Secret Tape: Mitch McConnell and Aides Discuss Ways to Smear Ashley Judd

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Mother Jones has obtained a copy of a secret recording of a private meeting with Mitch McConnell and his aides, brainstorming ways they could smear actor/activist Ashley Judd if she chose to run against McConnell — and it’s just as creepy as you might imagine: Secret Tape: McConnell and Aides Weighed Using Judd’s Mental Health and Religion as Political Ammo.

For much of the Judd discussion, McConnell was silent as aides reviewed the initial oppo research they had collected on Judd and weighed all the ways they could pummel her. The recording was provided to Mother Jones last week by a source who requested anonymity. (The recording can be found here; a transcript is here.) McConnell’s Senate office and his campaign office did not respond to requests for comment.

The aide who led the meeting began his presentation with a touch of glee: “I refer to [Judd] as sort of the oppo research situation where there’s a haystack of needles, just because truly, there’s such a wealth of material.” He ran through the obvious: Judd was a prominent supporter of President Barack Obama, Obamacare, abortion rights, gay marriage, and climate change action. He pointed out that she is “anti-coal.”

But the McConnell gang explored going far beyond Judd’s politics and policy preferences. This included her mental health. The meeting leader noted:

She’s clearly, this sounds extreme, but she is emotionally unbalanced. I mean it’s been documented. Jesse can go in chapter and verse from her autobiography about, you know, she’s suffered some suicidal tendencies. She was hospitalized for 42 days when she had a mental breakdown in the ’90s.

Read the whole thing…

McConnell has now called in the FBI to investigate how this embarrassing tape was leaked to Mother Jones.

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71 comments
1 HappyWarrior  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 10:40:47am

He sounds a little afraid of her. And going after her for having a past suicidal attempt is simply reprehensible.

2 Lidane  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 10:43:27am

Heh:

3 HappyWarrior  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 10:45:00am

re: #2 Lidane

Heh:

Yeah it’s a problem now that he’s being made to look bad because of it. Ain’t karma a bitch, Mitch?

4 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 10:45:07am

The Mother Jones article clearly states that they were “provided a copy” of the recording. They did not “bug” anybody.

5 HappyWarrior  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 10:45:54am

re: #4 Charles Johnson

The Mother Jones article clearly states that they were “provided a copy” of the recording. They did not “bug” anybody.

Yeah I see that. Probably someone who was there who’s had enough of McConnell’s bullshit.

6 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 10:45:59am

re: #4 Charles Johnson

The Mother Jones article clearly states that they were “provided a copy” of the recording. They did not “bug” anybody.

They certainly put a bug up McConnel’s ass…

7 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 10:46:09am

Notice how upset the GOP is about this. Mother Jones is doing fantastic work exposing these creeps for who they really are.

8 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 10:46:26am

Just a pissed reaction from being made to look bad. Which will keep the issue alive. Whereas just shutting up about it would let the story fade in favor of other outrages in a few days.

Of course better yet would be a principled reaction by saying on the tape that that’s not a working avenue to pursue. But we’re talking politics, and there are no principles there once you dig down a little.

9 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 10:47:02am

Stay classy Dana

10 HappyWarrior  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 10:48:22am

re: #9 Vicious Babushka

Stay classy Dana

Hilarious coming from the biggest defender of “Legitimate Rape” Akin.

11 Lidane  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 10:48:46am

re: #9 Vicious Babushka

She wouldn’t know the meaning of the word.

12 Mattand  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 10:49:27am

Exhibit One on why I will never go into politics.

13 Bulworth  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 10:49:36am

re: #4 Charles Johnson

Yeah but ILLEGAL recording. SCANDAL—worse than Fast&Furious and Benghazi combined!

14 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 10:50:05am

I believe that under Kentucky law, if one person at that meeting is the source of the leak— a party to the conversation— than it was legally made. However, if this was made by a guy who wasn’t actually there, who just set up the room or something, it’s illegally obtained.

It is a felony to overhear or record, through use of an electronic or mechanical device, a wire or oral communication without the consent of at least one party to that communication. Ky. Rev. Stat. Ann. § 526.010. A person is guilty of eavesdropping when he intentionally uses any device to eavesdrop, whether or not he is present at the time. Ky. Rev. Stat. Ann. § 526.020.

Just being in the room would be enough to be a party to the conversation, I think. So the FBI investigation, if pursued, may turn up just the source of the leak, who would have committed no crime but I’m sure would then have some hot water for themselves.

So the FBI investigation serves McConnell’s interests whether he thinks there really was a crime committed or not.

15 HappyWarrior  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 10:50:20am

re: #12 Mattand

Exhibit One on why I will never go into politics.

Yep. You couldn’t pay me to enter politics much less make a career out of it like McConnell and countless others have.

16 Lidane  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 10:50:35am

Hahahaha. They’re really stuck on this ZOMG WATERGATE angle:

17 Buck  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 10:50:55am

You would not publish the emails that were hacked from the University of East Anglia.

You felt that the ACORN Undercover Video’s were possibly illegal.

In fact you would not excuse anyone who accepted audio or video from James O’Keefe if you thought they were illegally recorded.

Anyway, I don’t hear anything on the tape that is illegal or immoral to discuss in private.

Compared to what the Clinton machine digs up and says publically? This seems very normal.

18 HappyWarrior  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 10:51:15am

I thought Watergate was okay and Nixon was just doing what everyone did. Funny that.

19 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 10:51:16am

re: #4 Charles Johnson

The Mother Jones article clearly states that they were “provided a copy” of the recording. They did not “bug” anybody.

I’m sure that Mother Jones isn’t stupid enough to do something like this. It is possible that someone actually had the access and the chutzpah to do this who wasn’t in the room at the time, but the easiest explanation is that it was recorded by someone in the room at the time. Which would be legal.

20 kirkspencer  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 10:51:48am

Recorded in Kentucky, which means that if it was done by one of the individuals present Mitch is SOL — Kentucky’s a one-person state. Only one person needs to know the recording is happening. That is true regardless of whether that person is doing the recording or it’s being done by someone else.

A bit of complication occurs if the recording was legit but was being used by someone else. In other words and for (unlikely) example, Mitch recorded everything that happened in his office for posterity, and Joe Doe who was responsible for transferring the recordings to archival storage recognized the importance of this one and copied it. If Joe had legitimate access and no binding privacy restrictions he’s fine. If not he can be charged with theft and/or violations of privacy.

My guess, however, is that it’s a valid recording and Mitch is going to be further embarrassed as this comes out.

21 wrenchwench  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 10:52:53am

re: #12 Mattand

Exhibit One on why I will never go into politics.

re: #15 HappyWarrior

Yep. You couldn’t pay me to enter politics much less make a career out of it like McConnell and countless others have.

It’s sad that so many good people are unavailable to serve us because smear merchants scare them off.

22 HappyWarrior  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 10:53:24am

re: #20 kirkspencer

Recorded in Kentucky, which means that if it was done by one of the individuals present Mitch is SOL — Kentucky’s a one-person state. Only one person needs to know the recording is happening. That is true regardless of whether that person is doing the recording or it’s being done by someone else.

A bit of complication occurs if the recording was legit but was being used by someone else. In other words and for (unlikely) example, Mitch recorded everything that happened in his office for posterity, and Joe Doe who was responsible for transferring the recordings to archival storage recognized the importance of this one and copied it. If Joe had legitimate access and no binding privacy restrictions he’s fine. If not he can be charged with theft and/or violations of privacy.

My guess, however, is that it’s a valid recording and Mitch is going to be further embarrassed as this comes out.

I would assume so. I don’t think MJ would be careless enough to release something illegally obtained. That opens up them up for a barrage of heat.

23 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 10:53:49am

re: #17 Buck

You would not publish the emails that were hacked from the University of East Anglia.

You felt that the ACORN Undercover Video’s were possibly illegal.

In fact you would not excuse anyone who accepted audio or video from James O’Keefe if you thought they were illegally recorded.

Anyway, I don’t hear anything on the tape that is illegal or immoral to discuss in private.

Compared to what the Clinton machine digs up and says publically? This seems very normal.

How fucking stupid do you have to be not to understand that O’Keefe DELIBERATELY SET UP HIS VIDEOS to get a bogus narrative?

24 HappyWarrior  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 10:54:01am

re: #21 wrenchwench

re: #15 HappyWarrior

It’s sad that so many good people are unavailable to serve us because smear merchants scare them off.

Well it’s not just that. I stutter too. But politics is a dirty game.

25 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 10:54:02am

re: #14 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

I believe that under Kentucky law, if one person at that meeting is the source of the leak— a party to the conversation— than it was legally made. However, if this was made by a guy who wasn’t actually there, who just set up the room or something, it’s illegally obtained.

Just being in the room would be enough to be a party to the conversation, I think. So the FBI investigation, if pursued, may turn up just the source of the leak, who would have committed no crime but I’m sure would then have some hot water for themselves.

So the FBI investigation serves McConnell’s interests whether he thinks there really was a crime committed or not.

I wonder how many of the “one person” laws are formulated that way to allow undercover police and informers to record conversations without requiring wiretap warrants ahead of time.

26 wrenchwench  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 10:55:08am

re: #23 Vicious Babushka

How fbucking stupid do you have to be not to understand that O’Keefe DELIBERATELY SET UP HIS VIDEOS to get a bogus narrative?

FTFY.

27 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 10:55:45am

I blame the bartender.

28 kirkspencer  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 10:55:49am

There is also a federal wiretap law, but again:

(d) It shall not be unlawful under this chapter for a person not acting under color of law to intercept a wire, oral, or electronic communication where such person is a party to the communication or where one of the parties to the communication has given prior consent to such interception unless such communication is intercepted for the purpose of committing any criminal or tortious act in violation of the Constitution or laws of the United States or of any State.

29 Lidane  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 10:56:28am

re: #23 Vicious Babushka

How fucking stupid do you have to be not to understand that O’Keefe DELIBERATELY SET UP HIS VIDEOS to get a bogus narrative?

Remember who you’re asking.

30 wrenchwench  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 10:56:57am

re: #27 Decatur Deb

I blame credit the bartender.

FTFMe.

31 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 10:57:02am

re: #29 Lidane

Remember who you’re asking.

Oh fuck, it’s Buck.

32 efuseakay  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 10:59:00am

Typical Republican. They have all these stances on things they never imagine would effect them. Then, all of a sudden when it does, it’s just so… Wrong!

33 HappyWarrior  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 10:59:54am

re: #32 efuseakay

Typical Republican. They have all these stances on things they never imagine would effect them. Then, all of a sudden when it does, it’s just so… Wrong!

The word I’d use is typical.

34 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 11:00:06am
35 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 11:00:24am

re: #17 Buck

The most likely scenario is that this video was taken by someone who was there, and so was obtained legally.

The planning session is ugly. I’m sure there are Democratic planning sessions that are ugly, too, but this one is in the wake of GOP ‘rebranding’. There is not a level playing field— the GOP have been acting like complete goddamn assholes, politically, for the past two years. We’re now hitting a sequester of their own divising that we’re doing the best we can to cope with but is going to possible throw us back into a recession. Their golden boy in Bobby Jindal’s insane “give everything to the rich” tax plan has failed utterly and completely, after been hailed by Grover Norquist as awesome and amazing and the future of the GOP.

The GOP has ground to make up. It needs to do that with some honest attempts to connect with voters, not with smear campaigns. They didn’t invent negative campaigning, the Democrats use it too, but they have been egregiously running on a very high percentage of smears, along with lies.

I think this bit really shows the ugliness here best:

[Judd:] I still choose the God of my understanding as the God of my childhood. I have to expand my God concept from time to time, and you know particularly I enjoy native faith practices, and have a very nature-based God concept. I’d like to think I’m like St. Francis in that way. Brother Donkey, Sister Bird.


Laughter erupted again, with one guy in the meeting exclaiming, “Brother Donkey, Sister Bird!” The group didn’t seem to realize that Judd was referring to well-known stories about St. Francis, who once preached a sermon to birds—“my little sisters”—and who referred to his own body as the “Brother Donkey.” (In her book, Judd identifies herself as a Christian and often refers to church and prayer.)

They love this, are clearly planning on taking that quote and playing it and mocking it. It’s a sincere expression of faith from a committed Christian talking about ecumenicism but grounding herself in the religion of her fathers. This should be something they respect, deeply, if any of their convictions are true. Instead, they not only are going to attack her with it, they don’t even recognize where it comes from. They don’t care.

It doesn’t matter if you think that the Democrats do stuff like this too. I am sure there are asshole politicoes on the Democratic side who are just out to hunt heads. I am absolutely sure. But this is a proveable meeting with Mitch McConnell, the head of the Senate for the GOP, one of the most important men in the country, spending his time on this. This is what is important to him enough to attend. That really does say something about the priorities of the GOP, no matter what you think the Democrats are doing.

Not everything you say has got to be a kneejerk reaction. You can just go ahead and condemn this kind of politics.

36 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 11:00:35am

DOUBLE DERP!

37 efuseakay  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 11:00:45am

re: #17 Buck

You would not publish the emails that were hacked from the University of East Anglia.

You felt that the ACORN Undercover Video’s were possibly illegal.

In fact you would not excuse anyone who accepted audio or video from James O’Keefe if you thought they were illegally recorded.

Anyway, I don’t hear anything on the tape that is illegal or immoral to discuss in private.

Compared to what the Clinton machine digs up and says publically? This seems very normal.

Who is this “Publically” any why are they being dug up?

38 Lidane  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 11:01:06am

This explains everything:

39 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 11:01:35am

re: #22 HappyWarrior

I would assume so. I don’t think MJ would be careless enough to release something illegally obtained. That opens up them up for a barrage of heat.

MJ isn’t actually affected unless they know it’s illegally obtained, I believe. I mean, journalistically-ethically, sure, but not legally. They might be sueable, I guess? I dunno. IANAL.

40 efuseakay  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 11:01:51am

re: #33 HappyWarrior

The word I’d use is typical.

I wasn’t going for redundancy. ;)

41 lawhawk  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 11:01:55am

McConnell is going to whine and call for an investigation, because it serves his political interests to do so - to find the leaker of the information. The person who leaked likely wont face criminal prosecution because of the reasons stated above - it’s a one-party state where if the person is party to the conversation, then they can record the conversation without criminal penalty.

Note too that the criticism isn’t the content of the conversations. McConnell isn’t disputing the contents. It’s that he and others were caught saying what they did about Judd.

And this isn’t in any way like Watergate or even the O’Keefe ACORN tapes. O’Keefe purposefully edited the tapes and misconstrued conduct on the tapes - obtaining statements under false pretenses, and his actions thereafter have proven to be criminal.

MoJo isn’t saying that they were the one who captured the conversations, only that they were provided with a copy from one who was in the room at the time. That’s their source, and they’ve got to know what the standards are for using this information. I’d imagine that their editors and legal team probably looked at this before they ran the story as well precisely because of the hornet’s nest they kick over as a result of showing the dastardly deeds McConnell was entertaining.

42 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 11:02:08am

re: #36 Vicious Babushka

DOUBLE DERP!

Yes, doubly so. So please spare us.

43 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 11:02:21am

re: #17 Buck

You would not publish the emails that were hacked from the University of East Anglia.

You felt that the ACORN Undercover Video’s were possibly illegal.

In fact you would not excuse anyone who accepted audio or video from James O’Keefe if you thought they were illegally recorded.

Anyway, I don’t hear anything on the tape that is illegal or immoral to discuss in private.

Compared to what the Clinton machine digs up and says publically? This seems very normal.

The ACORN tapes were cut and pasted to say something that was not what happened. Your equivocation is bullshit. O’Keefe is a steaming pile of dog shit.

44 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 11:03:10am

re: #35 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Not everything you say has got to be a kneejerk reaction. You can just go ahead and condemn this kind of politics.

All due respect, but that ain’t never gonna happen.

45 HappyWarrior  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 11:03:15am

re: #39 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

MJ isn’t actually affected unless they know it’s illegally obtained, I believe. I mean, journalistically-ethically, sure, but not legally. They might be sueable, I guess? I dunno. IANAL.

I am not sure. I guess my larger point there was that I think MJ would not use something they knew to be illegally obtained.

46 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 11:03:24am

re: #43 Eventual Carrion

The ACORN tapes were cut and pasted to say something that was not what happened. Your equivocation is bullshit. O’Keefe is a steaming pile of dog shit.

The emails were also highly selected for and presented in a deceptive fashion.

47 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 11:03:40am
48 kirkspencer  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 11:06:56am

re: #17 Buck

You would not publish the emails that were hacked from the University of East Anglia.

As I recall, he allowed links to the emails. It was the sheer quantity that made publishing them here absurd. That he also thought (and I agree) that the idiots were trying to claim UEA’s people were lying - saying one thing publicly while saying something else privately - was absurd mattered. And as it turned out, we were right. Full investigations have been done and they weren’t lying to or conning the public.

You felt that the ACORN Undercover Video’s were possibly illegal.

They were. In the states in which they were done two-party consent was required. They were also immoral in that they were selectively edited to show what did not really happen but instead what O’Keefe wanted to claim was happening. See the lawsuits that have resulted.

In fact you would not excuse anyone who accepted audio or video from James O’Keefe if you thought they were illegally recorded.

Yep. So? As of right now there’s no indication it was illegally recorded. Odds are, in fact, that the recording was instead legal - unless someone wiretapped the Senator’s offices and that tap has successfully escaped multiple security checks for just such a thing.

Anyway, I don’t hear anything on the tape that is illegal or immoral to discuss in private.

What a slippery definition of immoral you have. You’re right that nothing illegal was on that tape, but there is some question as to whether it’s immoral to use the medical incident (suicide possibility) from when the individual was a child as anti-election fodder.

Compared to what the Clinton machine digs up and says publically? This seems very normal.

Would you like to give examples of this blather? Or are you just going to wave the MBF’s wand frantically hoping nobody will think to look beyond all the glittering dust?

49 Ming  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 11:07:22am

I have mixed feelings about this, but I’m starting to think that maybe those Wikileaks weren’t so bad after all. If powerful people knew that some of what they say could become public, and could come back to haunt them, maybe they would “clean up their act in general”, and be better behaved.

The NRA likes to say that an armed society is a polite society. Well, I’m happy to turn that around, and say that a society where information flows freely is a polite society.

50 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 11:08:15am

re: #36 Vicious Babushka

DOUBLE DERP!

Yeah, just like Iraq. Think they would have learned.

51 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 11:08:35am

re: #49 Ming

I have mixed feelings about this, but I’m starting to think that maybe those Wikileaks weren’t so bad after all. If powerful people knew that some of what they could become public, and could come back to haunt them, maybe they would “clean up their act in general”, and be better behaved.

The NRA likes to say that an armed society is a polite society. Well, I’m happy to turn that around, and say that a society where information flows freely is a polite society.

What is this…I don’t even…

The Wikileaks were a series of CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS THAT WERE STOLEN. Not random recordings of conversations.

52 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 11:09:28am
53 Bulworth  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 11:09:30am

BREAKING

Seven hundred retired Military Special Operations professionals from the organization “Special Operations Speaks” are urging Congress to set fire to the offices and Intertubes of the Chicago thug organization Mother Jones for releasing the double super secret probation tape recordings of Mitch McConnell.

Members of SOS further stated that their previous call for more investigations and hearings on the 9/11 attack on that building some place over there can be postponed indefinitely until Mother Jones-Gate is addressed.

/

54 Lidane  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 11:10:27am

re: #51 Vicious Babushka

What is this…I don’t even…

The Wikileaks were a series of CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS THAT WERE STOLEN. Not random recordings of conversations.

Yeah, there’s a world of difference between what Assange has done and what happened here to McConnell.

For example: the only person hurt by the McConnell tapes is Senator Turtle. Wikileaks is actual classified government documents released with no regard for context or for who they hurt. Plus, they were stolen to begin with.

55 Dr. Matt  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 11:10:50am

You libruls are taking McConnell and his aides out-of-contextTM. Nothing to see….move along…..

/sarcasm

56 HappyWarrior  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 11:11:35am

I actually remember seeing a photo of Judd with Senator Lugar. I bet Lugar, who seems to be a decent guy is glad he got out of the circus that is the Senate GOP.

57 Targetpractice  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 11:12:27am

re: #54 Lidane

Yeah, there’s a world of difference between what Assange has done and what happened here to McConnell.

For example: the only person hurt by the McConnell tapes is Senator Turtle. Wikileaks is actual classified government documents released with no regard for context or for who they hurt. Plus, they were stolen to begin with.

Not only released them, did so without any redaction, allowing a list of Afghan civilians assisting the US military in dealing with insurgents to be published on the web where anybody could see. No telling how many have been injured or killed as a result of the initial release.

58 efuseakay  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 11:14:29am

re: #47 NJDhockeyfan

Texas is a CC state. Where were the true Texas patriots that could have protected these poor victims?

59 stabby  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 11:14:35am

Well the issue, like that of the 47% is that Republicans are caught on tape being assholes. And that’s a problem for the party because the base is made up of the country’s assholes and they insist only only voting for one of their own.
If they took the tack of nominating decent men and women, they’d never make it through the primaries.
And I’m just feeling schadenfreude, does that make me an asshole?

60 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 11:14:59am

11 people were cut but nobody is dead.

This reminds me of an incident 6 years ago in Moscow, when an anti-Semite stabber ran through the Bolshaya Bronaya synagogue. He slashed at one man, but was tackled to the ground by teenagers who then sat down on his arms and legs until police arrived.

61 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 11:15:26am

re: #58 efuseakay

Texas is a CC state. Where were the true Texas patriots that could have protected these poor victims?

Nobody brought a gun to the knife fight.

62 Lidane  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 11:15:59am

re: #57 Targetpractice

Not only released them, did so without any redaction, allowing a list of Afghan civilians assisting the US military in dealing with insurgents to be published on the web where anybody could see. No telling how many have been injured or killed as a result of the initial release.

Exactly! No context, no redaction, no regard for the people on the ground who would be affected by the release of those stolen documents, etc.

Wikileaks is way, waaaaay worse than anything that Senator Turtle is facing here.

63 sagehen  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 11:20:56am

re: #17 Buck

You would not publish the emails that were hacked from the University of East Anglia.

You felt that the ACORN Undercover Video’s were possibly illegal.

In fact you would not excuse anyone who accepted audio or video from James O’Keefe if you thought they were illegally recorded.

Anyway, I don’t hear anything on the tape that is illegal or immoral to discuss in private.

Compared to what the Clinton machine digs up and says publically? This seems very normal.

Because James O’Keefe’s videos are misleadingly edited. Deliberately. They do not portray what actually happened.

64 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 11:32:13am

re: #48 kirkspencer

Buck’s just making one of his periodic propaganda strafing runs. He also derped in the thread about the Benghazi Birther group.

65 kirkspencer  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 11:44:50am

re: #64 Charles Johnson

Buck’s just making one of his periodic propaganda strafing runs. He also derped in the thread about the Benghazi Birther group.

Yep, but I felt like refuting the entire stack of derps in that message today. Nothing like saying “everything you said was wrong” once in a while.

66 engineer cat  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 11:54:07am

re: #17 Buck

“Disagreeing with each other’s ideas does not have to mean denying each other’s humanity.”

i don’t care, buck, you attacked me ad hominem, so i can declare without remorse that you’re a moron

67 aagcobb  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 12:29:04pm

I hope Ashley runs for Senate in 2016, and Rand is too busy running for President to defend his seat, though obviously he can run for both.

68 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 1:29:37pm

The managing editor of Mother Jones is Clint Hendler, a Kentucky native. Clint was one of my students back when I taught high school physics in Louisville.

69 teresa  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 4:51:28pm

I had a lively discussion, if that is what you can call it with Glenn Thrush of Politico today, because he is the one who started this entire FBI investigation deal. McConnell’s office didn’t even ask for it until Thrush suggested it, Thrush kept pushing the “Nixon tactics BS” he couldn’t stop. I told him I wanted some evidence. He offered absolutely 0 evidence. Nothing. Politico, ever the stenographer for Republican BS.

70 Patricia Kayden  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 5:42:38pm

This will probably endear McConnell to Kentucky voters. Landslide.

71 Cap'n Magic  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 6:52:53pm

re: #17 Buck

Truer words of a conditioned individual were never spoken-the worst part is that you don’t even realize you’ve been conditioned.


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The Pandemic Cost 7 Million Lives, but Talks to Prevent a Repeat Stall In late 2021, as the world reeled from the arrival of the highly contagious omicron variant of the coronavirus, representatives of almost 200 countries met - some online, some in-person in Geneva - hoping to forestall a future worldwide ...
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