Someone at Reddit discovered another photo of the suspects; it’s definitely suspect #2 on the left, hurrying around the corner, and it may be suspect #1 in the group of people about 5 yards behind, with the tan pants.
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Lidane Thu, Apr 18, 2013 5:17:31pm |
WARNING: That “new” photo floating around w/suspect #2 turning corner on Fairfield St. appears to be Photoshopped via @jeremyzilar— Jennifer Preston (@JenniferPreston) April 19, 2013
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Dr Lizardo Thu, Apr 18, 2013 5:19:29pm |
re: #1 Lidane
If it’s a photoshop, it’s a damned good one I’ll say that.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 18, 2013 5:19:31pm |
re: #1 Lidane
Interesting. I have it open in Photoshop right now and I don’t see any obvious signs of a fake.
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erik_t Thu, Apr 18, 2013 5:22:08pm |
I don’t think we’ve got any other shots of the subject’s head from that angle, so a photoshop would be a neat trick.
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efuseakay Thu, Apr 18, 2013 5:22:31pm |
#1 in the back of the pic… Hard to tell but it looks like his right hand is still holding the shoulder strap of a backpack?
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klys Thu, Apr 18, 2013 5:22:43pm |
re: #3 Charles Johnson
Interesting. I have it open in Photoshop right now and I don’t see any obvious signs of a fake.
There’s some artifacting around Suspect 2’s head.
That said, my jury is undecided.
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bubba zanetti Thu, Apr 18, 2013 5:23:07pm |
The ‘distorted pixels’ behind the head are standard jpeg compression noise in high contrast boundaries.
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Lidane Thu, Apr 18, 2013 5:23:14pm |
re: #3 Charles Johnson
I don’t know if it’s a shopped photo or not. I just saw that tweet and found it interesting.
Right now there’s so much stuff flying around it’s hard to keep up.
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Kragar Thu, Apr 18, 2013 5:24:58pm |
Until the FBI says its them, it not a pic of them.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 18, 2013 5:24:59pm |
re: #6 klys
There’s some artifacting around Suspect 2’s head.
That said, my jury is undecided.
Pixellation in a JPEG image is not necessarily evidence of manipulation. All JPEGs produce those kinds of artifacts.
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efuseakay Thu, Apr 18, 2013 5:25:04pm |
And #1 in this pic has a red jacket? Not according to the FBI pics. I think #1 is another case of mistaken identity.
#2 does seem to have a smirk on his face.
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Joanne Thu, Apr 18, 2013 5:26:36pm |
re: #5 efuseakay
#1 in the back of the pic… Hard to tell but it looks like his right hand is still holding the shoulder strap of a backpack?
That’s what I thought, too. He looks to have a bit of a mustache. And the shoes look off. I’m not sold on that being him.
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Lidane Thu, Apr 18, 2013 5:26:57pm |
Sorry for the very early OT, but this is the lede from the Austin paper:
Texas mayor: At least 35 dead, including 10 first responders bit.ly/11CfYRc— Austin Statesman (@statesman) April 19, 2013
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thedopefishlives Thu, Apr 18, 2013 5:27:38pm |
re: #3 Charles Johnson
Interesting. I have it open in Photoshop right now and I don’t see any obvious signs of a fake.
I have no doubt the wingnuts will stop at nothing to dismiss all the evidence they can. Unless they prove to be “libruls” (according to their loosest definition of the term), in which case any- and everything is damning evidence, even if it is fake.
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Kragar Thu, Apr 18, 2013 5:28:15pm |
FBI Ignores Men With Backpacks At Scene of Boston Bombings - infowars.com/fbi-ignores-me…— Alex Jones (@RealAlexJones) April 18, 2013
Video: FBI Releases Videos Of New Patsy Suspects bit.ly/12qO9MM twitter.com/RealAlexJones/…— Alex Jones (@RealAlexJones) April 19, 2013
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klys Thu, Apr 18, 2013 5:28:25pm |
re: #11 Charles Johnson
Pixellation in a JPEG image is not necessarily evidence of manipulation. All JPEGs produce those kinds of artifacts.
Agreed. That’s just the evidence that people were using to suggest Photoshopping.
From the reports saying that he was close before the bomb went off, I believe this to be an entirely plausible legit photo. I’m just willing to be cautious.
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Randall Gross Thu, Apr 18, 2013 5:28:40pm |
re: #14 Redshirts Lament
Upding for the Bladerunner reference.
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Dr Lizardo Thu, Apr 18, 2013 5:28:48pm |
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Kragar Thu, Apr 18, 2013 5:29:14pm |
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erik_t Thu, Apr 18, 2013 5:29:51pm |
re: #15 Lidane
Sorry for the very early OT, but this is the lede from the Austin paper:
Last night’s numbers were presumably an off-the-cuff guess based on proximity. Today’s numbers may instead be associated with actual names and bodies.
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Kragar Thu, Apr 18, 2013 5:30:08pm |
Alex Jones: Doing everything he can to help terrorist bombers
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spiderx Thu, Apr 18, 2013 5:30:26pm |
Man Assaults Muslim Woman Following Reports of Dark Skinned Bombing Suspect
rawstory.com
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Jack Burton Thu, Apr 18, 2013 5:31:12pm |
re: #24 Kragar
Alex Jones: Doing everything he can to help terrorist bombers
I don’t even have the energy to point out how he contradicts himself mid psychotic rant anymore…
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Randall Gross Thu, Apr 18, 2013 5:32:49pm |
Here’s the actual guy who’s saying it’s PS:
I’ll add to that, the line between the grey and the black at shoulder level seems unnaturally straight.
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Timothy Watson Thu, Apr 18, 2013 5:33:21pm |
re: #12 efuseakay
#2 does seem to have a smirk on his face.
It’s hard to tell someone’s facial expression while they’re running down the street in a single photograph. Heck, look at the heavy guy in the front center and he looks like he’s laughing.
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erik_t Thu, Apr 18, 2013 5:33:31pm |
re: #27 Randall Gross
I’ll add to that, the line between the grey and the black at shoulder level seems unnaturally straight.
If it’s a photoshop, it’s a pretty dazzling one. Nobody that skilled would leave hints that obvious.
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Kragar Thu, Apr 18, 2013 5:33:34pm |
Why the Taliban is aggressively disavowing the Boston Marathon bombing
The Taliban didn’t waste any time after the Boston Marathon bombs exploded before they publicly declared that they had nothing to do with the attack, which killed three people and wounded more than 160. On Tuesday, a spokesman for the Taliban in Pakistan, Ehsanullah Ehsan, said nobody in the Islamist insurgent group was involved. “We believe in attacking U.S. and its allies,” he said, but “we have no connection to this bombing.”
Other Taliban leaders disavowed the Boston attack far more forcefully, saying that any gloating by Islamists about the carnage would turn the bombings into a nightmare for the Taliban, even if the culprit or culprits turned out to be homegrown American terrorists. “You won’t find any link with Afghanistan to the Boston attack,” a former senior Taliban cabinet minister tells The Daily Beast. “The Taliban neither has the inclination nor the capacity for such an attack on the West.”
It seems counterintuitive. But it actually makes sense that the Taliban are desperate to avoid being associated with the strike, say Sami Yousafzai and Ron Moreau at The Daily Beast. “Senior Taliban officials say such attacks on the West are counterproductive,” the writers say, “and they fear that such actions can only hurt the Taliban’s efforts at shedding its image in the West that it is a terrorist organization that shelters al Qaeda and condones al Qaeda-inspired attacks.”
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erik_t Thu, Apr 18, 2013 5:34:00pm |
re: #27 Randall Gross
Here’s the actual guy who’s saying it’s PS:
Yeah, no. This is a bozo blowing smoke.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 18, 2013 5:35:18pm |
re: #27 Randall Gross
Here’s the actual guy who’s saying it’s PS:
I’ll add to that, the line between the grey and the black at shoulder level seems unnaturally straight.
That’s also a very common thing you see when you zoom in on JPEG-compressed images. To compress the image, it’s divided up into square sections, so where the boundaries of the sections lie you will often see what appear to be unnaturally straight edges when you zoom in.
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erik_t Thu, Apr 18, 2013 5:36:33pm |
It’s an immensely noisy image. Pointing to individual chunks of noise and declaring them evidence of alteration, especially when they appear where they ought to (regions of high contrast) is incredibly naive.
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Randall Gross Thu, Apr 18, 2013 5:36:46pm |
re: #32 Charles Johnson
Yeah, I’m not convinced it’s a photoshop. You also see compression artifacts similar to the ones that cause him to suspect the photo in other parts of it.
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DO WINGNUT WORDS SHOW THEY EVOLVED BRAINS?11!! Thu, Apr 18, 2013 5:37:21pm |
“Senior Taliban officials say such attacks on the West are counterproductive,” the writers say, “and they fear that such actions can only hurt the Taliban’s efforts at shedding its image in the West that it is a terrorist organization that shelters al Qaeda and condones al Qaeda-inspired attacks.”
Seems like the Taliban has decided to re-brand itself. Wonder if they too had an “Autopsy”? //
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Kragar Thu, Apr 18, 2013 5:37:38pm |
I’ve watched enough bootleg Japanese porn to recognize intentional versus unintentional pixelation in a video.
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EvilScott2 Thu, Apr 18, 2013 5:37:41pm |
re: #1 Lidane
It’s possible. But todays digital cameras often do automatic tweaking to “faces” as well as other things not found from old point and shoot analog cameras.
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Joanne Thu, Apr 18, 2013 5:38:05pm |
re: #34 Randall Gross
Yeah, I’m not convinced it’s a photoshop. You also see compression artifacts similar to the ones that cause him to suspect the photo in other parts of it.
You see similar noise around everyone in that twitpic.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 18, 2013 5:38:16pm |
If the photo was altered, whoever did it had access to images of the bombers that are not available anywhere else.
I seriously doubt this picture was altered.
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Kragar Thu, Apr 18, 2013 5:39:04pm |
re: #35 DO WINGNUT WORDS SHOW THEY EVOLVED BRAINS?11!!
Seems like the Taliban has decided to re-brand itself. Wonder if they too had an “Autopsy”? //
I think of it more like “You guys are talking about leaving. Why the fuck would we do anything that would make you guys stay longer at this point?”
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Kragar Thu, Apr 18, 2013 5:39:55pm |
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Jack Burton Thu, Apr 18, 2013 5:40:03pm |
re: #39 Killgore Trout
Globular clusters.
It wouldn’t surprise me if no one here got the joke though.
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Randall Gross Thu, Apr 18, 2013 5:40:12pm |
re: #38 Joanne
Yes, the artifacts don’t damn it, I see them all the time, notably in my own profile pic for twitter, which I know for certain has not been photoshopped other than to crop it.
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Timothy Watson Thu, Apr 18, 2013 5:40:46pm |
re: #40 Charles Johnson
Not to mention that all the other pictures of the “suspects” have heavy compression and would stand out quite a bit in a photograph like that.
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Kragar Thu, Apr 18, 2013 5:40:50pm |
re: #43 Jack Burton
It wouldn’t surprise me if no one here got the joke though.
Some of us know when a pic is obviously shopped.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Apr 18, 2013 5:41:40pm |
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chadu Thu, Apr 18, 2013 5:42:23pm |
(reposted from downstairs)
While I am not all that knowledgeable about Laban Movement Analysis, watching the video implies to me that S1 and S2 were working together.
* They follow the same path through the crowd, 3-4 paces behind.
* They are not looking at anything other than their path.
* They seem to have a destination in mind.
* They seem to have a “movie military” reaction when they split up.
* There also seems to be a “movie” style walk-away from dropping the bombs.
Also, if it can be determined that they were talking via cellphones to each other at the same time as the drops (which looks likely), I understand why the FBI labels these douches suspects.
I’m not sure the released video and photos are enough to ID them; seems too spotty to me.
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thedopefishlives Thu, Apr 18, 2013 5:42:28pm |
re: #43 Jack Burton
It wouldn’t surprise me if no one here got the joke though.
Oh, there’s still some older lizards that hang around here. *cough*
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klys Thu, Apr 18, 2013 5:42:39pm |
re: #23 erik_t
Last night’s numbers were presumably an off-the-cuff guess based on proximity. Today’s numbers may instead be associated with actual names and bodies.
The 35 number still seems to be somewhat off-the-cuff and relatively early.
Dallas Morning News has the mayor stating that 80% of the effected area (roughly) has been searched and they’ve found between 8-10 bodies. The bad news is they haven’t gotten onto the plant grounds yet. (Source.)
There continue to be mixed reports as to whether it was ammonia or ammonium nitrate but my money remains on the former. The latter is transported as a solid (to my understanding), not in tanks. Also, the school officials have stated that they had no idea of the explosive capacity of the chemicals at the plant, which would be unlikely if the plant (dealer, really) had substantial amounts of ammonium nitrate on hand.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 18, 2013 5:42:50pm |
Here’s another section zoomed way in - in this you can see the straight edges I was talking about, and plenty of pixellated artifacts:
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erik_t Thu, Apr 18, 2013 5:44:56pm |
re: #48 chadu
I’m not sure the released video and photos are enough to ID them; seems too spotty to me.
In point of fact, we’re already identifying them based on these pictures. Now, they’re obviously not enough to convict, but they’re enough to spot faces in a crowd.
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Randall Gross Thu, Apr 18, 2013 5:45:13pm |
I’m convinced, not a PS. Looks like the Redditors managed to contribute after all.
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Kragar Thu, Apr 18, 2013 5:45:36pm |
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ProBosniaLiberal Thu, Apr 18, 2013 5:46:24pm |
re: #30 Kragar
Nothing they do will ever improve my image in my eyes. They are a bunch Genocidal, child shooting monsters who can’t read to save their lives.
They can go to hell.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Apr 18, 2013 5:47:34pm |
re: #53 Randall Gross
I’m convinced, not a PS. Looks like the Redditors managed to contribute after all.
If the bombers had been underage girls, they’d have been faster.
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erik_t Thu, Apr 18, 2013 5:49:00pm |
re: #53 Randall Gross
I’m convinced, not a PS. Looks like the Redditors managed to contribute after all.
Every wretched hive of scum and villainy has to have its Han Solo.
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efuseakay Thu, Apr 18, 2013 5:49:32pm |
re: #35 DO WINGNUT WORDS SHOW THEY EVOLVED BRAINS?11!!
Seems like the Taliban has decided to re-brand itself. Wonder if they too had an “Autopsy”? //
Go figure. Our very own Taliban is also going for a rebranding…
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Randall Gross Thu, Apr 18, 2013 5:50:07pm |
The second guy in this photo doesn’t seem right unless he changed his shirt. In the video he’s wearing a white v-neck, while in the photo it appears to be a black round neck shirt.
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Kragar Thu, Apr 18, 2013 5:50:46pm |
re: #57 erik_t
Every wretched hive of scum and villainy has to have its Han Solo.
Or in 4Chan’s case, Han Djabba
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efuseakay Thu, Apr 18, 2013 5:51:13pm |
re: #57 erik_t
Every wretched hive of scum and villainy has to have its Han Solo.
Don’t you mean Hans?
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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 18, 2013 5:53:14pm |
re: #59 Randall Gross
The second guy in this photo doesn’t seem right unless he changed his shirt. In the video he’s wearing a white v-neck, while in the photo it appears to be a black round neck shirt.
Yeah - it’s really not clear enough to be certain about the tan pants guy. The other people around him are obscuring the view.
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Timothy Watson Thu, Apr 18, 2013 5:53:54pm |
re: #59 Randall Gross
He might have zipped up his jacket.
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Stanley Sea Thu, Apr 18, 2013 5:53:56pm |
Speculation that white hat has a leg injury - right leg appears bowed.
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chadu Thu, Apr 18, 2013 5:57:47pm |
re: #52 erik_t
In point of fact, we’re already identifying them based on these pictures. Now, they’re obviously not enough to convict, but they’re enough to spot faces in a crowd.
I was just saying that the quality of the images might not be enough for people to tag these suspects well.
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Gus Thu, Apr 18, 2013 5:58:21pm |
re: #62 Charles Johnson
Yeah - it’s really not clear enough to be certain about the tan pants guy. The other people around him are obscuring the view.
He appears to be wearing some kind of black liner in this photo. Also, you’ll notice that suspect #2 appears to have a Hitler mustache in this same photo and he doesn’t.
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Randall Gross Thu, Apr 18, 2013 5:58:25pm |
re: #62 Charles Johnson
Yeah - it’s really not clear enough to be certain about the tan pants guy. The other people around him are obscuring the view.
At that distance it could just be deep shadow making white appear black, easy enough to have happen when you take a low res at distance and zoom in on something in the background that’s in deeper shadow than the foreground exposure was set for.
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chadu Thu, Apr 18, 2013 5:59:30pm |
Wasn’t there a Lord & Taylor photo of someone dropping a suspicious backpack a couple days ago?
Anyone remember?
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Gus Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:00:30pm |
Yeah, just another guy with a field jacket, slung back pack, khaki pants, and what appears to be yet another Bridgestone golf cap.
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jaunte Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:00:45pm |
Photoshopderp:
I would bet MSNBC, Slate, Thinkprogress, etc. are trying to Photoshop the Boston Bombers to look more white #tcot
— Against Obama (@against_obama) April 18, 2013
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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:01:31pm |
re: #66 Gus
I don’t think that’s actually a mustache - it looks like low res image distortion, possibly a shadow from his nose.
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Randall Gross Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:03:17pm |
re: #71 Charles Johnson
I don’t think that’s actually a mustache - it looks like low res image distortion, possibly a shadow from his nose.
I think they applied too much contrast to draw out features and it made a shadow appear to be a mustache.
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Gus Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:03:28pm |
re: #71 Charles Johnson
I don’t think that’s actually a mustache - it looks like low res image distortion, possibly a shadow from his nose.
I know. That’s what it is. Same like it appears that suspect #1 has a mustache in this new image. Doesn’t take much to look like a mustache when you have some razor stubble and strong shadows.
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Gus Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:04:44pm |
Maybe it’s not him. Really doesn’t matter. Point of all this is for the FBI to find these guys.
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Stanley Sea Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:04:45pm |
re: #68 chadu
Wasn’t there a Lord & Taylor photo of someone dropping a suspicious backpack a couple days ago?
Anyone remember?
They are not so far releasing the bag drop photo.
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Randall Gross Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:04:55pm |
One of these days people will start installing security cameras that take decent pics now that reasonable quality photo sensors are cheap.
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thedopefishlives Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:05:21pm |
re: #76 Randall Gross
One of these days people will start installing security cameras that take decent pics now that reasonable quality photo sensors are cheap.
Photos aren’t the problem. Video, which is the general purview of security cameras, is.
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Walking Spanish Down the Hall Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:05:23pm |
Val and Tom just got back from Boston. Apparently Tom is visible in one video just past the finish line when the first bomb goes off. Val was a block past the finish line and in a panic looking for him after she saw the explosion.
Too close.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:05:57pm |
Every time an image like this comes out, we get people saying “if you zoom in, THE PIXELS!”
I’ve been microscopically examining photos for a lot of years, and have a pretty good record of spotting fakes. This does not look like a fake.
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erik_t Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:07:06pm |
re: #77 thedopefishlives
Photos aren’t the problem. Video, which is the general purview of security cameras, is.
And storage. No use in a security camera that only has the last ten minutes of video, and HD video gobbles up flash remarkably quickly with a cheap low-power encoding computer.
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thedopefishlives Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:07:27pm |
re: #79 Charles Johnson
Every time an image like this comes out, we get people saying “if you zoom in, THE PIXELS!”
I’ve been microscopically examining photos for a lot of years, and have a pretty good record of spotting fakes. This does not look like a fake.
Yes, people, if you zoom in, there will be pixels. Congratulations, you managed to make a D in Computer Imaging 101.
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thedopefishlives Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:08:44pm |
re: #80 erik_t
And storage. No use in a security camera that only has the last ten minutes of video, and HD video gobbles up flash remarkably quickly with a cheap low-power encoding computer.
Consumer-grade MPEG2 encoders produce absolute crap for image quality. Doubly so at compression levels required to extend storage space to reasonable levels.
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Gus Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:09:36pm |
It also depends on the compression level you save it as. Here’s one I saved with 0 quality. Zoom in on this.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:10:12pm |
re: #76 Randall Gross
One of these days people will start installing security cameras that take decent pics now that reasonable quality photo sensors are cheap.
So we can all leave an archive of scratching our butts and picking our noses shot from a block away.
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Stanley Sea Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:10:16pm |
I just hope some parents in Mass are calling the cops to come get their sons.
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klys Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:10:32pm |
re: #79 Charles Johnson
Every time an image like this comes out, we get people saying “if you zoom in, THE PIXELS!”
I’ve been microscopically examining photos for a lot of years, and have a pretty good record of spotting fakes. This does not look like a fake.
A lot of people like to pretend to know something when they don’t. I am rarely surprised by this anymore.
I do take the judgement of more experienced people into account when forming my own decision.
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Randall Gross Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:10:49pm |
My five year old sony 16 mpx takes better video than this, and doesn’t use that much storage.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:10:49pm |
Check out this link:
@green_footballs passes basic shop-forensics fotoforensics.com/analysis.php?i…— william ricker (@n1vux) April 19, 2013
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Stanley Sea Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:12:28pm |
Teen stunned at portrayal as bombing suspect (from @ap) apne.ws/14AdYOb— Andy Carvin (@acarvin) April 19, 2013
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Four More Tears Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:13:03pm |
The next New York Post suspect.
Man who finished Boston Marathon seconds before bombing witnesses Texas explosion days later: apne.ws/11iIGXn -CC
— The Associated Press (@AP) April 19, 2013
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Walking Spanish Down the Hall Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:14:41pm |
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Stanley Sea Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:15:19pm |
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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:15:38pm |
Rachel @maddow giving the New York Post a well-deserved public shaming.— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) April 19, 2013
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SpaceJesus Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:17:48pm |
what connects white hat and black hat to the bombing?
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klys Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:18:37pm |
re: #94 SpaceJesus
what connects white hat and black hat to the bombing?
FBI has footage of white hat leaving a bag at the site of the second bombing.
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ProBosniaLiberal Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:18:38pm |
re: #89 Stanley Sea
Okay, that sent me over the line.
Morocco?!!? They are a fantastically loyal ally.
I think the demagogues need to do a groveling apology to Morocco.
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Randall Gross Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:18:44pm |
re: #94 SpaceJesus
what connects white hat and black hat to the bombing?
Dunno, but I’ve also been wondering why authorities are saying that they are probably armed.
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chadu Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:19:59pm |
re: #97 Randall Gross
Dunno, but I’ve also been wondering why authorities are saying that they are probably armed.
Basic assumption, I’d say.
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EvilScott2 Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:20:18pm |
re: #95 klys
They my be witnesses or persons of interest that may have information the FBI wants.
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recusancy Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:20:44pm |
re: #94 SpaceJesus
what connects white hat and black hat to the bombing?
FBI has more video that they aren’t releasing.
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Four More Tears Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:21:12pm |
re: #93 Charles Johnson
Last I checked they have no shame :-/
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klys Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:21:17pm |
re: #100 EvilScott2
They my be witnesses or persons of interest that may have information the FBI wants.
It’s true, but the FBI has named them specifically as suspects, both on their website and in the news conference today. It seems a deliberate choice of words.
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danarchy Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:21:59pm |
re: #94 SpaceJesus
what connects white hat and black hat to the bombing?
The FBI says they have not release all of the footage and images they have, just the ones that are most likely to lead to identification. One of the videos they haven’t released allegedly show’s the white hat guy dropping his backpack in the location of the second bomb I believe.
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darthstar Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:22:56pm |
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danarchy Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:24:57pm |
re: #97 Randall Gross
Dunno, but I’ve also been wondering why authorities are saying that they are probably armed.
I am guessing this is just to deter some yahoo from confronting someone.
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SpaceJesus Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:24:57pm |
white hat guy is going down, the entire fucking internet is on the job
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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:25:09pm |
re: #105 darthstar
That’s actually a method of adjusting contrast and levels that can often reveal edited images, based on the differences in color levels between the source and the edited version.
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Dr. Matt Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:27:07pm |
I’ve been offline for the last 5 hours; has Dim Jim confirmed that the suspects are former Obama campaign volunteers yet?
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darthstar Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:27:32pm |
re: #108 Charles Johnson
That’s actually a method of adjusting contrast and levels that can often reveal edited images, based on the differences in color levels between the source and the edited version.
Yep…just read the tutorial. Premature snarkification on my part.
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Varek Raith Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:28:13pm |
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Randall Gross Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:28:32pm |
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Redshirts Lament Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:28:52pm |
re: #109 Dr. Matt
I’ve been offline for the last 5 hours; has Dim Jim confirmed that the suspects are former Obama campaign volunteers yet?
OFA Fundraising staff from Pyongyang.
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SpaceJesus Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:35:29pm |
nevermind, reddit is just succeeding in getting death threats sent to random brown people over this
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Stanley Sea Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:36:23pm |
Sweet.
RT @buzzfeednews: Digital billboards showing Boston Marathon suspects around Boston area. Suspect #1: twitter.com/MassBillboards… (@massbillboar…— BWD (@theonlyadult) April 19, 2013
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Cheechako Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:39:46pm |
I’m surprised the media haven’t dubbed these “Persons of Interest” as the “Ball Cap Bombers”. Maybe they have. I won’t crawl into that sewer to see.
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Dr. Matt Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:40:18pm |
These kids are id’ed by midnight. Anyone want to make a Rmoney bet?
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Backwoods_Sleuth Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:40:19pm |
just saw this at another blog:
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darthstar Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:40:52pm |
re: #118 Dr. Matt
These kids are id’ed by midnight. Anyone want to make a Rmoney bet?
I’ll bet you a buck Romney’s still not president tomorrow.
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Cardio (formerly JRCMYP) Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:41:01pm |
re: #95 klys
FBI has footage of white hat leaving a bag at the site of the second bombing.
Location, timing and the actual bags they are carrying. They match the debris left over from the bombing.
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CuriousLurker Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:41:07pm |
re: #116 Stanley Sea
Sombody has recognized white cap by now.
If these guys have a lick of sense and any desire for self-preservation, they’ll turn themselves in in before someone on the street gets a hold of them.
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kmg Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:41:50pm |
re: #119 Backwoods_Sleuth
And is that his backpack on the ground?
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Cardio (formerly JRCMYP) Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:42:35pm |
re: #119 Backwoods_Sleuth
just saw this at another blog:
Ugh. Ugh. Ugh. This could have been me with my three boys.
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EvilScott2 Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:43:37pm |
You think these guys might already be in the UAE?
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Stanley Sea Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:43:37pm |
RT @mlcalderone: “The only thing they look at is my skin color and since I’m Moroccan I’m kind of dark.” nydn.us/Z6vjtN— amk4obama (@amk4obama) April 19, 2013
Please have lawyers knocking down your door.
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Cardio (formerly JRCMYP) Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:44:01pm |
re: #115 Stanley Sea
Sweet.
All over local news. Took my two youngest (7 and 9) out for dinner tonight at a local tavern. They had on the local news which was looping the images of these guys. Of course, my boys had questions. Lots of questions. Answered as best I could.
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CuriousLurker Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:44:15pm |
re: #119 Backwoods_Sleuth
just saw this at another blog:
I wonder where the bag is—not WH guy’s bag, but the brown one that was on the ground next to the big metal one, the one that people were initially suspicious of…
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Dr Lizardo Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:44:27pm |
re: #122 CuriousLurker
If these guys have a lick of sense and any desire for self-preservation, they’ll turn themselves in in before someone on the street gets a hold of them.
If White Hat and Black Hat don’t wish to find themselves the victims of the most epic necktie party in modern Boston history, they’d be well advised to turn themselves in.
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Gus Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:44:30pm |
re: #119 Backwoods_Sleuth
just saw this at another blog:
Is that Martin Richard standing up on the barrier?
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Cardio (formerly JRCMYP) Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:44:50pm |
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ReamWorks SKG Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:45:52pm |
re: #3 Charles Johnson
I was at Adobe for 9 years and worked on Photoshop for 5 of those. And I have No Idea if something’s faked or not.
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Kragar Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:45:58pm |
re: #127 Cardio (formerly JRCMYP)
All over local news. Took my two youngest (7 and 9) out for dinner tonight at a local tavern. They had on the local news which was looping the images of these guys. Of course, my boys had questions. Lots of questions. Answered as best I could.
Having a bunch of hard talks with my 9 and 11 year olds this month. Try to be honest and succinct as much as I can without scaring the pants off them.
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Backwoods_Sleuth Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:46:06pm |
I’m not seeing any backpack on the ground. Especially not where we’ve seen one before next to the big box
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makeitstop Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:46:24pm |
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klys Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:47:48pm |
re: #134 Backwoods_Sleuth
I’m not seeing any backpack on the ground. Especially not where we’ve seen one before next to the big box
Backpack wouldn’t have been in front of the barricades, based on the after photos. It needed to be behind the barricades in order for the blast/impact to wrap one of the barricades around the mailbox.
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:47:57pm |
re: #126 Stanley Sea
Please have lawyers knocking down your door.
I’d be willing to bet that once the actual perpetrators are caught and convicted, Salah Barhoum will own himself a large chunk of the New York Post.
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ReamWorks SKG Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:47:57pm |
BTW: Those “distorted pixels” near sharp edges are called “ringing” and a normal part of JPEG compression. Hang on a minute and I’ll make a sample image. (Why on earth does the NY Times allow this woman to be a “tech blogger”)
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Joanne Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:48:24pm |
re: #129 Dr Lizardo
If White Hat and Black Hat don’t wish to find themselves the victims of the most epic necktie party in modern Boston history, they’d be well advised to turn themselves in.
That was my thought, too. Someone finds these guys, there’ll be no ‘splainin of motives or specifics on methods. They’ll be dead.
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CuriousLurker Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:48:37pm |
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:48:51pm |
Jon Stewart: CNN-The ‘Human Centipede’ of News.
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Dr Lizardo Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:49:54pm |
re: #143 Joanne
That was my thought, too. Someone finds these guys, there’ll be no ‘splainin of motives or specifics on methods. They’ll be dead.
Much like what almost happened to Richard Ramirez, the Night Stalker. Had the LAPD not intervened, he would’ve likely been strung up by a mob.
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Stanley Sea Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:50:05pm |
re: #126 Stanley Sea
Please have lawyers knocking down your door.
“I want the people who did this to apologize. I didn’t deserve this,” said Barhoum. “Colleges aren’t going to want me now.”
Read more: nydailynews.com
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ReamWorks SKG Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:50:31pm |
This is exactly what I’d expect to see around any sharp edge in a JPEG
This “Jennifer” person is an idiot and should be arrested, IMHO. (She had a Twitter confirmed account which has been deleted. With any luck, the NY Times shitcanned her and the horse she rode in on, too.)
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Stanley Sea Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:50:33pm |
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CuriousLurker Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:50:35pm |
re: #139 klys
Backpack wouldn’t have been in front of the barricades, based on the after photos. It needed to be behind the barricades in order for the blast/impact to wrap one of the barricades around the mailbox.
I think Backwoods_Sleuth is prolly referring to the same bag I was in my #128.
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klys Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:52:56pm |
re: #150 CuriousLurker
I think Backwoods_Sleuth is prolly referring to the same bag I was in my #128.
No problem, I’m just saying that a) no idea when those photos were taken, where this one is clearly pretty close to the bombing and b) that wouldn’t be the right spot for the actual bomb anyway. I’ve seen the other photos in question and they were a little odd.
The runner is in just the wrong position, as it were, for us to get more info out of this one.
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Backwoods_Sleuth Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:53:32pm |
re: #150 CuriousLurker
I think Backwoods_Sleuth is prolly referring to the same bag I was in my #128.
yes, that one
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Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:56:24pm |
re: #120 darthstar
I’ll bet you a buck Romney’s still not president tomorrow.
Which is excellent news for John McCain.
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CuriousLurker Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:57:14pm |
re: #151 klys
No problem, I’m just saying that a) no idea when those photos were taken, where this one is clearly pretty close to the bombing and b) that wouldn’t be the right spot for the actual bomb anyway. I’ve seen the other photos in question and they were a little odd.
The runner is in just the wrong position, as it were, for us to get more info out of this one.
Oh, I agree—it doesn’t make sense. That other bag didn’t look like it was in the right spot to begin with. I’m certainly no expert, but the blast seemed like it would have originated farther back on the sidewalk.
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Cardio (formerly JRCMYP) Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:57:35pm |
re: #127 Cardio (formerly JRCMYP)
All over local news. Took my two youngest (7 and 9) out for dinner tonight at a local tavern. They had on the local news which was looping the images of these guys. Of course, my boys had questions. Lots of questions. Answered as best I could.
I find the more straightforward and factual I am, the easier it is to explain. It’s the editorial that either doesn’t compute or creates anxiety.
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EvilScott2 Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:58:01pm |
Is this a backpack? circled in redImage: possibleBackpack.jpg
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Walking Spanish Down the Hall Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:58:20pm |
re: #154 CuriousLurker
Oh, I agree—it doesn’t make sense. That other bag didn’t look like it was in the right spot to begin with. I’m certainly no expert, but the blast seemed like it would have originated farther back on the sidewalk.
Watch the video and you’ll see it was farther back.
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sauceruney Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:59:06pm |
People crying “photoshop” do nothing but distract skilled attention from more important investigation. It would be nice if Microsoft set up a page at photosynth.net for people to dump their photos from the event for a virtual reconstruction.
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Backwoods_Sleuth Thu, Apr 18, 2013 6:59:32pm |
re: #156 EvilScott2
Is this a backpack? circled in redImage: possibleBackpack.jpg
noticed that, but really can’t tell in the tangle of legs.
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klys Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:03:07pm |
re: #159 Backwoods_Sleuth
noticed that, but really can’t tell in the tangle of legs.
It seems possible.
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CuriousLurker Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:03:54pm |
re: #156 EvilScott2
Is this a backpack? circled in redImage: possibleBackpack.jpg
White Hat’s backpack is light gray with black accents, not black/dark blue. Watch the video in the last thread.
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ReamWorks SKG Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:04:58pm |
re: #40 Charles Johnson
Exactly! If some “redditor” made it as a prank, the source material would be elsewhere.
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Gus Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:06:36pm |
Appears to be the same location as that FBI photo. Notice the mailbox and the same blonde woman.
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Backwoods_Sleuth Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:08:25pm |
re: #163 Gus
Appears to be the same location as that FBI photo. Notice the mailbox and the same blonde woman.
the woman next to the blonde is also in both photos.
edited to clarify, woman wearing glasses, to the left of her.
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EvilScott2 Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:10:16pm |
re: #161 CuriousLurker
White hat’s backpack is grey on top, I think that’s all we can see from the video.
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klys Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:13:53pm |
It’s hard to be clear what’s in shadow, etc.
Folks have tried to look carefully at the surveillance video to compare stuff: screencap here.
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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:16:36pm |
The picture is at the right place and time. Of course the conspiracy theorists don’t have a leg to stand on.
This picture really isn’t too bad. It’s just a wide angle lens. That means the individuals take up a relatively small area on the camera sensor and there isn’t much detail recorded in terms of number of pixels. Exacerbate the issue with JPEG compression and zooming way in and the blocky look is a natural result. More detail in the subjects could have been resolved with a narrower angle lens. But then the subjects wouldn’t have been captured, they are at the edge of the frame already. Perhaps a wide angle lens with better edge sharpness or a camera like the D800e with more sensor resolution would have helped. But then again, most people don’t have thousands of bucks to blow on camera equipment like that. The only free improvement to be had would be if the lossless raw file is available, but that is unlikely.
I don’t know what the loons are expecting really.
Edit for clarty, I mean the top picture.
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Stanley Sea Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:17:11pm |
Check this. Guy in iconic photo with Carlos had bag placed at his feet and looked in the eyes of white hat.
RT @lrozen: must read RT @jaredbkeller: EXCLUSIVE: #Boston bombing victim helped #FBI identify attackers | bloom.bg/12r6GZB— Andy Carvin (@acarvin) April 19, 2013
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efuseakay Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:17:14pm |
re: #163 Gus
Appears to be the same location as that FBI photo. Notice the mailbox and the same blonde woman.
In that location, is he looking down the street from the first bomb to possibly spot his friend placing the other one?
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CuriousLurker Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:17:17pm |
re: #166 EvilScott2
White hat’s backpack is grey on top, I think that’s all we can see from the video.
Wrong. Here’s a screenshot from the video in the previous thread, 15 second mark. The backpack is clearly gray with black accents/trim. Go watch it for yourself.
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klys Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:20:17pm |
re: #171 Stanley Sea
Check this. Guy in iconic photo with Carlos had bag placed at his feet and looked in the eyes of white hat.
Wow. Doesn’t say it was white hat in the article, FYI - which makes sense, because bomb #1 was black hat. But to have seen the guy …that explains part of how they were able to narrow it down so quickly, in addition to the forensic evidence. They already knew what they were looking for in some of the photos.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:20:36pm |
re: #175 Varek Raith
Maybe the backpack left for the UAE?
From backpack to camel hump in a day
What a brilliant disguise!!
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Gus Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:20:55pm |
Well, it doesn’t wash very well then. If suspect #1 left the scene with his pack and suspect #2 left the scene without his pack how could have there have been two bombs?
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sattv4u2 Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:22:22pm |
re: #178 Gus
Well, it doesn’t wash very well then. If suspect #1 left the scene with his pack and suspect #2 left the scene without his pack how could have there have been two bombs?
3 packs to start with?
(the 3rd with regular stuff, or stuff needed to detonate but not part of the bombs)???
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CuriousLurker Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:22:58pm |
re: #178 Gus
Well, it doesn’t wash very well then. If suspect #1 left the scene with his pack and suspect #2 left the scene without his pack how could have there have been two bombs?
Good question.
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Stanley Sea Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:23:05pm |
re: #171 Stanley Sea
Check this. Guy in iconic photo with Carlos had bag placed at his feet and looked in the eyes of white hat.
Find Jeff Bauman in those shots. Bag was at his feet.
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danarchy Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:23:16pm |
re: #178 Gus
Well, it doesn’t wash very well then. If suspect #1 left the scene with his pack and suspect #2 left the scene without his pack how could have there have been two bombs?
Am I missing something? Where are you getting that someone left with their pack?
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SpaceJesus Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:23:22pm |
is the kid to the left of the backpack the one that died? the 8 year old?
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klys Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:23:34pm |
re: #178 Gus
Well, it doesn’t wash very well then. If suspect #1 left the scene with his pack and suspect #2 left the scene without his pack how could have there have been two bombs?
Who what pack where when how now?
//
Although in all seriousness, I’m not following the reference. Clarify for me?
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Gus Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:25:20pm |
re: #184 klys
Who what pack where when how now?
//
Although in all seriousness, I’m not following the reference. Clarify for me?
Never mind. The FBI didn’t mention what suspect number 1 did with his pack. However, this is the scene where white hat guy dropped off his bomb.
Suspect 2 set down a back pack at the site of the second explosion just in front of the Forum Restaurant.
— FBI
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EvilScott2 Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:25:48pm |
re: #174 CuriousLurker
There are a lot of similarities in the colors and shapes to rule out the possibility during an investigation. Keep in mind things can be covered, shading can occur (naturally and electronically), etc. You cannot dismiss it out of hand because of what you think you see.
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klys Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:26:13pm |
re: #183 SpaceJesus
is the kid to the left the one that died? the 8 year old?
The picture looks consistent with pictures released to the media of him. He died at the second bomb site, which is what is pictured there (obviously pre-bombing). My understanding is that Lingzi Lu also died at the second blast site.
Krystle died at the first bomb site, which is also where Jeff was.
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Skip Intro Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:26:45pm |
This just gets weirder and weirder.
We’ve got this guy, who has done as much as he can to hide his appearance.
A man wearing a cap, sunglasses and a black jacket over a hooded sweatshirt looked at Jeff, 27, and dropped a bag at his feet, his brother, Chris Bauman, said in an interview.
Then we’ve got White Cap, who mugs for the cameras and does everything up to dropping his pants and mooning them.
What am I missing here?
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insert name here Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:26:50pm |
Just a short note regarding JPEG pixilation artifacts…
JPEG images actually “compress” the original picture data so that an image can be stored with many fewer bits. This compression process, however, is “lossy”, that is, information is lost and some image quality is sacrificed.
The compression process actually works by converting a picture’s spatial data into frequency information (via a technique known as a cosine transform), and this frequency information is then quantized. The upshot is that the higher frequency information is the first to be thrown out (and is unrecoverable, hence “lossy” compression).
The result is that, within an image, objects that have sharp transitions (e.g. from light to dark or vice-versa) will have some amount of “ringing” around them ( the amount of ringing is determined both by the degree of compression and the sharpness of the transition).
Charles is exactly correct - the artifacts around the guy’s head is because the image is, or was, a JPEG.
(By the way, this type of ringing has an analogy in the audio world: if you pass a square wave through a low pass filter and look at the resultant waveform on a scope, you’ll see ringing on the transition).
There. Everything you didn’t want to know about JPEGs and why they have artifacts.
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:28:17pm |
re: #189 insert name here
Is that ringing what we refer to as Noise?
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SpaceJesus Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:28:24pm |
Interesting read from guy in hospital who identified the bomber
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Stanley Sea Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:28:36pm |
re: #183 SpaceJesus
is the kid to the left of the backpack the one that died? the 8 year old?
I, and twitter believe so.
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stabby Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:28:42pm |
I just checked PJ Media. Those people are being lied to and they’re so badly informed.
They’re NOT being told that 90% of the public wants universal background checks on gun buyers.
Note that if that maximally broke down on party lines that would be 100% of Democrats vs. 80% of Republicans.
86% of gun owners want it.
So they also WEREN’T told that it was a filibuster. They think there was a vote.
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Varek Raith Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:28:59pm |
re: #186 EvilScott2
There are a lot of similarities in the colors and shapes to rule out the possibility during an investigation. Keep in mind things can be covered, shading can occur (naturally and electronically), etc. You cannot dismiss it out of hand because of what you think you see.
Yep, backpack cloaking devices.
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klys Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:29:40pm |
re: #192 Gus
Suspects my ass. I think these guys are the ones.
Yes, but the government isn’t allowed to say that until a conviction. Technically. Ish.
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Stanley Sea Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:31:15pm |
Mothers turn in your sons. I seriously think some family shit is going down now. Unless they are hiding in bunkers.
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:32:46pm |
re: #199 stabby
Formal mathematical description of the phenomenon
That heading is enough to make me want to crawl under the covers for the rest of my life.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:34:11pm |
re: #198 Stanley Sea
Mothers turn in your sons. I seriously think some family shit is going down now. Unless they are hiding in bunkers.
looking at them and knowing the area I can’t help but think they are college roommates, either in a dorm or an apartment in the area that caters to college kids. Keep in mind there are at least a dozen colleges within walking distance of where this happened. Some are large schools with 10’s of thousands of students at that
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insert name here Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:34:36pm |
re: #190 FemNaziBitch
Is that ringing what we refer to as Noise?
The artifacts really aren’t noise, in my opinion. Noise, to me, is a random process, such as you would see on a tv screen when the tv was set to a channel that no one was broadcasting on (back in the old days!). Rather, these artifacts represent the loss of original picture information, rather than the addition of random stuff.
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CuriousLurker Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:35:17pm |
re: #186 EvilScott2
There are a lot of similarities in the colors and shapes to rule out the possibility during an investigation. Keep in mind things can be covered, shading can occur (naturally and electronically), etc. You cannot dismiss it out of hand because of what you think you see.
I didn’t dismiss anything out of hand.
1.) You asked if something could be a backpack. I said WH’s backpack wasn’t black or dark blue, it was gray.
2.) You then disputed that, asserting that we could only see the that the top. I said you were wrong and provided a screenshot showing why.
In which case did I dismiss anything out of hand, #1 or #2?
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:35:24pm |
re: #194 stabby
I just checked PJ Media. Those people are being lied to and they’re so badly informed.
They’re NOT being told that 90% of the public wants universal background checks on gun buyers.
Note that if that maximally broke down on party lines that would be 100% of Democrats vs. 80% of Republicans.
86% of gun owners want it.
So they also WEREN’T told that it was a filibuster. They think there was a vote.
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danarchy Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:35:33pm |
A bit of a non sequitur, anyone else hate how the news channels run the “Breaking News” banner for news that is several hours old? Wouldn’t that be “Broken News”?
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sauceruney Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:36:18pm |
re: #194 stabby
I just checked PJ Media. Those people
are being lied todon’t care what the truth is and they’re so badly informed.
FTFY
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:36:28pm |
re: #203 insert name here
The artifacts really aren’t noise, in my opinion. Noise, to me, is a random process, such as you would see on a tv screen when the tv was set to a channel that no one was broadcasting on (back in the old days!). Rather, these artifacts represent the loss of original picture information, rather than the addition of random stuff.
I only ask because I can minimize and sometimes get rid of that ringing by manipulating the “noise” filters in Photoshop.
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insert name here Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:37:02pm |
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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:37:11pm |
PJ Media sucks, big time. And I say that as one of the founders.— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) April 19, 2013
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Stanley Sea Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:37:30pm |
re: #202 sattv4u2
looking at them and knowing the area I can’t help but think they are college roommates, either in a dorm or an apartment in the area that caters to college kids. Keep in mind there are at least a dozen colleges within walking distance of where this happened. Some are large schools with 10’s of thousands of students at that
My friend from Boston said he wouldn’t put it past some “punks”
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Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:38:18pm |
re: #173 klys
CSI! CSI! ENHANCE!
No, its the opposite. You can’t enhance. Not without deconvolution and a lot time on your hands.
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Walking Spanish Down the Hall Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:38:27pm |
Sometimes I think it would be a good idea to bring back drawing and quartering.
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Olsonist Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:39:01pm |
re: #190 FemNaziBitch
Is that ringing what we refer to as Noise?
No. Ringing is an artifact from passing an edge through an image filter. Noise is random artifacts from sampling the sensors. But the best explanation is just looking at some images in the Wikipedia entries.
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klys Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:39:57pm |
I’ve been listening to the Boston police scanners this evening and there was an officer down call about 5 minutes ago.
I don’t know who they are or where they are but my best thoughts are going with them right now.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:40:38pm |
re: #211 Stanley Sea
My friend from Boston said he wouldn’t put it past some “punks”
Depending on the “brand” of “punks”, they would have targeted a specific group
They would have done this in Jamaica Plain during a Caribbean festival,,, or the Lower Mills during a hip hop concert ,,, or in Southie during the Saint Patricks Day Parade, or the North End during the Italian Feasts
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Gus Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:40:39pm |
re: #213 Walking Spanish Down the Hall
Sometimes I think it would be a good idea to bring back drawing and quartering.
Find them!
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insert name here Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:40:39pm |
re: #208 FemNaziBitch
I only ask because I can minimize and sometimes get rid of that ringing by manipulating the “noise” filters in Photoshop.
That’s quite possible, depending upon the filtering characteristics of these filters. I have to admit that I’m lousy at photoshop, though, so I’m not familiar with them.
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Kragar Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:41:07pm |
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Dr. Matt Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:41:28pm |
The suspects should leave the dangerous surroundings of Boston and head over to the safe confines of Detroit. Just sayin…..,
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Walking Spanish Down the Hall Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:41:29pm |
OT.
The hawks are back, and I watched a Golden eagle looking for something to eat yesterday, and a bald eagle flew over my car tonight as I drove home.
In other news, I saw a flock of Canada geese heading south. They must have gotten fed up with the snow.
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Mich-again Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:42:17pm |
Its not just the two punks I want to see caught. I want to know who turned them into such animals.
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Stanley Sea Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:43:07pm |
Fem Nazi, Dark?
RT @weeddude: Just in: @weatherchannel confirms entire town of London Mills, IL is being evacuated due to levee breach. (@bradenframe)— Andrew Kaczynski (@BuzzFeedAndrew) April 19, 2013
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Mich-again Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:43:07pm |
re: #221 Dr. Matt
The suspects should leave the dangerous surroundings of Boston and head over to the safe confines of Detroit. Just sayin…..,
Because anytime is a good time to get a dig at Detroit. jeesh.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:43:54pm |
re: #223 Mich-again
Its not just the two punks I want to see caught. I want to know who turned them into such animals.
Thats why I’m thinking college roomies. Night after night, hour after hour, they found something in common to rail against. Just the two of them with similar thoughts and came to a similar conclusion
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dragonath Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:44:03pm |
re: #219 Kragar
‘Cowards’ Billboard Lights Up Boston Skyline in Wake of Blasts
I read that the unions have put out a 50,000 dollar reward for information about the bombers. They have been doing a lot of things since the bombing happened.
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Backwoods_Sleuth Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:44:16pm |
night all. Hoping to get some sleep before the big storm arrives. Dogs are already whinging…sigh…
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Walking Spanish Down the Hall Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:44:30pm |
re: #227 sattv4u2
Thats why I’m thinking college roomies. Night after night, hour after hour, they found something in common to rail against. Just the two of them with similar thoughts and came to a similar conclusion
Sick fucks are sick fucks.
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Stanley Sea Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:44:41pm |
re: #216 sattv4u2
Depending on the “brand” of “punks”, they would have targeted a specific group
They would have done this in Jamaica Plain during a Caribbean festival,,, or the Lower Mills during a hip hop concert ,,, or in Southie during the Saint Patricks Day Parade, or the North End during the Italian Feasts
He mentioned a place, but it shows his probably unfair broad brush, so I’m not repeating it.
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Dr. Matt Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:45:32pm |
re: #225 Mich-again
Because anytime is a good time to get a dig at Detroit. jeesh.
Born and raised there. I did my time. I earned my stripes. Enjoy your comfy confines in the 586.
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efuseakay Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:45:36pm |
re: #224 Stanley Sea
Fem Nazi, Dark?
Don’t think that’s anywhere near them. Definitely nowhere near me. Got lucky here in northern Cook county.
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:45:37pm |
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sattv4u2 Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:45:49pm |
re: #231 Stanley Sea
He mentioned a place, but it shows his probably unfair broad brush, so I’m not repeating it.
“a place”?
lemme guess
Either Southie or Charlestown ((seeing that the photo of #2 is clearly a white male)
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:46:38pm |
re: #221 Dr. Matt
The suspects should leave the dangerous surroundings of Boston and head over to the safe confines of Detroit. Just sayin…..,
eh, storms coming that way, I’d go South.
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Stanley Sea Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:47:37pm |
re: #235 sattv4u2
“a place”?
lemme guess
Either Southie or Charlestown ((seeing that the photo of #2 is clearly a white male)
Nope.
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:48:13pm |
Did the website recently change the way linked tweets are rendered?
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:48:26pm |
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:48:42pm |
Look for corn prices to rise even higher this year.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:48:56pm |
Oh ,, goody
Mrs Satty’s been home since Saturday sick
Son is coming home from college tomorrow for a doctors appt. he thinks he has strep throat
And here I am sitting at work, starting to cough and with shivers every so often!!
Joy !!
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EvilScott2 Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:49:35pm |
re: #235 sattv4u2
“a place”?
lemme guess
Either Southie or Charlestown ((seeing that the photo of #2 is clearly a white male)
I don’t think one can judge ethnicity or race at this point. And by “white”, does that include or exclude any races or ethnicities?
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klys Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:49:59pm |
Back to the photoshopped debate, found a version of the photo uploaded to Facebook on Monday, with comments from folks. Legit.
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:50:06pm |
re: #243 sattv4u2
Oh ,, goody
Mrs Satty’s been home since Saturday sick
Son is coming home from college tomorrow for a doctors appt. he thinks he has strep throat
And here I am sitting at work, starting to cough and with shivers every so often!!
Joy !!
Yeah, it’s been a fun year, hasn’t it?
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sattv4u2 Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:50:57pm |
re: #239 Stanley Sea
Nope.
Ah well. Then i would have to know what nationality he thinks these ‘punks’ heritage is so I could pinpoint the “place”
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Gus Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:51:14pm |
GRAPHIC WARNING - CLICK AT YOUR OWN CHOOSING
OK?
It also includes aftermath scenes in front of the Forum restaurant.
GRAPHIC WARNING - CLICK AT YOUR OWN CHOOSING
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Varek Raith Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:51:26pm |
re: #244 EvilScott2
I don’t think one can judge ethnicity or race at this point. And by “white”, does that include or exclude any races or ethnicities?
But clearly they are from the UAE and or Muslim per your post earlier.
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:51:51pm |
Photoshops:
Image: photoshops.png
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CuriousLurker Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:51:59pm |
re: #211 Stanley Sea
My friend from Boston said he wouldn’t put it past some “punks”
re: #216 sattv4u2
Depending on the “brand” of “punks”, they would have targeted a specific group
They would have done this in Jamaica Plain during a Caribbean festival,,, or the Lower Mills during a hip hop concert ,,, or in Southie during the Saint Patricks Day Parade, or the North End during the Italian Feasts
Personally, I don’t give a damn WTF their motive was. You don’t maim and kill innocent people. FULL STOP. If you do, I’m perfectly okay with you being given a fair trial, found guilty, and then put to death (which happens to be a hell of a lot more than your victims got).
I know some of you are vehemently opposed to the death penalty, but I’m not. Not in cases of terrorism.
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sugikoi Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:52:05pm |
re: #244 EvilScott2
I don’t think one can judge ethnicity or race at this point. And by “white”, does that include or exclude any races or ethnicities?
Yes, absolutely no way to tell ethnicity (or motive). I change perceived race in the winter and summer and if I am wearing a hat or not and where I am in the US or abroad.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:52:56pm |
re: #244 EvilScott2
I don’t think one can judge ethnicity or race at this point
I can clearly ‘judge” that White Hat is a White Kid
And by “white”, does that include or exclude any races or ethnicities?
Never said that nor intimated it
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sattv4u2 Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:53:31pm |
re: #252 CuriousLurker
I know some of you are vehemently opposed to the death penalty, but I’m not. Not in cases of terrorism.
That
Again
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sugikoi Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:54:12pm |
re: #249 Gus
Those pictures make me mad as hell but also show how the majority human instinct is to help one another. Bastards.
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Varek Raith Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:54:26pm |
re: #253 sugikoi
Yes, absolutely no way to tell ethnicity (or motive). I change perceived race in the winter and summer and if I am wearing a hat or not and where I am in the US or abroad.
Weren’t you the one convinced the Saudi National was the one who did it?
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sugikoi Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:55:03pm |
re: #254 sattv4u2
I don’t think one can judge ethnicity or race at this point
I can clearly ‘judge” that White Hat is a White Kid
And by “white”, does that include or exclude any races or ethnicities?Never said that nor intimated it
Satt, no you can’t. Trust me as a mixed race/ethnicity person you can’t.
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Joanne Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:55:39pm |
re: #224 Stanley Sea
Fem Nazi, Dark?
Not Dark he’s farther north. I’m from Chicago and never heard of this town so it’s got to be a goodly bit south.
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CuriousLurker Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:56:22pm |
re: #223 Mich-again
Its not just the two punks I want to see caught. I want to know who turned them into such animals.
No one did. Young as they may be, they’re plenty old enough to know right from wrong. They had free will and they made a choice—something they didn’t give their victims.
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sugikoi Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:56:38pm |
re: #257 Varek Raith
Weren’t you the one convinced the Saudi National was the one who did it?
No, I was convinced the Saudi National was a person of interest in spite of the fact that Robert Spencer also thought so. Until the police said he was not -after- inspecting his home and talking to his room mates.
I objected to and object to any speculation about nationality or motive including definitely right wing nut.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:57:11pm |
re: #252 CuriousLurker
re: #216 sattv4u2
Personally, I don’t give a damn WTF their motive was. You don’t maim and kill innocent people. FULL STOP. If you do, I’m perfectly okay with you being given a fair trial, found guilty, and then put to death (which happens to be a hell of a lot more than your victims got).
I know some of you are vehemently opposed to the death penalty, but I’m not. Not in cases of terrorism.
Can they execute them? It’s my understanding that Massachusetts doesn’t have the DP. I think the only way they’d be executed is if they were tried by the feds. Anyhow, I’m happy to let them rot in jail for the rest of their lives. But I’d be lying to you and everyone else here if I said I don’t have my opposition to the DP tested by cases like this one.
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:57:42pm |
BACK TO Photoshop …
So my camera takes pix in RAW —they upload to my computer in JPG and I pull them into Photoshop which always seems to save things in PNG.
Should I be worried?
I don’t want mixed-file little picturess.
:0
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EvilScott2 Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:57:46pm |
re: #254 sattv4u2
I don’t think one can judge ethnicity or race at this point
I can clearly ‘judge” that White Hat is a White Kid
And by “white”, does that include or exclude any races or ethnicities?Never said that nor intimated it
Okay, well not sure what you are saying. Could be caucasian, sami, turk, afghan, hispanic, persian, arab, etc. Many of those people have “white” skin.
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Varek Raith Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:57:56pm |
re: #125 EvilScott2
You think these guys might already be in the UAE?
I must be imagining things then.
Carry on!
;)
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:58:36pm |
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Varek Raith Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:58:54pm |
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CuriousLurker Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:59:15pm |
re: #263 HappyWarrior
Can they execute them? It’s my understanding that Massachusetts doesn’t have the DP. I think the only way they’d be executed is if they were tried by the feds. Anyhow, I’m happy to let them rot in jail for the rest of their lives. But I’d be lying to you and everyone else here if I said I don’t have my opposition to the DP tested by cases like this one.
I have no idea what the law is in MA, but I have to wonder if they might not face some sort of federal terrorism charge.
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klys Thu, Apr 18, 2013 7:59:51pm |
re: #262 sugikoi
No, I was convinced the Saudi National was a person of interest in spite of the fact that Robert Spencer also thought so. Until the police said he was not -after- inspecting his home and talking to his room mates.
I objected to and object to any speculation about nationality or motive including definitely right wing nut.
Ok. I need clarification. What was your basis for believing the Saudi National was a person of interest?
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:00:05pm |
re: #264 FemNaziBitch
BACK TO Photoshop …
So my camera takes pix in RAW —they upload to my computer in JPG and I pull them into Photoshop which always seems to save things in PNG.
Should I be worried?
I don’t want mixed-file little picturess.
:0
LIghten up Evil Scott
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HappyWarrior Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:00:29pm |
re: #269 CuriousLurker
I have no idea what the law is in MA, but I have to wonder if they might not face some sort of federal terrorism charge.
Ah that’s a good point that I honestly didn’t think of. We’ll see I guess. I really hope they catch these guys. Fucking bastards.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:00:32pm |
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:01:23pm |
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HappyWarrior Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:03:19pm |
re: #274 FemNaziBitch
I don’t understand the law about this. When does it become a Federal Crime?
Okay, this isn’t quite the best example since it involves robbery. But I would think if you say rob a state bank, then you’d be prosecuted by your local county but if you say robbed a bank owned by the federal government, then it would be federal. Kidnapping someone and then taking them across state lines also gets the feds involved. Not totally sure about things like murder and terrorism though.
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CuriousLurker Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:03:45pm |
re: #263 HappyWarrior
Can they execute them? It’s my understanding that Massachusetts doesn’t have the DP. I think the only way they’d be executed is if they were tried by the feds. Anyhow, I’m happy to let them rot in jail for the rest of their lives. But I’d be lying to you and everyone else here if I said I don’t have my opposition to the DP tested by cases like this one.
Just to clarify: I’m not saying I want them dead. If they spend the rest of their lives in prison, I’m okay with that, but if they were given the DP I wouldn’t shed any more tears over them than I shed over McVeigh, which was exactly zero.
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:05:06pm |
re: #275 HappyWarrior
Okay, this isn’t quite the best example since it involves robbery. But I would think if you say rob a state bank, then you’d be prosecuted by your local county but if you say robbed a bank owned by the federal government, then it would be federal. Kidnapping someone and then taking them across state lines also gets the feds involved. Not totally sure about things like murder and terrorism though.
Thanks, I think I got the basics. With all the recent (last 10 years) have murder or terrorism been redefined in anyway to make certain acts federal crimes? Does anyone know?
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sattv4u2 Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:05:12pm |
re: #265 EvilScott2
Okay, well not sure what you are saying. Could be caucasian, sami, turk, afghan, hispanic, persian, arab, etc. Many of those people have “white” skin.
i’m not talking about his (or his ancestors) country of origin.
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klys Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:05:23pm |
re: #264 ggt
BACK TO Photoshop …
So my camera takes pix in RAW —they upload to my computer in JPG and I pull them into Photoshop which always seems to save things in PNG.
Should I be worried?
I don’t want mixed-file little picturess.
:0
RAW files are essentially recording exactly what light is hitting the sensor. It’s the digital version of a negative, if you were. They are BIG files, but excellent for doing photo manipulation after the fact, if desired. For example, this and this are the same base image, processed from RAW differently (Tofino, British Columbia, where I was last week).
A lot of cameras will save as RAW , which means they also save a JPEG file processed according to the on-board parameters, since most folks expect JPEG images. That’s probably what you’re seeing when your computer transfers the files.
Photoshop can save in a variety of formats; my guess is that yours is set to default to PNG (for Internet use maybe?) as I believe it is somewhat better than JPEG in terms of loss of image quality. I’m not sure on that part though.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:05:27pm |
re: #276 CuriousLurker
Just to clarify: I’m not saying I want them dead. If they spend the rest of their lives in prison, I’m okay with that, but if they were given the DP I wouldn’t shed any more tears over them than I shed over McVeigh, which was exactly zero.
Gotcha. No worries. As I said, some cases really test my personal opposition to it.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:05:52pm |
re: #274 FemNaziBitch
I don’t understand the law about this. When does it become a Federal Crime?
I think once the FBI classified it as a terror attack (which they did)
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CuriousLurker Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:06:32pm |
re: #274 FemNaziBitch
I don’t understand the law about this. When does it become a Federal Crime?
I don’t even know if it does, I was just saying it might.
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EvilScott2 Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:06:50pm |
They can certainly be executed by the Feds just as McVeigh was.
Federal Terrorism charges. Terre Haute here we come!
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klys Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:07:04pm |
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:07:40pm |
re: #279 klys
RAW files are essentially recording exactly what light is hitting the sensor. It’s the digital version of a negative, if you were. They are BIG files, but excellent for doing photo manipulation after the fact, if desired. For example, this and this are the same base image, processed from RAW differently (Tofino, British Columbia, where I was last week).
A lot of cameras will save as RAW , which means they also save a JPEG file processed according to the on-board parameters, since most folks expect JPEG images. That’s probably what you’re seeing when your computer transfers the files.
Photoshop can save in a variety of formats; my guess is that yours is set to default to PNG (for Internet use maybe?) as I believe it is somewhat better than JPEG in terms of loss of image quality. I’m not sure on that part though.
Your pictures are beautiful. What type of camera did you use?
PNG isn’t for internet use, it’s just the Photoshop file ending. All I know is that when I save a photo for the web (in JPG) the quality is much worse. I use PNG for printing and working with in Photoshop.
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sugikoi Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:07:52pm |
re: #270 klys
Ok. I need clarification. What was your basis for believing the Saudi National was a person of interest?
They were searching his apartment while he was under guard in the hospital. My points were 1) Just because Spencer et. al. want desperately for the perp to be Muslim does not mean he was not Muslim and 2) it seemed to me until -after- the police left his apartment and spoke to his room mates that he was indeed a person of interest.
I also mentioned that any speculation and any applying of a political stencil was wrong before the facts came out which I assume most people here agree with.
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White African American Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:07:53pm |
It’s been bugging since I saw the very first pictures of #whitehat.
He reminds me of someone with that backwards cap and the smirk on his face.
And it’s just come to me:
Dylan Klebold!
Image: eric-dylan-commons-longhsot.jpg
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dragonath Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:09:01pm |
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:09:11pm |
re: #288 White African American
It’s been bugging since I saw the very first pictures of #whitehat.
He reminds me of someone with that backwards cap and the smirk on his face.
And it’s just come to me:
Dylan Klebold!
Image: eric-dylan-commons-longhsot.jpg
Didn’t George Carlin say something about white guys with their hats on backwards?
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klys Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:09:13pm |
re: #286 FemNaziBitch
Your pictures are beautiful. What type of camera did you use?
PNG isn’t for internet use, it’s just the Photoshop file ending. All I know is that when I save a photo for the web (in JPG) the quality is much worse. I use PNG for printing and working with in Photoshop.
I have a Pentax K-5 for shooting. I’ve gotten into photography (landscape, mostly) over the past few years but I still have so much to learn. Just processing the photos differently can make a huge difference.
Tofino was gorgeous. Makes good pictures easier. On the way to Hot Spring Cove.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:10:03pm |
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:10:42pm |
re: #291 klys
I have a Pentax K-5 for shooting. I’ve gotten into photography (landscape, mostly) over the past few years but I still have so much to learn. Just processing the photos differently can make a huge difference.
Tofino was gorgeous. Makes good pictures easier. On the way to Hot Spring Cove.
Way kewl tree!!!!! I have a whole file of just tree trunks. Strange I know.
I love the processing part, but it’s best to start with the best possible pic possible. Which involves math. I’m trying very hard to become somewhat proficient.
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CuriousLurker Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:11:08pm |
re: #291 klys
I have a Pentax K-5 for shooting. I’ve gotten into photography (landscape, mostly) over the past few years but I still have so much to learn. Just processing the photos differently can make a huge difference.
Tofino was gorgeous. Makes good pictures easier. On the way to Hot Spring Cove.
Wow, beautiful stuff, nice composition. You have a great eye.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:11:36pm |
re: #290 FemNaziBitch
Didn’t George Carlin say something about white guys with their hats on backwards?
What’s ironic to me is I associate the backwards hat look that Kleboid had with the jocks him and Harris detested.I remember the kids I went to school with who could be called “trenchcoat mafia” and they never struck me as the baseball hat wearing types.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:11:51pm |
re: #287 sugikoi
So basically, you admit to being misled by right wing sources. Good to know.
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klys Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:12:26pm |
re: #293 FemNaziBitch
Way kewl tree!!!!! I have a whole file of just tree trunks. Strange I know.
I love the processing part, but it’s best to start with the best possible pic possible. Which involves math. I’m trying very hard to become somewhat proficient.
I took …130? 150? photos this trip and ended up with maybe …5 I like. It’s a learning process. But thank you! I like getting feedback.
I try to remember rule of thirds (or barring that, try not to be centered).
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Walking Spanish Down the Hall Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:12:38pm |
re: #291 klys
I have a Pentax K-5 for shooting. I’ve gotten into photography (landscape, mostly) over the past few years but I still have so much to learn. Just processing the photos differently can make a huge difference.
Tofino was gorgeous. Makes good pictures easier. On the way to Hot Spring Cove.
That can’t be BC.
The sun is shining.
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CuriousLurker Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:13:04pm |
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klys Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:13:50pm |
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sattv4u2 Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:13:52pm |
re: #299 CuriousLurker
&^%$^$%#! That’s it, I’m done for the night. No more bad news.
G’nite, everyone.
hey,, don’t get pissed at the messenger !!!
/
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:13:56pm |
re: #297 klys
I took …130? 150? photos this trip and ended up with maybe …5 I like. It’s a learning process. But thank you! I like getting feedback.
I try to remember rule of thirds (or barring that, try not to be centered).
eh, rule of thirds —I was an art major in college. Visual balance is a fun thing.
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klys Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:15:09pm |
re: #302 FemNaziBitch
eh, rule of thirds —I was an art major in college. Visual balance is a fun thing.
I come at it from the totally different perspective - science all the way. But this is better than trying to draw because at least it sort of comes out like I want it to and as I see it.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:15:21pm |
It’s always good to see someone wake up and realize that they’re being misled, by the likes of Robert Spencer and the New York Post.
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sugikoi Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:17:12pm |
re: #296 Charles Johnson
So basically, you admit to being misled by right wing sources. Good to know.
I don’t really read any right wing sources actively (I do link through drudge). I watch my FB feed. MOst of my friends are “liberal” and post accordingly.
At the time I commented they were searching his apartment confirmed by his room mate saying they searched his apartment. That made me think he was a person of interest whatever they were saying.
Lastly, you were right that the items either taken from his apartment or used to search it were not evidence.
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sugikoi Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:18:13pm |
re: #304 Charles Johnson
It’s always good to see someone wake up and realize that they’re being misled, by the likes of Robert Spencer and the New York Post.
I think Robert Spencer is a bigot.
I only look at the Post when a particular article interests me from my FB feed etc…
I am certainly aware of their bias.
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prairiefire Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:21:48pm |
You guys, you guys, you guys, you guys, I just discovered on Ancestry that I am a cousin to President Barrack Obama through his Wolfley grandfather, this dude~Johann Conrad Wolfley Birth: Jul. 29, 1729, Germany Death: Mar. 20, 1794 Middletown Dauphin County Pennsylvania, USA President Obama’s 6th great-grandfather Born Johann Conrad Woelflin to Maria Margaretha and Johann Martin Woelflin on Jul. 29, 1729, in Besigheim, a small town north of Stuttgart on the Enz river where it feeds into the Neckar. He sailed aboard a ship called “Patience” in 1750 to America, changing his last name to “Wolfley” upon arrival and eventually settling in Middletown, Pennsylvania. In Middletown, he married Anna Catherine Schockey in 1756 and had at least six children, including Lewis Wolfley - Obama’s 5-Great Grandfather - who was born in 1766. He and his family lived in the house at 429 N. Union St and the house is today on the National Register of Historic Places. Records show Wolfley was an overseer of the poor between 1773 and 1774 at St. Peter’s. Family links: Spouse: Anna Catherine Schockey Wolfley (1738 - 1803) Burial: Saint Peters Cemetery Middletown Dauphin County Pennsylvania, USA Created by: B_Valco Record added: Jun 13, 2009 Find A Grave Memorial# 38289938
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EvilScott2 Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:21:54pm |
I can usually tell if someone is a die-hard liberal or conservative pretty quickly. Their posts mean much less than the thoughtful, middle-of-the-roaders.
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stabby Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:22:30pm |
re: #203 insert name here
The artifacts really aren’t noise, in my opinion. Noise, to me, is a random process, such as you would see on a tv screen when the tv was set to a channel that no one was broadcasting on (back in the old days!). Rather, these artifacts represent the loss of original picture information, rather than the addition of random stuff.
They are noise in two senses:
1) any deviation from perfect is noise
2) some of that isn’t really gibbs phenomenon, it’s quantization noise in cosine coefficients.
To the extent that a compressor might just decide to zero out high frequency bins, you get actual gibbs phenomena. However that can be avoided by putting in some roll off in the bins near the zeroed ones. There’s also a trade off between sharpness and lack of ringing - if you upsample a signal then unless you want roll off you have to have some ringing. Though for pictures you can use a compact ringing kernel that’s just 2 or 3 pixels and preserve the sharpness, people’s eyes not being sensitive to frequency aliasing the way ears are…
I know WAY TOO MUCH about this.
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klys Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:24:17pm |
re: #308 EvilScott2
I can usually tell if someone is a die-hard liberal or conservative pretty quickly. Their posts mean much less than the thoughtful, middle-of-the-roaders.
And our takeaway of your posts should be …?
Anyway, upstairs.
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Randall Gross Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:25:02pm |
re: #264 FemNaziBitch
BACK TO Photoshop …
So my camera takes pix in RAW —they upload to my computer in JPG and I pull them into Photoshop which always seems to save things in PNG.
Should I be worried?
I don’t want mixed-file little picturess.
:0
Purists and pros import as raw images. That way you get a full lossless image with no compression. All the data is still there so if you want to lighten or darken exposure, adjust white balance & other things in lightroom you can easily do so. It takes a lot more space however, so I don’t recommend it if you take lots of pictures (I’ve got 35K and that’s with a lot of culling out the ones with imperfections.)
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klys Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:26:06pm |
re: #312 Randall Gross
Purists and pros import as raw images. That way you get a full lossless image with no compression. All the data is still there so if you want to lighten or darken exposure, adjust white balance & other things in lightroom you can easily do so. It takes a lot more space however, so I don’t recommend it if you take lots of pictures (I’ve got 35K and that’s with a lot of culling out the ones with imperfections.)
I lied about going upstairs.
Or you just mistakenly end up with 6 TB of storage space because you buy a 2 TB drive right before your birthday and then get 2 more from the inlaws.
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Randall Gross Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:27:40pm |
re: #313 klys
Yep. I need another couple of terabytes soon. Probably after my next vacation…
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Charles Johnson Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:28:37pm |
re: #312 Randall Gross
Purists and pros import as raw images. That way you get a full lossless image with no compression. All the data is still there so if you want to lighten or darken exposure, adjust white balance & other things in lightroom you can easily do so. It takes a lot more space however, so I don’t recommend it if you take lots of pictures (I’ve got 35K and that’s with a lot of culling out the ones with imperfections.)
I always use RAW images. They take huge amounts of disk space but I think it’s essential to keep an original copy that’s not compressed and has all the original detail.
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prairiefire Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:31:50pm |
re: #311 Decatur Deb
Can you fix a parking ticket?
I called me mum. I’m sure she’s composing her letter of introduction at this moment. Plus, she gets to tell her two rep. brothers tomorrow on the weekly phone call!
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Decatur Deb Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:32:46pm |
re: #316 prairiefire
I called me mum. I’m sure she’s composing her letter of introduction at this moment. Plus, she gets to tell her two rep. brothers tomorrow on the weekly phone call!
Republican brothers? Cool.
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klys Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:32:54pm |
re: #315 Charles Johnson
I always use RAW images. They take huge amounts of disk space but I think it’s essential to keep an original copy that’s not compressed and has all the original detail.
I have to figure out SOON how to handle backups of the RAWs. Recommendations accepted.
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:33:19pm |
re: #309 stabby
They are noise in two senses:
1) any deviation from perfect is noise
2) some of that isn’t really gibbs phenomenon, it’s quantization noise in cosine coefficients.To the extent that a compressor might just decide to zero out high frequency bins, you get actual gibbs phenomena. However that can be avoided by putting in some roll off in the bins near the zeroed ones. There’s also a trade off between sharpness and lack of ringing - if you upsample a signal then unless you want roll off you have to have some ringing. Though for pictures you can use a compact ringing kernel that’s just 2 or 3 pixels and preserve the sharpness, people’s eyes not being sensitive to frequency aliasing the way ears are…
I know WAY TOO MUCH about this.
There is a way to use the High Pass Filter to reduce the ringing. That with the Noise (blur) filter sometimes can do a nice job.
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:33:50pm |
re: #318 klys
I have to figure out SOON how to handle backups of the RAWs. Recommendations accepted.
All I know is that everything should be stored in RAW.
I don’t understand it, I just try to do it.
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Randall Gross Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:35:41pm |
re: #318 klys
I have to figure out SOON how to handle backups of the RAWs. Recommendations accepted.
I use a five year old computer stuffed with a couple of terrabyte drives and I also keep them in folders by year and month, which makes it easier to back up to DVD. The best of the best I keep in cloud storage too, that’s about 3k, or ten percent.
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klys Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:35:57pm |
re: #320 FemNaziBitch
All I know is that everything should be stored in RAW.
I don’t understand it, I just try to do it.
Think of it like storing the negatives of the photos versus the prints. It’s much easier to make a reprint from the negative, especially if you wanted to change the size of the photograph or alter it in some way. With the print, you’re kind of stuck and the reprint will never be as good.
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:36:04pm |
re: #312 Randall Gross
Purists and pros import as raw images. That way you get a full lossless image with no compression. All the data is still there so if you want to lighten or darken exposure, adjust white balance & other things in lightroom you can easily do so. It takes a lot more space however, so I don’t recommend it if you take lots of pictures (I’ve got 35K and that’s with a lot of culling out the ones with imperfections.)
I have one external drive almost full, of my stuff. Somehow, I maxed out Drop Box and I didn’t even know I had it. I think a friend did it because of the iPhone or something. I get error warnings from it all the time. I have to get another external.
If I could just keep it all organized, I think it would be better, but I try and try and try … .
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goddamnedfrank Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:36:46pm |
re: #264 FemNaziBitch
BACK TO Photoshop …
So my camera takes pix in RAW —they upload to my computer in JPG and I pull them into Photoshop which always seems to save things in PNG.
Should I be worried?
I don’t want mixed-file little picturess.
:0
Your images should upload in RAW. If you’re uploading them in JPEG then there’s no point in shooting in RAW. PNG is a lossless compression format and will compress graphic well but won’t save layers. If you want to save projects in progress for tweaking later then use .PSD and adjustment layers, that way you aren’t irrevocably altering any data.
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klys Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:37:14pm |
re: #323 FemNaziBitch
I have one external drive almost full, of my stuff. Somehow, I maxed out Drop Box and I didn’t even know I had it. I think a friend did it because of the iPhone or something. I get error warnings from it all the time. I have to get another external.
If I could just keep it all organized, I think it would be better, but I try and try and try … .
Dropbox is God. My thesis? There.
It only takes one incident of nearly losing it all to make me a serious advocate for backups of crucial info. My photos, while sentimental, are less crucial than the thesis.
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:38:50pm |
re: #322 klys
Think of it like storing the negatives of the photos versus the prints. It’s much easier to make a reprint from the negative, especially if you wanted to change the size of the photograph or alter it in some way. With the print, you’re kind of stuck and the reprint will never be as good.
Yeah, I always go back to the original file when I’m playing. I find degradations from copies within layers. Always copy from the original layer in PSE.
The worst is old pics. I worked on a few old pictures trying restore them. The scanned versions of old pics suck.
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Randall Gross Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:39:00pm |
re: #323 FemNaziBitch
I recommend lightroom. You can put them in year/month/day folders, and then do virtual collections in your catalog, like all of the photos you took in Ireland, etc. Here’s a good video on how it works:
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:41:43pm |
re: #325 klys
Dropbox is God. My thesis? There.
It only takes one incident of nearly losing it all to make me a serious advocate for backups of crucial info. My photos, while sentimental, are less crucial than the thesis.
Well, all my photos first get downloaded in to iPhoto, because then they go into the Cloud. (I think, Dog help me), I was downloading directly into Photoshop, the quality was much better. But nothing was going anywhere but my external drive. Now, It’s just my artwork that is not in the Cloud. I could, I guess, Pay the monthly fee and work in the Creative Cloud.
Dog, it’s such a mess. My husband asks me for a picture to email someone and It takes forever to find it. The only way I can find anything is to go into Finder and use the file code I use for every file name. Nothing is in the right folder and I noticed the other day the date on my camera is wrong by 2 years!
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Randall Gross Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:42:00pm |
I’m also debating converting to .DNG, but nobody except Adobe seems to use it. Also if your windows computer isn’t showing your RAW files as thumbnails etc. then you might want to load the codec pack
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efuseakay Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:42:57pm |
Friend in Boston just got this text from Harvard U:
From HUPD. Shooting with injuries near MIT campus at 10:45 PM. Suspects at large. Police searching area. No impact on Harvard. Stay out of area.
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:43:01pm |
re: #327 Randall Gross
I recommend lightroom. You can put them in year/month/day folders, and then do virtual collections in your catalog, like all of the photos you took in Ireland, etc. Here’s a good video on how it works:
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iPhoto does that, I think. Or it does it by download. ???
I don’t understand why I would pay for lightroom when I do most of my work in PSE.
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Randall Gross Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:44:35pm |
re: #331 FemNaziBitch
I used to use PSE, but when you have lots of photos, lightroom is much better. I still have PS, but find myself using it less and less.
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klys Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:45:56pm |
re: #331 FemNaziBitch
iPhoto does that, I think. Or it does it by download. ???
I don’t understand why I would pay for lightroom when I do most of my work in PSE.
Lightroom is really, really nice. I second this. It organizes my files for me, I can make virtual copies so I can play with different processing parameters, and it puts things into a relatively intuitive format for dealing with the processing.
I just sent a copy to my sister for her to play with (she just got a camera around Christmas) and she also loves it.
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Randall Gross Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:47:57pm |
re: #333 klys
Are you doing the Beta for 5?
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:48:11pm |
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Randall Gross Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:49:37pm |
re: #335 FemNaziBitch
I’ve been thinking about it, but it’s a lot of dough.
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klys Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:51:31pm |
re: #334 Randall Gross
Are you doing the Beta for 5?
No, do you know when it’s coming out?
My student status ends in June and I’m sort of planning to do a big Adobe purchase right before then, including Lightroom.
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FemNaziBitch Thu, Apr 18, 2013 8:55:25pm |
re: #336 Randall Gross
I’ve been thinking about it, but it’s a lot of dough.
Well, I figure I won’t be paying for upgrades each time a new version is released. and I won’t have ot keep buying external drives to save stuff.
I have to really look into it. There was one that wasn’t terribly expensive, but still, I know, it’s another monthly bill.
At my age, I think it also might be better to pay to stay as current as possible. I have to think about that. You don’t.
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prairiefire Thu, Apr 18, 2013 9:04:42pm |
re: #307 prairiefire
Ooooooh, I have not had a down ding in a long time. It feels kind of sexy.
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