Injured Bombing Suspect Charged - Will Not Be Tried as “Enemy Combatant”

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Just in from Reuters, news about bombing suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev:

UPDATE at 4/22/13 10:10:42 am

Hate group leader Pamela Geller reacts predictably: OBAMA WILL NOT CHARGE BOSTON JIHAD BOMBERS AS ENEMY COMBATANTS!!!!!

If not them, then who? Obama is treating this as a crime. Law enforcement? I expect Obama would charge Nazi war crimes as a law enforcement matter as well.

This is war, and Obama’s furious fantasist denial of reality is deadly, and the American people are in the crosshairs.

UPDATE at 4/22/13 10:44:24 am

Here’s the Justice Department complaint filed against Dzhokhar Tsarnaev (PDF); he’s being charged with using a weapon of mass destruction.

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418 comments
1 Big Steve  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:05:48am

I am happy to hear this…..I trust the US criminal justice system far more than I trust “military justice.”

2 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:06:30am

Was John Lindh tried as “enemy combatant”?

3 erik_t  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:07:26am

Good. He’s not.

4 BLUE POINT SAVORY  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:07:54am

It’s revealing to me that the GOP/TP hacks are the ones who have been telling all their rubes for years that the government wants to take away their freedoms and liberties and rights. Then they step right up and demand that an American citizen be stripped of his rights and tried in a military court. So if that line is crossed, will there be crimes that strip you of rights? Crimes that allow unfettered prosecution with no representation? WTF.

5 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:09:09am

Yesterday that douche Donald Trump was Tweeting about waterboarding Tsarnaev.

6 lawhawk  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:09:29am

re: #2 Vicious Babushka

Originally held in prison in Afghanistan after being captured on the battlefield, he was brought to trial in United States federal court in February 2002. Took a plea deal and sentenced to 20yrs without parole.

7 BLUE POINT SAVORY  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:10:46am

re: #5 Vicious Babushka

Yesterday that douche Donald Trump was Tweeting about waterboarding Tsarnaev.

Trump and Huckleberry ClosetCase are tough hombres. King too. Hard. Rough. Tough. Bad.

8 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:10:57am

Hate group leader Pamela Geller reacts predictably: OBAMA WILL NOT CHARGE BOSTON JIHAD BOMBERS AS ENEMY COMBATANTS!!!!!

If not them, then who? Obama is treating this as a crime. Law enforcement? I expect Obama would charge Nazi war crimes as a law enforcement matter as well.

This is war, and Obama’s furious fantasist denial of reality is deadly, and the American people are in the crosshairs.

9 Charleston Chew  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:11:22am

We’ll never know what a Romney administration would have done, but I’m going to go out on a limb and suggest that this should be added to the “There Really Is A Difference Between The 2 Parties, You Ralph-Nader-Voting Mother Fuckers” file.

Sorry to get rude, but the 21st century has been rubbing me the wrong way.

10 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:11:30am

re: #8 Charles Johnson

Hate group leader Pamela Geller reacts predictably: OBAMA WILL NOT CHARGE BOSTON JIHAD BOMBERS AS ENEMY COMBATANTS!!!!!

What foreign entity are we at war with?

11 Bulworth  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:11:50am

re: #10 Vicious Babushka

Saudi nationals who are persons of interest./

12 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:12:22am

re: #11 Bulworth

Saudi nationals who are persons of interest./

But not KSA because George W. Bush hugged and kissed them after 9/11.

13 BLUE POINT SAVORY  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:13:09am

re: #10 Vicious Babushka

What foreign entity are we at war with?

THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BECAUSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (/)

14 Bulworth  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:13:14am

re: #10 Vicious Babushka

Radical Muslim Jihad!!1111

15 Lidane  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:13:32am

The kid’s an American citizen. As horrifying and barbaric as his actions were, we’ve got the mechanisms in place to charge and imprison him. The civilian justice system worked in the McVeigh case and it will work here too.

All these armchair generals want to waterboard him then strip his citizenship and send him to Gitmo can get bent. We’re a nation of laws for a reason.

16 Charleston Chew  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:13:59am

re: #8 Charles Johnson

If not them, then who? Obama is treating this as a crime. Law enforcement? I expect Obama would charge Nazi war crimes as a law enforcement matter as well.

Uh…. enemy combatants, maybe?

17 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:14:15am

OBAMA’S FURIOUS FANTASIST DENIAL OF REALITY IS DEADLY!

18 Tigger2  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:14:40am

I believe the brother that was killed was the enemy combatant, and he should have been treated like that if he had lived, but not the younger brother I doubt he would have never thought of doing this I’m sure it was his older brothers idea.

19 Dr. Matt  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:14:52am

How come none of these teahadists were screeching for Jared Lee Loughner to be tried as an “enemy combatant”?

20 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:15:07am

Meanwhile wingnuts are focused like a laser beam.

21 erik_t  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:15:08am

re: #15 Lidane

The kid’s an American citizen.

And even if he weren’t, it wouldn’t matter. He committed civil crimes and he shall be handled by the civil justice system as required by the Bill of Rights.

22 Bulworth  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:15:40am

re: #17 Charles Johnson

Needless to say, last week’s Marathon attack has prolonged her and Spencer’s anti-jihadish careers by another several years.

23 Mattand  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:15:59am

re: #9 Charleston Chew

We’ll never know what a Romney administration would have done, I’m going to go out on a limb and suggest that this should be added to the “There Really Is A Difference Between The 2 Parties, You Ralph-Nader-Voting Mother Fuckers” file.

Sorry to get rude, but the 21st century has been rubbing me the wrong way.

No need for apology. I’ve long been convinced that the 21st century is simply the 20th century with cooler gadgets. Lord know we don’t appear to be any smarter here In The Future™.

24 Bulworth  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:16:20am

re: #19 Dr. Matt

Because LONE WOLF! /

25 Dr. Matt  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:17:39am

re: #20 Vicious Babushka

222 DAYS since 4 AMERICAN HEROES were KILLED by terrorists in Benghazi! This President couldn’t care less #PJNET #CTOT #TCOT #TGDN #OPSLAM
— Republican Believer (@cubfanbeerguy) April 21, 2013

Does he expect President Obama to use his secret Muslim Socialist sorcery to bring back the dead to life?

26 Bulworth  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:18:03am

re: #20 Vicious Babushka

“Republican Believer”….”Beer Guy”

Yeah, sounds mighty virtuous and principled. //

27 Lidane  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:18:34am

re: #21 erik_t

And even if he weren’t, it wouldn’t matter. He committed civil crimes and he shall be handled by the civil justice system as required by the Bill of Rights.

Well, yes. But the fact that he’s a citizen needs to be repeated endlessly until these RWNJ dipshits catch on. Yeah, his family came here from abroad, but he grew up here and was natrualized an American.

We’ve got a legal system that can handle this kid and his crimes. We don’t need to send him to a military tribunal or to Gitmo. Supermax can handle him just fine.

28 Randall Gross  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:20:10am

Phew! Well I got it somewhat right here & don’t have egg on my face then.

29 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:20:26am

Wingnuts also claiming he was an OBUMA VOTER!!11!!!!! based on some lame Tweets.

30 Bulworth  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:20:45am

re: #20 Vicious Babushka

Sounds like there is some serious meme confusion at TGDN. There must be at least a weeklong lag between the old Benghazi meme and the new SaudiNationalObummerNotKeepingUsSAfememe.

31 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:21:36am

We are a nation of Laws not Men —unless someone is especially mad at a criminal?

WTF

32 Charleston Chew  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:21:37am

re: #18 Tigger2

I believe the brother that was killed was the enemy combatant, and he should have been treated like that if he had lived, but not the younger brother I doubt he would have never thought of doing this without his older brother.

But that brings up an interesting point - if the older brother is an ‘enemy combatant’ because of his connections, then the younger brother fits the definition as well, because of his connection to the older brother. You can’t draw the line arbitrarily.

33 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:23:01am

re: #30 Bulworth

Sounds like there is some serious meme confusion at TGDN. There must be at least a weeklong lag between the old Benghazi meme and the new SaudiNationalObummerNotKeepingUsSAfememe.

BENGHAZI!!11!!!! is their Blue Blankie. You will notice almost all TGDN posters have the big BENGHAZI!!11!!!! Twibbon on their profiles but nobody has a Newtown or a Boston Twibbon.

34 brennant  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:24:10am

re: #15 Lidane

All these armchair generals want to waterboard him then strip his citizenship and send him to Gitmo can get bent. We’re a nation of laws for a reason.

I had to read this twice as I thought it said “air hair generals”.

35 Dr. Matt  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:24:34am

With the new fake outrages that occur on a weekly basis, it’s only a matter of time before teabagger tweets are nothing but 140 characters of hastags.

36 darthstar  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:24:37am

Lindsey Graham has a sad.

37 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:24:41am

re: #32 Charleston Chew

But that brings up an interesting point - if the older brother is an ‘enemy combatant’ because of his connections, then the younger brother fits the definition as well, because of his connection to the older brother. You can’t draw the line arbitrarily.

One was a citizen, one was not —no?

38 Bulworth  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:25:16am

re: #31 FemNaziBitch

We are a nation of Laws not Men —unless someone is especially mad at a criminal?

WTF

Obummer is ripping up the Constitution by not ripping up the rule of law!!1111!!!

39 Bulworth  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:25:52am

re: #35 Dr. Matt

And may that day come soon, Lord God.

40 HappyWarrior  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:26:08am

Pam’s just mad that there’s not going to be a drawing and quartering and beating up random Muslims.

41 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:26:14am

re: #8 Charles Johnson

Hate group leader Pamela Geller reacts predictably: OBAMA WILL NOT CHARGE BOSTON JIHAD BOMBERS AS ENEMY COMBATANTS!!!!!

Yeah, predictable.

Maybe Pammy can elaborate as to precisely which sovereign nation state we’re at war with? Because when I consult my handy-dandy world wap, I’ve yet to see “Islam” as a country. Unlike, say, Germany from the years 1941-1945, or the Empire of Japan.

42 Charleston Chew  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:26:36am

re: #23 Mattand

No need for apology. I’ve long been convinced that the 21st century is simply the 20th century with cooler gadgets. Lord know we don’t appear to be any smarter here In The FutureTM.

100 different kinds of toothbrushes and yet you can still get the measles.

43 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:27:26am
44 lawhawk  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:28:12am

Being tried in federal court. Yeah, that’s shocking alright. Crime perpetrated in US, caught by US law enforcement in US and evidence gathered in US.

But all the rules and constitutional protections get thrown out the window because he carried out a terror attack on US soil? That’s where the right wing wants to go with this? They’re angry that the guy isn’t being waterboarded or tried before a military tribunal?

The outcome will still essentially be the same - at least life in prison, if not death penalty. Evidence gathered will be subject to national security oversight/protections - preventing sensitive gathering measures from being presented in open court, all while giving the terrorist his constitutional protections (he was and still is a US citizen and carried out the crimes on US soil). The right’s belief that he should be treated to something else runs contrary to the right’s ongoing claim that they’re all about protecting civil rights and liberties from the encroachment of the government and restricting our rights.

They don’t get the fact that abridging the right to a trial is a fundamental violation of our constitutional rights. They don’t get more fundamental than that. Toss aside that right to a trial in favor of a tribunal, even though the guy was caught here and all the evidence should be preserved in conformance with US evidenciary rules.

45 HappyWarrior  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:28:21am

So does Pam want the guy who sent ricin to Obama and Senator Wicker to be tried as an enemy combatant too or is that only for zomg MUslims. Good god she’s stupid. And then to act like Obama would have had Nazi war criminals tried in the US court system. The guy’s an AMerican citizen you psycho.

46 Charleston Chew  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:28:48am

re: #37 FemNaziBitch

One was a citizen, one was not —no?

Oh I forget about that.

47 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:29:06am

re: #43 Vicious Babushka

Actually, the RWNJ’s seem to think the US Constitution applies only to them. Everyone who isn’t like them can go straight to Hell.

Tribal mentality at its finest.

48 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:29:40am

re: #45 HappyWarrior

So does Pam want the guy who sent ricin to Obama and Senator Wicker to be tried as an enemy combatant too or is that only for zomg MUslims. Good god she’s stupid. And then to act like Obama would have had Nazi war criminals tried in the US court system. The guy’s an AMerican citizen you psycho.

RICIN GUY IS A LIBTARD COZ HE HAD A PICTURE OF A LIBRUL BUMPER STICKER ON HIS FACEBOOK PROFILE!!!!1111

49 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:29:51am

Actually, considering the one brother (the American Citizen) as an enemy combatant is a conundrum for the GOP.

On the one hand, they want this to be a military crime (act of war) and they want to maintain sovereignty of this country —meaning a bold line between those with civil rights (citizens) and those without (*aliens*).

They are so freaked-out by the “ONE WORLD” concept, you see.

So, on the other hand, if they consider the younger brother an enemy combatant, and want to give him a military trial, then it screws with their idea of soverignty. If he is considered a citizen then it falls to civilian courts to try him as a criminal —which messes with their idea of “white america”.

Am I making sense?

50 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:30:32am

re: #47 Dr Lizardo

Actually, the RWNJ’s seem to think the US Constitution applies only to them. Everyone who isn’t like them can go straight to Hell.

Tribal mentality at its finest.

They believe “TEH CONSTITUSHUN!!!1111” means they can take their AR-15s and shoot ‘em up some MUSLIMZ!!11!!

51 Lidane  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:31:18am

Some good news:

52 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:31:24am

re: #42 Charleston Chew

100 different kinds of toothbrushes and yet you can still get the measles.

Somewhere I read (either audio book, news article or here) that they guy who drew the cave paintings wherever is basically the same guy that draws graffiti now. Same animal, no major changes biologically.

53 blueraven  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:32:33am

re: #37 FemNaziBitch

One was a citizen, one was not —no?

If a Canadian committed a crime here, they would not be afforded due process? I thought the law applies to all.

Of course enemy combatant might have its place, but not just because they are not an American citizen. So far, there is no factual evidence that the older brother had any involvement with the Chechen rebels.

54 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:33:13am

re: #47 Dr Lizardo

Actually, the RWNJ’s seem to think the US Constitution applies only to them. Everyone who isn’t like them can go straight to Hell.

Tribal mentality at its finest.

I guess the splitting point is that the Boston bomber is not natural born, and that he is a US citizen appears not to matter to him.

Of course, there is a smaller chorus about simply treating them as common criminals in order to not grant them any further publicity or notoriety. Which is by far the better course to pursue.

55 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:33:52am

Expect 5 or 6 rants from Ms Geller today on this.

56 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:34:24am
57 Tigger2  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:35:15am

re: #32 Charleston Chew

But that brings up an interesting point - if the older brother is an ‘enemy combatant’ because of his connections, then the younger brother fits the definition as well, because of his connection to the older brother. You can’t draw the line arbitrarily.

I think the younger brother is just that a younger brother, I have seen older brothers getting their little brothers in trouble one way or another all my life.

58 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:36:32am

Hmmm…

59 RadicalModerate  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:37:48am

re: #47 Dr Lizardo

Actually, the RWNJ’s seem to think the US Constitution applies only to them. Everyone who isn’t like them can go straight to Hell.

Tribal mentality at its finest.

As many of the people on the right who I’ve seen clamoring to implement a version of the Nuremberg Laws here in the US, with Muslims and Hispanics/African Americans being the ones stripped of their citizenship and all rights, this isn’t far from the truth at all.

60 Dr. Matt  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:38:24am

re: #58 Charles Johnson

Hmmm…

“(AP) _ FBI agent tells court no ricin found at Miss. home of man accused of mailing poison letters.”
— Daniel Strauss (@DanielStrauss4) April 22, 2013

Paging Alex Jones, Alex Jones. Paging Alex Jones

61 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:39:45am

re: #53 blueraven

If a Canadian committed a crime here, they would not be afforded due process? I thought the law applies to all.

Of course enemy combatant might have its place, but not just because they are not an American citizen. So far, there is no factual evidence that the older brother had any involvement with the Chechen rebels.

I’m still confused about the whole thing. At one point, we had a big discussion here about the term “US Person” which (I think) means that anyone on US soil is considered, by law, a US Person. US Persons are protected by the Constitution.

We have so many labels, some legal terms, some not. I can’t keep things straight anymore.

Illegal Alien
Undocumented Worker
US Person
Citizen
Naturalized Citizen
Legal Alien
Criminal
Enemy Combatant
Terrorist

Now, where they are actually citizens, where they commit the crime, their military status or civilian status, seem to have something to do with how they are adjudicated. Add to that civil, criminal, military, international law and the Geneva Conventions and the lawyers are kept very busy.

IMHO, we are all human beings, we share this planet. To which entity we pay or don’t pay taxes has nothing do with how we are adjudicated if we commit crime. Yet, the idea that we can have some global standard of justice seems just too obvious to the Whackos.

62 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:39:56am

re: #58 Charles Johnson

I would not be at all surprised to find that:

1) castor beans were used in some part of a paper-making process;
2) the tests are extremely sensitive
3) voila, false positive

63 Charleston Chew  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:40:36am

re: #52 FemNaziBitch

Somewhere I read (either audio book, news article or here) that they guy who drew the cave paintings wherever is basically the same guy that draws graffiti now. Same animal, no major changes biologically.

This is why stored information is so important. Books, pictures, recordings, databases, instructions, other people’s brains. We all have to start life as an ancient, stupid animal and then try to use the accumulated wisdom of human history to “modernize” us.

It’s like coming in at the middle of a long running television series. “Previously on Human Civilization”.

64 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:41:27am
65 erik_t  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:41:36am

re: #53 blueraven

If a Canadian committed a crime here, they would not be afforded due process? I thought the law applies to all.

Of course enemy combatant might have its place, but not just because they are not an American citizen. So far, there is no factual evidence that the older brother had any involvement with the Chechen rebels.

This. This is why I don’t want to emphasize the younger bomber’s citizenship. It serves to further delegitimize (at least in popular thought) the idea that citizenship doesn’t matter to the criminal justice system.

66 Dr. Matt  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:42:05am

Nike Pulls ‘Boston Massacre’ Shirts After Marathon Bombing

Nike has pulled a sports T-shirt emblazoned with the bloodied words “Boston Massacre” in the wake of last Monday’s marathon bombings

67 Charleston Chew  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:42:25am

re: #57 Tigger2

I think the younger brother is just that a younger brother, I have seen older brothers getting their little brothers in trouble one way or another all my life.

But that can’t be the basis of legal demarcation. You could argue that other people influenced the older brother and got him in trouble in the same way.

68 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:42:27am

The Justice Dept complaint against Tsarnaev:

legaltimes.typepad.com

69 Bulworth  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:43:21am

re: #64 Vicious Babushka

WMD?

70 geoffm33  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:43:30am

President Obama calls for moment of silence at 2:50 p.m. ET Today

71 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:43:32am

re: #59 RadicalModerate

As many of the people on the right who I’ve seen clamoring to implement a version of the Nuremberg Laws here in the US, with Muslims and Hispanics/African Americans being the ones stripped of their citizenship and all rights, this isn’t far from the truth at all.

It’s mind-boggling to realize how many of those on the right, who profess to “love” the US Constitution, insist on proposing legal solutions that would be laughed out of the Supreme Court in under 30 seconds.

Their grasp of the Constitution - not to mention their grasp of more basic things, like common decency and humanity - is minimal to non-existent.

72 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:44:49am

re: #50 Vicious Babushka

They believe “TEH CONSTITUSHUN!!!1111” means they can take their AR-15s and shoot ‘em up some MUSLIMZ!!11!!

The RWNJ’s work up a chubby dreaming about that twisted fantasy.

73 RadicalModerate  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:45:03am

re: #69 Bulworth

WMD?

Explosive devices detonated in tightly-populated areas get that distinction.

74 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:46:14am

They’re charging him with using a weapon of mass destruction.

75 Decatur Deb  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:46:54am

re: #4 EXCLUSIVE!

It’s revealing to me that the GOP/TP hacks are the ones who have been telling all their rubes for years that the government wants to take away their freedoms and liberties and rights. Then they step right up and demand that an American citizen be stripped of his rights and tried in a military court. So if that line is crossed, will there be crimes that strip you of rights? Crimes that allow unfettered prosecution with no representation? WTF.

No introspection. If any groups are talking themselves into ‘enemy combatant’ jeopardy, it’s the threepers/secessionists/CWII freaks.

76 klys  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:46:58am

re: #73 RadicalModerate

Explosive devices detonated in tightly-populated areas get that distinction.

Timothy McVeigh had a similar charge or two against him.

77 Dr. Matt  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:47:03am

re: #68 Charles Johnson

The Justice Dept complaint against Tsarnaev:

legaltimes.typepad.com

Has this video been released yet (From page 5)?

14. The Forum Restaurant video shows that Bomber Two remained in the same spot for approximately four minutes, occasionally looking at his cell phone and once appearing to take a picture with it. At some point he appears to look at his phone, which is held at approximately waist level, and may be manipulating the phone. Approximately 30 seconds before the first explosion, he lifts his phone to his ear as if he is speaking on his cell phone, and keeps it there for approximately 18 seconds. A few seconds after he finishes the call, the large crowd of people around him can be seen reacting to the first explosion. Virtually every head turns to the east (towards the finish line) and stares in that direction in apparent bewildermnt and alarm. Bomber Two, virtually alone among the individuals in front of the restaurant, appears calm. He glances to the east and then calmly but rapidly begins moving to the west, away from the direction of the finish line. He walks away without his knapsack, having left it on the ground where he had been standing. Approximately 10 seconds later, an explosion occurs in the location where Bomber Two had placed his knapsack.

78 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:47:11am

Apparently he took pictures with his cell phone.

79 erik_t  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:47:18am

re: #73 RadicalModerate

Explosive devices detonated in tightly-populated areas get that distinction.

Then the term has evolved, because that sure as hell isn’t what “WMD” used to mean.

Although it’s finally vindication for Bush and Cheney!!!!

/

80 Decatur Deb  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:48:12am

re: #73 RadicalModerate

Explosive devices detonated in tightly-populated areas get that distinction.

Useful legally, but but a real twist of the English language. Another gift from our Patriot Actors.

81 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:48:55am

re: #80 Decatur Deb

Useful legally, but but a real twist of the English language. Another gift from our Patriot Actors.

Well, you know, precise language is important.

:0

82 Charleston Chew  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:50:13am

re: #79 erik_t

Then the term has evolved, because that sure as hell isn’t what “WMD” used to mean.

Although it’s finally vindication for Bush and Cheney!!!!

/

Does this mean that after the invasion of Iraq, inspectors couldn’t even find 1 pressure cooker?

83 Dr. Matt  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:50:13am

Holy crap, according to the report, they admitted to the bombing to the carjacking victim!

Near midnight on April 18, 2013, an individual Carjacked a vehicle at gunpoint in Cambridge, Massachusetts. A victim of the carjacking was interviewed by law enforcement and provided the following information. The victim stated that while he was sitting in his cal’ on a road in Cambridge, a man approached and tapped on his passenger-side window. When the victim rolled down the window, the man reached in, opened the door, and entered the victim’s vehicle. The man pointed a firearm at the victim and stated, “Did you hear about the Boston explosion?” and “I did that.” The man removed the magazine from his gun and showed the victim that it had a bullet in it, and then re-inserted the magazine. The man then stated, “I am serious.”

84 Gus  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:50:38am

He’s probably looking at a federal death penalty sentence in the end. Odds are that would not be the result of a military tribunal since the Pentagon tends to shy away from the death penalty.

85 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:50:53am

re: #83 Dr. Matt

Holy crap, according to the report, they admitted to the bombing to the carjacking victim!

I think Charles posted something about that. …

86 erik_t  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:51:22am

re: #83 Dr. Matt

Holy crap, according to the report, they admitted to the bombing to the carjacking victim!

What incredible dumbshits. I wonder at what point they figured out they were utterly boned regardless, or if they ever did.

87 Decatur Deb  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:51:24am

re: #81 FemNaziBitch

Well, you know, precise language is important.

:0

Language understood by the transmitter and the receiver is important. I have more against Chomsky than his politics.

88 Dr. Matt  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:51:45am

re: #85 FemNaziBitch

I think Charles posted something about that. …

I pulled the text from the link he provided.

89 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:51:51am

re: #87 Decatur Deb

Language understood by the transmitter and the receiver is important. I have more against Chomsky than his politics.

Communication —how does it work?

90 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:52:01am

re: #88 Dr. Matt

I pulled the text from the link he provided.

ah!

91 klys  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:53:32am

re: #77 Dr. Matt

Has this video been released yet (From page 5)?

No.

92 RadicalModerate  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:54:29am

re: #80 Decatur Deb

Useful legally, but but a real twist of the English language. Another gift from our Patriot Actors.

I think that it is more a function of where the bombs were exploded than how big of a bang they were capable of producing. An event with a large number of tightly-packed spectators gets the WMD charge, while if he had set it off in a nearly-unoccupied warehouse, WMD charges probably would not have been entered.

93 erik_t  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:55:27am

re: #92 RadicalModerate

I think that it is more a function of where the bombs were exploded than how big of a bang they were capable of producing. An event with a large number of tightly-packed spectators gets the WMD charge, while if he had set it off in a nearly-unoccupied warehouse, WMD charges probably would not have been entered.

Which itself makes it a stupid distinction. It’s an Event of Mass Destruction, not a Weapon of Mass Destruction.

94 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:55:32am

Just read some comments at Reddit about their “crowd-sourcing” effort - and was a little surprised to find that they know very well how badly they fucked up.

Unlike CNN.

95 erik_t  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:56:21am

re: #94 Charles Johnson

96 RadicalModerate  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:57:00am

re: #94 Charles Johnson

Just read some comments at Reddit about their “crowd-sourcing” effort - and was a little surprised to find that they know very well that they fucked up.

Unlike CNN.

And some of the rightwing sites who are doubling down on the idea that it’s all some sort of coverup/conspiracy.

97 Sionainn  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:57:08am

re: #19 Dr. Matt

How come none of these teahadists were screeching for Jared Lee Loughner to be tried as an “enemy combatant”?

How come they are not screaming for the ricin guy to be tried as an “enemy combatant”?

98 lawhawk  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:59:01am

re: #74 Charles Johnson

They’re charging him with using a weapon of mass destruction.

Weapon of mass destruction is a term of art defined in 18 USC 2332a:

(2) the term “weapon of mass destruction” means—
(A) any destructive device as defined in section 921 of this title;
(B) any weapon that is designed or intended to cause death or serious bodily injury through the release, dissemination, or impact of toxic or poisonous chemicals, or their precursors;
(C) any weapon involving a biological agent, toxin, or vector (as those terms are defined in section 178 of this title); or
(D) any weapon that is designed to release radiation or radioactivity at a level dangerous to human life; and
(3) the term “property” includes all real and personal property.

Section 921 includes all manner of explosive device.

The term “destructive device” means—
(A) any explosive, incendiary, or poison gas—
(i) bomb,
(ii) grenade,
(iii) rocket having a propellant charge of more than four ounces,
(iv) missile having an explosive or incendiary charge of more than one-quarter ounce,
(v) mine, or
(vi) device similar to any of the devices described in the preceding clauses;

So, while WMD is considered to be nuclear, biological, or chemical weapons, for purposes of federal criminal law and charges under the terrorism provisions, WMD includes all explosive devices - it’s meant for enhancing the charges/penalties.

99 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 10:59:42am
100 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 11:02:10am

Wow, these guys were complete screwups. How could they not realize they needed to get rid of stuff like that?

101 Charleston Chew  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 11:04:14am

re: #100 Charles Johnson

Wow, these guys were complete screwups. How could they not realize they needed to get rid of stuff like that?

This is why I was sceptical about the “military training” angle. They seem like amateurs.

102 Decatur Deb  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 11:04:55am

re: #92 RadicalModerate

I think that it is more a function of where the bombs were exploded than how big of a bang they were capable of producing. An event with a large number of tightly-packed spectators gets the WMD charge, while if he had set it off in a nearly-unoccupied warehouse, WMD charges probably would not have been entered.

Failed Times Square bomber had similar charge. At the time, IIRC, the definition included devices like gas that are not properly ‘destructive’ at all.

103 jaunte  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 11:05:43am

re: #100 Charles Johnson

Highly trained jihadis.

104 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 11:06:10am

re: #101 Charleston Chew

This is why I was sceptical about the “military training” angle. They seem like amateurs.

Yeah, and we were led to believe that Chris Dorner was some kind of “supercop” but he ended up in some sad little cabin in the woods with no running water or utilities.

105 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 11:06:47am

I have to get going and I don’t now if I’ll be back, so thanks for enduring my confusion and to whomever recommended this book, THANKS! It’s very useful.

106 lawhawk  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 11:07:00am

I’d also note that these charges are likely to be superseded/enhanced by additional charges down the line. Right now, he’s facing charges under the terrorism statute (18 USC 2332a) and 844(i) (malicious destruction of property). Both are death penalty-eligible charges, and alternatively offer life in prison.

State charges could be forthcoming as well, but with the federal charges having the harsher sentencing, the federal charges will probably be those that are tried first (Mass doesn’t have a death penalty).

107 S'latch  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 11:07:20am

re: #100 Charles Johnson

I don’t think they had much of a plan at all. I don’t think the Tsarnaev brothers had thought very much about what they were doing.

108 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 11:07:30am

re: #103 jaunte

Highly trained jihadis.

التفاح عصابة زلابية

The Apple Dumpling Gang - via GoogleTranslate.

109 erik_t  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 11:07:31am

re: #100 Charles Johnson

Wow, these guys were complete screwups. How could they not realize they needed to get rid of stuff like that?

Well, their lack of garment disposal fits right in with their amazingly nonchalant motion and personal carriage at the bombing itself. Frankly, I’d have been surprised if they had disposed of it.

110 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 11:08:41am

re: #107 S’latch

I don’t think they had much of a plan at all. I don’t think the Tsarnaev brothers had thought very much about that they were doing.

If they didn’t pay much attention to covering their tracks, they were probably thinking that it would end in suicide-by-cop.

111 lawhawk  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 11:09:27am

re: #100 Charles Johnson

Much like how the 1993 WTC bombers sought to get the deposit back on the rental truck they used to attempt to blow up the towers.

Alternatively, they may have thought that it wouldn’t matter down the line - that they would likely end up dead and the authorities would eventually figure things out.

112 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 11:09:29am

re: #110 Vicious Babushka

If they didn’t pay much attention to covering their tracks, they were probably thinking that it would end in suicide-by-cop.

Or they did not think they would be connected to the bombing as quickly as it happened, if at all.

113 erik_t  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 11:09:42am

re: #110 Vicious Babushka

If they didn’t pay much attention to covering their tracks, they were probably thinking that it would end in suicide-by-cop.

But you’d think they’d at least want to make it a delayed suicide-by-cop, given that they had made (or were making) more bombs.

114 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 11:10:11am

I think the uncle had them pegged: losers.

115 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 11:10:54am

What a surprise. Not.

116 S'latch  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 11:10:59am

re: #110 Vicious Babushka

Maybe so. Maybe their only objective was to go out with some big headlines. I don’t see that they had any other purpose.

117 lawhawk  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 11:11:00am
118 erik_t  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 11:11:11am

re: #112 Feline Fearless Leader

Or they did not think they would be connected to the bombing as quickly as it happened, if at all.

Well, frankly, I didn’t think they would either. We’re very lucky that Wheelchair Badass was on the case.

119 darthstar  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 11:11:19am

re: #78 Charles Johnson

Apparently he took pictures with his cell phone.

Hang on…I need to post a pic of this bomb I’m planting to my facebook feed. WTF?

120 wrenchwench  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 11:11:29am

They were inspired by the war in Iraq: No exit strategy.

121 Bulworth  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 11:12:14am

re: #115 Vicious Babushka

Freedom. Liberty. Less Government.

122 simoom  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 11:13:06am

Glancing at Beck’s idiocy today, it looks like at least four Representatives are humoring his insanity:

The House Committee on Homeland Security on Sunday emailed TheBlaze a copy of their request to Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano for more information on the Saudi national originally described as a “person of interest” in the Boston Marathon bombing.

…

Here is a copy of the letter, signed by Chairman Michael T. McCaul, Chairman Jeff Duncan of the subcommittee on Oversight and Management Efficiency, Chairman Peter King of the subcommittee on Counterterrorism and Intelligence, and Chairman Candice Miller of the subcommittee on Border and Maritime Security:

“We are writing to request a classified briefing on Department of Homeland Security information and actions related to the case of the original person of interest in the terrorist attack at the Boston Marathon on Monday, April 22, 2013.

On Thursday, April 18th, you testified before the Committee on Homeland Security and responded to a question related to this individual’s immigration status by saying that you “were unaware of anyone being deported for national security concerns at all related to Boston.” However, media reports have continued to raise concerns about this individual and adjustments that may have been made to his immigration status, including possible visa revocation and terrorist watch-listing, in the days following the bombing.

We request the Department provide a detailed overview of the records associated with this individual to include his law enforcement and immigration records prior to April 15, 2013, as well as his current status. We request briefers from the Office of Intelligence and Analysis, Immigration and Customs Enforcement, and Customs and Border Protection.

We appreciate your immediate attention to this issue and anticipate your prompt reply.”

When did it become OK for elected officials to play footsie with Truther-like anti-gov’t conspiracies?

123 darthstar  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 11:13:14am

re: #114 Charles Johnson

I think the uncle had them pegged: losers.

I was thinking exactly that thought this morning on the way to work. People like Lindsey Graham will try to elevate the status of these guys to ‘enemies of the state’ for political purposes, but in reality, they’re just losers and need to be treated as such.

What will happen to Dzhokhar after he’s eventually released into the general population somewhere? Depends on how many Red Sox fans are in whatever facility he lands in, I guess.

124 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 11:13:30am

Remember that Dzhokhar went back to school in the days after the bombing, and even went to a party. They were not acting like people anticipating a suicidal shootout. They seemed to think they were going to get away with it.

125 darthstar  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 11:14:49am

re: #124 Charles Johnson

Remember that Dzhokhar went back to school in the days after the bombing, and even went to a party. They were not acting like people anticipating a suicidal shootout. They seemed to think they were going to get away with it.

Hiding in plain sight. Not so bad if you had taken the time to disguise yourself before walking into a crowd of thousands of people with smart phones taking pics right and left.

126 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 11:14:51am

re: #122 simoom

Glancing at Beck’s idiocy for the day, it looks like at least four Representatives are humoring his insanity:

When did it become OK for elected officials to play footsie with Truther-like anti-gov’t conspiracies.

When the President became black.

127 Bulworth  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 11:15:06am

re: #122 simoom

It’s official: Confederacy of Dunces

128 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 11:15:14am

re: #124 Charles Johnson

Remember that Dzhokhar went back to school in the days after the bombing, and even went to a party. They were not acting like people anticipating a suicidal shootout. They seemed to think they were going to get away with it.

Sociopaths.

129 Charleston Chew  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 11:16:20am

re: #115 Vicious Babushka

What a surprise. Not.

Can we try the Texas fertilizer plant owners as enemy combatants?

130 S'latch  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 11:16:39am

If we declare them enemy combatants, we should declare war on losers and idiots. What a war that would be.

131 Decatur Deb  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 11:17:11am

re: #129 Charleston Chew

Can we try the Texas fertilizer plant owners as enemy combatants?

They have the BP Exclusion.

132 erik_t  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 11:17:27am

re: #130 S’latch

If we declare them enemy combatants, we should declare war on losers and idiots. What a war that would be.

I think we should cut right to the chase and declare War on Bad.

133 Charleston Chew  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 11:18:35am

re: #131 Decatur Deb

They have the BP Exclusion.

BP Exclusion being a fancy term for money.

134 klys  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 11:18:38am

re: #115 Vicious Babushka

What a surprise. Not.

I am stopping short of attributing motivation to the owners but it’s pretty clear that this was a tragedy that didn’t have to happen and better enforcement could have caught it before the situation blew up so spectacularly.

The timeline of when the ammonium nitrate appeared on site is unclear; its first mention comes in the Tier Two report they filed with Texas for 2012 but certainly seems to *imply* that it was on site before that. The EPA, on the other hand, isn’t looking for information about ammonium nitrate in the Risk Management Plan because that’s focused on air quality (hence why the anhydrous ammonia was the concern).

Regardless, it’s very clear that this was an accident waiting to happen - and it did.

135 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 11:19:32am

re: #128 Vicious Babushka

Sociopaths.

Which, from some of my experience, is not that far from standard pattern of young adult male.

Seems to be an age where empathy has not quite developed whereas intellectual capabilities and “hey, that’s neat” are starting to peak. Plus the well known unwarranted belief in one’s own immortality and superiority.

136 S'latch  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 11:19:44am

re: #132 erik_t

Did GW Bush actually declare “war on evil?”

137 Charleston Chew  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 11:20:14am

re: #132 erik_t

I think we should cut right to the chase and declare War on Bad.

But war is bad. Oh no, feedback loop! War On War On War On War On….

138 klys  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 11:20:17am

re: #135 Feline Fearless Leader

Which, from some of my experience, is not that far from standard pattern of young adult male.

Seems to be an age where empathy has not quite developed whereas intellectual capabilities and “hey, that’s neat” are starting to peak. Plus the well known unwarranted belief in one’s own immortality and superiority.

This may also be directly related to why males of that age tend to be utter pricks when dating.

139 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 11:20:59am

re: #138 klys

This may also be directly related to why males of that age tend to be utter pricks when dating.

It is.

140 Decatur Deb  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 11:21:19am

re: #136 S’latch

Did GW Bush actually declare “war on evil?”

Axis of.

141 lawhawk  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 11:25:06am

re: #94 Charles Johnson

Totally.

Now Reddit users (among the first to speculate about a connection) are trying to right the wrong as best as they can, setting up a page to gather information on Mr. Tripathi’s last known whereabouts.

Reddit members began connecting Mr. Tripathi to Monday’s bombings on Thursday, after users noted some similarities in the photos of the “White-Hat” suspect released by the FBI. A .gif was even made that morphed a photo of Mr. Tripathi into the photo of the suspect as a means to prove Mr. Tripathi’s guilt.

But when Reddit and Twitter users heard Mr. Tripathi’s name mentioned on a police scanner (in error), the rumor took on a life of its own. Mr. Tripathi’s name was soon trending on Twitter and was tweeted by multiple reporters and news outlets. Hours later though, the FBI determined that the “White Hat” suspect was in fact 19-year-old Dzhokhar A. Tsarnaev, and not Mr. Tripathi.

142 darthstar  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 11:26:25am

Hoo-boy…some people.

143 Charleston Chew  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 11:27:50am

re: #135 Feline Fearless Leader

Which, from some of my experience, is not that far from standard pattern of young adult male.

Seems to be an age where empathy has not quite developed whereas intellectual capabilities and “hey, that’s neat” are starting to peak. Plus the well known unwarranted belief in one’s own immortality and superiority.

I find that the longer I live, the more “lives” I have had, and thus the more people whose lives I can relate to. At that age, you’ve just had the one life, so everyone else seems more alien.

I also think the first Matrix movie really captured the subjective viewpoint of young killers like these, where they are The One and everyone else walkin the streets is just part of “the Matrix” and can therefore be killed with impunity.

144 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 11:27:58am

re: #117 lawhawk

145 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 11:34:14am

these people were on American soil legally

the enemy combattant thing would appply only to people captured abroad or those who were here illegally for purposes of acting against the USA.

that is not the case here

146 Lidane  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 11:35:43am

re: #122 simoom

When did it become OK for elected officials to play footsie with Truther-like anti-gov’t conspiracies?

When a black man got elected President.

A whole lot of people flipped their shit that day and they show no signs of flipping back anytime soon.

147 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 11:37:49am

I hope this capper1616 person is being investigated…

148 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 11:38:12am

Teh TGDN is like all:

SAUDI SAUDI SAUDI SAUDI SAUDI SAUDI SAUDI SAUDI SAUDI SAUDI
BENGHAZI
SAUDI SAUDI SAUDI SAUDI SAUDI SAUDI SAUDI SAUDI SAUDI SAUDI
BENGHAZI
SAUDI SAUDI SAUDI SAUDI SAUDI SAUDI SAUDI SAUDI SAUDI SAUDI

149 Decatur Deb  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 11:40:31am

re: #145 Sol Berdinowitz

these people were on American soil legally

the enemy combattant thing would appply only to people captured abroad or those who were here illegally for purposes of acting against the USA.

that is not the case here

Berdinowitz, eh?? That’s a furrin-sounding name. You got folks around here??

150 blueraven  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 11:41:45am

Lindsey Graham gives a presser on his objections to the bombing suspect not being handled as an enemy combatant.

tweetwood.com

151 Tigger2  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 11:41:50am

re: #147 NJDhockeyfan

I hope this capper1616 person is being investigated…

Account suspended.

152 Decatur Deb  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 11:41:51am

re: #147 NJDhockeyfan

I hope this capper1616 person is being investigated…

**Poof**

153 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 11:42:01am
154 klys  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 11:42:46am

re: #148 Vicious Babushka

Teh TGDN is like all:

SAUDI SAUDI SAUDI SAUDI SAUDI SAUDI SAUDI SAUDI SAUDI SAUDI
BENGHAZI
SAUDI SAUDI SAUDI SAUDI SAUDI SAUDI SAUDI SAUDI SAUDI SAUDI
BENGHAZI
SAUDI SAUDI SAUDI SAUDI SAUDI SAUDI SAUDI SAUDI SAUDI SAUDI

GUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNZ! GUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNZ! THEY’RE COMING FOR OUR GUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNZ!

Not quite 100% but the best fit I could come up with.

155 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 11:43:59am

re: #154 klys

GUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNZ! GUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNZ! THEY’RE COMING FOR OUR GUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNZ!

Not quite 100% but the best fit I could come up with.

More GOSNELL!!!!! than GUNZ actually.

156 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 11:44:32am

*FACE PALM*

157 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 11:44:59am

re: #154 klys

Not quite 100% but the best fit I could come up with.

Put it through the distillation tower and it comes out pure DERP under the “Benghazi” label. Coming soon to a web-site near you.

158 Lidane  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 11:45:08am

re: #148 Vicious Babushka

Not enough Benghazi. Also needs moar “MOLON LABE”.

159 Lidane  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 11:46:12am

re: #156 Vicious Babushka

*headdesk*

Image: brokenlogic.jpg

160 klys  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 11:46:34am

re: #155 Vicious Babushka

More GOSNELL!!!!! than GUNZ actually.

I mostly know about TGDN through you, so I will take your word for it. It was just going BADGER BADGER through my head so I needed to add the SNAKE.

161 geoffm33  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 11:46:50am

re: #156 Vicious Babushka

*FACE PALM*

Maybe we need more analysis of how they came upon an M4 and a few handguns with our “No Bad Guy/Criminals would go through a background check anyway!!!!111” system.

162 Lidane  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 11:48:34am

re: #160 klys

I mostly know about TGDN through you, so I will take your word for it. It was just going BADGER BADGER through my head so I needed to add the SNAKE.

And the MUSHROOM MUSHROOM. Heh.

Youtube Video
163 klys  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 11:49:12am

re: #162 Lidane

And the MUSHROOM MUSHROOM. Heh.

[Embedded content]

I was subbing in BENGHAZI for the MUSHROOM and mentally repeating it twice. :)

164 Bulworth  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 11:49:53am
We need more analysis on whether or not obtaining citizenship status is tactic used to game the system. Talking now w/ Stephen Yates.
#dlrs
— Dana Loesch (@DLoesch)

Hey, we’re just asking questions here!!!

/

165 blueraven  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 11:50:14am

moment of silence

166 lawhawk  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 11:50:53am

re: #161 geoffm33

So if the bad guys and criminals don’t pay attention to the laws that our legislators write, what is the point of their legislation? Are you telling me that they are enacting pointless laws because the criminals don’t pay heed to them and the criminal penalties that come along by and through their violation?

Or, do folks like Graham ignore the fact that the laws are there to prosecute those who violate societal norms and standards and that some people can and are thwarted by the enactment of laws like background checks or age restrictions.

167 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 11:51:28am

re: #156 Vicious Babushka

*FACE PALM*

No doubt in her mind gaming the system = becoming a citizen.

Full circle.

168 geoffm33  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 11:51:33am

re: #165 blueraven

moment of silence

169 Lidane  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 11:53:47am

re: #164 Bulworth

Hey, we’re just asking questions here!!!

/

I wish Dana would just say her opinion openly:

Brown people becoming citizens = gaming the system

White people becoming citizens = patriotism

At least then she’d be honest.

170 Dr. Matt  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 11:54:37am

re: #169 Lidane

I wish Dana would just say her opinion openly:

Brown people becoming citizens = gaming the system

White people becoming citizens = patriotism

At least then she’d be honest.

But Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is a white person with a brown person’s religion!!!!

171 geoffm33  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 11:54:47am

re: #166 lawhawk

So if the bad guys and criminals don’t pay attention to the laws that our legislators write, what is the point of their legislation? Are you telling me that they are enacting pointless laws because the criminals don’t pay heed to them and the criminal penalties that come along by and through their violation?

Or, do folks like Graham ignore the fact that the laws are there to prosecute those who violate societal norms and standards and that some people can and are thwarted by the enactment of laws like background checks or age restrictions.

I apologize, I’m not sure what yo are saying/implying. My mind is in a thousand place right now :)

My post was tongue in cheek in regards to those that voted no to extending background checks to online sales and gun show since criminals wouldn’t subject themselves to the checks anyway. If they don’t close the loopholes, then those venues are where criminals would focus their efforts in obtaining guns.

172 efuseakay  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 11:55:34am

Westghazigate!

173 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 11:56:04am

WHO NEEDS WATERBOARDING WHEN INVESTIGATORS CONTROL THE MORPHINE DRIP

174 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 11:56:49am

And the tightening rings of logic continue:
1. IF you fail to identify and catch the suspects immediately it’s due to Obama underfunding security, etc. etc. due to the sequester.

2. IF you shoot the suspects out of hand - it’s part of the cover-up for the false flag operation designed to help bring forth the oncoming police state.

3. IF you then fail to charge the suspects as foreign terrorists and “enemy combatants” it’s due to the administration being soft on terrorists and wanting to waste money on liberal panty-waist trials.

IF you do charge them as “enemy combatants” it’s a combination of all of the above!

:p

And this is why I never look at this stuff first-hand. It would kill me.

(And to my amusement today a co-worker discovered “chemtrails”. I told him to read the stuff in order to learn what Level 11 Loony looked like.)

175 lawhawk  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 11:56:53am

re: #171 geoffm33

Not directed at you, but riffing on your view.

176 Lidane  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 11:57:37am

re: #170 Dr. Matt

But Dzhokhar Tsarnaev is a white person with a brown person’s religion!!!!

HE CAN’T BE WHITE! HE WAS A MOOZLIM!

/////

177 geoffm33  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 11:57:47am

re: #175 lawhawk

Not directed at you, but riffing on your view.

Ahhh, makes sense now :)

178 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 11:58:04am
179 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 11:59:54am

re: #178 NJDhockeyfan

Image: Implied-facepalm1.jpg

180 ProBosniaLiberal  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 12:00:16pm

re: #178 NJDhockeyfan

There must be some law violation that Nugent can be arrested for.

181 Lidane  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 12:00:18pm

Lindsey Graham on the important issues:

182 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 12:00:37pm

re: #166 lawhawk

So if the bad guys and criminals don’t pay attention to the laws that our legislators write, what is the point of their legislation? Are you telling me that they are enacting pointless laws because the criminals don’t pay heed to them and the criminal penalties that come along by and through their violation?

Or, do folks like Graham ignore the fact that the laws are there to prosecute those who violate societal norms and standards and that some people can and are thwarted by the enactment of laws like background checks or age restrictions.

When it comes to guns, only criminals perform crimes. If a non-criminal performs a criminal act with a gun, then he was always a criminal. I’m sure they’d want the criminal to go back in time and shoot himself before he became a criminal.

I get dizzy just contemplating their arguments.

183 HappyWarrior  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 12:00:56pm

Next Ted will advocate making drawing and quartering capital punishment. Seriously fuck that guy. We don’t need to become monsters because Tsarnaev and his brother committed a monstrous act.

184 Lidane  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 12:01:13pm

re: #178 NJDhockeyfan

Aren’t there laws about making threats or inciting people to harm someone else?

185 HappyWarrior  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 12:01:39pm

re: #181 Lidane

Lindsey Graham on the important issues:

But anyone who’s an American citizen who does a sensational crime should lose their right to a trial, right Lindsay?

186 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 12:01:48pm

re: #178 NJDhockeyfan

Is that a parody account?

187 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 12:02:11pm

I haven’t been watching to listening to the new today. Any word on how they got guns, ammo, and bomb ingredients yet?

188 klys  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 12:02:26pm

A moment of photo zen as I head off to run errands.

Don’t break the Internets, Lizards!

189 Decatur Deb  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 12:02:39pm

re: #186 Vicious Babushka

Is that a parody account?

CNN is a parody news organization.

190 Stanley Sea  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 12:02:57pm

OT, remember the Syrians holding up a support for Boston banner?

Boston Responds to Syria

Ah, humanity.

191 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 12:03:23pm

re: #186 Vicious Babushka

Is that a parody account?

I don’t know. It’s hard to tell the difference between real and parody at CNN.

192 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 12:04:18pm

re: #189 Decatur Deb

CNN is a parody news organization.

WIN.

193 HappyWarrior  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 12:04:19pm

re: #190 Stanley Sea

OT, remember the Syrians holding up a support for Boston banner?

Boston Responds to Syria

Ah, humanity.

How refreshing.

194 calochortus  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 12:04:25pm

re: #123 darthstar

I was thinking exactly that thought this morning on the way to work. People like Lindsey Graham will try to elevate the status of these guys to ‘enemies of the state’ for political purposes, but in reality, they’re just losers and need to be treated as such.

My only regret is that I have but one upding for this statement…

They are pathetic losers. Dangerous pathetic losers, but that doesn’t upgrade their status any.

195 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 12:04:26pm

re: #191 NJDhockeyfan

I don’t know. It’s hard to tell the difference between real and parody at CNN.

That’s because CNN is a parody of itself.

196 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 12:05:26pm

YES BUT DENY DUE PROCESS TO A CITIZEN. CONSTITUTION!!


197 HappyWarrior  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 12:06:30pm

re: #196 Vicious Babushka

They’ve got a funny way of preserving it when so many of them want Tsarnaev to lose his right to a speedy trial which is you know in that Constitution thing.

198 darthstar  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 12:06:43pm

So Dzhokhar was charged with using WMDs…aren’t we watering down the definition of WMD a bit? I mean, by this definition, Iraq really did have WMDs.

199 Decatur Deb  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 12:06:52pm

re: #186 Vicious Babushka

Is that a parody account?

If so, others have fallen for it:

rawstory.com

200 calochortus  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 12:07:21pm

re: #129 Charleston Chew

Can we try the Texas fertilizer plant owners as enemy combatants?

There was some derp over at FR (IIRC) this morning about how Obama hadn’t gone to West, TX to console the victims. Aside from the fact they’d find a reason to be apoplectic if he did go, how many times did W, or Reagan go to the site of an industrial accident?

201 abolitionist  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 12:07:22pm

re: #198 darthstar

So Dzhokhar was charged with using WMDs…aren’t we watering down the definition of WMD a bit? I mean, by this definition, Iraq really did have WMDs.

Exellent point.

202 simoom  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 12:07:27pm

re: #117 lawhawk

From the CBC article, it sounds like the U.S. was heavily involved in the investigation:

The investigation was part of a cross-border operation involving Canadian law enforcement agencies, the FBI and the U.S. Department of Homeland Security.

203 darthstar  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 12:07:56pm

re: #178 NJDhockeyfan

EVEN MORE BREAKING! Somebody quoted Ted Nugent.

204 kirkspencer  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 12:08:10pm

re: #126 Charles Johnson

When the President became black.

Remembering the crap of the 1990’s, I’ll say it was when the President was a Democrat. The black just took it to 11.

205 Dr. Matt  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 12:08:24pm

I thought Nugent was suppose to be dead or in jail by now? WTF!??!

206 HappyWarrior  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 12:09:10pm

re: #200 calochortus

There was some derp over at FR (IIRC) this morning about how Obama hadn’t gone to West, TX to console the victims. Aside from the fact they’d find a reason to be apoplectic if he did go, how many times did W, or Reagan go to the site of an industrial accident?

And if he had gone, they’d accuse him of just trying to get good publicity. Guy can’t win with the dummies.

207 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 12:09:13pm

re: #198 darthstar

So Dzhokhar was charged with using WMDs…aren’t we watering down the definition of WMD a bit? I mean, by this definition, Iraq really did have WMDs.

re: #98 lawhawk

Weapon of mass destruction is a term of art defined in 18 USC 2332a:

Section 921 includes all manner of explosive device.

So, while WMD is considered to be nuclear, biological, or chemical weapons, for purposes of federal criminal law and charges under the terrorism provisions, WMD includes all explosive devices - it’s meant for enhancing the charges/penalties.

208 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 12:09:17pm

APPLES & ORANGES!!!!11!! U LIBRUL TROLL!!!111


209 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 12:09:26pm

re: #205 Dr. Matt

I thought Nugent was suppose to be dead or in jail by now? WTF!??!

Didn’t you hear? The entire US is already a Islamic Socialist Police State prison — and you’re an inmate.
////

210 GunstarGreen  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 12:09:27pm

The American Right, once again demonstrating their belief that the United States Constitution and the ideas of liberty and limited government are just so many scraps of meaningless paper, to be discarded the very instant they are no longer convenient.

As always, let this serve as your regular reminder: they are not the party of small government, they are The Party of Small Gub’mint™. The Party of Small Gub’mint™ believes that the government should be as large as is necessary to do the bidding of, by, and for the benefit of WASPs and to harass their enemies, real or perceived. Actual contents of the United States Constitution be damned.

“Enemy Combatant” is a term that has one and exactly one use: to circumvent the law of the land and allow evil people to perpetrate evil deeds against their fellow humans. It has no legitimate meaning or use in a society founded upon the principle of the rule of law.

211 darthstar  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 12:09:40pm

Even more disturbing is that the entire US military couldn’t find a pressure cooker in Iraq.

212 Tigger2  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 12:09:47pm

re: #186 Vicious Babushka

Is that a parody account?

CNN rates right up there with the ONION.

213 HappyWarrior  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 12:10:07pm

re: #205 Dr. Matt

I thought Nugent was suppose to be dead or in jail by now? WTF!??!

Well Glenn Beck was supposed to have exclusive proof of the Saudi student’s role in the bombings by today too and he’s just reported that the guy who was a person of interest was shocker, wait for it, a person of interest. These guys are teases.

214 Dr. Matt  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 12:10:37pm

re: #204 kirkspencer

Remembering the crap of the 1990’s, I’ll say it was when the President was a Democrat. The black just took it to 11.

Democrat plus Black plus easy access to the interwebs/social media/RW media.

But, if there was the same amount of social media today as during President Clinton, I imagine the conspiracy bullshit would be just as amplified.

215 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 12:10:55pm

re: #212 Tigger2

CNN rates right up there with ONION.

Hmm, ONION, slow cooker, and a pork shoulder. Plus time. Can get you a good pulled pork sandwich.

:)~~

216 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 12:11:52pm

DON’T MENTION MCVEIGH U LIBTARD!!111!!!


217 Dr. Matt  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 12:12:38pm

re: #209 Feline Fearless Leader

Didn’t you hear? The entire US is already a Islamic Socialist Police State prison — and you’re an inmate.
////

Really? Crap. When does the butt raping start? I need to stretch first.

218 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 12:13:10pm
219 lawhawk  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 12:13:14pm

More on the West Texas explosion and the failure of oversight/regulation.

EPA had some inkling of what the plant does because of the ammonia kept at the facility, but DHS, which has jurisdiction on ammonium nitrate, didn’t even know the facility existed until it blew up. No one at the company bothered to self-report on the presence of quantities of the material, which can be used as an explosive agent.

The days following the explosion, though, have been revealing: the site had 270 tons of ammonium nitrate in 2012—Timothy McVeigh used about 2.4 tons when he bombed a federal building in Oklahoma City in 1995. And as State Impact reports, the site had no sprinklers or fire barriers in place.

And while the EPA doesn’t require plants to report their possession of ammonium nitrate, the Department of Homeland Security does, according to NBC News. The plant in West had made no such disclosure—in fact, DHS didn’t even know the plant existed until it exploded last week. Congressman Rep. Bennie Thompson, (D-MS), referred to the plant as being “willfully off the grid.”

It gets worse, as more and more instances of agency fines and regulatory malpractice continue to be culled from records.

In 2006, the plant was investigated, almost two weeks after complaints of smelling of ammonia, by the Texas Commission of Environmental Quality, which discovered that the site had been operating without the necessary air quality permit for two years.

The plant was also fined in 2006 by the EPA for not having a risk management plan in place. Those plans are also designed to inform local emergency responders of the type of explosive chemicals that might be on site. But it might not have even mattered if local responders knew about the potential explosives—volunteer fire departments like the one in West and other smaller towns are frequently undertrained for handling industrial accidents.

And because of fuzzy zoning laws, schools and apartment buildings were built nearby after the plant had already been constructed.

Whether this accident will affect Texas’ booming drilling industry (read: fracking) or result in future legislation is unclear. Governor Rick Perry did tell reporters: “Listen, if there’s a better way to do this, we want to know about it. If there’s a better way to deal with these events, we want to have that discussion, whatever that might be.”

Yet, one of the worst industrial accidents occurred in Texas - the Texas City explosion involving… improper storage of ammonium nitrate. Some things don’t change.

How to do things better Gov. Perry? How about shutting down the facility permanently when they don’t have the proper safety measures in place - like sprinklers and fire breaks. And hefty criminal charges for those violations and operating without proper procedures and equipment in place.

220 calochortus  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 12:13:20pm

re: #206 HappyWarrior

And if he had gone, they’d accuse him of just trying to get good publicity. Guy can’t win with the dummies.

And imagine if he pointed out a couple more inspections of the plant would have been useful?

Communism!!!

221 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 12:13:27pm

re: #216 Vicious Babushka

Apples and oranges? Yeah, McVeigh killed a hell of a lot more people, most of them being federal government employees, IIRC.

Oh, and he was a white ‘Murican.

222 I Am Kreniigh!  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 12:13:36pm

re: #173 Vicious Babushka

WHO NEEDS WATERBOARDING WHEN INVESTIGATORS CONTROL THE MORPHINE DRIP

Hell, hook him up to some pure MDMA and get him into a cuddle pile. You’ll find out everything you need to know and then some…

223 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 12:14:10pm

Somebody really has to do a Bryan Fischer parody account, and Tweet messages about loving your fellow man, helping the poor and disadvantaged, tolerance and forgiveness, and other stuff that Jesus preached about.

224 HappyWarrior  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 12:14:19pm

re: #220 calochortus

And imagine if he pointed out a couple more inspections of the plant would have been useful?

REGULATIONS ARE GOVERNMENT TYRANNY.

225 HappyWarrior  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 12:15:11pm

re: #223 Vicious Babushka

Somebody really has to do a Bryan Fischer parody account, and Tweet messages about loving your fellow man, helping the poor and disadvantaged, tolerance and forgiveness, and other stuff that Jesus preached about.

Ah you mean the stuff that Bryan Fischer never does. Really, I’ve almost forgotten that the man is a member of the clergy. If I didn’t know, I’d think that he was just some Limbaugh wannabe.

226 calochortus  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 12:15:23pm

re: #216 Vicious Babushka

“Apples and Oranges.”

Apples and Oranges. Christians and Muslims.
Fixed.

227 lawhawk  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 12:15:52pm

re: #198 darthstar

So Dzhokhar was charged with using WMDs…aren’t we watering down the definition of WMD a bit? I mean, by this definition, Iraq really did have WMDs.

It’s a term of art under the US Code. The terrorism charges under 18 USC 2332a refer to nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons as WMD, but also refer to 18 USC 921, which includes garden variety explosives.

It’s meant to increase and enhance the penalties for carrying out acts of terrorism, including by conventional explosives since the penalties under 2332a include the death penalty or life in prison.

228 HappyWarrior  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 12:16:38pm

Next Fischer will call for the deportation of Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Everlast, and Dave Chappelle.

229 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 12:19:04pm

Srsly I think RWNJ’s believe that Tsarnaev should just be charged with “BEING A MUSLIM”

230 Decatur Deb  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 12:19:06pm

re: #219 lawhawk

More on the West Texas explosion and the failure of oversight/regulation.

EPA had some inkling of what the plant does because of the ammonia kept at the facility, but DHS, which has jurisdiction on ammonium nitrate, didn’t even know the facility existed until it blew up. No one at the company bothered to self-report on the presence of quantities of the material, which can be used as an explosive agent.

Yet, one of the worst industrial accidents occurred in Texas - the Texas City explosion involving… improper storage of ammonium nitrate. Some things don’t change.

How to do things better Gov. Perry? How about shutting down the facility permanently when they don’t have the proper safety measures in place - like sprinklers and fire breaks. And hefty criminal charges for those violations and operating without proper procedures and equipment in place.

Both EPA and OSHA, which is more oriented towards on-site worker safety, are chronically undermanned. Both agencies have relied increasingly on self-reporting over the decades. Sequestration isn’t going to help that. Robert Reich was the last Secretary of Labor to show any aggressiveness on the safety front.

231 abolitionist  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 12:19:31pm

re: #219 lawhawk

More on the West Texas explosion and the failure of oversight/regulation.

EPA had some inkling of what the plant does because of the ammonia kept at the facility, but DHS, which has jurisdiction on ammonium nitrate, didn’t even know the facility existed until it blew up. No one at the company bothered to self-report on the presence of quantities of the material, which can be used as an explosive agent.

Yet, one of the worst industrial accidents occurred in Texas - the Texas City explosion involving… improper storage of ammonium nitrate. Some things don’t change.

How to do things better Gov. Perry? How about shutting down the facility permanently when they don’t have the proper safety measures in place - like sprinklers and fire breaks. And hefty criminal charges for those violations and operating without proper procedures and equipment in place.

Elevated levels of water content makes ammonium nitrate significantly less stable. Therefore, strict laws/rules and “common sense” safety measures can be counterproductive. It’s one of those contexts where Mother Nature is a bitch.

232 Bulworth  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 12:21:49pm
Apples and Oranges

Well, gosh, that explains it.

/

233 HappyWarrior  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 12:23:06pm

re: #229 Vicious Babushka

Srsly I think RWNJ’s believe that Tsarnaev should just be charged with “BEING A MUSLIM”

Yeah, they seem more upset about that fact than the actual crimes he’s charged with.

234 darthstar  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 12:23:16pm

re: #227 lawhawk

Thanks for the clarfiication, but under internet ICNHZCHZBRGR-2212z, I reserve the right to mock.

235 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 12:24:36pm

re: #231 abolitionist

Elevated levels of water content makes ammonium nitrate significantly less stable. Therefore, strict laws/rules and “common sense” safety measures can be counterproductive. It’s one of those contexts where Mother Nature is a bitch.

Hmm, and one of the ways to handle an anhydrous ammonia incident is setting up a water spray to help dilute it. Not to mention the normal way to deal with most structure fires is spraying it with water as well.

Lack of information about what the actual hazards are can be (is) pretty deadly to first responders.

236 darthstar  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 12:25:20pm
237 I Am Kreniigh!  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 12:25:38pm

re: #211 darthstar

Even more disturbing is that the entire US military couldn’t find a pressure cooker in Iraq.

Just Cornballers.

238 erik_t  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 12:27:17pm

re: #237 I Am Kreniigh!

Just Cornballers.

YO SOY LOCO POR LOS CORNBALLS

239 Randall Gross  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 12:28:01pm

re: #147 NJDhockeyfan

I hope this capper1616 person is being investigated…

Account suspended

240 DisturbedEma  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 12:28:29pm

re: #225 HappyWarrior

I didn’t know he was clergy. It’s hard to see that from his words.

241 HappyWarrior  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 12:31:45pm

re: #240 DisturbedEma

I didn’t know he was clergy. It’s hard to see that from his words.

Yeah he was the Idaho Senate’s chaplain. I don’t know what his official title is but I know he was a chaplain.

242 DisturbedEma  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 12:31:55pm

I know I haven’t said it in awhile, but thanks to all of you who post sources/links to information that helps me slog through the mess that is mass media. I admit I’m STILL not sure where the Saudi “coverup” is coming from, but it’s been a real source of comfort to come here and at the very least have citations to credible information.

Todah…

243 DisturbedEma  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 12:32:23pm

re: #241 HappyWarrior

Mind blown…

244 I Am Kreniigh!  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 12:33:16pm

There’s no doubt in my mind that the likes of Ted Nugent, Bryan Fischer, and like-minded people would be the villains who would threaten the main characters in a post-apocalyptic/zombie movie after the main threat was overcome. Petty, brutal, tribalistic warlord wannabes. I’m glad I live in a society that keeps them in check.

245 Bulworth  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 12:33:48pm

re: #241 HappyWarrior

Ugh

246 Dr. Matt  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 12:35:48pm

re: #147 NJDhockeyfan

I hope this capper1616 person is being investigated…

What were the premise of his posts? Death threats against the CiC?

247 blueraven  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 12:36:56pm

Canadian Press Conference on Terror plot is on now.

248 kirkspencer  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 12:37:10pm

re: #244 I Am Kreniigh!

There’s no doubt in my mind that the likes of Ted Nugent, Bryan Fischer, and like-minded people would be the villains who would threaten the main characters in a post-apocalyptic/zombie movie after before the main threat was overcome. Petty, brutal, tribalistic warlord wannabes. I’m glad I live in a society that keeps them in check.

ftfy

249 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 12:37:47pm

re: #246 Dr. Matt

What were the premise of his posts? Death threats against the CiC?

Yes, I’d like to know too. By the time I checked it out, the account had been suspended.

250 Randall Gross  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 12:39:28pm

Just dropping this off, it came out late last night and apparently there was some pre Miranda questioning before he was charged etc
nymag.com

251 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 12:40:55pm

re: #223 Vicious Babushka

Somebody really has to do a Bryan Fischer parody account, and Tweet messages about loving your fellow man, helping the poor and disadvantaged, tolerance and forgiveness, and other stuff that Jesus preached about.

Life of Brian Fisherman?

252 Dr. Matt  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 12:42:21pm

re: #249 Dr Lizardo

Yes, I’d like to know too. By the time I checked it out, the account had been suspended.

Assuming this is the same capper1616 in the comments section, it’s easy to see what its account is suspended.

edit: He was calling Gov Patrick the n-word.

253 HappyWarrior  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 12:42:31pm

re: #243 DisturbedEma

Mind blown…

I know. Can’t imagine how his sermons are. The guy’s whole purpose in public life seems to be stirring up hatred. Talks alot about how great Christianity is but I’ve never seen him once engage in compassion or charity towards others. Just hatred for anything left of him or anything that’s gay or Muslim.

254 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 12:44:12pm

nbcnews.com

Now that would be an interesting job to put on a resume.

255 TBPlayer  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 12:44:57pm

About the only thing Margaret Thatcher got right was her insistence on treating terrorists as common criminals, and not elevating their status to that of warriors and thus romanticizing them. Made sense on many levels.

256 Bulworth  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 12:45:00pm

re: #253 HappyWarrior

I assume he doesn’t have an actual congregation or church now and that he just heads up this AFA or whatever it is.

257 HappyWarrior  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 12:46:10pm

re: #256 Bulworth

I assume he doesn’t have an actual congregation or church now and that he just heads up this AFA or whatever it is.

Ah that’s a good point. The SPLC’s website had an interesting article on him. Apparently his mother cheated on his father and he’s got big time Daddy issues.

258 Olsonist  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 12:47:24pm

The wife didn’t recognize them, them being plural?

Really. I can imagine that an FBI agent who interviewed Tamerlan once a few years back might not spot him from a grainy security cam photo. But I can’t imagine the wife not recognizing him/them.

Did Tamerlan have a job? He sure dressed sharp, had a Mercedes, did the boxing thing. Was this the dumbest woman on the planet? Was her family, who should have recognized them as well, the dumbest family on the planet?

259 Lidane  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 12:51:00pm

That’s because most people don’t know WTF actually happened at The Alamo or its importance:

260 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 12:55:33pm

re: #252 Dr. Matt

Assuming this is the same capper1616 in the comments section, it’s easy to see what its account is suspended.

edit: He was calling Gov Patrick the n-word.

Sigh.

On a bright spot, I’ve turned a former student and now a close friend of mine onto “Sanford and Son”. She’s cackling right now at Redd Foxx calling Aunt Esther ‘Godzilla’.

261 kirkspencer  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 12:57:41pm

re: #258 Olsonist

The wife didn’t recognize them, them being plural?

Really. I can imagine that an FBI agent who interviewed Tamerlan once a few years back might not spot him from a grainy security cam photo. But I can’t imagine the wife not recognizing him/them.

Did Tamerlan have a job? He sure dressed sharp, had a Mercedes, did the boxing thing. Was this the dumbest woman on the planet? Was her family, who should have recognized them as well, the dumbest family on the planet?

It’s not really that uncommon. “Oh, it looks like my husband (or wife, or brother, etc.) but he’d never do anything like that so it has to be someone else.”

262 Single-handed sailor  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 12:58:48pm
263 DisturbedEma  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 1:00:26pm

re: #253 HappyWarrior

I’m guessing his sermons are made up of his tweets, strung together with carefully selected passages from the Bible?

264 DisturbedEma  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 1:01:49pm

re: #260 Dr Lizardo

The exchanges between those two were some of the best laughs I’ve had as an adult:)

265 erik_t  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 1:02:28pm

re: #262 Single-handed sailor

ZOMG WHY IS OBAMA TRYING TO STEAL PRESIDENT BUSH’S SPOTLIGHT?!?!

266 DisturbedEma  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 1:03:11pm

re: #261 kirkspencer

Truth be told, I’d be much more likely to recognize photos of that quality of my children than of my partner.

267 Lidane  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 1:03:13pm

I’d say what I’m thinking right now, but I like it here:

WTF. No really. WTF.

268 DisturbedEma  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 1:04:56pm

re: #265 erik_t

It might’ve gotten lost in the shuffle, but did GWB issue a statement on the fire? I’m just curious given his status as former governor

269 DisturbedEma  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 1:05:59pm

re: #267 Lidane

I don’t need a Vulcan mond meld to know we are probably on the same wave length

270 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 1:06:14pm

re: #246 Dr. Matt

What were the premise of his posts? Death threats against the CiC?

I stopped reading it about halfway down but it was ugly. Lots of calling the police and firefighters terrorists, calling Obama the N word and a terrorist, saying the terrorists were framed, etc. Very angry stuff. It was suspended about a minute after I posted that tweet.

271 DisturbedEma  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 1:06:18pm

*mind

272 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 1:06:27pm

re: #264 DisturbedEma

The exchanges between those two were some of the best laughs I’ve had as an adult:)

I remember the show from my childhood.

I didn’t know until I got older that Redd Foxx and LaWanda Page were childhood friends growing up together in St. Louis, MO. One exchange had us both laughing hysterically.

Aunt Esther: Open the door, you ol’ heathen!
Fred: I can’t.
Aunt Esther: Why not?
Fred: ‘Cuz you ugly!

273 GunstarGreen  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 1:07:15pm

re: #267 Lidane

I’d say what I’m thinking right now, but I like it here:

WTF. No really. WTF.

Steubenville wouldn’t have even acknowledged that any crime took place at all, had it not been for massive external pressure. Considering what they did, the criminals involved got incredibly light wrist-slap sentences that were purely for show to the external public, and even non-Steubenville sources (the infamous CNN footage for example) were more sympathetic to the criminals than to the victim.

Of course the coach got an extension. Rape isn’t a real crime in the United States.

274 prairiefire  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 1:09:40pm

re: #272 Dr Lizardo

Yah, I’d call my little brothers “heathen’s” like she did, “Get out of here, you little heathens!”

275 lawhawk  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 1:10:16pm

re: #267 Lidane

It’s the culture of the town. It’s so deeply ingrained that they don’t even recognize just how much damage they’re doing to everyone by extending the contract.

And the problem isn’t just that the coach is getting an extension.

The coach’s indictments are likely pending - that’s plenty bad.

It’s the administrators who thought this was a good idea.

They too likely ought to get sacked for incompetence - deciding that winning ball games is a priority over public safety and those of the children that they are supposed to be teaching. The lesson that these administrators are inadvertently teaching the women and girls in town is that the football team is more important than their safety and that even rape convictions wont stand in the way of keeping the program operating as it was.

276 DisturbedEma  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 1:10:20pm

re: #272 Dr Lizardo

I didn’t know that! I do remember hearing that Redd Foxx collapsed on set and for the first few seconds, his fellow actors thought he was doing his “I’m coing to join you, Elizabeth” shtick…

277 CuriousLurker  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 1:10:30pm

re: #263 DisturbedEma

I’m guessing his sermons are made up of his tweets, strung together with carefully selected passages from the Bible?

Radio broadcasts. Right Wing Watch is a good source for all the bad crazy that issues forth from wingnutistan. If you’re looking for info on a specific person, the best place to start is on their People page.

Another excellent resource is the SPLC’s website.

278 Bulworth  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 1:12:20pm

re: #265 erik_t


ZOMG WHY IS OBAMA TRYING TO STEAL PRESIDENT BUSH’S SPOTLIGHT?!?!

All this travel could be used for moar WH kids visits!!111!!!

279 DisturbedEma  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 1:12:26pm

re: #277 CuriousLurker

Thank you for this- I’m one of those people who HAS to read as much as possible, even if it turns my stomach and boggles my mind

280 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 1:14:09pm

re: #274 prairiefire

Yah, I’d call my little brothers “heathen’s” like she did, “Get out of here, you little heathens!”

I liked “All In The Family” as well, but preferred “Sanford and Son”: part of that is because I grew up a few doors down from a real-life ‘Fred Sanford’ - he wasn’t a junk man, mind you, but he was retired when I was a kid. One of the very few black families in my neighborhood, and he and my dad got along really well. They used to go hunting in Utah together.

He reminded me a great deal of the Fred Sanford character. A genuinely nice guy, and I’d say aside from my parents, one of the influences in my childhood.

281 DisturbedEma  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 1:14:42pm

re: #278 Bulworth

And that’s ANOTHER rant that I just don’t get- why to so many people point to the WH visit limitations under sequester as a huge deal? WTH?

282 Lidane  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 1:15:07pm

GOP rebranding, to derpfinity and beyond:

283 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 1:15:08pm

From AP:
TORONTO — Police in Canada say two men have been arrested and charged with plotting a terrorist attack against a Canadian passenger train.

The Royal Canadian Mounted Police said Monday that Chiheb Esseghaier and Raed Jaser were conspiring to carry out an al-Qaida supported attack against Via Rail, but posed no imminent threat.

The investigation was part of a cross-border operation involving Canadian law enforcement agencies, the FBI and the U.S. Department of Homeland Security.

284 DisturbedEma  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 1:16:43pm

re: #280 Dr Lizardo

One of the “OMG really? You watch that?” moments from my childhood/young adulthood, when I found out my grandma loved Archie and Dingbat (the other moment? she watched WRESTING, The Claw, Andre The Giant type stuff)

285 HappyWarrior  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 1:16:55pm

re: #282 Lidane

GOP rebranding, to derpfinity and beyond:

And they continue to shoot themselves in the foot on this issue. As Obama said to Romney, please proceed.

286 jaunte  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 1:17:28pm

re: #281 DisturbedEma

And that’s ANOTHER rant that I just don’t get- why to so many people point to the WH visit limitations under sequester as a huge deal? WTH?

It’s one of the right-wing shorthand stand-ins for all the things that bother them about Obama being president.

In semiotics, a sign is something that can be interpreted as having a meaning, which is something other than itself, and which is therefore able to communicate information to the one interpreting or decoding the sign.en.wikipedia.org

287 CuriousLurker  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 1:17:29pm

re: #279 DisturbedEma

You’re welcome.

288 Bulworth  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 1:18:18pm

re: #282 Lidane

And Romney didn’t win many Hispanics? Shocking. /

289 lawhawk  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 1:18:33pm

re: #281 DisturbedEma

And that’s ANOTHER rant that I just don’t get- why to so many people point to the WH visit limitations under sequester as a huge deal? WTH?

It’s because those are events coordinated through Congressional offices, so when the tours get cancelled, the DC offices of the members hear it. And the last thing the members want are pissed off constituents, so they find the easy way out and blame Obama - even though Congress agreed to the sequester as a way to bring the sides together to cut a deal on deficit reduction.

Well, the GOP decided not to negotiate at all, and refuses to consider any kind of tax component to deficit reduction blocking any kind of deal that would end the sequester. At the same time, a lot of GOPers and conservatives don’t actually mind the sequester b/c it chops the discretionary budget in the first of what they hope are repeated steps to cut the size of government.

290 DisturbedEma  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 1:19:11pm

re: #286 jaunte

Ahhh so that explains the whole “people’s house” angle. To read some of the comments you’d think groups of people showed up at the WH and were driven away en masse.

291 jaunte  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 1:20:17pm

re: #290 DisturbedEma

I’m pretty sure a lot of the people complaining have never considered taking a
White House tour before now.

292 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 1:20:54pm

re: #284 DisturbedEma

One of the “OMG really? You watch that?” moments from my childhood/young adulthood, when I found out my grandma loved Archie and Dingbat (the other moment? she watched WRESTING, The Claw, Andre The Giant type stuff)

One of the biggest OMG moments of my childhood was finding out one of my uncles, who honest-to-God looked like Luca Brasi of “The Godfather” was hopelessly addicted to the soaps “General Hospital” and “One Life to Live”.

LOLOLOLOLOL!!

293 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 1:21:51pm

If this is real then BWAHAHAHAHA and if not then BWAHAHAHAHA

294 DisturbedEma  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 1:22:40pm

re: #277 CuriousLurker

I’m at the People link now, with 460 mentions, how close did Huckabee get to the nomination? All I can recall is Chuck Norris stumped for him.

295 DisturbedEma  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 1:23:35pm

re: #292 Dr Lizardo

You win:) Biggest LOL based on the description of the Soap addict.

296 makeitstop  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 1:25:31pm

re: #295 DisturbedEma

You win:) Biggest LOL based on the description of the Soap addict.

It truly surprises me when people you wouldn’t expect are addicted to soaps.

Case in point: I know a guy who is the road manager of a big-name metal band. Refuses to miss his ‘stories.’ :)

297 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 1:25:50pm

re: #295 DisturbedEma

You win:) Biggest LOL based on the description of the Soap addict.

LOL.

He was a straight-up guy, with a heart of gold. But honestly, he looked like a Mob enforcer. :)

298 DisturbedEma  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 1:28:11pm

re: #293 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

“WANTED: I am looking for someone who shares similar values on a philosophical level. I am a very confrontational person who enjoys a good argument, but I am sensitive to others, who believe in the socialist state, when I destroy them in argument.”

Whoa…how very, um, uneven in tone and temperment ;)

299 DisturbedEma  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 1:28:49pm

re: #296 makeitstop

With so many ending, it must be hard of the addicted

300 CuriousLurker  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 1:29:41pm

re: #294 DisturbedEma

I’m at the People link now, with 460 mentions, how close did Huckabee get to the nomination? All I can recall is Chuck Norris stumped for him.

In 2008? I don’t recall as I wasn’t very much into politics at the time.

301 DisturbedEma  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 1:31:38pm

re: #300 CuriousLurker

I was bedazzled and addled back then which is why I can’t remember.

302 Single-handed sailor  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 1:33:04pm

In the good news column for today we have Colbert-Busch has opened up a 9 point lead over Mark Sanford in a PPP poll.

303 prairiefire  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 1:33:12pm

re: #280 Dr Lizardo

When the Apocalypse happens, I’ve told my kids we are to join up the African American utility workers and their families. (half kidding) (the first half)

304 kirkspencer  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 1:34:24pm

re: #294 DisturbedEma

I’m at the People link now, with 460 mentions, how close did Huckabee get to the nomination? All I can recall is Chuck Norris stumped for him.

Basically neck and neck with Romney. Of the people who could not/would not vote for McCain, Romney got the monied minority and Huckabee the moral “majority”.

305 Lidane  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 1:36:18pm

re: #302 Single-handed sailor

In the good news column for today we have Colbert-Busch has opened up a 9 point lead over Mark Sanford in a PPP poll.

And it doesn’t help Sanford at all that he just took out a full page ad whining about his “rough week” in direct aftermath of the Boston bombings.

306 Lidane  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 1:36:45pm

PJ Media keepin’ it classy, y’all:

307 simoom  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 1:37:06pm

re: #289 lawhawk

Well, the GOP decided not to negotiate at all, and refuses to consider any kind of tax component to deficit reduction blocking any kind of deal that would end the sequester. At the same time, a lot of GOPers and conservatives don’t actually mind the sequester b/c it chops the discretionary budget in the first of what they hope are repeated steps to cut the size of government.

What’s irritating is that media write-ups often give the GOP credit for having proposed giving the President the authority/discretion to make smarter sequestration cuts, but what they actually proposed (Inhofe-Toomey) was requiring the President to submit to Congress a Sequestration replacement plan, within the constraints set by Inhofe-Toomey (no new revenue, limits on defense cuts, offsetting between accounts only allowed for Defense, etc) and then Congress still had to sign off the President’s proposals.

Essentially it required the President to propose the GOP’s cuts for them, still subject to their approval. It was nothing more than a stunt, but many in the media seem to have fallen for it.

308 erik_t  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 1:38:41pm

re: #306 Lidane

PJ Media keepin’ it classy, y’all:

Because as we all know, Gabrielle Giffords was elected as a Republican.

Seems legit.

309 A Mom Anon  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 1:39:04pm

re: #306 Lidane

Are you KIDDING me? Holy Crap. So Confederate Yankee is now a neurologist?

Lord help me, I have no more patience for these assholes.

310 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 1:40:07pm
311 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 1:40:30pm

re: #303 prairiefire

When the Apocalypse happens, I’ve told my kids we are to join up the African American utility workers and their families. (half kidding) (the first half)

LOL.

Pavla’s comment is - one: how genuinely funny “Sanford and Son” was and - two: how genuinely talented Redd Foxx was.

He had a great singing voice and a wicked sense of humor.

312 Stanley Sea  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 1:41:15pm

re: #306 Lidane

PJ Media keepin’ it classy, y’all:

The WSJ questioned her ability to pen the op ed.

The right is so freaking scared, this is classic pissing in your pants defensive behavior. That these people have an outlet to post this shit other than twitter is baffling. Oh, Rupert Murdoch, et al. What am I thinking.

313 jaunte  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 1:41:56pm

Image: Mail-has-good-judgement.png

314 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 1:42:10pm

re: #305 Lidane

And it doesn’t help Sanford at all that he just took out a full page ad whining about his “rough week” in direct aftermath of the Boston bombings.

yeah, because we’re supposed to sympathize with his self-described “Alamo” situation.
I don’t think the Alamo means what he thinks it does.

315 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 1:42:58pm
316 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 1:49:54pm

VIA Rail does not operate in the U.S. If you want to travel to a destination in Canada, you have to take Amtrak (or Greyhound) to a border city, CROSS THE BORDER on the bus, then board VIA in Canada.

I’ve taken the Windsor/Toronto VIA, it’s a nice trip but takes 6 hours compared to 4 hours by car.

317 Bulworth  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 1:52:09pm

From Dave Weigel, via Balloon Juice (or visa versa):

Senator Twitter at today’s immigration hearing:

“I want you to take note of the fact that when you proposed gun legislation, I didn’t accuse you of taking advantage of the Norristown (sic) situation as an excuse,” snapped Grassley when he got his chance to respond….

“Norristown”, Newtown. I don’t know, man, wherever that place was with the guns and kidz. Whatever.


balloon-juice.com

318 DelusionDeluge  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 1:52:17pm

I’m sorry, I just chuckle every single time I see the #TGDN hashtag. TGDN. LOL for infinity years.

319 danarchy  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 1:52:58pm

re: #294 DisturbedEma

I’m at the People link now, with 460 mentions, how close did Huckabee get to the nomination? All I can recall is Chuck Norris stumped for him.

Not Very. McCain pretty much had it wrapped up by Florida. Huckabee ended up with a few more delegates than Romney, but that’s just because Romney dropped out after Florida and Huckabee didn’t. The final delegate counts were McCain 1575, Huckabee with 279, Romney with 271, and Ron Paul with 35.

320 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 1:53:07pm

Nutbag.

321 engineer cat  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 1:53:37pm

GOP Shaman Protects Americans By Pronouncing The Word ‘Muslim’

explains classifying terrorism as islamic will magically reduce it

322 wrenchwench  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 1:53:42pm

:(

323 engineer cat  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 1:54:24pm

re: #322 wrenchwench

:(

he was such a talented musician

324 Bulworth  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 1:54:30pm

re: #320 Charles Johnson

The one on the grassy knoll.

325 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 1:54:34pm

re: #320 Charles Johnson

Image: tumblr_lovztzBbbb1qai9up.gif

326 erik_t  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 1:56:19pm

re: #320 Charles Johnson

Nutbag.

Without any ability to articulate what actually happened, why it would happen, what’s the big deal I’m just asking questions #benghazi

327 Lidane  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 1:56:40pm

re: #320 Charles Johnson

Isn’t that the same douchenozzle who claimed that Obama was now the global head of Al Qaeda?

WTF ever. These people are certifiable.

328 Decatur Deb  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 1:57:12pm

re: #322 wrenchwench

:(

Freedom

Youtube Video
329 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 1:57:14pm

re: #322 wrenchwench

Richie Havens “Freedom” at Woodstock

330 makeitstop  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 1:57:16pm

re: #320 Charles Johnson

Nutbag.

Even if it were remotely true, what in the hell would Obama gain by smuggling the guy out of the country.

The really sad thing? There are a lot of people who accept this as an article of faith.

I’m really beginning to hate Glenn Beck.

331 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 1:57:22pm

TED NUGENT CALLS FOR LYNCH & BREITBART TWITTER LOVES IT

332 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 1:58:22pm

re: #330 makeitstop

Even if it were remotely true, what in the hell would Obama gain by smuggling the guy out of the country.

The really sad thing? There are a lot of people who accept this as an article of faith.

I’m really beginning to hate Glenn Beck.

It will be accepted as absolute truth by a good-sized segment of the RWNJ’s.

333 Decatur Deb  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 1:58:30pm

re: #329 Backwoods_Sleuth

Richie Havens “Freedom” at Woodstock

Two seconds and 40 years apart.

334 Targetpractice  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 1:59:02pm

re: #330 makeitstop

Even if it were remotely true, what in the hell would Obama gain by smuggling the guy out of the country.

The really sad thing? There are a lot of people who accept this as an article of faith.

I’m really beginning to hate Glenn Beck.

Wild guess? They believe the guy’s Al-Q affiliated, if not a member, and Obama’s trying to hide him to avoid reprisals of criticism about declaring Al-Q “on the run.”

335 erik_t  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 2:00:31pm

re: #334 Targetpractice

Wild guess? They believe the guy’s Al-Q affiliated, if not a member, and Obama’s trying to hide him to avoid reprisals of criticism about declaring Al-Q “on the run.”

I think you think they’ve thought more than I think they’ve thought.

336 engineer cat  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 2:00:32pm

interesting freeper page

‘american thinker’ praises bomber’s uncle ruslan for denunciations of bombing, declares “Bombers’ Uncle Does More for American Muslims Than Progressive Talking Heads Ever Could”

many freepers however aver “all muslims lie”

337 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 2:02:48pm

re: #333 Decatur Deb

Two seconds and 40 years apart.

an even more amazing song these many years later.

338 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 2:03:04pm

re: #336 engineer cat

interesting freeper page

‘american thinker’ praises bomber’s uncle ruslan for denunciations of bombing, declares “Bombers’ Uncle Does More for American Muslims Than Progressive Talking Heads Ever Could”

many freepers however aver “all muslims lie”

Of course. It’s an article of faith among the wingnuts that all Muslims lie, no matter what they say. There’s no convincing these nutbags of anything else; they’re blinded by hate.

Think happy thoughts. Here…..let me help.

Youtube Video
339 Bulworth  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 2:03:13pm

re: #330 makeitstop

Yeah, when you’re a ruthless dictator and ripper upper of Constitutions, can’t you pretty much just have the guy wacked? Or given lush digs at the WH? These conspiracies, man, just don’t make any damn sense.

340 abolitionist  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 2:03:51pm

re: #320 Charles Johnson

Nutbag.

Since the older brother was killed, and the younger one captured, Obama had to abort the rest of the false flag operation, and return the 3rd man to Benghazi.

341 engineer cat  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 2:04:32pm

I Did Not Know This Thing What I Believe Before You Splained It Too Me

Once upon a time, when a person entered college there was usually not anyone arguing about 3 3=6. Now when people go to college they are asked “How do you feel about 3 3=6?”

Liberals hate objective truth. Liberals believe that you must be completely neutral

342 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 2:05:15pm

Sad news.

343 Bulworth  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 2:06:28pm

re: #341 engineer cat

He/She’s right, though. Real American conservative patriots believe in Objective Truth. Like Creationism, for instance.//

344 Targetpractice  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 2:08:11pm

re: #335 erik_t

I think you think they’ve thought more than I think they’ve thought.

Not much thinking involved. They just dust off their leading “theory” for why Obama wouldn’t declare Benghazi to be an act of terrorism.

345 engineer cat  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 2:08:31pm

i was mioda-ibuki!!!!

i am the spiritual embodiment of pizza
hail ibuki 666

1 whole pizza

the web is taking me strange places

346 Slap  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 2:13:40pm

re: #242 DisturbedEma

I know I haven’t said it in awhile, but thanks to all of you who post sources/links to information that helps me slog through the mess that is mass media. I admit I’m STILL not sure where the Saudi “coverup” is coming from, but it’s been a real source of comfort to come here and at the very least have citations to credible information.

Todah…

Oh, DITTO a thousand times over. My own gratitude is pretty boundless, as well.

347 Sarah Handel  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 2:18:59pm

re: #342 Charles Johnson

Sad news.

Man you said it. His performance of “Handsome Johnny” at Woodstock was for me, the best performance of the whole show. At least, the bits shown in the movie.

Wait, Janis Joplin was awesome too.

348 I Am Kreniigh!  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 2:19:48pm

re: #293 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

If this is real then BWAHAHAHAHA and if not then BWAHAHAHAHA

“In many ways, I am a combination of Rand’s two iconic heroes. Like John Galt, I am on strike from a society which is not worthy of what I can produce and have been for going on seven years now.”

Go on, you’re thinking the punchline right now.

349 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 2:21:31pm

re: #348 I Am Kreniigh!

“In many ways, I am a combination of Rand’s two iconic heroes. Like John Galt, I am on strike from a society which is not worthy of what I can produce and have been for going on seven years now.”

Go on, you’re thinking the punchline right now.

So in other words, this person has been unemployed for seven years.

350 GeneJockey  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 2:21:59pm

re: #330 makeitstop

Even if it were remotely true, what in the hell would Obama gain by smuggling the guy out of the country.

You’re overthinking it by thinking it at all. If there’s one thing I’ve learned from interacting with wingnuts these days, it’s that their point no longer need to even approach coherence. I’ve tried to understand their arguments, but none of them make any sense.

351 Decatur Deb  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 2:23:08pm

re: #348 I Am Kreniigh!

“In many ways, I am a combination of Rand’s two iconic heroes. Like John Galt, I am on strike from a society which is not worthy of what I can produce and have been for going on seven years now.”

Go on, you’re thinking the punchline right now.

Good God, that’s a Libertarian dating site. Dipshit Mingle.

352 Bulworth  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 2:25:10pm
“In many ways, I am a combination of Rand’s two iconic heroes. Like John Galt, I am on strike from a society which is not worthy of what I can produce and have been for going on seven years now.”

So, this person is unemployed.

353 Bulworth  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 2:28:25pm
I am a motivated professional, very into my career ambitions. I have not met may people that share my values and would definately like to meet some more. Ideal ….Dagny…..If a women falls a bit short of that…there’s always room for improvement. I work as a hairstylist in an upsc…

Gotta be parody

354 darthstar  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 2:28:27pm

re: #351 Decatur Deb

Good God, that’s a Libertarian dating site. Dipshit Mingle.

Find Galt’s match for you.

355 Bulworth  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 2:29:41pm
The average person once told me that I intimidate him. To that, I said, “GOOD”, because I am not interested in the average person. I eat my Captain Crunch out of hand made Mexican Salsa bowls - because each is painted beautifully unique. I have no hope to make the SusyQ homemakers of…
356 Decatur Deb  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 2:31:04pm

re: #355 Bulworth

Guessing neurological damage from lead glazes.

357 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 2:31:49pm

re: #352 Bulworth

So, this person is unemployed.

Cause his shit is too good for the rest of us.

358 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 2:34:29pm

re: #355 Bulworth

I eat my Captain Crunch out of hand made Mexican Salsa bowls - because each is painted beautifully unique.

bwahahaha! Wondering if that person realizes the odds that the paint used has lead in it….

359 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 2:34:36pm

re: #357 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

Cause his shit is too good for the rest of us.

So what he/she is saying is ,”I am a socially awkward, maladjusted, long-term unemployed living in my parent’s basement John Galt.

360 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 2:35:23pm

re: #356 Decatur Deb

Guessing neurological damage from lead glazes.

we are sooo on the same wavelength today…

361 Decatur Deb  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 2:35:56pm

re: #360 Backwoods_Sleuth

we are sooo on the same wavelength today…

Took my tinfoil hat off.

362 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 2:43:48pm

re: #361 Decatur Deb

Took my tinfoil hat off.

my tinfoil hat never stays put.

363 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 2:47:21pm

re: #353 Bulworth

I work as a hairstylist in an upsc…

I shudder to think what happens when upscale hairstylists decide to go Galt…

364 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 2:48:28pm

re: #363 Backwoods_Sleuth

I shudder to think what happens when upscale hairstylists decide to go Galt…

oh wait…I know…sarah palin’s parade of horrendous wigs.

365 thedopefishlives  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 2:48:58pm

Evening Lizardim.

366 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 2:49:23pm

re: #363 Backwoods_Sleuth

I shudder to think what happens when upscale hairstylists decide to go Galt…

Image: Picture_28.png

367 Dr. Matt  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 2:57:11pm

I’m starting to think that conservatives have a super secret listserv where they make daily bets on who can say the stupidest fucking things.

368 CuriousLurker  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 3:06:02pm

OT - A bit of good news, another scumbag off the street:

Eric Justin Toth, suspect on FBI’s ‘Most Wanted Fugitives’ list, detained in Nicaragua, report says

(CBS/AP) MANAGUA, Nicaragua - Police in Nicaragua have detained Eric Justin Toth, a child-porn suspect and one of the FBI’s ten most-wanted fugitives. […]

The former Washington D.C. elementary school teacher faces accusations he possessed and produced child pornography.

He lost his teaching job in 2008 after another teacher found images of child pornography on a school camera in Toth’s possession. He then disappeared. […]

369 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 3:09:12pm

re: #367 Dr. Matt

I’m starting to think that conservatives have a super secret listserv where they make daily bets on who can say the stupidest fucking things.

It’s #TGDN. They think it’s a super seekrit list that they get added to after giving Todd Kincannon the super seekrit password, but it’s just a Twitter hashtag that the rest of us can laugh at and make fun of.

370 ProBosniaLiberal  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 3:20:00pm

I know is this way of topic, but I found out about a curious little war that occurred in Russia in 1992:

East Prigorodny Conflict

Summary: A bunch of Muslim Ingush were ethnically cleansed from a district in North Ossetia after the North Ossetians allowed South Ossetian refugees to settle there, without talking to the Ingush first. Russia did nothing to stop this, and in fact helped the Ossetians. The Ingush had already been pushed off the lands in the 1800s.

Also, curious thing. I am noticing, especially in this area, the population growth is largely from the local ethnic groups. In this area, that could be an issue. The Ingush and Chechens certainly don’t trust Moscow, and I imagine the same for the Dagestanis.

371 ProBosniaLiberal  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 3:22:05pm

re: #370 ProBosniaLiberal

Okay, the site isn’t allowing me for to fix a mis-spelling up there. Is something going on?

372 biorabbi  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 3:22:06pm

The wing nuts do not understand the military commission system is kind of like a dawdling purgatory. I agree completely with the above poster’s comment about shying away from the death penalty? Last I checked KSM is still alive and well.

According to the WSJ, the person who may have radicalized the older brother was his freaking mother!!! Apparently, she got the older brother to adopt a strict lifestyle, while she, herself, quit her job working in a spa so she wouldn’t have to touch men. It now seems obvious the older brother did a number on the younger, more impressionable brother.

Apparently, the older brother was hostile to the FBI interviewer(WSJ again) per mother’s report. There is no mention of any military training or alliance with any formal terrorist group. What did the brother’s uncle call his nephews a few days back?? Scum, or something like that; about right.

373 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 3:23:11pm

re: #371 ProBosniaLiberal

Okay, the site isn’t allowing me for to fix a mis-spelling up there. Is something going on?

did that to me last night.

374 ProBosniaLiberal  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 3:23:39pm

re: #373 Backwoods_Sleuth

Woohoo! Glitch club!

375 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 3:26:00pm

re: #372 biorabbi

Where are you getting the information about the mother?

376 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 3:30:14pm

re: #374 ProBosniaLiberal

Woohoo! Glitch club!

or….chemtrails!!!!!!!!

377 Charles Johnson  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 3:35:00pm

re: #371 ProBosniaLiberal

That problem’s fixed now - try again.

378 klys  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 3:38:05pm

re: #219 lawhawk

More on the West Texas explosion and the failure of oversight/regulation.

EPA had some inkling of what the plant does because of the ammonia kept at the facility, but DHS, which has jurisdiction on ammonium nitrate, didn’t even know the facility existed until it blew up. No one at the company bothered to self-report on the presence of quantities of the material, which can be used as an explosive agent.

Yet, one of the worst industrial accidents occurred in Texas - the Texas City explosion involving… improper storage of ammonium nitrate. Some things don’t change.

How to do things better Gov. Perry? How about shutting down the facility permanently when they don’t have the proper safety measures in place - like sprinklers and fire breaks. And hefty criminal charges for those violations and operating without proper procedures and equipment in place.

The major problem is you still need an enforcement mechanism that relies on something other than self-reporting, particularly in a small town situation where it plays an important role in livelihood and tax revenues. (The plant had 11 employees and was owned by a local figure who also owned the grain storage facility and a large farm conglomerate, near as I can tell.)

It is unclear exactly when they started storing the ammonium nitrate on site, but the EPA wouldn’t care about that because they are more focused on air hazards (which anhydrous ammonia flashing to a gas falls under, but solid ammonium nitrate significantly less so). The first indication of its presence comes from the Tier Two form for 2012.

This is still a giant tragedy that didn’t have to happen and I sincerely would like to see criminal charges.

379 engineer cat  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 3:41:09pm

Injured Bombing Suspect

i would tend to think that the only useful thing we could learn at this point would be if the person or persons who got them to do this were part of a larger group

380 gwangung  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 3:45:49pm

re: #379 engineer cat

Injured Bombing Suspect

i would tend to think that the only useful thing we could learn at this point would be if the person or persons who got them to do this were part of a larger group

Kinda important, innit?

381 Lidane  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 3:46:34pm

re: #379 engineer cat

Injured Bombing Suspect

i would tend to think that the only useful thing we could learn at this point would be if the person or persons who got them to do this were part of a larger group

382 Targetpractice  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 3:47:32pm

re: #381 Lidane

LIES! The Daily Mirror told me there’s a whole terror cell being investigated! Waterboard him!!!

383 klys  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 3:47:54pm

Man, can you imagine what the coverage would have been like if we had the modern media and Twitter during the Crusades?

384 CuriousLurker  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 3:51:58pm

Wait—today’s only Monday? Sheesh, it feels like it should be mid-week at least. I guess last week was just wayyyy too long.

385 blueraven  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 3:53:42pm

Fox News said the suspect has been read his Miranda rights now.

386 blueraven  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 3:57:32pm

re: #385 blueraven

Fox News said the suspect has been read his Miranda rights now.

foxnews.com

The White House said Monday that the surviving suspect in the Boston Marathon bombing will not be treated as an enemy combatant, drawing a rebuke from Republican lawmakers who wanted the administration to consider that option for the sake of intelligence gathering.

The announcement came as a federal complaint was filed against suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev. Fox News has learned that the suspect made an initial appearance in front of a federal magistrate judge at the hospital where he still is being treated. Fox News also confirmed he was advised of his Miranda rights. No plea was entered.

387 CuriousLurker  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 3:58:53pm

Okay, I have an OT question and I don’t care how stupid it makes me look.

If you have an appliance like an air purifier or air conditioner, does it use the same amount of electricity no matter what speed you’re running it at (assuming you’re not running it in “energy saver” mode)?

388 klys  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 4:01:15pm

re: #387 CuriousLurker

Okay, I have an OT question and I don’t care how stupid it makes me look.

If you have an appliance like an air purifier or air conditioner, does it use the same amount of electricity no matter what speed you’re running it at (assuming you’re not running it in “energy saver” mode)?

I can’t necessarily answer for the air purifier, but for the air conditioner what’s going to matter for power consumption is how often the compressor is running, as that is the part that really chews up a lot of electricity. Compressor running more often = higher electric bills.

My gut feeling on the air purifier (or any other type of appliance where we’re talking about the speed of a fan running) is that there will be a small difference but it is likely just that: small.

389 CuriousLurker  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 4:03:49pm

re: #388 klys

I can’t necessarily answer for the air purifier, but for the air conditioner what’s going to matter for power consumption is how often the compressor is running, as that is the part that really chews up a lot of electricity. Compressor running more often = higher electric bills.

My gut feeling on the air purifier (or any other type of appliance where we’re talking about the speed of a fan running) is that there will be a small difference but it is likely just that: small.

Perfect! Thanks.

390 blueraven  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 4:03:54pm

re: #386 blueraven

foxnews.com

Facepalm!

from the comments section

thetruth2020
29 minutes ago

Let me get this straight if the leader of NK or Iran wants to launch an attack against the U.S. all they have to do is get a green card first and then they can claim it is not an act of war and demand an attorney? This has Obama’s fingerprints all over it.

391 abolitionist  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 4:11:25pm

re: #387 CuriousLurker

Assuming a decent design, it shouldn’t matter much for an air conditioner. A higher fan speed would help more with efficient thermal heat transfer via air at the condenser (hotter) and evaporator (cooler). But running that fan faster costs a little more electricity. So it’s a tradeoff. The motor pumping the coolant isn’t much affected, except for the percentage of time that it may be running.

For an air purifier, the fan is the main thing consuming electricity, so in that case, yes, you should expect significantly more electricity used at a high setting. But it’s not much, compared to an AC unit.

392 Lidane  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 4:14:10pm

re: #390 blueraven

Ladies and gents, Exhibit A of the failed conservative versions of history and civics.

393 CuriousLurker  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 4:15:17pm

re: #391 abolitionist

Thanks for the additional info. I feel a little bit smarter now, heh.

394 CuriousLurker  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 4:17:44pm

LOL @ the headline: NY’s Weiner Back on Twitter 2 Years After Disgrace

395 Decatur Deb  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 4:18:44pm

re: #394 CuriousLurker

LOL @ the headline: NY’s Weiner Back on Twitter 2 Years After Disgrace

They’re just going to write themselves.

396 jaunte  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 4:20:25pm

re: #386 blueraven

Have Peter King or Lindsey Graham ever explained why interrogation will be more effective if Tsarnaev is designated an enemy combatant?

397 SpaceJesus  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 4:22:42pm
Obama is treating this as a crime.

???

398 Interesting Times  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 4:22:46pm

re: #396 jaunte

Have Peter King or Lindsey Graham ever explained why interrogation will be more effective if Tsarnaev is designated an enemy combatant?

because booga booga islam is to normal courts what kryptonite is to superman herp derp

399 SpaceJesus  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 4:23:02pm

obviously this is some kind of tort

401 EPR-radar  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 4:23:59pm

re: #396 jaunte

Have Peter King or Lindsey Graham ever explained why interrogation will be more effective if Tsarnaev is designated an enemy combatant?

Torture satisfies deep-seated wingnut urges. These urges are used to define ‘effectiveness’ in wingnut-world.

402 wrenchwench  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 4:24:06pm

re: #387 CuriousLurker

Okay, I have an OT question and I don’t care how stupid it makes me look.

If you have an appliance like an air purifier or air conditioner, does it use the same amount of electricity no matter what speed you’re running it at (assuming you’re not running it in “energy saver” mode)?

At the local public library one can check out one of these. Of course, that’s not local to you, but maybe your library has them too.

403 blueraven  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 4:24:57pm

re: #396 jaunte

Have Peter King or Lindsey Graham ever explained why interrogation will be more effective if Tsarnaev is designated an enemy combatant?

Not anything coherent that I have heard…only that they are not afforded basic rights of due process so we can interrogate them unhindered by our pesky constitution.

404 CuriousLurker  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 4:26:31pm

re: #402 wrenchwench

At the local public library one can check out one of these. Of course, that’s not local to you, but maybe your library has them too.

Cool, I didn’t even know such a device existed. Thanks.

405 wrenchwench  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 4:27:10pm

re: #400 Killgore Trout

Officials: Boston bomb suspects apparently motivated by religion; no terrorist group ties seen

It would be nice if we had more than this to go on:

Two U.S. officials said preliminary evidence from an interrogation suggests the brothers were motivated by religion but were apparently not tied to any Islamic terrorist organizations. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to publicly discuss the investigation.

406 jaunte  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 4:27:44pm

re: #403 blueraven

Republican New York Rep. Peter King, among the first to call for Tsarnaev to be handled as a potential enemy combatant, stood by that position on “Fox News Sunday.” He, too, agreed that the suspect could be tried and convicted in federal court.

“He’s going to be convicted,” King said. “I’m not worried about a conviction. I want the intelligence.” foxnews.com

King makes it sound so easy to get “the intelligence.”

407 wrenchwench  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 4:28:28pm

re: #406 jaunte

King makes it sound so easy to get “the intelligence.”

He should acquire his own supply.

408 GeneJockey  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 4:31:06pm

re: #406 jaunte

King makes it sound so easy to get “the intelligence.”

With thoughts I’d be thinkin’, I could be another Lincoln, if I only had a brain…

409 blueraven  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 4:32:02pm

re: #406 jaunte

King makes it sound so easy to get “the intelligence.”

Read more: foxnews.com

Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham and other lawmakers, though, were not suggesting he be tried before a military commission. Graham, rather, was suggesting that the administration label him an “enemy combatant” for purposes of intelligence gathering. He said Monday afternoon that he “strongly” disagrees with the administration’s decision to rule out that possibility.

“I believe such a decision is premature, it is impossible for us to gather the evidence in just a few days to determine whether or not this individual should be held for questioning under the law of war,” Graham said.

He said information gathered under enemy combatant status would never be used in a court of law, but he added, “The last thing we should do is limit our ability to gather intelligence.”

Graham earlier conceded it’s not yet clear whether he could qualify as a combatant — to do so, the government would need to prove he was linked to Al Qaeda or an Al Qaeda-linked group.

Cully Stimson, a former federal prosecutor and deputy secretary of defense for detainee affairs, says that is a big problem, and designating him an enemy combatant while knowing he is not one could actually hurt the prosecution’s case in federal court.

410 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 4:37:23pm

EAT A BAG OF DICKS, BRYAN.

411 klys  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 4:40:15pm

re: #405 wrenchwench

It would be nice if we had more than this to go on:

That pretty much sums up all the news on this right now (and the reason I continue to ignore the story for the time being): lots of speculation, very little in the way of facts. Especially publicly released facts from reputable sources.

412 Mattand  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 4:41:15pm

re: #400 Killgore Trout

Officials: Boston bomb suspects apparently motivated by religion; no terrorist group ties seen

Keep reaching for the stars, KT. You’ll get your Muslim boogeyman yet.

413 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 4:41:31pm

I’ve been pondering, what if Tamerlan and Dzhokhar (but primarily Tamerlan on his visit to the Old Homeland in Dagestan, where everyone thought he was lame) tried to join an organized terrorist group like Al Qaeda or United Forces of the Mujahedeen of the Caucasus and were rejected on account of their being undisciplined and incompetent.

And then thought, “I’ll show you!”

414 efuseakay  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 4:41:57pm

re: #405 wrenchwench

It would be nice if we had more than this to go on:

Who are these officials? Lindsey Graham and?

415 Killgore Trout  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 4:48:09pm

re: #413 Vicious Babushka

A lot of jihadist groups have become mistrustful of American volunteers as possible spies. It’s possible he tried to join up and was rejected.

416 CuriousLurker  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 4:56:39pm

More details about the elder brother’s outbursts (there were two) from the Boston mosque. They say that after the second outburst he was warned that a third would result in a meeting with Stinky Beaumont, so he STFU (as trolls usually do):

Mosque says 1 marathon bombing suspect twice had outbursts during services

The Islamic Society of Boston Cultural Center on Monday told about that outburst by Tamerlan Tsarnaev and provided more details on a second one two months later that the group had previously described.

The group said in its statement that Tsarnaev, who was pronounced dead on Friday after a shootout with police, was not a member of its Cambridge mosque but sometimes attended Friday services and daily prayers over the last year or so. His younger brother, Dzhokhar, who was captured Friday and charged Monday with conspiracy to use a weapon of mass destruction, showed up sometimes for prayers, the group said. […]

The troublesome behavior first came in November, just before Thanksgiving, the mosque said….In January, the mosque said Tsarnaev had a similar outburst. […]

Later, volunteer leaders of the mosque met with him and told him that he would not be welcome at service if he interrupted again. The group said he continued attending sometimes and did not cause any more problems.

417 GeneJockey  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 4:58:34pm

re: #415 Killgore Trout

A lot of jihadist groups have become mistrustful of American volunteers as possible spies. It’s possible he tried to join up and was rejected.

“I’m sorry, Mr - Tsarnaev, is it? - Tsarnaev, but that position has been filled, and really, we just don’t have the budget to add more headcount right now. But we’ll keep your resume on file, and contact you if there’s an opening.”

418 wheat-dogghazi  Mon, Apr 22, 2013 5:21:20pm

OT (sort of) but this is the latest conspiracy nonsense from a former student of mine. From his Facebook feed:

Has anyone heard anything about the Waco Fertilizer plant explosion? If you have, you’ve heard little, with all the coverage of the Boston marathon bombing. Youtube a video of the explosion and notice the JDAM missle striking the building, which is what caused it to explode. Do a little more research, as I have, on the plant and you’ll find that the company was trying to be acquired by Monsanto, to no avail. How do you run out a company that doesn’t want to release their ownership to Monsanto, the governments new super corporation? You bomb the shit out of them!

DERP


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