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This 100% hand-made, action-packed short film tries to keep up as a Texas Sheriff hilariously massacres a race of clumsy aliens.

Awards:
Best Animated Film - Tacama Film Festival
Best Nod to the Republic of Texas - Couch Fest Films 2012
Platinum Remi Award - WorldFest, Houston
Best Animated Horror Short Film - Tabloid Witch Awards
Best Animated Film, Audience Choice - Oceansdie Int’l Film Fest
Best Animated Film, Jury Award - Oceanside Int’l Film Fest
Nom for Best Animated Short - Sacramento Horror Film Festival
Best Animated Film - Catalina Int’l Film Festival
Best Student Animated Film! - First Glance

Screenings:
Slamdance 2012
Seattle International Film Festival
Los Angeles Film Festival
Austin In’l Film Festival
Eugene Int’l Film Festival
Atlantic Film Festvial
Northwest Animation Festival
Burlington Animation Festival
Spooky Movie Int’l Horror Film Festival
New Orleans Int’l Film Festival
New Orleans Horror Film Festival
Sacramento Horror Film Festival
Terror Film Festival
HollyShorts Film Festival
Sydney Underground Film Festival
Shock and Gore Film Festival
Syracuse Horror, SciFi and Fantasy Festival
Columbia Gorge Int’l Film Festival
A NIGHT OF HORROR FILM FESTIVAL
Arizona Int’l Film Festival
USA Film Festival
Los Angeles Fear and Fantasy Film Festival

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273 comments
1 Charles Johnson  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 4:47:34pm

Very slow news day today.

2 thedopefishlives  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 4:52:12pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

Very slow news day today.

Yeah. Even Winter Storm Walda turned out to be somewhat of a bust. Enough to keep me home from work, true, but not the 14-15” juggernaut that the National Weather Service had been making it out to be.

3 Targetpractice  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 4:54:34pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

Very slow news day today.

I’m too busy watching wingnuts turn a clown shoes, small-time political group into the Watergate operatives.

4 thedopefishlives  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 5:00:15pm

re: #3 Targetpractice

I’m too busy watching wingnuts turn a clown shoes, small-time political group into the Watergate operatives.

Baseball here. Thankfully the Twins aren’t playing today, a bit cold and snowy here for that. Though it would certainly be no worse than Opening Day was.

5 Kragar  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 5:02:07pm

GOP senators claim ‘no one has read’ publicly accessible text of gun bill

The Senate voted 68-31 to move a gun bill to the floor for debate, defeating a filibuster lead by Sens. Mike Lee (R-UT), Rand Paul (R-KY) and Ted Cruz (R-TX). Prior to the vote, the three senators accused the Senate of voting on legislation that no one had even read.

“This morning the Senate will vote on the motion to proceed to the firearms bill (S.649),” they said in a joint statement. “It is expected that the Toomey-Manchin provision announced yesterday will replace the current language regarding background checks. Yet, as of this morning, not a single senator has been provided the legislative language of this provision. Because the background-check measure is the centerpiece of this legislation it is critical that we know what is in the bill before we vote on it. The American people expect more and deserve better.

“Unfortunately, the effort to push through legislation that no one had read highlights one of the primary reasons we announced our intention to force a 60 vote threshold,” the three senators added. “We believe the abuse of the process is how the rights of Americans are systematically eroded and we will continue to do everything in our power to prevent it.”

But the full text of the bill — the Safe Communities, Safe Schools Act of 2013 — has been publicly available since late March.

6 Kragar  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 5:03:07pm

Got to go to my daughter’s school concert in about 30 minutes.

7 Amory Blaine  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 5:16:09pm

400,000 fewer Wisconsin workers get health care through employer

An estimated 400,000 fewer people in Wisconsin get health insurance through an employer than a decade ago, as fewer employers offer coverage and fewer workers opt to accept it, according to a report released Thursday.

The percentage of the state’s population under 65 with health benefits fell to an average of 69.1% for 2010 and 2011 compared with an average of 79% for 1999 and 2000, according to the report financed by the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation, which funds research and projects to improve health and health care.

That compares with a national average of 59.5%, down from 69.7% in 1999 and 2000.

8 engineer cat  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 5:19:10pm

GOP senators claim ‘no one has

then fucking read it

what part of ‘it’s your job’ don’t you understand?

9 Amory Blaine  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 5:19:47pm

Underground homeless camp cleared near the East Bottoms

Kansas City police, a local charity and other city departments on Friday cleared out and filled in a complex of elaborate tunnels and holes at a homeless camp near the East Bottoms.

“One of the tunnels probably went 20 to 25 feet underground towards the back and veered off in another direction about six feet or so, and there was some bedding and some candles,” said Officer Jason Cooley, community interaction officer for the East Patrol. “It was kind of in a little hill and probably four feet beneath the surface.”

Another tunnel dropped about five feet into the ground before shooting off laterally for seven or eight feet. Many of the holes were concealed. At least one had wood stacked around it and others were bare earth. PVC pipe provided ventilation. What especially concerned Cooley was a pile of recently soiled diapers, indicating the presence of children.

10 Amory Blaine  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 5:27:07pm

Unanimous Senate vote to support drug testing welfare applicants

Texas could become the next state to approve drug testing some applicants for state assistance if a measure finds unanimous support in the House as it did in a Senate vote Wednesday.

Senate Bill 11 is the first of seven bills to pass either chamber that would mandate drug screening and testing for applicants to the federally funded and state-run Temporary Assistance for Needy Families, or TANF, program, which provides small payments for food and shelter while applicants look for work or receive career training.

Members of both parties asked several questions of the bill’s author, Sen. Jane Nelson, R-Flower Mound, that seem designed to highlight their good work.

“It ensures that TANF, formerly known as welfare, supports its core purpose of helping families to achieve self-sufficiency,” said Nelson, as she introduced the bill. “We found common ground to support a plan that makes sure state resources aren’t used to support a drug habit while at the same time making sure children receiving benefit in a productive environment.”

11 Charles Johnson  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 5:29:50pm

There are now 12 articles at Pamela Geller’s hate site ranting and spewing hate at the Great Neck Synagogue. She’s in fine form tonight.

12 Amory Blaine  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 5:34:17pm

Congressman Jeff Duncan:

The 2nd Amendment is (or should be) equal to the 1st Amendment and the 4th Amendment and all of the others. Ask yourselves why it is under attack? Ask yourselves about a National gun registry database and how that might be used and why it is so wanted by progressives.

Read about the Rwandan genocide, the Hutu and Tutsi tribes. Read that all Tutsi tribe members were required to register their address with the Hutu government and that this database was used to locate Tutsi for slaughter at the hands of the Hutu. (Since the government had the names and addresses of nearly all Tutsis living in Rwanda (remember, each Rwandan had an identity card that labeled them Tutsi, Hutu, or Twa) the killers could go door to door, slaughtering the Tutsis.

Not with firearms, mind you, but with machetes.

I use this example to warn that national databases can be used with evil consequences.

13 Charles Johnson  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 5:34:25pm

Wow, Amazon Prime has all the seasons of the TV show Fringe at no charge. Always wanted to check it out.

14 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 5:35:09pm

Oh yay, I just got my Samsung Galaxy SIII smartphone!

15 Amory Blaine  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 5:36:13pm

I like Prime, but none of my streaming devices or smart TV’s support it. I don’t know if any streaming device supports it.

16 Decatur Deb  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 5:39:33pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

Very slow news day today.

S Alabama and N Florida are under a tornado watch. We contribute what we can.

17 Stanley Sea  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 5:39:55pm

re: #14 Vicious Babushka

Oh yay, I just got my Samsung Galaxy SIII smartphone!

Lucky!!!

Good evening people.

18 Amory Blaine  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 5:42:43pm

Greetings.

19 wrenchwench  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 5:45:14pm

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Luego, lagartos.

20 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 5:49:13pm

re: #16 Decatur Deb

S Alabama and N Florida are under a tornado watch. We contribute what we can.

Toronto got 3” of snow.

21 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 5:58:17pm

re: #11 Charles Johnson

There are now 12 articles at Pamela Geller’s hate site ranting and spewing hate at the Great Neck Synagogue. She’s in fine form tonight.

Oh she has blocked Babushka and disappeared herself from the Derp List.

FREE SPEACH 4 PAMZ but not 4 Teh Jewicidal Jewhadi Kapoz!!11!!

22 Stanley Sea  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 5:58:58pm

re: #16 Decatur Deb

S Alabama and N Florida are under a tornado watch. We contribute what we can.

re: #20 Vicious Babushka

Toronto got 3” of snow.

I passed a rather large brush fire on the freeway. CalFire there.

23 Stanley Sea  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 6:05:17pm

Wow, the RW is jumping on the evils of a college education. Group think in action.

Sister Sarah is exaulting her daughter’s graduation from hair school. NTTAWWT, but….

24 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 6:14:30pm

re: #23 Stanley Sea

Wow, the RW is jumping on the evils of a college education. Group think in action.

Sister Sarah is exaulting her daughter’s graduation from hair school. NTTAWWT, but….

My sister became an aesthetician. She’s doing extremely well now, she even has a winter home in Colorado.

Mind you she married a rich guy.

25 Stanley Sea  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 6:18:47pm

re: #24 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

My sister became an aesthetician. She’s doing extremely well now, she even has a winter home in Colorado.

Mind you she married a rich guy.

I know I overstepped with that comment. Read it more that SS used her kid to rail against the liberal arts on her FB.

All work is good work. All school is good school. I’m just thinking Beck, now Palin..

26 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 6:22:32pm

re: #15 Amory Blaine

I like Prime, but none of my streaming devices or smart TV’s support it. I don’t know if any streaming device supports it.

I have a Jailbroken Apple TV2 that plays Prime videos. Install XBMC with the Amazon add on.

27 Single-handed sailor  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 6:28:17pm

Interesting, Rick Warren’s son bought an unregistered gun off the Internet to commit suicide.

28 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 6:32:25pm

re: #27 Single-handed sailor

Interesting, Rick Warren’s son bought an unregistered gun off the Internet to commit suicide.

Orange County Sheriff’s spokesman Jim Amormino said Thursday that the gun’s serial number was scratched off.

It’s illegal in California to buy a gun without a background check and purchasers are supposed to register their firearms. Defacing a gun’s serial number is a federal offense.

The seller is fucked.

29 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 6:32:42pm

re: #11 Charles Johnson

There are now 12 articles at Pamela Geller’s hate site ranting and spewing hate at the Great Neck Synagogue. She’s in fine form tonight.

Would it not be better for you to simply ignore Geller and let her hate herself into oblivion rather than keeping constant tabs on her?

30 Stanley Sea  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 6:33:56pm

re: #27 Single-handed sailor

Interesting, Rick Warren’s son bought an unregistered gun off the Internet to commit suicide.

Wow. I was wondering. Doubt his family condoned the gun. Suicide will happen regardless, but having a gun only makes it that much easier.

31 Charles Johnson  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 6:34:44pm

re: #29 Eclectic Cyborg

Would it not be better for you to simply ignore Geller and let her hate herself into oblivion rather than keeping constant tabs on her?

“Hating herself into oblivion” doesn’t seem to be working.

32 Stanley Sea  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 6:35:21pm

re: #28 goddamnedfrank

The seller is fucked.

Can they find him? Prob. So where do you buy guns on the Internet? Not Craigslist. eBay? Gun shops websites?

33 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 6:38:39pm

re: #29 Eclectic Cyborg

Would it not be better for you to simply ignore Geller and let her hate herself into oblivion rather than keeping constant tabs on her?

Her hate is rubbing off on other people. When the Great Neck synagogue dropped her like a hot potato, a member of my community (who should know better!) stepped in and offered his place. I’m like all WTF dude. The only excuse I can make up is that maybe he’s just clueless and doesn’t know how toxic she is, and maybe he was brow beaten by wingnut members.

34 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 6:39:42pm

re: #31 Charles Johnson

“Hating herself into oblivion” doesn’t seem to be working.

You know I stared thinking the same thing moments after I posted that first comment.

35 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 6:41:18pm

re: #33 Vicious Babushka

Her hate is rubbing off on other people. When the Great Neck synagogue dropped her like a hot potato, a member of my community (who should know better!) stepped in and offered his place. I’m like all WTF dude. The only excuse I can make up is that maybe he’s just clueless and doesn’t know how toxic she is, and maybe he was brow beaten by wingnut members.

Pardon my ignorance but I wouldn’t think many Jews would be wingnuts.

36 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 6:42:46pm

re: #32 Stanley Sea

Can they find him? Prob. So where do you buy guns on the Internet? Not Craigslist. eBay? Gun shops websites?

I don’t think ebay allows anything that is gun related, including empty cartridge cases.

37 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 6:43:29pm

re: #35 Eclectic Cyborg

Pardon my ignorance but I wouldn’t think many Jews would be wingnuts.

Sadly that is not true. I even used to be one. :(

38 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 6:46:57pm

re: #32 Stanley Sea

Can they find him? Prob. So where do you buy guns on the Internet? Not Craigslist. eBay? Gun shops websites?

Down there? Texas Arms List probably. Basically want ads for private transactions & between two adults, 21 & over, in Texas it’s perfectly legal. Even if a background check had been required, it would probably not mattered as I doubt he was ever adjudicated as being legally incompetent or a danger to himself or others.

Finally, just as an aside, there is no such thing as an unregistered gun in Texas as non are registered due to the paranoia of segments of the nations population.

While the seller may well feel guilt over enabling someone’s suicide I am not aware of any law he would have broken so long as he did not know the buyers intent.

39 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 6:49:36pm

re: #37 Vicious Babushka

Sadly that is not true. I even used to be one. :(

That is what I suspected (not about you specifically but the other)

40 Stanley Sea  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 6:52:57pm

re: #38 William Barnett-Lewis

Down there? Texas Arms List probably. Basically want ads for private transactions & between two adults, 21 & over, in Texas it’s perfectly legal. Even if a background check had been required, it would probably not mattered as I doubt he was ever adjudicated as being legally incompetent or a danger to himself or others.

Finally, just as an aside, there is no such thing as an unregistered gun in Texas as non are registered due to the paranoia of segments of the nations population.

While the seller may well feel guilt over enabling someone’s suicide I am not aware of any law he would have broken so long as he did not know the buyers intent.

Southern California. Orange County. Not Texas.

But where do individuals post their want/sell ads?

41 engineer cat  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 6:53:25pm

re: #32 Stanley Sea

Can they find him? Prob. So where do you buy guns on the Internet? Not Craigslist. eBay? Gun shops websites?

“buying guns on the internet” could be as low tech as an exchange of emails

however, lots of evidence about the transaction should be on the son’s computer, unless, that is, he took the trouble to delete it. even then, since windows doesn’t delete the bits of a file on the disk just because you’ve ‘deleted’ it, a lot of the information is probably still recoverable

42 stabby  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 6:56:30pm

re: #35 Eclectic Cyborg

Pardon my ignorance but I wouldn’t think many Jews would be wingnuts.

I think they have their own forms of wingnuts.
I used to hang at a British blog full of right wingers many of them Jewish.

They’re all fans of Fox News, and have less religious-fanatic sorts of reasons for believing that Global Warming is a worldwide hoax..

43 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 6:57:51pm

re: #42 stabby

I think they have their own forms of wingnuts.
I used to hang at a British blog full of right wingers many of them Jewish.

They’re all fans of Fox News, and have less religious-fanatic sorts of reasons for believing that Global Warming is a worldwide hoax..

Harry’s Place?

44 stabby  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 6:58:22pm

re: #43 Vicious Babushka

yes

45 engineer cat  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 7:00:03pm

re: #35 Eclectic Cyborg

Pardon my ignorance but I wouldn’t think many Jews would be wingnuts.

i have relatives who have managed to become wingnuts

what caused this is still a mystery to me, altho it seems to have something to do with the jdl

46 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 7:03:21pm

re: #40 Stanley Sea

Southern California. Orange County. Not Texas.

But where do individuals post their want/sell ads?

My mistake - I thought his church was in Austin.

Calguns possibly then. Or if done illegally, any of the thousands of boards like the one we’re on now. Make a “friend”, drop a pm, meet someplace later, deed is done.

47 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 7:04:03pm

re: #32 Stanley Sea

Can they find him? Prob. So where do you buy guns on the Internet? Not Craigslist. eBay? Gun shops websites?

I don’t know, World of Warcraft? No FFL owner interested in keeping their license would touch a gun with the serial number ground off. That shit is straight Plutonium.

48 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 7:08:14pm

re: #38 William Barnett-Lewis

While the seller may well feel guilt over enabling someone’s suicide I am not aware of any law he would have broken so long as he did not know the buyers intent.

Serial number was ground down, a felony violation of 1968 Gun Control Act for both seller and buyer.

49 engineer cat  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 7:09:52pm

re: #47 goddamnedfrank

I don’t know, World of Warcraft? No FFL owner interested in keeping their license would touch a gun with the serial number ground off. That shit is straight Plutonium.

i would imagine that this fact alone would compel a serious investigation

50 Stanley Sea  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 7:11:09pm

re: #46 William Barnett-Lewis

My mistake - I thought his church was in Austin.

Calguns possibly then. Or if done illegally, any of the thousands of boards like the one we’re on now. Make a “friend”, drop a pm, meet someplace later, deed is done.

Gotcha. So I wonder if pastor Rick is forgiving before the hammer of the law drops.

51 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 7:11:43pm

re: #48 goddamnedfrank

Serial number was ground down, a felony violation of 1968 Gun Control Act for both seller and buyer.

Is that what was meant up thread about “unregistered”? The other question is to be sure if there really was one to grind off - the 1968 law was the first time serials were required by law and many old & inexpensive firearms never had a serial number.

52 Stanley Sea  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 7:11:58pm

re: #50 Stanley Sea

Gotcha. So I wonder if pastor Rick is forgiving before the hammer of the law drops.

He’d be a great new advocate against straw sales. It is what it is.

53 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 7:13:53pm

re: #44 stabby

yes

Used to post there, but stopped going there more than a year ago. Not a flounce, I just lost interest.

54 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 7:16:01pm

re: #46 William Barnett-Lewis

My mistake - I thought his church was in Austin.

Calguns possibly then. Or if done illegally, any of the thousands of boards like the one we’re on now. Make a “friend”, drop a pm, meet someplace later, deed is done.

California still requires an FFL to do the transfer, and even though Warren probably would have passed a background check the numberless gun would have gotten them both thrown in jail.

re: #51 William Barnett-Lewis

Is that what was meant up thread about “unregistered”? The other question is to be sure if there really was one to grind off - the 1968 law was the first time serials were required by law and many old & inexpensive firearms never had a serial number.

This was according the OC Sheriff:

Orange County Sheriff’s spokesman Jim Amormino said Thursday that the gun’s serial number was scratched off.

55 stabby  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 7:18:35pm

re: #53 Vicious Babushka

Their comment section got worse over the years. There’s no one left under the author line worth reading.

Mettaculture was great, but he doesn’t belong with those wingnuts

56 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 7:27:45pm

The wingnuts are all seething because there is “not enough” media coverage of the Gosnell trial.

Maybe there should be, then people will realize that if the wingnuts have their way and ban all abortion, there will be MOAR “facilities” like Gosnell’s.

57 Stanley Sea  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 7:35:48pm

re: #56 Vicious Babushka

The wingnuts are all seething because there is “not enough” media coverage of the Gosnell trial.

Maybe there should be, then people will realize that if the wingnuts have their way and ban all abortion, there will be MOAR “facilities” like Gosnell’s.

I heard a NPR story about a city councilwoman, or a state rep. Her cousin died there. There’s a reason these women went to him. He provided what they needed, not legal, safe or rare. It’s reality that this shit is going to continue if we block access.

58 Charles Johnson  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 7:36:50pm

re: #56 Vicious Babushka

The wingnuts are all seething because there is “not enough” media coverage of the Gosnell trial.

Maybe there should be, then people will realize that if the wingnuts have their way and ban all abortion, there will be MOAR “facilities” like Gosnell’s.

I’m trying to ignore all that, but you’re right - they’re pushing this story like rabid weasels, even though it’s actually years old.

59 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 7:37:12pm

re: #57 Stanley Sea

I regret that I have only one upding to give!

60 Stanley Sea  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 7:37:30pm

Oh, and I brussel sprouted polluted my apt once again.

61 Stanley Sea  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 7:38:17pm

re: #59 Dancing along the light of day

I regret that I have only one upding to give!

Smooch!

62 Charles Johnson  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 7:40:51pm

Gosnell was a straight-ahead criminal. He also ran a “pill mill” supplying Oxycontin and other crappy drugs. The National Abortion Federation denied him membership because of his sub-standard facilities.

People like this thrive on the edges of society precisely because of the anti-abortion right, who are slowly but surely drying up all legal and safe methods of abortion, in state after state.

People like Kermit Gosnell are the kind of abortion providers we’ll see a LOT more of, if the social conservative movement is allowed to prevail.

63 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 7:44:45pm

State and local officials in NY are now bickering over who’s responsible for the mistake that led to an erroneous gun confiscation:

Erie County Clerk Chris Jacobs says State Police admitted that an error was made in the matter, but troopers now say that’s not the case, and that the Clerk’s Office didn’t do its due diligence to positively identify the man before they removed any weapons.

…

Wednesday, State Police informed the Erie County Clerk’s Office that it made a mistake when it said Lewis was in violation of the state’s new gun law.

Jacobs says according to the law, due diligence must be done by the state first, not the county.

It’s hard to know who to believe. The State police now maintain that it was a case of mistaken identity, which makes sense. Also the County Clerk Jacobs is a Republican with a serious beef against the law. On the other hand this isn’t the first time that the State Police have screwed up with regards to the SAFE Act, having previously posted on their official website a page listing certain models of firearms as banned that were still in fact legal to purchase and own.

In the end it looks like both the local officials and the State Police are trying to pin the blame on the other party for failing to performing the kind of due diligence cross references necessary to make sure they were targeting the right guy.

64 Targetpractice  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 7:47:07pm

re: #62 Charles Johnson

Gosnell was a straight-ahead criminal. He also ran a “pill mill” supplying Oxycontin and other crappy drugs. The National Abortion Federation denied him membership because of his sub-standard facilities.

People like this thrive on the edges of society precisely because of the anti-abortion right, who are slowly but surely drying up all legal and safe methods of abortion, in state after state.

People like Kermit Gosnell are the kind of abortion providers we’ll see a LOT more of, if the social conservative movement is allowed to prevail.

Gosnell’s nothing new, in fact he’s just a sign of how the religious right’s crusade against legal abortion is bringing back the same sorts of evils that existed prior to RvW. But that’s not going to stop them from portraying him as the very thing they’re fighting against.

65 engineer cat  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 7:47:32pm

Gosnell

i’ve talked to anti-abortion-rights wingnuts over the years about this, and they mostly do not have a clue, not a clue, that dangerous substandard “practitioners” spring up when women’s reproductive services are restricted

they mostly assume that banning abortion is sufficient to eliminate it

66 Targetpractice  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 7:50:39pm

re: #65 engineer cat

Gosnell

i’ve talked to anti-abortion-rights wingnuts over the years about this, and they mostly do not have a clue, not a clue, that dangerous substandard “practitioners” spring up when women’s reproductive services are restricted

they mostly assume that banning abortion is sufficient to eliminate it

They live in a fantasy world where, if they don’t see it out in the open, then it’s not really happening.

67 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 7:51:48pm

re: #28 goddamnedfrank

The seller is fucked.

Up, back, and sideways. Selling a gun with the serial number removed will earn the seller a minimum of 5 years in federal prison, with no parole.

68 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 7:55:04pm

re: #66 Targetpractice

They live in a fantasy world where, if they don’t see it out in the open, then it’s not really happening.

It’s more like this:

Prohibition is an awful flop.

We like it.

It can’t stop what it’s meant to stop.

We like it.

It’s left a trail of graft and slime,

It’s filled our land with vice and crime,

It don’t prohibit worth a dime,

Nevertheless we’re for it.

69 engineer cat  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 7:55:11pm

re: #66 Targetpractice

They live in a fantasy world where, if they don’t see it out in the open, then it’s not really happening.

what is popular on tv these days? fantasy worlds: zombies shows, vampire shows, game of thrones, and wingnut alternate reality

70 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 7:56:02pm

re: #67 Dark_Falcon

Up, back, and sideways. Selling a gun with the serial number removed will earn the seller a minimum of 5 years in federal prison, with no parole.

Good

Should add another 5 for stupidity!

71 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 7:58:05pm

re: #69 engineer cat

what is popular on tv these days? fantasy worlds: zombies shows, vampire shows, game of thrones, and wingnut alternate reality

Worse

“Reality” shows !!

72 blueraven  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 7:58:20pm

So 31 senators voted against the Motion to Proceed on the background check bill.

Really, WTF?

Barrasso (R-WY)
Begich (D-AK)
Blunt (R-MO)
Boozman (R-AR)
Coats (R-IN)
Cochran (R-MS)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Crapo (R-ID)
Cruz (R-TX)
Enzi (R-WY)
Fischer (R-NE)
Grassley (R-IA)
Hatch (R-UT)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Johanns (R-NE)
Johnson (R-WI)
Lee (R-UT)
McConnell (R-KY)
Moran (R-KS)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Paul (R-KY)
Portman (R-OH)
Pryor (D-AR)
Risch (R-ID)
Roberts (R-KS)
Rubio (R-FL)
Scott (R-SC)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Thune (R-SD)
Vitter (R-LA)

73 Targetpractice  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 7:59:12pm

re: #72 blueraven

So 31 senators voted against the Motion to Proceed on the background check bill.

Really, WTF?

Barrasso (R-WY)
Begich (D-AK)
Blunt (R-MO)
Boozman (R-AR)
Coats (R-IN)
Cochran (R-MS)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Crapo (R-ID)
Cruz (R-TX)
Enzi (R-WY)
Fischer (R-NE)
Grassley (R-IA)
Hatch (R-UT)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Johanns (R-NE)
Johnson (R-WI)
Lee (R-UT)
McConnell (R-KY)
Moran (R-KS)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Paul (R-KY)
Portman (R-OH)
Pryor (D-AR)
Risch (R-ID)
Roberts (R-KS)
Rubio (R-FL)
Scott (R-SC)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Thune (R-SD)
Vitter (R-LA)

And if you check, you’ll probably find that each had an “A” rating from the NRA.

74 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 7:59:52pm

re: #72 blueraven

Lemme guess

Begich and Pryor are up for re-election in ‘14

75 blueraven  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 8:01:23pm

re: #74 sattv4u2

Lemme guess

Begich and Pryor are up for re-election in ‘14

Most likely. All 31 are assholes.

76 Stanley Sea  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 8:03:00pm

re: #72 blueraven

So 31 senators voted against the Motion to Proceed on the background check bill.

Really, WTF?

Barrasso (R-WY)
Begich (D-AK)
Blunt (R-MO)
Boozman (R-AR)
Coats (R-IN)
Cochran (R-MS)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Crapo (R-ID)
Cruz (R-TX)
Enzi (R-WY)
Fischer (R-NE)
Grassley (R-IA)
Hatch (R-UT)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Johanns (R-NE)
Johnson (R-WI)
Lee (R-UT)
McConnell (R-KY)
Moran (R-KS)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Paul (R-KY)
Portman (R-OH)
Pryor (D-AR)
Risch (R-ID)
Roberts (R-KS)
Rubio (R-FL)
Scott (R-SC)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Thune (R-SD)
Vitter (R-LA)

Alaska and Arkansas democrats. Guns over everything else states.

77 blueraven  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 8:06:20pm

re: #76 Stanley Sea

Alaska and Arkansas democrats. Guns over everything else states.

This was just a motion to debate the damn bill…not to vote on it.
They suck. The NRA sucks.

78 Stanley Sea  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 8:06:56pm

OK, some old movie version of Les Miserables on TCM. Checking it out. See y’all later.

79 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 8:11:08pm

It’s Raining
It’s Pouring
Tornado Warnings
Aren’t Boring!

80 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 8:11:56pm

re: #76 Stanley Sea

Alaska and Arkansas democrats. Guns over everything else states.

Actually, its more complicated than that for Arkansas, and is more about Pryor’s relatively weak electoral position. He can’t afford make enemies.

In Alaska, though, you’re right: The ‘R’ or ‘D’ doesn’t matter on gun issues: Alaska’s senators vote as the NRA instructs.

81 Stanley Sea  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 8:20:14pm

So, Mrs. Zimmerman wrote a letter.

82 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 8:21:58pm

re: #81 Stanley Sea

So, Mrs. Zimmerman wrote a letter.

Was her 1st name Scarlett??

83 Stanley Sea  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 8:24:31pm

re: #82 sattv4u2

Was her 1st name Scarlett??

We could find a parallel. Woe is me and all that.

I’m thinking GWTW.

84 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 8:25:52pm

Reebok gives rapper who thinks songs about rape are cool the boot:

Reebok said in a statement that it ‘holds our partners to a high standard and we expect them to live up to the values of our brand. Unfortunately, Rick Ross has failed to do so.’

Ross formally apologized for his lyrics on Rocko’s song U.O.E.N.O. in a tweet last week.

It came the same day a women’s group, UltraViolet, protested outside of one Reebok’s stores in Manhattan.

In Rocko’s song, the hip-hop heavyweight raps about giving a woman the drug MDMA, also known as ‘Molly,’ and having his way with her.

‘Put Molly all up in her champagne, she ain’t even know it, I took her home and I enjoyed that, she ain’t even know it,’ rapped the troubled star, born William Leonard Roberts II.

The song was released in January, but just recently began getting widespread notice.

In his apologetic tweet, Ross said his lyrics were misinterpreted. He said he doesn’t condone rape and apologized for lyrics that were ‘interpreted as rape.’

A week prior, he said in a radio interview that ‘there was a misunderstanding with the lyric’ and that he didn’t use the term ‘rape.

Good to know someone was made to pay a price for not taking date rape seriously.

85 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 8:26:56pm

re: #81 Stanley Sea

So, Mrs. Zimmerman wrote a letter.

This is in reference to the Zimmerman/Martin case, correct?

86 Stanley Sea  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 8:28:40pm

re: #85 Dark_Falcon

This is in reference to the Zimmerman/Martin case, correct?

Yep, Zims mom wrote a letter today. The anniversary of her sons arrest.

I will leave you with that. No energy to recount. Good night now!

87 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 8:29:58pm

re: #83 Stanley Sea

We could find a parallel. Woe is me and all that.

I’m thinking GWTW.

Close

Letter,,,, Scarlett!!

en.wikipedia.org

88 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 8:32:23pm

Big BOOMS outside

generators have kicked on

89 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 8:33:46pm

re: #86 Stanley Sea

Yep, Zims mom wrote a letter today. The anniversary of her sons arrest.

I will leave you with that. No energy to recount. Good night now!

Thank you for that. I really didn’t want to go there tonight.

90 Gus  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 8:46:30pm
91 Gus  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 8:46:47pm

In this greif stricken silence will there no longer return the cries and voice of truth.

92 Gus  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 8:52:47pm

Laal - Maulana (Jalib)

Youtube Video
93 sattv4u2  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 8:56:41pm

And on that note, the long not so quiet due to the thunder storms (and very rainy) drive home beckons

94 Gus  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 8:58:25pm

Operation Cyclone

Operation Cyclone was the code name for the United States Central Intelligence Agency program to arm and finance the Afghan mujahideen during the Soviet war in Afghanistan, 1979 to 1989. The program leaned heavily towards supporting militant Islamic groups that were favored by neighboring Pakistan, rather than other, less ideological Afghan resistance groups that had also been fighting the Marxist-oriented Democratic Republic of Afghanistan regime since before the Soviet intervention. Operation Cyclone was one of the longest and most expensive covert CIA operations ever undertaken;[1] funding began with $20–30 million per year in 1980 and rose to $630 million per year in 1987.[2] Funding continued after 1989 as the Mujahideen battled the forces of Mohammad Najibullah’s PDPA during the Civil war in Afghanistan (1989–1992).[3]

…

The program

A mujahideen resistance fighter shoots an SA-7, 1988.

On 3 July 1979, Carter signed a presidential finding authorizing funding for anticommunist guerrillas in Afghanistan.[2] Following the Soviet intervention in Afghanistan in December Operation Storm-333 and installation of a more pro-Soviet president, Babrak Karmal, Carter announced, “The Soviet invasion of Afghanistan is the greatest threat to peace since the Second World War”…

Laal - Dehshatgardi Murdabad (Death to Terrorism)

Youtube Video
95 Gus  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 9:07:24pm

Laal is a Marxist. I like this guy. Not afraid to speak out.

96 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 9:14:13pm

re: #95 Gus

Laal is a Marxist. I like this guy. Not afraid to speak out.

As are the poets he’s reciting in the first two videos, Faiz Ahmed Faiz and Habib Jalib. Both of whom were incredibly talented and remain resonant in translation. Neither man was a blind ideologue, though, and were strongly anti-authoritarian in stance, and had genuine compassion for the poor rather than revolutionary zeal for class struggle.

97 Gus  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 9:16:27pm

Laal: Fareeda

Youtube Video

When the Taliban attacked the shrines of Rahman Baba, Data Sahib, and Abdullah Ghazi Shah, slaughtering hundreds who had gathered for alms or to pray, Laal felt obligated to not only defend the progressive aspects of sufi thought but to discover them for ourselves. We see sufi’s as the rebels, the revolutionaries of their period.

The entire mode of production of the pre-capitalist period, and village life to this day, was built on the caste system. And this system of zaat and beraderi itself is premised upon marriage within the beraderi, that is, on endogamy. Patriarchy and control of women’s sexuality is the basis of the entire edifice.

In a word, the caste system relegates love or ishq to the most contemptible position. But that which was contemptible to the beraderis, became the battle cry of the sufis, Ishq became divine. Thus, Heer Varis Shah begins with the words: “Awal hamd khuda da vird kariyay, ishq kita su jag da mool mian, Pehlan aap hi rabb ne ishq kita, Te mashooq he nabi rasool mian.” How can love be a sin, if the worth of the world is love, if God is the first lover, if Muhammed is the first beloved.

Here is Laal’s tribute to one of the earliest rebels in this tradition, Ghulam Fareed of Pakpattan.

98 bws58  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 9:20:20pm

re: #13 Charles Johnson

Wow, Amazon Prime has all the seasons of the TV show Fringe at no charge. Always wanted to check it out.

Just a warning, it’s very addicting…I did seasons 1-4 over my vaccy in December on Prime so I could catch up to the current episodes before it finished

Prime videos can be watched on your PC through Amazon, as well as on the kindles and Playstation 3

99 Gus  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 9:31:50pm

re: #96 The Ghost of a Flea

As are the poets he’s reciting in the first two videos, Faiz Ahmed Faiz and Habib Jalib. Both of whom were incredibly talented and remain resonant in translation. Neither man was a blind ideologue, though, and were strongly anti-authoritarian in stance, and had genuine compassion for the poor rather than revolutionary zeal for class struggle.

Discovered by this Tweet:

100 Gus  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 9:33:23pm
101 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 9:39:31pm

re: #99 Gus

Discovered by this Tweet:

From a musical rather than a political angle, are you familiar with Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan? He’s from the same tradition of musical performance of ghazal an qawali, though of an older style and with more traditional arrangements. His stuff is epic, if you haven’t heard it.

Youtube Video
102 Gus  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 9:42:54pm

re: #101 The Ghost of a Flea

From a musical rather than a political angle, are you familiar with Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan? He’s from the same tradition of musical performance of ghazal an qawali, though of an older style and with more traditional arrangements. His stuff is epic, if you haven’t heard it.

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Think I’ve come across him before.

103 Amory Blaine  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 9:49:34pm

AS I SEE IT
RIP, the once-great state of Kansas

The Great State of Kansas passed away on March 31, 2013, after a long and difficult battle with extremism that became markedly more aggressive in 2010. The struggle left the state so weakened it could no longer fight against the relentless attacks by the fatal disease.

Kansas was born on Jan. 29, 1861.

The state is preceded in death by fair taxation, good highways, strong education, family farms, a good public parks and wildlife system, open government, neighborliness and belief in helping each other out, freely elected public servants, and political moderation.

Kansas is survived by widespread poverty, low-wage jobs, high property taxes, pollution, poorly educated children, out-migration and rural depopulation, foreign land and farm ownership, lobbyist-funded legislators, chronic mistreatment of the disabled, a maniacal hatred of government and children who dream of living anywhere else.

104 freetoken  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 10:08:31pm

I linked earlier today the Science dump of A. sediba papers.

Media outlets are still stumbling all over the evolution-specific conceptual framework that it takes to accept or understand what the studies are all about.

Examples:

AFP headline screams “Fossils uncover ‘weird’ chimp-human creature called Australopithecus sediba”, a headline which seems to imply the discovery of sediba is new (it’s not), that there are “chimp-human” creatures (it’s a phrase that is misleading at best, at least not without lots of caveats), that “creatures” is somehow different in substance than what you and me are (A. sediba is basically the same kind of living thing as we are), and so forth.

Ok, onto UPI: “Fossils suggest possible new candidate for human ancestor”, which is better but raises another whole misunderstanding - that of ancestry versus cousin-hood. The beings whose fossils are the subject of the studies may not, strictly speaking, be ancestors of humans today. What the Science papers discuss, among other things, is the physical similarities to modern and other archaic humans, in a hope of better fitting A. sediba into the family tree. I think it is important to realize that the studies published today raise more questions (which is indeed one of their goals.) At least the UPI headline uses “suggests” which does plant the idea that the questions are ongoing.

Meanwhile, over at the LA Times, we get one of the hot-button words tossed into a headline: Evidence points toward solving evolutionary ‘missing link’ . Any time the phrase “missing link” is raised the eyebrows of readers ought to follow. Anyone who has had to deal with creationists understands how “missing links” is a fundamental mis-understanding of the evolutionary process. Every offspring who reproduces is a “missing link”.

Finally, CNN went a bit more artistic: “Ancient humanlike skeleton is ‘weird mosaic’” “Humanlike”, which probably ought to be written as “human-like”, sounds nice and sensational without being too far afield. “Weird mosaic” I blame on scientists who are careless with their words, but I can understand how a news outlet would just pick up any catchy phrase that shows up in an interview or essay.

Communicating science - it’s harder than one thinks. In this case half the audience thinks evolution is a hoax or lie from satan, and the other half may not have the background to understand why the differences between Australopithecus sediba and Australopithecus afarensis is something over which physical anthropologists argue, and thus any news article is going to require some background material, and that means a long article, and that turns some of the potential readers off from reading the article in the first place.

105 Gus  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 10:15:15pm
107 Gus  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 10:25:31pm
108 Gus  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 10:27:20pm

ustream.tv

109 Gus  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 10:28:37pm

Here it comes.

110 freetoken  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 10:30:56pm

re: #107 Gus

I totally forgot that Kerry is now SoS, until I read your post. For some reason I find him totally forgettable.

111 Gus  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 10:32:07pm

re: #110 freetoken

I totally forgot that Kerry is now SoS, until I read your post. For some reason I find him totally forgettable.

Hippie! //

112 freetoken  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 10:33:04pm

re: #111 Gus

He’s married to the ketchup woman, I seem vaguely to remember.

113 Single-handed sailor  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 10:44:58pm

deleted, replied to wrong post somehow.

114 Gus  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 10:53:53pm

re: #112 freetoken

He’s married to the ketchup woman, I seem vaguely to remember.

Youtube Video
115 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 11:06:06pm

re: #104 freetoken

If it can’t be boiled down to a 140-character tweet, it is not newsworthy.

116 Kragar  Thu, Apr 11, 2013 11:27:44pm

3 teens held in sex assault of girl who killed herself

Three teenage boys were arrested Thursday in Santa Clara County on suspicion that they sexually assaulted a 15-year-old girl who committed suicide eight days after she was attacked last fall.

The boys, all 16, were taken into custody at two different high schools and booked into juvenile hall in connection with the attack on Audrie Pott, who hanged herself, authorites told Northern California media organizations.

Robert Allard, an attorney who represents the victim’s family, said students shared photos of the attack on their cellphones. Pott posted on her Facebook page that her life was “ruined” and that she was enduring the “worst day ever” shortly before she took her life, Allard said.

118 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 12:23:10am

re: #117 Kragar

In Just Three Months, States Proposed An Astonishing 694 Provisions About Reproduction

There is a perverse logic to this: just ask Rick Santorum, the GOp standard bearer when it comes to social isues: he believes that America’s economic decline is related to its moral decline.

His argument is that single mothers are economically disadvantaged, as are children born out of wedlock, and that the answer is to make sure that more children are born to people who are married.

119 freetoken  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 12:47:35am

Pop music trivia - 1946 and one song was so popular (because it was derived from the title of a hit movie) it made it onto the charts at least 4 times that year by different artists:

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MP3 Audio
MP3 Audio

and the one I prefer:

MP3 Audio
120 freetoken  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 12:52:13am
“What good is a song
if the words just don’t belong”

Worth repeating.

121 freetoken  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 12:55:17am
“Two lips must insist
on two more to be kissed”
122 Kragar  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 1:20:53am

Suspicious package containing explosive material sent to Arizona Sheriff Arpaio

A suspicious package found to contain explosive material and addressed to Maricopa County, Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpaio was intercepted by authorities in Flagstaff Thursday.

The box was addressed to Arpaio at his Phoenix headquarters, Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office officials said in a statement obtained by Fox News.

Authorities in Flagstaff, a city in Northern Arizona, x-rayed the box and determined it contained an explosive device. A bomb squad was deployed and neutralized it.

Flagstaff Police, the FBI and U.S. Postal inspectors are working the case and authorities there say they already have investigative leads.

123 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 1:23:16am

re: #122 Kragar

Suspicious package containing explosive material sent to Arizona Sheriff Arpaio

Thank you, asshole, for allowing Arpaio to present himself a vitim of “liberal hate”…

124 freetoken  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 2:14:12am

re: #123 Sol Berdinowitz

Thank you, asshole, for allowing Arpaio to present himself a vitim of “liberal hate”…

There is plenty of stupid to go around.

125 freetoken  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 2:17:36am
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126 Tigger2  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 3:40:03am

re: #123 Sol Berdinowitz

Thank you, asshole, for allowing Arpaio to present himself a vitim of “liberal hate”…

He probably sent it to himself. /

127 freetoken  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 3:58:49am

Horowitz:

MP3 Audio
128 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 4:03:16am

re: #126 Tigger2

He probably sent it to himself. /

Would not put it past him, he is that big of a bastard. But he cetainly has made enough enemies out there that he would not need to…

129 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 5:21:23am

I am trying to set up my new smartphone. Having a problem connecting to Yahoo! mail. OK I’ll try Gmail. Hmmm. Keep getting timeouts.

130 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 5:45:36am

I had to call t-mobile to activate the SIM chip. That should help. :)

131 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 6:01:39am

I can see two monkeys from my vantage point in the hammock on the veranda where I’m typing this. One of them has a banana. Dammit, I want a banana.

132 Bulworth  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 6:04:10am

re: #117 Kragar

Today in Less Government…

133 Bulworth  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 6:08:08am

re: #105 Gus

Well, CA is starting to get it’s budget balanced and government back into working order.

I’m not sure how long that can be allowed to continue. VDH for Gov!!//

134 Mattand  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 6:38:15am

re: #131 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

I can see two monkeys from my vantage point in the hammock on the veranda where I’m typing this. One of them has a banana. Dammit, I want a banana.

I now have a hankering for chilled monkey brains.

(Look it up…)

135 Lidane  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 7:15:41am
136 BongCrodny  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 7:25:14am

re: #118 Sol Berdinowitz

There is a perverse logic to this: just ask Rick Santorum, the GOp standard bearer when it comes to social isues: he believes that America’s economic decline is related to its moral decline.

His argument is that single mothers are economically disadvantaged, as are children born out of wedlock, and that the answer is to make sure that more children are born to people who are married.

I always find it interesting that the Republicans want to take us back to “Happy Days” without giving any credit whatsoever to the party that was in charge of Congres for most years during the so-called “but America was GOOD, then” era.

137 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 7:26:01am

re: #131 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

I can see two monkeys from my vantage point in the hammock on the veranda where I’m typing this. One of them has a banana. Dammit, I want a banana.

The monkeys on the one island off Malaysia would wait for people to temporarily walk away from their breakfast table on the veranda, and then swoop down out of the nearby palm trees and steal toast.

Our bungalow was a few hundred yards away and I saw a monkey walking by the one morning carrying a piece of toast in its mouth. So they also did breakfast on the run.

138 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 7:28:36am

re: #136 BongCrodny

I always find it interesting that the Republicans want to take us back to “Happy Days” without giving any credit whatsoever to the party that was in charge of Congres for most years during the so-called “but America was GOOD, then” era.

It’s all rose-colored glasses. Maybe some aspects of society were better then, but others were dismal, especially if you were black, gay or female.

139 BongCrodny  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 7:35:12am

re: #131 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

re: #137 Feline Fearless Leader


Well, since we’re doing monkey stories this morning…

When I was in the Navy, I was stationed on an ammo ship. So when we went on our Westpac cruise, whenever we pulled into port we usually weren’t allowed to sit at the same table with the big kids — they usually made us dock in some remote out-of-the-way place.

In the Phillipines, we were assigned to dock in the equivalent of Hooterville — we had to take a bus ride from our dock to the base.

The local monkeys down there, apparently had learned the concept of throwing rocks at passing vehicles — we’d be riding in the bus, and every so often there would be a ping or a thud where a rock had bounced off the glass or sides or top of the bus.

The powers that be on the base *strongly* cautioned against any pedestrian traffic along that rode. I can only imagine coming back from a night on the town, missing the last bus and having to walk back, only to be confronted by a small horde of chattering monkeys all ready to go Shirley Jackson on your ass.

140 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 7:36:19am

re: #134 Mattand

I now have a hankering for chilled monkey brains.

(Look it up…)

Everyone’s seen Temple of Doom.

141 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 7:39:46am

Good morning lizards!

142 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 7:43:21am

re: #139 BongCrodny

re: #137 Feline Fearless Leader

Well, since we’re doing monkey stories this morning…

When I was in the Navy, I was stationed on an ammo ship. So when we went on our Westpac cruise, whenever we pulled into port we usually weren’t allowed to sit at the same table with the big kids — they usually made us dock in some remote out-of-the-way place.

In the Phillipines, we were assigned to dock in the equivalent of Hooterville — we had to take a bus ride from our dock to the base.

The local monkeys down there, apparently had learned the concept of throwing rocks at passing vehicles — we’d be riding in the bus, and every so often there would be a ping or a thud where a rock had bounced off the glass or sides or top of the bus.

The powers that be on the base *strongly* cautioned against any pedestrian traffic along that rode. I can only imagine coming back from a night on the town, missing the last bus and having to walk back, only to be confronted by a small horde of chattering monkeys all ready to go Shirley Jackson on your ass.

The USN was afraid of you - and thus parked you out of the way!
;)

Monkeys are also sources of all sorts of interesting folklore. There’s also a couple of South American tales on where monkeys came from and why they can be so hostile to humans.*

* - I had a book in my youth of various South American folklore tales. The one about the origin of monkeys is only vaguely remembered, but it’s one of those trickster/utopian things where a wise man comes along, starts carving monkeys out of wood to serve as servants for the villagers, and then things go south from there.

143 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 7:48:16am

A belated good morning to the Lizards.

Sloppy and windy day outside. Raining with lots of wind gusts swirling around to invert umbrellas and get you soaking wet. Would have much preferred putting the legs up by a nice fire and drinking tea instead of coming into work. No fire, no tea, get this this spreadsheet ready instead.

:p

Also have to go out in this slop and collect items for cooking. Have a get together tomorrow and promised the host I’d make and take a bacon-wrapped meatloaf.

144 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 7:49:36am

*FACE PALM*

145 kirkspencer  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 7:50:55am

re: #143 Feline Fearless Leader

A belated good morning to the Lizards.

Sloppy and windy day outside. Raining with lots of wind gusts swirling around to invert umbrellas and get you soaking wet. Would have much preferred putting the legs up by a nice fire and drinking tea instead of coming into work. No fire, no tea, get this this spreadsheet ready instead.

:p

Also have to go out in this slop and collect items for cooking. Have a get together tomorrow and promised the host I’d make and take a bacon-wrapped meatloaf.

re the bacon-wrapped meatloaf, I recently had the idea of adding a quarter cup of maple syrup to the loaf. It went fairly well with the bacon, but I think if I do it again I’ll use it as a thin glaze on the outside of the bacon itself.

146 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 7:51:38am

re: #144 Vicious Babushka

*FACE PALM*

Please spare us, we all know that RWNJs cannot tell the difference between weather and climate.

147 BongCrodny  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 7:55:09am

re: #138 Sol Berdinowitz

It’s all rose-colored glasses. Maybe some aspects of society were better then, but others were dismal, especially if you were black, gay or female.

Oh, absolutely. I’m not sugar-coating anything.

My only point was that if you think things were so awesome “back in the day,” you’d think giving *some* credit to who ran things would be part and parcel of the deal.

148 Bulworth  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 7:56:41am

re: #144 Vicious Babushka

I was hoping Bryan would be having a butthurt over Delaware’s plans to legalize gay marriage.

149 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 8:07:32am

re: #145 kirkspencer

re the bacon-wrapped meatloaf, I recently had the idea of adding a quarter cup of maple syrup to the loaf. It went fairly well with the bacon, but I think if I do it again I’ll use it as a thin glaze on the outside of the bacon itself.

That would make a lot of sense as a glaze. The recipe has instructions for some sort of ketchup-based glaze, but I usually use a spicy steak sauce or Jamaican Pick-a-Pepper sauce for the glaze in order to get a nice spicy-sweet coating.

150 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 8:08:08am

re: #147 BongCrodny

Oh, absolutely. I’m not sugar-coating anything.

My only point was that if you think things were so awesome “back in the day,” you’d think giving *some* credit to who ran things would be part and parcel of the deal.

“We could use a man like Herbert Hoover again.”

151 iossarian  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 8:20:21am

OK - odd “cool story bro” time. So I live in a pretty liberal neighborhood, what with working in higher ed and having a lot of college professor-types around. In this neighborhood lives a couple with a child in the same grade as one of mine, so we know them fairly well. Have hung out with them - they tend to express liberal opinions on topics of interest. The usual.

Anyway - we’re at this party and I’m eating Brazil nuts. Then the guy out of this couple strolls up and says (verbatim): “Are you enjoying the (racial slur redacted) toes?”

I do a double take, but only because I can’t believe he actually said this.

On seeing my surprise, he says: “That’s what we call ‘em: (racial slur repeated) toes.”

Does anyone else find this odd?

152 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 8:21:03am

Posted without comment:

Thatcher Critics Make ‘Ding Dong’ No 1; Should BBC Play It?

The death this week of former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher has provoked may words of praise — and many celebrations by those who did not admire the Iron Lady.

Among the things her critics have done is push “Ding Dong The Witch Is Dead,” from The Wizard of Oz, into the No. 1 spot on the U.K. singles chart. That, as The Associated Press writes, has created an issue for BBC Radio 1:

Should Radio 1 play the song this weekend on its Official Chart show, which as the name implies rounds up the hottest songs each week.

npr.org

153 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 8:23:16am

re: #151 iossarian

That’s what they were called when I was young in the 60s & 70s. I haven’t heard anyone use that name with a straight face in a good 20 years though.

Upper Midwest, small town, perhaps 100 African-Americas in a population of 40,000.

155 iossarian  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 8:23:36am

re: #152 William Barnett-Lewis

Posted without comment:

Thatcher Critics Make ‘Ding Dong’ No 1; Should BBC Play It?

npr.org

I love the smell of ethical quandaries in the morning!

156 Stanley Sea  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 8:24:45am

re: #151 iossarian

I’ve HEARD them called that before - Florida - but I’d never ever say it. He’s a jerk thinking it was ok.

157 iossarian  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 8:25:12am

re: #153 William Barnett-Lewis

That’s what they were called when I was young in the 60s & 70s. I haven’t heard anyone use that name with a straight face in a good 20 years though.

Upper Midwest, small town, perhaps 100 African-Americas in a population of 40,000.

That’s what was really odd about the whole situation. I can well imagine that this guy’s parents may have used the term when he was a kid, but surely you’d have figured out by now that this is not a clever thing to say at a party where there are a bunch of people you don’t know *that* well. And these people seem pretty normal and well-adjusted.

It was a bit of a head-scratcher.

158 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 8:26:45am

re: #65 engineer cat

Gosnell

i’ve talked to anti-abortion-rights wingnuts over the years about this, and they mostly do not have a clue, not a clue, that dangerous substandard “practitioners” spring up when women’s reproductive services are restricted

they mostly assume that banning abortion is sufficient to eliminate it

But if you ban GUNZ teh CRIMINALZ will always HAV GUNZ!1!

159 Kronocide  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 8:27:55am

re: #1 Charles Johnson

Very slow news day today.

THANKS OBAMA

160 Kronocide  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 8:30:44am

re: #154 NJDhockeyfan

Man Gets 7 Years for Stealing Obama’s Teleprompter

Nice Headline Fu

161 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 8:33:10am

re: #157 iossarian

That’s what was really odd about the whole situation. I can well imagine that this guy’s parents may have used the term when he was a kid, but surely you’d have figured out by now that this is not a clever thing to say at a party where there are a bunch of people you don’t know *that* well. And these people seem pretty normal and well-adjusted.

It was a bit of a head-scratcher.

Never heard Brazil nuts called that. But the whole situation sounds like a brain-fart with the mouth outrunning the brain.

162 iossarian  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 8:33:34am

Re: the whole Thatcher thing. I don’t personally celebrate the death of anyone (or at least, I try not to). However, the fact is that the policies espoused by Thatcher and Reagan can be shown fairly unambiguously to lead to the premature deaths of vulnerable people in society. In fact this is happening right now in the UK and (to a lesser extent perhaps) the US, what with at-risk people being kicked off various welfare programs.

So, rather than worrying about people celebrating her death, or indeed sparing too much thought about her passing at all, I would rather focus on what we can change to better help those people.

163 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 8:39:23am

re: #152 William Barnett-Lewis

Posted without comment:

Thatcher Critics Make ‘Ding Dong’ No 1; Should BBC Play It?

npr.org

I remember that a lot of people went out of their way to prevent the Sex Pistos’ “God Save the Queen” from being no 1 during the diamond Jubilee in 1977…

The BBC should just play it without comment and let people decide for themselves who it is intended for…

164 Mattand  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 8:43:24am

re: #154 NJDhockeyfan

Man Gets 7 Years for Stealing Obama’s Teleprompter

Please tell me you’re not one of those rocket scientiests who thinks that Obama can’t give a speech without a teleprompter, despite the fact most GOP presidents used them.

165 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 8:45:38am

re: #164 Mattand

Please tell me you’re not one of those rocket scientiests who thinks that Obama can’t give a speech without a teleprompter, despite the fact most GOP presidents used them.

To reparaphrase Joan Walsh “When people take Obama to task for doing things that were okay for any other white President, there is only one reason I can see”

166 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 8:48:54am

re: #164 Mattand

Please tell me you’re not one of those rocket scientiests who thinks that Obama can’t give a speech without a teleprompter, despite the fact most GOP presidents used them.

Naa. It’s an NBC story and I thought the headline was funny.

167 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 8:49:31am

Happy friday fellow Lizards.

168 iossarian  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 8:51:11am

re: #166 NJDhockeyfan

Naa. It’s an NBC story and I thought the headline was funny.

I will admit it gave me a bit of a chuckle. Obama has also himself parodied the whole teleprompter thing.

At this point it’s just a bit of a joke, which is maybe the best outcome for a bogus Faux News nontroversy designed to attack the first black president of the US.

169 Lidane  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 8:54:25am

Circular firing squad, part eleventy:

Family Research Council says ‘don’t send a dime’ to GOP

Tony Perkins says religious conservatives should stop donating to the Republican Party until it clarifies its position on social issues.

The president of the Family Research Council, a top religious political group, said Thursday night that conservative activists should withhold their political donations to Republicans until the party decides where it will stand on social issues.

Tony Perkins, in an email sent to his supporters, criticized the Republican National Committee over a report released last month that suggested the party should reconsider its messaging on same-sex marriage to appeal to younger voters.

“Until the RNC and the other national Republican organizations grow a backbone and start defending core principles, don’t send them a dime of your hard-earned money,” Perkins said in the email, a copy of which was obtained by CNN.

“If you want to invest in the political process, and I encourage you to do so, give directly to candidates who reflect your values and organizations you trust — like FRC Action.”

170 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 8:55:19am

re: #168 iossarian

I will admit it gave me a bit of a chuckle. Obama has also himself parodied the whole teleprompter thing.

At this point it’s just a bit of a joke, which is maybe the best outcome for a bogus Faux News nontroversy designed to attack the first black president of the US.

People cant let something like that upset them. I think even the president has a sense of humor.

171 wrenchwench  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 8:55:48am

re: #157 iossarian

That’s what was really odd about the whole situation. I can well imagine that this guy’s parents may have used the term when he was a kid, but surely you’d have figured out by now that this is not a clever thing to say at a party where there are a bunch of people you don’t know *that* well. And these people seem pretty normal and well-adjusted.

It was a bit of a head-scratcher.

He must have been trying to get a reaction from you. Why else would he comment at all on what you were eating? I was shocked when a friend referred to those nuts by that name in the 60’s.

172 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 8:56:25am

Looks like GOSNELL is the new BENGHAZI.

I will spare Sol (& the rest of you) the tsunami of DERP that is flooding Twitter.

173 Lidane  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 8:56:42am

Yeah, this is totally helpful:

174 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 9:01:22am

re: #169 Lidane

Circular firing squad, part eleventy:

Family Research Council says ‘don’t send a dime’ to GOP

This is going to call for a serious rethinking of GOP strategy: they can lose the fundamentalists or lose the middle.

Either way, they lose the majority, but which approach gives them the best chance of recovering?

175 iossarian  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 9:01:32am

re: #171 wrenchwench

He must have been trying to get a reaction from you. Why else would he comment at all on what you were eating? I was shocked when a friend referred to those nuts by that name in the 60’s.

Maybe (him trying to get a reaction). Or it could just have been an alcohol-induced brain fart. Mostly it was just odd, and vaguely thread-worthy on a slow news day.

176 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 9:02:18am

re: #172 Vicious Babushka

Looks like GOSNELL is the new BENGHAZI.

I will spare Sol (& the rest of you) the tsunami of DERP that is flooding Twitter.

I just heard about the Gosnell trial the other day and I read a little bit of the testimony. It’s pretty tough to read.

177 calochortus  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 9:06:12am

re: #176 NJDhockeyfan

Yes, but the idea that he was a typical abortionist and that liberals are fine with his actions to the point where the MSM is suppressing coverage is where the derp comes in.

178 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 9:06:53am

re: #134 Mattand

I now have a hankering for chilled monkey brains.

(Look it up…)

Everyone knows the only way to eat monkey brains is like sashimi, you clamp their necks into the table and crack their head open and eat them while they are still alive…

179 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 9:09:18am

re: #178 Sol Berdinowitz

Everyone knows the only way to eat monkey brains is like sashimi, you clamp their necks into the table and crack their head open and eat them while they are still alive…

You complain about DERP from Twitter and then you post THIS???? Dude srsly//

180 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 9:09:40am

re: #177 calochortus

Yes, but the idea that he was a typical abortionist and that liberals are fine with his actions to the point where the MSM is suppressing coverage is where the derp comes in.

He’s definitely not a typical abortionist but the MSM should be covering this. Why aren’t they? The Jodi Arias murder trial is in the news every day.

181 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 9:10:51am

re: #147 BongCrodny

Oh, absolutely. I’m not sugar-coating anything.

My only point was that if you think things were so awesome “back in the day,” you’d think giving *some* credit to who ran things would be part and parcel of the deal.

You are asking for some sort of logical consistency. It is all about ideological blovinating.

182 calochortus  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 9:15:59am

re: #180 NJDhockeyfan

He’s definitely not a typical abortionist but the MSM should be covering this. Why aren’t they? The Jodi Arias murder trial is in the news every day.

Either I’m not paying attention or the Jodi Arias trial isn’t being covered significantly on the news I’m watching (broadcast.) The name was vaguely familiar, but I had to look her up on Google. Perhaps cable news is all over it?

183 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 9:16:02am

re: #180 NJDhockeyfan

He’s definitely not a typical abortionist but the MSM should be covering this. Why aren’t they? The Jodi Arias murder trial is in the news every day.

Most of his victims were poor women, many of them minorities. In general, you get a lot less attention for those sorts of victims than for the wealthy or white people. Arias killed a middle-class white guy. Sadly, that may be a large amount of the reason.

Do you have a theory?

184 Bulworth  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 9:18:32am

re: #172 Vicious Babushka

Wow, have we forgotten the tyranny of Beyonce’s Cuba trip already? //

185 Decatur Deb  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 9:19:05am

re: #183 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Most of his victims were poor women, many of them minorities. In general, you get a lot less attention for those sorts of victims than for the wealthy or white people. Arias killed a middle-class white guy. Sadly, that may be a large amount of the reason.

Do you have a theory?

Why over-elaborate? One case is kinky sex and crime, the other reproduction and crime. No contest.

186 Decatur Deb  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 9:24:43am

re: #151 iossarian

OK - odd “cool story bro” time. So I live in a pretty liberal neighborhood, what with working in higher ed and having a lot of college professor-types around. In this neighborhood lives a couple with a child in the same grade as one of mine, so we know them fairly well. Have hung out with them - they tend to express liberal opinions on topics of interest. The usual.

Anyway - we’re at this party and I’m eating Brazil nuts. Then the guy out of this couple strolls up and says (verbatim): “Are you enjoying the (racial slur redacted) toes?”

I do a double take, but only because I can’t believe he actually said this.

On seeing my surprise, he says: “That’s what we call ‘em: (racial slur repeated) toes.”

Does anyone else find this odd?

Odd that the name was used for Brazil nuts. That was an almost universal name for a kind of chocolate penny candy in the 1950s-60s South.

187 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 9:25:11am

re: #185 Decatur Deb

Why over-elaborate? One case is kinky sex and crime, the other reproduction and crime. No contest.

I wouldn’t say the Gosnell trial is about reproduction rights. It’s about murder, the horrors the discovered in his office, and the failure of the system that let him get away with this for so long. Maybe this is too creepy for the MSM to cover.

188 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 9:25:41am

re: #185 Decatur Deb

Why over-elaborate? One case is kinky sex and crime, the other reproduction and crime. No contest.

That’s sadly a good point too. Also, most people don’t worry about dying from an abortion gone wrong; the idea of being killed by a crazed love one strikes a lot more chords.

189 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 9:26:40am
190 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 9:26:52am

re: #187 NJDhockeyfan

I wouldn’t say the Gosnell trial is about reproduction rights. It’s about murder, the horrors the discovered in his office, and the failure of the system that let him get away with this for so long. Maybe this is too creepy for the MSM to cover.

There’s also that there really isn’t much question what went on, but in the Arias trial, there’s an actual question of whether it was self-defense or murder. Not much of a question, in my estimation, but still a question.

191 Decatur Deb  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 9:27:43am

re: #187 NJDhockeyfan

I wouldn’t say the Gosnell trial is about reproduction rights. It’s about murder, the horrors the discovered in his office, and the failure of the system that let him get away with this for so long. Maybe this is too creepy for the MSM to cover.

Botched incompetent abortions lack the marketable ‘Nancy Grace’ attraction of kinky Mormon sex. It’s not a media conspiracy.

192 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 9:28:17am

re: #188 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

That’s sadly a good point too. Also, most people don’t worry about dying from an abortion gone wrong; the idea of being killed by a crazed love one strikes a lot more chords.

They are creating a lot of interest in the Jodi Arias murder. After it’s over the made-for-TV movies will be coming out and the networks will be cashing in. It works every time.

193 wrenchwench  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 9:28:48am

re: #187 NJDhockeyfan

I wouldn’t say the Gosnell trial is about reproduction rights. It’s about murder, the horrors the discovered in his office, and the failure of the system that let him get away with this for so long. Maybe this is too creepy for the MSM to cover.

The failure of the system that let him get away with this for so long has everything to do with reproductive rights. Start with the Hyde Amendment.

194 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 9:29:44am

re: #151 iossarian

That’s what my grandfather used to call them. Of course as little kids we thought it was funny because “Pop-pop used a bad word” but now, yeah, not a good name.

195 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 9:31:31am

re: #172 Alouette

My father posted a link to Malkin on facebook going off on how the liberal media won’t cover it.

196 Decatur Deb  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 9:33:04am

re: #193 wrenchwench

The failure of the system that let him get away with this for so long has everything to do with reproductive rights. Start with the Hyde Amendment.

In the scheme of things, the Gosnell case reminds me more of the Atlanta house-of-horrors undertaker case than anything else—longterm professional abuses slipping under the radar to horrific effect.

197 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 9:33:23am

re: #195 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

My father posted a link to Malkin on facebook going off on how the liberal media won’t cover it.

I have found a bunch of MSM links, it’s front page at philly.com. The farther away you get from Philadelphia, the less interest there is.

198 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 9:34:42am

re: #196 Decatur Deb

In the scheme of things, the Gosnell case reminds me more of the Atlanta house-of-horrors undertaker case than anything else—longterm professional abuses slipping under the radar to horrific effect.

I have already said this but it bears repeating: if the “liberal media” covered this story more extensively, it would be to highlight what would become the norm if the wingnuts succeed in overturning Row v. Wade.

199 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 9:35:13am

I think it is the logic of people who want guns and the market to be unregulated, therefore pro-choice people must want abortions to go unregulated.

That is not the case with any reasonable person, there are limits to how and when abortions are to be performed, peole like Gosnell need to be shut down.

The alternatives are worse: no inspection, and bloody coathangers.

200 Decatur Deb  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 9:35:16am

re: #195 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

My father posted a link to Malkin on facebook going off on how the liberal media won’t cover it.

Liberal and conservative media will cover anything that sells Viagra to their identified audience.

201 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 9:35:19am

Democratic strategist Kirsten Powers who is pro-choice just wrote a column about it.

Philadelphia abortion clinic horror: Column

Infant beheadings. Severed baby feet in jars. A child screaming after it was delivered alive during an abortion procedure. Haven’t heard about these sickening accusations?

It’s not your fault. Since the murder trial of Pennsylvania abortion doctor Kermit Gosnell began March 18, there has been precious little coverage of the case that should be on every news show and front page. The revolting revelations of Gosnell’s former staff, who have been testifying to what they witnessed and did during late-term abortions, should shock anyone with a heart.

NBC-10 Philadelphia reported that, Stephen Massof, a former Gosnell worker, “described how he snipped the spinal cords of babies, calling it, ‘literally a beheading. It is separating the brain from the body.” One former worker, Adrienne Moton, testified that Gosnell taught her his “snipping” technique to use on infants born alive.

Massof, who, like other witnesses, has himself pleaded guilty to serious crimes, testified “It would rain fetuses. Fetuses and blood all over the place.” Here is the headline the Associated Press put on a story about his testimony that he saw 100 babies born and then snipped: “Staffer describes chaos at PA abortion clinic.”

“Chaos” isn’t really the story here. Butchering babies that were already born and were older than the state’s 24-week limit for abortions is the story. There is a reason the late Democratic senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan called this procedure infanticide.

Planned Parenthood recently claimed that the possibility of infants surviving late-term abortions was “highly unusual.” The Gosnell case suggests otherwise.

Regardless of such quibbles, about whether Gosnell was killing the infants one second after they left the womb instead of partially inside or completely inside the womb — as in a routine late-term abortion — is merely a matter of geography. That one is murder and the other is a legal procedure is morally irreconcilable.

A Lexis-Nexis search shows none of the news shows on the three major national television networks has mentioned the Gosnell trial in the last three months. The exception is when Wall Street Journal columnist Peggy Noonan hijacked a segment on Meet the Press meant to foment outrage over an anti-abortion rights law in some backward red state.

The Washington Post has not published original reporting on this during the trial and The New York Times saw fit to run one original story on A-17 on the trial’s first day. They’ve been silent ever since, despite headline-worthy testimony.

Let me state the obvious. This should be front page news. When Rush Limbaugh attacked Sandra Fluke, there was non-stop media hysteria. The venerable NBC Nightly News’ Brian Williams intoned, “A firestorm of outrage from women after a crude tirade from Rush Limbaugh,” as he teased a segment on the brouhaha. Yet, accusations of babies having their heads severed — a major human rights story if there ever was one — doesn’t make the cut.

You don’t have to oppose abortion rights to find late-term abortion abhorrent or to find the Gosnell trial eminently newsworthy. This is not about being “pro-choice” or “pro-life.” It’s about basic human rights.

The deafening silence of too much of the media, once a force for justice in America, is a disgrace.

She is absolutely right.

202 Decatur Deb  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 9:38:22am

re: #201 NJDhockeyfan

Democratic strategist Kirsten Powers who is pro-choice just wrote a column about it.

Philadelphia abortion clinic horror: Column

She is absolutely right.

Not getting the writer’s point. What is the press supposed to do, organize a lynch mob? It’s in the courts, and the word has spread to old men in Alabama.

203 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 9:42:01am

re: #202 Decatur Deb

Not getting the writers point. What is the press supposed to do, organize a lynch mob? It’s in the courts, and the word has spread to old men in Alabama.

I think she want’s them to just cover it. It definitely is newsworthy and is an important story. I bet there have been more stories about Beyonce and Jay-Z written the past 2 days than there have been about the Gosnell trial since it began.

204 Decatur Deb  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 9:43:10am

re: #203 NJDhockeyfan

I think she want’s them to just cover it. It definitely is newsworthy and is an important story. I bet there have been more stories about Beyonce and Jay-Z written the past 2 days than there have been about the Gosnell trial since it began.

Beyonce and Jay-Z sell more feminine hygiene products.

205 Mattand  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 9:44:08am

re: #197 Vicious Babushka

I have found a bunch of MSM links, it’s front page at philly.com. The farther away you get from Philadelphia, the less interest there is.

To be honest, people rarely mention it around here, if they’re even aware of it. Given the horrorific nature of everything involved and how heavily Catholic this area is, that’s actually a bit surprising.

IMO, it’s a primer on what’s gonna happen if the conservative wet dream of banning abortion goes through. Right now, this is an exception. If Republicans get their way, it’ll be the standard.

206 calochortus  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 9:44:59am

re: #201 NJDhockeyfan

Democratic strategist Kirsten Powers who is pro-choice just wrote a column about it.

Philadelphia abortion clinic horror: Column

She is absolutely right.

What makes you say she is pro-choice? She is generally liberal, but I believe she is against abortion.

207 wrenchwench  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 9:45:40am

re: #201 NJDhockeyfan

Democratic strategist Kirsten Powers who is pro-choice just wrote a column about it.

Philadelphia abortion clinic horror: Column

She is absolutely right.

‘Democratic strategist’ and Fox News political analyst.

She is not ‘absolutely right’, in my opinion.

“Chaos” isn’t really the story here. Butchering babies that were already born and were older than the state’s 24-week limit for abortions is the story. There is a reason the late Democratic senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan called this procedure infanticide.

Planned Parenthood recently claimed that the possibility of infants surviving late-term abortions was “highly unusual.” The Gosnell case suggests otherwise.

Regardless of such quibbles, about whether Gosnell was killing the infants one second after they left the womb instead of partially inside or completely inside the womb — as in a routine late-term abortion — is merely a matter of geography. That one is murder and the other is a legal procedure is morally irreconcilable.

Late term abortions are of two varieties: medically necessary, and the result of delay in getting an early-term abortion. Medically necessary abortions can happen at any point in the pregnancy. To lump them in with the second type is cruel to everyone who suffers through them. To ignore the reasons for the second type is cruel also. If abortions were as available as every other legal medical procedure, Gosnell would not have been so busy with late-term abortions.

208 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 9:48:03am

re: #203 NJDhockeyfan

I think she want’s them to just cover it. It definitely is newsworthy and is an important story. I bet there have been more stories about Beyonce and Jay-Z written the past 2 days than there have been about the Gosnell trial since it began.

The list of things the media should cover and doesn’t, is huge. For example, global warming should be covered rather than Beyonce. The racism in our justice system should be covered. The unprecedented obstructionism of the GOP should be covered. Instead, we get Beyonce and Jay-Z.

This isn’t out of the ordinary. The media sucks. It sucks in explainable ways.

Doesn’t Powers work for Fox?

209 iossarian  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 9:48:57am

If you outlaw abortions, only outlaws will perform abortions.

With the kind of results apparent in this case.

210 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 9:49:40am

re: #206 calochortus

What makes you say she is pro-choice? She is generally liberal, but I believe she is against abortion.

Yeah, five seconds of research shows that she’s anti-abortion, not pro-choice.

NJD, can you explain why you called her pro-choice?

211 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 9:52:28am

re: #208 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

The list of things the media should cover and doesn’t, is huge. For example, global warming should be covered rather than Beyonce. The racism in our justice system should be covered. The unprecedented obstructionism of the GOP should be covered. Instead, we get Beyonce and Jay-Z.

This isn’t out of the ordinary. The media sucks. It sucks in explainable ways.

Doesn’t Powers work for Fox?

Yes, and the New York Post, the Daily Beast, USA Today, Elle, the New York Observer, Salon, and the Wall Street Journal. Why?

212 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 9:53:02am

re: #210 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Yeah, five seconds of research shows that she’s anti-abortion, not pro-choice.

NJD, can you explain why you called her pro-choice?

Because I saw her say that on TV one day. Did she change her mind?

213 wrenchwench  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 9:53:21am

re: #211 NJDhockeyfan

Yes, and the New York Post, the Daily Beast, USA Today, Elle, the New York Observer, Salon, and the Wall Street Journal. Why?

Because you identified her as a Democratic strategist. Why?

214 Lidane  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 9:54:25am
215 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 9:54:46am

DERP

216 Dr. Matt  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 9:55:16am

Kirsten Powers is a Fox “democrat”, i.e., she’ll go out of her way to throw the Democrats and liberals under the bus so she can suck up to O’Racist and Insean Vannity. She’s a f*cking hack.

217 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 9:55:47am

re: #213 wrenchwench

Because you identified her as a Democratic strategist. Why?

That’s what she’s referred to.

218 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 9:55:58am

re: #214 Lidane

Anti-gay pundit claims “homofacists” will force Christians to wear Nazi-like ID patches

That’s just projection on Bryan’s part. I’m sure he would love to require Pink Triangles so that people with faulty gaydar can avoid Teh Ghey Cootiez.

219 Mattand  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 9:56:21am

re: #211 NJDhockeyfan

Yes, and the New York Post, the Daily Beast, USA Today, Elle, the New York Observer, Salon, and the Wall Street Journal. Why?

There are a few exceptions, but most people who work for Fox are conservative shills. As such, they want abortion made illegal. Because women having sex for non-reproductive reasons makes baby Jesus and George Washington stab hobos.

220 Bulworth  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 9:56:50am

re: #215 Vicious Babushka

Is the ‘less government’ conservatives say they want?

221 Decatur Deb  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 9:57:25am

re: #218 Vicious Babushka

That’s just projection on Bryan’s part. I’m sure he would love to require Pink Triangles so that people with faulty gaydar can avoid Teh Ghey Cootiez.

At least the patches will be fabulous.

222 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 9:58:12am

re: #219 Mattand

There are a few exceptions, but most people who work for Fox are conservative shills. As such, they want abortion made illegal. Because women having sex for non-reproductive reasons makes baby Jesus and George Washington stab hobos.

OK, so is there anything in her article about the lack of coverage of the Gosnell trial that you disagree with?

223 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 9:58:39am

re: #212 NJDhockeyfan

Because I saw her say that on TV one day. Did she change her mind?

That must have been a long, long time ago. Again, 5 seconds of research. Next time, do it, hey? Why not?

224 wrenchwench  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 9:58:52am

re: #217 NJDhockeyfan

That’s what she’s referred to.

Where? The article you linked uses this:

Kirsten Powers is a member of USA TODAY’s Board of Contributors, a Fox News political analyst and columnist for The Daily Beast.

225 calochortus  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 9:59:09am

re: #212 NJDhockeyfan

Because I saw her say that on TV one day. Did she change her mind?

Saying she’s pro-choice?
She’s a bit coy about it, but apparently she was a bit more upfront here Scroll down to “The Vent-I Come Out”

226 Mattand  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 9:59:10am

re: #222 NJDhockeyfan

OK, so is there anything in her article about the lack of coverage of the Gosnell trial that you disagree with?

Lemme go read it first. Yeah, I should have, but I trust the judgement of most of the commenters around here.

227 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 9:59:17am

re: #223 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

That must have been a long, long time ago. Again, 5 seconds of research. Next time, do it, hey? Why not?

OK, sorry about that.

228 Lidane  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 10:00:00am
229 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 10:00:29am

re: #227 NJDhockeyfan

OK, sorry about that.

Do you get the irony of you complaining about the shitty job the media does while doing an amazingly shitty job of research and presenting stuff yourself? Seriously, you are just goddamn awful about this. I’ve called you out on it over and over and you appear to just not give a shit.

230 skylarkingtomfoolery  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 10:00:38am

re: #214 Lidane

Yeah, this came up at yesterday’s meeting of the Dayton Chapter of the Jack-Booted Homos. No firm plans just yet, as we are debating what symbol that should be. We do all agree that whatever symbol is chosen, it should be fabulous!

231 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 10:01:42am

re: #228 Lidane

Bummer. I didn’t know he was still alive. RIP!

232 wrenchwench  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 10:02:03am

re: #222 NJDhockeyfan

OK, so is there anything in her article about the lack of coverage of the Gosnell trial that you disagree with?

I disagreed with it. No comment?

233 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 10:02:21am

re: #229 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Do you get the irony of you complaining about the shitty job the media does while doing an amazingly shitty job of research and presenting stuff yourself? Seriously, you are just goddamn awful about this. I’ve called you out on it over and over and you appear to just not give a shit.

Do you think the MSM is doing a fine job covering that trial then?

234 Decatur Deb  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 10:02:28am

re: #228 Lidane

Greatest loss of the week. RIP.

235 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 10:02:31am

THE GAY AGENDA:

8am: work
12pm: lunch
1pm: more work
6pm: dinner
8pm: drinks, maybe a movie
11pm: reading and then bed.

236 calochortus  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 10:03:55am

re: #235 Sol Berdinowitz

THE GAY AGENDA:

8am: work
12pm: lunch
1pm: more work
6pm: dinner
8pm: drinks, maybe a movie
11pm: reading

and then bed

And there’s your problem//

237 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 10:05:25am

re: #236 calochortus

And there’s your problem//

separate beds, like Bert and Ernie…

238 Lidane  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 10:05:46am
239 calochortus  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 10:05:53am

re: #237 Sol Berdinowitz

And there’s your problem//

separate beds, like Bert and Ernie…

Well, alright then!

240 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 10:06:19am

BBL…work is calling.

241 Kragar  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 10:07:33am

Keyes: Satan Using Gays on TV to Destroy America

242 Bulworth  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 10:08:06am

re: #238 Lidane

I wonder if Mississippi is going to expand Medicaid under the ACA…

243 Mattand  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 10:08:53am

re: #226 Mattand

Lemme go read it first. Yeah, I should have, but I trust the judgement of most of the commenters around here.

Honestly, it reads like someone who is really anti-abortion and is hoping this will be the final nail in the coffin.

I will spot you it that it is newsworthy, although, again, I think Powers has an anti-abortion agenda she’s not-so-subtley pushing. The fact that she’s clearly butthurt for Rush Limbaugh getting roasted over Sandra Fluke is telling.

As for Powers being a Democratic strategist: funny how that was left off of her by-line, but the fact she works for Fox isn’t.

If she’s a Dem, she’s a Blue Dog, for sure. Along the lines of “As a Democrat, I support President Obama except for all of his policies and I didn’t vote for him.”

244 Bulworth  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 10:09:04am

re: #241 Kragar

Has Alan Keyes stopped destroying America yet?

245 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 10:09:33am

re: #241 Kragar

Keyes: Satan Using Gays on TV to Destroy America

God used Bill Cosby to much the same ends, look what it has gotten us…

246 Lidane  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 10:14:35am

re: #222 NJDhockeyfan

OK, so is there anything in her article about the lack of coverage of the Gosnell trial that you disagree with?

247 kirkspencer  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 10:14:47am

Kirsten Powers holds generally liberal positions. She served in Clinton’s administration. She’d been part of the democratic party machine in a variety of positions to include being Cuomo’s press secretary, Virginia Fields’s communications director, and press secretary for Fowler when he ran as DNC chair. She supports immigration reform (path to citizenship), the ACA (Obamacare), gun control, and gay marriage. She was against the Iraq war, wants Guantanamo closed, and opposes the death penalty.

She is, however, anti-abortion.

She’s an excellent test (IMO) of the question as to whether Democrats are truly as tolerant as they claim - will a single issue be sufficient to see them tossed out of the tent? I disagree with her last position, but do not decry her as a DINO.

248 calochortus  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 10:15:09am

re: #243 Mattand

Honestly, it reads like someone who is really anti-abortion and is hoping this will be the final nail in the coffin.
…

Yep,

Planned Parenthood recently claimed that the possibility of infants surviving late-term abortions was “highly unusual.” The Gosnell case suggests otherwise.

without any facts to back it up and “matter of geography” portion of the next quote

Regardless of such quibbles, about whether Gosnell was killing the infants one second after they left the womb instead of partially inside or completely inside the womb — as in a routine late-term abortion — is merely a matter of geography. That one is murder and the other is a legal procedure is morally irreconcilable.

are both flashing warning signs as to her opinion on abortion.

249 calochortus  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 10:17:52am

re: #247 kirkspencer

I don’t have any problem with her being a registered Democrat. She is entitled to hold the opinions she holds. The arguments here are with the statement that she is pro-choice (she’s not) and whether we agree with her opinion (most commenters don’t.)

250 Lidane  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 10:18:29am

BTW, it’s worth noting that Gosnell was being covered years ago. It was just being ignored:

251 kirkspencer  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 10:21:28am

re: #249 calochortus

I don’t have any problem with her being a registered Democrat. She is entitled to hold the opinions she holds. The arguments here are with the statement that she is pro-choice (she’s not) and whether we agree with her opinion (most commenters don’t.)

actually there was some dissension in regard to calling her a democratic strategist (she is), liberal, or democrat. She is not pro-choice, in that he was wrong. But the remainder are true.

252 Mattand  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 10:22:08am

re: #247 kirkspencer

re: #248 calochortus

I think I have to walk back my Blue Dog Democrat charge. I think she does clearly have it in for abortion though, based on that editorial.

I do find it odd that her Democratic backstory was ignored in her byline.

EDIT: Overlooked her running back to Christianity after supposedly identifying as atheist for a while. Explains a lot.

253 Kragar  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 10:22:28am

Kid Rock: I’m ‘fucking embarrassed to be a Republican’

Rock singer Kid Rock has said that he supports equal marriage, and has spoken out to say that he was “fucking embarrassed to be a Republican”, because of some party policies.

Reports from last week of a lawsuit against a catering company suggested that Lady Gaga had turned down $1 million (£650,000), to perform at the Republican National Convention in August, which Kid Rock performed at.

In the interview with Rolling Stone, he said: “Athletes and musicians make astronomical amounts of money,” and said that, against party policy, he supports equal marriage, and abortion rights.

“People get paid $100 million (£65 million) to throw a baseball! Shouldn’t we all take less and pass some of that money onto others? Think about firefighters, teachers and policemen. We should celebrate people that are intellectually smart and trying to make this world a better place,” he continued.

Speaking of paperless ticketing, which he wants to introduce to his concerts, to avoid having the richest, or most influential people being the ones with access to the best seats, he said he was annoyed that GOP lawmakers had passed laws in several states banning the practice.

“That’s one of the times I’m fucking embarrassed to be a Republican,” he said. “It’s fucking Republican lawmakers passing those laws, you dumbasses. They already did it in New York and they’re trying to do it in Michigan. I’ve even called some of those guys to try and stop it.”

Might be time to reconsider that whole “Republican” thing, Kid.

254 Kragar  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 10:24:40am

10 Totally Kind Things Social Conservatives Have Said About Gays

With Republican Party leaders pushing a plan for the GOP to broaden its appeal by softening its stance on social issues, a group of leading social conservatives sent a letter to RNC Chairman Reince Priebus promising an exodus from the party if it stops opposing gay marriage.

But in the letter, the signatories — who included Eagle Forum founder Phyllis Schlafly, former presidential candidate Gary Bauer, and Focus on the Family’s James Dobson — also expressed indignation that anyone would suggest they haven’t been nice to gays — or “homosexuals,” as they say.

“We deeply resent the insinuation that we have treated homosexuals unkindly personally,” they wrote.

So, of course, we had to dig through the archives to find some of the uniquely kind things these conservative activists have said about gays and lesbians over the years.

255 Lidane  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 10:25:03am
256 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 10:25:24am

re: #255 Lidane

FAIL

257 Kragar  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 10:27:22am

re: #256 Varek Raith

Column In Top Conservative Publication Says U.S. Should Help Assad Fight Syrian Rebels

Daniel Pipes’ basic argument is that the influx of jihadis into rebel ranks means that the United States shouldn’t want either side to win definitively. Since it looks like Assad is losing, we should help him out until a bloody stalemate returns — a suggestion he proposes “as a humanitarian”:

I am changing my policy recommendation from neutrality to something that causes me, as a humanitarian and decades-long foe of the Assad dynasty, to pause before writing: Western governments should support the malign dictatorship of Bashar Assad.

Here is my logic for this reluctant suggestion: Evil forces pose less danger to us when they make war on each other. This (1) keeps them focused locally and (2) prevents either one from emerging victorious (and thereby posing a yet-greater danger). Western powers should guide enemies to stalemate by helping whichever side is losing, so as to prolong the conflict.

258 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 10:29:16am

I haven’t given up my guns but I also haven’t been shooting recently. This is not because evil liberal genocide conspirators have threatened me with their machetes and pitchforks, but because I don’t have enough ammunition. This, in turn, is because I refuse either to get up early and wait in line with a bunch of nuts to grab a box or two or to pay the exorbitant prices demanded online.
There will be great joy when this bubble finally bursts. No, I don’t plan to stock up from liquidated hoards (though some do), but to gloat when these hoarder fools lose their homes, and even their pickups, because they used the payment and mortgage money to add to their already vast stocks of 5.56 ammo.

259 Bulworth  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 10:29:17am

re: #252 Mattand

Don’t know much about her, but I’ll give her the benefit of the doubt, for now. But if her byline starts showing up along with “Democrat” Pat Caddell’s in the latter’s once or so quarterly WSJ op-ed’s calling for PBO to resign, work with the GOP to repeal the ACA, or to oppose renewing the Voting Rights Act or some other such nonsense, then that’s another matter.

260 Decatur Deb  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 10:30:27am

re: #247 kirkspencer

…snip

She’s an excellent test (IMO) of the question as to whether Democrats are truly as tolerant as they claim - will a single issue be sufficient to see them tossed out of the tent? I disagree with her last position, but do not decry her as a DINO.

We each have our own tent, but share coffee in the morning, and wine or grass around the campfire at night.

261 Bulworth  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 10:30:34am
the signatories — who included Eagle Forum founder Phyllis Schlafly, former presidential candidate Gary Bauer, and Focus on the Family’s James Dobson

Wait, I think I see a problem….

262 jamesfirecat  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 10:30:41am

re: #257 Kragar

Column In Top Conservative Publication Says U.S. Should Help Assad Fight Syrian Rebels

Because nothing suggest humanitarianism like trying to infinitely prolong a bloody war because you figure what willl happen when it ends will be worse…


In the name of the God Emperor I just read a 40k book with that plot!

263 Kragar  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 10:31:14am

Klingenschmitt: Allowing Openly Gay NFL Players is ‘a Demonic Use of the Sporting Industry’

Charisma news editor Jennifer LeClaire is not the only one concerned about the prospect of openly gay athletes playing in the NFL, as “Doctor Chaps” Gordon Klingenschmitt is also sounding the alarm, warning that if NFL players come out as gay, youth coaches will start “recruiting children into the homosexual lifestyle and punishing Christians because they voice an opposition to that sort of thing in the locker room.”

“I think the Devil is afoot here,” Klingenschmitt warned, saying it “is a demonic use of the sporting industry”:

They said the same thing about the two point conversion.
/

264 Kragar  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 10:34:10am

re: #262 jamesfirecat

Because nothing suggest humanitarianism like trying to infinitely prolong a bloody war because you figure what willl happen when it ends will be worse…

In the name of the God Emperor I just read a 40k book with that plot!

Kryptman’s Gamble:

“Kryptman observed the war between Tyranids and Orks on the world of Tesla Prime, where these two enemies of the Imperium locked each other in a long and bloody conflict. Seeing this as a way to slow or halt Leviathan without further loss of human life, Kryptman and a Deathwatch team loyal to him embarked on a dangerous mission on the planet of Carpathia to capture a brood of live genestealers. At the cost of many Deathwatch lives, the genestealers were placed in a stasis field and then unleashed in the space hulk Perdition’s Flame. The Deathwatch and Kryptman then detonated a nearby moon, sending the hulk hurtling into the Ork Empire of Octarius. The genestealers quickly infected the Orks that attempted to raid the space hulk, causing the infection to flourish and quickly reach all corners of Octavius. Soon the psychic signature of the genestealers was strong enough to attract the second tendril of Hive Fleet Leviathan, causing it to veer away from Imperial space. Leviathan is currently engaged in a protracted war with the Orks.[3]”

265 calochortus  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 10:35:34am

re: #255 Lidane

Because I would ever believe anything Daniel Pipes has to say?

266 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 10:36:44am

re: #263 Kragar

Klingenschmitt: Allowing Openly Gay NFL Players is ‘a Demonic Use of the Sporting Industry’

They said the same thing about the two point conversion.
/

High school and college teams went to the two point conversion back in the fifties. JFK was elected soon after, and we eventually had riots in the cities, hippies in the woods, and wanton bra burners on Madison Avenue. The NFL was obviously the last bastion of American manhood and now it is gone too.
/

267 jamesfirecat  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 10:38:46am

re: #264 Kragar

Kryptman’s Gamble:

“Kryptman observed the war between Tyranids and Orks on the world of Tesla Prime, where these two enemies of the Imperium locked each other in a long and bloody conflict. Seeing this as a way to slow or halt Leviathan without further loss of human life, Kryptman and a Deathwatch team loyal to him embarked on a dangerous mission on the planet of Carpathia to capture a brood of live genestealers. At the cost of many Deathwatch lives, the genestealers were placed in a stasis field and then unleashed in the space hulk Perdition’s Flame. The Deathwatch and Kryptman then detonated a nearby moon, sending the hulk hurtling into the Ork Empire of Octarius. The genestealers quickly infected the Orks that attempted to raid the space hulk, causing the infection to flourish and quickly reach all corners of Octavius. Soon the psychic signature of the genestealers was strong enough to attract the second tendril of Hive Fleet Leviathan, causing it to veer away from Imperial space. Leviathan is currently engaged in a protracted war with the Orks.[3]”

Nope, the book I read was called Firecast and


Spoiler

Was all about a group of tau that had lost their Etherial and were now being lead by a water cast and a group of humans fighting over a planet that needed to be secured before either side could push further into the system. The Tau and humans had set things up however so that conditions on the planet were so horrible that the imperial troops would desert around the same rate they arrived so imperial loyalists and deserters with tau backing would keep fighting over the planet forever sparing both sides the need to expend resources on a full space campaign….


Also I am for fail with spoiler tags what did I do wrong with them?
See what I mean?

269 kirkspencer  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 10:40:54am

re: #267 jamesfirecat

Nope, the book I read was called Firecast and

Spoiler

[snip by Kirk] [/Spolier]

Also I am for fail with spoiler tags what did I do wrong with them?
See what I mean?

typo. It’s /spoiler, not /spolier

[spoiler][edited to delete error and to add: "and it appears it’s also case sensitive."]


[[edited a second time to add: aaand it’s sensitive to first and last occurrence.]]

270 calochortus  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 10:42:23am

Time to go actually accomplish something.

271 Kragar  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 10:44:33am

re: #267 jamesfirecat

Bloody fucking Tau.

272 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 12, 2013 10:44:37am

Daniel Pipes.
Shocked!!!
Wait…


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