Live on French TV, this is Nick Cave’s berserk assemblage of musical freaks called Grinderman, with “Mickey Mouse & the Goodbye Man.” Warning: it’s a little … intense.
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Charles Johnson Sun, Mar 24, 2013 4:30:32pm |
Some of you may be sitting there going “what the f did I just see?”
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Political Atheist Sun, Mar 24, 2013 4:34:27pm |
I am so reminded of Jim Morrison watching this.
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Varek Raith Sun, Mar 24, 2013 4:35:27pm |
re: #1 Charles Johnson
Some of you may be sitting there going “what the f did I just see?”
Just a tad…
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thedopefishlives Sun, Mar 24, 2013 4:43:54pm |
Evening Lizardim from the cold and snowy wild north country. There is a bounty on Punxsutawney Phil here in the northern reaches of the country, for fraud and misrepresentation. How go things in the grand war on derp?
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engineer cat Sun, Mar 24, 2013 4:44:52pm |
it’s certainly berserk, and the nanosecond editing is neat, but as far as i can make out teenagers these days prefer the blandness of ‘hip hop’
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stabby Sun, Mar 24, 2013 4:45:29pm |
re: #4 thedopefishlives
The Derp won. We’re all getting drunk or lobotomies to fit in now.
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stabby Sun, Mar 24, 2013 4:47:39pm |
I’m so low on money that I actually bought Budweiser on sale instead of a better brand.
*opens a 24 ounce can*
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thedopefishlives Sun, Mar 24, 2013 4:48:24pm |
re: #7 stabby
I’m so low on money that I actually bought Budweiser on sale instead of a better brand.
*opens a 24 once can*
Don’t worry. I’m sure our librul overlords will come through with our License to Shill checks any day now.
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Gus Sun, Mar 24, 2013 5:19:24pm |
.@therealpest @michaelskolnik - Lib media shld ask if what these2 black teens did 2 a woman&baby is the reason ppl think blacks mightB risky— Robert Zimmerman Jr (@rzimmermanjr) March 24, 2013
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Charles Johnson Sun, Mar 24, 2013 5:20:44pm |
The Walking Dead ended on a hell of a cliffhanger last week - the Governor fixin’ to get all freaky on Andrea. Looking forward to tonight’s show.
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SteveMcGazi Sun, Mar 24, 2013 5:21:24pm |
re: 10 Gus
Pardon my abject tech ignorance, but when you repost these things, what are they? I can tell they’re tweets, but I don’t get the two different fields at the top and bottom. Is the bottom a response to the top, or the top an intro to the bottom?
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Gus Sun, Mar 24, 2013 5:22:12pm |
re: #11 Charles Johnson
The Walking Dead ended on a hell of a cliffhanger last week - the Governor fixin’ to get all freaky on Andrea. Looking forward to tonight’s show.
He’s responding to the Tweet above.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 24, 2013 5:23:45pm |
re: #4 thedopefishlives
Evening Lizardim from the cold and snowy wild north country. There is a bounty on Punxsutawney Phil here in the northern reaches of the country, for fraud and misrepresentation. How go things in the grand war on derp?
I hear he is being hunted by a dedicated team of cats. They have decided to disappear him when they catch him, disappear via claws and teeth that is.
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SteveMcGazi Sun, Mar 24, 2013 5:24:37pm |
Thanks. Someday, I’ll check out Twitter for real.
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Stanley Sea Sun, Mar 24, 2013 5:25:49pm |
Sorry to bust the groove, but just read tweet from tommy xtopher ( y’all know). George Zim’s bro is comparing Trayvon to the baby killer in SC based on FB posts. You know, black men posing for camera.
I’m done!
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stabby Sun, Mar 24, 2013 5:27:20pm |
Wasn’t the Trayvon flipping off a different teen on facebook that the Breightbarts confuxed with Trayvon Martin because he had a similar name?
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 24, 2013 5:27:41pm |
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Charles Johnson Sun, Mar 24, 2013 5:29:57pm |
re: #19 Dark_Falcon
Is that confirmed?
Yup.
George Zimmerman’s Brother Pimping Comparison Of Trayvon Martin And Alleged Georgia Baby-Killer bit.ly/10CmuHT (By @tommyxtopher)— Mediaite (@Mediaite) March 24, 2013
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 24, 2013 5:31:10pm |
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Political Atheist Sun, Mar 24, 2013 5:32:46pm |
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palomino Sun, Mar 24, 2013 5:34:18pm |
re: #21 Dark_Falcon
Then Robert Zimmerman Jr. is a scumbag racist.
Thank God there’s none of that in your party.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 24, 2013 5:35:50pm |
re: #23 palomino
Thank God there’s none of that in your party.
Must you bring parties into it like that? Can’t you just agree and leave it at that?
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Stanley Sea Sun, Mar 24, 2013 5:39:46pm |
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 24, 2013 5:41:57pm |
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 24, 2013 5:43:21pm |
re: #26 Stanley Sea
All black men deserve to die. That’s what he’s saying.
No, he’s saying that black men need to be ‘controlled’. The forms that control formerly took in Florida are well known: Slavery, then later lynchings and Jim Crow.
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Vicious Babushka Sun, Mar 24, 2013 5:43:27pm |
DOUBLING DOWN ON TEH DERP
.@rightwradical .@phxken .@cspanwj More govt $$ spent on CORPORATE WELFARE than on social welfare. bit.ly/OFFhew #tgdn #UniteBlue— Vicious Babushka (@viciousbabushka) March 25, 2013
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Stanley Sea Sun, Mar 24, 2013 5:49:11pm |
re: #29 Dark_Falcon
No, he’s saying that black men need to be ‘controlled’. The forms that control formerly took in Florida are well known: Slavery, then later lynchings and Jim Crow.
Trayvon is dead by his brothers hand. Dead
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Charles Johnson Sun, Mar 24, 2013 5:49:41pm |
Posted a page for Mediaite’s Zimmerman article:
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Stanley Sea Sun, Mar 24, 2013 5:51:16pm |
Lighter subject…. yay sweet 16 Gators
& I’m addicted to roasted Brussels. So good!
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Vicious Babushka Sun, Mar 24, 2013 5:51:30pm |
DERP
the difference between Obama America & Roman oppression NOT MUCH… #TheBible #TeamJesus #TGDN— Rose (@rose52516) March 25, 2013
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Vicious Babushka Sun, Mar 24, 2013 5:52:19pm |
Lotta Derpin’ goin’ on tonight. It’s a full moon.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 24, 2013 5:54:15pm |
re: #31 Stanley Sea
Trayvon is dead by his brothers hand. Dead
I know. And while the words of Robert Zimmerman are suggestive, they are far from conclusive where his brother is concerned. All it says for certain is that Robert Zimmerman is a high-order racist shithead.
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Lidane Sun, Mar 24, 2013 6:01:15pm |
re: #34 Vicious Babushka
What a load of horseshit.
These people wouldn’t know real persecution if it walked up and slapped them across the face.
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Vicious Babushka Sun, Mar 24, 2013 6:02:12pm |
WTF DERP
@b_sharpc Liberals don’t know what science is. HINT: There’s nothing democratic about it —> no voting!! @phxken @viciousbabushka @cspanwj— RightWing (@rightwradical) March 25, 2013
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allegro Sun, Mar 24, 2013 6:02:30pm |
re: #36 Dark_Falcon
I know. And while the words of Robert Zimmerman are suggestive, they are far from conclusive where his brother is concerned. All it says for certain is that Robert Zimmerman is a high-order racist shithead.
Stalking and shooting a black kid isn’t conclusive in the least. How could anyone even think he might be a racist shithead.
//
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Vicious Babushka Sun, Mar 24, 2013 6:02:41pm |
re: #37 Lidane
What a load of horseshit.
These people wouldn’t know real persecution if it walked up and slapped them across the face.
What they call “persecution” is they are not allowed to persecute others.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 24, 2013 6:06:49pm |
re: #39 allegro
Stalking and shooting a black kid isn’t conclusive in the least. How could anyone even think he might be a racist shithead.
//
The evidence of what happened between George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin is far from clear. You present one version of events, but it is not the only one. What makes you so certain it is the correct one?
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Charles Johnson Sun, Mar 24, 2013 6:08:06pm |
I suspect that Rick is deliberately misleading the others. OK, I’ll stop with the spoilers.
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thedopefishlives Sun, Mar 24, 2013 6:09:42pm |
re: #43 Dark_Falcon
The evidence of what happened between George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin is far from clear. You present one version of events, but it is not the only one. What makes you so certain it is the correct one?
We are not going down that rabbit hole. No.
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Kragar Sun, Mar 24, 2013 6:12:25pm |
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 24, 2013 6:12:30pm |
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Stanley Sea Sun, Mar 24, 2013 6:14:59pm |
re: #44 Charles Johnson
I suspect that Rick is deliberately misleading the others. OK, I’ll stop with the spoilers.
He better be.
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goddamnedfrank Sun, Mar 24, 2013 6:16:06pm |
re: #43 Dark_Falcon
The evidence of what happened between George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin is far from clear. You present one version of events, but it is not the only one. What makes you so certain it is the correct one?
The fact is he stalked and then ended up shooting the kid. What she said was objective fact, you can try to contextualize it, but that’s what happened. Zimmerman had many opportunities to break off and not keep following Martin, and every time he chose to continue.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 24, 2013 6:21:09pm |
re: #49 goddamnedfrank
The fact is he stalked and then ended up shooting the kid. What she said was objective fact, you can try to contextualize it, but that’s what happened. Zimmerman had many opportunities to break off and not keep following Martin, and every time he chose to continue.
“Stalking” implies he was following Martin with malicious intent, and there is little to conclude that from what I’ve seen. He was following Martin, but ‘stalking’ is IMO too loaded a word to be used without strong supporting evidence.
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Stanley Sea Sun, Mar 24, 2013 6:22:55pm |
re: #52 Dark_Falcon
“Stalking” implies he was following Martin with malicious intent, and there is little to conclude that from what I’ve seen. He was following Martin, but ‘stalking’ is IMO too loaded a word to be used without strong supporting evidence.
He still killed him. You wouldn’t have killed him. You wouldn’t have done anything like that great guy Zim did.
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CarleeCork Sun, Mar 24, 2013 6:25:32pm |
re: #52 Dark_Falcon
“Stalking” implies he was following Martin with malicious intent, and there is little to conclude that from what I’ve seen. He was following Martin, but ‘stalking’ is IMO too loaded a word to be used without strong supporting evidence.
The cops told Zimmerman to stay in his car. He was stalking Martin. Period.
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thedopefishlives Sun, Mar 24, 2013 6:27:18pm |
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goddamnedfrank Sun, Mar 24, 2013 6:27:51pm |
re: #52 Dark_Falcon
“Stalking” implies he was following Martin with malicious intent, and there is little to conclude that from what I’ve seen. He was following Martin, but ‘stalking’ is IMO too loaded a word to be used without strong supporting evidence.
Right, he called the police about the kid, called him a punk and ignored their advice to stop following because he wanted to help Martin.
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 24, 2013 6:28:07pm |
re: #54 CarleeCork
The cops told Zimmerman to stay in his car. He was stalking Martin. Period.
The operator said he didn’t need to keep following Martin. He was under no obligation to abide by that.
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Gus Sun, Mar 24, 2013 6:31:15pm |
George Zimmerman created the situation that led to Trayvon Martin’s death. Had Zimmerman minded his own business and not followed Martin around that night, Martin would have returned to his home and consume his iced tea and Skittles and have gone to bed that night. The end.
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CarleeCork Sun, Mar 24, 2013 6:31:23pm |
re: #58 Targetpractice
The operator said he didn’t need to keep following Martin. He was under no obligation to abide by that.
He isn’t/wasn’t a cop, if he hadn’t stalked Martin, Martin wouldn’t be dead. Zimmerman is a wannabe cop and a chickenshit.
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Gus Sun, Mar 24, 2013 6:32:58pm |
And if Martin did “jump” Zimmerman it was only because Martin was already freaked out about some nut that was following him around that night.
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engineer cat Sun, Mar 24, 2013 6:33:17pm |
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 24, 2013 6:34:14pm |
re: #60 CarleeCork
He isn’t/wasn’t a cop, if he hadn’t stalked Martin, Martin wouldn’t be dead. Zimmerman is a wannabe cop and a chickenshit.
He was the head of the neighborhood watch, following someone he didn’t recognize in the middle of the night in a neighborhood that had been the victim of a series of robberies. That he got out of his vehicle was stupid, but not criminal.
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Stanley Sea Sun, Mar 24, 2013 6:35:04pm |
re: #59 Gus
George Zimmerman created the situation that led to Trayvon Martin’s death. Had Zimmerman minded his own business and not followed Martin around that night, Martin would have returned to his home and consume his iced tea and Skittles and have gone to bed that night. The end.
re: #62 Gus
And if Martin did “jump” Zimmerman it was only because Martin was already freaked out about some nut that was following him around that night.
This is the truth. Apologists and flat out racists disagree. There’s a dif between the two, bit it’s a fine thread.
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goddamnedfrank Sun, Mar 24, 2013 6:35:18pm |
re: #58 Targetpractice
The operator said he didn’t need to keep following Martin. He was under no obligation to abide by that.
Kind of a technicality though. I’m fairly certain that if Zimmerman had told the 911 operator that he was armed the tone would have been far more forceful.
The whole thing goes to state of mind, if you’re not a cop and you know you’re carrying a gun then you’ve got some kind of common sense obligation not to go out of your way seeking out confrontational situations beyond your own castle doctrine area.
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CarleeCork Sun, Mar 24, 2013 6:36:00pm |
re: #64 Targetpractice
He was the head of the neighborhood watch, following someone he didn’t recognize in the middle of the night in a neighborhood that had been the victim of a series of robberies. That he got out of his vehicle was stupid, but not criminal.
What exactly did Martin do that was criminal, other than being black while walking?
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 24, 2013 6:36:12pm |
re: #66 goddamnedfrank
Kind of a technicality though. I’m fairly certain that if Zimmerman had told the 911 operator that he was armed the tone would have been far more forceful.
The whole thing goes to state of mind, if you’re not a cop and you know you’re carrying a gun then you’ve got some kind of common sense obligation not to go out of your way seeking out confrontational situations beyond your own castle doctrine area.
It may have been more forceful, but no more illegal for him to ignore the operator. She couldn’t order him to stay in the vehicle.
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goddamnedfrank Sun, Mar 24, 2013 6:36:28pm |
re: #64 Targetpractice
He was the head of the neighborhood watch, following someone he didn’t recognize in the middle of the night in a neighborhood that had been the victim of a series of robberies. That he got out of his vehicle was stupid, but not criminal.
Disagree. I hope he’s convicted and goes away for a long time.
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 24, 2013 6:36:39pm |
re: #67 CarleeCork
What exactly did Martin do that was criminal, other than being black while walking?
What did Zimmerman do that was criminal prior to the confrontation?
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goddamnedfrank Sun, Mar 24, 2013 6:36:49pm |
re: #68 Targetpractice
It may have been more forceful, but no more illegal for him to ignore the operator.
LOL, okay.
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 24, 2013 6:36:52pm |
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goddamnedfrank Sun, Mar 24, 2013 6:38:15pm |
re: #72 Targetpractice
Why?
Because what he did was unforgivably reckless. Wandering around at night, following strangers while carrying a gun and disregarding 911 operator advice is just asking for trouble.
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 24, 2013 6:39:21pm |
re: #73 goddamnedfrank
Because what he did was unforgivably reckless. Wandering around at night, following strangers while carrying a gun and disregarding 911 operator advice is just asking for trouble.
But not illegal. He had a permit for the gun, he was the head of the neighborhood watch, and he ignoring the operator on the non-emergency number is not a crime.
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Vicious Babushka Sun, Mar 24, 2013 6:40:54pm |
HOW DERPING IDIOTS USE STATISTICS:
Where is the REAL problem? ow.ly/i/1KAQ1 -#tcot#TGDN #teaparty #iamthemob #hhrs #tlot #tpot #ocra— Paul (@Comicsnut) March 25, 2013
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Stanley Sea Sun, Mar 24, 2013 6:41:19pm |
re: #72 Targetpractice
Why?
Innocent dead. Regardless of his defense, an innocent kid is DEAD.
Humanity ?
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CarleeCork Sun, Mar 24, 2013 6:41:45pm |
re: #74 Targetpractice
But not illegal. He had a permit for the gun, he was the head of the neighborhood watch, and he ignoring the operator on the non-emergency number is not a crime.
He murdered someone, and I too hope he goes to prison. Martin broke NO law.
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thedopefishlives Sun, Mar 24, 2013 6:42:06pm |
re: #75 Vicious Babushka
HOW DERPING IDIOTS USE STATISTICS:
GODDAMMIT, PEOPLE. Every high school student should be required to pass at least 1 year of basic statistics before they’re allowed to even drop out. I don’t care if we have to chain the students to their desks./
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 24, 2013 6:42:16pm |
re: #76 Stanley Sea
Innocent dead. Regardless of his defense, an innocent kid is DEAD.
Humanity ?
An innocent kid was straddling him and beating his head into the ground. Would you have just stood back and let him beat Zimmerman until dead or suffering from brain damage?
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 24, 2013 6:42:30pm |
re: #77 CarleeCork
He murdered someone, and I too hope he goes to prison. Martin broke NO law.
That’s a matter of debate.
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Gus Sun, Mar 24, 2013 6:42:36pm |
There you have it folks. Apparently George Zimmerman’s rights exceeded those of Trayvon Martin’s.
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goddamnedfrank Sun, Mar 24, 2013 6:43:00pm |
re: #74 Targetpractice
But not illegal. He had a permit for the gun, he was the head of the neighborhood watch, and he ignoring the operator on the non-emergency number is not a crime.
He also ignored the fact that per the police the neighborhood watch members weren’t supposed to be armed.
At a certain point behavior that is on its face criminally recklessness doesn’t have to be foreseen and enumerated by specific example under the law.
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 24, 2013 6:43:45pm |
re: #83 goddamnedfrank
He also ignored the fact that per the police the neighborhood watch members weren’t supposed to be armed.
At a certain point behavior that is on its face criminally recklessness doesn’t have to be foreseen and enumerated by specific example under the law.
I’m not aware of criminal recklessness being one of the charges against him.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 24, 2013 6:46:15pm |
re: #64 Targetpractice
He was the head of the neighborhood watch, following someone he didn’t recognize in the middle of the night in a neighborhood that had been the victim of a series of robberies. That he got out of his vehicle was stupid, but not criminal.
Concur.
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 24, 2013 6:46:50pm |
Believe it or not, being a dumbass isn’t criminal. If it was, we’d all be doing time behind bars.
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stabby Sun, Mar 24, 2013 6:49:13pm |
re: #80 Targetpractice
An innocent kid was straddling him and beating his head into the ground. Would you have just stood back and let him beat Zimmerman until dead or suffering from brain damage?
Brain damage? Who could tell the difference!
Zimmerman also called the police when he was following around a 7 year old black boy. Apparently “black” and “boy” were enough that he thought he should be “protecting” his neighborhood from them them as opposed to protecting them IN his neighborhood.
Are people still saying that Trayvon shouldn’t have been in that neighborhood, or has it sunk in that Trayvon’s father’s fiance lived in Zimmerman’s complex?
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gwangung Sun, Mar 24, 2013 6:51:22pm |
re: #84 Targetpractice
I’m not aware of criminal recklessness being one of the charges against him.
Read up on your law. That’s included in the sheaf of charges brought against him; manslaughter is a part of them, and recklessness can be part of manslaughter.
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gwangung Sun, Mar 24, 2013 6:52:51pm |
re: #80 Targetpractice
An innocent kid was straddling him and beating his head into the ground. Would you have just stood back and let him beat Zimmerman until dead or suffering from brain damage?
So, you’re saying ALL fist fights go to the death? Getting your ass kicked in a fight justifies lethal force in all cases?
I think you’re wildly overstating the case here.
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engineer cat Sun, Mar 24, 2013 6:53:44pm |
re: #75 Vicious Babushka
HOW DERPING IDIOTS USE STATISTICS:
In 2011, the latest figure available from the Centers for Disease Control,
Accidental discharge 851
Suicide 19,766
Homicide 11,101
Undetermined Intent 222
Total: At least 31940 people died from gun injuries in 2011.
wingnuts give wingnut-quality statistics
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 24, 2013 6:55:58pm |
re: #89 gwangung
So, you’re saying ALL fist fights go to the death?
I think you’re wildly overstating the case here.
What fist fight? One guys on the ground, the other is straddling him and beating his head in. And several witnesses have confirmed that nobody was in any rush to pull Martin off him before the fatal shot.
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Thundermother(it will turn your head around) Sun, Mar 24, 2013 6:56:10pm |
re: #86 Targetpractice
Naw. I’m a dumbass. I just don’t follow people around with an itchy trigger finger packing heat.
Please don’t insult this dumbass on my dumbassedness.
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 24, 2013 6:56:56pm |
re: #88 gwangung
Read up on your law. That’s included in the sheaf of charges brought against him; manslaughter is a part of them, and recklessness can be part of manslaughter.
It’s gotta be one or the other. If the prosecution intends to argue criminally negligent homicide, then they have to admit that Zimmerman didn’t track Martin with the intent to kill him, which would undermine a murder charge.
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gwangung Sun, Mar 24, 2013 6:57:55pm |
re: #91 Targetpractice
What fist fight? One guys on the ground, the other is straddling him and beating his head in. And several witnesses have confirmed that nobody was in any rush to pull Martin off him before the fatal shot.
That’s a fist fight to me. That happens and has happened.
Again, you WILDLY overstate your case. Apparently, if you’re getting your ass kicked, that justified lethal force.
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gwangung Sun, Mar 24, 2013 6:58:30pm |
re: #93 Targetpractice
It’s gotta be one or the other. If the prosecution intends to argue criminally negligent homicide, then they have to admit that Zimmerman didn’t track Martin with the intent to kill him, which would undermine a murder charge.
No, it doesn’t.
You don’t seem particularly clued in about the situation or the law.
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 24, 2013 6:58:42pm |
re: #94 gwangung
That’s a fist fight to me. That happens and has happened.
Again, you WILDLY overstate your case. Apparently, if you’re getting your ass kicked, that justified lethal force.
Self-defense is not reliant on knowing for a fact that your life is in danger, just the belief that it is.
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Gus Sun, Mar 24, 2013 6:59:44pm |
Not only that but Martin was not an eminent threat — if one wants to use the neighborhood watch excuse. Zimmerman was in hot pursuit of Martin as though he had already committed a capital crime. Zimmerman was already convinced that Martin had broken a law — i.e. “these assholes, they always get away.”
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:00:09pm |
re: #95 gwangung
No, it doesn’t.
You don’t seem particularly clued in about the situation or the law.
Negligence has a specific meaning under the law, separate from willful intent. If Zimmerman got out of his car and followed Martin with the intent to kill him, then you can’t argue that he was negligent for ignoring the operator and carrying a gun.
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gwangung Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:00:29pm |
re: #96 Targetpractice
Self-defense is not reliant on knowing for a fact that your life is in danger, just the belief that it is.
Wrong.
It is not just believing that your life is in danger. It is what a reasonable man would believe if he were in that situation.
Again, you don’t seem particularly knowledgeable about the nuances of the law.
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Gus Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:00:32pm |
re: #96 Targetpractice
Self-defense is not reliant on knowing for a fact that your life is in danger, just the belief that it is.
Martin stood his ground.
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stabby Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:00:36pm |
re: #96 Targetpractice
the same argument applies to whether Trayvon thought his own life was in danger.
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stabby Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:01:29pm |
re: #100 Gus
Black boys can’t “stand their ground”. The law was written to excuse killing them, not the other way around.
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:01:31pm |
re: #99 gwangung
Wrong.
It is not just believing that your life is in danger. It is what a reasonable man would believe if he were in that situation.
Again, you don’t seem particularly knowledgeable about the nuances of the law.
I do. What would a reasonable man think if he’s being held on the ground and his head beat in? That he’s perfectly safe and should just wait for the cops to arrive?
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:02:01pm |
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gwangung Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:03:23pm |
re: #98 Targetpractice
Negligence has a specific meaning under the law, separate from willful intent. If Zimmerman got out of his car and followed Martin with the intent to kill him, then you can’t argue that he was negligent for ignoring the operator and carrying a gun.
Sorry, but this is wrong. (And the Florida legal system seems to think the same way)
You can have a single act of negligence; everything following that first act can be charged to that negligence. That does not preclude a legal charge upon a following act that IS willful.
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:04:12pm |
re: #105 gwangung
Sorry, but this is wrong. (And the Florida legal system seems to think the same way)
You can have a single act of negligence; everything following that first act can be charged to that negligence. That does not preclude a legal charge upon a following act that IS willful.
So what was the act of negligence?
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Stanley Sea Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:05:15pm |
re: #86 Targetpractice
Believe it or not, being a dumbass isn’t criminal. If it was, we’d all be doing time behind bars.
Dead kid mo fo. Show some humanity.
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Stanley Sea Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:05:47pm |
re: #82 Gus
There you have it folks. Apparently George Zimmerman’s rights exceeded those of Trayvon Martin’s.
Qft
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gwangung Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:05:49pm |
re: #103 Targetpractice
I do. What would a reasonable man think if he’s being held on the ground and his head beat in? That he’s perfectly safe and should just wait for the cops to arrive?
I could GO DEFENSIVE. Martin’s not armed, right? You can still do that even with him on top of you.
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:05:51pm |
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:06:33pm |
re: #109 gwangung
I could GO DEFENSIVE. Martin’s not armed, right? You can still do that even with him on top of you.
Zimmerman’s testimony was that Martin was going for his gun.
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Stanley Sea Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:07:31pm |
re: #93 Targetpractice
It’s gotta be one or the other. If the prosecution intends to argue criminally negligent homicide, then they have to admit that Zimmerman didn’t track Martin with the intent to kill him, which would undermine a murder charge.
Innocent kid still dead.
Read your moral book.
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:08:03pm |
re: #112 Stanley Sea
Innocent kid still dead.
Read your moral book.
Are you interested in justice or revenge?
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Stanley Sea Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:08:58pm |
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Gus Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:09:19pm |
re: #111 Targetpractice
Zimmerman’s testimony was that Martin was going for his gun.
So some guy is following you around and you jump him because you think your life is in danger and suddenly you realize that stranger has a gun and you don’t try and grab it? Come one. George Zimmerman was a wannabe cop. Martin had no idea who the fuck Zimmerman was.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:10:05pm |
re: #100 Gus
Martin stood his ground.
And if he’d been the one who killed someone, he could have tried to use use that defense. I doubt it would have worked, though. In the reversal scenario Travon Martin would likely have already pleaded guilty to a manslaughter charge. If HE went to trial, it would likely be before a fairly hostile, mostly white jury.
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Thundermother(it will turn your head around) Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:10:12pm |
re: #111 Targetpractice
Clue me in here. Who was following who?
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Stanley Sea Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:10:14pm |
re: #113 Targetpractice
Are you interested in justice or revenge?
Whoa. Whoa. Dead innocent kid. I think my side falls on justice. Argue why it’s revenge.
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:10:30pm |
re: #115 Gus
So some guy is following you around and you jump him because you think your life is in danger and suddenly you realize that stranger has a gun and you don’t try and grab it? Come one. George Zimmerman was a wannabe cop. Martin had no idea who the fuck Zimmerman was.
Grab it and then what? Shoot him and claim self-defense?
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:12:05pm |
Sorry I helped get this argument going again.
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:12:07pm |
re: #118 Stanley Sea
Whoa. Whoa. Dead innocent kid. I think my side falls on justice. Argue why it’s revenge.
Why is he innocent? What do you know about Travyon Martin that you haven’t heard from the family, filtered through the media?
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Gus Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:13:05pm |
That fat head George Zimmerman should have waited for the cops as instructed.
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goddamnedfrank Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:13:20pm |
re: #111 Targetpractice
Zimmerman’s testimony was that Martin was going for his gun.
So Zimmerman is allowed to create the very crisis he then uses as justification for lethal force. Again, he had many opportunities to stop following Zimmerman, and he chose not to. Neighborhood Watch members aren’t supposed to be armed, he chose to be. The 911 operator (yes, too gently) tried to get him to stop following the kid, he ignored him.
At every opportunity he was given to deescalate the situation Zimmerman chose instead to escalate it. If Martin did punch him first I kind of don’t give a shit, because he was reacting to a demonstrably legitimate threat to his safety, evidenced by the fact that he’s dead.
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Stanley Sea Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:13:56pm |
So, you buy a drink and are walking through your dad’s neighborhood.
You are in your truck with your gun, looking for potential robbers.
Justice? Fairness?
Heartless
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Stanley Sea Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:14:18pm |
re: #121 Targetpractice
Why is he innocent? What do you know about Travyon Martin that you haven’t heard from the family, filtered through the media?
Fuck you.
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Vicious Babushka Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:14:59pm |
I wonder if any of these wingnuts who say
TEH BIBLE IS TEH MOST IMPORTANT BOOK EVER EVER IN TEH HOLE HISTERY!!!11!!!!
could even tell you what Deuteronomy 24:14-15 says, or explain why it is less important to them than Leviticus 18:22.
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stabby Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:15:11pm |
If I lived in that neighborhood I would be so livid that the law doesn’t protect my neighborhood from having God damn racist cop wanne-be morons with guns “patrolling” and harassing people and occassionally killing them.
I feel the same way about the God damn militias that the constitution supposedly allows. What a horrible idea, letting any idiot march around with a gun thinking he’s an authority. As if that isn’t a recipe for grass roots oppression.
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Stanley Sea Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:17:00pm |
re: #121 Targetpractice
Why is he innocent? What do you know about Travyon Martin that you haven’t heard from the family, filtered through the media?
The coldest reason for his death. Delivered here. Target just go and shoot up something. Not people please. You SUCK.
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Vicious Babushka Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:18:09pm |
re: #121 Targetpractice
Why is he innocent? What do you know about Travyon Martin that you haven’t heard from the family, filtered through the media?
Why is he guilty? Don’t you have to be convicted by a jury of your peers before you are considered NOT INNOCENT?
What do you know about Trayvon Martin that you didn’t read on Twitter or at Breitbart?
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Stanley Sea Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:19:28pm |
re: #121 Targetpractice
Why is he innocent? What do you know about Travyon Martin that you haven’t heard from the family, filtered through the media?
All I know is he bought a drink and skittles and walked home. If no one had accosted him on the way all would be normal. Unless you want to RWNJ contemplate that black boys “future” endeavors?
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Thundermother(it will turn your head around) Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:21:31pm |
I look forward to the days where I can walk around my neighborhood and wonder if the dude following me(for no apparent reason) is packing heat.
Seeing as I’m one of the dumbasses who doesn’t own a gun, I also look forward to trying to ‘disarm’ any asshole(with my fists) who believes - because they own a gun - that they’re the law, and can unload on my ass because they feel threatened.
These will be great days.
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:21:55pm |
re: #131 Vicious Babushka
Why is he guilty? Don’t you have to be convicted by a jury of your peers before you are considered NOT INNOCENT?
What do you know about Trayvon Martin that you didn’t read on Twitter or at Breitbart?
Oh good fucking lord, here it comes. I’m a racist, I’m an asshole, I’m scum, because I stopped and asked who Trayvon Martin really was. I know plenty about George Zimmerman, because the press spent all its time trying to turn him into a monster in the court of public opinion, but everything I’ve ever heard about his victim came from his family, the people with the least reason to be honest about who their son really was.
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Gus Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:22:18pm |
So you’re walking home. You’re 17 years old. You just got some Skittles and a drink and looking forward to shooting the shit on Facebook. Suddenly, you realize you’re being followed.
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Vicious Babushka Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:23:02pm |
re: #135 Targetpractice
Oh good fucking lord, here it comes. I’m a racist, I’m an asshole, I’m scum, because I stopped and asked who Trayvon Martin really was. I know plenty about George Zimmerman, because the press spent all its time trying to turn him into a monster in the court of public opinion, but everything I’ve ever heard about his victim came from his family, the people with the least reason to be honest about who their son really was.
To quote Hillary Clinton and a very popular TGDN meme, WHAT FUCKING DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE?
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stabby Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:23:53pm |
re: #135 Targetpractice
Heh, finally someone on LGF who I can wholeheartedly say is a whining victim poser who deserves to be hounded, rather than someone who is just treated that way.
Anyway I have to drive to a job now. See you-all.
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Gus Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:23:59pm |
You start running. Still, can’t get away. Someone is following you. You run more and hide. Hide in the bushes or in the shadow. Suddenly, you see a man looking manically for something or someone. You realize that it’s the person that’s been following you. You’re life may be in danger.
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:24:10pm |
re: #137 Vicious Babushka
To quote Hillary Clinton and a very popular TGDN meme, WHAT FUCKING DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE?
It makes every difference if your argument is that Martin is totally innocent. If he rounded around after Zimmerman had ended pursuit, confronted him, and attacked him, then is he still innocent?
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goddamnedfrank Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:24:34pm |
If I’m carrying a gun, it’s kind of on me not to willfully put it within grappling distance of someone I’m convinced is up to no good, not if I have alternatives. Zimmerman had many alternatives, and was presented with them at multiple different stages that night. If someone makes a grab for the gun, then it probably wasn’t concealed properly or was brandished. Either way I don’t think it’s defensible to create the very hazard one then reacts to.
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Gus Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:24:52pm |
You lunge out and punch the guy in the nose. He falls to the ground and hits the back of his head.
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Vicious Babushka Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:24:57pm |
DEUTERONOMY 24:14
“Within the covers of the Bible are the answers for all the problems men face.” Ronald Reagan #lnyhbt #tgdn— Michael A Nöthem (@mikandynothem) March 25, 2013
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Stanley Sea Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:24:59pm |
re: #135 Targetpractice
Oh good fucking lord, here it comes. I’m a racist, I’m an asshole, I’m scum, because I stopped and asked who Trayvon Martin really was. I know plenty about George Zimmerman, because the press spent all its time trying to turn him into a monster in the court of public opinion, but everything I’ve ever heard about his victim came from his family, the people with the least reason to be honest about who their son really was.
Didn’t read your comment beyond the “now I’m racist bs”
Live with your bs
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:25:02pm |
re: #138 stabby
Heh, finally someone on LGF who I can wholeheartedly say is a whining victim poser who deserves to be hounded, rather than someone who is just treated that way.
Anyway I have to drive to a job now. See you-all.
Kettle, thou art black.
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Gus Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:26:19pm |
You’re on top of him now struggling with this stranger that’s been stalking you. You punch him again and realize that he has a gun. “He’s going to shoot me!” You try and grab for his gun to stop him. Suddenly, the shot is fired.
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freetoken Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:26:43pm |
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sagehen Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:26:55pm |
re: #128 stabby
If I lived in that neighborhood I would be so livid that the law doesn’t protect my neighborhood from having God damn racist cop wanne-be morons with guns “patrolling” and harassing people and occassionally killing them.
I feel the same way about the God damn militias that the constitution supposedly allows. What a horrible idea, letting any idiot march around with a gun thinking he’s an authority. As if that isn’t a recipe for grass roots oppression.
What the late 18th century meant by “a well-regulated militia” — seems to me to be what the early 21st century might call the Highway Patrol. Or the County Sheriff’s. Or [city]PD.
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Vicious Babushka Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:27:10pm |
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:27:35pm |
re: #139 Gus
You start running. Still, can’t get away. Someone is following you. You run more and hide. Hide in the bushes or in the shadow. Suddenly, you see a man looking manically for something or someone. You realize that it’s the person that’s been following you. You’re life may be in danger.
And what if the guy had turned his back and started to walk away?
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Gus Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:27:44pm |
2,300 milliliters of blood rush into your chest cavity. You fall back and utter the words, “OK, you got me. You got it. You got me. You got it…”
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stabby Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:28:34pm |
re: #149 sagehen
then I don’t see how the right to bear arms isn’t just a nonsequiter.
Why couldn’t we have a well-written bill of rights?
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Gus Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:28:53pm |
re: #151 Targetpractice
And what if the guy had turned his back and started to walk away?
My last fist fight was when I was 18 years old.
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Stanley Sea Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:29:15pm |
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William Barnett-Lewis Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:29:19pm |
re: #127 Vicious Babushka
I wonder if any of these wingnuts who say
could even tell you what Deuteronomy 24:14-15 says, or explain why it is less important to them than Leviticus 18:22.
That type selective use of the books bugs me badly. They want to pull out the one, let them try to keep the rest of the 613…
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:29:35pm |
re: #155 Gus
My last fist fight was when I was 18 years old.
Mine was younger than that. In every case, I was the guy who threw the first punch.
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sagehen Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:31:46pm |
re: #135 Targetpractice
Oh good fucking lord, here it comes. I’m a racist, I’m an asshole, I’m scum, because I stopped and asked who Trayvon Martin really was. I know plenty about George Zimmerman, because the press spent all its time trying to turn him into a monster in the court of public opinion, but everything I’ve ever heard about his victim came from his family, the people with the least reason to be honest about who their son really was.
Bullshit. You’ve heard everything the RWNJ were able to dredge up about Trayvonn. If there were any evidence at all of anything untoward… even just rumors from other students at his high school… it would be trumpeted throughout the righty blogosphere. It would be a Daily Caller cover story. Breitbart would go wall to wall coverage.
They couldn’t find anything.
(p.s., off-topic — Daryl needs a hug. Poor baby.)
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:32:45pm |
re: #139 Gus
You start running. Still, can’t get away. Someone is following you. You run more and hide. Hide in the bushes or in the shadow. Suddenly, you see a man looking manically for something or someone. You realize that it’s the person that’s been following you. You’re life may be in danger.
I’d either keep running or show myself at a proper distance and see what he wanted.
But that’s me. I’d not attack without being sure the threat was real. Better to be robbed or shot dead than attack someone wrongly and go to prison.
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Vicious Babushka Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:33:23pm |
FAKE QUOTE (Also attributed to Burke, but he didn’t say it either)
“All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.” Thomas Jefferson #lnyhbt #tgdn— Michael A Nöthem (@mikandynothem) March 25, 2013
Can’t reply to this idiot since he blocked me for correcting another FAKE QUOTE
monticello.org
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:34:05pm |
re: #159 sagehen
Bullshit. You’ve heard everything the RWNJ were able to dredge up about Trayvonn. If there were any evidence at all of anything untoward… even just rumors from other students at his high school… it would be trumpeted throughout the righty blogosphere. It would be a Daily Caller cover story. Breitbart would go wall to wall coverage.
They couldn’t find anything.
(p.s., off-topic — Daryl needs a hug. Poor baby.)
No, I treated anything the Breitbartians drug up with skepticism, considering the source. Same with Matt Drudge, the Freepers, and the rest of the brat pack. I know nothing more about Martin than I’ve heard through the press.
Why is there the assumption that if I’m questioning who he really was, it must mean I’ve been drinking their Kool-Aid? Is it morally wrong to want to know the truth of what happened that evening?
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Stanley Sea Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:34:14pm |
This whole premise of Trayvon deserving it. I’m an asshole sometimes. If accosted I will as taught, stand up. That this dead teenager is being attacked to standing up is bizarre. And you need to think about why,
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stabby Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:35:06pm |
meh better this way Image: funny-pictures-this-is-why.jpg
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:36:13pm |
re: #164 Stanley Sea
This whole premise of Trayvon deserving it. I’m an asshole sometimes. If accosted I will as taught, stand up. That this dead teenager is being attacked to standing up is bizarre. And you need to think about why,
I’m not arguing that he “deserved” anything. I’m not the one arguing that Martin could do anything to Zimmerman, up to killing him, and it would be justified because Zimmerman got out of his truck.
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sagehen Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:38:01pm |
re: #154 stabby
then I don’t see how the right to bear arms isn’t just a nonsequiter.
Why couldn’t we have a well-written bill of rights?
not a non-sequiter — I read it as saying the Federal Gov’t can’t interfere in States/Counties/Towns doing what they think they need to do to defend themselves from the sorts of hazards they could imagine (indians, bears, canadians, whatever.)
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:38:02pm |
re: #164 Stanley Sea
This whole premise of Trayvon deserving it. I’m an asshole sometimes. If accosted I will as taught, stand up. That this dead teenager is being attacked to standing up is bizarre. And you need to think about why,
I won’t. I haven’t got the resources to fight nowadays. So I’d just have to either evade or hope whoever it is will let me walk away at the end of things.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:39:51pm |
re: #166 Targetpractice
I’m not arguing that he “deserved” anything. I’m not the one arguing that Martin could do anything to Zimmerman, up to killing him, and it would be justified because Zimmerman got out of his truck.
I don’t think Stanley is saying that. What she and Frank have argued is that getting out of the truck removed Zimmerman’s justification. It does not necessarily follow that the same action would have justified a use of lethal force by Martin.
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darthstar Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:40:07pm |
Whoo-hoo! Four hour flight delay going home…The good news is we’re 40 minutes through the first hour, I scored seats near an outlet, and I’ve almost sobered up enough to give it all up and go back to the bar.
Oh, and the Giants won today, so it’s not all bad.
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Gus Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:40:38pm |
Yeah. So basically a guy that’s alive is defending himself against a dead guy.
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Gus Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:41:14pm |
Pathetic. I would have already started his 8 year prison sentence for involuntary manslaughter.
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:41:51pm |
re: #172 Gus
Pathetic. I would have already started his 8 year prison sentence for involuntary manslaughter.
Never imagined you as a hangin’ judge.
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stabby Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:43:05pm |
Imagine how different the debate would be if Trayvon Martin had been a white girl!
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Stanley Sea Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:43:37pm |
re: #170 darthstar
To the bar again or you have blown the weekend. Wanted to say pussy but chickened out.
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Gus Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:45:13pm |
re: #173 Targetpractice
Never imagined you as a hangin’ judge.
Judge Dred! Hey, it beats 25 to life. I’m lenient. ;)
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stabby Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:45:50pm |
No one would have doubted Martin’s right to defend from George if Martin had been a white girl.
No one would have thought Zimmerman was sane, following Martin and calling the cops and confronting her with a gun…
We understand that white girls have rights.
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Vicious Babushka Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:47:38pm |
re: #178 stabby
No one would have doubted Martin’s right to defend from George if Martin had been a white girl.
No one would have thought Zimmerman was sane, following Martin and calling the cops and confronting her with a gun…
We understand that white girls have rights.
DISCLAIMER: I found this on TGDN
Now THAT’S protection! MT @1_wild_woman Yep twitter.com/1_WILD_WOMAN/s… #NRA #tcot #LNYHBT #tgdn— Serr88 (@Serr88) March 23, 2013
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darthstar Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:48:12pm |
re: #176 Stanley Sea
To the bar again or you have blown the weekend. Wanted to say pussy but chickened out.
I heard on twitter that Gus is a pussy…That guy knows how to get under wingnut skin.
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:48:47pm |
re: #178 stabby
No one would have doubted Martin’s right to defend from George if Martin had been a white girl.
No one would have thought Zimmerman was sane, following Martin and calling the cops and confronting her with a gun…
We understand that white girls have rights.
You do know that the FBI spent weeks trying to find any evidence, including interviewing several witnesses, and failed to come up with any evidence that Zimmerman is a racist? That he’d testified against the Sanford PD for their attempt to cover-up the beating of a homeless black man by a cop’s kid?
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Kragar Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:50:06pm |
re: #179 Vicious Babushka
DISCLAIMER: I found this on TGDN
So how does an assault rifle defend a woman from a family member or date rapist?
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Vicious Babushka Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:50:11pm |
re: #181 Targetpractice
You do know that the FBI spent weeks trying to find any evidence, including interviewing several witnesses, and failed to come up with any evidence that Zimmerman is a racist? That he’d testified against the Sanford PD for their attempt to cover-up the beating of a homeless black man by a cop’s kid?
What evidence did they find that Trayvon was a gangbanger, a drug abuser, or a juvenile delinquent?
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Vicious Babushka Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:51:01pm |
re: #182 Kragar (Antichrist )
So how does an assault rifle defend a woman from a family member or date rapist?
THATZ NOT A LEGITAMIT RAPE!11!!!
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stabby Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:51:58pm |
re: #181 Targetpractice
Well how about if you act JUST LIKE GEORGE ZIMMERMAN, except treat white girls the way the treated black boys.
Remember when he followed a boy and called the police, describing him as 7 to 9 years old?
You do that, for 7 to nine year old white girls.
You stalk every white teen girl who goes to the store and buys tea. Follow in your truck, call the police. Confront while armed.
Go for it.
See if you’re considered a hero, or beaten up by every father in the damn city, thrown in jail by the cops, etc.
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:52:03pm |
re: #183 Vicious Babushka
What evidence did they find that Trayvon was a gangbanger, a drug abuser, or a juvenile delinquent?
None that I know of.
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:52:31pm |
re: #185 stabby
Well how about if you act JUST LIKE GEORGE ZIMMERMAN, except treat white girls the way the treated black boys.
Remember when he followed a boy and called the police, describing him as 7 to 9 years old?
You do that, for 7 to nine year old white girls.
You stalk every white teen girl who goes to the store and buys tea. Follow in your truck, call the police. Confront while armed.
Go for it.
See if you’re considered a hero, or beaten up by every father in the damn city, thrown in jail by the cops, etc.
I thought you were driving to work?
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goddamnedfrank Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:52:40pm |
re: #169 Dark_Falcon
I don’t think Stanley is saying that. What she and Frank have argued is that getting out of the truck removed Zimmerman’s justification.
Getting out of the truck, armed, and following Martin down one path and around a corner onto another against the 911 operator’s advice.
Again, he willfully created the very crisis / hazard he then used as justification for the use of lethal force. I don’t think society should reward that kind of behavior.
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Vicious Babushka Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:52:48pm |
Even IF (for argument sake) Trayvon was a gangbanger, or a drug user or a juvenile delinquent, how does that justify gunning him down?
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Stanley Sea Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:53:04pm |
Got to do the fucking laundry. See ya.
Justice
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:55:42pm |
re: #182 Kragar (Antichrist )
So how does an assault rifle defend a woman from a family member or date rapist?
It’s actually not an assault rifle. That’s the funny part. The rifle in question is an M1A (semi-auto M14). It uses neither the pistol caliber 9mm Parabellum round, nor the intermediate 5.56x45 round. Instead it uses the full-power 7.62x51mm round.
It’s considered a full-power battle rifle, but not an assault rifle.
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dragonath Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:55:54pm |
Texas faces reality:
Senate passes bill to help Texans conserve water on their lawns
The Texas Senate passed SB 198 (Watson), to prevent homeowners associations from prohibiting use of native grasses, or xeriscapes, as landscaping.
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CarleeCork Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:55:55pm |
Zimmerman should have stayed in his vehicle and waited for the police.
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CarleeCork Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:57:01pm |
re: #194 dragonath
Texas faces reality:
Senate passes bill to help Texans conserve water on their lawns
Yeah, while they are building a new golf course in Dallas County. Jeez…
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stabby Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:57:40pm |
re: #195 CarleeCork
Zimmerman should have stayed in his vehicle and waited for the police.
waited for them FOR WHAT? because there was a black teen eating skittles, walking to his father’s fiance’s house and talking on the phone to his girlfriend?
What exact threat was he posing? WHY CALL THE POLICE IN THE FIRST PLACE?
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William Barnett-Lewis Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:57:45pm |
re: #179 Vicious Babushka
DISCLAIMER: I found this on TGDN
Multitudes of ignorance in that “tacticooled” M1A. It’s a .308 rifle not 5.56 and it’s not light & kicks fairly hard. The tacticool accessories decrease the weight at the expense of recoil. The scope on that thing would drastically reduce your field of view making it nearly worthless in any kind of a firefight situation.
It’s good as a range toy; nothing else. Try to use it to protect yourself from anyone within 50 meters and they’ll take it from you and beat you silly with it if they don’t just shoot you first.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:57:55pm |
re: #188 goddamnedfrank
Getting out of the truck, armed, and following Martin down one path and around a corner onto another against the 911 operator’s advice.
Again, he willfully created the very crisis / hazard he then used as justification for the use of lethal force. I don’t think society should reward that kind of behavior.
I understand your argument. I apologize if I over-shortened it in my post.
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:58:51pm |
re: #189 Vicious Babushka
Even IF (for argument sake) Trayvon was a gangbanger, or a drug user or a juvenile delinquent, how does that justify gunning him down?
Back in the early days of all this, folks found out that Zimmerman had two arrests that had been expunged, one included resisting arrest and hitting a cop. Even after the insinuation that his dad had helped him get off without jail time had died away, the argument was that his record of being a violent guy made it plausible that he’d attacked Martin and so Martin was engaging in self-defense by hitting Zimmerman.
If Martin has some violent history, would that not make it just as plausible that he hit Zimmerman first?
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goddamnedfrank Sun, Mar 24, 2013 7:59:59pm |
re: #200 Targetpractice
If Martin has some violent history, would that not make it just as plausible that he hit Zimmerman first?
Did Martin have a violent history, or is this purely hypothetical?
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palomino Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:00:15pm |
re: #24 Dark_Falcon
Must you bring parties into it like that? Can’t you just agree and leave it at that?
You bring “parties” into the discussion all the time. Indeed, you’re deeply and proudly partisan. Sorry but you don’t get to dictate a double standard.
Republican, heal thyself.
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Gus Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:00:42pm |
re: #200 Targetpractice
Back in the early days of all this, folks found out that Zimmerman had two arrests that had been expunged, one included resisting arrest and hitting a cop. Even after the insinuation that his dad had helped him get off without jail time had died away, the argument was that his record of being a violent guy made it plausible that he’d attacked Martin and so Martin was engaging in self-defense by hitting Zimmerman.
If Martin has some violent history, would that not make it just as plausible that he hit Zimmerman first?
Zimmerman created the situation. The end.
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Gus Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:01:08pm |
Knock knock twitter.com/Brasilmagic/st…— Brasilmagic (@Brasilmagic) March 25, 2013
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:01:38pm |
re: #201 goddamnedfrank
Did Martin have a violent history, or is this purely hypothetical?
Hypothetical, pending further evidence.
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Blue Point Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:02:06pm |
re: #1 Charles Johnson
2007 Grinderman.
BANG!
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:02:15pm |
re: #203 Gus
Zimmerman created the situation. The end.
You never answered my earlier question. If Zimmerman had turned and started to leave, why didn’t Martin just wait until he was gone?
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:02:41pm |
re: #198 William Barnett-Lewis
Multitudes of ignorance in that “tacticooled” M1A. It’s a .308 rifle not 5.56 and it’s not light & kicks fairly hard. The tacticool accessories decrease the weight at the expense of recoil. The scope on that thing would drastically reduce your field of view making it nearly worthless in any kind of a firefight situation.
It’s good as a range toy; nothing else. Try to use it to protect yourself from anyone within 50 meters and they’ll take it from you and beat you silly with it if they don’t just shoot you first.
Well, it does have a bayonet lug…
/kidding
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palomino Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:04:06pm |
re: #43 Dark_Falcon
The evidence of what happened between George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin is far from clear. You present one version of events, but it is not the only one. What makes you so certain it is the correct one?
I get it. I sympathize with an unarmed teenager, who had committed no crime but was profiled and followed, and who brought Skittles to a gunfight, then got blown away.
You sympathize with a self-appointed cop who profiles teens without seeing them actually commit any wrongdoing, and then follows them while packing heat.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:04:29pm |
re: #201 goddamnedfrank
Did Martin have a violent history, or is this purely hypothetical?
As far as I know, he did not.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:05:08pm |
re: #209 palomino
Please read the entire thread before going after me.
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Vicious Babushka Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:06:57pm |
re: #198 William Barnett-Lewis
Multitudes of ignorance in that “tacticooled” M1A. It’s a .308 rifle not 5.56 and it’s not light & kicks fairly hard. The tacticool accessories decrease the weight at the expense of recoil. The scope on that thing would drastically reduce your field of view making it nearly worthless in any kind of a firefight situation.
It’s good as a range toy; nothing else. Try to use it to protect yourself from anyone within 50 meters and they’ll take it from you and beat you silly with it if they don’t just shoot you first.
And now that I look at it again, I notice that the guy who tweeted it has a neo-nazi Twitter name.
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Gus Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:07:13pm |
re: #207 Targetpractice
You never answered my earlier question. If Zimmerman had turned and started to leave, why didn’t Martin just wait until he was gone?
Well, for one, we don’t get to hear Trayvon’s side of the story. Secondly, Trayvon had already tried running away from this stranger that was following him.
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goddamnedfrank Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:07:24pm |
re: #205 Targetpractice
Hypothetical, pending further evidence.
And even if he did punch first, since Martin is dead it’s hard to argue that whatever threat he might have perceived in Zimmerman wasn’t real.
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Gus Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:08:39pm |
re: #212 Vicious Babushka
And now that I look at it again, I notice that the guy who tweeted it has a neo-nazi Twitter name.
I was going to say. Unless he plays the piano. That’s that nut Serr8d.
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:08:41pm |
re: #213 Gus
Well, for one, we don’t get to here Trayvon’s side of the story. Secondly, Trayvon had already tried running away from this stranger that was following him.
And if he’d succeeded in getting away, then why initiate a confrontation? Why, if the guy you think poses a threat to your life has stopped pursuing you, do you go out and confront him, let alone attack him?
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Gus Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:09:46pm |
re: #216 Targetpractice
And if he’d succeeded in getting away, then why initiate a confrontation? Why, if the guy you think poses a threat to your life has stopped pursuing you, do you go out and confront him, let alone attack him?
Zimmerman initiated the confrontation. Because Zimmerman saw a ni-CLANG! That’s why.
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:10:06pm |
re: #218 Gus
Zimmerman initiated the confrontation. Because Zimmerman saw a ni-CLANG! That’s why.
And you know this how?
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:11:36pm |
re: #221 Gus
You seem to know everything about George.
I’m not the one arguing that he knows what happened that evening.
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Gus Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:12:16pm |
.@therealpest @michaelskolnik - Lib media shld ask if what these2 black teens did 2 a woman&baby is the reason ppl think blacks mightB risky— Robert Zimmerman Jr (@rzimmermanjr) March 24, 2013
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Gus Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:12:31pm |
.@tredingplaces - POTUS spoke of his Mom acting like a “typical” white woman when encountering blacks. The fate of Sherry West might B why.— Robert Zimmerman Jr (@rzimmermanjr) March 24, 2013
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CarleeCork Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:12:47pm |
re: #200 Targetpractice
Back in the early days of all this, folks found out that Zimmerman had two arrests that had been expunged, one included resisting arrest and hitting a cop. Even after the insinuation that his dad had helped him get off without jail time had died away, the argument was that his record of being a violent guy made it plausible that he’d attacked Martin and so Martin was engaging in self-defense by hitting Zimmerman.
If Martin has some violent history, would that not make it just as plausible that he hit Zimmerman first?
Why are you questioning the victim’s history. That’s like blaming the rape victim.
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Gus Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:12:58pm |
“Congressional Black Caucus is THE conscience of the Congress”:@repcorrinebrown Was CBC’s conscience bothered by this? twitter.com/rzimmermanjr/s…— Robert Zimmerman Jr (@rzimmermanjr) January 14, 2013
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Gus Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:13:20pm |
. @michaelskolnik The tweet U cite is lip-service. - Stick 2 convicting suspects based on race…Except of course if the suspects are black.— Robert Zimmerman Jr (@rzimmermanjr) March 24, 2013
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Gus Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:13:41pm |
.@kim_5564 @michaelskolnik - Hypocrisy he exhibits MUST b pointed out every single time. Where R his articles condemning armed black teens?— Robert Zimmerman Jr (@rzimmermanjr) March 24, 2013
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:13:58pm |
re: #227 CarleeCork
Why are you questioning the victim’s history. That’s like blaming the rape victim.
Because I’d like to know both sides of this tragedy.
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:14:45pm |
So because one’s brother is a racist dipshit, one must also be a racist dipshit?
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Gus Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:15:04pm |
re: #233 Targetpractice
So because one’s brother is a racist dipshit, one must also being a racist dipshit?
Pretty much. Yep.
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:15:38pm |
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CarleeCork Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:15:58pm |
re: #231 Targetpractice
Because I’d like to know both sides of this tragedy.
Not possible, the victim is dead.
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:16:56pm |
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Gus Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:17:02pm |
re: #235 Targetpractice
So I’m a racist dipshit because I’ve got racists in my family tree?
This isn’t about you.
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Eventual Carrion Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:17:32pm |
re: #86 Targetpractice
Believe it or not, being a dumbass isn’t criminal. If it was, we’d all be doing time behind bars.
Being a dumbass and KILLING someone is.
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freetoken Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:17:50pm |
If I were on the jury in the Zimmerman case, given only what we know publicly - and obviously a trial would likely reveal more evidence - I could convict Zimmerman of manslaughter. Of murder? Probably not, at least in the highest degree (I don’t know how Florida divides murder and manslaughter into various levels of intent.)
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CarleeCork Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:18:08pm |
re: #237 Targetpractice
Doesn’t mean there’s not records of his life.
How about looking at the record of the shooter’s life?
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:18:12pm |
re: #238 Gus
This isn’t about you.
Why not? According to your logic, being related to a racist means one is a racist. So am I racist?
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goddamnedfrank Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:18:25pm |
re: #233 Targetpractice
So because one’s brother is a racist dipshit, one must also be a racist dipshit?
Honestly, that’s less weird than using Zimmerman’s two expunged arrests to then speculate baselessly about Martin’s legal past.
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William Barnett-Lewis Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:18:30pm |
re: #212 Vicious Babushka
And now that I look at it again, I notice that the guy who tweeted it has a neo-nazi Twitter name.
Bletch. I didn’t notice that till you mentioned it. I was too busy laughing at the idiotic mall ninja rifle.
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:18:36pm |
re: #241 CarleeCork
How about looking at the record of the shooter’s life?
The media’s been covering his life, front to back, for months now.
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CarleeCork Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:19:43pm |
re: #245 Targetpractice
The media’s been covering his life, front to back, for months now.
Bullshit.
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Gus Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:20:00pm |
re: #242 Targetpractice
Why not? According to your logic, being related to a racist means one is a racist. So am I racist?
Dude. I don’t know why this is so important to you. That and you have the name “Targetpractice.” I need a smoke.
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:20:12pm |
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:21:06pm |
re: #247 Gus
Dude. I don’t know why this is so important to you. That and you have the name “Targetpractice.” I need a smoke.
Old gamer handle, I used to play alot of FPS games online and sucked at them mightily. Used to joke that the only thing I was good for on a server was as targetpractice for the newbies.
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Thundermother(it will turn your head around) Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:22:07pm |
Am I misinformed here? Was Martin suspicious in any way? If so, how? If so, does that give some random citizen with a gun the right to shoot him?
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:24:33pm |
re: #250 Thundermother(it will turn your head around)
Am I misinformed here? Was Martin suspicious in any way? If so, how? If so, does that give some random citizen with a gun the right to shoot him?
How would anybody know, the only two witnesses to the events that night prior to the two fighting on the ground were the shooter and the deceased.
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goddamnedfrank Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:24:37pm |
re: #250 Thundermother(it will turn your head around)
Am I misinformed here? Was Martin suspicious in any way? If so, how? If so, does that give some random citizen with a gun the right to shoot him?
Black kid wearing a hoodie. I’m surprised nobody called in artillery support./
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CarleeCork Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:24:57pm |
re: #248 Targetpractice
What is it you think is being hidden?
Just the fact that you’re here defending Zimmerman and convicting Martin tells everyone what is being hidden. Why exactly was Zimmerman following Martin?
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Thundermother(it will turn your head around) Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:26:07pm |
re: #251 Targetpractice
So what did Martin do that warranted being followed by a man with both a mission and a gun?
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Gus Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:26:17pm |
re: #252 goddamnedfrank
Black kid wearing a hoodie. I’m surprised nobody called in artillery support./
Ni-CLANG in sight! Call in the rolling barrage lieutenant!
//
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goddamnedfrank Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:26:22pm |
re: #251 Targetpractice
How would anybody know, the only two witnesses to the events that night prior to the two fighting on the ground were the shooter and the deceased.
Which is again reason enough for society to expect armed civilians not to needlessly seek out confrontation.
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:27:23pm |
re: #254 Thundermother(it will turn your head around)
So what did Martin do that warranted being followed by a man with both a mission and a gun?
If we refuse to believe Zimmerman’s testimony, then we’re in the dark.
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Gus Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:27:58pm |
.@gzwarrior @libertybellej Good point Jad. Apparently the self-proclaimed “F-U” attitude applied 2 school & law - Marijuana.— Robert Zimmerman Jr (@rzimmermanjr) March 25, 2013
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Gus Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:28:39pm |
.@therealpest @gzwarrior @libertybellej And canonize blacks by referring 2them as victims.The media should have pushed back on the unproven.— Robert Zimmerman Jr (@rzimmermanjr) March 25, 2013
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goddamnedfrank Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:29:37pm |
re: #257 Targetpractice
If we refuse to believe Zimmerman’s testimony, then we’re in the dark.
Wait, what? His testimony on its face, even if we believe it, neither justifies nor excuses his decision to continue following Martin, especially while armed and counter to police advice.
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palomino Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:30:41pm |
re: #257 Targetpractice
If we refuse to believe Zimmerman’s testimony, then we’re in the dark.
You didn’t answer the question, Zim’s testimony gives no legit reason for why he was following Trayvon.
Having “suspicions” even though you haven’t seen X do anything wrong, not a legit reason.
“There had been crime in the area.” Also not legit…most cities have some crime “in the area.” Not reason enough to play cop, as Zim did.
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:31:49pm |
re: #261 palomino
You didn’t answer the question, Zim’s testimony gives no legit reason for why he was following Trayvon.
Having “suspicions” even though you haven’t seen X do anything wrong, not a legit reason.
“There had been crime in the area.” Also not legit…most cities have some crime “in the area.” Not reason enough to play cop, as Zim did.
Zimmerman’s testimony is that Martin was wandering around and looking in houses.
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palomino Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:32:37pm |
re: #257 Targetpractice
If we refuse to believe Zimmerman’s testimony, then we’re in the dark.
We’re already in the dark. The scary Skittles kid is 6 feet under. So the best you’re gonna get is one side of the story from a guy who, I think we can all agree, did not act in a completely rational way, and is now just looking to save his ass.
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Thundermother(it will turn your head around) Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:32:39pm |
re: #257 Targetpractice
Is his testimony ‘I followed some kid(who I suspected of wrongdoing) around long enough to possibly make him feel freaked out enough to fight back, then I used my gun’?
I ain’t buying it.
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goddamnedfrank Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:33:16pm |
re: #262 Targetpractice
Zimmerman’s testimony is that Martin was wandering around and looking in houses.
Looking at, not in.
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Gus Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:33:19pm |
re: #262 Targetpractice
Zimmerman’s testimony is that Martin was wandering around and looking in houses.
Yep. Looking into houses, even if this is true, should result in being mudered.
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goddamnedfrank Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:34:19pm |
I wander around all the time, it’s kind of hard not to look at houses.
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:34:21pm |
re: #263 palomino
We’re already in the dark. The scary Skittles kid is 6 feet under. So the best you’re gonna get is one side of the story from a guy who, I think we can all agree, did not act in a completely rational way.
I’d agree and have agreed that he should not have exited his truck.
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Gus Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:34:22pm |
I look at houses. Sometimes I accidentally look inside said homes and see people doing things. Fortunately, I’m white. Michelle Malkin is known for looking into housing and doing kitchen surveys.
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palomino Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:34:24pm |
re: #262 Targetpractice
Zimmerman’s testimony is that Martin was wandering around and looking in houses.
How convenient. Let’s just take Zim’s word at face value, and ignore the rest of the situation.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:34:37pm |
re: #234 Gus
Pretty much. Yep.
That however, is not admissible in court. Robert Zimmerman’s thoughts and actions will not be on trial, and no finder of fact could properly consider that tweet when determining guilt. It’s grossly prejudicial.
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allegro Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:34:41pm |
re: #262 Targetpractice
Zimmerman’s testimony is that Martin was wandering around and looking in houses.
Hmmm. I followed this story pretty closely the first few weeks and I don’t recall any such claim at the time.
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:35:11pm |
re: #270 palomino
How convenient. Let’s just take Zim’s word at face value, and ignore the rest of the situation.
We shouldn’t take it at face value, but we shouldn’t discard it because we don’t like the guy. That’s the point of a trial, to present evidence for both cases.
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palomino Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:36:19pm |
re: #268 Targetpractice
I’d agree and have agreed that he should not have exited his truck.
Exactly, that’s what millions of us have been saying for months.
And, if not for that action of Zim’s which you rightly criticize, nobody would have died that night. Period.
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Gus Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:36:31pm |
re: #273 Targetpractice
We shouldn’t take it at face value, but we shouldn’t discard it because we don’t like the guy. That’s the point of a trial, to present evidence for both cases.
If you were DF making this case tonight you would have made a clean sweep of the bottom ten tonight.
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palomino Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:37:31pm |
re: #275 Gus
If you were DF making this case tonight you would have made a clean sweep of the bottom ten tonight.
Just imagine if it was KT, Buck, or a magically resurrected albusteve. Would be far worse than even DF.
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:37:59pm |
re: #274 palomino
Exactly, that’s what millions of us have been saying for months.
And, if not for that action of Zim’s which you rightly criticize, nobody would have died that night. Period.
Criminal negligence at best, not murder.
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Gus Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:41:04pm |
re: #277 palomino
Just imagine if it was KT, Buck, or a magically resurrected albusteve. Would be far worse than even DF.
I’m surprised that Killgore hasn’t shown up to defend crime fighter George Zimmerman.
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goddamnedfrank Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:41:08pm |
Again, “at” not “in.”
OK, he’s just walking around the area…
Zimmerman
looking at all the houses.
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Lidane Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:41:31pm |
Tonight’s episode of The Walking Dead was a gut punch I didn’t expect.
OMG. Greg Nicotero you devious bastard. How could you make me care right before twisting the knife? GAH.
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Gus Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:42:28pm |
re: #280 goddamnedfrank
Again, “at” not “in.”
You’re walking around houses. Now imagine not looking at houses. Weird defense.
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palomino Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:43:04pm |
re: #278 Targetpractice
Criminal negligence at best, not murder.
I made no mention of what he should be found guilty of, never even mentioned murder. So you’re defending Zim against an accusation I didn’t even make…why, I have no idea.
As for what I actually posted, I simply agreed with you that Zim was irrational to get out of his truck, and I was making the point that there wouldn’t have been a death that night if Zim had stayed put and not played cop.
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Gus Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:43:17pm |
I was just outside again taking a couple of puffs. I was looking at houses. Sometimes if their curtains are open, I’ll accidentally look inside houses. Shoot me.
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Mattand Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:43:42pm |
Just dropped in. Jesus Christ, don’t tell me we’re in another “George Zimmerman is a misunderstood hero” death spiral?
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Gus Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:45:17pm |
Follow me! Stalk me! Submit Trayvon! Submit! The authority is out to get you for walking back home in between houses and look at houses! Eventually that fat headed fucking loser George Zimmerman will shot you in the heart and become a hero to the man club.
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:45:19pm |
re: #283 palomino
I made no mention of what he should be found guilty of, never even mentioned murder. So you’re defending Zim against an accusation I didn’t even make…why, I have no idea.
As for what I actually posted, I simply agreed with you that Zim was irrational to get out of his truck, and I was making the point that there wouldn’t have been a death that night if Zim had stayed put and not played cop.
But that’s not what happened, so we have to deal with what did.
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jaunte Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:45:36pm |
re: #285 Mattand
Plus all the potentially justifying facts of Trayvon Martin’s full scary criminality have not yet surfaced.
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Gus Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:46:52pm |
re: #287 Targetpractice
But that’s not what happened, so we have to deal with what did.
You wouldn’t get picked for the jury. You’re obviously biased in favor of George Zimmerman.
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Lidane Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:47:05pm |
re: #285 Mattand
Just dropped in. Jesus Christ, don’t tell me we’re in another “George Zimmerman is a misunderstood hero” death spiral?
Ugh. I hope not.
I’m pretty sure all this shit was settled when his story didn’t add up with the forensic evidence. Why is this even a debate anymore?
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palomino Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:47:19pm |
re: #281 Lidane
Tonight’s episode of The Walking Dead was a gut punch I didn’t expect.
OMG. Greg Nicotero you devious bastard. How could you make me care right before twisting the knife? GAH.
Love the show, even the way it jerks you around sometimes, but especially the surprises that come from nowhere. And the characters—Michonne, Daryl, Merle, The Guvna…good actors in juicy fun roles. Michonne is a badass, Daryl too. Glad you made your post vague enough so no spoilers.
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palomino Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:47:40pm |
re: #287 Targetpractice
But that’s not what happened, so we have to deal with what did.
How is that not what happened?
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:48:08pm |
re: #289 Gus
You wouldn’t get picked for the jury. You’re obviously biased in favor of George Zimmerman.
And not a single soul on this board would either, because the court of public opinion has already tried, judged, and sentenced George Zimmerman to drawing and quartering.
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Thundermother(it will turn your head around) Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:48:22pm |
re: #288 jaunte
He posed for a picture flipping the bird. That there spells trouble.
I’d have been shot a hundred times over for that particular offense.
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:48:41pm |
re: #292 palomino
How is that not what happened?
Saying “If he hadn’t got out, nobody would have died” is nice, but he didn’t, so we have to deal with the consequences.
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William Barnett-Lewis Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:48:53pm |
re: #285 Mattand
Just dropped in. Jesus Christ, don’t tell me we’re in another “George Zimmerman is a misunderstood hero” death spiral?
Nah, it’s not that. What we have is a handful of lizards who are nearer to each other than they realize talking past each other mostly on how they define how to look at differing parts of the question.
I try to stay out of it because all the lizards talking tonight have good points to bring to town.
I think I need to get down on my knees and thank the Good Lord that I will not be on _that_ jury.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:49:07pm |
re: #277 palomino
Just imagine if it was KT, Buck, or a magically resurrected albusteve. Would be far worse than even DF.
Worse in terms of the downdings, or in some other way?
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BongCrodny Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:49:08pm |
re: #258 Gus
Good point Jad. Apparently the self-proclaimed “F-U” attitude applied 2 school & law - Marijuana
Well, shit on a pogo stick — you might as well just shoot me right now, too.
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Gus Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:49:33pm |
re: #293 Targetpractice
And not a single soul on this board would either, because the court of public opinion has already tried, judged, and sentenced George Zimmerman to drawing and quartering.
OK. Just noticing how you have a quick and ready answer for everyone tonight. You’re obviously a George Zimmerman cheerleader.
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Gus Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:50:39pm |
re: #295 Targetpractice
Saying “If he hadn’t got out, nobody would have died” is nice, but he didn’t, so we have to deal with the consequences.
Sort of how you responded to this within 30 seconds of responding to me.
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Gus Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:51:41pm |
LEAVE POOR GEORGE ZIMMERMAN ALONE! PLEASE! LEAVE POOR GEORGE ZIMMERMAN ALONE!
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palomino Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:53:05pm |
re: #295 Targetpractice
Saying “If he hadn’t got out, nobody would have died” is nice, but he didn’t, so we have to deal with the consequences.
Yeah, I get that Trayvon’s dead. But I’m not just gonna say, “Well, it’s over. Nothing we can do to prevent these in the future. So just carry on as usual.”
This was a truly senseless death. Trying to make it clear to future Zims that they should stay in their vehicles (and not play at policing) is my overall point. Because that might actually save lives.
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:53:18pm |
re: #299 Gus
OK. Just noticing how you have a quick and ready answer for everyone tonight. You’re obviously a George Zimmerman cheerleader.
No, just been following this case for awhile now, along with commentary on other sites like TalkLeft, which has been picking through the evidence since the beginning.
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:53:59pm |
re: #302 palomino
Yeah, I get that Trayvon’s dead. But I’m not just gonna say, “Well, it’s over. Nothing we can do to prevent these in the future. So just carry on as usual.”
This was a truly senseless death. Trying to make it clear to future Zims that they should stay in their vehicles (and not play at policing) is my overall point. Because that might actually save lives.
So this isn’t about justice so much as establishing a precedent? Even if we can’t prove murder, we should convict him of such to ensure there won’t be copycats?
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CarleeCork Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:54:46pm |
re: #302 palomino
Yeah, I get that Trayvon’s dead. But I’m not just gonna say, “Well, it’s over. Nothing we can do to prevent these in the future. So just carry on as usual.”
This was a truly senseless death. Trying to make it clear to future Zims that they should stay in their vehicles (and not play at policing) is my overall point. Because that might actually save lives.
Thank you for that.
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Gus Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:55:13pm |
re: #304 Targetpractice
So this isn’t about justice so much as establishing a precedent? Even if we can’t prove murder, we should convict him of such to ensure there won’t be copycats?
This response was within 41 seconds. Interesting. You’re pretty manic about this aren’t you.
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palomino Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:55:27pm |
re: #293 Targetpractice
And not a single soul on this board would either, because the court of public opinion has already tried, judged, and sentenced George Zimmerman to drawing and quartering.
Really, then why is he raising so much money all over the internet? He’s got millions of supporters at Fox Nation, Limbaugh land, etc., and those folks are putting their money where their mouth is.
And the court of public opinion probably won’t matter given the SYG laws in FL.
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:55:56pm |
re: #306 Gus
This response was within 41 seconds. Interesting. You’re pretty manic about this aren’t you.
How long is a good interval for you, Gus?
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Gus Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:57:31pm |
re: #308 Targetpractice
How long is a good interval for you, Gus?
Hell, who knows. I’m a sinner for doing work for real estate developers. Praise the Talk Left Jesus they iz thinking about poor ol’ George Zimmerman.
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jaunte Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:57:41pm |
re: #307 palomino
Really, then why is he raising so much money all over the internet? He’s got millions of supporters at Fox Nation, Limbaugh land, etc., and those folks are putting their money where their mouth is.
The case is for them now not so much about justice, as about justifying the fear of black teenagers.
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palomino Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:57:57pm |
re: #304 Targetpractice
So this isn’t about justice so much as establishing a precedent? Even if we can’t prove murder, we should convict him of such to ensure there won’t be copycats?
I never said I thought he was guilty of murder. Given the FL law, he’s probably NOT.
I’m not pushing for him to rot in jail. I’m pushing for this tragic case to be used to illustrate the dangers of non-cops pursuing “suspects” and following them on foot.
Bottom line: I don’t want Zim to suffer. I want the next Trayvon not to get shot by the next Zimmerman.
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:58:23pm |
re: #307 palomino
Really, then why is he raising so much money all over the internet? He’s got millions of supporters at Fox Nation, Limbaugh land, etc., and those folks are putting their money where their mouth is.
And the court of public opinion probably won’t matter given the SYG laws in FL.
His lawyer’s already waived an SYG hearing, because the defense is already so strapped for cash that it can’t depose all the witnesses it wishes to and obtain all the experts it needs in time to be ready for that hearing.
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Gus Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:59:01pm |
re: #308 Targetpractice
How long is a good interval for you, Gus?
Here’s the gig. You’re defending some fucking asshole that went out of his way to get in Trayvon Martin’s face and succeeded in MURDERING him. See above for Stanley Sea’s comments.
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palomino Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:59:07pm |
re: #297 Dark_Falcon
Worse in terms of the downdings, or in some other way?
More downdings.
I don’t think you’re an asshole like those others. You just have the opinions and worldview of an asshole./
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BongCrodny Sun, Mar 24, 2013 8:59:39pm |
Zimmerman Defense Fund Facebook Page:
“An attempt to fund my legal and personal needs after smears by the liberal media have left me unable to do so.”
In short — he sounds like a bit of a dickhead. So while I’m not convicting Zimmerman before the trial, I’m not going to give him an inch of grace other than the legal protections he gets by virtue of the law.
If he’s found innocent because of that stupid law, so be it. I hope if that’s the result, Martin’s parents file a whale of a civil lawsuit against him.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 24, 2013 9:00:07pm |
re: #312 Targetpractice
His lawyer’s already waived an SYG hearing, because the defense is already so strapped for cash that it can’t depose all the witnesses it wishes to and obtain all the experts it needs in time to be ready for that hearing.
I thought that hearing was next month.
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 24, 2013 9:00:17pm |
re: #313 Gus
Here’s the gig. You’re defending some fucking asshole that went out of his way to get in Trayvon Martin’s face and succeeded in MURDERING him. See above for Stanley Sea’s comments.
And is he not entitled to a defense? Do you believe that the media has sufficiently proven his guilt that we have no need for a public trial?
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 24, 2013 9:01:47pm |
re: #316 Dark_Falcon
I thought that hearing was next month.
Nope, he waived that hearing the last time he was before the judge. He’d requested more time and the judge denied the request, so he said that given the time limit he was under and that the defense fund is running low, he can’t be ready in time for the scheduled SYG pre-trial hearing.
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William Barnett-Lewis Sun, Mar 24, 2013 9:02:40pm |
re: #315 BongCrodny
If he’s found innocent because of that stupid law, so be it. I hope if that’s the result, Martin’s parents file a whale of a civil lawsuit against him.
Please don’t forget that they _can’t_. If Zimmerman is found innocent of criminal charges he is automatically protected from civil complaint under FL law. I personally think that is bad law but it is what it is and is the case in more states than not.
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palomino Sun, Mar 24, 2013 9:03:12pm |
re: #312 Targetpractice
His lawyer’s already waived an SYG hearing, because the defense is already so strapped for cash that it can’t depose all the witnesses it wishes to and obtain all the experts it needs in time to be ready for that hearing.
You sound like Candy Crowley discussing the high school rapists. Ohh, the hearts and flowers for poor Zim. He fucked up, now he has to deal with it. I don’t think he’s guilty of murder (maybe not even manslaughter), but he brought this shit on himself by pretending to be something he’s not—-an actual law enforcement officer.
I tend to sympathize more with people who get profiled and pursued and then shot than overzealous pretend cops.
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allegro Sun, Mar 24, 2013 9:03:40pm |
re: #317 Targetpractice
And is he not entitled to a defense? Do you believe that the media has sufficiently proven his guilt that we have no need for a public trial?
No has questioned his entitlement to legal defense. It’s YOUR determined defense that’s… interesting.
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BongCrodny Sun, Mar 24, 2013 9:04:33pm |
re: #319 William Barnett-Lewis
Please don’t forget that they _can’t_. If Zimmerman is found innocent of criminal charges he is automatically protected from civil complaint under FL law. I personally think that is bad law but it is what it is and is the case in more states than not.
Jesus. Bad law complicated by a further bad law.
Somebody’s drinking too much swamp water down there.
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 24, 2013 9:04:37pm |
re: #320 palomino
You sound like Candy Crowley discussing the high school rapists. Ohh, the hearts and flowers for poor Zim. He fucked up, now he has to deal with it. I don’t think he’s guilty of murder (maybe not even manslaughter), but he brought this shit on himself by pretending to be something he’s not—-an actual law enforcement officer.
I tend to sympathize more with people who get profiled and pursued and then shot than overzealous pretend cops.
I was reporting the reason behind the SYG pre-trial hearing being waived. I was unaware that that indicated sympathy on my part.
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 24, 2013 9:06:06pm |
re: #321 allegro
No has questioned his entitlement to legal defense. It’s YOUR determined defense that’s… interesting.
I’ve viewed the evidence and had reason to question events as portrayed. Anybody who thinks I’ve been a defender of Zimmerman since the beginning is welcome to look up my comments as this was initially unfolding and see for themselves.
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palomino Sun, Mar 24, 2013 9:06:15pm |
re: #310 jaunte
The case is for them now not so much about justice, as about justifying the fear of black teenagers.
I wish that wasn’t true, but I’ve read way too many articles, posts, comments and watched some FoxNews coverage, so I have to agree.
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allegro Sun, Mar 24, 2013 9:07:16pm |
re: #324 Targetpractice
I’ve viewed the evidence and had reason to question events as portrayed. Anybody who thinks I’ve been a defender of Zimmerman since the beginning is welcome to look up my comments as this was initially unfolding and see for themselves.
What reason is that? What evidence?
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palomino Sun, Mar 24, 2013 9:07:46pm |
re: #323 Targetpractice
I was reporting the reason behind the SYG pre-trial hearing being waived. I was unaware that that indicated sympathy on my part.
I don’t usually spend hours defending people that I’m not sympathetic to.
Since you’ve done just that, I inferred that you’re sympathetic to Zim.
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 24, 2013 9:08:21pm |
re: #326 allegro
What reason is that? What evidence?
Eyewitness testimony, maps of the events of that evening, Zimmerman’s own testimony as well as pictures of him that evening.
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Gus Sun, Mar 24, 2013 9:08:28pm |
re: #324 Targetpractice
I’ve viewed the evidence and had reason to question events as portrayed. Anybody who thinks I’ve been a defender of Zimmerman since the beginning is welcome to look up my comments as this was initially unfolding and see for themselves.
Dude, again. I think it’s just weird how you’re like this George Zimmerman defender bot. Boom. Boom. One retort after the other. It’s like your cause celeb.
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 24, 2013 9:09:12pm |
re: #327 palomino
I don’t usually spend hours defending people that I’m not sympathetic to.
Since you’ve done just that, I inferred that you’re sympathetic to Zim.
Not sympathetic so much as wishing to see a fair trial, same as anyone else would.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 24, 2013 9:09:43pm |
re: #314 palomino
More downdings.
I don’t think you’re an asshole like those others. You just have the opinions and worldview of an asshole./
Thanks, I think.
But now I find I must get to bed. Goodnight, all.
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 24, 2013 9:09:46pm |
re: #329 Gus
Dude, again. I think it’s just weird how you’re like this George Zimmerman defender bot. Boom. Boom. One retort after the other. It’s like your cause celeb.
I have a lot of causes I’m passionate about. A fair trial tends to be one of them.
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allegro Sun, Mar 24, 2013 9:14:34pm |
re: #328 Targetpractice
Eyewitness testimony, maps of the events of that evening, Zimmerman’s own testimony as well as pictures of him that evening.
What conclusion has that evidence resulted in you coming to?
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palomino Sun, Mar 24, 2013 9:15:55pm |
re: #330 Targetpractice
Not sympathetic so much as wishing to see a fair trial, same as anyone else would.
I don’t think anyone here thinks he should get railroaded. I certainly don’t.
But I do think he should have stayed in his car, not been overzealous, and maybe the kid wouldn’t have died. More importantly, I want people in Zim’s situation in the future to NOT overreact so that kids in Trayvon’s situation don’t needlessly get shot.
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 24, 2013 9:16:50pm |
re: #333 allegro
What conclusion has that evidence resulted in you coming to?
That the prosecution’s version of events, where Zimmerman runs down Martin, attacks him, and then shoots Martin when the tables turned, is either inaccurate or bogus. What actually happened is a matter of debate, because the evidence is full of gaps. Eyewitness testimony, for example, doesn’t cover the supposed confrontation. And while some say there was a chase, they can’t be clear as to who was chasing who.
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 24, 2013 9:17:52pm |
re: #334 palomino
I don’t think anyone here thinks he should get railroaded. I certainly don’t.
But I do think he should have stayed in his car, not been overzealous, and maybe the kid wouldn’t have died. More importantly, I want people in Zim’s situation in the future to NOT overreact so that kids in Trayvon’s situation don’t needlessly get shot.
So then do you believe he should be convicted, no matter how poorly the prosecution presents its case?
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palomino Sun, Mar 24, 2013 9:19:29pm |
re: #335 Targetpractice
That the prosecution’s version of events, where Zimmerman runs down Martin, attacks him, and then shoots Martin when the tables turned, is either inaccurate or bogus. What actually happened is a matter of debate, because the evidence is full of gaps. Eyewitness testimony, for example, doesn’t cover the supposed confrontation. And while some say there was a chase, they can’t be clear as to who was chasing who.
And the lesson I hope people will learn from this is: if you think you see somthing suspicious, but aren’t really sure and really don’t know what’s going on (as Zim didn’t), then stay in your car, whether you’re carrying a piece or not.
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 24, 2013 9:22:04pm |
re: #337 palomino
And the lesson I hope people will learn from this is: if you think you see somthing suspicious, but aren’t really sure and really don’t know what’s going on (as Zim didn’t), then stay in your car, whether you’re carrying a piece or not.
Or to retain a lawyer as soon as possible, in case the media catches wind and thinks it can turn you into the nightly news story.
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palomino Sun, Mar 24, 2013 9:25:24pm |
re: #338 Targetpractice
Or to retain a lawyer as soon as possible, in case the media catches wind and thinks it can turn you into the nightly news story.
Good point, I’m still mostly concerned with preventing this type of tragedy in the future. Neighborhood watchpersons should be more cautious, less zealous.
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 24, 2013 9:29:39pm |
re: #339 palomino
Good point, I’m still mostly concerned with preventing this type of tragedy in the future. Neighborhood watchpersons should be more cautious, less zealous.
And I agree. But it seems to be becoming a cautionary tale of how one can be cleared of wrong-doing one day, and on trial for murder the next because of media outrage.
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allegro Sun, Mar 24, 2013 9:35:08pm |
re: #340 Targetpractice
And I agree. But it seems to be becoming a cautionary tale of how one can be cleared of wrong-doing one day, and on trial for murder the next because of media outrage.
That’s one spin. Here’s another: PUBLIC outrage resulted in the proper investigation of the death of an innocent black kid killed by a guy whose dad had already bought him out of scrapes with police before.
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 24, 2013 9:39:02pm |
re: #341 allegro
That’s one spin. Here’s another: PUBLIC outrage resulted in the proper investigation of the death of an innocent black kid killed by a guy whose dad had already bought him out of scrapes with police before.
Except nobody has ever proven that Zimmerman managed to get the charges expunged by involving his dad, rather than agreeing to a plea bargain as the record shows. And who sparked the public outrage? Who told the media about the story in the first place?
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allegro Sun, Mar 24, 2013 9:44:21pm |
re: #342 Targetpractice
Except nobody has ever proven that Zimmerman managed to get the charges expunged by involving his dad, rather than agreeing to a plea bargain as the record shows. And who sparked the public outrage? Who told the media about the story in the first place?
I don’t know who sparked the public outrage. If Trayvon had been my son, it would have been me, especially since the police were apparently doing nothing but blowing off the kid’s shooting. By the time it swept the public consciousness, transparency had to follow.
Since you are so familiar with the details, why weren’t the police investigating?
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Jimmah Sun, Mar 24, 2013 9:51:56pm |
re: #262 Targetpractice
Zimmerman’s testimony is that Martin was wandering around and looking in houses.
While black.
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 24, 2013 9:53:48pm |
re: #344 allegro
I don’t know who sparked the public outrage. If Trayvon had been my son, it would have been me, especially since the police were apparently doing nothing but blowing off the kid’s shooting. By the time it swept the public consciousness, transparency had to follow.
Since you are so familiar with the details, why weren’t the police investigating?
They were investigating. Believe it or not, it takes time to examine evidence and determine if a crime has actually taken place.
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allegro Sun, Mar 24, 2013 9:57:12pm |
re: #346 Targetpractice
They were investigating. Believe it or not, it takes time to examine evidence and determine if a crime has actually taken place.
You said he was cleared until the media started reporting. If he was cleared, there was no continuing investigation. Which is it?
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 24, 2013 9:58:44pm |
re: #347 allegro
You said he was cleared until the media started reporting. If he was cleared, there was no continuing investigation. Which is it?
He was not immediately charged. The lead investigator had doubts about his story, but he recommended a manslaughter charge. And the response back was that what he had wasn’t enough and he needed more evidence. He’s since told the FBI that he was under pressure from officers within his own department to charge Zimmerman.
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allegro Sun, Mar 24, 2013 10:07:15pm |
re: #348 Targetpractice
He was not immediately charged. The lead investigator had doubts about his story, but he recommended a manslaughter charge. And the response back was that what he had wasn’t enough and he needed more evidence. He’s since told the FBI that he was under pressure from officers within his own department to charge Zimmerman.
You’re changing the story. First, he was cleared until railroaded by media/public pressure. Now the story is that he wasn’t cleared, he just wasn’t charged yet though the police didn’t believe his story. Maybe there’s a good reason they didn’t believe him and wanted to see him charged?
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 24, 2013 10:09:37pm |
re: #349 allegro
You’re changing the story. He was cleared until railroaded by media/public pressure. Now the story is that he wasn’t cleared, he just wasn’t charged yet though the police didn’t believe his story. Maybe there’s a good reason they didn’t believe him and wanted to see him charged?
You’re right, I should have chosen my terms more carefully. He was advised that he was not under arrest and had no reason to believe he would be. The investigation was ongoing, but there was no indication that it was going to yield charges before the Martin family’s lawyer started agitating before the press about how the Sanford PD was covering up the crime.
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stabby Sun, Mar 24, 2013 10:18:28pm |
re: #209 palomino
You sympathize with a self-appointed cop who profiles teens without seeing them actually commit any wrongdoing, and then follows them while packing heat.
Don’t forget that the police call records show that he also profiles young children without seeing them actually commit any wrongdoing as well.
The question is, why was he allowed to “patrol” as long as he was. Are there no protections against having maniacs self-appoint and follow our children with guns?
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