Dr. Ben Carson Thinks the Earth Was Created 6000 Years Ago

Famed neurosurgeon believes in magic
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So, everyone knows that Dr. Ben Carson, the right wing’s latest hero, is a young earth creationist, right? A May 2012 article at the Washington Post has the details:

An unusual controversy has erupted at Emory University over the choice of famed neurosurgeon Ben Carson to deliver this year’s commencement address because he does not believe in evolution.

Nearly 500 professors, student and alumni signed a letter (see full text below) expressing concern that Carson, as a 7th Day Adventist, believes in creationist theory that holds that all life on Earth was created by God about 6,000 years ago. It rejects Darwin’s theory of evolution, which is the central principle that animates modern biology, uniting all biological fields under one theoretical tent, and which virtually all modern scientists agree is true.

The letter’s authors are not seeking to have Carson disinvited. Instead, they say it was written to raise concerns about his anti-scientific views.

UPDATE at 3/31/13 7:42:21 pm

The full text of the letter signed by 500 professors, students, and alumni of Emory University:

To the Editor:

We are writing to call the attention of the Emory Community to this year’s commencement speaker’s denial of evolution. Dr. Ben Carson is a world-renowned neurosurgeon, who has advanced medicine and who has supported the education of countless children through his philanthropic organization. These accomplishments can provide a great inspiration to graduating Emory students. But, as those students, their families, and the Emory Community listen to his speech, we ask you to also consider the enormous positive impact of science on our lives and how that science rests squarely on the shoulders of evolution.

What is most deeply concerning about Dr. Carson’s dismissal of evolution is that he equates the acceptance of evolution with a lack of ethics and morality. In an interview published on the Adventist Review website he states, “Ultimately, if you accept the evolutionary theory, you dismiss ethics, you don’t have to abide by a set of moral codes, you determine your own conscience based on your own desires.”

Dr. Carson insists on not seeing a difference between science, which is predictive and falsifiable, and religious belief systems, which by their very nature cannot be falsified. This is especially troubling since his great achievements in medicine allow him to be viewed as someone who “understands science.”

Accepting evolution, and the scientific method in general, are not at odds with being moral or religious, as is well demonstrated by strongly religious scientists, and political and academic leaders, including Francis Collins (director of the National Institutes of Health), President Jimmy Carter, and many of the faculty and students who will be attending commencement on May 14th.

Dr. Carson argues that there is no evidence for evolution, that there are no transitional fossils that provide evidence for the evolution of humans from a common ancestor with other apes, that evolution is a wholly random process, and that life is too complex to have originated by the natural process of evolution. All of these claims are incorrect. The evidence for evolution is overwhelming: ape-human transitional fossils are discovered at an ever increasing rate, and the processes by which organisms evolve new and more complex body plans are now known to be caused by relatively simple alterations of the expression of small numbers of developmental genes. Our understanding of the evolutionary process has advanced our ability to develop animal models for disease, our ability to combat the spread of infectious disease and, in point of fact, the work of Dr. Carson himself is based on scientific advances fostered by an understanding of evolution. Finally, much of the research at this University is based on advances fostered by an understanding of evolution.

The theory of evolution is as strongly supported as the theory of gravity and the theory that infectious diseases are caused by micro-organisms. Dismissing evolution disregards the importance of science and critical thinking to society. Stating that those who accept the underlying principle of biology and medicine are unethical not only encourages the insertion of unnecessary and destructive wedges between Americans but stands against many of the ideals of this University.

Written by:

J. de Roode (Department of Biology)

A. Eisen (Department of Biology)

N. Gerardo (Department of Biology)

I. Nemenman (Departments of Biology and Physics)

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295 comments

1 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 7:38:54pm

I like to call Dr. Carson the conservative movement’s New Black BFF. He’s a religious wacko and seems to be a jerk. I doubt he will help the GOP with it’s minority problem. He’s just wants to fame and the wingnut welfare money.

2 jaunte  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 7:38:57pm

Looks like he and Don McLeroy are out to prove that being good at brain surgery or dentistry doesn’t make you a scientist.

3 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 7:40:14pm

re: #2 jaunte

Looks like he and Don McLeroy are out to prove that being good at brain surgery or dentistry doesn’t make you a scientist.

Doctors and engineers aren’t scientists. That’s probably why so many are wingnuts.

4 spiderx  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 7:41:41pm

re: #3 moderatelyradicalliberal

Doctors and engineers aren’t scientists. That’s probably why so many are wingnuts.

it’s still shocking considering how much education Dr’s must go through. There are a lot of science courses along the way to an MD

5 Gus  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 7:43:20pm

Denying that the Earth is approximately 4.5 billion years old is not only denying evolution but a whole swath of other science.

6 bratwurst  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 7:43:56pm

re: #1 moderatelyradicalliberal

I doubt he will help the GOP with it’s minority problem.

I predict he will help the GOP with their minority problem the same way Sarah Palin helped them with their female problem.

7 Gus  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 7:45:57pm

In addition to that. Derp.

8 Kragar  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 7:48:18pm

YEC make Flat Earthers seem rational.

9 AlexRogan  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 7:49:03pm

Now the RWNJs are going to go after the authors and signatories of that letter (as many as they can get info on, especially the faculty members).

Bank on it.

*sigh*

10 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 7:49:28pm

re: #5 Gus

Denying that the Earth is approximately 4.5 billion years old is not only denying evolution but a whole swath of other science.

It’s denying reality in order to further one’s grip on fantasy. It just amuses the hell out of me how anyone can go into one of the hard sciences while at the same time denying that there’s any basis to that science. Does he direct nurses to test the humors of his patients before operation?

11 jaunte  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 7:51:03pm
12 Gus  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 7:52:08pm

re: #10 Targetpractice

It’s denying reality in order to further one’s grip on fantasy. It just amuses the hell out of me how anyone can go into one of the hard sciences while at the same time denying that there’s any basis to that science. Does he direct nurses to test the humors of his patients before operation?

Essentially, it’s sort of like mechanics. You learn how the brain works. You learn the procedures for surgery, medicine, anesthetics, and human biology. It doesn’t mean one has an overall grasp of science or even what I would call common sense.

13 AlexRogan  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 7:53:16pm

Ben Carson: the real-life amalgam of a skilled neurosurgeon like Oliver Harmon (“Spearchucker”) Jones and a willfully ignorant Bible-thumper like Frank Burns.

14 Gus  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 7:53:47pm

re: #11 jaunte

Creationist Grand Canyon Argument

Hey, most farmers had seeds during the time of Noah. //

15 jaunte  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 7:53:59pm

Problems with a Global Flood
Second Edition, by Mark Isaak

16 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 7:55:05pm

re: #11 jaunte

Creationist Grand Canyon Argument

I laughed at that creationist argument the first time I heard it. I laughed again just now. Some jokes never get stale.

For an even better joke, take a look at my favourite set of explanations - Walt Brown’s Hydroplate Theory. (hypothesis really, but hey, it’s part of the joke)

17 Kragar  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 7:57:35pm

re: #16 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

I laughed at that creationist argument the first time I heard it. I laughed again just now. Some jokes never get stale.

For an even better joke, take a look at my favourite set of explanations - Walt Brown’s Hydroplate Theory. (hypothesis really, but hey, it’s part of the joke)

Want some real comedy? Read a creationist’s view of how the Flood is responsible for water being discovered on other planets.

18 Varek Raith  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 7:57:36pm

Oh god hydroplate….
Shoot me now.
/

19 jaunte  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 7:58:10pm

re: #16 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

Incredible.

Brown’s claim that all of the comets, meteoroids, and asteroids in our solar system originated from earth during the hydroplate explosion has also been shown to be entirely untenable (Sharp, 2005), even considering only currently orbiting comets and asteroids, let alone the millions that have already impacted on moons and planets in our solar system (as indicated by the heavy cratering on such bodies), or the mass of the earth’s moon and other moons, which Brown implies were also formed from rock ejected from the earth.

Walter Brown’s “Hydroplate” Model

20 Gus  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 7:59:39pm
How the “Great Flood” occurred

When it came time to flood Earth, God cracked the crust, releasing the water (like a soft-boiled egg). These cracks formed underwater mountain ranges like the Mid-Atlantic Ridge. The subterranean water sprayed upward with such great force that it caused worldwide rainfall for 40 days and 40 nights (and made the comets, and anything else they don’t understand). The water left its subterranean encasements so quickly that many land masses immediately began to sink (crunch!). These rapidly sinking land masses uplifted other land masses (oops, ow!), thus causing deep-sea fossils to appear at the tops of mountain peaks. (Creationists always point to “mountaintop fossils” as proof of the flood - naturally wanting to wish away the vast amount of evidence for slow-motion tectonic forces taking millions of years to uplift mountains from the ocean floor.)

21 Varek Raith  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 8:00:15pm

Yep, my brain stopped.

22 Varek Raith  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 8:01:12pm

Because volcanoes spew copious amounts of water.
Wait…

23 Gus  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 8:01:55pm

From…

Hydroplate theory

Hydroplate theory is a creationist hypothesis - developed in 1980 by Walter Brown (PhD Mechanical Engineering) - that the antediluvian Earth had huge chambers of water that encircled the planet’s mantle. The whole idea falls nicely into the not even wrong category.

Apparently, before the flood, the Earth’s crust floated on the above mentioned chambers (rock floats on water! Perhaps it had lots of pumice in it?). Walls and tendrils connected the mantle and crust, allowing the inner and outer reaches of the planet to rotate on its axis at the same speed…

24 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 8:02:25pm

re: #22 Varek Raith

Because volcanoes spew copious amounts of water.
Wait…

Makes perfect sense…after you crack yourself in the head a few times with a very heavy and blunt object.

//

25 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 8:02:38pm

I am seriously evil!

26 Varek Raith  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 8:03:10pm

re: #25 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

I am seriously evil!

*PEWPEWPEW*

27 Cheeseland  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 8:03:42pm

I read a nice piece about him in the WSJ, but they seemed to have overlooked this piece of his background.

28 jaunte  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 8:05:40pm

Does being a young earth creationist mean that you’re a Noah’s Ark literalist too?

29 Varek Raith  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 8:05:45pm

re: #25 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

I am seriously evil!

I had to sit through someone defending that ‘theory crap’ in HS.
The teacher was o_O the whole time during the presentation.

30 SteveMcGazi  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 8:06:56pm

I had forgotten that President Carter was a nuclear engineer once upon a time. (Anybody remember that immortal Saturday Night Live Three Mile Island skit with Garret Morris?) I think the denialists’ biggest problem is the red shift in astronomy that proves distant things are many billions of years old. I have often wondered why the denialists never seem to take the short cut of saying that God made the world 6k years ago but made it LOOK 4 billion years old.

31 Interesting Times  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 8:08:03pm

Good freaking grief. So does Dr. Carson consider those who study bacteria evolving antibiotic resistance to be lacking in morality and ethics? 9_9

32 Cheeseland  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 8:10:00pm

re: #31 Interesting Times

Good freaking grief. So does Dr. Carson consider those who study bacteria evolving antibiotic resistance to be lacking in morality and ethics? 9_9

The bacteria have no character. It’s just their culture.

33 jaunte  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 8:10:37pm

re: #31 Interesting Times

Creationist will allow that there is “microevolution” but claim that “macroevolution” hasn’t been seen yet.

34 Gus  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 8:11:14pm

Don’t forget. 96 percent of everything on Earth is made up of non-atomic things. Stuff we can’t see. Unless you buy mah book or come to my seminar and I can describe those things, all 96 percent of ‘em, in great detail.

//

35 Gus  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 8:13:16pm

I love how people can confidently describe things we can’t see in opposition to those ebil scientists that go through greats pain and hard work in describing most things. Then hide behind the non ability to counter a negative. Well, there’s a VW Bus on Mars. I’m sure of it.

36 SteveMcGazi  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 8:13:54pm

re: 34 Gus

Isn’t using the double sarc tag the same thing as a double negative?

37 engineer cat  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 8:14:15pm

dr carson seems predestined to represent african americans in the 2016 republican presidential debates, probably a position the GOP feels it must now fill every cycle

i hope he realizes that all presidential contenders have their lives laid bare for all to examine as they please and subjected to whatever ridicule can be mustered

38 jaunte  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 8:14:49pm

re: #35 Gus

*subspace alert flashed to VorksWibble system*

39 Kronocide  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 8:14:53pm

re: #34 Gus

Don’t forget. 96 percent of everything on Earth is made up of non-atomic things. Stuff we can’t see. Unless you buy mah book or come to my seminar and I can describe those things, all 96 percent of ‘em, in great detail.

//

Cain’t Splain Thatism

40 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 8:15:01pm

re: #17 Kragar

Want some real comedy? Read a creationist’s view of how the Flood is responsible for water being discovered on other planets.

Velikovsky?

41 Gus  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 8:16:34pm

re: #38 jaunte

*subspace alert flashed to VorksWibble system*

Humans were created by The Great Takoombula during the great Zoratrosky Epoch. They came from a distant planet near Derpulus near the galaxy Termulus. Prove me wrong! I dare you!

//

42 HoosierHoops  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 8:17:14pm

I can’t believe this story..The Doctor denies science? I had some measure of respect for him and the story of his life. He has the right to his viewpoint but found out the fire of politics.. It’s not amateur time in DC. Great guy it seems..He should steer clear of politics. Why does the Grand old Party insist on living in the 2nd Century? We live in a modern time that needs modern leaders to face the 21st Century problems…Not 2nd Century Religious viewpoints in our politics..

43 jaunte  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 8:18:29pm

re: #41 Gus

Derpulus makes it all believable.

44 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 8:19:44pm

re: #33 jaunte

Creationist will allow that there is “microevolution” but claim that “macroevolution” hasn’t been seen yet.

Ask them where the dividing point between the two is and what prevents cumulative micro from becoming macro.

Then they jump on the information bandwagon.
They have no idea what they mean by it, but they can repeat it ad infinitum.

45 Cap'n Magic  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 8:19:49pm

. re: #12 Gus

Bingo.

That’s always the danger with any kind of specialization: you get a very deep skillset in a very narrow column-move out of that domain and you can be put in a world of hurt if you’re not careful or engage in heedlessness. Carson has already been bit a few times with some of his pronouncements; if he keeps putting his foot in his moth he might as well hang it up.

46 Gus  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 8:21:15pm

All hail Takoombula!

47 Gus  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 8:21:23pm

And Gravel.

48 freetoken  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 8:21:36pm

re: #42 HoosierHoops

Highly trained specialists, such as doctors and engineers, don’t really do science nor do they have to accept every discovery that is made.

Rather, they become specialists in applications, developing skill but not pushing forward the boundaries of knowledge.

This is the difference between science and those fields which exploit scientific discoveries.

49 Gus  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 8:21:37pm

Also. Penguins.

50 SteveMcGazi  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 8:22:05pm

Isaac Asimov used to trash Velikovsky all the time. I would love to find collections of his old essays.

51 Gus  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 8:22:34pm

The tree, Methuselah, is about 5,000 years old.

52 jaunte  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 8:22:36pm

Contrapposto.

53 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 8:26:43pm

re: #51 Gus

The tree, Methuselah, is about 5,000 years old.

I was there when god planted it.

He just about didn’t dig the hole deep enough.

54 Gus  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 8:27:02pm

This is even counter to petroleum geology. Or mining and resource geology.

55 freetoken  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 8:28:08pm

This btw is what is so wrong with a great deal of flavor-of-the-year emphases in education, when it comes to higher education. The pursuit of knowledge often is being pushed aside for the idea of making money, i.e., being “employable”. Selling college to someone as the path to riches is in my mind antithetical to developing new knowledge (science) or reflecting upon what we’ve discovered (art, philosophy.)

Around the country various departments that are about thinking and not about raising salaries - e.g., the Classics, or philosophy, some of the physical sciences, etc - are being cut but the technician-specialties are expanded.

56 kerFuFFler  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 8:30:10pm
I have often wondered why the denialists never seem to take the short cut of saying that God made the world 6k years ago but made it LOOK 4 billion years old.

Some have upon occasion. When pressed as to why God would be so deceptive, making the world look older than it is, the answer is, ” to test our faith”.

I have a really hard time understanding why a deity would value faith above all other virtues such as kindness, patience and generosity. The fact that faith is so central to Christianity seems like a tell that it is a scam.

57 SteveMcGazi  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 8:33:07pm

I wonder how the creationists account for human genetic diversity if, by a rough calculation, we’re ony about 240 generations removed from a common set of parents?

58 emcesq  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 8:34:47pm

So the good neurosurgeon doctor does not acknowledge MRSA? Antibiotic resistance, even from the perspective of 6000 years, is a pretty new phenomenon. How about it, Dr. Carson????

59 SteveMcGazi  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 8:36:38pm

re: 58 emcesq

Actually, they would easily brush that one aside by saying that MRSA already existed.

60 freetoken  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 8:39:29pm

Carson’s book, btw, is full on creationist. That’s why he was interviewed for ICR.

It’s never been a secret, at least for some years.

His argument against evolution is the same as so many creationists - incredulity. It seems too impossible to him, therefore it is impossible.

That’s about as fallacious as “arguments” come, but that is the core of his approach to evolution.

Yet, because he has developed very high skill levels in his motor control, to be able to do very difficult neurosurgery, the doors will open to him to preach in places a run of the mill creationist could never enter.

61 Kragar  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 8:40:44pm

re: #60 freetoken

Carson’s book, btw, is full on creationist. That’s why he was interviewed for ICR.

It’s never been a secret, at least for some years.

His argument against evolution is the same as so many creationists - incredulity. It seems too impossible to him, therefore it is impossible.

That’s about as fallacious as “arguments” come, but that is the core of his approach to evolution.

Yet, because he has developed very high skill levels in his motor control, to be able to do very difficult neurosurgery, the doors will open to him to preach in places a run of the mill creationist could never enter.

God can create everything except a scientifically verifiable theory for the creation and alteration of life over the course of billions of years apparently.

62 Gus  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 8:42:41pm

re: #61 Kragar

God can create everything except a scientifically verifiable theory for the creation and alteration of life over the course of billions of years apparently.

Yeah, and then just blow anything new off as a TEST of “man’s will.”

63 freetoken  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 8:44:34pm

re: #57 SteveMcGazi

I wonder how the creationists account for human genetic diversity if, by a rough calculation, we’re ony about 240 generations removed from a common set of parents?

Here’s how:

1) they ignore the whole issue;
2) they propose, if forced, that after the fall there was a rapid genetic degradation in all life forms (due to the loss of a protective “canopy” from some form of destructive ray from outer-space) that just makes DNA look like more time has gone by to cause mutations;
3) then, if confronted with the story of Noah and only one male ancestor for all living who is yet closer to us than Adam, and yet when tested the Y-DNA around the world and in recovered (buried) specimens indicate that families of people have been dividing for a great many thousands of years … then, its

SATAN!

64 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 8:45:36pm

Dr. Carson is a brilliant surgeon who has no doubt saved many lives and that could have been his lasting legacy. Instead he is going to ruin it and make a fool out of himself playing the conservatives movement’s new black BFF because he knows they are desperate for a new one. He will be about as much value to the GOP as Herman Cain and Alan Keys and they will be worth even less to him

Its sad because I know what’s coming for him. But if he wants to compare gay marriage to pedophilia and evolution to immorality, fuck him he deserves all of the humiliation he’s going to get.

65 Kronocide  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 8:48:13pm

argumentum ad incredulum

66 freetoken  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 8:52:04pm

BTW, Google (remember them, the ones who chose to honor Hugo Chavez instead of Je$u$?) has portions of Carson’s book “Take the Risk” online, including his creationism section:

books.google.com

He’s does the whole routine - the cell is too complex, the eye is too complex, and so forth.

It’s all just from ICR and DI.

He may be a noble man for working to separate conjoined twins, but that is not a statement about his fitness to teach others about anything else.

67 freetoken  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 8:52:46pm

The section of most relevance starts on page 125.

68 SteveMcGazi  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 8:53:39pm

I wonder just how fucked in the head I’d have to be to trust him to operate on me.

69 engineer cat  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 8:54:55pm

re: #57 SteveMcGazi

re: #58 emcesq

once they load the dice by saying god can alter the laws of physics at will, no amount of logic will get you anywhere

70 Lidane  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 8:59:23pm

re: #1 moderatelyradicalliberal

I like to call Dr. Carson the conservative movement’s New Black BFF. He’s a religious wacko and seems to be a jerk. I doubt he will help the GOP with it’s minority problem. He’s just wants to fame and the wingnut welfare money.

Dr. Ben Carson = Herman Cain, 2013 Edition.

He’s just another whackjob that the nutters will cling to until he disappoints them for some reason.

71 freetoken  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 9:00:15pm

re: #68 SteveMcGazi

Well, he probably, as I noted earlier, would by most accounts be considered a valuable asset to any community.

It’s just that here is a classic case where, in an attempt to justify an entire worldview of bronze age to medieval thinking, the atavists will hold up as an “expert” someone highly skilled who simply can not (emotionally) accept what science has discovered.

Not all creationists are uneducated. The educated ones remain in their creationism because they need to believe something or other, as a way of dealing with the burdens of life.

Carson’s arguments are the same old fallacious muck that lesser educated creationists have clung to for a century.

Yet he clings to them like anyone clings to their beliefs - it’s how our self awareness can be numbed, slightly, from our impending non-existence.

72 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 9:01:37pm

re: #70 Lidane

Dr. Ben Carson = Herman Cain, 2013 Edition.

He’s just another whackjob that the nutters will cling to until he disappoints them for some reason.

“We got ourselves a dancin’ negro! Them’s sure to vote fer us now!”

/GOP

73 freetoken  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 9:01:47pm

Never, ever, discount the human ability to lie.

Especially to oneself.

74 Mich-again  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 9:02:05pm

I bet Ben Carson’s YEC views are more about political pandering than conviction.

75 bratwurst  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 9:04:07pm

re: #74 Mich-again

I bet Ben Carson’s YEC views are more about political pandering than conviction.

Next you’re going to tell me that Donald Trump is not REALLY against abortion and gay marriage!

76 freetoken  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 9:04:29pm

re: #74 Mich-again

He’s held them for quite some time. That’s what I tried to show by linking to his book. Now, maybe he’s been “working” the religiou$ circuit for quite some time, only he knows that.

77 Gus  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 9:11:36pm

So much derp. So little time.

78 Kragar  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 9:12:44pm

Shocking: Tar sands oil flows through Arkansas neighborhood’s streets

Video published to YouTube on Sunday evening purports to show tar sands oil flowing through the streets of an Arkansas neighborhood following an Exxon-Mobil pipeline rupture on Friday.

“So that is a pipeline that has busted and has flooded the neighborhood, and is going all the way to a drain at the end of the street,” the cameraman explains as he drives down a neighborhood street coated on one side with a thick stream of black liquid.

“The smell is unbelievable,” he says. “Incredible. That is oil.”

It’s not just any oil, either: it’s tar sands, a heavy, gritty and more toxic type of oil that is particularly difficult to transport and even more difficult to clean out of water sources.

An Exxon-Mobil pipeline rupture that affected Montana in 2011 also happened along a line that ran tar sands, which experts say can corrode the inside of pipelines because of its heavy grit and harsh chemical additives that keeps the oil viscus enough to flow.

79 jaunte  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 9:13:40pm
80 Mich-again  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 9:13:46pm

re: #76 freetoken

He’s held them for quite some time. That’s what I tried to show by linking to his book. Now, maybe he’s been “working” the religiou$ circuit for quite some time, only he knows that.

It would be more damaging to his credibility for critics to point out how he is too intelligent and educated to truly believe YEC nonsense and it is obvious he is just pandering to stupid people for political gain.

81 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 9:14:49pm

re: #77 Gus

So much derp. So little time.

It’s the Derp. I feel saturated by it. I can taste the stupid, and every time I do, I fear that I’ve been somehow infected by it…

82 freetoken  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 9:16:23pm

re: #80 Mich-again

His book is clearly written “down” in reading level, in an effort to appeal to as wide an audience as possible.

I agree with your point - the way to engage Ben Carson is to call him on his routine of actually believing what even the simplest of creationist tracks use.

Yet again, though, I warn - never underestimate the ability of the human to lie to himself.

83 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 9:16:39pm

re: #78 Kragar

Another high-five to our friends at Exxon Mobil, perpetual overachievers in the area of environmental destruction, and winners of the Most Odious Evil Fatcats of Industry Award for decades now.

84 Varek Raith  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 9:18:45pm

Fuck tar sands.

85 jaunte  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 9:18:55pm

re: #78 Kragar

Mayflower, (looking at Google maps) is not far from the Arkansas River, and right next door to the Belle Slough State Wildlife Management Area (Grassy Lake).

86 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 9:29:42pm

re: #79 jaunte

Think, just a century ago, those homeowners would have been fucked because there would be no real way for them to take Exxon to court for damage to their property, especially if the local government had cut any sort of deal with Exxon for the “privilege” of having that pipeline run through folks neighborhoods.

87 jaunte  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 9:32:03pm

re: #86 Targetpractice

They’re probably still in poor shape; I don’t think their trees will survive that dousing.

88 Mich-again  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 9:33:21pm

re: #86 Targetpractice

Pipelines are mostly beneath the ground so leaks are not entirely obvious at first. By the time it is filling up someones backyard, there is no telling how much already leaked.

89 jaunte  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 9:34:01pm

Virgin Airlines quick out of the box on April Fool’s Day posting:
virgin.com

90 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 9:34:25pm

re: #87 jaunte

They’re probably still in poor shape; I don’t think their trees will survive that dousing.

Not likely. You can be sure that, even with extensive clean-up, that ground’s gonna be a dead zone for years. Very likely, they’re gonna have to dig up the first couple feet of soil and burn it just to get most of the serious shit out of it.

Folks in that neighborhood just watched their property values crash through the floor.

91 Varek Raith  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 9:35:12pm

re: #89 jaunte

Virgin Airlines quick out of the box on April Fool’s Day posting:
virgin.com

Lol.
On a serious note, that would scare the shit out of me.

92 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 9:35:30pm

re: #89 jaunte

Virgin Airlines quick out of the box on April Fool’s Day posting:
virgin.com

Glass-bottom plane? No spank you!

93 jaunte  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 9:37:40pm

Introducing Google Nose

Take that, Branson!

94 jaunte  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 9:38:27pm

“Mobile Aroma Indexing Program”

95 Interesting Times  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 9:38:42pm

re: #86 Targetpractice

Think, just a century ago, those homeowners would have been fucked because there would be no real way for them to take Exxon to court for damage to their property, especially if the local government had cut any sort of deal with Exxon for the “privilege” of having that pipeline run through folks neighborhoods.

LOL that happens in Texas right now :/

96 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 9:42:43pm

re: #95 Interesting Times

LOL that happens in Texas right now :/

The Gilded Age never ended.

97 wrenchwench  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 9:45:41pm
98 Mich-again  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 9:45:59pm

re: #90 Targetpractice

Not likely. You can be sure that, even with extensive clean-up, that ground’s gonna be a dead zone for years. Very likely, they’re gonna have to dig up the first couple feet of soil and burn it just to get most of the serious shit out of it.

Folks in that neighborhood just watched their property values crash through the floor.

I wonder if FEMA funds will be involved in the clean-up. After all when a tar sand oil pipeline ruptures, the GOP will probably consider it an act of God.

99 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 9:48:23pm

re: #98 Mich-again

I wonder if FEMA funds will be involved in the clean-up. After all when a tar sand oil pipeline ruptures, the GOP will probably consider it an act of God.

Just waiting to see which Republican will be the first to apologize to Exxon.

100 Mich-again  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 9:49:49pm

re: #99 Targetpractice

Just waiting to see which Republican will be the first to apologize to Exxon.

Or blame it on a Union worker who built the pipeline.

101 wrenchwench  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 9:51:23pm
102 Mich-again  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 9:53:25pm

Think of this scenario.. Exxon’s pipeline ruptures and the next day investors worry that the supply will be threatened so they buy futures and the market price goes up so Exxon makes a bigger profit.

Someone explain to me why we shouldn’t consider making oil a public utility like natural gas or electricity or the water supply.

103 Kragar  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 9:54:59pm

Cardinal Wuerl: LGBT people should ‘make room’ for Catholics who oppose marriage rights

The Archbishop of Washington on Easter Sunday said that he was concerned that Catholics would be shunned for opposing same sex marriage — and that it was gay and lesbian Americans who need to “make room” for the very people discriminating against them.

During an interview on Fox News Sunday, host Chris Wallace asked Cardinal Donald Wuerl how the church would react to gay and lesbian members who wanted to get married if the U.S. Supreme Court found that state and federal bans on same sex marriage were unconstitutional.

“The Catholic Church also reminds all of us there is a moral law, they are the commandments of God and we have to do our best to live by them,” Wuerl insisted. “The church is probably — with 20 centuries of experience — the most understanding of the human condition of any institution. But at the same time, it does remind not only gay people but heterosexual people, straight people, you’re not supposed to be following a moral law apart from what Christ has said to us.”

104 jaunte  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 9:56:26pm

re: #98 Mich-again

There may be some substandard material problems.

“Although a number of pipe and steel mills are implicated, it appears that Welspun, an Indian steel pipe manufacturer, produced the lion’s share of this defective pipe. Welspun, for example, was responsible for 88% of the expansion anomalies found in the Boardwalk pipelines.
However, at least one other pipe mill produced substantial amounts of substandard pipe using steel from two steel mills, and a few other mills produced small amounts of low-strength pipe.
The problem was widespread enough that PHMSA issued the Advisory Bulletin industry-wide. “

(.pdf links)
plainsjustice.org

worc.org

105 Gus  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 9:57:13pm
106 freetoken  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 9:58:02pm

re: #105 Gus

Movie trailer: The Town That Was [Coal Fire Centralia PA Documentary]

[Video]Guess who was the governor.

AL GORE!

??

107 Gus  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 9:59:02pm

re: #106 freetoken

AL GORE!

??

Bob Casey. Democrat. Coming up next. How we’re going to expand oil production in the USA and how GM is the great oil fueled comeback kid. Talk to the hand.

108 jaunte  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 9:59:59pm

“Almost Half of the Pipe Used in the Keystone Pipeline Was Made by Welspun “

109 Mich-again  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 10:00:55pm

re: #104 jaunte

Assuming all of that is true, if the pipeline built with defective parts was an automobile it would be recalled and the corporation that assembled the defective parts into the finished product would have to cover costs to fix it. I have no sympathy for the corporation that built a pipeline with low-bidder parts to blame the failure on parts they bought from the low bidder.

110 Varek Raith  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 10:02:32pm

re: #105 Gus

Movie trailer: The Town That Was [Coal Fire Centralia PA Documentary]

[Embedded content]

Guess who was the governor.

111 Gus  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 10:02:59pm

re: #108 jaunte

“Almost Half of the Pipe Used in the Keystone Pipeline Was Made by Welspun “

Contributions to Political Committees

CHOKHANI, RAJESH
LITTLE ROCK, AR 72211
WELSPUN PIPES INC

BOLING, DAVID ALAN
VIA DAVID BOLING FOR CONGRESS
03/31/2010 500.00 10990656859

DELIE, DAVID
LITTLE ROCK, AR 72206
WELSPUN TUBULAR LLC/PRESIDENT

GRIFFIN, JOHN TIMOTHY
VIA RE-ELECT TIM GRIFFIN FOR CONGRESS COMMITTEE
03/18/2012 500.00 12972171773

JANICKI, RICHARD A
LITTLE ROCK, AR 72204
WELSPUN

LINCOLN, BLANCHE L
VIA FRIENDS OF BLANCHE LINCOLN
06/12/2009 500.00 29020263338

JOHNSON, JOEL
HOUSTON, TX 77057
WELSPUN

LEVIN, SANDER M MR
VIA LEVIN FOR CONGRESS
02/14/2010 500.00 10930590604

LINCOLN, BLANCHE L
VIA FRIENDS OF BLANCHE LINCOLN
05/20/2009 500.00 29020263396

Total Contributions: 2500.00

Not much. All Dems except for GRIFFIN, JOHN TIMOTHY.

112 wrenchwench  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 10:03:28pm

re: #103 Kragar

Cardinal Wuerl: LGBT people should ‘make room’ for Catholics who oppose marriage rights

The church is probably — with 20 centuries of experience — the most understanding of the human condition of any institution.

20 centuries of experience being wrong. That’s a mighty big rut to be stuck in.

113 Gus  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 10:04:07pm

re: #110 Varek Raith

[Embedded content]

“This video is not currently available…”

114 Varek Raith  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 10:04:31pm

re: #110 Varek Raith

[Embedded content]

Click link and add this to the end of the address

/watch/157861

115 Kragar  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 10:05:30pm

re: #112 wrenchwench

20 centuries of experience being wrong. That’s a mighty big rut to be stuck in.

You would think that after 20 centuries, they might know that you don’t cover up for child molesters.

116 Gus  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 10:05:37pm

Casey is an asshole. But, sometimes we make a deal with the devil in politics. Hickenlooper is kind of an asshole too in Colorado. What are you going to do. Not much.

117 engineer cat  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 10:06:19pm

re: #103 Kragar

Cardinal Wuerl: LGBT people should ‘make room’ for Catholics who oppose marriage rights

But at the same time, it does remind not only gay people but heterosexual people, straight people, you’re not supposed to be following a moral law apart from what Christ has said to us.”

So he told them, “Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery against her. And if she divorces her husband and marries another, she commits adultery.”

you would think that w the clarity w which jesus condemns divorce, churches of all sorts would be making at least as much of a clamor as that which they are aiming at gay marriage

only the catholics iirc even, formally anyway, stick to jesus’ extremely clear mandate, and yet even they don’t raise too much of a fuss about it

so when they go on about ‘god’s law’, let em eat scripture, i say

118 freetoken  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 10:10:12pm

re: #107 Gus

Anthracite coal production in the US peaked long ago. What the DRILL HERE DRILL NOW! types always refuse to believe is that resources are deplete-able.


So why was Ben Carson even invited to speak at the recent press shindig in which he criticized the President and became the new darling of the wingnuts?

Because the idea is to continually push marketable stories and personalities. Most people will ignore the “news” if given a chance, preoccupied with cutting the grass, doing laundry, and watching the latest porno on the ‘net. Hot button personalities are continually offered up to entertain - and remember “news” programs really are entertainment.

And this is why stories like coal fires die a lot more quickly than the fires ever will (which can burn for centuries.) Because it’s not titillating after a while. It’s entertainment value drops below a threshold. And, decision makers inevitably will go with the deepest pockets anyway, regardless of any political party label.

Entertainment exists so we can escape reality. Coal fires that can’t be resolved is a type of reality we want to escape.

119 freetoken  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 10:13:08pm

re: #115 Kragar

20 centuries of experience being wrong. That’s a mighty big rut to be stuck in.

19, I think, but after this long who’s really counting?

120 Varek Raith  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 10:13:44pm

Anywho, you can watch ‘The Town That Was’ on hulu for free.

121 Gus  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 10:14:32pm

re: #120 Varek Raith

Anywho, you can watch ‘The Town That Was’ on hulu for free.

122 wrenchwench  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 10:18:28pm

Image: h22BE3E6A.jpg

Later later, lizards.

123 freetoken  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 10:18:34pm

Technically I’d propose that the first real “Pope” was Clement:
en.wikipedia.org

He was the first one to really use the authority schtick, and may have been a real person (the ones before him are semi-mythical.)

BTW, that Wikipedia article reads as if it were written by believers who aren’t much into critical historiography. The evidence for 1st century Christianity is almost non-existent outside of later Church writers.

124 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 10:21:11pm

re: #122 wrenchwench

Coyote lunches!

125 freetoken  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 10:26:36pm

I bet fewer than one in a thousand people in this country are even aware of the fires in PA, and only a small fraction of them can explain the problem.

But, 1 in 2 Americans will tell you for sure that Adam was the first man.

126 Gus  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 10:27:48pm

Sorry. But you’re not going to snap your tibia and fibula in half and come back to playing basketball. I don’t know where they got these writers.

127 Varek Raith  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 10:28:49pm

re: #126 Gus

Sorry. But you’re not going to snap your tibia and fibula in half and come back to playing basketball. I don’t know where they got these writers.

Ouch, ouch, ouch!

128 engineer cat  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 10:30:26pm

re: #123 freetoken

Technically I’d propose that the first real “Pope” was Clement:
en.wikipedia.org

He was the first one to really use the authority schtick, and may have been a real person (the ones before him are semi-mythical.)

BTW, that Wikipedia article reads as if it were written by believers who aren’t much into critical historiography. The evidence for 1st century Christianity is almost non-existent outside of later Church writers.

well, also it was a long time before the archbishop of rome was able to establish any kind of primacy w the rest of the church. originally, the bishops of alexandria, antioch, jerusalem, constantinople, and rome were more or less equal, and attempts by rome to act superior met with resistance

but then the muslims overran the first three cities and rome had the field mostly to herself, except that she had to contend w constantinople until the final catholic/orthodox split of 1054

129 engineer cat  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 10:32:53pm

in mother russia zey vill tell you dot ‘moscow is 3rd rome’. the 2nd rome being constantinople…

130 Gus  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 10:36:08pm
131 klys  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 10:39:43pm

re: #4 spiderx

it’s still shocking considering how much education Dr’s must go through. There are a lot of science courses along the way to an MD

I have tutored a depressing number of premed students through basic chemistry. The stuff they cover in AP Chem.

A very depressing number.

132 Kronocide  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 10:41:21pm

re: #130 Gus

Sir, thine derpeth.

133 Targetpractice  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 10:43:17pm

re: #130 Gus

Tweets like that are what beating my head against a brick wall until I fall unconscious look appealing.

134 Gus  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 10:44:27pm

re: #133 Targetpractice

Tweets like that are what beating my head against a brick wall until I fall unconscious look appealing.

Yep. Just unfollowed Henry Fonda Jr. because of it. Screw that noise.

135 Gus  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 10:45:42pm

I stopped following Think Progress.

136 freetoken  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 11:24:15pm

The new Dr. Who episode suffers from trying to be too trendy wrt the storyline.

Other than that it was fine, the new companion (who’s already been in a couple of episodes) is pleasing to eye, and they’ve gone back to a deeper sounding theme music.

It reminds me that current American TV is in a bit of a lull in the sci-fi and fantasy genres.

137 freetoken  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 11:32:22pm

And speaking of lulls, I sense that the universe of blogging continues to senesce, ever so slowly, but definitely.

Not only are there more sites than can ever get a descent audience, but our current not-quite-a-recession-but-not-quite-a-boom-time economy feels almost like… a zombie.

The walking dead of capitalism.

Our society’s interests are divided into very fine grained markets and niches.

That the latest Dr. Who episode has a joke about Twitter upon which they then “hang a lantern” … makes me wonder if bubbling up from our collective unconscious a rebellion against the technocopia in which we are now enmeshed is now knocking at our door… are we about to enter a new era of nostalgia, pining for the past of a simpler, slower life?

138 Gus  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 11:34:07pm
139 freetoken  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 11:40:50pm

Pining for the Pines of Rome:

140 engineer cat  Sun, Mar 31, 2013 11:49:00pm

re: #137 freetoken

And speaking of lulls, I sense that the universe of blogging continues to senesce, ever so slowly, but definitely.

Not only are there more sites than can ever get a descent audience, but our current not-quite-a-recession-but-not-quite-a-boom-time economy feels almost like… a zombie.

The walking dead of capitalism.

Our society’s interests are divided into very fine grained markets and niches.

That the latest Dr. Who episode has a joke about Twitter upon which they then “hang a lantern” … makes me wonder if bubbling up from our collective unconscious a rebellion against the technocopia in which we are now enmeshed is now knocking at our door… are we about to enter a new era of nostalgia, pining for the past of a simpler, slower life?

there’s a feeling among some people i know that we’re in a year of transition of some kind…

141 Targetpractice  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 12:53:41am

re: #136 freetoken

The new Dr. Who episode suffers from trying to be too trendy wrt the storyline.

Other than that it was fine, the new companion (who’s already been in a couple of episodes) is pleasing to eye, and they’ve gone back to a deeper sounding theme music.

It reminds me that current American TV is in a bit of a lull in the sci-fi and fantasy genres.

Scifi and fantasy have generally always been big gambles for TV execs. And with TV viewership in decline due to services like Hulu and Netflix, when you can just catch up with series months or years after the original airing, TV execs are just too hesitant to put much money in “hit or miss” fiction.

Think the big future for scifi’s gonna end being in video games. Some of the biggest video game series of recent years have dealt with scifi and fantasy concepts.

142 freetoken  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 1:07:03am

re: #140 engineer cat

there’s a feeling among some people i know that we’re in a year of transition of some kind…

I sense a drift … the winds are shifting… a passing of the guard is at hand… the passing of the old …

143 EdDantes  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 1:10:49am

If Dr. Benjamin Carson holds such heretical views, how could he have risen to the status of “world renowned” neurosurgeon at Johns Hopkins? Wouldn’t his shoddy work and and his refusal to accept the guidance of Darwinism hinder him in his rise to the top of his profession?

144 freetoken  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 1:14:39am

re: #143 EdDantes

I explained it upstream.

145 freetoken  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 1:14:57am
146 palomino  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 1:16:02am

re: #143 EdDantes

If Dr. Benjamin Carson holds such heretical views, how could he have risen to the status of “world renowned” neurosurgeon at Johns Hopkins? Wouldn’t his shoddy work and and his refusal to accept the guidance of Darwinism hinder him in his rise to the top of his profession?

Being a really good brain surgeon and being a creationist aren’t necessarily mutually exclusive.

147 EdDantes  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 1:19:34am

re: #144 freetoken

I’ll look for it.

148 freetoken  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 1:26:48am

Because it’s one of my favorites, and is timely:

149 EdDantes  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 1:27:03am

re: #146 palomino

Being a really good brain surgeon and being a creationist aren’t necessarily mutually exclusive.

Obviously not.

150 Kragar  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 1:31:00am
151 EdDantes  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 1:34:03am

re: #150 Kragar

Google nose everything! About you.

152 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 1:42:13am

My WTF moment for the day:

The sport is said to involve very little “native skill”,[6] simply an ability to “have your tool bitten and not care”.[15] The former world champion, Reg Mellor, is credited with instituting the practice of wearing white trousers in ferret legging matches, to better display the blood from the wounds caused by the animals.[15] Competitors can attempt, from outside their trousers, to dislodge the ferrets, but as the animals can maintain a strong hold for long periods, their removal can be difficult.[3]

153 palomino  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 1:43:38am

re: #149 EdDantes

Obviously not.

My dad was a pathologist, not world renowned, but very good and highly respected in his field. He was also a member of the John Birch Society in the late 50s and early 60s. Smart people can do really stupid things.

I’m sure Carson is a brilliant Dr., but he’s a human so not brilliant in every way.

154 freetoken  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 1:44:37am

Russian fossil named after Lenin

What more evidence do we need that Darwinism is a communist plot?

155 EdDantes  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 1:51:54am

re: #153 palomino

Actually, I like his rejection of evolution and his success without ever needing to use it.

156 EdDantes  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 1:56:03am

re: #154 freetoken

Russian fossil named after Lenin

What more evidence do we need that Darwinism is a communist plot?

Well, it was found in Ulyanovsk. Why should it be named after Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov.

157 freetoken  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 1:56:42am

re: #155 EdDantes

Actually, I like his rejection of evolution and his success without ever needing to use it.

But he does, he’s just in denial of it.

158 freetoken  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 1:56:54am
159 EdDantes  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 2:04:13am

re: #157 freetoken

But he does, he’s just in denial of it.

Nothing worse that a deluded neurosurgeon.

160 EdDantes  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 2:38:43am

Charles, are you up this late just to down-ding me? I’m not offended but I would like to know exactly why you disagreed with what I posted.

161 EdDantes  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 2:49:50am

Good night, everyone.

162 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 3:06:05am

re: #160 EdDantes

Charles, are you up this late just to down-ding me? I’m not offended but I would like to know exactly why you disagreed with what I posted.

Why the hell do you have to ask why you’re being downdinged for anti-evolution crap?

163 freetoken  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 3:32:33am
164 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 4:30:57am

re: #163 freetoken

Stranger things:

The Pirate Bay Moves Servers to the U.S., Becomes Freedom Bay

Today is April Fool’s day.

165 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 5:18:34am

re: #137 freetoken

And speaking of lulls, I sense that the universe of blogging continues to senesce, ever so slowly, but definitely.

Not only are there more sites than can ever get a descent audience, but our current not-quite-a-recession-but-not-quite-a-boom-time economy feels almost like… a zombie.

The walking dead of capitalism.

Our society’s interests are divided into very fine grained markets and niches.

That the latest Dr. Who episode has a joke about Twitter upon which they then “hang a lantern” … makes me wonder if bubbling up from our collective unconscious a rebellion against the technocopia in which we are now enmeshed is now knocking at our door… are we about to enter a new era of nostalgia, pining for the past of a simpler, slower life?

Technophobia and Luddite-ism have always been lurking around the edges of popular culture. The next wave of tech is going to be the one that destroys our culture, privacy, individuality, etc. _1984_, _Brave New World_, Styx’s “Mr Roboto”. The beat goes on.

;)

166 lawhawk  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 5:54:46am

re: #155 EdDantes

You like his rejection of evolution? Why? Because he doesn’t use it? That’s not a reason to ignore the science. Evolution occurs. Science has seen it in action, whether it’s bacteria evolving resistance to antibiotics or where birds may be getting shorter wingspans to avoid car crashes.

Moreover, he does use it. More precisely, research advances in medicine and related fields rely on it such that he’s using advances generated through a better understanding of where we are, and where we’ve come from.

167 lawhawk  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 6:03:11am

re: #125 freetoken

The Centralia fires are just a fraction of the coal fires that are present in the US and around the world.

Some were the result of accidents, others naturally started, but all pose an ongoing threat to the environment and will continue to spew forth emissions for decades and centuries to come - until the sources themselves burn out. At least one of the Chinese coal fires has been burning for at least 200 years.

Centralia’s fire began when the fire department set fire to the town dump in advance of Memorial Day to clean it up. Instead, they set fire to a coal seam that ran into the dump, and the rest is history. This year marks the 51st year of that particular fire.

168 Gus  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 6:19:21am

Neurosurgeon, blah, blah, blah. Hey, newsflash. We’re not hiring a neurosurgeon here GOP. You’re hiring a policy guy. A politician. Guess what GOP… you hired some bozo anti-gay bigot that thinks the Earth is 6,000 years old who probably thinks you can pray away any environmental problems and that teh gays will burn in hell.

169 wheat-dogghazi  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 6:22:15am

re: #155 EdDantes

Actually, I like his rejection of evolution and his success without ever needing to use it.

This indeed is a curious and anti-intellectual statement. You favor an anti-scientific viewpoint (or belief system, if you like) and additionally trumpet Carson’s ability to excel in his field while being at some level unqualified to judge whether evolution is a valid theory.

To be sure, a neurosurgeon does not need to understand the theory of evolution to do his job, anymore than an auto mechanic needs to understand the intricacies of thermodynamics to fix your car. But I wouldn’t trust my auto mechanic to help with my thermo homework, and likewise, I shouldn’t trust Carson’s judgment of evolution just because he can do something I can’t.

Seventh Day Adventists are theologically Biblical literalists, IIRC, so it’s entirely possible that Carson is not pandering to the base, but being true to his faith. Conveniently, his creationist belief is shared by a distressingly large percentage of the GOP rank and file. They will use his credentials as “proof” that not all scientists “believe” in evolution. So there. Godidit.

170 lawhawk  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 6:55:54am

I have some real bad news. It turns out that if I don’t get to 100,000 in karma by 11:59pm EDT tonight that I will lose my LGF certifications and must go full-tilt birther and troofer. In lieu of the karma points, I’m told that if I open my website to donations in small denominations that I’ll be able to stick around, at least for one more year. It’s a small price to pay for what pearls of wisdom I’ve graced upon the minions for all these past 12+ years.

Oh, and Happy April Fools Day!

171 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 6:57:51am

re: #170 lawhawk

I have some real bad news. It turns out that if I don’t get to 100,000 in karma by 11:59pm EDT tonight that I will lose my LGF certifications and must go full-tilt birther and troofer. In lieu of the karma points, I’m told that if I open my website to donations in small denominations that I’ll be able to stick around, at least for one more year. It’s a small price to pay for what pearls of wisdom I’ve graced upon the minions for all these past 12+ years.

Oh, and Happy April Fools Day!

Well that’s a better alternative than being replaced by a hyperspace by-pass and all elevator music being replaced by Vogon poetry readings (though I’m not sure that the latter will make any difference.)

172 lawhawk  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 7:00:29am

re: #171 Feline Fearless Leader

You didn’t hear? The dolphins have all left. They said so long, and thanks for all the fish. But, at least I get to hang with Ford and Trillian.

Want proof? They’ve gone up the Hudson and East River. If that isn’t proof that the end is near, I don’t know what is. /

173 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 7:03:11am

In honor of April Fool’s day, here’s Rick Astley’s “Never Going to Give You Up”, in a very interesting and unique rendition.

174 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 7:04:20am

Wired Space Photo of the Day

Groovy False-Color Red Spot

This Voyager 1 picture of the great red spot shows a white oval with its “wake” of counter-rotating vortices. North is at the top and the distance from top to bottom is about 24,000 km. This enhanced color view emphasizes red and blue at the expense of green. Note the puffy features inside the GRS, and the “reverse-S” spirals inside both the GRS and the oval. The large white feature extending over the northern part of the GRS was observed to revolve about the GRS center with a period of 6 days.

Good morning lizards!

175 iossarian  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 7:04:39am

re: #173 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

In honor of April Fool’s day, here’s Rick Astley’s “Never Going to Give You Up”, in a very interesting and unique rendition.

[Embedded content]

I don’t get it - that’s a “Gang Starr” song.

/

176 darthstar  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 7:07:16am

Mornin’ everyone. Happy April Fool’s Day. But seriously, just follow California’s lead and everything will be okay.

nytimes.com

177 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 7:07:43am

re: #155 EdDantes

Actually, I like his rejection of evolution and his success without ever needing to use it.

Hahahhah. That’s a great April Fool’s day post!

178 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 7:10:40am

Google says to shut down YouTube in early April Fools’ gag

(Reuters) - Google Inc, getting a headstart on the annual tradition of April Fools’ pranks, released a YouTube clip on Sunday declaring that the world’s most popular video website will shut down at the stroke of midnight.

The three-minute video intended as a gag - a montage of clips and cameos from viral video stars like David Devore from “David after the dentist” - describes how the website will wind down as some 30,000 technicians begin to trawl through 150,000 clips, to select the world’s best video.

The winner gets a $500 stipend, a clip-on MP3 player - and becomes the sole video to be featured on YouTube when the website relaunches in 2023.

“Gangnam Style has the same chance of winning as a video with 40 views of a man feeding bread to a duck,” YouTube CEO Salar Kamangar pronounced, referring to the viral sensation from Korean pop artist PSY that’s now the most-viewed video on the site.

Google’s video also features intense discussions between judges, who hotly debate the merits of everything from Citizen Kane to “epic skateboard fail”. While clearly tongue-in-cheek, several YouTube viewers appeared stricken or dumbfounded, while others expressed sadness and regret in attached comments.

Heh.

179 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 7:10:48am

re: #176 darthstar

Mornin’ everyone. Happy April Fool’s Day. But seriously, just follow California’s lead and everything will be okay.

nytimes.com

I was really happy here in NYC when I heard the GOP had lost their ability to be obstructionist assholes in California.

I remember when about every 10th post I responded to on here was someone making some joke about California being doomed or an example of disaster or what have you.

180 kirkspencer  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 7:17:35am

re: #140 engineer cat

there’s a feeling among some people i know that we’re in a year of transition of some kind…

OK, you’re over 40, right? If so, if this is the first time you’ve noticed a “year of transition”, you’ve been sleeping (or unaware, or buried in actually making the transition happen).

At 53 I’m far from the oldest on here, and I’ve caught these senses of drift a few times. Looking back I can actually SEE several shifts that I didn’t notice because, yes, I was in the middle of them.

Do you know how many excellent movies and terrible jokes from prior to 1990 are ruined by someone saying, “So why didn’t she pull out her cellphone?” I put the explosion of cellphones on my number one slot for Things That Changed - and we’re still seeing it.

Close second to cells and rapidly merging with them (and some other technologies) is computers. EVERYONE talks about computers, so I’ll nod and pass on.

Third: microwave ovens. I’ve been cooking since I was 12 - 1972. A large portion of my “filler work history” is food service as a cook. Compared to other things it’s not so significant, and yet the microwave goes a long way to allowing us to live the rapid lifestyles so many of us do.

Getting away from tech for a minute: In the ’80s we saw the Big Start of successful drawback of social programs. this is probably the big change we’re facing soon as we reach a crux point: reverse, or finish. Do we make everyone find their own bootstraps (whether they have them or not) or do we help them make them? There’s been a lot here on LGF about that, so like computers, enough.

But not quite, because tech… there’s a big change coming, one that already hit manufacturing. Tech of various types is about to make yet another slice in “work”. Expert systems that can do large portions of white collar jobs. Automated driving systems, both as cars and as small drones, are going to wind up massacring jobs - not just buses and taxis but long haul trucking and pizza delivery… what, you hadn’t thought about that? Picture a drone that’s basically a pizza warmer on wheels that also includes a coded lockbox. It drives up, due to its size right up to the door. You run your payment into the box and there’s your pizza. Or groceries, or clothes from the nearby amazon distributor, or…

getting back out of tech again, there’s the possibility of war, again. And there’s this sense of near-relief. I’m speaking of North Korea. A clear enemy that attacks us, taking us back to 2001 when we were nearly united in response. (no digressions on how that was squandered - attacking afghanistan had near complete support). Simplicity, refocus, a chance to do it again but this time do things right.

And that’s just part of it.

So yeah, there’s a feeling of pending transition. But it’s only new if you’ve not been paying attention for the last few decades.

181 Gus  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 7:19:44am

Crabby.

182 wheat-dogghazi  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 7:20:39am

You kids! Get offa my lawn!

183 iossarian  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 7:23:52am

Pizza drones!

Seriously, though, that’s an interesting point. Productivity will increase of course. It’s just a question of figuring out who benefits…

184 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 7:24:10am

re: #182 wheat-dogghazi

You kids! Get offa my lawn!

Soon you will be yelling at the pizza drones to get off your sidewalk due to the kids spoof hacking deliveries to your domicile.
;)

185 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 7:26:17am

re: #183 iossarian

Pizza drones!

Seriously, though, that’s an interesting point. Productivity will increase of course. It’s just a question of figuring out who benefits…

More pressures on education and training (or human service jobs) since as technology takes out another slice of low education entry-level jobs the gap gets bigger in that initial hurdle into the job market.

186 iossarian  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 7:30:43am

re: #185 Feline Fearless Leader

More pressures on education and training (or human service jobs) since as technology takes out another slice of low education entry-level jobs the gap gets bigger in that initial hurdle into the job market.

At some point we also have to deal with the fact that some people are simply not cut out for high-education jobs, and figure out what happens to them.

187 Gus  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 7:31:33am

Automated pizza delivery plus automated pizza baking. Win, win… Bleh.

188 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 7:33:45am

Hey Lawhawk, if you’re around, I need to find a lawyer specializing in child custody cases in New York. Got a friend of a friend who’s borderline-personality-disorder wife just up and kidnapped the kids and went to New York, and the cops have given him the runaround so far. I figure a lawyer would be the logical place to go. Do you know of anyone in that area?

189 lawhawk  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 7:36:46am

The dangers of the persecution complex - and how the myth of persecution of Christians continues thanks to the likes of folks like Romney and Santorum.

There is real persecution of Christians around the world, but in places like Nigeria and Egypt and other parts of the Near and Middle East where sectarian violence is frequent and always simmering below the surface (even when things are relatively tranquil. But you don’t get to be one of the world’s biggest religions claiming that you’re the persecuted. Persecution has been mythologized - and it leads down a dangerous road.

[In]… a new book by Candida Moss, a New Testament professor at the University of Notre Dame, is bringing that message to the masses.

Moss says ancient stories of church persecution have created a contemporary cult of bogus Christian martyrs. She says too many American Christians are acting like they’re members of a persecuted minority, being thrown to the lions by people who simply disagree with them.

She cited former Republican presidential candidates Mitt Romney and Rick Santorum. Romney claimed last year that President Barack Obama was waging a “war against religion,” and Santorum said the gay community “had gone out on a jihad” against him. Other Christians invoke images of persecution when someone disagrees with them on controversial issues such as abortion or birth control, says Moss, whose “The Myth of Persecution” was recently released.

The problem with invoking persecution is it implies your opponents are evil – and no common ground can be found with evil, Moss says.

“When someone is persecuting you” she says, “there is no room for dialogue.”

190 Gus  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 7:38:20am
191 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 7:40:05am

re: #188 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Hey Lawhawk, if you’re around, I need to find a lawyer specializing in child custody cases in New York. Got a friend of a friend who’s borderline-personality-disorder wife just up and kidnapped the kids and went to New York, and the cops have given him the runaround so far. I figure a lawyer would be the logical place to go. Do you know of anyone in that area?

Useful takeaway: Even though some wingnuts fixate on “father’s rights”, there are cases where men are genuinely wronged by current or former wives in regards to their children and do need specialized legal help.

/No, Obdi, I’m not saying that in reply to anything else you’ve said, and I don’t mean it in reproach. But I felt it needed to get said, so I said it.

192 lawhawk  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 7:41:37am

re: #188 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Sorry that I can’t help - don’t know anyone in that area. I’d suggest contacting the Bar Association of the City of New York or look in Martindale Hubble. Try the former before the latter.

The police might give the runaround, but you might also want to check in with a City DA from the borough where the incidents occurred. They might be able to get the NYPD to act and investigate (possibly through the Special Victims Unit as in Manhattan). Even if the DA isn’t able to help, they might be able to direct you to someone in the NYPD or the bar who might be able to help.

193 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 7:44:35am

re: #187 Gus

Automated pizza delivery plus automated pizza baking. Win, win… Bleh.

Windows inside. Mmm… Pineapple!

194 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 7:45:32am

re: #192 lawhawk

They got kidnapped from Phoenix and taken to Brooklyn. Is it more appropriate to contact law enforcement/legal help in the place they were taken or the place they were taken to?

195 kirkspencer  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 7:45:44am

It’s not just low end. There are interesting weaknesses in the middle and upper middle.

A really quick (for me) example is medical.

Turns out that automation is really going to be cutting into the doctors’ fields. There are automated interviews - those terrible questionaires are just the start. Picture a system that has you run through the questions, then expands for more questions on the possibilities. Semi-automated systems that do the vitals (temp, bp, weight) while you sit in a chair. There’s this interesting diagnostic system that’s been developed that uses (simplifying) a drop of blood, a speck of gold, a drop of a DNA solution, a light, and a spectrometer. The DNA solution is a morass of viruses and bacteria, and the ones that match and cancel in the drop of blood change the spectrum. Initial tests are that 500 diseases can be checked at a time. Automated. “Stick your finger in the box and keep it in till the light turns green. There will be a brief jab, possibly followed by up to two more, as the system checks for what disease you have.”

there’s more there but I said I’d try to be short.

196 lawhawk  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 7:45:47am

San Francisco in High Def….

197 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 7:47:47am

re: #195 kirkspencer

It’s not just low end. There are interesting weaknesses in the middle and upper middle.

A really quick (for me) example is medical.

Turns out that automation is really going to be cutting into the doctors’ fields. There are automated interviews - those terrible questionaires are just the start. Picture a system that has you run through the questions, then expands for more questions on the possibilities. Semi-automated systems that do the vitals (temp, bp, weight) while you sit in a chair. There’s this interesting diagnostic system that’s been developed that uses (simplifying) a drop of blood, a speck of gold, a drop of a DNA solution, a light, and a spectrometer. The DNA solution is a morass of viruses and bacteria, and the ones that match and cancel in the drop of blood change the spectrum. Initial tests are that 500 diseases can be checked at a time. Automated. “Stick your finger in the box and keep it in till the light turns green. There will be a brief jab, possibly followed by up to two more, as the system checks for what disease you have.”

there’s more there but I said I’d try to be short.

Dr Windows (tm)
The first diagnosis is always that it is *not* lupus.

;)

198 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 7:50:46am

re: #189 lawhawk

That feeds right in with the “no compromise” politics we’re seeing. The opposition is evil, anti-America, etc. And thus you cannot budge from your position since there is no middle ground with said evil.

No way to run a country.

199 lawhawk  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 7:51:54am

re: #194 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

You might need to contact both. Or since it’s an interstate case, you might want to contact the FBI, which deals with kidnapping in those kinds of instances. That way the FBI can and should coordinate with local LEOs on both ends.

200 HappyWarrior  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 7:52:35am

re: #189 lawhawk

The dangers of the persecution complex - and how the myth of persecution of Christians continues thanks to the likes of folks like Romney and Santorum.

There is real persecution of Christians around the world, but in places like Nigeria and Egypt and other parts of the Near and Middle East where sectarian violence is frequent and always simmering below the surface (even when things are relatively tranquil. But you don’t get to be one of the world’s biggest religions claiming that you’re the persecuted. Persecution has been mythologized - and it leads down a dangerous road.

The problem with invoking persecution is it implies your opponents are evil – and no common ground can be found with evil, Moss says.

“When someone is persecuting you” she says, “there is no room for dialogue.”
And this is why President Obama has an almost impossible time dealing with many Republicans in Congress. It’s not opposition to his policies but rather that many see himself as evil. Anyhow, hope everyone’s well here. Just got back from a week long trip to Hollywood,. Florida and a nice visit with my aunt and uncle who know how to spoil visiting family in the best ways.

201 efuseakay  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 7:55:09am

Waiting for Charles to swap the up/down-ding buttons on us. :)

202 Political Atheist  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 7:55:31am

Happy AFD everyone

203 kirkspencer  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 7:57:42am

re: #197 Feline Fearless Leader

Dr Windows (tm)
The first diagnosis is always that it is *not* lupus.

;)

heh.

Another medical OMG coming is from 3d printers.

Print your eyeglasses. I figure that one, with existing tech, is going to show up as shops doing the printing within the next half-decade, and in the home no more than 5 years later.

204 lawhawk  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 8:02:02am

re: #203 kirkspencer

Figure that revolutionizes contact lenses even more than eyeglasses. But in either case, the amount of waste product is about to increase significantly.

205 lawhawk  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 8:02:27am

re: #202 Political Atheist

Indeed.

206 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 8:07:59am

BBL

207 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 8:09:33am

re: #201 efuseakay

Waiting for Charles to swap the up/down-ding buttons on us. :)

Just when I finally got them sorted…

208 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 8:11:54am
“Ultimately, if you accept the evolutionary theory, you dismiss ethics, you don’t have to abide by a set of moral codes, you determine your own conscience based on your own desires.”

So Carson’s conscience tells him to do only those things he wants to do anyway? That must be convenient.

I swear I don’t understand this argument at all. It’s basically saying “thank God for religion, otherwise I’d act like a total sociopath.”

209 iossarian  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 8:14:00am

re: #202 Political Atheist

Happy AFD everyone

Hi there. I’ve been meaning to apologize to you for last week’s nastiness. So: I’m sorry.

210 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 8:15:59am

re: #199 lawhawk

You might need to contact both. Or since it’s an interstate case, you might want to contact the FBI, which deals with kidnapping in those kinds of instances. That way the FBI can and should coordinate with local LEOs on both ends.

Thanks. He said something about the FBI telling him it was a ‘civil’ matter. Now I’m wondering if this friend of a friend has any custody whatsoever, or if she had full with him only having visitation rights. Anyway, I’ll get him to lawyer up, contact all appropriate PDs and recheck with the FBI after meeting with his lawyer.

211 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 8:16:18am

good morning lizards.

212 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 8:16:54am

re: #208 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

So Carson’s conscience tells him to do only those things he wants to do anyway? That must be convenient.

I swear I don’t understand this argument at all. It’s basically saying “thank God for religion, otherwise I’d act like a total sociopath.”

That seems to be pretty common since they often project that atheists want to act like total sociopaths, but don’t for some odd reason.
/

213 SpaceJesus  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 8:17:19am

Column of NORK tanks just broke through at Yeoncheon

214 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 8:18:42am

re: #213 SpaceJesus

Column of NORK tanks just broke through at Yeoncheon

They are being driven by bears.

215 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 8:19:06am

Great new Google product, Google Nose:

google.com

216 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 8:20:13am

re: #214 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

They are being driven by bears.

Has the second column reached Grand Junction yet?

217 lawhawk  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 8:20:30am

re: #213 SpaceJesus

Was that with or without the help of the White Walkers? Or the wildfire.

Or maybe it was with the use of Icarus?

And the fact that no media outlet is reporting, it must be true - the North has truly created a fearsome weapon that can only lead to one thing. Invasion.

218 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 8:21:07am

re: #216 Feline Fearless Leader

Has the second column reached Grand Junction yet?

The second column has been diverted to an Applebee’s, where intense cramping has slowed their groove.

219 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 8:21:59am

re: #218 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

The second column has been diverted to an Applebee’s, where intense cramping has slowed their groove.

Demon llamas must be involved as well then.

220 lawhawk  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 8:25:39am

re: #218 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

I heard that they had stopped near Detroit, after hearing that Vicious Babushka’s kids made a mean brisket.

221 makeitstop  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 8:26:39am

Isn’t there some kind of NORAD app for tracking this tank column?

Oh, wait. That’s Santa. Sorry, carry on.

222 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 8:28:12am

re: #221 makeitstop

Isn’t there some kind of NORAD app for tracking this tank column?

Oh, wait. That’s Santa. Sorry, carry on.

There’s an app for placing a man with two grocery bags in front of the column in order to make it detour in different directions. Sort of like a gigantic Etch-a-Sketch.

223 iossarian  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 8:29:24am

To be fair, if you were a megalomaniac nutcase in charge of a poverty-stricken nation geared for war, why NOT launch your all-out assault on April Fool’s Day?

You might just gain that slight element of surprise.

224 SpaceJesus  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 8:30:38am

April Fools

225 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 8:31:57am

North Korea’s Real Power, Kim Jong Un’s Aunt and Uncle

North Korea’s young leader Kim Jong Un has been portrayed as a tough talking leader setting the world’s nerves on edge with his belligerence, but many analysts believe the real powers behind-the-scenes are Kim’s aunt and uncle.

Among Kim’s small inner circle the most influential, often referred to as the “first family,” are Kim’s aunt Kim Kyong-Hui and her husband Jang Sung-Taek, both 66. The power couple were reportedly anointed by late-Kim Jong Il to help his 30 year-old son consolidate his position as the new figurehead and control the 1.2 million member military.

…”They are in a hurry to establish Kim’s image as a powerful military leader to gain respect and control. And the ones doing that are Kim Kyong Hui and her husband Jang,” said Jeung Young Tai, senior research fellow at Korea Institute for National Unification.

I wonder how crazy these people are.

226 iossarian  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 8:35:51am

re: #225 NJDhockeyfan

North Korea’s Real Power, Kim Jong Un’s Aunt and Uncle

I wonder how crazy these people are.

It would be a completely insane life. Imagine if, at any meeting you ever went to, or just sitting in your office minding your own business, some guy in uniform might come in at any moment, drag you out and have you shot.

227 geoffm33  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 8:40:27am

Good morning all….my conversion is almost complete. My 1st (D) primary in almost two decades. Heading on family vaca the day of the primary for the MA Special Election for Kerry’s seat (and another MA-Sen primary). Voting absentee (another 1st).

conversion-in-progress

228 lawhawk  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 8:41:17am

re: #226 iossarian

What’s truly insane is that the one person from the West who has more direct access to Kim Jong Un than anyone else is Dennis Rodman. And that’s no April Fool’s Joke.

We really don’t have much to go on about the inner workings of the regime except what can be gleaned from their own media reports. They just announced that they switched prime ministers, but the guy who is now in the post was sacked in 2007 because he couldn’t deliver on economic reforms. His job now? Deliver on economic reforms even as the North’s economic situation is demonstrably worse now than it was just a few years ago.

229 jamesfirecat  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 8:43:04am

Just spent all day touring Utah Beach and surroundings with family. It is amazing. Not just the history of this place, but shockingly either by luck or by fate a lot of it is so unchanged that I swear to god I could recognize some of the terrain just from having played company of heroes (La Fiere causeway) which is a pretty humbling feeling….

230 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 8:43:55am

re: #229 jamesfirecat

Wow, I’m jealous.

231 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 8:47:09am

Hey I found an old picture of my parents with me as a baby:

Image: qK0L5BNl.jpg

232 Lidane  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 8:52:20am
233 iossarian  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 8:54:42am

re: #232 Lidane

Every day is April 1st with these clowns.

234 kirkspencer  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 8:54:45am

re: #232 Lidane

He honestly seems to believe that no white Europeans would be here illegally.

235 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 8:55:57am

Crackpot Kim Jong-un targets American soldiers in latest vid

NORTH Korean tyrant Kim Jong-un has stoked further tensions with the US - releasing disturbing footage of live-firing exercises using cut-outs of American soldiers as targets.

The video from state TV emerged days after the country warned it was in a “state of war” with the South.

Soldiers can be seen letting off a volley of bullets at the targets which are left riddled with holes.

It’s the latest provocative film released by communist nation led by crackpot dictator Kim Jong-un.

236 iossarian  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 9:00:00am

re: #234 kirkspencer

He honestly seems to believe that no white Europeans would be here illegally.

“We should let rich people go wherever they like. Poor people have to stay where we put them, though. That way the factory wheels keep turning.”

237 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 9:02:40am
238 geoffm33  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 9:04:58am

re: #237 Charles Johnson

He’ll never know, because he doesn’t care (or want) to find the answer.

239 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 9:05:11am

re: #237 Charles Johnson

If the ancestors of white Americans came from Europe, why are there still Europeans?

240 Lidane  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 9:05:34am

re: #237 Charles Johnson

OW, mah head. That kind of stupid hurts.

241 lawhawk  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 9:05:54am

And now, President Obama from the White House:

242 Bulworth  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 9:08:09am

re: #239 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

You can’t explain that!

243 CriticalDragon1177  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 9:09:01am

Charles Johnson,

This is pretty upsetting. Looks like he only accepts the “science” that doesn’t contradict his fundamentalist world view. Even if they are not willing to admit it, Republicans just dug themselves in deeper by endorsing Dr. Ben Carson.

By the way, I thought it would be better if you provided a link to the original letter signed by 500 professors, students, and alumni of Emory University, so I found it for you.

docs.google.com

244 Lidane  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 9:14:45am
245 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 9:19:27am

Ashtabula: Witness says son killed his father near church

ASHTABULA — One person has been shot and killed at a church service on Sunday afternoon.

The Ashtabula County Coroner’s Office confirms to Channel 3 that the shooting happened at the Hiawatha Church of God in Christ on Hiawatha Avenue around 1 p.m.

A church administrator at the scene, Sean Adams, says he knew the assailant and his family who attended the church. He says the gunman shot and killed his own father. Police have not confirmed those details at this time.

The suspect, Rashad Riddle, waited outside of the church until his family came out. He said a few words before shooting his father, Richard Riddle, who died at the scene. A witness only remembers hearing one shot.

The shooter didn’t leave the scene following the shooting. When police arrived, they told him to put down his gun, which he did. Police then took him into custody.

246 Kronocide  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 9:41:07am

re: #143 EdDantes

If Dr. Benjamin Carson holds such heretical views, how could he have risen to the status of “world renowned” neurosurgeon at Johns Hopkins? Wouldn’t his shoddy work and and his refusal to accept the guidance of Darwinism hinder him in his rise to the top of his profession?

What a fallacy laden claptrap of sentences. He could have become a very good neurosurgeon holding those views. You’re making an assumption being a creationist makes him a ‘shoddy’ neurosurgeon. Or it’s just a rhetorical gambit to posit a challenge.

247 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 9:41:11am

Hamas law bans mixed sex schools in Gaza Strip

GAZA - New rules from the Education Ministry of the Islamist Hamas movement ruling the Gaza Strip will bar men from teaching at girls’ schools and mandate separate classes for boys and girls from the age of nine.

The law, published on Monday, would go into effect next school year and applies throughout the coastal enclave, including in private, Christian-led and United Nations schools.

248 Lidane  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 9:44:06am

re: #143 EdDantes

If Dr. Benjamin Carson holds such heretical views, how could he have risen to the status of “world renowned” neurosurgeon at Johns Hopkins?

Being a doctor =/= being a scientist. See: Ron Paul, Rand Paul, Bill Frist.

FAIL

249 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 9:45:24am
250 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 9:46:43am

re: #231 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Hey I found an old picture of my parents with me as a baby:

Image: qK0L5BNl.jpg

You were an adorable sloth! Now, you’re just not a sloth, but still adorable!

251 Kronocide  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 10:04:12am

Humans have an amazing ability to compartmentalize and apply different thinking to different situations. They may excel in once avenue but be a complete moron in others primarily due to their way of thinking.

I work for the very wealthy: while many are accomplished and have personality traits or skills that helped them acquire power and wealth (excluding those that were lucky or were born into $), many of those same highly smart people can be extremely dumb or close minded about other things. Or have a grossly distorted view of their own intelligence regarding subjects other than their profession, specifically my own.

I have no difficulty understanding how one can be a great neurosurgeon yet be otherwise intellectually stunted or morally inferior.

252 Kragar  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 10:07:05am
253 Kronocide  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 10:07:25am

Likewise, the buffoons swooning over Dr Carson are propping up their own fallacious belief system by assuming and proselytizing Dr Carson is great neurosurgeon, therefore smart, therefore his views on creation hold more weight.

254 Kronocide  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 10:13:13am
255 celticdragon  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 10:17:31am

re: #5 Gus

Denying that the Earth is approximately 4.5 billion years old is not only denying evolution but a whole swath of other science.

Like geology for starters…

256 wrenchwench  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 10:23:28am

re: #255 celticdragon

Like geology for starters…

Speaking of science…

The search is over: Fermilab chooses new director

For months, the search committee tasked with finding a new Fermilab director has been looking for someone dedicated to exploring the mysteries of space and time. In the end, they said, the choice was obvious.

On July 1, the Time Lord known as the Doctor will join Fermilab as its new director, replacing outgoing director Pier Oddone. The Doctor is the first non-human to head up Fermilab, and at more than 1,200 years of age, he is the oldest director in the lab’s history.

It was his extensive experience, as well as his vague yet somehow still impressive educational background, that tipped the scales in the Doctor’s favor, members of the committee said. This despite the fact that none of the members could determine with any certainty exactly what the new lab director’s doctorate is in.

[…]

RTWT.

257 wrenchwench  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 10:28:36am
258 Kragar  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 10:30:51am

Robertson: ‘Simple’ Foreigners More Likely to Experience Miracles than ‘Sophisticated’ Americans

Today on the 700 Club, a viewer asked host Pat Robertson why miracles such as “people raised from the dead, blind eyes open, lame people walking” seem to “happen with great frequency in Africa, and not here in the USA?” Robertson first responded by joking it is “because those people overseas didn’t go to Ivy League schools.”

But Robertson was actually serious.

“Well, we are so sophisticated, we think we’ve got everything figured out, we know about evolution, we know about Darwin, we know about all these things that says God isn’t real, we know about all this stuff,” Robertson lamented, “in many schools, in the most advanced schools, we have been inundated with skepticism and secularism.”

Unlike these too-educated Americans, “overseas they are simple and humble” and are more ready to accept miracles.

259 wrenchwench  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 10:36:02am

re: #258 Kragar

Robertson: ‘Simple’ Foreigners More Likely to Experience Miracles than ‘Sophisticated’ Americans

I also heard that homeopathy works better on animals, for the same reason.

260 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 10:38:21am

re: #259 wrenchwench

I also heard that homeopathy works better on animals, for the same reason.

I sometimes really wished some fictional characters existed in the real world. Then I could look forward to Robertson potentially meeting The Librarian from Unseen University.

(ook)

261 darthstar  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 10:39:12am

Great scroll-down storyboard on fracking.

dangersoffracking.com

262 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 10:43:38am

re: #255 celticdragon

Like geology for starters…

BUT TEH FLOOD!!!

an acquaintance of mine actually made that argument, that geology does not take the flood into account and carbon dating doesn’t work.

263 Kragar  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 10:44:14am

Stephen Colbert asks ‘Hobbit’ director nerdiest question ever

Comedy Central host Stephen Colbert was (mostly) out of character but fully in geek mode for his appearance in a video preview for “The Desolation of Smaug,” the second part of director Peter Jackson’s adaptation of the J.R.R. Tolkien novel The Hobbit.

Colbert, whose devotion to Tolkien’s works led him to feature Jackson’s first installment, “An Unexpected Journey,” for a week on The Colbert Report, brought out a framed map of Middle Earth to ask if Jackson would highlight the class differences among the Elves of Mirkwood.

“I want to know if you’re making a delineation between [King] Trhanduil and Legolas, who are Sindar, and the elves who lived in Mirkwood, their subjects, who are Avari, or Nandor, or a mixture of Avari [and] Nandor and Sindar,” Colbert asked. “They’re lesser elves than Thranduil and Legolas in the Tolkien mythos. Are you showing that differentiation?”

Colbert went on to explain how some elves from the Avari class did not heed the call of the Valar exhorting them to move to Valinor, before slipping briefly back into his late-night persona.

“Are you taking that into consideration?” he asked again with a touch of mock exasperation. “Thank you.”

264 lawhawk  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 10:47:40am
265 aagcobb  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 10:48:31am

re: #234 kirkspencer

He honestly seems to believe that no white Europeans would be here illegally.

I told my English niece that she could just outstay her visa since people do it all the time, but she didn’t want to chance it.

266 Kragar  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 10:51:22am

Houston District Attorney Assigned Around-The-Clock Security

Mike Anderson, the district attorney in Harris County, Texas, has been assigned around-the-clock security for himself and his family by the local sheriff, in response to the killing of the Kaufman County district attorney over the weekend.

“Mike has accepted additional security offered by [Harris County Sheriff Adrian Garcia], just in case there are any immediate threats in Harris County,” Sara Marie Kinney, a spokeswoman for Anderson’s office, which is based in Houston, told The Houston Chronicle on Monday.

That is just ridiculous. Just give the guy an AR-15 with a 50 round drum. What more security could he possibly need?
/

267 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 10:53:06am

re: #262 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

BUT TEH FLOOD!!!

an acquaintance of mine actually made that argument, that geology does not take the flood into account and carbon dating doesn’t work.

Carbon dating is a massive misnomer in geology. Doesn’t work past 60,000 years or so and is really mainly of use for archeology and climatology in that period where you have recovered organics to analyze.

The different uranium and argon based aging techniques whose results cross-support each other are a lot more important. Nay-saying these boils down to arguing about contamination of samples, ignoring geomorphic exposure (which is a contamination cause), and finally arguing that radioactive decay rates were different in the past. (The last of which opens a massive can o’ worms in regards to physics.)

Plus there are a number of other aging techniques in use as well. But that is typical since the approach is to cherry pick a point or two while ignoring the wide spectrum of research already done in that field.

en.wikipedia.org

Caveat: I have a dog in this fight since my brother is a geologist and does biostratigraphy, etc. with trace fossils, conodont teeth, etc. I don’t think he’s part of any Grand Conspiracy to deny God or that the Earth is only 6,000 years old.

268 Kragar  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 10:56:40am

re: #267 Feline Fearless Leader

I don’t think he’s part of any Grand Conspiracy to deny God or that the Earth is only 6,000 years old.

You poor deluded fool, that is just what they are counting on.
/

269 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 10:57:45am

re: #268 Kragar

You poor deluded fool, that is just what they are counting on.
/

I’m backing the Feline Overlords.

And, of course, there is a Canadian behind it all.
en.wikipedia.org

;)

270 Kragar  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 11:01:28am

GOP Pundit: Republicans Shouldn’t Listen To Know-Nothing Young People On Same-Sex Marriage

In an interview on The Weekly Standard’s podcast, Kristol, the publication’s editor, argued that Republicans who reconsider their position on marriage — like Sen. Rob Portman (R-OH), who flipped his view after his son came out — are “pathetic.” When the interviewer pointed to television shows like “Friends and Dharma and Greg,” Kristol said that, thanks to young people, that’s exactly what is driving the conversation:

I mean, there’s something pathetic about it. I’ve found it really distasteful. I mean I myself am socially conservative on the marriage issue but even if you’re not, just say what you believe and let the country decide…. This kind of pathetic attempt of ‘Oh my god, young people especially are liberal so let’s just rush to cater to them.’ As if they’re going to respect you if you just embrace the views of some 26-year-old who doesn’t know anything honestly. Can’t adults say young people are sometimes wrong? […]

Gee, this TV show is popular so let’s just throw over thousands of years of history and what the great religions teach and let’s just embrace it because, hey, you don’t want to be on the other side from a TV show that has 20 million viewers. I mean, really, that’s what a serious political party does?

Kristol’s effort to squash the voices of young people is familiar; the far conservative right has made similar arguments before, even as the mainstream of the Republican party recognizes its need to appeal to young voters. In its post-election “autopsy” report last week, the Republican party specified, “we do need to make sure young people do not see the Party as totally intolerant of alternative points of view.”

How is that rebranding working out for you?

271 jaunte  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 11:03:13am

re: #270 Kragar

“we do need to make sure young people do not see the Party as totally intolerant of alternative points of view.”

There’s the key phrase. They don’t want to change the way they are, just obscure it.

272 Kragar  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 11:04:18am

Work note: Apparently even if Marvin Gaye tells me to keep on dancing, I need to sit my non-dancing ass down.

273 geoffm33  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 11:09:45am
274 Kragar  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 11:12:23am

Michigan Republican Continues Anti-Gay Comments

According to Lennox, Oakland County Young Republican Brad Fingeroot responded by saying, “Dave, thank you for civilly engaging in this discussion. Our point is that it is one thing to articulate your values but another to be mean about them. Virtuous decorum is symbolic of a principled man of integrity. Let’s keep the smut on the sidelines.”

Here is Agema’s response:

Lennox said in a statement accompanying the release that he has led the calls for Agema’s resignation. He added:

“After trying to hide his ignorance and bigotry for several days, Dave Agema has finally admitted he seeks to promote hate, viciousness and vitriol instead of the Republican Party’s traditional forward-looking message of equal opportunity for all. Dave Agema’s extremism has no place in our Republican Party.”

275 blueraven  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 11:12:47am

re: #270 Kragar

GOP Pundit: Republicans Shouldn’t Listen To Know-Nothing Young People On Same-Sex Marriage

How is that rebranding working out for you?

From the guy who brought us Sarah Palin and is second only to Dick Morris for the pundit deserving of the title, Most often wrong about everything.

276 Kragar  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 11:13:53am

re: #275 blueraven

From the guy who brought us Sarah Palin and is second only to Dick Morris for the pundit deserving of the title, Most often wrong about everything.

Stiff competition there. I can’t think of one issue that the GOP or conservatives are right about.

277 wrenchwench  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 11:14:18am
278 blueraven  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 11:16:08am

re: #276 Kragar

Stiff competition there. I can’t think of one issue that the GOP or conservatives are right about.

Very true, but Morris and Kristol are particularly inept at predictions and outcomes.

279 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 11:17:13am

re: #261 darthstar

geology.com

280 lawhawk  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 11:18:42am

re: #266 Kragar

The DA who was just murdered with his wife was armed and taking precautions at the time he was killed in light of the CO murder of a Corrections Official and another Texas DA murdered earlier this year outside a courthouse. Didn’t help him.

A lot of evidence seemingly points in the direction of white supremacists, particularly a gang known as 211.

281 [deleted]  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 11:20:04am
282 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 11:20:06am

Consilience.

en.wikipedia.org

There’s the word I was looking for.

283 Kragar  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 11:22:19am

Oh boy.

284 lawhawk  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 11:27:30am

Bloody hell. Newbie logs on to spam with job offer? Either most clever April Fool’s Trick ever, or just real dumb. I’m going with dumb.

285 Kragar  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 11:28:07am

NC legislators propose more rigorous divorce regulations

A pair of Republican lawmakers want to make it harder to get a divorce in North Carolina by making estranged couples wait longer and go to counseling.

The Healthy Marriage Act would extend to two years the current one-year waiting period in order for a divorce to be finalized. During that time, the couple would have to complete courses on improving their communications skills and conflict resolution.

Yeah, nothing like forcing people who don’t want to be together to stay with each other twice as long.

286 Lidane  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 11:28:51am

re: #285 Kragar

NC legislators propose more rigorous divorce regulations

Yeah, nothing like forcing people who don’t want to be together to stay with each other twice as long.

These cretins just hate the thought of no-fault divorce, and of people being able to live their own lives.

Small government conservatives my ass.

287 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 11:29:51am

re: #285 Kragar

NC legislators propose more rigorous divorce regulations

Yeah, nothing like forcing people who don’t want to be together to stay with each other twice as long.

Why not go the other way and require communications, conflict resolution, and child-rearing (or pet-handling) courses before allowing them to marry?
;)

288 Kragar  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 11:30:57am

re: #287 Feline Fearless Leader

Why not go the other way and require communications, conflict resolution, and child-rearing (or pet-handling) courses before allowing them to marry?
;)

And infringe on their ability to marry?
///

289 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 11:33:06am

Just about the fastest delete I’ve ever seen!

290 Interesting Times  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 11:34:57am

re: #284 lawhawk

Bloody hell. Newbie logs on to spam with job offer?

I got bombed with the same message over and over (due to my habit of subscribing to dead or dying threads). It’s entirely genuine spam, spam, spam.

291 Kragar  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 11:34:59am

re: #289 Dancing along the light of day

Just about the fastest delete I’ve ever seen!

Darn, now I’ll never learn how to work from home.

292 Kragar  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 11:35:27am

re: #290 Interesting Times

I got bombed with the same message over and over (due to my habit of subscribing to dead or dying threads). It’s entirely genuine spam, spam, spam.

Bloody Vikings.

293 majii  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 5:55:53pm

I am happy to know that the students and faculty of Emory are making their views on Dr. Carson known. I don’t expect his invitation to be rescinded though because after all, this is GA. I know this place well since I’ve lived here my whole life. The president of Emory and its’ board members will tread lightly on this issue for fear of the blow back they could receive from Ralph Reed and the other far right religious nuts here. I hope Dr. Carson does the right thing and cancels his appearance. These students don’t deserve to have a religious nut mar their graduation services after working for so long and so hard to earn the right to graduate. Some of my former students are graduating from Emory Medical School, and I’m quite sure they don’t want to hear the scrambled brain religious crap he’ll include in his speech to them. It would be one thing if he could separate his religious beliefs from his professional life, but it seems that he’s unable to do it. I think Hannity’s stroking his ego by having him appear so frequently on his program of late has given Dr. Carson the false courage to share his religious beliefs with the rest of us. The problem is that many of us don’t want to listen to his wacko crap. I’ve said this before, and I’ll say it again. If the power brokers on the right think we blacks will vote for Dr. Carson because he’s black, they need to have their heads examined. We know when one of our own has no regard for anyone except himself. Dr. Carson is a selfish ass b*astard, and no amount of cloaking his views in religion can conceal this. I pegged him for being a selfish SOB the same way I pegged GWB, Romney, Paul Ryan, Rand Paul, and the rest of the GOPers, inside and outside of Congress the first time I heard about the things he believes. IMO, no true Christian denies anyone else the same rights he/she has. For his comments about LGBTQ Americans, he should be considered persona non grata on every college campus in the country. I’m heterosexual, and he offended me with that shit. He may not care about how our fellow citizens are treated, but I and millions of others do. What disgusts me most about Carson is that he knows what it feels like to be discriminated against, and it turns my stomach that after becoming successful, he has the temerity to turn his back on others who are being discriminated against. People like Carson can say whatever they want to about President Obama, but the one thing they can’t say is that after finishing law school, he turned his back on others and took a job with a large Wall St. firm. He didn’t. He went to one of the most disadvantaged areas in the country to do community service—something that none of his detractors can claim to have done. I’d better stop here because I’m getting more upset at this man and his supporters as I type, and I don’t want to say the things that need/must be said about him on the internet in a public forum. I will say, though, that in spite of all of his career accomplishments, there’s nothing really unique or special about him if he can’t treat his fellow man the way he wishes to be treated.

294 wheat-dogghazi  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 6:03:19pm

re: #293 majii

Paragraphs are your friends. Just sayin’

295 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 2, 2013 2:29:09pm

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