jaunte  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:02:13pm
42 jaunte  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:02:53pm
43 jaunte  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:04:05pm

The History Channel official historian has got to be the easiest job ever.

44 Kragar (Antichrist )  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:06:24pm

re: #43 jaunte

The History Channel official historian has got to be the easiest job ever.

When in doubt… Aliens!

45 freetoken  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:06:47pm

re: #44 Kragar (Antichrist )

When in doubt… Aliens!

Pyramids!

46 jaunte  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:06:53pm

“Yes, I have read Berlin Diary, the Arms of Krupp, and Chariots of the Gods.”

You’re hired!

47 Kragar (Antichrist )  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:07:22pm

re: #45 freetoken

Pyramids!

Same thing.

48 Gus  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:07:37pm

Mah brain.

49 Mattand  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:07:53pm

re: #38 freetoken

An African looking individual, with a funny, Arabic sounding name…

Just a coincidence, I’m sure.

The actor looks similar to President Obama, though it is not a particularly close match.

But yes, putting the only dark skinned actor as “Satan” harkens back to the whole Noah story and the condemning of an entire race based on the belief that Africans are descended from the son of Noah who looked upon his father’s “nakedness”.

Here’s the two side-by-side.

There’s some similarity, but I think that’s a happy accident for Burnett. The bolded part is spot-on, though. I will not be surprised in the slightest to find out that Burnett is a hardcore, Ken Ham, Earth-is-6000-year-old creationist.

50 freetoken  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:09:03pm

re: #47 Kragar (Antichrist )

Same thing.

Well, now, you see, there are the Alien Nazis with their Underwater Pyramids, and then there are the Roswell Grays, which don’t have pyramids but do have Flying Saucers and experiment with Sasquatch.

51 SpaceJesus  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:10:19pm

The Viking show had much promise, but I think it’s got a fair amount of Christian proselytizing in it as well

52 freetoken  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:10:59pm

re: #49 Mattand

The similarity is there to suggest, to imply, otherwise it might seem even too farcical for some involved in the production.

The idea is to reinforce the beliefs of the magical-thinking American, some of whom do indeed justify their racism with their religion.

53 The Ghost of a Flea  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:12:37pm

Frederick Douglass Republicans Wrong About Frederick Douglass, Everything Else

Realistically, FD Republicans, there is no way to know what Frederick Douglass would think of today’s world because he is fucking dead. That is the nice thing about appropriating a dead guy’s image as a symbol for your own movement: he is not around to tell you that you are a giant jag-off.

Which brings us to this video where K. Carl Smith tells a roomful of patriots at a Tea Party boot camp what it means to be a Frederick Douglass Republican. As best we can tell, he simply appropriates the name Frederick Douglass, adds the word Republican to the end of it, inserts some blather about freedom and liberty, and presto! He has created a foolproof shibboleth to ward off the accusations of racism that dastardly liberals forever hurl at the Tea Party. Not required, obviously: a fact-based understanding of Frederick Douglass’s life and work.

K. Carl Smith, you fit in perfectly in the modern Republican Party. Not because of your politics, but because you are a two-bit huckster selling Rocco Farnsworth’s Amazing Phantasmagoric Race-Neutralizing Tonic to a bunch of rubes with the collective IQ of dryer lint. You’re a goddamn hero of capitalism.

Through most of time, history has existed largely as propaganda. The concept of accuracy and not immediately taking a side is a relative new and fragile thing. And through most of time, that propagandic history has been to use justify horrible stuff, to shield ignorant people from uncomfortable facts, and to manipulate folks.

54 Gus  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:13:48pm

Scott Terry agrees! This interpretation of the bible is awesome! Jesus was a good white Caucasian and the Debil was a ni-CLANG!

55 Mattand  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:14:25pm

re: #52 freetoken

The similarity is there to suggest, to imply, otherwise it might seem even too farcical for some involved in the production.

The idea is to reinforce the beliefs of the magical-thinking American, some of whom do indeed justify their racism with their religion.

I haven’t watched the series, but I’m guessing the majority of the cast would blend into a snow drift with little difficulty.

The fact that Burnett is brining in “diversity” by casting the lone African dude as the Lord of All Evil is, at best, mind-numbingly tone deaf.

56 simoom  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:15:15pm

The actual actor seems to look very little like like Pres. Obama. It’s the shade they darkened the skin and the lips to, the eyebrows, the painted on contouring, his longer hair hidden by a hoodie, etc. that’s achieved the effect:

Image: Mehdi Ouazzani

57 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:16:13pm

Satan is black and looks like Barack Obama and Jesus is white and looks like Brad Pitt.

Of course.

58 jaunte  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:16:20pm

Image: RomaDowneyasMary.png

Mother Mary has a miraculously sculptural nose.

59 Gus  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:16:59pm

Oh, I wish I was in the land of cotton, old times they are not forgotten, look away, look away, look away, Dixie Land.

60 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:17:20pm

re: #51 SpaceJesus

The Viking show had much promise, but I think it’s got a fair amount of Christian proselytizing in it as well

It pretty much has to, since a show that makes good guys out of the people who raided and ransack monetarists is not going to be well received by those whose Christianity is more than vestigal. Even those who are religious and liberal hate that sort of thing.

61 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:18:12pm

BTW, from what I have seen, this series leaves out all of the good parts of the Bible. No Solomon and Sheba? GTFO!

62 jaunte  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:18:41pm
63 jaunte  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:19:16pm
64 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:19:29pm

re: #57 moderatelyradicalliberal

Satan is black and looks like Barack Obama and Jesus is white and looks like Brad Pitt.

Of course.

A short, brown, Jewish guy playing the Son of God? Heaven forbid!!

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65 Mattand  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:19:40pm

At least Burnett was fairly accurate about casting Jesus, as this picture demonstrates.

(h/t to Curious Lurker)

66 The Ghost of a Flea  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:22:41pm

Nonso Anozie played Samson in this series.

67 Gus  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:23:03pm

Orientalism.

68 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:23:33pm

re: #64 Targetpractice

A short, brown, Jewish guy playing the Son of God? Heaven forbid!!

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I would have settled for a dark skinned Italian. I just can’t believe they went with blonde hair and blue eyes.

69 Kragar (Antichrist )  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:25:39pm

re: #57 moderatelyradicalliberal

Satan is black and looks like Barack Obama and Jesus is white and looks like Brad Pitt.

Of course.

Just like in the Bible.

70 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:25:48pm

re: #68 moderatelyradicalliberal

I would have settled for a dark skinned Italian. I just can’t believe they went with blonde hair and blue eyes.

Not really surprising. Nothing seemed to make religious nuts teeth grind more than when that picture of hypothetical Jesus, based upon historical and scientific knowledge of the people of the region at the time, was made public. Hell, it still seems to irk them something fierce if you point out that he was likely a Jewish rabbi.

71 freetoken  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:25:53pm

re: #66 The Ghost of a Flea

Nonso Anozie played Samson in this series.

As Peter Enns mentioned:

I have no more idea why they made Samson black than I do why they made Noah Scottish

72 Gus  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:27:18pm

The original Jews were Arabs. They were likely much like Palestinians. Being an Arab does not denote religion. There are Christian Arabs. There are Muslim Arabs. There are Jewish Arabs. Jesus, if there was such a person, was not Irish.

73 AlexRogan  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:28:16pm

re: #56 simoom

The actual actor seems to look very little like like Pres. Obama. It’s the shade they darkened the skin and the lips to, the eyebrows, the painted on contouring, his longer hair hidden by a hoodie, etc. that’s achieved the effect:

Image: Mehdi Ouazzani

Which still says that this was wholly intentional.

I’d say to the “History” Channel, “shame on you!”, for buying Burnett’s BS series, putting it on-the-air, and History owner Hearst also buying a 50% stake in his production company, but after pretty much morphing themselves into the Aliens, Conspiracies, and Faux-Reality Channel over the past few years of so, I doubt they have any shame left.

74 Kragar (Antichrist )  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:28:18pm

re: #72 Gus

The original Jews were Arabs. They were likely much like Palestinians. Being an Arab does not denote religion. There are Christian Arabs. There Muslim Arabs. There are Jewish Arabs. Jesus, if there was such a person, was not Irish.

Why do you hate America?
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75 Skip Intro  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:28:57pm

re: #70 Targetpractice

Hell, it still seems to irk them something fierce if you point out that he was likely a Jewish rabbi.

Not just likely. That’s exactly what he was, an apocalyptical Jewish rabbi.

76 The Ghost of a Flea  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:31:49pm

re: #71 freetoken

As Peter Enns mentioned:

I’m actually kind of…digesting…that the one central character cast as black is the real big, real violent guy.

Like, is that tokenism with like some other creepy stuff folded in. Because, hey, why Nonso have played Moses?

77 freetoken  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:33:47pm

re: #72 Gus

The original Jews were Arabs.

No. Even if you discount that the original Israelites are best described as Caananite hill people, and only want to target the post-Bablyonian-capture “Judahites” who returned to build the “second temple”, what we’re discussing are segments of the larger Semitic speaking group. It’s a fine distinction, not unlike differentiating between different tribes of Eastern North American natives pre-Columbus.

This message is brought to you as a public service of your local society of pedants.

78 Skip Intro  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:34:33pm

re: #73 AlexRogan

Which still says that this was wholly intentional.

I’d say to the “History” Channel, “shame on you!”, for buying Burnett’s BS series, putting it on-the-air, and History owner Hearst also buying a 50% stake in his production company, but after pretty much morphing themselves into the Aliens, Conspiracies, and Faux-Reality Channel over the past few years of so, I doubt they have any shame left.

The “History” channel is just another one of the hundreds of garbage channels that Directv dumps into my house because it’s the only way I can get the five channels I do watch. At least they do allow me to block all the crap channels I don’t have any interest in, unlike my local cable provider.

79 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:35:21pm

re: #76 The Ghost of a Flea

I’m actually kind of…digesting…that the one central character cast as black is the real big, real violent guy.

Like, is that tokenism with like some other creepy stuff folded in. Because, hey, why Nonso have played Moses?

Nonsense, that would imply that the Egyptians were actual Africans or some shit. How could Moses have possibly blended in?

It could have been worse. He could have been cast as Noah’s son Ham You know with the curse and all.

80 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:35:23pm

These people are so incredibly lame.

81 Gus  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:37:51pm

re: #77 freetoken

No. Even if you discount that the original Israelites are best described as Caananite hill people, and only want to target the post-Bablyonian-capture “Judahites” who returned to build the “second temple”, what we’re discussing are segments of the larger Semitic speaking group. It’s a fine distinction, not unlike differentiating between different tribes of Eastern North American natives pre-Columbus.

This message is brought to you as a public service of your local society of pedants.

Still. They weren’t blonde people.

Image: Canaanites_Book_of_Gates.png

82 simoom  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:38:25pm

Adam Baldwin, actor & brietbart columnist, seems to have both noticed & seems to think it’s win-win for his folks:



83 jaunte  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:39:10pm

re: #82 simoom

help increase notoriety for @bibleseries

Oh, what a dilemma!

84 jaunte  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:39:48pm
85 freetoken  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:40:13pm

re: #81 Gus

Still. They weren’t blonde people.

Those were my ancestors, such as Skaði, goddess of skiing (whose hair may have been red, not blonde) and Odin.

86 dragonath  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:41:28pm

Yeah, but can he sing Al Green?

87 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:41:37pm

re: #82 simoom

Adam Baldwin, actor & brietbart columnist, seems to have both noticed & seems to think it’s win-win for his folks:

These people are so fucking petty.

88 jaunte  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:41:39pm
89 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:42:20pm

re: #88 jaunte

Seriously, she should be uses to it by now.

90 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:42:50pm

re: #88 jaunte

She must be infuriated, like, all the time.

91 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:43:29pm

re: #90 Pawn of the Oppressor

She must be infuriated, like, all the time.

Exactly.

92 The Ghost of a Flea  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:43:42pm

The predictable arc of this:

1. The usual suspects gloat about how Satan looks like Obama.
2. The usual suspects howl about how deranged liberals are for observing that Satan looks like Obama because that’s ridiculous and insane.
3. The usual suspects gloat about how sensitive liberals are about Satan looking like Obama, and how they don’t have a sense of humor.
4. The usual suspects will go back to their regular activities, like comparing Obama to Satan and citing scriptural proofs that Obama is the Antichrist.

93 jaunte  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:45:05pm

Today in biblical literalism.

94 Lidane  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:45:57pm

re: #88 jaunte

Dear Goldie,

Hai. Welcome to 2013. Humanity has been fighting over their competing beliefs in mythical sky fathers for thousands of years.

Glad you could finally join us in the real world.

Sincerely,
Me

95 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:46:04pm

So they manage to make a Bible series that leaves all of the politically incorrect parts out (gay bashing, misogyny, incest, etc.), but still manage to sneak in a shot at the POTUS. Got it.

Fuck these people with rusty pitchforks.

96 simoom  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:46:50pm

Mediaite picked up the story:
mediaite.com

Yahoo! News’s political reporter Chris Moody:

97 wheat-dogghazi  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:47:13pm

I wonder how anyone can presume to “set the record straight” about the Bible, when no one has been able to agree on what it says exactly for the last 3,000 or more years.

98 AlexRogan  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:47:43pm

re: #82 simoom

Adam Baldwin, actor & brietbart columnist, seems to have both noticed & seems to think it’s win-win for his folks:

When noted RWNJs such as Beck and Baldwin noticed this and comment with approval, Burnett, History, and Hearst can’t just hand-wave it away to everyone else.

This was completely on purpose, red meat for the hardcore RRWNJs; they loves them some Biblical apocalypse and retribution stories, which is why, as moderatelyradicalliberal noted above from what they’ve seen of it, the more “liberal” parts of the Bible seem to have been left on the cutting room floor.

99 AlexRogan  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:48:26pm

re: #87 moderatelyradicalliberal

These people are so fucking petty.

They are, indeed, petty fuckers.

First-class.

100 jaunte  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:48:44pm

Meanwhile in the material word, geomagnetic storming is underway as Earth passes through the wake of the coronal mass ejection, and comet Pan-STARRS has a fragment coming out of the nucleus:
spaceweather.com

101 dragonath  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:49:12pm

re: #97 wheat-dogghazi

I wonder how anyone can presume to “set the record straight” about the Bible, when no one has been able to agree on what it says exactly for the last 3,000 or more years.

I like doing it duophysitistically

102 The Ghost of a Flea  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:50:27pm

re: #97 wheat-dogghazi

I wonder how anyone can presume to “set the record straight” about the Bible, when no one has been able to agree on what it says exactly for the last 3,000 or more years.

Well, certainly nobody’s going to ask the rabbis that have been discussing the Old Testament for, you know, millenia.

103 Tigger2005  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:51:14pm
“The Bible is the foundation of this nation, of our laws, of our society,” Burnett said. “There wouldn’t have been the Declaration of Independence.”

Why, then, were Christian societies not democracies for over 1,300 years? And only became so after the Enlightenment and the waning of the power of the Church?

How I wish Thomas Jefferson could come back and bitch-slap these idiots into next week.

104 darthstar  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:51:32pm

Damn that Satan’s an attractive fellow.

Evenin’ everyone.

105 freetoken  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:53:07pm

re: #97 wheat-dogghazi

I wonder how anyone can presume to “set the record straight” about the Bible, when no one has been able to agree on what it says exactly for the last 3,000 or more years.

More like 2300 years, if we are speaking of the “Old Testament” to use Christian terminology.

And, a great deal has been learned the past few decades, from archeology, that contradict what the redactors wrote.

This message is brought to you as a public service of your local society of pedants. Not a 501c(3) organization.

106 HappyWarrior  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:53:36pm

I really hate the attempts to link the ideas of liberty with religious faith. Yeah totally explains why the Enlightenment came when people were using reason and not relying on religious faith alone to use logic and reasoning. Or why the most tyrannical societies have been ones that use a holy book as the rule of law.

107 The Ghost of a Flea  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:54:15pm

Oh man, read the Wikipedia entry for this show.

Look at that consultant list and show this show wasn’t tailor-built for American Protestant social conservatives.

Also, bonus theocracy:

…before the series premiere, Downey and Burnett authored an op-ed for The Wall Street Journal arguing that Bible teaching should be mandatory in U.S. public schools because “(t)he foundations of knowledge of the ancient world — which informs the understanding of the modern world — are biblical in origin.”

108 wheat-dogghazi  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:55:01pm

re: #105 freetoken

More like 2300 years, if we are speaking of the “Old Testament” to use Christian terminology.

And, a great deal has been learned the past few decades, from archeology, that contradict what the redactors wrote.

This message is brought to you as a public service of your local society of pedants. Not a 501c(3) organization.

Pedant cage match coming up. I thought some parts of the OT dated back to at least the 6th century BC, and some stories are suspected of being much older oral traditions.

109 jaunte  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:55:38pm
Burnett says making The Bible allowed him to have a new relationship with his faith. Whereas he once found some spiritual rules “a bit threatening” he came to appreciate the text in a more profound way.

I guess he’s feeling more relaxed about the whole ‘false witness’ thing.

110 HappyWarrior  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:56:36pm

Hmmm I see that both Burnett and his wife have been divorced each at least one. Another morals for thee but not for me couple, I see. Lovely.

111 freetoken  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:56:59pm

re: #108 wheat-dogghazi

Not in the form we have them today. Pretty clearly the redactors worked with all sorts of material, but all we have today is what they produced, and some of that likely in Greek in Egypt.

112 dragonath  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:57:13pm

re: #107 The Ghost of a Flea

“(t)he foundations of knowledge of the ancient world — which informs the understanding of the modern world — are biblical in origin.”

Aristotle, Hippocrates, and Ptolemy say hello…

113 HappyWarrior  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:57:58pm

re: #112 dragonath

Aristotle, Hippocrates, and Ptolemy say hello…

Followed by a wave by Homer and Sun Tzu.

114 jaunte  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:58:10pm

re: #112 dragonath

I am receiving your aetheric reverberations.

115 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:59:07pm

re: #107 The Ghost of a Flea

Oh man, read the Wikipedia entry for this show.

Look at that consultant list and show this show wasn’t tailor-built for American Protestant social conservatives.

Also, bonus theocracy:

These ignorant fucks. The knowledge from the ancient world long pre-dates the Bible and there were numerous ancient cultures developing and advancing with no need of any of the Abrahamic faiths, including even Western civilization. The ancient Greeks weren’t Christians. There was a whole lot of shit going on before Abraham and before Jesus that have informed the human race and modern world.

These people are so goddamned stupid. I just can’t with these fools.

116 freetoken  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 9:59:16pm

What is that I hear? A few pharaohs rolling over in their sarcophagi?

118 Gus  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:01:23pm

There ain’t no such thing as Satan anyway.

119 jaunte  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:02:16pm

re: #117 Charles Johnson

“It’s time to encourage, perhaps even mandate, the teaching of the Bible in public schools as a primary document of Western civilization.”

But we love the Constitution.

120 freetoken  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:03:44pm

re: #118 Gus

There ain’t no such thing as Satan anyway.

Well, then, who’s sitting in the Oval Office?

121 jaunte  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:04:02pm
122 Charles Johnson  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:04:08pm

Wow. Roma Downey and Mark Burnett: Why Public Schools Should Teach the Bible.

The Bible has affected the world for centuries in innumerable ways, including art, literature, philosophy, government, philanthropy, education, social justice and humanitarianism. One would think that a text of such significance would be taught regularly in schools. Not so. That is because of the “stumbling block” (the Bible again) that is posed by the powers that be in America.

It’s time to change that, for the sake of the nation’s children. It’s time to encourage, perhaps even mandate, the teaching of the Bible in public schools as a primary document of Western civilization.

123 Kragar (Antichrist )  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:04:19pm

re: #112 dragonath

Aristotle, Hippocrates, and Ptolemy say hello…

The Viking Skalds will include you in the Sagas.

124 HappyWarrior  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:04:57pm

re: #119 jaunte

“It’s time to encourage, perhaps even mandate, the teaching of the Bible in public schools as a primary document of Western civilization.”

But we love the Constitution.

Because hundreds of years of civilization before the Bible just shouldn’t count.

125 darthstar  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:05:06pm

re: #122 Charles Johnson

Wow. Roma Downey and Mark Burnett: Why Public Schools Should Teach the Bible.

I’m all for teaching the bible in public schools…fewer people would read it.

126 jaunte  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:05:10pm

Straight up theocrats.

127 HappyWarrior  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:05:38pm

re: #121 jaunte

I liked the one where Moses tried to pawn off the animals in his ark.

128 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:05:38pm

re: #122 Charles Johnson

Wow. Roma Downey and Mark Burnett: Why Public Schools Should Teach the Bible.

But make sure you don’t bring up the Quran in schools, because that’s against the 1st Amendment and we don’t want our kids learning no terrorist religion anyway.

129 The Ghost of a Flea  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:06:10pm

re: #115 moderatelyradicalliberal

These ignorant fucks. The knowledge from the ancient world long pre-dates the Bible and there were numerous ancient cultures developing and advancing with no need of any of the Abrahamic faiths, including even Western civilization. The ancient Greeks weren’t Christians. There was a whole lot of shit going on before Abraham and before Jesus that have informed the human race and modern world.

These people are so goddamned stupid. I just can’t with these fools.

And the ancient Greeks were building upon tech and ideas that came from the ancient Egyptians, at least a dozen Middle Eastern civilizations that had risen and fell, and possibly stuff from afar afield as India and China (and maybe places like the Sudan and Zimbabwe, for that matter). To say nothing of all the places that developed their own knowledge systems independent of the Mediterranean complex of interlinked societies.

Centering everything on the Bible is, well, a giant middle finger at the world. And also gross because the primacy of the Bible as the document is the end result of a lot of violence and exploitation. Ballsy missionaries leading by example are sort of the minority compared to conversion by sword and other coercive means.

Addendum: it occurs to me that the kind of “the Bible is all” statement is also a giant diss to the Jewish legal scholars, scientists, and philosophers that endeavored to make the materials of the Torah mess with the natural and social worlds of their eras.

130 HappyWarrior  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:06:20pm

re: #128 Targetpractice

No, don’t you even consider bringing up that there are other Holy Books that have shaped peoples minds just as much as the Bible has. BEcause creeping Shariah!

131 Gus  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:06:29pm
132 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:06:50pm

re: #127 HappyWarrior

I liked the one where Moses tried to pawn off the animals in his ark.

Yeah, Rick wanted to make a higher offer in the hopes of getting them, but the Old Man shut him down.

133 jaunte  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:07:00pm

re: #122 Charles Johnson

And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

Grab that two-edged sword!

( سيف ذو حدين )

134 Gus  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:07:04pm

I posted that in a positive sense.

135 Kragar (Antichrist )  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:07:27pm

re: #124 HappyWarrior

Because hundreds of years of civilization before the Bible just shouldn’t count.

Easy to do when you say the Earth is just 5000 years old.

136 HappyWarrior  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:07:58pm

re: #125 darthstar

I’m all for teaching the bible in public schools…fewer people would read it.

I think at the very least it would cut down on biblical literalism. “Wait, wait, we’re supposed to take this literally. Yeah forget that.”

137 HappyWarrior  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:08:31pm

re: #135 Kragar (Antichrist )

Easy to do when you say the Earth is just 5000 years old.

Yeah and think dinosaur bones are a satanic plot.

138 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:08:35pm

re: #129 The Ghost of a Flea

And the ancient Greeks were building upon tech and ideas that came from the ancient Egyptians, at least a dozen Middle Eastern civilizations that had risen and fell, and possibly stuff from afar afield as India and China (and maybe places like the Sudan and Zimbabwe, for that matter). To say nothing of all the places that developed their own knowledge systems independent of the Mediterranean complex of interlinked societies.

Centering everything on the Bible is, well, a giant middle finger at the world. And also gross because the primacy of the Bible as the document is the end result of a lot of violence and exploitation. Ballsy missionaries leading by example are sort of the minority compared to conversion by sword and other coercive means.

Hell, even as recently as the 19th century, peaceful missionaries had a rather bad habit of going into the bush to preach to the “savages” and never coming back out.

139 Lidane  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:08:56pm

re: #118 Gus

There ain’t no such thing as Satan anyway.

There’s no such thing as God either, but that’s never stopped people from arguing about or killing each other over it.

140 dragonath  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:09:29pm

Göbekli Tepe

10,000BC

141 jaunte  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:10:16pm

re: #140 dragonath

Wow, that’s like 4,000 years earlier than Creation.

142 darthstar  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:11:11pm

re: #136 HappyWarrior

I think at the very least it would cut down on biblical literalism. “Wait, wait, we’re supposed to take this literally. Yeah forget that.”

True story: When I was in the ninth grade, my parents sent me to a baptist high school for a year (after Catholic elementary). I got one F…in Bible class.

143 HappyWarrior  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:11:17pm

You want to turn people into militant secularists. Force religion on them and tell them that they’re sinners if they even question the Bible. But yeah we need to force the Bible more on people.

144 dragonath  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:11:29pm

Yeah. James Ussher. Mr. Infallible.

145 Kragar (Antichrist )  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:12:04pm

Sumerians Look On In Confusion As God Creates World

Members of the earth’s earliest known civilization, the Sumerians, looked on in shock and confusion some 6,000 years ago as God, the Lord Almighty, created Heaven and Earth.

According to recently excavated clay tablets inscribed with cuneiform script, thousands of Sumerians—the first humans to establish systems of writing, agriculture, and government—were working on their sophisticated irrigation systems when the Father of All Creation reached down from the ether and blew the divine spirit of life into their thriving civilization.

146 HappyWarrior  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:12:19pm

re: #142 darthstar

True storey: When I was in the ninth grade, my parents sent me to a baptist high school for a year (after Catholic elementary). I got one F…in Bible class.

Yeah sometimes you’ve got to put principle first. This is all making me glad that my parents never even considered sending me to a religious school.

147 freetoken  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:14:44pm

re: #145 Kragar (Antichrist )

Sumerians Look On In Confusion As God Creates World

The Sumerians want their invention, “writing”, back.

The problem was that the Sumerians, mostly accountants when they weren’t farmers, didn’t have any lawyers. Because they had no lawyers they didn’t have any patent law. Thus anybody could steal their creations with impunity.

148 dragonath  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:14:45pm

So, has anyone else on the internets made this connection yet? Seems like a potentially major story.

149 freetoken  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:16:59pm

re: #148 dragonath

The Bible has gotten some coverage - see Bill O’ for instance, as well as among various Bible-scholar bloggers, etc.

My feeling is that most Americans just don’t care, and probably couldn’t tell the difference between a fact-centered recounting of the past and plain old creative writing. Look at the other shows the History Channel has offered without a blink of the eye.

150 jaunte  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:18:47pm

Bay Bridge construction: no acrophobes.
flickr.com

151 AlexRogan  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:19:27pm

re: #149 freetoken

The Bible has gotten some coverage - see Bill O’ for instance, as well as among various Bible-scholar bloggers, etc.

My feeling is that most Americans just don’t care, and probably couldn’t tell the difference between a fact-centered recounting of the past and plain old creative writing. Look at the other shows the History Channel has offered without a blink of the eye.

Image: ancient-aliens-guy.jpg

152 Gus  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:19:29pm
153 dragonath  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:20:25pm

Mark Burnett: ‘Weird Things Happened’ During Filming of ‘The Bible’

Reportedly, when Jesus referenced the Holy Spirit as being like the wind, a huge gust of air blew across the entire crew for 20 seconds, which was filming the scene on a very still night in the Sahara desert.

That’s right. God is saying you blow.

154 dragonath  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:21:40pm

Come listen to the infallible word of Mark Burnett, my fiends.

155 Kragar (Antichrist )  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:22:00pm

re: #153 dragonath

Mark Burnett: ‘Weird Things Happened’ During Filming of ‘The Bible’

That’s right. God is saying you blow.

A gust of wind in the desert? It can only be THE HAND OF GOD!
/

156 simoom  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:22:07pm

It looks like they desaturated Satan’s face in post vs. the full-color production still we’ve all seen. The face is mostly in black & white w/ the ears weirdly partly in color:

Image: BFmsL1pCcAA08Ov.jpg

157 Kragar (Antichrist )  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:22:54pm
158 Charles Johnson  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:25:55pm

Get a load of this one:

159 dragonath  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:26:02pm

re: #156 simoom

I miss the old days when all you had to do was cast Shemp Howard.

160 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:26:10pm

re: #156 simoom

It looks like they desaturated Satans face in post vs. the full-color production still we’ve all seen. It’s actually a pretty sloppy effect with the face black & white and the ears just outside the filter (so they’re brown):

[Link: pbs.twimg.com…]

Even if you don’t think it looks like the POTUS, they totally ripped off Star Wars.

Image: Star-Wars-Emperor.jpg

161 Gus  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:26:50pm
162 HappyWarrior  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:27:19pm

re: #160 moderatelyradicalliberal

Even if you don’t think it looks like the POTUS, they totally ripped off Star Wars.

Image: Star-Wars-Emperor.jpg

I don’t expect creativity from a guy with Mark Burnett’s resume. Good money-makers but nothing that says “Man what an unique idea that guy had.”

163 freetoken  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:28:10pm
TV Producer Mark Burnett on “The Bible” Miniseries

An award-winning producer of hit television shows […], Mark Burnett has produced an epic, 10-hour miniseries with his wife, Roma Downey, featuring stories from the Bible from creation to Jesus.[…] Outreach Inc., the parent company of Outreach magazine, has produced a related campaign kit and other resources that churches can use to engage people in discussions about the Bible. Here, Burnett shares a personal, Holy Spirit experience, as told to Outreach magazine Senior Associate Editor Scott Marshall. […]

We’ve spent a lot of time in the South Pacific because of various shows we’ve made, and I had an experience in Fiji with Roma [Downey, Burnett’s wife and the star of the television series Touched by an Angel] that I knew was a genuine, physical experience with the Holy Spirit, for sure. It’s my own experience, and my own physiology told me this is real.

I was praying, and I felt that Jesus—not felt, I know—that Jesus was physically hugging me. I just know that to be true. Anybody could say, “Well, how did you know?” I don’t need to explain to people. It just happened. I just said, “OK. Wow.”

[…]

We’re reading the Bible, reading about the Bible, reading people’s opinions of the Bible and editing this visual piece of work, which is the best work of our careers. The responsibility is huge. I think we’re really good at our jobs. Right now, four nights out of seven, we have No. 1 shows on television as a family. We know what we’re doing. Our responsibility is we better be at the best level of our game on this project. This is the Bible. If nothing else, for the rest of our lives, we ever make, this better be good. And I think we’ve done a great job with this.

Who could argue with Mark’s “physiology”?

164 AlexRogan  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:28:26pm

re: #155 Kragar (Antichrist )

A gust of wind in the desert? It can only be THE HAND OF GOD!
/

If the challenges inside the temple where the Holy Grail resided in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade were real, I’d love for Burnett, Downey, Beck, Baldwin, and a lot of these RRWNJs to make a run through them.

Somehow, I doubt they’d make it through in one piece.

/only the penitent man will pass…

165 HappyWarrior  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:29:39pm

re: #164 AlexRogan

If the challenges inside the temple where the Holy Grail resided in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade were real, I’d love for Burnett, Downey, Beck, Baldwin, and a lot of these RRWNJs to make a run through them.

Somehow, I doubt they’d make it through in one piece.

Heh I was just talking about that scene tonight with my brother. That scene with Donovan, man still freaks me out after all these years!

166 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:30:29pm

re: #163 freetoken

Who could argue with Mark’s “physiology”?

He touched me. He put his arms around me and he touched me……….

167 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:31:11pm

re: #166 moderatelyradicalliberal

He touched me. He put his arms around me and he touched me……….

Touched by a Messiah?

//

168 freetoken  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:31:47pm

Most of us look down on reality TV, and for good reason.

And yet here is a guy who wants to take credit for being the most successful reality TV producer. Like, that’s something which makes him an expert on anything but serving up the cheapest form of mindless entertainment.

169 The Ghost of a Flea  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:33:23pm

re: #168 freetoken

And yet here is a guy who wants to take credit for being the most successful reality TV producer.

That’s sort of like being the dung beetle with the biggest ball of caked shit to roll around?

170 dragonath  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:33:32pm

re: #168 freetoken

What!? Jesus would be a nobody without Mark Burnett!

171 AlexRogan  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:33:40pm

re: #167 Targetpractice

Touched by a Messiah?

//

No, Burnett’s been touched by his wife Roma Downey, who was in Touched by an Angel.

I can see how he was confused…

///

172 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:34:19pm

re: #171 AlexRogan

No, Burnett’s been touched by his wife Roma Downey, who was in Touched by an Angel.

I can see how he was confused…

///

Well now it’s just getting gross.

173 AlexRogan  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:34:40pm

re: #170 dragonath

What!? Jesus would be a nobody without Mark Burnett!

Gotta have media exposure nowadays to make it big, don’t ya know?

///

174 dragonath  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:35:12pm

Satan sez

“Reach Out and Torch Somebody”

175 freetoken  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:35:26pm

Je$u$ is now a Reality TV star.

176 dragonath  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:35:55pm

I liked Jesus Christ Superstar better

177 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:37:00pm

re: #176 dragonath

I liked Jesus Christ Superstar better

That’s actually a pretty awesome musical.

178 dragonath  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:38:03pm

The fact that fundies think it’s totally blasphemous makes it even better

179 freetoken  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:38:26pm

re: #177 moderatelyradicalliberal

That’s actually a pretty awesome musical.

Especially in Japanese…

180 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:40:38pm

re: #179 freetoken

Especially in Japanese…

[Embedded content]

Cool!

181 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:40:55pm

Good night all!

182 Gus  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:41:38pm

Don’t Tread on Me

183 Kragar (Antichrist )  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:42:48pm

If one is touched by Jesus, will the Catholic church still cover it up?

184 freetoken  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:43:20pm

Mark Burnett Says ‘Hand Of God Helped Him With ‘The Bible’ Miniseries

Perhaps a higher power helped Mark Burnett on the set of The Bible, History’s miniseries that set a cable record of 13.1 million viewers for last Sunday’s premiere.

“I really believe what I’m going to tell you right now,” Burnett told Entertainment Weekly.“The hand of God was on this…. the edit came together perfectly, the actors came together perfectly, it just comes to life.”

Burnett also noted some bizarre occurrences while filiming such as high speed winds exactly when Jesus said, “The Holy Spirit is like the wind.” Burnett also told a story about how a small part of Jesus’s costume was lost in a reservoir, but that it was miraculously returned to them by someone from far away who didn’t know “why he should seek us, but he felt he had to return it.”

[…]

No doubt God wanted Satan portrayed exactly how it turned out…

185 freetoken  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:43:51pm

re: #183 Kragar (Antichrist )

If one is touched by Jesus, will the Catholic church still cover it up?

I think that’s a “hat trick” when it comes to blasphemy.

186 HappyWarrior  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:45:25pm

re: #184 freetoken

Mark Burnett Says ‘Hand Of God Helped Him With ‘The Bible’ Miniseries

No doubt God wanted Satan portrayed exactly how it turned out…

You know, I think that’s the crap that annoys me. Yeah God if he exists was concerned with your miniseries rather than helping people suffering from famine and or disease. Agh.

187 Gus  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:46:01pm

I had a Don’t Tread on Me bumper sticker in the back of my car. It was after an LGF thread here that I decided to remove it. Saw that the Council of Conservative Citizen was selling it as a hate statement. It had meaning once. Some of which I can still feel. But it has lost its historical meaning. Don’t Tread on Me does not mean hate the president.

188 Shvaughn  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:46:39pm

You know, nowhere in the bible does Jesus say “The Holy Spirit is like the wind…”

(John 3:8 is about the closest you can get.)

189 Kragar (Antichrist )  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:47:19pm

re: #188 Shvaughn

You know, nowhere in the bible does Jesus say “The Holy Spirit is like the wind…”

(John 3:8 is about the closest you can get.)

Does it break like the wind?

190 dragonath  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:47:26pm

re: #188 Shvaughn

You know, nowhere in the bible does Jesus say “The Holy Spirit is like the wind…”

(John 3:8 is about the closest you can get.)

Clearly Mark Burnett was visited by the spirit of King Crimson

EDIT: …okay that’s Talk to the Wind. Whatever.

191 freetoken  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:49:15pm

That Japanese version of J.C. SS has a great version of the opening piece, that sounds like a cross between Morricone and the Outer Limits:

192 Gus  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:50:13pm

Rape has consequences ye ol’ young “All American” football players.

193 Gus  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:52:15pm

LGF has really been giving it to the extremists for a while now. I trust him pretty much.
— Democratic Underground Commentator

194 Gus  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:52:33pm
195 Gus  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:53:37pm
196 HappyWarrior  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:54:00pm

re: #195 Gus

Shit ain’t right.

197 Gus  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:54:54pm

re: #196 HappyWarrior

Shit ain’t right.

No? Maybe not. I’m going to hobble here now. :D

198 HappyWarrior  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:56:35pm

re: #197 Gus

No? Maybe not. I’m going to hobble here now. :D

Ha, it’s just insane that people have gotten more for drug possession than the Steubenville kids got. It really makes me cynical about our CJ system. Not that I am not already cynical as a DP opponent.

199 Kragar (Antichrist )  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:56:40pm

re: #195 Gus

The word “RAPIST” should be tattooed across every rapist’s forehead.

200 dragonath  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:58:50pm

re: #198 HappyWarrior

Hell, hate speech is evidentially a lesser sin than posting copyrighted material.

201 HappyWarrior  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:59:39pm

re: #200 dragonath

Hell, hate speech is evidentially a lesser sin than posting copyrighted material.

Yeah. Priorities. Fah!

202 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 10:59:55pm

Between the majority of the sentence, and the fact that judge spent time lecturing about alcohol and social media recordings rather than not raping a passed-out drunk girl, I can’t help but feeling that the bit about making them register as sex offenders was tacked on.

203 HappyWarrior  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 11:00:54pm

Some Van Zandt.
204 Gus  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 11:01:53pm

STEUBENVILLE, Ohio (AP) — Two Ohio high school football players who were found guilty of raping a drunken 16-year-old girl have been sentenced to at least one year in juvenile jail.

205 Kragar (Antichrist )  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 11:03:33pm

re: #202 Targetpractice

Between the majority of the sentence, and the fact that judge spent time lecturing about alcohol and social media recordings rather than not raping a passed-out drunk girl, I can’t help but feeling that the bit about making them register as sex offenders was tacked on.

If it weren’t for social media, those little fucks would have gotten away with it. Sure, it was social media with their own stupidity and the witnesses being a bunch of bastards, but it still helped to nail them.

206 Gus  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 11:05:08pm

Shit should be at least 5. Maybe 8.

207 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 11:06:35pm

re: #205 Kragar (Antichrist )

If it weren’t for social media, those little fucks would have gotten away with it. Sure, it was social media with their own stupidity and the witnesses being a bunch of bastards, but it still helped to nail them.

And yet, we’re supposed to feel all broken up because their lives are “ruined,” because now they can’t play ball anymore and can’t be scouted for a big university on a full-ride scholarship. Worse, the town can’t have it’s championship win!

///

208 Varek Raith  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 11:07:36pm

I see a Hitler-shaped UFO pawnshop in the background.

209 HappyWarrior  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 11:07:55pm

re: #207 Targetpractice

And yet, we’re supposed to feel all broken up because their lives are “ruined,” because now they can’t play ball anymore and can’t be scouted for a big university on a full-ride scholarship. Worse, the town can’t have it’s championship win!

///

Yeah I read about CNN bemoaning their lives being ruined. Yeah what about the girl’s whose life they ruined. Where’s the sympathy for her? The actual victim in this case.

210 Kragar (Antichrist )  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 11:09:18pm

re: #207 Targetpractice

And yet, we’re supposed to feel all broken up because their lives are “ruined,” because now they can’t play ball anymore and can’t be scouted for a big university on a full-ride scholarship. Worse, the town can’t have it’s championship win!

///

The fact they could be out in a year is what pisses me off.

211 Gus  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 11:10:14pm
212 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 11:11:18pm

re: #210 Kragar (Antichrist )

The fact they could be out in a year is what pisses me off.

Should piss off anybody with common decency. But all they can worry about is “These boys lives are ruined!”

It really does confuse the utter fuck out of me that they’re all broken up over these boys, yet the media had no problem swallowing up what Nifong was selling them about the Duke lacrosse team and begged for more.

213 Gus  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 11:15:34pm
214 Kragar (Antichrist )  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 11:16:39pm

re: #208 Varek Raith

I see a Hitler-shaped UFO pawnshop in the background.

For Varek…

215 Tigger2  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 11:18:56pm

re: #206 Gus

Shit should be at least 5. Maybe 8.

When I was watching the local news they said the judge said they were to be locked up until they were 21, One’s 16 the other one is 17. unless I heard it wrong. Or they got it wrong.

216 Gus  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 11:20:19pm

re: #215 Tigger2

When I was watching the news they said the judge said they were to be locked up until they were 21, One’s 16 the other one is 17. unless I heard it wrong.

Juvis. Until they’re adults. So yeah, it could be 21.

217 Gus  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 11:20:23pm
218 freetoken  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 11:20:29pm
219 Kragar (Antichrist )  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 11:20:54pm

re: #215 Tigger2

When I was watching the news they said the judge said they were to be locked up until they were 21, One’s 16 the other one is 17. unless I heard it wrong.

I heard one year for one, two for the other, with the possibility they might be held till they are 21, depending on behavior.

220 Gus  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 11:22:01pm
221 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 11:25:28pm

re: #217 Gus

Eh, my favorite of the recent Bond openings has to be Casino Royale:

222 Gus  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 11:26:13pm

re: #221 Targetpractice

Eh, my favorite of the recent Bond openings has to be Casino Royale:

[Embedded content]

Video disappears.

223 Gus  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 11:28:15pm
224 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 11:28:48pm

re: #222 Gus

Video disappears.

re: #222 Gus

Video disappears.

Huh, works for me. Weird.

225 Gus  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 11:29:55pm

re: #224 Targetpractice

re: #222 Gus

Huh, works for me. Weird.

Tried it again. Even did a ctrl + F5. Disappears. :D

226 freetoken  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 11:32:23pm
227 Gus  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 11:32:28pm
228 Gus  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 11:34:53pm
229 freetoken  Sun, Mar 17, 2013 11:47:25pm
230 freetoken  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 12:13:01am

Something quite a bit less exotic… almost… vanilla…:

231 Mattand  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 12:15:09am

Anyone else find it ironic that the guy who gave us “Celebrity Apprentice” thinks he has the hand of God upon him?

232 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 12:17:52am
233 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 12:26:19am

Mandate teaching the Bible in public schools?

How to teach it? Some people will be unable to teach it without prosletyzing and praising the Word of God at every opportunity, annoying non-Christians or those whose approach differs from theirs.

Other teachers will be more distanced, objective and less enthusiastic about the power of the WoG, and this will annoy evangelicals and fundamentalists.

234 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 1:02:23am

re: #232 Varek Raith

[Embedded content]

Crow’s short lived career as a stripper

235 freetoken  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 1:04:12am

Your variety pack for the evening:

Ethel being especially exotic:

For those who have long hair, von Karajan does Schubert:

Pure Americana:

And for the pagans:

236 Mattand  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 1:05:49am

re: #232 Varek Raith

re: #234 Kragar (Antichrist )

Best line ever was from “The Skydivers” (which, IMO, is a much worse film than “Manos”):

“It’s like they turned the camera on and forgot to have things happen.”

237 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 1:08:37am

re: #236 Mattand

re: #234 Kragar (Antichrist )

Best line ever was from “The Skydivers” (which, IMO, is a much worse film than “Manos”):

“It’s like they turned the camera on and forgot to have things happen.”

They’re all gems.

238 Mattand  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 1:12:09am

re: #97 wheat-dogghazi

I wonder how anyone can presume to “set the record straight” about the Bible, when no one has been able to agree on what it says exactly for the last 3,000 or more years.

I’d like to see them set the record straight on Numbers 22 and 23, which features a talking donkey that no one blinks an eye at.

Best. Passage. Ever.

239 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 1:16:03am

re: #238 Mattand

I’d like to see them set the record straight on Numbers 22 and 23, which features a talking donkey that no one blinks an eye at.

Best. Passage. Ever.

When did pyrotechnic shrubberies passing along God’s word stop being a thing? You think he might toss down another ever couple hundred years.

240 engineer cat  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 1:30:30am

Hello Solitary heart!!!

I am a girl with beautiful name Julia, me 27 years. Dream to find the person for serious and long relations! I have interested your profile, since I seem that you search for such relations! Now I shall tell little about itself. I very cheerful and communicative, attractive girl. My growing forms 170 cm, my weight forms 57 kilograms. Much love to read the books, listen the classical music, walk on autumn wood and communicate with interesting people. If I have interested you, that anxiously waits your letter and photographies on my e-mail : naquivjor@yandex.ru With heat showers! Julia.

very charming! i love how her growing forms and her photographies. And how can you resist “with heat showers”? i’m in love!

oh oh oh oh i only wish that i could believe for a nanosecond that this is really a beautiful russian girl who likes me! o tempora! o mores! oh well, the romans weren’t the most honest people in the world either. where can a naive, star-struck, lonely romantic like me go for a life like in the hollywood movies…

241 freetoken  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 1:35:03am

Re-watching the Disney not-quite-a-hit The Black Hole… I had forgotten how bad it was. Stupid dialogue, cardboard acting (from an experienced cast too), and just wrong physics.

Funky music though.

242 engineer cat  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 1:37:49am

in reality, i know how this works: pictures of luscious blondes, hot letters, pledges of love and a burning desire to come to the u.s. and be my bride, then requests for money wires to cover costs, bribes, sudden expensive needs and emergencies, delays, more requests for cash, & etc & etc

not unlike the spanish prisoner scam but your heart is more immediately involved

243 EdDantes  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 1:41:58am

re: #241 freetoken

If I remember correctly, there was an accretion disc without a source for the material.

244 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 1:54:38am

re: #240 engineer cat

Hello Solitary heart!!!

I am a girl with beautiful name Julia, me 27 years. Dream to find the person for serious and long relations! I have interested your profile, since I seem that you search for such relations! Now I shall tell little about itself. I very cheerful and communicative, attractive girl. My growing forms 170 cm, my weight forms 57 kilograms. Much love to read the books, listen the classical music, walk on autumn wood and communicate with interesting people. If I have interested you, that anxiously waits your letter and photographies on my e-mail : naquivjor@yandex.ru With heat showers! Julia.

very charming! i love how her growing forms and her photographies. And how can you resist “with heat showers”? i’m in love!

oh oh oh oh i only wish that i could believe for a nanosecond that this is really a beautiful russian girl who likes me! o tempora! o mores! oh well, the romans weren’t the most honest people in the world either. where can a naive, star-struck, lonely romantic like me go for a life like in the hollywood movies…

Hot showers with Russian girls!

So I had just gotten a Cyrillic keyboard installed and wanted to try it out, so I even replied to one of these mysterious Svetlana letters. After about three replies, she was already making plans to come and visit me!
But she did not ask for money or anything, which I had sort of expected.

Then I just googled “russian women scams” and found a US State Department link that describes a sucker play in which she ostensiblz pays for her own ticket, you go down to the airport to meet her, but she does not show up.

Then you get a desperate mail saying that she was not allowed entry unless she could show that she had $1,000 in cash, if you could just wire it to her, whe will give it back to you as soon as she gets through Customs and Immigration…

245 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 1:55:05am

re: #241 freetoken

Re-watching the Disney not-quite-a-hit The Black Hole… I had forgotten how bad it was. Stupid dialogue, cardboard acting (from an experienced cast too), and just wrong physics.

Funky music though.

Kids sci-fi doesn’t require science.

Now, I don’t mind when a series invents an explanation as to why they can ignore physics, but it needs to remain consistent, and not change between episodes or stories.

246 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 2:18:37am

re: #241 freetoken

Re-watching the Disney not-quite-a-hit The Black Hole… I had forgotten how bad it was. Stupid dialogue, cardboard acting (from an experienced cast too), and just wrong physics.

Funky music though.

I seem to recall that was when black holes were a relatively new concept to the popular psyche and nobody really understood them.

247 freetoken  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 3:03:31am

re: #243 EdDantes

If I remember correctly, there was an accretion disc without a source for the material.

Yup.

re: #245 Kragar (Antichrist )

Kids sci-fi doesn’t require science.

However, a good movie needs good dialogue (if it has people interacting), and that delivered well.

248 freetoken  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 3:12:36am

Like the John Barry music, though:

249 wheat-dogghazi  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 3:29:45am

re: #155 Kragar (Antichrist )

A gust of wind in the desert? It can only be THE HAND OF GOD!
/

True Believers™ find all sorts of causalities among coincidences. Plane crashes, killing almost everyone aboard. Survivor praises God for saving his life: it was a miracle! (So, why did all those other poor souls perish,eh?) Actor mentions something about wind, and the wind blows for 20 whole seconds! Miracle!

And what if someone on the crew let loose a fart at the exact same time? Would that also be a harbinger of the Holy Spirit?

250 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 3:47:10am

This is a comercially produced TV series for a channel that has as much to do with “history” as most reality shows have to do with reality.

And the modern “Biblical” approach to anything from politics to lawmaking, economics or history itself is not about reading or studying the Bible and Biblical scholarhip, coming to conclusions about what it might mean. It is about finding a passage in the Bible which, when re-interpreted or taken out of context, supports one’s pre-established point of view.

251 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 3:49:03am

re: #12 freetoken

Yes, this “Bible” series has gotten very much a push by the usual subjects, because of its overt religiosity.

Thing is, the series is not really an accurate recounting of the Bible stories. Real Bible scholars have lamented this. Instead, the series was explicitly designed to convey messages.

This is what goes as “history” on American television.

From my vantage point outside America, it seems to me that much of America has no history.

It has a mythology.

253 oceanclub  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 4:27:27am

Roma Downey is giving the US advice on schooling based on Ireland? (Specially, Northern Ireland in her context). She comes from an education system where I’m sure the Bible is taught, to Catholics and Protestants kept separately. You can imagine what this has to done to encourage relationships between the community.

Also am wondering which part of the Bible inspired her to support Martin McGuinness, a once senior figure in the IRA, as Irish president (a ceremonial position).

Ah well, “Touched by the Angel” is still the best unintentional comedy on TV and you’d have to have a heart of stone not to laugh at Downey’s mawkish wailings (give me “Highway to Heaven” any day).

P.

254 BongCrodny  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 4:31:09am

re: #253 oceanclub

Roma Downey is giving the US advice on schooling based on Ireland? (Specially, Northern Ireland in her context). She comes from an education system where I’m sure the Bible is taught, to Catholics and Protestants kept separately. You can imagine what this has to done to encourage relationships between the community.

Also am wondering which part of the Bible inspired her to support Martin McGuinness, a once senior figure in the IRA, as Irish president (a ceremonial position).

Ah well, “Touched by the Angel” is still the best unintentional comedy on TV and you’d have to have a heart of stone not to laugh at Downey’s mawkish wailings (give me “Highway to Heaven” any day).

P.

Welcome, hatchling!

255 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 4:38:52am
256 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 4:47:44am

Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t Mel Gibson in “Passion of the Christ” portray Satan as female, or androgynous? I never saw that 3-hour torture pr0n flick but remember reading something about it.

257 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 4:48:58am

Or am I thinking about Scorcese’s “Last Temptation” (which I also never saw)

258 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 4:51:34am

re: #256 Vicious Babushka

Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t Mel Gibson in “Passion of the Christ” portray Satan as female, or androgynous? I never saw that 3-hour torture pr0n flick but remember reading something about it.

Image: satan.jpg

259 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 4:52:27am

This casting is only ‘sort of bad’. Really bad, terrible, would be the day RWNJs ever figured out that Pres. Obama is never, ever, going to run for office again. They are keeping the Dems angry enough to really help Hillary.

260 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 4:53:04am

re: #258 Varek Raith

Image: satan.jpg

Tilda Swinton?

261 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 4:53:46am

re: #260 Vicious Babushka

Tilda Swinton?

Rosalinda Celentano
imdb.com

262 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 4:54:06am

re: #258 Varek Raith

Image: satan.jpg

That is definitely a woman, with shaved eyebrows.

263 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 4:55:12am

Bryan Derping about Teh Ghey, as usual.

264 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 4:56:41am

re: #263 Vicious Babushka

Bryan Derping about Teh Ghey, as usual.

Agree completely with Fischer. The TPGOP should definitely run on that sword.

265 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 4:57:06am

re: #102 The Ghost of a Flea

Well, certainly nobody’s going to ask the rabbis that have been discussing the Old Testament for, you know, millenia.

Yeah, and even they don’t all agree.

266 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 5:01:27am

Wingnuts still pushing this big old pile o’Fail.

Yes, it’s from Cato, the Institute of Derp.

267 Lidane  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 5:07:59am

re: #266 Vicious Babushka

Yes, because the corporations are suffering. Pfft.

268 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 5:11:08am
269 Lidane  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 5:27:05am

I can’t imagine what would have given them that idea.

270 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 5:28:47am

I have not yet seen any wingnuts argue “If only that girl in Steubenville had an AR-15.”

271 Lidane  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 5:31:25am

Except that it was entirely necessary. The gibbering idiots at the GOP’s base want everyone else offended by their ideas. It’s the only way to keep the RINOs and libruls out.

272 iossarian  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 5:33:28am

re: #270 Vicious Babushka

I have not yet seen any wingnuts argue “If only that girl in Steubenville had an AR-15.”

So true. She could have wasted half that football team.

273 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 5:35:16am

re: #271 Lidane

Except that it was entirely necessary. The gibbering idiots at the GOP’s base want everyone else offended by their ideas. It’s the only way to keep the RINOs and libruls out.

they insist on establishing and maintaining a high level of ideological purity. they are not about to be diplomatic or accomodating to anyone, especially anone who does not live up to their exacting standards.

274 Lidane  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 5:36:41am

Ari Fleischer, idealistic hack:

Good luck with that. The GOP base will not allow any of those recommendations to come to pass unless they involve making the party whiter and more evangelical.

275 freetoken  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 5:39:46am

re: #274 Lidane

There’s a Page on it, with the report embedded.

276 freetoken  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 5:41:50am

re: #256 Vicious Babushka

Mel has problems with women. It’s they whom the devil use to torment him.

277 freetoken  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 5:43:40am

Mel Gibson - Satan is a woman.
Mark Burnett - Satan is Obama, who happens to be a Sith lord.

278 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 5:44:44am

re: #277 freetoken

Mel Gibson - Satan is a woman.
Mark Burnett - Satan is Obama, who happens to be a Sith lord.

Certainly a badass pic.

279 Lidane  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 5:48:08am
280 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 5:49:38am

re: #276 freetoken

Mel has problems with women. It’s they whom the devil use to torment him.

I thought it was Teh Juice.

281 Lidane  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 5:52:31am

re: #280 Vicious Babushka

I thought it was Teh Juice.

It’s both. Jewish women probably send him into apoplexy.

282 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 5:52:52am

re: #281 Lidane

It’s both. Jewish women probably send him into apoplexy.

Heh.

283 Lidane  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 5:57:07am

So the NCAA bracket is out, and not a single Texas team made the cut.

Office pools around here just got a whole lot less interesting.

284 freetoken  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 6:00:02am

Frum pulls a quick one.


First, to garner our sympathies, he writes:

[…]

“Researchers found that during the first four years, users steadily limited what personal data was visible to strangers within their school network. Yet through changes Facebook introduced to its platform in 2009 and 2010, the social network actually succeeded in reversing some users’ inclination to avoid public disclosure of their data.

In fact, the social network’s new policies were not only able to partly override an active desire not to post personal details publicly, but they have so far kept such disclosures from sinking back to their lower levels, according to the study. They also found that even as people sought to limit what strangers could learn about them from their Facebook profiles, they actually increased what information they shared with their friends.

Facebook’s CEO Mark Zuckerberg has famously said that privacy is no longer a social norm. He’s worked mightily to make those words self-fulfilling, and in tandem with other technologies (smartphones) and social media (notably YouTube), Zuckerberg has succeeded.

Well, yeah, who doesn’t resent how Facebook has been data mining on everybody.

Then Frum adds:

The demise of privacy as a social norm is leading to the demise of privacy as a legal right. Scott Prouty likely won’t face legal sanctions for videotaping Romney.

Oh, nice one. As if Prouty could actually be convicted of a crime!

Frum tries to rationalize:

Mike Edmonson, spokesman for the Palm Beach County State Attorney, explains why not: “For the law to be broken, the person being taped must have a reasonable expectation of privacy.” Once upon a time, a speaker might have expected that an off-the-record, closed-door speech in a private home would be “private.” No longer. The less privacy we have, the less we have a legal right to — and the less we have a legal right to, the less we will have.

Yeah, sure.

It’s as if the problem with the election was Prouty, and not fundamentally what Romney said, which is what he and his listeners also happen to believe.

285 freetoken  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 6:07:21am

The good ol’ days … were not so good:

Norwich skeletons to be re-buried after 800 years

Seventeen suspected victims of religious persecution found at the bottom of a Norwich well are to be buried - an estimated 800 years after their deaths.

The skeletons, which included the remains of 11 children, were found during archaeological digs in 2004 ahead of work to build the Chapelfield Shopping Centre, in St Stephens Street.

Tests later suggested the medieval bones, thought to have been there since the 12th century, had DNA consistent with Jewish communities although research is still being carried out.

[…]

286 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 6:07:40am

re: #259 Decatur Deb

This casting is only ‘sort of bad’. Really bad, terrible, would be the day RWNJs ever figured out that Pres. Obama is never, ever, going to run for office again. They are keeping the Dems angry enough to really help Hillary whoever runs and wins for the Dems in 2016.

FTFY. I really don’t think it will be Hillary. Better chance for Warren/Baldwin than Hillary.

287 freetoken  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 6:08:19am

It’s Monday.

Which means DWTS begins… all over again.

Aren’t we happy?

288 Flounder  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 6:09:37am

Any publicity is good publicity. Good morning fellow Lizards, I am tired of winter, very tired.

289 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 6:09:38am

re: #281 Lidane

It’s both. Jewish women probably send him into apoplexy.

Just imagine him having to deal with a gay Jewish woman… ;)

290 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 6:09:59am

re: #287 freetoken

It’s Monday.

Which means DWTS begins… all over again.

Aren’t we happy?

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

291 wheat-dogghazi  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 6:11:23am

re: #284 freetoken

Zuckerberg and Facebook are a classic example of giving someone an inch and they’ll take a mile. There’s something wrong when the default is “share every damn thing” and it’s up to the user (many of whom are not the swiftest boats on the river) to decide how and what to share and with whom.

I would argue Frum’s point that privacy is dead. It may take some class action suit against Facebook to make its “privacy” settings really work, though. Zuckerberg is clearly in this for the money, user sentiments be damned.

292 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 6:12:16am

re: #287 freetoken

It’s Monday.

Which means DWTS begins… all over again.

Aren’t we happy?

O_o I am so glad we killed our TV back when the whole “digital antenna” thing happened. I really can’t think of anything I can say I missed.

293 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 6:13:17am

re: #284 freetoken

Frum pulls a quick one.

First, to garner our sympathies, he writes:

Well, yeah, who doesn’t resent how Facebook has been data mining on everybody.

Then Frum adds:

Oh, nice one. As if Prouty could actually be convicted of a crime!

Frum tries to rationalize:

Yeah, sure.

It’s as if the problem with the election was Prouty, and not fundamentally what Romney said, which is what he and his listeners also happen to believe.

A politician giving a campaign speech is not doing it with any “expectations of privacy”.

294 freetoken  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 6:18:18am

re: #293 Sol Berdinowitz

A politician giving a campaign speech is not doing it with any “expectations of privacy”.

Yeah, but, that would turn Frum’s intention meaningless, and we wouldn’t want that, would we?

295 Flounder  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 6:21:25am

Is Weiner going to run again?!
nypost.com

296 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 6:25:17am

HAHAHA

297 Flounder  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 6:25:25am

Okay, now I am really confused
nypost.com

An ironically Scout-attired Madge planted a smooch on Cooper Saturday night while honoring him at the GLAAD Media Awards ceremony at the Marriott Marquis.

Cooper, who came out of the closet last summer, held on with both hands and returned the kiss.

I actually thought Madonna looked pretty hot in that costume.

298 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 6:27:54am

DERP. Hey Cathy, IT’S THE SAME GUY IN BOTH PICTURES. :)

299 freetoken  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 6:28:13am

Stand your ground, America, Stand Your Ground:

Drunk teen shot and killed after friends drop him at wrong house

A teenager who was shot and killed in Sterling, Virginia over the weekend may have accidentally entered the wrong home after a night of drinking.

Law enforcement officials told The Washington Post that the drunk teen had been dropped off by friends at a house just two doors down from where he lived. Both houses were two story, red brick homes and on the same side of the street.

The Loudoun County Sheriff’s Office refused to release the names of anyone involved, and only described the shooting as an unknown intruder being killed by a homeowner.

According to the Post, law enforcement sources believed that the teen may have entered the home through a rear window and was not armed.

[…]

300 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 6:28:32am

I don’t mean it’s LITERALLY the same guy but, it could be.

301 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 6:28:43am

re: #298 Vicious Babushka

DERP. Hey Cathy, IT’S THE SAME GUY IN BOTH PICTURES. :)

HAHAHA

302 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 6:29:13am

re: #250 Sol Berdinowitz

This is a comercially produced TV series for a channel that has as much to do with “history” as most reality shows have to do with reality.

And the modern “Biblical” approach to anything from politics to lawmaking, economics or history itself is not about reading or studying the Bible and Biblical scholarhip, coming to conclusions about what it might mean. It is about finding a passage in the Bible which, when re-interpreted or taken out of context, supports one’s pre-established point of view.

Well, for one it’s much easier and more convenient! And look how it fits all forums and types of investigative endeavor!
////

303 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 6:32:24am

Image: Map_of_USA_showing_state_names.png
Red States.
Blue States.
Any Questions?

304 freetoken  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 6:34:56am

Reuters trying real hard with the headline:

Republicans detail plan to embrace diversity

Nice try.

The document is a product of a group that doesn’t control the GOP, which won’t be listened to by the majority of GOP candidates, and said document is really more about “messaging” than actual policy changes.

306 Flounder  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 6:35:50am

DOW down a hundred…

307 freetoken  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 6:36:17am

re: #306 Flounder

DOW down a hundred…

They don’t like the new and improved GOP either?

308 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 6:36:55am

re: #304 freetoken

Reuters trying real hard with the headline:

Republicans detail plan to embrace diversity

Nice try.

The document is a product of a group that doesn’t control the GOP, which won’t be listened to by the majority of GOP candidates, and said document is really more about “messaging” than actual policy changes.

Maybe the GOP should try something like hiring people to actually live in communities, learn their issues, and help them deal with them by helping organize and represent them in their dealings with bureaucracies and other groups. Maybe they can give the position a straightforward title, something like “community activist”.

Oh wait…

309 freetoken  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 6:37:38am

Whitewashing at its finest:

CPAC’s 10 most memorable moments

310 freetoken  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 6:44:13am

If the Hollywood Reporter covers it, does that mean the story is now “mainstream”?

In History’s ‘The Bible,’ Satan Looks Like President Obama (Photo)

311 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 6:45:23am

re: #310 freetoken

If the Hollywood Reporter covers it, does that mean the story is now “mainstream”?

In History’s ‘The Bible,’ Satan Looks Like President Obama (Photo)

Because “The History Channel” totally knows what everybody in the Bible looked like, even the supernatural shape shifters!

312 Flounder  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 6:46:19am

What if Jesus looked like President Obama!?

313 Eventual Carrion  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 6:47:38am

re: #312 Flounder

What if Jesus looked like President Obama!?

Jesus looked like Ron Jeremy.

314 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 6:50:04am

re: #313 Eventual Carrion

Jesus looked like Ron Jeremy.

Before, or after, he got industrial disease?

315 Eventual Carrion  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 6:55:00am

re: #314 Feline Fearless Leader

Before, or after, he got industrial disease?

Def before. The young, skinny Ron.

316 Bulworth  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 7:07:41am

So is this another part of the GOP’s “minority outreach” agenda?

//

317 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 7:08:56am

re: #316 Bulworth

So is this another part of the GOP’s “minority outreach” agenda?

//

Yes. This is their attempt to get the votes of all those who have been possessed by demons. Rather a lot if you listen to some of their saliva-spewing brethren.
/

318 Bulworth  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 7:11:04am

re: #263 Vicious Babushka

Bryan Derping about Teh Ghey, as usual.

The GOP could stand for marriage equality.

319 Bulworth  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 7:14:17am

re: #297 Flounder

Madge?

320 Bulworth  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 7:15:48am

re: #284 freetoken

Derp

321 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 7:41:42am

Projection and turnspeak, favorite tools of RWNJs.

322 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 7:42:21am

DERP DERP HURR HURR

323 Dr. Matt  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 7:43:50am

re: #321 Vicious Babushka

Leftist elites and global corporates ignore US constitution. Their pursuit of power and money knows no border or limit. #tcot #ccot #tgdn
— Kirk D Relford (@KirkDRelford) March 18, 2013.

Yes, remember when Leftist SuperPacs raised hundreds of millions of secretiveness dollars at an attempt buy the Presidency!?!? Derperty Derp

324 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 7:45:48am

re: #321 Vicious Babushka

Projection and turnspeak, favorite tools of RWNJs.

Nice IMAX he’s got.

325 Dr. Matt  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 7:48:25am

re: #263 Alouette

Supporting natural marriage, opposing sodomy-based marriage should be absolute non-negotiable for GOP. Stand for something!
— Bryan Fischer (@BryanJFischer) March 18, 2013

So, what’s their take about heterosexual married couples who regularly have sodomy together?

326 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 7:49:00am

re: #325 Dr. Matt

So, what’s their take about heterosexual married couples who regularly have sodomy together?

And his head just asploded.

327 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 7:49:20am

DERP. ANOTHER FAKE QUOTE.

328 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 7:50:34am

re: #327 Vicious Babushka

DERP. ANOTHER FAKE QUOTE.

What a bunch of dipshits.
-Jesus.

329 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 7:51:50am

re: #298 Vicious Babushka

So, red state = emphysema, PTSD, and smeared face paint, while blue state = balloon hats and non-smeared face paint.

Huh.

It is interesting how 99% of wingnuts seem to hold their opinions as a matter of personal identity rather than policy. A narcissistic narrative scaled up for a whole nation. Whatever the issue is, they always view it as being about Who We Are and What We Stand For. A narrative of personal identity that gets recounted by a group to itself. It’s meant as something to define you.

330 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 7:52:30am

re: #328 Varek Raith

What a bunch of dipshits.
-Jesus.

My momma always said, “Life was like a box of chocolates. You never
know what you’re gonna get.”

— Aristotle

331 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 7:53:42am

You know, Mother, life is like a box of chocolates: You never know what you’re going to get. Your life, however, is more like a box of active grenades!
- Stewie Griffin

333 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 7:57:13am

Socrates always said, “Life is like a cup of hemlock. You do know how it is gonna end.”
— Plato

334 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 7:59:25am

“I did not say any of that stupid shit on the Internet. George Washington said it.”—Thomas Jefferson.
“I did not say any of that stupid shit Thomas Jefferson says I did. It was Benjamin Franklin.”—George Washington.
“I did not say any of that stupid shit those douchebags Washington and Jefferson said I did.”—Benjamin Franklin.

335 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:01:03am

“Your Majesty is like a stream of bat’s piss.”
— Oscar Wilde (but attributed to James Whistler)

336 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:03:21am

Yippee-ki-yay, motherfucker.
— John Adams

337 SidewaysQuark  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:03:37am

re: #334 Vicious Babushka

“I did not say any of that stupid shit on the Internet. George Washington said it.”—Thomas Jefferson.
“I did not say any of that stupid shit Thomas Jefferson says I did. It was Benjamin Franklin.”—George Washington.
“I did not say any of that stupid shit those douchebags Washington and Jefferson said I did.”—Benjamin Franklin.

If you they’re pissed about being misquoted, just think how the Prophets must feel about “holy” books.

338 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:04:35am

behindthewall.nbcnews.com

Good filtration and processing, or “normal” is a pretty low standard. Which do you think it is?

339 122 Year Old Obama  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:05:08am

After a hard day’s fragging, I enjoy the crisp, refeshing taste of Pepsi cola. It’s my choice, and the choice of yet another swarm of raging monsters!
— George Washington

340 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:06:25am

re: #241 freetoken

Re-watching the Disney not-quite-a-hit The Black Hole… I had forgotten how bad it was. Stupid dialogue, cardboard acting (from an experienced cast too), and just wrong physics.

Funky music though.

I saw this when it came out and was blown away by how bad it was. Wikipedia suggests that there may be a remake coming:

In November 2009, it was reported that Disney has plans to remake the movie. Director Joseph Kosinski and producer Sean Bailey are attached to the production.

Maybe they think they can do it right this time?

341 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:06:32am

I would charge up San Juan Hill again for a Coke! Bully!
— Theodore Roosevelt

342 122 Year Old Obama  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:06:58am

Live from New York, It’s Saturday Night!
— Thomas Jefferson

343 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:08:38am

My preference is for the Samsung Galaxy over the Apple iPhone.
— Francis Lightfoot Lee, 1778

344 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:09:52am

“Sally Hemings would have totally been unable to stop me from raping her if she had an AR-15, because then she would be raped AND hanged.”—Thomas Jefferson.

345 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:10:32am

re: #340 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

I saw this when it came out and was blown away by how bad it was. Wikipedia suggests that there may be a remake coming:

Maybe they think they can do it right this time?

It’s Disney. They’d probably hire Brian Fischer as their physics adviser o_O

346 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:11:11am

re: #257 Vicious Babushka

Or am I thinking about Scorcese’s “Last Temptation” (which I also never saw)

Could you be thinking of Lucy from Mr. Deity?

347 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:11:17am

“Four out of five dentists prefer Sugarless Trident gum.”
— Christian Szell DDS

348 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:12:00am

In order to thwart any British attempts at recolonization of America we have set up a Twitter Gulag Defense Network or, #TGDN.
— John Penn, 1777

349 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:12:35am

DERP DERP HURR HURR

350 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:12:37am

re: #342 122 Year Old Obama

Live from New York, It’s Saturday Night!
— Thomas Jefferson

Hmm. What would Jefferson have been doing on Saturday night in NYC anyways?

351 Destro  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:13:00am

Am I the only one who thinks it’s cool Obama looks like Satan? I think Satan is a cool dude myself. He is my favorite fictional character next to Spider-Man.

352 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:14:21am

re: #345 William Barnett-Lewis

It’s Disney. They’d probably hire Brian Fischer as their physics adviser o_O

Well, isn’t a black hole the places where God divided by zero?

353 dragonath  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:14:49am

re: #304 freetoken

Reuters trying real hard with the headline:

Republicans detail plan to embrace diversity

The document is a product of a group that doesn’t control the GOP, which won’t be listened to by the majority of GOP candidates, and said document is really more about “messaging” than actual policy changes.

Romney Blames Loss On Successfully Communicating His Message To Minorities

354 Lidane  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:15:56am

re: #270 Vicious Babushka

I have not yet seen any wingnuts argue “If only that girl in Steubenville had an AR-15.”

That’s because they’re too busy arguing that she was a drunk slut who asked for it and then changed her mind later.

355 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:16:06am

I believe that this nation should commit itself to achieving the goal, before this decade is out, of landing a man on the Moon and returning him safely to the Earth.
— Henry V

356 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:16:07am

re: #353 dragonath

Romney Blames Loss On Successfully Communicating His Message To Minorities

Once again the Onion hits the nail straight on the head. And the GOP advisors are already essentially edging that way - fewer debates, less exposure of the candidate(s) to the media, etc.

357 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:16:24am

LOL DERP

358 Lidane  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:17:25am

re: #349 Vicious Babushka

DERP DERP HURR HURR

Wasn’t that pretty much the plan in the first fucking place?

Yeah. That turned out well. =P

359 Destro  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:17:47am

re: #72 Gus 802

The original Jews were Arabs. They were likely much like Palestinians. Being an Arab does not denote religion. There are Christian Arabs. There are Muslim Arabs. There are Jewish Arabs. Jesus, if there was such a person, was not Irish.

re: #74 Kragar (Antichrist )

Why do you hate America?
///

According to DNA evidence the closest relatives to Hebrews and Jews in Europe are Greeks and Italians (if I am reading the DNA correctly).

thejc.com

Meanwhile, our nearest genetic relatives in the non-Jewish world in Europe are Italians and other southern Europeans. In the Middle East it is the Palestinians, Druze and, to a lesser degree, Bedouins.

In other words, populations still around from the Hellenistic era and the Roman Empire.

360 makeitstop  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:17:57am

re: #307 freetoken

They don’t like the new and improved GOP either?

The news that Obama is Satan has got them scared.
/

361 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:18:44am

re: #355 Gus

I believe that this nation should commit itself to achieving the goal, before this decade is out, of landing a man on the Moon and returning him safely to the Earth.
— Henry V

“We few, we happy few, we band of brothers.”
— Neil Armstrong

362 dragonath  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:19:42am

I love my fluffy, stupid cat, Fwibbums. Come to daddy! Ooh, here’s a treat!

-Robespierre

363 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:20:25am

re: #362 dragonath

I love my fluffy, stupid cat, Fwibbums. Come to daddy! Ooh, here’s a treat!

-Robespierre

FAKE QUOTE!

“And another one bites the dust!”—Robespierre.

364 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:20:32am

re: #361 Feline Fearless Leader

“We few, we happy few, we band of brothers.”
— Neil Armstrong

“That’s one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind.”
— Jesus

365 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:21:46am

“Are you guys ready? Let’s roll.”—Henry Ford.

366 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:21:51am

re: #364 Gus

“That’s one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind.”
— Jesus

“Inconceivable!”
— Judas

367 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:22:41am

There is hilarity in my work area today as the team works on a profanity filter for customer feedback forms.

368 SidewaysQuark  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:22:43am

re: #351 Destro

Am I the only one who thinks it’s cool Obama looks like Satan? I think Satan is a cool dude myself. He is my favorite fictional character next to Spider-Man.

Expelled™ from the kingdom of a tyrant for having the courage to think for himself - my kind of guy. :-)

369 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:22:44am

re: #364 Gus

“That’s one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind.”
— Jesus

“Fill your hands, you son of a bitch!”
— Gandhi

370 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:22:51am

re: #351 Destro

Am I the only one who thinks it’s cool Obama looks like Satan? I think Satan is a cool dude myself. He is my favorite fictional character next to Spider-Man.

No, he’s a Sith Lord.

371 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:23:36am

He tried to kill me with a forklift, ole!
-Thomas Jefferson

372 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:24:12am

re: #367 Vicious Babushka

There is hilarity in my work area today as the team works on a profanity filter for customer feedback forms.

Good luck with that. Especially if it has to handle multiple languages *and* slang thereof.

373 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:25:12am

“I know what you’re thinking. “Did he fire six shots or only five?” Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement I kind of lost track myself. But being as this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow your head clean off, you’ve got to ask yourself one question: Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk?”
— Thomas Jefferson, #TGDN #TCOT #UCOT #PJMEDIA #WAR

374 Destro  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:25:28am

re: #368 SidewaysQuark

ExpelledTM from the kingdom of a tyrant for having the courage to think for himself - my kind of guy. :-)

If it wasn’t for Satan’s awesome influence all music would sound like Pat Boone sang it.

375 Lidane  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:25:31am

“My father was a relentlessly self-improving boulangerie owner from Belgium with low grade narcolepsy and a penchant for buggery. My mother was a fifteen year old French prostitute named Chloe with webbed feet. My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. My childhood was typical.” — Jesus

376 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:26:46am

The fake quotes are fun! Now, we just have to make graphics out of them, superimposed on a picture of the one who allegedly said it, release them into TGDN and watch it GO VIRAL!!!1111!!!!!

377 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:27:22am

Buffering…
-George Washington

378 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:27:37am

re: #376 Vicious Babushka

The fake quotes are fun! Now, we just have to make graphics out of them, superimposed on a picture of the one who allegedly said it, release them into TGDN and watch it GO VIRAL!!!1111!!!!!

ICANHAZTGDNVIRALNUTBURGER!

379 Lidane  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:28:15am

Ben Franklin: What do you want me to do, sir?

George Washington: I want you to round up every vicious criminal and gunslinger in the west. Take this down — I want rustlers, cut throats, murderers, bounty hunters, desperadoes, mugs, pugs, thugs, nitwits, halfwits, dimwits, vipers, snipers, con men, Indian agents, Mexican bandits, muggers, buggerers, bushwhackers, hornswogglers, horse thieves, bull dykes, train robbers, bank robbers, ass-kickers, shit-kickers and Methodists!

Franklin: Could you repeat that, sir?

380 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:28:24am

[carrier lost]
— IJN Gen Nagumo

381 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:29:22am

I explained all of this in the parable about the two girls with one cup. I’m not going to repeat myself.

Jesus

382 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:29:40am

I accidentally the whole horse. Is that bad?
-Abe Lincoln.

383 Destro  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:30:23am

re: #129 The Ghost of a Flea

And the ancient Greeks were building upon tech and ideas that came from the ancient Egyptians, at least a dozen Middle Eastern civilizations that had risen and fell, and possibly stuff from afar afield as India and China (and maybe places like the Sudan and Zimbabwe, for that matter). To say nothing of all the places that developed their own knowledge systems independent of the Mediterranean complex of interlinked societies.

Centering everything on the Bible is, well, a giant middle finger at the world. And also gross because the primacy of the Bible as the document is the end result of a lot of violence and exploitation. Ballsy missionaries leading by example are sort of the minority compared to conversion by sword and other coercive means.

Addendum: it occurs to me that the kind of “the Bible is all” statement is also a giant diss to the Jewish legal scholars, scientists, and philosophers that endeavored to make the materials of the Torah mess with the natural and social worlds of their eras.

During the enlightenment and the dawn of the industrial age people started to ask themselves how far humanity would have advanced if Alexander the Great had not died at a young age. He was planning to explore the Arabian peninsula and sail down the coast of east Africa and who knows how much earlier the America’s would have been discovered and how much earlier man would have landed on the moon, etc.

384 Lidane  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:31:09am

John Boehner: Last thing I need at this point in my career is fifteen hundred Barack Obama disciples running around these halls. He jeopardizes my ability to effectively govern this legislative body.

Eric Cantor: Well, makes you look like an ass is what he does, John.

385 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:32:47am

“There is one notable thing about our Christianity: bad, bloody, merciless, money-grabbing, and predatory as it is—in our country particularly and in all other Christian countries in a somewhat modified degree—it is still a hundred times better than the Christianity of the Bible, with its prodigious crime—the invention of Hell. Measured by our Christianity of to-day, bad as it is, hypocritical as it is, empty and hollow as it is, neither the Deity nor his Son is a Christian, nor qualified for that moderately high place. Ours is a terrible religion. The fleets of the world could swim in spacious comfort in the innocent blood it has spilled.”

— Mark Twain

(Oops. That one isn’t fake!)

386 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:33:40am

re: #376 Vicious Babushka

The fake quotes are fun! Now, we just have to make graphics out of them, superimposed on a picture of the one who allegedly said it, release them into TGDN and watch it GO VIRAL!!!1111!!!!!

Image: Jefferson-Derp.jpg

387 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:37:10am

“Don’t fire until you see the whites of their eyes.”
— Bono, TED Talks

388 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:38:44am
389 Lidane  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:38:48am
390 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:39:50am

Well, we’re going to ignore what was said at CPAC but we are going to hire hundreds of people to spread the GOP word to the black communities in this country!

391 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:40:46am

re: #387 Gus

“Don’t fire until you see the whites of their eyes.”
— Bono, TED Talks

“Plastics.”
- St. Francis of Assisi

392 Interesting Times  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:41:07am

re: #388 Gus

Reince Priebus is a smarmy little git.
—Winston Churchill

393 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:41:08am

re: #390 Gus

Well, we’re going to ignore what was said at CPAC but we are going to hire hundreds of people to spread the GOP word to the black communities in this country!

ACCIO FREDERICK DOUGLASS!

Now we’re protected against all criticism.

394 Lidane  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:41:53am
395 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:42:38am

Slavery in the USA wasn’t THAT bad.
— Rinse Penis

396 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:43:31am

Is Philippus Aureolus Theophrastus Bombastus von Hohenheim going to have to choke a bitch?

397 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:44:00am

I like big butts and I cannot lie.—George Washington.

398 makeitstop  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:45:41am

re: #388 Gus

So Reince Priebus got asked about the CPAC race panel today

And his answer was every bit as tone-deaf and non-responsive as I expected it to be.

399 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:46:48am

Falafel run! BBIAB

Image: PHL-MamaC.jpg

400 Lidane  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:47:24am
401 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:48:00am

A falafel run sounds like some extreme form of kink or a very obscure infantry maneuver.

402 makeitstop  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:48:07am

Pimpin’ Ain’t Easy.

- Reince Priebus

403 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:49:04am

re: #399 Feline Fearless Leader

Falafel run! BBIAB

Image: PHL-MamaC.jpg

“Falafel run! BBIAB”
- Lao Tzu

404 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:54:34am

SimCity PSA.

405 iossarian  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:56:48am

re: #394 Lidane

Just another responsible gun owner! What is it with folks wanting to restrict these law-abiding citizens from owning guns?

406 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:58:38am

re: #402 makeitstop

Pimpin’ Ain’t Easy.

- Reince Priebus

Cash rules everything around me: C.R.E.A.M. Get tha money, dolla-dolla bill yawwwwl.
- James Madison

407 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 8:58:49am

[Sound of car screeching to a halt.]

408 Lidane  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 9:00:25am

re: #407 Gus

Wait, what?

Last I checked, sexually assaulting a child is absolutely a crime. WTF.

409 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 9:02:12am
410 Lidane  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 9:02:14am

Calling Rand Paul:

411 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 9:02:57am

re: #407 Gus

[Sound of car screeching to a halt.]

So it’s an illness.

And given what the Church is doing, the prescription of “build a worldwide conspiracy to move the sick people around while doing nothing about the unacceptable, horrible behavior” is apparently the treatment.

412 iossarian  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 9:03:38am

Shorter cardinal: You can’t blame priests for molesting children if they were molested themselves in the past*. Thus, stop picking on the catholic church!

Shorter shorter cardinal: I have difficulty avoiding obvious conversation pitfalls.

* There is, of course, some truth to at least this part of the statement. Not so much the conclusion though.

413 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 9:05:15am
“From my experience, pedophilia is actually an illness. It’s not a criminal condition, it’s an illness,” he said.

Napier said he knew of at least two priests who became pedophiles after they were abused as children.

“Now don’t tell me that those people are criminally responsible like somebody who chooses to do something like that. I don’t think you can really take the position and say that person deserves to be punished. He was himself damaged.”

414 Lidane  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 9:05:54am
415 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 9:06:21am

re: #408 Lidane

Wait, what?

Last I checked, sexually assaulting a child is absolutely a crime. WTF.

Being sexually attracted to children is not a crime per se. Acting on that attraction, however … .

416 geoffm33  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 9:08:51am

Hello all, been a few days, how was everyone’s weekend?

417 Lidane  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 9:10:32am
418 Lidane  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 9:12:06am

I eagerly await CPAC 2014 where Caribou Barbie chain smokes her way through a pack of Marlboro Reds:

419 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 9:15:07am

Derp.

420 Lidane  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 9:17:11am

re: #419 Gus

Related:

421 Lidane  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 9:18:00am
422 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 9:21:17am

Took the kids to the park the other day, slipped and fell down a hill while we were there. My ankle and knee are swollen up today, hard to put any weight on them right now.

423 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 9:21:21am

re: #401 The Ghost of a Flea

A falafel run sounds like some extreme form of kink or a very obscure infantry maneuver.

One of the least-known routes through the asteroid belt.

424 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 9:23:38am

Bachmann: If We Cared, We’d Cure Alzheimer’s Disease in Ten Years

Rep. Michele Bachmann delivered a typically incoherent speech at CPAC this year which revolved around the theme of caring; specifically, conservatives care and liberals do not.

To demonstrate her point, Bachmann claimed that people cared back in the 1950s, which was why Dr. Jonas Salk found a vaccine for polio and then gave it to President Eisenhower who, because he also cared, then gave it to all Americans.

Contrast that to today when the nation is facing the costs associated with treating Alzheimer’s Disease when “a much smarter strategy would be to develop a cure. That’s caring!”

Yeah, no one is working on a cure or studying Alzheimer’s right now.
///

425 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 9:24:15am

re: #420 Lidane

Related:

That’s it. That’s all it took for the wingnuts and it’s that NBP “case.” Now, he’s a radical. Heck, most of these idiots think I’m a radical.

426 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 9:25:37am

CPAC Speaker encourages voter fraud for straw poll.

427 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 9:26:09am

re: #426 Kragar (Antichrist )

CPAC Speaker encourages voter fraud for straw poll.

[Embedded content]

Must be a Democrat plant.
///

428 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 9:26:14am

Couple of weeks ago Adam Baldwin was calling Milt Shook a “radical leftist.” I laughed.

429 freetoken  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 9:26:36am

re: #424 Kragar (Antichrist )

This from the woman who dissed government involvement in polio vaccinations.

430 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 9:26:43am

re: #423 Decatur Deb

One of the least-known routes through the asteroid belt.

I understand the Millennium Falcon can do the Falafel run in less than 12 parsecs.

431 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 9:27:01am
432 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 9:28:35am

re: #423 Decatur Deb

One of the least-known routes through the asteroid belt.

That’s No Asteroid!

433 freetoken  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 9:29:08am

Rinsed Prius’ little document is earning him accolades in certain circles - e.g., Garance Franke-Ruta who’s trying to make it sound like a big deal:

What You Need to Read in the RNC Election Autopsy Report

But over at the New Republic, Alec McGillis calls out the Rinsed One on his (and Ari F.’s) hypocrisy:

Reince Priebus’s Plan Recommends Not Behaving Like Reince Priebus

434 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 9:31:04am

re: #422 Kragar (Antichrist )

Took the kids to the park the other day, slipped and fell down a hill while we were there. My ankle and knee are swollen up today, hard to put any weight on them right now.

GET XRAYS!

435 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 9:33:35am

HAHAHA

436 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 9:33:51am

re: #383 Destro

During the enlightenment and the dawn of the industrial age people started to ask themselves how far humanity would have advanced if Alexander the Great had not died at a young age. He was planning to explore the Arabian peninsula and sail down the coast of east Africa and who knows how much earlier the America’s would have been discovered and how much earlier man would have landed on the moon, etc.

Er, Alexander was shit at governing. Absolute shit.

437 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 9:34:22am

re: #422 Kragar (Antichrist )

Took the kids to the park the other day, slipped and fell down a hill while we were there. My ankle and knee are swollen up today, hard to put any weight on them right now.

No fucking way. This adds to the already two broken legs at LGF this winter.

438 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 9:34:35am

re: #434 Vicious Babushka

GET XRAYS!

Got them iced and on ibuprofen now. If its still bad later, got a buddy who can drive me to urgentcare after work. I called in sick and took the day off.

439 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 9:35:40am

re: #437 Gus

No fucking way. This adds to the already two broken legs at LGF this winter.

Nah, nowhere near broken, I got busted up enough in the Marines to know a sprain.

440 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 9:36:51am

re: #436 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Er, Alexander was shit at governing. Absolute shit.

Better example, where would we be today if the Roman Empire hadn’t fallen?

441 Lidane  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 9:37:14am

re: #435 Vicious Babushka

Yeah! Just like that mass exodus of Republicans after Reagan passed immigration reform.

Oh. Wait.

442 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 9:37:31am
443 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 9:37:35am

re: #436 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Er, Alexander was shit at governing. Absolute shit.

And it only got worse when the empire was split up on his death.

444 Flounder  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 9:38:35am

re: #437 Gus

re: #439 Kragar (Antichrist )

Apparently, Lizards don’t go down gracefully, get well you two!

445 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 9:42:09am

re: #444 Flounder

re: #439 Kragar (Antichrist )

Apparently, Lizards don’t go down gracefully, get well you two!

Kirkspencer broke his fibula. Much worse than mine.

447 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 9:44:36am

re: #445 Gus

Kirkspencer broke his fibula. Much worse than mine.

Once is an accident.
Twice is a coincidence.
Three times is enemy action.

448 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 9:45:45am

re: #440 Kragar (Antichrist )

Better example, where would we be today if the Roman Empire hadn’t fallen?

Probably in much worse shape, too. Now, if the Republic hadn’t fallen, that might have been cool.

449 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 9:45:58am

re: #445 Gus

Kirkspencer broke his fibula. Much worse than mine.

Sounds like this bipedal lizard experiment has been a failure. Except for perhaps running across *unfrozen* water. That has a bit more give if you fall though.
;)

450 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 9:46:05am

re: #445 Gus

Kirkspencer broke his fibula. Much worse than mine.

And my wife broke her tibia and fibula. So I count, by proxy.

451 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 9:46:54am

re: #450 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

And my wife broke her tibia and fibula. So I count, by proxy.

Therefore… ENEMY ACTION!

452 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 9:46:56am

re: #450 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

And my wife broke her tibia and fibula. So I count, by proxy.

Does this require our resident poet to write “Ode to a Broken Lizard” then?

453 Lidane  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 9:47:27am
454 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 9:47:58am

re: #448 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Probably in much worse shape, too. Now, if the Republic hadn’t fallen, that might have been cool.

True, though the later Empire did have a couple serious reformers, though by then, it was too little, too late.

455 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 9:48:06am

re: #452 Feline Fearless Leader

Does this require our resident poet to write “Ode to a Broken Lizard” then?

If you cut off one of our tails it grows back. //

456 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 9:49:22am

re: #455 Gus

If you cut off one of our tails it grows back. //

Hmm, so the key is opening a restaurant that specializes in cooking lizard tail and hydra heads?
;)

457 Flounder  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 9:49:39am

You can’t keep a good lizard down.

kirkspencer you get better too!

458 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 9:50:13am

re: #455 Gus

If you cut off one of our tails it grows back. //

I just took a look and this doesn’t seem to be working for me. ///

459 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 9:51:24am

RWNJ think, 1 out of 3 is OK.

460 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 9:52:19am

re: #452 Feline Fearless Leader

Does this require our resident poet to write “Ode to a Broken Lizard” then?

There once was a lizard all scaly
Strolling along smirking quite gaily
When along came some black ice
And in a moment, a trice,
He fell down and broke his ukulele.

461 Lidane  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 9:53:15am

re: #419 Gus

462 Destro  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 9:53:52am

re: #436 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Er, Alexander was shit at governing. Absolute shit.

His empire stayed united even when he was on campaigns so what he left in place did all the governing - mostly because Alexander continued local set ups as is.

The best ruler is one who does not rule.

What Alexander was shit at was setting up a secession because he thought he was immortal maybe.

Also, I was commenting on thoughts of men from the era of the enlightenment and the dawn of the industrial age. Specifically Arnold J. Toynbee’s “If Alexander the Great had Lived On” thesis.

Sorry, I have the benefits of a classical education.

Another “what if” theme is ‘what if the Library of Alexandria” had never burned down (how much more advanced would we be today?).

463 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 9:54:26am

Hey Obdi, wanna join me in overthrowing EA???

See, in the new SimCity, you don’t need commercial or industrial plots. At all. Just residential and parks provides all the money and happiness your citizens need…
WTF is this shit?!

464 Tigger2005  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 9:54:35am

re: #383 Destro

During the enlightenment and the dawn of the industrial age people started to ask themselves how far humanity would have advanced if Alexander the Great had not died at a young age. He was planning to explore the Arabian peninsula and sail down the coast of east Africa and who knows how much earlier the America’s would have been discovered and how much earlier man would have landed on the moon, etc.

I think it’s more relevant to ask what would have happened if Rome had remained a Republic and hadn’t collapsed from internal and external stresses. Making Christianity the official religion was an attempt to recover some stability. Still…would Rome’s survival as a Hellenized republic have led to modernization? China maintained a vast and relatively stable Empire, rich in learning, philosophy and art, for centuries, yet never developed science and technology to the degree Europe did. The competition between the various European kingdoms eventually spurred a lot of scientific development.

465 Joanne  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 9:54:51am

re: #453 Lidane

If the GOP would just stop trying to stop minorities from voting, women from making medical choices and gays from marrying, outreach done.

Unfortunately, where the GOP once had good ideas about fiscal policy, they no longer have that either. I struggle to find ANYTHING the GOP has to offer the American public, even if they were to manage all that outreach.

466 freetoken  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 9:56:14am

Here’s some of that new GOP outreach for you:

Opinion: Iowa Rep. Says All Liberals Should Move to Detroit, Chicago

There’s no place for liberals in Rep. Steve King’s America. King, an Iowa Republican who looks like Todd Akin on a bad hair day, is one of those conservatives who loves his country, but hates most of the people he has to share it with. At last weekend’s Conservative Political Action Conference, King gave a speech that sounded like a bid to become the Michelle Bachmann of the 2016 presidential campaign — a right-wing crank longer on intolerance than facts.

First, King attacked a Democratic colleague for sullying a bill to extend educational opportunities to combat veterans by adding “women and minorities.”


Then, the congressman suggested that liberals who don’t share his view of American exceptionalism — which would certainly include the 53 percent who voted for Barack Obama — should either leave the country, or move to Detroit or Chicago.

“So that’s what I ask of all of you: join me in restoring the pillars of American exceptionalism,” he said. “And for those who think that the kind and gentle language of self-deportation is what cost the presidency, I would suggest to the leftists that have deconstructed the rule of law, America’s pillars of American exceptionalism, cities like Detroit and Chicago, either go live in those enclaves that you’ve constructed, or you go ahead and self-deport. We’ve got a country to restore together.”

[…]

The video:


landing.newsinc.com

467 I Am Kreniigh!  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 9:57:08am

re: #51 SpaceJesus

The Viking show had much promise, but I think it’s got a fair amount of Christian proselytizing in it as well

Check out the Vertigo Comics series Northlanders for some excellent Viking/Christian historical fiction, without a religious axe to grind (ha!).

468 Destro  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 9:58:48am

re: #440 Kragar (Antichrist )

Better example, where would we be today if the Roman Empire hadn’t fallen?

Am I the only one who has read Tonybee? It’s an actual thing regarding Alexander


Toynbee, Arnold J. “If Alexander the Great had Lived On”

Divergence: 323 BCE

What if: Alexander of Macedon listened to his physicians’ advice in 323 BCE, and later returned to the Mediterranean.

Summary: How Alexander made the Pheonicians his Navy, conquered Carthage, allied with Rome, conquered India and Ch’in and finally died in 287 BCE.
Comments: Synopsis in Alexander Demandt’s Ungeschehene Geschichte, q.v.
Published: In Some Problems in Greek History, Oxford University 1969.

469 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 9:59:08am

The site currently offers over 20 courses, which take a couple of hours to complete. Right now, students can earn scholarship money by completing courses like, “Does Capitalism Hurt the Poor?” “Is the Second Amendment Worth Protecting?” and “Has Science Buried God?”

470 freetoken  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 10:01:17am

These days it seems that everyone is trying to re-evaluate the Iraq War… but the Economist, which I have often associated with a staidness normally associated with lengthy articles on economics, calls it bluntly:

The Iraq war: Anniversary of a mass delusion

471 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 10:01:24am

FREE THINK U | Free-thinkers earning scholarships by wrestling with politically correct ideas.

Bestiality 101

Posted on March 11, 2013

By Katherine Timpf | Yale hosts workshop teaching sensitivity to bestiality | On Saturday afternoon, Yale hosted a “sensitivity training” in which students were asked to consider topics such as bestiality, incest, and accepting money for sex. During the workshop, entitled, “Sex: Am I Normal,” students anonymously asked and answered questions about sex using their cell phones,… Read More →

472 Destro  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 10:01:33am

re: #464 Tigger2005

I think it’s more relevant to ask what would have happened if Rome had remained a Republic and hadn’t collapsed from internal and external stresses. Making Christianity the official religion was an attempt to recover some stability. Still…would Rome’s survival as a Hellenized republic have led to modernization? China maintained a vast and relatively stable Empire, rich in learning, philosophy and art, for centuries, yet never developed science and technology to the degree Europe did. The competition between the various European kingdoms eventually spurred a lot of scientific development.

If Rome remained a Republic we would not have had a Roman Empire. Christianity would have still happened even if there was not a Roman empire but it would be called something else - Christianity is pretty much Greek philosophy with eastern mysticism and resurrection/after life cult.

473 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 10:01:36am

Checking parody meter…

474 Bulworth  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 10:01:52am

re: #442 Kragar (Antichrist )

RINO!

475 Lidane  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 10:02:23am

re: #469 Gus

I wonder what these people would say about my senior thesis in undergrad, where I made a utilitarian case in favor of both outsourcing and offshoring of labor, and suggested that the US government didn’t need any additional regulations of either one.

It would be hilarious to find out.

476 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 10:02:51am

Oh, I see. They’re just whining about one course held at Yale that was about the topic of bestiality. Or something.

477 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 10:03:23am

re: #468 Destro

The streets of Philadelphia like to talk about Toynbee.

en.wikipedia.org

478 freetoken  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 10:04:50am

re: #476 Gus

How about this one: “Expelled: The Origins Debate”. Yes, they use a picture of you know who.

479 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 10:04:56am

From TPM:

So drastically shorter primary phase, much earlier nominating convention, many fewer debates. Aren’t all of Reince Priebus’s structural reforms basically aimed at dramatically reducing the time period in which the actual Republican party base is on display for the public at large?

New GOP strategy: The less they know about us, the better.

480 Mattand  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 10:05:05am

re: #477 Feline Fearless Leader

The streets of Philadelphia like to talk about Toynbee.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

I saw those things in Center City for years before I found what they actually were.

481 Bulworth  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 10:05:13am
“So that’s what I ask of all of you: join me in restoring the pillars of American exceptionalism,” he said. “And for those who think that the kind and gentle language of self-deportation is what cost the presidency, I would suggest to the leftists that have deconstructed the rule of law, America’s pillars of American exceptionalism, cities like Detroit and Chicago, either go live in those enclaves that you’ve constructed, or you go ahead and self-deport. We’ve got a country to restore together.”

There’s some spoiled lettuce in this word salad…

482 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 10:05:18am

Yes, FreethinkU. Going up against a liberal academia by being yet another goofy RWNJ blog.

483 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 10:06:42am

re: #478 freetoken

How about this one: “Expelled: The Origins Debate”. Yes, they use a picture of you know who.

Image: 480264_473760802671847_271910924_n.jpg

484 Lidane  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 10:07:15am

re: #470 freetoken

These days it seems that everyone is trying to re-evaluate the Iraq War… but the Economist, which I have often associated with a staidness normally associated with lengthy articles on economics, calls it bluntly:

The Iraq war: Anniversary of a mass delusion

Shorter Economist: The anti-war crowd were right all along.

485 Interesting Times  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 10:07:35am

re: #476 Gus

Oh, I see. They’re just whining about one course held at Yale that was about the topic of bestiality. Or something.

Ironic, because the only politician I can think of who was into that sort thing is…

GOP Activists Admit Beastiality, but Not Gay Sex

But the ugly face of beastiality has reared again, in the form of aptly-named anti-abortion terrorism advocate Neal Horsley. On the FOX News Radio program “The Alan Colmes Show,” Horsley apparently freely admitted to engaging in beastiality as a youngster.

“Is it true?” Colmes asked.

“Hey, Alan, if you want to accuse me of having sex when I was a fool, I did everything that crossed my mind that looked like I…”

AC: “You had sex with animals?”

NH: “Absolutely. I was a fool. When you grow up on a farm in Georgia, your first girlfriend is a mule.”

His last name becomes howlingly appropriate under the circumstances.

486 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 10:07:42am

Derp. Meaning is a human response. Matter, atoms, the universe has no meaning in the human sense.

487 freetoken  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 10:07:44am

re: #482 Gus

They do have a page though that will take your money.

488 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 10:09:28am

re: #487 freetoken

They do have a page though that will take your money.

twitter.com

489 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 10:09:33am

re: #480 Mattand

I saw those things in Center City for years before I found what they actually were.

I just thought they were some sort of weird street art or advertising thing like the stickers that end up all over utility poles. Ended up one day chatting with the guy that directed the 2011 documentary about them and he mentioned that he and others were making a film about them.

en.wikipedia.org

490 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 10:10:48am

re: #483 Gus

Image: 480264_473760802671847_271910924_n.jpg

Ol’ C.S. is a wonderfully neutral person to be commenting about atheism.
:p //

491 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 10:12:58am
492 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 10:13:24am

re: #462 Destro

His empire stayed united even when he was on campaigns so what he left in place did all the governing - mostly because Alexander continued local set ups as is.

They mostly stayed united because they were worried Alexander would come back and smash the fuck out of them, and because he left governor-generals in place. He didn’t really leave intact old power structures, especially in Persia, where he disrupted the bureacracy quite a lot. And the states he conquered weren’t really united— precisely because he did leave in place some, but not all, old power structures. That’s why, when he died, everything fell apart immediately. I’m not sure why you think that if he’d conquered more lands that would have changed. Can you explain?

The best ruler is one who does not rule.

That’s fatuous and really stupid, but at least it’s pithy.

What Alexander was shit at was setting up a secession because he thought he was immortal maybe.

He was shit at pretty much every aspect of governing. He was good at warfare. That’s all.

Also, I was commenting on thoughts of men from the era of the enlightenment and the dawn of the industrial age. Specifically Arnold J. Toynbee’s “If Alexander the Great had Lived On” thesis.

Sorry, I have the benefits of a classical education.

Yeah, I think Toynbee’s story is pretty silly, too. Also, Toynbee has Alexander returning to the Mediterranean, and gives credit for the actual reformation of this empire into a civilization to Alexander’s successor, not to Alexander himself. Remember?


By the way, the big deal you make about your education, about Americans being stupid, etc., it comes across as massively insecure— especially when combined with you typically massively overextending a hypothesis.

493 Lidane  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 10:14:00am

Good question:

494 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 10:14:05am

re: #485 Interesting Times

Ironic, because the only politician I can think of who was into that sort thing is…

GOP Activists Admit Beastiality, but Not Gay Sex

His last name becomes howlingly appropriate under the circumstances.

POE???

495 CuriousLurker  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 10:14:15am

re: #491 FemNaziBitch

This is how I feel about LGF.

LOL, you’re gonna give the guys a complex.

496 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 10:14:36am

re: #491 FemNaziBitch

This is how I feel about LGF.

I don’t have any hats that nice.

497 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 10:14:42am

re: #493 Lidane

Good question:

Steubenville is all over my fb.

People are pissed, FINALLY

498 Bulworth  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 10:15:11am

re: #469 Gus

So FreethinkU wants you to think about their agenda. That’s some mighty freethinking there.

499 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 10:15:32am

re: #495 CuriousLurker

LOL, you’re gonna give the guys a complex.

Uh oh. I updinged that. What does that say about me? //

500 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 10:15:52am

re: #498 Bulworth

So FreethinkU wants you to think about their agenda. That’s some mighty freethinking there.

inorite

501 Destro  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 10:15:54am

re: #477 Feline Fearless Leader

The streets of Philadelphia like to talk about Toynbee.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

Tonybee! Saw a documentary about that recently!

Anyway the scholar Tonybee (out of favor now amongst scholars) didn’t invent the thesis - which was a hot topic at classical studies of the era but came up with an answer for it in writing.

502 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 10:16:19am

re: #491 FemNaziBitch

This is how I feel about LGF.

Heh. But we include pie, beer, whiskey (for those that want it), computer games, and a WH40K set-up. And that’s just the rec room while dinner is being prepared.

Though we do lose when it comes to the hats.

;)

503 CuriousLurker  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 10:16:56am

re: #499 Gus

Uh oh. I updinged that. What does that say about me? //

Hmm, indeed… *looks at Bulworth & Gus* ;)

504 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 10:17:10am

re: #502 Feline Fearless Leader

Heh. But we include pie, beer, whiskey (for those that want it), computer games, and a WH40K set-up. And that’s just the rec room while dinner is being prepared.

Though we do lose when it comes to the hats.

;)

You forgot the Oreos.

But, really sitting with my coffee at the laptop, knowing I’ll soon be with friends, is a very cool thing.

505 Destro  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 10:17:27am

re: #492 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

They mostly stayed united because they were worried Alexander would come back and smash the fuck out of them,

So they would have continued on being a united empire as long as Alexander had lived. And then we get Tonybee’s thesis of what the world would look like if Alexander lived until old age. And what happened after Alexander’s old age death would be different than the world around us today. Maybe more advanced? America’s discovery happened way earlier? Library of Alexandria still around? Steam power from Hero’s engine becomes a tool of empire? Etc. Tonybee’s work is out of print but there are lot’s of books that riff on the “What if” aspects of history. Check them out.

My education is American. I work and live for times in Europe. I had a 100% American public school education - graduated from CUNY - thank you taxpayers! America has not been right in the head since they voted Reagan in. Maybe they are sobering up these days.

506 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 10:17:54am

re: #501 Destro

Tonybee! Saw a documentary about that recently!

Anyway the scholar Tonybee (out of favor now amongst scholars) didn’t invent the thesis - which was a hot topic at classical studies of the era but came up with an answer for it in writing.

It’s not really a thesis, dude. It’s just an alternate history.

507 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 10:18:07am
509 Bulworth  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 10:19:36am

re: #507 Gus

You can’t explain that!

/

510 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 10:19:39am

Speaking of 40k, my daughter is going to be starting an army of her very own, painting and assembling it mostly by herself.

511 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 10:19:59am
512 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 10:19:59am

Noted Anti-Rape Activists At The NRA Surprisingly Cool With Domestic Abuse

So for the past few weeks the normally uber-masculine folks who are associated with the gun lobby and the other various tangential steel-phallus worshiping groups have all been very concerned with rape, or at least one very specific form of rape. NRA CEO Wayne LaPierre spoke at CPAC last week (because wherever there is an open mic LaPierre will find it through a process of passive osmosis) to once again tell the fervent crowd about how the industry that floods his 401k with blood money is literally the only force that is securing the existence of our people and a future for white women and children. Specifically, LaPierre was very concerned about the hordes of spree rapists lying in wait throughout this country and only being kept at bay by women empowered through the dependable panacea of a concealed handgun permits.

Now, many sentient people identified this latest act of trolling from the gun industry’s designated peep-show cumshield as an idiotic and patronizing shifting of responsibilities consistent with the frightfully insane hobbesian world of death that the NRA has always promoted. But since our wonderful news media still believes that empowering “both sides” of a debate outweighs the enabling of delusional asshats, this latest twist on the NRA’s myriad of masturbatory revenge fantasies is actually being taken seriously as part discussion on how to prevent rape. (Also this is a man speaking about the horrors of rape and not some overly emotional feminist-type so you know what LaPierre is saying is grounded in the truth.)

I’m actually out of sarcasm. I’m exhausted.

513 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 10:20:24am

re: #505 Destro

They mostly stayed united because they were worried Alexander would come back and smash the fuck out of them,

So they would have continued on being a united empire as long as Alexander had lived.

Yeah. Doesn’t make him a good governor, and doesn’t make the idea that he who governs least governs best (an ideal that the GOP and the Tea Party would embrace whole-heartedly, by the way) any less fatuous.

There was never any sign that Alexander was even capable of thinking about how to sinter together this disparate lands. That’s why Toynbee produces Alexander’s successor as a deus ex machina to solve the problem.

514 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 10:20:56am

re: #492 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

While a good answer, I’m not sure that feeding this troll in any of his comments is a good idea.

515 CuriousLurker  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 10:21:57am

re: #502 Feline Fearless Leader

Heh. But we include pie, beer, whiskey (for those that want it), computer games, and a WH40K set-up. And that’s just the rec room while dinner is being prepared.

Though we do lose when it comes to the hats.

;)

Ha, that reminds me—I have a screenshot of an eBay page I’ve been meaning to show you guys: Man Scents

516 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 10:22:37am
517 Lidane  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 10:23:00am
518 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 10:24:51am

re: #486 Gus

Derp. Meaning is a human response. Matter, atoms, the universe has no meaning in the human sense.

Only if the universe has meaning can we find out that it has no meaning.

519 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 10:26:33am
520 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 10:27:09am

re: #491 FemNaziBitch

This is how I feel about LGF.

I haven’t dressed like that in ages.

521 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 10:27:19am

re: #515 CuriousLurker

Ha, that reminds me—I have a screenshot of an eBay page I’ve been meaning to show you guys: Man Scents

What no Cheetos scent for really attracting the wimmins!

522 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 10:27:29am

House GOP Budget Would Give Millionaires A $200,000 Tax Cut

The GOP plan, authored by Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan (R-WI), aims to reduce the top income tax rate to 25 percent and repeals many other taxes on the rich, including the Alternative Minimum Tax and increases included in Obamacare. Ryan wants to pay for the tax cut by closing loopholes and ending tax expenditures. The budget didn’t specify which loopholes and expenditures would be eliminated, but even if all of them that benefit the rich were done away with (except for preferences for capital gains and other investments, which Ryan has said he will keep), the budget would grant millionaires a tax cut in excess of $200,000. If it doesn’t eliminate loopholes, the tax cut would only grow larger, CTJ found:

523 Interesting Times  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 10:27:35am

re: #494 FemNaziBitch

POE???

Nope. It’s real. (though I suppose sex with his partners of choice is one way to ensure no unwanted pregnancies take place…)

524 Destro  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 10:27:55am

re: #506 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

I think it was part of his overall thesis a short story to illustrate a point in a larger work.

525 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 10:29:52am

re: #522 Kragar (Antichrist )

House GOP Budget Would Give Millionaires A $200,000 Tax Cut

No specification of what loopholes or expenditures would be cut means that it’s just meaningless bafflegab. More of the “we pick the cuts we like, and you have to choose the unpopular cuts to actually make it work” junk that Ryan has been peddling from the start.

526 freetoken  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 10:30:01am

This one goes out to those parties arguing over Russian Orthodox history:

Orthodox Activists Storm Darwin Museum, Plant ‘God Created World’ Flag

Orthodox activists stormed Moscow’s Darwin Museum on Sunday, tossing leaflets with creationist slogans into the lobby and planting a “God Created the World!” flag on the roof.

The event, organized by the “God’s Will” movement, was apparently held to mark the passing of 7,522 years from the creation of the world. According to the group’s official website, the movement seeks “to fulfill the commandments of Christ through civil activism.”

One participant, Dmitry Tsorionov, said of the event on Twitter: “Check and mate, atheists! 7,522 summers from the creation of the world, creationists have seized the Darwin Museum!”

In a video posted on YouTube, activists can be seen in large groups singing hymns, wearing T-shirts denouncing the theory of evolution and proclaiming creationism, and throwing papers with religious slogans into the lobby — one of which read, “God created cats.”

[…]

Just days before that, an event in support of Pussy Riot at Teatr.doc was disrupted by Orthodox activists who stormed in with a TV crew filming as they denounced the theater event.

527 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 10:30:25am

Let’s recap…

And now…

528 freetoken  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 10:30:42am

So, it’s the year 7522.

Who knew?

529 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 10:30:47am

re: #520 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

I haven’t dressed like that in ages.

I had a dress kind of like that when I was 5, but then we moved to California and mom said she didn’t think people dressed like that out there.

530 efuseakay  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 10:31:27am

And the GOP wants to end the perception that they are stuffy old white men out of touch with everyone else? Things like this sure don’t help.

politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com

531 CuriousLurker  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 10:31:33am
532 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 10:33:11am

re: #524 Destro

I think it was part of his overall thesis a short story to illustrate a point in a larger work.

And what thesis was that? It was an entertaining little essay but it wasn’t meant as some serious scholarship. And again, the basic problem I’m having with your rambling is that Alexander was total shit at governing, to the extent that even Toynbee doesn’t credit him for the eventual empire’s culture and civilization, but credits his successor.

Alexander is an interesting leader precisely because he was such a great war-leader but not in any other way actually a leader of his people. He didn’t do anything to advance humanity, and you haven’t explained at all how him staying alive would have helped humanity advance. If you care to actually support your thesis at any point, go ahead and do so.

533 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 10:34:06am
534 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 10:35:26am

re: #533 Gus

Is he borrowing clips from those “alien autopsy” films? That’s probably more accurate and helpful than the recommendations they are actually making.

535 freetoken  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 10:35:36am

Today is Monday, and you know what that means…

Andy Dick: ‘DWTS’ Already Changed My Life

536 freetoken  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 10:36:16am

Reince would probably be more successful if he did DWTS rather than spit out papers no one believes.

537 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 10:36:29am

re: #520 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

I haven’t dressed like that in ages.

I’ve never dressed like that.

But, I’ve never been to the Kentucky Derby either.

538 Skip Intro  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 10:37:47am

re: #424 Kragar (Antichrist )

Bachmann: If We Cared, We’d Cure Alzheimer’s Disease in Ten Years

Yeah, no one is working on a cure or studying Alzheimer’s right now.
///

Maybe Marcus could work on it when he’s not busy chowing down corn dogs.

539 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 10:38:34am

re: #523 Interesting Times

Nope. It’s real. (though I suppose sex with his partners of choice is one way to ensure no unwanted pregnancies take place…)

Truth is stranger than Fiction

540 freetoken  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 10:39:34am

Horrifying, but expect the anti-abortion forces to make much of it:

Pa. abortion doctor’s murder trial starts

541 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 10:39:52am

re: #531 CuriousLurker

One more before I get back to work & and things get all serious here:

This guy was very, very disappointed that the Mr. Clean Magic Eraser Cleaning Pads he bought at Amazon turned out to not be magic AT ALL.

Later, lizards. ;)

Those things are awesome.

542 dragonath  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 10:42:05am

re: #538 Skip Intro

Maybe Marcus could work on it when he’s not busy chowing down corn dogs.

Shorter Bachmann: We could Solve Homosexuality in 10 years if wasn’t for liberals.

543 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 10:43:55am
544 simoom  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 10:45:36am

foxnews.com

This really should be grounds for immediate dismissal, particularly threatening to destroy gov’t records and resist federal authorities:

Weld County Sheriff John Cooke won’t enforce new state gun measures expected to be signed into law by Democratic Gov. John Hickenlooper, arguing the proposed firearms restrictions give a “false sense of security.”

Lawmakers in Colorado on Friday approved a landmark expansion of background checks on firearm purchases. Earlier in the week, Colorado lawmakers approved a 15-round limit on ammunition magazines.

Both measures are awaiting the expected approval of the governor.

The sheriff told the news outlet that he and other county sheriffs “won’t bother enforcing” the laws because it won’t be possible to keep track of how gun owners are complying with the new requirements.

Cooke is joined in his opposition to the proposals by El Paso County Sheriff Terry Maketa, who told an angry packed crowd at a meeting on Thursday in Colorado Springs he would stand firm against the bills.

Maketa said his office keeps records of every concealed carry permit holder in the county as required by law, but he would never share it.

He said he would destroy the database if anyone tried to get their hands on it and would intervene if government agents started arresting county residents for exercising their constitutional rights.

545 Gus  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 10:45:39am
546 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 10:46:58am

re: #542 dragonath

Shorter Bachmann: We could Solve Homosexuality in 10 years if wasn’t for Liberals.

We could develop FTL travel in 10 years if only people cared!

547 freetoken  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 10:47:36am

Brief piece with which I agree - that more scientists need to be mindful of the words they use when speaking to the public:

Communicating about evolution: the danger of shortcuts

References the now open-access again journal Evolution: Education and Outreach, open at least for new issues going forward, under the “SpringerOpen” product label.

548 Lidane  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 10:48:32am
549 efuseakay  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 10:48:46am

re: #542 dragonath

Shorter Bachmann: We could Solve Homosexuality in 10 years if wasn’t for Liberals homosexuals.

No… you got it all wrong.

550 Decatur Deb  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 12:14:29pm

re: #498 Bulworth

So FreethinkU wants you to think about their agenda. That’s some mighty freethinking there.

I want to write the FU alma mater.

551 AlexRogan  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 12:45:36pm

re: #380 Feline Fearless Leader

[carrier lost]
— IJN Gen Nagumo

Subtle…

552 Destro  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 12:55:31pm

re: #298 Vicious Babushka

DERP. Hey Cathy, IT’S THE SAME GUY IN BOTH PICTURES. :)

I prefer states that produce the happy gay guys over a soldier with PTSD.

553 Pacific moderate  Mon, Mar 18, 2013 2:55:00pm

John Cage once said “we ought either to get rid of God, or else replace him with someone who won’t permit mention of trust in him to be printed on pieces of money”.

554 Destro  Wed, Mar 20, 2013 9:42:09pm

re: #532 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

And what thesis was that? It was an entertaining little essay but it wasn’t meant as some serious scholarship. And again, the basic problem I’m having with your rambling is that Alexander was total shit at governing, to the extent that even Toynbee doesn’t credit him for the eventual empire’s culture and civilization, but credits his successor.

Alexander is an interesting leader precisely because he was such a great war-leader but not in any other way actually a leader of his people. He didn’t do anything to advance humanity, and you haven’t explained at all how him staying alive would have helped humanity advance. If you care to actually support your thesis at any point, go ahead and do so.

The point of the exercise is that instead of the wars of the Diadochi that distracted the Hellenistic world after Alexander’s death, allowing Alexander to live would have allowed per Tonybee expand his empire and because he lived until 80 you would have had the Hellenistic world expand and China, etc and his successors would have continued the culture that gave the world the first global enlightenment safe from barbarian overthrow that gave us the dark ages.

You are such a pettifogger to argue over well know speculation about how much more advanced we would be if we never lost the civilization that gave us the library of Alexandria.

So to sum up Toynbee’s essay went something like this: Alexander lived to an old age and was thus able to consolidate his empire so it would not break down when he died. Later on the empire needed better communications because it was so huge and the Greeks did not use slave labor like the Romans did (borrowing the Persian model of paid labor) so some smart persons came upon the idea to combine Herons idea of a steam engine with the diolkos, a sort of railroad in stone used to drag ships over the Corintian isthmus. So soon trains, pulled by steam engines would traverse the whole realm of the Alexandrian empire.

As a footnote it is also told about a man sitting at the train station in Nasareth preaching his message, but people were so busy so noone had the time to listen though Tonybee missed out on that one in my opinion because if there was a train station that means we may have had the printing press by then and ideas would have spread far and wide faster and it would have been an empire that was tolerant of religions again borrowing Persian the model.


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