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1 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 5:54:37pm

I was hoping this one would get promoted.

2 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 5:55:33pm

I want to do whatever I can to keep Jim Hoft and Michelle Malkin and Greg Gutfeld in a state of apoplexy.

3 Amory Blaine  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 5:56:29pm

re: #2 Charles Johnson

I want to do whatever I can to keep Jim Hoft and Michelle Malkin and Greg Gutfeld in a state of apoplexy.

Continue breathing.

4 Gus  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 5:56:41pm

Results for Jim Carrey #TGDN

5 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 5:57:18pm

re: #2 Charles Johnson

I want to do whatever I can to keep Jim Hoft and Michelle Malkin and Greg Gutfeld in a state of apoplexy.

It’s nice to have a goal in life.

6 Amory Blaine  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 6:00:49pm

“Your chariot may not be swingin’ low.” LOL

7 Kragar  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 6:02:03pm

re: #2 Charles Johnson

I want to do whatever I can to keep Jim Hoft and Michelle Malkin and Greg Gutfeld in a state of apoplexy.

Not exactly hard.

8 Political Atheist  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 6:02:30pm

Just not down with mocking the dead like that. Jim, is this really the best ya got for the cause? Really? Stay classy.

9 freetoken  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 6:03:03pm

re: #2 Charles Johnson

I want to do whatever I can to keep Jim Hoft and Michelle Malkin and Greg Gutfeld in a state of apoplexy.

But what are you going to do with the other 23 hours and 57 minutes of every day?

10 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 6:03:26pm
11 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 6:06:02pm

re: #10 Charles Johnson

there’s always a “but” with these people…

12 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 6:06:52pm

Carrey’s moves in this video are totally based on Andy Kaufman’s famous bongo-Mighty Mouse sketches.

13 erik_t  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 6:07:00pm

Choosing between an anti-vaccine nutter and right-wing nutjobs.

Ugh. I guess I’ll root for the meteor.

14 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 6:08:15pm

re: #8 Political Atheist

Just not down with mocking the dead like that. Jim, is this really the best ya got for the cause? Really? Stay classy.

He’s a comedian. That’s what they do.

Besides, the dead aren’t in a position to care much and Chuck didn’t die under any special conditions which make his death a sensitive event.

15 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 6:08:30pm

re: #8 Political Atheist

Meh, Jim isn’t funny, especially not with the anti-vax promotions he & Jenny McCarthy have done.

16 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 6:10:05pm

re: #13 erik_t

Choosing between an anti-vaccine nutter and right-wing nutjobs.

Ugh. I guess I’ll root for the meteor.

Tough choice, so I’ll evaluate the skit based on the message rather than the messenger.

I know, I’m being quirky.

17 stabby  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 6:11:14pm

re: #2 Charles Johnson

I want to do whatever I can to keep Jim Hoft and Michelle Malkin and Greg Gutfeld in a state of apoplexy.

…

I don’t know who Greg Gutfeld is, but those other two wake up in a state of apoplexy. I think anything short of slipping thorazine into their tea will “keep them in a state of apoplexy”

18 Kragar  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 6:12:29pm

I expect tomorrow to be a day of wailing and gnashing of teeth no matter what the outcome.

19 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 6:17:35pm

re: #14 b_sharp

He’s a comedian. That’s what they do.

Besides, the dead aren’t in a position to care much and Chuck didn’t die under any special conditions which make his death a sensitive event.

I think he’s funny generally, although this didn’t make me laugh. I like his comedy but I don’t take his politics seriously and neither should anyone else.

20 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 6:19:28pm

Not a fan of Jim Carrey’s anti-vaccination statements. But if he can get Greg Gutfeld that worked up, he’s doing something right.

21 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 6:19:56pm

re: #18 Kragar (Antichrist )

I expect tomorrow to be a day of wailing and gnashing of teeth no matter what the outcome.

…and outrageous outrage! Criswell predicts that someone unimportant will say something stupid about an irrelevant topic on twitter.

22 stabby  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 6:20:50pm

re: #19 Killgore Trout

Meh, you either like it or not based on its own merits not on it being Jim Carrey’s.

And I liked it, it was very skillfully done. JC has been annoying at times, but I thought this one was on the mark.

23 Kragar  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 6:21:46pm

re: #21 Killgore Trout

…and outrageous outrage! Criswell predicts that someone unimportant will say something stupid about an irrelevant topic on twitter.

Nah, SCOTUS is supposed to give their opinion on Prop 8 tomorrow.

24 AlexRogan  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 6:22:00pm

re: #8 Political Atheist

Just not down with mocking the dead like that. Jim, is this really the best ya got for the cause? Really? Stay classy.

Carrey wasn’t mocking the Charlton Heston with Alzheimer’s, he was mocking the Charlton Heston who, as NRA president, uttered that a potential Gore administration would have to take his guns “from his cold, dead hands” (as he held a rifle above his head) at the NRA’s 2000 annual meeting. Hell, days after Columbine, Heston and the NRA went ahead with their 1999 annual meeting in Denver, a stone’s throw from the site of that mass casualty.

What Heston did and said when he was at the helm of the NRA begat the craziness and cravenness that has been Wayne LaPierre, but the NRA’s slide from an organization devoted to gun safety and training to one that advocates nearly unrestricted private ownership of just about any type of gun one can think of and that is the lapdog and lobbying arm of the firearms manufacturers started long before that.

IMO, on the subject of gun control policy in this country, Heston’s legacy at the NRA is most definitely fair game; he doesn’t get a pass on that just because he’s now deceased or had Alzheimer’s.

25 Amory Blaine  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 6:22:08pm

‘Obama socialism’ homework angers students at Cobb County high school

Several students and parents at Kell High School in Marietta are upset about an assignment handed out by a social studies teacher on Monday.

The assignment asked students to find evidence for a comparison of Vladimir Lenin and Joseph Stalin’s methods of changing Russia from a capitalist country to a command country to President Barack Obama’s methods of changing the United States from a capitalist country to a socialist country.

Jay Dillon, spokesman for the Cobb County School District, told CBS Atlanta News that the teacher who handed out the homework assignment was a fill-in teacher.

After the assignment was brought to the attention of Kell’s principal, the principal discussed the assignment with the teacher, and the assignment was withdrawn.

The teacher who assigned the homework is still employed at Kell High School.

“I think this is very common, this isn’t out of the ordinary, it happens both ways,” said Jake Carnes, who is in the class where the assignment was given.

“The mistake made (by the teacher),” said Carnes, “was the line crossed between comparing our president to someone like Stalin, even though we are most definitely progressing toward a socialist union.”

26 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 6:22:42pm

re: #19 Killgore Trout

I think he’s funny generally, although this didn’t make me laugh. I like his comedy but I don’t take his politics seriously and neither should anyone else.

I’m not normally a fan of Carrey. Most of his movies suck big time. Every once in a while he does something entertaining, and he is talented.

27 Kragar  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 6:23:34pm

re: #26 b_sharp

I’m not normally a fan of Carrey. Most of his movies suck big time. Every once in a while he does something entertaining, and he is talented.

I didn’t recognize him at first in the trailer for Kick Ass 2.

28 Amory Blaine  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 6:24:07pm
The assignment asked students to find evidence for a comparison of Vladimir Lenin and Joseph Stalin’s methods of changing Russia from a capitalist country to a command country to President Barack Obama’s methods of changing the United States from a capitalist country to a socialist country.

Yep because before Lenin, capitalist freedom soared in Russia. Derp.

29 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 6:26:12pm

re: #23 Kragar (Antichrist )

Nah, SCOTUS is supposed to give their opinion on Prop 8 tomorrow.

Thought tomorrow was oral arguments?

30 Amory Blaine  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 6:27:02pm

Hey Target, you gonna play the new BioShock?

31 dragonath  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 6:28:29pm

re: #25 Amory Blaine

“The mistake made (by the teacher),” said Carnes, “was the line crossed between comparing our president to someone like Stalin, even though we are most definitely progressing toward a socialist union.”

…

32 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 6:29:47pm

Even viewed as general comedy or social commentary this weak, Cliches about tiny dicks. He might as well have done a bit about those bags of peanuts on airlines. Nothing new, nothing challenging, Nothing thought provoking, nothing edgy, no new perspective.

33 Kragar  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 6:29:56pm

re: #29 Targetpractice

Thought tomorrow was oral arguments?

Yeah, I was thinking they already had those.

Still, wailing and gnashing of teeth either way.

34 AlexRogan  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 6:30:07pm

re: #15 Dancing along the light of day

Meh, Jim isn’t funny, especially not with the anti-vax promotions he & Jenny McCarthy have done.

Professionally, I like much of Carrey’s body of work, from In Living Color on.

Personally, I find his adoption of McCarthy’s anti-vax attitudes dumbfounding; at least with this Heston satire, he has proven, once again, the old adage that even a blind squirrel can find a nut once in a while.

35 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 6:30:29pm

LOL, Heston had a tiny dick and didn’t go to heaven. That’s some clever shit.

36 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 6:31:54pm

re: #30 Amory Blaine

Hey Target, you gonna play the new BioShock?

Debating whether to run out and buy a copy or wait to get reviews first. Bought SimCity on release date and…well…I’m just not up for more disappointment right now.

37 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 6:32:40pm

re: #26 b_sharp

I’m not normally a fan of Carrey. Most of his movies suck big time. Every once in a while he does something entertaining, and he is talented.

I really like some of his movies. The Andy Kauffman movie was good but the script treated him like a retard who didn;t know what he was doing which kind of pissed me off. Truman Show wasn’t great but at least it was ambitious. I think Spotless Mind was probably my favorite. It did make me think.

38 Gus  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 6:32:46pm
39 AlexRogan  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 6:33:56pm

re: #38 Gus

Someone who’s not a Carrey fan (now), I take it?

40 Kragar  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 6:34:07pm

re: #38 Gus

4 movies in the next 2 years.

41 Amory Blaine  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 6:34:28pm

If so, at Amazon you get a free copy of XCOM: Enemy Unknown and a 30 dollar credit for a different game.

42 Gus  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 6:34:35pm

re: #39 AlexRogan

Someone who’s not a Carrey fan (now), I take it?

Who knows. They’re really having a melt down over this.

43 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 6:35:14pm

re: #41 Amory Blaine

If so, at Amazon you get a free copy of XCOM: Enemy Unknown and a 30 dollar credit for a different game.

Already have XCOM, and 30 buckets might be good for 3 indie games, but would only cover half of any major title.

44 Gus  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 6:35:18pm
45 Interesting Times  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 6:36:10pm

re: #42 Gus

Who knows. They’re really having a melt down over this.

I daresay I’m at the point where I don’t even care if something has artistic merit or not - if it causes the RWNJs to make themselves look even more deranged and derptastic, +1 :)

46 Gus  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 6:36:15pm
47 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 6:36:22pm

Greg Gutfeld loses it:

Youtube Video
48 AlexRogan  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 6:36:31pm

re: #42 Gus

Who knows. They’re really having a melt down over this.

Some people just live to be offended and act like someone pissed in their Wheaties.

Pro tip to those types: faux outrage is just OUT this spring…

49 SpaceJesus  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 6:36:42pm

The video isn’t funny, but the reaction is pretty fun to watch

50 Gus  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 6:37:29pm

re: #47 Charles Johnson

Greg Gutfeld loses it:

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OUTRAGEOUS OUTRAGE OUTRAGE!! Derp.

51 Amory Blaine  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 6:37:35pm

re: #43 Targetpractice

Yeah the credit is only good for another 2k game. It should be good for Borderlands II. Would be good discount if that game went on sale again.

52 JeffFX  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 6:37:36pm

re: #34 AlexRogan

Personally, I find his adoption of McCarthy’s anti-vax attitudes dumbfounding; at least with this Heston satire, he has proven once again that even a blind squirrel can find a nut once in a while.

He’s not the first geek to behave foolishly to make a pretty girl happy.

53 Gus  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 6:38:05pm

re: #49 SpaceJesus

The video isn’t funny, but the reaction is pretty fun to watch

The reaction is funnier than the video.

54 Stanley Sea  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 6:38:05pm

Just watched. Only the devils true devotees could profiteer from pain and fear.

55 Gus  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 6:38:15pm

MODERN BIGOT!!

56 SpaceJesus  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 6:38:23pm

re: #47 Charles Johnson

hahaha

57 BongCrodny  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 6:38:36pm

re: #40 Kragar (Antichrist )

4 movies in the next 2 years.

Carrey will likely segue into character roles, and he’ll remain in demand, if not a stratosphere-superstar — but for every guy like Clint Eastwood, who stayed a box office draw long past his prime earning days, there are a slew of actors who “drop off the charts” — Michael Douglas, Mel Gibson, Stallone, Schwarzenegger, etc.

Hoping his career is dead is just more wishful thinking from the idiot brigade.

58 Gus  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 6:38:48pm

re: #47 Charles Johnson

Greg Gutfeld loses it:

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You should add that video to the page… use those words… “Greg Gutfeld loses it.”

59 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 6:39:28pm

re: #42 Gus

Who knows. They’re really having a melt down over this.

Probably because it’s the exact same thing social conservatives do, make predictions about who’s going to heaven/hell while painting opposition figures as impotent and full of rage.

I just think it’s lame and roughly as topical as a Liberace joke.

60 Stanley Sea  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 6:39:51pm

Love the Carrey critique, bit the point is this vid. Decrease it by decreasing him.

61 Kragar  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 6:40:06pm

re: #57 BongCrodny

Carrey will likely segue into character roles, and he’ll remain in demand, if not a stratosphere-superstar — but for every guy like Clint Eastwood, who stayed a box office draw long past his prime earning days, there are a slew of actors who “drop off the charts” — Michael Douglas, Mel Gibson, Stallone, Schwarzenegger, etc.

Hoping his career is dead is just more wishful thinking from the idiot brigade.

Looks like he is only the “star” in one of the movies, a sequel to Dumb and Dumber

62 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 6:40:32pm

re: #58 Gus

As it is written, so shall it be done.

63 JeffFX  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 6:41:02pm

re: #47 Charles Johnson

Greg Gutfeld loses it:

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Hilarious to see anyone on Fox call someone else a tool. No self-awareness at all.

64 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 6:41:54pm

re: #51 Amory Blaine

Yeah the credit is only good for another 2k game. It should be good for Borderlands II. Would be good discount if that game went on sale again.

Think I’m just gonna wait til midnight, then watch the game streams to see the first couple hours.

65 SpaceJesus  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 6:43:43pm

Freep:

To: servo1969

Denigrating traditional Americans and gun owning Americans is the new racism.

We’re portrayed as being sub-human by the media and that’s all ok.

29 posted on Monday, March 25, 2013 7:34:46 PM by Aglooka (“I was out numbered 5-to-1, I got 4.”)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

66 Kragar  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 6:44:01pm

So much promise, so much disappoint.

WWZ trailer 2

Youtube Video
67 Amory Blaine  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 6:44:43pm

I already bit. :p Pretty much all the “reviews” are great, but I’ve been burned by that before. Oh well wanted to try X com anyways and if Borderlands goes on sale, it’ll keep me busy for a while.

68 BongCrodny  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 6:46:21pm

re: #65 SpaceJesus

Freep:

I know a lot of people up here who own guns. I don’t think any of them are nuts.

The guys equating gun regulations with ‘tyrannyofthesocialiststate,” that’s another story.

69 Stanley Sea  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 6:46:33pm

re: #65 SpaceJesus

Pitiful losers

70 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 6:47:31pm

re: #67 Amory Blaine

I already bit. :p Pretty much all the “reviews” are great, but I’ve been burned by that before. Oh well wanted to try X com anyways and if Borderlands goes on sale, it’ll keep me busy for a while.

Not a bad deal if I didn’t already own XCOM, but I think I’ll just hold off. Hell, I still have to finish Far Cry 3.

71 Gus  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 6:47:54pm

Here’s the Tweet that set them off:

72 Amory Blaine  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 6:49:00pm

I really liked the new Tomb Raider. Too short and on rails, but the story gameplay and graphics are fantastic.

73 Stanley Sea  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 6:52:53pm

re: #71 Gus


Only the devils true devotees could profiteer from pain and fear

74 Kragar  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 6:54:53pm

University of North Carolina student: Administrator told me ‘rape is like football’

Two of the women who filed a federal complaint against the University of North Carolina spoke out against the school’s alleged mishandling of sexual assault cases Monday night on CNN.

“She told me rape is like football, and if you look back on the game what would you have done differently in that situation?” said Annie Clark, describing a school administrator’s response to her sexual assault. Clark said she “absolutely” felt like she was being blamed for the crime against her.

Another student of the university, Andrea Pino, told CNN that school officials accused her of laziness after she reported lasting trauma from being raped.

75 dragonath  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 6:55:18pm

Charlton Heston did a lot of cool things when he was younger. He kind of flipped out, Al Capp style.

Jim Carrey is a good actor in films of wildly variable quality. I mean, it seems like every Eternal Sunshine is followed up by some Dr. Seuss desecration.

76 Amory Blaine  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 6:55:39pm

Even without harsh language, any appeal for regulation gets the same hateful reaction.

77 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 6:55:49pm

re: #8 Political Atheist

Just not down with mocking the dead like that. Jim, is this really the best ya got for the cause? Really? Stay classy.

Agreed.

78 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 7:00:43pm

re: #76 Amory Blaine

Even without harsh language, any appeal for regulation gets the same hateful reaction.

Not from everybody. I’m for heavily regulating handguns, placing them under the National Firearms Act. What I’m not for is painting every gun store owner and manufacturer as a devotee of the devil. I’m sorry, but that strikes me as simply ridiculous, the kind of deeply helpful rhetoric usually employed by the Westboro Baptists.

79 Stanley Sea  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 7:05:24pm

re: #78 goddamnedfrank

Not from everybody. I’m for heavily regulating handguns, placing them under the National Firearms Act. What I’m not for is painting every gun store owner and manufacturer as a devotee of the devil. I’m sorry, but that strikes me as simply ridiculous, the kind of deeply helpful rhetoric usually employed by the Westboro Baptists.

My pipe dream: A lucrative amnesty for hand guns, and I mean lucrative. Then fingerprint/high tech gun. Only owner can fire. Not thief of gun, or child of gun owner.

80 Gus  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 7:10:20pm

It’s kind of ironic that people are more concerned about the reputation of a man who has long since died being mocked in a “caricaturistic” manner in a small video on some corner of the internet which is mocking a gun culture that refuses to bend on gun control. A debate which began after the slaughter of 20 children in Newtown. A nation that has seen 2,244 deaths since Newtown. But no. Charlton Heston’s absent soul must not be insulted.

81 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 7:11:27pm

re: #79 Stanley Sea

My pipe dream: A lucrative amnesty for hand guns, and I mean lucrative. Then fingerprint/high tech gun. Only owner can fire. Not thief of gun, or child of gun owner.

That technology doesn’t really exist though. The magna trigger only works with Smith and Wesson revolvers and isn’t specific to the owner, any magnet will disengage the safety.

Anyway handguns are responsible for more than 80% of every type of firearms crime. Going through an extensive ATF background check and requiring a $200 tax stamp per transfer would go a long way towards cracking down on the real problem.

82 dragonath  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 7:14:20pm

re: #80 Gus

Charlton Heston parted the Red Sea. I’ve got it right here, in spectacular Technicolor!

83 Belafon  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 7:14:30pm

re: #78 goddamnedfrank

Show me where legislation is being based on gun store owners being devotees of the devil. All I ever see is legislation being written that makes any semblance of regulation seems as if it means the government is going to take your guns away.

84 Stanley Sea  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 7:15:21pm

re: #81 goddamnedfrank

That technology doesn’t really exist though. The magna trigger only works with Smith and Wesson revolvers and isn’t specific to the owner, any magnet will disengage the safety.

Anyway handguns are responsible for more than 80% of every type of firearms crime. Going through an extensive ATF background check and requiring a $200 tax stamp per transfer would go a long way towards cracking down on the real problem.

To get them off the streets though, it’s worth it to pay. Enough that they will turn them in.

85 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 7:15:53pm

“And especially for you, Mr. Gore: from my cold dead hands.”

Youtube Video
86 Stanley Sea  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 7:15:54pm

re: #73 Stanley Sea

Only the devils true devotees could profiteer from pain and fear

87 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 7:16:49pm

re: #81 goddamnedfrank

That technology doesn’t really exist though. The magna trigger only works with Smith and Wesson revolvers and isn’t specific to the owner, any magnet will disengage the safety.

Anyway handguns are responsible for more than 80% of every type of firearms crime. Going through an extensive ATF background check and requiring a $200 tax stamp per transfer would go a long way towards cracking down on the real problem.

I’d limit that to the kind of readily concealable handguns most often used for crimes. Those could only be sold to those who had a valid CCW.

I’d accept listing them in a similar category to “Any Other Weapon” (AOW), though perhaps with a somewhat larger tax (say, $20-50). But that would include a “shall sign-off” provision whereby the local chief law enforcement officer (CLEO) would be required to sign off on the purchase of a handgun unless he supplied an affirmative reason why the specific person should be denied (and I’d put in a process for appealing that).

88 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 7:18:07pm

re: #84 Stanley Sea

To get them off the streets though, it’s worth it to pay. Enough that they will turn them in.

You can’t pay many of the gangs enough, because those guns are a critical part of the tools of their drug trade.

89 Gus  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 7:18:34pm
90 Political Atheist  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 7:18:34pm

re: #78 goddamnedfrank

What I’m not for is painting every gun store owner and manufacturer as a devotee of the devil. I’m sorry, but that strikes me as simply ridiculous, the kind of deeply helpful rhetoric usually employed by the Westboro Baptists.

This.

91 Gus  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 7:18:52pm
92 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 7:19:44pm

Fact: Charlton Heston set the course for today’s deranged conspiracy-oriented NRA, with paranoid speeches like the one above.

93 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 7:21:15pm

re: #85 Charles Johnson

“And especially for you, Mr. Gore: from my cold dead hands.”

[Embedded content]

The man could give a speech, it’s a fact. Still good stuff, even years later.

94 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 7:21:44pm

*facepalm*

95 dragonath  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 7:22:11pm

re: #93 Dark_Falcon

The man could give a speech, it’s a fact. Still good stuff, even years later.

You know who else could give a good speech…?

heh

96 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 7:22:23pm

re: #87 Dark_Falcon

I’d limit that to the kind of readily concealable handguns most often used for crimes. Those could only be sold to those who had a valid CCW.

I’d accept listing them in a similar category to “Any Other Weapon” (AOW), though perhaps with a somewhat larger tax (say, $20-50). But that would include a “shall sign-off” provision whereby the local chief law enforcement officer (CLEO) would be required to sign off on the purchase of a handgun unless he supplied an affirmative reason why the specific person should be denied (and I’d put in a process for appealing that).

If you want a handgun $200 isn’t that much extra to pay for it, and the CLEO signoff can always be averted by having the weapon be purchased and owned by a trust or corporation. The only exception I might make would be for specifically listed target models, but probably not even then. In addition to being a barrier the tax would raise the level of quality overall, nobody’s going to pay a $200 transfer on a cheap saturday night special.

When the NFA first went into effect the $200 tax stamp was equivalent to more than $3K in today’s dollars.

97 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 7:23:44pm

re: #95 dragonath

You know who else could give a good speech…?

heh

FDR, Churchill, JFK… [smiles]

98 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 7:24:42pm

re: #83 Belafon

Show me where legislation is being based on gun store owners being devotees of the devil. All I ever see is legislation being written that makes any semblance of regulation seems as if it means the government is going to take your guns away.

Wasn’t talking about legislation.

But you knew that.

99 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 7:29:44pm

re: #96 goddamnedfrank

If you want a handgun $200 isn’t that much extra to pay for it, and the CLEO signoff can always be averted by having the weapon be purchased and owned by a trust or corporation. The only exception I might make would be for specifically listed target models, but probably not even then. In addition to being a barrier the tax would raise the level of quality overall, nobody’s going to pay a $200 transfer on a cheap saturday night special.

When the NFA first went into effect the $200 tax stamp was equivalent to more than $3K in todays dollars.

The alteration of the CLEO procedure is intended to ensure that the law would be less seen as trying to disarm those who are not criminals. It is also intended to improve the law’s chance of surviving court scrutiny under the Heller decision.

100 Gus  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 7:29:55pm
Cold dead hand, cold dead hand
Cold dead hand, cold dead hand
You’re a big dick man with a little bitty gland
so you need something bigger with a hairpin trigger.
You don’t wanna get caught with your trousers down
when a psycho killer comes around
So you make your home like a thunderdome
and you’re always packing everywhere you roam
but the psychos will no matter what you do
they’re gonna buy way more guns than you
And while you’re stumblin’ now to bed
They put five rounds in the back of your hair
and you get depressed [inaudible at ~5:00]
and you put your own shotgun in your mouth
And your kids walk in and they find you there
Like a headless lump in your underwear
And they move the gun and it kills them too
And your wife just doesn’t know what to do
So she takes a hand grenade from her shoe
And she pulls the pin

And it’s all on you, and your cold dead hand

101 palomino  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 7:31:21pm

re: #8 Political Atheist

Just not down with mocking the dead like that. Jim, is this really the best ya got for the cause? Really? Stay classy.

Heston didn’t die yesterday. Are we never supposed to make fun of people who lived and then—like everyone else—eventually died? Or do we just have to wait a certain amount of time before it’s OK?

Heston had a good long life. This is mockery of his ideas, not the fact that he died at 90+.

102 Gus  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 7:32:11pm

Oh look. Vdare has a sad.

Trolling or Transformation?—CPAC, Matt Heimbach, Scott Terry, And The End Of Conservatism Inc.
By James Kirkpatrick on March 23, 2013 at 11:31pm

Daily Kos played guilt by association, trying to link the duo to Rick Santorum’s group “Patriot Voices” because of a sticker Terry was wearing. Author “eades” sneered that “conservatives at CPAC” are, after all, just a bunch of “rampaging bigots.” Of course, the likes of Little Green Footballs and Andrew Sullivan quickly adopted Heimbach and Terry as the face of the conference. [An African-American CPAC Can Embrace, AndrewSullivan.com, March 15, 2013.]

103 Gus  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 7:33:13pm

Well, some of that contains links to Vdare.

104 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 7:34:07pm

re: #100 Gus

Actually those lyrics are more sophisticated than the presentation. Kind of profound.

105 Gus  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 7:34:11pm

Fix ed.

106 Gus  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 7:34:48pm

re: #104 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

Actually those lyrics are more sophisticated than the presentation. Kind of profound.

Yes. I was listening to it the first time and thinking to myself, “my God this is pretty intense shit.”

107 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 7:35:23pm

re: #99 Dark_Falcon

The alteration of the CLEO procedure is intended to ensure that the law would be less seen as trying to disarm those who are not criminals. It is also intended to improve the law’s chance of surviving court scrutiny under the Heller decision.

The signoff should probably be replaced by requiring what California calls a Certificate of Eligibility, which was the entire purpose of the signoff to begin with. The situation as it stands now is a pretty blatant equal protection clause violation.

108 palomino  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 7:36:37pm

re: #93 Dark_Falcon

The man could give a speech, it’s a fact. Still good stuff, even years later.

Sure, if by “good”, you actually mean extremist demagoguery and peddling the fantasy of going back to the Wild Wild West. Heston was a right wing fanatic, his NRA gig just the most glaring example.

109 Gus  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 7:36:49pm

(1/2)

MAN 1: Why did the ventriloquist quit drinking?

MAN 2: Cause he acted like a real dummy.

HOST: Well hi-oh and howdy fine folks; welcome back to “Hee Haw.” We want to thank our special guest Charlton Heston (Jim Carrey) for joining us.

JIM CARREY (AS HESTON): Walter, It’s an absolute pleasure to be here in this site of God on “Hee Haw,” but who would be laughing if it weren’t for the patriots who answer the call of freedom …

HOST: Well I….

JIM CARREY (AS HESTON): The aliens, they would exploit our every weakness and suck the brains out of every living soul. They’d be laughing, but not like you and me. They’d go: [makes alien noises]

HOST: Well, we wanna leave you with the sweet as molasses sounds of a band I’m sure you’re all gonna like. Hens and roosters, lend an ear to Lonesome Earl and the Clutterbusters.

[Music begins].

JIM CARREY (AS EARL): Some folks ride like the wind
when the whisping pines do guide them,
and the burning light inside them
leaves them warm in the snow.

Others fear the sounds they hear,
make banditos out of mole hills,
fill their hearts with porcupine quills;
they’re dead and buried long before they go.

Charlton Heston movies are no longer in demand,
and his immortal soul may lay forever in the sand.
The angels wouldn’t take him up to heaven like he planned
’cause they couldn’t pry that gun from his cold dead hand.

JIM CARREY (AS HESTON): What did he say.

JIM CARREY (AS EARL): It takes a cold dead hand to decide to pull the trigger.
takes a cold dead heart, and as near as I can figure
with your cold dead aim you’re trying to prove your dick is bigger,
but we know: your chariot may not be swingin’ low.

Cold dead hand, cold dead hand
Cold dead hand, cold dead hand
You’re a big dick man with a little bitty gland
so you need something bigger just to fill your cold dead hand

JIM CARREY (AS HESTON): They’re making fun of everything I hold dear

JIM CARREY (AS EARL): Imagine if the Lord were here
and he knew what you’ve been thinkin’
would his sacred heart be sinkin’
into the canyon of dismay?

And on the ones who sell the guns
he’d stick the vultures and coyotes.
Only the devil’s true devotees
could profiteer from pain and fear.

Charlton Heston movies are no longer in demand,
and his immortal soul may lay forever in the sand.
The angels wouldn’t take him up to heaven like he planned
’cause they couldn’t pry that gun from his cold dead hand.

It takes a cold dead hand to decide to pull the trigger.
takes a cold dead heart, and as near as I can figure
with your cold dead aim you’re trying to prove your dick is bigger,
but we know: your chariot may not be swingin’ low.

Thanks Twitchy!

110 Gus  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 7:37:04pm

(2/2)

JIM CARREY (AS ELLIOT): Hi, I’m Clearly Sam Elliot. Pay attention now braves, this boy’s got something to say, budding social satire; you couldn’t stand smooth. Enjoy the show. I’m a watch that sunset.

JIM CARREY (AS EARL): Cold dead hand, cold dead hand
Cold dead hand, cold dead hand
You’re a big dick man with a little bitty gland
so you need something bigger with a hairpin trigger.
You don’t wanna get caught with your trousers down
when a psycho killer comes around
So you make your home like a thunderdome
and you’re always packing everywhere you roam
but the psychos will no matter what you do
they’re gonna buy way more guns than you
And while you’re stumblin’ now to bed
They put five rounds in the back of your hair
and you get depressed [inaudible at ~5:00]
and you put your own shotgun in your mouth
And your kids walk in and they find you there
Like a headless lump in your underwear
And they move the gun and it kills them too
And your wife just doesn’t know what to do
So she takes a hand grenade from her shoe
And she pulls the pin

And it’s all on you, and your cold dead hand

[shotgun blast]

GIRL 1: Well what in the heck was that?

JIM CARREY (AS HESTON): I accidentally shot my foot off.

GIRL 2: Awww shoot. [crowd laughter]

Laughter.

111 palomino  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 7:39:15pm

re: #110 Gus

(2/2)

Hilarious. Carrey sounds like a cross between Toby Keith and Ted Nugent, but with about 20 more IQ points than either of those reactionaries.

112 Kragar  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 7:42:05pm

So, I’ve just been “hired” as a creative consultant for an indie film, salary TBD as they get funding.

113 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 7:43:28pm

re: #112 Kragar (Antichrist )

So, I’ve just been “hired” as a creative consultant for an indie film, salary TBD as they get funding.

Beer and a donut.

My kid’s wife edited indie films in Vancouver.

114 Political Atheist  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 7:43:44pm

re: #96 goddamnedfrank

I got one flinch on that $200. Those people who have a legitimate threat and are of humble means.

115 Gus  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 7:44:03pm

re: #102 Gus

Oh look. Vdare has a sad.

Trolling or Transformation?—CPAC, Matt Heimbach, Scott Terry, And The End Of Conservatism Inc.
By James Kirkpatrick on March 23, 2013 at 11:31pm

…

Today, Twitter and the internet were abuzz about some questions and comments delivered by a participant at CPAC during a session sponsored by Tea Party Patriots called “Trump The Race Card: Are You Sick And Tired Of Being Called A Racist When You Know You’re Not One?”

116 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 7:45:41pm

re: #108 palomino

Heston was a right wing fanatic, his NRA gig just the most glaring example.

He was a complex dude. Supported and attended the 1963 civil rights March on Washington and wrote in favor of the 1968 gun control act. Like a lot of people he did some regrettable shit in his old age.

117 Gus  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 7:46:49pm
118 Kragar  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 7:50:11pm

re: #117 Gus

“Who framed Roger’s Rabbi?”

119 efuseakay  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 7:50:41pm

He shoulda done this as Vera de Milo.

120 Gus  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 7:51:24pm

re: #119 efuseakay

He shoulda done this as Vera de Milo.

Verrrrrra.

121 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 7:51:24pm

re: #107 goddamnedfrank

The signoff should probably be replaced by requiring what California calls a Certificate of Eligibility, which was the entire purpose of the signoff to begin with. The situation as it stands now is a pretty blatant equal protection clause violation.

That’s fine, as long as that certificate cannot be denied for arbitrary reasons.

122 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 7:52:50pm

Charlton Heston:

The Constitution was handed down to guide us by a bunch of wise old dead white guys who invented our country! Now some flinch when I say that. Why! Its true-they were white guys! So were most of the guys that died in Lincoln’s name opposing slavery in the 1860′s. So why should I be ashamed of white guys? Why is “Hispanic Pride” or “Black Pride” a good thing, while “White Pride” conjures shaven heads and white hoods? Why was the Million Man March on Washington celebrated by many as progress, while the Promise Keepers March on Washington was greeted with suspicion and ridicule? I’ll tell you why, Cultural warfare!

You don’t see other Hollywood luminaries speaking out on this do you? Its not because there aren’t any. Its because they can’t afford the heat! They dare not speak for fear of CNN or the IRS or the SAG or NBC! It saps the strength of our country when the personal price is simply too high to stand for what you believe in. Today, speaking with the courage of your convictions can be costly, the price of principal can be so high that legislators won’t lead and citizens can’t follow, and so there is no arm to fight back. That’s cultural warfare!

Mainstream America is counting on you to “draw your sword” and fight for them. These people have precious little time and resources to battle misguided Cinderella attitudes, the fringe propaganda of the homosexual coalition, the feminists who preach that it is a divine duty for woman to hate men, blacks who raise a militant fist with one hand while they seek preference with the other, New Age apologists for juvenile crime who see roving gangs as a means to only the merchandising violence as a form of entertainment for impressionable minds, and gun bans as a means to only the Lord-knows-what. We have reached that point in time when our social policy originates on Oprah. Its time to pull the plug!

123 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 7:54:54pm

Whatever Charlton Heston may have done in his younger days, by the time he was head of the NRA he was a despicable racist.

124 Gus  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 7:55:23pm

re: #123 Charles Johnson

Whatever Charlton Heston may have done in his younger days, by the time he was head of the NRA he was a despicable racist.

Pretty much. Was thinking about pulling up his later chit.

125 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 7:56:20pm

re: #114 Political Atheist

I got one flinch on that $200. Those people who have a legitimate threat and are of humble means.

Those same people probably have a legitimate need for transportation, but the State’s still going to charge them for their vehicle registration, and they can always opt for a rifle or shotgun instead. Handguns are a problem, so I’m not going to be too motivated to help people buy one if it’s likely that they can’t even afford an appropriate safe.

126 palomino  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 7:58:22pm

re: #116 goddamnedfrank

He was a complex dude. Supported and attended the 1963 civil rights March on Washington and wrote in favor of the 1968 gun control act. Like a lot of people he did some regrettable shit in his old age.

You’re right, I forgot about him at the MLK speech, and the kind of person he was overall before I was born. My recollection of him doesn’t really start til the 80’s, by which point he’d gone pretty much over the RW edge.

Attending the MLK speech was actually a pretty gutsy thing to do at the time. He deserves credit. IIRC he attended the speech with Steve McQueen and Paul Newman and maybe some other Hollywood royalty from the era. There’s some great footage of these stars in the middle of the crowd in the full-length video of the speech and the rest of that day’s events.

He’s like the opposite of my dad, who was a far right winger most of his adult life, and then became a pro-feminist socialist after he retired.

127 AlexRogan  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 8:02:12pm

re: #93 Dark_Falcon

The man could give a speech, it’s a fact. Still good stuff, even years later.

Really, Dark? Really?

128 SpaceJesus  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 8:08:18pm

re: #122 Charles Johnson

blacks who raise a militant fist with one hand while they seek preference with the other

Charlton Heston, freep personified.

129 Mentis Fugit  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 8:08:58pm

re: #114 Political Atheist

I got one flinch on that $200. Those people who have a legitimate threat and are of humble means.

Obamaguns(TM)!!!

130 AlexRogan  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 8:10:05pm

re: #116 goddamnedfrank

He was a complex dude. Supported and attended the 1963 civil rights March on Washington and wrote in favor of the 1968 gun control act. Like a lot of people he did some regrettable shit in his old age.

Regrettable shit?

The man went full metal wingnut in the space of about 20 years or so, from being a somewhat of a liberal in favor of civil rights and gun control to revealing himself to be a raving, bigoted RWNJ that helped further turn the NRA from what was once primarily a gun safety and training org to the lobbying and PR arm of the American firearms industry, one that feeds and maintains its members’ paranoia to help sell more and more guns and ammo (not to mention more NRA memberships).

131 Belafon  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 8:11:09pm

re: #98 goddamnedfrank

Here’s the quote:

What I’m not for is painting every gun store owner and manufacturer as a devotee of the devil.

I have seen very little in the way of people going after gun store owners. No, you didn’t mention legislation. I did, because the only thing I could think of that involved store owners were proposed laws. I haven’t seen a store protested or burned.

As for manufacturers, they are devotees of Mammon, not the devil.

132 jaunte  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 8:17:46pm
Mainstream America is counting on you to “draw your sword” and fight for them. These people have precious little time and resources to battle misguided Cinderella attitudes, the fringe propaganda of the homosexual coalition, the feminists who preach that it is a divine duty for woman to hate men, blacks who raise a militant fist with one hand while they seek preference with the other, New Age apologists for juvenile crime who see roving gangs as a means to only the merchandising violence as a form of entertainment for impressionable minds, and gun bans as a means to only the Lord-knows-what.

That’s some authentic Ron Paul Newsletter gibberish.

133 Gus  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 8:19:49pm
134 Gus  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 8:22:06pm
135 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 8:22:17pm

re: #133 Gus

I like this one.

136 Gus  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 8:23:00pm

re: #135 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

I like this one.

James Carville

137 Political Atheist  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 8:26:08pm

Congratulations Mr Carrey, you just granted the far right ammunition for a wonderful fund raising opportunity to the very people you oppose. Why should I believe you gave this any more thought than your anti vaxx advocacy? Did you think you were a helpful voice there too?

Too bad Americans for Responsible Solutions does not go viral like this. It just works the advocacy day to day.

138 Gus  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 8:27:28pm

re: #137 Political Atheist

Congratulations Mr Carrey, you just granted the far right ammunition for a wonderful fund raising opportunity to the very people you oppose. Why should I believe you gave this any more thought than your anti vaxx advocacy? Did you think you were a helpful voice there too?

Too bad Americans for Responsible Solutions does not go viral like this. It just works the advocacy day to day.

So Charlton Heston is more important than the 2,400 people that have died since Newtown?

139 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 8:27:34pm

re: #131 Belafon

Here’s the quote:

I have seen very little in the way of people going after gun store owners. No, you didn’t mention legislation. I did, because the only thing I could think of that involved store owners were proposed laws. I haven’t seen a store protested or burned.

As for manufacturers, they are devotees of Mammon, not the devil.

The song in the video pretty clearly states that Heston wasn’t going to heaven, which is the kind of speculation I was talking about. And this:

re: #73 Stanley Sea

Only the devils true devotees could profiteer from pain and fear

I’m saying that this kind of rhetoric is usually reserved for use by right wing fanatics, as is painting the opposition as impotent and filled with rage. It’s trite, useless, uninteresting in my opinion, as is cutesy shit subbing in the name Mammon. I’m not motivated when right wingers engage in this style of moralistic, cheap ad hominem.

140 Political Atheist  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 8:30:42pm

re: #138 Gus

Not what I said. This is a backfire.

141 Gus  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 8:32:24pm

re: #140 Political Atheist

Not what I said. This is a backfire.

What backfire? Just a satirical video on Funny or Die.

142 Gus  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 8:32:39pm

Game changer!

143 Political Atheist  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 8:34:44pm

re: #141 Gus

I think this video will make the other side real money to fight with. Opinions on the likely result will vary of course.

144 Kragar  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 8:37:49pm

re: #143 Political Atheist

I think this video will make the other side real money to fight with. Opinions on the likely result will vary of course.

They make everything into a fund raiser. If it wasn’t this, they’d find something else to get outraged about.

145 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 8:38:17pm

re: #137 Political Atheist

Congratulations Mr Carrey, you just granted the far right ammunition for a wonderful fund raising opportunity to the very people you oppose. Why should I believe you gave this any more thought than your anti vaxx advocacy? Did you think you were a helpful voice there too?

Too bad Americans for Responsible Solutions does not go viral like this. It just works the advocacy day to day.

It’s nothing new for Fire Marshal Bill to burn himself “trying to do good”:

Youtube Video
146 dragonath  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 8:39:23pm

re: #143 Political Atheist

I think this video will make the other side real money to fight with. Opinions on the likely result will vary of course.

The gun lobby will get outraged and find fundraising opportunities even if Obama sneezed. If all things were equal, liberals would have a never ending source of income based on the actual, scandalous things Breitbart runs daily.

147 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 8:39:50pm

re: #144 Kragar (Antichrist )

They make everything into a fund raiser. If it wasn’t this, they’d find something else to get outraged about.

Both sides make everything into a fund-raiser. Heck, Obama’s got that down to a science. Politicing costs a large amount of money, you know.

148 aagcobb  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 8:44:31pm

My favorite subtle little jab at the “pry it from my cold dead fingers” meme is in this trashy film that’s a guilty pleasure of mine which I always thought of as an anti-war movie masquerading as a “fuck yeah Murica!” movie.

Youtube Video
149 Gus  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 8:45:56pm

So in keeping with right wing paranoia, Jim Carrey has magical powers that will take away your guns. Please give to the idiot seed formally known as the NRA to prevent the super powered power ranger Jim Carrey that will take away “yer gunz!” because of a satirical video on Funny or Die. Got it.

150 dragonath  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 8:47:05pm

Can’t people tell the difference between a hokey satire and baseless libel?

151 Gus  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 8:47:24pm

I spent 15 minutes on the phone with the NRA back when I was a wingnut. I thought it was crazy even back then. I just kept saying, “uh huh.”

152 SpaceJesus  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 8:49:15pm

cnn front page

153 Political Atheist  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 8:49:16pm

re: #149 Gus

I don’t like this any more than you. The weird phenomenon of the popular rallying cries that catch on or not shows our dysfunctional side. It sucks.

154 Kragar  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 8:49:24pm

re: #150 dragonath

Can’t people tell the difference between a hokey satire and baseless libel?

From the same folks who think Rush is a master of satire.

155 SpaceJesus  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 8:50:00pm

re: #151 Gus

wingnut?

156 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 8:50:15pm

re: #149 Gus

So in keeping with right wing paranoia, Jim Carrey has magical powers that will take away your guns. Please give to the idiot seed formally known as the NRA to prevent the super powered power ranger Jim Carrey that will take away “yer gunz!” because of a satirical video on Funny or Die. Got it.

It’s Carrey’s publicly vocied anti-vaxxer positions that are the killer app. He gave voice to some truly idiotic DERPs. The NRA should just counter Carrey with that, to remind people of his poor relationship with science and facts.

157 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 8:50:19pm

Oh my god.

For once the paranoia-mongering fundraising materials and robo-calls will reference an actual case of someone mocking guns.

It’s a game changer. Totally different than the every-day-ending-with-a-y outrage and offense that is used to raise money.

Look at what Jim Carrey made them do!

Also, let’s pretend that Chuck Heston didn’t end his life as a paleo-conservative nutbag that any sane person wouldn’t want to enshrine as a model for firearm ownership, what with the race-baiting, antifederalist paranoid rants, and cloaking oneself in “I’m a poor oppressed white Christian male, why don’t you love my Promise Keeper vow to keep inserting myself into your life decisions because my privilege is Jeebus endorsed?”

Also, Jim Carrey largely sucks.

158 Gus  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 8:50:28pm

re: #153 Political Atheist

I don’t like this any more than you. The weird phenomenon of the popular rallying cries that catch on or not shows our dysfunctional side. It sucks.

Pfft. It’s stupid. The right is getting all stupid once again. And you know what? Jim Carrey is an anti-vaxxer nutcase but you know what? He’s right here.

159 dragonath  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 8:52:09pm

re: #156 Dark_Falcon

It’s Carrey’s publicly vocied anti-vaxxer positions that are the killer app. He gave voice to some truly idiotic DERPs. The NRA should just counter Carrey with that, to remind people of his poor relationship with science and facts.

Hell, I’d wager half of the people who agree with the NRA are already anti-vaccine. NRO hero Phyllis Schlafy, for one.

160 Gus  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 8:52:31pm

Gun nuts care more about Charlton Heston’s rep than they do about people getting shot in the freaking face. Whether by accident or deliberately. Heston is dead. Been dead for a while now. Heston is a straw man.

161 dragonath  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 8:56:58pm

AL GOOOOOOOOOOOOREEEE

162 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 8:58:12pm

re: #159 dragonath

Hell, I’d wager half of the people who agree with the NRA are already anti-vaccine. NRO hero Phyllis Schlafy, for one.

You’d likely lose that bet. I’d wager its a long way less than half, and I don’t think they’ll get too annoyed if that kind of side-cause has to get scorched to klunk an annoying critic.

163 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 8:59:21pm

re: #152 SpaceJesus

cnn front page

oh, good freakin’ grief. They really are trying to out-derp Fox…

164 austin_blue  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 9:00:20pm

So, I guess the question is, was Carrey wrong, or was he spot on with his video?

Seems to me the reaction from the mouth breathers says he made a palpable hit.

165 palomino  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 9:00:34pm

re: #162 Dark_Falcon

You’d likely lose that bet. I’d wager its a long way less than half, and I don’t think they’ll get too annoyed if that kind of side-cause has to get scorched to klunk an annoying critic.

Yes, all who dare disrespect Mr. Heston must be “klunked.”

166 dragonath  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 9:00:47pm

re: #162 Dark_Falcon

Wait, you’re saying that going after Jim Carrey is more important than the vaccination issue? But you’re going to attack him on that anyway?

167 Gus  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 9:02:55pm

Gun control is teh new racism!

//

168 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 9:03:02pm

But Jim Carrey is not vile in his piece. This next ad from Ford is utterly vile:

Image: article-0-18E232F0000005DC-138_634x463.jpg

Yes, the man depicted is Silvio Berlusconi of Italy.

Here’s the full article. (Warning: Full article contains Kardashians.)

169 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 9:03:54pm

re: #166 dragonath

Wait, you’re saying that going after Jim Carrey is more important than the vaccination issue? But you’re going to attack him on that anyway?

No, I’m saying that Carrey being wrong on vaccines can be used against him.

170 SpaceJesus  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 9:04:13pm

St Heston has been desecrated, issue forth a derpwa

171 Gus  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 9:04:44pm

re: #169 Dark_Falcon

No, I’m saying that Carrey being wrong on vaccines can be used against him.

And? You ever check on what the majority of Republicans think? Talk about a world of derp.

172 austin_blue  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 9:05:00pm

Oh, and Soylent Green is people.

173 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 9:05:31pm

re: #164 austin_blue

Seems to me the reaction from the mouth breathers says he made a palpable hit.

All I’m saying is, it’s like getting a palpable hit on the hemophiliac Tsarevich Prince Alexei.

It’s above and beyond “getting offended.” We’re talking about folks that see a grand conspiracy that they have to acquire (more) weapons to fend off every time someone disagrees with them.

175 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 9:06:42pm

re: #169 Dark_Falcon

No, I’m saying that Carrey being wrong on vaccines can be used against him.

This is the post-Heston era. The only valid criticism involve socialism and tyranny.

and black people

176 Gus  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 9:06:50pm

He’s a “scientist” too. Derp. Da Biable.

177 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 9:07:21pm

re: #171 Gus

And? You ever check on what the majority of Republicans think? Talk about a world of derp.

Anti-vaxxers are found in both parties, but in neither one do they constitute a majority.

178 Gus  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 9:07:36pm

Praise Jesus.

179 SpaceJesus  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 9:07:57pm

re: #177 Dark_Falcon

they do in the libertarian party

180 dragonath  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 9:07:58pm

re: #172 austin_blue

Oh, and Soylent Green is people.

The NRA’s been living off Soylent Heston for at least 10 years

181 Gus  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 9:07:58pm

re: #177 Dark_Falcon

Anti-vaxxers are found in both parties, but in neither one do they constitute a majority.

Meh. Republicans are mostly nut cases. That’s a fact.

182 Gus  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 9:08:39pm

Right wingers own the nut case POV.

183 Gus  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 9:09:20pm

They think the Earth is 5,000 years old.

184 Gus  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 9:09:52pm

They think Marxists and homosexuals are taking over the universe.

185 Gus  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 9:10:32pm

They think “librul JUICE” are the worst thing since Communism!

186 dragonath  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 9:10:36pm

I’m supposed to believe people fighting against birth control accept the science behind vaccination? Really?

187 Gus  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 9:10:58pm

Face the facts man. Your side is a LOST. CAUSE.

188 Gus  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 9:11:25pm

The right wing is basically the JBS today.

189 Gus  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 9:11:51pm

The pro-gun lobby is a bunch of paranoid, right wing, idjits.

190 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 9:12:12pm

re: #164 austin_blue

So, I guess the question is, was Carrey wrong, or was he spot on with his video?

Seems to me the reaction from the mouth breathers says he made a palpable hit.

Whatever it is, it isn’t satire. Satire has an aim to offer the target an opportunity for reflection and reform.

Imagine if the Lord were here
and he knew what you’ve been thinkin’
would his sacred heart be sinkin’
into the canyon of dismay?

And on the ones who sell the guns
he’d stick the vultures and coyotes.
Only the devil’s true devotees
could profiteer from pain and fear.

It’s not really sarcasm either, at least by most definitions, as it’s earnest, without irony and being the polar opposite of understatement.

It’s hyperbolic backbiting and derision for sure, so there’s that I guess.

191 Gus  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 9:12:49pm

They’re dumb. I don’t do IQs but damn. These people have to be the dumbest shits on the planet.

192 Political Atheist  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 9:13:02pm

Good Night good Lizards.

193 SpaceJesus  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 9:13:40pm

he’s dead, jim

194 Thundermother(it will turn your head around)  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 9:14:16pm

I can’t keep up. I’m pretty sure I had something to say about living amongst people who love their hunting vs. gun nuts, but by the time I lay it out there it’s long gone.

195 SpaceJesus  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 9:15:16pm

a real man hunts with his hands and perhaps a rock

196 CuriousLurker  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 9:15:47pm

An interesting article written by a conservative:

Why A Conservative Supports Gay Marriage In The SCOTUS Debate

With gay marriage being argued in front of the Supreme Court this week, conservatives find themselves at a crossroads, which has the potential to rock the left. By embracing same-sex marriage, conservatives can for once, define for themselves what it truly means to be a conservative instead of having the left do it for them.

Embracing gay marriage should not be a difficult position for conservatives to take if they truly are for limited government, stricter adherence to the Constitution, and the belief that all men are created equal. However, many conservatives are split on this issue and do not agree with this point of view.

There are several key arguments many conservatives have made against same-sex marriage. They include the religious argument, the libertarian argument, the federalist argument, and the slippery slope argument. […]

And with that I bid you a ll a good night.

197 Gus  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 9:15:50pm

An example…

Youtube Video
198 Gus  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 9:17:56pm

A crystal ball. LOL Stupid Michael Savage.

199 Gus  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 9:19:01pm

LOL Savage promotes Pravda. Right wingers are awesome.

200 Gus  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 9:19:39pm

Republicans = JBS

201 Gus  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 9:19:52pm

Conservatism = JBS

202 Gus  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 9:20:11pm

Conservatives have lost their freaking minds.

203 Gus  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 9:20:28pm

Pro-gun people have lost their freaking minds.

204 Gus  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 9:20:40pm

People on the right have lost their minds.

205 Gus  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 9:21:12pm

Get. Help.

206 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 9:21:44pm

re: #195 SpaceJesus

a real man hunts with his hands and perhaps a rock

Essentially this means a real man risks having the game animal suffer greatly so he can prove how strong he is.

207 SpaceJesus  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 9:23:57pm

re: #206 goddamnedfrank

it also has a much better chance of getting away and not getting killed at all

208 SpaceJesus  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 9:24:44pm

i’ve never felt so alive since the last time i karate chopped an ibex to death

209 Gus  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 9:25:53pm

If you spend the better part of the day listening to right wing talk radio, odds are, you have a mental problem.

210 Thundermother(it will turn your head around)  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 9:27:27pm

Actual hunters, not the dipshits who pose with their safari game, aren’t digging this bullshit. They’re well aware of what hunting is all about. Not what’s being sold.

211 dragonath  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 9:29:33pm

re: #194 Thundermother(it will turn your head around)

I can’t keep up. I’m pretty sure I had something to say about living amongst people who love their hunting vs. gun nuts, but by the time I lay it out there it’s long gone.

Charlton Heston might as well be the patron saint of deer farms and trophy hunting. The NRA, and the culture it represents, are undermining the moderate, environmentally conscious game hunter.

212 Gus  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 9:29:47pm
213 Gus  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 9:30:07pm
214 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 9:30:43pm

re: #207 SpaceJesus

it also has a much better chance of getting away and not getting killed at all

Much better to get your meat from a corporate feed lot, because we care so much about quality of life of the food we eat. We should also let deer overpopulation cause starvation die offs, because we care so very much.

At least you’re out in the open with this brand of ridiculous, not thought out at all absolutism.

215 Gus  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 9:30:58pm

Poor, poor, Charlton Heston.

216 Thundermother(it will turn your head around)  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 9:31:40pm

re: #211 dragonath

Yep. I fully agree. And I dont hunt.

217 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 9:32:14pm

re: #214 goddamnedfrank

Much better to get your meat from a corporate feed lot, because we care so much about quality of life of the food we eat. We should also let deer overpopulation cause starvation die offs, because we care so very much.

At least you’re out in the open with this brand of ridiculous, not thought out at all absolutism.

Thanks for fighting the good fight, Frank.

Goodnight, All.

218 dragonath  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 9:35:37pm

re: #206 goddamnedfrank

Essentially this means a real man risks having the game animal suffer greatly so he can prove how strong he is.

Not much different than a gun nut hunting with a semi-automatic and .223 ammo.

219 Gus  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 9:39:36pm

Bet it was really rough for Charlton Heston having to deal with his 6 year old son getting his head blown off in kindergarten.

220 dragonath  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 9:40:55pm

Meanwhile, in Bozell World

FLASHBACK – Charlton Heston: TR Hunted ‘With a Semi-Automatic Rifle’

221 dragonath  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 9:43:49pm

Teddy Roosevelt’s gun is technically the same as a Bushmaster! Bully!

222 Gus  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 9:43:53pm

re: #220 dragonath

Meanwhile, in Bozell World

FLASHBACK - Charlton Heston: TR Hunted ‘With a Semi-Automatic Rifle’

I’ll use a phrase that the right uses a lot. Charlton Heston. Stupid fucking actor.

223 SpaceJesus  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 9:44:02pm

re: #214 goddamnedfrank

the fact that you can’t tell that i’m joking around is pretty funny

224 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 9:50:15pm

re: #218 dragonath

Not much different than a gun nut hunting with a semi-automatic and .223 ammo.

By “not that much” you mean a 20+ times difference in energy delivered.

225 prairiefire  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 9:50:21pm

re: #223 SpaceJesus

the fact that you can’t tell that i’m joking around is pretty funny

Hey, SpaceJesus! Bless the dark stars, black holes, and shining Novas!

226 palomino  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 9:50:25pm

re: #217 Dark_Falcon

Thanks for fighting the good fight, Frank.

Goodnight, All.

The “good fight” for what? No universal background checks and no limits on magazine size? (That’s the most Congress is willing to pass, probably not even that much given the House Republicans.)

Does anyone really think 2nd Amendment rights will be shredded by background checks and magazine limits?

Or that Obama’s real goal is to disarm millions of Americans?

227 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 9:54:18pm

re: #226 palomino

The “good fight” for what? No universal background checks and no limits on magazine size? That’s the most Congress is willing to pass.

I’m in favor of both universal checks and a ten round mag limit. I have my doubts about mag limits doing much since reliability is inversely correlated to capacity, evidenced by the fact that Laughner’s second 30 round mag jammed once he got it in, but I live in California and comply with the state law.

228 Gus  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 9:55:10pm
FunnyOrDie Video
229 Gus  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 10:01:48pm

Right wingers hate everything.

230 bathos  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 10:10:02pm

It would have been funnier if he’d made fun of Ted Nugent instead of Heston. Kind of fell flat for me. Heston has been dead 5 years now!

231 dragonath  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 10:12:29pm

This is America. Let’s review:

Bushmaster gun? Overpowered caliber? Check!
Shooting animals in a game farm like fish in a barrel? Check!
Wearing camouflage in said game farm like a rube? Check!

Youtube Video

You know, things like this are why I can’t really bring myself to defend the pro-gun side much anymore.

232 Gus  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 10:14:32pm

This is freaking fantastic.

West Side Story 1961 - “I feel pretty”

Youtube Video
233 dragonath  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 10:25:03pm

Fuck, are there lots of videos of wanton animal killing on Youtube. It’s like watching fucking snuff films.

Why don’t people worry about that instead of worrying that their cause is being attacked because people are calling Charlton Heston out for being the reactionary maniac he was.

234 Gus  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 10:30:34pm

Trump Routs Out Obama’s Birth Certificate

FunnyOrDie Video
235 engineer cat  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 10:31:20pm

re: #232 Gus

This is freaking fantastic.

West Side Story 1961 - “I feel pretty”

[Embedded content]

it’s so much better than the countless renditions of the song that were heard on the radio in the decades after the movie came out

236 engineer cat  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 10:32:09pm

why ignatz, thank you for the lovely, um… rodent

237 Gus  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 10:36:03pm

re: #233 dragonath

Fuck, are there lots of videos of wanton animal killing on Youtube. It’s like watching fucking snuff films.

Why don’t people worry about that instead of worrying that their cause is being attacked because people are calling Charlton Heston out for being the reactionary maniac he was.

Right wingers want you to respect the dead white man actor Chartlon Heston more than respecting the black president because Heston showed up a civil right event but fuck Obama the Kenyan born president anyway or something. According to conservatives, Heston is more important than our president so shut the fuck up already! If you don’t agree I’ll run off and cry by going into a fetal position with mah gunz!

//

238 engineer cat  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 10:37:10pm

re: #195 SpaceJesus

a real man hunts with his hands and perhaps a rock

so you’re with me in my campaign to repeal the neolithic revolution?

239 freetoken  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 10:42:09pm

The Guardian is running with this story:

Creationist stakes $10,000 on contest between Bible and evolution

which is being referenced by other websites, though I have not been able to independently verify it. Yes, Mastropaolo is a well known creationist, but I’ve not seen any other source discussing this “trial”.

240 Gus  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 10:43:06pm

Garbage.

241 Kragar  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 10:50:48pm

re: #239 freetoken

The Guardian is running with this story:

Creationist stakes $10,000 on contest between Bible and evolution

which is being referenced by other websites, though I have not been able to independently verify it. Yes, Mastropaolo is a well known creationist, but I’ve not seen any other source discussing this “trial”.

Step 1) Establish the Bible is the 100% accurate word of God
Step 2) Science is a bunch of agenda driven commie BS

CREATION WINS!
///

242 engineer cat  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 11:11:53pm

õ

that’s a cute vowel

243 Kragar  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 11:21:48pm

re: #242 engineer cat

õ

that’s a cute vowel

Grammar humor will be severely pun-ished

244 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Mar 25, 2013 11:27:00pm

re: #243 Kragar (Antichrist )

Spanked is funishment, right?

245 freetoken  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 12:03:13am
MP3 Audio
246 freetoken  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 12:39:57am

I see that townhall.com has front-paged the latest PaleoPat article, the one in which he decries legal immigration from the “third world”.

Sometimes townhall hides the PaleoPat articles, but this one is front and center.

In it, as I mentioned earlier, PaleoPat describes the 20th century as the “dark ages” compared to earlier centuries of Christian Europe, because of teh ghey.

247 freetoken  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 12:46:06am
MP3 Audio
248 freetoken  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 1:27:02am
MP3 Audio
249 Tigger2  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 2:00:46am

Greg Gutfeld wouldn’t even make a good pimple on Carrey’s ass.

250 Amory Blaine  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 2:18:49am

No, the 2nd Amendment Does Not Authorize Armed Sedition

But the Founding Generation also knew their classical history, which was studded with examples of powerful Romans raising private armies to capture the government. When they wanted to abuse each other, the Founders invoked the name of Catiline, the bankrupt aristocrat prosecuted by Cicero for conspiracy against the state. This fear was so real that in 1807 the Jefferson administration indicted Jefferson’s own former vice president, Aaron Burr, of treason. The substance of the charge? Burr had raised a private army. The government charged that Burr was inciting rebellion in the western territories of the United States. Burr’s defenders insisted that he was merely planning to invade and conquer Mexican territory. Nobody - nobody! - suggested that the Second Amendment authorized Burr or anybody else to raise an army against Washington, DC, if Burr happened to feel oppressed.

251 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 2:22:06am

re: #250 Amory Blaine

No, the 2nd Amendment Does Not Authorize Armed Sedition

Taking back America from the socilists, gays, Mooslims and other athiestic ferigners who stole it from us is not sedition, it is out patriotic duty!

252 freetoken  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 2:26:29am
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253 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 2:28:46am

Predicted this would happen:

A Tucson gun store owner has decided to rescind the sale of a military-style rifle to Mark Kelly, the husband of former U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, after Kelly said he had intended the purchase to make a political point about how easy it is to obtain the kind of firearms he’s lobbying Congress to ban.

…

“While I support and respect Mark Kelly’s 2nd Amendment rights to purchase, possess, and use firearms in a safe and responsible manner, his recent statements to the media made it clear that his intent in purchasing the Sig Sauer M400 5.56mm rifle from us was for reasons other then for his personal use,” MacKinlay said in the statement.

He added that the store will return Kelly’s money, donate the rifle to the Arizona Tactical Officers Association to be raffled as a fundraiser and make an additional contribution of $1,295 — the value of the rifle — to the Eddie Eagle GunSafe Program.

254 Amory Blaine  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 2:32:11am

How can an arms dealer refuse a lawful transaction? Aren’t the buyers legal rights being violated?

255 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 2:35:47am

re: #253 goddamnedfrank

Predicted this would happen:

They can have that gun back when they pry it from Kelly’s cold, dead hands!!!

256 Amory Blaine  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 2:36:58am

Could an association of arms dealers licensed by the government decide it doesn’t want to sell to liberals for example?

257 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 2:44:05am

re: #256 Amory Blaine

Could an association of arms dealers licensed by the government decide it doesn’t want to sell to liberals for example?

They can charge them a higher price, since they know that liberals are not buying them for personal use, only to make a disparaging point against the proliferation of guns.

258 Amory Blaine  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 2:45:33am

It sounds kind of dangerous that private groups can restrict access to firearms of those they deem political opponents.

Group of Second Amendment-Supporting Gun Makers Now Refusing to Sell Arms to Law Enforcement in New York (And Other Gun-Restricting States)

259 freetoken  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 2:53:31am

re: #258 Amory Blaine

Guns for me but not for thee.

260 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 3:13:30am

re: #255 Sol Berdinowitz

They can have that gun back when they pry it from Kelly’s cold, dead hands!!!

Funny, but Kelly never took possession. Tucson law requires consignment guns to live in the shop for at least 20 days after arrival before they can be released. California requires 30 days.

261 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 3:23:48am

re: #254 Amory Blaine

How can an arms dealer refuse a lawful transaction? Aren’t the buyers legal rights being violated?

They’re only refusing the AR15 because Kelly voiced his intention to give it away before he even took possession of it. Anyway, as long as it isn’t on the basis of a protected status such as race, gender or religion any merchant can refuse service to an individual they don’t like.

262 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 4:32:15am

Remember, guns are not just tools or recreational devices: they are seen as a sacred symbol and guarantor of American Freedoms. Disparage or make fun of guns and/or gun owners at your own risk.

263 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 5:32:12am

re: #262 Sol Berdinowitz

I think part of it is the basic misunderstanding of statistics that most people have. It is very unlikely that any gun you buy will ever help you; it is more likely that gun will put you at risk. Yet the standard mythos of the gun and the gun-owner is that guns can be rendered safe and yet still be useful in crisis.

264 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 5:37:10am

re: #263 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

If you want to defend your home and family, then you need training and steady nerves.

If you think you are going to be able to take out an armed assailant in a crowded public place, one in which people are already terrified by the sound of gunfire or the sight of dead or injured, then you are going to need professional training and expericence, nerves of steel, sound judgement and clear situational awareness.

That is a skills set that does not come free with every gun registration permit.

265 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 5:48:23am

re: #264 Sol Berdinowitz

If you want to defend your home and family, then you need training and steady nerves.

And even then, you may fail. The gun won’t help you wake up from a deep sleep. The other guy may be armed. At the critical moment you may hesitate at actually killing another human being. Etc.

If you think you are going to be able to take out an armed assailant in a crowded public place, one in which people are already terrified by the sound of gunfire or the sight of dead or injured, then you are going to need professional training and expericence, nerves of steel, sound judgement and clear situational awareness.

You’ll need to be an above-average cop, basically, since even cops screw up in those circumstances a lot. It is a bizarre, bizarre fantasy. I understand the attraction as fantasy, I understand that those who have had the rare, rare, rare opportunity to intervene with a weapon in a situation and been successful will extrapolate from that event and that story will be carried around by others as proof, but the reality is that it is incredibly rare for a citizen with a gun to be useful to another citizen in his protection. It is far more likely for a citizen with a gun to murder another citizen.

266 aagcobb  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 6:00:41am

re: #250 Amory Blaine

No, the 2nd Amendment Does Not Authorize Armed Sedition

Exactly. Its right there in the Constitution that Congress can call up the militia to supress rebellion, which is precisely what George Washington did during the whiskey rebellion.

267 Interesting Times  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 6:05:44am

I think this may be the best headline that anyone has come up with, ever:

Human Stupidity Is Destroying the World

Six percent of Americans believe in unicorns. Thirty-six percent believe in UFOs. A whopping 24 percent believe dinosaurs and man hung out together. Eighteen percent still believe the sun revolves around the Earth. Nearly 30 percent believe cloud computing involves… actual clouds. A shockingly sad 18 percent, to this very day, believe the president is a Muslim. Aren’t they cute? And Floridian?
…
It is this bizarre, circular, catch-22 kind of question, asked almost exclusively by intellectual liberals because intellectual conservatives don’t actually exist, given how higher education leads to more developed critical thinking (you already know the vast majority of university professors and scientists identify as Democrat/progressive, right?) which leads straight to a more nimble, open-minded perspective. In short: The smarter you are, the less rigid/more liberal you become.

Until you get old. Or rich. And scared. And you forget. And you clamp down, seize up, fossilize. And the GOP grabs you like a mold.

268 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 6:11:23am

re: #196 CuriousLurker

An interesting article written by a conservative:

And with that I bid you a ll a good night.

An interesting article that advances the argument in rational terms. And then he closes with this:

If our republic is to stand, conservatives have to win elections. Without the support of the gay community and their supporters, we stand to lose against liberals in all of our conservative beliefs.

One of the major issues in a nutshell. Opposition constantly being cast as people who will destroy the country. And thus, how can you ever compromise on an issue with those intent on doing that?

269 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 6:14:48am

re: #242 engineer cat

õ

that’s a cute vowel

Is that the Donald Trump approved version of an “o”?

270 Political Atheist  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 6:22:31am

re: #264 Sol Berdinowitz

re: #265 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Umm, start with secure doors, locks, windows and an alarm or alert system. All of which is designed to wake you up in time to act appropriately. Run, gun, fire extinguisher or back to sleep after a false alert. Without those things you may as well sleep in a park. In those rare instances where a gun or a fire extinguisher are what you need, you may want to note that in both cases nothing else will do.

271 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 6:27:29am

re: #270 Political Atheist

re: #265 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Umm, start with secure doors, locks, windows and an alarm or alert system. All of which is designed to wake you up in time to act appropriately. Run, gun, fire extinguisher or back to sleep after a false alert. Without those things you may as well sleep in a park. In those rare instances where a gun or a fire extinguisher are what you need, you may want to note that in both cases nothing else will do.

Though in both cases escaping the house and notifying local emergency response is also a very valid option.

272 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 6:30:18am

re: #270 Political Atheist

re: #265 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Umm, start with secure doors, locks, windows and an alarm or alert system. All of which is designed to wake you up in time to act appropriately. Run, gun, fire extinguisher or back to sleep after a false alert. Without those things you may as well sleep in a park. In those rare instances where a gun or a fire extinguisher are what you need, you may want to note that in both cases nothing else will do.

I’m sorry, I’ve got no clue what your post has to do with mine. I agree that all those things can be helpful, but again, the statistics of gun ownership show that, unless you are in specific circumstances which the vast majority of people owning a gun aren’t, having a gun is more dangerous than not having a gun.

And fires are pretty common, so having an extinguisher makes a shitload more sense than having a gun. There are about 100 burglary-homicides every year. There are about 370,000 fires.

As for their being some circumstances where only a gun would help: there’s also some circumstances where only a syringe full of atropine would help.

273 Lidane  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 6:32:04am
274 Political Atheist  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 6:32:31am

re: #271 Feline Fearless Leader

Sure, hopefully that alarm system is hooked up to a service and you get first responders based on the first alarm. Part of a good plan is you always have keys, phone and ID in the nightstand. That lets you hand off keys to to police or whoever. Lets you have ID to show to police if it comes to it.

Ladies just take that purse with you. If you bail out fast for any reason you have those essentials with you.

275 Political Atheist  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 6:35:27am

re: #272 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Your clue would be how what I suggest changes the odds / stats you refer to. National stats are great. They teach us how to improve our odds on that individual basis. The lesson does not start and end with statistics. It only starts there. Do things right and the odd change in your favor. Act irresponsibly and they get worse.

276 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 6:38:38am

re: #275 Political Atheist

Your clue would be how what I suggest changes the odds / stats you refer to. National stats are great. They teach us how to improve our odds on that individual basis. The lesson does not start and end with statistics. It only starts there. Do things right and the odd change in your favor. Act irresponsibly and they get worse.

My clue about what? I’m not denying there are ways to mitigate the risk of a gun in the house; it’s still mitigation of risk. It’s still a risk, and for those people who have it there to prevent a home invasion, the risk brought by the gun is going to be larger than the risk of home invasion. (With the fun bonus that owning guns may make you a bigger target for burglary in the first place.)

Owning a gun is, in many cases, the irresponsible action in the first place. Even if the person acts responsibly with the gun, keeping a gun in the house against the statistically tiny probability for the vast majority of people of a home invasion is irresponsible.

277 Political Atheist  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 6:50:18am

re: #276 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Many of our actions are all about risk taking and or mitigation. By your logic it is irresponsible to take your family in a car if a subway or train is available.

I’ll strongly agree that short of the right measures taken having a gun is irresponsible.

Where we part ways is dismissing individual circumstances with your statistics. Oh by the way, on that topic one reason I support the research money being restored is to get higher resolution statistics. The kind that include successful and failed deterrence, and more detail. Your stat is of terribly low resolution. No matter how hard you dig.

I hope we got some folks around that have not read through our past discussions, we have had this chat a few times. If not, sorry.

278 Political Atheist  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 6:53:15am

re: #276 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

One more quick thing before I commute-The stats on home defense need to include guns in guards possession. How do those odds work out for the homeowner? What that might show is the proper utility of guns for defense. How do those gated communities fare? Rate of gun accidents by the guards on duty vs their value when confronting a violent intruder.

GTG

279 Lidane  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 6:55:15am
280 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 6:55:30am

re: #277 Political Atheist

Many of our actions are all about risk taking and or mitigation. By your logic it is irresponsible to take your family in a car if a subway or train is available.

That’s a balance between functionality and danger, but yeah, it’s somewhat irresponsible of my parents to drive across the country twice a year, but they at least are doing it to get from point A to point B. For the vast, vast majority of gun owners, gun ownership will never, ever be any use to them.

I’ll strongly agree that short of the right measures taken having a gun is irresponsible.

I don’t care if you disagree, I care if you can show me that it’s not irresponsible. Since for most people there is no use for the gun, owning the gun is a tiny, tiny benefit— against a very, very rare situation— and a variable risk dependent on how much time and effort and money they spend mitigating that risk— time and effort and money that could be spent on other things.

Where we part ways is dismissing individual circumstances with your statistics.

Except I don’t do that, so please don’t treat me as though I do. For someone who has reason to fear— a person in a terrible neighborhood with lots of home invasions, a person like a judge who is the target of criminals, a diamond merchant— owning a gun isn’t irresponsible.

So please, please stop treating me as though I’m saying that it’s the case in every circumstance. Please. I put thought and effort into this and it really grates when you pretend I’m saying something I’m not.

Oh by the way, on that topic one reason I support the research money being restored is to get higher resolution statistics. The kind that include successful and failed deterrence, and more detail. Your stat is of terribly low resolution. No matter how hard you dig.

It may be low resolution, but there’s still only about a hundred burglary-murders per year in the US. That is an absolutely tiny number and no amount of research is going to change that. It is a very, very remote risk that someone will be murdered in a home invasion. A tiny one. Acting as though it is a large one— again, unless you are in particular circumstances— is simply denying reality.

281 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 6:59:08am

re: #278 Political Atheist

One more quick thing before I commute-The stats on home defense need to include guns in guards possession. How do those odds work out for the homeowner? What that might show is the proper utility of guns for defense. How do those gated communities fare? Rate of gun accidents by the guards on duty vs their value when confronting a violent intruder.

GTG

It is really bizarre to me that you are holding out hope that their is some deep vein of burglaries foiled by keen-eyed guards and citizens drawing on a burglar. There is no reason to believe that this exists.

A lot of the defense of the use of weapons is not couched in term of protecting yourself, but protecting property. People will cite using their gun— and therefore the threat of killing someone— as acceptable in prevention of theft of property. That is another big problem with this debate— many gun owners support the use of lethal force in the defense of property.

282 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 7:08:45am

re: #273 Lidane

Isn’t it a basic rule of firearms safety to make sure your gun is unloaded BEFORE cleaning it? And, further, don’t point the barrel at someone you would rather not shoot, even when unloaded?

283 BeenHereAwhile  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 7:11:40am

re: #230 bathos

It would have been funnier if he’d made fun of Ted Nugent instead of Heston. Kind of fell flat for me. Heston has been dead 5 years now!

Jim Carey (In Ljving Color) in advance of Ted Nugent. 

Armed Fireman Bill makes his entrance at 00:25. 

Youtube Video
284 Bulworth  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 7:12:50am

re: #246 freetoken

There’s someone who goes by the name of PaleoPat?

285 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 7:15:10am

re: #282 wheat-dogghazi

Isn’t it a basic rule of firearms safety to make sure your gun is unloaded BEFORE cleaning it? And, further, don’t point the barrel at someone you would rather not shoot, even when unloaded?

This is part of the thing: Even if you are a careful, responsible person, you will have a chance of an accident. You may be tired, you may have the flu, you may be distracted, emotional, what have you. I’m an expert cook, I’ve been doing it for years and years, and yet I occasionally cut myself, burn myself, forget and leave the oven on, touch a hot pat out of the oven with a bare hand, etc.

As I’ve said before, if a cop shoots someone in the line of duty on accident— and it isn’t clearly a case of on-accident-on-purpose or absolute negligence— I don’t think they should be treated the same way as an ordinary citizen. Why? Because the cops have to carry guns all the time, and respond to tricky situations all the time. Some of the time, they’re going to fuck up, and punishing them in the same way as normal citizens is broken. So what results is police departments covering up these accidents, just as doctors often cover up incorrect treatment.

This is also why I don’t like random citizens who have no real reason for it keeping guns in their homes. They may be ultra-responsible, but they are still going to have off days, they’re going to have guests in their house, they may have children. There is no way of rendering a gun safe and useful; the purpose of a gun is to not be safe, and if you take large measures to make it so you make it less and less useful.

Humans are highly fallible. Any system whereby you assume that they’re not is going to plow spectacularly into a shitshow.

286 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 7:29:30am

re: #285 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

I hear you. If you do any kind of manual labor, or fool around with science equipment (in my former line or work), sooner or later you’re going to injure yourself. I’ve been very fortunate that I haven’t done myself any permanent damage over years mucking about in the kitchen, lab, workshop, garage or house. (I have gotten some pretty nasty jolts from electrical stuff though.)

Guns are whole ‘nother thing, as they are designed to kill. Yet, some people treat them as casually as a combination wrench hanging from a pegboard. They store them loaded, don’t lock the triggers, don’t lock them in a cabinet, and like this poor man, forget basic precautions when doing routine maintenance.

[I once forgot one basic precaution of electrical repairs. Check that the outlet is shut off from the main supply BEFORE attempting replacement. Yow!)

287 chadu  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 7:38:39am

re: #71 Gus

I think the knife-twist from that tweet is the non-apology “Sorry if you’re offended…” that so-cons trot out every time they get called out on public derp.

288 Gus  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 7:40:27am

re: #284 Bulworth

There’s someone who goes by the name of PaleoPat?

Pat Buchanan

289 Gus  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 7:42:47am

re: #282 wheat-dogghazi

Isn’t it a basic rule of firearms safety to make sure your gun is unloaded BEFORE cleaning it? And, further, don’t point the barrel at someone you would rather not shoot, even when unloaded?

Read another story. It said he was “wiping it.”

290 Gus  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 7:44:22am
291 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 7:44:37am

re: #289 Gus

I’m ignorant when it comes to firearms, so pardon the dumb question. Is it easy to tell when a shotgun is loaded?

292 Gus  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 7:45:08am
293 Gus  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 7:45:32am

re: #291 wheat-dogghazi

I’m ignorant when it comes to firearms, so pardon the dumb question. Is it easy to tell when a shotgun is loaded?

Yes.

294 Gus  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 7:46:05am
295 chadu  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 7:47:12am

re: #139 goddamnedfrank

I’m saying that this kind of rhetoric is usually reserved for use by right wing fanatics, as is painting the opposition as impotent and filled with rage. It’s trite, useless, uninteresting in my opinion, as is cutesy shit subbing in the name Mammon. I’m not motivated when right wingers engage in this style of moralistic, cheap ad hominem.

And I think this is why Gutberg was foaming at the mouth: it’s using their own RWNJ rhetoric against them, and that just isn’t done in their alternate worldview.

296 Mattand  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 7:47:23am

Just watched “Cold Dead Hand”. Very funny, particularly the ending coda.

The fact that it’s driving conservatives nuts? Icing on the cake.

297 Gus  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 7:47:28am

re: #291 wheat-dogghazi

I’m ignorant when it comes to firearms, so pardon the dumb question. Is it easy to tell when a shotgun is loaded?

You have to look of course. We had had to rifles and a shotgun at our house. Never point the gun at anyone. The were never loaded though.

298 Dr. Matt  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 7:47:56am

re: #291 wheat-dogghazi

I’m ignorant when it comes to firearms, so pardon the dumb question. Is it easy to tell when a shotgun is loaded?

Pretty much. For a single shot or double barrel, a mere flick of a lever and one can crack open the firing mechanism/barrel and check to see if there are shells present. For a pump action all one has to do is pull back the pump and look inside the chamber.

299 Gus  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 7:48:53am

Well, with Kennedy and Roberts raising doubts. This is looking good thus far.

300 Dr. Matt  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 7:50:48am

re: #299 Gus

Well, with Kennedy and Roberts raising doubts. This is looking good thus far.

Clarence Thomas chimed in with a grunt.

301 Mattand  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 7:51:33am

re: #294 Gus

Justice Kennedy suggests children of same-sex couples suffer “immediate legal injury” from California’s ban

I almost can’t wait for Scalia’s response.

It’s not a matter whether he’ll denigrate same-sex families, it’s just how much of a prick he’ll be about it.

302 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 7:55:51am

re: #298 Dr. Matt

Well, that’s what I thought, just from watching others load shotguns. So, like I said earlier, don’t clean a loaded gun. Bad idea.

303 Dr. Matt  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 7:58:28am

re: #302 wheat-dogghazi

Well, that’s what I thought, just from watching others load shotguns. So, like I said earlier, don’t clean a loaded gun. Bad idea.

I’ve been cleaning pistols and rifles since my late teens and at this point it’s innate to unload the firearm before cleaning. It’s not even an active thought. I do it out a mere habit. Sort of like getting into your car and putting on a seat beat. I really don’t think about it, I just do it.

304 Interesting Times  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 7:58:49am

re: #301 Mattand

It’s not a matter whether he’ll denigrate same-sex families, it’s just how much of a prick he’ll be about it.

Rachel Maddow was bang-on correct. He’s a troll.

305 Mattand  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 8:00:08am

I’m thinking if Prop 8 gets overturned, it might be considered a win for church and state separation. The objection to gay marriage almost always comes down to religion; IIRC, Prop 8 was backed by several religious groups.

There’s no reason two consenting adults shouldn’t be afforded the same legal, secular benefits of marriage, regardless of gender.

Shit, I’d think even Fox News would be for this. The years of ratings they’ll garner from whipping up the mouth breathers into a frenzy would be a gold mine.

306 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 8:03:18am

re: #305 Mattand

I’m hoping SCOTUS overturns it. From the reactions of Roberts and Kennedy, it seems it might be a 6-3 split, which is sure to incite the RW into screaming, “Activist judges! Off with their heads.”

307 chadu  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 8:04:11am

Some thoughts:

1. I grew up watching Hee Haw. I liked it. Rural-themed vaudeville, essentially.

2. Being vaudeville, that means for every really inventive skit, you get three more that are a fat dude sitting on a pie, lame jokes, and lame repeated sketches that are funny and beloved because they’re lame and repeated. Frex:

Youtube Video

(I loved that bit, every dang week.)

3. Gutman’s saying that Carrey’s mocking rural people. No, not really — he’s mocking Hee Haw. If you notice, all of the rural cast members are really digging the song; the only person ticked off about it is Heston.

Ponder that for a second. The people Gutman feels are being mocked are singing along happily, dancing, or even joining in with moonshine jug accompaniment for this gun control song.

308 Political Atheist  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 8:06:39am

re: #281 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

It is really bizarre to me that you are holding out hope that their is some deep vein of burglaries foiled by keen-eyed guards and citizens drawing on a burglar. There is no reason to believe that this exists.

A lot of the defense of the use of weapons is not couched in term of protecting yourself, but protecting property. People will cite using their gun— and therefore the threat of killing someone— as acceptable in prevention of theft of property. That is another big problem with this debate— many gun owners support the use of lethal force in the defense of property.

If you understood my intent, nothing I said would seem bizarre. I do not hope there is “some deep vein” of anything except maybe gold. :-0

The reason I brought up security guards is to show where guns properly held and used are of actual merit, or maybe not depending on the numbers we do not yet have. Why you came to that other conclusion about my intent may have more to do with your general negative perception of gun owners than anything I have actually said.

Bear in mind I never advocated lethal force over property. In fact when I had my self defense blog, I said the opposite. maybe I still have those files.

Of course we do have professionals that can and will use lethal force to protect property. Lots of them. Whether that extends to the home is an issue I have already decided.

309 Political Atheist  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 8:09:40am

BBL

310 Gus  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 8:10:34am

re: #307 chadu

Some thoughts:

1. I grew up watching Hee Haw. I liked it. Rural-themed vaudeville, essentially.

2. Being vaudeville, that means for every really inventive skit, you get three more that are a fat dude sitting on a pie, lame jokes, and lame repeated sketches that are funny and beloved because they’re lame and repeated. Frex:

[Embedded content]

(I loved that bit, every dang week.)

3. Gutman’s saying that Carrey’s mocking rural people. No, not really — he’s mocking Hee Haw. If you notice, all of the rural cast members are really digging the song; the only person ticked off about it is Heston.

Ponder that for a second. The people Gutman feels are being mocked are singing along happily, dancing, or even joining in with moonshine jug accompaniment for this gun control song.

Gutfeld. This of course is coming from a guy who insulted the Canadian military and led to a subsequent uproar. Also, what exactly was Hee Haw WRT to southern stereotypes?

311 Gus  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 8:13:33am
312 chadu  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 8:14:47am

re: #310 Gus

Also, what exactly was Hee Haw WRT to southern stereotypes?

It was purposefully stereotypes all the way down. THAT’S THE POINT.

Sweet Baby Jebus Buddha in a Disco, people, entertainment ain’t rocket science.

313 Gus  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 8:14:48am

Fuck them.

314 Gus  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 8:15:19am

Fuck Reagan.

315 Gus  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 8:15:35am

Fuck Scalia.

316 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 8:16:51am

Good morning lizards!

317 iossarian  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 8:17:53am

I try to see a silver lining here - if the SC were to actually do the right thing, in a way it could help the GOP by taking an increasingly unpopular policy issue off the table for them.

If Scalia and his buddies let their bigotry hang free, hopefully they’ll be welding Republicans to an issue that will continue to lose them young votes for the foreseeable future.

Still would suck though.

318 Interesting Times  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 8:19:57am

re: #314 Gus

Fuck Reagan.

He’s dead, but the grievous damage he’s done lives on.

319 Dr. Matt  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 8:20:44am

Add Ann Coulter and Laura Ingraham to the mix of right-wing meltdowns over Jim Carrey’s spoof.

320 aagcobb  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 8:23:51am

re: #317 iossarian

I try to see a silver lining here - if the SC were to actually do the right thing, in a way it could help the GOP by taking an increasingly unpopular policy issue off the table for them.

If Scalia and his buddies let their bigotry hang free, hopefully they’ll be welding Republicans to an issue that will continue to lose them young votes for the foreseeable future.

Still would suck though.

They might dismiss it for lack of standing, which would leave the 9th Circuit’s opinion striking Prop 8 intact. If they affirm Prop 8, I assume it won’t be long before there is a new Prop to repeal it.

321 Gus  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 8:24:03am
322 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 8:24:37am

re: #318 Interesting Times

He’s dead, but the grievous damage he’s done lives on.

His real damage was to the level of basic education in this country. The modern Republican party, especially the TPGOP, is a product of that decline.

323 blueraven  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 8:25:37am

re: #311 Gus

I always thought they would probably not decide this in the end…and that the 9th circuit ruling will stand, basically overturning prop 8.

324 Gus  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 8:25:38am

re: #322 Sol Berdinowitz

His real damage was to the level of basic education in this country. The modern Republican party, especially the TPGOP, is a product of that decline.

Don’t forget the trickle down bullshit.

325 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 8:27:05am

re: #324 Gus

Don’t forget the trickle down bullshit.

Only the poorly educated would fall for such BS

326 Interesting Times  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 8:27:28am

Ronald Reagan: most over-rated US president ever. His one supposed achievement, the end of the cold war, was overwhelmingly due to Gorbachev.

327 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 8:31:26am

re: #324 Gus

Don’t forget the trickle down bullshit.

Isn’t that what G Bush Sr referred to as “voodoo economics” during the GOP primaries?

328 I Am Kreniigh!  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 8:31:33am

re: #321 Gus

I never noticed that Twitter adjusts for time zone before… I guess that makes sense. You are… in Canada?

329 Gus  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 8:33:02am

re: #328 I Am Kreniigh!

I never noticed that Twitter adjusts for time zone before… I guess that makes sense. You are… in Canada?

Colorado. That’s UTC time.

330 Gus  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 8:33:17am

time.gov

331 stabby  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 8:33:45am

re: #307 chadu

I thought the same thing. I think Gutfeld doesn’t know Hee Haw, he has no idea what the video is about.

332 stabby  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 8:35:33am

Either that or he’s lying to smear Carrey knowing that some people in the audience aren’t old enough to remember Hee Haw. The right never seems to be above lying these days.

333 blueraven  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 8:37:28am
334 wrenchwench  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 8:52:18am

re: #317 iossarian

I try to see a silver lining here - if the SC were to actually do the right thing, in a way it could help the GOP by taking an increasingly unpopular policy issue off the table for them.

Hasn’t worked out that way with Roe v Wade.

335 Lidane  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 8:52:41am
336 wrenchwench  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 8:53:05am
337 Lidane  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 8:54:32am

ANARCHY! DOGS AND CATS! ELEVENTY!

338 Lidane  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 8:55:08am
339 iossarian  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 8:57:01am

re: #334 wrenchwench

Hasn’t worked out that way with Roe v Wade.

I’d have to think about that. Roe v. Wade was a decision that went against conservatives and ended up galvanizing them and becoming a perpetual vote-driver via ballot initiatives.

340 stabby  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 8:57:23am

re: #334 wrenchwench

Hasn’t worked out that way with Roe v Wade.

Putting the first amendment into the Bill of Rights first didn’t take theocracy off the table for them either.

You can’t take an issue off the table for the Republican party, they respect no authority but themselves.

341 Dr. Matt  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 8:59:48am

re: #335 Lidane

Clever trolling from Roberts: since children of same sex couples are doing ok, can’t argue they are hurt by parents not being married
— AdamSerwer (@AdamSerwer) March 26, 2013

IMPEEACH!!!

342 wrenchwench  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 9:00:16am

Heh.

343 Dr. Matt  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 9:01:24am

re: #337 Lidane

FRC’s Tony Perkins predicts “revolution” and “turmoil” if SCOTUS strikes down Prop 8, DOMA bit.ly/YCm4kg
— Right Wing Watch (@RightWingWatch) March 26, 2013

The dude needs to quit obsessing over homosexuality and spend more time worrying about the poor and the sick and the elderly.

344 stabby  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 9:03:00am

re: #343 Dr. Matt

… he just needs some dick, it would calm him right down, eventually.

345 Gus  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 9:03:19am

re: #342 wrenchwench

Heh.

Wow, he’s really smart!

//

346 Stanley Sea  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 9:06:23am

re: #342 wrenchwench

Heh.

Oops.

347 Lidane  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 9:10:44am
348 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 9:16:42am

Lack of basic education and an inability to distinguish from the religious sacrament of holy matrimony and the legal status of marriage.

They were identical for a long time. Now they are not. If churches wish to refuse to see a gay couple as “married in the eyes of God”, they can, but these people should not be discriminated against.

349 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 9:17:27am

N. Korea Puts Artillery Forces on Highest Combat Alert Level

March 26 (Bloomberg) — North Korea today put its artillery forces on their highest combat level and reiterated threats to attack South Korea and the U.S.

The alert affects “all the field artillery units including strategic rocket units and long-range artillery units which are assigned to strike bases of the U.S. imperialist aggressor troops in the U.S. mainland and on Hawaii and Guam,” the Supreme Command of the Korean People’s Army said in a statement carried by the state-run Korean Central News Agency.

This is the highest-level combat posture North Korea has ever issued, and South Korea is analyzing the threat while staying alert for any provocation, Defense Ministry spokesman Kim Min Seok said by telephone. No unusual North Korea troop movements have been detected, he said.

350 Lidane  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 9:21:35am
351 Ian G.  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 9:21:51am

re: #349 NJDhockeyfan

Is this just the fat kid trying to look tough, lest a general or two in the North Korean army decide to stage a coup d’etat? I can’t imagine this belligerence by North Korea has any other purpose. It’s sort of like a gang initiation: prove you’re tough by robbing that dude on the street.

352 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 9:22:11am

re: #348 Sol Berdinowitz

Lack of basic education and an inability to distinguish from the religious sacrament of holy matrimony and the legal status of marriage.

They were identical for a long time. Now they are not. If churches wish to refuse to see a gay couple as “married in the eyes of God”, they can, but these people should not be discriminated against.

Up next: the society-destroying scourge of atheist marriage…

353 wrenchwench  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 9:23:35am

re: #352 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Up next: the society-destroying scourge of atheist marriage…

Infertile atheist marriage!

354 Lidane  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 9:27:11am

Could someone please explain to Justice Alito that homosexuality’s been around a while? Thanks.

355 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 9:27:55am

re: #295 chadu

And I think this is why Gutberg was foaming at the mouth: it’s using their own RWNJ rhetoric against them, and that just isn’t done in their alternate worldview.

That may be true, but the real reason it’s not done is that the kind of rhetoric right wingers employ is intrinsically weak. It’s not the kind of thing otherwise intelligent people typically cheer or are proud of.

Yet here we are. Tribal bullshit.

356 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 9:28:05am

re: #351 Ian G.

Is this just the fat kid trying to look tough, lest a general or two in the North Korean army decide to stage a coup d’etat? I can’t imagine this belligerence by North Korea has any other purpose. It’s sort of like a gang initiation: prove you’re tough by robbing that dude on the street.

I am starting to think he might go ahead and start something. He’s either crazy or stupid if he thinks he has a chance of winning a war with South Korea and the US.

357 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 9:31:20am

re: #308 Political Atheist

If you understood my intent, nothing I said would seem bizarre. I do not hope there is “some deep vein” of anything except maybe gold. :-0

The reason I brought up security guards is to show where guns properly held and used are of actual merit, or maybe not depending on the numbers we do not yet have. Why you came to that other conclusion about my intent may have more to do with your general negative perception of gun owners than anything I have actually said.

It’s because you keep bringing up the need for statistics as if we know nothing. We know a lot. We know, for example, that there’s only a hundred burglary-murders (reported, anyway, I’m sure there’s a lot more criminal-on-criminal cases) in the US. We don’t have perfect statistics but that statistic alone is enough to show that the risk of being murdered in a home invasion is very, very small. The number of people living in gated communities and otherwise protected by armed guards is very low.

Bear in mind I never advocated lethal force over property. In fact when I had my self defense blog, I said the opposite. maybe I still have those files.

And I didn’t say you did. My problem is not with you and your owning a gun. It’s with someone like my wife’s aunt, who is a diabetic who routinely fails to control her blood sugar levels, drinks quite a bit, and has a short temper. She went out and bought a gun the other day. She should not have a gun. She is a wonderful lady in other ways but her having a gun is just dangerous.

Or my friend Joe, who got a gun to protect himself at home. He lives in a town where the biggest crimes every year are drunk teenagers being idiots. He is in virtually no danger of home invasion, but he got scurred into thinking he needs it. He also thinks there’s a crime wave going on in the US and refuses to listen to all the statistics that show there isn’t— and he hasn’t even experienced any himself, it’s all just stories he sees on the internet.

He’s a panicky, nervous guy. He has no business owning a gun. His reason for owning it sucks, I know he’s going to be careless with it, and if it did come to a home invasion I’m sure he’d forget all about the gun and where it is.

There are lots and lots and lots and lots of people in the US who own guns who have no real reason to have them, and the guns lie there just as a risk, not a benefit, and this is not a good thing.

358 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 9:31:43am

re: #355 goddamnedfrank

Jim Carrey’s song isn’t rhetoric.

359 chadu  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 9:32:33am

re: #355 goddamnedfrank

That may be true, but the real reason it’s not done is that the kind of rhetoric right wingers employ is intrinsically weak. It’s not the kind of thing otherwise intelligent people typically cheer or are proud of.

Yet here we are. Tribal bullshit.

You have a point: I suppose I was just schaden-in’ my freude.

360 erik_t  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 9:36:40am

re: #357 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

It’s because you keep bringing up the need for statistics as if we know nothing. We know a lot. We know, for example, that there’s only a hundred burglary-murders (reported, anyway, I’m sure there’s a lot more criminal-on-criminal cases) in the US. We don’t have perfect statistics but that statistic alone is enough to show that the risk of being murdered in a home invasion is very, very small. The number of people living in gated communities and otherwise protected by armed guards is very low.

There is similarity to the difference between Newtonian and relativistic mechanics. Yes, Newtonian mechanics gives us a very simplified worldview, and yes, there are individual circumstances that are better addressed by the more granular approach. But any and all correct results that we can realize via a Newtonian understanding must continue to hold with the more nuanced theory.

Using smaller grains of sand to fill up a bucket doesn’t meaningfully change your measurement of the volume of the bucket.

361 Charles Johnson  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 9:40:13am
362 CriticalDragon1177  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 9:40:37am

Gus

Jim Carry Was Hilarious! Greg Gutfeld needs to get a life.

363 Lidane  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 9:40:46am
364 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 9:44:50am

re: #356 NJDhockeyfan

I am starting to think he might go ahead and start something. He’s either crazy or stupid if he thinks he has a chance of winning a war with South Korea and the US.

What if he really, truly, no-shit believes NK’s own propaganda?

365 Gus  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 9:44:57am

re: #358 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Jim Carrey’s song isn’t rhetoric.

Ted Nugent on the other hand is rhetoric served almost weekly up and to the point of almost threatening the president’s life. Wayne LaPierre is foaming at the mouth rhetoric…

But, Funny or Die, a comedy video channel, comic actor Jim Carrey… I think I need my fainting couch.

366 Gus  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 9:45:18am
367 Gus  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 9:47:13am

“Should we allow interracial marriage? I’m not sure but I think we may be moving too fast on this. Too soon. Too soon.”
— Antonin Scaliafucket

368 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 9:50:39am

re: #364 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

What if he really, truly, no-shit believes NK’s own propaganda?

War.

369 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 9:51:55am

re: #354 Lidane

Could someone please explain to Justice Alito that homosexuality’s been around a while? Thanks.

I wonder how the Court would rule if states tried to make cellphones or the Internet illegal.

370 Political Atheist  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 9:52:21am

re: #357 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

We can trade anecdotes all day long. But those are largely useless right?
We have certain populations that have an elevated risk of violence. Your stats fail them.

Now we come to the most uncomfortable part for many people. Home & work possession of a gun is a civil right. Settled law. We can and must regulate better (ground well covered already here) but the inescapable fact is that many will choose to make use of that individual civil right. Statistics won’t change that. Only how we go about it.

371 iossarian  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 9:54:20am

re: #369 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

I wonder how the Court would rule if states tried to make cellphones or the Internet illegal.

Start with magnets. The DEVIL’S WORK I say.

372 Political Atheist  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 9:54:48am

re: #358 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Jim Carrey’s song isn’t rhetoric.

Or helpful in any way to forward the legislation we want.

373 Lidane  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 9:55:00am

Derp:

374 iossarian  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 9:56:13am

re: #370 Political Atheist

We can trade anecdotes all day long. But those are largely useless right?
We have certain populations that have an elevated risk of violence. Your stats fail them.

Now we come to the most uncomfortable part for many people. Home & work possession of a gun is a civil right. Settled law. We can and must regulate better (ground well covered already here) but the inescapable fact is that many will choose to make use of that individual civil right. Statistics won’t change that. Only how we go about it.

The “settled law” argument is very persuasive to the relatives of children who get killed by their responsible gun-owning parents, I’m sure.

375 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 9:57:09am

re: #373 Lidane

so, in other words, the Supreme Court will become as illegitimate as the other 2 branches of gov’t when they don’t rule the way the right wants? I foresee some dark times ahead if that’s how they really think…

376 Jolo5309  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 9:57:57am

re: #357 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Or my friend Joe, who got a gun to protect himself at home. He lives in a town where the biggest crimes every year are drunk teenagers being idiots. He is in virtually no danger of home invasion, but he got scurred into thinking he needs it. He also thinks there’s a crime wave going on in the US and refuses to listen to all the statistics that show there isn’t— and he hasn’t even experienced any himself, it’s all just stories he sees on the internet.

A friend of mine is getting his masters and his prof (in the first five minutes) stated:
“We know that youth violence has been increasing for the last 50 years and is the highest it has ever been and now we know it’s because of the violence in media and video games our children are exposed to every day.”
From him:
The course requires 2 reflection papers of 2-3 pages each. I chose to do my first paper on video game violence because I just needed to do it after the comments my professor made. I wrote 10 pages, some of the best work I’ve done, from the point of view of argument and content (I thought my argument was well-structured and that my conclusions were well-supported).

His average in the masters course is 86, his lowest mark until now was 81. For the paper he got a 66 because she felt he was wrong because she (in his words) “asked around and violence is definitely going up.”

There are people that have no understanding that their POV is wrong, and no amount of data will change that.

377 wrenchwench  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 9:59:36am
378 Bulworth  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 10:02:47am

re: #367 Gus

Standing athwart history yelling STOP!!!11111!!!!!!

379 Bulworth  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 10:04:07am

“Antonio Scalia is a major douche” - John Quincy Adams.

380 Bulworth  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 10:05:02am

re: #354 Lidane

Could someone please explain to Justice Alito that homosexuality’s been around a while? Thanks.

The Internet….it’s a series of tubes.

381 Gus  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 10:05:33am

Oh what a great hardship and burden America’s gun owners bear. They’re facing discrimination last seen during the Jim Crow years. Oh what a sad and truly tragic lives they lead. Gun owners are the new blacks in America. Cry for them for their suffering is ours too.

//

382 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 10:06:17am

re: #381 Gus

Oh what a great hardship and burden America’s gun owners bear. They’re facing discrimination last seen during the Jim Crow years. Oh what a sad and truly tragic lives they lead. Gun owners are the new blacks in America. Cry for them for their suffering is ours too.

//

I await the authorities to turn the firehoses on them.
//

383 Political Atheist  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 10:06:24am

re: #374 iossarian

Your objection to my civil right is noted. Any objection to keeping this discussion a bit less snarky?

384 iossarian  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 10:06:39am

re: #381 Gus

Oh what a great hardship and burden America’s gun owners bear. They’re facing discrimination last seen during the Jim Crow years. Oh what a sad and truly tragic lives they lead. Gun owners are the new blacks in America. Cry for them for their suffering is ours too.

//

Hey, I just want to own guns and make myself and all the people around me less safe! DON’T MESS WITH MY FREEDOM BUDDY

385 Bulworth  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 10:06:52am

“If there’s a group I detest more than any other it’s that vile outfit known ironically as the National Organization for Marriage.” - Theodore Roosevelt

#realquotes

386 Interesting Times  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 10:07:31am
387 Gus  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 10:07:39am

re: #382 Feline Fearless Leader

I await the authorities to turn the firehoses on them.
//

Soon they will turn the Obama drones on them. Tracked by GPS implants. Sent off to FEMA camps as we confiscate their freedom weapons.

//

388 Lidane  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 10:07:46am
389 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 10:07:58am

re: #385 Bulworth

“If there’s a group I detest more than any other it’s that vile outfit known ironically as the National Organization for Marriage.” - Theodore Roosevelt

#realquotes

I’m still pissed that their acronym has forever tainted the good name of yummy noms…

390 iossarian  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 10:08:00am

re: #383 Political Atheist

Your objection to my civil right is noted. Any objection to keeping this discussion a bit less snarky?

My civil right is not to have idiots walking around with guns which are then occasionally used deliberately or accidentally to shoot sane people like me.

Your civil right is to be an anti-social idiot whose behavior makes us all less safe.

But sure, you’re just like Dr. King. A real crusader for the rights of all @_@

391 Gus  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 10:08:14am

Freedom bullets!

“Skoal?”

//

392 Gus  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 10:09:07am

“If you’re free thank a gun owner!”

//

393 iossarian  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 10:09:56am

re: #392 Gus

“If you’re free thank a gun owner!”

//

An armed society is a polite society with a much higher violent death rate than other societies.

394 Lidane  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 10:10:00am

re: #380 Bulworth

The Internet….it’s a series of tubes.

395 Interesting Times  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 10:10:47am
396 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 10:12:34am

In the UK there is a war on flapjacks!

UK school bans triangular flapjacks after food fight

It took a tragedy for a UK school to realize that its cafeteria was putting students in imminent danger. Danger from triangular flapjacks.

Three corners can turn this British oat bar into a deadly weapon, as students at Castle View School in Canvey Island, Essex clearly learned before they began launching them around the lunch room, according to the BBC.

When a flapjack hit one student in the face, staff decided the most pertinent question in this case was how the shape and texture of the snack might have contributed to injury, instead of why students were using flapjacks like snowballs.

After a review, the school decided to ban triangular flapjacks, serving only the square or rectangular variety, according to the public broadcaster.

…I’m taking the school’s side; the world is much safer with four-cornered flapjacks. Consider that when a BBC reporter asked locals what they thought, at least one of them suggested schools should lock up the dangerous flapjacks to keep them out of children’s reach.

397 Interesting Times  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 10:13:10am
398 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 10:14:33am

re: #370 Political Atheist

We can trade anecdotes all day long. But those are largely useless right?

Not necessarily, no. My argument is that even if you’re the most responsible guy in the world, you’ll occasionally fuck up. Most people are pretty responsible, but not that great. The anecdotes are illustrative; they aren’t the foundation of my argument. I’m trying— and it’s really weird to me that I have to do this— to get you to agree that an ordinary person who’s not at any real risk of being attacked in their home doesn’t actually need a gun and having a gun around is a risky thing. You seem really resistant to this and I have no idea why.

We have certain populations that have an elevated risk of violence. Your stats fail them.

Please fucking stop doing this. How many times do I have to ask? I say over and over again that for those populations, owning a gun is obviously more of a benefit and I don’t have a problem with it, and you just ignore it. Why?

399 Big Steve  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 10:14:33am

I do find it amusing that we all here root on anything that will annoy or rile up the right for the spectacle of their ranting, yet the merest utterance by Justices Alito or Scalia turns us into howler monkeys.

400 Interesting Times  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 10:15:26am

This is why voting for republicans, or staying home in droves so republicans win, is you-deserve-a-leg-that-bends-backwards-to-kick-your-ass stupid:

401 Lidane  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 10:15:53am

re: #399 Big Steve

And the fact that Scalia and Alito are set to rule on a basic human right is irrelevant, of course.

402 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 10:16:10am

re: #399 Big Steve

I do find it amusing that we all here root on anything that will annoy or rile up the right for the spectacle of their ranting, yet the merest utterance by Justices Alito or Scalia turns us into howler monkeys.

I’m sorry, I didn’t quite understand what you said. Can you restate it?

403 Interesting Times  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 10:16:23am

re: #399 Big Steve

I do find it amusing that we all here root on anything that will annoy or rile up the right for the spectacle of their ranting, yet the merest utterance by Justices Alito or Scalia turns us into howler monkeys.

Oh. I see. Being angered by bigotry and discrimination makes one a “howler monkey”. Nice to see where your priorities are 9_9

404 Decatur Deb  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 10:19:07am

re: #399 Big Steve

I do find it amusing that we all here root on anything that will annoy or rile up the right for the spectacle of their ranting, yet the merest utterance by Justices Alito or Scalia turns us into howler monkeys.

We all here don’t do shit, y’all.

405 Kragar  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 10:19:16am

re: #380 Bulworth

SSM is new? Don’t tell the Romans.

406 Gus  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 10:19:37am

America. Where it’s still easier for any crazed yahoo to buy a handgun to blow his ex-wife’s head off in deranged fury than it is for a gay couple to get married.

407 Interesting Times  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 10:19:50am

Oh noes, you awful, awful, liberals said something nasty about scalia’s bigotry! Oh my stars and bars, fetch the smelling salts!

408 Lidane  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 10:20:22am
anything that will annoy or rile up the right

Translation: Social and political progress.

the merest utterance by Justices Alito or Scalia

Translation: Ignorant statements about social and political progress.

409 Gus  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 10:20:42am

Freedom!

410 Political Atheist  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 10:20:56am

re: #390 iossarian

My civil right is not to have idiots walking around with guns which are then occasionally used deliberately or accidentally to shoot sane people like me.

Your civil right is to be an anti-social idiot whose behavior makes us all less safe.

But sure, you’re just like Dr. King. A real crusader for the rights of all @_@

Wow. We’re done. I will refrain from a similar insulting and inappropriate link in return. I just do not appreciate people trying to squelch debate like that and turn this into a flame war. Most of the time this place is better than that.

411 Interesting Times  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 10:21:20am

Fake or imagined injustice should not make people angry.

Real injustice damn well should.

And if you can’t tell the difference between them, you’re willfully fucking stupid.

412 Kragar  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 10:22:15am

Perkins: ‘Revolution’ Possible if ‘Court Goes Too Far’ on Marriage Equality Cases

Possible? These people have been revolting for years.

413 Lidane  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 10:22:41am

What could possibly go wrong?

414 Gus  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 10:23:58am

re: #413 Lidane

What could possibly go wrong?

See what I mean? They’re just crazy.

415 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 10:24:07am

re: #413 Lidane

What could possibly go wrong?

Because nothing says “well regulated militia” better than “violent felon”…

416 Gus  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 10:24:16am

Freedom!

417 Kragar  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 10:24:44am

re: #415 Sol Berdinowitz

Because nothing says “well regulated militia” better than “violent felon”…

What is this, Maricopa County?
/

418 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 10:25:16am

re: #415 Sol Berdinowitz

Because nothing says “well regulated militia” better than “violent felon”…

Ironically, ex-cons are probably at bigger risk of violence and actually have a more legitimate need for a gun for self protection than some dude who lives in a suburb.

419 iossarian  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 10:25:28am

re: #410 Political Atheist

Wow. We’re done. I will refrain from a similar insulting and inappropriate link in return. I just do not appreciate people trying to squelch debate like that and turn this into a flame war. Most of the time this place is better than that.

Hm. So your claim that gun ownership is a “civil right” is not an attempt to “squelch debate”? Funny, because I read the phrase “settled law” as meaning “it’s not going to change, so get over it”.

You don’t have anything to defend your illogical and irresponsible desire to own a gun, so you fall back on argument from authority, which is a very weak position.

All I ask is to live in a country where parents don’t blow their kids’ heads off by accident, due to a morally corrupt industry’s unceasing efforts to make them believe they need to be armed to protect themselves from scary brown folk. We should be better than that.

420 Political Atheist  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 10:25:51am

re: #398 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

. How many times do I have to ask? I say over and over again that for those populations, owning a gun is obviously more of a benefit and I don’t have a problem with it, and you just ignore it. Why?

Because the conversation is not really just between us. Some points bear repeating for the newer or larger audience. Because that point establishes the limits of the stats.

I think I’ll await the next topic. This one is done.

421 Interesting Times  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 10:25:57am
422 Political Atheist  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 10:26:16am

re: #419 iossarian

Gaze

423 iossarian  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 10:26:31am

re: #422 Political Atheist

Gaze

OH NO THE SCARY DARK FALCON TACTIC

424 wrenchwench  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 10:27:21am

re: #413 Lidane

What could possibly go wrong?

And the right to vote? They can haz that back too?

425 iossarian  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 10:28:15am

re: #424 wrenchwench

And the right to vote? They can haz that back too?

Nope. Constitution is for enabling people to shoot each other.

426 Kragar  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 10:28:42am

Fox News radio host: LGBT rights make Christians ‘second-class citizens’

Fox News radio host Todd Starnes says that the push for equal rights for LGBT people is making Christians who believe in the “Biblical definition of marriage” into “second-class citizens.”

During a Monday interview with conservative radio host Sandy Rios, the often-outraged Starnes reacted to the possibility that the U.S. Supreme Court could rule in favor of marriage equality.

“What concerns me, though, Sandy, is the vitriol coming from those who support gay marriage,” Starnes declared. “You know, I’m the kind of person that is more than happy to sit down and talk and debate and listen to what people have to say. I may not agree with it, but at least, you know, it’s their right to have their opinion under our Constitution.”

“And yet, there seems to be this opinion on the other side that says, you know what, you and I don’t deserve the same rights,” he opined. “You know, it’s as if we’re second-class citizens now because we support the traditional, Biblical definition of marriage or perhaps we are pro-life, and that means we’re somehow second-class citizens who don’t deserve to be in the public marketplace of ideas.”

Bullshit. What right is a Christian losing or being restricted from exercising by allowing 2 people to marry or a woman being allowed to have an abortion? Forcing the entire world to live by your bullshit rules is not a right.

427 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 10:29:39am

re: #420 Political Atheist

Because the conversation is not really just between us.

That does not excuse pretending that I’m saying something I’m not. This is really disappointing. Over and over again I say that for some people, there is a legitimate need for a gun, and yet you say “Your statistics fail them” to me as though I haven’t taken them into account.

I don’t get it. I’m a reasonable dude and I can easily be persuaded by reasonable argument. I’ve changed many, many opinions over the years as better information became available to me. And yet you’re not engaging with my points, you’re not discussing this with me. I completely acknowledge that for Fred Simmons, pawnshop owner in a cruddy part of town with a stalker ex-boyfriend, a gun is going to be less risky than not having one.

But for the ordinary citizen, who will never face violence in their home, the gun is just a risk, no matter how well mitigated. And for some reason you can’t deal with that conversation, about the ordinary case, instead of the special case.

428 Lidane  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 10:31:16am

OK. This is awesome. One of my professors from grad school just posted this on his FB. I’ve taken out any identifying statements or anything deeply personal, but you get the point:

I must admit, I considered letting today pass without commenting on this. Those who know me well know that my background and circle of friends is diverse to say the least. And this post may cause them some distress. But I hope they will read it all before deciding to unfriend me. I grew up in a conservative small town where “issues” like this (and I hate to call this an “issue”, but there you are) just didn’t arise that often. The first openly gay person I met was in college - a woman who became one of the best friends, and a woman who took great delight in introducing the straight country boy to the sometimes circus-like culture of gays in the 1980’s. At the same time, I had grown up with strong religious convictions that were suddenly starting to tumble in the face of logic. How could these people I adored so much (in a completely straight way) all be at best mentally ill or, at worst, cursed? These doubts about my moral upbringing only continued the more I (and my daughter - also straight) became involved with theater, an industry with a disproportionate share of GLBT. I can’t say I really “struggled” with the concept that some of my friends and family were wrong. I believed they were, and the only struggle was how confused I was that they believed what they did. But this is a religious issue, and unlike some of my GLBT friends, I acknowledge this is a religious issue to most people. But I am not one of those people, and in many ways, confusing the Supreme Court arguments this week with religion is a smoke screen.

This country was founded, in large part, on a belief that religion, while an important guiding force for all of us, should not interfere in government. It is this founding principle that allows the multitude of religions to peacefully coexist in the United States. Without that principle, our country becomes the Middle East, with wars that are really over power being disguised as wars over religion, and with large sections of the population being marginalized and discriminated against. That flies directly in the face of everything I think this country is about, and yet, it still exists, even here in the center of democracy. The GLBT issue is not a religious issue as far as the law is concerned. It can’t be. If it is, we are denying one of our most important founding principles.

Once you take religion out, however, what is left as far as the law is concerned? If a church or religion chooses to not perform marriages based on the fact that a couple does not happen to be of the opposite sexes, they have every right to do so, because, as we know, the government does not interfere with religion in this country. However, as we also know, civil unions and marriages are not performed in churches. They are a civil matter, and in such cases, for the most part, they are simply a form of civil contract, regardless of the sex of the parties. Civil marriage is essentially an agreement between two people that they will financially and emotionally support each other. Like any contract, this agreement can be dissolved with certain procedures. We call it divorce, but it amounts (even in marriages that started in a church) to a dissolution of a contract, with the financial responsibilities being assigned by a judge. I just don’t see the difference once you take religion out of it.

And we do believe that government and religion should not be in bed together (so to speak), don’t we?

For a long time we straights have had things both ways, and many, many people have emotionally and physically suffered because of that.

It’s time for a change in the law. I’m not asking anyone to change their thinking. Only to recognize that people may disagree, and that that is a good thing. Its time to put fairness back on the table.

And yes, before you ask, he’s a lawyer.

429 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 10:31:43am

re: #426 Kragar (Antichrist )

Fox News radio host: LGBT rights make Christians ‘second-class citizens’

Bullshit. What right is a Christian losing or being restricted from exercising by allowing 2 people to marry or a woman being allowed to have an abortion? Forcing the entire world to live by your bullshit rules is not a right.

Well, it infringes on their right to make anyone they don’t like into second class citizens, which makes them second class citizens, because the other people they don’t like become full class citizens and it seems there are only so many slots available in that class. Or something …

430 wrenchwench  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 10:33:21am

re: #426 Kragar (Antichrist )

“And yet, there seems to be this opinion on the other side that says, you know what, you and I don’t deserve the same rights,” he opined. “You know, it’s as if we’re second-class citizens now because we support the traditional, Biblical definition of marriage or perhaps we are pro-life, and that means we’re somehow second-class citizens who don’t deserve to be in the public marketplace of ideas.”

You’d think heterosexual marriage was about to be banned.

431 Kragar  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 10:33:34am

National Security Brief: Poll Finds Military Turning Away From GOP

The latest annual poll conducted by the Military Times has found that nearly one-third of U.S. military personnel identified themselves as Republicans, down from almost 50 percent in 2006, the Washington Times reported.

One soldier attributed the numbers to the Tea Party. “It may have to do with the rise of the Tea Party movement,” said a Marine lieutenant colonel who described himself as conservative.

“Republicans kind of used to be seen as the party that took care of the military,” said one Army sergeant first class. “But recently, there’s a feeling that that has kind of shifted, and I don’t think people feel that the party is really looking out for the military the way it used to.”

432 Lidane  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 10:34:43am

re: #430 wrenchwench

You’d think heterosexual marriage was about to be banned.

Didn’t you know? There are only a finite number of marriage licenses in this country and if we start giving them to LGBT couples, there won’t be any left for straight couples.

/////

433 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 10:36:05am

re: #428 Lidane

>>standing ovation, here!

434 ProBosniaLiberal  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 10:36:07am

re: #431 Kragar (Antichrist )

I think it would still be prudent to purge the evangelical officers from the ranks.

436 Targetpractice  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 10:36:15am

re: #432 Lidane

Didn’t you know? There are only a finite number of marriage licenses in this country and if we start giving them to LGBT couples, there won’t be any left for straight couples.

/////

We let them there gays marry, next thing you know, they’ll start forcing all a us into gay marriages!

437 gwangung  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 10:36:38am

re: #419 iossarian

Hm. So your claim that gun ownership is a “civil right” is not an attempt to “squelch debate”?

As you imply, civil rights are not absolute. There are ALWAYS balancing acts, pitting one right against another.

Saying that they are absolute is, indeed, squelching debate.

438 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 10:36:55am

re: #431 Kragar (Antichrist )

I’ve noticed this in my military friends, too, officers and enlisted alike. The sequester nonsense has made most of the officers irate as fuck, too.

439 A Mom Anon  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 10:37:34am

Since when do gun rights trump everything else? What about my right not to hear fucking gunfire while I’m gardening or having friends over for a party? After Obama was re-elected in Nov, my idiot neighbors have started using the part of their property that backs up against my property for a fucking practice range. I’ve lived here for 16 yrs. I know my neighbors have guns,they have always owned guns, they make sure everyone knows they have tons of them. In all that time I never heard a gunshot except the time they shot a rattlesnake that was too close to the house. Now I hear gunfire a few times a week.

I’ve called the cops, my neighbors are not breaking the law. So I have to put up with it because their 2nd Amendment rights are more important than my right to be outside in my own damned yard free of gunfire in the background. Because they have to prove some sort of insane point that they’re armed. There’s a fucking gun range less than 3 miles from the house and they are members, so WTF is this crap? I’ll give you a few guesses.

440 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 10:38:08am

re: #434 ProBosniaLiberal

I think it would still be prudent to purge the evangelical officers from the ranks.

To be clear, do you wan to ‘purge’ (which has violent connotations, so you should avoid using it in this context) evangelical officers on the basis of their religion or on their behavior— i.e. evangelizing improperly?

441 ProBosniaLiberal  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 10:40:11am

re: #440 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Evangelizing improperly, along with creating undue pressure against non-Christians.

Also, to make sure the right-wing doesn’t get any ideas in the future.

442 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 10:42:56am

re: #441 ProBosniaLiberal

Evangelizing improperly, along with creating undue pressure against non-Christians.

Also, to make sure the right-wing doesn’t get any ideas in the future.

You were doing so well until that last sentence.

I have no problem with your first one, but why do you have to cock it up with the unnecessarily hostile second one?

443 Political Atheist  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 10:45:55am

Wrenchwench-FYI that hostile link is why I’m going to Gaze Iossarian. Just not going to argue on his or her emotional and insulting level. A very deliberate mis-characterization IMO.
littlegreenfootballs.com

444 ProBosniaLiberal  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 10:46:44am

re: #442 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

I don’t trust them. They have gone so far over the cliff that I want to it to be a complete certainty they don’t try and do something stupid in the future. I am assuming you have seen what the nuts at Free Republic and the like have been fantasizing about?

445 wrenchwench  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 10:51:49am

re: #443 Political Atheist

Wrenchwench-FYI that hostile link is why I’m going to Gaze Iossarian. Just not going to argue on his or her emotional and insulting level. A very deliberate mis-characterization IMO.
littlegreenfootballs.com

Why are you telling me? Why not tell Iossarian instead of using the non-response of ‘gaze’?

446 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 10:52:44am

re: #412 Kragar (Antichrist )

Perkins: ‘Revolution’ Possible if ‘Court Goes Too Far’ on Marriage Equality Cases

Possible? These people have been revolting for years.

I think Perkins got confused and clutched his couch while fainting onto his pearls.
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447 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 10:53:59am

re: #444 ProBosniaLiberal

I don’t trust them. They have gone so far over the cliff that I want to it to be a complete certainty they don’t try and do something stupid in the future.

You will never get this, even if you burn down the world to do it, so quit trying. There is never complete certainty.

448 Political Atheist  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 11:05:01am

re: #445 wrenchwench

When he or she took it to that link, I said I was done and I meant it. I’m no longer going to take the time to respond to that person on this topic. The second we get to insults is the second I’m no longer interested in what they have to say.

Now you both know. Added edit-Though my #410 should have made it clear.

449 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 11:15:19am

re: #448 Political Atheist

You’ve also chosen to stop talking to me at pretty much the same time, when I haven’t offered an insult.

450 wrenchwench  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 11:20:35am

re: #448 Political Atheist

When he or she took it to that link, I said I was done and I meant it. I’m no longer going to take the time to respond to that person on this topic. The second we get to insults is the second I’m no longer interested in what they have to say.

Now you both know. Added edit-Though my #410 should have made it clear.

I believe the link you’re talking about was an autocreation by the LGF software, because the @ followed by a _ happens to be someone’s twitter handle. I couldn’t figure out what was insulting about it. The insult was in the previous line. And yeah, he shouldn’t have gone there, but I guess although I wouldn’t end the discussion over that, it’s your prerogative.

451 William of Orange  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 11:37:13am

I AM SHOCKED!!…


… that Greg Gutfeld forgot to mention that Carrey is also Canadian.

452 Political Atheist  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 12:10:32pm

re: #449 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

I have no issue with you Obdicut, I just was done with the topic. Dead horse and all that.

453 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 12:37:20pm

re: #452 Political Atheist

I have no issue with you Obdicut, I just was done with the topic. Dead horse and all that.

I just don’t understand. This is not a dead horse. We’re obviously going to be dealing with this in the future too. The horse is alive.

454 Jimmah  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 1:47:04pm

re: #423 iossarian

OH NO THE SCARY DARK FALCON TACTIC

Actually it’s worse than you think. “GAZE” was originally used by “mandy manners”, one of the more rancid long-banned wingnuts that used to post here.

She (?) used to always use it whenever anyone said anything to her that made any kind of sense.

455 Cap'n Magic  Tue, Mar 26, 2013 3:59:23pm

re: #351 Ian G.

Its when you DON’T hear from then that you should worry.


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