Horrifying Video: Fertilizer Plant Explosion Near Waco, Texas

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Explosions rocked a fertilizer plant in West, Texas, Wednesday evening as firefighters were battling a fire, causing multiple injuries, authorities said.

Dani Moore, dispatcher with the Texas Department of Pubic Safety, said she did not know how many were injured or the extent of their injuries.

“The fertilizer plant was on fire. Firefighters were on the scene. There was an explosion … followed by a second explosion,” she said.

She said there were multiple damages to structures and vehicles. She said she had no information on the cause of the blasts or fire.

wfaa.com reported at least 10 structures were on fire, including a school which is next door to the plant. An emergency triage center was set up at a high school football field.

The TV station said on its website that a shock wave was felt in parts of North Texas.

The Waco Tribune reported injuries to several people including firefighters.

The fertilizer plant is about 20 miles north of Waco and just off Interstate 35.

kwtx.com reported one of the nearby buildings damaged was a nursing home, and state troopers transported some of the injured to hospitals in patrol cars.

It also said the explosion knocked out electrical power to part of the community.

Hillcrest Baptist Medical Center in Waco, was receiving some of the injured. Answering the phone at the hospital, Karen Jackson said she could provide no information on the number of injured or the extent.

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494 comments
1 efuseakay  Wed, Apr 17, 2013 8:58:52pm

Why there’s a school so close to that place really boggles my mind.

2 Kid A  Wed, Apr 17, 2013 8:59:12pm
3 Kid A  Wed, Apr 17, 2013 8:59:56pm

This is about 130 miles from me. Jesus…

4 HappyWarrior  Wed, Apr 17, 2013 9:00:32pm

Can we at least have one good day? Too much sorrow in this world of ours.

5 Kid A  Wed, Apr 17, 2013 9:00:35pm
6 erik_t  Wed, Apr 17, 2013 9:00:36pm

(repost)

re: #2 austin_blue

Sorry to go off-topic up front, but this is a nasty situation in a small town in Texas…

Unlike notable horribawful errors in recent reporting, I expect this number to roughly hold. Industrial explosions are nothing new, and authorities will be relatively well-briefed on the quantities of material involved and the proximity of residents to the epicenter.

Which sucks out loud. There’s no reason for an event like this to happen. Ammonium nitrate is known to be dangerous, enough so that Wikipedia actually has a page titled, I shit y’all not, “ammonium nitrate disasters”. It is absolutely inexcusable that there are people living literally within several hundred feet of such a plant.

And the hospital too, ferchrissakes. Jesus.

7 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, Apr 17, 2013 9:05:05pm

My stomach hurts.

8 Targetpractice  Wed, Apr 17, 2013 9:05:27pm

re: #6 erik_t

(repost)

Unlike notable horribawful errors in recent reporting, I expect this number to roughly hold. Industrial explosions are nothing new, and authorities will be relatively well-briefed on the quantities of material involved and the proximity of residents to the epicenter.

Which sucks out loud. There’s no reason for an event like this to happen. Ammonium nitrate is known to be dangerous, enough so that Wikipedia actually has a page titled, I shit y’all not, “ammonium nitrate disasters”. It is absolutely inexcusable that there are people living literally within several hundred feet of such a plant.

And the hospital too, ferchrissakes. Jesus.

Nothing new or different. Major manufacturer moves in, developers move in shortly after to start building houses like mad to provide convenient housing for the new workers, public works spring up to provide for the new community, and then disaster strikes with everybody wondering what sort of idiot buys a house or builds a school/hospital/government building so close to a potential bomb.

9 erik_t  Wed, Apr 17, 2013 9:08:13pm

re: #8 Targetpractice

Many of them undoubtedly had no clue as to the danger across the road, because any reasonable citizen would conclude their due-diligence phase by assuming the local authorities would not allow houses to be built three hundred feet from an explosives manufacturer.

Invisible hand free market something something.

10 Gus  Wed, Apr 17, 2013 9:10:16pm

“A lot of people won’t be here tomorrow.”
— Mayor, West, Texas

11 Targetpractice  Wed, Apr 17, 2013 9:13:06pm

re: #9 erik_t

Many of them undoubtedly had no clue as to the danger across the road, because any reasonable citizen would conclude their due-diligence phase by assuming the local authorities would not allow houses to be built three hundred feet from an explosives manufacturer.

Invisible hand free market something something.

I doubt it rose to that. Most thought “Hey, this means I can be home within minutes and not spend a lot of money on gas. And better, if I want to, I can just walk or ride a bike to work!”

Won’t surprise me in the least when the lawsuits start trickling in and the response from corporate is “It’s not our fault these fools built so close to our plant!”

12 ProBosniaLiberal  Wed, Apr 17, 2013 9:15:51pm

re: #9 erik_t

In terms idiocy, we are talking Oppau scale dumbassery.

Oppau is a German town. During WWI, Germany was unable to get sulfate for Ammonium Sulfate fertilizer. They decided to use Ammonium Nitrate as a substitute. However, this ended up congealing into a mass in the Silo.

Pick-axeing it was a dangerous endeavor, as it could fall and crush people below. So they went with the alternative. Small charges of dynamite. I’ll let Wikipedia take over from here.

The explosion was estimated to be equivalent to about 1–2 kilotonnes of TNT and was heard as a loud bang in Munich, more than 300 km away. The pressure wave ripped roofs off up to 25 km away and destroyed windows even farther away. In Heidelberg (30 km from Oppau), traffic was stopped by the mass of broken glass on the streets.

About 80 percent of all buildings in Oppau were destroyed, leaving 6,500 homeless. At ground zero a 90 m by 125 m crater, 19 m deep, was created. Damages were estimated by the New York Times in 1922 at then 321 million Marks (since Germany suffered heavy hyperinflation in 1919–1924, given amounts and exchange-rates are not very descriptive).

They did 20,000 firings before the fateful one occurred.

13 erik_t  Wed, Apr 17, 2013 9:19:26pm

re: #11 Targetpractice

West, TX’s population is nearly 3000. I doubt more than 5% worked at this plant.

Note how (lololol) even the Horrible Communist Workers’ Paradise of Las Vegas handled construction around PEPCON.

There were a total of seven explosions during the accident. The two largest produced waves measuring 3.0 and 3.5 on the Richter scale. Nearly 4,500 tons (9 million lb) of the product exploded, creating a crater 15 feet (4.6 m) deep and 200 feet (61 m) long in the storage area. The combined explosions released estimated energy of 2.7 Kilotons of TNT.

In addition to the PEPCON and Kerr-McGee facilities, there was also a large marshmallow factory, Kidd & Co., about 500 feet (150 m) away, and a gravel quarry in operation nearby. The closest residential buildings were about 1¾ miles (3 km) away.

Though an unfathomably awful industrial disaster, the only deaths that day (two) were among PEPCON workers who were on-site at the time of the event.

That will not be the case tonight.

14 austin_blue  Wed, Apr 17, 2013 9:20:15pm

Repost from downstairs:

Police helicopters are circling around the Capitol Building here in Austin. She Who Must Be Obeyed just told me that via Twitter the EMS manager in West is estimating 60-70 fatalities and well over 200 injured. Another feed from Houston is saying five firefighters and a policeman were killed (with at least 65 others) and injuries are in “the hundreds”. All hospitals from Austin to Dallas are on trauma alert.

Oh fuck, oh dear.

15 ProBosniaLiberal  Wed, Apr 17, 2013 9:22:33pm

re: #14 austin_blue

From Austin to Dallas means about half of the state’s medical infrastructure. Holy hell.

16 bws58  Wed, Apr 17, 2013 9:29:31pm

Here’s a local to TX news link

Link

17 Kragar  Wed, Apr 17, 2013 9:29:53pm

Already saw youtube commenters saying the whole thing is faked.

Fuck you people, seriously.

18 AlexRogan  Wed, Apr 17, 2013 9:31:33pm

re: #14 austin_blue

Repost from downstairs:

Police helicopters are circling around the Capitol Building here in Austin. She Who Must Be Obeyed just told me that via Twitter the EMS manager in West is estimating 60-70 fatalities and well over 200 injured. Another feed from Houston is saying five firefighters and a policeman were killed (with at least 65 others) and injuries are in “the hundreds”. All hospitals from Austin to Dallas are on trauma alert.

Oh fuck, oh dear.

What a fucked-up week so far.

19 Kragar  Wed, Apr 17, 2013 9:33:11pm

re: #18 AlexRogan

What a fucked-up week so far.

I’m done with this month. Call me when its May.

20 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 17, 2013 9:33:30pm

Prayers for the wounded, their families, and those trying to save others.

21 HappyWarrior  Wed, Apr 17, 2013 9:34:19pm

re: #17 Kragar

Already saw youtube commenters saying the whole thing is faked.

Fuck you people, seriously.

I know. I am so sick of hearing that shit when something like this happens. Shit gets old. Talk about insensitivity.

22 austin_blue  Wed, Apr 17, 2013 9:35:36pm

Okay, I’m going to post this and then duck. But I think it’s important.

Two days ago, a crazy fucking shitbag, or maybe two, placed some bombs in Boston. They killed three people and caused almost 200 injuries, including traumatic amputations, the photos of which were posted around the world.

It was awful, and shocked the nation.

Earlier tonight, an industrial accident in a small town called West, Texas, killed, at last report, 70 people, including six first responders.

As cynical as this comment is, which incident will remain in the public eye?

And why?

Dead is fucking dead.

Compared to workplace or industrial incidents, being killed by a terrorist attack is infinitesimally small.

Are we that interested in commercial ad ratings for TV news, or should we be interested in promoting the common good by keeping this kind of industrial accident from happening again?

Boston is sexy, West is podunk. That sucks.

I’m serious. Please discuss.

23 Dr. Matt  Wed, Apr 17, 2013 9:36:08pm

Has Alex Jones declared the Waco explosion a false flag yet?

24 HappyWarrior  Wed, Apr 17, 2013 9:37:24pm

re: #23 Dr. Matt

Has Alex Jones declared the Waco explosion a false flag yet?

When he gets up from his slumber I’m sure he will.

25 jc717  Wed, Apr 17, 2013 9:41:05pm

re: #1 efuseakay

Why there’s a school so close to that place really boggles my mind.

Texans don’t want none of that socialist zoning crap.

26 SpaceJesus  Wed, Apr 17, 2013 9:42:35pm

re: #22 austin_blue

I’ll wait and see which one sticks

27 erik_t  Wed, Apr 17, 2013 9:42:37pm

re: #22 austin_blue

Compared to workplace or industrial incidents, being killed by a terrorist attack is infinitesimally small.

Are we that interested in commercial ad ratings, or the common good?

I’m serious. Please discuss.

Actual stream-of-consciousness answers:

1) I have run a marathon or two. I’ve had friends run Boston. I’ve never had any friends from small industrial Texas towns. I’m not quite alone; the level of interpersonal connectivity will be far higher for the Boston Marathon.
2) There is a level of presumption that a sufficiently large, famous, prestigious event is safe, much more so than in everyday life (which we all know is fraught with occasional peril).
3) Obviously (?) intentional acts hit us harder. I’m sure more people died in traffic accidents than in Boston on Monday, but the latter will dominate tomorrow’s conversation.
4) Likewise, single major events hit us harder than many minor events. The Newtown-day gun deaths were probably not more than a standard deviation away from the average national gun deaths, but they controlled months of news coverage.
5) I’m out of numbers; I’m going to have a stiff drink and go to bed. This week blows. Let’s try the next one ASAP.

28 blueraven  Wed, Apr 17, 2013 9:44:10pm

re: #22 austin_blue

Okay, I’m going to post this and then duck. But I think it’s important.

Two days ago, a crazy fucking shitbag, or maybe two, placed some bombs in Boston. They killed three people and caused almost 200 injuries, including traumatic amputations, the photos of which were posted around the world.

It was awful, and shocked the nation.

Earlier tonight, an industrial accident in a small town called West, Texas, killed, at last report, 70 people, including six first responders.

As cynical as this comment is, which incident will remain in the public eye?

And why?

Dead is fucking dead.

Compared to workplace or industrial incidents, being killed by a terrorist attack is infinitesimally small.

Are we that interested in commercial ad ratings, or the common good?

I’m serious. Please discuss.

I guess there is something to acceptable risk that causes a terrible incident like this to be somehow less important than the events in Boston.
That the people who lived there knew about the fertilizer plant and should be aware of the danger, whereas the people of Boston were just out for a sporting event.
Doesn’t make it right or even sensible, but maybe that’s part of it anyway.

FWIW, I am seeing conflicting reports…that 70 is the number of injured so far, not dead. But we probably wont know the facts until much later.

29 Kid A  Wed, Apr 17, 2013 9:45:32pm

So, is Obama or gay marriage to blame for this?
///

30 Gus  Wed, Apr 17, 2013 9:48:25pm

89 Americans die every day in car accidents.

31 Gus  Wed, Apr 17, 2013 9:49:33pm

A lot of people on my Twitter feed are freaking out. Glad we didn’t face WWII with this generation.

32 austin_blue  Wed, Apr 17, 2013 9:50:37pm

re: #27 erik_t

Actual stream-of-consciousness answers:

1) I have run a marathon or two. I’ve had friends run Boston. I’ve never had any friends from small industrial Texas towns. I’m not quite alone; the level of interpersonal connectivity will be far higher for the Boston Marathon.
2) There is a level of presumption that a sufficiently large, famous, prestigious event is safe, much more so than in everyday life (which we all know is fraught with occasional peril).
3) Obviously (?) intentional acts hit us harder. I’m sure more people died in traffic accidents than in Boston on Monday, but the latter will dominate tomorrow’s conversation.
4) Likewise, single major events hit us harder than many minor events. The Newtown-day gun deaths were probably not more than a standard deviation away from the average national gun deaths, but they controlled months of news coverage.
5) I’m out of numbers; I’m going to have a stiff drink and go to bed. This week blows. Let’s try the next one ASAP.

Fair and honest response, and I think you are probably correct on all counts.

Still sucks, though.

I’m for a wee dram of Jura single malt and bed. I agree with all that this has been a hellish week, and I hope that all lizardi everywhere are safe, warm, and happy.

Take care, all. Sweet scaly dreams.

33 blueraven  Wed, Apr 17, 2013 9:51:28pm

re: #31 Gus

A lot of people on my Twitter feed are freaking out. Glad we didn’t face WWII with this generation.

What are they freaking out about?

34 SpaceJesus  Wed, Apr 17, 2013 9:52:00pm

Reminder that the generation that fought WW2 threw thousands of Americans in internment camps because they freaked out over their ethnicity.

35 Kid A  Wed, Apr 17, 2013 9:52:03pm

re: #28 blueraven

Judging by the huge level of media fail today, I’ll wait a month or so for the facts. Maybe longer.

36 Gus  Wed, Apr 17, 2013 9:53:54pm

re: #33 blueraven

What are they freaking out about?

Oh, the combination of events. This, the Boston bombing, the ricin scare. A lot of religiosity coming out. Like it’s the end times.

37 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Apr 17, 2013 9:55:04pm

re: #36 Gus

Armageddon, maybe?

38 blueraven  Wed, Apr 17, 2013 9:57:42pm

re: #36 Gus

Oh, the combination of events. This, the Boston bombing, the ricin scare. A lot of religiosity coming out. Like it’s the end times.

Ah, I see. Well it has been a bad few days for sure. But us older folks have seen dark days before.

39 efuseakay  Wed, Apr 17, 2013 9:58:31pm

My arm a gettin’ a beer. I need a drink.

40 Gus  Wed, Apr 17, 2013 10:05:31pm

re: #34 SpaceJesus

Reminder that the generation that fought WW2 threw thousands of Americans in internment camps because they freaked out over their ethnicity.

You mean President Franklin D. Roosevelt.

41 Gus  Wed, Apr 17, 2013 10:05:46pm

BAN FERTILIZER!! STOP THE MADNESS!! //

42 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Wed, Apr 17, 2013 10:07:06pm

re: #27 erik_t

To add to the blather:

I currently live in the DFW area. I have lived in Waco, which usually gets mentioned in the same breath as West for some reason. Compared to industrial dystopian hell-holes like Galveston, Texas City, and Pampa, the town of West is best described as a quaint little stop where you can reliably obtain amazingly excellent baked goods on your way out of Waco.

West is also a reminder that Texas used to be a popular destination for German, Czech, and Polish immigrants, back when Texas was an independent republic and not an ad-hoc fundamentalist Baptist theocracy terrified of Mexicans.

43 blueraven  Wed, Apr 17, 2013 10:08:11pm

re: #41 Gus

BAN FERTILIZER!! STOP THE MADNESS!! //

Maybe just restrict the building zone around such plants.
Presser just relayed at least 60 homes devastated, plus an apt bldg with about 50 units is a skeleton.

44 Gus  Wed, Apr 17, 2013 10:13:17pm

re: #43 blueraven

Maybe just restrict the building zone around such plants.
Presser just relayed at least 60 homes devastated, plus an apt bldg with about 50 units is a skeleton.

The fertilizer plant is old. The housing development is old.

45 blueraven  Wed, Apr 17, 2013 10:14:47pm

re: #44 Gus

The fertilizer plant is old. The housing development is old.

Not anymore. They’re gone.

46 blueraven  Wed, Apr 17, 2013 10:16:13pm

Night all…may tomorrow be a better day.

47 Gus  Wed, Apr 17, 2013 10:19:03pm

re: #45 blueraven

Not anymore. They’re gone.

Odds are the townspeople of West would like to see both rebuilt.

48 ProBosniaLiberal  Wed, Apr 17, 2013 10:22:56pm

Hey, what is Nitrogen Trichloride?

49 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Wed, Apr 17, 2013 10:24:31pm

re: #48 ProBosniaLiberal

Hey, what is Nitrogen Trichloride?

When a man and a woman love each other very, very much….

50 AlexRogan  Wed, Apr 17, 2013 10:28:01pm

re: #48 ProBosniaLiberal

Hey, what is Nitrogen Trichloride?

Nitrogen trichloride

Nitrogen trichloride, also known as trichloramine, is the chemical compound with the formula NCl3. This yellow, oily, pungent-smelling liquid is most commonly encountered as a byproduct of chemical reactions between ammonia-derivatives and chlorine (for example, in swimming pools).

[…]

Nitrogen trichloride can irritate mucous membranes - it is tear gas, but has never been used as such.[2][3] The pure substance (rarely encountered) is a dangerous explosive, being sensitive to light, heat, even moderate shock, and organic compounds. Pierre Louis Dulong first prepared it in 1812, and lost two fingers and an eye in two explosions. An NCl3 explosion blinded Sir Humphry Davy temporarily, inducing him to hire Michael Faraday as a co-worker.

In 2006, Belgian researchers reported a possible link between NCl3 and rising numbers of childhood asthma cases, in what they call the pool chlorine hypothesis, as an alternative to the hygiene hypothesis with a closer causal link.[4]

51 ProBosniaLiberal  Wed, Apr 17, 2013 10:28:09pm

re: #47 Gus

Apparently, some of the citizens of West have been worried about this happening for a while now, and there has been a history of thefts at the property.

The town may be rebuilt, but the factory is almost certainly not.

52 efuseakay  Wed, Apr 17, 2013 10:30:49pm

Going to be a sad morning I’m afraid. Guess I better get some rest to get this over with. Sigh.

53 ProBosniaLiberal  Wed, Apr 17, 2013 10:39:41pm

re: #50 AlexRogan

Thanks. Saw someone on SomethingAwful wondering if Chlorine was at the site as well.

There is already Anhydrous Ammonia there.

-Hitler Born
-The RMS Titanic sinking
-The Texas City Explosion
-The Branch Davidian Siege
-The OKC Bombing
-The Columbine Shooting
-The Boston Marathon Bombing
-The Ricin Lunatic, and now:

The West (town), Texas Explosion.

54 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Wed, Apr 17, 2013 11:21:41pm

re: #31 Gus

A lot of people on my Twitter feed are freaking out. Glad we didn’t face WWII with this generation.

They would have if they’d realized Pearl Harbor was a false-flag operation.

//

55 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Apr 17, 2013 11:26:18pm

A terrible tragic night. I hate to add personal tragedy to the awful news that seems to have descended on us from every quarter, but a coincidental double loss has struck my family. My mother-in-law in Lubbock, and my stepmother in California, have both died within the past 6 hours. They had only met a few times over the last 30 years and did not really know each other except through me and my daughter. Both had been ill but I did not expect that the end would come for both of them in such close proximity.
My mother-in-law was my late wife’s mother. She never really recovered from her daughter’s premature death and had been suffering from dementia in recent years. My stepmother was my half brother’s mother. He is 26 years younger than I am.
My daughter got here from Tennessee just before her grandmother passed, which is a real blessing. Otherwise I would be out on the road trying to find her and bring her home myself.
With this in addition to my niece being caught up in the Boston atrocity (though only to help), I really feel like curling up in a ball somewhere, but I won’t. I have to go to the well at least one more time and be strong, yet again.
Needless to say, I won’t be around much for a while. I want to thank everyone in the LGF community for your unstinting support and encouragement over the past 12 years. I will be needing it now more than ever.

56 AlexRogan  Wed, Apr 17, 2013 11:32:01pm

re: #55 Shiplord Kirel

A terrible tragic night. I hate to add personal tragedy to the awful news that seems to have descended on us from every quarter, but a coincidental double loss has struck my family. My mother-in-law in Lubbock, and my stepmother in California, have both died within the past 6 hours. They had only met a few times over the last 30 years and did not really know each other except through me and my daughter. Both had been ill but I did not expect that the end would come for both of them in such close proximity.
My mother-in-law was my late wife’s mother. She never really recovered from her daughter’s premature death and had been suffering from dementia in recent years. My stepmother was my half brother’s mother. He is 26 years younger than I am.
My daughter got here from Tennessee just before her grandmother passed, which is a real blessing. Otherwise I would be out on the road trying to find her and bring her home myself.
On top of my niece being caught up in the Boston atrocity (though only to help), I really feel like curling up in a ball somewhere, but I won’t. I have to go to the well at least one more time and be strong, yet again.
Needless to say, I won’t be around much for a while. I want to thank everyone in the LGF community for your unstinting support and encouragement over the past 12 years. I will be needing it now more than ever.

Damn, man, just damn.

Take care of you and your daughter through all of this; we’ll be here when you get back.

57 Joanne  Wed, Apr 17, 2013 11:34:40pm

re: #55 Shiplord Kirel

I’m so very sorry to you and yours for your losses. I wish you the best.

58 Lidane  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 12:12:33am

re: #36 Gus

Oh, the combination of events. This, the Boston bombing, the ricin scare. A lot of religiosity coming out. Like it’s the end times.

I’ve seen a few friends on FB reaching for their fainting couches tonight, praying for Jesus to run the country or some such nonsense. WTF.

59 Lidane  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 12:17:51am

My phone has been blowing up all night because of the West, Texas thing. My mother was convinced I was in danger of being blown up in a secondary explosion at the plant, never mind the fact that Austin is 130 miles away.

Also, I happen to be in Silicon Valley right now, so I’m out of the blast radius. But that will not stop my mother from freaking out about this horrible event.

My heart hurts thinking about all those families who lost their homes and their lives tonight. Sad all around.

60 Kragar  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 12:38:58am

re: #55 Shiplord Kirel

A terrible tragic night. I hate to add personal tragedy to the awful news that seems to have descended on us from every quarter, but a coincidental double loss has struck my family. My mother-in-law in Lubbock, and my stepmother in California, have both died within the past 6 hours. They had only met a few times over the last 30 years and did not really know each other except through me and my daughter. Both had been ill but I did not expect that the end would come for both of them in such close proximity.
My mother-in-law was my late wife’s mother. She never really recovered from her daughter’s premature death and had been suffering from dementia in recent years. My stepmother was my half brother’s mother. He is 26 years younger than I am.
My daughter got here from Tennessee just before her grandmother passed, which is a real blessing. Otherwise I would be out on the road trying to find her and bring her home myself.
With this in addition to my niece being caught up in the Boston atrocity (though only to help), I really feel like curling up in a ball somewhere, but I won’t. I have to go to the well at least one more time and be strong, yet again.
Needless to say, I won’t be around much for a while. I want to thank everyone in the LGF community for your unstinting support and encouragement over the past 12 years. I will be needing it now more than ever.

My condolences.

61 Kragar  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 12:55:41am

Reports of almost 70 dead in the Waco blast.

Fucking hell.

62 Kragar  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 1:11:15am

Conservative radio host: Families of Newtown shooting victims can ‘go to hell’

On his show Davis & Emmer, which is broadcast by Twin Cities News Talk AM 1130, he attacked the families of those killed in the mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School for speaking in support of stricter gun laws.

“I have something I want to say to the victims of Newtown, or any other shooting,” Davis said. “I don’t care if it’s here in Minneapolis or anyplace else. Just because a bad thing happened to you doesn’t mean that you get to put a king in charge of my life. I’m sorry that you suffered a tragedy, but you know what? Deal with it, and don’t force me to lose my liberty, which is a greater tragedy than your loss. I’m sick and tired of seeing these victims trotted out, given rides on Air Force One, hauled into the Senate well, and everyone is just afraid — they’re terrified of these victims.”

“I would stand in front of them and tell them, ‘go to hell,’” he added.

63 freetoken  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 1:33:32am

re: #61 Kragar

Reminiscent of the big Texas City Disaster years ago. These industrial sites are incredibly dangerous.

64 freetoken  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 1:39:25am
65 jamesfirecat  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 3:33:42am

re: #62 Kragar

Conservative radio host: Families of Newtown shooting victims can ‘go to hell’

Can I get some odds down on if this guy had a problem “trading liberty for security” say… Oh… to pick a number at random…. 11 years ago?

66 Decatur Deb  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 4:25:24am

re: #22 austin_blue

Okay, I’m going to post this and then duck. But I think it’s important.

Two days ago, a crazy fucking shitbag, or maybe two, placed some bombs in Boston. They killed three people and caused almost 200 injuries, including traumatic amputations, the photos of which were posted around the world.

It was awful, and shocked the nation.

Earlier tonight, an industrial accident in a small town called West, Texas, killed, at last report, 70 people, including six first responders.

As cynical as this comment is, which incident will remain in the public eye?

And why?

Dead is fucking dead.

Compared to workplace or industrial incidents, being killed by a terrorist attack is infinitesimally small.

Are we that interested in commercial ad ratings for TV news, or should we be interested in promoting the common good by keeping this kind of industrial accident from happening again?

Boston is sexy, West is podunk. That sucks.

I’m serious. Please discuss.

We are far more comfortable with greed and stupidity than with murderous intent. The line is that fine.

67 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 4:28:53am

re: #66 Decatur Deb

We are far more comfortable with greed and stupidity than with murderous intent. The line is that fine.

The Boston bombing was premeditated murder caused by a criminal/terrorist.

The Texas explosion was negligence caused by cutting corners on safety measures to enhance the bottom line.

TEH JRRB CREATERS are never guilty of anything, whatever they do is blessed.//

68 Decatur Deb  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 4:33:14am

re: #55 Shiplord Kirel

You get to be the rock for a couple weeks, then you owe yourself a drink.

69 Decatur Deb  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 4:42:44am

re: #67 Vicious Babushka

The Boston bombing was premeditated murder caused by a criminal/terrorist.

The Texas explosion was negligence caused by cutting corners on safety measures to enhance the bottom line.

TEH JRRB CREATERS are never guilty of anything, whatever they do is blessed.//

Good likelihood you’re right, but it will take months for a professional investigation to determine the (usually multiple) cause. In this kind of setting, that will fall to OSHA (with other Federal agency help) and the local fire authorities. They will do a decent job, and no one is going to accept their conclusions. The owners will dispute the fines in court for years, and finally pay off a greatly reduced amount. The workers’ families will get a rigidly-set Texas workers’ compensation amount. That is normally their ‘sole remedy in law’, but the third party victims can sue for whatever the lawyers can get. In the final analysis the corporation can bail out by shedding the subsidiary through bankruptcy.

70 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 4:46:09am

I see that the wingnuts on Twitter are all ignoring the Crazy Ricin Guy except for one tweet that said he WUZ A LIBRUL because of that bumper sticker.

71 sagehen  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 5:24:31am

re: #67 Vicious Babushka

The Boston bombing was premeditated murder caused by a criminal/terrorist.

The Texas explosion was negligence caused by cutting corners on safety measures to enhance the bottom line.

TEH JRRB CREATERS are never guilty of anything, whatever they do is blessed.//

There won’t be any physical evidence of corner-cutting, because the corners have been atomized. Along with any gauges, business records, or eyewitnesses.

72 Decatur Deb  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 5:29:09am

re: #71 sagehen

There won’t be any physical evidence of corner-cutting, because the corners have been atomized. Along with any gauges, business records, or eyewitnesses.

There will be a lot of data in the ruins and in off-site records. It would be a piece of cake compared to something like the investigation of TWA 800, and will get treatment approaching that effort if it remains in the public consciousness long enough.

73 A Mom Anon  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 5:36:58am

You know, anyone who says all this crap is happening because of(insert the awful sin that God is punishing us for here) might want to consider instead that MAYBE the message is that we should care for each other much more than we do as a country. Or perhaps stop being so divided and hateful to one another. Or maybe, if you’re into things being divine signs of God’s Will, there might be a message that profits over people and the planet isn’t the best idea we’ve ever had. That MAYBE, just maybe we’ve lost our way in many areas, not just one. Maybe.

That video is freaking horrific, I hope the people in that car are alright.

74 Decatur Deb  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 5:39:57am

Dogwalk—BBL

75 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 5:41:20am

DERP
Dumbass, it was for FALSE ADVERTISING, not “violating Sharia”

76 geoffm33  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 5:42:20am

I’ve had this song stuck in my head all AM, no reason why. But here you go:

77 Stephen T.  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 5:54:13am

re: #43 blueraven

I’m not sure if this is true of all of Texas, I only recall learning this about Austin. In Austin there is no such thing as zoning laws. It is seen as an antithesis of freedom to have the (local) government say, “You can’t build that there.”

If this is true in West, Texas as it is in Austin, then all I can say is. “This is why sane people have zoning laws.”

78 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 5:56:46am

He WAS “interrogated” you ASSHOLE

79 Dr. Matt  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 5:58:11am

Has Rick Perry started complaining that the federal government isn’t doing enough?

80 darthstar  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 5:58:11am

Mornin’ everyone…unless you happen to be a sitting US Senator who vote no yesterday, in which case I say, “Fuck you, douchebag.”

81 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 5:59:10am

HERE’S YOUR BREAKFAST BRYAN (A BAG OF DICKS)

82 Dr. Matt  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 5:59:18am

re: #78 Vicious Babushka

Who is being deported? The Saudi student in Boston?!

83 darthstar  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 5:59:43am

re: #77 Stephen T.

If this is true in West, Texas as it is in Austin, then all I can say is. “This is why sane people have zoning laws.”

I do believe that neighborhood has been re-zoned.

re: #79 Dr. Matt

Has Rick Perry started complaining that the federal government isn’t doing enough?

Perry likes to pray for victims. Makes him feel governory.

84 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:00:42am

re: #82 Dr. Matt

Who is being deported? The Saudi student in Boston?!

Wingnuts claim he is being “deported.” I don’t even know if he has been discharged from the hospital, but it’s more likely that he is getting the hell out of Dodge to escape the lynch mob.

85 geoffm33  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:02:00am

re: #82 Dr. Matt

Who is being deported? The Saudi student in Boston?!

A cursory google search turns up info on the student being deported. Usual suspects (WND, Atlas Shrugs, Hannity, Jihadi Watch)

Edit: typo

86 Dr. Matt  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:02:59am

re: #85 geoffm33

A cursory google search turns up info on the student being deported. Usual suspects (WND, Atlas Shruggs, Hannity, Jihadi Watch)

Ah. Just as reliable sources as CNN.

87 darthstar  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:03:42am

re: #86 Dr. Matt

Ah. Just as reliable sources as CNN.

ouch…that’s going to leave a mark.

88 Ian G.  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:03:48am

You know, I woke up this morning thinking “oh good, the tornado outbreak I was afraid would hit that region didn’t materialize”.

And then this, worse than a direct hit by an F5 tornado, happens.

Sigh….

89 Dr. Matt  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:04:07am
re: #83 darthstar

Perry likes to pray for victims. Makes him feel governory.

Or maybe he’ll ask for a week long fasting.

90 Bubblehead II  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:04:38am

Morning Lizards. From the news so far, I can’t say it’s a good one.

91 Kronocide  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:05:20am

re: #80 darthstar

Mornin’ everyone…unless you happen to be a sitting US Senator who vote no yesterday, in which case I say, “Fuck you, douchebag.”

And a special ‘Fuck You Asshole M’Fer’ to all the right wing jackasses antagonizing the debate with postulations about pressure cooker registration laws.

92 sagehen  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:06:40am

re: #84 Vicious Babushka

Wingnuts claim he is being “deported.” I don’t even know if he has been discharged from the hospital, but it’s more likely that he is getting the hell out of Dodge to escape the lynch mob.

Or his parents demanded he come home, where it’s safe.

93 efuseakay  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:08:06am

re: #77 Stephen T.

I’m not sure if this is true of all of Texas, I only recall learning this about Austin. In Austin there is no such thing as zoning laws. It is seen as an antithesis of freedom to have the (local) government say, “You can’t build that there.”

If this is true in West, Texas as it is in Austin, then all I can say is. “This is why sane people have zoning laws.”

Well. Austin is very self-conscious about lots of things. The town is on top of an aquifer… Their source of water. Not privy to their zoning laws, if any, but I doubt something like this would be allowed there.

94 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:08:18am

Wingnuts double down on Teh Derp, claim that CNN was right all along, “a suspect is in custody” but they don’t want you to know this as he’s being held in a seekrit location, probably Gitmo.

95 Stephen T.  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:11:37am

re: #93 efuseakay

My source for this was a television show named How the States Got their Shapes. I know, not exactly scholarly. On the episode in question they showed a residential home next to a roller coaster, it was noted that if the roller coaster derailed, it would kill the residents of the house. The roller coaster owner didn’t care, the resident did, but admitted that he was something like the 12 owner in 12 years. Other unsafe conditions were shown so the host of the show could put on his “can you believe this insanity?” face for the cameras.

96 efuseakay  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:12:13am

re: #70 Vicious Babushka

I see that the wingnuts on Twitter are all ignoring the Crazy Ricin Guy except for one tweet that said he WUZ A LIBRUL because of that bumper sticker.

Was that even his bumper sticker?

97 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:13:27am

re: #96 efuseakay

Was that even his bumper sticker?

OF COURSE IT WAS!!11 IT WAS ON HIS MYSPACE PAGE!!11!!!!

98 efuseakay  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:13:28am

re: #95 Stephen T.

My source for this was a television show named How the States Got their Shapes. I know, not exactly scholarly. On the episode in question they showed a residential home next to a roller coaster, it was noted that if the roller coaster derailed, it would kill the residents of the house. The roller coaster owner didn’t care, the resident did, but admitted that he was something like the 12 owner in 12 years. Other unsafe conditions were shown so the host of the show could put on his “can you believe this insanity?” face for the cameras.

Eh. I guess all my dealings in Austin are in the good side of town. It’s surprising though, given how liberal that town is.

99 Lidane  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:17:27am

re: #77 Stephen T.

I’m not sure if this is true of all of Texas, I only recall learning this about Austin. In Austin there is no such thing as zoning laws. It is seen as an antithesis of freedom to have the (local) government say, “You can’t build that there.”

That would be Houston, not Austin. The People’s Republic of Austinistan has zoning laws:

austintexas.gov

Houston is a giant clusterfuck and a pain in the ass to get around because it has no zoning laws. Every time the subject has come up for a vote the usual suspects start derping about liberty and ZOMG BIG GUBMINT.

100 Stephen T.  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:18:18am

re: #99 Lidane

You are probably correct, I may not be remembering the show correctly.

101 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:19:30am

ZOMG GLENN BECK HAS A NEWS BOMBSHELL ABOUT THE SAUDI SUSPECT!!11!!!!

(cobbled together random Derp/Shit from yesterday’s media fail)

102 efuseakay  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:20:05am

I. Hate. Houston. (Sorry Houstonites)

Brb. Gotta build my ark and row outta Chicago.

103 Bubblehead II  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:25:24am

A ray of sunshine for a day that has started out so dark.

Baby porcupine born at Zoo Boise

104 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:29:34am

BUNCHA LIBRUL MOOCHERS!!11!!


105 geoffm33  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:36:20am

Getting ready for the Presidents arrival:

Cathedral of the Holy Cross in the South End

106 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:37:54am

DERPTY DERP. DIM JIM CAN’T EVEN GET HIS NAME RIGHT.

107 Bulworth  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:38:05am

re: #104 Vicious Babushka


BUNCHA LIBRUL MOOCHERS!!11!!

How much taxpayer dollars are being spent for Obummer to go to Massachusetts today?!?!!! How many kids WH visits would his trip pay for??!!!!!

108 Bulworth  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:39:27am

re: #106 Vicious Babushka

DERPTY DERP. DIM JIM CAN’T EVEN GET HIS NAME RIGHT.

Which is why he sent a poison-laden letter to PBO. Fact.

///

109 Bulworth  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:40:41am

re: #101 Vicious Babushka


ZOMG GLENN BECK HAS A NEWS BOMBSHELL ABOUT THE SAUDI SUSPECT!!11!!!!

(cobbled together random Derp/Shit from yesterday’s media fail)

Confirmed. The Saudi suspect is the The Suspect. Fact.

//

110 geoffm33  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:41:11am

re: #108 Bulworth

Which is why he sent a poison-laden letter to PBO. Fact.

///

Checkmate, Librulz!

111 Bulworth  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:41:25am

re: #104 Vicious Babushka

Illegal immigrants!!! Border Security now!!! No Amnesty!!

112 geoffm33  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:43:02am

re: #108 Bulworth

Which is why he sent a poison-laden letter to PBO. Fact.

///

Question (since I don’t care much for Jim Hoft to research him) but does he describe himself as a blogger or a journalist? Because “confirmed” is a pretty serious word if the latter.

Edit: Typo, again, fat fingers today.

113 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:44:27am

re: #112 geoffm33

Question (since I don’t care much for Jim Hoft to research him) but does he describe himself as a blogger or a journalist? Because “confirmed” is a pretty serious word if the latter.

HE IZ A SERIEL JURNELIST AND HAZ ONE ACURRACY IN MEDIA AWARD!!11!!

114 kirkspencer  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:44:59am

re: #102 efuseakay

I. Hate. Houston. (Sorry Houstonites)

Brb. Gotta build my ark and row outta Chicago.

Well, being a recent transplant to Houston, I’ve got to say it’s tons better than Chattanooga. Oh, Chattanooga was prettier, but at least here you’ve got liberals and you’ve got (some) care for the poor and needy that doesn’t require religious conversion to faith-of-the-provider.

115 geoffm33  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:45:22am

To go along with the baby porcupine, here is another feel-god story for today:

Update: Oliver Twist To Go Home Soon Thanks To YOU!

116 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:45:31am

LOL

117 kirkspencer  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:48:27am

re: #114 kirkspencer

Well, being a recent transplant to Houston, I’ve got to say it’s tons better than Chattanooga. Oh, Chattanooga was prettier, but at least here you’ve got liberals and you’ve got (some) care for the poor and needy that doesn’t require religious conversion to faith-of-the-provider.

(meant to add) The only thing I really miss besides the view is the internet service. Chattanooga’s was, well, better. (The best, for my experience, was Dalton, GA, where we got fiber to home.)

118 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:52:33am

Some early morning LOLZ

119 danarchy  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:53:24am

This did my heart good to see last night.

Boston Bruins National Anthem

120 makeitstop  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:54:34am

Morning, Lizards.

I believe the day is coming when all the wingnut stupid will fold into itself, creating the most dense concentration of stupid ever imagined by man.

Let me see if I have this straight: The Ricin Guy has a picture of a liberal bumper sticker on the internets somewhere, therefore he’s a Dem activist who mailed Ricin to a Democratic president?

Sounds legit.

///

121 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:54:54am

Good morning lizards!

122 iossarian  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:56:36am

re: #108 Bulworth

“Confirmed:” : prefix :: “Fact.” : suffix

123 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:57:05am

SKorean broadcaster bans PSY’s ‘Gentleman’ video over ‘no parking’ kick

SEOUL, South Korea — A major South Korean broadcaster says it has banned PSY’s new music video because the rapper is shown abusing public property.

The “Gentleman” video opens with PSY kicking a cone that says “no parking.”

State-funded KBS said Thursday the scene doesn’t meet its standards as a public broadcaster. Two spokesmen say KBS has banned other videos for similar reasons in the past.

124 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:57:27am

re: #120 makeitstop

Let me see if I have this straight: The Ricin Guy has a picture of a liberal bumper sticker on the internets somewhere, therefore he’s a Dem activist who mailed Ricin to a Democratic president?

Sounds legit.

///

That is pretty much the gist of Dim Jim’s mad investigative jurnelizm skillz.

125 Stanley Sea  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:58:12am

re: #119 danarchy

This did my heart good to see last night.

Boston Bruins National Anthem

They played it on NPR this morning on my drive in. Totally trashed my makeup.

126 iossarian  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:59:01am

re: #123 NJDhockeyfan

SKorean broadcaster bans PSY’s ‘Gentleman’ video over ‘no parking’ kick

I thought Korean pop music had punks.

What do those guys do in their music videos? Frown at puppies?

127 Ian G.  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:59:06am

re: #123 NJDhockeyfan

That’s what I needed. A good laugh this morning.

128 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:01:38am

We don’t even know if that was his own car with the bumper sticker. He might have been pointing and laughing at SOMEBODY ELSE’S bumper sticker. Like no wingnut has ever made fun of a LIBRUL BUMPER STICKER.

129 geoffm33  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:04:47am

re: #119 danarchy

This did my heart good to see last night.

Boston Bruins National Anthem

Bruins ultimately lost in a shoot out, but both teams remained on the ice to give a stick salute to the fans.

Image: Bruins/Sabres stick salute

130 efuseakay  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:05:04am

re: #114 kirkspencer

Well, being a recent transplant to Houston, I’ve got to say it’s tons better than Chattanooga. Oh, Chattanooga was prettier, but at least here you’ve got liberals and you’ve got (some) care for the poor and needy that doesn’t require religious conversion to faith-of-the-provider.

Very true, but I assure you, I was being purely superficial in my opinion about Houston. :)

131 Bulworth  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:05:54am

From the NYT today:

Opponents of gun control from both parties said that they made their decisions based on logic, and that passions had no place in the making of momentous policy.

“Criminals do not submit to background checks now,” said Senator Charles E. Grassley, Republican of Iowa. “They will not submit to expanded background checks.”

So if the “criminals” won’t “submit” to background checks online or at gun shows, where will they get them?

132 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:07:12am
133 geoffm33  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:07:35am

re: #131 Bulworth

From the NYT today:

So if the “criminals” won’t “submit” to background checks online or at gun shows, where will they get them?

If gun show hosts or online providers won’t perform background checks, I know where they WILL get them.

134 Bulworth  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:07:54am

From the NYT article:

Opponents of gun control from both parties said that they made their decisions based on logic, and that passions had no place in the making of momentous policy.

made their decisions based on logic
Yeah, logic, chew on that for a while.

135 Bulworth  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:09:22am

re: #133 geoffm33

Yeah, but since criminals and would-be criminals don’t like background checks, we should not have background checks. //

136 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:09:42am

re: #134 Bulworth

From the NYT article:

made their decisions based on logic
Yeah, logic, chew on that for a while.

LOGIC!

137 Stanley Sea  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:10:06am

re: #128 Vicious Babushka

We don’t even know if that was his own car with the bumper sticker. He might have been pointing and laughing at SOMEBODY ELSE’S bumper sticker. Like no wingnut has ever made fun of a LIBRUL BUMPER STICKER.

He posted that nasty libel hate against POTUS Mother. That’s enough for me to form an opinion.

138 geoffm33  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:10:49am

re: #135 Bulworth

Yeah, but since criminals and would-be criminals don’t like background checks, we should not have background checks. //

Wait, I though that was us librulz that need to coddle the criminals?

139 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:13:16am

The Post’s ‘Person of Interest’ Is a Local High-School Track Runner

Journalists: really not understanding how rumor-mongering about brown people is going to make shit worse.

140 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:16:15am

Teh Twitterz is full of Fail this morning:

141 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:17:58am

Damn douchbags right away are using the Boston terror attack to scam people.

Malware Attackers Exploit Boston Marathon Bombing

In the wake of any high-profile tragedy, scammers quickly spring into action. That’s continued to be the case in the wake of Monday’s Boston Marathon bombing, as attack campaigns backed by spam and malicious websites have used the tragedy as a lure for infecting PCs with malware.

By Wednesday, Cisco reported that 40% of all spam emails seen crossing the Internet were name-dropping the Boston Marathon bombing.

But related malicious online activities began just hours after the bombing, with more than 125 potentially fake domains that tied to the event registered Monday, according to TheDomain.

By Tuesday, that number had grown to 234, reported John Bambenek at Internet Storm Center. “Some of these are just parked domains, some are squatters who are keeping the domains from bad people. A couple are soliciting donations (one is soliciting bitcoins, oddly enough),” he said. “So far, there has been no reports of any spam related to this but there have been a few fake twitter accounts which are fairly quickly getting squashed.”

142 Ian G.  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:18:03am

re: #132 Vicious Babushka

The genes already exist for micro-evolution (variations within a biological kind such as varieties of dogs, cats, horses, cows, etc.), but not for macro-evolution (variations across biological kinds such as from sea sponge to human).

I guess this is how creationists deal with the realities of antibiotic-resistant bacteria, or the constantly-changing flu virus. Hey, evolution is real on a small scale, but not on a large scale.

Hey, whatever helps them sleep at night, but you can see the water pouring through the cracks in the dam.

143 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:21:17am

re: #142 Ian G.

I guess this is how creationists deal with the realities of antibiotic-resistant bacteria, or the constantly-changing flu virus. Hey, evolution is real on a small scale, but not on a large scale.

Hey, whatever helps them sleep at night, but you can see the water pouring through the cracks in the dam.

Be careful with the blockquotes. I did not say that.

144 geoffm33  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:22:30am

For those of you following at home, here is the program for the Interfaith Service today in Boston.

PDF LINK: healingourcityprogram__1366289515_5162.pdf

145 Dr. Matt  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:28:36am

So Congress is going to withhold any Fed Aid to Texas before they have offsetting budget cuts….right?

146 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:35:15am

:p

I hope the Lizards are having a good morning. This one started poorly and is going downhill.

Topped off just now by a jackass adding the standard “we have to ban pressure cookers now” crap onto a FB thread discussing the cloture failure yesterday in the US Senate. He probably thought he was being clever, but given the context of the bill mainly being about background checks it just comes across as malignant cluelessness.

And given his fondness for the code word “Canadian” back in the 1990s I expect that his basis for his viewpoint has not moderated in the past twenty years.

147 Dr. Matt  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:37:51am

re: #146 Feline Fearless Leader

:p
Yopped off just now by a jackass adding the standard “we have to ban pressure cookers now” crap onto a FB thread discussing the cloture failure yesterday in the US Senate.

There should be laws where “people” who make asinine and obtuse comments like that are subject to 24 hours of getting punched in the dick.

148 efuseakay  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:38:27am

BTW, Boston.com reporting that authorities are going to release photos of the two people of interest. Going to ask for help in identifying them.

149 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:44:27am

re: #147 Dr. Matt

There should be laws where “people” who make asinine and obtuse comments like that are subject to 24 hours of getting punched in the dick.

I think my solution will be to get his “we shouldn’t ban anything since bad people are bad people” comment shifted over into a thread with the other jackass railing about abortions. See if I can arrange them to spend time annoying each other in a thread I can then block/ignore.

150 geoffm33  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:45:15am
151 kirkspencer  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:49:38am

re: #150 geoffm33

The Boston Bombing Witch Hunt Bags Another Innocent Kid

yaknow, the NYP paid Richard Jewell $15 million in damages. You’d think they’d have some sort of rule in place after that, especially given their financial difficulties.

152 Dr. Matt  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:50:16am
153 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:50:33am

re: #148 efuseakay

BTW, Boston.com reporting that authorities are going to release photos of the two people of interest. Going to ask for help in identifying them.

Weren’t they saying yesterday that an arrest was “imminent”? Was that bad reporting or an actual statement from authorities? Now they don’t even have an ID?

154 geoffm33  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:56:15am

re: #153 Killgore Trout

Weren’t they saying yesterday that an arrest was “imminent”? Was that bad reporting or an actual statement from authorities? Now they don’t even have an ID?

From Here: boston.com

On Wednesday, the disclosure that a bomber was believed to have been seen on the Lord and Taylor surveillance video led to widespread media reports that a suspect was in custody, was under arrest, and was heading to US District Court in South Boston for an initial appearance.

That’s some fancy footwork getting from L&T Video to a suspect in custody. {Golf Clap} CNN et al.

155 Destro  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:56:41am

Texans, this is what happens when the govt does not regulate industries. This is why businesses like these move to de-regulation loving states in the South.

156 jamesfirecat  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:56:53am

re: #145 Dr. Matt

So Congress is going to withhold any Fed Aid to Texas before they have offsetting budget cuts….right?

I believe you mean democrats will refuse government aid to Texas until tax are raised to make up for the spent revenue.

(Not suggesting we actually do that just that it would be the “left” version of some shenanigans we have seen from republicans in congress…)

157 Destro  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:57:38am

re: #154 geoffm33

From Here: boston.com

That’s some fancy footwork getting from L&T Video to a suspect in custody. {Golf Clap} CNN et al.

CNN is lowest denominator news.

158 Targetpractice  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:59:23am

re: #157 Destro

CNN is lowest denominator news.

Fox Lite.

159 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:01:13am

re: #154 geoffm33

From Here: boston.com

That’s some fancy footwork getting from L&T Video to a suspect in custody. {Golf Clap} CNN et al.

When we saw that on CNN yesterday my co-worker commented on how quickly they had gotten from film footage to identification to making arrest. Which, as it turns out, was correct in being relatively unbelievable.

160 Political Atheist  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:01:51am

Good Morning
Prayers & sympathies for the lost and their families in Boston, Texas and too many crime ridden neighborhoods-

Those people were too damn close and that dude has his kid with him. Holy &*%*.

Since crowd sourced video of these disasters has gone so viral we now have too many people that will thoughtlessly get in the way. Perhaps of either first responders or harms way.

Pro Tip-Use the zoom feature and get your stuff from a safe place. For us SLR or DSLR folks it’s all about the long glass.

Half sarc, we have a brighter crowd around here. But well damn. Kid in the car.

161 Destro  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:01:58am

re: #156 jamesfirecat

I believe you mean democrats will refuse government aid to Texas until tax are raised to make up for the spent revenue.

(Not suggesting we actually do that just that it would be the “left” version of some shenanigans we have seen from republicans in congress…)

I am suggesting that. I am from New York. Vendetta! I am sorry, it’s about time the Red voting parts of the country are made to live by their own Ayn Rand weirdo rules and see how they like it. Most (but not all) Red states are welfare states living off the subsidies of Democrat Blue voting states (aka Republican limited govt and taxes states are actually living off the govt teat like moochers).

I think the Republican voter in these moocher states has that ideology ironically because they are subsidized by Democrats. Like arrogant immature teenagers they don’t have to live in the real world yet.

162 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:07:21am

Gah. Dim Jim’s meme that “Ricin Guy iz a LIBRUL” is going viral. Uch.

163 kirkspencer  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:07:38am

re: #155 Destro

Texans, this is what happens when the govt does not regulate industries. This is why businesses like these move to de-regulation loving states in the South.

“This is what happens when govt does not regulate industries.” Which, the fire, the explosion, or the damage to buildings and people located way too close? In order, maybe, no, and yes. And not one of those is a reason for wantint to move to avoid deregulation - businesses don’t want th”?eir buildings on fire, they don’t want them to explode, and they don’t want to damage nearby buildings and injure/kill people.

They move because the lack of regulations mean they can cut corners. They’re certain “it won’t happen to them”. Heck, for over 13 years it did not happen to this fertilizer manufacturer. But get your rhetorical flourishes straight, please.

Oh - maybe, no, and yes. The fire’s cause awaits investigation. There are things that would have been caught in investigations mandated by regulation, and things that are higher risks that regulation would deny. On the other hand there are things that can and will happen even if/when regulations are in place. We’ll have to wait and see. The explosion is “no”. Once the fire is going next to fertilizer tanks a BLEVE (Boiling Liquid Expanding Vapor Explosion) is almost inevitable. Damage to buildings and people nearby? Oh, yes. Who builds a school within 1000 feet, a hospital within 1500 feet, of a facility manufacturing highly explosive material? Not to mention homes as close as 500 feet. Dear goo, what a mess.

164 Dr. Matt  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:07:49am

re: #156 jamesfirecat

I believe you mean democrats will refuse government aid to Texas until tax are raised to make up for the spent revenue.

(Not suggesting we actually do that just that it would be the “left” version of some shenanigans we have seen from republicans in congress…)

It’s not a “left version” since in recent history Democrats have never insisted to raise taxes to pay for Federal Aid during a disaster. Unfortunately, my post, which was sarcastic in nature, is a right-wing reality and has occurred more times that I can remember.

165 GeneJockey  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:08:52am

re: #161 Destro

Hell, most red COUNTIES in any state, red or blue, are mooching off the blue urban counties, since the latter are where most Americans actually live, and work, and pay taxes.

But try telling that to a Conservative - no matter what your source, it’s ‘biased’, ‘skewed’, or ‘they can make the study turn out any way they want’. He’ll just KNOW it’s not true, and that trumps actual data.

166 darthstar  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:12:08am

Okay…I heard on the news this morning that the fertilizer plant posed no risk to the community and a fire, let alone an explosion, was at best a remote possibility. 54,000 pounds of anhydrous ammonia not a risk? Stupid fuckers (and I mean the state and local officials who bought this horseshit).

167 Destro  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:14:01am

re: #165 GeneJockey

Hell, most red COUNTIES in any state, red or blue, are mooching off the blue urban counties, since the latter are where most Americans actually live, and work, and pay taxes.

But try telling that to a Conservative - no matter what your source, it’s ‘biased’, ‘skewed’, or ‘they can make the study turn out any way they want’. He’ll just KNOW it’s not true, and that trumps actual data.

That’s why we have to do some tough love. CUT THEM OFF till they learn their lessons.

When Obama proposed privatizing the TVA the Republicans who live where the TVA is (southern rural and mostly poor whites who vote in Republicans) squealed the loudest. Let’s do more of that please.

168 Destro  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:16:21am

re: #166 darthstar

Okay…I heard on the news this morning that the fertilizer plant posed no risk to the community and a fire, let alone an explosion, was at best a remote possibility. 54,000 pounds of anhydrous ammonia not a risk? Stupid fuckers (and I mean the state and local officials who bought this horseshit).

It’s a risk only if you believe in science.

But, if you believe in a deregulated state, where science is viewed as suspect and where you assume that a business (which has the morality of a sociopath) will do what’s best for itself and that means what’s best for humanity then no, there was no risk. Jesus will protect and provide.

169 darthstar  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:16:26am

People are having fun with Mark Sanford.

Image: sanfordtrespassing.jpg

170 Decatur Deb  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:17:21am

re: #161 Destro

I am suggesting that. I am from New York. Vendetta! I am sorry, it’s about time the Red voting parts of the country are made to live by their own Ayn Rand weirdo rules and see how they like it. Most (but not all) Red states are welfare states living off the subsidies of Democrat Blue voting states (aka Republican limited govt and taxes states are actually living off the govt teat like moochers).

I think the Republican voter in these moocher states has that ideology ironically because they are subsidized by Democrats. Like arrogant immature teenagers they don’t have to live in the real world yet.

re: #167 Destro

With a little effort you could become a Young Republican.

171 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:19:57am

re: #166 darthstar

Okay…I heard on the news this morning that the fertilizer plant posed no risk to the community and a fire, let alone an explosion, was at best a remote possibility. 54,000 pounds of anhydrous ammonia not a risk? Stupid fuckers (and I mean the state and local officials who bought this horseshit).

Which means most likely the plant is under insured. And if it’s part of a larger conglomerate there will probably be some move fairly quickly (if not already in place) that will limit liability climbing the corporate ladder and finding larger bank accounts.

There are simply lots of cases where “it won’t happen to us” goes on for a long period of time, and then it does happen and the results wipe out years and years of previous profits (or insurance premiums if you’re the insurer.)

One company I worked for dumped off a small (but annually profitable) plant because they did the analysis and figured that a spill of material* while being transported was eventually going to happen. And that the clean-up and legal costs were going to cost the equivalent to decades of the plant’s profits. Not to mention that the plant site itself was so heavily contaminated from over a century of making coke and steel there. Some potential improvement projects had been scuttled simply due to the expense of disposing of soil from the site.

* - Coal tar, creosote, light oil, etc. extracted from coke ovens after the coke is removed. All this stuff is basically pretty nasty stuff and spilling it (especially into a water source) is going to bring the EPA onto your head like a ton of bricks.

172 Destro  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:20:51am

re: #170 Decatur Deb

re: #167 Destro

With a little effort you could become a Young Republican.

Why? When Democrats allow Republicans to win (they control congress and the Senate may still be a toss up and they control most state legislatures) and then send them money from their hard working states to subsidize their lunacies?

173 darthstar  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:21:12am

Here’s some fodder for the conspiracy theorists…it’s been twenty years this week since the Waco Siege.

I know…I shouldn’t feed them, but they’re so busy with false flags in Boston and Benghazi that they need help keeping up.

174 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:22:13am

It’s terrible that this happened, even worse is that there were so many buildings nearby. But, of course, this is Texas where safety regulations, building inspections and pretty much every other business regulation infringes on a business’s freedom to do what they want to maximize profit.

175 Destro  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:22:54am

re: #171 Feline Fearless Leader

Which means most likely the plant is under insured. And if it’s part of a larger conglomerate there will probably be some move fairly quickly (if not already in place) that will limit liability climbing the corporate ladder and finding larger bank accounts.

There are simply lots of cases where “it won’t happen to us” goes on for a long period of time, and then it does happen and the results wipe out years and years of previous profits (or insurance premiums if you’re the insurer.)

One company I worked for dumped off a small (but annually profitable) plant because they did the analysis and figured that a spill of material* while being transported was eventually going to happen. And that the clean-up and legal costs were going to cost the equivalent to decades of the plant’s profits. Not to mention that the plant site itself was so heavily contaminated from over a century of making coke and steel there. Some potential improvement projects had been scuttled simply due to the expense of disposing of soil from the site.

* - Coal tar, creosote, light oil, etc. extracted from coke ovens after the coke is removed. All this stuff is basically pretty nasty stuff and spilling it (especially into a water source) is going to bring the EPA onto your head like a ton of bricks.

God knows how many “Oops” moments were are away from having a “Bhopal, India” like disaster happen in one of these deregulated - nearly third world level infrastructure American states?

176 celticdragon  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:23:05am

Texas has some history with fertilizer explosions…

The Texas City fertilizer explosion in 1947 killed hundreds and injured thousands.

177 Destro  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:25:34am

re: #176 celticdragon

Texas has some history with fertilizer explosions…

The Texas City fertilizer explosion in 1947 killed hundreds and injured thousands.

1947? Pffft, for our culture that’s ancient history.I mean the Great Depression was like in the 30s - a million years ago - that’s why it was OK to get rid of New Deal era laws like Glass–Steagall Act.

Oh, wait…. OOps!

178 Decatur Deb  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:25:45am

re: #172 Destro

Why? When Democrats allow Republicans to win and then send them money from their hard working states to subsidize their lunacies?

Your statements are Freep outcry with the victims reversed. It will get you to the same place—a shattered social system with little community identity. The battle to see the day when ‘man will not be wolf to man’ is slow, difficult, and constantly undone by the frustrated.

179 Dr. Matt  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:26:09am

Foxtards are the ones that started the “Saudi deportation” bullshit

File this under: Not shocked.

180 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:27:42am

re: #179 Dr. Matt

Foxtards are the ones that started the “Saudi deportation” bullshit

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File is under: Not shocked.

Now they are all Derping “RICIN GUY IZ A LIBRUL DEMOCRAT!!11!!” meme launched by none other than Dim Jim.

They don’t bother to explain why a LIBRUL DEMOCRAT would send a poison letter to POTUS.

181 Destro  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:29:10am

re: #178 Decatur Deb

Your statements are Freep outcry with the victims reversed. It will get you to the same place—a shattered social system with little community identity. The battle to see the day when ‘man will not be wolf to man’ is slow, difficult, and constantly undone by the frustrated.

The difference is that my way may convert them out of their lunacy. These Republican isolationists are such because they are subsidized by Democrat State money - my fucking money is paying for these states that don’t reciprocate back - see Sandy Relief vote.

I believe in reciprocity. Was that returned? No? Then what?

I view this as the GOP being teenagers who think they can make it on their own and hate their parents and then the parents let the teenager have his wish and and cut off his allowance and cable and internet. The teenager may run away or he may come to his senses.

It’s a gamble I am willing to take.

182 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:29:43am

re: #180 Vicious Babushka

Now they are all Derping “RICIN GUY IZ A LIBRUL DEMOCRAT!!11!!” meme launched by none other than Dim Jim.

They don’t bother to explain why a LIBRUL DEMOCRAT would send a poison letter to POTUS.

Because LIBRULS are upset that Obama has not seized all the guns and declared the SOCIALIST ISLAMIC MONARCHY yet.
:p
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183 Destro  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:30:55am

re: #182 Feline Fearless Leader

Because LIBRULS are upset that Obama has not seized all the guns and declared the SOCIALIST ISLAMIC MONARCHY yet.
:p
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I don’t get why Conservatives hate Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia is like the social conservatives’ paradise. And Christians. if it is the Jesus think that hangs you up on Saudi Arabian love, Jesus is the messiah in Islam and the son of God born to virgin.

184 Bulworth  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:31:01am

re: #162 Vicious Babushka

Gah. Dim Jim’s meme that “Ricin Guy iz a LIBRUL” is going viral. Uch.

Librul ricin guy sent poison to POTUS becuz DRONES!!!

185 Decatur Deb  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:34:29am

re: #181 Destro

The difference is that my way may convert them out of their lunacy. These Republican isolationists are such because they are subsidized by Democrat State money - my fucking money is paying for these states that don’t reciprocate back - see Sandy Relief vote.

I believe in reciprocity. Was that returned? No? Then what?

I view this as the GOP being teenagers who think they can make it on their own and hate their parents and then the parents let the teenager have his wish and and cut off his allowance and cable and internet. The teenager may run away or he may come to his senses.

It’s a gamble I am willing to take.

Leaving a helpless fool to wander the ruins of his town is not an effective way to win his heart and mind. It’s bullshit punitive machismo. Settle in for the 1000-yr war or at least quit pissing in the well.

186 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:35:30am

So ricin guy was the rare Ted-Nugent-fan, birther Democrat?

Riiiggghhtttt….

187 Jocko's Rocket Ship  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:36:27am

That bumper sticker was the first thing that came up for me on a google image search. My first thought was, “how does a middle-aged Elvis impersonator in MS afford a late-model Lexus?” All things considered it seems to me he was mocking a bumper stick saw on another person’s car (“this jackass thinks you can be a Christian and a democrat!)

188 Lidane  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:36:59am
189 Lidane  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:38:03am

re: #183 Destro

I don’t get why Conservatives hate Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia is like the social conservatives’ paradise. And Christians.

Because white Republican Objectivist Jesus is the one true God. That’s why.

190 Lidane  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:41:28am
191 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:42:48am

re: #165 GeneJockey

Hell, most red COUNTIES in any state, red or blue, are mooching off the blue urban counties, since the latter are where most Americans actually live, and work, and pay taxes.

But try telling that to a Conservative - no matter what your source, it’s ‘biased’, ‘skewed’, or ‘they can make the study turn out any way they want’. He’ll just KNOW it’s not true, and that trumps actual data.

How much of that “mooching” is essentially basic services? Roads, electricity, mail service, etc? Simply with scale you’re going to see that cost more in larger states. And a lot of those have low population densities and would never be able to capitalize them on their own.

And I would rather have that than a 30s landscape where you can get fifty (heck, probably

192 Gus  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:44:59am

I send mind beam paranormal messages to The Great Atom and the He Engineer of the Sky to comfort the victims of this week’s tragedies. //

193 kirkspencer  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:45:19am

re: #180 Vicious Babushka

Now they are all Derping “RICIN GUY IZ A LIBRUL DEMOCRAT!!11!!” meme launched by none other than Dim Jim.

They don’t bother to explain why a LIBRUL DEMOCRAT would send a poison letter to POTUS.

Nope. Some things I’ve found following their links and then reading sources:

supporting the “democrat” meme: He claimed to be a liberal on sodahead. He says he voted for Trent Kelly in the most recent DA election. Kelly was a Republican this time, but ran as Democrat four years ago. (Remember this is Tupelo, MS.)

Against the “democrat” meme: he’s a conspiracist, and his conspiracy choices are typical of the freepers. Obama’s a commie, we’re a nation going to hell ever since prayer was forbidden in schools, and they’re taking our guns. He officially registered as independent, and claims that on any websites other than sodahead where he makes that statement. He claims he voted against Obama both times.

He’s got a favorite conspiracy, however, that’s unique. He’s got a claim that he stumbled across a body parts smuggling operation that is mutually supported by both the Mafia and the US Government. The conspirators have acted against him: “They burned down my home, killed my dogs, my cat, my rabbit, blew up my 1966 Plymouth Valent. They destroyed my marriage, they distracted my career, they stalked, they trolled, they came in to my home, took my computers, had me arrested 22 times and guess what? I am still a thorn in their corrupt asses!”

In the end, he might turn out to be a democrat, but I ask folk to recall if so it’s a Tupelo MS democrat, which in all but the deep south would be called “very conservative.”

194 erik_t  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:48:11am

re: #193 kirkspencer

He’s a nut, nothing more. We all know the fringiest of the fringe bend back around and converge on each other in what I like to call the asscrack of the political spectrum.

(yes, this means moderates are, technically, dicks)

195 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:50:38am

re: #193 kirkspencer

Regarding the “body parts trafficking” there is a network in that kind of thing, and there have been major scandals where funeral homes, hospitals and doctors’ offices were involved. However finding a “cache” of body parts in a morgue is hardly evidence of anything other than a morgue is the most likely place that you will find body parts.

196 Lidane  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:51:46am
197 Decatur Deb  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:51:53am

re: #195 Vicious Babushka

Regarding the “body parts trafficking” there is a network in that kind of thing, and there have been major scandals where funeral homes, hospitals and doctors’ offices were involved. However finding a “cache” of body parts in a morgue is hardly evidence of anything other than a morgue is the most likely place that you will find body parts.

With ‘sell-by’ dates and BOGO stickers?

198 HappyWarrior  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:54:41am

re: #196 Lidane

Disgraceful.

199 BongCrodny  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:56:07am

re: #180 Vicious Babushka

Now they are all Derping “RICIN GUY IZ A LIBRUL DEMOCRAT!!11!!” meme launched by none other than Dim Jim.

They don’t bother to explain why a LIBRUL DEMOCRAT would send a poison letter to POTUS.

I can’t seem to access his Facebook page, but if I’m not misremembering this, Curtis had a “like” of a local district attorney who was a Democrat-turned-Republican.

Politically, he seems to be all over the road.

200 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:56:38am

re: #199 BongCrodny

I can’t seem to access his Facebook page, but if I’m not misremembering this, Curtis had a “like” of a local district attorney who was a Democrat-turned-Republican.

Politically, he seems to be all over the road.

Facebook has probably taken the page down by now.

201 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:57:24am

Wingnuts keep re-Tweeting the DERP FAIL even though a simple Google search proves them wrong

202 kirkspencer  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:57:34am

re: #199 BongCrodny

I can’t seem to access his Facebook page, but if I’m not misremembering this, Curtis had a “like” of a local district attorney who was a Democrat-turned-Republican.

Politically, he seems to be all over the road.

Trent Kelly. Yes.

203 HappyWarrior  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:58:05am

I’d suspect Curtis is one of those paleo-libertarian types. Ones that idiot hacks like DimJim act like are liberals because they’re not hawkish on foreign policy.

204 Destro  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:58:14am

re: #193 kirkspencer

re: #199 BongCrodny

I can’t seem to access his Facebook page, but if I’m not misremembering this, Curtis had a “like” of a local district attorney who was a Democrat-turned-Republican.

Politically, he seems to be all over the road.

Remember that crazy guy that crashed his small plane into a building? As well as the mass shooter that shot Rep. Giffords? They were/are crazy but in their rants they seemed to incorporate the crazy conspiracies of both the left and the right wing. Maybe people of that mental state just latch onto everything that fits into their warped world view.

Also, I think that rogue cop in California also ranted in ways that were influenced by left wing and right wing memes.

So that maybe how mentally ill people process information?

205 A Mom Anon  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:59:18am

re: #199 BongCrodny

I saw it this morning and if it is the same guy, he had a photo collage of Obama’s mother ,some of the pics supposedly are her naked, and some smart ass comment about liberals being hypocrites and durrhurr. Most of what I saw was wingnutty not moonbatty.

206 Destro  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 9:00:14am

re: #205 A Mom Anon

I saw it this morning and if it is the same guy, he had a photo collage of Obama’s mother ,some of the pics supposedly are her naked, and some smart ass comment about liberals being hypocrites and durrhurr. Most of what I saw was wingnutty not moonbatty.

What’s the difference between moonbat and wingnut again?

207 HappyWarrior  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 9:00:39am

re: #205 A Mom Anon

I saw it this morning and if it is the same guy, he had a photo collage of Obama’s mother ,some of the pics supposedly are her naked, and some smart ass comment about liberals being hypocrites and durrhurr. Most of what I saw was wingnutty not moonbatty.

Yeah I saw that too and the whine “If this had been Bush’s mother or Romney’ smother, we’d hear about this.” Guy doesn’t seem that left wing to me. As I said, I suspect a paleo-libertarian since they have some views that are twisted to be defined as “liberal.”

208 Bubblehead II  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 9:01:51am

This makes me wonder what else they may have been fudging.

Texas fertilizer plant in devastating explosion was cited for 2006 permit violation

The Texas fertilizer plant where an explosion injured more than 100 people and killed an unknown number of others was cited for failing to obtain or to qualify for a permit in 2006.

209 Decatur Deb  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 9:01:55am

re: #205 A Mom Anon

I saw it this morning and if it is the same guy, he had a photo collage of Obama’s mother ,some of the pics supposedly are her naked, and some smart ass comment about liberals being hypocrites and durrhurr. Most of what I saw was wingnutty not moonbatty.

The boundaries between GOP and Dem around here are totally porous. It’s largely a matter of which party has room for a run in their primary. After Artur Davis, there are very few Alabama Dems I’m going to commit to.

210 Decatur Deb  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 9:03:22am

re: #206 Destro

What’s the difference between moonbat and wingnut again?

We use Moon—left, Wing—right. That’s only a relatively recent LGF convention, but it seems to have spread a bit.

211 HappyWarrior  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 9:04:25am

re: #209 Decatur Deb

The boundaries between GOP and Dem around here are totally porous. It’s largely a matter of which party has room for a run in their primary. After Artur Davis, there are very few Alabama Dems I’m going to commit to.

And Artur Davis has moved up here to reinvent himself as a Virginia Republican. Really, I hate to sound like a dick but that shit pisses me off, he quits the Democratic party because he claims it’s grown too radical for another party and won’t even run in his homestate. That seems to me to be an admission that he’s still probably too “liberal” for the Alabama GOP. Going to get real annoyed by him trying to paint one of our NoVa Democrats as some kind of firebreathing radical.

212 BongCrodny  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 9:05:07am

re: #205 A Mom Anon

I saw it this morning and if it is the same guy, he had a photo collage of Obama’s mother ,some of the pics supposedly are her naked, and some smart ass comment about liberals being hypocrites and durrhurr. Most of what I saw was wingnutty not moonbatty.

Yeah, I saw those here, courtesy of Gus.

I read a post by Curtis about the Trayvon Martin case, where he came down *strongly* on the pro-Trayvon side. While I wouldn’t say it’s a slam dunk, for the most part that issue seems to be divided on a left-right basis.

213 thedopefishlives  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 9:07:32am

re: #206 Destro

What’s the difference between moonbat and wingnut again?

Font color.

214 Decatur Deb  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 9:07:32am

re: #212 BongCrodny

Yeah, I saw those here, courtesy of Gus.

I read a post by Curtis about the Trayvon Martin case, where he came down *strongly* on the pro-Trayvon side. While I wouldn’t say it’s a slam dunk, for the most part that issue seems to be divided on a left-right basis.

Yep, but this guy saw himself as ‘show biz’. That would complicate the self-identity.

215 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 9:11:03am

Wingnuts want MOAR MEDIA FAIL

216 BongCrodny  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 9:12:47am

re: #214 Decatur Deb

Yep, but this guy saw himself as ‘show biz’. That would complicate the self-identity.

Yep. Kirk’s analysis above was spot on.

217 CuriousLurker  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 9:13:30am

Dammit, this is exactly the sort of thing I mentioned being concerned about yesterday with regard to crowd-sourcing photos in search of the Boston bomber(s). Added emphasis mine:

New York Post fingers two Boston “Bag Men”

The New York Post’s front page today is given over to a photo of two purported suspects in the bombings at the Boston Marathon.

One problem: they’re not actually the suspects.

That’s what CBS’s John Miller stated this morning. CBS News was one of the outlets, unlike CNN, the AP, and Fox News, that did not report an arrest during yesterday’s flurry of misinformation; the Post, meanwhile, has been pilloried for its reporting in the immediate aftermath of the bombing, including its claim that 12 had died.

And the Post’s article, coming as it does after a provocative front page that calls the pair “Bag Men” (common slang for a criminal), surprisingly comes short of actually calling the two men suspects. Those readers who choose to parse the Post’s reporting on a crowded subway car will find that the men are in photos (one of a crowd scene) being purportedly circulated by authorities, but “two potential suspects” caught on video who’ve been fingered may or may not even be the same people.

Yeah, I SO sure the Post’s readers are going to carefully parse every word. //

If you read the Deadspin article that Salon links to, you’ll see that one of the guys is a Revere High School middle-distance runner, and the Boston Globe has stated that an official said that “the two suspects were seen separately on videotape — one at each of the two bombing sites, which are located about a block apart.” Oh, and his backpack isn’t even the right color.

But, yeah, let’s ruin this kid’s life if it can garner us some traffic. WTF?

218 Cardio (formerly JRCMYP)  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 9:15:10am

Why in the world did that man film a burning FERTILIZER plant from that distance—let along with his CHILD in the backseat. Holy hell.

219 dragonath  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 9:19:02am

re: #171 Feline Fearless Leader

Nearby steel plant used to have a coking complex. Made the town smell like hell but at least it was relatively far away from any residential stuff.

This isn’t the first time there’s been a fertilizer plant explosion- there’s history and precedent. Even if the plant was built a 100 years ago, someone should have had some kind of common sense not to build a school next to it.

It feels like reliving the Jonestown Flood.

220 GeneJockey  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 9:19:32am

re: #191 Feline Fearless Leader

Oh, of course! That’s basic services like roads, fire, police, schools, libraries, and of course various forms of poverty programs, since rural poverty is higher than urban, generally. The point is that the general belief among rural Conservatives - and probably Conservatives in general - is that hard working rural (white) folks’ taxes pay for the lazy, shiftless (nonwhite) urban welfare queens, bucks on street corners, illegal immigrants sucking on the government teat, and all those (white) college graduates who majored in Art History or Lesbian Studies so they can’t find jobs.

It’s just galling - they don’t even consider that a county with 5,000 people can’t possibly pay for its own services, let alone those of a county with several million people, nor do they consider that metro areas are where MOST PEOPLE LIVE, work, pay taxes, etc. And it’s also where rich people live.

Believe me, I’ve had the argument, I’ve looked up and posted the figures, but it violates their Belief, so it CAN NOT be true. I don’t REALLY want MS and AL and other poor red states to suffer, but when they talk about seceding it’s REALLY TEMPTING to let them go and see how they do.

221 Jan Smiddy  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 9:19:52am

And it moves on to the wingnut stage. Heard some talk radio wingnut telling the blow hard host to “connect the dots” between the fertilizer factory and the Boston bombing. Obviously now the guvmint is coming for our gun powder and fertilizer. The derp is deep.

222 Killgore Trout  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 9:20:05am

re: #217 CuriousLurker

Yeah, this is where the online investigation stuff goes over the line. I’m supportive if people want to look through the pictures/video and do a bit of sleuthing and looking for clues. However, naming people and publishing personal information is irresponsible and dangerous. A look at the guy’s facebook page should have told them that he’s a runner and his presence at the race is nothing unusual.

223 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 9:21:58am

re: #217 CuriousLurker

224 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 9:22:10am

re: #176 celticdragon

Texas has some history with fertilizer explosions…

The Texas City fertilizer explosion in 1947 killed hundreds and injured thousands.

It’s happened a few times. Here is a spreadsheet list of major ammonium nitrate accidents since 1921.

225 Jan Smiddy  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 9:22:46am

And then they came for the pressure cookers. But I didn’t own one and was silent. Apologies to Niebauer.

226 kirkspencer  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 9:23:44am

re: #218 Cardio (formerly JRCMYP)

Why in the world did that man film a burning FERTILIZER plant from that distance—let along with his CHILD in the backseat. Holy hell.

Ignorance.

Look, most people have no clue how far the effects of a blast extend until they’ve experienced it - and I don’t mean from some stack of firecrackers. Since as a rule experiencing it requires either being near disaster or being in a profession that requires it and both those are uncommon, ignorance dominates.

He thought he was safe. He was outside the property fence, and nobody was putting out any warnings.

As to why his child was along, there’s a decent chance she (I think) asked to go along. They do, when Dad says, “Wow, look at that. I’m gonna go film it.” The other possibility, of course, was that Dad was driving home from Waco after picking up the child from some sort of practice, saw it, and pulled over to film. And during the fire part the child was probably interested - maybe declining to bored, right up to BOOM “Daddy let’s leave let’s get out of here.”

227 Bulworth  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 9:24:46am

re: #215 Vicious Babushka

Which conspiracy is this?

228 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 9:25:25am

MOAR DIM JIM FAIL

229 CuriousLurker  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 9:26:20am

re: #222 Killgore Trout

Yeah, this is where the online investigation stuff goes over the line. I’m supportive if people want to look through the pictures/video and do a bit of sleuthing and looking for clues. However, naming people and publishing personal information is irresponsible and dangerous. A look at the guy’s facebook page should have told them that he’s a runner and his presence at the race is nothing unusual.

Exactly.

230 HappyWarrior  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 9:26:31am

re: #228 Vicious Babushka

MOAR DIM JIM FAIL

Is he trying to get that Saudi student attacked? Seriously he should just quit.

231 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 9:27:02am

re: #193 kirkspencer

Republicn? Democrat?

Sounds to me more like paranoid schizophrenic.

232 geoffm33  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 9:27:18am

re: #228 Vicious Babushka

MOAR DIM JIM FAIL

You know who else posed in pictures?

233 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 9:27:46am

re: #230 HappyWarrior

Is he trying to get that Saudi student attacked? Seriously he should just quit.

Is there grounds for this kid to sue him for libel, invasion of privacy and reckless endangerment, the same way that Breitbart and O’Keefe lost their pants?

234 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 9:27:58am

re: #230 HappyWarrior

Is he trying to get that Saudi student attacked? Seriously he should just quit.

He probably is; he’s trying to foment a lynch mob.

235 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 9:29:35am

*HEAD DESK*

236 geoffm33  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 9:30:57am

re: #235 Vicious Babushka

PROOOOOF

237 thedopefishlives  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 9:31:35am

re: #236 geoffm33

PROOOOOF

Proof? You can’t HANDLE the proof!

238 Cardio (formerly JRCMYP)  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 9:31:49am

re: #226 kirkspencer

Ignorance.

Look, most people have no clue how far the effects of a blast extend until they’ve experienced it - and I don’t mean from some stack of firecrackers. Since as a rule experiencing it requires either being near disaster or being in a profession that requires it and both those are uncommon, ignorance dominates.

He thought he was safe. He was outside the property fence, and nobody was putting out any warnings.

As to why his child was along, there’s a decent chance she (I think) asked to go along. They do, when Dad says, “Wow, look at that. I’m gonna go film it.” The other possibility, of course, was that Dad was driving home from Waco after picking up the child from some sort of practice, saw it, and pulled over to film. And during the fire part the child was probably interested - maybe declining to bored, right up to BOOM “Daddy let’s leave let’s get out of here.”

I have zero experience with fertilizer plants. But as soon as I started watching this (and this is the first video of it I watched and the first report I read—I live in Boston and have been distracted by other things) my first thought was “this guy reminds me of the idiots that like to watch hurricane force waves from the beach. He’s too close.” Sure enough “boom.”

I’m no expert. I just have common sense. I wouldn’t have come within miles of that plant myself, let alone with my child.

239 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 9:32:08am

That is probably not even his car, he saw somebody else’s bumper sticker and decided to snap a photo.

How many people take pictures of bumper stickers ON THEIR OWN CARS? You can go on to FReep and find a shitload of LIBRUL BUMPER STICKERS they are pointing at and making fun of.

240 Dr. Matt  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 9:32:41am

re: #235 Vicious Babushka

AND HERE IT IS: Ricin suspect is an Elvis impersonating DEMOCRAT pissed about losing his job — theblaze.com/stories/2013/0…#p2 #uniteblue
— Rob (@rovibe71) April 18, 2013

If indeed he is a member of Mensa, that’s pretty damning evidence that he’s a not a conservative.

241 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 9:33:17am

re: #235 Vicious Babushka

*HEAD DESK*

hey! that bumper sticker also says “Christian” and it has top billing..

242 Bulworth  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 9:33:44am

re: #235 Vicious Babushka

*HEAD DESK*

Confirmed. Fact. /

243 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 9:34:11am

re: #240 Dr. Matt

If indeed he is a member of Mensa, that’s pretty damning evidence that he’s a not a conservative.

Most people who are smart enough to get into Mensa are also smart enough to not want to.

244 Bulworth  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 9:35:12am

re: #228 Vicious Babushka

Get another Accuracy In Media award lined up……

/

245 GeneJockey  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 9:36:46am

re: #239 Vicious Babushka

That is probably not even his car, he saw somebody else’s bumper sticker and decided to snap a photo.

Shouldn’t it be possible to establish whether or not he ever registered a Lexus? Since he bitches about his ‘66 Plymouth Valiant being blown up, and losing his job, he doesn’t really seem to be Lexus material…

246 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 9:37:39am

re: #245 GeneJockey

Shouldn’t it be possible to establish whether or not he ever registered a Lexus? Since he bitches about his ‘66 Plymouth Valiant being blown up, and losing his job, he doesn’t really seem to be Lexus material…

Good point.

247 geoffm33  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 9:38:26am

re: #119 danarchy

This did my heart good to see last night.

Boston Bruins National Anthem

Just read this:

“I’m sure that the people didn’t even realize how much help I actually did need. It was wonderful. The sound was carrying me, lifting me up in the room. It was just something indescribable,” Rancourt said in an interview on WEEI’s Dennis & Callahan program Thursday morning. “I’m afraid I would have probably broken up a few times during the anthem. I’m not ashamed to admit that.”

boston.com

248 Lidane  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 9:40:46am

re: #217 CuriousLurker

But, yeah, let’s ruin this kid’s life if it can garner us some traffic. WTF?

Apparently, the Post likes writing large settlement checks.

249 Lidane  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 9:41:58am

re: #230 HappyWarrior

Is he trying to get that Saudi student attacked?

Yes. And possibly worse.

Seriously he should just quit.

He knows his audience. Those gibbering idiots love having their fear fetish catered to.

250 HappyWarrior  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 9:42:55am

re: #233 Vicious Babushka

Is there grounds for this kid to sue him for libel, invasion of privacy and reckless endangerment, the same way that Breitbart and O’Keefe lost their pants?

I have no idea. But I am sick of him trying to act like this kid is a suspect. If this kid gets hurt, I think he’s got to bear some responsibility.

251 Lidane  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 9:44:00am

Cue the ‘splodey heads:

252 HappyWarrior  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 9:44:56am

It seems to me that Blaze care more about Curtis being a “democrat” and “liberal” then they do the fact that the guy was caught. Anything to make the left look bad even though it seems that this guy was more right wing than left wing. One tweet that can be rightfully or wrongly interpreted as left wing, then he’s a Democrat! I swear these people would be cheering on the Salem Witch Trials if we lived in 1692 Massachusetts.

253 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 9:45:20am

This incident is bringing out the worst in American journalism, Tweeting and general inability to wait for information before reaching boneheaded conclusions based on preconceived notions.

254 Lidane  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 9:45:25am

More ‘splodey material:

255 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 9:45:47am

SECOND AMENDMENT: The theory that there will be no homicide investigation of a woman, with ballistic residue on her hands, who says of a dead man shot in the back “He tried to rape me!”

256 Lidane  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 9:46:49am

re: #252 HappyWarrior

I swear these people would be cheering on the Salem Witch Trials if we lived in 1692 Massachusetts.

Of course they would.

Hell, they’d bring the witch trials back now, only they’d target gays, women, liberals, union members, and minorities.

257 A Mom Anon  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 9:47:01am

re: #248 Lidane

CNN had to pay Jewell too, though not as much as the Post. One would think the legal depts of both of these companies would have raised flags with the money people but I guess not.

258 Destro  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 9:47:06am

re: #185 Decatur Deb

Leaving a helpless fool to wander the ruins of his town is not an effective way to win his heart and mind. It’s bullshit punitive machismo. Settle in for the 1000-yr war or at least quit pissing in the well.

I am confused, you plus oned me while critiquing my statement? If you meant to minus me I want to have you aware of the error.

259 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 9:48:53am

re: #257 A Mom Anon

CNN had to pay Jewell too, though not as much as the Post. One would think the legal depts of both of these companies would have raised flags with the money people but I guess not.

you assume a level of business and professional competence in these firms that is not at all confirmed by the quality of their reporting

260 Dr. Matt  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 9:49:14am

If I were a Bostonian Lawyer, I would be reaching out to this young man. A hefty lawsuit could be in his future.

261 Lidane  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 9:50:15am

re: #253 Sol Berdinowitz

This incident is bringing out the worst in American journalism, Tweeting and general inability to wait for information before reaching boneheaded conclusions based on preconceived notions.

I like social media. Hell, my MBA was focused on it and on how to effectively use it. But these sorts of events bring out the worst in the immediacy of Twitter and Facebook. Something bad happens, then a bunch of knees jerk, and the bad information sticks around.

It’s annoying. And in this case, with these “suspects” being targeted by the Real Americans that have gone full retard, someone could get hurt.

262 kerFuFFler  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 9:50:31am

Tomorrow is the 20th anniversary of end of the siege at Waco. I read that officials believe this disaster started as an accidental fire that lead to the explosion, but the timing seems a little suspicious to me. I wonder after such a blast if investigators will be able to determine the cause of the fire.

263 HappyWarrior  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 9:50:37am

re: #260 Dr. Matt

If I were a Bostonian Lawyer, I would be reaching out to this young man.

I hope one is. It really seems that Hoft wants to get that kid attacked. He knows damn well that the kid is not a suspect and yet he still engages in it. Why? Because Hoft cares more about his anti Muslim bigotry than finding out who really did this.

264 geoffm33  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 9:52:44am
“There is a piece of Boston in me.” President Obama

Cue the birthers….

265 Lidane  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 9:53:09am

re: #262 kerFuFFler

Tomorrow is the 20th anniversary of end of the siege at Waco. I read that officials believe this disaster started as an accidental fire that lead to the explosion, but the timing seems a little suspicious to me. I wonder after such a blast if investigators will be able to determine the cause of the fire.

The same plant got in trouble for not having a risk assesment plan that met federal standards, and they thought explosions like this one were impossible:

slate.com

I’m putting my money on total incompetence at the plant long before I’ll put it on some jackwagon trying to get revenge for the Branch Davidians.

266 Bulworth  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 9:53:44am

re: #255 Vicious Babushka

Empowered women want criminals, the mentally ill and Glenn Beck—but I repeat myself—to be able to buy guns from guns shows without a background check?

267 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 9:55:00am

re: #266 Bulworth

Empowered women want criminals, the mentally ill and Glenn Beck—but I repeat myself—to be able to buy guns from guns shows without a background check?

The wingnut meme is that only a GUN will stop a rapist. They don’t explain how having A GUN helps if someone sneaks a roofie into a girl’s drink.

268 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 9:55:47am
269 geoffm33  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 9:56:28am
“This doesn’t stop us. And that’s what you’ve’ taught us, Boston. That’s what you’ve reminded us — to push, to not grow weary, to not get faint, even when it hurts. We finish the race. And we do that because of who we are and we do that because we know that somewhere around the bend, a stranger has a cup of water. Around the bend, somebody’s there to boost our spirits. On that toughest mile, just when we think we’ve hit a wall, someone will be there to cheer us on and pick up.”

Barack Obama from Boston Interfaith Service

270 HappyWarrior  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 9:56:34am

re: #266 Bulworth

Empowered women want criminals, the mentally ill and Glenn Beck—but I repeat myself—to be able to buy guns from guns shows without a background check?

Yeah I don’t see why the defeat of expanded background checks is cause for rejoicing. Shit this is something that Pat Toomey was getting behind. Pat Toomey who is hardly left wing in the slightest and representing a state with tons of gun owners and a senator from West Virginia.

271 Lidane  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 9:56:52am

re: #267 Vicious Babushka

The wingnut meme is that only a GUN will stop a rapist. They don’t explain how having A GUN helps if someone sneaks a roofie into a girl’s drink.

Duh. She’ll be able to shoot all the hallucinations she’s seeing before she passes out.

272 blueraven  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 9:57:34am

re: #258 Destro

I am confused, you plus oned me while critiquing my statement? If you meant to minus me I want to have you aware of the error.

Some people can actually strongly disagree while respecting that the other person may have a different point of view. It is about debating the issues, not personal attacks. A much better way to try to change hearts and minds.

273 HappyWarrior  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 9:58:06am

re: #267 Vicious Babushka

The wingnut meme is that only a GUN will stop a rapist. They don’t explain how having A GUN helps if someone sneaks a roofie into a girl’s drink.

Or if you’re caught from behind in the dark or inside when you can’t immediately get your weapon. Really these fucking fantasies about guns have to stop. I understand why people want guns for protection but I’m tired of the gun advocates acting like only a gun will save people and that all these situations will result in someone with a gun being able to save themselves or someone else.

275 wrenchwench  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:01:39am

re: #258 Destro

I am confused, you plus oned me while critiquing my statement? If you meant to minus me I want to have you aware of the error.

Decatur Deb is sneaky that way. He’ll show you respect while disagreeing with you. Don’t fall for it! It may cause you to rethink your position!

277 Decatur Deb  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:01:57am

re: #258 Destro

I am confused, you plus oned me while critiquing my statement? If you meant to minus me I want to have you aware of the error.

re: #272 blueraven

littlegreenfootballs.com

What they said..

278 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:02:19am

re: #273 HappyWarrior

Or if you’re caught from behind in the dark or inside when you can’t immediately get your weapon. Really these fucking fantasies about guns have to stop. I understand why people want guns for protection but I’m tired of the gun advocates acting like only a gun will save people and that all these situations will result in someone with a gun being able to save themselves or someone else.

It has nothing to do with reason or logic, it has to do with justifying their fetishization of guns as magic totems that help prevent crime and tyranny.

279 Political Atheist  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:02:43am

Looking at the real MSDS data, anhydrous ammonia is not that easy to set off like that. It takes extreme conditions.

Fire and Explosion Hazard Data

Flashpoint: None
Flammable Limits in Air: LEL/UEL 16% to 25% (listed as 15% to 28% in the NIOSH Pocket Guide to Chemical Hazards.)
Extinguishing Media: Dry Chemical, CO2, water spray or alcohol-resistant foam if gas flow cannot be stopped
Auto Ignition Temperature: 1,204°F (If catalyzed), 1,570°F (If un-catalyzed)

Special Fire-Fighting Procedure
Must wear protective clothing and a positive pressure SCBA. Stop source if possible. If a portable container (such as a cylinder or trailer) can be moved from the fire area without risk to the individual, do so to prevent the pressure relief valve of the trailer from discharging or the cylinder from rupturing. Fight fires using dry chemical, carbon dioxide, water spray or alcohol-resistant foam. Cool fire-exposed containers with water spray. Stay upwind when containers are threatened. Use water spray to knock down vapor and dilute.

Unusual Fire and Explosion Hazards
• Outdoors, ammonia is not generally a fire hazard. Indoors, in confined areas, ammonia may be a fire hazard, especially if oil and other combustible materials are present. Combustion may form toxic nitrogen oxides.
• If relief valves are inoperative, heat exposed storage containers may become explosion hazards due to over pressurization.


Chemical Reactivity

Stability
Stable at room temperature. Heating a closed container above room temperature causes vapor pressure to increase rapidly. Anhydrous ammonia will react exothermically with acids and water. Will not polymerize.

Conditions to Avoid
Anhydrous ammonia has potentially explosive reactions with strong oxidizers. Anhydrous ammonia forms explosive mixtures in air with hydrocarbons, chlorine, fluorine and silver nitrate. Anhydrous ammonia reacts to form explosive products, mixtures or compounds with mercury, gold, silver, iodine, bromine, silver oxide and silver chloride.


Avoid anhydrous ammonia contact with chlorine, which forms a chloramine gas, which is a primary skin irritant and sensitizer. Anhydrous ammonia is incompatible with acetaldehyde, acrolein, boron, chloric acid, chlorine monoxide, chlorites, nitrogen tetroxide, perchlorate, sulfur, tin and strong acids.

Avoid contact with galvanized surfaces, copper, brass, bronze, mercury, gold and silver. A corrosive reaction will occur.


Spill or Leak Procedures

Steps to be Taken
Stop source of leak if possible, provided it can be done in a safe manner. Leave the area of a spill by moving laterally and upwind. Isolate the affected area. Non-responders should evacuate the area, or shelter in place. Only properly trained and equipped persons should respond to an ammonia release. Wear eye, hand and respiratory protection and protective clothing; see PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT. Stay upwind and use water spray downwind of container to absorb the evolved gas. Contain spill and runoff from entering drains, sewers, and water systems by utilizing methods such as diking, containment, and absorption. CAUTION: ADDING WATER DIRECTLY TO LIQUID SPILLS WILL INCREASE VOLATILIZATION OF AMMONIA, THUS INCREASING THE POSSIBILITY OF EXPOSURE.

280 erik_t  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:02:57am

re: #278 Sol Berdinowitz

It has nothing to do with reason or logic, it has to do with justifying their fetishization of guns as magic totems that help prevent crime and tyranny.

Magical Republican talisman-thinking automatic upding.

281 wrenchwench  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:03:25am

re: #277 Decatur Deb

re: #272 blueraven

What he said..

Damn, I missed that one.

282 geoffm33  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:04:14am

re: #278 Sol Berdinowitz

It has nothing to do with reason or logic, it has to do with justifying their fetishization of guns as magic totems that help prevent crime and tyranny.

And at the end of the day….WHAT THE F*CK DOES ANY OF THAT NONSENSE HAVE TO DO WITH BACKGROUND CHECKS?

I realize there was more than just the BG checks up for a vote in separate bills, but these nuts are trotting out every boogeyman in the book to fight sensible BG checks.

283 HappyWarrior  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:04:51am

re: #278 Sol Berdinowitz

It has nothing to do with reason or logic, it has to do with justifying their fetishization of guns as magic totems that help prevent crime and tyranny.

SO the only question is how do I shoot, do I press the X or A button? And how many lives do I get?

284 Bulworth  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:05:05am

re: #282 geoffm33

And at the end of the day….WHAT THE F*CK DOES ANY OF THAT NONSENSE HAVE TO DO WITH BACKGROUND CHECKS?

I realize there was more than just the BG checks up for a vote in separate bills, but these nuts are trotting out every boogeyman in the book to fight sensible BG checks.

NATIONAL FEDERAL GUN REGISTRY

285 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:05:15am

re: #267 Vicious Babushka

The wingnut meme is that only a GUN will stop a rapist. They don’t explain how having A GUN helps if someone sneaks a roofie into a girl’s drink.

To paraphrase, “Forget it Jake; it’s Derptown.”

286 wrenchwench  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:05:18am
287 Decatur Deb  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:05:27am

re: #281 wrenchwench

Oll Korrected.

288 HappyWarrior  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:06:37am

re: #282 geoffm33

And at the end of the day….WHAT THE F*CK DOES ANY OF THAT NONSENSE HAVE TO DO WITH BACKGROUND CHECKS?

I realize there was more than just the BG checks up for a vote in separate bills, but these nuts are trotting out every boogeyman in the book to fight sensible BG checks.

What annoys me is the patronizing attitudes many gun nuts have. YOU DON’T WANT PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO DEFEND THEMSELVES. And it’s like uh no I just think it would be responsible to do background checks considering that we shouldn’t sell weapons to people with violent histories. YOU HATE AMERICA AND MUST BE SOME KIND OF SOCIALIST NAZI.

289 geoffm33  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:07:04am

re: #286 wrenchwench

Comma fail? Quite a declaration by Mr Kelly! ;)

290 Bulworth  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:07:10am

re: #270 HappyWarrior

Yeah, Pat f0cking Toomey, of all people. Mister Club For Growth. And Joe Manchin, Mister Shoot The Cap N Trade Bill.

291 HappyWarrior  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:07:52am

re: #286 wrenchwench

Too bad their effort failed. Not their fault but it still sucks. I hope she runs for Senate against the Republican senator in her state that voted against it. I know McCain voted for and I believe he’s retiring.

292 HappyWarrior  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:09:33am

re: #290 Bulworth

Yeah, Pat f0cking Toomey, of all people. Mister Club For Growth. And Joe Manchin, Mister Shoot The Cap N Trade Bill.

Yeah Pat F’ing Toomey. Really what the fuck. And honestly, it’s beyond annoying that something can get 54-46 and have the approval of 90% of the American people and still not pass. I am not sure how you’d change that but no wonder why not much is accomplished. One party just has to get enough of its members to throw a fit and the legislation doesn’t get passed.

293 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:10:12am

re: #282 geoffm33

And at the end of the day….WHAT THE F*CK DOES ANY OF THAT NONSENSE HAVE TO DO WITH BACKGROUND CHECKS?

Because it is a dangerous first step onto the slippery slope of Total Government Confiscation. If you are not prepared to accept this Sacred Creed, you are not worthy of taking part in the dicsussion.

/

294 Bulworth  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:10:13am

re: #291 HappyWarrior

Too bad their effort failed. Not their fault but it still sucks. I hope she runs for Senate against the Republican senator in her state that voted against it. I know McCain voted for and I believe he’s retiring.

This hasn’t been all WIN for the NRA…Connecticut and Maryland have passed pretty rigorous gun control legislation in the past month. Colorado has also recently passed gun control legislation, although I’m unsure of the specifics.

295 geoffm33  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:10:28am

re: #286 wrenchwench

From that tweet:

SENATORS say they fear the N.R.A. and the gun lobby. But I think that fear must be nothing compared to the fear the first graders in Sandy Hook Elementary School felt as their lives ended in a hail of bullets. The fear that those children who survived the massacre must feel every time they remember their teachers stacking them into closets and bathrooms, whispering that they loved them, so that love would be the last thing the students heard if the gunman found them.

nytimes.com

…and I promised myself I wouldn’t cry today :P

296 Bulworth  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:11:49am

re: #292 HappyWarrior

I had a hard time imagining a Senate, or even a Senate vote, in which four Democrats would be to the right of Senator Pat F0cking Toomey.

297 HappyWarrior  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:11:50am

re: #294 Bulworth

This hasn’t been all WIN for the NRA…Connecticut and Maryland have passed pretty rigorous gun control legislation in the past month. Colorado has also recently passed gun control legislation, although I’m unsure of the specifics.

Maryland and Connecticut are no surprise really. Colorado on the other hand.

298 wrenchwench  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:12:26am

re: #291 HappyWarrior

Too bad their effort failed. Not their fault but it still sucks. I hope she runs for Senate against the Republican senator in her state that voted against it. I know McCain voted for and I believe he’s retiring.

Kelly has been tweeting to Jeff Flake, AZ’s other senator. I think he threatened to run against him, but I haven’t been following very closely. And Flake isn’t up for reelection for quite a while.

299 HappyWarrior  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:12:59am

re: #296 Bulworth

I had a hard time imagining a Senate, or even a Senate vote, in which four Democrats would be to the right of Senator Pat F0cking Toomey.

I think and this is not a defense at all of them but I think they did it because the ones up for re-election especially are afraid of the NRA saying mean things about them in their states but still if Joe Manchin of West Virginia can sponsor this, they should have the courage to vote for such things.

300 HappyWarrior  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:13:40am

re: #298 wrenchwench

Kelly has been tweeting to Jeff Flake, AZ’s other senator. I think he threatened to run against him, but I haven’t been following very closely. And Flake isn’t up for reelection for quite a while.

Yeah Flake just won last election. I think that’s a seat that the Dems are going to heavily target in 2018.

301 Bulworth  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:14:13am

re: #298 wrenchwench

Well the NRA is hopping mad about the Maryland bill, its president David Keane himself a MD resident, and they’re promising/threatening a referendum to overturn it on the ballot for 2014. I doubt they would have the votes to repeal but a low turnout mid-term election could give it a boost.

302 Bulworth  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:15:50am

re: #299 HappyWarrior

Yeah, that’s probably it for a few of them, although the new ND Dem was just elected. Manchin I believe is also fairly new (not sure if he is serving full six year term or serving out remainder of Byrd’s).

303 iossarian  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:16:21am

re: #242 Bulworth

Confirmed. Fact. /

The double play!

304 HappyWarrior  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:17:02am

re: #301 Bulworth

Well the NRA is hopping mad about the Maryland bill, its president David Keane himself a MD resident, and they’re promising/threatening a referendum to overturn it on the ballot for 2014. I doubt they would have the votes to repeal but a low turnout mid-term election could give it a boost.

I would be shocked if such a thing passed in Maryland. Funny thing about Maryland, O’Malley actually did better in 2010 than he did in 2006. And it’s not like his opponent in 2010 was some TP nutcase. It was Bob Ehrlich whom he beat to get elected in the first place. So yeah given the tendencies of Baltimore city, the DC suburbs, and to a lesser extent the Baltimore suburbs since they are more conservative than the DC ones, I’d be shocked if it was overturned.

305 Bulworth  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:17:48am

re: #299 HappyWarrior

And in the case of the ND Dem, there just might have been overwhelming opp in her state that she felt obligated to represent. All people hear is “gun control”, which in that region is a no-go.

306 HappyWarrior  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:18:45am

re: #302 Bulworth

Yeah, that’s probably it for a few of them, although the new ND Dem was just elected. Manchin I believe is also fairly new (not sure if he is serving full six year term or serving out remainder of Byrd’s).

I think Manchin recently earned a full term. Who were the Dems that voted No? I know the Senator form ND since you mentioned her. And I know Pryor since he’s up for re-election and Arkansas is becoming more and more Republican on a legislative level.

307 Kragar  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:18:57am
308 HappyWarrior  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:19:28am

re: #305 Bulworth

And in the case of the ND Dem, there just might have been overwhelming opp in her state that she felt obligated to represent. All people hear is “gun control”, which in that region is a no-go.

Which sucks because this isn’t a black and white issue. People need to stop listening to the NRA bullshit and read what’s actually in the law.

309 Bulworth  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:19:49am

re: #306 HappyWarrior

Baucus (MT) and the other I forget

310 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:19:55am

re: #307 Kragar

Tea Party Nation is Alex Jones Lite.

311 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:20:08am

re: #307 Kragar

Tea Party Nation Suggests Obama Is Behind Boston Attack Cover-Up

BENGHAZI!!11!!11TY


312 Bulworth  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:20:37am
313 Kragar  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:20:56am

Ted Nugent Links Liberals to Boston Attack

In a WorldNetDaily column today, Ted Nugent claims that President Obama has no interest in pursuing the perpetrators behind the Boston marathon bombing and that liberals are partly to blame for the tragedy because they “champion keeping nuts out of nuthouses.”

“Liberal logic is evil’s best friend,” Nugent writes.

He adds that if the marathon bomber “is found to be from a Middle East country,” the U.S. should deport all people from the Middle East and “put a boot in their ass.”

Using Nuge’s logic, every conservative is a wife beating, domineering asshole who uses a large gun to make up for a small penis.

HOLY SHIT! HE MIGHT BE RIGHT!
/

314 HappyWarrior  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:20:59am

re: #307 Kragar

Tea Party Nation Suggests Obama Is Behind Boston Attack Cover-Up

I see they blame Virginia Tech on the left. It must be nice to be that demented where everything is the left’s fault.

315 HappyWarrior  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:21:25am

re: #309 Bulworth

Baucus (MT) and the other I forget

I think he’s up too.

316 Kragar  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:21:59am

re: #311 Vicious Babushka

Yeah, its exactly like Benghazi, in that a bunch of fucktards want to turn it into a grand government conspiracy.

317 HappyWarrior  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:22:38am

Only three days after Boston and plenty of lunatics coming out of the woodwork.

318 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:23:03am

re: #314 HappyWarrior

I see they blame Virginia Tech on the left. It must be nice to be that demented where everything is the left’s fault.

The wingnuts have a meme they keep repeating over and over and over again, that all the mass shooters were LIBRULZ or DEMOCRATZ even the ones who weren’t old enough to vote, or who weren’t even U.S. citizens.

Except for that old guy who shot up the Holocaust Museum, and the guy who shot up the Sikh Temple, they don’t mention them.

319 Lidane  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:24:40am

*sigh*

Another case where conservatives couldn’t possibly be wrong. Ever. They’re virtuous and pure as the driven snow, and fuck you for ever suggesting otherwise.

320 geoffm33  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:24:58am

re: #311 Vicious Babushka

Get the director of the ATF before congress stat! We need answers!!!! No, not the acting director, THE DIRECTOR! What? Nevermind.

321 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:25:22am

re: #316 Kragar

Yeah, its exactly like Benghazi, in that a bunch of fucktards want to turn it into a grand government conspiracy.

BENGHAZI IS TEH AWFULEST TIHNG TAHT EVER HAPPENED IN TEH WHOLE HISTORY OF WHENEVER BECAUSE OBAMA!!11!!!!!!TY

322 Lidane  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:25:49am
323 kirkspencer  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:26:48am

Just got permission to share something from a friend who is a retired OSHA inspector.

This was an industrial plant, producing a chemical product, so OSHA has a strong interest in this explosion. The Dallas Region VI response team was probably on site by sunrise. They could have been there earlier, but OSHA is not a first responder and tries to stay out of the way until the victims are evacuated and the site is under control.

I know a couple of local OSHA warhorses that were up late watching the CNN coverage. Da-a-a-a-mn! This is a fire marshal’s nightmare. [There are other fertilizer plants across the state. Without knowing what this one was making, it is difficult to speculate on what caused the explosion. It was definitely handling bulk quantities of anhydrous ammonia, which is a potential fire hazard, although it is very difficult to ignite. Such plants tend to be poorly maintained and without adequate process controls to prevent such catastrophic incidents. I have seen plants that made ammonium sulfate (a non-explosive material not to be confused with ammonium nitrate) that had ammonia storage tanks that were rusted by exposure to sulfuric acid vapor. I have also seen plants that made ammonia and also urea, which were in very good condition ]

I have found two videos of the site explosion - one from a parking lot and another from a car window by the property fence. In both of them, if you do frame by frame (start/stop with the pause button), you can see that there is an initial explosion to the left of the camera (downwind of the plant fire). It is followed very quickly by a large secondary explosion from the site of the plant fire, which knocks the witnesses on their keesters. The initial blast is off frame, so you can’t see exactly where it started. It is apparent because of the visible flash from the left of frame. One video shows it in the air, as though it were an ignited gas cloud (a possibility). The other one was apparently closer to it, because the flash effect literally washes out the screen just before the big one goes. There is a significant amount of dirt churned up by the secondary, making it evident that there was significant cratering.

[These primary flashes could be artifacts of flash hitting the optics of the camera, but I doubt it.]
Possible scenarios:

1. A large LP gas storage tank ruptured and the subsequent vapor cloud ignited, leading to the disastrous secondary.
2. The fire released gases and combustion products that finally reached an explosive concentration downwind of the fire and flashed back to the source.
3. A natural gas line was ruptured, releasing natural gas vapor into a significant size vapor cloud, which ignited.
[4. If the initial flash was just an artifact of the camera, the fire ate into stockpiled materials within the plant to cause the big explosion. ]

324 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:26:56am
325 Bulworth  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:28:01am
He adds that if the marathon bomber “is found to be from a Middle East country,” the U.S. should deport all people from the Middle East and “put a boot in their ass.”

And if the Boston bomber is White and native-born we should deport….oh wait.

//

326 HappyWarrior  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:28:22am

re: #319 Lidane

*sigh*

Another case where conservatives couldn’t possibly be wrong. Ever. They’re virtuous and pure as the driven snow, and fuck you for ever suggesting otherwise.

Their proof that Choi is left wing is that he threatened Bush. Nevermind the fact he was obviously a violent and angry individual and that if Obama had been POTUS in 2007, he would have threatened him too. I am so sick of fucking right wingers pulling this shit. And then when you call them out on it, you’re a mean hateful liberal for calling out the poor conservative who is just reporting facts. I swear too many conservatives in this country hate liberals more than they love this country or perhaps even more fucked up, they see their hatred of liberals as proof of their patriotism. I don’t hate conservatives. I have issues with their ideas but I honestly wouldn’t hate or even dislike someone just because they’re a conservative.

327 jamesfirecat  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:29:05am

re: #206 Destro

What’s the difference between moonbat and wingnut again?

Wingnut: Muslims are invading and we need our guns to stop them before they use the UN as a front to impose their Sharia Law all over our great land with the assistance of the Commie in Cheif!

Moonbat: Bush is just as bad as Hitler the US is no go better than Stalinist Russia/Facist Germany, animals are more important than people because they don’t kill one another in wars!

328 Bulworth  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:29:13am

re: #320 geoffm33


Get the director of the ATF before congress stat! We need answers!!!! No, not the acting director, THE DIRECTOR! What? Nevermind.

Why has Obummer not appointed a head to the ATF?!1!!! Is it because he doesn’t care about safety of Americans!???!!!111

329 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:30:40am

re: #327 jamesfirecat

Wingnut: Muslims are invading and we need our guns to stop them before they use the UN as a front to impose their Sharia Law all over our great land with the assistance of the Commie in Cheif! STAND WITH ISRAEL!!1

Moonbat: Bush is just as bad as Hitler the US is no go better than Stalinist Russia/Facist Germany/TEH ZIONISTZ, animals are more important than people because they don’t kill one another in wars!

ftfy

330 Dr. Matt  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:31:04am

Has anyone linked the terrorist attacks to Batman? That’s the definitive proof of a false flag.

331 Lidane  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:31:10am

What research? Creationism isn’t science.

332 HappyWarrior  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:31:52am

re: #327 jamesfirecat

Wingnut: Muslims are invading and we need our guns to stop them before they use the UN as a front to impose their Sharia Law all over our great land with the assistance of the Commie in Cheif!

Moonbat: Bush is just as bad as Hitler the US is no go better than Stalinist Russia/Facist Germany, animals are more important than people because they don’t kill one another in wars!

That’s pretty accurate though I shit you all not that I actually dealt with a real person who thought Stalin wasn’t so bad.

333 Lidane  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:31:57am
334 HappyWarrior  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:32:58am

re: #331 Lidane

What research? Creationism isn’t science.

How the hell do you research creationism anyhow? The whole premise of creationism is God created the earth in six days and then rested. Or if you’re a young earther which I assume the idiot in question is, you believe that the earth is only 4000 some years old and we’re to totally ignore artifacts and fossils literally more than a 1000 times that old.

335 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:35:18am

re: #334 HappyWarrior

How the hell do you research creationism anyhow? The whole premise of creationism is God created the earth in six days and then rested. Or if you’re a young earther which I assume the idiot in question is, you believe that the earth is only 4000 some years old and we’re to totally ignore artifacts and fossils literally more than a 1000 times that old.

And they will explain

SATAN PUT THOSE BONES IN TEH EARTH TO MAKE IT LOOK OLD AND LEAD SINNERS ASTRAY!!11!!

336 efuseakay  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:35:18am

Chicago-area flooding is pretty bad. Some major highways were closed this morning making for an impossible commute anywhere. Motorists stranded. Cars floating away. Schools closed. A sinkhole swallowing cars on the south side. Luckily I had a new main and emergency sump pump installed over the winter, or else my basement would have water.

Silver lining: phone box/node in neighbor’s back yard is completely submerged and the landline is dead. No telemarketers until next week.

337 Bulworth  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:35:28am

re: #332 HappyWarrior

Yeah, Stalin was hideously awful.

He also purged the army and its officers before WWII, which doesn’t strike me as particularly brilliant.

338 HappyWarrior  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:35:40am

The problem with teaching creationism to me aside from it not being science is that it just encourages lazy answers to questions. and frankly the rise of creationism and intelligent design teaching I think has played a big part in our decline in the sciences.

339 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:35:54am

re: #225 Jan Smiddy

And then they came for the pressure cookers. But I didn’t own one and was silent. Apologies to Niebauer.

Niemöller.

340 Kragar  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:36:09am

re: #334 HappyWarrior

How the hell do you research creationism anyhow? The whole premise of creationism is God created the earth in six days and then rested. Or if you’re a young earther which I assume the idiot in question is, you believe that the earth is only 4000 some years old and we’re to totally ignore artifacts and fossils literally more than a 1000 times that old.

“Lets look at the evidence. OK, here is the Bible on one hand, and mountains of scientific evidence to the contrary on the other. Yeah, that about balances out.”

Fucktards.

341 HappyWarrior  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:36:48am

re: #337 Bulworth

Yeah, Stalin was hideously awful.

He also purged the army and its officers before WWII, which doesn’t strike me as particularly brilliant.

Yep and also ignored his spies warning that a German invasion was imminent in the spring of ‘41.

342 kirkspencer  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:36:58am

re: #331 Lidane

What research? Creationism isn’t science.

If “God Exists” is a testable hypothesis, it’s science. If it’s a faith-based axiom, it’s math.

343 jaunte  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:37:42am

re: #331 Lidane

What research? Creationism isn’t science.

Probably concentrating on research in the politics of Christian theocracy.

344 HappyWarrior  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:38:51am

re: #340 Kragar

“Lets look at the evidence. OK, here is the Bible on one hand, and mountains of scientific evidence to the contrary on the other. Yeah, that about balances out.”

Fucktards.

Exactly, creation science wants us to not use logic and take one book literally word for word. Honestly, that’s not just bad science, it’s bad theology too.

345 HappyWarrior  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:39:39am

re: #335 Vicious Babushka

And they will explain

Satan painted the cave drawings too.

346 Kragar  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:41:18am

re: #344 HappyWarrior

Exactly, creation science wants us to not use logic and take one book literally word for word. Honestly, that’s not just bad science, it’s bad theology too.

“Beware of the person of one book.” - Thomas Aquinas

347 jamesfirecat  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:41:24am

re: #337 Bulworth

Yeah, Stalin was hideously awful.

He also purged the army and its officers before WWII, which doesn’t strike me as particularly brilliant.

Striking a deal with the guy whose entire ideology was based around looking down on your country/people of your race was not the smartest move either…

348 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:41:27am
349 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:41:27am
350 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:42:39am

re: #348 FemNaziBitch

Fox River, Downtown Aurora, IL,

How is it by you?

Thought you might be interested in this Derp:

351 efuseakay  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:43:12am

When Ted Nugent goes on some sort of spree, he’ll be labeled a liberal commie bastard too.

352 HappyWarrior  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:43:34am

re: #346 Kragar

“Beware of the person of one book.” - Thomas Aquinas

Yeah exactly, I was thinking that many of the great theologians like Aquinas would have a huge problem with taking the Bible literally. it’s amazing to me that a man who lived in the 13th century had more wisdom about these sort of things then men living in the 21st. It’s all twisted bullshit though since these same people twist the Bible to fit their beliefs on economics too which is amusing considering Smith didn’t write the Wealth of Nations until years after the events of the Bible apparently take place.

353 HoosierHoops  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:45:08am

re: #345 HappyWarrior

Satan painted the cave drawings too.

Satan needs to take up a new hobby. Those paintings suck..
//

354 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:45:23am

re: #350 Vicious Babushka

Thought you might be interested in this Derp:

Vernor Vinge wrote about that in a book. Some huge book eating machine that captured the text as it was being chewed and reintegrated it into digitized books. People were fighting to save the books.

355 HappyWarrior  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:46:50am

re: #353 HoosierHoops

Satan needs to take up a new hobby. Those paintings suck..
//

To be fair, they were probably his version of the kid drawing with a crayon on the wall.

356 klys  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:47:03am

re: #279 Political Atheist

Looking at the real MSDS data, anhydrous ammonia is not that easy to set off like that. It takes extreme conditions.

Fire and Explosion Hazard Data

Flashpoint: None
Flammable Limits in Air: LEL/UEL 16% to 25% (listed as 15% to 28% in the NIOSH Pocket Guide to Chemical Hazards.)
Extinguishing Media: Dry Chemical, CO2, water spray or alcohol-resistant foam if gas flow cannot be stopped
Auto Ignition Temperature: 1,204°F (If catalyzed), 1,570°F (If un-catalyzed)

Unusual Fire and Explosion Hazards
• Outdoors, ammonia is not generally a fire hazard. Indoors, in confined areas, ammonia may be a fire hazard, especially if oil and other combustible materials are present. Combustion may form toxic nitrogen oxides.
• If relief valves are inoperative, heat exposed storage containers may become explosion hazards due to over pressurization.

Chemical Reactivity

Stability
Stable at room temperature. Heating a closed container above room temperature causes vapor pressure to increase rapidly. Anhydrous ammonia will react exothermically with acids and water. Will not polymerize.

Conditions to Avoid
Anhydrous ammonia has potentially explosive reactions with strong oxidizers. Anhydrous ammonia forms explosive mixtures in air with hydrocarbons, chlorine, fluorine and silver nitrate. Anhydrous ammonia reacts to form explosive products, mixtures or compounds with mercury, gold, silver, iodine, bromine, silver oxide and silver chloride.

Avoid anhydrous ammonia contact with chlorine, which forms a chloramine gas, which is a primary skin irritant and sensitizer. Anhydrous ammonia is incompatible with acetaldehyde, acrolein, boron, chloric acid, chlorine monoxide, chlorites, nitrogen tetroxide, perchlorate, sulfur, tin and strong acids.

Avoid contact with galvanized surfaces, copper, brass, bronze, mercury, gold and silver. A corrosive reaction will occur.

Spill or Leak Procedures

Steps to be Taken
Stop source of leak if possible, provided it can be done in a safe manner. Leave the area of a spill by moving laterally and upwind. Isolate the affected area. Non-responders should evacuate the area, or shelter in place. Only properly trained and equipped persons should respond to an ammonia release. Wear eye, hand and respiratory protection and protective clothing; see PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT. Stay upwind and use water spray downwind of container to absorb the evolved gas. Contain spill and runoff from entering drains, sewers, and water systems by utilizing methods such as diking, containment, and absorption. CAUTION: ADDING WATER DIRECTLY TO LIQUID SPILLS WILL INCREASE VOLATILIZATION OF AMMONIA, THUS INCREASING THE POSSIBILITY OF EXPOSURE.

I suspect that the AA was stored in tanks, which would meet the enclosed container criteria. With the initial explosion, per re: #323 kirkspencer’s comment, it may have ruptured the already heated and under pressure AA tank, resulting in the substantially larger second explosion.

The plant was apparently built in 1962, from what I have read. From the initial fire call to the explosion was 24 minutes. The current death estimates are between 5 and 15 people, unfortunately heavily weighted towards the first responders dealing with the fire.

357 HappyWarrior  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:49:04am

re: #347 jamesfirecat

Striking a deal with the guy whose entire ideology was based around looking down on your country/people of your race was not the smartest move either…

The most insane thing about Stalin’s USSR is that they actually imprisoned people who escaped the German POW camps. There’s a crazy conspiracy theory that some of the old Bolsheviks (read the people that Stalin largely purged in the great purges and were more part of Lenin’s generation) that Stalin was actually a spy for the czarist police. I don’t believe that but that would be an interesting twist. It’s interesting though that he did so many dumb things like the treaty with the Nazis considering he was and this is no defense of Stalin but he was from what I understand an intelligent guy.

358 jamesfirecat  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:49:39am

re: #351 efuseakay

When Ted Nugent goes on some sort of spree, he’ll be labeled a liberal commie bastard too.

He draft dodged Vietnam that is something only a liberal would do!

359 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:51:12am

re: #358 jamesfirecat

He draft dodged Vietnam that is something only a liberal would do!

He crapped in his pants for days and days which is something only a… only a… I can’t even…

360 Kragar  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:52:53am

re: #359 Vicious Babushka

He crapped in his pants for days and days which is something only a… only a… I can’t even…

Oh, that was just satire, he just told that story to mess with people.

Great story Duder.
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361 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:53:06am

re: #308 HappyWarrior

Which sucks because this isn’t a black and white issue. People need to stop listening to the NRA bullshit and read what’s actually in the law.

Why would they start doing that now?
/

362 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:53:33am

re: #357 HappyWarrior

The most insane thing about Stalin’s USSR is that they actually imprisoned people who escaped the German POW camps. There’s a crazy conspiracy theory that some of the old Bolsheviks (read the people that Stalin largely purged in the great purges and were more part of Lenin’s generation) that Stalin was actually a spy for the czarist police. I don’t believe that but that would be an interesting twist. It’s interesting though that he did so many dumb things like the treaty with the Nazis considering he was and this is no defense of Stalin but he was from what I understand an intelligent guy.

Been reading a book about Bretten Woods. . Interesting stuff when you follow the money …

363 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:53:38am

re: #311 Vicious Babushka

No Benghazi/Boston tweets please, that is going too far.

364 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:55:19am

re: #363 Sol Berdinowitz

No Benghazi/Boston tweets please, that is going too far.

You should stay away from all the pages that Charles posts, featuring articles from Pam Geller and Jim Hoft.

365 wrenchwench  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:55:45am

re: #362 FemNaziBitch

Been reading a book about Bretten Woods. . Interesting stuff when you follow the money …

Caution: There’s a lot of derp written about that subject. Starts out reasonable, and ends up condemning the Fed and the Juice. Paleolibertarians want to ‘educate’ us to their way of thinking.

366 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:56:03am

re: #364 Vicious Babushka

You should stay away from all the pages that Charles posts, featuring articles from Pam Geller and Jim Hoft.

I generally do as a rule. Tired of those ashats.

367 erik_t  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:58:21am

Fantastic, another let’s-post-dumb-tweets-no-let’s-not discussion. See you folks later.

368 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:01:09am

re: #365 wrenchwench

Caution: There’s a lot of derp written about that subject. Starts out reasonable, and ends up condemning the Fed and the Juice. Paleolibertarians want to ‘educate’ us to their way of thinking.

So, far everything seems to be corroborating with basic facts. Not any pontificating. I always fact check while I read —so many new words I have to look up and such. I haven’t absorbed 1/2 of it, so much sheer data when it comes to money and markets.

369 wrenchwench  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:01:31am
370 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:01:46am

re: #365 wrenchwench

Caution: There’s a lot of derp written about that subject. Starts out reasonable, and ends up condemning the Fed and the Juice. Paleolibertarians want to ‘educate’ us to their way of thinking.

It’s amazing to me that anyone wants to return to the Gold Standard.

371 Kragar  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:02:44am

re: #370 FemNaziBitch

It’s amazing to me that anyone wants to return to the Gold Standard.

There isn’t enough gold in the world to do that.

372 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:03:48am

re: #371 Kragar

There isn’t enough gold in the world to do that.

I know! It’s insane.

I’m just amazed (why, at this point, I don’t know) at the arrogance of the West in reforming the world after WWI and II?

We made our own bed.

373 Kragar  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:04:14am

Erik Rush Proves He Wasn’t Joking about Killing Muslims

Fox News contributor Erik Rush complains in his latest column at World Net Daily that he was only joking when he said that Muslims are evil and should be killed. But he manages to prove otherwise by closing the column with a justification for killing Muslims:

For the record, I still maintain that Islam is, by its nature, wholly incompatible with Western society. I analogize liberalism, which is promoting this dhimmitude, to Stage 3 cancer in America’s body politic. For the record: While killing people is definitely undesirable, that is what war tends to be about.

And we are at war – just study the history of Islam, or ask any Islamist.

374 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:04:55am

re: #370 FemNaziBitch

It’s amazing to me that anyone wants to return to the Gold Standard.

A number of foreign countries would simply say “please proceed” if we attempted to do it. Knowing not to stop a foe when they are in the midst of making a mistake.

375 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:07:05am

re: #374 Feline Fearless Leader

A number of foreign countries would simply say “please proceed” if we attempted to do it. Knowing not to stop a foe when they are in the midst of making a mistake.

One part, I didn’t quite grasp, said there are already people operating on their own little gold standard.

Any books on the subject of Bretten Woods recommended. The one I am listening to now is this one.

376 palomino  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:07:06am

re: #294 Bulworth

This hasn’t been all WIN for the NRA…Connecticut and Maryland have passed pretty rigorous gun control legislation in the past month. Colorado has also recently passed gun control legislation, although I’m unsure of the specifics.

I think you’ll see this in more blue states in coming months. Moderate, sane states will have to do the best they can—follow the states rights GOP model and get things done a state at a time.

NY just tightened gun laws, may do even more. CA, completely controlled by Dems, will probably do the same soon. Soon, we’ll have a patchwork like we do on gay marriage and abortion: progressive, largely urban states will go one way; conservative, largely rural states will go the other direction. And Texas will do what it does.

Of course the efficacy of this is diminished by doing it at the state level. A gun bought in Alabama doesn’t know it’s supposed to stay out of Connecticut.

377 Kragar  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:08:22am

New York Post repeatedly misidentifies Boston suspects

Authorities say they have photos of two men who are being sought in connection to the Boston marathon bombing, but they’re not the same two men on the cover of Thursday’s New York Post, which previously mis-reported that police had a Saudi national in custody as a suspect.

The Post explained that the photo comes from images police are circulating “in an attempt to identify the individuals highlighted therein,” but the front page headline exclaims: “BAG MEN, Feds seek these two pictured at Boston Marathon.”

378 efuseakay  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:09:23am

re: #348 FemNaziBitch

Fox River, Downtown Aurora, IL,

How is it by you?

Over here, house is dry. Yard has some puddles. Way in back by the sewer drain, it’s flooded. Village is here to coax it along. Friends have some water damage. Houses and cars. Everyone is safe though. :)

379 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:10:17am

re: #378 efuseakay

Over here, house is dry. Yard has some puddles. Way in back by the sewer drain, it’s flooded. Village is here to coax it along. Friends have some water damage. Houses and cars. Everyone is safe though. :)

I forgot, where is here?

380 wrenchwench  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:14:50am

re: #375 FemNaziBitch

One part, I didn’t quite grasp, said there are already people operating on their own little gold standard.

Any books on the subject of Bretten Woods recommended. The one I am listening to now is this one.

Looks like a good one. I should read it.

381 JeffFX  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:15:09am

re: #348 FemNaziBitch

Fox River, Downtown Aurora, IL,

How is it by you?

I work in Aurora, and was turned back by the police a few blocks from my office. I had to drive through water over my bumper to get home.

382 Kragar  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:16:07am

Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee takes a walk down the Appalachian Trail

383 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:17:52am

re: #381 JeffFX

I work in Aurora, and was turned back by the police a few blocks from my office. I had to drive through water over my bumper to get home.

oooh, not safe!

384 HappyWarrior  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:18:33am

re: #370 FemNaziBitch

It’s amazing to me that anyone wants to return to the Gold Standard.

I know. It just seems like such a stupid idea. What I hate most about the topic is all the wannabe economists who think they know what they’re talking about because they heard Ron Paul talk about it. Ron Paul isn’t an economist nor does he have any economic training whatsoever. Paul read some stuff by Von Mises and he fell in love. So people who parrot Paulian points on things like the Gold Standard and the Fed are merely parroting a guy just read some economic stuff he liked.

385 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:18:51am

re: #375 FemNaziBitch

One part, I didn’t quite grasp, said there are already people operating on their own little gold standard.

Any books on the subject of Bretten Woods recommended. The one I am listening to now is this one.

Try this first: amazon.com of finance

The Lords of Finance describes how the world collapsed into the great depression due to the bankers wanting to stay on the gold standard (and other mistakes) that made Bretten Woods necessary.

386 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:21:02am

re: #385 William Barnett-Lewis

Try this first: amazon.com of finance

The Lords of Finance describes how the world collapsed into the great depression due to the bankers wanting to stay on the gold standard (and other mistakes) that made Bretten Woods necessary.

in my queue!

387 JeffFX  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:21:50am

re: #383 FemNaziBitch

I would have chickened out, but I was trapped by other cars and a high median, and could see others going before me without stalling out.

388 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:22:25am

Lately, whenever someone starts up that worthless paper money vs the wonderfulness of gold, I just remind them that paper covers rock.
neener neener neener

389 wrenchwench  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:24:46am

re: #388 Backwoods_Sleuth

Lately, whenever someone starts up that worthless paper money vs the wonderfulness of gold, I just remind them that paper covers rock.
neener neener neener

Watch out for people with scissors!

390 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:24:50am

What I don’t get is the that the capitalists will tell you that wealth can be pulled from thin air i.e. that it is limitless. Then the same people will want to tell you we need the gold standard —gold which is finite.

Am I understanding this correctly? There is a definite conflict of ideas here.

391 Gus  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:24:52am

Oklahoma House Majority Leader Casually Uses Antisemitic Slur During Bill Debate, Laughs It Off

The bill in question — SB 550 — overturns a 70-year-old ban on selling products at less than 6% above cost which was aimed at preventing big-box retailers from putting smaller competitors out of business with so-called “loss-leaders.”

In defending the bill, Rep. Dennis Johnson (R-Duncan), who is a small business owner himself, asserted that service will always win over price.

“[Customers] might try to Jew me down on the price,” Johnson added. “That’s fine. You know what? That’s free market as well.”

392 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:26:57am

re: #387 JeffFX

I would have chickened out, but I was trapped by other cars and a high median, and could see others going before me without stalling out.

Storm is supposed to reach Detroit by this evening but already in Ann Arbor and moving fast. I just hope it doesn’t hit Dearborn before I get home.

393 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:27:38am

re: #392 Vicious Babushka

Storm is supposed to reach Detroit by this evening but already in Ann Arbor and moving fast. I just hope it doesn’t hit Dearborn before I get home.

It’s been a boisterous storm.

394 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:28:04am

re: #388 Backwoods_Sleuth

Lately, whenever someone starts up that worthless paper money vs the wonderfulness of gold, I just remind them that paper covers rock.
neener neener neener

Part of the interest I had with Stephenson’s _The Baroque Cycle_ was that the characters in the novels were dealing with the beginnings and underpinnings of what developed into the modern banking and capitalization systems.

en.wikipedia.org

395 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:28:14am

re: #391 Gus

Oklahoma House Majority Leader Casually Uses Antisemitic Slur During Bill Debate, Laughs It Off

They are totally tone-deaf to statements like these and unable to understand why anyone would be upset about a “harmless” statement like that…

396 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:28:47am

Can we do away with the idea of race please? If we want to differentiate between groups of people to inflate our self worth, how about we do it based on the shape of the dominant hand’s little finger. Or better yet, how about shoe colour?

397 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:30:01am
398 JeffFX  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:30:48am

re: #392 Vicious Babushka

Good Luck!

399 HappyWarrior  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:31:14am
400 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:31:27am

re: #394 Feline Fearless Leader

Part of the interest I had with Stephenson’s _The Baroque Cycle_ was that the characters in the novels were dealing with the beginnings and underpinnings of what developed into the modern banking and capitalization systems.

en.wikipedia.org

Stephenson is a wicked smart writer.

401 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:33:25am

re: #397 NJDhockeyfan

Why do they look like they are wearing bath towels?

402 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:33:29am

re: #396 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

Can we do away with the idea of race please? If we want to differentiate between groups of people to inflate our self worth, how about we do it based on the shape of the dominant hand’s little finger. Or better yet, how about shoe colour?

Shoe color is a matter of choice: it has to be something that the person cannot determine or control.

403 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:33:51am

re: #401 FemNaziBitch

Why do they look like they are wearing bath towels?

strait jackets?

404 Kragar  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:35:41am

re: #402 Sol Berdinowitz

Shoe color is a matter of choice: it has to be something that the person cannot determine or control.

“Do you like pineapple on your pizza?”
“Sure.”
“DIE HERETIC SCUM!”

405 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:35:45am

“Recent events in Boston demonstrate that we have to come together as Republicans and Democrats in order to pass a bill that will strengthen national security, McCaul said. “In the case of Boston, there were real bombs. In this case, they are digital bombs — and these digital bombs are on their way.”

I may have to quit trying to understand anything.

406 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:36:09am

re: #390 FemNaziBitch

What I don’t get is the that the capitalists will tell you that wealth can be pulled from thin air i.e. that it is limitless. Then the same people will want to tell you we need the gold standard —gold which is finite.

Am I understanding this correctly? There is a definite conflict of ideas here.

There are two different things at work here. The first is best explained by the labor theory of value.
en.wikipedia.org

The second is undermined by the simple reality that all money is fiat money - that is it’s money because a group of people has agreed to use it as a medium of transfer. Nothing has inherent value - not even gold or any thing else that has be used as specie. The fantasy that something rare has inherent value beyond the labor needed to produce it has been used as a way to preserve wealth in the hands of a powerful minority.

407 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:36:54am

re: #396 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

Can we do away with the idea of race please? If we want to differentiate between groups of people to inflate our self worth, how about we do it based on the shape of the dominant hand’s little finger. Or better yet, how about shoe colour?

How does the man with one red shoe fit into this?

408 dragonath  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:37:00am

re: #391 Gus

Oklahoma House Majority Leader Casually Uses Antisemitic Slur During Bill Debate, Laughs It Off

Why, I can’t imagine why anyone would be offended by the use of “Jew” by the same people who defend the use of terms like “wetback” and “n*****”.

409 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:38:57am

did someone say SHOES?

410 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:39:49am

re: #406 William Barnett-Lewis

There are two different things at work here. The first is best explained by the labor theory of value.
en.wikipedia.org

The second is undermined by the simple reality that all money is fiat money - that is it’s money because a group of people has agreed to use it as a medium of transfer. Nothing has inherent value - not even gold or any thing else that has be used as specie. The fantasy that something rare has inherent value beyond the labor needed to produce it has been used as a way to preserve wealth in the hands of a powerful minority.

oooh shiny shiny, sparkly!!!

411 wrenchwench  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:40:39am

re: #401 FemNaziBitch

Why do they look like they are wearing bath towels?

Some places are taking mug shots with drapes over people’s clothing, I think it has to do with not prejudicing potential jurors over what a suspect was wearing, or something like that.

412 Kragar  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:41:43am

Rick Perry asks Obama for a ‘quick turnaround’ on federal aid after explosion

This from the guy who routinely slams any idea of Government aid?

413 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:43:30am

re: #412 Kragar

Rick Perry asks Obama for a ‘quick turnaround’ on federal aid after explosion

This from the guy who routinely slams any idea of Government aid?

Rick, THEY’RE FROM THE GOVERNMENT AND THEY’RE THERE TO HELP YOU!!!

414 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:43:56am

re: #412 Kragar

Rick Perry asks Obama for a ‘quick turnaround’ on federal aid after explosion

This from the guy who routinely slams any idea of Government aid?

Rick Perry embraces big government. Film at 11.

The RW always whines endlessly about “big government” but when something like this happens, they’re the first to ask for aid.

I wouldn’t deny them; it is a disaster. But I’d make some smart-ass comment about it, that’s for damned sure. That’s probably why I’ll never be elected to high office.

415 HappyWarrior  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:44:24am

re: #412 Kragar

Rick Perry asks Obama for a ‘quick turnaround’ on federal aid after explosion

This from the guy who routinely slams any idea of Government aid?

That’s only when he’s running for president to show what a “true conservative” he is. I have no problem giving Texas the needed federal aid but I am sick of Republicans getting elected bitching about the feds or if you’re Mitt Romney attacking the people who work in the federal government and then asking the feds for help.

416 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:44:45am

re: #402 Sol Berdinowitz

Shoe color is a matter of choice: it has to be something that the person cannot determine or control.

I’d rather we be ‘selective’ over something we can change.

417 HappyWarrior  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:45:10am

re: #413 Sol Berdinowitz

Rick, THEY’RE FROM THE GOVERNMENT AND THEY’RE THERE TO HELP YOU!!!

That’s probably the most stupid Reaganism and he had a lot of them.

418 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:45:40am

re: #416 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

I’d rather we be ‘selective’ over something we can change.

that ruins all the fun, like the Star-Belly Sneetches…

419 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:45:56am

re: #407 Feline Fearless Leader

How does the man with one red shoe fit into this?

He’s obviously bi-shoeal.

420 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:46:20am

re: #405 FemNaziBitch

“Recent events in Boston demonstrate that we have to come together as Republicans and Democrats in order to pass a bill that will strengthen national security, McCaul said. “In the case of Boston, there were real bombs. In this case, they are digital bombs — and these digital bombs are on their way.”

I may have to quit trying to understand anything.

Sosorry, I forgot the link.

421 dragonath  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:47:08am

re: #417 HappyWarrior

That’s probably the most stupid Reaganism and he had a lot of them.

Maybe he was trying to foreshadow his own administration

422 jaunte  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:47:27am

re: #412 Kragar

Rick Perry asks Obama for a ‘quick turnaround’ on federal aid after explosion

This from the guy who routinely slams any idea of Government aid?

Same guy who wouldn’t want onerous regulations telling a poor fertilizer company it couldn’t sit wherever it wanted to.

423 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:47:51am
424 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:47:54am

How cool is this?

Astronomers discover Earth-like planets believed to have oceans

Two water worlds, planets apparently covered completely by oceans, are within their star’s “habitable zone” and represent the most exciting discovery yet by the planet-hunting Kepler telescope, NASA announced Thursday.

The two planets are called Kepler-62e and -62f. The first is closer to its star and has more clouds than Earth, according to computer models by the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics.

The second would require the greenhouse effect to keep its surface warm enough to host liquid water; otherwise, it could be covered by ice.

“These planets are unlike anything in our solar system. They have endless oceans,” said lead author Lisa Kaltenegger of the Max Planck Institute for Astronomy and the CfA. “There may be life there, but could it be technology-based like ours? Life on these worlds would be under water with no easy access to metals, to electricity, or fire for metallurgy. Nonetheless, these worlds will still be beautiful blue planets circling an orange star — and maybe life’s inventiveness to get to a technology stage will surprise us.”

425 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:50:06am

re: #424 NJDhockeyfan

Solaris.

426 HappyWarrior  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:50:12am

re: #421 dragonath

Maybe he was trying to foreshadow his own administration

Maybe but I find Ronnie’s quotes about the government funny since he had no problem with things like the death penalty, more prisons, higher punishment for drug use/possession, etc. Just rambling I know but that quote has always struck me as funny in light of that or the fact that yeah his administration actually expanded the government as you say.

427 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:50:43am

re: #424 NJDhockeyfan

very cool!

428 HappyWarrior  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:51:20am

re: #424 NJDhockeyfan

How cool is this?

Astronomers discover Earth-like planets believed to have oceans

Well, I’ve caught waves on both coasts in the US. Maybe it’s time for some space bodysurfing.

429 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:51:37am

re: #425 Dr Lizardo

Solaris.

Upding contingent on Stanislaw Lem/Tarkovsky reference and not George Clooney…

430 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:51:55am

Pretty impressive sinkhole on Chicago’s South Side.
Main reason I never drive through floodwater.

Chicago downpour rips open sinkhole, swallows 3 cars

431 HappyWarrior  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:52:44am

re: #430 Backwoods_Sleuth

Pretty impressive sinkhole on Chicago’s South Side.
Main reason I never drive through floodwater.

Chicago downpour rips open sinkhole, swallows 3 cars

Where’s the man called Leroy Brown? I jest. That’s really amazing though.

432 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:52:54am

re: #429 Sol Berdinowitz

Upding contingent on Stanislaw Lem/Tarkovsky reference and not George Cooney…

Never saw the Clooney version. I’ve only seen the Tarkovsky original and read the book as well.

433 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:53:54am

re: #432 Dr Lizardo

Never saw the Clooney version. I’ve only seen the Tarkovsky original and read the book as well.

gets you an extra upding.

actually, GC version was alright

434 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:54:13am

re: #406 William Barnett-Lewis

There are two different things at work here. The first is best explained by the labor theory of value.
en.wikipedia.org

The second is undermined by the simple reality that all money is fiat money - that is it’s money because a group of people has agreed to use it as a medium of transfer. Nothing has inherent value - not even gold or any thing else that has be used as specie. The fantasy that something rare has inherent value beyond the labor needed to produce it has been used as a way to preserve wealth in the hands of a powerful minority.

This is where my brain starts to wonk-out. Items, while they don’t have inherent value, they do have value —arbitrary and scaled —based on the buyers needs and emotions.

The value we as individual humans place on the item above it’s cost to produce, market, hold in inventory, etc.

435 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:54:22am

Kook tweet…

Lol

436 Ian G.  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:55:33am

re: #377 Kragar

Maybe I’m overreacting, but I see this as an attempt to incite. The Post knows damn well that the right wants Muslim blood for this, so they’re throwing raw meat towards the Geller/Spencer/Fischer types. And in the lunatic echo chamber where Obama is a Muslim who personally assisted the attackers on Benghazi, it will soon be ironclad fact that Muslims did the Boston bombing, no matter who eventually gets convicted for it.

I said it yesterday, but we have the general decency of Americans to thank for not taking the bait of that appalling rag. J’accuse, NY Post.

437 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:55:44am

re: #433 Sol Berdinowitz

gets you an extra upding.

actually, GC version was alright

The GC version got me to read the book. He acted rather well in it, I thought. Different from his normal romantic comedy type of stuff.

438 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:56:44am

re: #436 Ian G.

Maybe I’m overreacting, but I see this as an attempt to incite. The Post knows damn well that the right wants Muslim blood for this, so they’re throwing raw meat towards the Geller/Spencer/Fischer types. And in the lunatic echo chamber where Obama is a Muslim who personally assisted the attackers on Benghazi, it will soon be ironclad fact that Muslims did the Boston bombing, no matter who eventually gets convicted for it.

I said it yesterday, but we have the general decency of Americans to thank for not taking the bait of that appalling rag. J’accuse, NY Post.

Edward Bernays et al. taught us to hate as a our patriotic duty.

sort of/

439 Bubblehead II  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:57:23am

re: #430 Backwoods_Sleuth

Pretty impressive sinkhole on Chicago’s South Side.
Main reason I never drive through floodwater.

Chicago downpour rips open sinkhole, swallows 3 cars

CNN has a video of it sucking down the third car.

440 klys  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:58:28am

re: #420 FemNaziBitch

Sosorry, I forgot the link.

I’d like to think that the Do Nothing Congress will fail to move on this, but cynicism says that if it’s bad for the American people they might actually pass it.

441 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 12:00:32pm

re: #433 Sol Berdinowitz

I might to check it out; a compare and contrast with the original film. Tarkovsky’s film is often considered a straight-up sci-fi masterpiece.

442 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 12:02:03pm

re: #439 Bubblehead II

CNN has a video of it sucking down the third car.

Did that sinkhole have an accent?

443 Kragar  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 12:02:50pm

re: #442 NJDhockeyfan

Did that sinkhole have an accent?

It was a dark skinned sinkhole.

444 HappyWarrior  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 12:03:55pm

re: #442 NJDhockeyfan

Did that sinkhole have an accent?

Not but it owned a pressure cooker.

445 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 12:04:05pm

re: #443 Kragar

It was a dark skinned sinkhole.

IT WAZ TEH CREEPING SHARIA SINKHOLE!!1!ty

446 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 12:04:22pm

re: #443 Kragar

It was a dark skinned sinkhole.

SINKHOLDS IN CHICAGO IS PROOF THAT SINKHOLE CONTROL WON’T WORK!!11!!

447 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 12:04:28pm

re: #435 NJDhockeyfan

Kook tweet…

Lol

Yunno, we can be relieved that this was a matter involving only a few dead and a handful of injured. I do not want to think about the kooks and conspiracies surrounding another 9/11-scale attack

448 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 12:04:59pm

re: #434 FemNaziBitch

This is where my brain starts to wonk-out. Items, while they don’t have inherent value, they do have value —arbitrary and scaled —based on the buyers needs and emotions.

The value we as individual humans place on the item above it’s cost to produce, market, hold in inventory, etc.

All of that is simply relative value, however, as it comes from an agreement between the concerned parties. Two people can give an item X a value of Y between themselves while two others with exact same circumstances will give it a value of Z instead. Their decision is what creates the value of the item, not the item itself.

449 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 12:05:02pm

re: #444 HappyWarrior

Not but it owned a pressure cooker.

I much prefer pleasure cookers.

450 klys  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 12:05:49pm

re: #444 HappyWarrior

Not but it owned a pressure cooker.

I thought CNN had bought them all for the exclusive.

451 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 12:05:51pm
452 Kragar  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 12:05:56pm

Robertson: ‘Demonic’ Dungeons & Dragons ‘Literally Destroyed People’s Lives’

In response to a question regarding whether it is ok to “enjoy video games that have magic in them,” Robertson warned that such games are part of the “occult” and urged the questioner to “flee from evil.” He said that is especially the case when it comes to Dungeons & Dragons, which has “literally destroyed people’s lives.”

True, but the game designers behind 4th Edition deserved what they got.
/

453 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 12:06:17pm

re: #439 Bubblehead II


Surprised they got the correct sinkhole…

Seriously though, yow! Looked like that fourth car was teetering on the other edge. And a fire further down the street. Yikes!

454 HappyWarrior  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 12:06:51pm

re: #452 Kragar

Robertson: ‘Demonic’ Dungeons & Dragons ‘Literally Destroyed People’s Lives’

True, but the game designer’s behind 4th Edition deserved what they got.
/

Dungeons and Dragons? Did I step into 1985?

455 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 12:06:58pm

re: #444 HappyWarrior

Not but it owned a pressure cooker.

Wolf Blitzer will show us one later on his newscast.

456 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 12:07:07pm

re: #448 William Barnett-Lewis

All of that is simply relative value, however, as it comes from an agreement between the concerned parties. Two people can give an item X a value of Y between themselves while two others with exact same circumstances will give it a value of Z instead. Their decision is what creates the value of the item, not the item itself.

Yet, that perceived value must be factored into every theory of money, trade and markets. NO?

It is human emotion, not need or other objective parameters that drive trade. IMHO

457 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 12:07:14pm

re: #452 Kragar

Robertson: ‘Demonic’ Dungeons & Dragons ‘Literally Destroyed People’s Lives’

True, but the game designer’s behind 4th Edition deserved what they got.
/

Good lord, he’s recycling that old BS? I heard that back in the 80s.

I guess it’s like they say; what’s old is new again.

458 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 12:07:17pm

en.wikipedia.org

Went through this list and have come to the conclusion that Man likes blowing things up. It’s just that we’re not that careful about handling the materials involved.

459 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 12:08:03pm

re: #458 Feline Fearless Leader

en.wikipedia.org

Went through this list and have come to the conclusion that Man likes blowing things up. It’s just that we’re not that careful about handling the materials involved.

Man do like to make things go BOOM!

460 HappyWarrior  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 12:08:05pm

re: #457 Dr Lizardo

Good lord, he’s recycling that old BS? I heard that back in the 80s.

I guess it’s like they say; what’s old is new again.

Beat ya to it. I had the same thoughts when Wayne LaPierre was bitching about American Psycho and Natural Born Killers after Newtown.

461 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 12:08:42pm

re: #458 Feline Fearless Leader

en.wikipedia.org

Went through this list and have come to the conclusion that Man likes blowing things up. It’s just that we’re not that careful about handling the materials involved.

Ever watched Myth Busters?

Humans take more glee in destroying things than cats do. (Don’t ever buy your cat a new scratching post)

462 Kragar  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 12:09:07pm

A game where the player pushes a button, making the character onscreen fire a rifle? Good old fashioned American fun.

A game where the player pushes a button, making the character onscreen throw a lightning bolt? ITS THE DEVIL!

463 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 12:09:22pm

re: #461 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

Ever watched Myth Busters?

Humans take more glee in destroying things than cats do. (Don’t ever buy your cat a new scratching post)

They go to the shooting range every chance they get on Pawn Stars as well.

464 HappyWarrior  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 12:09:34pm

What’s Pat gonna to do next though? Warn us about the sinfulness of disco? The unholiness of having long hair and facial hair despite the fact that Jesus Christ is often portrayed as having both? Of how Elvis Presley is corrupting American youth?

465 kirkspencer  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 12:09:57pm

re: #434 FemNaziBitch

This is where my brain starts to wonk-out. Items, while they don’t have inherent value, they do have value —arbitrary and scaled —based on the buyers needs and emotions.

The value we as individual humans place on the item above it’s cost to produce, market, hold in inventory, etc.

Recommendation: Graeber’s Debt: the first 5000 years. I found it parts of it to be difficult reading. I found some of it questionable. The core, however, was both interesting and well supported.

Simplest summary: money was created not for trade but for debt. Debt, not wealth, is the core of economic systems. And because of this the historic commonality of debt forgiveness not only exists but turns out to be necessary.

466 iossarian  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 12:10:18pm

re: #452 Kragar

Robertson: ‘Demonic’ Dungeons & Dragons ‘Literally Destroyed People’s Lives’

True, but the game designer’s behind 4th Edition deserved what they got.
/

Lol. That made my day.

467 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 12:10:44pm

re: #460 HappyWarrior

Beat ya to it. I had the same thoughts when Wayne LaPierre was bitching about American Psycho and Natural Born Killers after Newtown.

Heh. A lot of folks on the right seem to be stuck in some kind of time warp.

468 dragonath  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 12:10:57pm

I refuse to listen to morality lessons from Nazis

469 kirkspencer  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 12:11:19pm

re: #461 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

Ever watched Myth Busters?

Humans take more glee in destroying things than cats do. (Don’t ever buy your cat a new scratching post)

Why not buy a new scratching post, it just gets ignored. A new piece of furniture, especially cloth covered, on the other hand…

470 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 12:11:29pm

re: #464 HappyWarrior

What’s Pat gonna to do next though? Warn us about the sinfulness of disco? The unholiness of having long hair and facial hair despite the fact that Jesus Christ is often portrayed as having both? Of how Elvis Presley is corrupting American youth?

He’ll warn us of the dangers of the Charleston and listening to jazz while smoking “reefer”.

471 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 12:11:49pm

re: #461 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

Ever watched Myth Busters?

Humans take more glee in destroying things than cats do. (Don’t ever buy your cat a new scratching post)

There’s the next YouTube Meme. Cats operating a plunger detonator in order to blow various things up; birds, mice, dogs, small cars, major metropolitan centers…
// ;)

472 Dr. Matt  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 12:12:27pm

re: #435 NJDhockeyfan

Private military operatives hired to ‘work’ the Boston marathon conspiracyanalyst.wordpress.com/2013/04/18/pri… #falseflag
— Ralph Morelli (@nwo_analyst) April 18, 2013l

Shouldn’t this make the teabaggers happy? They want to privatize everything.

473 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 12:12:27pm

re: #467 Dr Lizardo

Heh. A lot of folks on the right seem to be stuck in some kind of time warp.

Sounds like a dance.

Let’s do the Time Warp!

474 HappyWarrior  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 12:13:29pm

re: #467 Dr Lizardo

Heh. A lot of folks on the right seem to be stuck in some kind of time warp.

You should have seen the look on my grandmother’s face when I told her that hookah smoking is popular with both men and women. That just amazed me for someone who was in their 20’s in the 50’s.

475 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 12:14:04pm

re: #469 kirkspencer

Why not buy a new scratching post, it just gets ignored. A new piece of furniture, especially cloth covered, on the other hand…

Cat’s take pride in destroying a scratching post. If you buy them a new one and throw out the old one, they take their frustration out on you, or your furniture because it’s always available.

476 HappyWarrior  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 12:14:06pm

re: #470 Dr Lizardo

He’ll warn us of the dangers of the Charleston and listening to jazz while smoking “reefer”.

Damn it, I was just about to warn about the Charleston. Maybe if I hurry, I can get word about the sinfulness of “talking pictures” and women voting.

477 dragonath  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 12:15:33pm

re: #476 HappyWarrior

Damn it, I was just about to warn about the Charleston. Maybe if I hurry, I can get word about the sinfulness of “talking pictures” and women voting.

THERE’S JEWS IN MAH HOLLYWOOD

478 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 12:15:49pm

re: #465 kirkspencer

Recommendation: Graeber’s Debt: the first 5000 years. I found it parts of it to be difficult reading. I found some of it questionable. The core, however, was both interesting and well supported.

Simplest summary: money was created not for trade but for debt. Debt, not wealth, is the core of economic systems. And because of this the historic commonality of debt forgiveness not only exists but turns out to be necessary.

In the queue.

Yes, I’m beginning to understand the concept of debt as collateral in and of itself.

People currently securitize tax credits for Bob’s sake!

479 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 12:16:40pm

re: #469 kirkspencer

Why not buy a new scratching post, it just gets ignored. A new piece of furniture, especially cloth covered, on the other hand…

We finally had to do the dirty deed and get our cat’s front paws declawed. He just wouldn’t take to any approved scratching surface.

480 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 12:17:16pm

re: #473 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

Sounds like a dance.

Let’s do the Time Warp!

It’s just a jump to the left.

481 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 12:17:35pm

Microsoft really knows how to make people hate them. If you buy Office 2013 it has to be downloaded from the web. On a slow connection (like in rural Sask) it can take hours.

I really, really wish I could talk my customers into using Linux and Open Office.

482 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 12:18:10pm

re: #481 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

Microsoft really knows how to make people hate them. If you buy Office 2013 it has to be downloaded from the web. On a slow connection (like in rural Sask) it can take hours.

I really, really wish I could talk my customers into using Linux and Open Office.

Go apple, you’ll never go back.

483 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 12:18:46pm

re: #479 FemNaziBitch

We finally had to do the dirty deed and get our cat’s front paws declawed. He just wouldn’t take to any approved scratching surface.

My expensive leather chair and couch have lots of tiny pin prick holes in them.

Cat almost got launched.

484 HappyWarrior  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 12:19:24pm

re: #477 dragonath

THERE’S JEWS IN MAH HOLLYWOOD

They’re showing women having fun and not serving men, how sinful!

485 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 12:19:58pm

re: #482 FemNaziBitch

Go apple, you’ll never go back.

Linux isn’t much different than OSX, which is a Unix port, as is Linux.

486 Dr Lizardo  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 12:22:15pm

re: #480 FemNaziBitch

It’s just a jump to the left.

Then a step to the right…..

487 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 12:22:17pm

re: #483 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

My expensive leather chair and couch have lots of tiny pin prick holes in them.

Cat almost got launched.

I think anyone expecting furniture surfaces to survive an extended period in a house with small children or cats* is deluded. Just because.

* - Especially younger ones. I transitioned from cats that were 12 to cats that were 1-2 years old. The young ones are much more active, much more “on” furniture surfaces, and therefore a bit more destructive. For example, young cat has taken to getting to the top of a wingback chair by climbing up the back in order to surprise me rather than simply jumping onto the arm and from there onto the back.

488 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 12:29:15pm

re: #487 Feline Fearless Leader

I think anyone expecting furniture surfaces to survive an extended period in a house with small children or cats* is deluded. Just because.

* - Especially younger ones. I transitioned from cats that were 12 to cats that were 1-2 years old. The young ones are much more active, much more “on” furniture surfaces, and therefore a bit more destructive. For example, young cat has taken to getting to the top of a wingback chair by climbing up the back in order to surprise me rather than simply jumping onto the arm and from there onto the back.

Clip their nails short.

489 JeffFX  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 12:33:43pm

re: #488 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

Clip their nails short.

If I tried to clip my male cat’s nails, I’d draw back 2 bloody stumps where my hands used to be. Better just to accept that I can’t own any nice furniture.

490 wrenchwench  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 12:36:56pm

re: #488 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

Clip their nails short.

I clip my cats’ nails. First thing they do afterwards is head to the couch to ‘fix’ their pedicures.

491 kerFuFFler  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 12:45:21pm

re: #334 HappyWarrior

How the hell do you research creationism anyhow?

.
Easy, you count all the “gaps” in the fossil record. Just remember, every time scientists find a missing link, a new gap is created.

492 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 12:48:04pm

re: #488 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

Clip their nails short.

tried that, cat overlord was not pleased.

493 Decatur Deb  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 1:08:00pm

…dead thread.

494 Destro  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 1:28:38pm

re: #277 Decatur Deb

re: #272 blueraven

littlegreenfootballs.com

What they said..

The reason I ask is maybe you exhibited a change of mind on this because I did cite a real world example of how this works. Republicans claim to hate big govt and socialism yet any whiff of privatizing the TVA makes them defend socialism.

Do this enough times and the Red States “What’s the Matter with Kansas” thesis can be solved.


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