1 of 2 Mass. Bomb Suspects Dead; Suburbs Shut Down

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Two suspects in the Boston Marathon bombing killed an MIT police officer, injured a transit officer in a firefight and threw explosive devices at police during their getaway attempt in a long night of violence that left one of them dead and another still at large Friday, authorities said as the manhunt intensified for a young man described as a dangerous terrorist.

The suspects were identified to The Associated Press as coming from the Russian region near Chechnya, which has been plagued by an Islamic insurgency stemming from separatist wars. A law enforcement intelligence bulletin obtained by the AP identified the surviving bomb suspect as Dzhokhar A. Tsarnaev, a 19-year-old who had been living in Cambridge, just outside Boston, and said he “may be armed and dangerous.”

Two law enforcement officials told the AP that Tsarnaev and the other suspect, who was not immediately identified, had been living legally in the U.S. for at least one year.

In Boston, still on edge over the attack on the marathon, and its western suburbs, authorities suspended mass transit and urged people to stay indoors as they searched for the remaining suspect, a man seen wearing a white baseball cap on surveillance footage from Monday’s deadly bombing at the marathon finish line.

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522 comments
1 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:47:53am
2 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:48:35am
3 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:49:34am
4 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:50:35am

Bryan Fischer is Derping up a storm. I will spare you the frenzied Tweets.

5 Randall Gross  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:52:13am

They might have found a real twitter account for the guy, but it’s being spammed right now. It has tweets going back to Dec. and a retweet of a story from the kookspiracy “Before it’s News” site.

6 DelusionDeluge  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:52:41am

You can tell a lot about someone by how long they wait after a tragedy to inject their wishful political fantasies onto the situation. I hope we’re better than that here. Right now I’m just hoping for a speedy and safe conclusion to this craziness in my hometown.

7 Randall Gross  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:53:13am

This might be the account, not confirmed yet:

twitter.com

8 Bulworth  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:56:02am

re: #4 Vicious Babushka

He wants all Muslims deported NOW. Sure, Bryan, we’ll get right on that for you. /

9 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:56:09am

re: #4 Vicious Babushka

Bryan Fischer is Derping up a storm. I will spare you the frenzied Tweets.

LGF and sane people throughout the world thank you.

10 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:57:05am

re: #7 Randall Gross

This might be the account, not confirmed yet:

twitter.com

“studying law at Boston Uni”…his father says he’s a med student?

And that VK page for him doesn’t mention anything about college/university while misspelling the name of his high school.

11 Bulworth  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:57:25am

re: #4 Vicious Babushka

I always get a kick out of them—especially your responses—although I know some others don’t feel the same way.

12 Randall Gross  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:58:04am

Some are saying he has a web page too, but it could be some idiot perpetrating a fraud.

13 Petero1818  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:58:43am

Well one thing is for sure with this idiot. He won’t be able to hide. That is not a mug anyone is likely to mistake or to forget.

14 RogueOne  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:58:58am
15 Interesting Times  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 6:59:08am

OMG can CNN FAIL any harder? 9_9

16 A Mom Anon  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:00:46am

re: #15 Interesting Times

At this point they need to just go off the air and start running cat videos 24/7. It would be more useful and informative.

Idiots.

17 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:01:23am

Breaking News tweets from major media sources has slowed down. Are they getting a clue that maybe it’s stupid to update without confirmation?

Did anyone watch Jon Stewart’s “CNN: The Human Centipede of News”

18 geoffm33  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:01:56am
19 Lidane  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:02:11am
20 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:02:13am

re: #15 Interesting Times

OMG can CNN FAIL any harder? 9_9

My new theory is that CNN *is* accurate, but the quantum feeds got crossed and we’re getting their news from a parallel reality.
//

21 Bulworth  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:03:00am

re: #14 RogueOne

Not a false flag anymore, now it’s MUSLIM LEFTIST MUSLIM IMMIGRANTS ARGLEBARGLE

22 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:03:57am
23 Big Steve  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:04:21am

re: #7 Randall Gross

This might be the account, not confirmed yet:

twitter.com

…..a soccer fan….I knew it.

24 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:04:33am
25 Ian G.  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:04:49am

re: #22 Vicious Babushka

Holy crap. It looks like something out of a apocalyptic disease movie.

26 geoffm33  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:06:15am

Well, that pot of coffee went fast. Round #2 coming up.

27 S'latch  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:07:15am

re: #24 Charles Johnson

How strange. It makes you wonder what went wrong.

28 Bulworth  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:08:14am

Apparently Glenn Beck (R-Crazy) is still insisting the Saudi man identified earlier in the week is still a suspect but it’s being covered up or something.

29 S'latch  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:08:34am

re: #19 Lidane

I will be very surprised if they take this person alive at this point.

30 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:08:42am

re: #24 Charles Johnson

Personally, I would like to know was this just a Leopold and Lobe sort of thing, a thrill-kill, or was this some kind of half-baked attempt at “jihad”?

If the latter, I want to know where they radicalized and by whom.

31 Ian G.  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:09:09am

re: #24 Charles Johnson

Makes me wonder if this is really an attack inspired by radical Islam, or if we’re seeing Harris/Klebold all over again. Remember, those two wanted to go on a mass killing spree beyond Columbine with bombs and airplanes, but never got that far, mercifully.

32 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:09:12am

How far can he get in that gray Honda if there are no other cars on the road?

33 RogueOne  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:09:19am
34 Petero1818  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:09:21am

re: #27 S’latch

It seems we are continuously saying that. As often as not, perpetrators of acts of terrorism are not disenfranchised loners living on the periphery of society. They are often young, middle class educated folks. It is curious and troubling.

35 thedopefishlives  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:09:58am

re: #32 Vicious Babushka

How far can he get in that gray Honda if there are no other cars on the road?

Friend in Boston said the police are on high alert today. She got pulled over driving in to work.

36 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:10:12am
37 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:10:54am

re: #22 Vicious Babushka

Any time now the moaning will start and the streets will fill with zombies…oh wait, wrong movie.

//

38 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:12:00am

re: #34 Petero1818

It seems we are continuously saying that. As often as not, perpetrators of acts of terrorism are not disenfranchised loners living on the periphery of society. They are often young, middle class educated folks. It is curious and troubling.

Look at V.I. Lenin. He became a professional revolutionary. He was a well-educated individual, and from a middle-class background. Yet he becomes the leader of the Bolshevik Revolution.

Middle-class ennui perhaps? The discreet dark side of the bourgeois?

39 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:12:09am
40 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:14:10am

re: #22 Vicious Babushka

Boston: 28 Days Later.

//

41 Petero1818  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:15:22am

re: #38 Dr Lizardo

Historically revolutionary movements are often led by middle class bourgeois. As they say, the poor have bigger problems like scrounging for their next meals. Its only at the end where the masses grab the pitch forks. Most of the heavy lifting is done from the middle.

42 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:15:51am

We already have a candidate for creepiest tweet of the day from a Fox News contributor:

43 iossarian  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:16:55am

re: #42 Charles Johnson

We already have a candidate for creepiest tweet of the day from a Fox News contributor:

That’s not pretzel logic. That’s full-blown Moebius logic.

44 thedopefishlives  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:17:20am

re: #42 Charles Johnson

We already have a candidate for creepiest tweet of the day from a Fox News contributor:

I’m trying to wrap my brain around it, but the circuit breaker keeps tripping.

45 DelusionDeluge  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:17:21am

re: #42 Charles Johnson

Sooo…. both are very much terrorism? Thanks, Kirsten.

46 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:17:33am

re: #42 Charles Johnson

Image: confused_dog.jpg

47 Ian G.  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:17:37am

re: #42 Charles Johnson

The hell? I suppose this is a misguided, if well-intentioned attempt to keep the right-wing lynch mobs from ransacking the nearest Arab-run grocery store, but geez Kirsten, it IS terrorism, just like attacking an abortion clinic is terrorism.

48 Bulworth  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:17:43am

re: #42 Charles Johnson

We already have a candidate for creepiest tweet of the day from a Fox News contributor:

Confirmed. FACT.

//

49 Dr. Matt  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:18:55am

Considering suspect 2 is as about white as wonder bread, this pretty refutes that ethnic and racial profiling sucks.

50 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:19:01am

re: #43 iossarian

That’s not pretzel logic. That’s full-blown Moebius logic.

I can’t understand if she’s trying to say this is a stupid thought she’s expressing in order to mock it or actually her thought.

Whatever this was, it was terrorism. If it was spree killing, it was still terrorism.

The right wing really pretends that liberals think Muslim terrorists don’t exist or something, I guess?

51 Petero1818  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:19:26am

re: #42 Charles Johnson

I am guessing she got a very poor score on the LSAT logic section.

52 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:20:15am

re: #49 Dr. Matt

Hey, reminder, the guy you accused of being a fucktard and an Islamaphobe is actually completely reasonable and was saying something positive about Muslims:

littlegreenfootballs.com

I generally enjoy your posts, so it’d be cool if you could at least acknowledge this.

53 Dr. Matt  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:20:26am

re: #42 Charles Johnson

Kirsten Powers, professional concern troll.

54 A Mom Anon  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:20:54am

re: #38 Dr Lizardo

I really wish we could have a national discussion about the WHY of all this. How do people end up so disenfranchised and isolated and angry? Where does that hurt come from and is there something any of us could do to promote closer and more empathetic communities?

My son is the same age as the kid they’re looking for right now. My son has been ostracized and alienated at the hands of his peers but he’s still not so angry he wants to hurt others. Is it because his dad and I are unwavering in our support of him(unless he’s in the wrong)? Is it because he’s managed to find pretty healthy outlets for the inevitable energy overload a 19 yr old kid has sometimes? What did we do different than this kid’s parents did? Or did we do anything different at all? And is all this maybe a clue that we should start the process of bringing our communities closer somehow? I don’t know, but it would be nice to cut through all the shit and start banding together and working the hell out of this problem because I don’t think it’s going to get better until we do.

55 Big Steve  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:20:57am

re: #49 Dr. Matt

Considering suspect 2 is as about white as wonder bread, this pretty refutes that ethnic and racial profiling sucks.

True….one can’t get much closer to the Caucasian Mountains than Chechnya.

56 DelusionDeluge  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:22:51am

re: #50 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

It’s probably more that she doesn’t believe those who would bomb an abortion clinic are terrorists, even though their intent is to terrorize in a deliberate manner. As disgusting as it sounds, seems Powers is throwing cover for abortion clinic menaces. It was never brought up, never asked of her, and yet she offered it up. Disturbing to say the least.

57 DisturbedEma  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:23:14am

Good morning and ermegerd didn’t see this coming…totally surprised by the turn of events…

58 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:23:43am

re: #54 A Mom Anon

I really wish we could have a national discussion about the WHY of all this. How do people end up so disenfranchised and isolated and angry? Where does that hurt come from and is there something any of us could do to promote closer and more empathetic communities?

My son is the same age as the kid they’re looking for right now. My son has been ostracized and alienated at the hands of his peers but he’s still not so angry he wants to hurt others. Is it because his dad and I are unwavering in our support of him(unless he’s in the wrong)? Is it because he’s managed to find pretty healthy outlets for the inevitable energy overload a 19 yr old kid has sometimes? What did we do different than this kid’s parents did? Or did we do anything different at all? And is all this maybe a clue that we should start the process of bringing our communities closer somehow? I don’t know, but it would be nice to cut through all the shit and start banding together and working the hell out of this problem because I don’t think it’s going to get better until we do.

A good point.

There’s three ways people respond to alienation and being ostracized.

Some go apeshit and start killing people.

Some kill themselves.

Some blow it off and get over it.

But as you said, it’s necessary that society needs to address this.

59 RogueOne  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:23:44am
60 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:23:48am

My one speculation at this point is that the older brother was probably the radicalized/alienated one and that the younger brother might have been much less so — but was essentially a dedicated follower due to having a exceeding strong sense of family with the associated blinding loyalties that can include.

61 iossarian  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:23:53am

re: #50 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

The right wing really pretends that liberals think Muslim terrorists don’t exist or something, I guess?

I think you can actually explain it by a failure to understand predicate logic, which is not all that implausible as even pretty bright undergraduates can get confused by this (fact):

Statement A (the “liberal position”): Not all Muslims are terrorists.

Statement B (the “Fox News liberal characterization”): All Muslims are not terrorists.

A does not imply B, but it’s not hard to mistake one for the other (especially if you’re doing it deliberately…)

62 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:24:03am

re: #56 DelusionDeluge

I dunno, I’d like to give the benefit of the doubt but the problem is there is no non-stupid way to interpret that tweet. Either she doesn’t think bombing an abortion clinic is terrorism or she thinks that liberals don’t believe in Muslims terrorists or are denying this is terrorism or something.

63 Bulworth  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:24:15am

re: #60 Feline Fearless Leader

Sounds familiar.

64 Dr. Matt  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:24:20am

Interesting…..

Police scanner: broadcastify.com

MA State PD and Boston Police have requested via social media to not post search locations for the Boston bombing suspects - the Boston PD feed is temporarily offline due to this request.

65 Interesting Times  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:24:27am

re: #51 Petero1818

I am guessing she got a very poor score on the LSAT logic section.

And the section dealing with ability to process, you know, reality:

66 DisturbedEma  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:24:35am

re: #55 Big Steve

I stand corrected- I really believed this was a Tea Party act of “liberty”

67 iossarian  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:25:04am

re: #57 DisturbedEma

Good morning and ermegerd didn’t see this coming…totally surprised by the turn of events…

+1 ermegerd

68 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:25:12am

re: #65 Interesting Times

Well, that clears it up.

What a weirdo. Abortion clinic bombing is about as literal terrorism as you can get.

69 Bulworth  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:25:47am
no it isn’t.An abortion clinic bomber has no ideological or political or religious group who supports what they do.
— Kirsten Powers (@kirstenpowers10)

Somebody please confiscate Kirsten’s shovel so she’ll stop digging.

70 DelusionDeluge  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:25:53am

re: #65 Interesting Times

Powers is digging an even deeper hole on this. Delete the tweets, Kirsten. You are making a damn fool out of yourself.

71 DisturbedEma  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:26:20am

re: #65 Interesting Times

Whaaaa? No religious ideology???? Dafuq…

72 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:26:36am

re: #67 iossarian

1 ermegerd

What is that a unit of? Being consumed by ice weasels after flipping your snowmobile?

73 Dr. Matt  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:26:38am

re: #69 Bulworth

Somebody please confiscate Kirsten’s shovel so she’ll stop digging.

She’s a Fox “Democrat”…..she’s paid to look stupid.

74 iossarian  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:26:53am

re: #65 Interesting Times

And the section dealing with ability to process, you know, reality:

Powers: An abortion clinic bomber has no ideological or political or religious group who supports what they do.

Um, Kirsten, there’s this political party, starts with an R…

75 Stanley Sea  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:27:13am

re: #60 Feline Fearless Leader

My one speculation at this point is that the older brother was probably the radicalized/alienated one and that the younger brother might have been much less so — but was essentially a dedicated follower due to having a exceeding strong sense of family with the associated blinding loyalties that can include.

The younger’s friend was on NPR this morning. He (an intern at the Globe btw) is totally shocked. Totally. Could not see this in a million years, so there.

He also said much of the info about the younger is untrue. He spoke with him last at superbowl.

76 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:27:24am

re: #73 Dr. Matt

Hey, reminder, the guy you accused of being a fucktard and an Islamaphobe is actually completely reasonable and was saying something positive about Muslims:

littlegreenfootballs.com

I generally enjoy your posts, so it’d be cool if you could at least acknowledge this.

77 iossarian  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:27:36am

re: #72 Feline Fearless Leader

What is that a unit of? Being consumed by ice weasels after flipping your snowmobile?

Ha. Meant to say ” 1”. Corrected now!

78 DisturbedEma  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:27:38am

re: #73 Dr. Matt

Really? Is she a replacement for Combes(sp)?

79 kirkspencer  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:28:30am

re: #65 Interesting Times

And the section dealing with ability to process, you know, reality:

Dear Kirsten, see “Army of God” and “Operation Rescue”.

80 Ian G.  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:28:35am

re: #65 Interesting Times

Is she fucking kidding? I don’t even want to see the polling on how many Americans support bombing abortion clinics, as it would be too depressing. Or is she suggesting that Eric Rudolph hid out in the Blue Ridge for all those years without any covert assistance?

81 DisturbedEma  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:28:56am

re: #77 iossarian

Sorry- I was attempting to use the term as my hip teens do…kind of a fail, no totally…I understand it is a way of saying OMG

82 DelusionDeluge  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:29:37am

re: #73 Dr. Matt

She’s learned about the world from Bill O’Reilly, who can’t believe anyone would try to associate the death of Dr. George Tiller with Bill’s irresponsible rhetoric. It’s never ever a right-wing host’s fault. In fact, they are always the victims. By 8:05 pm on “The Factor”, every night, whoever criticizes Bill on TV or in blogs is the real terrorist.

83 DisturbedEma  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:29:52am

re: #79 kirkspencer

See also recent GOP attempts to end legal abortion…

84 Lidane  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:30:12am
85 iossarian  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:30:18am

re: #81 DisturbedEma

Sorry- I was attempting to use the term as my hip teens do…kind of a fail, no totally…I understand it is a way of saying OMG

No, no, I love it! We were actually discussing “ermagerd” at work the other day, since we have kids in various teen/pre-teen stages.

Also “awkward”.

86 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:30:43am
87 A Mom Anon  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:30:53am

re: #71 DisturbedEma

She’s apparently unaware of the Army of God. It’s not like that’s the only group too. Seriously, she’s not the sharpest crayon in the box.

88 thedopefishlives  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:31:09am

re: #86 Charles Johnson

DERP.

89 AlexRogan  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:31:12am

re: #64 Dr. Matt

Interesting…..

Police scanner: broadcastify.com

Doesn’t surprise me; however, I wonder why they didn’t ask the scanner rebroadcasters to cease hours ago, because all the suspects would have to do to keep tabs on the cops is to use an app on their phone like Scanner Radio (on Android).

Besides, before they cut the channel off, Broadcastify’s Boston PD was getting slammed with traffic and going up and down; the last I looked (about an hour or so ago), there were about 150,000 people listening (or trying to). Most big-city police channels I’ve listened to through my Scanner Radio app maybe peak at 5000-10000 listeners when something’s going on; here in Nashville, 1000-2000 people is the max I’ve seen for Metro’s channel.

90 DisturbedEma  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:31:35am

re: #85 iossarian

Apparently I’m “hilarious” when I say it:) I get the rolled eyes and the sigh of lameness;)

91 Ian G.  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:31:49am

re: #86 Charles Johnson

Oh good, I thought this conspiracy theory would die once they IDed the suspects as Chechen Muslims. Yes, GOP, please hang yourself with that rope.

92 erik_t  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:32:02am

re: #86 Charles Johnson

hat.jpg

93 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:32:07am

re: #81 DisturbedEma

Sorry- I was attempting to use the term as my hip teens do…kind of a fail, no totally…I understand it is a way of saying OMG

ermahgerd.

knowyourmeme.com

Learn something new every day. And I can see it if you imagine it spoken in that teen sarcastic way.

94 Dr. Matt  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:32:20am

Ominous statement:

95 iossarian  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:32:21am

re: #86 Charles Johnson

Telegraph from Mr. G. Beck:

DEAR STAFFER STOP REMAIN IN BOSTON STOP YOU SUPPLY PICTURES I’LL SUPPLY COVER-UP STOP

96 geoffm33  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:32:35am

Something I NEVER in a million years thought would EVER be an LGF headline:

Police Battle Suspects With Grenades, Automatic Weapons in Watertown Mass.

97 PeterWolf  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:33:23am

Not all the scanner feeds have gone dark:
ustream.tv

98 Kurt Princeton  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:33:53am

re: #6 DelusionDeluge

re: #54 A Mom Anon

“I really wish we could have a national discussion about the WHY of all this.”

Be glad to explain it to you. These monsters are evil. They view kindness as weakness. You can not bribe or reason with them.

99 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:34:18am

re: #98 Kurt Princeton

That’s really not much of an explanation.

100 DisturbedEma  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:34:28am

re: #94 Dr. Matt

Holy SHIT!!!!!!

101 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:34:56am

re: #65 Interesting Times

And the section dealing with ability to process, you know, reality:

Seriously? She must be high.

102 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:35:01am

How will Loony Louie Gohmert square all this with his assertion that radical Islamists are trained to…

act hispanic!

103 AlexRogan  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:35:23am

re: #95 iossarian

Telegraph from Mr. G. Beck:

DEAR STAFFER STOP REMAIN IN BOSTON STOP YOU SUPPLY PICTURES I’LL SUPPLY COVER-UP STOP

Nice William Randolph Hearst/Spanish-American War reference there.

104 Dr. Matt  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:36:31am

From MMFA: Why Glenn Beck is dangerous

Glenn Beck: We at the Blaze know that this Saudi national is a bad, bad, bad man … This administration is playing an extraordinarily dangerous game. They have very little regard for what it takes to be a citizen. Before the sequester cuts happened, they opened the prison and let illegals out. Who does that? Remember also, the Saudi national that was — is about to get on a plane — involved in blowing the legs off of American citizens, being held in protective custody or being protected, at least, by our administration. He will be put in protective custody and the plans are to deport him.

105 Ian G.  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:36:46am

re: #94 Dr. Matt

Is that a threat? Maybe the FBI needs to question him a bit more on what he knows.

106 DelusionDeluge  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:36:55am

re: #98 Kurt Princeton

Do you believe that evil is innate or learned? If you believe it is learned, then the ‘why’ is completely important and quite complicated.

107 RogueOne  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:37:04am

re: #94 Dr. Matt

Ominous statement:

I guess that explains his “angel” comment. What a douche.

108 DisturbedEma  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:37:13am

re: #94 Dr. Matt

The Yahoo story has the uncle saying that the suspect deserves to die if he did do this, the father is quoted as calling his son a true angel

Link

109 RogueOne  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:37:50am

They’re still going over that car in Niagara Falls

110 DisturbedEma  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:37:54am

re: #107 RogueOne

beat me to it- also noted the true angel quote

111 erik_t  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:38:30am

re: #108 DisturbedEma

The Yahoo story has the uncle saying that the suspect deserves to die if he did do this, the father is quoted as calling his son a true angel

Link

In the heat of the moment, I would expect the rationality of statements to scale inversely with the directness of the relation.

112 A Mom Anon  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:38:37am

re: #98 Kurt Princeton

I’ve worked with children as a preschool teacher in the past. On thing I took away from that experience is that no one is born evil, hatred is learned. It’s all around us, so why do some react with so much anger and some respond by living lives based on love and concern? Just stating they are monsters does not ONE THING to fix what’s broken. In fact, I think that’s sort of part of the issue, since it seems like such a big thing then lets just dismiss it and not try to minimize the hatred and alienation.

113 Lidane  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:38:48am
114 Sionainn  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:39:01am

re: #105 Ian G.

Is that a threat? Maybe the FBI needs to question him a bit more on what he knows.

Didn’t I read that the father is in Russia?

115 Dr. Matt  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:39:40am
re: #94 Dr. Matt

Father of at large bombing suspect tells abc all “hell will break loose” if his son is killed. A wildly tense morning in Boston continues.
— Rob Nelson (@TVRobNelson) April 19, 2013

Here is the original story:

Boston Bomb Suspect’s Dad Tells Him to Surrender, Warns ’ Hell Will Break Loose’ if Son Dies

The father of suspected Boston Marathon bomber called on his son today to give up peacefully, but warned the U.S. that if his son is killed “all hell will break loose.”

Anzor Tsarnaev spoke to ABC News from his home in the Russian city of Makhachkala as Boston police carried out an intense dragnet for his son Dzhokhar Tsarnaev.

116 efuseakay  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:40:22am

re: #114 Sionainn

Didn’t I read that the father is in Russia?

That’s my understanding.

117 DisturbedEma  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:40:45am

re: #106 DelusionDeluge

I had a psych professor tell the class that “evil” was the result of a “biological misadventure” compounded by “environmental deficit”…I’m still not sure what he meant by that…

118 Petero1818  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:41:04am

re: #94 Dr. Matt

Ominous statement:

First of all, hasn’t his son already been killed? and secondly, so we should what…let him go?

119 S'latch  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:41:15am

re: #114 Sionainn

re: #116 efuseakay

“Anzor Tsarnaev spoke to ABC News from his home in the Russian city of Makhachkala as Boston police carried out an intense dragnet for his son Dzhokhar Tsarnaev.”

120 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:41:17am

re: #112 A Mom Anon

I’ve worked with children as a preschool teacher in the past. No one is born evil, hatred is learned. It’s all around us, so why do some react with so much anger and some respond by living lives based on love and concern? Just stating they are monsters does not ONE THING to fix what’s broken. In fact, I think that’s sort of part of the issue, since it seems like such a big thing then lets just dismiss it and not try to minimize the hatred and alienation.

But slapping a label of “monster” on the coffin and then burying it gives you the quick closure without having to start asking questions about how people are treated, complaints and injustices are ignored, and whether the society is failing its side of the social contract with some of its citizens.

121 efuseakay  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:41:47am

re: #118 Petero1818

First of all, hasn’t his son already been killed? and secondly, so we should what…let him go?

One if his sons, yes.

122 Randall Gross  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:42:04am

re: #113 Lidane

Join date makes this look legit, but it could be a renamed account

123 Stanley Sea  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:42:34am

Question, has any of the friends interviewed mentioned that they totally recognized him from the photos yesterday? Did anyone contact police?

124 DisturbedEma  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:42:37am

re: #111 erik_t

I’m reminded of the Columbine aftermath- the parents of the two killers, I’m not sure, did they say the same thing? Wow, just realized the anniversary of that is tomorrow, 14 years ago

125 Petero1818  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:42:50am

re: #115 Dr. Matt

Here is the original story:

Boston Bomb Suspect’s Dad Tells Him to Surrender, Warns ’ Hell Will Break Loose’ if Son Dies

And suddenly this sounds like the plot of Taken. Now we are going to have to send Liam Neeson to kill this idiot’s father?

126 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:43:09am

re: #119 S’latch

re: #116 efuseakay

“Anzor Tsarnaev spoke to ABC News from his home in the Russian city of Makhachkala as Boston police carried out an intense dragnet for his son Dzhokhar Tsarnaev.”

I expect that there are some language and translation issues involved in these statements. Or at least some context is being missed or misunderstood.

127 Lidane  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:43:26am
128 Kurt Princeton  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:43:37am

re: #56 DelusionDeluge

It’s probably more that she doesn’t believe those who would bomb an abortion clinic are terrorists, even though their intent is to terrorize in a deliberate manner.

How does the murder trial of Kermit B. Gosnell, in the deaths of seven babies and a 41 year old grandmother fit your happy world view of the noble abortionist?

129 AlexRogan  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:43:43am

re: #120 Feline Fearless Leader

But slapping a label of “monster” on the coffin and then burying it gives you the quick closure without having to start asking questions about how people are treated, complaints and injustices are ignored, and whether the society is failing its side of the social contract with some of its citizens.

For many, that’s true, and there should be some questioning about what we, as a society, can do better to help people before it goes too far.

However, some people are just born bad.

130 Lidane  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:44:13am
131 Petero1818  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:44:42am

re: #127 Lidane

Sure, because when this kid arrived at the age of 10 and became an honour student we should have known something was up///

132 Dr. Matt  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:45:04am

re: #128 Kurt Princeton

How does the murder trial of Kermit B. Gosnell, in the deaths of seven babies and a 41 year old grandmother fit your happy world view of the noble abortionist?

Who said that Dr. Gosnell was “noble”? Please provide the link to that statement. We’ll wait……

133 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:45:10am

re: #109 RogueOne

They’re still going over that car in Niagara Falls

Due to early childhood exposure to The Three Stooges, I can’t hear or read “Niagara Falls” without this coming to mind:

Youtube Video
134 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:45:16am

re: #128 Kurt Princeton

How does the murder trial of Kermit B. Gosnell, in the deaths of seven babies and a 41 year old grandmother fit your happy world view of the noble abortionist?

First of all, the post you responded to says nothing about the nobility of abortionists. Second of all, Gosnell is a criminal who is resoundingly repudiated by other abortion providers. Saying he represents most abortionists makes as much sense as saying the cannibal cop in NYC represents most police officers.

135 gwangung  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:45:18am

re: #128 Kurt Princeton

If you were paying attention to the progressive press that BROKE the story, you’d know.

136 DisturbedEma  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:45:38am

re: #132 Dr. Matt

Uh oh…sounds like trouble…just saying

137 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:45:55am

re: #128 Kurt Princeton

Saw this coming.

138 RogueOne  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:46:00am

re: #130 Lidane

There has been an update. Wrong guy, old guy even. People need to stay inside. No need to die from a misunderstanding.

139 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:46:29am

re: #132 Dr. Matt

Who said that Dr. Gosnell was “noble”? Please provide the link to that statement. We’ll wait……

Hey, while you’re holding people accountable for the things they say…

You called someone a fucktard and implied they were attacking Muslims, when they were actually defending them. This was shitty behavior on your part, and it’s only getting worse that you refuse to acknowledge your mistake.

littlegreenfootballs.com

Stand up.

140 Dr. Matt  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:46:51am

re: #130 Lidane

Just in: Suspect 2 on the ground at gunpoint.
— Matthew Keys (@TheMatthewKeys) April 19, 2013

Police have Suspect 2 on the ground at gunpoint.
— Matthew Keys (@TheMatthewKeys) April 19, 2013

Live feed on RS: rawstory.com

Nothing breaking…..yet

141 DisturbedEma  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:47:14am

re: #138 RogueOne

I agree, I’m feeling like I do when I see people “waiting out” a hurricane…PLEASE just take the warning seriously!

142 Pawn of the Oppressor  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:47:17am

When they released the first images yesterday my initial thought was “Chehen” - the younger’s features are very “russian” to my eyes, and Chechnya of course is the only kettle of strife in that part of the world that would boil over into an international bombing.

One of the victims who lost his legs said yesterday that the elder brother looked him in the eyes right before putting the bomb down next to him. That speaks to an ethnic/religious level of hate so typical of that part of the world, that frankly it doesnt surprise me that dad would call him an angel. Hate like that is normal for conflict in that part of the world.

143 erik_t  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:47:32am

re: #137 Charles Johnson

Saw this coming.

What is it about April!?

144 DelusionDeluge  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:47:43am

re: #128 Kurt Princeton

What in the hell?

Are you saying that Gosnell, or anyone you believe to be a Gosnell, or anyone you believe to be anything, should be murdered and/or blown up by you or a citizen, damn the collateral damage?

145 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:49:15am

re: #128 Kurt Princeton

How does the murder trial of Kermit B. Gosnell, in the deaths of seven babies and a 41 year old grandmother fit your happy world view of the noble abortionist?

Gosnell is a criminal abortionist and deserves to be sent up for a long time.

But “abortionist” doesn’t carry the additional label of “noble” or “criminal” with it by default.

If abortion was clearly a woman’s choice and was legally available, reasonably priced, and with no social stigma attached such as lines of screaming protesters outside of clinics I suspect that Gosnell would not have been in business in the first place.

Legal, safe, and rare should be the goal. And achieved via education, not by restrictions, shaming, and punishment.

146 erik_t  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:49:19am

re: #142 Pawn of the Oppressor

One of the victims who lost his legs said yesterday that the elder brother looked him in the eyes right before putting the bomb down next to him. That speaks to an ethnic/religious level of hate so typical of that part of the world

This is an uncomfortable comment, and I’m a little disturbed by the wide universe of things you’re ascribing to one man’s heat-of-the-moment memory.

147 AlexRogan  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:50:23am

re: #128 Kurt Princeton

How does the murder trial of Kermit B. Gosnell, in the deaths of seven babies and a 41 year old grandmother fit your happy world view of the noble abortionist?

Gosnell is a criminal who preyed on poor, powerless, and uninformed women, pure and simple; he should be punished to the fullest extent of the law

Most doctors, of any sort of practice, follow the law.

Next…

148 RogueOne  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:51:06am

Foxnews showing more gunfire at a starbucks in watertown.

149 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:51:30am

re: #144 DelusionDeluge

What in the hell?

Are you saying that Gosnell, or anyone you believe to be a Gosnell, or anyone you believe to be anything, should be murdered and/or blown up by you or a citizen, damn the collateral damage?

My father, who surprisingly given is wingnut bent, is not anti-abortion but was so appalled by the whole Gosnell deal he thinks they should clip that guy’s spine. Can’t say I necessarily disagree.

150 Dr. Matt  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:51:30am

????????

151 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:51:48am

Yup.

152 kirkspencer  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:52:08am

re: #128 Kurt Princeton

How does the murder trial of Kermit B. Gosnell, in the deaths of seven babies and a 41 year old grandmother fit your happy world view of the noble abortionist?

How does the sexual assault trial of Paul Patrick Serdula, in the rapes of 19 women to include 2 girls under the age of 16 fit your happy world view of the noble dentist?

What, you can’t see the parallel? Things like “Who called the profession ‘noble’” and tarring an entire profession for one criminal who used the profession as his access?

153 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:52:09am

re: #148 RogueOne

Foxnews showing more gunfire at a starbucks in watertown.

Someone got whole milk instead of skim in their latte’. Caffeinated and out of control is no way to go through life son.

154 AlexRogan  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:52:16am

re: #151 Charles Johnson

Yup.

And the President in particular.

155 DisturbedEma  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:52:24am

re: #150 Dr. Matt

I second the ??????

156 S'latch  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:52:34am

re: #150 Dr. Matt

Seems like a legitimate news source to me.

157 jaunte  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:52:49am

There’s not enough caffeine for this news cycle.

158 Kurt Princeton  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:53:01am

re: #95 iossarian

Telegraph from Mr. G. Beck:

DEAR STAFFER STOP REMAIN IN BOSTON STOP YOU SUPPLY PICTURES I’LL SUPPLY COVER-UP STOP

My Dear Mr. Lossarian - what, exactly, are you implying? That the Boston bombing didn’t actually happen? It was an evil fantasy hatched by FOX News to boost web hits? An eight year old boy wasn’t slaughtered? 170 innocent people weren’t crippled?

What is Mr. Beck trying to cover up, exactly? It seems to me, my dear Mr. Lossarian, that you’re the one trying desperately to cover up a Leftist nightmare.

159 Dr. Matt  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:53:17am

re: #155 DisturbedEma

I second the ??????

Might be coming from this guy:

160 thedopefishlives  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:53:22am

Just because mainstream sources aren’t reliable, doesn’t mean we should start relying on sources of unknown reliability.

161 S'latch  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:53:28am

re: #151 Charles Johnson

Here it comes. Get ready for the noise.

162 RogueOne  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:53:30am
163 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:53:49am

Here we go.

164 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:53:53am

re: #158 Kurt Princeton

Beck is claiming the Saudi national that was cleared earlier is in fact involved.

You aren’t very good at the logic or paying attention thing.

165 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:54:12am

re: #158 Kurt Princeton

My Dear Mr. Lossarian - what, exactly, are you implying? That the Boston bombing didn’t actually happen? It was an evil fantasy hatched by FOX News to boost web hits? An eight year old boy wasn’t slaughtered? 170 innocent people weren’t crippled?

What is Mr. Beck trying to cover up, exactly? It seems to me, my dear Mr. Lossarian, that you’re the one trying desperately to cover up a Leftist nightmare.

C’mon Iossarian. Go Screwtape letters on him! :D

166 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:54:17am
167 Lidane  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:54:41am

re: #158 Kurt Princeton

What is Mr. Beck trying to cover up, exactly?

Reality, usually. Glenn Beck’s not very bright.

168 kirkspencer  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:56:02am

re: #152 kirkspencer

How does the sexual assault trial of Paul Patrick Serdula, in the rapes of 19 women to include 2 girls under the age of 16 fit your happy world view of the noble dentist anesthetist?

What, you can’t see the parallel? Things like “Who called the profession ‘noble’” and tarring an entire profession for one criminal who used the profession as his access?

Correction instead of edit.

169 DisturbedEma  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:56:16am

re: #158 Kurt Princeton

ummmm, what?

170 AlexRogan  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:56:16am

re: #158 Kurt Princeton

Man, your lack of reading comprehension is total FAIL.

Just a tip: before you fly off the handle at someone, attempt to understand what people are referencing first.

171 Lidane  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:56:17am
172 Dr. Matt  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:56:24am

re: #158 Kurt Princeton

What is Mr. Beck trying to cover up, exactly? It seems to me, my dear Mr. Lossarian, that you’re the one trying desperately to cover up a Leftist nightmare.

A “Leftist nightmare”? How so? Which “Leftists” were involved in the bombings? If they are indeed Muslim fundamentalists, then they are conservative by matter of definition.

173 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:56:31am

OK. What’s the economic impact on the US (and the World) of having Boston in lockdown while a massive manhunt goes on?

Obvious losses in Boston from people not being able to get to/from work, deliveries, etc. Rest of the US and the World from sitting at their devices following the updates.

174 Ojoe  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:57:09am

What a nightmare.

175 Awea  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:57:41am

Oh god, someone shut Kerry up…he is just droning on.

176 iossarian  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:57:46am

re: #158 Kurt Princeton

What is Mr. Beck trying to cover up, exactly?

Nothing. Beck is alleging a cover-up here, not doing the covering-up himself. Please pay attention.

It seems to me, my dear Mr. Lossarian, that you’re the one trying desperately to cover up a Leftist nightmare.

Excellent. Everything is going just as I planned.

*strokes white cat*

177 DisturbedEma  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:58:13am

re: #164 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

The one who found himself tagged and went in? I thought that was all done. Beck is STILL on that?

178 Ojoe  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:58:55am

re: #173 Feline Fearless Leader

The Britts tried to shut down Boston economically during the early days of the revolt against Geo. III, but it wasn’t really effective.

179 Stanley Sea  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:59:03am

re: #177 DisturbedEma

The one who found himself tagged and went in? I thought that was all done. Beck is STILL on that?

The one who was burned and in the hospital.

180 stabby  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:59:06am

re: #65 Interesting Times

.@magikarp424 no it isn’t. An abortion clinic bomber has no ideological or political or religious group who supports what they do.

say what? Never heard of the religious right that makes up 5/6 of the people who work at FOX News? Gaaa

I would give you an extra upding for the Pokemon name
Magicarp, splash attack!

181 iossarian  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 7:59:53am

Right wing logic:

A: A Muslim committed a terrorist act!
B: Liberals say that not all Muslims are ebil.
C: Sarah Palin.

Therefore…

D: LEFTIST COVER UP

182 iossarian  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:01:00am

I have so far resisted the urge to modify my screen name, but “Mr. Lossarian” has a certain ring to it.

183 DisturbedEma  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:01:51am

re: #176 iossarian

Weathermen/ Weather Underground reference with a side of Ayers in 3…2…1

184 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:01:51am

re: #182 iossarian

I have so far resisted the urge to modify my screen name, but “Mr. Lossarian” has a certain ring to it.

How about “Mr. Ernst Stavro Blofeld Lossarian”?

185 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:02:13am

re: #184 Dr Lizardo

How about “Mr. Ernst Stavro Blofeld Lossarian”?

Mr. U.R. Winnar Lossarian.

186 Tigger2005  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:02:14am

re: #128 Kurt Princeton

How does the murder trial of Kermit B. Gosnell, in the deaths of seven babies and a 41 year old grandmother fit your happy world view of the noble abortionist?

You can’t be serious. How does the conviction of Dennis Rader, aka The BTK Killer, for several acts of torture and murder fit in your happy world view of the noble, middle-class, church-going, Scoutmaster, family man?

How does the discovery that dozens of priests have raped and abused children fit in your happy world view of the noble, self-sacrificing, Godly servant of Christ?

187 DisturbedEma  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:02:15am

re: #179 Stanley Sea

Wow, the mind boggles…

188 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:02:20am

The next comment will be really out there. This one’s just getting started.

189 danarchy  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:02:23am

Re: #139

Hey, while you’re holding people accountable for the things they say…

You called someone a fucktard and implied they were attacking Muslims, when they were actually defending them. This was shitty behavior on your part, and it’s only getting worse that you refuse to acknowledge your mistake.

Stand up.

I think you are pissing in the wind here. He has ignored your last half dozen calls to man up and apologize, somehow I don’t think he is just missing them.

190 steve_davis  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:02:31am

re: #16 A Mom Anon

At this point they need to just go off the air and start running cat videos 24/7. It would be more useful and informative.

Idiots.

A cat poster with one cat hanging from a tree limb by a claw: “I haz epik fail as brodkatz journalist.”

191 thedopefishlives  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:02:50am

re: #188 Charles Johnson

The next comment will be really out there. This one’s just getting started.

Oh boy, a new plaything! I’ll get the grill, someone pass the claw sharpeners.

192 stabby  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:03:16am

re: #128 Kurt Princeton

How does the murder trial of Kermit B. Gosnell, in the deaths of seven babies and a 41 year old grandmother fit your happy world view of the noble abortionist?

I have never seen anyone write the phrase “noble abortionist” but I have heard this

Youtube Video
193 DisturbedEma  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:03:28am

re: #191 thedopefishlives

Getting the popcorn now…

194 Dr. Matt  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:03:54am
195 stabby  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:04:30am

re: #194 Dr. Matt

ha ha ha!

196 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:05:15am

re: #184 Dr Lizardo

How about “Mr. Ernst Stavro Blofeld Lossarian”?

Alphonz la Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho Lossarian.

197 Petero1818  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:05:20am

re: #194 Dr. Matt

ahhh noble caucasians///

198 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:05:44am

re: #196 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Alphonz la Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho Lossarian.

WIN.

199 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:05:52am

I sense furious typing going on.

200 DisturbedEma  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:05:57am

re: #194 Dr. Matt

What are they? Slavs? Hmm, heard that logic before…/

201 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:06:14am

re: #194 Dr. Matt

and they invented pressure cookers, also, too

202 steve_davis  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:06:15am

re: #30 Dr Lizardo

Personally, I would like to know was this just a Leopold and Lobe sort of thing, a thrill-kill, or was this some kind of half-baked attempt at “jihad”?

If the latter, I want to know where they radicalized and by whom.

Glenn Beck, Pam Geller……

203 Petero1818  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:06:20am

re: #199 Charles Johnson

I sense furious typing going on.

You mean you can see me?

204 DisturbedEma  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:06:33am

re: #199 Charles Johnson

or frantic googling/binging

205 stabby  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:06:53am

re: #199 Charles Johnson

typity type type type!

It’s funny because of the “typity”

206 erik_t  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:06:58am

re: #199 Charles Johnson

I sense furious typing going on.

This whole week has resulted in me typing while furious. So.

207 Lidane  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:09:15am
208 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:09:16am
209 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:09:18am

re: #202 steve_davis

Glenn Beck, Pam Geller……

Heh. Making radical jihadis is a feature, not a bug for those folks.

210 iossarian  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:09:26am

re: #192 stabby

I have never seen anyone write the phrase “noble abortionist” but I have heard this

[Embedded content]

The Old Dope Peddler… with his powdered ha-happiness!

211 Ojoe  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:09:56am

re: #201 Backwoods_Sleuth

The pressure cooker is a French invention.

212 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:10:00am

re: #30 Dr Lizardo

Personally, I would like to know was this just a Leopold and Lobe sort of thing, a thrill-kill, or was this some kind of half-baked attempt at “jihad”?

If the latter, I want to know where they radicalized and by whom.

I kinda wonder the same thing:

Richard Engel on MSNBC was saying just a moment ago that “intelligence officials” are talking about the Tsarnaeva brothers in the context of the Islamic Jihad Union, which is described by Engel — and, presumably, his sources — as “an al Qaeda affiliated organization.” At least, Engel says, his sources are starting to “look in that direction.” I have no doubt that the latter is true. On a morning like this one, it’s the job of intelligence officials to look in many directions. But, for the moment, and from a distance, I will tell you what this looks as much to me as it does to anything else.

It looks like Columbine.

It may be Columbine with a thin overlay of politics. It may be Columbine with Jihadist YouTube videos instead of rambling diaries. It may be Columbine extended over a greater geographical area. But, for the moment, it looks like a couple of young people who went completely off the twig and decided to kill a lot of people. I’m wary of speculating that they simply came under the spell of some YouTube mullah. I also am wary of believing the staggering amount of information dandelion fluff floating through the air from within various intelligence communities. (CNN just reported the speculations of a “senior official” in Kyrgyzstan about the passports of the two brothers.) Right now, all I’m willing to say is that a couple of deadly misfits went on a crime spree for reasons, likely, known only to them. Right now, it’s not an act of war. Right now, it’s a multiple murder.

213 Lidane  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:10:02am
214 Dr. Matt  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:11:12am

re: #211 Ojoe

The pressure cooker is a French invention.

And Wayne LaPierre is French! Where’s Alex Jones to make the connection!?!?!?!

215 erik_t  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:11:13am

re: #213 Lidane

@RightWingWatch Glenn Beck says Boston bombing may be the most important thing he has ever covered; our response will determine whether America survives.

MORE IMPORTANT THAN BENGHAZI!?

216 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:11:42am

re: #211 Ojoe

didn’t realize that my comment needed a snark tag…
I guess the old jokes are too obscure.

217 Stanley Sea  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:11:47am

re: #207 Lidane

TMZ (of course) has photos and info about his boxing career. Oh and his love of Hip Hop.

tmz.com

218 HappyWarrior  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:11:56am

re: #213 Lidane

The Beck who cried wolf. Sigh this fucking guy.

219 stabby  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:12:00am
Lehrer Comments: “[The Old Dope Peddler] was just intended as a takeoff on a certain genre of sentimental songs, like The Old Lamplighter and The Umbrella Man, which no one remembers any more. The idea was, it was only going to be funny if I took the most repulsive, antisocial character to write the song about. I thought about doing The Abortionist, but at that time you couldn’t even say that. The dope peddler was the second choice, so there it was.” — 1996 Interview

For comparison purposes, here are the lyrics to the two songs mentioned as inspiration for The Old Dope Peddler:

graeme.50webs.com

220 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:12:18am

re: #213 Lidane

I thought that according to Beck we had already been destroyed by one issue or another multiple times.
//

221 Lidane  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:12:39am

re: #218 HappyWarrior

The Beck who cried wolf. Sigh this fucking guy.

222 Ojoe  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:12:45am

The history and peaceful uses of the pressure cooker. In case you need a distraction from all this:

missvickie.com

223 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:12:46am

re: #212 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

I kinda wonder the same thing:

For the time being, that’s what I’m seeing as well. Columbine High School writ large.

224 Bulworth  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:13:11am

re: #213 Lidane

Will America Survive?!

Also, too: Buy Gold

225 DisturbedEma  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:13:15am

re: #221 Lidane

Sheesh- where’s the “spoiler alert”? Dammit…/

226 A Mom Anon  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:13:45am

re: #221 Lidane

Well good then. If it’s over then he can shut the fuck up now.

227 DisturbedEma  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:14:04am

re: #222 Ojoe

IIRC, Alton Brown is a HUGE fan of the pressure cooker, just saying…;)

228 stabby  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:14:11am

re: #221 Lidane

Let me know when Beck is over, god damn him!

229 HappyWarrior  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:14:15am

re: #221 Lidane

He declared America over after Obama won re-election too. Such a narcissistic little fuckwad.

230 Tigger2005  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:14:38am

re: #221 Lidane

Methinks Beck is trying to jack the price of gold back up.

231 thedopefishlives  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:14:47am

re: #227 DisturbedEma

IIRC, Alton Brown is a HUGE fan of the pressure cooker, just saying…;)

CNN reports an APB has been issued for a balding bespectacled white male with an affinity for cookware.

232 Awea  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:14:49am

re: #7 Randall Gross

This might be the account, not confirmed yet:

twitter.com

The Slate says its a fake.

Slate.com

233 Lidane  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:15:20am
234 HappyWarrior  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:15:24am

re: #230 Tigger2005

Methinks Beck is trying to jack the price of gold back up.

and get people to stockpile arms. He seems really eager to ferment destruction and chaos.

235 Ojoe  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:15:38am

re: #227 DisturbedEma

Well I’ve certainly made tasty dinners in them. They save fuel too.

236 DisturbedEma  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:15:43am

re: #231 thedopefishlives

I always thought he was a shifty sort…

237 Mattand  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:15:52am

re: #158 Kurt Princeton

My Dear Mr. Lossarian - what, exactly, are you implying? That the Boston bombing didn’t actually happen? It was an evil fantasy hatched by FOX News to boost web hits? An eight year old boy wasn’t slaughtered? 170 innocent people weren’t crippled?

What is Mr. Beck trying to cover up, exactly? It seems to me, my dear Mr. Lossarian, that you’re the one trying desperately to cover up a Leftist nightmare.

Christ, even for a Interent wingnut, you’re exceptionaly asshole-ish. Did you wander over here from Jim Hoft’s slime pit, by any chance?

238 thedopefishlives  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:16:05am

re: #236 DisturbedEma

I always thought he was a shifty sort…

He worked with the Mythbusters, how stable can he be?///

239 leftynyc  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:16:08am

re: #158 Kurt Princeton

My Dear Mr. Lossarian - what, exactly, are you implying? That the Boston bombing didn’t actually happen? It was an evil fantasy hatched by FOX News to boost web hits? An eight year old boy wasn’t slaughtered? 170 innocent people weren’t crippled?

What is Mr. Beck trying to cover up, exactly? It seems to me, my dear Mr. Lossarian, that you’re the one trying desperately to cover up a Leftist nightmare.

Leftist nightmare? These two were let into the country under a republican president. Let’s put his homeland security chief in the dock and find out why.

240 stabby  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:16:16am

re: #232 Awea

The Slate says its a fake.

Slate.com

OMG

241 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:16:19am

re: #234 HappyWarrior

and get people to stockpile arms. He seems really eager to ferment destruction and chaos.

and survival seeds, don’t forget the seeds!

242 DisturbedEma  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:16:33am

re: #235 Ojoe

If I admit to owning and operating one, will I be put on a watch list??

243 kirkspencer  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:16:39am

re: #230 Tigger2005

Methinks Beck is trying to jack the price of gold back up.

Well, yeah, because otherwise he’s negative on his investment. //

244 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:16:42am

re: #227 DisturbedEma

IIRC, Alton Brown is a HUGE fan of the pressure cooker, just saying…;)

I am curious what particular issues really set off those that have been radicalized by Alton Brown. Not letting your eggs warm to room temp before cooking with them? Not using enough butter or garlic? Poor quality vanilla extract?

O_o

245 HappyWarrior  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:16:45am

So I see that Grassley wants to limit immigration because of this. I wish I could say I was surprised but man how maddening considering one of the heroes of this tragedy is a naturalized Costa Rican-American.

246 Tigger2005  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:16:47am

re: #208 NJDhockeyfan

That sounds pretty ominous. What kind of arsenal did these guys have?

247 DisturbedEma  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:17:18am

re: #238 thedopefishlives

My 14 year old son loves that show- don’t worry, I’m keeping an eye on him:)

248 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:17:28am
249 DisturbedEma  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:18:34am

re: #244 Feline Fearless Leader

Indeed, the Foodie Fringe element is so complex and flavors are difficult to discern

250 Dr. Matt  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:19:00am
251 I Am Kreniigh!  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:19:03am

So would a joke about The Big Lebowski and ‘looking for a white Russian’ get thumbs up or down?

These things do occur to me, but it may be too soon.

252 Lidane  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:19:11am
253 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:19:25am

re: #117 DisturbedEma

I had a psych professor tell the class that “evil” was the result of a “biological misadventure” compounded by “environmental deficit”…I’m still not sure what he meant by that…

He’s right.

254 DisturbedEma  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:19:32am

re: #241 Backwoods_Sleuth

Sudden urge to record Doomsday Preppers…/

255 Tigger2005  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:20:01am

re: #224 Bulworth

Also, too: Buy Gold

Wonder what kind of response he’s looking for? Invading Checknya? Russia might not be too happy about that.

256 Ojoe  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:20:26am

re: #242 DisturbedEma

Probably not.

257 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:20:42am

re: #249 DisturbedEma

Indeed, the Foodie Fringe element is so complex and flavors are difficult to discern

This also makes me much more suspicious of Iron Chef: America. Alton Brown, pressure cookers, exotic ingredients, and constant recruitment of new “Iron Chefs”. What are they actually gathering a cadre for???
//

258 DisturbedEma  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:20:51am

re: #253 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

But what does it mean? I always thought he was saying nature and nurture are not mutually exclusive in explaining evil, but he would never confirm or correct me!

259 thedopefishlives  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:21:05am

re: #257 Feline Fearless Leader

This also makes me much more suspicious of Iron Chef: America. Alton Brown, pressure cookers, exotic ingredients, and constant recruitment of new “Iron Chefs”. What are they actually gathering a cadre for???
//

It’s a super-secret Foodie army that is intent on establishing Culinary Law.

260 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:21:50am

re: #259 thedopefishlives

It’s a super-secret Foodie army that is intent on establishing Culinary Law.

lock up all your virgin olive oil!

261 HappyWarrior  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:22:02am

re: #255 Tigger2005

Wonder what kind of response he’s looking for? Invading Checknya? Russia might not be too happy about that.

No idea but because Chechnya is part of the former USSR. He’s going to be just oozing to use the fact that it is a Muslim region and part of a formerly communist country. Of course, there are no indications that he’s a leftist but that hasn’t stopped Mr. I’ll call victims of one of the worst mass shootings to Hitler Youth.

262 stabby  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:22:06am

re: #253 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

“biological misadventure?”

… I’m tempted to quote Einstein dismissing something as uninteresting and say “that’s not even wrong”

Yes, all people are “biological” … what a deep insight.

263 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:22:23am
264 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:22:41am

re: #259 thedopefishlives

It’s a super-secret Foodie army that is intent on establishing Culinary Law.

And they also seem to report to this mysterious foreign “Chairman”. I smell conspiracy (and good eats). Where’s Alex Jones and Beck while this simmers under their noses?

265 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:22:53am

re: #263 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

LOL!

266 DisturbedEma  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:22:58am

re: #257 Feline Fearless Leader

The newer episodes have included liquid nitrogen as the culinary curve ball- I have no idea how that works in the kitchen. Prior to the cooking shows, the only thing I ever say it used for was to kill someone in an episode of X-Files

267 Lidane  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:23:42am

With all the bigots and wingnuts distracted by the events in Boston, this happened:

268 erik_t  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:23:44am

Robot strippers!

269 DisturbedEma  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:24:20am

re: #262 stabby

That was a quote from my former psych professor…

270 thedopefishlives  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:24:21am

re: #266 DisturbedEma

The newer episodes have included liquid nitrogen as the culinary curve ball- I have no idea how that works in the kitchen. Prior to the cooking shows, the only thing I ever say it used for was to kill someone in an episode of X-Files

Specialist training in murderous techniques! I KNEW IT!!!1!one

271 DisturbedEma  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:25:09am

re: #270 thedopefishlives

It’s always the quiet ones…

272 HappyWarrior  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:25:16am

re: #267 Lidane

With all the bigots and wingnuts distracted by the events in Boston, this happened:

Good for them.

273 Dr. Matt  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:25:24am

Police briefing happening right now:

rawstory.com

274 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:25:34am

The uncle is speaking to the media, and he’s pissed. Describes the two as “losers” and “being unable to settle themselves and resentful of those who’ve achieved success.”

275 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:25:58am

re: #267 Lidane

With all the bigots and wingnuts distracted by the events in Boston, this happened:

LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!

276 DisturbedEma  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:26:04am

re: #272 HappyWarrior

What about gay leaders?

277 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:26:22am

re: #271 DisturbedEma

It’s always the quiet ones…

Odd. I can completely see Bobby Flay as a crazed attacker.

278 RogueOne  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:26:25am

More from Niagra:

279 iossarian  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:26:57am

re: #276 DisturbedEma

What about gay leaders?

Presumably not yet, based on the article, but it’s only going to be a matter of time now.

280 S'latch  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:27:06am

I heard re: #273 Dr. Matt

They are still looking for “white hat.”

281 Ojoe  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:28:01am

re: #279 iossarian

That will take a lot longer, if ever, IMHO.

282 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:28:14am
283 DisturbedEma  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:28:44am

re: #279 iossarian

One step at a time, I guess, is better than standing still

284 abolitionist  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:30:04am

re: #230 Tigger2005

Methinks Beck is trying to jack the price of gold back up.

He could do that by buying some. /

285 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:30:06am

Man the suspect’s uncle sounds PISSED!

286 DisturbedEma  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:30:21am

re: #277 Feline Fearless Leader

Perhaps that is why he has a gazillion shows on at once- taking over the airwaves one brunch at a time

287 Ian G.  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:30:21am

re: #245 HappyWarrior

I wish I could say I was surprised but man how maddening considering one of the heroes of this tragedy is a naturalized Costa Rican-American.

Or maybe he’s just a jihadi who has been trained to ACT Costa Rican. Get Louie Gomer Gohmert on the case!

288 Awea  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:30:46am

re: #285 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Man the suspect’s uncle sounds PISSED!

Yeah, he is.

289 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:30:51am

re: #285 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Man the suspect’s uncle sounds PISSED!

Nah, he’s just Russian.

290 DisturbedEma  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:30:54am

re: #282 NJDhockeyfan

Having a Jon Bon Jovi moment now…

291 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:31:01am

re: #285 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Man the suspect’s uncle sounds PISSED!

An impassioned statement and I have no doubt whatsoever that he’s a good man. The kind of fellow I’d be happy to have as a neighbor.

292 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:31:20am

Well given that they came here and sought and were granted asylum (per the uncle) when will the wingnuts start going after our asylum program?

293 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:31:55am

re: #291 Dr Lizardo

Yeah. I feel bad for the guy having to deal with all of this. I feel bad for his family as well.

294 erik_t  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:31:57am

re: #282 NJDhockeyfan

Wish CNN would stop

Edited for generality.

295 Dr. Matt  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:32:03am

“White Hat” guy, “Black Hat” guy…..reminds me of this: Spy vs. Spy

296 Interesting Times  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:32:48am
297 iossarian  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:32:55am

re: #281 Ojoe

That will take a lot longer, if ever, IMHO.

I don’t know. Lots of things could happen. If, for example, a hard-core minority splinters off and forms the True Boys Scouts of Murica, for example, it could go quite quickly. Or it could take longer.

The point is that things are changing for the better, and all the signs are that they will continue to change. It didn’t get reported much what with the big events, but the Archbishop of Canterbury indicated yesterday that he supports civil partnerships for straight couples in the UK, essentially opening up the possibility of a fully-equivalent “married” status for gay and straight people there (i.e., the state has an equivalent status separate from individual church practice).

I actually think gay rights are advancing pretty quickly in the grand scheme of things at the moment, even though it can seem otherwise at a local level.

298 HappyWarrior  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:33:06am

re: #287 Ian G.

Or maybe he’s just a jihadi who has been trained to ACT Costa Rican. Get Louie Gomer Gohmert on the case!

Cue the sinister music.

299 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:33:14am

re: #293 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Yeah. I feel bad for the guy having to deal with all of this. I feel bad for his family as well.

I do as well. He said he wanted to meet with the relatives of those killed and injured, bend on one knee and beg forgiveness.

He’s a sincere man; of that I have no doubt whatsoever.

300 DisturbedEma  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:33:29am

re: #292 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

About the asylum issue; did the US grant that to refugees in the 1980s, to those who opposed the USSR?

301 Tigger2005  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:33:30am

re: #285 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Man the suspect’s uncle sounds PISSED!

What did he say? Is the statement posted somewhere?

302 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:33:41am

re: #298 HappyWarrior

Cue the sinister music.

Is there sinister banjo music?

303 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:34:04am
304 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:34:40am

re: #302 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Is there sinister banjo music?

Deliverance?

305 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:34:40am

BRYAN J FISCHER WINS THE BAG OF DICKS COMPETITIVE EATING CONTEST

306 DisturbedEma  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:34:46am

re: #300 DisturbedEma

Or is this related to the post USSR times?

307 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:35:10am

The uncle said this has nothing to do with Islam or Chechnya — these were just losers who hated and envied successful people.

308 HappyWarrior  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:35:14am

re: #299 Dr Lizardo

I do as well. He said he wanted to meet with the relatives of those killed and injured, bend on one knee and beg forgiveness.

He’s a sincere man; of that I have no doubt whatsoever.

That’s really admirable of him and a good reason why this shouldn’t turn into all Muslims or Chechens are like the Tsarnaev brothers.

309 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:35:52am

re: #301 Tigger2005

What did he say? Is the statement posted somewhere?

they were interviewing him on MSNBC (and other news orgs).

310 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:36:01am

re: #305 Vicious Babushka

BRYAN J FISCHER WINS THE BAG OF DICKS COMPETITIVE EATING CONTEST

Bryan must be conflicted. Chechen terrorists on the one hand, gay Boy Scouts on the other. What to do? WHAT TO DO?!

311 HappyWarrior  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:36:11am

re: #304 Feline Fearless Leader

Deliverance?

BEat me to it.

312 Sionainn  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:36:32am

re: #308 HappyWarrior

That’s really admirable of him and a good reason why this shouldn’t turn into all Muslims or Chechens are like the Tsarnaev brothers.

You called it yesterday that one of them was 19.

313 DisturbedEma  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:36:43am

re: #305 Vicious Babushka

It must be said- it is my understanding that um, this practice is not restricted to one particular sexual orientation.

314 HappyWarrior  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:36:43am

re: #310 Dr Lizardo

Bryan must be conflicted. Chechen terrorists on the one hand, gay Boy Scouts on the other. What to do? WHAT TO DO?!

Easy, deport all gay Chechen terrorist boy scouts. All zero of them.

315 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:37:03am

re: #308 HappyWarrior

That’s really admirable of him and a good reason why this shouldn’t turn into all Muslims or Chechens are like the Tsarnaev brothers.

Yes, and he was livid, and quite rightly so in my opinion. If that were my nephews, I’d be livid too.

316 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:37:19am

re: #258 DisturbedEma

But what does it mean? I always thought he was saying nature and nurture are not mutually exclusive in explaining evil, but he would never confirm or correct me!

He’s saying nature is necessary but not necessarily sufficient. Nature and nurture are not mutually exclusive in explaining anything.

317 Skip Intro  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:37:34am

re: #307 Charles Johnson

The uncle said this has nothing to do with Islam or Chechnya — these were just losers who hated and envied successful people.

Yeah, that’s really going to fly. It’s really going to get ugly here now.

318 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:37:37am

re: #307 Charles Johnson

The uncle said this has nothing to do with Islam or Chechnya — these were just losers who hated and envied successful people.

People saw “Worldview: Islam” freaked out and didn’t see “Priority: Money & Career”

319 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:38:09am

re: #314 HappyWarrior

Easy, deport all gay Chechen terrorist boy scouts. All zero of them.

LOL. There are days like this I thank God, or the FSM, or Great Chtulhu that I’m not Bryan Fischer.

320 DisturbedEma  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:38:11am

re: #316 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

Sure wish you could’ve been around while I was taking the class- I needed a psych whisperer:)

321 stabby  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:38:33am

re: #307 Charles Johnson

The uncle said this has nothing to do with Islam or Chechnya — these we’re just losers who hated and envied successful people.

Whatever their EMOTIONAL reason, emotions and actions tend to follow beliefs. IMO, for news you should always ask “what do people THINK” first, never “what do people FEEL”

322 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:38:41am
323 RadicalModerate  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:38:43am

re: #308 HappyWarrior

That’s really admirable of him and a good reason why this shouldn’t turn into all Muslims or Chechens are like the Tsarnaev brothers.

Do you really think that the screaming bigots are going to listen to someone who actually knows the perpetrators, or have they already made up their minds to demand Nuremberg Laws that would apply to all Muslims?

324 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:38:48am

re: #262 stabby

“biological misadventure?”

… I’m tempted to quote Einstein dismissing something as uninteresting and say “that’s not even wrong”

Yes, all people are “biological” … what a deep insight.

You missed the context, and by the sounds of things you missed the point.

325 Bulworth  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:38:50am

re: #267 Lidane

With all the bigots and wingnuts distracted by the events in Boston, this happened:

Will America survive this?!

326 Mattand  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:38:55am

re: #307 Charles Johnson

The uncle said this has nothing to do with Islam or Chechnya — these were just losers who hated and envied successful people.

Well, the good thing is that Jim Hoft, Pam Geller, Glenn Beck, et. al., will hear this and refrain from promoting Islamophobia to their audiences.

Wait, what?

327 DisturbedEma  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:39:39am

re: #322 Vicious Babushka

Blunt and necessary!

328 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:39:44am

re: #322 Vicious Babushka

Pretty stupidly defensive statement. Should have just stuck with sympathies.

329 Randall Gross  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:39:45am

re: #232 Awea

The Slate says its a fake.

Slate.com

Thanks for helping us stick to what’s real.

330 HappyWarrior  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:40:17am

re: #312 Sionainn

You called it yesterday that one of them was 19.

Yeah I couldn’t explain it but I just thought that the guy had the face of a teenager. An older one mind you but someone who looked underclassman in college aged more so than someone upperclassman or graduate age.

331 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:40:24am
332 DisturbedEma  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:40:25am

re: #324 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

I tried to clear it up so it wasn’t attributed to you…

333 Bulworth  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:40:30am

re: #307 Charles Johnson

Cue new wingnut meme of

Bombers were members of Occupied and welfare takers hating Producers and Job Creators

334 Dr. Matt  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:40:30am

re: #307 Charles Johnson

The uncle said this has nothing to do with Islam or Chechnya — these were just losers who hated and envied successful people.

LIES! That’s what Obamummer told him to say!

335 Skip Intro  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:40:31am

re: #326 Mattand

Well, the good thing is that Jim Hoft, Pam Geller, Glenn Beck, et. al., will hear this and refrain from promoting Islamophobia to their audiences.

Wait, what?

Geller’s had more orgasms this morning than she had in the last 20 years.

336 Stanley Sea  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:40:34am

re: #307 Charles Johnson

The uncle said this has nothing to do with Islam or Chechnya — these were just losers who hated and envied successful people.

Weird how they appear to be successful themselves. School, boxing, etc.

337 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:40:35am

re: #325 Bulworth

TEH AMERICA IZ DOOMED! BUY GOLD!1!

338 Mattand  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:41:31am

re: #328 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Pretty stupidly defensive statement. Should have just stuck with sympathies.

I can’t imagine how Kadyrov writes condolence cards: “Sorry your mother died, but it’s her fault she got the cancer in the first place.”

339 Interesting Times  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:41:32am

re: #328 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Pretty stupidly defensive statement. Should have just stuck with sympathies.

I don’t know if I can blame people for being defensive right about now…

340 BongCrodny  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:41:38am

re: #305 Vicious Babushka

BRYAN J FISCHER WINS THE BAG OF DICKS COMPETITIVE EATING CONTEST

Even after 40 years, I still remember my Scout motto as being “trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, kind, obedient, cheerful, thrifty, clean, brave and reverent.”

I don’t recall “anti-gay” being in there.

341 HappyWarrior  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:41:43am

re: #323 RadicalModerate

Do you really think that the screaming bigots are going to listen to someone who actually knows the perpetrators, or have they already made up their minds to demand Nuremberg Laws that would apply to all Muslims?

Of course not but when the majority of American people see that their uncle reached out to the victims’ and their families, maybe they won’t fall for that crap. Call me a dreamer.

342 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:41:55am

re: #332 DisturbedEma

I tried to clear it up so it wasn’t attributed to you…

Yah, I saw that thanks.

343 efuseakay  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:42:04am

Anyone else noticing that we aren’t hearing much about the older brother…

344 kirkspencer  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:42:13am

re: #336 Stanley Sea

Weird how they appear to be successful themselves. School, boxing, etc.

Actually, that was the younger brother. The older brother didn’t learn much english, didn’t apply himself, complained how nobody respected him … amazing how it echoes the batman killer and the columbine boys and a number of losers between them.

345 Gus  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:42:26am

WTF? So the white hat barbarian is dead?

346 Ian G.  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:42:42am

re: #339 Interesting Times

I don’t know if I can blame people for being defensive right about now…

Get me off this planet. I can’t deal with teh stoopid anymore.

347 Stanley Sea  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:42:44am

re: #343 efuseakay

Anyone else noticing that we aren’t hearing much about the older brother…

Check out tmz

tmz.com

348 DisturbedEma  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:43:05am

re: #328 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

I disagree, respectfully. In a sense these are homegrown terrorists. Maybe not Tea Party as I suspected, but raised here.

349 Gus  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:43:27am

re: #331 NJDhockeyfan

Fuck Anonymous and fuck all the moonbats that will be coming up with excuses for these scum bags today.

350 Stanley Sea  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:43:38am

re: #344 kirkspencer

Actually, that was the younger brother. The older brother didn’t learn much english, didn’t apply himself, complained how nobody respected him … amazing how it echoes the batman killer and the columbine boys and a number of losers between them.

No, the older brother was a boxer - see the tmz link.

351 DisturbedEma  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:43:38am

re: #331 NJDhockeyfan

ACK!!!!

352 stabby  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:43:47am

re: #324 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

I didn’t get the context, but I am aware that some kinds of evil, have some biological component in that:
1) both empathy and aggression have whole systems in the brain that support them
2) but just because we have an empathy SYSTEM (since we’re social animals) and an aggression SYSTEM isn’t that impressive, everything we do is supported by our biology
3) our BELIEFS are more important than our emotional subtrait in determining our perception and goals and therefor our actions, and that is 0% biology

353 iossarian  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:44:05am

re: #339 Interesting Times

I don’t know if I can blame people for being defensive right about now…

Yeah - if I were in that position I would totally take the: “um, your country glorifies ultra-violence as the solution to every slightest problem, so maybe pay attention to that before getting into the ‘furriners are bad’ thing again” line.

354 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:44:06am

re: #348 DisturbedEma

I disagree, respectfully. In a sense these are homegrown terrorists. Maybe not Tea Party as I suspected, but raised here.

Raised since when? My understanding is they’ve been here for five years.

355 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:44:34am

re: #339 Interesting Times

I don’t know if I can blame people for being defensive right about now…

Why would they bomb the Czech Republic? These kids are Chechen.

356 Gus  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:44:46am

...

357 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:45:07am

re: #353 iossarian

Really? If you were the leader of Chechnya you’d, rather than expressing sympathy for the US during this tragedy, immediately begin attacking US culture?

358 Mattand  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:45:18am

re: #356 Gus

So what’s the plan for today? Blame Republicans on these guys or make them out to be Teabaggers?

Seriously? Please tell me you simply forgot the sarc tags?

359 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:45:21am

re: #356 Gus

So what’s the plan for today? Blame Republicans on these guys or make them out to be Teabaggers?

Who are you talking to?

360 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:45:26am

Now wingnuts are Tweeting that hijacked Honda had a “Coexist” bumper sticker.

361 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:45:29am

re: #355 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

Why would they bomb the Czech Republic? These kids are Chechen.

It’s a common mistake. My ex-wife used to get it all the time when she’d visit the USA.

363 HappyWarrior  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:45:59am

re: #355 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

Why would they bomb the Czech Republic? These kids are Chechen.

I guess people hear Czech and Chechen think they must be the same. Sheesh.

364 S'latch  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:46:04am

re: #355 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

But, Sarah Palin told me that the Chechens are from the Czech Republic.

365 stabby  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:46:27am

re: #356 Gus

My plan is to poison wells, but that’s just me.

366 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:46:35am

DERP. STAY CLASSY ANN YOU PERFECT PERSON.

367 Mattand  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:46:40am

re: #362 Killgore Trout

The Sheikh Who May Have Influenced Boston’s Tsarnaev Brothers

You’re just dying for there to be some sort of Muslim terror angle to all of this, aren’t you?

368 DisturbedEma  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:46:41am

re: #335 Skip Intro

Mind Bleach please! Yuck but funny :)

369 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:47:07am

re: #362 Killgore Trout

The Sheikh Who May Have Influenced Boston’s Tsarnaev Brothers

None of the ‘social media profile’ stuff has been confirmed yet, though. So this is just more dumb media speculation.

370 Stanley Sea  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:47:08am

re: #367 Mattand

You’re just dying for there to be some sort of Muslim terror angle to all of this, aren’t you?

Geller Lite.

371 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:47:23am

re: #355 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

Why would they bomb the Czech Republic? These kids are Chechen.

MURCA!

372 DisturbedEma  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:47:48am

re: #354 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Ok, I must be using “old” information, or misinformation, I was under the impression that they were pre school aged when they came here

373 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:47:54am

Meanwhile, on the opposite side of the country:

374 stabby  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:47:55am

re: #366 Vicious Babushka

DERP. STAY CLASSY ANN YOU PERFECT PERSON.

Ha ha what that uncle said was perfect right wing bait. It worked! They’re attacking layabouts instead of just Muslims and immigrants!

375 Gus  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:47:58am

I’ll leave you folks to your denial game for the day. Later.

376 kirkspencer  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:48:10am

re: #348 DisturbedEma

I disagree, respectfully. In a sense these are homegrown terrorists. Maybe not Tea Party as I suspected, but raised here.

Legally - and in my opinion functionally - terrorism is a crime of intent. The goal must be more than simple urge to slaughter, revenge for perceive slights, or a cry to “respect my authoritie.”

It is a crime of violence, actual or threatened, that is intended to have a political impact through intimidation of a large number of people beyond the immediate victims.

Unless and until we find the political intent this is mass murder, not terrorism.

377 Kid A  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:48:22am
378 iossarian  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:48:23am

re: #357 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Really? If you were the leader of Chechnya you’d, rather than expressing sympathy for the US during this tragedy, immediately begin attacking US culture?

If I were the leader of Chechnya I’d have a life expectancy of about 5 minutes, for starters.

But US political leadership has already jumped immediately into “evil foreigners did this KEEP THEM OUT” mode. I don’t feel pushback is unreasonable.

379 kirkspencer  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:48:36am

re: #350 Stanley Sea

No, the older brother was a boxer - see the tmz link.

I stand (well, sit) corrected. Thank you.

380 erik_t  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:48:43am

re: #375 Gus

I’ll leave you folks to your denial game for the day. Later.

I’ll repeat the above: What the hell, Gus?

381 HappyWarrior  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:49:18am

re: #377 Kid A

Classy but knew shit like that was coming.

382 A Mom Anon  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:49:30am

re: #375 Gus

WTF?

383 DisturbedEma  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:49:43am

re: #363 HappyWarrior

I was just about to check myself on that, geography is not my strong suit, but I thought I was right on this…

384 Dr. Matt  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:49:50am

re: #354 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Raised since when? My understanding is they’ve been here for five years.

~12 years. There are reports that he arrived here in 2001. He’s 19 now, so he’s been here since he was ~7 yrs of age.

385 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:50:45am

re: #375 Gus

Que?

386 KernelPanic  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:50:50am

Scanner feed has been interesting. All morning talking about a older person seen with a trigger in his hand who is currently being stripped/groped by “… 4 robots on him ..”

387 stabby  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:50:56am

re: #375 Gus

I’ll leave you folks to your denial game for the day. Later.

He’s feeling like a victimized right winger. Mini flounce.

388 HappyWarrior  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:51:25am

re: #383 DisturbedEma

I was just about to check myself on that, geography is not my strong suit, but I thought I was right on this…

See you’re checking. Not everyone’s going to know their geography by heart. The people making threats to the Czechs on the other hand……….

389 Mattand  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:51:48am

re: #387 stabby

He’s feeling like a victimized right winger. Mini flounce.

Why? No one is here is blaming the brothers’ actions on conservatives/Republicans.

390 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:51:51am

I don’t give a shit why they did, only that they are caught/killed.

391 Kid A  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:51:52am

I hate this man:

392 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:51:59am
393 DisturbedEma  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:52:29am

re: #376 kirkspencer

I disagree and admit that I’m confused with your use of the term “intent” Are you seriously saying the bombing was an act of mass murder as a thrill kill? That the timing and placement were mere happenstance? I just want to be clear on your “intent” hypothesis

394 iossarian  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:52:37am

Get ready for the lunch. BBL.

Youtube Video
395 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:52:46am

re: #352 stabby

I didn’t get the context, but I am aware that some kinds of evil, have some biological component in that:
1) both empathy and aggression have whole systems in the brain that support them
2) but just because we have an empathy SYSTEM (since we’re social animals) and an aggression SYSTEM isn’t that impressive, everything we do is supported by our biology
3) our BELIEFS are more important than our emotional subtrait in determining our perception and goals and therefor our actions, and that is 0% biology

The professor’s point was that the tendency towards antisocial behaviour is rooted in genetics, whether a mis-wiring or an evolutionary adaptation no longer appropriate, that in most people isn’t physically expressed without external, environmental influences. Both the genetic and the environmental conditions have to be met for antisocial behaviour to dominate.

396 Olsonist  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:53:05am

mobile.twitter.com

Oh my.

397 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:53:19am

re: #384 Dr. Matt

And the older brother is a few years older than that. So they were both mostly raised in Chechnya.

It is way too early to talk about why they did this. If the older brother was in fact a radical Muslim, we need to know how he became that way. It may be that he was both radicalized but that the main instigation was what the Uncle said, that he was a misfit who was jealous and angry at others, like the Columbine kids. We don’t know, and any speculation now is of incredibly limited value.

And I find it offensive, when Americans have just died, for the Chechnyan president’s first instinct is to blame US society for it. As diplomacy, pretty much a failure.

398 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:53:27am

re: #391 Kid A

I hate this man:

YOU LIBRULZ ARE SO FULL OF INTOLERANCE AND HATE!!!1111!!!TY

399 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:53:57am

re: #375 Gus

I’ll leave you folks to your denial game for the day. Later.

WTF?

400 DisturbedEma  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:54:29am

re: #388 HappyWarrior

That particular region has had many name/governmental changes over the past decades post USSR- I thought I’d better be sure.

401 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:54:47am

re: #371 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

I guess education just doesn’t take with some people.

402 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:55:21am

re: #375 Gus

I’ll leave you folks to your denial game for the day. Later.

WTF?

403 kirkspencer  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:55:26am

re: #384 Dr. Matt

~12 years. There are reports that he arrived here in 2001. He’s 19 now, so he’s been here since he was ~7 yrs of age.

NYT says the family came in 2002 or 2003.

404 abolitionist  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:55:27am

re: #262 stabby

“biological misadventure?”

… I’m tempted to quote Einstein dismissing something as uninteresting and say “that’s not even wrong”

Yes, all people are “biological” … what a deep insight.

Not even wrong -wikipedia

The phrase not even wrong is generally attributed to theoretical physicist Wolfgang Pauli, who was known for his colorful objections to incorrect or sloppy thinking.

I don’t know whether Einstein adopted the phrase.

405 HappyWarrior  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:56:25am

re: #403 kirkspencer

NYT says the family came in 2002 or 2003.

He would have been 9 or 10. So he’s basically spent half his life here in the US but the other half in Chechnya.

406 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:56:38am

DERP

407 Dr. Matt  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:57:29am

re: #403 kirkspencer

re: #384 Dr. Matt
~12 years. There are reports that he arrived here in 2001. He’s 19 now, so he’s been here since he was ~7 yrs of age.

NYT says the family came in 2002 or 2003.

Ah. Cool. Thanks for the update. Adjust my estimates by 1 to 2 years.

408 geoffm33  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:57:44am

re: #405 HappyWarrior

He would have been 9 or 10. So he’s basically spent half his life here in the US but the other half in Chechnya.

I read the Uncle state they were born in kyrgyzstan, never been to Chechnya. Take with grain of salt, like everything else.

409 Tigger2005  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:58:03am

re: #390 Varek Raith

I don’t give a shit why they did, only that they are caught/killed.

That is kind of short-term thinking. Understanding “why” can 1) Perhaps help uncover a larger plot, and 2) Perhaps lead to policies that lessen the “why.”

410 HappyWarrior  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:58:11am

re: #400 DisturbedEma

That particular region has had many name/governmental changes over the past decades post USSR- I thought I’d better be sure.

Yeah, I can see why you got confused. I probably would too honestly a little if not for the fact of having been to the Czech Republic and having great grandparents from neighboring Slovakia.

411 erik_t  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:58:15am

Loading extra random twitter stuff is absolutely DESTROYING my ability to load this page. Can we pause for the duration of the Boston happenings, pleas?

412 Dr. Matt  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:58:32am

re: #375 Gus 802

I’ll leave you folks to your denial game for the day. Later.

What are we “denying”?

413 Bulworth  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:58:52am

re: #406 Vicious Babushka

So Laura goes to Mosques regularly? Or she’s just making shit up.

414 HappyWarrior  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:59:13am

re: #406 Vicious Babushka

DERP

How did she find that out? Did she poll them?

415 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:59:16am
416 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:59:21am

re: #413 Bulworth

So Laura goes to Mosques regularly? Or she’s just making shit up.

She’s reTweeting shit that Robert Spencer made up.

417 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:59:24am

re: #409 Tigger2005

That is kind of short-term thinking. Understanding “why” can 1) Perhaps help uncover a larger plot, and 2) Perhaps lead to policies that lessen the “why.”

No, meaning I don’t give a shit at this time. I’ll wait until the manhunt is over and all the info is in before giving a shit.
;)

418 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:59:41am

Mood swingin’ man.

419 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:59:42am

re: #367 Mattand

You’re just dying for there to be some sort of Muslim terror angle to all of this, aren’t you?

It seems unlikely that someone would have the foresight to create a youtube chanel with his name and post radical islamist videos in august of last year. Also the article notes that the bomb design is similar to the plans published in Al Qaeda’s Inspire magazine. Just looking at the available evidence.

420 HappyWarrior  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 8:59:47am

re: #415 Charles Johnson

Yeah I wish I had an AR-15 when there’s a madman out on the streets with a bomb. Totes.

421 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:00:00am

re: #410 HappyWarrior

Yeah, I can see why you got confused. I probably would too honestly a little if not for the fact of having been to the Czech Republic and having great grandparents from neighboring Slovakia.

I live here in the Czech Republic.

The most horrifying thing: my ex-wife being asked how she liked indoor toilets in the US. Because of course, only ‘Murica has indoor toilets.

*headdesk*

422 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:00:13am

re: #420 HappyWarrior

Yeah I wish I had an AR-15 when there’s a madman out on the streets with a bomb. Totes.

Don’t bring an AR-15 to a pressure cooker fight!

423 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:00:27am

re: #412 Dr. Matt

What are we “denying”?

That we will or are trying to pin the suspect’s actions on an affinity to the right wing, is my guess.

424 DisturbedEma  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:00:56am

re: #410 HappyWarrior

That is an advantage, you know, having actually been there. I’m a huge fan of first hand experience

425 Dr. Matt  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:01:07am

re: #349 Gus

Fuck Anonymous and fuck all the moonbats that will be coming up with excuses for these scum bags today.

Who exactly has come up with “excuses” for these murderers?

426 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:01:21am

re: #418 Charles Johnson

Mood swingin’ man.

That can be hard on a bloke.

427 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:01:38am

re: #419 Killgore Trout

It seems unlikely that someone would have the foresight to create a youtube chanel with his name and post radical islamist videos in august of last year.

Sometimes, two people have the same name.

What do you lose by actually waiting for facts rather than speculating? Earlier, you thought some random Pakistani(?) dude had something to do with this.

428 DisturbedEma  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:01:39am

re: #418 Charles Johnson

I can share my Estroven…

429 DelusionDeluge  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:01:45am

Nate Bell should come to Boston some day without a gun and say that.

430 Bulworth  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:01:49am

re: #366 Vicious Babushka

They immigrated as kids, Ann.

431 HappyWarrior  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:01:54am

re: #424 DisturbedEma

That is an advantage, you know, having actually been there. I’m a huge fan of first hand experience

Awesome country as I’m sure Dr. Lizardo will vouch. Only complaint is that it’s a little on the expensive side.

432 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:02:16am

Stupid media question of the day so far…

433 Tigger2005  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:02:33am

re: #396 Olsonist

mobile.twitter.com

Oh my.

I’m sure the police would be thrilled if this was happening in Arkansas and a bunch of trigger-happy civilians with assault rifles were out “volunteering” to help with the manhunt.

434 bratwurst  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:02:34am

re: #426 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

That can be hard on a bloke.

I think the vast majority of lizards are extremely empathetic…but nobody likes to have their empathy tested on such a regular basis.

435 DisturbedEma  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:02:42am

re: #422 Vicious Babushka

Oh SNAP! Upding-a-ling

436 RogueOne  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:02:52am

Not sure if this is the definition of irony….

437 HappyWarrior  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:03:11am

re: #432 NJDhockeyfan

Stupid media question of the day so far…

Someone asked Nikita Khruschev’s son that when I saw him speak about Sputnik. The man had been living and teaching in the US and at the US Navy war college in Newport for years too. Can’t believe the uncle’s actually being asked that.

438 Bulworth  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:03:19am

re: #415 Charles Johnson

Derp

439 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:03:45am

re: #431 HappyWarrior

Awesome country as I’m sure Dr. Lizardo will vouch. Only complaint is that it’s a little on the expensive side.

It depends on where you are. Prague and surrounding environs can be pricey; once you get away from there, it’s actually quite inexpensive.

One time I tried, as an experiment, to see how little I could live on for one month. Rent, food, internet, utilities, and entertainment came to $488 for one month.

440 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:04:07am

re: #434 bratwurst

I think the vast majority of lizards are extremely empathetic…but nobody likes to have their empathy tested on such a regular basis.

I think Gus has mood swings like I do. Mine are ameliorated by meds, but I don’t think Gus has that help.

441 Randall Gross  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:04:10am

re: #419 Killgore Trout

and that account could be name changed from another account like the fake twitter feed was.

442 Dr. Matt  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:04:24am

re: #423 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

That we will or are trying to pin the suspect’s actions on an affinity to the right wing, is my guess.

Is Gus pulling a Dennis Miller and “switching sides” following a disaster?

443 kirkspencer  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:04:35am

re: #393 DisturbedEma

I disagree and admit that I’m confused with your use of the term “intent” Are you seriously saying the bombing was an act of mass murder as a thrill kill? That the timing and placement were mere happenstance? I just want to be clear on your “intent” hypothesis

Yes, the bombing - an act of mass murder - may have been a thrill kill.

See the cases of the batman movie killer, or the boys at columbine. For that matter any of several serial or mass murderers.

The key thing that turns mass murders into terrorism is whether they’re intended to sway political opinion. Are they intended to persuade, through fear or vicarious support, a change in law or political behavior?

Abortion bombers are terrorists because they intend to overturn the existing law, if not de jure then de facto, making abortions unavailable. ELF bombs and attacks are intended to force people to not harvest natural resources - lumber, fishing, etc. Major Nisal was a terrorist because his attacks were in specific furtherance of the al Qaeda aim of destruction of our nation through fear.

Adam Lanza was not a terrorist. Neither were James Holmes or Scott Dekraai.

444 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:05:48am

re: #442 Dr. Matt

Is Gus pulling a Dennis Miller and “switching sides” following a disaster?

I don’t think so.

445 Sionainn  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:05:56am

re: #373 Vicious Babushka

Meanwhile, on the opposite side of the country:

That’s right near my SIL’s place.

446 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:07:20am

re: #445 Sionainn

That’s right near my SIL’s place.

Are you saying she’s a bad driver?

447 Sionainn  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:07:24am

re: #375 Gus

I’ll leave you folks to your denial game for the day. Later.

WTF?

448 kirkspencer  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:07:44am

re: #440 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

I think Gus has mood swings like I do. Mine are ameliorated by meds, but I don’t think Gus has that help.

Don’t forget he had a major ankle injury recently as well. I’m a few weeks behind him in the injury field but I can tell you there are days…

449 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:08:21am

re: #419 Killgore Trout

It seems unlikely that someone would have the foresight to create a youtube chanel with his name and post radical islamist videos in august of last year. Also the article notes that the bomb design is similar to the plans published in Al Qaeda’s Inspire magazine. Just looking at the available evidence.

It is not confirmed that this is the suspect’s YouTube account.

450 HappyWarrior  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:08:30am

re: #439 Dr Lizardo

It depends on where you are. Prague and surrounding environs can be pricey; once you get away from there, it’s actually quite inexpensive.

One time I tried, as an experiment, to see how little I could live on for one month. Rent, food, internet, utilities, and entertainment came to $488 for one month.

Yeah I was only in Prague and that surrounding area. Glad other parts aren’t as expensive. I really would like to go back.

451 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:08:57am

re: #448 kirkspencer

Don’t forget he had a major ankle injury recently as well. I’m a few weeks behind him in the injury field but I can tell you there are days…

Gus has a lot of shit on his plate right now that’s making things really tough.

452 DisturbedEma  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:09:32am

re: #443 kirkspencer

Yes, the bombing - an act of mass murder - may have been a thrill kill.

See the cases of the batman movie killer, or the boys at columbine. For that matter any of several serial or mass murderers.

The key thing that turns mass murders into terrorism is whether they’re intended to sway political opinion. Are they intended to persuade, through fear or vicarious support, a change in law or political behavior?

Abortion bombers are terrorists because they intend to overturn the existing law, if not de jure then de facto, making abortions unavailable. ELF bombs and attacks are intended to force people to not harvest natural resources - lumber, fishing, etc. Major Nisal was a terrorist because his attacks were in specific furtherance of the al Qaeda aim of destruction of our nation through fear.

Adam Lanza was not a terrorist. Neither were James Holmes or Scott Dekraai.

But, until the facts are known about the Boston Bombers- how can you say there was no political “intent”? By what information do you claim this as a mass murder/thrill kill?

453 makeitstop  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:10:26am

re: #345 Gus

WTF? So the white hat barbarian is dead?

I thought Black Hat was the one who got killed early this morning.

454 Killgore Trout  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:10:43am

re: #441 Randall Gross

and that account could be name changed from another account like the fake twitter feed was.

That’s certainly possible, if it’s a fake account we’ll hear about it soon enough but I see no reason to sit around completely baffled as to what the possible motives might be when we have possible evidence to look at and consider.

455 Timothy Watson  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:10:59am

That fraking idiot on CBS just said that Chechnya is an Islamic Republic. What the frak? Do these news people know anything about anything?

456 kirkspencer  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:11:20am

re: #452 DisturbedEma

But, until the facts are known about the Boston Bombers- how can you say there was no political “intent”? By what information do you claim this as a mass murder/thrill kill?

Until the facts are known, how can you say there WAS political intent?

Absent the intent, it is not terrorism.

457 erik_t  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:11:34am

re: #454 Killgore Trout

That’s certainly possible, if it’s a fake account we’ll hear about it soon enough but I see no reason to sit around completely baffled as to what the possible motives might be when we have possible evidence to look at and consider.

You should send a resume to CNN.

458 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:11:41am

re: #421 Dr Lizardo

I live here in the Czech Republic.

The most horrifying thing: my ex-wife being asked how she liked indoor toilets in the US. Because of course, only ‘Murica has indoor toilets.

*headdesk*

Up here in Canuckistan we build out-igloos for our toilets, which are made of ice. You have no idea how hard it is to get an ice toilet to flush.

459 erik_t  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:12:48am

re: #458 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

Up here in Canuckistan we build out-igloos for our toilets, which are made of ice. You have no idea how hard it is to get an ice toilet to flush.

I bet it keeps the smell down!

460 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:13:00am

@AdrianChen says this is the suspect’s real Twitter account:

twitter.com

Looks very likely. Profile pics match:

461 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:13:42am

re: #422 Vicious Babushka

Don’t bring an AR-15 to a pressure cooker fight!

The only think that stops a bad guy with a pressure cooker is a good guy with a pressure cooker.

I know not with which weapons World War 3 will be fought, but World War 4 will be fought with skillets and woks.

462 aagcobb  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:13:44am

re: #54 A Mom Anon

I really wish we could have a national discussion about the WHY of all this. How do people end up so disenfranchised and isolated and angry? Where does that hurt come from and is there something any of us could do to promote closer and more empathetic communities?

My son is the same age as the kid they’re looking for right now. My son has been ostracized and alienated at the hands of his peers but he’s still not so angry he wants to hurt others. Is it because his dad and I are unwavering in our support of him(unless he’s in the wrong)? Is it because he’s managed to find pretty healthy outlets for the inevitable energy overload a 19 yr old kid has sometimes? What did we do different than this kid’s parents did? Or did we do anything different at all? And is all this maybe a clue that we should start the process of bringing our communities closer somehow? I don’t know, but it would be nice to cut through all the shit and start banding together and working the hell out of this problem because I don’t think it’s going to get better until we do.

The problem is that there are some fucked up dangerous memes out there, like jihadism on the one hand and “sovreign citizenship” on the other, and if your brain gets infected by one of them it can make you very dangerous. One of the bad side effects of the information age is how easily these memes can be spread to receptive minds.

463 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:14:01am

re: #454 Killgore Trout

That’s certainly possible, if it’s a fake account we’ll hear about it soon enough but I see no reason to sit around completely baffled as to what the possible motives might be when we have possible evidence to look at and consider.

Oh, then let’s explain it: The reason to ‘sit around’ is because it stops you from jumping to useless conclusions, and since none of us are going to actually do anything with the information, we lose nothing by waiting for accuracy instead of speculating. In general, you criticize the media for inaccuracy, and yet you’re more than willing to, likewise, start the speculation before the facts are in.

Nothing at all is lost to us by waiting for clarity. Nothing.

464 DisturbedEma  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:14:19am

re: #456 kirkspencer

My confession here was that I believed it was the act of a member of the Tea Party, given the location, date and event. I was mistaken. I’m leaning toward some sort of political rationale for these actions, but given the massive amount of misinformation since the bombing, I’m taking the wait and see approach.

465 aagcobb  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:15:36am

re: #421 Dr Lizardo

I live here in the Czech Republic.

The most horrifying thing: my ex-wife being asked how she liked indoor toilets in the US. Because of course, only ‘Murica has indoor toilets.

*headdesk*

My grandparents still used an outhouse right here in ‘Murica when I was a kid.

466 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:16:21am

re: #459 erik_t

I bet it keeps the smell down!

True. Mind you poopsicles can be tough to wipe.

467 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:16:31am

MASSIVE ALEX JONES FREAKOUT COMING:

468 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:16:41am
469 TDG2112  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:17:38am

re: #449 Charles Johnson

It is too early to say what the motives and all are. But it isn’t looking good. The current Chechen insurgency is led by a guy calling for world Jihad. Additionally, many Chechens are in places like Syria and Iraq as foreign fighters.


guardian.co.uk

However, why they would stage their first attack outside Russia in the US is very puzzling. The west and the US Public mostly had sympathy for the Chechen cause for independence . Or at least I thought it did.

470 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:19:29am

Creepy

471 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:19:51am

re: #465 aagcobb

My grandparents still used an outhouse right here in ‘Murica when I was a kid.

I lived with my grandparents in a small town for two years as a kid. We had no running water but there was an outhouse and an indoor outhouse that looked like a normal bathroom except for the toilet. The toilet was a large pail inside another pail with a lid and an exhaust pipe going through the ceiling.

472 Randall Gross  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:20:14am

re: #454 Killgore Trout

So rather than being baffled you’d rather propagate potential misinformation?

I don’t care what the purported motive is in the end, I’m still going to be baffled as to why humans do evil things to strangers. Maybe you in your all seeing wisdom has a good grip on that, but I sure don’t.

473 DisturbedEma  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:20:17am

I don’t blame him

474 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:20:27am

This is a page I made about aSomethingawful thread written by a friend of Martin, the 8 year old victim of these attacks.

littlegreenfootballs.com

Remembering victims is important.

475 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:20:29am

re: #328 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

That guy is evil personified. Probably a psychopath:

In 2009, Kadyrov stated his approval of honor killings, based on the belief that women are the property of their husbands.

The Kadyrovites are often accused of working as a death squad against Kadyrov’s enemies. Ramzan is rumoured to own a private prison in his stronghold of Tsentoroi, his home village south-east of Grozny. Fields around Tsentoroi are allegedly mined and all access routes are blocked by checkpoints. On 2 May 2006, representatives of the Council of Europe’s Committee for the Prevention of Torture (CPT) alleged that they were prevented from entering the fortress.

On 13 November 2006, Human Rights Watch published a briefing paper on torture in Chechnya that it had prepared for the 37th session of the United Nations Committee Against Torture. The paper covered torture by personnel of the Second Operational Investigative Bureau (ORB-2), torture by units under the effective command of Ramzan Kadyrov, torture in secret detentions and the continuing “disappearances”. According to HRW, torture “in both official and secret detention facilities is widespread and systematic in Chechnya”. In many cases the perpetrators were so confident that there would be no consequences for their abuses that they did not even attempt to conceal their identity. Based on extensive research, HRW concluded in 2005 that forced disappearances in Chechnya are so widespread and systematic that they constitute crimes against humanity.

Kadyrov has been personally implicated in several instances of torture and murder. A number of Chechens opposed to Kadyrov have been assassinated abroad, and several witnesses (including Artur Kurmakaev and Ruslan Khalidov) report the existence of a 300-name “Murder List”. Chechens who have been murdered, where Kadyrov’s involvement is suspected, include Movladi Baisarov and Ruslan Yamadaev (both Moscow); Sulim Yamadaev (Dubai); Gazhi Edilsutanov, Islam Dzahnibekov, Ali Osaev (Istanbul); and Umar Israilov (Vienna)

Following a car accident in December 2005, in which Chechnya’s prime minister Sergey Abramov was injured, Ramzan functioned as the caretaker prime minister. He immediately proceeded to implement elements of Sharia law, such as declaring a ban on gambling and alcohol production, while speaking in favour of polygamy.

In February 2006, responding to the publication of the Mohammed cartoons, he accused the Danes of “spying” and being “pro-terrorist”. He also banned Danish citizens from entering Chechnya, effectively banning activity of the Danish Refugee Council, the largest NGO working in the region. Kadyrov is quoted as saying, “That cartoonist needs to be buried alive.” He was eventually pressed to overturn this decision by Moscow, a rare example of federal intervention in Kadyrov’s rule in the republic.

476 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:20:59am

re: #469 TDG2112

There’s no evidence at this point that they were part of a Chechen terrorist group.

477 Stanley Sea  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:21:51am

Knew someone had to.

478 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:22:08am

re: #469 TDG2112

It is too early to say what the motives and all are. But it isn’t looking good. The current Chechen insurgency is led by a guy calling for world Jihad. Additionally, many Chechens are in places like Syria and Iraq as foreign fighters.

guardian.co.uk

However, why they would stage their first attack outside Russia in the US is very puzzling. The west and the US Public mostly had sympathy for the Chechen cause for independence .

I think these guys acted alone for reasons of their own.

479 aagcobb  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:23:08am

re: #472 Randall Gross

So rather than being baffled you’d rather propagate potential misinformation?

I don’t care what the purported motive is in the end, I’m still going to be baffled as to why humans do evil things to strangers. Maybe you in your all seeing wisdom has a good grip on that, but I sure don’t.

Humans have a near infinite capacity for rationalization. Evil doers almost universally believe they are doing good.

480 Mike Lamb  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:23:17am

re: #415 Charles Johnson

And if they had an AR-15, I’d guess the odds of getting killed by police increase by about 50%.

481 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:23:44am

re: #478 Vicious Babushka

I think these guys acted alone for reasons of their own.

Since I am always wrong when it comes to this stuff, I’m going to abstain.
Or maybe wear a mental condom.

482 kwb2003  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:23:45am

Weren’t Keystone Kops running this investigation? We were assured of this by media giant Pam Gellar and others.

483 kirkspencer  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:23:51am

re: #454 Killgore Trout

That’s certainly possible, if it’s a fake account we’ll hear about it soon enough but I see no reason to sit around completely baffled as to what the possible motives might be when we have possible evidence to look at and consider.

possible? Meaning we don’t know if it’s evidence, meaning

“Hey, let’s run rampant with wild speculation!”

??

484 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:24:08am

Heh

485 darthstar  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:24:14am

Shit’s going down in bean town.

Listened to the uncle on the way to work…sadly, his pleas for the US Media to NOT turn this into a story about radical Islam will go ignored. But a great and passionate statement from him.

486 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:24:43am

re: #458 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

Up here in Canuckistan we build out-igloos for our toilets, which are made of ice. You have no idea how hard it is to get an ice toilet to flush.

LOL.

My ex-wife’s response to that comment as we were walking away was “Do Americans think the rest of the world lives in the trees or something? Do Americans really believe they’re the only civilized nation in the world? WTF is wrong with people over here?!”

487 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:24:47am
488 Kurt Princeton  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:25:17am

re: #99 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

That’s really not much of an explanation.

Sometimes the truth is just that simple.

489 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:25:31am
490 blueraven  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:25:34am

re: #375 Gus

I’ll leave you folks to your denial game for the day. Later.

WTH Gus?

You go off to the twitterverse until you get your fill of wingnuts and moonbats, then you come to LGF and assign those thoughts to people here.

That’s fucked up.

491 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:26:13am

I forgot that’s CNN, need confirmation.

492 Sionainn  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:26:16am

re: #473 DisturbedEma

I don’t blame him

Poor kid. I’d be terrified, too.

493 Timothy Watson  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:26:53am

re: #484 NJDhockeyfan

CNN gave up on the whole “news” thing when they hired Nancy Grace for Headline News.

494 makeitstop  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:27:14am

re: #489 Vicious Babushka

After bombing, suspect Dzhokar Tsarnaev apparently tweeted, “Ain’t no love in the heart of the city.”

A Whitesnake fan?? Now I’ve heard everything.

495 DisturbedEma  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:27:17am

re: #492 Sionainn

And I can’t help but think about all of the wild rumors…I mean “initial reports” that put this kid in the spot he’s in…

496 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:27:48am

re: #486 Dr Lizardo

LOL.

My ex-wife’s response to that comment as we were walking away was “Do Americans think the rest of the world lives in the trees or something? Do Americans really believe they’re the only civilized nation in the world? WTF is wrong with people over here?!”

Somewhat a centre of the universe syndrome. We have people coming from Toronto surprised at our urban settings. They think all Saskatchewanians live in Corner Gas.

497 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:28:16am

re: #488 Kurt Princeton

Sometimes the truth is just that simple.

I think evil people exist. That still doesn’t give us any information about how they become evil. Unless you think they start out as evil babies, it’s really not useful to say “because they’re evil”.

498 Mike Lamb  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:28:22am

By the way, an aunt of the bombers corroborated what the uncle said re: living in Chechnya (NPR interview). Apparently, they lived in Kyrgyzstan most of the time and spent little, if any, time in Chechnya. I was a little confused, but I think she said that the older one had a Christian wife.

499 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:28:38am

re: #489 Vicious Babushka


CNN isn’t even trying anymore…

500 DisturbedEma  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:28:54am

re: #494 makeitstop

There’s a Tawny Kitaen reference in there somewhere…I can’t find it!

501 abolitionist  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:28:56am

IMO, some news media are being horribly irresponsible by airing footage of the homes of people they are interviewing.

502 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:28:58am

re: #488 Kurt Princeton

Sometimes the truth is just that simple.

By the looks of things you aren’t on speaking terms with ‘truth’.

503 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:28:59am

re: #496 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

Somewhat a centre of the universe syndrome. We have people coming from Toronto surprised at our urban settings. They think all Saskatchewanians live in Corner Gas.

Because you do!
;)

504 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:30:16am

re: #493 Timothy Watson

CNN gave up on the whole “news” thing when they hired Nancy Grace for Headline News.

She’s still on TV?

505 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:30:22am

re: #498 Mike Lamb

That about fits. It is likely many Chechens were pushed out by the war.

506 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:30:58am

re: #503 Varek Raith

Because you do!
;)

Shhh.

507 Dr. Matt  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:31:36am

Nothing says “responsible gun owner” like walking around with an AR-15 in a city that is on lockdown searching for a terror suspect.

508 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:31:47am

re: #496 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

Somewhat a centre of the universe syndrome. We have people coming from Toronto surprised at our urban settings. They think all Saskatchewanians live in Corner Gas.

I used to have relatives in Wadena. They’ve all passed away over the years; last time I was up there would’ve been 20-odd years ago.

I recall Saskatoon and Regina…..not bad places at all.

Oh, and Moose Jaw.

509 kwb2003  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:32:33am

re: #504 NJDhockeyfan

Yup. She’s doing the Jodi Arias trial 24/7. I know because my wife watches it every day. Some of us have to live in our own special Purgatory.

510 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:33:54am

re: #509 kwb2003

Yup. She’s doing the Jodi Arias trial 24/7. I know because my wife watches it every day. Some of us have to live in our own special Purgatory.

God bless you man. I have a wood working shop in the backyard for such events.

511 stabby  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:35:27am

re: #452 DisturbedEma

But, until the facts are known about the Boston Bombers- how can you say there was no political “intent”? By what information do you claim this as a mass murder/thrill kill?

There’s a third possibility, that they did this for mystical purposes.

512 wrenchwench  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:38:26am

re: #488 Kurt Princeton

Sometimes the truth is just that simple.

More often, statements like yours are too simple to have any meaning, yet are used to perpetrate an agenda.

513 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:38:36am

re: #508 Dr Lizardo

I used to have relatives in Wadena. They’ve all passed away over the years; last time I was up there would’ve been 20-odd years ago.

I recall Saskatoon and Regina…..not bad places at all.

Oh, and Moose Jaw.

If you haven’t been here in 20 years, you didn’t see Saskatoon’s growth. Regina has grown, but nowhere near as much. Moose Jaw is still Moose Jaw, and the giant moose is still standing guard.

514 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:45:52am

re: #513 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

If you haven’t been here in 20 years, you didn’t see Saskatoon’s growth. Regina has grown, but nowhere near as much. Moose Jaw is still Moose Jaw, and the giant moose is still standing guard.

The next time back into that part of the Northern Hemisphere, I’ll have to check it out.

Ahh, Moose Jaw. Nice to know some things never change.

515 kwb2003  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:46:30am

re: #510 NJDhockeyfan

Unfortunately, my wife expects me to keep her company while she that and Univision. Thank The Lord for my i phone. (at least Univision has hot women on it even if I can’t understand what they’re saying).

516 biorabbi  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:50:26am

re: #472 Randall Gross

They may do evil to strangers because they are insane, or they have an operating ideology that distinguishes both themselves and their victims into two distinct groups…. religion, wealth, politics in an extreme manner. It is very important to now why they do evil to strangers. Innocent children have been injured and murdered as have police officers, a student, a young woman. I would argue it is vital to understand the motivation.

While it is evil to target and vilify Islam and its adherents and to harass or persecute them; It is also dead wrong to bury one’s head in the sand and ignore religious inspired murder(if this turns out to be this) of innocent Americans.

517 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:55:06am

re: #395 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

The professor’s point was that the tendency towards antisocial behaviour is rooted in genetics, whether a mis-wiring or an evolutionary adaptation no longer appropriate, that in most people isn’t physically expressed without external, environmental influences. Both the genetic and the environmental conditions have to be met for antisocial behaviour to dominate.

This is the position of Robert Hare (the developer of the Hare Psycopathy checklist): that certain people are born with a tendency toward antisocial behavior, which can be alleviated by good parenting but which, in the absence of good parenting, leads toward psychopathy.

And to stabby: if you think that beliefs are 0% biological, you might want to consult your neighborhood paranoid schizophrenic for another perspective.

518 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 9:57:11am

re: #408 geoffm33

I read the Uncle state they were born in kyrgyzstan, never been to Chechnya. Take with grain of salt, like everything else.

I read Dagestan somewhere, I think in an AP story.

519 Randall Gross  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 10:03:13am

Who’s burying their head? I’m an empiricist, I like facts. In my book all terrorists except the leaders are insane. All thrill killers are insane. No terrorist exists in a vacuum. But of course if you had paid attention the last 7 years you might realize that about me and not make silly ostrich accusations.

520 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 10:08:58am

re: #516 biorabbi

Nobody is ignoring that they might be radical Muslims.

521 AlexRogan  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 10:25:21am

re: #375 Gus

WTH are you babbling about, man?

Maybe you should take a couple of hours away the keyboard and TV and just decompress, maybe drink a relaxing beverage; all of this shit this week is enough to make anyone’s brain overload.

522 AlexRogan  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 10:28:19am

re: #415 Charles Johnson


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