Boston Bombing Updates: Watertown Lock-Down

One desperate suspect still on the loose
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The Boston Globe has the latest details — Watertown is in lock-down at this point: Search for Marathon Bombing Suspect Locks Down Watertown, Surrounding Communities.

Bombing suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev

WATERTOWN — With nearly a million residents of the Boston area hunkering down behind locked doors, heavily armed police are making their way through a 20-block area of this community, searching for one of the suspects in the deadly Boston Marathon terror bombings.

Colonel Timothy Alben, head of the State Police, said in a news conference shortly after 12:30 p.m. that there had been “no apprehension at this point,” but said the situation was changing moment by moment.

Local, state, and federal law enforcement officers, including the Secret Service, are undertaking a door-to-door search of the area in Watertown. K-9 teams, explosives experts, and SWAT officers are involved, said State Police spokesman David Procopio. Alben said the search was about 60 percent complete.

Authorities cannot rule out the possibility that the suspect is wearing an explosive vest, Procopio said.

[…]

The dead suspect is Tsarnaev’s brother, a source said. Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is a native of Kyrgyzstan, the Kyrgyz state news agency said. He was studying at the University of Massachusetts Dartmouth, university officials said.

Alben alerted the public that there would be a controlled explosion by bomb experts this afternoon on Norfolk Street in Cambridge, where the two brothers lived. The explosions would make it safer for investigators combing through the home, he said.

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236 comments
1 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:51:36pm
2 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:53:26pm

re: #1 NJDhockeyfan

That made me laugh - I can visualize that like something out of a Hanna-Barbera cartoon.

3 erik_t  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:53:52pm
Colonel Timothy Alben, head of the State Police, said in a news conference shortly after 12:30 p.m. that there had been “no apprehension at this point,”

Colonel, I might observe that there’s quite a lot of apprehension at this point.

4 Charleston Chew  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:55:08pm

Cops looking for: 1995 Grey Honda odyssey MA plates: 93nn73

5 thedopefishlives  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:56:12pm

re: #4 Charleston Chew

Cops looking for: 1995 Grey Honda odyssey MA plates: 93nn73

They’ve been looking for a lot of cars. Is he car-hopping?

6 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:57:13pm

So, the brothers, again I need help, are/were they students somewhere?

working, what were their lives like?

7 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:58:41pm

re: #6 FemNaziBitch

So, the brothers, again I need help, are/were they students somewhere?

working, what were their lives like?

It’s too early for a clear picture. Patience.

8 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:58:54pm

re: #6 FemNaziBitch

So, the brothers, again I need help, are/were they students somewhere?

working, what were their lives like?

I’ve seen very mixed reports of students, part-time for the older, UMass-Dartmouth for the younger (?) but my level of trust for any news source right now is pretty much nil.

I am instead choosing to think about potential meals as I try to plan a menu for the week.

9 A Mom Anon  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:59:36pm

re: #6 FemNaziBitch

I have heard a bunch of things about the both of them so I have no idea what’s true and what isn’t. The one thing I have heard over and over is that the youngest one was a student, but I’ve heard Dartmouth,MIT and one more school I can’t remember.

10 danarchy  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 12:59:59pm

re: #6 FemNaziBitch

So, the brothers, again I need help, are/were they students somewhere?

working, what were their lives like?

The younger one is a student at Umass Dartmouth, the older one went to Bunker Hill Community College for some form of engineering, don’t know if he ever got a degree.

11 S'latch  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:00:47pm

Amazing that he has not been apprehended. He will surely turn up soon. I will not be surprised if he turns up dead, too.

12 HoosierHoops  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:01:29pm

re: #5 thedopefishlives

They’ve been looking for a lot of cars. Is he car-hopping?

Regarding common car thieves, Today would be a bad day to steal a car in Mass. area.

13 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:02:06pm

re: #5 thedopefishlives

They’ve been looking for a lot of cars. Is he car-hopping?

Yes and only Hondas too.

14 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:02:31pm

re: #12 HoosierHoops

Regarding common car thieves, Today would be a bad day to steal a car in Mass. area.

No shit. Today would be a good day to take the day off for those involved in that rather dubious profession.

15 LWNJ  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:02:38pm

re: #10 danarchy

The younger one is a student at Umass Datrmouth, the older one went to Bunker Hill Community College for some form of engineering, don’t know if he ever got a degree.

According to that interview I linked in the last thread, the older brother was studying acting (of all things). Where is not stated.

16 Kragar  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:03:15pm

re: #5 thedopefishlives

They’ve been looking for a lot of cars. Is he car-hopping?

Nothing guarantees its the same case, right? Even in lockdown, there is other stuff going on.

17 erik_t  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:03:23pm

re: #13 NJDhockeyfan

Yes and only Hondas too.

Reasonable speculation: if I were an amateur car-thief with a serious and pressing need for a new ride, and I were in a hurry, I would stick with one make and era of vehicle.

18 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:03:57pm

re: #8 klys

I’ve seen very mixed reports of students, part-time for the older, UMass-Dartmouth for the younger (?) but my level of trust for any news source right now is pretty much nil.

I am instead choosing to think about potential meals as I try to plan a menu for the week.

For the week?

19 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:04:33pm

Interesting.

20 Robert O.  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:04:40pm

The people at Mother Jones have unearthed further information on the two suspects.

Here appears to be Tamerlan Tsarnaev’s YouTube channel:
youtube.com

And here is Jhokhar Tsarnaev’s Twitter:
twitter.com

See also:
motherjones.com

21 Kragar  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:04:42pm

Louie Gohmert Reveals the Real Lesson of the Boston Bombing

Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-TX) stopped by The Blaze today to weigh in on the Boston Marathon bombing and the on-going hunt for the suspect at-large. During the discussion, he stated that Osama bin Laden had set up terrorist training camps in Chechnya for the purpose of targeting America and so all Chechens who have come to this country need to be investigated and deported “if there is any violence in their background.”

The lesson that this entire saga is sending to potential terrorists, Gohmert said, is that “this administration will not eliminate people who are here and have even shown violence in this country, that if you can just get into this country - and shoot, the President may even give you amnesty, just get here however you can and then you may be able to shut down an entire city also and then do what Osama bin Laden charged Chechnyans (sic) to do many years ago and that is train so you can go kill Americans and other westerners”:

22 thedopefishlives  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:04:56pm

Completely and utterly OT, btw, but the Lizardim deserve to know that the newest edition of fishspawn arrived yesterday afternoon at 12:42 PM CDT.

23 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:05:08pm

re: #18 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

For the week?

As a tentative approximation? Some of the stuff I can send the husband for on his way home, but some I like to get myself and I don’t want to drive to the supermarket more than once.

24 Charleston Chew  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:05:20pm

re: #5 thedopefishlives

They’ve been looking for a lot of cars. Is he car-hopping?

25 erik_t  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:05:32pm

re: #22 thedopefishlives

Completely and utterly OT, btw, but the Lizardim deserve to know that the newest edition of fishspawn arrived yesterday afternoon at 12:42 PM CDT.

Swim, swim, hungry.

26 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:05:51pm

re: #22 thedopefishlives

Completely and utterly OT, btw, but the Lizardim deserve to know that the newest edition of fishspawn arrived yesterday afternoon at 12:42 PM CDT.

Welcome to the newest little one!

27 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:06:00pm

Hondas are only one of the most common cars on the face of the planet…

28 celticdragon  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:06:00pm

re: #19 NJDhockeyfan

Interesting.

The Russians have very, very little tolerance for any nonsense coming out of Chechnya. Can you blame them?

29 Mattand  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:06:26pm

re: #22 thedopefishlives

Completely and utterly OT, btw, but the Lizardim deserve to know that the newest edition of fishspawn arrived yesterday afternoon at 12:42 PM CDT.

Congrats!

30 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:06:36pm

re: #23 klys

As a tentative approximation? Some of the stuff I can send the husband for on his way home, but some I like to get myself and I don’t want to drive to the supermarket more than once.

That’s looking ahead. My wife and I have no idea what we’ll have for supper tonight let alone next Friday.

31 Ojoe  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:06:40pm

re: #28 celticdragon

No.

32 celticdragon  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:07:18pm

Going downstairs to watch the news and the yammering heads on TV…paint some Chaos marines…

33 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:07:28pm

re: #30 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

That’s looking ahead. My wife and I have no idea what we’ll have for supper tonight let alone next Friday.

Well. I have no idea what supper tonight will be either. Last night I skipped it and the three nights before that we went out. I’ve been putting off grocery shopping since we got home from vacation on Sunday.

34 HoosierHoops  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:07:36pm

re: #17 erik_t

Reasonable speculation: if I were an amateur car-thief with a serious and pressing need for a new ride, and I were in a hurry, I would stick with one make and era of vehicle.

I bought a new car some years ago and it almost immediately got stolen.
Pissed me off to no end.
F*ck car thieves

35 geoffm33  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:07:49pm
36 Slap  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:07:51pm

OT, but worth noting:

RIP, Storm.

Good-bye, Mr. Thorgerson. You were one of the most influential visual artists of the late 20th century, and you will be deeply missed. If you don’t know his name, I bet you know his work.

A VERY small overview

37 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:08:09pm

re: #25 erik_t

Swim, swim, hungry.

BEEBEE!!!!!!!

38 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:08:30pm

re: #22 thedopefishlives

Congratulations on the new spawn!

39 geoffm33  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:08:59pm

re: #35 geoffm33

Or put another way…

40 Destro  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:09:31pm
The dead suspect is Tsarnaev’s brother, a source said. Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is a native of Kyrgyzstan, the Kyrgyz state news agency said

littlegreenfootballs.com

a lot of people are unfamiliar with Kyrgyzstan so I thought I would set up a little bit of light on the subject since I have been there many times and have studied Central Asia, its politics and culture.

Generally speaking, Kyrgyzstan is divided between its secular Sovietized North, centered around the capital of Bishkek, and its conservative Muslim south, centered around the Fergana Valley city of Osh. Throughout the 1990s and the early 2000s, the Kyrgyz Republic represented one of the great hopes for democratization in former Soviet Central Asia. It had a flawed but democratically elected president, one of the least corrupt police forces in the region, and was relatively peaceful. Largely it was free of Western influence because it did not have oil or natural gas reserves coveted by Russia or the United States. Therefore, it did not suffer from the famous oil curse.

In recent years the most important political development in Kyrgyzstan was the 2005 Tulip Revolution, which saw radical Islamist insurgents and financed by the American CIA and based around Osh topple the regime of Pres. Akayev, who fled into exile rather than order his security forces to fire upon his people. Nobody can be 100% certain why the United States decided to repeat the same mistakes that it made in Afghanistan during the 1980s, but it isn’t a huge stretch to assume that the fact that Akayev was demanding increased rent on the US air base at Manas that was established after the 9/11 attacks may have had something to do with it.

Since 2005 the political situation in the Boston suspect’s homeland has deteriorated. Some analysts consider it nearly a failed state. Certainly the central government has lost control of much of the South. For example, when I tried to cross from Tajikistan into southeastern Kyrygzstan at Sary Tash in 2008, border guards informed me that they had not heard from Bishkek in years. In fact, they no longer even had a passport stamp. It was very clear that local warlords were in charge of mining and other concerns there.

Radical Islamists, always active in the southern part of the country, have become emboldened since 2005. One insurgent group, the Islamic Movement of Turkestan, formerly known as the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan, has attracted self radicalized Muslims from all over the world, including a substantial faction from Chechnya. Chechnya, well-informed readers will recall, was destroyed by forces under the direction of Russian Federation president Boris Yeltsin. While we in the West may have forgotten this episode, Chechens are well known as ferocious fighters who never forget a grudge. Jihad is alive and well for them.

41 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:09:45pm

re: #34 HoosierHoops

I bought a new car some years ago and it almost immediately got stolen.
Pissed me off to no end.
F*ck car thieves

Two trucks stolen, 4 others broken into. I fully understand your pissitude.

42 Slap  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:09:59pm

re: #34 HoosierHoops

I bought a new car some years ago and it almost immediately got stolen.
Pissed me off to no end.
F*ck car thieves

FTFY — you just were too damned specific!

43 thedopefishlives  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:12:09pm

Thanks for all the congratulations. I now return you to your regularly scheduled session of ridiculing the mainstream media’s epic fail.

44 Bulworth  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:12:49pm

re: #21 Kragar

Can Gohmert and Beck be in the same room at the same time without setting off Peak Derp?

45 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:12:49pm

re: #43 thedopefishlives

Thanks for all the congratulations. I now return you to your regularly scheduled session of ridiculing the mainstream media’s epic fail.

I WANT PICTURES!!!!

46 HappyWarrior  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:12:55pm

re: #22 thedopefishlives

Completely and utterly OT, btw, but the Lizardim deserve to know that the newest edition of fishspawn arrived yesterday afternoon at 12:42 PM CDT.

Congrats to you and your fam on the new addition.

47 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:13:16pm

re: #22 thedopefishlives

Completely and utterly OT, btw, but the Lizardim deserve to know that the newest edition of fishspawn arrived yesterday afternoon at 12:42 PM CDT.

Congratulations. Upgraded operating system as well that doesn’t require constant rebooting in the first 14 years?

:)

48 makeitstop  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:13:29pm

re: #36 Slap

OT, but worth noting:

RIP, Storm.

Good-bye, Mr. Thorgerson. You were one of the most influential visual artists of the late 20th century, and you will be deeply missed. If you don’t know his name, I bet you know his work.

A VERY small overview

If there’s another person on the planet who has produced more iconic album covers, I’m not aware of him.

49 sagehen  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:15:03pm

re: #22 thedopefishlives

Completely and utterly OT, btw, but the Lizardim deserve to know that the newest edition of fishspawn arrived yesterday afternoon at 12:42 PM CDT.

Gender? Length? Weight? Was it named after a grandparent or a celebrity or you made up a name or picked a name that sounds normal but you spell it funny…

50 Sionainn  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:16:26pm

re: #22 thedopefishlives

Completely and utterly OT, btw, but the Lizardim deserve to know that the newest edition of fishspawn arrived yesterday afternoon at 12:42 PM CDT.

Oh, yeah! Congrats to you and Mrs. Fish.

51 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:16:33pm

re: #40 Destro

Can’t you find anyone other than Ted Rall, for fuck’s sake?

52 thedopefishlives  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:16:36pm

re: #45 FemNaziBitch

I WANT PICTURES!!!!

BEEBEE!

And to answer re: #49 sagehen, it is a girl and she weighed 6 lb 14 oz and was 18.25” long. She’s named after a grandparent.

53 ElCapitanAmerica  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:17:27pm

Video of Jahar/Dzhokhar wrestling …

54 gwangung  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:17:44pm

re: #52 thedopefishlives

BEEBEE!

And to answer re: #49 sagehen, it is a girl and she weighed 6 lb 14 oz and was 18.25” long. She’s named after a grandparent.

Yay! Congratulations and a sight for sore eyes!

55 Ian G.  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:17:51pm

Trying not to cry.

26 years old. Could have been my baby brother.

56 Political Atheist  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:18:16pm

re: #22 thedopefishlives

Completely and utterly OT, btw, but the Lizardim deserve to know that the newest edition of fishspawn arrived yesterday afternoon at 12:42 PM CDT.

Congratulations!!

*going back through for the details*

57 [deleted]  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:18:39pm
58 HappyWarrior  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:19:00pm

re: #55 Ian G.

Trying not to cry.

26 years old. Could have been my baby brother.

Could have been my classmate. RIP officer.

59 Slap  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:19:10pm

re: #48 makeitstop

If there’s another person on the planet who has produced more iconic album covers, I’m not aware of him.

Mostly, I agree — but don’t forget Roger Dean in that list. IMO, it’s a toss-up….:

Roger Dean Paintings

60 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:19:52pm

re: #57 Peter_P3

The Daily Mail and Jihadwatch are not good sources.

61 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:19:59pm
62 Kragar  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:20:42pm

re: #27 Varek Raith

Hondas are only one of the most common cars on the face of the planet…

Might be the ones he knows how to/ is most comfortable hotwiring

63 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:20:48pm

re: #21 Kragar

Louie Gohmert Reveals the Real Lesson of the Boston Bombing

well, except for the pesky detail that the family was given asylum under the Bush Administration…

64 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:20:53pm

re: #51 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Not only that, but he conviently lets out the persecution of Chechens and their related ethnic groups. He’s real good at forgetting/concealing one side of the issue. Namely Russian Mistreatment of minorities.

Also, Ted Rall’s account sounds like bullshit.

Again, Destro seems to be a fellow traveler of Geller and his ilk.

65 A Mom Anon  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:21:07pm

re: #57 Peter_P3

Nothing is clear right now. Also too Jihad Watch and the Daily Mail might not be the best sources to look at for anything. Seriously.

66 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:22:04pm

re: #65 A Mom Anon

Remember, The Daily Mail supported Hitler.

67 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:22:53pm

re: #40 Destro

a) Fair use != copy and paste the entire article, which you did.
b) Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. More sources, please.

68 makeitstop  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:23:15pm

re: #59 Slap

Mostly, I agree — but don’t forget Roger Dean in that list. IMO, it’s a toss-up….:

Roger Dean Paintings

Ah, good one. I think Storm edges Dean out, though, in terms of sheer volume.

Hipgnosis Covers

I’m staggered when I look at how many instantly recognizable covers he did.

69 Destro  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:23:34pm

re: #51 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Can’t you find anyone other than Ted Rall, for fuck’s sake?

Do you know anyone writing on this with more Central Asian experience than Rall?

Let me know.


Anyone interested in a broader look at the Soviet legacy in Central Asia, including countries like Kyrgyzstan, may be interested in checking out Rall’s book “Silk Road to Ruin: is Central Asia the new Middle East?”

70 erik_t  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:23:49pm

re: #62 Kragar

Might be the ones he knows how to/ is most comfortable hotwiring

Note they’re all mid-90s too. Not only a common vintage, but an easy-to-steal one.

The 1995 Honda Accord is eighth on the 2011 list of the 10 most-stolen vehicles in Clark County. Each year, many of the same models return to the list, in varying orders, but newer Hondas have proved more difficult to steal.

Local car thieves have a thing for Hondas. The earlier Accords and Civics are compact, reliable and extremely easy to steal, authorities say.

“Those particular years, makes and models were a learning curve for Honda,” said Tyler Chavers, car theft detective with the Vancouver Police Department.

71 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:23:53pm

re: #57 Peter_P3

You know exactly what LGF thinks about JihadWatch. You’re a fan of Fjordman. Why are you playing dumb?

littlegreenfootballs.com

72 thedopefishlives  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:24:20pm

re: #71 Charles Johnson

You know exactly what LGF thinks about JihadWatch. You’re a fan of Fjordman. Why are you playing dumb?

littlegreenfootballs.com

Heh, I didn’t even think to look at the links.

73 HappyWarrior  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:24:40pm

re: #63 Backwoods_Sleuth

well, except for the pesky detail that the family was given asylum under the Bush Administration…

I like how the nativist asses like Louie Louie and Coulter are using the fact that the brothers are immigrants to justify their xenophobia. Yeah, let’s ignore the fact that their uncle is absolutely furious and upset about what they’ve done and the fact that one of the bombing’s heroes was a naturalized immigrant. People like those two see a tragedy and their only thought is “How can we use this to paint all members of a group as bad and punish the group for the actions of the individual.” They’ve got a fucked up mentality.

74 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:24:48pm

re: #67 klys

Ones that aren’t Ted Rall.

75 wrenchwench  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:25:21pm

re: #71 Charles Johnson

You know exactly what LGF thinks about JihadWatch. You’re a fan of Fjordman. Why are you playing dumb?

littlegreenfootballs.com

How do you know he’s playing?

76 geoffm33  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:26:27pm
77 Destro  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:28:04pm

re: #74 ProBosniaLiberal

Ones that aren’t Ted Rall.

Like you heard of Ted Rall before? I mean you might have but I doubt it.

78 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:28:11pm

OMG! Somewhere is my mess of electrical cords and devices something making a whistle/hum type of noise. It is MOST annoying.

79 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:28:48pm

re: #51 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Let’s remind everyone here about Ted Rall:

In a Rall cartoon from May 3, 2004, Pat Tillman (a former Arizona Cardinals player who abandoned his NFL career to enlist in the United States Army Rangers and was killed in Afghanistan) is depicted asking an Army recruiter, “Never mind the fine print. Will I get to kill Arabs?”. The narrator points out that he was killed and the reader is then given a choice: “idiot”, “sap” or “hero”.

or:

On October 22, 2007, Rall published a cartoon saying “Over time, however, the endless war in Iraq began to play a role in natural selection. Only idiots signed up; only idiots died. Back home, the average I.Q. soared.” This caused an uproar by military supporters both conservative and liberal alike.

Something Awful thinks this guy is scum. And they are generally left-leaning.

80 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:29:05pm

re: #69 Destro

Do you know anyone writing on this with more Central Asian experience than Rall?

I have no idea how much experience Rall has, but I know he’s a polarizing asshole.

81 geoduck  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:30:00pm

Whatever people’s opinion of Ted Rall’s politics, the man has traveled extensively in the region, so yeah, he probably knows what he’s talking about here.

82 Destro  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:30:05pm

re: #80 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

I have no idea how much experience Rall has, but I know he’s a polarizing asshole.

The guy is deep in Central Asia. Jesus and Moses were polarizing assholes as well. So was Lincoln.

83 erik_t  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:30:07pm

So, presuming Tsarnaev isn’t caught/killed, I wonder how long Boston will remain functionally shut down. It is too obvious to count as an observation, but this is not sustainable.

84 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:30:35pm

re: #82 Destro

The guy is deep in Central Asia. Jesus and Moses were polarizing assholes as well. So was Lincoln.

Yeah, whatever. Not going to feed your desire for attention.

85 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:31:03pm

re: #77 Destro

Yes I have, you condescending jackass.

Familiar with his poor quality of art, loony opinions, and especially from his post bashing Roger Ebert.

86 Destro  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:31:09pm

re: #83 erik_t

So, presuming Tsarnaev isn’t caught/killed, I wonder how long Boston will remain functionally shut down. It is too obvious to count as an observation, but this is not sustainable.

2 terrorists with arms you can buy at any American gun show just cost the American govt billions by shutting down most of a city.

I hope terrorists are not paying attention but I am sure they are.

87 A Mom Anon  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:31:45pm

re: #80 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Somehow I think there’s probably more choices for expertise on this topic than Ted Rall. I’d guess most large universities have someone well versed on the history and politics of the area. Or you know, people who live there or are from there. Maybe.

88 HappyWarrior  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:32:01pm

re: #83 erik_t

So, presuming Tsarnaev isn’t caught/killed, I wonder how long Boston will remain functionally shut down. It is too obvious to count as an observation, but this is not sustainable.

I dunno. I hope they get him soon though so they can at least have some return to normalcy and shouting Yankees Suck at everything that goes by. Just teasing the Bostonians, as a fan of another AL East team, I too hate the Bronx Bombers. Very much enjoyed my time in Boston eight years back.

89 engineer cat  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:32:46pm

An MIT police officer is found shot in his vehicle. He is taken to Massachusetts General Hospital and pronounced deceased. Shortly after the shooting, police receive a report of an armed carjacking in a separate section of Cambridge. The carjacking victim is held at gunpoint by two males for a half hour before being released unhurt at a gas station

sorry to be so out of touch, but is there any clue as to why two murder suspects hiding out from the police would decide to expose themselves by killing a policeman and hijacking a car?

90 DelusionDeluge  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:32:47pm

Add one to the casualty list: Chuck Woolery. The PC Police got him. Pray for this tragedy’s latest victim, guys.

91 Sionainn  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:34:01pm

re: #70 erik_t

Note they’re all mid-90s too. Not only a common vintage, but an easy-to-steal one.

I had my 1994 Honda Civic stolen. I got it back the same day the insurance company was going to write me a check for the loss. Damn.

92 HappyWarrior  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:34:22pm

re: #87 A Mom Anon

Somehow I think there’s probably more choices for expertise on this topic than Ted Rall. I’d guess most large universities have someone well versed on the history and politics of the area. Or you know, people who live there or are from there. Maybe.

The professor who taught my class on the history of the Middle East had a class on the history of Central Asia. I never took it but rumor was that it was the hardest class for undergrads in the department. I really would like to learn more about the region really myself. I only really know it since Borat is a Kazakh, the bad guys in Air Force One were Kazakhs, and my Dad worked one night at the Uzbek embassy when he catered. Oh and there’s a lot of -Stans there so I know when I start my own country, I’m starting Stanastan in honor of my great uncle Stan.

93 erik_t  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:34:35pm

re: #89 engineer cat

sorry to be so out of touch, but is there any clue as to why two murder suspects hiding out from the police would decide to expose themselves by killing a policeman and hijacking a car?

As I understand it, the going theory is they saw their pictures on TV and panicked. If they did indeed plan more bombings, they wouldn’t have expected to be fingered so rapidly.

94 wrenchwench  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:35:22pm

re: #71 Charles Johnson

You know exactly what LGF thinks about JihadWatch. You’re a fan of Fjordman. Why are you playing dumb?

littlegreenfootballs.com

Also, too:

I have been following LGF for years now and I think the tone has gotten very rough recently, and non-inclusive in here. Agressive to say the least.

Pobrecito.

95 abolitionist  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:35:28pm

re: #45 FemNaziBitch

I WANT PICTURES!!!!

Probably someone else linked previously (older brother, run over last night by his younger brother fleeing the shootout): Suspect #1 Tamerlan Tsarnaev — Wanted to Box for U.S.A.

96 Destro  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:35:52pm

re: #84 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

re: #87 A Mom Anon

Somehow I think there’s probably more choices for expertise on this topic than Ted Rall. I’d guess most large universities have someone well versed on the history and politics of the area. Or you know, people who live there or are from there. Maybe.

You would be wrong:

rferl.org

Ted Rall, a widely syndicated American cartoonist, is among the small number of people who draw political cartoons about Central Asia. His cartoons are regularly published in eurasianet.org, an NGO-run information provider on Central Asia and the Caucasus. In an exclusive interview with RFE/RL, Rall discusses his interest in the region and his latest cartoon — about Turkmenistan’s plans to shut down regional hospitals. RFE/RL correspondents Khiromon Bakoeva and Golnaz Esfandiari report.

97 jaunte  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:36:13pm

re: #90 DelusionDeluge

Add one to the casualty list: Chuck Woolery. The PC Police got him. Pray for this tragedy’s latest victim, guys.

98 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:36:17pm

re: #90 DelusionDeluge

Add one to the casualty list: Chuck Woolery. The PC Police got him. Pray for this tragedy’s latest victim, guys.

gee, and Chuck even ended one of his tweets with “FACT.”

99 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:36:21pm

re: #67 klys

Sorry if I hurt your feelings by pointing out that you can’t just copy and paste the entire article, Destro, but that’s the second time I’ve seen you do it and edit it later.

100 HappyWarrior  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:36:27pm

re: #95 abolitionist

Probably someone else linked previously (older brother, run over last night by his younger brother fleeing the shootout): Suspect #1 Tamerlan Tsarnaev — Wanted to Box for U.S.A.

Heh she’s talking about dopefish’s newborn daughter not the brothers Tsarnaev.

101 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:36:38pm

re: #95 abolitionist

Probably someone else linked previously (older brother, run over last night by his younger brother fleeing the shootout): Suspect #1 Tamerlan Tsarnaev — Wanted to Box for U.S.A.

I WANT PICTURES OF THE BABY

102 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:36:47pm

re: #94 wrenchwench

Also, too:

Pobrecito.

Yeah, you guys have just run me right off. ;)

103 Destro  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:37:56pm

re: #92 HappyWarrior

The professor who taught my class on the history of the Middle East had a class on the history of Central Asia. I never took it but rumor was that it was the hardest class for undergrads in the department. I really would like to learn more about the region really myself. I only really know it since Borat is a Kazakh, the bad guys in Air Force One were Kazakhs, and my Dad worked one night at the Uzbek embassy when he catered. Oh and there’s a lot of -Stans there so I know when I start my own country, I’m starting Stanastan in honor of my great uncle Stan.

rall.com

104 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:38:14pm

re: #94 wrenchwench

Also, too:

Pobrecito.

I fully expected some Muslim-haters to pop up. This won’t be the last.

105 Dr. Matt  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:38:34pm

Is this was a movie he would have been shot by now in a blaze of glory. #realitysucks

106 A Mom Anon  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:38:48pm

re: #96 Destro

Oh OK then, he is THE authority on the region, no one else knows dick. Also too, thank you for my very first downding. PING!!

107 danarchy  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:39:26pm

re: #89 engineer cat

sorry to be so out of touch, but is there any clue as to why two murder suspects hiding out from the police would decide to expose themselves by killing a policeman and hijacking a car?

Good question. I was wondering why after planting a bomb intended to kill families at a sporting event, and murdering a cop in his cruiser, why did they let the carjack victim go? Suddenly develop a conscience?

108 jaunte  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:39:50pm

re: #106 A Mom Anon

Rall’s an authority on Central Asia like Hunter Thompson was an authority on Las Vegas.

109 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:40:26pm

re: #108 jaunte

Rall’s an authority on Central Asia like Hunter Thompson was an authority on Las Vegas.

Don’t go there without a lawyer?

110 Destro  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:40:33pm

re: #106 A Mom Anon

Oh OK then, he is THE authority on the region, no one else knows dick. Also too, thank you for my very first downding. PING!!

I did not say he was THE authority in the region. But can you name an American English language political cartoonist and journalist involved with Central Asia?

He is one authority and you may not like his opinions but they are based on being involved there on an intimate level.

111 Patricia Kayden  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:40:55pm

re: #21 Kragar

And where do we deport Americans (White men specifically) who commit terrorist acts?

112 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:41:15pm

re: #111 Patricia Kayden

And where do we deport Americans (White men specifically) who commit terrorist acts?

SUPERMAX

113 Destro  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:41:26pm

re: #108 jaunte

Rall’s an authority on Central Asia like Hunter Thompson was an authority on Las Vegas.

And that is bad because?

114 HappyWarrior  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:41:38pm

re: #109 FemNaziBitch

Don’t go there without a lawyer?

As your attorney, I advise you to.

115 Destro  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:42:01pm

re: #111 Patricia Kayden

And where do we deport Americans (White men specifically) who commit terrorist acts?

The terrorists in Boston are American citizens.

116 thedopefishlives  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:42:26pm

re: #101 FemNaziBitch

I WANT PICTURES OF THE BABY

There’s a picture of the baby upthread. I don’t have the rest of the pictures on hand. My mom’s maintaining the collection with her nice camera.

117 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:42:52pm

re: #111 Patricia Kayden

And where do we deport Americans (White men specifically) who commit terrorist acts?

You can deport ‘em anywhere you want, just don’t send ‘em to the Czech Republic. Or Slovakia. Or Germany.

The Moon. That’s a good place.

118 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:43:03pm

re: #106 A Mom Anon

Oh OK then, he is THE authority on the region, no one else knows dick. Also too, thank you for my very first downding. PING!!

We can be buddies, that was mine too!

119 Stanley Sea  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:43:18pm

re: #1 NJDhockeyfan

I had to leave for awhile. Good thing to come back to. LOL.

120 Dr. Matt  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:43:38pm

re: #111 Patricia Kayden

And where do we deport Americans (White men specifically) who commit terrorist acts?

Florida. ….or Texas….

121 HappyWarrior  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:43:42pm

re: #117 Dr Lizardo

You can deport ‘em anywhere you want, just don’t send ‘em to the Czech Republic. Or Slovakia. Or Germany.

The Moon. That’s a good place.

Well I’d like someone to send me to those three countries so I can go on a beer tasting tour.

122 wrenchwench  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:44:15pm

re: #121 HappyWarrior

Well I’d like someone to send me to those three countries so I can go on a beer tasting tour.

Self-deport!

123 A Mom Anon  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:44:26pm

re: #110 Destro

OFFS. I’m just saying that Rall isn’t the ONLY person to look at. I’d guess one could start with Harvard or one of the bigger state universities and find a bunch of people with extensive knowledge of the region since most larger schools do have professors who keep up with what’s going on in specific areas of the world.

124 Patricia Kayden  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:44:37pm

re: #40 Destro

“Chechnya, well-informed readers will recall, was destroyed by forces under the direction of Russian Federation president Boris Yeltsin.”

What does that mean? Russians destroyed the country of Chechnya? Isn’t there a country called Chechnya in existence now?

125 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:44:41pm

re: #121 HappyWarrior

Well I’d like someone to send me to those three countries so I can go on a beer tasting tour.

I think you’d enjoy that…..there are indeed some magnificent beers here in Central Europe.

126 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:44:53pm

re: #111 Patricia Kayden

And where do we deport Americans (White men specifically) who commit terrorist acts?

We tend to stick them in the US House of Representatives, every mid-term election.

127 Targetpractice  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:45:16pm

re: #124 Patricia Kayden

“Chechnya, well-informed readers will recall, was destroyed by forces under the direction of Russian Federation president Boris Yeltsin.”

What does that mean? Russians destroyed the country of Chechnya? Isn’t there a country called Chechnya in existence now?

It’s a myth! It doesn’t exist! Just like Wyoming!

//

128 abolitionist  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:45:32pm

re: #100 HappyWarrior

Opps. And congrats.

129 engineer cat  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:45:53pm

re: #107 danarchy

Good question. I was wondering why after planting a bomb intended to kill families at a sporting event, and murdering a cop in his cruiser, why did they let the carjack victim go? Suddenly develop a conscience?

i don’t get the whole thing - the brothers had become ‘radicalized’ - what does that mean? had they made statements, even in tweets, about islam, chechnya, america’s connections to any of this, or prepared any statements that they would intend to give the bombing a meaning beyond random murdering evil?

130 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:46:05pm

re: #123 A Mom Anon

OFFS. I’m just saying that Rall isn’t the ONLY person to look at. I’d guess one could start with Harvard or one of the bigger state universities and find a bunch of people with extensive knowledge of the region since most larger schools do have professors who keep up with what’s going on in specific areas of the world.

We all wanted more lessons about confirmation bias, right? How to only pay attention to sources that tell you what you want to know?

131 Patricia Kayden  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:46:08pm

re: #115 Destro

I was mocking Louie Gohmert’s claim that we should round up all Chechens in the US and check to see if they had any violence in their background to determine if they should be deported. It’s easy to talk about deporting “foreigners”. What would Gohmert do with White Americans who commit terrorist acts?

132 Bulworth  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:46:15pm

re: #90 DelusionDeluge

Add one to the casualty list: Chuck Woolery. The PC Police got him. Pray for this tragedy’s latest victim, guys.

Good, true, faithful patriotic god loving conservatives can’t go anywhere, or say or do anything. The level of oppression is stifling. ///

133 HappyWarrior  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:46:26pm

re: #125 Dr Lizardo

I think you’d enjoy that…..there are indeed some magnificent beers here in Central Europe.

I’ve already been- five years ago but it was one of those EF Tours where you spend so little time in each place. But yeah your neck of the woods is a beer drinker’s dream and I have to say that the Czech women are some of the most beautiful women I’ve seen. Met a beautiful Slovak bartender when I was in Vienna. She gave me and my roomie free shots after I told her that I was Slovak on my mother’s side.

134 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:47:02pm

re: #123 A Mom Anon

For example, there’s Asyl Osmonalieva of the Instittue for War and Peace reporting.

135 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:47:04pm

If you haven’t seen it, this is what the asshole tweeted right after committing mass murder:

136 Dr. Matt  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:47:05pm
137 Bulworth  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:47:12pm

re: #131 Patricia Kayden

Treat them as “lone wolfs”, no need for deporting. //

138 HappyWarrior  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:47:45pm

re: #122 wrenchwench

Self-deport!

There’s an idea. Too bad Romney’s not president ;). Seriously though, need to get my ass back to Europe asap.

139 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:47:45pm

re: #136 Dr. Matt

Okay. I dispute that.

140 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:48:30pm

re: #133 HappyWarrior

I’ve already been- five years ago but it was one of those EF Tours where you spend so little time in each place. But yeah your neck of the woods is a beer drinker’s dream and I have to say that the Czech women are some of the most beautiful women I’ve seen. Met a beautiful Slovak bartender when I was in Vienna. She gave me and my roomie free shots after I told her that I was Slovak on my mother’s side.

Nice. Yes indeed, the women here are beautiful. Also in Poland…..yowza.

141 abolitionist  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:48:31pm

re: #115 Destro

The terrorists in Boston are American citizens.

The 19 year-old (on the run) got citizenship last year. Not sure of the older one. Anyone?

142 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:49:26pm

re: #116 thedopefishlives

There’s a picture of the baby upthread. I don’t have the rest of the pictures on hand. My mom’s maintaining the collection with her nice camera.

ooooh, she’s not too happy in that picture!

143 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:49:31pm

re: #141 abolitionist

The 19 year-old (on the run) got citizenship last year. Not sure of the older one. Anyone?

The older one was not a citizen. He was still in the process of getting his citizenship.

144 Political Atheist  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:49:49pm

re: #120 Dr. Matt

We do have that ‘lil penal colony in Cuba…

145 HappyWarrior  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:50:01pm

re: #136 Dr. Matt

Timothy McVeigh, Terry Nichols, Eric Rudolph, Anders Brevik, The KKK, Buddhist sect that poisoned the Tokyo subway with sarin gas, the guy who flew his plane into that building because he was angry about his taxes, and countless others say hello, it’s me.

146 thedopefishlives  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:50:02pm

re: #142 FemNaziBitch

ooooh, she’s not too happy in that picture!

Yeah, she was brand new. ;) She’s settled down considerably over the last day. Perfectly healthy, ravenously hungry, and absolutely adorable.

147 abolitionist  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:50:16pm

re: #143 Charles Johnson

Thanks.

148 Destro  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:50:17pm

re: #124 Patricia Kayden

“Chechnya, well-informed readers will recall, was destroyed by forces under the direction of Russian Federation president Boris Yeltsin.”

What does that mean? Russians destroyed the country of Chechnya? Isn’t there a country called Chechnya in existence now?

No. Chechnya is an autonomous state within Russia. It’s independence drive failed.

149 Randall Gross  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:50:17pm

What irritates me about events like this is that it really starts all of the simplex thinkers to yammering. You know the people I’m talking about: those who think it’s because of Islam, or blowback, or multiculturalism, or ancient history, or how rotten american society might be, or drug abuse, or sociopath tendencies, or whatever.

Here’s a hint: It’s never just one thing, and it never will be. You could speculate all day long and fail to name all of the key things that led these two brothers here.

150 Mattand  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:50:28pm
151 HappyWarrior  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:50:39pm

re: #135 Charles Johnson

If you haven’t seen it, this is what the asshole tweeted right after committing mass murder:

That’s fucking eerie.

152 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:50:52pm

re: #136 Dr. Matt

Fuck you Chuck!

153 Bulworth  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:51:16pm

re: #136 Dr. Matt

Was this guy alive in 1995? 1996? Of course when terrorism is defined in such a way as to a priori exclude white American conservatives (i.e. abortion bombings and killings) then his question becomes a tautology.

154 celticdragon  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:51:32pm

re: #80 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

I have no idea how much experience Rall has, but I know he’s a polarizing asshole.

Robert Kaplan is one of the best informed and traveled persons I know of who can talk intelligently on the former Soviet Republics.

Robert David Kaplan (born 23 June 1952 in New York, New York) is an American journalist, currently a National Correspondent for The Atlantic magazine and a writer for Stratfor. His writings have also been featured in The Washington Post, The New York Times, The New Republic, The National Interest, Foreign Affairs and The Wall Street Journal, among other newspapers and publications, and his more controversial essays about the nature of US power have spurred debate in academia, the media, and the highest levels of government. Kaplan is the author of the influential article “The Coming Anarchy”, published in The Atlantic Monthly in 1994. A frequent theme in his work is the reemergence of cultural and historical tensions temporarily suspended during the Cold War. From March 2008 to spring 2012, Kaplan was a Senior Fellow at the Center for a New American Security in Washington.[1] He is currently working for Stratfor in Austin, TX. In 2009, Secretary of Defense Robert Gates appointed Kaplan to the Defense Policy Board, a federal advisory committee to the United States Department of Defense. In 2011, Foreign Policy magazine named Kaplan as one of the world’s “top 100 global thinkers.”

155 Dr. Matt  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:51:35pm

re: #145 HappyWarrior

Timothy McVeigh, Terry Nichols, Eric Rudolph, Anders Brevik, The KKK, Buddhist sect that poisoned the Tokyo subway with sarin gas, the guy who flew his plane into that building because he was angry about his taxes, and countless others say hello, it’s me.

no, no, no, no….those folks are not terrorists….those people are mentally unstable. Jebus.

156 Destro  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:51:36pm

re: #131 Patricia Kayden

I was mocking Louie Gohmert’s claim that we should round up all Chechens in the US and check to see if they had any violence in their background to determine if they should be deported. It’s easy to talk about deporting “foreigners”. What would Gohmert do with White Americans who commit terrorist acts?

Chechens are Caucasians.

157 wrenchwench  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:52:14pm

re: #146 thedopefishlives

Yeah, she was brand new. ;) She’s settled down considerably over the last day. Perfectly healthy, ravenously hungry, and absolutely adorable.

Has big brother formed an opinion yet?

158 biorabbi  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:52:16pm

Andrew Sullivan’s speculation is interesting.

dish.andrewsullivan.com

This may not be an organized Jihadist plot with training in camps somewhere, but individuals somehow traumatized by the west. It is also interesting that many of the 19 9/11 like Atta were not traumatized or radicalized in their homeland but in the west. In this context today, the more person could become radicalized not by a live person or Mosque, but on their searchings on the internet. I read a well sourced book after 9/11 called Perfect Soldiers that explored this radicalization. I don’t believe such radicalization is specific to a religion or ethnicity but the wider concept of being lost in a new word.

159 Patricia Kayden  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:52:33pm

re: #136 Dr. Matt

Dang, I used to love him on “Love Connection” and “Lingo”. Too bad he’s turned out to be a nut.

Even if what he says is true (it’s not), what does he want us to do with Americans who are Muslims? Should we start persecuting the millions of American Muslims who are going about living life and minding their own business?

160 Bulworth  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:52:37pm

re: #145 HappyWarrior

OK, yes, but EXCEPT for all those guys, how come nearly all terrorists are Muslims? ///

161 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:52:49pm

Okay.. TOTAL speculation here,, but

12 hours after the shootout that ended with his brother dead, White Hat either
A) found some hole to hide in because he sustained serious injuries in the shootout and can’t move and/ or has bled to death
Or
B) he’s getting help from someone

162 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:53:29pm

re: #135 Charles Johnson

If you haven’t seen it, this is what the asshole tweeted right after committing mass murder:

So, we know it was them? I am so confused. Are they suspects or alleged bombers or what?

163 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:53:43pm

What do they get if they find the suspect hiding in a Russian-built car with the AC on full?

-Chechen in chill Lada!

See youse guys later, off to Antibes, in the south of France, for a week.

I hope things are resolved by the time I get back

164 Dr. Matt  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:53:46pm

re: #159 Patricia Kayden

Yeah, today he’s the Ted Nugent of washed-up game show hosts.

165 thedopefishlives  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:53:52pm

re: #157 wrenchwench

Has big brother formed an opinion yet?

He is very unsure about things, but he enjoys gently touching and kissing her.

166 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:54:00pm

re: #159 Patricia Kayden

Dang, I used to love him on “Love Connection” and “Lingo”. Too bad he’s turned out to be a nut.

Even if what he says is true (it’s not), what does he want us to do with Americans who are Muslims? Should we start persecuting the millions of American Muslims who are going about living life and minding their own business?

He was always a little weird, IMHO.

167 Destro  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:54:07pm

re: #134 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

For example, there’s Asyl Osmonalieva of the Instittue for War and Peace reporting.

Let me know when she writes about the Boston terrorists like Rall did. She didn’t do so did she? That’s because she is not a journalist like Rall is. That’s the difference between Rall, a journalist covering Central Asia and academics on Central Asia in relation to the Boston terror story.

168 HappyWarrior  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:54:22pm

re: #160 Bulworth

OK, yes, but EXCEPT for all those guys, how come nearly all terrorists are Muslims? ///

Except for all that evidence that proves me wrong, I’m totes right :). But yeah. Seriously though what a dummy.

169 wrenchwench  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:54:24pm

re: #165 thedopefishlives

He is very unsure about things, but he enjoys gently touching and kissing her.

Good start!

170 Kragar  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:54:37pm

re: #136 Dr. Matt

The IRA, Basque Separatists, Timothy McVeigh, ELF, Army of God, etc etc

171 Patricia Kayden  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:54:51pm

re: #145 HappyWarrior

Timothy McVeigh, Terry Nichols, Eric Rudolph, Anders Brevik, The KKK, Buddhist sect that poisoned the Tokyo subway with sarin gas, the guy who flew his plane into that building because he was angry about his taxes, and countless others say hello, it’s me.

You forgot the IRA and the ETA if we’re going international.

172 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:55:03pm

Wow. Lindsey Graham suggests it would be a good idea to violate Tsarnaev’s rights:

Unreal. What the fuck is wrong with these people?

173 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:55:17pm

re: #170 Kragar

The IRA, Basque Separatists, Timothy McVeigh, ELF, Army of God, etc etc

Do the Soveerign Citizens count?

Or are they just lone anarchists?

174 Varek Raith  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:55:51pm

re: #167 Destro

You mean confirm your biases.

175 HappyWarrior  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:55:52pm

re: #171 Patricia Kayden

You forgot the IRA and the ETA if we’re going international.

Yeah true and I did go international when I mentioned the Japanese group. I forget their name.

176 celticdragon  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:56:04pm

re: #172 Charles Johnson

Wow. Lindsey Graham suggests it would be a good idea to violate Tsarnaev’s rights:

Unreal. What the fuck is wrong with these people?

Senator Butters wants to see some hot male on male waterboarding action, I guess.

177 Destro  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:57:03pm

re: #123 A Mom Anon

OFFS. I’m just saying that Rall isn’t the ONLY person to look at. I’d guess one could start with Harvard or one of the bigger state universities and find a bunch of people with extensive knowledge of the region since most larger schools do have professors who keep up with what’s going on in specific areas of the world.

Let me know when these Central Asia experts write about the Boston terrorists like Rall did. I don’t see any of them do so yet? That’s the difference between Rall, a journalist covering Central Asia and academics on Central Asia in relation to the Boston terror story.

178 iossarian  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:57:07pm

re: #172 Charles Johnson

Wow. Lindsey Graham suggests it would be a good idea to violate Tsarnaev’s rights:

Unreal. What the fuck is wrong with these people?

Government is really bad, until we want it to do something. Then it can do whatever the fuck it wants.

Clowns.

Anyway - have a good weekend, if possible, everyone. Hope everyone stays safe.

179 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:57:13pm

That’s not just some random Twitter troll. He’s an elected official. Jaw-dropping.

180 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:57:47pm

re: #179 Charles Johnson

That’s not just some random Twitter troll. He’s an elected official. Jaw-dropping.

It’s ok, he’s well-dressed.

/

181 HappyWarrior  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:57:56pm

re: #172 Charles Johnson

Wow. Lindsey Graham suggests it would be a good idea to violate Tsarnaev’s rights:

Unreal. What the fuck is wrong with these people?

What good does not reading him his right do? The most American thing we can do to Tsarnaev is to try him in a court of law and try him and if he’s proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, you have justice, subverting the justice system is always a stupid idea and it’s a shame that a trained lawyer like Graham is suggesting that we do otherwise. We’re all pissed about what happened on Monday and last night but damn it, we don’t have to lose respect for rule of law.

182 Dr. Matt  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:57:57pm

re: #172 Charles

Ah, brilliant, no better way than getting a guilty criminal off the hook like violating his rights. Defense attorneys LIVE for that shit. I’m not kidding.

183 erik_t  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:58:06pm

re: #179 Charles Johnson

That’s not just some random Twitter troll. He’s an elected official. Jaw-dropping.

BUT WHY WON’T OBAMA STOP RIPPING UP THE CONSTITUTION

184 Bulworth  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:58:06pm

re: #145 HappyWarrior

Timothy McVeigh, Terry Nichols, Eric Rudolph, Anders Brevik, The KKK, Buddhist sect that poisoned the Tokyo subway with sarin gas, the guy who flew his plane into that building because he was angry about his taxes, and countless others say hello, it’s me.

Now, you know very well that terrorism didn’t start until 1993 with the first World Trade Tower bombing and only involves Muslims. So again, why are most if not all terrorists also Muslims? ///

Checkmate, Libruls! //

185 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:58:16pm

re: #148 Destro

Only because of extremely brutal violence, mass disappearances, and allowing a local tyrant to take over. The local tyrant in question is keeping the state afloat through funds from the Russian Federal Government.

Somehow, I don’t think it will stick. Your average Chechen is probably quite pissed. Though, I suppose when Russia driven the Chechens off their land once before (see Stalin), this would be an improvement.

186 Charleston Chew  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:58:38pm

It Wasn’t Sunil Tripathi: The Anatomy of a Misinformation Disaster

Holy cow, this is so messed up:

Meanwhile, at 2:14am Eastern, an official on the police scanner said, “Last name: Mulugeta, M-U-L-U-G-E-T-A, M as in Mike, Mulugeta.” And thus was born the newest suspect in the case: Mike Mulugeta. It doesn’t appear that Mulugeta, whoever he or she is, has a first name of Mike. And yet that name, “Mike Mulugeta,” was about to become notorious.

187 celticdragon  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:58:54pm

re: #179 Charles Johnson

That’s not just some random Twitter troll. He’s an elected official. Jaw-dropping.

He is also desperately looking over his shoulder to see who will be his primary challenger from the right with a fist full of dollars from the Koch brothers and The Club For Growth. His quotes all flow from that fear.

188 biorabbi  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:59:04pm

re: #145 HappyWarrior

Baruch Goldstein, Rabbi Kahane, Y. Amir, the filth who murdered Prime Minister Rabin are additional examples. A doctor, a rabbi with hatred not only towards the world at large but also at “weak” coreligionists. Divinely inspired and justified. By no means compartmentalized to a specific religion.

189 Destro  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:59:12pm

re: #174 Varek Raith

You mean confirm your biases.

I have my biases based experiences. What do you base yours on because you have your on biases as well, don’t you?

190 Charles Johnson  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:59:32pm
191 Ian G.  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:59:51pm

re: #145 HappyWarrior

Timothy McVeigh, Terry Nichols, Eric Rudolph, Anders Brevik, The KKK, Buddhist sect that poisoned the Tokyo subway with sarin gas, the guy who flew his plane into that building because he was angry about his taxes, and countless others say hello, it’s me.

Hell, Muslims didn’t even invent suicide bombing terrorist attacks. That started with the Hindu Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka.

192 Dr. Matt  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 1:59:59pm

Crap load of vehicles on the move in Boston.

And why do cops get pimped out chargers?

193 Kragar  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 2:00:00pm

Gohmert: Boston Lockdown Shows Foolishness of Gun Control

What hit me this morning when I heard the residents there around Boston and in the area where they thought someone might be were ordered to stay in their homes, businesses were ordered closed, public transportation was ordered closed. Let me ask you, if you’re sitting in your home and you know there are only two possibilities for people coming, one is law enforcement and the other is somebody who has already killed Americans and continues to do so, how many rounds do you want to be limited to in your magazine as you sit in your chair and wait?

How many rounds do you want your trigger happy neighbor to have?

twitter.com

194 thedopefishlives  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 2:00:24pm

re: #192 Dr. Matt

Crap load of vehicles on the move in Boston.

And why do cops get pimped out chargers?

One of the unmarked up here in the wild north country is a Challenger. Om nom nom.

195 Bulworth  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 2:00:37pm

re: #190 Charles Johnson

Constitushion only for real Muricans!!!

196 Randall Gross  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 2:01:03pm

In case you don’t think the region’s complex, here’s a map of tribes / ethnicities

Image: Caucasus_Ethno-Linguistic_Groups_sm.jpg

197 HappyWarrior  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 2:01:03pm

re: #193 Kragar

Gohmert: Boston Lockdown Shows Foolishness of Gun Control

How many rounds do you want your trigger happy neighbor to have?

twitter.com

Yeah because citizens should be going after a guy who was reported to be armed with a bomb. Louie just shut up. Boston unlike you knows what it’s doing and doesn’t come up with stupid shit to say every 24 hours because they’re desperate for attention.

198 erik_t  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 2:01:40pm

Can the Slapfight of the Steppes go get a room (or a post)?

199 Decatur Deb  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 2:01:49pm

re: #145 HappyWarrior

Timothy McVeigh, Terry Nichols, Eric Rudolph, Anders Brevik, The KKK, Buddhist sect that poisoned the Tokyo subway with sarin gas, the guy who flew his plane into that building because he was angry about his taxes, and countless others say hello, it’s me.

Don’t forget the boyos in Belfast—white as driven snow, they are.

200 HappyWarrior  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 2:01:58pm

re: #191 Ian G.

Hell, Muslims didn’t even invent suicide bombing terrorist attacks. That started with the Hindu Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka.

Yep a lot of people don’t know that one but I remember hearing it when I first read about suicide bombings in the ME.

201 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 2:02:12pm

re: #167 Destro

Let me know when she writes about the Boston terrorists like Rall did. She didn’t do so did she? That’s because she is not a journalist like Rall is. That’s the difference between Rall, a journalist covering Central Asia and academics on Central Asia in relation to the Boston terror story.

The article you linked makes claims that the Tulip Revolution was funded (at least in part) by the CIA. That’s a big claim and it caught my attention. I did some quick looking around and tried to find some more sources online referencing that, came up with nothing. Hence coming back to ask for more sources for this claim. Do you have other sources that can point to this?

I also commented on the fact that you copied and pasted the entire article into your page with no commentary, which you did - second time I’ve seen you do it, so I said something this time.

202 HappyWarrior  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 2:02:14pm

re: #199 Decatur Deb

Don’t forget the boyos in Belfast—white as driven snow, they are.

Yeah of course.

203 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 2:02:46pm

re: #198 erik_t

Can the Slapfight of the Steppes go get a room (or a post)?

This is where I wish we had an ‘Ignore” button!

204 HappyWarrior  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 2:03:50pm

re: #188 biorabbi

Baruch Goldstein, Rabbi Kahane, Y. Amir, the filth who murdered Prime Minister Rabin are additional examples. A doctor, a rabbi with hatred not only towards the world at large but also at “weak” coreligionists. Divinely inspired and justified. By no means compartmentalized to a specific religion.

Yep good point. Really what an idiotic claim this was.

205 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 2:03:59pm

re: #167 Destro

Actually, yeah, she’s a journalist, not an academic. Why’d you think she’s an academic?

206 Randall Gross  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 2:04:03pm

re: #191 Ian G.

Hell, Muslims didn’t even invent suicide bombing terrorist attacks. That started with the Hindu Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka.

and they were really preceded by the Divine Wind.

207 Kragar  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 2:04:30pm

re: #197 HappyWarrior

Yeah because citizens should be going after a guy who was reported to be armed with a bomb. Louie just shut up. Boston unlike you knows what it’s doing and doesn’t come up with stupid shit to say every 24 hours because they’re desperate for attention.

And cops and civilians alike totally wouldn’t get into a friendly fire incident if more of them had assault rifles running around.
/

208 wrenchwench  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 2:04:42pm

re: #198 erik_t

Can the Slapfight of the Steppes go get a room (or a post)?

They be Rallin’.

And my dinger broke. I be reloadin’.

209 A Mom Anon  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 2:05:24pm

Nobody,no matter how sterling their credentials(or not)has the first idea whether what happened in Boston was related to the actual politics and religion of the region. NO ONE KNOWS THAT.

210 HappyWarrior  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 2:05:26pm

re: #207 Kragar

And cops and civilians alike totally wouldn’t get into a friendly fire incident if more of them had assault rifles running around.
/

Seriously Gohmert’s a fucking dumbass. With all those weapons, how on earth are the cops supposed to know who’s a friendly and a hostile. That kind of situation would benefit perps like Tsarnaev not hinder them frankly.

211 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 2:05:28pm

re: #206 Randall Gross

and they were really preceded by the Divine Wind.

My dad, a WWII US Navy vet, had all kinds of stories about the kamikazies.

212 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 2:05:49pm

re: #208 wrenchwench

They be Rallin’.

And my dinger broke. I be reloadin’.

I took a lil blue pill for that!

213 Destro  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 2:06:21pm

re: #185 ProBosniaLiberal

Chechens were treated better by the Russian empire than the Cherokee or Apache were by the Americans (and both were conquered around the 19th century).

Chechnya has been ruled by Russia longer than many states have been in the Union. Some parts were Russian by 1785 and the rest by the mid 1800s.

And whatever justification the Chechen’s had for an independent nation was de-legitimized by them opening up slave markets in Chechnya after they won the first war against Russia in the 1990s. Ever see the ransom videos of Chechens torturing kidnapped people after the first war was won? I can point you to the New York Times article where a journalist describes how kidnapped victims (all ages and religions) were sold on the open market. Some specialized in kidnapping and then selling the victims to dealers who would make a profit from the ransom.

What was the excuse then?

214 abolitionist  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 2:06:29pm

Getting a tornado warning in my area, south of Richmond VA —extreme alert. The weather channel shows an approaching cell that’s blue-colored in the center, indicating snow. I interpret that to mean it’s an exceptionally strong cell. Still a few minutes away, I think. Crossed NC border about 4:45 est.

215 danarchy  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 2:07:11pm

re: #192 Dr. Matt

Crap load of vehicles on the move in Boston.

And why do cops get pimped out chargers?

Heh, I drive a black charger. It is amusing to watch how many people either slow down or move over when I am driving down the Mass Pike.

216 sattv4u2  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 2:07:15pm

re: #211 Dr Lizardo

My dad, a WWII US Navy vet, had all kinds of stories about the kamikazies.

my drinking buddies do too!!

Image: 4690101678_d7761e3184.jpg

//

217 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 2:07:55pm

re: #201 klys

The article you linked makes claims that the Tulip Revolution was funded (at least in part) by the CIA. That’s a big claim and it caught my attention. I did some quick looking around and tried to find some more sources online referencing that, came up with nothing. Hence coming back to ask for more sources for this claim. Do you have other sources that can point to this?

I also commented on the fact that you copied and pasted the entire article into your page with no commentary, which you did - second time I’ve seen you do it, so I said something this time.

I’m looking at a few reviews of Rall’s most recent couple of books. Given the sources of those it’s hard to tell since they seem to be as polarized as Rall is. But if some of their quotes of Rall himself are accurate I have the impression that Rall himself is a moonbat with a pretty loaded agenda.

So his knowledge of Central Asia might be good, but I would still be showing caution since I suspect his political outlook and polarization would be coloring his comments.

218 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 2:07:59pm

re: #216 sattv4u2

my drinking buddies do too!!

Image: 4690101678_d7761e3184.jpg

//

LOL.

219 Destro  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 2:08:39pm

re: #205 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Actually, yeah, she’s a journalist, not an academic. Why’d you think she’s an academic?

Let me know when she writes an article on the Boston terrorists like Rall did. Then I will post it if you don’t.

220 Decatur Deb  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 2:08:50pm

re: #204 HappyWarrior

Yep good point. Really what an idiotic claim this was.

It doesn’t even rise to that level—it’s an old RWNJ bromide.

221 Dr. Matt  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 2:09:15pm

re: #215 danarchy

Heh, I drive a black charger. It is amusing to watch how many people either slow down or move over when I am driving down the Mass Pike.

I saw a civilian 2012 charger on the freeway last night that had a driver-side spotlight…..dick.

222 wrenchwench  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 2:12:17pm

re: #219 Destro

Let me know when she writes an article on the Boston terrorists like Rall did. Then I will post it if you don’t.

Right, because we absolutely need articles about those guys, one dead and one running (who Rall never met) ASAP.

223 Destro  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 2:14:36pm

re: #201 klys

The article you linked makes claims that the Tulip Revolution was funded (at least in part) by the CIA. That’s a big claim and it caught my attention. I did some quick looking around and tried to find some more sources online referencing that, came up with nothing. Hence coming back to ask for more sources for this claim. Do you have other sources that can point to this?

I also commented on the fact that you copied and pasted the entire article into your page with no commentary, which you did - second time I’ve seen you do it, so I said something this time.

re: #217 Feline Fearless Leader

I’m looking at a few reviews of Rall’s most recent couple of books. Given the sources of those it’s hard to tell since they seem to be as polarized as Rall is. But if some of their quotes of Rall himself are accurate I have the impression that Rall himself is a moonbat with a pretty loaded agenda.

So his knowledge of Central Asia might be good, but I would still be showing caution since I suspect his political outlook and polarization would be coloring his comments.

telegraph.co.uk

Quiet American behind tulip revolution

“Mission accomplished,” said Mike Stone, the pudgy, bearded American in question, in his office outside the Kyrgyz capital of Bishkek, where just over a week ago a crowd drove out President Askar Akayev and his family.

Aged 52, Mr Stone is project director for Freedom House, a pro-democracy foundation part-funded by the American government.

It set up Kyrgyzstan’s only independent printing plant, publishing the opposition newspapers that fuelled popular discontent in the weeks prior to the so-called tulip revolution.

But he denies promoting the government’s overthrow. “When I say mission accomplished, it has nothing to do with the revolution,” he said. “We printed newspapers. The intention was to assist media development. It wasn’t to create a revolution.”

Nevertheless, Washington is keen to describe recent events in Kyrgyzstan as part of a wave of democratisation - and it is happy to take some of the credit. Aid workers admit that Freedom House and other organisations raised an awareness in Kyrgyzstan that things could be done differently. US involvement in the small, mountainous country is higher proportionally than it was for Georgia’s “rose” revolution or Ukraine’s “orange” uprising.

Read also:

books.google.com


Branding Democracy: U.S. Regime Change in Post-soviet Eastern Europe

224 Destro  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 2:15:41pm

re: #222 wrenchwench

Right, because we absolutely need articles about those guys, one dead and one running (who Rall never met) ASAP.

Yes, we do need articles about them and Rall lived and reported from where these guys are claimed to be from. So he was speculating on what may have radicalized them back home?

Why don’t you want to know more?

225 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 2:24:18pm

re: #57 Peter_P3

What do you guys make of these sites?

Jihadwatch is a hate site.

226 klys  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 2:24:56pm

re: #223 Destro

I had already seen that article. I do not consider that sufficient to back the claims that Rall’s article made; it could potentially show a pattern of evidence but more is needed.

Anyway, done here.

227 Randall Gross  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 2:25:26pm

re: #57 Peter_P3

Don’t link to hate sites.

228 Destro  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 2:36:18pm

re: #226 klys

I had already seen that article. I do not consider that sufficient to back the claims that Rall’s article made; it could potentially show a pattern of evidence but more is needed.

Anyway, done here.

Book link with passages was also there. The State Dept was pretty much funding the printing presses for the Tulip Revolutionaries.

229 CuriousLurker  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 2:36:50pm

re: #52 thedopefishlives

BEEBEE!

And to answer re: #49 sagehen, it is a girl and she weighed 6 lb 14 oz and was 18.25” long. She’s named after a grandparent.

Congrats! Nice to read some good news. May she live long and well.

230 EvilScott2  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 2:55:36pm

Appears Suspect #2’s reported Twitter follows several muslim fundamentalist Twitter accounts. Don’t think this is just some random angry young man.

231 celticdragon  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 2:58:48pm

re: #210 HappyWarrior

Seriously Gohmert’s a fucking dumbass. With all those weapons, how on earth are the cops supposed to know who’s a friendly and a hostile. That kind of situation would benefit perps like Tsarnaev not hinder them frankly.

I have no problem with those folks in their homes having a rifle or shotgun. I sure as hell would have a loaded weapon if white hat tried to break down my door a’la Dorner looking for a place to stay. We haven’t seen people going vigilante.

If anything, the average citizen would not do worse (and may do quite a bit better) than the bozo cops in California who unloaded hundreds of rounds at pickup trucks that had nothing to do with Dorner.

232 celticdragon  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 3:00:08pm

Just saw Rudolph Giuliani on Hardball. Even he thought it could have been RWNJ’s doing the bombing at first.

233 wrenchwench  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 3:13:51pm

re: #224 Destro

Yes, we do need articles about them and Rall lived and reported from where these guys are claimed to be from. So he was speculating on what may have radicalized them back home?

Why don’t you want to know more?

I do, but I don’t feel the need to know more so fast that I’ll use Rall as a source.

234 wrenchwench  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 3:15:11pm

re: #230 EvilScott2

Appears Suspect #2’s reported Twitter follows several muslim fundamentalist Twitter accounts. Don’t think this is just some random angry young man.

He became much less random once we had a name and some photos.

235 CuriousLurker  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 3:24:16pm

re: #190 Charles Johnson

Amazing how conservatives’ loud reverence for the Constitution goes right out the window when they want to torture someone.

The oath he took must’ve slipped his mind.

I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God.

senate.gov

236 122 Year Old Obama  Fri, Apr 19, 2013 4:24:34pm

re: #172 Charles Johnson

Wow. Lindsey Graham suggests it would be a good idea to violate Tsarnaev’s rights:

Unreal. What the fuck is wrong with these people?

A comprehensive list would take too long.


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