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1 HappyWarrior  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 11:17:27am

Destination’s the same however you arrive there I guess but I do not want to be hearing from conservatives in forty years that it was they and not liberals who supported SSM like we have with racial civil rights.

2 Targetpractice  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 11:17:31am

“Evolution of Gay Marriage Acceptance Chart.”

LMAO

3 HappyWarrior  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 11:18:11am

re: #2 Targetpractice

“Evolution of Gay Marriage Acceptance Chart.”

LMAO

And more people support gay marriage than believe in evolution.

4 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 11:40:09am

Anyone ever heard of this group? The Everlasting GOP Stoppers? They are mentioned in conjunction with a Bill Moyer’s fb post.

I had a procedure done this morning and am still foggy, so I’m not reading too well right now. I thought the name was cute and the page seems to have some substance.

5 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 11:47:06am

going to nap.

Have a great thread

6 engineer cat  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 11:48:32am

2000 years of social policy

does that mean i get to screw my slaves at will like any free roman?

7 lawhawk  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 11:49:04am
8 engineer cat  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 11:52:05am

re: #7 lawhawk

as a native manhattanite, i am seriously relieved that they settled on an attractive and tasteful design

there were many ooogly ones to choose from

9 HappyWarrior  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 11:52:41am

re: #7 lawhawk

I like it.

10 kirkspencer  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 11:53:23am

re: #8 engineer cat

as a native manhattanite, i am seriously relieved that they settled on an attractive and tasteful design

there were many ooogly ones to choose from

At the same time I had this wish they’d rebuild the same design as got knocked down. But yeah, a much better choice than some they had.

11 jamesfirecat  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 11:54:32am

I am evidently going to have a lot of good Stewart to catch up on when I get home again…..

12 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 11:55:57am

re: #7 lawhawk

Awesome. I took some pictures of that building from the top of the Empire State Building two Thanksgivings ago.

13 HappyWarrior  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 11:58:22am

That’s the one thing when I think about it aside from not really having the ethnic neighborhoods that other major cities have that makes DC different. DC has no skyscrapers. There’s a reason for that. But man skyscrapers are just cool.

14 lawhawk  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 12:03:21pm

re: #8 engineer cat

I’m glad it’s finally built (nearly so), and the design is towards the bland side. Frankly, the base bothers me - it’s a concrete lined pedestal that is shrouded in glass. Hopefully it will be lit from within so that it gets a nighttime glow. They also made a last minute change to the base - it used to be chamfered at the corners, echoing how alternating triangles rise above the 20th floor.

They’ve still got another year or so of construction before opening, but 4WTC will open before that. 2 and 3 WTC are little more than stubs at the moment, and the transit hub is still a mess. If they at least reopen the streets for pedestrians to give better access through the site, it will be an improvement to traffic flow.

15 erik_t  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 12:04:44pm

re: #1 HappyWarrior

Destination’s the same however you arrive there I guess but I do not want to be hearing from conservatives in forty years that it was they and not liberals who supported SSM like we have with racial civil rights.

I’d rather hear them take credit for SSM in forty years than hear them still bitching about teh gayz in forty years.

16 lawhawk  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 12:06:17pm

George Bush: RINO. Pushing for more background checks in 2000 and 2004 debates.

The NRA has been in retrograde mode ever since 1999, when LaPierre testified before Congress on support for universal background checks.

The current system is a mess - precisely because of the loopholes that the NRA and NRA backed politicians have pushed over time.

17 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 12:06:23pm

It is a case where pragmatic politics have actually triumphed over ideological demagoguery in the modern GOP. They might have a chance after all…

18 HappyWarrior  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 12:07:39pm

re: #15 erik_t

I’d rather hear them take credit for SSM in forty years than hear them still bitching about teh gayz in forty years.

Oh easily. Just a personal peeve of mine. The right fights progress left and right and then we get the progress in spite of what they want. And then their ideological descendants try to claim that they favored it all along. I am really glad to see more and more people coming around on the issue.

19 HappyWarrior  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 12:09:42pm

re: #17 Sol Berdinowitz

It is a case where pragmatic politics have actually triumphed over ideological demagoguery in the modern GOP. They might have a chance after all…

Eh these are two senators. One whom had a brain injury that seems to have given him a new outlook on life and one who has a gay son. I appreciate that Kirk and Portman came around on this issue but if you watch the video, there’s another GOP rep who seems unwavering in his opposition to gay marriage and there are more like him than there are like Kirk/Portman at the moment unfortunately.

20 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 12:11:13pm
21 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 12:19:46pm

re: #19 HappyWarrior

Eh these are two senators. One whom had a brain injury that seems to have given him a new outlook on life and one who has a gay son. I appreciate that Kirk and Portman came around on this issue but if you watch the video, there’s another GOP rep who seems unwavering in his opposition to gay marriage and there are more like him than there are like Kirk/Portman at the moment unfortunately.

True: those who oppose it out of frothing homophobic grounds are never going to back down, they will just get louder as the pressure mounts from the other GOP senators who oppose out of fundamental conservative grounds but might be willing to compromise and tolerate it in the name of political expediency

22 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 12:23:35pm

re: #20 NJDhockeyfan

I have actually seen some comments at a Jewish site: “Oh, they’re just those ‘ultra-Orthodox Satmars’ so who cares!”

23 HappyWarrior  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 12:23:51pm

re: #21 Sol Berdinowitz

True: those who oppose it out of frothing homophobic grounds are never going to back down, they will just get louder as the pressure mounts from the other GOP senators who oppose out of fundamental conservative grounds but might be willing to compromise and tolerate it in the name of political expediency

What I hope and somewhat expect is as their caucus gets younger for it to be seen as less a big deal but then again Marco Rubio and Rand Paul are both under 50 and very much opposed to gay marriage. Ditto Jindal who’s a governor.

24 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 12:28:46pm

re: #23 HappyWarrior

What I hope and somewhat expect is as their caucus gets younger for it to be seen as less a big deal but then again Marco Rubio and Rand Paul are both under 50 and very much opposed to gay marriage. Ditto Jindal who’s a governor.

There are those who oppose it out of some deep-seated homophobic sense of self-loathing, they will only get worse with age.

Others oppose it on other grounds, they might be won over to reason or at least political pragmatism some day.

25 HappyWarrior  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 12:31:10pm

re: #24 Sol Berdinowitz

There are those who oppose it out of some deep-seated homophobic sense of self-loathing, they will only get worse with age.

Others oppose it on other grounds, they might be won over to reason or at least political pragmatism some day.

I think you’re right. We’ll see what happens. I am as I said pleased with the progress on the issue.

26 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 12:31:48pm

What if Lil Kim orders an attack and everyone ignores him?

North Korean army ‘split’ over Kim Jong-un

27 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 12:33:52pm

re: #22 Vicious Babushka

I have actually seen some comments at a Jewish site: “Oh, they’re just those ‘ultra-Orthodox Satmars’ so who cares!”

I can’t understand why some people think like that.

28 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 12:36:39pm

re: #26 NJDhockeyfan

What if Lil Kim orders an attack and everyone ignores him?

North Korean army ‘split’ over Kim Jong-un

This is all about an internal power struggle being directed outwards, the politcal equivalent of a self-loathing personality who lashes out at others in despair.

There is just not a couch big enough for North Korea, nor a padded cell big enough to contain it…

29 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 12:36:43pm

re: #26 NJDhockeyfan

What if Lil Kim orders an attack and everyone ignores him?

North Korean army ‘split’ over Kim Jong-un

That’d be, like, beautiful, man.

30 Kragar  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 12:39:13pm

‘Fox & Friends’ proposes IQ test for politicians sponsoring gun control legislation

Host Steve Doocy pointed to a Monday New York Post column where Glenn Harlan Reynolds first floated the idea of an IQ test after a Colorado Rep. Diana DeGette (D) mistakenly asserted that gun magazines could not be reused.

“If somebody’s going to be in Capitol Hill or in Congress and you’re going to sponsor legislation or you’re going to vote on something, you better know what you’re talking about,” Doocy opined.

“Wouldn’t be interesting if there’s a one-page test to be a citizen where they ask you who founded our nation, what year — you have to learn all that stuff and people who want to become citizens kind of like studying it,” co-host Brian Kilmeade added. “I’m just wondering if that would be a natural — not an insult, but if all the sudden you want to leave the medical profession or leave selling insurance and work in the government, why wouldn’t you want a competency test?”

“That’s a great point,” co-host Gretchen Carlson agreed. “Because obviously you can’t be an expert on every issue. And there’s a big difference between an IQ test and and a competency test. So people can be brilliant and still be dumb on certain issues.”

31 iossarian  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 12:42:06pm

re: #30 Kragar

Geez. Suddenly being “smart” is a plus for these fuckers?

32 erik_t  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 12:42:07pm

re: #30 Kragar

‘Fox & Friends’ proposes IQ test for politicians sponsoring gun control legislation

Teabagger results on the Constitution section promise to be a real hoot.

33 lawhawk  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 12:42:13pm

re: #26 NJDhockeyfan

What if Lil Kim orders an attack and everyone ignores him?

North Korean army ‘split’ over Kim Jong-un

That would tend to support one of my contentions that Jong Un’s actions have been a way of weeding out those opposed to his rise to power, as much as it is to threaten the South. However, I’d take the claims of purges with a grain of salt without outside corroboration.

Now, if Jong Un ordered an attack and no one showed, that would awesome. I just think that’s not quite plausible - I’d expect something along the lines of the Soviet and Iran-Iraq war - you send in those who you don’t trust first, and the loyalists are pointing the guns so that the untrustworthy troops don’t get the wrong idea and flee.

Heck, at this point, Jong Un might consider a war acceptable as a way of reducing the amount of mouths to feed. Doesn’t matter to him if a million of his countrymen die in an impossible war. He’d claim juche!

34 lawhawk  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 12:43:00pm

re: #30 Kragar

Only if we include a corresponding test for science (reproduction, climate science, biology, environmental, evolution, etc.)

35 HappyWarrior  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 12:43:47pm

re: #30 Kragar

‘Fox & Friends’ proposes IQ test for politicians sponsoring gun control legislation

Yeah because if someone sees gun control as sensible policy, they must be dumb. Maybe if these Fox actually realized that most of the people who propose gun control legislation come from areas that experience a lot of gun related homicides and that kind of sours them on guns but what do I know, I am just a stupid liberal.

36 HappyWarrior  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 12:44:05pm

re: #34 lawhawk

Only if we include a corresponding test for science (reproduction, climate science, biology, environmental, evolution, etc.)

YOURE OPPRESSING ME!

37 HappyWarrior  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 12:45:29pm

re: #32 erik_t

Teabagger results on the Constitution section promise to be a real hoot.

what you mean the Constituion guarantees the freedom of all religion and not just Christianity?

38 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 12:46:39pm

re: #33 lawhawk

That would tend to support one of my contentions that Jong Un’s actions have been a way of weeding out those opposed to his rise to power, as much as it is to threaten the South. However, I’d take the claims of purges with a grain of salt without outside corroboration.

Now, if Jong Un ordered an attack and no one showed, that would awesome. I just think that’s not quite plausible - I’d expect something along the lines of the Soviet and Iran-Iraq war - you send in those who you don’t trust first, and the loyalists are pointing the guns so that the untrustworthy troops don’t get the wrong idea and flee.

Heck, at this point, Jong Un might consider a war acceptable as a way of reducing the amount of mouths to feed. Doesn’t matter to him if a million of his countrymen die in an impossible war. He’d claim juche!

I would love to see both sides of his military attack each other. They could beat on each other until the NKorean army is a fraction of what it is now. Problem solved.

39 Lidane  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 12:47:41pm

Laser-like focus, part eleventy billion:

40 ProBosniaLiberal  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 12:47:54pm

What the hell happened in Texas?

Usually, it’s a mass stabbing outside the US, and a mass shooting in the US.

Today, it’s the other way around.

Oh, and the Serbian Shooter? A veteran of the Serbo-Croatian War in the 90’s. Or, as I like to call them, a fascist thug.

41 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 12:49:56pm

re: #38 NJDhockeyfan

I would love to see both sides of his military attack each other. They could beat on each other until the NKorean army is a fraction of what it is now. Problem solved.

So, you hope the starving conscripts massacre each other by the millions?

For fuck’s sake, dude. What problem would that solve? You really want millions of North Koreans to die?

42 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 12:54:03pm

re: #41 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

So, you hope the starving conscripts massacre each other by the millions?

For fuck’s sake, dude. What problem would that solve? You really want millions of North Koreans to die?

No, just the military. The Kim family’s control of the country would probably crumble and who knows, a better leader would emerge. It’s a thought anyway.

43 HappyWarrior  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 12:54:11pm

re: #38 NJDhockeyfan

I would love to see both sides of his military attack each other. They could beat on each other until the NKorean army is a fraction of what it is now. Problem solved.

Uh why? You realize that when civil wars happen which is what you’re wishing would happen here that the people who get hurt the most would be the civilian population.

44 lawhawk  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 12:55:02pm

re: #39 Lidane

Wait, so that means that they’re not to use Biblical references in support of their positions on … well.. everything?

They’ve decided that if they can’t ban creeping sharia, they’re going to make a general ban and hope that no one notices that it’s applied only to one specific group (making it unconstitutional as applied in the process).

45 Lidane  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 12:57:13pm

re: #38 NJDhockeyfan

I would love to see both sides of his military attack each other. They could beat on each other until the NKorean army is a fraction of what it is now. Problem solved.

You do realize that the North Korean people =/= Kim Jong Un, right?

46 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 12:58:50pm

re: #30 Kragar

‘Fox & Friends’ proposes IQ test for politicians sponsoring gun control legislation

So get on those internet tubes, write down what you think, and send it off to us at congress Washington, DC 12123. Send a self addressed stamped envelope so we can reply.

47 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 12:59:48pm

…

(oops—‘made up’ a real hashtag)

48 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 1:11:32pm

re: #42 NJDhockeyfan

No, just the military. The Kim family’s control of the country would probably crumble and who knows, a better leader would emerge. It’s a thought anyway.

It’s a fucking conscript military goddamnit. Of propagandized people. And even of the ones who join it willingly, it’s one of the few ways to get any decent money in North Korea. If you have a starving family, and you get a chance to join and be able to feed them… how can you wish death on someone like that?

49 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 1:42:28pm

re: #48 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

It’s a fucking conscript military goddamnit. Of propagandized people. And even of the ones who join it willingly, it’s one of the few ways to get any decent money in North Korea. If you have a starving family, and you get a chance to join and be able to feed them… how can you wish death on someone like that?

That’s not what I meant. The Koreans are starving. If Kim starts a war it’s going to ugly and many many military members and civilians will be killed. I was thinking if the military fought each other there would be less casualties and the regime in charge would be gone (hopefully). The people of Korea couldn’t do worse with new leadership. If the right people take over the camps would be gone and the entire would rush to help bring food, medicine, etc.

I do not wish death on anyone there. A regime change would be welcomed by everyone IMO.

50 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Apr 9, 2013 2:28:38pm

re: #49 NJDhockeyfan

That’s not what I meant. The Koreans are starving. If Kim starts a war it’s going to ugly and many many military members and civilians will be killed. I was thinking if the military fought each other there would be less casualties and the regime in charge would be gone (hopefully).

This makes no fucking sense at all. The military fights itself in a civil war in North Korea, and you think that wouldn’t be ‘ugly’, you think civilians wouldn’t get killed in that?

The people of Korea couldn’t do worse with new leadership. If the right people take over the camps would be gone and the entire would rush to help bring food, medicine, etc.

Who are the right people? What on earth are you talking about?

I do not wish death on anyone there.

Except for all the soldiers that you want to kill each other, right? You really were wishing that they would kill each other. So killing involves death, see, so yeah, you do wish death on people there.


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