Sean Hannity and Michelle Malkin Reveal: They Were Beaten as Children

And now they beat their kids
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This is just sad. Generations of anger passed on by abuse and beatings resulted in hateful demagogues like Sean Hannity and Michelle Malkin, who pass on the legacy of abuse to their own children and preach it to others on Fox News.

Hannity and Malkin began by mounting an awful defense of recently-fired Rutgers basketball coach Mike Rice, and ended by revealing something truly disturbing about themselves.

At the end of the segment, the two conservatives’ defense of Rice involved recalling their own experience with being disciplined as children. “My father hit me with a belt, and I turned out okay,” the Fox host recalled. “Except in the minds of liberals.”

“Same here. And with more than a belt,” she said. “I’m sure the left thinks we are warped minds.”

She then concluded: “I’m much better at administering spankings now than receiving them.”

I’m not being snarky; it honestly does make me a bit sad to hear that Hannity and Malkin were beaten with belts (and worse, according to Malkin). I have no sympathy for the adults they are now, but I feel for the children they were.

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1 Stanley Sea  Fri, Apr 5, 2013 6:11:06pm

It was a horrific expose on the coach’s way of coaching. Ass Hole extroidinairre. But a troublesome reminder of the casual use of gay slurs…this is the campus that (as an NPR story reminded me) is still (hopefully) reeling from the death of Tyler Clementi.

Fuck Hannity and Malkin. They don’t count.

2 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Apr 5, 2013 6:11:27pm

Zero reflection on the fact that Rice was hitting and abusing someone else’s kids…and also adults or whom he had the power to end their athletic career.

But no, this is really a sign that liberals are sissies.

3 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 5, 2013 6:13:51pm

It honestly does make me a bit sad to hear that Hannity and Malkin were beaten with belts — and worse, according to Malkin. I have no sympathy for the adults they are now, but I feel for the children they were.

4 Gus  Fri, Apr 5, 2013 6:14:18pm

Well, that was a lot of hot air. What does discipline and beatings have to do with each other? Marine Corps drill instructors don’t beat the Marine recruits. Also, these basketball players are adults. When coach Wise started attacking them the typical response would be to allow these adult college students to “stand their ground” and punch coach Wise in the nose. College basketball players don’t become basketball players to be physically and mentally abused this way.

5 spiderx  Fri, Apr 5, 2013 6:15:20pm

Sometimes they really reveal who they are.

In John Dean’s “Conservatives without Conscience” he called this brand of conservatism - authoritarian conservatism. In Malkin and Hannity’s warped mind the left wing culture is to blame for the firing of the Rutgers basketball coach. Not, the crazy guy throwing basketballs at the heads of his players and hurling homophobic insults at them. No, that guy is trying to build character in them. Can’t you see it?

These kind of conservatives would like to see Rice’s methods used in more often in American life. How will the poor ever get it if we don’t beat them down first and dehumanize them? It builds character in them!

6 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 5, 2013 6:17:54pm

re: #4 Gus

Well, that was a lot of hot air. What does discipline and beatings have to do with each other? Marine Corps drill instructors don’t beat the Marine recruits. Also, these basketball players are adults. When coach Wise started attacking them the typical response would be to allow these adult college students to “stand their ground” and punch coach Wise in the nose. College basketball players don’t become basketball players to be physically and mentally abused this way.

Drill instructors can’t beat you, can’t touch you, they are even restricted as to how verbally abusive they can be. In no way are they comparable to what Rice was doing when he thought cameras weren’t watching. This guy makes Bobby Knight look civil by comparison.

7 Swampwitch  Fri, Apr 5, 2013 6:18:45pm

I was beaten with a belt as a child, but unlike Malkin’s and Hannity’s kids my son can say that not only was he never even spanked, he has a good person for a parent and not an overpaid Dominionist toadie.

8 Stanley Sea  Fri, Apr 5, 2013 6:18:46pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

It honestly does make me a bit sad to hear that Hannity and Malkin were beaten with belts — and worse, according to Malkin. I have no sympathy for the adults they are now, but I feel for the children they were.

I think they are lying. To fit in with their defense of the support of Rice.

9 Gus  Fri, Apr 5, 2013 6:18:53pm

And… Eric Murdock and ESPN are now left wing media? Huh?

10 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Apr 5, 2013 6:20:47pm

There’s strong consensus in the therapist community that beating your kids is extremely bad for them, and for the relationship of trust between you.

It also teaches children that it’s appropriate to use violence to solve situations, especially situations involving getting your way. Kids that are spanked are much more likely to themselves be aggressive and hit other kids.

11 Stanley Sea  Fri, Apr 5, 2013 6:20:53pm

re: #6 Targetpractice

Drill instructors can’t beat you, can’t touch you, they are even restricted as to how verbally abusive they can be. In no way are they comparable to what Rice was doing when he thought cameras weren’t watching. This guy makes Bobby Knight look civil by comparison.

Imagine what hasn’t been exposed. Kid soccer and on up.

12 efuseakay  Fri, Apr 5, 2013 6:20:58pm

re: #8 Stanley Sea

I think they are lying. To fit in with their defense of the support of Rice.

Bingo.

13 darthstar  Fri, Apr 5, 2013 6:21:59pm

Stopped in to see what’s going on. I have no interest in Sean Hannity or Michelle Malkin. They’re hateful people.

Have a good evening, everyone.

14 Stanley Sea  Fri, Apr 5, 2013 6:22:02pm

re: #10 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

There’s strong consensus in the therapist community that beating your kids is extremely bad for them, and for the relationship of trust between you.

It also teaches children that it’s appropriate to use violence to solve situations, especially situations involving getting your way. Kids that are spanked are much more likely to themselves be aggressive and hit other kids.

We are taught….

15 Stanley Sea  Fri, Apr 5, 2013 6:25:41pm

Levity!! My house still smells like brussel sprouts. I don’t care, it’s my house. Having a friend over for authentic lobster rolls, but I’m using these huge jumbo shrimp. I had a hard time killing the guy last time (took porn pix of alive & dead) not again.

Carry on.

16 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 5, 2013 6:26:30pm

re: #10 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

There’s strong consensus in the therapist community that beating your kids is extremely bad for them, and for the relationship of trust between you.

It also teaches children that it’s appropriate to use violence to solve situations, especially situations involving getting your way. Kids that are spanked are much more likely to themselves be aggressive and hit other kids.

Not surprising. I’d say a large part of my tense relationship with my father has a lot to do with being the subject of “discipline” growing up. When you grow up being afraid that you’ll hurt if you so much as look at someone cross-eyed, it’s hard to have a friendly relationship as adults. You’re too busy walking on eggshells to really connect.

17 Skip Intro  Fri, Apr 5, 2013 6:26:58pm

Congratulations, Fox. Since both Hannity and Malkin say they were beaten as children, and at least in Malkin’s case admit doing the same to their children, you’ve just given the green light to all of the delta minuses who take Fox News seriously.

18 lawhawk  Fri, Apr 5, 2013 6:27:10pm

How either of them was treated as a kid reflects poorly on their parents. It’s crummy to learn that they were assaulted and more as kids. But both are now excusing the actions of the now former Rutgers coach for assaulting college basketball players.

That’s what this is. It’s not training them to be better basketball players. It’s verbally and physically assaulting them.

The university’s supposed to be looking out for these students’ well being. In loco parentis. The AD, the coach, and the university failed them. End Stop. There is no excuse.

19 Gus  Fri, Apr 5, 2013 6:27:50pm

How is this conservative anyway? Could you imagine a college basketball coach throwing expletives like this back in the 50s or 60s? Do these two bozos think there wouldn’t be controversy?

20 Political Atheist  Fri, Apr 5, 2013 6:28:46pm

re: #10 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

There’s strong consensus in the therapist community that beating your kids is extremely bad for them, and for the relationship of trust between you.

It also teaches children that it’s appropriate to use violence to solve situations, especially situations involving getting your way. Kids that are spanked are much more likely to themselves be aggressive and hit other kids.

Is there a place for corporal punishment at all? What gives the most healthy yet really big impression to not do something bad, like perhaps something dangerous?

21 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Apr 5, 2013 6:29:50pm

re: #20 Political Atheist

Is there a place for corporal punishment at all? What gives the most healthy yet really big impression to not do something bad, like perhaps something dangerous?

According to the best research, beyond the age of toddler where a brief sharp slap on the hand, literally, when they reach for something dangerous, corporal punishment is harmful.

There are plenty of other ways of delivering strong impressions.

22 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Apr 5, 2013 6:30:58pm

re: #19 Gus

How is this conservative anyway? Could you imagine a college basketball throwing expletives like this back in the 50s or 60s? Do these two bozos think there wouldn’t be controversy?

I suspect if you delve deep enough, it involves some very unhealthy ideas about gender roles and how coaches are surrogate fathers that “toughen up” young men so that they can face the “real world” with their accumulated injuries from years of uncompensated athletic performance.

Screaming, shit-throwing coach is the second daddy that specializes in tough love.

23 Political Atheist  Fri, Apr 5, 2013 6:32:46pm

re: #21 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

That makes sense.
Is there a consensus on the best way(s) to make the lesson stick?

24 Gus  Fri, Apr 5, 2013 6:32:57pm

re: #22 The Ghost of a Flea

I suspect if you delve deep enough, it involves some very unhealthy ideas about gender roles and how coaches are surrogate fathers that “toughen up” young men so that they can face the “real world” with their accumulated injuries from years of uncompensated athletic performance.

Screaming, shit-throwing coach is the second daddy that specializes in tough love.

Yeah, was thinking about the macho angle.

25 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Apr 5, 2013 6:33:09pm

re: #22 The Ghost of a Flea

It’s basically prizing someone who is clearly out of control. It’s a fantasy of losing control, of being able to act like an asshole but having it excused because you’re being forceful.

There’s a lot of it in Hollywood, too. The worst excesses of some directors are excused because it’s part of their ‘process’. I wonder if Malkin and O’Reilly would excuse that douchebaggery as easily?

26 Iwouldprefernotto  Fri, Apr 5, 2013 6:39:01pm

A coach is someone who can give correction without causing resentment.
John Wooden

or this

What you are as a person is far more important than what you are as a basketball player.
John Wooden

Read more at brainyquote.com

27 Stanley Sea  Fri, Apr 5, 2013 6:39:13pm

re: #20 Political Atheist

Is there a place for corporal punishment at all? What gives the most healthy yet really big impression to not do something bad, like perhaps something dangerous?

Stink eye and the fear of whatever. They don’t need to actually do it. I.e my parents. They had the power without the belt. It’s totally possible.

28 Gus  Fri, Apr 5, 2013 6:39:45pm

If you want to hear a reasoned discussion on what happened go over to ESPN and watch the videos there. Begin here.

29 Stanley Sea  Fri, Apr 5, 2013 6:41:23pm

re: #26 Iwouldprefernotto

A coach is someone who can give correction without causing resentment.
John Wooden

or this

What you are as a person is far more important than what you are as a basketball player.
John Wooden

Read more at brainyquote.com

You just brought sanity and the best coach evah into the conversation. I thank you.

30 Political Atheist  Fri, Apr 5, 2013 6:42:21pm

re: #27 Stanley Sea

What I would get was being rather abruptly relocated. Along with abrupt words. Maybe suddenly lifted or pulled. Nothing injurious. Sudden meant I screwed up. The two together made a big impression. Later it was suspension of certain privileges.

31 jaunte  Fri, Apr 5, 2013 6:44:07pm

re: #19 Gus

How is this conservative anyway? Could you imagine a college basketball coach throwing expletives like this back in the 50s or 60s? Do these two bozos think there wouldn’t be controversy?

People like Hannity and Malkin are changing the ideal of being conservative into the reality of being locked into a victim/victimizer cycle.

32 Skip Intro  Fri, Apr 5, 2013 6:44:09pm
My father hit me with a belt, and I turned out okay,” the Fox host recalled.

Hell, I remember in Jr. High when we needed some discipline we were taken into the gym shower room, stripped down to a jock strap, and hit on the ass by an assistant coach with a paddle drilled with holes to make it move faster. Nothing S&M about that, no siree.

Does that qualify me for Fox News gig as a host or guest?

33 Stanley Sea  Fri, Apr 5, 2013 6:44:46pm

re: #30 Political Atheist

What I would get was being rather abruptly relocated. Along with abrupt words. Maybe suddenly lifted or pulled. Nothing injurious. Sudden meant I screwed up. The two together made a big impression. Later it was suspension of certain privileges.

I was on restriction as I remember, my whole year of 15. They did good, without corporal punishment. I love them and respect them still, with all their faults. Ha, why I never had a kiddo probably.

34 EPR-radar  Fri, Apr 5, 2013 6:46:02pm

re: #31 jaunte

People like Hannity and Malkin are changing the ideal of being conservative into the reality of being locked into a victim/victimizer cycle.

Perhaps “are changing” should be edited to “have changed”.

It seems to be a done deal, and present day movement conservatism is essentially abusive.

35 Iwouldprefernotto  Fri, Apr 5, 2013 6:46:44pm

re: #29 Stanley Sea

You just brought sanity and the best coach evah into the conversation. I thank you.

Many, many years ago, when I was in Jr High, I took an English class that was basically helping first or second graders learn to read. The teacher in charge told us about how great a teacher Wooden was and why. When psychologists observed his methods they soon learned that more than 75% of his interactions with his athletes was positive reinforcement. Our teacher said do this with our poor readers. It worked.

Good night from Brooklyn, NY.

36 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Apr 5, 2013 6:46:50pm

re: #23 Political Atheist

That makes sense.
Is there a consensus on the best way(s) to make the lesson stick?

That depends on the individual child.

37 jaunte  Fri, Apr 5, 2013 6:47:34pm

“If you come at me, I’ll beat you down.”
—Calvin Coolidge

38 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Apr 5, 2013 6:48:41pm

re: #20 Political Atheist

Is there a place for corporal punishment at all? What gives the most healthy yet really big impression to not do something bad, like perhaps something dangerous?

In the field of operant conditioning, it’s the consensus that punishment is the least effective method of instilling a behavior. This is because pain is so powerful a stimulus that people and animals over-generalize the behavior—>punishment relationship; instead of a nice steady shaping of a behavior, you get a giant mess of un-targeted behaviors being altered or extinguished. Also, the great the time interval between the behavior and the punishment, the more the relationship muddies. Sometimes even if you successfully shape the targeted behavior, you end up with corollary associations.

The best examples of the problems with punishment are stories from people who’ve gone through the more extreme versions of the pseudoscientific “gay cure” of reparitive therapy.

And that’s before entering into the problem of whether the persons doing the conditioning are truly disciplined in following an operant program. Getting mad, dealing arbitrary punishments, (when dealing with human subjects) being insulting rather than sticking to “behavior X caused punishment Y”—all these things make the punishment regimen ineffective.

39 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 5, 2013 6:49:47pm

Rice got away with this shit because he knew he had control over those players, that he held the power over their scholarships in his hands. If they talked back, fought back, or lashed out at him for the behavior, he’d bounce their ass and they’d be SOL. That’s not discipline, that’s extortion.

40 jaunte  Fri, Apr 5, 2013 6:50:18pm

Stewart: Hannity Seems Like the Show of a Guy Who Was Hit With a Belt

STEWART: Anyway, coming up next, I shout at people I disagree with for an hour. Seriously? You’re okay? Have you seen your show? Because it seems like the show of a guy who was hit with a belt as a child. By the way, it’s got to be so exhausting to have to categorize everything that happens through your right/left, two dimensional goggles. This isn’t a liberal, left-wing media, persecuting on politically correct grounds. This was a basketball coach who acted like an asshole and got fired.

What is wrong with you? What do you watch The Shining and go “Oh yeah, that’s the movie about how Shelley Duvall learned a good lesson”?

41 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Apr 5, 2013 6:51:39pm

Michelle Malkin is just ugly. And, a good reason to NOT watch TeeVee.

42 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Apr 5, 2013 6:57:56pm

re: #39 Targetpractice

Rice got away with this shit because he knew he had control over those players, that he held the power over their scholarships in his hands. If they talked back, fought back, or lashed out at him for the behavior, he’d bounce their ass and they’d be SOL. That’s not discipline, that’s extortion.

The ugliest part of the Hannity/Malkin talk is that they’re actually saying two ugly things at the same time: that it’s okay for parents to beat their kids, and it’s okay for people with authority to abuse their (adult) subordinates.

Oh…and extra irony points for two people that make a living complaining about how they feel injured by the words and actions and others being the ones talking about this.

43 Stanley Sea  Fri, Apr 5, 2013 7:02:10pm

re: #39 Targetpractice

Rice got away with this shit because he knew he had control over those players, that he held the power over their scholarships in his hands. If they talked back, fought back, or lashed out at him for the behavior, he’d bounce their ass and they’d be SOL. That’s not discipline, that’s extortion.

Q F T

44 Political Atheist  Fri, Apr 5, 2013 7:07:58pm

re: #38 The Ghost of a Flea

This is interesting to me from a point of view apart from parenting. I admit I look askance at martial arts classes for really young kids. My teacher & I taught classes that had fiery teens in them. And sparring was a big part of training in this place. The system was far more defensive than sporting. So what to do with the occasional bully? I was taught to step up to the mat as instructor and spar that kid in a way that was not at all hard hitting. But would run that kid out in endurance, run him or her utterly out of gas and then step up the threat of truly hard contact to show them what real physical disadvantage was.

That was causing a certain kind of pain on purpose (lungs and arms) unrelated to impact. Then bow out, take that kid casually aside and explain how cowardly and inappropriate it was to take advantage of a smaller or less skilled student in sparring. How my forbearance had spared them real injury and I darn well demanded the exact same of them.

45 Political Atheist  Fri, Apr 5, 2013 7:28:20pm

KTT ?

46 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Fri, Apr 5, 2013 7:29:53pm

I’m always a bit morbidly fascinated by people who brag about being spanked and subsequently turning out “okay”, without stopping to think that they turned out as the kind of person who thinks it’s acceptable to do something to children that would land you in prison for doing to an adult.

47 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Apr 5, 2013 7:43:20pm

re: #42 The Ghost of a Flea

The ugliest part of the Hannity/Malkin talk is that they’re actually saying two ugly things at the same time: that it’s okay for parents to beat their kids, and it’s okay for people with authority to abuse their (adult) subordinates.

These people take the Athenian’s side in the Melian Dialog, “The strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must.”

To them the idea of not doing something when you have the power to do it is simply a concept they cannot comprehend. It’s a form of psychopathy. I don’t know if it’s genetic or environment. Probably both.

48 EPR-radar  Fri, Apr 5, 2013 7:48:16pm

re: #47 Romantic Heretic

These people take the Athenian’s side in the Melian Dialog, “The strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must.”

To them the idea of not doing something when you have the power to do it is simply a concept they cannot comprehend. It’s a form of psychopathy. I don’t know if it’s genetic or environment. Probably both.

Agreed. Reminds me of this gem from 2004, where the “aide” of this passage is most likely Karl Rove

The aide said that guys like me were “in what we call the reality-based community,” which he defined as people who “believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.” … “That’s not the way the world really works anymore,” he continued. “We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors…and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.”

49 Ming  Fri, Apr 5, 2013 8:46:21pm

re: #42 The Ghost of a Flea

Oh…and extra irony points for two people that make a living complaining about how they feel injured by the words and actions and others being the ones talking about this.

You nailed it.

I’m also thinking “reaction formation”, terribly sad in this case because the abusee wants to protect the abuser. (“The abuse didn’t happen, it wasn’t that bad, and Mommy or Daddy didn’t really mean to hurt me!”) We wouldn’t want a liberal nanny state to snoop around The Rutgers basketball courts, and protect other people’s children, would we?

50 stabby  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 1:25:17am

re: #8 Stanley Sea

I think they are lying. To fit in with their defense of the support of Rice.

Of course they’re not lying. Who would lie about that?

It’s the fact that they were abused as children that makes them into twisted wingnuts who want to see more abuse and protect abusers. Identifying with their abuser rather than with themselves is part of how young children cope with abuse.

51 chadu  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 6:46:33am

re: #3 Charles Johnson

It honestly does make me a bit sad to hear that Hannity and Malkin were beaten with belts — and worse, according to Malkin. I have no sympathy for the adults they are now, but I feel for the children they were.

I was beaten with a belt. I didn’t turn out okay due to that.

52 chadu  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 6:53:41am

re: #21 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

There are plenty of other ways of delivering strong impressions.

The greatest and most lasting punishment I ever received as a child was restricting my reading for a month for purposefully destroying my glasses* in Second Grade.

My parents taped a garbage bag over my bookshelf, and I could only read my schoolbooks.

* This was me being stupid. Hearing that my lenses were shatterproof, I assumed they were invulnerable, and banged them against everything. When they finally broke against a desk leg, I was shocked and appalled, and my mom and dad were pissed.

53 labman57  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 7:20:26am

So child abuse is okay, and Malkin and Hannity turned out just fine.
Let’s check the score: Sorry you two, you’re both 0 for 2.

54 teresa  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 8:38:17am

And there you go, that is the thing about hitting your children, (I never did that) why would you raise your children to be fearful of you, their parent? It makes no sense, but to kneejerk conservatives it makes sense. I don’t get it, there are better ways to teach your children, because when you hit them you take the easy way out and it teaches them nothing.

My parents, well my mom, who was a young mom, my dad was always working, did hit us, because in the 60’s and 70’s it was the norm. But we lived in a bit of fear, yet it didn’t stop either my brother or myself from breaking the “rules”. I am pretty sure it made my brother break more rules. :/

I did vow I would never hit my children, and guess what I never did nor did my husband, I think we were all better off for it. We knew from the time each of them were born they were human beings and being treated with respect was the most important thing we could do as parents. Conservatives get that, they are stuck in a past that never existed, where things were so much better… LOL, it wasn’t better.

Oh and by the way… excellent blog! It does expose them for the retro-idiots they are.. although it isn’t as if we didn’t all expect it is it.

55 AndyG  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 9:23:39am

Since when is ESPN part of the liberal media? These guys are idiots.

56 celticdragon  Sat, Apr 6, 2013 5:54:27pm

re: #16 Targetpractice

Not surprising. I’d say a large part of my tense relationship with my father has a lot to do with being the subject of “discipline” growing up. When you grow up being afraid that you’ll hurt if you so much as look at someone cross-eyed, it’s hard to have a friendly relationship as adults. You’re too busy walking on eggshells to really connect.

This. One thousand fucking times this. You have just captured my relationship with my dad.

57 E'Ville Mike  Sun, Apr 7, 2013 9:44:19am

“I have no sympathy for the adults they are now, but I feel for the children they were.”

Your sense of Humanity counts for a lot, Charles. As critical as you can be - and as undeserving as some of these Right Radicals can be - I have yet to see evidence that you’re giving up on it. Good on ya.


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