Update: Progress Kentucky Behind McConnell Recording

Recorded in the hall outside the meeting room

PoliticsApril 2013 • Views: 27,025

It didn’t take long for the source of that Mother Jones recording (of Mitch McConnell and staff discussing ways to smear Ashley Judd) to be revealed: Source: Progress Kentucky Behind Mitch McConnell Campaign Recording.

A secret recording of a campaign strategy session between U.S. Senator Mitch McConnell and his advisors was taped by leaders of the Progress Kentucky super PAC, says a longtime local Democratic operative. …

Jacob Conway, who is on the executive committee of the Jefferson County Democratic Party, says that day, Shawn Reilly and Curtis Morrison, who founded and volunteered for Progress Kentucky, respectively, bragged to him about how they recorded the meeting.

[…]

“They were in the hallway after the, I guess after the celebration and hoopla ended, apparently these people broke for lunch and had a strategy meeting, which is, in every campaign I’ve been affiliated with, makes perfect sense,” says Conway. “One of them held the elevator, the other one did the recording and they left. That was what they told to me from them directly.”

Other sources have corroborated this series of events to WFPL. The meeting room door is next to the elevators on that floor. McConnell campaign manager Jesse Benton has told multiple media outlets the door was shut and locked on Feb. 2. But the door has a vent at the bottom and a large gap underneath.

“Apparently the gentlemen overheard the conversation and decided to record it with a phone or recording device they had in their pocket. Could’ve been an iPhone, could’ve been a Flip camera or something like that,” Conway say.

Sources tell WFPL the portion of the meeting that was recorded came at the end of the strategy session.

It’s unclear why Reilly and Morrison held onto the tape for so long. Kentucky law says it is a felony “to overhear, record amplify or transmit any part of a wire or oral communication of others without the consent of at least one party thereto by means of any electric, mechanical or other device.”

But if the conversation was audible from a hallway, it’s disputable whether recording qualifies as eavesdropping.

McConnell has been going completely ballistic, comparing this to the Gestapo and Watergate; turns out it was a couple of guys standing in a public hallway with a smartphone, probably not doing anything illegal (although the jury’s still out on that).

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117 comments

Kragar Thu, Apr 11, 2013 1:22:28pm

Standing in the hall with a smartphone is obviously just like Watergate.

Lidane Thu, Apr 11, 2013 1:23:18pm

Well, Mitch McConnell just got re-elected.

freetoken Thu, Apr 11, 2013 1:23:55pm

re: #2 Lidane

Well, Mitch McConnell just got re-elected.

Which was never in doubt, was it?

kirkspencer Thu, Apr 11, 2013 1:24:10pm

Actually it might be illegal. Factors that may matter include the fact that neither individual was invited and the door to the room was locked. Unknown at this time is whether the individuals were in a hallway that they were allowed (by invitation or by common access) to be in or if they were trespassing (legally or morally).

This one’s now a case of “we do not have enough facts” to know if the recording was illegal. However, a fun little reality is that the news media playing and transcribing the recording is still legal because they did not pay or encourage the pair to do the recording. As a touch of irony, this was the Breitbart defense for playing the O’Keefe recordings even if they turned out to be illegal.

Lidane Thu, Apr 11, 2013 1:27:36pm

re: #3 freetoken

Which was never in doubt, was it?

Not in a red state like Kentucky.

All this does is give Senator Turtle that much more ammo for his ad campaigns.

Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Apr 11, 2013 1:30:18pm

re: #3 freetoken

Which was never in doubt, was it?

It was in doubt enough for him to consider the need for bringing up his opponent’s history of mental illness, yes.

Decatur Deb Thu, Apr 11, 2013 1:31:44pm

re: #2 Lidane

Well, Mitch McConnell just got re-elected.

Have to allow for Kentucky ‘uniqueness’. It only stayed out of the Confederacy because its governor fled the state.

Kragar Thu, Apr 11, 2013 1:32:50pm

Michigan GOPer Dave Agema Compares Being Gay To Alcoholism

Agema made the comments during an interview on “Washington Watch with Tony Perkins,” a radio program run by the Family Research Council.

“If you really love someone, if you really were concerned about someone, if you saw your friend for example dying of alcoholism would you just stand quietly by and watch it happen?” Agema said. “Or would you speak up and say hey I want to help you. That’s what we should be doing.”

“What I’d like to have the homosexual community know is I don’t hate them,” he said. “As a matter of fact when Jesus caught a woman in the act of adultery when they brought her to him he said I don’t condemn you but go and sin no more. That ought to be the church’s goal here. We ought to be saying to these people, ‘Hey, we don’t agree with your lifestyle and we’ll help you get out of it, but we want you to know the facts of what’s going to happen to you if you stay in this lifestyle.’”

“Yeah, we’ll pester and hound you, telling you that you’re evil and broken. Do you really want to go thru that?”

A Mom Anon Thu, Apr 11, 2013 1:34:25pm

re: #6 Sol Berdinowitz

Exactly. Someone is scared of losing their Senate seat and they went as low as they could go to make sure they could make her look basically like an unstable whore. You don’t do that if you have confidence in your abilities and your record.

Ashley Judd hadn’t even really declared herself a candidate at the point this was recorded and they were that worried. One wonders what opposition researchers would uncover about the Senator if they tried.

iossarian Thu, Apr 11, 2013 1:34:33pm

re: #8 Kragar

Michigan GOPer Dave Agema Compares Being Gay To Alcoholism

“Yeah, we’ll pester and hound you, telling you that you’re evil and broken. Do you really want to go thru that?”

Rebranding … COMPLETE

Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Apr 11, 2013 1:35:32pm

re: #7 Decatur Deb

Have to allow for Kentucky ‘uniqueness’. It only stayed out of the Confederacy because its governor fled the state.

The Deep South starts in Southern Indiana already, in the Foothills of the Appalachinans below Indianapolis, in Brown and Monroe counties…

Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 11, 2013 1:35:58pm

It needs to be continually pointed out too that Ashley Judd’s problems with depression that the McConnell staff discussed using against her were the result of multiple rapes.

Kragar Thu, Apr 11, 2013 1:37:15pm

re: #12 Charles Johnson

It needs to be continually pointed out too that Ashley Judd’s problems with depression that the McConnell staff discussed using against her were the result of multiple rapes.

The GOP is strongly supportive of rape culture.

Hal_10000 Thu, Apr 11, 2013 1:38:05pm

turns out it was a couple of guys standing in a public hallway with a smartphone, probably not doing anything illegal (although the jury’s still out on that).

Kentucky is a one party state, not a no party state. Bending over a vent and recording a conversation in a private location that you’re not a part of is illegal. There might be some wiggle room, but they should be getting lawyers right now.

Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Apr 11, 2013 1:38:22pm

re: #8 Kragar

Michigan GOPer Dave Agema Compares Being Gay To Alcoholism

“Yeah, we’ll pester and hound you, telling you that you’re evil and broken. Do you really want to go thru that?”

“After expressing surprise that people found the “research” and his subsequent comments to be hateful, Agema equated being gay with being an alcoholic and lamented that “the homosexual community is very organized”:”

“I only said that you are going to hell, and that you are sick, diseased and a danger to society…why do you find that hateful?”

iossarian Thu, Apr 11, 2013 1:38:33pm

re: #12 Charles Johnson

It needs to be continually pointed out too that Ashley Judd’s problems with depression that the McConnell staff discussed using against her were the result of multiple rapes.

I’m really conflicted over this latest tape because although it seems to cross a line that the Romney 47% one didn’t (since the guy was legitimately in the room for that one), the opinions on display are so shitty that there is real value in them coming to light.

Why can’t Republicans just be decent people with opinions slightly different to mine? Why do they have to be these crazy power-at-all-costs-and-fuck-anyone-who-stands-in-our-way bastards?

Mr.Boots Thu, Apr 11, 2013 1:38:54pm

Conway reportedly outed Progress Kentucky to avoid any damage or loss of integrity to the local Democratic Party.

He might want to consider changing his party affiliation.

Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Apr 11, 2013 1:39:43pm

re: #16 iossarian

I’m really conflicted over this latest tape because although it seems to cross a line that the Romney 47% one didn’t (since the guy was legitimately in the room for that one), the opinions on display are so shitty that there is real value in them coming to light.

Why can’t Republicans just be decent people with opinions slightly different to mine? Why do they have to be these crazy power-at-all-costs-and-fuck-anyone-who-stands-in-our-way bastards?

This is going to help McConnell in the short run, but it goes a long way to letting normal people know what kind of sick f*cks are in control of the GOP.

iossarian Thu, Apr 11, 2013 1:42:45pm

re: #18 Sol Berdinowitz

This is going to help McConnell in the short run, but it goes a long way to letting normal people know what kind of sick f*cks are in control of the GOP.

I hope so. I happen to think it’s pretty obvious to anyone paying the slightest bit of attention that the GOP is infested with this kind of vindictive, petty crap. But maybe YET ANOTHER event of this nature will swing the needle that little bit further.

The Ghost of a Flea Thu, Apr 11, 2013 1:43:11pm

re: #5 Lidane

Not in a red state like Kentucky.

All this does is give Senator Turtle that much more ammo for his ad campaigns.

The funny thing is, the local Tea Party is looking to primary McConnell.

A Mom Anon Thu, Apr 11, 2013 1:44:38pm

re: #12 Charles Johnson

Bingo! This is a point that just needs to be hammered to hell and back. They read her book, so they KNEW why she was hospitalized. Which makes this even more disgusting than it appears even on the surface.

Lidane Thu, Apr 11, 2013 1:44:49pm

re: #12 Charles Johnson

It needs to be continually pointed out too that Ashley Judd’s problems with depression that the McConnell staff discussed using against her were the result of multiple rapes.

By the GOP’s caveman logic, if she didn’t get pregnant, they weren’t legitimate rapes, so it was all fair game.

I’d add sarc tags, but there are sincere assholes who believe that.

Lidane Thu, Apr 11, 2013 1:45:03pm

Thing Twitter taught me today: A Kentucky statute will trump SCOTUS precedent on media rights to publish
— daveweigel (@daveweigel) April 11, 2013

The Ghost of a Flea Thu, Apr 11, 2013 1:45:43pm

re: #12 Charles Johnson

It needs to be continually pointed out too that Ashley Judd’s problems with depression that the McConnell staff discussed using against her were the result of multiple rapes.

I think it should also be pointed out that the strategy team were mocking Judd’s religion because she quoted St Francis of Assisi.

Addendum: exactly how shitty do you have to be to see a strategic advantage in misrepresenting someone directly citing the words of a saint?

Decatur Deb Thu, Apr 11, 2013 1:47:17pm

re: #19 iossarian

I hope so. I happen to think it’s pretty obvious to anyone paying the slightest bit of attention that the GOP is infested with this kind of vindictive, petty crap. But maybe YET ANOTHER event of this nature will swing the needle that little bit further.

MBF makes a strafing run over the whole of American political history and reports back: “Dems, too.” There are few virgins in elected office, and they are often rejected. (Lookin’ at you, Jimmah.)

wrenchwench Thu, Apr 11, 2013 1:52:17pm

re: #20 The Ghost of a Flea

The funny thing is, the local Tea Party is looking to primary McConnell.

McConnell’s new campaign manager is one of Ron Paul’s old sidekicks, Jesse Benton. Benton is on the outs with libertarians for going Establishment.

Backwoods_Sleuth Thu, Apr 11, 2013 1:58:45pm

I’m in Kentucky and it’s a really weird place, politically.
Generally, our governors are Dems. Our General Assembly is usually equally split between D and R. The Democrats are often blue dogs, the Republicans are often extremely conservative and rabidly pro-business.
Just about all the politicians are outwardly uber-Christian (but not so much in their day-to-day lives).
There’s a serious Libertarian streak here that often merges with stupidity.
It’s like the worst disfunctional family, ever.

Feline Fearless Leader Thu, Apr 11, 2013 1:59:44pm

re: #27 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m in Kentucky and it’s a really weird place, politically.
Generally, our governors are Dems. Our General Assembly is usually equally split between D and R. The Democrats are often blue dogs, the Republicans are often extremely conservative and rabidly pro-business.
Just about all the politicians are outwardly uber-Christian (but not so much in their day-to-day lives).
There’s a serious Libertarian streak here that often on stupidity.
It’s like the worst disfunctional family, ever.

Which is why Ohio and Indiana dug the river so deeply.
//

Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Thu, Apr 11, 2013 2:00:26pm

Well, that’s disappointing. Partially it’s disappointing that the recording may very well have been obtained illegally. I think MJs publication of it is still on solid ground, unless they encouraged the recording of it. It’s still murky waters and I don’t think the value of having Republicans be shown as assholes yet again is worth the ethical breach of privacy.

However, what I’m more disappointed about is that the recording wasn’t made by one of McConnell’s staffers, because that means that nobody there had enough of a conscience to recognize that these attacks are ethically wrong and do what he or she could to expose them.

I’m in Costa Rica BTW and it’s rad. I had a monkey on my back earlier.

Backwoods_Sleuth Thu, Apr 11, 2013 2:01:03pm

re: #28 Feline Fearless Leader

Which is why Ohio and Indiana dug the river so deeply.
//

we still have boats and rafts, though. And those damned northerners can’t resist our moonshine and pill mills…

Decatur Deb Thu, Apr 11, 2013 2:01:57pm

re: #30 Backwoods_Sleuth

we still have boats and rafts, though. And those damned northerners can’t resist our moonshine and pill mills…

Fast women and beautiful horses.

iossarian Thu, Apr 11, 2013 2:03:17pm

re: #29 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

I’m in Costa Rica BTW and it’s rad. I had a monkey on my back earlier.

Did you get it off???

Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Thu, Apr 11, 2013 2:04:25pm

re: #32 iossarian

Did you get it off???

No, it was a strictly platonic relationship.

HappyWarrior Thu, Apr 11, 2013 2:04:42pm

re: #29 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Well, that’s disappointing. Partially it’s disappointing that the recording may very well have been obtained illegally. I think MJs publication of it is still on solid ground, unless they encouraged the recording of it. It’s still murky waters and I don’t think the value of having Republicans be shown as assholes yet again is worth the ethical breach of privacy.

However, what I’m more disappointed about is that the recording wasn’t made by one of McConnell’s staffers, because that means that nobody there had enough of a conscience to recognize that these attacks are ethically wrong and do what he or she could to expose them.

I’m in Costa Rica BTW and it’s rad. I had a monkey on my back earlier.

Now you can say with a straight face that you got the monkey off your back. Have fun in Costa Rica. I’ve heard nothing but wonderful things about it from family and friends who have visited.

iossarian Thu, Apr 11, 2013 2:05:18pm

re: #33 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

No, it was a strictly platonic relationship.

Solid.

iossarian Thu, Apr 11, 2013 2:06:38pm

oops - gotta go.

HappyWarrior Thu, Apr 11, 2013 2:06:48pm

re: #12 Charles Johnson

It needs to be continually pointed out too that Ashley Judd’s problems with depression that the McConnell staff discussed using against her were the result of multiple rapes.

That’s a good point. Anyhow, I don’t know if it was illegally obtained or not but that’s disgusting. McConnell comparing this to the Gestapo is pretty messed up too. Really telling about him and his staff that no one had the decency to say “You know maybe attacking her for depression that she suffered from multiple rapes isn’t the right thing to do.” Too bad McConnell will probably win re-election easily and could still very well be the senate majority leader next Congress.

Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 11, 2013 2:10:08pm

re: #29 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

I had a monkey on my back earlier.

But you can quit any time.

The Ghost of a Flea Thu, Apr 11, 2013 2:11:39pm

re: #37 HappyWarrior

That’s a good point. Anyhow, I don’t know if it was illegally obtained or not but that’s disgusting. McConnell comparing this to the Gestapo is pretty messed up too. Really telling about him and his staff that no one had the decency to say “You know maybe attacking her for depression that she suffered from multiple rapes isn’t the right thing to do.” Too bad McConnell will probably win re-election easily and could still very well be the senate majority leader next Congress.

Judd has spoken and written openly about the things they were talking about. The sickness comes in listening to how they wanted to frame those events to their advantage by stripping out the context.

First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Thu, Apr 11, 2013 2:13:43pm

re: #1 Kragar

Standing in the hall with a smartphone is obviously just like Watergate.

RT @lolgop: Is it bigger than Watergate, Iran-Contra or Abu Ghraib? Republicans only have Republican scandals to use as reference points.
— John Patrick Gatta (@johnpgatta) April 11, 2013

HappyWarrior Thu, Apr 11, 2013 2:14:20pm

re: #39 The Ghost of a Flea

Judd has spoken and written openly about the things they were talking about. The sickness comes in listening to how they wanted to frame those events to their advantage (by stripping out the context).

Precisely. But honestly even if she didn’t suffer from depression due to the rapes. it would still be I think really dirty. I’ve had bouts of depression. Really a low blow to go after someone for that but especially Ashley knowing what she’s been through. McConnell and his guys are nothing but a bunch of punk ass losers.

Backwoods_Sleuth Thu, Apr 11, 2013 2:14:23pm

Mitch isn’t so popular in Kentucky anymore. He’s going to have a very difficult time next year, especially if the Democrats have a decent candidate for a change.

HappyWarrior Thu, Apr 11, 2013 2:14:56pm

re: #40 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Worse than Teapot Dome. Oh wait that was a Republican administration’s scandal too!

NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 11, 2013 2:15:41pm

Is this bad news?

North Korea May Have Nuclear Missile Capability, U.S. Agency Says nyti.ms/Zcsx5J
— The New York Times (@nytimes) April 11, 2013

freetoken Thu, Apr 11, 2013 2:15:54pm

re: #29 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Well, that’s disappointing. Partially it’s disappointing that the recording may very well have been obtained illegally.

Well said.

I’m not so much disappointed but more frustrated, as I see this as yet another way for McConnell, who has long waltzed with any political partnership that asks him at the dance, to avoid accepting any responsibility.

But this is America in 2013, where the old tactic of attack! attack! attack! has been amplified electronically, digitally.

McConnell’s hysterics about a little bit of truth about him coming out is worth it.

Decatur Deb Thu, Apr 11, 2013 2:16:43pm

re: #44 NJDhockeyfan

Is this bad news?

Could be for Pyongyang.

The Ghost of a Flea Thu, Apr 11, 2013 2:19:11pm

re: #41 HappyWarrior

Precisely. But honestly even if she didn’t suffer from depression due to the rapes. it would still be I think really dirty. I’ve had bouts of depression. Really a low blow to go after someone for that but especially Ashley knowing what she’s been through. McConnell and his guys are nothing but a bunch of punk ass losers.

I have issues as well, and I’m really disgusted by how gleeful there are about using “is she CRAZY” as a weapon. It’s pathetic, given that they won’t/can’t engage her on an intellectual level. They’ve slut-shamed her in past, now they’re going to slur her as a hippy moonbat treehugger lunatic.

celticdragon Thu, Apr 11, 2013 2:19:37pm

re: #44 NJDhockeyfan

It would be if the missiles didn’t keep blowing up in mid-flight.

Decatur Deb Thu, Apr 11, 2013 2:20:41pm

re: #47 The Ghost of a Flea

I have issues as well, and I’m really disgusted by how gleeful there are about using “is she CRAZY” as a weapon. It’s pathetic, given that they won’t/can’t engage her on an intellectual level. They’ve slut-shamed her in past, now they’re going to slur her as a hippy moonbat treehugger lunatic.

Worked for Kucinich, across the river there.

Walking Spanish Down the Hall Thu, Apr 11, 2013 2:20:48pm

re: #39 The Ghost of a Flea

Judd has spoken and written openly about the things they were talking about. The sickness comes in listening to how they wanted to frame those events to their advantage by stripping out the context.

Stripping out the context? Say it isn’t so.

When you have a RW icon looking up the definitions of a word you said so he can tell you what you meant and pointedly asking if the words were spoken when you point out he removed all context, you realize how much more important the words are to him, above the intended meaning.

freetoken Thu, Apr 11, 2013 2:23:04pm

Speaking of things being amplified digitally, misunderstanding over evolution is in full show today as outlets try to handle the dump of papers in Science over A. sediba.

New research reveals how human ancestor walked, chewed, and moved

A team of scientists has pieced together how the hominid Australopithecus sediba (Au. sediba) walked, chewed, and moved nearly two million years ago. Their research, which appears in six papers in the latest issue of the journal Science, also shows that Au. sediba had a notable feature that differed from that of modern humans—a functionally longer and more flexible lower back.

[…]

Special Section of the latest Science:

Australopithecus sediba

Open access, at least for some of it.

Kragar Thu, Apr 11, 2013 2:23:05pm

Apparently Bryan Fischer wants a government that gets out of the way.

The great divide in America: a govt which gets out or your way or which …: youtu.be/jf_9FT-oiM4 via @youtube
— Bryan Fischer (@BryanJFischer) April 11, 2013

Except if you’re a woman who wants an abortion, a homosexual who wants to get married, etc…

HappyWarrior Thu, Apr 11, 2013 2:23:13pm

re: #47 The Ghost of a Flea

I have issues as well, and I’m really disgusted by how gleeful there are about using “is she CRAZY” as a weapon. It’s pathetic, given that they won’t/can’t engage her on an intellectual level. They’ve slut-shamed her in past, now they’re going to slur her as a hippy moonbat treehugger lunatic.

To go after someone for that I really think is one of the lowest forms of cowardice. I really wish that we knew without a doubt that this tape was obtained legally so McConnell could have nothing to complain about or twist the story but I really think legally or illegally, Mitch McConnell is still a jerk and how the recording was obtained doesn’t change that part of the story which I think is more the story than anything else. He’s a little shithead for comparing this to the Gestapo too when apparently this was audible to anyone near the room.

celticdragon Thu, Apr 11, 2013 2:23:22pm

re: #47 The Ghost of a Flea

I have issues as well, and I’m really disgusted by how gleeful there are about using “is she CRAZY” as a weapon. It’s pathetic, given that they won’t/can’t engage her on an intellectual level. They’ve slut-shamed her in past, now they’re going to slur her as a hippy moonbat treehugger lunatic.

Accusing women of ‘hysteria’ (the very word comes from the pseudo-scientific belief of a hundred years ago that women were psychologically unbalanced because of having a uterus) is one of the most common means of attacking them.

HappyWarrior Thu, Apr 11, 2013 2:24:06pm

re: #52 Kragar

Apparently Bryan Fischer wants a government that gets out of the way.

Except if you’re a woman who wants an abortion, a homosexual who wants to get married, etc…

Yeah this guy talking about the government getting out of your way is funny considering he’s all for it when he wants the government to enforce his morals. Stupid hypocritical fuckwad.

Walking Spanish Down the Hall Thu, Apr 11, 2013 2:26:33pm

re: #51 freetoken

Speaking of things being amplified digitally, misunderstanding over evolution is in full show today as outlets try to handle the dump of papers in Science over A. sediba.

New research reveals how human ancestor walked, chewed, and moved

Special Section of the latest Science:

Australopithecus sediba

Open access, at least for some of it.

Make sure to send a link to this to Bryan Fischer.

freetoken Thu, Apr 11, 2013 2:28:58pm

re: #56 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

Make sure to send a link to this to Bryan Fischer.

He has no need of Satan’s lies.

Does he?

The Ghost of a Flea Thu, Apr 11, 2013 2:29:56pm

re: #54 celticdragon

Accusing women of ‘hysteria’ (the very word comes from the pseudo-scientific belief of a hundred years ago that women were psychologically unbalanced because of having a uterus) is one of the most common means of attacking them.

Yeah. Watching the way local (Kentucky) businessmen treat my mother—who is very intelligent, highly qualified, and extremely savvy—has done more to make me a feminist than four years at crazy leftist UofC.

Either she’s being irrational or a she’s a bitch. Also, lots of really gross/inappropriate flirting.

Walking Spanish Down the Hall Thu, Apr 11, 2013 2:30:55pm

re: #57 freetoken

He has no need of Satan’s lies.

Does he?

I want him to believe he’s completely surrounded by the forces of hell. Maybe he’ll retreat into his safe room.

Walking Spanish Down the Hall Thu, Apr 11, 2013 2:32:40pm

BBL
Time to go get the wife.

The Ghost of a Flea Thu, Apr 11, 2013 2:33:20pm

re: #53 HappyWarrior

To go after someone for that I really think is one of the lowest forms of cowardice.

QFT

Then again, he’s buddies with people who think “We saw her tits, therefore she can’t have an opinion on strip mining” is a worthwhile argument.

He’s a little shithead for comparing this to the Gestapo too when apparently this was audible to anyone near the room.

Turtle’s trying to slice himself off a little bit of the persecution loaf.

HappyWarrior Thu, Apr 11, 2013 2:38:04pm

re: #61 The Ghost of a Flea

QFT

Then again, he’s buddies with people who think “We saw her tits, therefore she can’t have an opinion on strip mining” is a worthwhile argument.

Turtle’s trying to slice himself off a little bit of the persecution loaf.

Yeah, I saw that. Can you get any more patronizing? Anyhow, I hope whoever runs against him gives him a run for his money. Make the coward scared and spend money.

Vicious Babushka Thu, Apr 11, 2013 2:50:50pm

I can’t find an email address for Yoseph Geisinsky, the rabbi who invited Pamela to speak at his congregation on Sunday, so I will have to send a postal letter. Of course by that time she will have already appeared to spread her poison.

I don’t like “open letters” but it looks like I will have to make a blog post at the same time that I mail this protest letter.

Backwoods_Sleuth Thu, Apr 11, 2013 2:57:50pm

re: #63 Vicious Babushka

I can’t find an email address for Yoseph Geisinsky, the rabbi who invited Pamela to speak at his congregation on Sunday, so I will have to send a postal letter. Of course by that time she will have already appeared to spread her poison.

I don’t like “open letters” but it looks like I will have to make a blog post at the same time that I mail this protest letter.

Is there an email addy for his synagogue you can use?

Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 11, 2013 3:00:59pm

Checking something…

Eclectic Cyborg Thu, Apr 11, 2013 3:02:12pm

re: #63 Vicious Babushka

I can’t find an email address for Yoseph Geisinsky, the rabbi who invited Pamela to speak at his congregation on Sunday, so I will have to send a postal letter. Of course by that time she will have already appeared to spread her poison.

I don’t like “open letters” but it looks like I will have to make a blog post at the same time that I mail this protest letter.

Try this link

chabadli.org

Also it appears he may have a Twitter account.

NJDhockeyfan Thu, Apr 11, 2013 3:07:28pm

Shawn Reilly atty’s disavow Jacob Conways description of how McConnell meeting taped, (standing in the hallway, holding elevator)
— Joe Arnold (@WHAS11Joe) April 11, 2013

simoom Thu, Apr 11, 2013 3:07:41pm

About Progress Kentucky.

They have no money, because no one is supporting them, or whatever it is they think they’re doing:

washingtonpost.com

Progress Kentucky came under fire earlier this year for a tweet about Mitch McConnell’s Chinese-American wife. After the tape went public, McConnell tied the tape to the offensive tweet, saying both showed how low “the political left” would go in attacking him. The group, which had attracted little notice until the tweet, had raised only about $1,000 as of December.

Their operation is stuck in perpetual amateur hour:
politico.com

Progress Kentucky, which was formed in December to oppose McConnell, received a letter from the FEC Feb. 19 asking for the super PAC to disclose its donors and expenditures.

The group was required to file its fundraising reports by Jan. 31.

They’re essentially the equivalent of some small town Tea Party group, with no political common sense, where everything they try and do blows up in their faces, and who McConnell thanks his lucky stars he has to promote as his diabolical foils. Even if this latest stunt doesn’t turn out to be criminal they really should all just go away, as they should realize by now they don’t have the chops to operate competently in the political sphere.

Targetpractice Thu, Apr 11, 2013 3:11:29pm

re: #68 simoom

About Progress Kentucky.

They have no money, because no one is supporting them, or whatever it is they think they’re doing:

washingtonpost.com

Their operation is stuck in perpetual amateur hour:
politico.com

They’re essentially the equivalent of some small town Tea Party group, with no political common sense, where everything they try and do blows up in their faces, and who McConnell thanks his lucky stars he has to promote as his diabolical foils. Even if this latest stunt doesn’t turn out to be criminal they really should all just go away, as they should realize by now they don’t have the chops to operate competently in the political sphere.

Which is why, at first blush, this reads to me like the local Democrats trying to put as much distance between themselves and this event. Not that it matters, McConnell’s going to keep insisting that they and ProgressKY and joined at the hip and that the recording was done at their direction.

sattv4u2 Thu, Apr 11, 2013 3:21:28pm

...

sattv4u2 Thu, Apr 11, 2013 3:21:58pm

re: #60 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

BBL
Time to go get the wife.

Whose??
/

Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 11, 2013 3:23:29pm

re: #68 simoom

Yes, it’s a very small group of left wingers. Interesting that both the Democratic Party and the Beltway press are treating this as something they’d rather not have anything to do with.

I’ll be a bit surprised if any charges are ever filed against the two guys who recorded the meeting. This is not even close to a James O’Keefe-type situation - they didn’t apparently set out to bug anyone, just stumbled into a situation where they heard something interesting going on and used a phone to record it. No setups involved.

kirkspencer Thu, Apr 11, 2013 3:30:44pm

re: #72 Charles Johnson

Yes, it’s a very small group of left wingers. Interesting that both the Democratic Party and the Beltway press are treating this as something they’d rather not have anything to do with.

I’ll be a bit surprised if any charges are ever filed against the two guys who recorded the meeting. This is not even close to a James O’Keefe-type situation - they didn’t apparently set out to bug anyone, just stumbled into a situation where they heard something interesting going on and used a phone to record it. No setups involved.

Actually, given that McConnell is involved I’d be surprised if charges are NOT filed. Keeping it rolling and in the news, popping up at irregular intervals, lets him continue playing the victim card. That’s secondary, of course. The primary reason is that Mitch is one vindictive SOB.

Targetpractice Thu, Apr 11, 2013 3:35:30pm

re: #73 kirkspencer

Actually, given that McConnell is involved I’d be surprised if charges are NOT filed. Keeping it rolling and in the news, popping up at irregular intervals, lets him continue playing the victim card. That’s secondary, of course. The primary reason is that Mitch is one vindictive SOB.

Not too often or at least not in great detail, as he’ll want to avoid anybody hearing exactly what the charges are about. He wants to bury this story under the headstones of the recorders.

Backwoods_Sleuth Thu, Apr 11, 2013 3:44:34pm

CREW is on Mitch over using Senate staff/resources.

livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com

Targetpractice Thu, Apr 11, 2013 3:50:26pm

re: #75 Backwoods_Sleuth

CREW is on Mitch over using Senate staff/resources.

livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com

That may have longer-term consequences than this recording would. Being embroiled in ethics charges tends to do more to sour one’s poll numbers than being caught considering how to engage in ratfking.

dragonath Thu, Apr 11, 2013 4:02:14pm

re: #68 simoom

Their operation is stuck in perpetual amateur hour:
politico.com

They’re essentially the equivalent of some small town Tea Party group, with no political common sense, where everything they try and do blows up in their faces, and who McConnell thanks his lucky stars he has to promote as his diabolical foils. Even if this latest stunt doesn’t turn out to be criminal they really should all just go away, as they should realize by now they don’t have the chops to operate competently in the political sphere.

I wonder if Progress Kentucky was behind this thing at CPAC, but it was blown out of the news by the other insane panels. This story is from Buzzfeed:

Democrats Try And Fail To Catch Conservatives Cheering Ashley Judd’s On-Screen Death

Walking Spanish Down the Hall Thu, Apr 11, 2013 4:03:28pm

re: #71 sattv4u2

Whose??
/

One I found walking down the street.

Kragar Thu, Apr 11, 2013 4:05:36pm

McConnell couldn’t possibly have violated his ethics. He would need to have had some first.

Vicious Babushka Thu, Apr 11, 2013 4:05:59pm

OH NOES THEY’RE ON TO ME!!!

@viciousbabushka You are a liberal troll pretending to be prolife. We can be done! #prolife
— Lisa (@joyreaper) April 11, 2013

Targetpractice Thu, Apr 11, 2013 4:07:22pm

Seriously though, the revelation about this story actually makes it even more obvious how far removed from Watergate it is, despite the squeals of wingnuts. There was no bug, no grand conspiracy, nothing more than two bumbling idiots who just happened to catch part of a juicy discussion and whipped out a smartphone to record it.

Kragar Thu, Apr 11, 2013 4:08:00pm

Lawmakers Want Army to Apologize for Attacks on Christians

“This is astonishing and offensive,” read a draft of the letter written by Rep. Doug Lamborn (R-CO). “We call on you to rescind this briefing and apologize for its content and set the record straight on the Army’s view on these faith groups by providing a balanced briefing on religious extremism.”

Lamborn is referring to an Army training session conducted last year that featured a presentation listing Evangelical Christianity and Catholicism as examples of extremism – alongside Al Qaeda and Hamas.

Army spokesman George Wright later said it was an isolated incident not condoned by the Dept. of the Army. And the slide, he said, was not produced by the Army nor did it reflect their policy or doctrine.

“To say that Evangelicals or Catholics are somehow in the same league with Al Qaeda or the KKK is outrageous,” Lamborn told Fox News.

sattv4u2 Thu, Apr 11, 2013 4:08:58pm

re: #78 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

One I found walking down the street.

Singing Do Wah Diddy Diddy ,,,

Youtube Video

Targetpractice Thu, Apr 11, 2013 4:09:01pm

re: #82 Kragar

Lawmakers Want Army to Apologize for Attacks on Christians

“Balanced.” They keep using that word. I do not think it means they think it means.

Vicious Babushka Thu, Apr 11, 2013 4:11:17pm

re: #66 Eclectic Cyborg

Try this link

chabadli.org

Also it appears he may have a Twitter account.

He’s also on Facebook.

EPR-radar Thu, Apr 11, 2013 4:20:37pm

re: #82 Kragar

On its face, this training material does appear to be offensively dimwitted.

A slide labeled ‘religious extremism’ has a list that includes:

Catholicism
Ku Klux Clan
Army of God
Evangelical Christianity
Kahane movement
Al Quaeda
Sunni Muslims

among others. (edited to add Sunni Muslims to the quoted list entries)

Kragar Thu, Apr 11, 2013 4:31:40pm

Well, it took me 3 separate attempts to actually get the correct address on the envelopes with all the correct forms actually in the envelopes, but my taxes are done and ready to be mailed.

chadu Thu, Apr 11, 2013 7:52:40pm

re: #80 Vicious Babushka

OH NOES THEY’RE ON TO ME!!!

They have reading comprehension problems.

Buck Thu, Apr 11, 2013 8:44:21pm

standing in a public hallway

We actually know for a fact that the office is on the second floor of a secure building.

The story of them just standing around and simply overhearing is demonstrably bogus.

There were a lot of people at that office earlier in the day, and the building was cleared after the open house.

AntonSirius Fri, Apr 12, 2013 4:54:26am

re: #54 celticdragon

Accusing women of ‘hysteria’ (the very word comes from the pseudo-scientific belief of a hundred years ago that women were psychologically unbalanced because of having a uterus) is one of the most common means of attacking them.

Mitch McConnell reacts to having his meeting recorded.

Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Fri, Apr 12, 2013 5:32:52am

re: #89 Buck

We actually know for a fact that the office is on the second floor of a secure building.

The story of them just standing around and simply overhearing is demonstrably bogus.

There were a lot of people at that office earlier in the day, and the building was cleared after the open house.

Please demonstrate that it’s bogus then, Buck.

As I’ve said, I think this was an ethical breach even if it wasn’t a legal one and I don’t think they should have done it.

Do you think that those present at the meeting should have gone to the press themselves, given the awful nature of the attacks described, including mocking Judd’s Christianity?

Buck Fri, Apr 12, 2013 7:14:46am

re: #91 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Please demonstrate that it’s bogus then, Buck.

As I’ve said, I think this was an ethical breach even if it wasn’t a legal one and I don’t think they should have done it.

Do you think that those present at the meeting should have gone to the press themselves, given the awful nature of the attacks described, including mocking Judd’s Christianity?

There have been multiple interviews with people who have been to the office building. The meeting room is on the second floor AND the the entire building is a private and secure building.

There is no “public hallway” in the building.

I have already stated that I do not hear anything on the audio that is illegal or immoral to discuss in a private conversation.

Compared to the attacks on Sarah Palin (the entire attack about her not being her child’s real mother for example by a cover page author of Newsweek Magazine) nothing in that private conversation seems to be awful.

So many attack political (and not political) figures religious faith almost everyday here on this website.

You suddenly think that mocking a person’s religious beliefs is awful?

What do you think the Dr. Ben Carson “believes in magic” thread was doing?

Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Fri, Apr 12, 2013 7:35:49am

re: #92 Buck

There have been multiple interviews with people who have been to the office building. The meeting room is on the second floor AND the the entire building is a private and secure building.

Can you link to these interviews, please?

Compared to the attacks on Sarah Palin (the entire attack about her not being her child’s real mother for example by a cover page author of Newsweek Magazine) nothing in that private conversation seems to be awful.

Why is your sense of morality and ethics relative?

And you don’t think that attacking a woman for depression brought on by multiple rapes is awful? Really? That’s not awful to you? Can you explain why not?

You suddenly think that mocking a person’s religious beliefs is awful?

What do you think the Dr. Ben Carson “believes in magic” thread was doing?

I guess I wasn’t clear enough. They were going to attack her for the way she expressed her views on Christianity— quoting St. Francis. This is from a group that expressly holds themselves as the pro-religion, even pro-Christian party. It is not the attack on her for being religious— I’m wondering now if you even read the transcript, because of how badly you’ve misunderstood this— it’s mocking her Christianity and the way she’s expressing it, and the hypocrisy of them doing so.

Maybe you should read the transcript; I don’t think you’re a terrible person and so I doubt you actually are saying that attacking a woman for having been raped isn’t awful.

Dr. Matt Fri, Apr 12, 2013 8:02:46am

re: #92 Buck

The meeting room is on the second floor AND the the entire building is a private and secure building.

There is no “public hallway” in the building.

Proof?

Dr. Matt Fri, Apr 12, 2013 8:03:32am

re: #89 Buck

We actually know for a fact that the office is on the second floor of a secure building.

Please provide your thesis for this “fact”.

We’ll wait…..

Buck Fri, Apr 12, 2013 8:41:34am

re: #93 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Can you link to these interviews, please?

No, but only because I am no longer doing links.

The story linked to in the OP makes it clear that this is a secure building, not a public office. People have to be buzzed in. The people who allegedly did the recording were known to the McConnell office. They were not invited. It will be known soon enough how they got in (misrepresented who they are?)

Why is your sense of morality and ethics relative?

You are funny. I am pointing out that you had no problem with the mocking of Dr. Ben Carson, and you want to reverse that and make it sound like my sense of morality is relative?

To answer your question, my sense of morality and ethics are not relative.

This was a private conversation, behind a locked door.

You can find multiple sources that will tell you that the building is secure, and the office in which the meeting was held was upstairs. There are security cameras at the entrance and a secretary on the McConnell office floor.

I realize that in order for you to believe a conservative publication or person you will need to walk through the building yourself.

Why is your burden of proof relative?

And you don’t think that attacking a woman for depression brought on by multiple rapes is awful? Really? That’s not awful to you? Can you explain why not?

First of all there was no actual attack. There was no actual public To criticism, hostile or otherwise. A private conversation, behind a locked door, among people who are discussing an issue that is clearly part of their job is not actually an attack.

Secondly these issues were brought up more than a few times by Democrats who thought that she not should be the person who runs for that office.

I guess I wasn’t clear enough. They were going to attack her for the way she expressed her views on Christianity— quoting St. Francis. This is from a group that expressly holds themselves as the pro-religion, even pro-Christian party. It is not the attack on her for being religious— I’m wondering now if you even read the transcript, because of how badly you’ve misunderstood this— it’s mocking her Christianity and the way she’s expressing it, and the hypocrisy of them doing so.

Yes, I understand that you need the examples to be EXACTLY the same in order to condemn them both. This of course is a ridiculous standard.

Again, I am floored that you are suddenly the “mocking Christianity is bad” guy. However I point out again that this was a private conversation, behind a locked door, among people who are discussing an issue that is clearly part of their job.

If you had heard them say that they would never actually say any of this publically but would get a surrogate to make these points make it better?

Maybe you should read the transcript; I don’t think you’re a terrible person and so I doubt you actually are saying that attacking a woman for having been raped isn’t awful.

Seriously is that what you think I said? You are correct to doubt that. I have read the transcript. At no time did anyone discuss attacking a woman for being raped. Certainly no one actually attacked a woman for being raped.

Buck Fri, Apr 12, 2013 8:51:53am

re: #95 Dr. Matt

Please provide your thesis for this “fact”.

We’ll wait…..

This is an actual building. There are still some things that are not left to opinion.

What I am waiting for is any proof that this isn’t a clear case of using device to listen in on a meeting without consent.

Without that, this seems to me that this is starting to point to a class D felony.

526.010 Definition.
The following definition applies in this chapter, unless the context otherwise requires:
“Eavesdrop” means to overhear, record, amplify or transmit any part of a wire or oral communication of others without the consent of at least one (1) party thereto by means of any electronic, mechanical or other device.

Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Fri, Apr 12, 2013 8:57:24am

re: #96 Buck

No, but only because I am no longer doing links.

Why are you no longer doing links? Do you mean these interviews aren’t actually reported anywhere other than wingnut places?

The story linked to in the OP makes it clear that this is a secure building, not a public office. People have to be buzzed in. The people who allegedly did the recording were known to the McConnell office. They were not invited. It will be known soon enough how they got in (misrepresented who they are?)

As I said, what they did was an ethical breach, and may have been illegal. To know if it was illegal for certain, we’ll have to have more facts. You claim to have these facts, but you won’t actually give them. I’ve already condemed the recording as unethical, and said it may be illegal. If you give me proof that it was, not just speculation, I’ll do so. You haven’t.

You are funny. I am pointing out that you had no problem with the mocking of Dr. Ben Carson, and you want to reverse that and make it sound like my sense of morality is relative?

You still don’t get it. They’re not mocking her Christianity in the same terms as Ben Carson’s anti-science beliefs are being mocked. They’re mocking the way she’s expressing her religious beliefs. They don’t care about the sincerity with which she’s expressing them.

I really don’t know how you can fail to understand this. You are putting mocking someone for believing the earth was created 6000 years ago to mocking someone for the particular way they expressed their religious beliefs. The two things are not only not exactly the same, they’re not even remotely similar. The earth really isn’t 6000 years old. Carson really is nutty to think that it is. Religion that declares science to be false and teaches ignorance is mockable, as purposeful ignorance always is.

Instead, these people are mocking her for quoting St. Francis of Assisi. Nothing she said is wrong, just mystical. It was an expression of her relationship with god.

If you can show me being ‘fine’ with someone mocking someone for just expressing the way they relate to god— not denying science, or hating on gay people— then go for it. But you can’t.

Seriously is that what you think I said? You are correct to doubt that. I have read the transcript. At no time did anyone discuss attacking a woman for being raped. Certainly no one actually attacked a woman for being raped.

They discussed using her depression, the result of multiple rapes, to attack her.

if you were present at that session, Buck, would you at least have spoken out about the abhorrent nature of these proposed attacks?

iossarian Fri, Apr 12, 2013 8:58:24am

re: #96 Buck

Seriously is that what you think I said? You are correct to doubt that. I have read the transcript. At no time did anyone discuss attacking a woman for being raped. Certainly no one actually attacked a woman for being raped.

I think that’s a bit of a stretch. They were going to say she was unsuitable due to a history of depression, which was brought on by rape. That’s a shitty thing to do and I doubt you would endorse this course of action as being morally acceptable.

re: #97 Buck

Without that, this seems to me that this is starting to point to a class D felony.

You’re correct to point out the legal issues surrounding these events. I think it’s also fair to acknowledge that the actions that McConnell and his associates were contemplating, namely the depression line of attack and the hypocrisy of a supposedly pro-Christian party attacking someone for quoting an early Christian saint are morally reprehensible.

100

Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Fri, Apr 12, 2013 9:02:03am

re: #99 iossarian

In addition, if McConnell had his staff work on these attacks… that’s also a crime.

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Buck Fri, Apr 12, 2013 9:40:29am

re: #98 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

The two things are not only not exactly the same, they’re not even remotely similar.

They discussed using her depression, the result of multiple rapes, to attack her.

Both statements of opinion, and not supported by facts.

The two examples of mocking a persons religious expression do not have to be exactly the same in order for them to be BOTH example of mocking a persons religious beliefs. (I will also say that there was no actual quote from Carson that he believed in a 6000 year earth. Only that he belonged to a church that believed it.)

IN FACT when discussing her mental state they use a quote from her where she says American commercialism “sets her off”. The examples she gives are Fuzzy slippers and choices of cereal.

At no time is rape discussed. Even in her book (which I have read), the depression is in the 90’s and she gives multiple other reasons for it.

AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, discussions in private cannot be said to be actual attacks. The campaign did actually attack her in public, after that private meeting took place, and at no time did they mention her depression, hospitalization or anything that you could even remotely connect to the sexual abuse she suffered as a child.

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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Fri, Apr 12, 2013 9:42:34am

re: #101 Buck

Both statements of opinion, and not supported by facts.

I’m sorry, I’m not understand. Both what? Both Carson’s idea that the earth is 6000 years old and her belief that god exists, or what?

Can you please answer, Buck, if you were at this meeting, would you have protested at the ugliness of it, or not?

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Buck Fri, Apr 12, 2013 9:50:58am

re: #102 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

I’m sorry, I’m not understand. Both what? Both Carson’s idea that the earth is 6000 years old and her belief that god exists, or what?

Can you please answer, Buck, if you were at this meeting, would you have protested at the ugliness of it, or not?

Here we start with your stupid questions trying to get me to say something you will find objectionable.

I put up two quotes from you and then stated that “Both statements of opinion, and not supported by facts.”

Both of the quote I pulled from you are statements of opinion.

#1 It is your opinion only that the two examples of mocking a person’s religion have to be exactly the same in order to be similar.

#2 It is your opinion that “They discussed using her depression, the result of multiple rapes, to attack her.”

I then explain why those statements are not supported by facts.

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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Fri, Apr 12, 2013 9:56:02am

Oh, sorry, Buck, I misunderstood you. I didn’t realize you were talking about my quotes.

That her depression has roots in the incest and rape she suffered seems rather common sense to me. You don’t think that rape and incest causes trauma and depression or what?

105

Buck Fri, Apr 12, 2013 10:02:03am

re: #102 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Can you please answer, Buck, if you were at this meeting, would you have protested at the ugliness of it, or not?

Very stupid question. Trying to make this about me. You are funny. I suppose my answer would be that I am not in politics for a very good reason.

I don’t remember you coming forward to say that calling attention and making fun of the sport of dressage as a therapeutic option for Ann Romney’s multiple sclerosis was ugly. Oh wait it is not exactly the same, so for you it can’t even be similar.

BTW I do point out that someone did object to the ugliness of using her depression to attack her, as that was not, in fact, used to attack her.

As Mother Jones has already admitted that they don’t know exactly how the recording was originally obtained (ie they just received it and didn’t actually create it), I don’t think they could testify that it was not edited before they received and broadcast it.

106

Buck Fri, Apr 12, 2013 10:05:47am

re: #104 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

That her depression has roots in the incest and rape she suffered seems rather common sense to me. You don’t think that rape and incest causes trauma and depression or what?

I have answered your question. You just keep trying to twist what I say to make me seem heartless. You are only displaying your own insensitivity, not mine.

107

iossarian Fri, Apr 12, 2013 11:51:16am

re: #105 Buck

I don’t remember you coming forward to say that calling attention and making fun of the sport of dressage as a therapeutic option for Ann Romney’s multiple sclerosis was ugly. Oh wait it is not exactly the same, so for you it can’t even be similar.

Making use of “the sport of dressage” as a therapeutic option for treating multiple sclerosis absolutely deserves to have the holy piss ripped out of it, when your husband is keen on denying people “food stamps” as a therapeutic option for being hungry.

Ann Romney can go jogging. That helps too and doesn’t cost a bazillion dollars that have been cheated out of the bank accounts of hard-working people.

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Buck Fri, Apr 12, 2013 1:21:59pm

re: #107 iossarian

Ann Romney can go jogging. That helps too and doesn’t cost a bazillion dollars that have been cheated out of the bank accounts of hard-working people.

Ahh, Dr. iossarian speaks.

Thank you for attending the meeting and attacking a woman diagnosed with multiple sclerosis and cancer. We will see if anyone, besides myself, protests the ugliness of your attack, or not.

109

iossarian Fri, Apr 12, 2013 1:38:20pm

re: #108 Buck

Ahh, Dr. iossarian speaks.

Thank you for attending the meeting and attacking a woman diagnosed with multiple sclerosis and cancer. We will see if anyone, besides myself, protests the ugliness of your attack, or not.

Weak sauce. Ann Romney’s MS isn’t caused by horseriding, it’s a sad condition that she presumably struggles with. So laughing at the dressage isn’t about MS, it’s about the fact that the Romneys have too much cash to know what to do with it.

She rides horses to make herself feel better. This would be fine except that her husband is all about ripping off the poor to make himself richer, which means that she is benefitting from a form of treatment that she implicitly denies to others. I mock the fact that the Romneys fly dressage horses about in private planes and build houses with car elevators because it’s crass, selfish behavior. Having a genuine medical condition doesn’t change that - it’s not as if because you’re ill you get a pass to behave like an asshole.

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engineer cat Fri, Apr 12, 2013 1:53:02pm

re: #108 Buck

Ahh, Dr. iossarian speaks.

Thank you for attending the meeting and attacking a woman diagnosed with multiple sclerosis and cancer. We will see if anyone, besides myself, protests the ugliness of your attack, or not.

so your rule is, then, that no person who’s ever suffered a serious illness can be criticized?

since you are the moderator in charge of public debate, please post a link to your guidelines

111

kirkspencer Fri, Apr 12, 2013 2:05:15pm

re: #96 Buck

No, but only because I am no longer doing links.

The story linked to in the OP makes it clear that this is a secure building, not a public office. People have to be buzzed in. [snip]

Quoting only this because it needs disputed. People do not have to be buzzed into the Watterson Towers in Louisville, KY. Nor do they have to have authorization to be in the hallway of the second floor, where McConnell’s campaign headquarters has leased some (and possibly all) the suites.

The building is 1930 Bishop Lane, Louisville, KY. The mailing office is suite 132. “McConnell Senate Committee” if you’re minded to go looking.

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Buck Fri, Apr 12, 2013 5:41:32pm

re: #110 engineer cat

so your rule is, then, that no person who’s ever suffered a serious illness can be criticized?

since you are the moderator in charge of public debate, please post a link to your guidelines

It is so funny that you turned that around on me. Clearly you came into the conversation at the end and think that I am the one who is horrified by idea that a private conversation in a campaign office would be privately discussing their opponents political weaknesses.

Well, You got it exactly reversed.

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Buck Fri, Apr 12, 2013 6:19:08pm

re: #111 kirkspencer

We will find out when more facts come out.

It is being widely reported that there is a security guard in the lobby, and you have to have to get buzzed in to get past him and to the elevator.

We will see. FBI has the lobby video.

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engineer cat Fri, Apr 12, 2013 8:16:59pm

re: #112 Buck

It is so funny that you turned that around on me. Clearly you came into the conversation at the end and think that I am the one who is horrified by idea that a private conversation in a campaign office would be privately discussing their opponents political weaknesses.

Well, You got it exactly reversed.

thank you for missing the point

re: #108 Buck

Ahh, Dr. iossarian speaks.

Thank you for attending the meeting and attacking a woman diagnosed with multiple sclerosis and cancer. We will see if anyone, besides myself, protests the ugliness of your attack, or not.

if we were plotting to destroy anne romney’s reputation by harping on her illnesses, then you would have a point

but we weren’t

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Buck Sun, Apr 14, 2013 11:36:32am

re: #98 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

If you can show me being ‘fine’ with someone mocking someone for just expressing the way they relate to god— not denying science, or hating on gay people— then go for it. But you can’t.

You have been ‘fine’ multiple times with people mocking Christian Zionists (which is a way they relate to God).

Every time you are ‘fine’ with people who mock Mormon (magic underwear), you are ‘fine’ with mocking a people for the way they relate to god.

AND BTW believing in creationism is a way people relate to their god. Most of the organized religions believe in a form of creationism. The Koran, if one interprets it literally, teaches a six-day creation. As to the age of the earth, again a straightforward reading implies a creation of all things a few thousand years ago—no room for billions of years of evolution.

I don’t think I will catch you mocking Islam, or anyone follower of Islam just because they believe in the teachings of the Koran.

You being fine with mocking people for the way they relate to their religion seems to be reserved for Christians.

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Buck Sun, Apr 14, 2013 11:48:51am

re: #114 engineer cat

if we were plotting to destroy anne romney’s reputation by harping on her illnesses, then you would have a point

Instead people ACTUALLY did attack her by harping on her illness.

The whole Mitt Romney “steals from the poor” is just opinion and not actually fact. For you it is clear that all rich conservatives steal, but rich Democrats are just naturally rich.

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engineer cat Mon, Apr 15, 2013 1:52:31pm

re: #116 Buck

Instead people ACTUALLY did attack her by harping on her illness.

prove it

The whole Mitt Romney “steals from the poor” is just opinion and not actually fact. For you it is clear that all rich conservatives steal, but rich Democrats are just naturally rich.

again ‘conservatives’ feel that they have the right to put opinions in the mouths of other people

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