Report: Right-Wing Extremists ‘Highly Engaged’ With GOP on Twitter

White nationalists are big GOP boosters
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A disturbing new report from the International Centre for the Study of Radicalisation reveals some of the clandestine tactics used by white nationalists on Twitter — and shows that they’re “highly engaged” with the GOP and right wing media.

This comes as no surprise; since the election of Barack Obama the long-suppressed racism of the far right has burst back to the surface of the conservative movement in a huge way.

The report — titled “Who Matters Online: Measuring influence, Evaluating Content and Countering Violent Extremism in Online Social Networks” — originally sought to examine the way that extremists use social media to interact among themselves, in this instance focusing on white nationalists’ use of Twitter. But throughout their investigation, the study’s authors, International Centre for the Study of Radicalisation associate fellow J.M. Berger and Bill Strathearn, inadvertently discovered something interesting.

They began with 12 “seed” Twitter accounts for their unambiguous status as white nationalists. The authors then created a dataset of 3,542 Twitter users who interacted with those 12 seed accounts, of which 44 percent self-identified as white nationalists. After analyzing the interactions between the 3,542 users and the 12 seed accounts, the authors identified the 200 top-scoring accounts, of which 83 percent self-identified as white nationalists (for the top 400, the self-ID rate was 74 percent).

The real surprise came almost accidentally, when studying the content of the tweets members of the dataset sent out, with a substantial amount of it linked to the conservative movement in the United States and the Republican Party. Among the most popular hashtags used by those included in the dataset included “#tcot,” or top conservatives on Twitter; “#teaparty,” and “#gop.” The study also looked at the links these users sent out, categorized into mainstream, content-neutral, alternative, and extremist categories. More than half of the alternative links these users sent out were also to conservative websites, such as World Net Daily and breitbart.com.

The authors of the study determined that the usage seemed to be “driven more by white nationalists feeling an affinity for conservatism than by conservatives feeling an affinity for white nationalism.” They were also quick to note that the data were pulled during a period of time surrounding the Republican National Convention, potentially providing a boost in references to the GOP. However, a comparison group — composed of left-wing anarchists — did not yield similar results linking them to progressive ideals or the Democratic Party.

The full report (PDF):
Who Matters Online: Measuring influence, evaluating content and countering violent extremism in online social networks

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163 comments
1 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 11:38:24am

ThinkProg does not even mention TGDN and the links to outright white supremacist sites T*O*P C*O*N*S*E*R*V*A*T*I*V*E N*E*W*S and W*E*S*T*E*R*N J*O*U*R*N*A*L*I*S*M

2 Kragar  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 11:39:13am

A big tent, with plenty of room for white nationalists, but not women, minorities, or homosexuals.

Fuck you GOP.

3 Interesting Times  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 11:41:35am

New photoshop idea for Gus: Reince Priebus on shiny confederate flag background. Caption: GOP rebranding will continue until morale improves.

4 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 11:41:50am

re: #2 Kragar (Antichrist )

A big tent, with plenty of room for white nationalists, but not women, minorities, or homosexuals.

Fuck you GOP.

white nationalists make up part of “the base”, which they will go out of their way to avoid alienating, even as the extremists alienate the majority of American voters.

5 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 11:42:27am

My question is IF the more moderate wing of the GOP is able to drive off the extremists, where will they go? The GOP is really their only avenue by which to gain political power.

If they are shunned by Republicans, what’s left for them?

6 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 11:43:06am

re: #5 Eclectic Cyborg

My question is IF the more moderate wing of the GOP is able to drive off the extremists, where will they go? The GOP is really their only avenue by which to gain political power.

If they are shunned by Republicans, what’s left for them?

#StandWithRand

7 Kragar  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 11:44:45am

re: #5 Eclectic Cyborg

My question is IF the more moderate wing of the GOP is able to drive off the extremists, where will they go? The GOP is really their only avenue by which to gain political power.

If they are shunned by Republicans, what’s left for them?

8 darthstar  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 11:49:51am

Just saw this…

9 kirkspencer  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 11:51:20am

re: #5 Eclectic Cyborg

My question is IF the more moderate wing of the GOP is able to drive off the extremists, where will they go? The GOP is really their only avenue by which to gain political power.

If they are shunned by Republicans, what’s left for them?

Taking this as a serious question, the answer is “underground”.

gah, I hate to invoke the MBF, but I need a little “both sides” dust here. There are nutbars who are nominally part of both sides. The thing is, not all the nutbars are in charge.

What happens is that they form microparties - some blatant and official political parties (Green, Constitutional) and others just groups with common interest (PETA, Birchers). All of them will try to influence their respective parties. For many - for pretty much all that support the Democratic party and a very large number supporting the GOP - the balancing act is to influence without being so offensive and/or obvious that the party is forced to openly reject and repudiate.

What’ll happen is that the extremists will spend a little time in the desert. Then the parties will notice they have money and votes, and will offer - again - a little nod of support in return for those votes.

There are a few exceptions to this. There are a few single issue groups that hold positions so objectionable that neither side is willing to chance being associated with them. The best known example is Phelps’s Westboro Baptist Church. In a perfect world the most severe of the current GOP extremists would go there as well - personally I”m thinking of the militia/patriot/sovereign citizen types. If history repeats, however, they won’t. But the WBC gives me some hope.

10 Bulworth  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 11:51:34am

re: #8 darthstar

Nah, the TGDN shields the TCOTs from being followed or data-mined by Twitter and the Government.

/

11 iceweasel  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 11:51:50am

re: #2 Kragar (Antichrist )

A big tent, with plenty of room for white nationalists, but not women, minorities, or homosexuals.

Fuck you GOP.

The GOP big tent is made from a big white sheet.

However, a comparison group — composed of left-wing anarchists — did not yield similar results linking them to progressive ideals or the Democratic Party.

Haha. The Magical Balance Fairy is going to have problems with that!

12 darthstar  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 11:52:28am

re: #10 Bulworth

Nah, the TGDN shields the TCOTs from being followed or data-mined by Twitter and the Government.

/

So TGDN is basically the diaphragm of twitter?

13 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 11:53:38am

re: #10 Bulworth

Nah, the TGDN shields the TCOTs from being followed or data-mined by Twitter and the Government.

/

TCOT has been pretty much swarmed by spam and pr0nbots.

14 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 11:54:51am

What’s the rate of food-stamp use in “Right To Work” states?

15 Kragar  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 11:55:34am

Craig Parshall: Marriage Equality Victories Will Lead to ‘Suppression of Speech’

Craig Parshall of National Religious Broadcasters added to the torrent of right-wing doomsday prophesies about marriage equality yesterday, claiming that a Supreme Court victory for gay rights would ultimately lead to hate speech laws wielded against Christians. In an interview with his wife Janet Parshall, a talk show host with Moody Radio, he warned that “the next victim will be not just the traditional view of marriage and the health of society, but it’s going to be the free speech rights of Christians as well.”

Yeah, they might be forced to admit gay people exist.

The horror.

16 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 11:59:33am

Heh.

17 Kragar  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 12:00:07pm

Fourth football player charged in rape of Connecticut teens

A fourth high school football player has been charged in the statutory rape case involving two 13-year-old girls. According to the Associated Press, the girls have been taunted and bullied online since coming forward with their story.

A 17-year-old boy from Torrington, Connecticut was arrested on Wednesday and charged with second-degree assault and risk of injury to a minor. He, like the other three suspects charged in the attack, was a player on the Torrington High School football team.

18 Kragar  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 12:02:01pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson

Heh.

19 Kragar  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 12:04:41pm

There is no constitutional right to any sort of marriage at all. There are several sections guaranteeing equal rights for all citizens.

20 CuriousLurker  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 12:06:31pm

re: #11 iceweasel

Check it out—you made into the Emergency Cute Stuff Twitter stream, heh.


21 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 12:08:58pm

I don’t know about the “emergency” but cute stuff, for sure!

22 Interesting Times  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 12:10:12pm

re: #21 Dancing along the light of day

I don’t know about the “emergency”

As in, you need something to take your mind off the deluge of derp and despair right now.

23 stabby  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 12:11:13pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson

I’ve heard a few Muslim clerics to say that male homosexuality should be punished by death but that lesbianism obviously isn’t very bad.

Morality = what gets their dick hard
Crime = what wilts em

24 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 12:11:35pm

TGDN is on a Jim Carrey Derangement binge, like they were on a Piers Morgan Derangement binge a while ago.

I’m not a fan of Carrey. He was kinda funny in Dumb & Dumber, but his other stuff is lame, and he’s an anti-vaxxer. But this Carrey Derangement by the wingnuts is hella creepy.

25 Kragar  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 12:12:37pm

re: #24 Vicious Babushka

TGDN is on a Jim Carrey Derangement binge, like they were on a Piers Morgan Derangement binge a while ago.

I’m not a fan of Carrey. He was kinda funny in Dumb & Dumber, but his other stuff is lame, and he’s an anti-vaxxer. But this Carrey Derangement by the wingnuts is hella creepy.

“HOW DARE A B-LIST CELEBRITY MOCK OUR BELIEFS!?!?”

26 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 12:12:44pm

re: #24 Vicious Babushka

TGDN is on a Jim Carrey Derangement binge, like they were on a Piers Morgan Derangement binge a while ago.

I’m not a fan of Carrey. He was kinda funny in Dumb & Dumber, but his other stuff is lame, and he’s an anti-vaxxer. But this Carrey Derangement by the wingnuts is hella creepy.

They get a fixation on someone and it’s like the mean cheerleaders picking on the nerdy girl in the cafeteria, it just escalates

27 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 12:16:03pm

DERP RAGE HATE DERANGEMENT

28 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 12:16:21pm
29 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 12:16:41pm

(Had a little server hiccup there for a minute or two.)

30 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 12:17:29pm

DERP RAGE HATE DERANGEMENT Because why would anyone even think of hurting the POTUS?

31 kirkspencer  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 12:17:32pm

re: #27 Vicious Babushka

DERP RAGE HATE DERANGEMENT

For goo’s sake, why?

Why the f* is it any of your business what she weighs?

32 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 12:19:58pm

DERP HATE RAGE DERANGEMENT

33 aagcobb  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 12:21:29pm

re: #9 kirkspencer

Taking this as a serious question, the answer is “underground”.

gah, I hate to invoke the MBF, but I need a little “both sides” dust here. There are nutbars who are nominally part of both sides. The thing is, not all the nutbars are in charge.

What happens is that they form microparties - some blatant and official political parties (Green, Constitutional) and others just groups with common interest (PETA, Birchers). All of them will try to influence their respective parties. For many - for pretty much all that support the Democratic party and a very large number supporting the GOP - the balancing act is to influence without being so offensive and/or obvious that the party is forced to openly reject and repudiate.

What’ll happen is that the extremists will spend a little time in the desert. Then the parties will notice they have money and votes, and will offer - again - a little nod of support in return for those votes.

There are a few exceptions to this. There are a few single issue groups that hold positions so objectionable that neither side is willing to chance being associated with them. The best known example is Phelps’s Westboro Baptist Church. In a perfect world the most severe of the current GOP extremists would go there as well - personally I”m thinking of the militia/patriot/sovereign citizen types. If history repeats, however, they won’t. But the WBC gives me some hope.

Of course the problem for the white nationalists is that their numbers are shrinking while the number of nonwhites is growing. By 2016 the percentage of the nonwhite electorate is likely to hit 30%, or nearly as high a percentage of voters as identified as Republicans last November. The GOP can’t win presidential elections if it keeps losing 80% of the nonwhite vote, but it can’t improve its performance with nonwhites as long as continues to seek the racist vote. So sooner or later, and I’m not making any predictions as to when, the GOP will have to have its “Sistah Souljah” moment and move back into the mainstream.

34 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 12:21:52pm

Because dumbass, you don’t get to vote on other citizens’ freedoms.

35 danarchy  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 12:22:37pm

re: #25 Kragar (Antichrist )

“HOW DARE A B-LIST CELEBRITY MOCK OUR BELIEFS!?!?”

B-List? Sheesh, I am not a Jim Carrey fan, but if I guy who makes $20+ milion per movie is B list who gets on the A list?

36 kirkspencer  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 12:23:23pm

re: #34 Vicious Babushka

Because dumbass, you don’t get to vote on other citizens’ freedoms.

alternately, every time interracial marriage was voted on by the people it went down in defeat. Still think that argument is worthwhile?

37 aagcobb  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 12:23:31pm

re: #34 Vicious Babushka

Because dumbass, you don’t get to vote on other citizens’ freedoms.

And as of last November he is wrong, the dumbass.

38 stabby  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 12:24:29pm

re: #33 aagcobb

Of course the problem for the white nationalists is that their numbers are shrinking while the number of nonwhites is growing. By 2016 the percentage of the nonwhite electorate is likely to hit 30%, or nearly as high a percentage of voters as identified as Republicans last November. The GOP can’t win presidential elections if it keeps losing 80% of the nonwhite vote, but it can’t improve its performance with nonwhites as long as continues to seek the racist vote. So sooner or later, and I’m not making any predictions as to when, the GOP will have to have its “Sistah Souljah” moment and move back into the mainstream.

How is that possible when it means not only giving up the racists but also giving up the money fascists who are trying to destroy every program for the poorer half of the country? They’d have to kill Grover Norquist and The Club for Growth and the fiscal part of the tea party.

What does that leave them with, the religious nuts? They’re losers too!

39 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 12:24:56pm

re: #34 Vicious Babushka

Because dumbass, you don’t get to vote on other citizens’ freedoms.

That was the argument Arizona used against the Martin Luther King holiday, it was voted down in a referendum, Then they were hit by a series of boycotts of their resorts and hotels and finally relented.

40 Dr. Matt  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 12:26:07pm

re: #35 danarchy

who gets on the A list?

She does

41 stabby  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 12:28:13pm

re: #34 Vicious Babushka

He didn’t notice the gay marriage winning in Maryland and Maine in 2012, nor the fact that a majority supports it nationwide

42 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 12:31:30pm

re: #35 danarchy

B-List? Sheesh, I am not a Jim Carrey fan, but if I guy who makes $20+ milion per movie is B list who gets on the A list?

I was about to say the same thing.

43 Lidane  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 12:32:19pm
44 Kragar  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 12:34:09pm

‘Cockroaches’: Liberty’s Mat Staver Denounces Portman, Priebus and Rove on Same-Sex Marriage

[Staver] later cited California’s law barring the use of ex-gay therapy on minors as an example of how gay rights represent “a direct assault on the very core of our liberties and morality, marriage and even God.”

Staver described Rob Portman, Karl Rove and Reince Priebus as “cockroaches” which “start running” once “you flip on the lights” over their comments on gay marriage, and Eliason said of the Log Cabin Republicans: “Is there nobody to clean the cockroaches out?”

After discussing George W. Bush’s failure to pass the Federal Marriage Amendment, Staver joined other Religious Right leaders like Mike Huckabee, Tony Perkins and Gary Bauer in warning about the emergence of a “third party” and a “mass exodus” from the GOP “if the Republican Party were to adopt same-sex marriage.”

45 Bulworth  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 12:35:14pm

re: #34 Vicious Babushka

Because dumbass, you don’t get to vote on other citizens’ freedoms.

Are we in bizzaro world or something where last November’s elections never happened? WTF? Hey, I’m just asking questions here.

46 stabby  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 12:35:47pm

I read a wingnut woman the other day commiserating over gay marriage, saying that she can almost stand the gays, but that there are plenty of hedonists out there and she hates them so much that it makes her want to oppose gay marriage and everything else.

I’m guessing that her sex life sucks.

47 Bulworth  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 12:36:27pm

re: #27 Vicious Babushka

OK, the derps are just trolling themselves now….

48 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 12:37:27pm

re: #46 stabby

I read a wingnut woman the other day commiserating over gay marriage, saying that she can almost stand the gays, but that there are plenty of hedonists out there and she hates them so much that it makes her want to oppose gay marriage and everything else.

I’m guessing that her sex life sucks.

What exactly qualifies one as a “hedonist”?

49 Bulworth  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 12:37:46pm

re: #34 Vicious Babushka

Because dumbass, you don’t get to vote on other citizens’ freedoms.

Are these people purposely dense or just outright mentally challenged? Hey, I’m just asking questions here!

50 Skip Intro  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 12:38:08pm

re: #34 Vicious Babushka

Isn’t that the exact thing that the four time married, fat Florida drug addict said yesterday, that was debunked almost immediately after?

51 engineer cat  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 12:42:46pm

“This is a progressive bonanza,” Beck warned, “and if it’s allowed to be in our schools in any form and become the common core of America’s next generation, it will destroy America and the system of freedom as we know it … The corporations and the government are in bed together and this is evil stuff”

beck blaming progressives for the one thing that actual progressives have feared the most and fought against since even before teddy roosevelt?

diabolical

52 stabby  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 12:42:57pm

re: #48 Eclectic Cyborg

What exactly qualifies one as a “hedonist”?

An undeserving person who manages to be happier than you on a regular basis? /

If conservatives hate the poor for getting money they didn’t earn, imagine how much more offended they are by unrepentant sinners having happier lives than they do!

53 Ian G.  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 12:44:25pm

re: #34 Vicious Babushka

Because dumbass, you don’t get to vote on other citizens’ freedoms.

I guess Washington, Maryland, and Maine don’t count. They’re fake ‘murka, or something.

54 engineer cat  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 12:44:27pm

re: #43 Lidane

they left out disney, a big supporter of equal rights for lgtb

55 Lidane  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 12:45:49pm

re: #54 engineer cat

they left out disney, a big supporter of equal rights for lgtb

Disney is there, along with ABC and Marvel. Right hand column, all the way down.

56 lawhawk  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 12:45:57pm

re: #43 Lidane

And that’s an incomplete list. Others looking to see DOMA repealed include Thomson Reuters, Viacom, Exelon, Mariott, Google, Orbitz, and Aetna.

The number of big Fortune 500 companies that are looking to see DOMA overturned is such that it’s hard to avoid doing business with all of them (there are big pharma, insurers, retailers, wholesalers, media companies, and manufacturers).

57 Ian G.  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 12:46:22pm

re: #44 Kragar (Antichrist )

‘Cockroaches’: Liberty’s Mat Staver Denounces Portman, Priebus and Rove on Same-Sex Marriage

“Clear the cockroaches out” sounds exactly like something said by the Hutu Interahamwe before they started hacking up the Tutsi by the hundreds of thousands.

58 engineer cat  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 12:46:32pm

every time gay marriage has been voted on by the people it has gone down to defeat

in the 1780s, the word was that throughout history, all democracies ended up as dictatorships

59 engineer cat  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 12:47:27pm

re: #55 Lidane

Disney is there, along with ABC and Marvel. Right hand column, all the way down.

i’m submitting a bug report that the list is incompletely alphabetized

60 stabby  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 12:48:21pm

re: #59 engineer cat

You should use photoshop to alphabetize it.

Could take a while.

61 Gus  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 12:51:20pm

re: #43 Lidane

Twitter on there? =)

62 efuseakay  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 12:53:31pm

We need a report for something so obvious?

63 lawhawk  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 12:53:51pm

re: #61 Gus

They should be. They’re on the amicus brief.

Days after prominent Republicans said they were signing a legal brief arguing that gay couples have a right to marry, 278 employers have filed an amicus brief in the Supreme Court, arguing the same thing.

The businesses include Apple Inc., Broadcom Corp., Citigroup Inc., Facebook Inc., Johnson & Johnson, Marriott International Inc., Microsoft, Orbitz, Starbucks, Twitter and the Walt Disney Co. Chambers of Commerce in San Diego, Boston, Portland, Seattle and San Francisco also joined the brief.

64 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 12:54:37pm

I can’t say I’m surprised.

If you ever go over to Stormfront, they openly talk about infiltrating the Teabaggers and swinging them over to White Nationalism.

I can imagine it’s not too difficult a task.

65 Lidane  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 12:57:05pm

re: #61 Gus

Twitter on there? =)

Nope. Just noticed that.

Personally, I think that someone should spam the bigots with the fact that Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, and Google all support marriage equality. Tell them to boycott all of them. Hah.

66 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 12:57:11pm

re: #57 Ian G.

“Clear the cockroaches out” sounds exactly like something said by the Hutu Interahamwe before they started hacking up the Tutsi by the hundreds of thousands.

Dehumanization is requisite to extermination, the logical end result of extremism.

67 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 12:57:14pm

re: #44 Kragar (Antichrist )

‘Cockroaches’: Liberty’s Mat Staver Denounces Portman, Priebus and Rove on Same-Sex Marriage

After discussing George W. Bush’s failure to pass the Federal Marriage Amendment, Staver joined other Religious Right leaders like Mike Huckabee, Tony Perkins and Gary Bauer in warning about the emergence of a “third party” and a “mass exodus” from the GOP “if the Republican Party were to adopt same-sex marriage.”

That was one of the factors that brought Sarah Palin on board the McCain campaign in 2008: the fundamentalist right threatened to run its own candidate because McCain was “too soft” on social issues. And it certainly scuppered his first choice for VP, Joe Liebermann.

68 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 12:57:42pm

re: #45 Bulworth

Are we in bizzaro world or something where last November’s elections never happened? WTF? Hey, I’m just asking questions here.

They happened but they do not count because free stuff, etc.

69 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 12:58:39pm

re: #49 Bulworth

Are these people purposely dense or just outright mentally challenged? Hey, I’m just asking questions here!

It’s an odd snyergy: there are some massive cynics who know better and they manipluate the dumb masses to keep up the drumbeat.

70 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 12:59:40pm

re: #57 Ian G.

“Clear the cockroaches out” sounds exactly like something said by the Hutu Interahamwe before they started hacking up the Tutsi by the hundreds of thousands.

Is that like a Godwin but with Ruwanda? A Ruadwin?

71 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 1:00:25pm

Uh oh…

72 Kragar  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 1:01:38pm

Boehner Quotes Lincoln, But Omits Part About Raising Taxes

In the memo, Boehner used Lincoln’s words, as quoted in the book “Congressman Lincoln.”

The book Congressman Lincoln by Chris DeRose, which I recently read, includes a chapter focused on Abraham Lincoln’s efforts to help craft a new national agenda. At one point in the book, young Lincoln warns that government debt is “growing with a rapidity fearful to contemplate.”

“[Government debt] is a system not only ruinous while it lasts, but one that must soon fail and leave us destitute,” Lincoln warns his countrymen in Congressman Lincoln. “An individual who undertakes to live by borrowing, soon finds his original means devoured by interest, and next no one left to borrow from – so must it be with a government.”

But as Johnson pointed out, Boehner left out Lincoln’s lamentation that the debt was created by an “unwillingness either to increase the tariff or resort to direct taxation.”

73 Kragar  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 1:02:53pm

re: #71 NJDhockeyfan

Uh oh…

Stupid Health Dept. Don’t they know the free market would take care of that kind of thing on its own? Why are they interfering with the dentist’s business?

74 stabby  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 1:03:41pm

re: #70 Sol Berdinowitz

Is that like a Godwin but with Ruwanda? A Ruadwin?

Hitler said stuff like that too.

75 Big Steve  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 1:05:37pm

re: #72 Kragar (Antichrist )

Boehner Quotes Lincoln, But Omits Part About Raising Taxes

And conveniently forgets that Lincoln financed the North’s entire Civil War effort through government bonds and debt that Salmon Chase sold to wealthy Northerners.

76 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 1:05:43pm

re: #71 NJDhockeyfan

Uh oh…

Lawsuits, ho!

77 Lidane  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 1:05:47pm

OBUMMER IS DESTROYING AMERICA! WE’RE BECOMING GREECE!

78 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 1:06:37pm

re: #76 Eclectic Cyborg

Lawsuits, ho!

My brother lives there. I need to call him.

79 Charles Johnson  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 1:06:40pm

re: #77 Lidane

Breaking News: Broad S.&P. 500 Stock Index Closes at Record High

… GOP despondent.

80 Bulworth  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 1:06:51pm

re: #77 Lidane

Soshulism Marxist anti-colonialist hates Amercia. /

81 Kragar  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 1:06:55pm

re: #77 Lidane

Proof that corporations are involved with Obama’s SYSTEM X!

82 stabby  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 1:07:42pm

re: #64 Dr Lizardo

Pointing out the racists among the tea party among British wingnut fans, gets the most outraged responses you can imagine. One guy tried to find ways to get revenge on me for it, others went nuts with insults.

Not because these people are racists, but because they idolize American wingnuts… Amazing eh? But I suppose the British left idolizes the Palestinians, so there’s some kind of crazy constant across the British political spectrum.

83 dragonath  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 1:07:54pm
The authors of the study determined that the usage seemed to be “driven more by white nationalists feeling an affinity for conservatism than by conservatives feeling an affinity for white nationalism.”

Hey, “moderates”- does the fact that your party’s platform attracts white supremacists give you pause?

HEY LOOK A TEACHER’S UNION

84 Kragar  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 1:08:59pm

re: #83 dragonath

Hey, “moderates”- does the fact that your party’s platform attracts white supremacists give you pause?

Its a big tent.

85 BongCrodny  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 1:09:29pm

re: #32 Vicious Babushka

DERP HATE RAGE DERANGEMENT

Minnesota’s 6th Congressional District gave us Michele Bachman.

So the “Mad Voter in MN” nom de tweet seems entirely appropriate.

86 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 1:09:31pm

re: #3 Interesting Times

New photoshop idea for Gus: Reince Priebus on shiny confederate flag background. Caption: GOP rebranding will continue until morale improves.

Not Gus, but here ya’ go anyway:
Rebranding

87 Lidane  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 1:09:43pm
88 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 1:10:13pm

re: #82 stabby

Pointing out the racists among the tea party among British wingnut fans, gets the most outraged responses you can imagine. One guy tried to find ways to get revenge on me for it, others went nuts with insults.

Not because these people are racists, but because they idolize American wingnuts… Amazing eh? But I suppose the British left idolizes the Palestinians, so there’s some kind of crazy constant across the British political spectrum.

British politics is wacky. Though I must say, I do wonder how UKIP will fare in the next general election. They’ve been enjoying something of a surge lately.

89 Ian G.  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 1:10:28pm

re: #84 Kragar (Antichrist )

Its a big tent.

That excludes women, African-Americans, Latinos, Asians, homosexuals, public employees, unionized workers, atheists/agnostics, college professors, scientists, actors/musicians/writers……

90 Bulworth  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 1:11:14pm

re: #89 Ian G.

And apparently entire states, like Maryland, Washington State and Maine, too.

91 Kragar  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 1:12:04pm

re: #89 Ian G.

That excludes women, African-Americans, Latinos, Asians, homosexuals, public employees, unionized workers, atheists/agnostics, college professors, scientists, actors/musicians/writers……

So they’ve got a lot of room in there.

92 Big Steve  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 1:12:27pm

re: #34 Vicious Babushka

Because dumbass, you don’t get to vote on other citizens’ freedoms.

Technically speaking, yes we do get to vote on other citizen’s freedoms. Any legislative body from city council’s on up has the authority to regulate behavior by restriction of freedoms so long as a higher law (such as the Constitution) does not conflict. Many of those same bodies can do this through elections. In Texas we have multiple state constitution changes in every election cycle. So yes we do get to vote on other citizen’s rights but, as is the case in marriage equality, does that conflict with higher ranking law. Now whether it is right to vote to restrict other’s behaviors is a whole another matter and well worth the debate.

93 stabby  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 1:12:36pm

re: #88 Dr Lizardo

I think they look for victims to champion.

To the left the Palestinians are the ultimate victims.
To the right, hard working white heterosexual Christian males.

94 engineer cat  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 1:12:58pm

re: #75 Big Steve

And conveniently forgets that Lincoln financed the North’s entire Civil War effort through government bonds and debt that Salmon Chase sold to wealthy Northerners.

where are the presidential candidates running on a good old 19th century platform of raising the tariff rates to bring down the deficit?

we’ve already heard from the GOP this year 19th century arguments for racism, slavery, exclusion of immigrants not from northern europe, child labor, anti-union laws, repeal of consumer and workplace protections, and even 17th century arguments for the establishment of christianity as the national religion - why not tariffs?

95 dragonath  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 1:13:13pm

So do we get to blow up this gigantic rotting elephant corpse with dynamite, or what?

96 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 1:13:19pm

re: #93 stabby

I think they look for victims to champion.

To the left the Palestinians are the ultimate victims.
To the right, hard working white heterosexual Christian males who pay income tax.

FTFY

97 Kragar  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 1:15:00pm

Sarah Palin says she’ll help pick candidates, play significant role in 2014 midterm elections in fiery new ad

“Don’t let the big consultants, the big money men and the big bad media scare you off,” Palin is heard saying in a voiceover.

“Now is the time to furlough the consultants, tune out the pollsters, send the focus groups home, and toss the political scripts,” she says. “It’s time for we the people to break up the cronyism and that goes for finding candidates, looking to our communities, our PTAs, our service clubs, small businesses, tea party rallies, city halls.”

“Please proceed.”

98 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 1:15:00pm

re: #95 dragonath

So do we get to blow up this gigantic rotting elephant corpse with dynamite, or what?

let the cockroaches eat it and then sell the tusks for ivory

99 engineer cat  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 1:15:07pm

re: #87 Lidane

Seriously guys, the Dow hasn’t closed this high since the early Renaissance.

it’s a very effective demonstration of how wall st can make tons of money without it having a positive effect on the economic well being of most americans

so, thank you so much, free market economists

100 Big Steve  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 1:15:11pm

re: #79 Charles Johnson

… GOP despondent.

one Republican here who is thrilled with the stock market at the moment.

101 Bulworth  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 1:16:04pm
“Don’t let the big consultants, the big money men and the big bad media scare you off,” Palin is heard saying in a voiceover.

“big, bad media”? Seriously? The woman speaks like a child.

102 Lidane  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 1:16:16pm

re: #97 Kragar (Antichrist )

Sarah Palin says she’ll help pick candidates, play significant role in 2014 midterm elections in fiery new ad

“Please proceed.”

2014 is going to be hilarious. I can’t wait to see Princess Dumbass of the Northwoods trying to assert herself as a kingmaker.

103 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 1:16:20pm

re: #97 Kragar (Antichrist )

Sarah Palin says she’ll help pick candidates, play significant role in 2014 midterm elections in fiery new ad

“Please proceed.”

So she is working on her “comeback”, play a big role in their “triumphal recovery” in 2014 (which is how they will sell it regardless of the outcome, although they are likely to gain seats nonetheless) and then position herself as Kingmaker in 2016.

104 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 1:17:18pm

re: #93 stabby

True. When I read the British press, in particular the comments, I often get the full spectrum of left to right. I did have a brief conversation with a rather obvious troll on the Guardian site, and his/her sense of humor matched mine. We were discussing the merits of roasted swan and grilled panda, and which endangered species made the best entrees, while drinking €1,000 a bottles of wine and tossing scraps to the plebians.

105 stabby  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 1:18:04pm

re: #101 Bulworth

I’m trying to imagine an administration where both president and vice couldn’t put a sentence together.

Imagine President Palin and vice GW Bush, or better yet, Dan Quayle.

106 Big Steve  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 1:19:28pm

While celebrating the Dow here keep in mind that the US Bond market has five times the capital than the equities market and the US Bond indexes are down for the year (Barclays US Aggregate is -0.1% YTD)

107 freetoken  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 1:19:43pm

re: #105 stabby

Imagine President Palin and vice GW Bush, or better yet, Dan Quayle.

Speaking of the latter, I see that NRO has been trying to refurbish his legacy.

108 dragonath  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 1:20:31pm

re: #105 stabby

I’m trying to imagine an administration where both president and vice couldn’t put a sentence together.

Imagine President Palin and vice GW Bush, or better yet, Dan Quayle.

Harding and Coolidge?

109 wrenchwench  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 1:20:57pm

re: #106 Big Steve

While celebrating the Dow here keep in mind that the US Bond market has five times the capital than the equities market and the US Bond indexes are down for the year (Barclays US Aggregate is -0.1% YTD)

Magical Imbalance Fairy?

110 engineer cat  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 1:21:33pm

re: #97 Kragar (Antichrist )

Sarah Palin says she’ll help pick candidates, play significant role in 2014 midterm elections in fiery new ad

thank you, ms palin, for your invaluable contribution to the breakup and destruction of the republican party as we know it

111 gwangung  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 1:22:54pm

re: #109 wrenchwench

Magical Imbalance Fairy?

Financial rule of thumb, from what I heard.

112 dragonath  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 1:23:16pm

I have a Truman book where he spends a whole chapter putting down Warren Harding.

“Normalcy! That probably isn’t even a real word!”

113 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 1:24:03pm

re: #110 engineer cat

thank you, ms palin, for your invaluable contribution to the breakup and destruction of the republican party as we know it

I begin to wonder if her strategy is not really to win back power in 2016 but to win over control of the GOP

114 lawhawk  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 1:25:00pm

re: #99 engineer cat

Corporate profits are being generated by running more efficiently - fewer workers doing more work and except for the top tier managers of companies, workers are not benefiting from greater after tax profits. Cash positions are going not to rewarding workers who have seen wages stagnate, but going into a new round of acquisitions.

At the same time, since many people do have 401k plans and watched them crater in 2007-2009 during the meltdown may be rejoicing over the rebound since. If these folks had continued to devote the same amount of money into their 401k plans, they would have reaped a significant benefit from dollar cost averaging.

Likewise, those in pension plans would have seen those pension rebound with more solvent positions.

But the trickle down effect has been just that - a trickle.

115 Gus  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 1:25:56pm

re: #59 engineer cat

i’m submitting a bug report that the list is incompletely alphabetized

116 Big Steve  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 1:26:31pm

re: #109 wrenchwench

Magical Imbalance Fairy?

Actually for those who are Bond Market wonks, the fact that the bond market is only off slightly during an equities run up is good news. There are all sorts of “experts” predicting a bubble burst in the bond market that would be triggered by people falling in love with stocks again. So far hasn’t happened which is further good news for the overall economy.

117 Gus  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 1:26:46pm

If you click on the pic link you get the full size version. I made it readable for old farts like myself. :D

118 stabby  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 1:27:52pm

re: #107 freetoken

I saw graffiti on a wall in Berkeley CA that read:

“Shoot Quayle first!”

Someone worried about having a moron in the whitehouse.

119 Kragar  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 1:28:16pm

Understanding Glenn Beck’s Common Core Conspiracy Theory

Despite the fact that we spend hours every day watching Glenn Beck’s radio and television programs, we are often completely mystified by whatever “point” it is he is trying to make because … well, the ravings of a paranoid conspiracy theorist are generally kind of hard to follow.

Case in point was last night’s program where Beck warned that the government and corporations had teamed up to implement something he calls “System X’ designed to turn the nation’s schoolchildren into cogs in a corporate machine.

120 freetoken  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 1:29:22pm

Raw Story runs with the catchy headline (as if they have other kinds): Study: Archeologists find remains of human-Neanderthal hybrid

It references this study published yesterday:

Possible Interbreeding in Late Italian Neanderthals? New Data from the Mezzena Jaw (Monti Lessini, Verona, Italy)

The RawStory writer includes the following in the story:

[…]

Scientists have debated the theory of human-Neanderthal interbreeding since DNA analysis revealed in 2010 that modern humans share significant portions of their genetic code with their long extinct cousins.

Studies since then have suggested that inbreeding might not have been the case and that humans and Neanderthals instead likely shared a common ancestor before Neanderthals died out about 50,000 years ago, but the findings in PLoS One seem to contradict that thinking.


[…]

Problem is the author then links to just one RawStory article (not studies) which itself was a Guardian piece covering one study that tried to show that Paabo’s work (on interbreeding) was not the most parsimonious given the data. However, as that earlier RawStory article stated Paabo was working on another paper that would have made this objection moot. Which it did. So why is now RawStory trying to reset the discussion backwards?

Anyway, the PlosOne paper authors offer up as one explanation (for the modern-like jaw morphology) the possibility that the human in question was indeed a hybrid between the Neanderthal and AMH populations.

What the RawStory article doesn’t include is the fact that there have been other late Neanderthal skeletons discovered whose morphology is shifted towards those of AMH. Indeed, the PlosOne paper even mentions that, but RawStory just drops it on the floor.

Anyway, interesting anthropology news, but once again the “media” (can we call RawStory that?) doesn’t quite report it accurately.

121 Big Steve  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 1:29:51pm

re: #115 Gus

How does a company get on the list? I know that one of my former employers Shell Oil years ago extended all of its benefit programs to domestic partners. Since they are not on the list there must be some other criteria right?

122 darthstar  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 1:29:51pm

By now, anyone on twitter or facebook has seen the equal avatars supporting gay marriage. Well, the assholeArchbishop of San Francisco added his own image to facebook.

Image: 306084_513674285346020_2119757600_n.jpg

123 stabby  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 1:30:44pm

re: #119 Kragar (Antichrist )

Corporate machine? Heh, imagine his fans when he turns into a raving leftist.

You know before he went to Fox, he did a show ranting about health care and… wait for it… demanding socialized care.

Of course after he moved to Fox, socialized care was proof of Nazism and Islamism.

124 freetoken  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 1:31:31pm

The nature of the “media” to “push the peanut” especially regarding science is frustrating.

125 Gus  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 1:32:10pm
126 Lidane  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 1:32:13pm

re: #121 Big Steve

How does a company get on the list? I know that one of my former employers Shell Oil years ago extended all of its benefit programs to domestic partners. Since they are not on the list there must be some other criteria right?

I believe those are the companies that signed off on the amicus briefs to overturn DOMA and/or Prop 8.

127 erik_t  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 1:32:37pm

re: #122 darthstar

By now, anyone on twitter or facebook has seen the equal avatars supporting gay marriage. Well, the assholeArchbishop of San Francisco added his own image to facebook.

Image: 306084_513674285346020_2119757600_n.jpg

He wants to divide the Body of Christ?

Great messaging, dipshit.

128 Bulworth  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 1:32:49pm

re: #122 darthstar

yeah, I saw that. Good grief. Well, at least it makes them come right out and state explicitly that yes, they are for division and exclusion.

(even though as we know it is only PBO who is dividing Amercians./)

129 Kragar  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 1:32:49pm

re: #123 stabby

Corporate machine? Heh, imagine his fans when he turns into a raving leftist.

You know before he went to Fox, he did a show ranting about health care and… wait for it… demanding socialized care.

Of course after he moved to Fox, socialized care was proof of Nazism and Islamism.

I think Glenn fell asleep listening to Pink Floyd as he was reading Ayn Rand.

130 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 1:33:12pm

How is it today all?

Does anyone else think that the Supreme Court is going to bounce Same-Sex Marriage back to the States? I think they are going to wimp out on making an definitive decision.

131 lawhawk  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 1:33:32pm

re: #121 Big Steve

They are among the companies that either joined the amicus brief ahead of the Supreme Court’s DOMA decision or have publicly indicated their support for equal benefits for gay couples.

132 stabby  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 1:34:42pm

re: #122 darthstar

Asshole is right

51 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:

52 For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three.

53 The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

133 Skip Intro  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 1:34:50pm

re: #125 Gus

With both Amazon and Barnes and Noble on that list, I guess the wingnuts will be buying their Ann Coulter/Glenn Beck books at Chick-fil-A from now on.

134 Dr. Matt  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 1:35:50pm

re: #97 Kragar (Antichrist )

Sarah Palin says she’ll help pick candidates, play significant role in 2014 midterm elections in fiery new ad

For someone who spends every waking moment whining about the media, in that sham of a video she certainly embraces what the media says about her.

135 kirkspencer  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 1:36:00pm

re: #127 erik_t

He wants to divide the Body of Christ?

Great messaging, dipshit.

No, he’s referencing one of the “war” passages of the Bible. The part where Jesus says (paraphrase) “I’m not here to unite the world but to divide it between the faithful and the damned. No other alliance, be it blood, marriage, tribe, or oath shall overcome this division.”

In other words, if you’re pro gay marriage you’re damned.

136 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 1:36:46pm

re: #135 kirkspencer

No, he’s referencing one of the “war” passages of the Bible. The part where Jesus says (paraphrase) “I’m not here to unite the world but to divide it between the faithful and the damned. No other alliance, be it blood, marriage, tribe, or oath shall overcome this division.”

In other words, if you’re pro gay marriage you’re damned.

I’ve been damned for along time. Dogs and I will enjoy the Oreos in Hell. I’m looking forward to it.

137 Kragar  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 1:37:22pm

re: #135 kirkspencer

No, he’s referencing one of the “war” passages of the Bible. The part where Jesus says (paraphrase) “I’m not here to unite the world but to divide it between the faithful and the damned. No other alliance, be it blood, marriage, tribe, or oath shall overcome this division.”

In other words, if you’re pro gay marriage you’re damned.

What is the penalty for covering up for child molesters?

138 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 1:37:27pm

re: #97 Kragar (Antichrist )

Sarah Palin says she’ll help pick candidates, play significant role in 2014 midterm elections in fiery new ad

“Please proceed.”

Can’t wait to see that blow up in the Republicans faces!

139 kirkspencer  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 1:37:54pm

re: #136 FemNaziBitch

I’ve been damned for along time. Dogs and I will enjoy the Oreos in Hell. I’m looking forward to it.

I’ll try to remember to bring a couple of glasses of milk.

140 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 1:38:13pm

Good friends just posted their 10 year Anniversary notice on FB.

Even without Federal recognition, it has been through good times and bad times, through sickness and health, and through lack and propsperity.
It will be until death do us part

G-d Bless them.

141 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 1:38:41pm

re: #137 Kragar (Antichrist )

What is the penalty for covering up for child molesters?

serving in Congress?

142 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 1:39:16pm

re: #139 kirkspencer

I’ll try to remember to bring a couple of glasses of milk.

FRESH COFFEE!!!!

143 Skip Intro  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 1:39:55pm

re: #134 Dr. Matt

For someone who spends every waking moment whining about the media, in that sham of a video she certainly embraces what the media says about her.

My take on that ad is that SarahPac is running low on dough, and Sarah’s lifestyle requires a refill.

144 kirkspencer  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 1:40:06pm

re: #142 FemNaziBitch

FRESH COFFEE!!!!

With Oreos? No, no, won’t do. Save the coffee for the rest of the meals.

145 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 1:40:43pm

re: #144 kirkspencer

With Oreos? No, no, won’t do. Save the coffee for the rest of the meals.

I drink Coffee, with cream and sugar, with everything.

146 freetoken  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 1:41:06pm

Prehistoric phallus among ancient findings in northern Israel

Stone Age artifacts uncovered on the route of a planned rail line show a developed culture 9,000 years ago

Phallus = “developed culture”.

What would Bryan Fischer think?

147 Skip Intro  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 1:42:40pm

re: #146 freetoken

Prehistoric phallus among ancient findings in northern Israel

Phallus = “developed culture”.

What would Bryan Fischer think?

He won’t get past the “9,000 years ago”.

148 Gus  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 1:43:01pm
149 erik_t  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 1:44:17pm

re: #148 Gus

Gotta be honest, this guy is growing on me. Nothing more entertaining than pissing off fundamentalists/traditionalists, no matter the sect.

150 erik_t  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 1:44:54pm

re: #148 Gus

Also re: Benedict:

“It is not in soul-searching or constant introspection that we encounter the Lord.”

BURN

151 Skip Intro  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 1:45:28pm

re: #149 erik_t

Gotta be honest, this guy is growing on me. Nothing more entertaining than pissing off fundamentalists/traditionalists, no matter the sect.

Someone needs to check if the People of God on FR have seen this yet. Someone needs to, just not me.

152 CuriousLurker  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 1:47:24pm

re: #148 Gus

Oh, shit. I can hear the heads exploding. Santorum, Scalia, oh my…

Next: MB infiltrates Vatican, Pope is Muslim

Damn, now the wingnuts are gonna seriously start hating on Catholics.

153 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 1:47:59pm

re: #149 erik_t

Gotta be honest, this guy is growing on me. Nothing more entertaining than pissing off fundamentalists/traditionalists, no matter the sect.

hmmm, washing the feet of a muslim woman is a gesture. Allowing her to make her own reproductive choices —that would be recognizing her humanity.

I’ve been RC too long to be taken in by gestures.

154 Gus  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 1:50:04pm

re: #152 CuriousLurker

Oh, shit. I can hear the heads exploding. Santorum, Scalia, oh my…

Next: MB infiltrates Vatican, Pope is Muslim

Damn, now the wingnuts are gonna seriously start hating on Catholics.

He heard the splodey heads popping the second I saw that.

155 CuriousLurker  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 1:50:19pm

re: #152 CuriousLurker

Oh, shit. I can hear the heads exploding. Santorum, Scalia, oh my…

Next: MB infiltrates Vatican, Pope is Muslim

Damn, now the wingnuts are gonna seriously start hating on Catholics.

I wonder if Geller & Spencer know yet. *giggle*

156 erik_t  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 1:51:11pm

re: #153 FemNaziBitch

hmmm, washing the feet of a muslim woman is a gesture. Allowing her to make her own reproductive choices —that would be recognizing her humanity.

I’ve been RC too long to be taken in by gestures.

At least it’s a gesture in the right direction. Better than that last dick on the throne.

157 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 1:55:06pm

re: #154 Gus

He heard the splodey heads popping the second I saw that.

Jiffy Pop!

158 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 1:55:39pm

re: #156 erik_t

At least it’s a gesture in the right direction. Better than that last dick on the throne.

Makes no difference. Nothing will change. New Pope, same as the old Pope. Maybe different shoes.

IIRC, Benedict had a Muslim Iman to some celebration

159 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 1:56:09pm

re: #148 Gus

I really like this guy.

160 kirkspencer  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 1:57:07pm

re: #158 FemNaziBitch

Makes no difference. Nothing will change. New Pope, same as the old Pope. Maybe different shoes.

As I said at the election, I’ll wait six months. By then we’ll no if it’s nothing, little, or some that changes. It won’t be all, but there are these hints some is possible.

161 Lidane  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 2:04:21pm

GOP rebranding at its finest:

162 Christopher's Bitchins  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 2:21:46pm

re: #148 Gus

Sorry, but this little P.R. push isn’t nearly enough to convince me of anything. Clean house our it is just image, nothing more.

163 Christopher's Bitchins  Thu, Mar 28, 2013 2:23:04pm

As a matter of fact, the similarities between the catholic church and the GOP are pretty striking.


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