Police Battle Suspects With Grenades, Automatic Weapons in Watertown Mass.

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Here’s a thread for breaking news from Watertown Massachusetts, where police have been in a pitched battle with one or two suspects wielding automatic weapons and grenades. This is a major incident — no word yet if it’s connected to the Boston bombings.

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2 jaunte  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:29:44pm
3 Targetpractice  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:30:53pm

“May you live in interesting times” indeed.

4 jaunte  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:31:02pm
5 Charleston Chew  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:31:15pm

Still pretty sure this stuff is connected to MIT. There was a police presense in Somerville since the shooting, which I assume meant they were making a perimeter around the entire MIT area. Cops are now gone.

6 Charles Johnson  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:31:45pm
7 Joanne  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:32:23pm

CNN guy on phone said these guys look liked the marathon guys.

8 Stanley Sea  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:32:24pm
9 klys  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:32:34pm

re: #6 Charles Johnson

I hesitate as there was discussion on the police scanner regarding suspect versus active shooter.

10 klys  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:33:06pm

For the record, I am listening to the Boston scanner feed.

11 Lidane  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:33:10pm
12 Joanne  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:33:20pm

re: #6 Charles Johnson

Black hat guy?

13 erik_t  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:34:03pm

This is where the stupid and excitable part of me observes that the man in the images above is white and thin and young and therefore must surely be one of the bombers (when in fact we don’t even know that the images from earlier today are of the bomber(s)).

The stupid and excitable part of me is stupid and excitable.

14 Petero1818  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:34:35pm

re: #12 Joanne

Black hat guy?

can’t really tell. But if it was one of them I would say more likely black hat than white hat.

15 HappyWarrior  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:35:05pm

re: #14 Petero1818

can’t really tell. But if it was one of them I would say more likely black hat than white hat.

White hat looked a little on the short side to me.

16 klys  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:35:45pm
Children’s still on lockdown, Children’s still on lockdown.

My guess is this is Children’s hospital, which I would guess is a ways away. This is a citywide scanner. There are unrelated incidents.

17 Joanne  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:36:03pm

re: #15 HappyWarrior

White hat looked a little on the short side to me.

And much darker hair.

18 HappyWarrior  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:36:23pm

re: #17 Joanne

And much darker hair.

Yes, that too.

19 bws58  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:37:03pm

moving them back,,,more bombs?

20 klys  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:37:21pm

I really need to master the ability to listen to two audiostreams at once.

21 stabby  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:37:36pm

How weird is it that we have terrorism with no public purpose?

What use is that to anyone?

22 Lidane  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:37:36pm

re: #17 Joanne

And much darker hair.

It only takes a few hours to bleach and/or dye hair.

It will be interesting to see where all this goes.

23 Lidane  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:38:14pm

re: #21 stabby

How weird is it that we have terrorism with no public purpose?

What use is that to anyone?

Terrorism only claims a public purpose. It’s still just senseless violence.

24 klys  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:38:20pm
Emergency is cleared, no shots fired at the emergency entrance.

Well, I’ll take that.

25 HappyWarrior  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:38:54pm

re: #22 Lidane

It only takes a few hours to bleach and/or dye hair.

It will be interesting to see where all this goes.

A good point but speaking superficially, it looked to me like #2 had more curly hair and the man on the ground in that photo has more straight/wavy hair.

26 Joanne  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:39:05pm

re: #22 Lidane

It only takes a few hours to bleach and/or dye hair.

It will be interesting to see where all this goes.

Not to go from blackish to light brownish. You have to bleach and dye. I’m doubting it.

27 biorabbi  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:39:29pm

The police scanner is surreal. Quote just now: :We do not have a second suspect in custody!

28 Petero1818  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:39:43pm

it appears that a 2nd suspect is loose

29 klys  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:39:49pm
We do not have a second suspect in custody. We do not have a second suspect in custody.

Whatever I am typing quoted takes as long as it takes me to type to get up here.

30 erik_t  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:39:51pm

re: #26 Joanne

Not to go from blackish to light brownish. You have to bleach and dye. I’m doubting it.

We’re not talking hours, though. We’re talking Monday afternoon to Thursday afternoon.

31 stabby  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:39:54pm

re: #23 Lidane

Well it can have the goal of attaining power, even if that’s an almost impossible goal in a place the US.

32 klys  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:40:21pm

re: #30 erik_t

We’re not talking hours, though. We’re talking Monday afternoon to Thursday afternoon.

Today is Thursday? Fuck.

33 Four More Tears  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:40:21pm

Michael Rusch (@weeddude) tweeted at 1:35 a.m. Fri, Apr 19:

RT @Eric_Twardzik: Boston’s starting to feel an awful lot like a Batman movie.

34 biorabbi  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:40:30pm

Are on the hunt for the second suspect.

35 erik_t  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:41:00pm

re: #32 klys

Today is Thursday? Fuck.

Friday, depending. Stupid Indiana screwing up everything.

36 Charles Johnson  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:41:16pm
37 klys  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:41:20pm

re: #35 erik_t

Friday, depending. Stupid Indiana screwing up everything.

I don’t live in Indiana, we’re good.

38 HappyWarrior  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:41:36pm

re: #36 Charles Johnson

Whoa baby.

39 klys  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:41:37pm

re: #36 Charles Johnson

… but it’s CNN. So.

40 jaunte  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:42:19pm
41 The Yankee  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:42:35pm

re: #36 Charles Johnson

It is still hard to believe anything that CNN says I need to hear it from someone else before I believe them again.

42 dirkdigglerjr  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:42:37pm

re: #36 Charles Johnson

Get him in and let him face justice!

43 jaunte  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:42:39pm
44 Tigger2  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:43:15pm

re: #36 Charles Johnson

CNN ?, I’ll wait until I hear the police say that.

45 bws58  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:43:23pm

MSNBC is now livestreaming the channel 7 feed, moving the reporters back again

46 sugikoi  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:44:01pm

Drudge is still asleep.

47 erik_t  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:44:22pm

re: #41 The Yankee

It is still hard to believe anything that CNN says I need to hear it from someone else before I believe them again.

What do you mean, “again”?

48 klys  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:44:24pm
Yeah, that’s right, shining the flashlight at me. You. You.

Thanks to the cops tonight for keeping some sense of humor in all of this.

49 dirkdigglerjr  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:44:28pm

No update yet on CNN website.

50 Stanley Sea  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:44:47pm

Tapper is being soo cautious. Caveat before he says anything.

51 klys  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:45:08pm

re: #50 Stanley Sea

Tapper is being soo cautious. Caveat before he says anything.

Gee, I wonder why.

52 sugikoi  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:45:16pm

re: #50 Stanley Sea

Tapper is being soo cautious. Caveat before he says anything.

That is why Jake is reliable.

53 klys  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:45:23pm
Unknown if that vehicle’s occupied. Unknown at this time.
54 The Yankee  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:45:33pm

Sad thing is if I didn’t visit this site often I wouldn’t know about this. What kind of staff does cable news have at night. They got the a small link at the top of the CNN.com site that says breaking news. But you have to look pretty hard to find it.

55 Tigger2  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:45:41pm

re: #47 erik_t

What do you mean, “again”?

Because of all the CNN screw ups the day of the bombing.

56 Gus  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:46:05pm

re: #6 Charles Johnson

Does not look like black hat guy at all.

57 Targetpractice  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:46:25pm

re: #54 The Yankee

Sad thing is if I didn’t visit this site often I wouldn’t know about this. What kind of staff does cable news have at night. They got the a small link at the top of the CNN.com site that says breaking news. But you have to look pretty hard to find it.

Apparently the major news networks only work during normal business hours. They’ve turned off the lights and gone home.

58 klys  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:46:32pm

CAT, IF YOU BLOCK MY TYPING VIEW IN ALL OF THIS I WILL EAT YOU.

59 ReamWorks SKG  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:46:42pm

I’ve got my own wacky theory, which I have enough good sense to keep the details (and the image of what probably is an innocent person) to myself.

Searching Google images for Boston protests over the past year, I found a person in a confrontation to the police whose face matches pretty well with “white hat”

But I realize I’m probably just seeing things. It is very hard to resist the temptation to want to solve this from the comfort of my house!

60 Stanley Sea  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:46:47pm
61 klys  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:46:55pm

re: #57 Targetpractice

Apparently the major news networks only work during normal business hours. They’ve turned off the lights and gone home.

Kind of like the folks at fertilizer dealers!

* I am generalizing.

62 Charleston Chew  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:47:38pm

re: #54 The Yankee

Sad thing is if I didn’t visit this site often I wouldn’t know about this. What kind of staff does cable news have at night. They got the a small link at the top of the CNN.com site that says breaking news. But you have to look pretty hard to find it.

I have the “Scanner Radio” app for Android. It lists the most listened to streams at any particular time. Often you can tell where something’s going down just from that.

63 Targetpractice  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:47:42pm

re: #58 klys

CAT, IF YOU BLOCK MY TYPING VIEW IN ALL OF THIS I WILL EAT YOU.

One order of sweet and sour chicken, coming up.

//

64 Charles Johnson  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:47:51pm
65 jaunte  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:48:15pm
66 klys  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:48:41pm

re: #63 Targetpractice

One order of sweet and sour chicken, coming up.

//

My cheek is now raw and I may have a new pair of slippers.

67 Targetpractice  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:49:06pm

re: #64 Charles Johnson

If it is the bombers, why aren’t they halfway to Mexico by now? What, did they think they’d wait a couple days til the heat died down, then fire off another bomb?

68 bws58  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:49:21pm

Miah St. Cyr ‏@MiahSaint 13m
Remember when our biggest worry was if someone had given the president a blowjob?

69 sneb  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:49:24pm

Jesus fuck, people.

70 JamesWI  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:49:59pm

re: #7 Joanne

CNN guy on phone said these guys look liked the marathon guys.

Something something CNN has no credibility on this subject something.

71 erik_t  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:50:14pm

re: #58 klys

CAT, IF YOU BLOCK MY TYPING VIEW IN ALL OF THIS I WILL EAT YOU.

A , would upding again.

But God damn everything, it’s nearing 02:00 and I’m just going to be hopeless tomorrow (today) at work.

Flying Spaghetti Monster willing, I will awaken to good news that these absolute pieces of cowardly alpaca-shit have been caught or shot or I don’t give a fuck beyond that. Fuck them. I wish them every manner of ill. I would dearly love to wake up in a few hours to learn that they’ll be spending the rest of their days in Supermax, quite unable to enjoy the lower fucking legs that they denied to a number of random other people.

Good night, lizards.

72 klys  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:50:51pm
Mount Auburn hospital is on Code Black.
73 stabby  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:51:06pm

re: #68 bws58

I’m more worried if the president ISN’T getting blowjobs. I don’t want an edgy guy starting a new war.

74 efuseakay  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:51:54pm

Clean shaven middle eastern looking man? Still listening to scanner…

75 biorabbi  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:51:55pm

Pressure cooker bomb? thrown from freaking car? Did I hear that right??? OMG. Not now but about an hour ago by a reporter who witnessed it!

76 dirkdigglerjr  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:52:02pm

You have the right to remain silent … But if you want to spill the beans on your twisted, demented intentions, go right ahead …Prepare to face all of humanity.

77 Pawn of the Oppressor  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:53:07pm

I can’t stay up… Have several hours on a motorcycle ahead of me tomorrow, need the sleep. I hope it’s the bomber douchebags and I hope they’re caught without anybody else dying.

78 jaunte  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:53:10pm
79 The Yankee  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:53:18pm

re: #56 Gus

Does not look like black hat guy at all.

Yea I feel you but what are the odds of there being a different group of people near Boston making bombs that have nothing to do with the guys who bombed the Marathon.

I mean then the options would be there are more then 2 people involved in the bombing. The people the FBI are looking for in the pictures are not the same people. Or worst yet there is a lot of groups of people in this country that like to make bombs and have a shit ton of weapons.

You might be surprised at how many people make bombs for fun.

80 klys  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:53:22pm

re: #71 erik_t

A , would upding again.

But God damn everything, it’s nearing 02:00 and I’m just going to be hopeless tomorrow (today) at work.

Flying Spaghetti Monster willing, I will awaken to good news that these absolute pieces of cowardly alpaca-shit have been caught or shot or I don’t give a fuck beyond that. Fuck them. I wish them every manner of ill. I would dearly love to wake up in a few hours to learn that they’ll be spending the rest of their days in Supermax, quite unable to enjoy the lower fucking legs that they denied to a number of random other people.

Good night, lizards.

I’m already hopeless at work, that’s why they gave me a Ph.D.

But seriously, sleep and do well tomorrow. Hopefully we will all enjoy a peaceful Saturday.

81 Charleston Chew  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:53:26pm

My God, it was related to the 7/11 robbery.

82 jaunte  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:54:20pm
83 Gus  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:55:08pm

And my feed just died. Just as well. No wait. It’s back.

In other news, I can see the lefties are turning against the cops already.

84 Lidane  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:55:12pm

re: #72 klys

Code Black:

Public address system jargon for
(1) A deceased person admitted to an ER
(2) An emergency situation involving personal threats to safety of one or more persons in a hospital or other public place, including assaults, confrontations, hostage situations and threats of personal injury or attack
(3) Bomb threat—evacuation due to threat of explosion
(4) Mass casualties
(5) Personal threat
(6) Personnel threat
(7) Infant abduction
(8) Severe weather alert

85 klys  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:55:14pm
[…] a [unintelligible] came on, and I know there’s no units in the area […]

I THINK, all of this is per me being able to understand things.

86 klys  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 10:56:51pm

re: #84 Lidane

Code Black:

I don’t know which hospital the suspect who was caught was transported to. For the record. But I might assume Mount Auburn.

87 Lidane  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:00:37pm
88 Gus  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:00:55pm

Sigh. Unfollowing people.

89 klys  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:02:08pm

re: #88 Gus

This is why, for the most part, I don’t follow people for their political persuasion.

I followed you today though. But that’s mostly because you are awesome in being moderate.

90 Tigger2  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:02:13pm

re: #88 Gus

Sigh. Unfollowing people.

What are they upset about ?

91 Charleston Chew  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:02:45pm

If this turns out to just be 7-11 robbers and not related to the marathon bombings that’s so depressing.

Heavily armed bomb throwing 7-11 robbers.

Boston really has turned into a Batman movie.

92 ProBosniaLiberal  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:03:05pm

And I have a Arab Muslim Friend worrying about the police scanner report of a “Middle-Eastern looking guy, clean-shaven.”

Because we know how the dumbasses will react.

93 Stanley Sea  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:03:28pm

Well I’m giving myself the 6 hour rule. Gotta get up at 515. Yuck.

Hope no one else dies tonight.

Night all.

94 biorabbi  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:03:37pm

Police scanner making reference for immediate helicopter coverage on specific area trying to locate suspect.

95 Gus  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:03:57pm

re: #90 Tigger2

What are they upset about ?

Oh jeez. I forgot already. It’s late.

96 klys  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:04:21pm

This is conjecture and not from the scanner directly, but they are definitely treating it like they don’t have the second suspect in custody yet. Emphasizing what area to concentrate the search in.

97 jaunte  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:04:59pm
98 Gus  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:05:08pm

Another officer down.

99 klys  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:05:19pm

Also, erik_t, go to bed already.

100 jaunte  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:05:33pm
101 klys  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:05:51pm

re: #98 Gus

Another officer down.

If that’s from the scanner it’s not clear to me if that’s a new one or just referencing where the officer was down previously.

102 jaunte  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:06:24pm
103 klys  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:07:09pm
Someone moving around where no one should be inside […] two blocks off of [relevant address]
104 Charleston Chew  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:07:14pm

In case anyone’s wondering, Watertown is about 5 miles west of MIT.

105 jaunte  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:07:41pm
106 Gus  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:07:48pm

re: #101 klys

If that’s from the scanner it’s not clear to me if that’s a new one or just referencing where the officer was down previously.

Yep, maybe so. This sure is nuts.

107 HappyWarrior  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:07:55pm

re: #104 Charleston Chew

In case anyone’s wondering, Watertown is about 5 miles west of MIT.

I was, thanks.

108 Robert O.  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:07:59pm

LGF is covering this better than most news sites! I think there is too much speculation at the moment. I haven’t seen conclusive proof that MIT and the Marathon are linked. I also question why would the bombers remain in Boston - and only across the river no less. If they are foreigners, the only sensible thing to do after a bombing is to head straight for Logan Airport and take the first flight out. If they are Americans, then make a dash for the Mexican border, which, as far as I know, has no passport checks going in from the San Diego side.

109 klys  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:08:29pm

re: #106 Gus

Yep, maybe so. This sure is nuts.

I admit, I may be judging by the call for officer down.

I was listening to the scanner pre: first call (MIT) and you could hear the urgency.

110 Gus  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:08:34pm

re: #105 jaunte

That’s when he’s not cheering for the Taliban.

111 Whack-A-Mole  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:09:12pm

Damn it. Knew I shouldn’t have checked in here before bed. Not going to be much sleep for me again tonight.

WTF is up with homicidal, gun-and-bomb toting idiots these days? Don’t they know people have to work tomorrow?

112 Gus  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:09:23pm

Gen JC Christian. Jew hater.

113 klys  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:09:26pm

Sounds like helicopters can’t provide much tonight because it’s pretty foggy.

114 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:09:46pm

Does this rampage remind anyone else of the Mumbai terror attack back in 2008? Paired shooters with full-auto rifles and grenades.

115 HappyWarrior  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:10:09pm

Damn got a feeling this isn’t going to end well. Just hoep they can catch the guy without any further deaths or injuries.

116 Lidane  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:10:22pm
117 Charleston Chew  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:10:37pm

The Central Square 7-11 that was robbed is about a mile west of where the MIT cop was shot.

118 klys  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:10:54pm

re: #116 Lidane

I am a horrible person but I laughed at this as well. Watched folks play it in high school.

119 Gus  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:11:03pm

re: #114 Dark_Falcon

Does this rampage remind anyone else of the Mumbai terror attack back in 2008? Paired shooters with full-auto rifles and grenades.

Yep. My theory? The two Boston Marathon suspects aren’t Americans.

120 Targetpractice  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:11:13pm

re: #116 Lidane

Does this mean one of the suspects just got a call from his fat cousin, asking him if he wants to go bowling?

121 HappyWarrior  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:11:30pm

re: #116 Lidane

Yeah right down to the fact that grenades were used.

122 klys  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:11:41pm

There are references to bring a ‘team’ to Hazel.

123 jaunte  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:11:46pm
124 ProBosniaLiberal  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:11:56pm

re: #119 Gus

And here begins a mass wave of attacks on Muslim Americans.

125 klys  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:14:21pm

For what it is worth, the alert at MIT has been cancelled.

They’re attempting to switch dogs, I think. Ballistic or tracking dogs, I am not sure.

126 Gus  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:15:02pm

re: #124 ProBosniaLiberal

And here begins a mass wave of attacks on Muslim Americans.

Who said they were Muslims? They could be part of Mexican drug cartels.

127 Charleston Chew  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:15:16pm

re: #117 Charleston Chew

The Central Square 7-11 that was robbed is about a mile west of where the MIT cop was shot.

It would be strange if the MIT cop responded to this location off campus. The robbers must have gone east into the campus before he got involved.

128 ProBosniaLiberal  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:15:23pm

re: #124 ProBosniaLiberal

Within a week, I expect some sort of backlash incident, likely in the Southern United States.

129 klys  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:15:48pm

re: #127 Charleston Chew

It would be strange if the MIT cop responded to this location off campus. The robbers must have gone east into the campus before he got involved.

It’s pretty clear that regardless of what else, the MIT officer responded and was shot at a location on campus.

130 Lidane  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:15:54pm

re: #118 klys

I am a horrible person but I laughed at this as well. Watched folks play it in high school.

I think at this point, humor is the only thing that will get me through all this crazy shit.

131 biorabbi  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:15:56pm

All hell is breaking loose again? They are moving in on the second suspect. Wow.

132 Whack-A-Mole  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:16:26pm

re: #128 ProBosniaLiberal

My money would be on Tenessee.

133 Targetpractice  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:16:39pm

re: #130 Lidane

I think at this point, humor is the only thing that will get me through all this crazy shit.

Dark humor’s how I deal with times like these.

134 The Yankee  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:17:29pm

re: #36 Charles Johnson

re: #78 jaunte

Looks like we just witness CNN getting it wrong again in real time. Why do they even try. Does any one get in trouble when they get fact wrong.

135 klys  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:17:48pm
the weapons the suspect were firing, do we know if those were handguns or long guns?

[…] they were definitely long guns.

136 ProBosniaLiberal  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:18:04pm

re: #126 Gus

Do you think the dumbasses will actually give a damn?

137 jaunte  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:18:09pm

NYT:

Andrew Kitzenburg, 29, said he looked out of this third floor window to see two young men of slight build in jackets shooting at dozens of police officers from behind a black Mercedes SUV. The officers and the men were 70 yards apart, he said, and engaged in “constant gunfire.”

A police SUV “drove towards the shooters,” he said, and was shot at until it was severely damaged. It rolled out of control, Mr. Kitzenberg said, and crashed into two cars in his driveway.

The two shooters, he said, had a large and unwieldy bomb. “They lit it, still in the middle of the gunfire, and threw it. But it went 20 yards at most.” It exploded, he said, and one of the two men ran towards the gathered police officers. He was tackled, but it was not clear if he was shot, Mr. Kitzenberg said.

The other, he said, got back into the SUV, turned it towards officers and “put the pedal to the metal.” The car “went right through the cops, broke right through and continued west.”

The two men left “a few backpacks right by the car, and there is a bomb robot out there now.” Police had told residents to stay away from their windows, he said.
nytimes.com

138 Four More Tears  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:20:04pm
139 efuseakay  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:20:08pm

Raiding a house now it sounds like?

140 efuseakay  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:20:38pm

Wth. Someone hit by a car. Not sure if related.

141 biorabbi  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:20:53pm

This does smell like Mumbai. 50 police now in front of some house.

142 klys  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:21:12pm

CAT MOVE AWAY FROM MY HAIR DAMMIT.

143 Four More Tears  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:21:13pm
144 Charleston Chew  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:21:27pm

Why would someone hold up a 711 carrying bombs and yet have no transportation? And go a mile east before stealing a car?

145 biorabbi  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:21:38pm

Let’s hope the police get the person before any more cops/civilians get hurt.

146 klys  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:22:42pm
[address] six gunshots […]
147 biorabbi  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:23:04pm

Better views of the marathon bomber suspects.

Image: Pb24Y5I.jpg

148 Targetpractice  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:23:21pm

Why, oh why, have I got this sinking feeling that the second guy will not be taken alive.

149 ProBosniaLiberal  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:23:29pm

re: #141 biorabbi

I hope not.

That would mean horrible things for my friends, and a massive number of reprisal attacks against Muslims in the US.

And yes, I expect at least half of the Conservatives to act on their crude impulses.

150 Whack-A-Mole  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:24:35pm

Any word on the ethnicity of these suspects? Islamic terrorists generally don’t try so hard to get away.

151 klys  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:24:56pm
[address seems relevant] 15 shots fired […]
152 blueraven  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:25:25pm

re: #149 ProBosniaLiberal

I hope not.

That would mean horrible things for my friends, and a massive number of reprisal attacks against Muslims in the US.

And yes, I expect at least half of the Conservatives to act on their crude impulses.

It is what it is…you cant change it or wish it away.
Whoever it is needs to experience justice.

153 The Yankee  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:25:54pm

re: #150 Whack-A-Mole

Any word on the ethnicity of these suspects? Islamic terrorists generally don’t try so hard to get away.

If they were born and raised here they might feel differently. Then the ones in other countries.

154 Four More Tears  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:27:20pm

I really should have been asleep three hours ago :-

155 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:27:29pm

re: #114 Dark_Falcon

Does this rampage remind anyone else of the Mumbai terror attack back in 2008? Paired shooters with full-auto rifles and grenades.

Where are you getting reports of full-auto rifles?

156 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:28:33pm

re: #149 ProBosniaLiberal

I hope not.

That would mean horrible things for my friends, and a massive number of reprisal attacks against Muslims in the US.

And yes, I expect at least half of the Conservatives to act on their crude impulses.

9/11 resulted in only a small number of ‘backlash’ attacks on those thought to be Muslims (a least one Sikh was mistaken for a Muslim). The only murders were of the Sikh man mentioned and another man who really was a Muslim. Their killer was caught and was executed by the state of Arizona in 2011.

157 ProBosniaLiberal  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:28:51pm

re: #152 blueraven

Yes, and if they end up being Islamist radicals, I want them to get the death penalty.

Not just for killing those at the marathon, but for the inevitable deaths at the hands of idiots doing reprisals. They will have just gotten Muslim Americans killed.

158 Four More Tears  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:28:52pm
159 klys  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:28:55pm

re: #155 goddamnedfrank

Where are you getting reports of full-auto rifles?

Came over police scanner ~2 hours ago?

160 Charleston Chew  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:28:57pm

Boston Globe is calling them the marathon bombing suspects.

161 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:29:16pm

re: #155 goddamnedfrank

Where are you getting reports of full-auto rifles?

Others here posted about it.

162 biorabbi  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:29:16pm

re: #149 ProBosniaLiberal

The world is what it is. Sad. But how many US Muslims were killed or harassed after 9/11? I think there might have been a Sikh guy who was mistakenly killed after 9/11 if I remember correctly. Lots of harassment.

I don’t think there will be a mass retribution. I live in Arkansas and the south has few Muslims(and Jews). Still, there have been some Mosque burnings a few years back.

I hope and believe that the vast majority of Americans will realize that these bombers were assholes first, last and always. There possible religion has as much import as David Berkowitz’ and my faith.

Still, this is turning out to be very bad.

163 HappyWarrior  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:30:01pm

re: #156 Dark_Falcon

9/11 resulted in only a small number of ‘backlash’ attacks on those thought to be Muslims (a least one Sikh was mistaken for a Muslim). The only murders were of the Sikh man mentioned and another man who really was a Muslim. Their killer was caught and was executed by the state of Arizona in 2011.

One was too many. He’s got a valid concern and frankly Islamaphobia has actually gone up rather than decreased since 9-11. Whoever the hell these guys are, one thing’s for damn sure, I do not want to see bigots use it as an excuse to attack and discriminate against people of a certain background.

164 biorabbi  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:30:37pm

Cop on TV now walking down the street with a gigantic weapon.

165 ProBosniaLiberal  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:32:04pm

re: #156 Dark_Falcon

And Anti-Muslim sentiment has risen dramatically since then, without Pro-Muslim Republicans. And we already saw from Glenn Beck that there is heavy conservative sympathy toward attacking Muslims.

Remember Beck’s statement that the Utoya kids were “Hitler Youth?”

No matter his little mealy-mouthed apologies, he was saying those kids deserved to die on that island. Fox News and their ilk have been encouraging violence.

166 HappyWarrior  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:32:11pm

Just let these be idiot spree killers not motivated by politics if they have to be motivated by anything.

167 gwangung  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:32:16pm

re: #156 Dark_Falcon

9/11 resulted in only a small number of ‘backlash’ attacks on those thought to be Muslims (a least one Sikh was mistaken for a Muslim). The only murders were of the Sikh man mentioned and another man who really was a Muslim. Their killer was caught and was executed by the state of Arizona in 2011.

Very damn comforting to the dead men. And wasn’t the recent Sikh murder spree because they were seen as Muslim?

NONE of this is acceptable.

168 okonkolo  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:32:26pm

Please let it be them; please Boston Globe be correct

169 klys  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:32:34pm

I’m going to hope whatever officer they paged has responded on a channel I am not hearing.

170 efuseakay  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:32:46pm

re: #155 goddamnedfrank

Where are you getting reports of full-auto rifles?

Early on when listening to the police scanner. “Grenades and fully automatic gunfire”. Could have been heat-of-the-moment reaction from the officer who was broadcasting.

171 spiderx  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:33:01pm

from the Boston Globe- one suspect in custody
bostonglobe.com

172 ProBosniaLiberal  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:33:07pm

Damn it, suspect dead.

173 biorabbi  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:33:21pm

re: #163 HappyWarrior

All points are well taken. Agreed. The deaths of police officers and a young kid could turn things ugly.

Watertown residents told to stay inside and not even stick their heads out their car windows.

174 Charleston Chew  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:34:30pm

This reminds me that when I was down on the MIT campus Wednesday, I saw cops pulling over cars frequently for traffic stops in an area where I’ve never seen them do that before. I wonder if they had been on high alert in the area all week.

175 Four More Tears  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:37:08pm

I thought they had someone in custody?

176 HappyWarrior  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:37:31pm

re: #165 ProBosniaLiberal

And Anti-Muslim sentiment has risen dramatically since then, without Pro-Muslim Republicans. And we already saw from Glenn Beck that there is heavy conservative sympathy toward attacking Muslims.

Remember Beck’s statement that the Utoya kids were “Hitler Youth?”

No matter his little mealy-mouthed apologies, he was saying those kids deserved to die on that island. Fox News and their ilk have been encouraging violence.

I should add that this shit leads not just to Muslims being attacked but anyone perceived as a Muslim or Arab. It’s all fucked up though.

177 Targetpractice  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:38:10pm

re: #175 Four More Tears

I thought they had someone in custody?

Could be that the guy they caught died of his injuries.

178 HappyWarrior  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:38:20pm

re: #175 Four More Tears

I thought they had someone in custody?

I thought so too. Don’t know what’s going on. Damn it, this is so gripping but I need to sleep.

179 biorabbi  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:38:42pm

re: #166 HappyWarrior

Happy Warrior. I doubt this is some non-ideological motivated attack. If Muslim fanatic inspired, right-wing fanatic, or some extreme cult group, militant anti-abortion group, whatever…. there seems to be some sort of justification…. one guy might be a weirdo-nutcase like the Batman dude, but two guys with pressure bombs sounds like a well thought out scheme…. at first blush.

180 biorabbi  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:39:25pm

They have one guy in custody according to the police scanner and one NOT in custody.

181 The Yankee  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:40:10pm

re: #178 HappyWarrior

The white guy in the picture above might of just been arrested for being in the way and may of not of been one of the guys in the shoot out with police.

re: #78 jaunte

182 ssn697  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:40:12pm

The news can “not speculate” all they want. I’m a nobody on a website. This has to be linked to the Boston Marathon bombing. Makes perfect sense.

183 Charleston Chew  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:40:15pm

Wish I had fallen asleep before this all kicked off. Can’t sleep now.

184 HappyWarrior  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:40:42pm

re: #179 biorabbi

Happy Warrior. I doubt this is some non-ideological motivated attack. If Muslim fanatic inspired, right-wing fanatic, or some extreme cult group, militant anti-abortion group, whatever…. there seems to be some sort of justification…. one guy might be a weirdo-nutcase like the Batman dude, but two guys with pressure bombs sounds like a well thought out scheme…. at first blush.

I know, I suspect it’s politically motivated too but I hope it’s not since that way there won’t be as much an excuse to attack people. Of course, in a perfect world, I wish the bombing and these events tonight had never happened period.

185 spiderx  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:40:52pm

i’m tired of these media people tweeting or broadcasting information from their “source” that turns out to be complete nonsense.

186 efuseakay  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:41:09pm

Wasn’t the one in custody taken to the hospital? Injured? Shot? Maybe he died there. That would suck. We need answers as to why.

187 ssn697  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:41:28pm

re: #156 Dark_Falcon

9/11 resulted in only a small number of ‘backlash’ attacks on those thought to be Muslims (a least one Sikh was mistaken for a Muslim). The only murders were of the Sikh man mentioned and another man who really was a Muslim. Their killer was caught and was executed by the state of Arizona in 2011.

You mean “fatal” backlash attacks, right? Because there has been a shitload of attacks on Muslims, and people who “looked” Muslim, since 9/11, including basic attacks on the religion itself.

188 klys  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:41:44pm

The Daleks reported in.

189 HappyWarrior  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:41:45pm

re: #181 The Yankee

The white guy in the picture above might of just been arrested for being in the way and may of not of been one of the guys in the shoot out with police.

re: #78 jaunte

Ah yeah I should have considered that.

190 The Yankee  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:41:58pm

re: #184 HappyWarrior

I know, I suspect it’s politically motivated too but I hope it’s not since that way there won’t be as much an excuse to attack people. Of course, in a perfect world, I wish the bombing and these events tonight had never happened period.

Even if it isn’t politically/religoiusly motivated cable news will make it so.

191 HappyWarrior  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:42:53pm

re: #190 The Yankee

Even if it isn’t politically/religoiusly motivated cable news will make it so.

I know.

192 klys  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:43:23pm
Light skinned white male, should be considered armed and dangerous, possibly with an assault rifle and explosive, dark curly hair.
193 klys  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:44:01pm

Roughly. Also the armed and dangerous was extremely. I don’t type quite fast enough.

(White hat?)

194 HappyWarrior  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:44:08pm

re: #192 klys

number two?

195 biorabbi  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:44:29pm

One suspect reported dead according to a TV outlet but I hope this is not the case or we may never know. Still, better dead than at large.

196 simoom  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:44:47pm



197 biorabbi  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:45:30pm

re: #196 simoom

OMG.

198 klys  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:45:31pm

re: #196 simoom

Glad someone else has the twitter aspect down, because it’s all I can do to understand the damn scanner.

199 ProBosniaLiberal  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:45:42pm

re: #195 biorabbi

Take the organs and donate them. Along with anything else usable for donation.

Incinerate the rest.

200 Targetpractice  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:45:56pm

re: #196 simoom

Fuck me! Can you imagine waking up to that?

201 simoom  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:46:44pm
202 klys  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:47:01pm
Could have an IED explosive device on him, so please use extreme caution.
203 klys  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:47:23pm

re: #201 simoom

That’s the wording I failed to type.

204 HappyWarrior  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:47:32pm

It really is amazing what twitter does with the news. Really makes it come straight at you.

205 Targetpractice  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:47:32pm

re: #201 simoom

Assault rifle, eh? Well, it’s good to know that those things are only ever used by hunters or for home defense.

///(Me, bitter? Never.)

206 klys  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:48:08pm

re: #205 Targetpractice

Assault rifle, eh? Well, it’s good to know that those things are only ever used by hunters or for home defense.

///(Me, bitter? Never.)

Pfft, we all know criminals care about no laws.

///

207 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:48:21pm

re: #167 gwangung

Very damn comforting to the dead men. And wasn’t the recent Sikh murder spree because they were seen as Muslim?

NONE of this is acceptable.

I never for one second claimed either terror attacks nor random reprisals to same were acceptable.

208 biorabbi  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:48:51pm

If I lived in Boston now, the best bet would be to hide out in the bathtub armed with a police scanner. I do not wish to make a joke at the situation but it is one of the most unbelievable things I’ve ever heard or seen.

209 simoom  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:48:56pm
210 klys  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:49:02pm
The suspect that is still outstanding will be the suspect with the white hat that was identified in the photos.
211 Single-handed sailor  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:49:35pm

It’s the white hat bombing suspect they are chasing according to the scanner.

212 klys  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:49:47pm

The scanner has just completely confirmed that they consider this the marathon suspects, up to including the reference to whitehat as the outstanding suspect.

213 biorabbi  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:50:07pm

re: #210 klys

Yes, the curly haired guy… suspect number two. The latest FBI pictures shows him on the right….

Image: Pb24Y5I.jpg

214 Targetpractice  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:50:13pm

Go to bed to prepare for the last day of the work week, wake up to find yourself in the midst of a Hollywood action film. Yegods.

215 HappyWarrior  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:50:21pm

re: #211 Single-handed sailor

It’s the white hat bombing suspect they are chasing according to the scanner.

That makes sense. Black hat didn’t appear to have curly hair.

216 klys  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:50:36pm

re: #215 HappyWarrior

That makes sense. Black hat didn’t appear to have curly hair.

Bed? Bed? Pfft.

217 Targetpractice  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:50:55pm

re: #216 klys

Bed? Bed? Pfft.

Sleep when you’re dead.

218 klys  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:51:13pm

re: #215 HappyWarrior

That makes sense. Black hat didn’t appear to have curly hair.

I suspect, if reports from the news are accurate (I am scanner-exclusive right now), that black hat may be dead.

219 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:51:15pm

re: #205 Targetpractice

Assault rifle, eh? Well, it’s good to know that those things are only ever used by hunters or for home defense.

///(Me, bitter? Never.)

Let’s wait to see what the weapon turns out to be, OK? It might well have been illegally imported or converted (if it is in fact full-auto, this is almost certainly the case). It says nothing about what guns one is allowed to legally purchase if the gun used for a terrorist attack was smuggled into the country, since such a gun was always illegal.

220 simoom  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:51:27pm

re: #212 klys

… so then it sounds like the bombing suspects did themselves in by robbing a 7/11.

221 klys  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:51:31pm

re: #217 Targetpractice

Sleep when you’re dead.

Out of grad school is the same thing, right?

222 Kragar  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:51:48pm

Anyone got a good live feed going?

223 Jocko's Rocket Ship  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:51:48pm

The claim of only one murder to Muslims after 9-11 may be technically correct. But anyone that knows the shit they had to endure since then and still goes “let me correct your statement” without qualifying it big-time is being a troll.

224 klys  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:52:48pm

I’ve been running this feed all evening, although some folks have said the link doesn’t work. I don’t know.

225 klys  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:53:03pm

re: #224 klys

Police scanner for Boston PD.

226 Olsonist  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:53:17pm

re: #222 Kragar

Anyone got a good live feed going?

Yeah, scanner

tunein.com

227 simoom  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:53:23pm
228 klys  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:54:09pm

re: #227 simoom

All I can think of with these images is Grant Imahara and the robot from the C4 in a microwave episode.

I might watch too much Mythbusters.

229 Charleston Chew  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:54:37pm

Despite all the talk of political motivations, it’s possible these dudes are an apolitical Columbine or Leopold and Loeb type deal.

230 Robert O.  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:55:12pm

re: #195 biorabbi

One suspect reported dead according to a TV outlet but I hope this is not the case or we may never know. Still, better dead than at large.

I am reading one suspect CAUGHT at CBS Boston and Huffington Post. Caught? Dead?

231 HappyWarrior  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:55:31pm

re: #229 Charleston Chew

Despite all the talk of political motivations, it’s possible these dudes are an apolitical Columbine or Leopold and Loeb type deal.

I am actually thinking that’s the case the more this drags on.

232 sugikoi  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:55:31pm

re: #229 Charleston Chew

Despite all the talk of political motivations, it’s possible these dudes are an apolitical Columbine or Leopold and Loeb type deal.

Definitely possible.

233 klys  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:55:37pm

MY FEED. Silly East Coast people, go to bed.

234 HappyWarrior  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:56:14pm

Should sleep but so hooked. I really want to find out who these guys are and what their motivation was if any.

235 Targetpractice  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:56:29pm

re: #233 klys

MY FEED. Silly East Coast people, go to bed.

Bah, who needs sleep? That’s what caffeine is for.

//

236 The Yankee  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:57:15pm

re: #230 Robert O.

I am reading one suspect CAUGHT at CBS Boston and Huffington Post. Caught? Dead?

No one is going to know/get the details right until at least 10:00 tomorrow morning. Don’t stress the details or you are not going to get any sleep tonight. I am in Jersey and this is keeping me wide awake.

237 Targetpractice  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:57:22pm

re: #234 HappyWarrior

Should sleep but so hooked. I really want to find out who these guys are and what their motivation was if any.

I doubt we’re gonna get their life stories in the next hour. At this point, my biggest worry is that both are accounted for and whether its the two Marathon suspects is confirmed or not.

238 Lidane  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:57:44pm
239 biorabbi  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:59:00pm

One dark complected dude was caught and photographed on the pavement and then released! for being in the wrong place at the wrong time with a backpack!!! Another guy was caught and there are some murky pics on his arrest and may(or may not)have died according to conflicting news reports. The curly haired guy is NOT in custody according to the latest feeds.

240 simoom  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:59:11pm
241 HappyWarrior  Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:59:34pm

re: #237 Targetpractice

I doubt we’re gonna get their life stories in the next hour. At this point, my biggest worry is that both are accounted for and whether its the two Marathon suspects is confirmed or not.

Yeah, true. This sure has been a week to remember.

242 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:00:51am

re: #240 simoom

Mike Mulugeta? Yeah, seems initial suspicions might be true that these are American-born boys.

243 Lidane  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:00:52am

re: #240 simoom

244 DelusionDeluge  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:01:05am

Tripathi, the Brown student that disappeared on March 16

245 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:01:07am

re: #240 simoom

If that happened it was either while I didn’t catch it or was down (back up now).

Second name is the missing guy from one of the Ivy’s, as I recall.

246 Charleston Chew  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:02:17am

re: #243 Lidane

Holy shit.

247 JamesWI  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:02:53am

re: #119 Gus

Yep. My theory? The two Boston Marathon suspects aren’t Americans.

If these guys were foreigners, no way they’d stick around the area for 3 days when no one knew it was them. To me, seems like typical psycho school-shooter types.

248 biorabbi  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:03:25am

re: #240 simoom

OMG. The second guy Sunil, IF THIS IS CORRECT, vanished a month ago from an elite college… there was even a Facebook site set up that was removed late but I got to the Facebook site before it was taken down. He, Sunil, has a very nice family. He vanished a month ago, walked out of his flat without his wallet and ID, and, interestingly, the FBI was involved in his vanishing at the time.

There was a strong photographic resemblance between Sunil and suspect number two. I did not link to it earlier until I saw the above post.

249 Kragar  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:03:33am

re: #242 Targetpractice

Mike Mulugeta? Yeah, seems initial suspicions might be true that these are American-born boys.

One twitter account found

250 sugikoi  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:03:37am

If they are indeed Mulugeta (Eritrean) and Tripathi (South Asian) than it confirms what I was trying to say from my own experience as a racially amorphous person: you cannot tell from fuzzy pictures especially if a hat is being worn.

251 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:03:41am
suspect is running towards [address]

Maintain perimeter, reminder, maintain perimeter.

252 Kragar  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:04:13am

Family appeals to missing student

Family members and friends have begun directing appeals toward Sunil Tripathi in hopes of encouraging him to return home, mother Judy Tripathi said Monday.

Since the former member of the class of 2012 disappeared three and a half weeks ago, family members, friends and law enforcement officers have been conducting foot searches in Providence and raising awareness of Tripathi’s disappearance all over New England.

“One of the things we’ve been thinking about for some time was to talk to him directly,” Judy Tripathi said, adding that she hopes he will “see us all together three weeks later, still hopeful, still optimistic.”

The family released a video on YouTube Monday encouraging Tripathi to contact them and let them know he is safe.

“Sunil, the only thing missing is you,” read the description on the video, which depicts immediate and extended family members and friends coordinating search efforts and speaking to the camera.

Family members have also posted photos and asked Tripathi to reach out to them through a Facebook page dedicated to the search. The family has corresponded with national missing persons organizations like the National Missing and Unidentified Persons System and LostNMissing, which also encouraged addressing Tripathi directly, Judy Tripathi said.

253 biorabbi  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:04:32am

Suspect number two is leaving a trial of explosives per scanner.

254 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:04:53am
snipers in [address], snipers in [address]
255 simoom  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:05:10am

re: #247 JamesWI

If these guys were foreigners, no way they’d stick around the area for 3 days when no one knew it was them. To me, seems like typical psycho school-shooter types.

If they really have them IDed now I’m guessing we’ll know more about these two than we’d ever want to by tomorrow, once everyone starts dumpster diving in their social media accounts.

256 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:05:23am

re: #249 Kragar

One twitter account found

That’s not one of the terrorists. He’s black and they are/were light skinned.

257 Charleston Chew  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:06:08am

Hats off to the channel 7 closed captioning typist, by the way.

258 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:07:07am

re: #252 Kragar

Family appeals to missing student

Just on first blush, this is getting weird. Guy just up and disappears one day, taking none of his belongings with him, shows up month later at the site of a major bombing. Can’t say as I’ve ever heard of anything similar.

259 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:07:44am

re: #254 klys

I hope that’s an error. Very bad if it isn’t. Classic insurgent tactic is to lure pursuers into a sniper ambush.

260 HappyWarrior  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:07:45am

re: #258 Targetpractice

Just on first blush, this is getting weird. Guy just up and disappears one day, taking none of his belongings with him, shows up month later at the site of a major bombing. Can’t say as I’ve ever heard of anything similar.

You couldn’t write this.

261 biorabbi  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:07:48am

As I’ve said, very nice family…. here is the family’s video:

I’ve read a note was left when he vanished but the nature of his last note was not disclosed. There was some mention of depression as well in Sunil’s case.

Youtube Video
262 efuseakay  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:07:52am

Please get at least one of them alive…

263 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:07:59am

re: #256 Dark_Falcon

That’s not one of the terrorists. He’s black and they are/were light skinned.

Hasn’t stopped (someone from) CNN from following.

264 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:08:41am

re: #259 Dark_Falcon

I hope that’s an error. Very bad if it isn’t. Classic insurgent tactic is to lure pursuers into a sniper ambush.

I believe it was police saying it was their snipers on [address].

265 jonhendry  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:08:57am

re: #249 Kragar

“One twitter account found”

Google turns up a number of people with that name. “Mike” is probably somewhat common among people of that surname who live in the West.

266 Shvaughn  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:10:02am

re: #249 Kragar

One twitter account found

Don’t jump to conclusions based on the name. There are several people with the same name on Facebook, for example.

267 biorabbi  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:10:11am

I hope it is not Sunil. I deeply feel for his sister and brother based on their video montages I’ve seen tonight. They seem to be an extremely nice family. It could be two depressed, socially disjointed people making a suicide pact, striking back at the system, or some weird justification only they know.

268 Charleston Chew  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:10:23am

Is Sunil Tripathi white hat?

Image: ht_sunil_tripathi_jt_130324_wg.jpg

269 spiderx  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:10:25am

re: #249 Kragar

One twitter account found

doesn’t look anything like either suspect

270 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:10:47am

re: #258 Targetpractice

The last name is a Hindu-Brahmin last name, from North and Central India.

271 simoom  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:11:22am

re: #268 Charleston Chew

Image: img_34629.jpeg

findsunil.blogspot.com

272 Shvaughn  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:11:39am

re: #258 Targetpractice

Just on first blush, this is getting weird. Guy just up and disappears one day, taking none of his belongings with him, shows up month later at the site of a major bombing. Can’t say as I’ve ever heard of anything similar.

FALSE FLAG, HE WAS KIDNAPPED BY THE CIA AND BRAINWASHED

/// just wait, Alex Jones will be saying this soon

273 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:12:13am

For the record, for those tuning in or just catching my comments here, I am merely posting the scanner quotes, as closely as possible, as blockquotes without attribution.

No names, no addresses, merely an attempt to update with things that seem relevant.

274 biorabbi  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:12:18am

re: #268 Charleston Chew

I think it could be him. The side profile looks like him.

275 biorabbi  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:12:49am

re: #272 Shvaughn

I almost posted the exact thing. Alex Jones will be thrilled.

276 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:13:06am

re: #262 efuseakay

Please get at least one of them alive…

If possible. But as we learned back in 2003 with Uday and Qusay Hussein, taking a well-armed man into custody is often impossible if he is not willing to surrender.

277 HappyWarrior  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:13:17am

re: #272 Shvaughn

FALSE FLAG, HE WAS KIDNAPPED BY THE CIA AND BRAINWASHED

/// just wait, Alex Jones will be saying this soon

Agh I am really not looking forward to what that nutcase has to say. It will make me laugh probably but then I’ll remember how big of an audience and I know first hand he has people who gobble up the bs he says as fact.

278 Kragar  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:13:20am

re: #275 biorabbi

I almost posted the exact thing. Alex Jones will be thrilled.

You know they’ll look at this response and say it justifies their fears of DHS.

279 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:15:06am

re: #275 biorabbi

I almost posted the exact thing. Alex Jones will be thrilled.

Alex Jones should volunteer to aid those wounded in that explosion in his old stomping grounds of Waco instead of running his mouth. He won’t, but he should.

280 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:15:26am

this is all my most pessimistic predictions coming true. imagine the aftermath of a major catastrope and parts of our country could well wind up looking like somalia…

281 Single-handed sailor  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:15:41am

The Internet is really bringing Total Information Awareness to everybody on Earth. This is fascinating.

282 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:16:06am

re: #271 simoom

Image: img_34629.jpeg

findsunil.blogspot.com

A Philly boy. So much for all the screaming about foreign-born terrorists.

283 ssn697  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:16:16am

Twitter has better reporting than any of the cable news networks.

284 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:16:53am
Make sure we’re not chasing ghosts.

Seems relevant, if not directly so.

285 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:17:01am

re: #282 Targetpractice

They don’t seem to be Muslim either.

I can breathe a little easier.

286 HappyWarrior  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:17:06am

re: #281 Single-handed sailor

The internet is really bringing Total Information Awareness to everybody on Earth. This is fascinating.

Can you imagine if we had this during WWII say? Minute to minute on D-Day? the Battle for Berlin? etc. IT’s a good reminder of just how small the world is that a message such as this one heh can go to someone an untold distance away.

287 Lidane  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:17:23am
288 biorabbi  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:17:31am

Image: Tripathi1_0.preview.jpg

Sunil. The hair is wrong(but could change with time)but the nose looks spot on for suspect number 2 in some of FBI’s pics.

289 EvilScott2  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:18:29am

Does this look like white hat?

Link

290 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:18:29am

re: #288 biorabbi

Image: Tripathi1_0.preview.jpg

Sunil. The hair is wrong(but could change with time)but the nose looks spot on for suspect number 2 in some of FBI’s pics.

There’s other pictures of him with curly hair, just like the FBI photos.

291 JamesWI  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:19:54am

re: #288 biorabbi

Image: Tripathi1_0.preview.jpg

Sunil. The hair is wrong(but could change with time)but the nose looks spot on for suspect number 2 in some of FBI’s pics.

Ugh….I know which picture Breitbart and Drudge are gonna go with!

292 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:20:30am

Going to take a moment here to remember the cops who are out there tonight and in fact every night, doing what is often a thankless job that faces the worst, not best, that society has to offer.

Thank you for the service you give us here, which is often only acknowledged in times like this. It deserves more than that. You’re all human, after all, with all that means, but it also means we should know what has been risked for someone like us to be involved in this.

293 DelusionDeluge  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:20:37am

Just a heads up: he’s wearing a Che shirt in one of these photos. Expect much derpitude.

294 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:21:04am

re: #293 DelusionDeluge

Just a heads up: he’s wearing a Che shirt in one of these photos. Expect much derpitude.

LEFTWING TERRORIST!!!

295 HappyWarrior  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:21:27am

Yeah they’re going to run with the Che shirt. Sigh.

296 Lidane  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:21:33am

re: #293 DelusionDeluge

Just a heads up: he’s wearing a Che shirt in one of these photos. Expect much derpitude.

Lots of dipshits wear Che shirts.

297 sugikoi  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:22:09am

Also if he was taking depression meds there will be much on that since many of the recent killers have been.

298 Kragar  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:22:29am

A college kid in a Che shirt? What are the odds?
/

299 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:22:40am

re: #296 Lidane

Lots of dipshits wear Che shirts.

Che t-shirts: Standard uniform of “hip” college students.

300 HappyWarrior  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:23:12am

re: #296 Lidane

Lots of dipshits wear Che shirts.

Yeah but to the Breitbart morons, anyone who wears one must be a lefty. Funny story though but when I did Model Congress in 12th government, we had to declare a party and one of the kids who was a self described Republican wore a Che shirt once. I thought that was kind of funny. I own a Che shirt too I confess. THis one.
Image: che-guevara-t-shirt.jpg

301 ssn697  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:23:17am

Andrew Kitzenberg is now a media star.

302 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:23:19am

Comment from scanner traffic:

Seems to be multiple SWAT teams and plainsclothes officers on the scene, they’re cautioning plainsclothes officers to have identifying gear and to stay with uniformed officers if possible.

303 biorabbi  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:23:59am

There is a new Reddit stream trying to debunk the Sunil—Suspect Number 2 linkage… and they posted this comparison picture.

imgur.com

304 Kragar  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:24:02am

Sounds like they’re setting up search patrols

305 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:24:13am

re: #296 Lidane

Lots of dipshits wear Che shirts.

True, but it provides a ‘hook’ for a certain type of right-wing website. The hook does have some validity in this case, given that Che really was a mass murderer.

306 simoom  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:24:47am
307 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:25:00am

re: #303 biorabbi

There is a new Reddit stream trying to debunk the Sunil—Suspect Number 2 linkage… and they posted this comparison picture.

imgur.com

As a female, I feel compelled to point out that that kind of thing is concealable.

That being said, I don’t necessarily think that he is the suspect.

308 Charleston Chew  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:25:07am

re: #303 biorabbi

There is a new Reddit stream trying to debunk the Sunil—Suspect Number 2 linkage… and they posted this comparison picture.

imgur.com

They actually look very similar in those pics, except that he’s smiling.

309 Kragar  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:25:28am

Calling in a bus to evacuate people

310 Olsonist  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:25:33am

Frikin left wing Chejadists.

311 biorabbi  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:25:37am

I will wait for Oliver Stone for the definitive story. This is getting weirder and weirder.

312 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:25:43am

Scanner traffic asking for a schoolbus to shelter folks being evacuated due to explosive devices.

313 HappyWarrior  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:25:43am

re: #303 biorabbi

There is a new Reddit stream trying to debunk the Sunil—Suspect Number 2 linkage… and they posted this comparison picture.

imgur.com

I am no expert but I’d say white hat has a lighter skin complexion than Sunil. Their eyes appear a little different too.But as I said not an expert.

314 simoom  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:26:04am
315 ssn697  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:26:23am

@AKitz went from 400 followers to over 13k in less than 90 minutes…

316 blueraven  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:26:25am

Sounds like these two guys were not part of any terrorist group, They didn’t seem to have any backup. Stealing a car got them caught.

317 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:26:33am

re: #296 Lidane

Lots of dipshits wear Che shirts.

But no TRUE PATRIOT would be caught dead in one, not even hip/ironically, because TP’s don’t do hip/ironic…

318 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:26:45am

re: #313 HappyWarrior

I am no expert but I’d say white hat has a lighter skin complexion than Sunil. Their eyes appear a little different too.But as I said not an expert.

Second look, it is totally not him. Same angle face, but the nose ends at a much lower point.

319 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:28:28am

re: #318 klys

Second look, it is totally not him. Same angle face, but the nose ends at a much lower point.

Yeah, looks like they might have made a bad call.

320 HappyWarrior  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:28:37am

re: #318 klys

Second look, it is totally not him. Same angle face, but the nose ends at a much lower point.

Ah good observation about the nose. I don’t think it’s him either. Is it just me or does white hat look a little short for the description I’ve seen of Sunil. White hat doesn’t look 6’2. I admit my eyes are a little tired but I don’t see how white hat can be two-three inches taller than me.

321 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:28:49am

re: #314 simoom

That tweet is assuming it is Sunil. I’d beg caution on that.

322 sugikoi  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:29:34am

I feel for Sunil’s family any way. They must be going through some weird emotions prying its not him but still wanting to know what happened to him.

323 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:29:35am

re: #316 blueraven

Thanks Onstar!

324 Tigger2  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:29:35am

I agree I don’t think it is him.

325 simoom  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:29:41am


326 Single-handed sailor  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:30:08am

re: #318 klys

Second look, it is totally not him. Same angle face, but the nose ends at a much lower point.

I’d say the mouths are different, even not smiling that one mouth wouldn’t be that small to match the other guy.

327 ssn697  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:30:46am

Suspect 1: Mike Mulugeta Suspect 2: Sunil Tripathi.

Let the internet mining go wild…

328 EvilScott2  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:32:05am

re: #303 biorabbi

There is a new Reddit stream trying to debunk the Sunil—Suspect Number 2 linkage… and they posted this comparison picture.

imgur.com

That picture on the left doesn’t look like suspect #2 from the FBI pics.

329 simoom  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:32:41am

re: #328 EvilScott2

They added some clearer photos around 2am EST.

330 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:33:20am

re: #306 simoom

Thank you, Ms. Tran, for not calling that police vehicle a ‘tank’.

331 Shvaughn  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:34:19am

re: #330 Dark_Falcon

Thank you, Ms. Tran, for not calling that police vehicle a ‘tank’.

Maybe they borrowed it from DHS.

///

332 Lidane  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:34:26am

Because dark humor is how I cope:

333 JamesWI  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:34:34am

Found this on google image search:

Image: tripathi3.PNG

How about, let’s leave the identification to the experts, rather than making conclusive statements based on two pictures?

334 simoom  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:34:48am
335 EvilScott2  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:34:49am

re: #329 simoom

They added some clearer photos around 2am EST.

Oh thanks I see it now. Looks chubby and less tan (it’s winter in Boston) now.

336 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:35:16am

re: #332 Lidane

Somehow, that doesn’t seem implausible in regards to LAPD. They have issues.

337 Kragar  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:35:16am

To all those fucktards wondering why State Police would need bomb resistant trucks, this shit is why.

338 EvilScott2  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:35:31am

re: #334 simoom

What are the odds? Copycats?

339 Lidane  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:36:07am
340 HappyWarrior  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:36:58am

re: #339 Lidane

We’re lucky and fortunate that we haven’t had much wars on our soil. If we did, I really don’t think our population would be as hawkish. But that’s another story for another time.

341 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:37:02am

re: #339 Lidane

Folks went to bed in Boston, woke up in Baghdad.

342 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:38:05am
White male with a dark complexion or a Middle Eastern male with a gray hoodie.

[…]

Charcoal gray hoodie.

DAMMIT CAT, OUT OF THE WAY.

343 biorabbi  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:38:09am

Suspect one dead. Suspects tonight in the shootout are the Marathon bombers and suspect 1 is on the loose according to Boston news tv feed.

344 Charleston Chew  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:38:26am

re: #341 Targetpractice

Folks went to bed in Boston, woke up in Baghdad.

Sadly, the casualties in Iraq were higher this week.

345 EvilScott2  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:38:33am

“white male with dark complexion or middle eastern man, thick curly hair, with a gray hoodie” —[scanner] photo from a store pic from tonight

346 Tigger2  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:39:10am

re: #338 EvilScott2

What are the odds? Copycats?

I don’t imagine it would be copycats this soon after the bombing.

347 sugikoi  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:40:11am

re: #343 biorabbi

Suspect one dead. Suspects tonight in the shootout are the Marathon bombers and suspect 1 is on the loose according to Boston news tv feed.

Have they said which is which? I wonder if the ID of Sunil is based on photos or forensics.

348 Single-handed sailor  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:41:42am

house by house search, perimeter set up

shelter in place to all residents in area
on the scanner

349 EvilScott2  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:41:50am

re: #347 sugikoi

Have they said which is which? I wonder if the ID of Sunil is based on photos or forensics.

The captured guy is Suspect Number 1 (black hat).
Sunil Tripathi may be white hat, suspect number 2.

350 biorabbi  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:41:50am

The word is suspect one… the non-Sunil suspect is dead and the Sunil-or Sunil-look alike suspect is not in custody.

351 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:42:27am

Sounds like they will be holding the perimeter and waiting for light, advising the public to shelter in place.

MY TYPING CONDITIONS.

352 sugikoi  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:42:27am

re: #350 biorabbi

The word is suspect one… the non-Sunil suspect is dead and the Sunil-or Sunil-look alike suspect is not in custody.

thanks.

353 EvilScott2  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:42:59am

re: #350 biorabbi

The word is suspect one… the non-Sunil suspect is dead and the Sunil-or Sunil-look alike suspect is not in custody.

Who is dead? Source?

354 biorabbi  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:43:33am
355 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:43:45am

re: #351 klys

Sounds like they will be holding the perimeter and waiting for light, advising the public to shelter in place.

MY TYPING CONDITIONS.

I note she’s purring throughout this whole damn thing, despite the glare she gave the laptop webcam.

356 JamesWI  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:43:54am

Sorry, to all the “it’s not Sunil!” people, just seems like way too much of a coincidence for BPD to have the wrong name for the suspect, and it just happens to be the name of a guy who went missing under mysterious circumstances, and just happens to look a lot like the guy. Not buying it.

357 Tigger2  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:43:55am

re: #352 sugikoi

thanks.

On the scanner they just said some officers are taking fire but didn’t hear where they were.

358 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:44:40am

re: #356 JamesWI

Sorry, to all the “it’s not Sunil!” people, just seems like way too much of a coincidence for BPD to have the wrong name for the suspect, and it just happens to be the name of a guy who went missing under mysterious circumstances, and just happens to look a lot like the guy. Not buying it.

It’s possible he had a nose job, I’ll grant you.

359 Tigger2  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:45:53am

re: #357 Tigger2

On the scanner they just said some officers are taking fire but didn’t hear where they were.

Edit))) But haven’t heard anything since.

360 Lidane  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:46:43am
361 JamesWI  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:47:01am

re: #358 klys

It’s possible he had a nose job, I’ll grant you.

Or it could be the fact that you’re looking at ONE picture of him from who knows when, and comparing it to a grainy picture taken on Monday. You have a picture where it doesn’t look like him. I have a picture where it looks exactly like him:

Image: tripathi3.PNG

Point being: One picture isn’t enough to suddenly declare that it must be the wrong guy.

362 Lidane  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:47:28am
363 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:49:22am

Until the guy’s either dead or in custody, speculation is all we have. Let’s keep that in mind.

364 biorabbi  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:49:48am

I heard this on the scanner and on the news. Police warning Watertown residents do not stop you car for anyone but a uniformed officer and do not answer door. Sheesh.

365 ssn697  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:50:09am

re: #361 JamesWI

Or it could be the fact that you’re looking at ONE picture of him from who knows when, and comparing it to a grainy picture taken on Monday. You have a picture where it doesn’t look like him. I have a picture where it looks exactly like him:

Image: tripathi3.PNG

Point being: One picture isn’t enough to suddenly declare that it must be the wrong guy.

i remember very clearly the same stuff after James Holmes was arrested. “Not the same guy! Look at the pictures! It’s a conspiracy!!!”

366 Single-handed sailor  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:50:25am

It’s not a good sign when real life passes Hollywood blockbusters in plot, drama, and mystery.

367 HappyWarrior  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:51:16am

re: #364 biorabbi

I heard this on the scanner and on the news. Police warning Watertown residents do not stop you car for anyone but a uniformed officer and do not answer door. Sheesh.

Those poor people.Just hope they get that guy quick and they can return to relative peace and normal.

368 ssn697  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:52:18am

re: #366 Single-handed sailor

It’s not a good sign when real life passes Hollywood blockbusters in plot, drama, and mystery.

Meh. More like typical. So much of real life history is “no fucking way” if written by Hollywood.

369 JamesWI  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:52:41am

re: #365 ssn697

i remember very clearly the same stuff after James Holmes was arrested. “Not the same guy! Look at the pictures! It’s a conspiracy!!!”

If I go through my Facebook pictures, I can find pictures of me that make me look like 10 different people, and none of them will look like what I see when I look in the mirror.

370 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:53:15am

re: #368 ssn697

Meh. More like typical. So much of real life history is “no fucking way” if written by Hollywood.

Audie Murphy reportedly had to cut a lot of the things he’d actually done in the war out of the movie, as he felt nobody would believe he’d done any of it.

371 ssn697  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:53:56am

re: #369 JamesWI

If I go through my Facebook pictures, I can find pictures of me that make me look like 10 different people, and none of them will look like what I see when I look in the mirror.

Heh. I posted pictures of me in 1992, and my own daughter didn’t know who it was. I was 30 at the time, lol. “Who is that?!?!”

372 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:54:43am

re: #361 JamesWI

Or it could be the fact that you’re looking at ONE picture of him from who knows when, and comparing it to a grainy picture taken on Monday. You have a picture where it doesn’t look like him. I have a picture where it looks exactly like him:

Image: tripathi3.PNG

Point being: One picture isn’t enough to suddenly declare that it must be the wrong guy.

I’ll grant you that, but the flip side is also true: one picture isn’t enough to suddenly declare that it must be the right guy.

From the one photo comparison posted here, I am being cautious. Since the scanner has calmed down with the posting of the perimeter, I’m doing some looking (I have a hard enough time understanding voices over the scanner that I need to concentrate on that versus doing other things). I think it’s a mixed bag.

That being said, I’m cautious to some extent because Reddit has been trying to post this connection for several hours. It may be right, it may be wrong, but I’d like something more specific than ‘this one photo looks like him’ before I decide firmly one way or another. My hesitation, given the confusion in the media and apparently to some extent in the law enforcement ranks (based on sources), comes from that.

373 Tigger2  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:55:33am

The police are going to check out a business somewhere around where they are, it has several motions sensors from inside building going off.

374 JamesWI  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:56:20am

re: #371 ssn697

Heh. I posted pictures of me in 1992, and my own daughter didn’t know who it was. I was 30 at the time, lol. “Who is that?!?!”

Oh, I’m not even talking about aging. (Though that definitely is the case with me, seeing as I’ve lost/gained large amounts of weight in short periods of time). Just slight differences of angle. Slight differences in lighting. Quality of camera.

375 ssn697  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:57:21am

re: #370 Targetpractice

Audie Murphy reportedly had to cut a lot of the things he’d actually done in the war out of the movie, as he felt nobody would believe he’d done any of it.

My boat surfaced on to a refugee craft sitting dead in the water. We were going to submerge and leave them, but a couple of people wouldn’t let go of the periscope. We ended up surfacing and bringing them aboard. Took them to port.

We got a Humanitarian award for “helping”. They got sent back to the country they were trying to escape. It is the only medal I have framed, just so people will ask me when they come to my house ;-)

Write that in Hollywood, and bullshit will be called…

376 HappyWarrior  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:57:49am

re: #371 ssn697

Heh. I posted pictures of me in 1992, and my own daughter didn’t know who it was. I was 30 at the time, lol. “Who is that?!?!”

I grew a fairly thick beard my final semester in college. Shaved it off during Thanksgiving. Showed up for a meeting in a club I was in and a couple of the people were amazed that it was me. I don’t think I could get away with the chameleon act though. Having dark hair and very blue eyes makes you memorable.

377 ssn697  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:59:04am

re: #374 JamesWI

Oh, I’m not even talking about aging. (Though that definitely is the case with me, seeing as I’ve bounced lost/gained large amounts of weight in short periods of time). Just slight differences of angle. Slight differences in lighting. Quality of camera.

Absolutely. And another reason why eyewitness testimony is the most unreliable testimony. Hell, a “lie detector” test is WAY more reliable that eyewitness testimony. Same with photos.

378 HappyWarrior  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:59:13am

Anyhow, I’ll say this. I wouldn’t be surprised either way if it is Sunil or not him. There are valid points made for both sides of it. Either way though, I feel for his family. He’s either still missing or the most wanted man in America. That’s got to be heartbreaking.

379 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:59:56am

re: #376 HappyWarrior

I grew a fairly thick beard my final semester in college. Shaved it off during Thanksgiving. Showed up for a meeting in a club I was in and a couple of the people were amazed that it was me. I don’t think I could get away with the chameleon act though. Having dark hair and very blue eyes makes you memorable.

All my uncles have at least a mustache, if not a full beard. Whenever they show up clean shaven, it causes more than a few people to double take.

380 simoom  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:00:17am

re: #362 Lidane

381 ssn697  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:01:12am

re: #378 HappyWarrior

Anyhow, I’ll say this. I wouldn’t be surprised either way if it is Sunil or not him. There are valid points made for both sides of it. Either way though, I feel for his family. He’s either still missing or the most wanted man in America. That’s got to be heartbreaking.

It’s all numbing, going back to the marathon. I can’t even imagine being them.

382 simoom  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:02:12am
383 HappyWarrior  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:03:08am

re: #379 Targetpractice

All my uncles have at least a mustache, if not a full beard. Whenever they show up clean shaven, it causes more than a few people to double take.

My dad and his brothers are the same. Hell I’ve never seen those two uncles clean shaven and I can’t remember the last time my Dad was. I know for a fact that my 12 year old brother has never seen him sans beard. It’s funny because my Dad looks very similar to my one uncle except my Dad’s a half foot taller. So my one uncle was visiting when my middle brother was like six years old. One of his friends sees me uncle and goes “Oh you shrunk.”

384 HappyWarrior  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:03:26am

re: #382 simoom

Get well officer.

385 ssn697  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:03:36am

1 suspect dead, the other in custody. That’s the latest tweet.

386 JamesWI  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:03:57am

One last note: It’s not like the BPD is just looking at a couple of pictures on the internet when they named the suspects. I don’t think they just went on to Reddit and saw the comparison and went “Hey, that must be him! Let’s blast his name to anyone listening to the scanner!” They’ve obviously got pretty good reason to say the guy they’re chasing is Sunil.

387 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:04:46am

re: #386 JamesWI

One last note: It’s not like the BPD is just looking at a couple of pictures on the internet when they named the suspects. I don’t think they just went on to Reddit and saw the comparison and went “Hey, that must be him! Let’s blast his name to anyone listening to the scanner!” They’ve obviously got pretty good reason to say the guy they’re chasing is Sunil.

Facial recognition software, perhaps?

388 Robert O.  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:05:16am

It’s not only the missing mole in Sunil’s picture. The suspect seems to have a narrow mouth, Sunil’s is wider. Also, their noses look distinctly different.

389 HappyWarrior  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:06:15am

re: #386 JamesWI

One last note: It’s not like the BPD is just looking at a couple of pictures on the internet when they named the suspects. I don’t think they just went on to Reddit and saw the comparison and went “Hey, that must be him! Let’s blast his name to anyone listening to the scanner!” They’ve obviously got pretty good reason to say the guy they’re chasing is Sunil.

Of course not. They had good reason to name him as a suspect. I was just surprised at some things like that white hat looked average height to me and Sunil is reported at 6’2 in height. I definitely trust the BPD knows what they’re doing here. After all, they’re trained for this and I am just one guy.

390 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:06:41am

re: #388 Robert O.

It’s not only the missing mole in Sunil’s picture. The suspect seems to have a narrow mouth, Sunil’s is wider. Also, their noses look distinctly different.

foreigners all look the same…that’s why we shoot first, ask questions later and deport the ones who survive.

/

391 JamesWI  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:06:52am

re: #388 Robert O.

It’s not only the missing mole in Sunil’s picture. The suspect seems to have a narrow mouth, Sunil’s is wider. Also, their noses look distinctly different.

Two pictures, likely taken years apart. Different angles, different lighting. Picture from Monday is pixelated like crazy so there’s no way to tell whether or not there is a tiny mole there.

392 EvilScott2  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:08:10am

Just a random thought that is likely not related but interesting:
A couple years ago there was an FBI case of Somali young men that lived in the US and went to Horn of Africa area for supposed terrorist training. It seems Mulugeta is an Ethiopian name. Just a weird coincidence that popped into my head.

393 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:09:04am

re: #386 JamesWI

One last note: It’s not like the BPD is just looking at a couple of pictures on the internet when they named the suspects. I don’t think they just went on to Reddit and saw the comparison and went “Hey, that must be him! Let’s blast his name to anyone listening to the scanner!” They’ve obviously got pretty good reason to say the guy they’re chasing is Sunil.

I want to point out that these are unconfirmed reports that it was said over the scanner.

I have been listening to the scanner all evening. I didn’t hear these names. I admit, they could have been named either while I was AFK or while I was not listening carefully, but this is one of the first major reasons I am taking this with a grain of salt.

I haven’t found any credible news website yet giving suspect names, so feel free to link. In the meantime, I look at a lot of the images and note that the tip of the nose seems to be in different locations - and this is frequently one of the most reflective portions of a person’s face.

394 Single-handed sailor  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:10:04am

re: #392 EvilScott2

Just a random thought that is likely not related but interesting:
A couple years ago there was an FBI case of Somali young men that lived in the US and went to Horn of Africa area for supposed terrorist training. It seems Mulugeta is an Ethiopian name. Just a weird coincidence that popped into my head.

I noticed the Ethiopian link from a Google search.

395 simoom  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:10:21am

Supposedly cellphone video from the shootout. Too far away to see anything, but lots of gunfire (there’s a barrage of it at the end):

Youtube Video
396 sagehen  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:12:34am

re: #374 JamesWI

Oh, I’m not even talking about aging. (Though that definitely is the case with me, seeing as I’ve lost/gained large amounts of weight in short periods of time). Just slight differences of angle. Slight differences in lighting. Quality of camera.

how lighting differences totally change your looks:

Vimeo
397 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:13:17am

DAMMIT CATS.

398 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:13:47am

re: #397 klys

DAMMIT CATS.

Ah, that looks familiar.

399 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:13:47am
Units heading to [address], do not use your radios.
400 simoom  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:14:12am

^ From the 7/11 I presume.

401 Robert O.  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:14:15am

Another point here is that since TWO people were involved, then given the context and planning, there has to be a political motive. (Had it been one person, then I could accept an Adam Lanza-style lone wolf). If the names offered are to go by, one of them is Indian and the other an Ethiopian. What possible reason is there to bring two such individuals together to attack the US? I’ve really only considered two likely scenarios: (a) the attackers are Jihadists, (b) the attackers are far-right extremists. It’s not immediately clear how the two names fit.

402 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:14:33am

re: #398 Targetpractice

Ah, that looks familiar.

I note this is between me and laptop keyboard.

403 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:15:38am

re: #402 klys

I note this is between me and laptop keyboard.

I’ve got two who like to pull that routine. Well, the one insists on it, the other I have to get to lay down just so he’s not sitting on my desk between me and the keyboard.

404 sugikoi  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:15:56am

re: #401 Robert O.

Another point here is that since TWO people were involved, then given the context and planning, there has to be a political motive. (Had it been one person, then I could accept an Adam Lanza-style lone wolf). If the names offered are to go by, one of them is Indian and the other an Ethiopian. What possible reason is there to bring two such individuals together to attack the US? I’ve really only considered two likely scenarios: (a) the attackers are Jihadists, (b) the attackers are far-right extremists. It’s not immediately clear how the two names fit.

Columbine was a team effort.

405 JamesWI  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:15:57am

re: #401 Robert O.

Another point here is that since TWO people were involved, then given the context and planning, there has to be a political motive. (Had it been one person, then I could accept an Adam Lanza-style lone wolf). If the names offered are to go by, one of them is Indian and the other an Ethiopian. What possible reason is there to bring two such individuals together to attack the US? I’ve really only considered two likely scenarios: (a) the attackers are Jihadists, (b) the attackers are far-right extremists. It’s not immediately clear how the two names fit.

Um…..no.

406 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:16:08am

re: #400 simoom

Looking at that, there’s still no hook down at the nose tip which we see in the photos (profile) for Sunil. Nose job remains possible.

407 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:16:30am

re: #403 Targetpractice

I’ve got two who like to pull that routine. Well, the one insists on it, the other I have to get to lay down just so he’s not sitting on my desk between me and the keyboard.

If the third joins they’re all getting thrown off.

408 boredtechindenver  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:16:39am

Dim Hoft has already declared victory and that they are either leftists or muslim extremists.

409 EvilScott2  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:17:30am

EOD being dispatched to East Watertown address.

410 ssn697  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:18:09am

re: #408 boredtechindenver

Dim Hoft has already declared victory and that they are either leftists or muslim extremists.

So glad he holds tragedy in such high regard. Must be his Bible teachin’…

411 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:19:31am

re: #401 Robert O.

Another point here is that since TWO people were involved, then given the context and planning, there has to be a political motive. (Had it been one person, then I could accept an Adam Lanza-style lone wolf). If the names offered are to go by, one of them is Indian and the other an Ethiopian. What possible reason is there to bring two such individuals together to attack the US? I’ve really only considered two likely scenarios: (a) the attackers are Jihadists, (b) the attackers are far-right extremists. It’s not immediately clear how the two names fit.

Sunil is American-born and nothing in what his family has told the media reads as a guy who’d suddenly join a terrorist organization.

412 Tigger2  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:19:34am

re: #408 boredtechindenver

Dim Hoft has already declared victory and that they are either leftists or muslim extremists.

Hoft is rarely right about anything.

413 JamesWI  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:19:55am

re: #404 sugikoi

Columbine was a team effort.

DC Snipers. There are plenty of two-person teams of killers without being ideological. Everything about Robert O.’s comment is simply false. Which is why I thought it deserved no more response than “Um…..no.”

414 simoom  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:20:12am

The Boston police commissioner seems to confirm these are the marathon bombing suspects:

415 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:20:21am

Look, given how much people here were riffing on Reddit earlier today for potentially identifying people who in the end were not related to the investigation, can we avoid naming names and linking photos until we have a comment from the police department saying that this is the suspect name?

I’m willing to eat my words if I’m wrong, but I’d rather not bring unnecessary pain to a family already suffering from the unexplained disappearance of a beloved son and brother.

416 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:21:09am

re: #415 klys

Look, given how much people here were riffing on Reddit earlier today for potentially identifying people who in the end were not related to the investigation, can we avoid naming names and linking photos until we have a comment from the police department saying that this is the suspect name?

I’m willing to eat my words if I’m wrong, but I’d rather not bring unnecessary pain to a family already suffering from the unexplained disappearance of a beloved son and brother.

Agreed.

417 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:22:42am

Current press conference:

We are not prepared to talk about identification.

418 Robert O.  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:23:03am

Actually, I did consider Columbine, but that was a “revenge attack” by two disturbed students against their school. I don’t see a parallel here.

419 EvilScott2  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:24:26am

re: #414 simoom

The Boston police commissioner seems to confirm these are the marathon bombing suspects:

I don’t think either suspect is dead.

420 JamesWI  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:25:08am

re: #418 Robert O.

Actually, I did consider Columbine, but that was a “revenge attack” by two disturbed students against their school. I don’t see a parallel here.

But your great analysis of “Well, one last name sounds Indian and the other Ethiopian, so it must be ideological” is so sound.

421 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:25:36am

re: #419 EvilScott2

I don’t think either suspect is dead.

-

Police now believe suspect #1 has been killed.

From CNN. Take with grain of salt.

422 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:27:49am

I bet that poor jogger is never going jogging at night again. Ending up in a manhunt, stripped naked, and having that footage aired on CNN? No, thank you.

423 palomino  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:28:09am

re: #418 Robert O.

Actually, I did consider Columbine, but that was a “revenge attack” by two disturbed students against their school. I don’t see a parallel here.

Actually Columbine wasn’t really a revenge attack. Harris and Klebold were, respectively, a sociopath who wanted to create as much mayhem and bloodshed as possible, and a disturbed willing follower.

They weren’t seeking revenge against anyone in particular or for any clear reason. They planned to blow up the entire school cafeteria, which would have just been random slaughter like Aurora and Newtown. Their explosives failed to detonate, so the victims were all shot.

424 JamesWI  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:29:10am

klys - This picture seems to show the hook to the nose you were looking for: Image: IfEgkXB.jpg

425 EvilScott2  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:30:47am

The guy that they took naked into the squad car looked healthy, now he’s dead? [Suspect #1 Black hat]

WTF? Or was that a totally different, innocent person they took naked?


Now scanner says Suspect #1 had an explosive on his person when confronted with police - possible suicide bomb.

426 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:30:50am

re: #424 JamesWI

klys - This picture seems to show the hook to the nose you were looking for: Image: IfEgkXB.jpg

Can we agree to disagree sinceconfirmation bias is potentially being in play on both our sides on this (I could write that off as an artifact of the pixellation due to compression as discussed during one of the earlier threads this evening) and compromise by not using the guy’s name until it’s released by law enforcement through official channels? I’ll settle for that.

427 sugikoi  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:31:50am

re: #413 JamesWI

DC Snipers. There are plenty of two-person teams of killers without being ideological. Everything about Robert O.’s comment is simply false. Which is why I thought it deserved no more response than “Um…..no.”

I think the older of the DC sniper had some race war thing going on, the younger definitely a disturbed follower.

428 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:32:20am

re: #425 EvilScott2

The guy that they took naked into the squad car looked healthy, now he’s dead? [Suspect #1 Black hat]

WTF?

At one point they stated that they had a potential second suspect and/or witness. I’d figure witness. I think the suspect was mostly off-scene by the time cameras arrived.

429 biorabbi  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:32:31am

re: #425 EvilScott2

No, he was one of the folks arrested… the naked guy refused to back up or something, then was arrested. I think the cops forced his clothes off secondary to fear of explosives. He was/is not suspect 1 and was released! This is my understanding of naked guy.

430 JamesWI  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:33:08am

re: #426 klys

Can we agree to disagree sinceconfirmation bias is potentially being in play on both our sides on this (I could write that off as an artifact of the pixellation due to compression as discussed during one of the earlier threads this evening) and compromise by not using the guy’s name until it’s released by law enforcement through official channels? I’ll settle for that.

Agree to disagree that the picture seems to show a hooked nose? Do you not see it there?

431 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:33:29am

re: #425 EvilScott2

The guy that they took naked into the squad car looked healthy, now he’s dead? [Suspect #1 Black hat]

WTF? Or was that a totally different, innocent person they took naked?

Naked guy, from all appearances, was somebody who wouldn’t leave when the cops told him to and so was strip-searched as a matter of precaution. Some people just don’t know when to walk away.

432 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:33:48am

Jesus.

The first suspect may have had some type of explosive device on his chest that detotnated when he was taken into custody.

433 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:34:43am

Errr, this was to JamesWI.

I see something there, but given that other profile shots seem to show a flat line I attribute it to pixellation due to photo compression. So we can agree to disagree on the source of that. Fair?

434 Cardio (formerly JRCMYP)  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:35:01am

re: #432 klys

Jesus.

Where are you getting that? (Yes, it’s 4:30 here in Boston and I’ve been awake since 2:00)

435 Tigger2  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:35:25am

re: #432 klys

Jesus.

Yeah they said the second suspect had one.

One or two whichever one they got first had a bomb one him.

436 EvilScott2  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:35:46am

So Suspect #1 blew himself up?

Scanner Warning to all officers to be aware of possible suicide bomb on Suspect #2.

437 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:35:48am

re: #434 Cardio (formerly JRCMYP)

Where are you getting that? (Yes, it’s 4:30 here in Boston and I’ve been awake since 2:00)

Police scanner.

For those just tuning in, anything I quote using blockquote sans attribution is a quote (as close as I can manage) from the Boston PD scanner.

438 biorabbi  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:36:38am

OMG, bomb attached to chest… Jesus.

439 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:36:43am
The person that is currently at large might have a device on his person if we come across him.
440 JamesWI  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:36:51am

re: #433 klys

Errr, this was to JamesWI.

I see something there, but given that other profile shots seem to show a flat line I attribute it to pixellation due to photo compression. So we can agree to disagree on the source of that. Fair?

Eh, I think that picture is a lot less pixelated than the ones you guys were using in the comparison with the smiling Che shirt picture. But I guess at this point, arguing any further is pointless. Have a good night.

441 Cardio (formerly JRCMYP)  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:36:53am

re: #437 klys

Police scanner.

For those just tuning in, anything I quote using blockquote sans attribution is a quote (as close as I can manage) from the Boston PD scanner.

Ah. I’ve actually been reading for 2 hours. I’m going to be very tired tomorrow.

442 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:37:27am

re: #439 klys

Yeah, these guys aren’t going to be taken alive.

443 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:39:34am

re: #441 Cardio (formerly JRCMYP)

Ah. I’ve actually been reading for 2 hours. I’m going to be very tired tomorrow.

My husband has done the smart thing and gone to bed.

I am not known for doing the smart thing.

444 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:40:30am
We have bicyclists now coming into work from the Boston side of this greenway.

Oops.

445 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:41:14am

The third cat has decided to be well behaved and settle on my legs as opposed to I WILL BLOCK IT ALL territory.

446 JamesWI  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:41:55am

re: #442 Targetpractice

Yeah, these guys aren’t going to be taken alive.

Which seems to lean slightly towards the thrill-killer/sociopath side of the argument, rather than the ideological. At least to me, it seems like the ideological killers either like to die in the attack itself, or live to tell everyone about how great their cause was.

Though that’s just my opinion, which could be completely wrong.

447 Tigger2  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:42:38am

re: #444 klys

Oops.

There’s something going to happen they want all the tactical commanders to meet is the state police trailer.

448 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:43:51am
GET DOWN ON YOUR KNEES, GET DOWN ON YOUR KNEES.

Where are you sir?

Where are you sir?

Where are you sir?

Sir, what is your location with that party.

449 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:44:34am

Whew, all is well just came through on that.

450 JamesWI  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:49:45am

CNN hinting that it’s Sunil. Talking about how the police know their names, and how one or both went missing from other states a number of weeks ago.

451 ssn697  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:50:43am

“At least one was trained overseas, and came here to kill us”.

If you are brown, go into hiding…

452 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:52:23am

re: #450 JamesWI

CNN hinting that it’s [name]. Talking about how the police know their names, and how one or both went missing from other states a number of weeks ago.

CNN has no credibility this week. None. Nada.

Look, if it ends up being him, I will gladly eat my words. In the meantime, could we not link his name with this? His family is in enough agony without having the first search result be linking him with the bombings instead of the fact that he is missing. There are no recordings produced yet that show this name being given over the radio, despite the fact that I am sure people are capturing this.

453 ssn697  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:52:40am

No sleep tonight. Not quite 3 Montana time, and not a chance I get to bed. Time to pull out the training, and get a 20 minute power nap.

Okay. SOME sleep, lol.

454 JamesWI  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:59:25am

re: #452 klys

CNN has no credibility this week. None. Nada.

Look, if it ends up being him, I will gladly eat my words. In the meantime, could we not link his name with this? His family is in enough agony without having the first search result be linking him with the bombings instead of the fact that he is missing. There are no recordings produced yet that show this name being given over the radio, despite the fact that I am sure people are capturing this.

I don’t see what the problem is with using his name here. I’m not the New York Post or CNN. No one is looking to us for information on the suspects. And suddenly stopping our use of his name isn’t going to change the fact that it was used a couple hundred times here, not to mention all over the internet.

455 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 2:08:15am

re: #454 JamesWI

I don’t see what the problem is with using his name here. I’m not the New York Post or CNN. No one is looking to us for information on the suspects. And suddenly stopping our use of his name isn’t going to change the fact that it was used a couple hundred times here, not to mention all over the internet.

I don’t see what the problem is with using his name here on Reddit. I’m Reddit’s not the New York Post or CNN. No one is looking to us Reddit for information on the suspects. And suddenly stopping our use of his name isn’t going to change the fact that it was used a couple hundred times here on Reddit, not to mention all over the internet.

//

It’s the same exact shit. Google looks at usage all over the web. If you’re right and they actually release it at the news conference, then you can rejoice in that. If not, then you have contributed to the pain of a family that is already hurting. I see not doing so as a win-win for you: no pain for a hurting family or getting say I told you so. I fail to see what using the name accomplishes.

456 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 2:14:01am
457 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 2:16:15am

VGA projection, guys? Really?

458 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 2:16:31am

re: #456 klys

If true, the usual suspects are going to be insufferable for the next week.

459 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 2:18:30am

So we have some concrete information, but still no end of unfounded speculation.

Still waiting for official reports.

460 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 2:18:40am

Pete Williams on MSNBC says authorities say the missing Brown student is not one of the suspects.

461 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 2:18:42am

re: #458 Targetpractice

NBC has been more accurate than the usual suspects this week. But. This tweet comes from the same guy who an hour or two before connected Suspect 2 with the missing student. So.

(I have seen confirmation from Reddit (which has at least failed less on reporting what they see news-wise) that NBC did say this, but it was equally greeted there with cries of ‘source’. Take as you will.)

462 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 2:19:45am

re: #459 Sol Berdinowitz

So we have some concrete information, but still no end of unfounded speculation.

Still waiting for official reports.

I will say, the police scanner has been quite lively to listen to. Dawn is in …another 30 minutes or so? At which point they plan to move in from the perimeter.

463 spiderx  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 2:21:26am

not Sunil.

I knew it. Some mope on twitter said he heard it on BP scanner and then it went viral. It was crap.

464 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 2:24:00am

Press conference on the incidents tonight right now.

Doctor speaking who treated suspect #1, I believe.

No information on the identity of the deceased patient. He was at least an adult male.

465 Tigger2  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 2:26:04am

I know one thing if I lived around Boston there is no way I would wear a backpack right now for any reason.

466 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 2:27:42am

They believe it was a combination of blast and gunshot wounds. Not really giving more specifics. Was in arrest on arrival.

467 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 2:28:52am

“Burps and shrapnel.”

Thanks CNN CC people. You just made my night.

468 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 2:32:21am

Starting to get light in the images on CNN from the streets.

469 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 2:33:09am

re: #462 klys

I will say, the police scanner has been quite lively to listen to. Dawn is in …another 30 minutes or so? At which point they plan to move in from the perimeter.

I meant more about the origins/motives of the bombers. Those should wait until official information has been released, but will most certainly be preceeded by no end of blovinating about foreigners, Islam, Immigration, etc…

I am cringing already.

470 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 2:33:50am

re: #469 Sol Berdinowitz

I meant more about the origins/motives of the bombers. Those should wait until official information has been released, but will most certainly be preceeded by no end of blovinating about foreigners, Islam, Immigration, etc…

I am cringing already.

I sort of hope by the time the normal suspects wake up maybe there will be more information.

It’s probably a vain hope. But I do hope.

471 Timothy Watson  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 2:34:20am

OT question: Is there a way to change timezone settings on LGF or does it just use Pacific Time?

472 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 2:39:07am

re: #471 Timothy Watson

OT question: Is there a way to change timezone settings on LGF or does it just use Pacific Time?

I looked under my account settings and didn’t see a way to do so. I am, however, relatively new. So.

473 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 2:42:31am

Oh Christ, guess who’s awake?

474 biorabbi  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 2:42:59am

Scanner reporting a call to get a negotiator.

475 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 2:43:35am

re: #473 Targetpractice

Oh Christ, guess who’s awake?

I refuse to even click on the link and see what he says. I won’t touch it.

Scanner is indicating T service may be suspended, at least running through the affected area (Watertown).

476 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 2:45:14am

Well. Ok. It seems they shut down all mass transit trains.

477 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 2:45:33am

re: #475 klys

I refuse to even click on the link and see what he says. I won’t touch it.

Scanner is indicating T service may be suspended, at least running through the affected area (Watertown).

For those who don’t wish to click the link, numbnuts has the picture of the Naked Guy splayed on the ground, the first picture any news service saw of what they thought was the suspect in question, and suggesting that the subsequent report that the suspect is dead doesn’t jibe with the picture.

478 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 2:46:29am

re: #477 Targetpractice

For those who don’t wish to click the link, numbnuts has the picture of the Naked Guy splayed on the ground, the first picture any news service saw of what they thought was the suspect in question, and suggesting that the subsequent report that the suspect is dead doesn’t jibe with the picture.

Apparently his conspiracy theorists didn’t manage to make it to either of the overnight news conferences. He’s probably just pissy as a result.

479 Tigger2  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 2:47:20am

re: #473 Targetpractice

Oh Christ, guess who’s awake?

Since he was killed while he was shooting at the cops I don’t think he tried to used the surrender option.

480 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 2:47:35am

re: #478 klys

Apparently his conspiracy theorists didn’t manage to make it to either of the overnight news conferences. He’s probably just pissy as a result.

You know how it goes. Jones needs to push the “false flag” bit, so the suggestion that the government murdered the patsies to prevent them from talking fits is the only logical means of explaining how they could have ended up dead in police custody.

481 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 2:51:53am
Civilian, [address], heard noises in the garage.
482 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 2:54:48am

…

I must have misheard. I think they were calling for less lethal shotguns.

483 Shvaughn  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 2:55:50am

re: #482 klys

…

I must have misheard. I think they were calling for less lethal shotguns.

Aren’t there less lethal shotguns that shoot beanbags?

484 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 2:56:38am

re: #483 Shvaughn

Aren’t there less lethal shotguns that shoot beanbags?

I guess?

I would have thought the delineation was “lethal” and “not-lethal”. Not “less lethal”. But I freely admit my gun knowledge is not very extensive.

485 Tigger2  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 2:57:44am

re: #482 klys

…

I must have misheard. I think they were calling for less lethal shotguns.

They did.

486 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 2:59:36am

re: #483 Shvaughn

Aren’t there less lethal shotguns that shoot beanbags?

Aye, legally they’re classified as “less-lethal” because they can kill under the right circumstances.

487 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 2:59:50am

re: #481 klys

Referencing this, they have declared it clear.

488 KiTA  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 3:00:25am

Welp. Grain of salt, but… welp.

489 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 3:00:25am

re: #486 Targetpractice

Aye, legally they’re classified as “less-lethal” because they can kill under the right circumstances.

Like when they hit the bomb the guy has strapped to his chest?

490 Shvaughn  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 3:00:34am

Wikipedia says:

Non-lethal weapons, also called less-lethal weapons, less-than-lethal weapons, non-deadly weapons, compliance weapons, or pain-inducing weapons are weapons intended to be less likely to kill a living target than are conventional weapons. It is often understood that accidental, incidental, and correlative casualties are risked wherever force is applied, but non-lethal weapons try to minimise the risk as much as possible.

491 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 3:01:55am

Dude, if unrelated to the case, white guy in the black jacket with a black bag, this is not the day to hitchhike.

492 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 3:03:42am

re: #488 KiTA

Welp. Grain of salt, but… welp.

Yep, get ready for a week of “Muslims are coming to kill us all!”

493 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 3:06:43am
Tac teams should be getting ready for their quadrants.
494 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 3:11:46am
That’s what they call me, [name] In-and-Out [name].
495 sagehen  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 3:14:23am

SPECULATION: is it possible that the reason they were at MIT in the first place is because that was meant to be their next target, they intended to kill a bunch of our next generation of scientists? That the security guard got in their way, that’s why they killed him, and that’s why the whole rest of the night seems improvised? (flinging explosives out of the car seems odd, like maybe they’d been planning to plant them in the buildings but still had them with them when they ran off)

496 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 3:14:39am

Much of the area the scanner traffic is directly referencing is here.

Report just came over the scanner of fresh blood on the ground.

497 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 3:17:11am
All units into [address]

We’ve got him. He’s in custody right now.

498 sugikoi  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 3:20:07am

re: #492 Targetpractice

Yep, get ready for a week of “Muslims are coming to kill us all!”

Well bigots who are praying for that outcome will rejoice, gloat and rant. But if it is overseas trained jihadis it does mean that some Muslims are coming to kill as many of us as they can, including Muslim Americans, and it warrants much attention, especially from normal non bigots.

499 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 3:20:22am
Put it on the air. Put it on the air.

We’ve got a Boston cab. […]

Do you have the suspect we were looking for over in Watertown?

And now we have an announcement about the mass transit shutdown.

500 Shvaughn  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 3:22:09am

re: #498 sugikoi

But if it is overseas trained jihadis it does mean that some Muslims are coming to kill as many of us as they can, including Muslim Americans, and it warrants much attention, especially from normal non bigots.

Yeah but at this point, that’s still a pretty big if.

501 sugikoi  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 3:22:50am

re: #500 Shvaughn

Yeah but at this point, that’s still a pretty big if.

Absolutely. We know they are young and male. Period.

502 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 3:37:14am

Contrary to earlier scanner traffic, suspect not in custody. Not terribly surprising. They’re focusing on another area and (also unsurprisingly) having to move the news crews out of the way.

CNN is much more tolerable on mute when I only look at it once every half hour or so.

503 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 3:39:34am

Officers are not allowed to wear flourescent orange on this.

504 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 3:41:50am
So nyyyyyyyyaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh.

True quote, I swear.

505 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 3:43:27am
506 Bulworth  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 3:50:00am

AP reporting suspects are from Russia, near Chechnya. Seen on Yahoo front page, although link to story does not provide details.

507 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 3:50:46am

re: #506 Bulworth

AP reporting suspects are from Russia, near Chechnya. Seen on Yahoo front page, although link to story does not provide details.

Chechan terrorists in the US? Oh, this should go over well.

508 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 3:52:28am

re: #506 Bulworth

AP reporting suspects are from Russia, near Chechnya. Seen on Yahoo front page, although link to story does not provide details.

I have yet to see details. Running a Google search on the name brings up a scholarship in the US in 2011; it’s been at least a year and a half if that’s the right guy.

509 sugikoi  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 3:54:54am

re: #508 klys

I have yet to see details. Running a Google search on the name brings up a scholarship in the US in 2011; it’s been at least a year and a half if that’s the right guy.

Which guy?

510 sagehen  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 3:54:55am

re: #507 Targetpractice

Chechan terrorists in the US? Oh, this should go over well.

So they’re as Caucasian as is physically possible… but also Muslim. Something for everyone.

511 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 3:56:05am

re: #509 sugikoi

Which guy?

The name the AP is offering as the surviving bomber. I’m going by a policy of not naming anyone as a suspect until I hear the name come from one of the FBI agents involved.

512 Four More Tears  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 4:03:41am

AP: Surviving Boston Bomb Suspect Identified As Dzhokhar A. Tsarnaev
WASHINGTON (AP) — Surviving Boston bomb suspect identified as Dzhokhar A. Tsarnaev, 19, of Cambridge, Mass.

huff.to

513 Shvaughn  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 4:03:49am
514 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 4:04:48am

Legal residents. Well, there goes that talking point.

515 Shvaughn  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 4:05:58am

re: #514 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Legal residents. Well, there goes that talking point.

In good news, we don’t have to worry about that stupid Che shirt now. In bad news, Sunil is still missing. :(

516 Four More Tears  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 4:09:50am
517 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 4:12:06am

re: #516 Four More Tears

Certainly looks similar.

518 simoom  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 4:12:10am
519 Four More Tears  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 4:14:01am

re: #518 simoom

Hey, if I were living in that area right now, I’d be like “don’t you be telling me not to be concerned.”

520 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 4:17:30am

Holy shit! I just woke up and I feel like I’m in Bizzaro Land. This week is ending with a bang.

521 biorabbi  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 4:18:51am

There are no words. Simply unbelievable.

522 Dr. Matt  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 4:19:01am

MSNBC is reporting that the suspects may be chechnyan or Russian.

523 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 4:20:07am

My cat is snoring. I am not.

524 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 4:20:19am

re: #522 Dr. Matt

MSNBC is reporting that the suspects may be chechnyan or Russian.

Does that make them left or right? After all, Stalin was a liberal, as was his arch-enemy, Hitler!!!

525 sagehen  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 4:22:16am

Going to breakfast. When I return, I want to hear they’ve caught him. (alive preferably, I’d like somebody to have a chance to ask him questions.)

526 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 4:22:42am

Pam Geller’s twitter has gone quiet…

527 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 4:22:58am

re: #525 sagehen

Going to breakfast. When I return, I want to hear they’ve caught him. (alive preferably, I’d like somebody to have a chance to ask him questions.)

I’ll tell you anything you want to hear, as long as you get CNN to hire me.

528 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 4:23:55am

re: #525 sagehen

Going to breakfast. When I return, I want to hear they’ve caught him. (alive preferably, I’d like somebody to have a chance to ask him questions.)

Same here. Whether the suspect on the lam wants to be taken alive is a different matter, however.

529 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 4:24:54am

ahhh…pam has been busy over at jihadwatch making the obvious (to her) connections…

530 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 4:25:08am

re: #526 Backwoods_Sleuth

Pam Geller’s twitter has gone quiet…

Speaking of nutters, I just checked Alex Jones’ twitter and apparently he caught his mistake, because the tweet I posted in 473 has since been deleted.

531 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 4:25:27am

re: #524 Sol Berdinowitz

Does that make them left or right? After all, Stalin was a liberal, as was his arch-enemy, Hitler!!!

Chechnya is mostly Sunni, so the regular crowd are going to be crowing once they get up to speed.

Because in some mystical way their baseless guessing is now validated. Because this case was solved by bigoted prognostication, not field work and evidence collection.

532 Four More Tears  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 4:27:33am

Yes, why won’t the media answer the important questions…

533 sugikoi  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 4:27:45am

re: #531 The Ghost of a Flea

Chechnya is mostly Sunni, so the regular crowd are going to be crowing once they get up to speed.

Because in some mystical way their baseless guessing is now validated. Because this case was solved by bigoted prognostication, not field work and evidence collection.

I think everyone realized it was going to be one of the usual categories though imprudent to guess which without evidence.

534 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 4:28:09am

*facepalm*

The earlier tweets about Suspect 2 being Sunil? According to InfoWars, this “breaking news” came courtesy of 4Chan.

535 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 4:28:22am

re: #522 Dr. Matt

MSNBC is reporting that the suspects may be chechnyan or Russian.

CNN is searching for information on what shade of brown Chechens are.

536 Dr. Matt  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 4:28:36am

Social website profile for suspect 2.

Worldview: Islam.

If this is true, the baggers are going to explode.

537 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 4:28:56am

re: #535 NJDhockeyfan

CNN is searching for information on what shade of brown Chechens are.

Chechens are literally Caucasian.

538 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 4:30:03am

re: #525 sagehen

Going to breakfast. When I return, I want to hear they’ve caught him. (alive preferably, I’d like somebody to have a chance to ask him questions.)

He won’t talk. He’ll lawyer up right away.

539 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 4:31:04am

re: #536 Dr. Matt

Social website profile for suspect 2.

Worldview: Islam.

If this is true, the baggers are going to explode.

So when it says he was last logged in at 5:04am, what time zone are we talking? Mobile log in? Or complete bullshit on the part of the website?

540 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 4:31:57am

re: #536 Dr. Matt

Social website profile for suspect 2.

Worldview: Islam.

If this is true, the baggers are going to explode.

That’s about all they’ll get, a couple of Muslims from Chechnya. They’ll crow that they were right, that it’s Islamic terrorism, and that’ll be it. From all appearances, these two are a couple of amateurs, not some sophisticated terror cell working on orders from upon high. Probably transplants who are holding a grudge from some past slight and saw an opportunity to cause a bunch of carnage.

541 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 4:32:25am

re: #539 klys

So when it says he was last logged in at 5:04am, what time zone are we talking? Mobile log in? Or complete bullshit on the part of the website?

Look at the date of school number 1. Newer school listing makes no sense either.

542 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 4:33:07am

Ah well, Bad Morning to you, Lizardia. Heard the news as I was driving in to work this morning. WTF CHECHENS!1!! That’s like EVERY MOVIE & TV COP SHOW MADE SINCE 2001 (that didn’t feature teh EEbil Serbians)

543 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 4:33:58am

Urgh. I just woke up after getting back to the US. I’m lost.

Sorry to be selfish, but did these fuckers manage to kill people at MIT? I know a lot of people there. Or are they just chasing them?

544 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 4:34:29am

re: #543 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Urgh. I just woke up after getting back to the US. I’m lost.

Sorry to be selfish, but did these fuckers manage to kill people at MIT? I know a lot of people there. Or are they just chasing them?

A campus security officer was shot to death.

545 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 4:34:35am

re: #543 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Urgh. I just woke up after getting back to the US. I’m lost.

Sorry to be selfish, but did these fuckers manage to kill people at MIT? I know a lot of people there. Or are they just chasing them?

Police officer. No students.

Blackhat is dead, whitehat is still on the run.

546 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 4:34:35am
547 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 4:35:08am

re: #543 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Urgh. I just woke up after getting back to the US. I’m lost.

Sorry to be selfish, but did these fuckers manage to kill people at MIT? I know a lot of people there. Or are they just chasing them?

Killed a guard, though whether they were just cutting across the campus or in the midst of planning another bombing is still unknown.

548 biorabbi  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 4:36:10am

I hope they get the bastard alive.

549 ElCapitanAmerica  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 4:36:22am

He’s been in the US a lot longer than 1 year, this wrestling bracket listing has him as far back as 2008;

masswrestling.com

Notice they misspelled his name …

550 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 4:36:54am

re: #533 sugikoi

I think everyone realized it was going to be one of the usual categories though imprudent to guess which without evidence.

My point being, retroactive accuracy isn’t accuracy, it’s the shootist fallacy or some other fallacy. I feel it’s important to note, because atop all of their other ugliness, these nutters are attempting to assert their paranoia as a substitute for actual research, effort, and rational thought.

551 sugikoi  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 4:37:51am

re: #550 The Ghost of a Flea

My point being, retroactive accuracy isn’t accuracy, it’s the shootist fallacy or some other fallacy. I feel it’s important to note, because atop all of their other ugliness, these nutters are attempting to assert their paranoia as a substitute for actual research, effort, and rational thought.

understood.

552 biorabbi  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 4:38:50am

Moving scene of police in Boston.

553 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 4:39:00am

re: #544 Vicious Babushka

A campus security officer was shot to death.

Ah, dammit. I know some of those guys. Some of them are really great guys.

The security guard I was really good friends with passed away a few years ago already.

web.mit.edu

But there’s lots of other security guards there like him, none quite as charming, but many who take the time to get to know the students, who don’t treat it as an adversarial relationship.

Goddamn it. And now, as my grandmother used to say, is the time for people to remember only the speculations they engaged in that turned out to be right, and to conveniently forget all they said that was wrong, and to declare themselves prophets and geniuses.

554 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 4:39:23am

re: #550 The Ghost of a Flea

My point being, retroactive accuracy isn’t accuracy, it’s the shootist fallacy or some other fallacy. I feel it’s important to note, because atop all of their other ugliness, these nutters are attempting to assert their paranoia as a substitute for actual research, effort, and rational thought.

They made a wild-assed guess and happened to be partially right.

555 geoffm33  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 4:39:31am

This is crazy. Never been in a locked down area before. Ughhhhh.

556 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 4:41:00am

re: #554 Targetpractice

They made a wild-assed guess and happened to be partially right.

All of the barking after brown people will of course now be swept under the rug.

Drawing the bullseye after emptying the clip.

557 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 4:41:31am

I suppose “catch him so I can go to bed” is not a valid reason for me to be rooting for them to catch him.

558 Dr. Matt  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 4:41:56am

re: #555 geoffm33

This is crazy. Never been in a locked down area before. Ughhhhh.

Brew a pot of coffee, then ignore it and break out the scotch.

559 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 4:42:13am

He’s a terrorist, but a civic-minded terrorist.

pbs.twimg.com

560 geoffm33  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 4:42:31am

re: #558 Dr. Matt

Brew a pot of coffee, then ignore it and break out the scotch.

True that.

561 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 4:43:08am

JHC, I get woke up at 6 by the schools cancelling - too much snow up here in Northern WI, WTF?

I stagger downstairs & get a cuppa and then look at LGF and find out about the Battle of MIT? WTFx4?

I’ve just read the thread and still have no real clue what’s going on. Going to go see if NPR has anything coherent to add to this.

562 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 4:44:14am

Here’s NPR’s addition:

563 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 4:44:46am

re: #559 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

He’s a terrorist, but a civic-minded terrorist.

pbs.twimg.com

How can he be registered to vote if he is not a citizen?

564 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 4:45:31am

re: #558 Dr. Matt

Brew a pot of coffee, then ignore it and break out the scotch.

Just have both, then you can be drunk and wide awake.

565 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 4:45:47am

re: #559 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

He’s a terrorist, but a civic-minded terrorist.

pbs.twimg.com

1993? Fucker’s not even old enough to buy beer!

566 thedopefishlives  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 4:45:54am

Okay, so, since I don’t trust the mainstream outlets anymore thanks to Wednesday’s cock-up, what’s the latest? One suspect is dead, they killed a security guard at MIT, where are we at now?

567 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 4:46:05am

Local NPR radio says that suspect one & two are brothers? Anyone else hear that one?

568 KernelPanic  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 4:46:54am

re: #566 thedopefishlives

front page of boston.com has a decent static and dynamic summary

569 geoffm33  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 4:47:05am

re: #567 William Barnett-Lewis

Local NPR radio says that suspect one & two are brothers? Anyone else hear that one?

That’s what I am hearing as well.

570 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 4:47:10am

re: #567 William Barnett-Lewis

Local NPR radio says that suspect one & two are brothers? Anyone else hear that one?

I heard it on CBS radio.

571 Dr. Matt  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 4:47:19am

re: #566 thedopefishlives

Okay, so, since I don’t trust the mainstream outlets anymore thanks to Wednesday’s cock-up, what’s the latest? One suspect is dead, they killed a security guard at MIT, where are we at now?

Manhunt for suspect 2. Large portions of Boston is on lockdown.

572 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 4:48:22am

Any idea why these guys were still hanging around after the Marathon bombings? Why weren’t they already in Canada?

573 geoffm33  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 4:49:30am

Coffee brewing. Texting neighbor as I am out of milk. Not heading to store. South Boston not on lockdown but with all the sirens I hear, not taking any chances!

574 thedopefishlives  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 4:50:08am

re: #572 Vicious Babushka

Any idea why these guys were still hanging around after the Marathon bombings? Why weren’t they already in Canada?

They stayed behind to watch their own handiwork. My initial guess is pure ego. Perhaps combined with a dash of teh stupid.

575 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 4:50:15am

re: #566 thedopefishlives

Okay, so, since I don’t trust the mainstream outlets anymore thanks to Wednesday’s cock-up, what’s the latest? One suspect is dead, they killed a security guard at MIT, where are we at now?

It goes like this:

In some order, they held up a 7-11, murdered an MIT campus police officer, and carjacked an SUV. Police tracked them using the anti-theft system in the SUV. Shootout in Watertown (?). Suspect 1 (blackhat) died. Reports are he had an explosive strapped to his chest. Suspect 2 (whitehat) is still missing. The search continues, Boston is locked down.

In the meantime, news on their IDs has supposedly broken, although at this point I don’t believe it until the news conference. And maybe another arrest. Who knows anymore?

576 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 4:50:24am

re: #572 Vicious Babushka

Any idea why these guys were still hanging around after the Marathon bombings? Why weren’t they already in Canada?

Because they are not the brightest bulbs in the fixture.

577 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 4:50:26am

re: #572 Vicious Babushka

If this was a spree killing, then this is what they wanted, their epic howling with rage confrontation with the police.

578 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 4:50:34am

re: #567 William Barnett-Lewis

Local NPR radio says that suspect one & two are brothers? Anyone else hear that one?

It just came across the AP. Tamerlan Tsarnaev, 26.

579 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 4:51:22am

re: #574 thedopefishlives

They stayed behind to watch their own handiwork. My initial guess is pure ego. Perhaps combined with a dash of teh stupid.

Not to mention it wasn’t until yesterday that the FBI finally revealed their pictures to the public. Probably didn’t think anybody would look too close at a couple of locals, would tell anybody who asked that they’d been at the marathon but managed to get out without a scratch.

580 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 4:51:40am

re: #577 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

If this was a spree killing, then this is what they wanted, their epic howling with rage confrontation with the police.

So it was not a “jihad” killing at all, it was a “My 15 Minutes” killing.

581 Dr. Matt  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 4:52:19am

Alex Jones is probably suffering from priapism because of the heavy military presence in Boston.

582 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 4:52:43am

Bryan is ululating. He’d get an extra thrill if one or both of the brothers were gay.

583 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 4:53:32am

re: #582 Vicious Babushka

Bryan is ululating. He’d get an extra thrill if one or both of the brothers were gay.

There’s a gulf of difference between being Muslim bombers and blowing up people in the name of Islam, Bryan.

584 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 4:53:57am

There is a new Wanted poster.

585 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 4:54:04am

re: #580 Vicious Babushka

So it was not a “jihad” killing at all, it was a “My 15 Minutes” killing.

Maybe, I don’t now. Maybe this is an absolutely Jihadi thing where two young guys get radicalized and decide to attack the great Christian Satan. Either is possible, but if they are Muslim, for most people, that’ll automatically become the reason and they won’t bother to examine motives any further.

586 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 4:55:40am

presser coming up with Gov. Patrick.

587 thedopefishlives  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 4:56:05am

re: #583 Targetpractice

There’s a gulf of difference between being Muslim bombers and blowing up people in the name of Islam, Bryan.

Yeah, but getting any wingnut to admit that would be beyond impossible. Remember, anything any Muslim does must automatically be guided by Islam or Sharia, they’re incapable of doing anything else.

588 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 4:56:59am

re: #587 thedopefishlives

Yeah, but getting any wingnut to admit that would be beyond impossible. Remember, anything any Muslim does must automatically be guided by Islam or Sharia, they’re incapable of doing anything else.

Wingnuts are still Derping about that Saudi kid.

589 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 4:58:14am

re: #587 thedopefishlives

If they were radical Muslims, then I want to know how they became radicalized. That would be important. And that is only hindered by the idiots who think that radical Islam is some free-floating agent that infects random Muslims and makes them yell “Jihad” and blow shit up. Those who treat all Muslims as equally likely to commit terror make it harder for us to go after the actually radical Muslims.

590 thedopefishlives  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 4:58:20am

re: #588 Vicious Babushka

Wingnuts are still Derping about that Saudi kid.

A few fries short of a Happy Meal, indeed.

591 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 4:58:28am

re: #587 thedopefishlives

Yeah, but getting any wingnut to admit that would be beyond impossible. Remember, anything any Muslim does must automatically be guided by Islam or Sharia, they’re incapable of doing anything else.

People keep pretending that it’s not the case that the vast majority of people hurt by Islamist terrorist organizations are other Muslims that the latter deem too liberal.

592 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 4:59:33am

Pam is back on twitter…sigh

593 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 4:59:36am

It’s like I said yesterday, the way Suspect 2 carried himself, comfortable and loose, made it seem like somebody who either was born in the US or had been here for awhile. The elder brother was the one who looked more uptight, more focused on his goal.

CNN just noted that the elder brother posted on Facebook that he didn’t have a single American friend. My guess is that alienation played a part in the planning behind the bombing.

594 thedopefishlives  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 4:59:59am

re: #589 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Remember, we’re talking about people who think Teh Ghey is a disease or something derpy like that. I don’t expect them to even try to express a desire at understanding radical Islam, only to break out the scales and the ducks.

595 Archangelus  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:00:16am

re: #583 Targetpractice

There’s a gulf of difference between being Muslim bombers and blowing up people in the name of Islam, Bryan.

Pointing out fine details and differences like that is a lost effort on the likes of Fischer… don’t waste your time.

Haven’t seen it elsewhere yet, but national media in Israel is saying that the bombers immigrated to the US a year ago… If true, you can bet that by the end of the day, the entire right wing echo chamber will switch its entire focus of attention from “MUSLIMS!!!!!!!” to “Immmigrants!!!!!!1eleventy”…

596 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:00:54am

re: #591 The Ghost of a Flea

People keep pretending that it’s not the case that the vast majority of people hurt by Islamist terrorist organizations are other Muslims that the latter deem too liberal.

Yeah, nearly all the Muslim terrorists, with the exception of the very small minority of avowedly socialist or ‘Marxist’ (modified, obviously) Muslims, can be classified as ‘right wing’.

And a survey of their attitudes on sex, the role of science in the world, etc. would match up in many places with the GOP.

597 ElCapitanAmerica  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:01:00am

“Tamerlan fled Chechnya with his family because of the conflict in the early 90s, and lived for years in Kazakhstan before getting to the United States as a refugee. “

johanneshirn.photoshelter.com

598 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:01:21am
599 geoffm33  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:01:58am

I take that back, according to Gov Patrick, I am officially on lockdown.

First time I’ve ever had my house alarm on during the day while home.

600 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:04:12am

Hmm.

Originally from Chechnya, but living in the United States since five years, Tamerlan says: “I don’t have a single American friend, I don’t understand them.”

601 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:04:56am
602 geoffm33  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:05:51am

File this under things I never thought I would text:

Don’t forget to call mom and wish her a happy birthday. And check the news, Boston area lockdown, one suspect killed.

He is on the west coast.

603 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:05:57am

The older brother

If he wins enough fights there, Tamerlan says he could be selected for the US Olympic team and be naturalized American. Unless his native Chechnya becomes independent, Tamerlan says he would rather compete for the United States than for Russia.

604 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:06:34am

re: #600 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Hmm.

Feelings of cultural alienation can lead to radicalism, or at least make those affected susceptible to it.

605 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:06:40am

Police shootout at Watertown MA (Raw Footage)

Youtube Video
606 Joanne  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:07:02am

re: #473 Targetpractice

Oh Christ, guess who’s awake?

Didn’t he say they were just patsys (patsies??) just yesterday?

607 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:07:47am

Pressure cookers, Bryan. Pressure cookers.

608 geoffm33  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:08:52am

re: #607 Vicious Babushka

Pressure cookers, Bryan. Pressure cookers.

Am I missing something? Was there a firearm ban imposed recently that I wasn’t notified about?

609 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:09:18am

re: #604 Dr Lizardo

Feelings of cultural alienation can lead to radicalism, or at least make those affected susceptible to it.

True, but it’s hard to tell whether one or both became radicals, or whether there was something personal to this. Could just as well be the elder brother was pissed at not getting chosen for the Olympic team, perhaps afraid of being deported, and lashed out.

610 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:09:39am

re: #607 Vicious Babushka

Pressure cookers, Bryan. Pressure cookers.

A properly trained concealed handgun license holder could shoot the shrapnel out of the air, just like the Lone Ranger.

611 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:09:47am

re: #607 Vicious Babushka

Pressure cookers, Bryan. Pressure cookers.

Seriously, how does this man dress in the morning without causing grave injury to himself?

612 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:10:08am

re: #608 geoffm33

Am I missing something? Was there a firearm ban imposed recently that I wasn’t notified about?

I guess he thinks that citizens of Boston are all liberal wussies who are afeared of guns n shit.

613 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:10:31am

re: #589 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

re: #593 Targetpractice

Islamists look for people with holes in their lives and recruit them. Radicalism is an excellent opiate for the pain and uncertainty. Stoke a person with entitlement and anger and you can get them to do anything.

There’s more convergence between the 20-something American spree killer and a jihadist than we’d like to admit.

614 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:11:51am

re: #609 Targetpractice

True, but it’s hard to tell whether one or both became radicals, or whether there was something personal to this. Could just as well be the elder brother was pissed at not getting chosen for the Olympic team, perhaps afraid of being deported, and lashed out.

Could be. Unfortunately, he’s dead, so we can’t ask him. I’m hoping the younger brother is taken alive so that he can provide some insight. I’m also hoping that once things chill down a tad, the authorities are thinking of planning some additional security for mosques/Islamic centers, because I’ve got a feeling that a lynch-mob mentality is being stirred up.

615 geoffm33  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:11:56am

re: #612 Vicious Babushka

I guess he thinks that citizens of Boston are all liberal wussies who are afeared of guns n shit.

Ahhhh….we import our illegal guns from NH, VT, ME.

616 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:12:07am

re: #612 Vicious Babushka

From what I have seen, Boston is made of tougher stuff than the South.

Boston seems to be fairly calm. Any Southern Town or City would be in a state of panic.

617 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:12:10am

Lethal weapons in my kitchen:

1. Pressure cooker
2. Wusthof knife set
3. Marble rolling pin
4. Boiling chicken soup

618 Tigger2  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:13:22am

re: #607 Vicious Babushka

Pressure cookers, Bryan. Pressure cookers.

They probably do Bryan.

619 simoom  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:13:34am

It will be interesting when we find out who/where the brothers purchased their rifles from. I have to admit I have no idea what sort of regulations apply to legal permanent residents and firearm transfer & ownership.

620 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:13:39am

re: #617 Vicious Babushka

Lethal weapons in my kitchen:

1. Pressure cooker
2. Wusthof knife set
3. Marble rolling pin
4. Boiling chicken soup

Do you have a license for that chicken soup?

621 geoffm33  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:13:52am

re: #617 Vicious Babushka

Lethal weapons in my kitchen:

1. Pressure cooker
2. Wusthof knife set
3. Marble rolling pin
4. Boiling chicken soup

Lethal weapons in my home:

1) My neighbor Anne

622 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:13:56am

re: #613 The Ghost of a Flea

re: #593 Targetpractice

Islamists look for people with holes in their lives and recruit them. Radicalism is an excellent opiate for the pain and uncertainty. Stoke a person with entitlement and anger and you can get them to do anything.

There’s more convergence between the 20-something American spree killer and a jihadist than we’d like to admit.

I had an Islamist try to recruit me. What this fool didn’t count on is that I promptly told my Sheikh about him, and the Sheikh called the police. This recruiter was placed under police surveillance and arrested shortly thereafter. This was in Berlin.

623 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:14:29am

re: #612 Vicious Babushka

I guess he thinks that citizens of Boston are all liberal wussies who are afeared of guns n shit.

It would be way better if they all had guns.

To shoot at the gun who may have a bomb strapped to him, like his co-conspirator.

624 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:16:16am

On his FB page gives his “worldview” as Islam, but his “personal priority” as Career & Money.

625 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:17:50am

re: #619 simoom

It will be interesting when we find out who/where the brothers purchased their rifles from. I have to admit I have no idea what sort of regulations apply to legal permanent residents and firearm transfer & ownership.

The local gunstore could legally sell to legal residents.

from the ATF:

An alien legally in the U.S. may acquire firearms if he has a State of residence. An alien has a State of residence only if he is residing in that State and has resided in a State continuously for at least 90 days prior to the purchase. An alien acquiring firearms from a licensee is required to prove both his identity, by presenting a government-issued photo identification, and his residency with substantiating documentation showing that he has resided in the State continuously for the 90-day period prior to the purchase. Examples of qualifying documentation to prove residency include: utility bills, lease agreements, credit card statements, and pay stubs from the purchaser’s place of employment, if such documents include residential addresses.
See also Item 5, “Sales to Aliens in the United States,” in the General Information section of this publication.
[18 U.S.C. 921, 922(b)(3), (d) and (g), 27 CFR 478.11 and 478.99(a)]

atf.gov

626 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:18:21am

re: #624 Vicious Babushka

On his FB page gives his “worldview” as Islam, but his “personal priority” as Career & Money.

ZOMG! TEH JEHADISTZ LUV ATLAS SHRUGGED!!1!

627 simoom  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:18:30am
“Tamerlan stops to answer a phone call while walking from his Mercedes to the Wai Kru Mixed Martial Arts center, where he practices boxing.”

Image: DuGV9RE.jpg

628 Joanne  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:18:40am

re: #572 Vicious Babushka

Any idea why these guys were still hanging around after the Marathon bombings? Why weren’t they already in Canada?

Because they are psychopaths? Look at the expression on white hat as he walked away from the mayhem he created. Didn’t cover his face. He either thought he was invincible and smarter than everyone else or he just didn’t give a fuck.

629 Dr. Matt  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:19:31am

Teabag logic: The suspects immigrated to America under dubyah’s watch We can blame him…..right!?

630 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:20:12am
631 thedopefishlives  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:20:29am

re: #630 Vicious Babushka

And the feeding frenzy begins.

632 aagcobb  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:20:32am

re: #622 Dr Lizardo

I had an Islamist try to recruit me. What this fool didn’t count on is that I promptly told my Sheikh about him, and the Sheikh called the police. This recruiter was placed under police surveillance and arrested shortly thereafter. This was in Berlin.

Excellent!

633 BongCrodny  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:21:22am

re: #607 Vicious Babushka

Pressure cookers, Bryan. Pressure cookers.

I’m going to have to put “Bryan, go fuck yourself” on a macro.

crime.about.com

Assuming this is accurate — it appears to be from the NRA — there seems to be nothing here that would indicate that people in Boston or Massachusetts can’t own guns.

634 simoom  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:21:27am

re: #630 Vicious Babushka

I see Ben Smith still has a nose for Drudge-bait.

635 aagcobb  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:21:49am

re: #631 thedopefishlives

And the feeding frenzy begins.

One can only imagine the drunken, incoherent screeds Geller will post today.

636 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:21:52am

re: #628 Joanne

Because they are psychopaths? Look at the expression on white hat as he walked away from the mayhem he created. Didn’t cover his face. He either thought he was invincible and smarter than everyone else or he just didn’t give a fuck.

My very preliminary impressions are that the older brother may have believed in the cause and the younger brother was just in it for the LULZ.

637 geoffm33  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:21:53am

Public transportation shutdown has been extended to cab service. FULL. LOCK. DOWN.

638 thedopefishlives  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:22:43am

re: #635 aagcobb

One can only imagine the drunken, incoherent screeds Geller will post today.

Should be good for some laughs.

639 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:22:52am

re: #632 aagcobb

Excellent!

When I joined them (they’re Sufis, like myself) the Sheikh explicitly told me, in front of the congregation, that if anyone seemed “peculiar” or acted in a suspicious manner that gave me a bad feeling, I was to notify him immediately and he would call the authorities. Which he did.

So good on him.

640 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:23:00am

Scanner just reiterated the belief that he’s wearing a suicide vest and to use extreme caution when approaching.

641 geoffm33  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:23:22am
642 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:23:43am
643 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:25:10am

re: #641 geoffm33

They’ll ignore the “white” part and focus on the “Muslim” part.

Completely ignoring the fact that there are, indeed, “white” Muslims. At the Rabbaniyah Center I attended, a little over 50% of the congregation were ethnic German converts to Islam.

644 aagcobb  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:25:22am

re: #641 geoffm33

Focus on them being muslim.

645 geoffm33  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:26:06am
646 danarchy  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:26:38am

Fox25 interviewing their uncle. Apparently their father and mother moved back to russia last year. Have two sisters ages between the two brothers like 22 and 24.

647 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:26:43am

Do you guys think these guys worked alone or are there others connected to these terrorists?

648 Inner Partisan  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:26:46am

re: #629 Dr. Matt

Teabag logic: The suspects immigrated to America under dubyah’s watch We can blame him…..right!?

Thanks, Obama!

649 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:26:51am

re: #639 Dr Lizardo

There’s a rather interesting Mosque in Denver.

650 geoffm33  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:27:00am

re: #645 geoffm33

651 Buck  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:27:39am

re: #641 geoffm33

Somehow I remember it was CNN who seemed to be about skin colour. But the irony of generalizing about generalizations is funny.

652 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:28:17am

re: #649 ProBosniaLiberal

A generalized mosque or specific to some branch, like Sufi, Ammadiyyah, etc?

653 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:29:34am

re: #635 aagcobb

One can only imagine the drunken, incoherent screeds Geller will post today.

She’s already started

654 geoffm33  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:29:58am
655 Decatur Deb  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:30:15am

‘Morning, all. Slow news day?

656 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:30:18am

re: #653 Backwoods_Sleuth

She’s already started

She never actually stopped.

657 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:30:20am

re: #652 Dr Lizardo

No, as in one I am a little wary of.

Sign outside said something along the lines of “Women are not allowed to dress like men.” as well as heavily encouraging/requiring the niqab. Never seen that before.

In fact, I need pointers on finding a mosque. Colorado seems to be the land of religious fruit-loops.

658 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:30:27am

re: #654 geoffm33

CUE THE TINFOIL.

659 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:31:06am

re: #636 klys

My very preliminary impressions are that the older brother may have believed in the cause and the younger brother was just in it for the LULZ.

Tamerlan says he doesn’t drink or smoke anymore: “God said no alcohol.” A muslim, he says: “There are no values anymore,” and worries that “people can’t control themselves.”

Think you may be right. Or at least not far off the mark.

660 Dr. Matt  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:31:18am

Is it too soon to predict who will play the suspects in the made for television movie?

661 Inner Partisan  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:31:42am

re: #647 NJDhockeyfan

Do you guys think these guys worked alone or are there others connected to these terrorists?

Speculation, etc., but: It sure looks like they acted alone. If they’d been part of a cell or larger group, they wouldn’t have to have relied on a puny, home-made black powder explosive.
Let’s just wait and see if anything about their actual motivations comes to light. As of now, there’s no evidence that their (supposed) religion had anything to do with it.

662 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:32:02am
663 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:32:08am

re: #655 Decatur Deb

‘Morning, all. Slow news day?

Assuming you are serious and not sarcastic, no.

664 geoffm33  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:32:12am

WBUR/NPR is about to go on air with a young man that is very knowledgeable about suspect #2

665 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:32:20am

re: #657 ProBosniaLiberal

No, as in one I am a little wary of.

Sign outside said something along the lines of “Women are not allowed to dress like men.” as well as heavily encouraging/requiring the niqab. Never seen that before.

In fact, I need pointers on finding a mosque. Colorado seems to be the land of religious fruit-loops.

I work in Dearborn, and I like to do my shopping here. I see women in hijab all the time but it is very rare to see one in niqab.

666 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:32:30am

re: #651 Buck

Somehow I remember it was CNN who seemed to be about skin colour. But the irony of generalizing about generalizations is funny.

You understand that “Fox” is not a general category, right?

667 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:32:34am

re: #657 ProBosniaLiberal

Ah. Could simply be a very traditional congregation. However, I’m wary of places like that.

I was in one mosque one time in Berlin, not my usual one, and there were some guys in there that my skin crawl. Never went back - just did my prayers and got the hell out of there.

668 Big Steve  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:33:11am

re: #660 Dr. Matt

Is it too soon to predict who will play the suspects in the made for television movie?

Justin Beiber for the young one.

669 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:33:14am

re: #663 klys

If I misinterpreted, maybe it means I should actually go to bed.

670 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:33:18am

re: #665 Vicious Babushka

Exactly.

New MSA Prez at OU is a non-Hijabi female.

671 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:33:56am

re: #668 Big Steve

Though, with his weird faith issues, he’s more a fit with the first.

672 geoffm33  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:34:44am

WBUR/NPR: Guest is nephew of Robin ? (host on BUR). He was classmate of Dzhokhar. She hosted a prom party and he was there.

673 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:35:13am

A lot of activity on the scanner right now.

674 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:35:17am

re: #583 Targetpractice

There’s a gulf of difference between being Muslim bombers and blowing up people in the name of Islam, Bryan.

Not to him.

675 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:35:29am

Shit happening at a house right now in Watertown.

676 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:36:06am

re: #665 Vicious Babushka

I work in Dearborn, and I like to do my shopping here. I see women in hijab all the time but it is very rare to see one in niqab.

Once saw a woman in full niqab entering the subway in Berlin - the hijab girls, and there’s plenty of them in Berlin - looked alarmed when they saw her. One of the hijab girls who knew me commented, “Oh my God, it’s one of those crazy converts most likely; they spend their days trying to out-Muslim each other.”

677 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:37:02am

I hear gunfire and explosions going off. Holy shit.

678 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:37:17am

re: #676 Dr Lizardo

Once saw a woman in full niqab entering the subway in Berlin - the hijab girls, and there’s plenty of them in Berlin - looked alarmed when they saw her. One of the hijab girls who knew me commented, “Oh my God, it’s one of those crazy converts most likely; they spend their days trying to out-Muslim each other.”

There is a cult of Jewish women in Israel who have adopted the most extreme form of the burqa. They are regarded as a pack of nut jobs even by the Haredi Jews.

679 Dr. Matt  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:37:25am

re: #654 geoffm33

@davidwade
Uncle of suspects tells WBZ: They’ve been here since 2001.

Interesting. Things that happened in 2001: 9/11, anthrax attacks, these bozos immigrated to America.

680 Decatur Deb  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:37:31am

re: #663 klys

Assuming you are serious and not sarcastic, no.

Been reading the thread for the last hour—one for the archives.
Time to repeat my favorite Amish joke:

Father and son are returning from a barnraising at a distant community.

Father: “What is that on the hill?”
Son: “A red barn of course, Father, why do you ask?”
Father: “No, Son. “It’s a barn that is red on this side.”

Good approach to the news.

681 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:37:32am

It sounds like they have someone cornered.

682 Inner Partisan  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:38:33am

re: #676 Dr Lizardo

Well, I guess the old adage holds true: From non-smokers to religious fundamentalists - recent converts are always the most zealous.

683 geoffm33  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:38:43am

re: #677 NJDhockeyfan

I hear gunfire and explosions going off. Holy shit.

Live feed? I don’t want to put the TV on, kids in the house.

684 ReamWorks SKG  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:38:52am

VPN’d in again!

I _knew_ they looked Chechen!

//

685 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:38:59am

A woman was just brought out of the house.

686 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:39:37am

re: #679 Dr. Matt

Interesting. Things that happened in 2001: 9/11, anthrax attacks, these bozos immigrated to America.

Land in America as a kid, a Muslim kid, at the height of the Islamophobia wave that swept over this nation and has never really gone away. Grow up finding yourself alienated by your rather traditional views in a nation that thinks that you’re nuts if you feel drinking alcohol to be sinful. Beginning to see a pattern here.

687 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:39:41am

re: #678 Vicious Babushka

I believe I may have read about them. As you said, they’re viewed as loons by virtually everyone, even Haredi.

688 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:39:51am

re: #683 geoffm33

Live feed? I don’t want to put the TV on, kids in the house.

Fox News has a camera right there at the house.

689 Dr. Matt  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:39:51am

Hopefully suspect #2 finds a lonely basement to crawl into and swallows a bullet.

690 geoffm33  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:40:30am

re: #688 NJDhockeyfan

Fox News has a camera right there at the house.

Thanks!

691 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:40:33am

re: #689 Dr. Matt

Hopefully suspect #2 finds a lonely basement to crawl into and swallows a bullet.

I hope they get him alive. A lot of questions need to be answered.

692 Buck  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:40:50am

re: #666 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

You understand that “Fox” is not a general category, right?

As usual you like to be literal when it suits you.

The tweet was clearly generalizing about conservatives.

693 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:40:50am

re: #689 Dr. Matt

Hopefully suspect #2 finds a lonely basement to crawl into and swallows a bullet.

I am sure he wants to go down in flames.

694 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:41:01am

The scanner has them bitching about the media members.

695 sugikoi  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:41:10am

re: #686 Targetpractice

Land in America as a kid, a Muslim kid, at the height of the Islamophobia wave that swept over this nation and has never really gone away. Grow up finding yourself alienated by your rather traditional views in a nation that thinks that you’re nuts if you feel drinking alcohol to be sinful. Beginning to see a pattern here.

I don’t know the vast, vast majority of immigrant Muslim kids cope with it and grow up as far from this kind of thing as any other group.

696 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:41:11am
697 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:42:33am

Calling for a ram.

698 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:42:33am

This is unreal to watch. I’ve never seen anything like it.

699 Randall Gross  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:43:18am

Live stream from MSNBC
wwhdtv.com

Police working two locations

700 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:43:37am

re: #692 Buck

As usual you like to be literal when it suits you.

The tweet was clearly generalizing about conservatives.

Really?

This tweet:

About Fox News, was clearly generalizing about conservatives?

Can you explain the logic behind that one?

701 AlexRogan  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:43:46am

re: #694 klys

The scanner has them bitching about the media members.

I’m listening to the scanner though the Scanner Radio app on my phone…over 50000 listeners on the Boston PD channel, the most I’ve ever seen on any channel I’ve listened to on it.

702 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:44:44am

re: #696 Vicious Babushka

My wife is listening to the police scanner, and they’re clearing a lot of houses. I’ve got to say, the police sound really disciplined and calm and unlikely to start shooting civilians. Boston PD earning a lot of respect from me from the thorough but cautious way they’re approaching this so far.

703 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:44:44am

re: #701 AlexRogan

I’m listening to the scanner though the Scanner Radio app on my phone…over 50000 listeners on that one channel, the most I’ve ever seen.

It was over 80,000 earlier tonight. Exploded after the officer down call went out.

704 Dr. Matt  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:44:59am

CNN and Fox have live feeds of the surrounded House. Mika is doing a theatrical impression

705 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:45:02am

re: #700 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Never mind that there will be an anti-Muslim Backlash now.

Damn it.

706 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:45:34am

re: #702 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

BTW thank you for alerting me to @weeddude, his Breaking News feed is awesome!

707 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:46:34am
Some type of rocket or something in the basement, we need EOD here.
708 thedopefishlives  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:46:34am

re: #702 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

My wife is listening to the police scanner, and they’re clearing a lot of houses. I’ve got to say, the police sound really disciplined and calm and unlikely to start shooting civilians. Boston PD earning a lot of respect from me from the thorough but cautious way they’re approaching this so far.

So the complete opposite of the LAPD, then?

709 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:46:46am

re: #706 Vicious Babushka

BTW thank you for alerting me to @weeddude, his Breaking News feed is awesome!

No problem, I’ll tell him you enjoy his work. I do find it ironic that the media figure I probably trust most is an enormous pothead. He has interesting brain chemistry. I’ve never seen him be unable to recall anything, even when stoned to the gills. Very interesting guy.

710 Sionainn  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:47:16am

re: #705 ProBosniaLiberal

Never mind that there will be an anti-Muslim Backlash now.

Damn it.

Do we know that they are in fact Muslim? Just because they are Chechnyan doesn’t necessarily equal Muslim.

711 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:47:18am

re: #708 thedopefishlives

So the complete opposite of the LAPD, then?

You just made me LOL despite this grim situation.

712 Mentis Fugit  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:47:57am

re: #611 Dr Lizardo

Seriously, how does this man dress in the morning without causing grave injury to himself?

There’s every indication he’s tying his tie too tight and affecting the flow of blood to his brain. Still, I guess he has to, or the foreskin rolls up his neck.

713 thedopefishlives  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:48:05am

re: #711 Dr Lizardo

You just made me LOL despite this grim situation.

My job here is done.

714 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:48:12am

re: #710 Sionainn

Yes, we do.

715 geoffm33  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:48:22am

Logan Airport is open, but temporary airspace restriction over Watertown

716 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:48:36am

re: #710 Sionainn

Do we know that they are in fact Muslim? Just because they are Chechnyan doesn’t necessarily equal Muslim.

Quote in the slideshow linked earlier for black hat, profile on VK (Russian Facebook?) for white hat.

717 sugikoi  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:49:01am

re: #710 Sionainn

Do we know that they are in fact Muslim? Just because they are Chechnyan doesn’t necessarily equal Muslim.

One brother is named after a great Muslim general and the other has “Islam” as his worldview on one of his social media pages.

718 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:49:03am

re: #710 Sionainn

Do we know that they are in fact Muslim? Just because they are Chechnyan doesn’t necessarily equal Muslim.

Their internet footprint suggests they are Sunni Muslims.

719 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:49:37am

re: #713 thedopefishlives

My job here is done.

And a job well done.

Some wag posted “If this were the LAPD, they would’ve shot seven out of the two suspects.”

720 thedopefishlives  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:50:05am

re: #719 Dr Lizardo

And a job well done.

Some wag posted “If this were the LAPD, they would’ve shot seven out of the two suspects.”

That one has me laughing, now. I like that.

721 Mattand  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:50:11am

re: #651 Buck

Somehow I remember it was CNN who seemed to be about skin colour. But the irony of generalizing about generalizations is funny.

Oh, goody. Look who’s here…

722 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:50:48am

re: #710 Sionainn

Do we know that they are in fact Muslim? Just because they are Chechnyan doesn’t necessarily equal Muslim.

Look at their Facebook page. I don’t have a link.

723 Decatur Deb  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:51:31am

Dogwalk. Be back for the post-mortem.

724 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:51:36am

Oh look, it’s starting to get light out. Bother.

725 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:52:49am

re: #717 sugikoi

One brother is named after a great Muslim general and the other has “Islam” as his worldview on one of his social media pages.

You’re generally correct, but the name Tamerlan isn’t indicative of anything telling. Timur and Tamerlan are used by Central Asians that aren’t Muslims.

726 Kronocide  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:52:51am

There’s been an anti-Muslim backlash for years, in fact it’s turned into an industry. The client base for that industry are those most worried about a backlash against conservatism, conservatives themselves.

An ideological embrace, American conservatism and fundamentalist Islam. They thrive on each other, need each other. Fueled by hate.

Now, more gas to the fire.

727 Dr. Matt  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:54:35am

re: #717 sugikoi

One brother is named after a great Muslim general and the other has “Islam” as his worldview on one of his social media pages.

BFD. Derp Fail, fucktard. My name appears as the first book in the New Testament.

728 Inner Partisan  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:55:06am

One thing is certain: No matter his motivation, he’s won.

The insane amount of media attention, the manhunt live on TV? That’s more than this guy could ever have hoped for.

729 S'latch  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:55:37am

So, apparently the bombers were foreign terrorists and apparently Muslim foreign terrorists. Just what some people were looking for. Get ready for the megaphones.

730 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:55:46am

re: #692 Buck

Here’s something that isn’t a generalization: you are a waste of space and atmosphere who no longer contributes anything of value to this community. That has nothing to do with you being a conservative and everything to do with you being a dickhead.

731 sugikoi  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:55:59am

re: #727 Dr. Matt

BFD. Derp Fail, fucktard. My name appears as the first book in the New Testament.

Except they are indeed Muslim.

732 Dr. Matt  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:56:20am

re: #695 sugikoi

I don’t know the vast, vast majority of immigrant Muslim kids cope with it and grow up as far from this kind of thing as any other group.

You speak for the vast majority of immigrant Muslim kids? Derp fail x2. You’re on a roll.

733 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:56:31am

re: #731 sugikoi

And now people like you will use it to persecute us.

Go away.

734 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:56:33am

re: #729 S’latch

So, apparently the bombers were foreign terrorists and apparently Muslim foreign terrorists. Just what some people were looking for. Get ready for the megaphones.

Get ready for the social media-driven lynch mob.

FTFY.

735 Dr. Matt  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:56:53am

re: #731 sugikoi

Except they are indeed Muslim.

Derp fail x3

Are you pretending to be a retard??

736 sugikoi  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:57:24am

re: #733 ProBosniaLiberal

And now people like you will use it to persecute us.

Go away.

People like me? What?

737 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:57:35am

re: #708 thedopefishlives

So the complete opposite of the LAPD, then?

The LAPD would do well to hire some trainers from Boston.

738 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:57:48am
739 sugikoi  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:57:59am

re: #732 Dr. Matt

You speak for the vast majority of immigrant Muslim kids? Derp fail x2. You’re on a roll.

I speak for people who know that the vast majority of immigrant MUslim kids grow up as law abiding well adjusted members of society. You disagree?

740 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:58:23am

re: #735 Dr. Matt


Hey now, shit is flying around like crazy, everyone’s on edge, let’s try to give people the benefit of the doubt. I think you might be misinterpreting him.

741 A Mom Anon  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:58:28am

re: #616 ProBosniaLiberal

Have you ever been to the South? Seriously?

742 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:58:54am

re: #732 Dr. Matt

They cope quite well. I met many of them at OU. They are just like the rest of Americans. They just don’t drink, eat pork, and dress a bit more conservatively.

743 AlexRogan  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:59:10am

re: #703 klys

It was over 80,000 earlier tonight. Exploded after the officer down call went out.

Broadcastify shit the bed just a few minutes ago, showing over 90000 listeners on the Boston PD channel; it cut me off and I can’t connect back.

744 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 5:59:28am

Later folks. Time for second cup of coffee and the morning conference call.

Think twice, post once.

745 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:00:12am
He is boasting online I will kill all of you like you killed my brother.

From scanner, I have no source.

746 thedopefishlives  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:00:48am

If you think you may be too emotionally involved to post, you are too emotionally involved to post. Take a few deep breaths and hit Ctrl+A, Backspace a few times before you hit that button.

747 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:00:55am

re: #745 klys

From scanner, I have no source.

Source: Princess Bride

748 Sionainn  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:00:58am

re: #714 ProBosniaLiberal

Yes, we do.

Okay, thanks. I’m coming late into this. I hate that Muslim friends will get backlash for this.

749 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:01:22am

Interesting. Running Firefox on Win 7 Pro; and posting a comment is throwing me back a couple of hundred comments in the thread. Somewhat similar to how clicking photo links was acting a few weeks ago.

750 sugikoi  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:01:42am

re: #742 ProBosniaLiberal

They cope quite well. I met many of them at OU. They are just like the rest of Americans. They just don’t drink, eat pork, and dress a bit more conservatively.

Yes, this was my point so why are you implying I am an anti-Muslim bigot? I find that offensive.

751 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:01:42am

re: #741 A Mom Anon

Yes, I was in Oklahoma. In addition, I was among Southern Baptists for a time. I found that they tended to believe some of the most ludicrous things possible, and could be driven to defensiveness and hysteria in a heartbeat.

I’m hoping the backlash is minimal. But I know it won’t. Especially down there.

752 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:02:18am

re: #739 sugikoi

I speak for people who know that the vast majority of immigrant MUslim kids grow up as law abiding well adjusted members of society. You disagree?

I interpreted as what you said being glad that Muslim immigrant kids, often subject to alienation and group blame in the US, don’t wind up bitter and reacting to that, but instead have forbearance, endure the alienation, and grow up to be just like everybody else.

Which I agree with. It is very easy for the alienated to radicalize, and we have very, very few american Muslims who do become radicals. I think this reflects the fact that most immigrants to the US understand that while our society is imperfect, to say the least, they wouldn’t have come here without sharing our democratic ideals.

753 Kronocide  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:02:34am

Whining about generalization of conservatives is the height of douchery, being that conservatism is based on broad generalizations of poor people, guns, liberals, generally other generalizations.

Its a philosophy based on memes.

754 geoffm33  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:02:36am

Holy fuckers:

755 RogueOne  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:02:38am

Hello all.

756 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:04:39am

Posting online where?

757 Kronocide  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:04:43am

Generally speaking, of course.

758 SpaceJesus  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:04:45am

please catch him alive

759 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:04:46am

re: #754 geoffm33

Or someone in Anon hacked his account and is posting.

I just want nobody else to die from this today. Let it end.

760 S'latch  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:05:11am

They should have this guy dead or in custody by lunchtime if this is true.

761 sugikoi  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:05:20am

re: #752 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

I interpreted as what you said being glad that Muslim immigrant kids, often subject to alienation and group blame in the US, don’t wind up bitter and reacting to that, but instead have forbearance, endure the alienation, and grow up to be just like everybody else.

Which I agree with. It is very easy for the alienated to radicalize, and we have very, very few american Muslims who do become radicals. I think this reflects the fact that most immigrants to the US understand that while our society is imperfect, to say the least, they wouldn’t have come here without sharing our democratic ideals.

Yes. I think from the Pew survey and Zogby that currently the Muslim community faces the most bigotry of any predominantly immigrant group (though the American Muslim community also draws heavily from African American converts). I rejected the implication that the vast, vast majority are anything but productive members of society who face this prejudice with dignity and that it in no way moves them towards the kind of horrific acts we saw in Boston.

So, not sure how that makes me either a “fucktard” or an Islamophobe.

762 Randall Gross  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:05:50am

Tribal nationalism is as much responsible for Chechen separatism as Islamism is, the fight’s been going on hot and cold in that region since Napoleonic times.

763 RogueOne  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:06:11am
764 geoffm33  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:06:11am
765 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:06:27am
766 RogueOne  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:06:56am

re: #764 geoffm33

Quit copying me, you’re freaking me out!/

767 geoffm33  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:07:29am

re: #766 RogueOne

LOL, jinx!

768 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:08:06am

re: #756 Vicious Babushka

Posting online where?

Here maybe?


Djohar Tsarnaev’s social network page:

m.vk.com

769 S'latch  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:08:26am

What do Chechen separatists have against the U.S.A.? Isn’t their fight with Russia?

770 Dr. Matt  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:09:07am
771 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:09:49am

re: #762 Randall Gross

The fight wouldn’t be as vicious if it weren’t for Russian Mistreatment or persecution.

Such as the aggressive pushes for conversion by the Russian Orthodox Church, the purges of the Circassians in the 1840s-1870s, the deportations under Stalin, and generally Anti-Muslim mood in Russia that has been there for a long time.

772 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:10:23am

re: #769 S’latch

What do Chechen separatists have against the U.S.A.? Isn’t their fight with Russia?

Logically, yes. However, I think it’s quite fair to say these two are as far from logical as anyone can get. They’ve gone full batshit.

773 S'latch  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:10:44am

re: #770 Dr. Matt

That’s a twist.

774 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:10:52am

re: #771 ProBosniaLiberal

The fight wouldn’t be as vicious if it weren’t for Russian Mistreatment or persecution.

Such as the aggressive pushes for conversion by the Russian Orthodox Church, the purges of the Circassians in the 1840s-1870s, the deportations under Stalin, and generally Anti-Muslim mood in Russia that has been there for a long time.

More recently: Putin’s killing of 50,000 Chechens

775 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:10:56am

re: #770 Dr. Matt

Please note:

littlegreenfootballs.com

776 Randall Gross  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:10:57am

re: #771 ProBosniaLiberal

The fight wouldn’t be as vicious if it weren’t for Russian Mistreatment or persecution.

Such as the aggressive pushes for conversion by the Russian Orthodox Church, the purges of the Circassians in the 1840s-1870s, the deportations under Stalin, and generally Anti-Muslim mood in Russia that has been there for a long time.

Yeah that whole exile thing was as bad as the trail of tears or worse.

777 RogueOne  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:11:10am

re: #770 Dr. Matt

He has a weird definition of “angel”

778 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:11:18am

re: #770 Dr. Matt

When did true angels start bombing people?

779 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:12:09am

re: #777 RogueOne

He has a weird definition of “angel”

Angel as in Lucifer or the Malach Ha-mavet (Angel of Death).

780 BongCrodny  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:12:25am

I’d really like to see him taken alive.

It looks like he wants to be a martyr.

I still think it’s a more fitting punishment if he spends the next 60 or so years in a 6’ by 8’ box.

781 geoffm33  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:12:28am

re: #778 NJDhockeyfan

When did true angels start bombing people?

No true Scotsman angel

782 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:12:48am

re: #774 Vicious Babushka

Now this I wasn’t aware of. Details?

783 S'latch  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:13:03am

re: #770 Dr. Matt

re: #778 NJDhockeyfan

Youtube Video
784 sugikoi  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:13:11am

re: #775 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Please note:

littlegreenfootballs.com

Thanks. Anyway. Let’s all take a deep breath. My sympathy is first with the victims but also of course with what everyday people who happen to be Muslim go through with the gaze of suspicion.

785 RogueOne  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:13:13am

re: #779 Vicious Babushka

I’ll be in Detroit next week. What are the chances I can try that weaponized chicken soup?

786 theheat  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:13:27am

re: #770 Dr. Matt

Wonder if he means the dead one supposedly wearing an IED vest. Odd dress code for an angel. And since when did angels have shootouts with police?

787 thedopefishlives  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:14:16am

re: #780 BongCrodny

I’d really like to see him taken alive.

It looks like he wants to be a martyr.

I still think it’s a more fitting punishment if he spends the next 60 or so years in a 6’ by 8’ box.

For some odd reason, the quote from Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade popped into my head: “My soul is prepared, Dr. Jones. How’s yours?”

788 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:14:37am

re: #786 theheat

Wonder if he means the dead one supposedly wearing an IED vest. Odd dress code for an angel. And since when did angels have shootouts with police?

More likely the younger one, since his brother is listed elsewhere as an engineering student.

789 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:14:39am

re: #782 ProBosniaLiberal

Now this I wasn’t aware of. Details?

Second Chechnya War.

790 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:16:18am

re: #777 RogueOne

He has a weird definition of “angel”

Shrug. A child will always be an angel to his parent. No matter what the child does.

791 A Mom Anon  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:17:48am

re: #751 ProBosniaLiberal

OK is not the entire South though. There are a lot of liberals here in the South too, and while I cannot speak for all of us, I can say I get VERY tired of all this talk of writing off the entire area and to hell with us because we have a fair share of retrograde backwardass country fuckwads who consistently vote against their own best interests and don’t care who they hurt. This is where I’ve lived for over half my life and I’m a liberal. Before writing us all off down here, it might be prudent to remember that there’s a decent percentage of us who are liberal and trying to fight to make things better. If you’re on”my side” politically, it might be a good idea to take that into account. Just sayin’…..

792 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:19:24am

re: #791 A Mom Anon

Talking about ‘the South’ and ‘Southerners’ in the way PBL did also is kind of implicitly racist, because it implies black people aren’t really Southerners.

793 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:19:41am

Scanner cut out on me. Taking that as sign for bed. G’night all.

794 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:21:17am

re: #791 A Mom Anon

Oh, I realize portions of the south are de-southernizing. In the end, in terms of cultural adaptability, the North can flex and absorb others.

Simply put, the South cannot. There is no such thing as a Hispanic or Muslim Redneck, for lack of a better way to term it.

795 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:22:37am

re: #792 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Jim Crow complicates things here though. Jim Crow essentially created two Souths.

796 Dr. Matt  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:22:39am

re: #777 RogueOne

He has a weird definition of “angel”

Isn’t Satan a “fallen angel”?

797 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:22:47am

WTF

798 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:22:56am

re: #794 ProBosniaLiberal

Simply put, the South cannot. There is no such thing as a Hispanic or Muslim Redneck, for lack of a better way to term it.

Yes, there are. Why on earth do you think there aren’t?

799 Kronocide  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:23:19am

re: #784 sugikoi

Thanks. Anyway. Let’s all take a deep breath. My sympathy is first with the victims but also of course with what everyday people who happen to be Muslim go through with the gaze of suspicion.

It would be nice if, as a society, we could understand and empathize with the young men who felt the need to make bombs and kill people but still hold them accountable for their horrific crimes. At the same time, empathize and care for the victims physically and psychologically maimed.

I hope they capture the last suspect alive. The trial will be painful for all but we need to confront the cycle of hate.

800 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:23:42am

re: #796 Dr. Matt

Hey, are you going to acknowledge this?

littlegreenfootballs.com

801 Dr. Matt  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:24:21am

re: #786 theheat

Wonder if he means the dead one supposedly wearing an IED vest. Odd dress code for an angel. And since when did angels have shootouts with police?

The one that is still alive is 19, so he couldn’t be a “medical student” (could be premed).

802 Lidane  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:24:58am
803 Sionainn  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:25:29am

re: #768 NJDhockeyfan

Here maybe?

Djohar Tsarnaev’s social network page:

m.vk.com

I didn’t need to see that. Commenters are posting really vile things to him. Bleh.

804 Lidane  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:25:40am
805 RogueOne  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:27:48am

re: #797 Vicious Babushka

Was just wondering about that story. Why were they pulled over? Were they people they’ve been looking for? How do you get pulled over for Driving While Russian?

806 A Mom Anon  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:27:49am

re: #794 ProBosniaLiberal

There are people who are FROM here who aren’t rednecks. In fact, I’d argue that most of the people from here are not the stereotypical ignorant right wing redneck. Granted, there are a lot of those sorts(Hell, I live next to a huge family that lives in their own self proclaimed “compound”, rednecks and proud of their ignorance), but they are mostly considered an embarrassment. Funny thing is, here in metro Atlanta at least, is that most of the people you meet here are from other parts of the country. I found that to be true when I lived in Florida too.

807 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:28:16am

re: #805 RogueOne

Was just wondering about that story. Why were they pulled over? Were they people they’ve been looking for? How do you get pulled over for Driving While Russian?

Maybe they were drinking White Russians.

808 Lidane  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:28:32am

Daily Caller showing their usual journalistic standards:

809 Randall Gross  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:28:35am

Lots of breathless reporting on this across all channels, the media’s going into wall to wall circus mode on this, expect nothing but all weekend.

810 AlexRogan  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:28:49am

re: #799 Kronocide

It would be nice if, as a society, we could understand and empathize with the young men who felt the need to make bombs and kill people but still hold them accountable for their horrific crimes. At the same time, empathize and care for the victims physically and psychologically maimed.

I hope they capture the last suspect alive. The trial will be painful for all but we need to confront the cycle of hate.

Given the brothers’ actions to this point, I somehow don’t think that’s gonna be in the cards; he’s either going to go out by suicide-by-cop or, if the reports of a “suicide vest” are accurate, he’s gonna try to take as many people with him as possible.

If he’s taken alive without further casualties, I’ll be surprised.

811 geoffm33  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:29:45am

My 4yo daughter just asked me “Does 3 and 5 equal 8?” A beautiful diversion.

812 RogueOne  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:30:11am

Anyone figured out what all the gunfire was about around 30 mins ago?

813 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:30:32am

re: #798 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Because I saw how they treat perceived outsiders in Oklahoma.

And honestly, your statement there is odd. The South doesn’t absorb immigrants. It’s that simple. Look at the Anti-Mosque hysteria in Murfreesboro, or the Anti-Sharia Law attempts throughout the region. Or the passage of the Anti-Undocumented Workers law in Alabama.

re: #806 A Mom Anon

That just proves the point. Florida isn’t really all the Southern anymore. And Atlanta is much the same.

For me, when I think of the South, I think the Confederacy, Lynching, Jim Crow, anti-Government yahoos, and Anti-Muslim bigotry.

814 geoffm33  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:31:08am

One more LOL. Friend on FB just said “These reporters are horrible!”. Someone replied, “Watch CNN”.

LOL

815 Kronocide  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:31:11am

re: #810 AlexRogan

If he’s taken alive without further casualties, I’ll be surprised.

Me too.

816 Dr. Matt  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:31:38am
817 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:32:20am

re: #797 Vicious Babushka

WTF

Uh oh. This might be a bigger terrorism plot that we thought.

818 darthstar  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:32:49am

Good morning everyo—WHATTHEFUCK? Dzhokhar? Is this guy a fucking Dothraki?

819 Mattand  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:32:50am

re: #791 A Mom Anon

OK is not the entire South though. There are a lot of liberals here in the South too, and while I cannot speak for all of us, I can say I get VERY tired of all this talk of writing off the entire area and to hell with us because we have a fair share of retrograde backwardass country fuckwads who consistently vote against their own best interests and don’t care who they hurt. This is where I’ve lived for over half my life and I’m a liberal. Before writing us all off down here, it might be prudent to remember that there’s a decent percentage of us who are liberal and trying to fight to make things better. If you’re on”my side” politically, it might be a good idea to take that into account. Just sayin’…..

A few observations:

I used to be much much more dismissive/bigoted about the South being a land of overalls, incest, and missing teeth. Then life intervened:

1) I live with a woman who’s from the Deep South and is one of the kindest, most open minded, and educated people who you will ever meet. She has relatives who are from NY state that are so bigoted that event the Klan would say, “Dude. Chill for a minute.”

2) I’m from NJ. To be blunt, the rest of the country hates us. Passionately. Why, I have no idea. I’m guess it’s because they think the 10 mile stretch of the NJ Turnpike that leads into NYC represents the whole state.

Not quite as bad as Southern bashing, but I know what it feels like to have people you work with think you and your family are troglodytes, mainly because you happens to live east of them across the Delaware River.

3) I was channel surfing and came across the tail end of a Jeff Foxworthy special. I know it sound corny, but he ended the show talking about what it’s like to be a Southerner.

Paraphrasing, but he said that the frustrating thing was people automatically deducting 20 IQ points off of you as soon as they hear a Southern accent.

4) The Philly/South Jersey region isn’t exactly a utopia of color blind bliss, to put it mildly. The Boston bombing suspects, and their assumed religion, are about to prove that.

It’s sound stupid, but I really try to remember this kind of stuff when dealing with Americans from other regions. I don’t always succeed, but I do try to make the effort.

Now those people from Freedonia? Screw ‘em. Whatever it is, they’re against it.

820 Political Atheist  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:33:20am

re: #813 ProBosniaLiberal

Because I saw how they treat perceived outsiders in Oklahoma.

And honestly, your statement there is odd. The South doesn’t absorb immigrants. It’s that simple. Look at the Anti-Mosque hysteria in Murfreesboro, or the Anti-Sharia Law attempts throughout the region. Or the passage of the Anti-Undocumented Workers law in Alabama.

re: #806 A Mom Anon

That just proves the point. Florida isn’t really all the Southern anymore. And Atlanta is much the same.

For me, when I think of the South, I think the Confederacy, Lynching, Jim Crow, anti-Government yahoos, and Anti-Muslim bigotry.

Maybe you should realize that these negative generalizations are really unfair. just as wrong as ethnic generalizations. Your negative stereotypes of the south deserve the call out.

821 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:33:41am

re: #815 Kronocide

Me too.

Same here.

822 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:33:45am

re: #794 ProBosniaLiberal

Oh, I realize portions of the south are de-southernizing. In the end, in terms of cultural adaptability, the North can flex and absorb others.

Simply put, the South cannot. There is no such thing as a Hispanic or Muslim Redneck, for lack of a better way to term it.

And we’ve lost a couple of good contributors due to them getting tired of constantly fighting that attitude that there is some sort of monolithic “South” that is irredeemable, backward, and borderline evil.

Show a little empathy since I’m sure you would be upset if someone substituted “Islam” for “South” in the previous sentence.

823 RogueOne  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:33:55am

re: #817 NJDhockeyfan

Uh oh. This might be a bigger terrorism plot that we thought.

Or they’re about to blow up someone’s homework like they did to those 2 unlucky bastards they had cuffed on the street earlier.

824 DelusionDeluge  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:34:42am

It is surreal to wake up to this news, especially after going to bed at 4:30 thinking I had most of the story. Whoops.

825 A Mom Anon  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:34:50am

re: #813 ProBosniaLiberal

But we do absorb immigrants. There is a HUGE Hispanic population here, also Indian as well as from various parts of Africa. You are speaking about Muslims, and IMO the problem isn’t a lack of absorbing, it’s about the hate whipped up after 9/11 that isn’t being allowed to dissipate. Before 9/11 there wasn’t an issue down here beyond the usual bullshit racism that is seen as a mostly Southern problem but is really a national issue.

826 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:35:38am

re: #822 Feline Fearless Leader

And we’ve lost a couple of good contributors due to them getting tired of constantly fighting that attitude that there is some sort of monolithic “South” that is irredeemable, backward, and borderline evil.

Show a little empathy since I’m sure you would be upset if someone substituted “Islam” for “South” in the previous sentence.

There is no monolithic “South” any more than there is a monolithic “Islam”.

827 Bulworth  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:36:48am

Yes, CNN’s coverage has been pretty awful.

Then I tried MSNBC, thought I might get Pete Williams. Instead got Morning Mika and Mike Barnacle. Those 2 are just more than anyone should have to endure. All they needed was Imus to complete the morning zoo.

828 Lidane  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:36:48am
829 RogueOne  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:37:11am
830 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:37:13am

re: #813 ProBosniaLiberal

Your inability to look at anything other than as groups is stupid no matter how many times you do it. It will always remain stupid.

You can say the South has a problem with assimilating immigrants (whether or not that’s actually true) without making the resoundingly stupid generalizations that you do. And again: There are plenty of Mexican rednecks. I know some great guys that are Mexican rednecks, who I used to work with. I have no idea why you think there aren’t. Is there some actual logic behind your weirdo belief that only white people can be rednecks? Is this a literal thing on ‘red neck’, is it as dumb as that?

831 thedopefishlives  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:37:49am

re: #825 A Mom Anon

But we do absorb immigrants. There is a HUGE Hispanic population here, also Indian as well as from various parts of Africa. You are speaking about Muslims, and IMO the problem isn’t a lack of absorbing, it’s about the hate whipped up after 9/11 that isn’t being allowed to dissipate. Before 9/11 there wasn’t an issue down here beyond the usual bullshit racism that is seen as a mostly Southern problem but is really a national issue.

If it means anything, that’s not necessarily just a Southern thing. Minnesota has the world’s largest Somali population outside of Somalia. There are a number of people here who are resentful and/or suspicious of the Somali Muslim population.

832 darthstar  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:37:53am

re: #826 Dr Lizardo

There is no monolithic “South” any more than there is a monolithic “Islam”.

There is, however, on any given day in the House and Senate, a monolithic Republican.

833 geoffm33  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:38:28am
834 Mattand  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:39:12am

re: #813 ProBosniaLiberal

For me, when I think of the South, I think the Confederacy, Lynching, Jim Crow, anti-Government yahoos, and Anti-Muslim bigotry.

Whew! For a minute there, I thought you were going to resort to reflexive generalizing everyone from the South.

835 iossarian  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:40:06am

re: #825 A Mom Anon

But we do absorb immigrants. There is a HUGE Hispanic population here, also Indian as well as from various parts of Africa. You are speaking about Muslims, and IMO the problem isn’t a lack of absorbing, it’s about the hate whipped up after 9/11 that isn’t being allowed to dissipate. Before 9/11 there wasn’t an issue down here beyond the usual bullshit racism that is seen as a mostly Southern problem but is really a national issue.

The “racism as national issue” thing is spot on. Here in the midwest, once you get out of any sizable town, you’ll find people who are quite comfortable throwing the n-word around.

I would venture a guess that societal racism is actually quite homogeneous across the US. What the South has going on that is unique, however, is block Republican voting, which is a result of broader historical trends. This leads to local government policy which is perhaps more apt to express latent racism.

836 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:40:08am

re: #832 darthstar

There is, however, on any given day in the House and Senate, a monolithic Republican.

I would argue that the latter is self-selecting since one is not born into the GOP, or necessarily raised GOP. One can be born into a region like a “South” and raised into a particular religion or cultural identity without much say about it.

837 Political Atheist  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:40:29am

CBS has a pretty good camera angle, the cops are walking away from a house where a bomb suited cop is going in. Oddly the tension appears to have lessened.

838 sugikoi  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:40:56am

re: #800 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Hey, are you going to acknowledge this?

littlegreenfootballs.com

Probably not and worse, next time we meet he will call me a “fucktard” and Islamophobe, the second of which I really resent since it is a despicable thing to be.

But thanks for being a witness.

839 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:42:40am

re: #831 thedopefishlives

If it means anything, that’s not necessarily just a Southern thing. Minnesota has the world’s largest Somali population outside of Somalia. There are a number of people here who are resentful and/or suspicious of the Somali Muslim population.

Heck, look at the Sioux assimilating all those Swedes and Norwegians!
;p

840 darthstar  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:43:28am

re: #834 Mattand

Whew! For a minute there, I thought you were going to resort to reflexive generalizing everyone from the South.

Now don’t go gittin’ yer grits mixed with yer molasses in yer corn cob pipe until yer moonshine jug is on the bloodhound, Cletus..we’s just speckalatin’ here…

841 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:43:30am

re: #830 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

I admit, it is an emotional thing with me. I was an odd duck when I was younger, and read up on history. And I read about the stories of the South from the Civil War and the Civil Rights Era. That started the image of the South that I have now.

842 AlexRogan  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:43:36am

re: #813 ProBosniaLiberal

Because I saw how they treat perceived outsiders in Oklahoma.

And honestly, your statement there is odd. The South doesn’t absorb immigrants. It’s that simple. Look at the Anti-Mosque hysteria in Murfreesboro, or the Anti-Sharia Law attempts throughout the region. Or the passage of the Anti-Undocumented Workers law in Alabama.

re: #806 A Mom Anon

That just proves the point. Florida isn’t really all the Southern anymore. And Atlanta is much the same.

For me, when I think of the South, I think the Confederacy, Lynching, Jim Crow, anti-Government yahoos, and Anti-Muslim bigotry.

The “South” may be a lot of things, some of them fucked up, but monolithic it isn’t anymore, not in the cities anyway.

Being a Nashvillian, I can tell you a few things, such as the opposition to the Islamic Center of Murfreesboro (open now since this past Ramadan, BTW) being from a relatively small number of people who actually live in the area and they were being egged on and supported from “anti-Islamists” from mostly out-of-state.

Another thing I bet you didn’t know about the Nashville area: while we have a sizable Hispanic population from all over, we also have the largest Kurdish community in America; we’re also pretty up there with our Vietnamese, Laotian, Cambodian, Sudanese, and Ethiopian populations, among others.

So, spare me your generalizations about “the South”.

843 Mattand  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:43:43am

re: #835 iossarian

The “racism as national issue” thing is spot on. Here in the midwest, once you get out of any sizable town, you’ll find people who are quite comfortable throwing the n-word around.

I have roots in a South Jersey town where MLK, Jr. was threatened with a gun when he tried to get lunch and a beer.

It unfortunately was one my grandfather’s proudest moments of living there.

844 Lidane  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:45:40am

So they’ve found a Twitter feed that seems to be the suspect that’s still on the loose. If this is real, the guy spent more time obsessed with football (soccer) than anything else:

twitter.com

However, this is interesting. It’s one of the few non-footy tweets:

845 Interesting Times  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:45:43am
846 iossarian  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:45:52am

re: #843 Mattand

I have roots in a South Jersey town where MLK, Jr. was threatened with a gun when he tried to get lunch and a beer.

It unfortunately was one my grandfather’s proudest moments of living there.

Awkward Thanksgiving Conversation Topic #45

847 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:46:11am

re: #835 iossarian

The “racism as national issue” thing is spot on. Here in the midwest, once you get out of any sizable town, you’ll find people who are quite comfortable throwing the n-word around.

I would venture a guess that societal racism is actually quite homogeneous across the US. What the South has going on that is unique, however, is block Republican voting, which is a result of broader historical trends. This leads to local government policy which is perhaps more apt to express latent racism.

There is also the cultural history of veneration of the Confederacy which leads to a lot of excusing of racism and even outright propagnadizing of racism. There’s totally really problems with racism endemic in the South to talk about. It’s a completely real problem. It’s also one that a lot of good people in the South have been fighting for literally hundreds of years, and other places in the US that are not in the south also have brutal problems with racism.

848 Randall Gross  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:47:08am

PSST ! Newer faster thread upstairs !!!!

849 thedopefishlives  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:47:54am

re: #839 Feline Fearless Leader

Heck, look at the Sioux assimilating all those Swedes and Norwegians!
;p

Yeeeah, that didn’t go so well. They’re still arguing, though at least they’re not killing each other anymore.

850 Mattand  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:48:41am

re: #846 iossarian

Awkward Thanksgiving Conversation Topic #45

LOL, especially if you’re the one not complaining about the ni-CLANGs and how they should go back to Africa.

Nearly half a century of hearing this shit.

851 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:49:45am

re: #842 AlexRogan

And I knew about the Kurds in Nashville as well.

852 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:53:47am

re: #851 ProBosniaLiberal

And I knew about the Kurds in Nashville as well.

Are you listening to what people are saying to you?

853 Petero1818  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:56:01am

re: #844 Lidane

Strange group of posts. Mostly football, one seemingly pro gun control or at least pro unpasteurized cheeses, and one alleging that recent mass murders were conspiracies.

854 S'latch  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:59:39am

re: #844 Lidane

He loved guns and cheese.

855 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:01:11am

re: #852 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Yes I am.

My image of the South comes from the Civil War and Civil Rights Era though.

856 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:05:41am

re: #855 ProBosniaLiberal

So what? We get that. Your group blame way of looking at the world is really, really awful.

Why can’t you see that? Why do you make the same mistake over and over and over and over and over? What is the deal?

857 dragonath  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:09:14am

re: #813 ProLifeLiberal

So, the South is whatever you want it to be?

858 abolitionist  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:13:35am

re: #295 HappyWarrior

Yeah they’re going to run with the Che shirt. Sigh.

Way too many celebrities and other idiots have promoted that icon, and on that, I have very mixed feelings. Everyone is free to rattle everyone’s cage with such idiocy.

859 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:16:58am

re: #856 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

I have a tendency to categorize people. I want to keep things organized. Not to mention it acts as crutch for me socially, as I can figure out how I need to act around certain people. Like who I can trust, and stuff like that.

Otherwise, I am lost.

860 AlexRogan  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:17:11am

re: #855 ProBosniaLiberal

Yes I am.

My image of the South comes from the Civil War and Civil Rights Era though.

A lot of Tennesseans fought, bled, and died on both sides of the Civil War.

Nashville was also part of the genesis for the Civil Rights movement; a lot of the Freedom Riders, whites and blacks, were Nashvillians, for example.

Time changes a lot; if you don’t get ahead of history, you’re already behind.

861 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:21:40am

re: #859 ProBosniaLiberal

I have a tendency to categorize people. I want to keep things organized. Not to mention it acts as crutch for me socially, as I can figure out how I need to act around certain people. Like who I can trust, and stuff like that.

Otherwise, I am lost.

You are lost when you do it, though. That’s what you don’t get. This isn’t a crutch, it’s shackles. And it makes you scary as shit, because that sort of group blame that you engage in is what leads to racism, xenophobia, intolerance in the first place.

You need to get past it.

862 simoom  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:47:50am

re: #563 Vicious Babushka

How can he be registered to vote if he is not a citizen?

Just heard on CNN or MSNBC they were both naturalized U.S. citizens, so that mystery may have been explained.


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