Boston Globe: Islam May Have Had Secondary Role in Boston Bombings

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It’s still early, and there may end up being connections between the Tsarnaev brothers and radical Islamic organizations; but the latest information suggests that Islamism may not have been their primary motivation.

An emerging portrait of the brothers accused in the Boston Marathon bombings suggested that the older of the two, Tamerlan Tsarnaev, embraced a more radical form of Islam in recent years.

But scholars cautioned Friday against concluding that the Tsarnaevs’ motives were purely religious. Tamerlan Tsarnaev, who was killed in a firefight with police early Friday morning, appeared to sympathize with Islamic extremists agitating for Chechen independence from Russia.

But family, neighbors, friends, and social media sources painted a complex picture of the brothers’ religiosity.

“The story that seems to be developing here is more along the lines of standard alienated man goes out and commits atrocities, much more like the school shootings we’ve seen than organized Islamic insurgency,” said Yuri Zhukov, a fellow at the Program on Global Society and Security at Harvard University’s Weatherhead Center who studies extremism in the Caucasus.

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116 comments
1 wrenchwench  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 1:31:23pm
… said Yuri Zhukov, a fellow at the Program on Global Society and Security at Harvard University’s Weatherhead Center who studies extremism in the Caucasus.

Don’t we want to know what Ted Rall thinks first?

2 Targetpractice  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 1:34:55pm

Sounds about right. One of the big things we’ve seen in Islamic radicals is a desire to target people and places that they view as being in defiance of Allah’s will as they view it. Nothing about the marathon really seems to fit that, making it seem more like a target of opportunity. Another thing we see commonly is a desire to call attention to not only the attacks, but he reasons behind why a particular target was chosen. We didn’t see that here, if anything the whole point of the bombings is still an utter mystery.

3 efuseakay  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 1:36:51pm

Silly Yuri. Doesn’t he know that any crime a Muslim commits is in the name of Allah? That applies to all Muslims past, present, and future.

FACT/

4 efuseakay  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 1:37:37pm

re: #2 Targetpractice

Sounds about right. One of the big things we’ve seen in Islamic radicals is a desire to target people and places that they view as being in defiance of Allah’s will as they view it. Nothing about the marathon really seems to fit that, making it seem more like a target of opportunity. Another thing we see commonly is a desire to call attention to not only the attacks, but he reasons behind why a particular target was chosen. We didn’t see that here, if anything the whole point of the bombings is still an utter mystery.

But I saw ankles. ANKLES!!!!!

////

5 Charles Johnson  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 1:38:00pm

There’s also the fact that Chechen Islamists have never attacked the US before, and as far as I know don’t have any special hatred for the US, unlike the Islamist groups in the Middle East.

If it does turn out to be a plot originating in Chechnya, it would be a very disturbing new development.

6 Eclectic Cyborg  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 1:39:09pm

This is what I suspected from the beginning. It just felt different than the traditional Islamic terror strike.

7 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 1:39:19pm

And it’s entirely possible that it’s both. That this guy got disaffected and started up the hate and then glommed on to radical Islam because it legitimizes hate.

It’s one reason I hope that the younger brother will tell us a lot.

8 efuseakay  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 1:39:34pm

Better enlist the Tea Party for an invasion of Russia!

9 Eclectic Cyborg  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 1:41:10pm

I was curious to find out if U.S. involvement/statements/attitudes towards Chechnya had anything to do with this, however I think the most likely explanation is the bombers (primarily the elder brother) disliked “immoral” U.S. mainstream culture.

10 Charles Johnson  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 1:44:41pm

re: #9 Eclectic Cyborg

I’ve looked through Dzhokhar’s Twitter feed - and if he disliked American culture it sure was not obvious from what he posted on Twitter. Talked a lot about hot babes.

11 gwangung  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 1:46:33pm

re: #10 Charles Johnson

I’ve looked through Dzhokhar’s Twitter feed - and if he disliked American culture it sure was not obvious from what he posted on Twitter. Talked a lot about hot babes.

The older brother had some run ins with the law vis a vis domestic violence…that may have started it.

12 darthstar  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 1:47:11pm

re: #10 Charles Johnson

I’ve looked through Dzhokhar’s Twitter feed - and if he disliked American culture it sure was not obvious from what he posted on Twitter. Talked a lot about hot babes.

The closest he’ll ever get to a hot babe again will be in his imagination.

13 Charles Johnson  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 1:47:13pm

The Islamists in Chechnya have disavowed any connection, by the way. That’s another reason to think it’s not an international plot. If they had staged an attack like this it wouldn’t make sense for them to deny it - that’s not how these groups work. They claim the “credit.”

14 efuseakay  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 1:47:32pm

Older brother didn’t feel like he fit in either, apparently.

15 Eclectic Cyborg  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 1:52:05pm

OT - I am currently engaged in one of my favourite post-vacation activities: Reviewing, editing and uploading all the pictures we took. I got some absolutely breathtaking shots of the Grand Canyon I will share in a little bit as well as many more. Stay tuned.

Anyone considering picking up a DSLR, I would HIGHLY recommend it.

16 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 1:52:43pm

Has anyone discounted out and out brainwashing in these situations?

17 darthstar  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 1:53:35pm

Saw this earlier today…pretty funny, actually.

Autoplay is annoying…sorry.
—URL:twitter.com/BuzzFeedAndrew/status/325661543108849665

18 Charles Johnson  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 1:54:15pm

Geller is hammering out “BOSTON JIHAD!” over and over today. She don’t need no stinking evidence.

19 Four More Tears  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 1:54:23pm

I’m very curious to see if the brothers had any connection to this.

20 efuseakay  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 1:54:55pm

re: #16 FemNaziBitch

Has anyone discounted out and out brainwashing in these situations?

Nope.

today.com

21 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 1:56:26pm

re: #20 efuseakay

Nope.

today.com

I can’t handle much more.

Why do young men (mostly) do these things?

He had a 3year old child. It makes no sense.

22 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 1:57:24pm

Dad’s out there. What could possibly make you do such thing with a 3 year old at home?

23 Eclectic Cyborg  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 1:57:58pm

re: #18 Charles Johnson

Geller is hammering out “BOSTON JIHAD!” over and over today. She don’t need no stinking evidence.

Or medicine apparently.

24 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 1:58:11pm

re: #16 FemNaziBitch

Has anyone discounted out and out brainwashing in these situations?

He was a student at school. He wasn’t brainwashed.

25 Randall Gross  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 1:58:24pm

Btw: in the license plate thread I’ve come to the conclusion that the “Terrorista#1” license plate is a novelty plate and there’s probably quite a few out there since it’s got UMASS Dartmouth’s logo on it.

26 AlexRogan  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 2:03:50pm

re: #10 Charles Johnson

I’ve looked through Dzhokhar’s Twitter feed - and if he disliked American culture it sure was not obvious from what he posted on Twitter. Talked a lot about hot babes.

I’m getting the feeling that Dzhokhar wasn’t necessarily in this for Islam or any other “cause”, but that he was involved because of his brother, out of familial loyalty and/or because his older brother cajoled him into it.

Everything I’ve seen to this point leans toward Tamerlan being the “true believer” Islamist and Dzhokhar being, more or less, a normal college-age American teenager.

Of course, I could be wrong; Dzhokhar may have willingly been in this as deep as Tamerlan, in regards to what preceded the BM bombings and ensuing chaos.

27 Charles Johnson  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 2:04:27pm

re: #25 Randall Gross

Btw: in the license plate thread I’ve come to the conclusion that the “Terrorista#1” license plate is a novelty plate and there’s probably quite a few out there since it’s got UMASS Dartmouth’s logo on it.

A friend of Dzhokhar tweeted to him using the phrase - the account’s locked now but here’s the tweet at Favstar:

favstar.fm

28 sattv4u2  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 2:06:42pm

re: #25 Randall Gross

Btw: in the license plate thread I’ve come to the conclusion that’s the “Terrorista#1” is a novelty plate and there’s probably quite a few out there since it’s got UMASS Dartmouth’s logo on it.

That’s a plate frame, not a plate

you can buy those with any number of sports teams, colleges, theme parks ,.etc ,,

google.com

29 Targetpractice  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 2:08:03pm

re: #26 AlexRogan

I’m getting the feeling that Dzhokhar wasn’t in this for Islam or any other “cause”, but that he was involved because of his brother, out of familial loyalty and/or because his older brother cajoled him into it.

Everything I’ve seen to this point leans toward Tamerlan being the “true believer” Islamist and Dzhokhar being, more or less, a normal college-age American teenager.

Considering his run-ins with both the cops and the FBI, Tamerlan seems like the kinda guy who, if he were Christian instead of Muslim, would be written of as a “lone nut.” It seems he was motivated more by anger and hate than Islam.

30 justaminute  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 2:08:59pm

Every one wants an answer to why this happened. Their religion is just but a sound bite, the psychological would require an in depth look at their entire life. Mom and dad, their life before coming to the US, their life after. I’m sure they had an excuse for committing this atrocity. No one is going to be satisfied but the people that have all ready made up their mind. But I never look for comprehensible answers from a mass murderer.

31 sattv4u2  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 2:10:33pm

re: #25 Randall Gross

The plate itself is offered at novelty stores that sell things like iron on transfers on T-Shirts or lettering on shirts, beach bags, etc

32 Stanley Sea  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 2:12:37pm

re: #30 justaminute

I posted last thread, you may have missed…nice to see ya! Hooe all is well.

33 jonhendry  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 2:13:12pm

Doesn’t seem to make sense to attack the US to support Chechnya.

Maybe the older brother took one too many shots to the head in his boxing/MMA career.

Reminds me a bit of the British convert Islamic terrorist in “Four Lions”, who kept suggesting they blow up a mosque.

Sadly the two guys in Boston were far more competent than the derps in the movie.

34 compound_Idaho  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 2:14:09pm

re: #26 AlexRogan

I’m getting the feeling that Dzhokhar wasn’t necessarily in this for Islam or any other “cause”, but that he was involved because of his brother, out of familial loyalty and/or because his older brother cajoled him into it.

Everything I’ve seen to this point leans toward Tamerlan being the “true believer” Islamist and Dzhokhar being, more or less, a normal college-age American teenager.

Of course, I could be wrong; Dzhokhar may have willingly been in this as deep as Tamerlan, in regards to what preceded the BM bombings and ensuing chaos.

There has to be a lot more to it than that, for both of them. My older brother could force my face into the lawn, make me eat grass, and say “mooo”. Nothing he could do would convince me to place bombs on a busy street.

35 jonhendry  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 2:15:05pm

re: #25 Randall Gross

It could be a customizable plate based on a template.

That’d be easy to do in a store and there’d be less risk of getting stuck with unsold stock with unpopular slogans.

36 Charles Johnson  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 2:16:06pm

Oh, and the new commenter in that thread was right - the “terrorista” phrase comes from “Harlem Shake.” I’ve heard the song but never noticed that sample: FADER Explains: Harlem Shake « The FADER

Where’d Baauer get the song’s other prominent sample, of someone yelling Con los terroristas?

The story of the terroristas sample is expectedly convoluted. In a since-deleted blog post, DJ Apt One, of the Philly DJ duo Philadelphyinz, explained his “small role” in the song’s creation. The sample first emerged in 2010, employed as part of a Philadelphyinz remix of Gregor Salto, DJ Gregory and Solo’s track “Con Alegria.” In 2011, that vocal sample was made available, a cappella, as part of T&A Breaks 3: Moombahton Loops & Samples, a compilation put together by DJ Ayres and Tittsworth. Baauer, who spent time living in Philly while working under the name Cap’nHarry and DJed at least once with Philadelphyinz, used the sample (presumably pulled from the T&A collection) and sent DJ Apt One the track in 2012. “We all appreciated the local incestuousness of [“Harlem Shake“‘s] creation,” wrote Apt One. “I can’t be happier for Philly and for Baauer getting some shine!” On a February 18th Reddit AMA, Baauer dodged a question about the sample, saying only: “found it on the innerweb.”

37 justaminute  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 2:23:05pm

re: #32 Stanley Sea

Thanks, took a break posting here. Wasted my time on a little Oklahoma blog but the wingnuts there are a lost cause. Nothing but nothing gets threw to them. I had to return here for some sanity.

38 AlexRogan  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 2:23:21pm

re: #34 compound_Idaho

There has to be a lot more to it than that, for both of them. My older brother could force my face into the lawn, make me eat grass, and say “mooo”. Nothing he could do would convince me to place bombs on a busy street.

Maybe, but people have done less heinous shit than the Tsarnaev brothers (but still pretty bad) in the name of family ties.

39 Eclectic Cyborg  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 2:24:22pm

Here are two photos I took of the Petroglyphs at the Valley of Fire park outside of Las Vegas. In each one you can see where disrespectful morons have etched their own markings into the rock and damaged incredible pieces of history.

Photo 1
Photo 2

40 A Mom Anon  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 2:24:28pm

OK, I’m going OT into politics…

Yesterday a young man, early 20s ,polo shirt,khakis and golf cap,came to my door campaigning for Paul Broun’s (R-Stark Raving Loon) senate primary to fill Saxby Chambliss’ seat. I politely declined the literature with a smile saying”yes, I know who he is and no thanks”. I am now officially the only one on this block without one of his 4x4 ft square signs in my yard. What’s pissing me off is that these signs are like ONE freaking inch away from my property line almost at road level on both sides. Seriously? You jackasses couldn’t put the signs in the middle of your own stupid yard?

Sigh, and Paul Broun? Seriously? I need to take up drinking. Heavily. Daily.

41 Eclectic Cyborg  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 2:25:35pm

re: #40 A Mom Anon

OK, I’m going OT into politics…

Yesterday a young man, early 20s ,polo shirt,khakis and golf cap,came to my door campaigning for Paul Broun’s (R-Stark Raving Loon) senate primary to fill Saxby Chambliss’ seat. I politely declined the literature with a smile saying”yes, I know who he is and no thanks”. I am now officially the only one on this block without one of his 4x4 ft square signs in my yard. What’s pissing me off is that these signs are like ONE freaking inch away from my property line almost at road level on both sides. Seriously? You jackasses couldn’t put the signs in the middle of your own stupid yard?

Sigh, and Paul Broun? Seriously? I need to take up drinking. Heavily. Daily.

Keep a close watch. If they end up on your actual property, yank em on site.

42 Charles Johnson  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 2:27:45pm

re: #39 Eclectic Cyborg

Here are two photos I took of the Petroglyphs at the Valley of Fire park outside of Las Vegas. In each one you can see where disrespectful morons have etched their own markings into the rock and damaged incredible pieces of history.

Photo 1
Photo 2

Ouch.

43 sattv4u2  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 2:28:41pm

re: #40 A Mom Anon

these signs are like ONE freaking inch away from my property line

Place a potted plant next to it till election season is over

44 sattv4u2  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 2:29:37pm

re: #39 Eclectic Cyborg

Here are two photos I took of the Petroglyphs at the Valley of Fire park outside of Las Vegas. You can see where disrespectful morons have etched their own markings into the rock and damaged incredible pieces of history.

Photo 1
Photo 2

asses

45 Dr. Matt  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 2:30:03pm

Boston bombing survivor needs donations to pay his medical bills

Jeff Bauman, Jr., who helped authorities in their search for the suspects connected to Monday’s bombing at the Boston Marathon, has taken to social media to enlist help in paying his medical bills.

Think Progress reported on Friday that a donation page has been set up to pay the $300,000 in medical bills for Jeff Bauman, Jr., who was photographed being taken away from the explosion site by wheelchair after losing his legs in the bombing, an image that was widely circulated online.

The good news…..the website has raised nearly $400,000!!

—-> gofundme.com

46 A Mom Anon  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 2:31:30pm

re: #41 Eclectic Cyborg

LOL, oh I know, I’m hoping for a big storm or something move them into my yard so I can gently pluck them up and pitch them. I really wouldn’t mind if there were normal sized,but the damned things are huge and obnoxious, mostly black with lots of red and white lettering.

It’s hard being a liberal around here sometimes. I can’t help but think that sign placement was kind of on purpose. There’s a lot of space they could have put it in instead of right up to the teeny tiny edge of my yard. On both sides, come on.

47 bubba zanetti  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 2:31:39pm

re: #36 Charles Johnson

Yeah, search “con los terroristas” on YouTube and you get piles of Spanish language Harlem Shake videos - almost like the track was bootlegged under the name “Con Los Terroristas” instead of Baauer.

48 Charles Johnson  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 2:32:24pm

re: #39 Eclectic Cyborg

But on the other hand, isn’t that what the petroglyphs were in the first place?

(I know, I know, I’ll shut up.)

49 Stanley Sea  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 2:34:32pm

re: #37 justaminute

Thanks, took a break posting here. Wasted my time on a little Oklahoma blog but the wingnuts there are a lost cause. Nothing but nothing gets threw to them. I had to return here for some sanity.

Heh. At least you tried. I can barely read the derp less respond to it.

50 122 Year Old Obama  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 2:35:55pm

re: #49 Stanley Sea

The term “chronic aneurysm” comes to mind.

51 sattv4u2  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 2:36:39pm

re: #37 justaminute

nothing gets threw to them.
maybe if you stopped throwing things at them, they’d be more receptive!!!

// (j/k ,, ESPECIALLY from me,, King Of The Typos!!)

52 sattv4u2  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 2:37:28pm

Red Sox win
Celtics lose
Bruins lose

1/3 Happy Dance

53 A Mom Anon  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 2:38:30pm

re: #43 sattv4u2

You are genius. Not a potted plant, but I am sure I can find something fast growing that will hide them until this madness is over. Lots of sunflowers or something maybe…

54 sattv4u2  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 2:39:35pm

re: #53 A Mom Anon

You are genius. Not a potted plant, but I am sure I can find something fast growing that will hide them until this madness is over. Lots of sunflowers or something maybe…

Exactly

We’re in the south! Just put an old pick-up truck on blocks next to them for a month or so!!
/

55 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 2:39:39pm

re: #53 A Mom Anon

You are genius. Not a potted plant, but I am sure I can find something fast growing that will hide them until this madness is over. Lots of sunflowers or something maybe…

Or just make your own signs.
“These signs belong to them ——>” or something.

56 abolitionist  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 2:40:19pm

re: #53 A Mom Anon

You are genius. Not a potted plant, but I am sure I can find something fast growing that will hide them until this madness is over. Lots of sunflowers or something maybe…

Can you place your garbage can(s) near the street, even if it’s not trash day?

57 efuseakay  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 2:40:20pm

re: #24 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

He was a student at school. He wasn’t brainwashed.

Not sure how the two are mutually exclusive… Who did he associate when not in school?

58 Eclectic Cyborg  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 2:40:34pm

re: #45 Dr. Matt

Boston bombing survivor needs donations to pay his medical bills

The good news…..the website has raised nearly $400,000!!

—-> gofundme.com

It’s great they raised the money but I really think the Hospital should have forgiven some of that debt.

59 sattv4u2  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 2:40:42pm

re: #53 A Mom Anon

I can find something fast growing

Kudzu

60 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 2:40:49pm

bbl

61 sattv4u2  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 2:42:09pm

re: #57 efuseakay

Not sure how the two are mutually exclusive… Who did he associate when not in school?

Yeah. i kinda scratched my head on that one also. At the very least, looks as if older brother in had a heavy influence on him

62 Jimmah  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 2:42:59pm

Gotta agree. Islamism in this case does not look like being the real motivation here, if anything at all looks more like the pious polish on the shit of some base and as yet unknown butthurt.

63 A Mom Anon  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 2:43:36pm

re: #59 sattv4u2

Oh hell no. The house across the street has a serious issue with that crap, they are always having to cut it back. It killed a couple of trees that ended up landing on their roof. That stuff scares me, lol, it can grow like a foot a day in the right circumstances.

64 justaminute  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 2:47:09pm

re: #51 sattv4u2

nothing gets threw to them.
maybe if you stopped throwing things at them, they’d be more receptive!!!

// (j/k ,, ESPECIALLY from me,, King Of The Typos!!)

Hey, if you spent some time with them, you would be throwing stuff too. Seriously, you can lose IQ points when responding over and over to their comments. I quit weeks ago trying but their still to this day trying to respond to my comments.

65 Charles Johnson  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 2:49:35pm

Also wrong in the Daily Mail story — those people were not arrested: Three People Questioned in Connection With Boston Bombings.

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Three people in New Bedford, Massachusetts were questioned and released on Friday in connection with the Boston Marathon bombings, law enforcement officials said.

The announcement came as police captured Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, 19, one of two brothers suspected of carrying out the twin blasts on Monday that killed three people and injured 176 others at the finish line of the Boston foot race. His brother, Tamerlan Tsarnaev, was killed overnight.

“No one was detained. No one was arrested,” a spokesman with the Massachusetts FBI office said.

66 sattv4u2  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 2:50:34pm

re: #63 A Mom Anon

Oh hell no. The house across the street has a serious issue with that crap, they are always having to cut it back. It killed a couple of trees that ended up landing on their roof. That stuff scares me, lol, it can grow like a foot a day in the right circumstances.

Was kidding. That stuff’s a curse. Here at work, once every other year, we have to have a professional company come in and defoliate it

((photo on the left ,,, all the greenery around our complex gets overtaken with the stuff,, starts spreading into the dish farm))

Image: atlantateleport.jpg

67 Targetpractice  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 2:52:01pm

“Ah Mike, I see you’ve decided to go psycho. Godspeed.”

The wonders of Youtube.

68 Dr. Matt  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 2:52:09pm

re: #65 Charles Johnson

Also wrong in the Daily Mail story — those people were not arrested: Three People Questioned in Connection With Boston Bombings.

Anyone know if it is SOP to handcuff someone who is merely being questioned?

69 Jimmah  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 2:53:20pm

re: #43 sattv4u2

these signs are like ONE freaking inch away from my property line

Place a potted plant next to it till election season is over

70 klys  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 2:54:30pm

With all the info coming out on the West, TX explosion, I may need to do another page. Assuming I don’t spend the day working on stuff around the house.

I’m sort of planning to pretend that the whole Boston thing doesn’t exist this weekend. I think my sanity is safer that way.

71 A Mom Anon  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 2:54:34pm

re: #66 sattv4u2

The english ivy around here is almost as big of a pain in the ass as the kudzu is. I can see how kudzu could really mess up all the equipment at your work if it managed to get a foothold. It’ll totally destroy stone walls, 100 yr old trees and even houses if it takes root.

72 sattv4u2  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 2:55:59pm

Okay. So I’m at work. Decide to pop a Red Baron Deep Dish Single refrigerated pizza into the toaster oven. Look on the back to see at what temp/ how much time it should cook

COOKING INTRUCTIONS:
Cook before eating
Remove pizza and tray from film overwrap


I do NOT want to meet the person the Red Baron company knew they had to write that for!!!

73 wrenchwench  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 2:57:28pm

re: #68 Dr. Matt

Anyone know if it is SOP to handcuff someone who is merely being questioned?

I don’t think it’s standard, or proper, but it certainly happens.

74 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 2:57:56pm

re: #72 sattv4u2

They did it cheap. They got the file clerk to write it. //

75 bubba zanetti  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 3:00:18pm

The “terrorist” themes go back before the sample in the “Harlem Shake” - DJ Vadim’s “Terrorist” was pretty popular due to its pre-dubstep wobbly bassline (and heavy rotation by DJ Z-Trip in his sets) and it pops up in other anti-establishment forms (see Public Enemy or Paris). It’s been forever alluded to in the graffiti world, mostly notable in their adoption of the word ‘bomb’ to describe painting grafitti (and variations such as ‘bomber’, etc).

76 A Mom Anon  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 3:01:51pm

re: #72 sattv4u2

I have a hair dryer with a tag on the cord that says not to operate it while sleeping and not to use it in the shower or bathtub.

Stupid knows no limits, I guess they put that crap on there for liability reasons.

77 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 3:03:46pm

Older Suspect Described As Controlling, Manipulative

….he had started off in 2007 sort of partying with them - he would smoke, and he would drink - and then sometime around 2008, they say he became very religious, and he stopped smoking, and he stopped drinking, and he stopped going out with them. And it was at that point that they say he demanded that Katherine also convert to Islam and cover herself.

BLOCK: Did these women talk about his political views, anything he might’ve said about that?

SULLIVAN: They said that when they first met him, he didn’t seem particular political in any way, but that starting in about 2008 and 2009, they describe it as having an extremist point of view, that he started talking about being angry with the government, and he said that he felt that Islam was under attack.

78 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 3:05:33pm

re: #76 A Mom Anon

I have a hair dryer with a tag on the cord that says not to operate it while sleeping and not to use it in the shower or bathtub.

Stupid knows no limits, I guess they put that crap on there for liability reasons.

I think that must be why ladders are so damn expensive at the hardware store. I guess much of the expense is just covering legal costs for people who fall off.

79 Buck  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 3:05:46pm

I might have missed it, but has the youtube page been proven to not be connected?

There does seem to be a hint there.

I do think there had to be some bomb making training. Historically novice bomb makers, without training, blow themselves up (or at least lose a finger).

They haven’t found where they built the bombs (they will find residue if it was in their home).

It is always possible that this won’t be simply young males, between the ages of 18 and 35, who self identify as Muslim, using home made improvised explosives against civilians in the West.

80 HoosierHoops  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 3:06:18pm

re: #55 Backwoods_Sleuth

Or just make your own signs.
“These signs belong to them ——>” or something.

Make your own sign and place it right next to it..
’ Friends don’t let friends vote for the GOP ‘

81 sattv4u2  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 3:11:47pm

re: #53 A Mom Anon

re: #80 HoosierHoops

Make your own sign and place it right next to it..
’ Friends don’t let friends vote for the GOP ‘

OR,, place this one pointing to theirs

Image: stupid.jpg

82 A Mom Anon  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 3:21:15pm

re: #81 sattv4u2

LOL, no, that might get a cross burned in my yard. I’m only half kidding.

83 sattv4u2  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 3:25:37pm

re: #82 A Mom Anon

LOL, no, that might get a cross burned in my yard. I’m only half kidding.

Speaking of which, when I 1st moved down here (about 14 years ago) a LOT of people would burn their lawns (bermudagrass or zoysigrass) every other spring or fall

I haven’t seen much of that in past years

I know WHY they did it,, just not sure why they STOPPED doing it

84 Eclectic Cyborg  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 3:27:04pm

re: #83 sattv4u2

Speaking of which, when I 1st moved down here (about 14 years ago) a LOT of people would burn their lawns (bermudagrass or zoysigrass) every other spring or fall

I haven’t seen much of that in past years

I know WHY they did it,, just not sure why they STOPPED doing it

New ordinance banning it perhaps?

85 Varek Raith  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 3:27:43pm

re: #83 sattv4u2

Speaking of which, when I 1st moved down here (about 14 years ago) a LOT of people would burn their lawns (bermudagrass or zoysigrass) every other spring or fall

I haven’t seen much of that in past years

I know WHY they did it,, just not sure why they STOPPED doing it

86 sattv4u2  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 3:28:43pm

re: #84 Eclectic Cyborg

New ordinance banning it perhaps?

Nope,, I checked with my county this past fall. As long as there’s no water ban, it’s okay

87 aagcobb  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 3:29:39pm

re: #22 FemNaziBitch

Dad’s out there. What could possibly make you do such thing with a 3 year old at home?

Nothing. What makes some minds receptive to self-destructive memes is a mystery to me. The older brother was apparently, in the words of his uncle, a loser, so perhaps immersing himself in whatever gave him something he was missing in life when his Olympic dream fell through, such as that his life had some meaning or purpose or a sense of being powerful.

88 sattv4u2  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 3:30:00pm

re: #84 Eclectic Cyborg

re: #86 sattv4u2

Nope,, I checked with my county this past fall. As long as there’s no water ban, it’s okay

((we occasionally have total or partial outdoor water bans depending on the level of Lake Lanier))

89 A Mom Anon  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 3:30:42pm

re: #83 sattv4u2

Fire and burning regulations probably. Most of the Atlanta metro I think has a ban on burning yard waste(and your yard,lol) from May 1 til Sept 1.

91 sattv4u2  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 3:32:06pm

re: #89 A Mom Anon

Fire and burning regulations probably. Most of the Atlanta metro I think has a ban on burning yard waste(and your yard,lol) from May 1 til Sept 1.

Yes, but that excludes Sept 2 till April 30, and as I said, I used to see a lot of it in the fall and early spring

92 Four More Tears  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 3:34:00pm
93 sattv4u2  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 3:36:29pm

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94 A Mom Anon  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 3:36:40pm

re: #91 sattv4u2

Maybe people got scared to do it when we had that big drought a few years back. I remember seeing the burning in some places when I first moved down here from Ohio in the 80s. Maybe with all the development since then it’s just not done much anymore. I can’t imagine people doing that in a subdivision with those teeny little yards. I’ve only seen it done where there’s older homes with bigger yards like mine. We thought about doing it a few years ago(our yard is more wildflowers and weeds than grass) but the husband was afraid we’d set the fence or the house on fire,lol.

95 dragonath  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 3:39:10pm

It doesn’t matter why they hate us, they just do

I don’t understand why trying to even grasp a glimmer of the bombers motive is making people feel guilty, but, whatever.

96 sattv4u2  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 3:43:02pm

re: #94 A Mom Anon

Maybe people got scared to do it when we had that big drought a few years back. I remember seeing the burning in some places when I first moved down here from Ohio in the 80s. Maybe with all the development since then it’s just not done much anymore. I can’t imagine people doing that in a subdivision with those teeny little yards. I’ve only seen it done where there’s older homes with bigger yards like mine. We thought about doing it a few years ago(our yard is more wildflowers and weeds than grass) but the husband was afraid we’d set the fence or the house on fire,lol.

We did it the 1st spring we were here (at the recommendation of the seller, as they hadn’t done it in a couple of years ) and it really worked well, although it looked terrible until the grass grew through the “burn”

Haven’t done it since because I have the front sprayed 5-6 times a year and have a real good mower

97 jonhendry  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 4:00:14pm

re: #81 sattv4u2

re: #80 HoosierHoops

OR,, place this one pointing to theirs

Image: stupid.jpg

What would be ideal is one of those peeing Calvins, peeing on the Broun sign, but with Charles Darwin instead of Calvin.

98 CuriousLurker  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 4:00:21pm

re: #95 dragonath

It doesn’t matter why they hate us, they just do

I don’t understand why trying to even grasp a glimmer of the bombers motive is making people feel guilty, but, whatever.

People are speculating wildly about motive and making a LOT of assumptions based on what they’ve read about jihadists. Most have little or no understanding of Islam, let alone jihadist ideology—hell, I’ve been Muslim 20 years and don’t have a very good understanding of jihadist ideology.

I mean, I’m fairly familiar with how Wahhabi/Salafi types think as I’ve had my confrontations with them over the years, but as unpleasant as fundies can be, being a Wahhabi/Salafi is not synonymous with being a violent, radical Islamist/jihadi any more than being an Evangelical Christian is synonymous with the desire to bomb abortion clinics.

People are angry and it’s preventing them from thinking rationally.

99 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 4:06:52pm

re: #55 Backwoods_Sleuth

Or just make your own signs.
“These signs belong to them ——>” or something.

An equally sized “I’m with stupid —->” sign?

:)

Or just plant some morning glories and let them overrun it.

100 stabby  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 4:09:11pm

My initial thought was that it was some kid who got his idea of jihad off the internet. Whether that’s real jihad or not isn’t as meaningful as it sounds. It’s a mystical fantasy either way. Whether it’s some stupid brand from Al Qaeda or some stupid brand invented by idiots in a forum, or some “authentic” brand made up by clerics in Mecca, what difference does that make?

Defining authenticity in religion is an ironic concept when all are delusions from beginning to end.

101 sattv4u2  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 4:09:24pm

re: #99 Feline Fearless Leader

An equally sized “I’m with stupid -—>” sign?

:)

Or just plant some morning glories and let them overrun it.

too late
littlegreenfootballs.com

102 Destro  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 4:14:48pm

re: #95 dragonath

It doesn’t matter why they hate us, they just do

I don’t understand why trying to even grasp a glimmer of the bombers motive is making people feel guilty, but, whatever.

If it is not Islamism then what is it? We bombed Serbia for 79 days. Lot’s of Serbs here. No terrorism from Serbian immigrants to get back at America yet.

We helped Albanian Muslims against the Serbs yet the 2007 Fort Dix plot was being hatched by a group of six radical Islamist Albanians from Kosovo all in their mid-20s. A 25-year-old naturalized American from Kosovo named named Sami Osmakac (around the same age as the Chechen) was arrested in Tampa, Fla., in a federal sting operation, while planning a terrorist attack on local nightclubs.

The USA helped the Albanian cause with blood and treasure and was officially sympathetic to Chechens against the Russians as well.

Yet, the ones the USA was lined up against, the Russians, the Serbs have not carried out any terrorist attacks on the USA and the people the USA helped out did.

Plenty of Russian immigrants here. Plenty of Serb immigrants here. Both with reasons to hate America as in we armed and attacked them via their enemies and it’s the people from the communities the USA helped like Chechens and Albanians that are being implicated in terror attacks. The Albanian ones failed and were caught ahead of time.

Russia warned the USA twice about this Chechen Tamerlane I am now finding out and outside of an FBI visit 2 years ago nothing else was done.

So what is it?

103 sugikoi  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 4:17:44pm

Its clearer to me everyday that it is antisocial pathology flavored with Islamism. I think there is a possibility they were trained but more likely they were two sick kids wanna-be Al-Queda, as much because AQ is the ultimate in anti-social as it is Islamic.

104 stabby  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 4:18:51pm

re: #102 Destro

Russia warned the USA twice about this Chechen Tamerlane I am now finding out and outside of an FBI visit 2 years ago nothing else was done.

Well there you go, one of the problems with terrorism being treated as crime. If it’s just crime then you can suspect that someone is extremely dangerous but if you can’t prove it in court then there’s nothing you can do about it.

105 stabby  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 4:20:04pm

And one reason that you might not be able to prove it in court is that court proceedings are public

106 stabby  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 4:22:38pm

re: #103 sugikoi

There is no reason that the “pathology” has to go deeper than belief.

One of the reasons that right wingers are so much more scared of Islamists than lefties is that THEY understand that your entire worldview can be decided by your specific religious beliefs. There doesn’t have to be any pathology at all to become a dangerous fanatic, you only need dangerous beliefs.

107 Destro  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 4:27:25pm

re: #104 stabby

Well there you go, one of the problems with terrorism being treated as crime. If it’s just crime then you can suspect that someone is extremely dangerous but if you can’t prove it in court then there’s nothing you can do about it.

That’s BS. No one is saying arrest anyone on suspicion. There are KKK outfits all over this country. KKK members are not arrested for belonging to a proven terrorist organization but they are monitored with informants all over these right wing groups (as it should be).

If Russia tells you twice this guy is hanging out with and visiting with extremist groups in his homeland then pay attention and keep tabs on the guy.

108 stabby  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 4:31:18pm

re: #107 Destro

The British have responded to terrorism by:
1) not bothering the recruiting process at all, rather being obsequious. Not prosecuting even for rather extreme incitement. Sucking up to extremists, trying to buy them off.
2) but keeping everyone under heavy surveillance. London probably has more cameras posted than any city in the world.

I hate their solution.

109 Destro  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 4:37:34pm

re: #108 stabby

The British have responded to terrorism by:
1) not bothering the recruiting process at all, rather being obsequious. Not prosecuting even for rather extreme incitement. Sucking up to extremists, trying to buy them off.
2) but keeping everyone under heavy surveillance. London probably has more cameras posted than any city in the world.

I hate their solution.

The British also maybe find Islamists useful for geopolitical reasons so that could be why leave them mostly alone.

110 stabby  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 4:46:05pm

I think they just don’t like confrontations.

111 sugikoi  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 4:46:30pm

re: #106 stabby

There is no reason that the “pathology” has to go deeper than belief.

One of the reasons that right wingers are so much more scared of Islamists than lefties is that THEY understand that your entire worldview can be decided by your specific religious beliefs. There doesn’t have to be any pathology at all to become a dangerous fanatic, you only need dangerous beliefs.

I think most of the New Athiests and Bill Maher are not right wingers and they believe that religion is all you need.

112 CriticalDragon1177  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 5:10:35pm

Charles Johnson,

“Countdown to giant Pamela Geller freakout”

You mean to tell me that Geller hasn’t already had a freaked out over this?

By the way, I’m really glad Dzhokhar was captured. Now he can be brought to justice.

113 chadu  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 5:19:25pm

I think this might be a BINGO of all our current strife:
* Terrorist
* Muslim (who knows how radicalized?)
* Both foreign and domestic
* Guns (why target the last mile except to mutilate Newtown?)
* Crazy

Perfect storm of WTF.

114 biorabbi  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 5:39:50pm

I believe one of the brothers may have been radicalized on the internet. This is my hunch based on some of his links he liked. As for Charles point about Chechens extremists never having attacked the US. While technically true in terms of a terrorist attack, there was a Chechen contingent in Bin Laden’s camp and cross-pollination from Saudi extremists back into Chechnya. My point. I assume the US battled against some Chechens in Afganistan and probably there are some Chechens in Gitmo(ore were).

I don’t believe these kids were linked to a formal Jihadist group, but more loosely radicalized by nut jobs online. I believe Andrew Sullivan describes them as ”wannabe” Jihadists.

A very brief look on Youtube shows every varietal of hatred… Jews, Jews, Jews, gays, Jihadists, ect…ect…ect… It’s almost as if the haters endlessly troll for the weak minded. They created avatars as Muslims while leading western, non-pious lives, dabbling in Islam, rap music, boxing and pot. But even this analysis doesn’t jibe, unless they markedly changed in the past two years time, but this doesn’t seem to be the case as expressed by one of the brother’s tweets.

As for the target of the Boston Marathon. If it was Jihadist inspired in the accepted sense, wouldn’t they have posted a video, extolling the case of Chechen independence? If it was “Jihad,” then it appears a “Jihad” in their own minds.

In some ways, such actions as these two kids or the Batman kid is more scary than UBL. There are no demands, logic with this batch of terrorists. Just hatred and burn the house down.

115 Aligarr  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 5:49:28pm

If Secondary [religion] , then what would be the primary reason for the bombing ?
-judging by what the Uncle said of him , [the older brother ] in fact two uncles , I would say he was radicalized somewhere along the line . And that term radicalized merely means acquainted with and embracing fundamentalist principles of islam . Jihad means “struggle ” and you dont need an organization to be on a “jihad ” . The Iranian student at the college that decided to get an SUV and start running down random people was a loner …a jihadi / the Egyptian who at the top of the Empire state buildingstarted shooting people , was not connected to any organization .
The Reality is , that muslims who embrace the salafi , wahabi or other radical /fundamentalist views DO NOT NEED a Reason or Organization to give them orders . There are muslims and there are infidels /kufar, and killing them is of no consequence . There is a reward for dieing while doing so . The older brother said ” he had no freinds , Americans do not understand ” , understand what ? Islam . We in the west are infidels and live as infidels , in that world view . His Uncles saw it coming although not how or when . The uicide vest kinda sinches it , and the younger brothers lack thereof proves he was not convinced but was going along with his brother who used him . Even his own blood , his brother becomes expendable in jihad , for it is the will of allah if one or both lives or dies .
The Globe reporter can look all he wants for “the primary reason ” , but this is what he will find . I believe the suicide vest was for a second attack or for a final confrontation with police ./ In essence this was a suicide attack .

116 stabby  Sat, Apr 20, 2013 6:21:29pm

re: #114 biorabbi


In some ways, such actions as these two kids or the Batman kid is more scary than UBL. There are no demands, logic with this batch of terrorists. Just hatred and burn the house down.

I disagree. To the extent that UBL had rational goals for his war they weren’t about us at all. Al Qaeda had already failed to gain popularity and he hoped that being seen attacking the infidel would garner his group that popularity.

There’s not a damn thing you can do to make peace with someone when you’re just a prop and a scape goat for his people.


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