It’s On: Wingnut Radio Host Says Bill O’Reilly’s Marriage Equality Remarks Are a “Hanging Offense”

The problem with the rebranding scam
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Some of the right wing demagogues on Fox News seem to be trying to play along with the “Republican rebranding” charade; Bill O’Reilly, for example, who recently said he doesn’t really have a strong opinion on marriage equality (although he hasn’t been shy in the past about his aversion to it).

The problem with trying to sell the rebranding clunker to the public is the prevalence of another breed of right wing demagogue, the kind who aren’t just cavemen, they’re loud and proud to be Neanderthal throwbacks. Cavemen like talk radio host Steve Deace, who is quite upset with Bill O. Wants to see him hanged, in fact.

Deace: I’ve got a bee in my bonnet big time and it’s Bill O’Reilly at Fox News. I don’t like charlatans, I don’t like frauds; give me Rachel Maddow, at least she’s honest. But when you are trying to profit off of the very people you are betraying and you have tried to condescend them and patronize them for years and then at the moment they probably need you to return the favor of all the money they made you over the last fifteen years the most, you stab them in the back, throw them under the bus and use the enemy’s own language against them. To me that’s a hanging offense; that is a hanging offense.

[…]

With this issue there are no good arguments for it because the argument essentially boils down to, ‘because I want it.’ It’s essentially a tantrum; it’s policy by desire. ‘Because I want it.’ It’s a child throwing a hissy-fit, tantrum in Wal-Mart because mom bought me the regular sized M&Ms and not the king-sized that I demanded. As Ryan T. Anderson of the Heritage Foundation pointed out on CNN this week that just drove the reporter into a meltdown, ‘no one is in jail for having consensual homosexual sex with another adult, what you’re trying to do is impose your narrow definition of what this means and therefore what it means for free speech and religious liberty on everybody else.’ So they throughout all these clichés and they are so easy to debunk. One of my favorites is, ‘well there’s homosexuality in nature.’ There’s also the licking of one’s own genitals, the flinging of one’s own feces and the eating of live prey and then puking it up to feed your offspring in nature too.

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141 comments
1 Bulworth  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 12:57:31pm
As Ryan T. Anderson of the Heritage Foundation pointed out on CNN this week that just drove the reporter into a meltdown, ‘no one is in jail for having consensual homosexual sex with another adult,

OK, but it’s not for a lack of trying on the part of Justice Scalia and the “family” research council and other haters.

2 Bulworth  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 12:59:57pm
With this issue there are no good arguments for it because the argument essentially boils down to, ‘because I want it.’ It’s essentially a tantrum; it’s policy by desire. ‘Because I want it.’ It’s a child throwing a hissy-fit, tantrum in Wal-Mart because mom bought me the regular sized M&Ms and not the king-sized that I demanded.

OK, but enough about conservatives always demanding tax cuts…

3 Kragar  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 1:00:25pm

How is that rebranding working out for ya?

4 Skip Intro  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 1:01:01pm

They just get crazier and crazier looking.

5 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 1:01:28pm

Well, I’m glad this guy isn’t in charge. As much as I dislike O’Reilly, I don’t think he should be hanged.

6 Bulworth  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 1:01:32pm
With this issue there are no good arguments for it because the argument essentially boils down to, ‘because I want it.’ It’s essentially a tantrum; it’s policy by desire.

Want. Desire. It’s called Freedom. Accept it.

7 Bulworth  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 1:02:58pm
It’s essentially a tantrum

OK, but enough about the content of most wingnut radio/TV talk shows….

8 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 1:02:59pm

I met the sweetest Pitbull boy the other day. He was about a year and had been rescued from death row in Indiana. He had cigarette burn scars and his nose had been broken.

Now, I could argue very much that whoever would do this to a puppy … .

well, you get the idea.

9 Destro  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 1:03:58pm

This brand of GOP loudmouth does not care if the GOP loses nationally as long as they can keep their grift going on the social conservatives in their little gerrymandered ghetto-ized districts.

10 Skip Intro  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 1:04:27pm

Here’s the guy Crazy Eyes was talking to.

Image: bvp.jpg

11 lawhawk  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 1:05:06pm

re: #1 Bulworth

And yet it wasn’t long ago that such relations were deemed by the US Supreme Court to be illegal. Bowers v. Hardwick. 1986 case that upheld the criminalization of oral and anal sex between consensual partners in Georgia. It was overturned in 2003’s Lawrence v. Texas, holding that anti-sodomy laws are unconstitutional. In fact, Lawrence went so far as to say that Bowers was wrong when decided.

12 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 1:06:10pm

So I guess Deace is one person we’ll never hear the phrase “natural marriage” from.

13 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 1:07:32pm
14 Kragar  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 1:10:32pm

Just got a call that my father collapsed while out, he’s being taken to the hospital now.

15 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 1:11:30pm

so, the legal beagles here …

explain the process in which a law really becomes a law. I know it can pass the legislature, but it has to somehow get written into code and be dispersed to law enforcement. It’s not really a law until this happens because there is no procedure for enforcement—or something like that… .

Is this process the same on the State level as on the Federal level?

16 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 1:11:48pm

re: #14 Kragar

Just got a call that my father collapsed while out, he’s being taken to the hospital now.

{{{{{Kragar and Father and Family}}}}}

17 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 1:12:17pm

re: #14 Kragar

{{{Kragar}}}

18 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 1:13:04pm

re: #14 Kragar

Hope all is well!

19 lawhawk  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 1:13:27pm

re: #14 Kragar

Good luck and hope that he makes a speedy recovery.

20 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 1:13:36pm

re: #14 Kragar

Oh no! Hope it’s not serious. Are you going to the hospital?

21 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 1:13:44pm

re: #14 Kragar

Just got a call that my father collapsed while out, he’s being taken to the hospital now.

My thoughts are with you. All the best to your father.

22 blueraven  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 1:13:51pm

re: #14 Kragar

Hoping it is nothing serious!

23 Bulworth  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 1:14:12pm

Conservatives: Freedom, liberty, blah blah blah, Don’t Tread on Me, Freedom, Liberty, Freedom, Less government, blah, blah, blah, Don’t Tread on Me, individual rights, blah blah blah, you can have my gun when you pry it from my cold, dead…

Modern people: gays should marry

Conservatives: WTF?! What you want or desire isn’t important! You’re throwing a tantrum…

24 jaunte  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 1:14:28pm
It’s a child throwing a hissy-fit, tantrum in Wal-Mart because mom bought me the regular sized M&Ms and not the king-sized that I demanded.

No, Steve you’re confused. That was you.

25 HappyWarrior  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 1:17:51pm

Ah conservative rebranding. Working out so, so well thus far. O’Reilly’s full of shit honestly but Deace is a psycho.

26 Kragar  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 1:18:13pm

My Mom got the call he’s being taken to the hospital by ambulance, she doesn’t know which one yet or what is wrong exactly. My brother lives across town and is getting ready to head over. I’m at least 3 hours away if I speed, so she told me to stay put until we learn more, so I’m knocking out as much as I can at work. My boss already approved any time off I might need in the next few days.

I called my wife, but told her not to tell the kids yet.

27 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 1:19:12pm

re: #26 Kragar

My Mom got the call he’s being taken to the hospital by ambulance, she doesn’t know which one yet or what is wrong exactly. My brother lives across town and is getting ready to head over. I’m at least 3 hours away if I speed, so she told me to stay put until we learn more, so I’m knocking out as much as I can at work. My boss already approved any time off I might need in the next few days.

I called my wife, but told her not to tell the kids yet.

Yeah, best to wait until you know what you can do to be helpful and not just in the way.

I hate that, I always want to be right there, but sometimes it’s best not to be.

28 Bulworth  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 1:19:19pm

Meanwhile, Senator Bob Casey has evolved on gay marriage, now favors it.

29 HappyWarrior  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 1:20:05pm

re: #28 Bulworth

Meanwhile, Senator Bob Casey has evolved on gay marriage, now favors it.

Good on him. Really the more people from both parties that come around on this, the better for the country.

30 Kragar  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 1:20:44pm

My mom hasn’t driven a car in 10 years. I told her to get up with the neighbors as soon as possible and arrange some transportation if she needs to get somewhere before my brother can get there.

31 Sionainn  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 1:22:20pm

re: #14 Kragar

Just got a call that my father collapsed while out, he’s being taken to the hospital now.

I hope he’s okay. ((((Kragar))))

32 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 1:22:45pm

re: #14 Kragar

Just got a call that my father collapsed while out, he’s being taken to the hospital now.

Oh geez. Sending strength and healing vibes his way.

33 Gus  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 1:24:36pm

re: #30 Kragar

My mom hasn’t driven a car in 10 years. I told her to get up with the neighbors as soon as possible and arrange some transportation if she needs to get somewhere before my brother can get there.

How old is your dad?

34 Kragar  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 1:25:14pm

She said he called her and told her he was getting taken by ambulance, so he was conscious, just feeling dizzy, so I’m taking that as a good sign.

35 Kragar  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 1:25:29pm

re: #33 Gus

How old is your dad?

In his 70s.

36 BongCrodny  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 1:28:53pm

‘no one is in jail for having consensual homosexual sex with another adult…”

Translation: “you should be grateful we even allow you second-class citizenship.”

37 Gus  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 1:29:30pm

re: #35 Kragar

In his 70s.

Hope he gets well soon.

38 Gus  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 1:38:12pm

“If you have courage and convictions, your new soul mate will be Steve Deace. He delivers.”
— Mike Huckabee

39 Kragar  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 1:38:45pm

I’d kill for an Ativan right now.

40 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 1:39:34pm

re: #39 Kragar

I’d kill for an Ativan right now.

Deep Cleansing Breathes

Deep Cleansing Breathe

41 Political Atheist  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 1:40:18pm
…throw them under the bus and use the enemy’s own language against them. To me that’s a hanging offense; that is a hanging offense.

Speaking as a man who leans right in some ways, expletives aside, the awful things is he is declaring are that we on the right (a little or a lot, way out there) may not learn, may not show compassion outside the fold (so to speak) and then he will refuse to engage in any sane debate.

42 ReamWorks SKG  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 1:40:29pm
“no one is in jail for having consensual homosexual sex with another adult, what you’re trying to do is impose your narrow definition of what this means and therefore what it means for free speech and religious liberty on everybody else.”

If my same-sex spouse were to die, and I didn’t want to pay “estate taxes” on what married couples are allowed to take w/o these taxes (for amounts exceeding ~ $5MM in 2013), then they’d send me to jail!

In fact, the DOMA case before SCOTUS right now is about a disputed $330K tax bill.

43 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 1:42:37pm

re: #34 Kragar

She said he called her and told her he was getting taken by ambulance, so he was conscious, just feeling dizzy, so I’m taking that as a good sign.

Best of luck to you all.

44 Political Atheist  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 1:43:00pm

re: #35 Kragar

Best wishes and prayers here for him. It’s so hard to wait for news.

45 Kragar  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 1:46:54pm

Fischer: Ben Carson Has Been the Victim of the Left’s ‘Demonic Hatred’

“The raw, unvarnished, vitriolic hatred and animus and hostility” has “completely blown [Carson] away,” Fischer speculated, because “he had no idea of the demonic hatred that exists on the part of the media and secular fundamentalists against people who support the idea, defend the idea, of natural marriage”:

46 kerFuFFler  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 1:48:09pm
because the argument essentially boils down to, ‘because I want it.’ It’s essentially a tantrum;

Funny, that is just how the arguments against gay marriage sound to me——-they just “don’t want” others to have that right.

In the absence of empirical reasons why it should be disallowed, they basically just cite their preference, or the preferences of people from thousands of years ago. “…it’s traditional….blah blah blah”.

At least the people clamoring for the right to marry are not taking anything from others. The anti marriage equality contingent have to take a fundamental right from others to be satisfied, so it makes sense for the pro equality people to prevail.

47 Kragar  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 1:49:50pm

Trying to keep my mind occupied by focusing on other things right now. Left to my own devices, I have a natural tendency to envision worst case scenarios.

48 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 1:50:36pm

re: #47 Kragar

Trying to keep my mind occupied by focusing on other things right now. Left to my own devices, I have a natural tendency to envision worst case scenarios.

DO NOT PROJECT>

49 smorpheus  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 1:51:01pm
One of my favorites is, ‘well there’s homosexuality in nature.’ There’s also the licking of one’s own genitals, the flinging of one’s own feces and the eating of live prey and then puking it up to feed your offspring in nature too.

In the pre-internet days, a common argument to oppose gay just-about-anything was that it wasn’t in nature, so it’s obviously some kind of human sin (as opposed to seriously-natural nature sins like murder, theft, worshiping false gods, etc.)

Then biologists pointed out that there is a lot of well-documented homosexuality of all stripes in nature.

And now it’s a straw man for these same idiots.
I’ll call this the Triple Backflip Switcheroo Fallacy.

50 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 1:53:42pm

re: #49 smorpheus

In the pre-internet days, a common argument to oppose gay just-about-anything was that it wasn’t in nature, so it’s obviously some kind of human sin (as opposed to seriously-natural nature sins like murder, theft, worshiping false gods, etc.)

Then biologists pointed out that there is a lot of well-documented homosexuality of all stripes in nature.

And now it’s a straw man for these same idiots.
I’ll call this the Triple Backflip Switcheroo Fallacy.

somehow, humans aren’t supposed to be “of nature”???

arrogance.

51 makeitstop  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 1:54:31pm

Hoping for the best here, Kragar.

52 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 1:55:23pm

When conservatives say “Stay out of my business.” They just aren’t referreing to taxes and business finance and regulations. They mean their lives.

Somehow, that doesn’t translate into other people’s lives.

53 jhncsy  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 1:55:30pm

Well, Steve Deace seems like a real prick, but he’s got Bill O’Reilly’s number:

But when you are trying to profit off of the very people you are betraying and you have tried to condescend them and patronize them for years and then at the moment they probably need you to return the favor of all the money they made you over the last fifteen years the most, you stab them in the back, throw them under the bus and use the enemy’s own language against them.

And it’s true- O’Reilly is a reasonably intelligent man who simply has no problem with pandering to the wing nuts- remember “Tide goes in, tide goes out, can’t explain that”? I don’t think old Bill really believes half the crap he spews (unless it involves his wallet) he’s just playing a part for money.

What makes me laugh is how loonies like Deace will turn on frauds like O’Reilly for tricking them, but they never stop think about their own complicity. The only reason they’re being fooled and being used is because they want to be fooled and used.

54 Kragar  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 1:56:59pm
55 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 1:58:59pm

re: #54 Kragar

Carson’s example shows utter folly of thinking that being nice is key to changing people’s minds.

Right. It also helps to be cogent.

56 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 1:59:04pm

bbl

57 Bulworth  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 1:59:13pm

re: #49 smorpheus

This.

Modern People: what’s wrong with gay marriage?

Wingnuts: Do you want polygamy? Beastiality? Huh?

Modern people: gay marriage isn’t polygamy or beastiality.

Wingnuts: you’re changing definition of marriage!

Modern people: marriage has had many meanings and reasons over the years, particularly when women had no rights and were considered the property of their husbands

Wingnuts: it’ll destroy marriage?

Modern people: how?

Wingnuts: you’ll outlaw religion…

etc, etc

58 kerFuFFler  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 1:59:25pm
you have tried to condescend them and patronize them for years and then at the moment they probably need you to return the favor of all the money they made you over the last fifteen years the most, you stab them in the back, throw them under the bus and use the enemy’s own language against them.

Hmmm, “they need you you to return the favor”, by only saying what they want to hear? Oh noes, someone on Fox has shared a different viewpoint, whatever should they do? Hang ‘im, of course!

I do agree that Billo will say anything that his paymasters want him to, but social conservatives have to understand that the wealthy faction of the GOP does not care about the social issues and sees the need to find more votes to promote and protect their tax cuts.

Popcorn anyone?

59 Kragar  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 2:05:19pm

re: #55 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

Right. It also helps to be cogent.

COGENT ARGUMENTS ARE THE DEVIL!

60 Kragar  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 2:11:42pm

Mom called. He is conscious, in the ER, and they are running tests now. A neighbor is going over to pick up the car and bring it home for her.

61 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 2:14:08pm

re: #60 Kragar

If it makes you feel any better, my dad fell off his bike after feeling faint like a year ago and… that was it. Nothing worse came about. He’s in his 70s and he had a dizzy spell.

Hoping for the best.

62 wrenchwench  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 2:14:43pm

re: #60 Kragar

Probably just dehydration.

There are plenty of benign possibilities.

STOP THINKING ABOUT IT!

/

63 Kragar  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 2:28:13pm

Conservative group labels Eric Holder as America’s top ‘facilitator of porn’

Morality in Media announced the launch of its “Dirty Dozen List” webpage on Monday. Holder is number one in the list of “the top 12 facilitators of porn” in the United States.

“Holder’s actions keep the porn industry thriving,” said Patrick A. Trueman, the president of Morality in Media. “He not only refuses to enforce obscenity laws currently on the books that prohibit the distribution of hardcore pornography, but he even disbanded the office charged with enforcement.”

Holder shut down the Justice Department’s Obscenity Prosecution Task Force, a division created under President George W. Bush in 2005 to crack down on pornography. Justice Department officials said obscenity cases would be handled by the U.S. Attorneys’ offices and the Criminal Division’s Child Exploitation and Obscenity Section, as they had been in the past.

Morality in Media has previously targeted Holder for what they describe as a “lack of enforcement of adult pornography laws.” The group wants the prosecution of hardcore pornography to be a priority of the Department of Justice.

64 Kragar  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 2:30:05pm

Other porn facilitators:
Wikipedia
the DoD
Barnes and Nobles
Twitter
Facebook

65 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 2:31:40pm

re: #60 Kragar

Mom called. He is conscious, in the ER, and they are running tests now. A neighbor is going over to pick up the car and bring it home for her.

Thats a good sign. I made my family crazy a couple years ago on vacation when I was at a Tennessee grocery store. I passed out and busted my skull.

Prayers from Virginia coming at ya:)

66 Kragar  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 2:34:08pm

Social conservatives fight back

The preferred plot line for many in the GOP establishment for revitalizing their party goes something like this: They move to a more libertarian stance on key social issues — particularly same-sex marriage — and the Bible-thumping, evangelical wing of the party meekly complies, realizing times have changed.

One problem with that scenario, however: The Christian Right, while a diminished force, doesn’t like how that story ends at all.

67 Aligarr  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 2:35:44pm

re: #14 Kragar

Hey Kragar , hope your Pop is ok .

68 Bulworth  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 2:37:59pm

re: #38 Gus

“If you have courage and convictions, your new soul mate will be Steve Deace. He delivers.”
— Mike Huckabee

Courage! Bold! Standing up! Persecuted! The moral equivalent of the Civil Rights marchers!

/

69 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 2:40:28pm

re: #34 Kragar

She said he called her and told her he was getting taken by ambulance, so he was conscious, just feeling dizzy, so I’m taking that as a good sign.

That is a GOOD THING. He is going where he can get the help that he needs.
Hang on to that thought!

71 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 2:45:09pm

re: #69 Dancing along the light of day

That is a GOOD THING. He is going where he can get the help that he needs.
Hang on to that thought!


And here’s another good sight for the day.
There seem to be a lot of giraffes born in zoos recently. Here’s a pic of the little, but still tall, lady:

zooborns.com

72 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 2:48:26pm

By the way, you may not be aware of a cool feature in the LGF Image Library — if you insert several images into a comment (with the Image Library’s “Insert” button), they automagically become a slideshow when you click on any of them.

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73 Kragar  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 2:56:37pm

Palin’s SarahPAC Embarrassment: Consultants Are Cashing In

Seen through the lens of the invaluable Center for Responsive Politics, Palin’s PAC spent $5.1 million in the last election cycle (more than it raised in that time period, raising some questions about Palin’s claims of fiscal responsibility).

But the real news comes when you look at how donors’ money was actually doled out: just $298,500 to candidates. The bulk of the rest of it, more than $4.8 million, went to—you guessed it—consultants.

That’s some seriously hypocritical overhead.

In total, Palin’s PAC spent $980,000 on campaign expenses, $1.3 million on administrative costs (including almost a million dollars on postage), and three-quarters of a million on fundraising. Hidden in all of this—amid the direct mail and the media buys—is consultants’ cut of every dollar spent.

74 Tigger2005  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 3:02:00pm

re: #49 smorpheus

In the pre-internet days, a common argument to oppose gay just-about-anything was that it wasn’t in nature, so it’s obviously some kind of human sin (as opposed to seriously-natural nature sins like murder, theft, worshiping false gods, etc.)

Then biologists pointed out that there is a lot of well-documented homosexuality of all stripes in nature.

And now it’s a straw man for these same idiots.
I’ll call this the Triple Backflip Switcheroo Fallacy.

There’s no consistency to their arguments, none.

“Homosexuality is not natural!”
“Actually there are many documented observations of homosexuality in nature.”
“So we should do everything animals do just because it’s ‘natural’?”

How about the anti-evolution argument:

“Teaching evolution leads to social Darwinism!”
“Isn’t Ayn Rand-style, laissez-faire Capitalism just social Darwinism?”
“But competition and survival of the fittest is natural!”

75 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 3:17:22pm

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76 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 3:19:51pm

For all you wine aficionados…

Vintage discovery: World’s oldest wine tasting note unearthed in China

As yet another example of how everything seems to originate in China, an amateur archaeologist in the central province of Sichuan has unearthed the world’s oldest wine tasting note, states academic journal People’s Historical Review (PHR).

According to PHR, Lao Lai discovered the tasting note sealed in a clay jar buried two meters below ground.

“The texture of the paper, its degree of decay and the other antiquities dug up in the area all testify to its age,” says Lao, who estimates the note to be approximately 5000 years old.

The note is part of a dispatch from an anonymous wealthy customer to a wine-maker named Jiu Buhao.

It starts cordially: “I have with great joy tried your newest creation, master wine-maker Jiu, and found the fruit ample, the body unctuous and with both “arms and legs”, and the finish long and lingering like that of the most exquisite peppercorn.”

The customer was less enthusiastic about the smell, states PHR.

“I apologize for raising this sensitive issue, but as a long-term customer, I feel it is in your interest and mine to speak the truth,” says the note. “I find this wine’s aroma ever-so-slightly off. I sense a scrape of damp twig. A bit musty, a touch dirty. I dare say it smells like your mom“. [Yikes! - Ed.]

77 darthstar  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 3:20:40pm
78 darthstar  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 3:24:50pm

On second thought, I think I’ll have a salad.

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79 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 3:29:23pm

re: #77 darthstar

I AM THOR! HEAR ME ROAR!

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Whoever decided putting Thor on a pink scooter was a good idea either:
A. Hated the character.
B. was insane.
C. Both A and B.
D. Rand Paul

80 wrenchwench  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 3:29:53pm

re: #77 darthstar

I AM THOR! HEAR ME ROAR!

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I have one of these:

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It was no fun googling for information on ‘Randy Rider’.

81 Gus  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 3:30:30pm

re: #4 Skip Intro

They just get crazier and crazier looking.

But he’s just a clown! //

82 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 3:31:11pm

re: #76 NJDhockeyfan

For all you wine aficionados…

Vintage discovery: World’s oldest wine tasting note unearthed in China

My wife says that may be an April Fool’s joke. It’s the line “Smells like your mom” that’s the giveaway.

83 engineer cat  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 3:31:57pm

re: #76 NJDhockeyfan

For all you wine aficionados…

Vintage discovery: World’s oldest wine tasting note unearthed in China

yiu qant fu mi

84 darthstar  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 3:39:06pm

re: #80 wrenchwench

It was no fun googling for information on ‘Randy Rider’.

Some things go without saying.

85 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 3:43:22pm

re: #77 darthstar

I AM THOR! HEAR ME ROAR!

Image: 529149_4302140246621_1930062074_n.jpg

I’d be thor too if I rode on one of those things very long.

86 wrenchwench  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 3:56:08pm

What did Ezra Klein tweet that has folks complaining?

87 efuseakay  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 4:11:39pm

Oh, the glorious Photoshops one can do with that guy’s photo…

88 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 4:18:23pm

Really, Conservatives have no one to blame but themselves for the whole mess. Had they just kept Marriage from becoming a legal term and instead left it a religious term, we wouldn’t be having this issue.

But now it’s so wrapped up in the legal side, that people would scream more if people tried to remove the legal meaning.

But it would be the simplest solution, simply declare that Marriage no longer has a legal meaning and instead the only thing recognized as a legal term would be ‘civil unions’ Then it would be up to an individual church to decide if they wish to hold a marriage or recognize other churches marriages.

Oh well, they lay in the bed they made, and I can’t really muster any sympathy for them.

89 Kragar  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 4:19:31pm

AP: Error Led To Release Of Prison Chief Slaying Suspect About 4 Years Early

In 2008, Evan Spencer Ebel pleaded guilty to assaulting a prison guard in a court in rural Fremont County. He was to be sentenced to four additional years in prison, to be served after he completed the eight-year sentence that put him behind bars in 2008, according to a statement from the 11th Judicial District.

However, the court clerk failed to note after the plea that the sentence was supposed to be served “consecutively,” or after, Ebel’s current one. So the legal system recorded it as one to be served “concurrently,” or at the same time.

So on Jan. 28, prisons officials saw that Ebel had finished his court-ordered sentence and had no option but to release him. Two months later he was dead after a shootout with authorities in Texas. The gun he used was the same used to shoot prisons chief Tom Clements to death two days earlier. Police believe Ebel also was involved in the death of a Domino’s delivery man, Nathan Leon, in Denver.

90 Gus  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 4:21:39pm

re: #86 wrenchwench

What did Ezra Klein tweet that has folks complaining?

This.

washingtonpost.com

Haven’t really read it.

91 Kragar  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 4:27:25pm

Well, apparently in some circles, I’m doomed to go straight to hell for my blasphemous “Santa was cursed by God” comment.

Oh, the horror. I is doooooomed.

92 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 4:41:08pm

re: #91 Kragar

You look good in doom!
doomwear.com

93 Kragar  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 4:41:29pm

Zombies beat Jesus

How powerful a ratings champ is “The Walking Dead”? Not only did Sunday night’s third-season finale beat the miniseries finale of “The Bible” on History Channel and the third-season premiere of “Game of Thrones” on HBO, but “The Walking Dead” season-ender also broke the series’ own ratings record.

I have it on good authority that Jesus comes back strong after 3 days.

94 Kragar  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 4:42:22pm

re: #92 Dancing along the light of day

You look good in doom!
doomwear.com

I’m gonna sing the DOOM SONG!

95 Stanley Sea  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 4:42:59pm
96 Gus  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 4:43:22pm

re: #91 Kragar

Well, apparently in some circles, I’m doomed to go straight to hell for my blasphemous “Santa was cursed by God” comment.

Oh, the horror. I is doooooomed.

Let me guess… nah, screw ‘em.

97 Ming  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 4:48:44pm

re: #43 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

Best wishes, Kragar. I hope the medical people can shed some light on why this happened.

98 Varek Raith  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 4:53:39pm

re: #70 NJDhockeyfan

Drones!

NASA Launches Three Military Drones Into An Active Volcano

Not so much launching as chucking.
XD

99 Varek Raith  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 4:59:01pm

Wow, download speed from youtube is 39kbps.
Awesome.

100 wrenchwench  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 5:05:36pm

re: #90 Gus

This.

washingtonpost.com

Haven’t really read it.

It’s dumb. What he needs is some self discipline, and to unfollow 9/10 of who he’s following. If you find people who tweet good stuff, and only retweet the best stuff, that’s all you need.

Of course I follow Gus.

Didn’t Ezra say he was going to live tweet the debates, but not read anybody else’s tweets? I think he’s a bit self-important.

101 Aligarr  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 5:06:36pm

Daaaaamn ! throwing feces , licking your own balls , monkeys do that , and my dog checks out his equiptment atleast once a day .Looks like the arguments about same sex marriage are hitting the gutter.

102 darthstar  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 5:09:25pm

re: #101 Aligarr

Daaaaamn ! throwing feces , licking your own balls , monkeys do that , and my dog checks out his equiptment atleast once a day .Looks like the arguments about same sex marriage are hitting the gutter.

Dogs only lick their own balls because they can. If god didn’t want men to wage war on each other, he would have given them the same capability.

103 Mentis Fugit  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 5:09:53pm

re: #93 Kragar

Zombies beat Jesus

I have it on good authority that Jesus comes back strong after 3 days.

Then he needs to switch ISP

104 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 5:13:47pm

re: #88 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All

Really, Conservatives have no one to blame but themselves for the whole mess. Had they just kept Marriage from becoming a legal term and instead left it a religious term, we wouldn’t be having this issue.

But now it’s so wrapped up in the legal side, that people would scream more if people tried to remove the legal meaning.

But it would be the simplest solution, simply declare that Marriage no longer has a legal meaning and instead the only thing recognized as a legal term would be ‘civil unions’ Then it would be up to an individual church to decide if they wish to hold a marriage or recognize other churches marriages.

Oh well, they lay in the bed they made, and I can’t really muster any sympathy for them.

It’s been a legal term for longer than the current types of liberals and conservatives have existed. Your argument FAILs on the facts.

105 lawhawk  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 5:23:55pm
106 engineer cat  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 5:31:15pm

re: #103 Mentis Fugit

Then he needs to switch ISP

so you’re saying JSON is short for JeSus Object Notation

107 lawhawk  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 5:33:06pm

re: #60 Kragar

Hope your dad’s doing better, and the doctors are able to figure out what’s going on and that he makes a swift recovery.

108 prairiefire  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 5:38:33pm

Aww, he’s got a bee in his bonnet! Was he raised in the 1920”s?

109 Killgore Trout  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 5:45:46pm

re: #90 Gus

This.

washingtonpost.com

Haven’t really read it.

Good article, he’s right but it’s not just about twitter. The signal to noise ratio in American politics sucks. There are serious problems that need serious discussion. It’s not happening.

110 freetoken  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 5:48:47pm

re: #109 Killgore Trout

Maybe the “noise” is the “signal”?

111 freetoken  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 5:49:58pm

re: #90 Gus

I noticed that the new Dr. Who episode took a dig at Twitter.

112 freetoken  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 5:53:27pm

Of all the possible places to print one’s rant, Jonah Goldberg’s complaint about how evil libruls are still calling conservatives racists, while at the same time trying to assert that Dr. Carson is a better person than Rev. Leon, choosing National Review has that taint of hypocrisy that few other major outlets present:

Reverend León v. Dr. Carson

113 Gus  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 5:53:37pm

re: #111 freetoken

I noticed that the new Dr. Who episode took a dig at Twitter.

Did it?

114 Gus  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 5:54:01pm

I’m just lying back here today. Being quiet.

115 freetoken  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 5:55:09pm

re: #113 Gus

Did it?

Explicitly. Too much of the episode tried to be trendy and had plenty of references to passing products.

116 lawhawk  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 5:58:47pm

re: #113 Gus

“Imagine that, human souls trapped like flies in the World Wide Web stuck forever, crying out for help” “Isn’t that basically twitter?”

117 celticdragon  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 5:59:04pm

re: #104 Dark_Falcon

It’s been a legal term for longer than the current types of liberals and conservatives have existed. Your argument FAILs on the facts.

Marriage was not recognized as an issue of secular government until late in the 17th century(under English Common Law), if the government bothered to notice it at all. For most of English history, the “villeins” or peasants were pretty much on their own, and hand fasting was pretty well accepted when a local priest was nowhere to be found. The nobles didn’t give a shit as long as the peasants produced enough offspring to keep the fields tilled and taxes paid.

118 lawhawk  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 5:59:58pm

re: #115 freetoken

Establishing that she was a computer genius after being uploaded - which will probably play a huge role in figuring out how and why she was previously found as a Dalek… maybe…

119 Gus  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 6:01:42pm

re: #116 lawhawk

“Imagine that, human souls trapped like flies in the World Wide Web stuck forever, crying out for help” “Isn’t that basically twitter?”

Gets a little redundant many times. Same piece of news repeated over and over again. Sometimes when it’s late I finally lose my cool.

120 celticdragon  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 6:02:13pm

Off topic: My Facebook review of the new GI Joe movie.

1. It was really loud. Lots of things blow up (including most of London, which suffers a major failure of basic physics when a 3 meter long tungsten/titanium rod traveling at hypersonic speeds manages to do the same damage as a rather large nickel/iron meteor traveling at hypersonic speeds. Kinetic energy equals mass times the velocity squared except in London, where it equals mass times velocity taken to infinity, apparently.)
2. Submachineguns can shoot ninja stars out of the air, and Samurai swords can knock bullets aside from submachineguns. Who knew? Anyway, everyone has machine guns and samurai swords, so lots of stuff gets shot, diced and slashed.
3. Mountains are very dangerous. Because of all the ninjas and machine guns and Samurai swords. Don’t go near mountains.
4. Cobra soldiers are now wearing standard US Army pattern camo fatigues. I guess evil black uniforms are just soooo 1983.
5. The GI Joe team doesn’t need to worry about camo uniforms because they show lots of skin (see picture below). The Rock is an especially egregious offender on this point.
6. The person who put USMC and US Army stuff together on the same uniform should be tarred, feathered and run out of Holly wood.
7. US Apache gunships are still pretty damned nasty and menacing, and kill just about everything they can see. That was about the only thing the movie actually got right.

Image: s-GI-JOE-3-large.jpg
Loud, brainless and harmless fun.

121 Killgore Trout  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 6:07:52pm

Tune in, Turn on and drop out!

123 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 6:11:20pm

Sean Hannity is about to bring on good ol’ Patrick J. Buchanan to discuss North Korea. That good ol’ white supremacist piece of shit. I love Fox News.

124 prairiefire  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 6:12:47pm

re: #115 freetoken

Explicitly. Too much of the episode tried to be trendy and had plenty of references to passing products.

The scenes of the motor bike ride through London, so much London Porn. I was very happy.

125 freetoken  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 6:13:23pm

We are living in the golden age of anthropology:

Trove of Neanderthal Bones Found in Greek Cave

A trove of Neanderthal fossils including bones of children and adults, discovered in a cave in Greece hints the area may have been a key crossroad for ancient humans, researchers say.

The timing of the fossils suggests Neanderthals and humans may have at least had the opportunity to interact, or cross paths, there, the researchers added.

[…]

References this paper:

New Neanderthal remains from Mani peninsula, Southern Greece: The Kalamakia Middle Paleolithic cave site

The Kalamakia cave, a Middle Paleolithic site on the western coast of the Mani peninsula, Greece, was excavated in 1993–2006 by an interdisciplinary team from the Ephoreia of Paleoanthropology and Speleology (Greek Ministry of Culture) and the Muséum national d’Histoire naturelle (Paris). The site is dated to between ca. 100,000 and >39,000 years BP (Before Present) and has yielded Mousterian lithics, a rich fauna, and human remains from several layers. The latter include 10 isolated teeth, a cranial fragment and three postcranial elements. The remains represent at least eight individuals, two of them subadults, and show both carnivore and anthropogenic modifications. They can be identified as Neanderthal on the basis of diagnostic morphology on most specimens. A diet similar to that of Neanderthals from mixed habitat is suggested by our analysis of dental wear (occlusal fingerprint analysis) and microwear (occlusal texture microwear analysis), in agreement with the faunal and palynological analyses of the site. These new fossils significantly expand the Neanderthal sample known from Greece. Together with the human specimens from Lakonis and Apidima, the Kalamakia human remains add to the growing evidence of a strong Neanderthal presence in the Mani region during the Late Pleistocene.

126 Mentis Fugit  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 6:18:53pm

re: #120 celticdragon

1. It was really loud. Lots of things blow up (including most of London, which suffers a major failure of basic physics when a 3 meter long tungsten/titanium rod traveling at hypersonic speeds manages to do the same damage as a rather large nickel/iron meteor traveling at hypersonic speeds. Kinetic energy equals mass times the velocity squared except in London, where it equals mass times velocity taken to infinity, apparently.)

Hey! Only Doctor Who is allowed to destroy CardiffLondon.

127 freetoken  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 6:19:26pm

Speaking of PaleoPat, his latest article “Is America still a good country?” is getting the usual wide play in atavistville.

The very premise - that a nation state is either “good” or “bad” is about as silly as anything. Pat’s article is purely a play for the atavists to feel as if they once had a morally superior nation, until the evil modernists took it over.

128 Gus  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 6:20:45pm
129 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 6:21:55pm

re: #120 celticdragon

Loud, brainless and harmless fun.

You’re kinder to it than it deserves.

Of course, I grew up with 12” GI Joe Adventure Team so this whole Cobra thing that popped up when I was graduating from HS to basic has always made me just shake my head.

130 freetoken  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 6:22:58pm

re: #128 Gus

You could probably make a decent salary with the Iranian gov’t on a media consultant contract.

131 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 6:25:07pm

re: #117 celticdragon

Marriage was not recognized as an issue of secular government until late in the 17th century(under English Common Law), if the government bothered to notice it at all.

Affrèrement:

But non-relatives also used the contracts. In cases that involved single, unrelated men, Tulchin argues, these contracts provide “considerable evidence that the affrèrés were using affrèrements to formalize same-sex loving relationships.”

The ins-and-outs of the medieval relationships are tricky at best to figure out.

“I suspect that some of these relationships were sexual, while others may not have been,” Tulchin said. “It is impossible to prove either way and probably also somewhat irrelevant to understanding their way of thinking. They loved each other, and the community accepted that.”

132 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 6:52:44pm

re: #108 prairiefire

Aww, he’s got a bee in his bonnet! Was he raised in the 1920”s?

I use that line sometimes, though mostly when I want to sound ‘retro’.

133 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 6:56:09pm

re: #117 celticdragon

Marriage was not recognized as an issue of secular government until late in the 17th century(under English Common Law), if the government bothered to notice it at all. For most of English history, the “villeins” or peasants were pretty much on their own, and hand fasting was pretty well accepted when a local priest was nowhere to be found. The nobles didn’t give a shit as long as the peasants produced enough offspring to keep the fields tilled and taxes paid.

That’s still 100 years before the US existed. My words were intended to show that marriage was a legal concept long before post-WWII conservatism came onto the scene.

134 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 6:58:45pm

re: #128 Gus

OMFG.
I had heard that clowns could be scary…

135 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 7:01:37pm

re: #134 Dancing along the light of day

OMFG.
I had heard that clowns could be scary…

And assclowns even more so…

136 palomino  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 7:41:39pm

re: #95 Stanley Sea

Exactly. Why should Obama worry about pissing off Christian conservatives at this point? Nothing he says or does matters to people who made up their minds about him years ago.

Likewise, the fact that this same pastor was good friends with Bush means nothing to the right. First, the right has been trying to distance itself from Bush ever since late in his second term. Second, it may have been OK for Bush to be the pastor’s friend, but in Obama’s case it must signify something evil, maybe even Anti-Christy.

137 palomino  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 7:45:42pm

re: #123 Charles Johnson

Sean Hannity is about to bring on good ol’ Patrick J. Buchanan to discuss North Korea. That good ol’ white supremacist piece of shit. I love Fox News.

All the other revanchists, bigots and criminals from the Nixon Administration are either dead or quietly living their final years in nursing homes.

But Pat just keeps on going, like an energizer bunny motivated by the great lost cause of neo-confederacy and white superiority.

138 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Apr 1, 2013 8:51:19pm
But when you are trying to profit off of the very people you are betraying and you have tried to condescend them and patronize them for years and then at the moment they probably need you to return the favor of all the money they made you over the last fifteen years the most, you stab them in the back, throw them under the bus and use the enemy’s own language against them

One day these people are going to realize that their beliefs are so stupid and so wrong that only con artists and grifters would pretend to agree with them in order to hustle them out of their money. If you have no moral problems with separating fools from their money, there is no better racket than the modern conservative movement.

139 William of Orange  Tue, Apr 2, 2013 8:10:17am

I’m just stunned to hear he has nice words for Maddow.

140 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Tue, Apr 2, 2013 9:15:12am

re: #133 Dark_Falcon

That’s still 100 years before the US existed. My words were intended to show that marriage was a legal concept long before post-WWII conservatism came onto the scene.

My error, I should have simply said Religious conservatives with a small c and given more context. I keep forgetting that people can’t read my mind to discover my intent. :)

141 [deleted]  Tue, Apr 2, 2013 2:26:45pm

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