Boston Bombing Update: The Tsarnaev Brothers Were Headed for New York

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The latest report from the Boston Globe has a new detail about the Tsarnaev brothers’ plans before the final shootout with police:

Police sources told the Globe that the carjack victim has told police that Tamerlan Tsarnaev and his brother pointed guns at him and, in an apparent effort to intimidate the victim and dissaude him from trying anything foolish, Tamerlan Tsarnaev told him, “We just killed a cop. We blew up the marathon. And now we’re going to New York. Don’t [expletive] with us.”

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1 abolitionist  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 1:00:05pm

I wonder how long the parents and some other relatives will be in denial about what happened.

2 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 1:02:00pm

I bet they planned on driving a Honda to NYC!

3 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 1:03:05pm
4 klys  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 1:03:45pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

At least it wasn’t iced tea and Skittles?

//

5 lawhawk  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 1:03:59pm

And that marks another one of the mystifying things that these two did before, during and after the bombing.

the carjack victim has told police that Tamerlan Tsarnaev and his brother pointed guns at him and, in an apparent effort to intimidate the victim and dissaude him from trying anything foolish, Tamerlan Tsarnaev told him, “We just killed a cop. We blew up the marathon. And now we’re going to New York. Don’t [expletive] with us.”

Why telegraph their intentions to the carjack victim, let alone let the guy live? If that was what they were going to do - why give cops a chance to catch up to them and get a better description on their whereabouts.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m thankful that this duo engaged in as many boneheaded and head-scratching acts as they did; it’s those actions that helped catch them and may have prevented further bloodshed - in NYC or en route.

6 Lidane  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 1:04:46pm

The more I read about these guys, the dumber this whole thing gets.

It’s amazing that they didn’t blow themselves up when building their bombs, and a goddamn tragedy that they managed to actually make functional explosives.

7 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 1:05:39pm

re: #5 lawhawk

They actually didn’t let him live - he escaped when they got out of the car together. I’ll bet they planned to kill him.

8 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 1:07:08pm

The brothers actually left this guy alone in the car while they went into the store. Possibly the dumbest terrorists ever.

9 Dr. Matt  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 1:08:30pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

It looks like they bought Red Bull and Doritos. twitter.com/BuzzFeedAndrew…
— Andrew Kaczynski (@BuzzFeedAndrew) April 23, 2013

Ah, so they were going to spend the evening tweeting and trolling blogs?

10 wrenchwench  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 1:08:34pm

re: #4 klys

At least it wasn’t iced tea and Skittles?

//

He’s wearing a hoodie, though!

11 Minor_L  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 1:08:48pm

re: #7 Charles Johnson

I read today that they told him they weren’t going to kill him because he wasn’t American. The details keep changing, though, so who knows?

12 DesertDenizen  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 1:10:12pm

To borrow from the esteemed Ms. Geller, these two seem to be the Keystone Kops of the terror world.


///

13 erik_t  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 1:11:18pm

Now that you have heard our secret plan, we shall allow you to escape!

I hope the Brothers Tsarnaev are featured as the next Bond villains.

14 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 1:11:59pm

The AP Twitter account was apparently hacked because somebody followed a link from a phishing email and entered a password on a page that looked exactly like Twitter.

15 DesertDenizen  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 1:13:56pm

re: #14 Charles Johnson

If AP employees fall for basic phishing, should we be surprised at the terrible quality of reporting today? This shows a distressing lack of common knowledge and critical thinking skills.

16 lawhawk  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 1:15:38pm

re: #7 Charles Johnson

Thanks for the clarification.

It does seem odd and counterproductive though that the bothered to go carjack the guy, but didn’t kill him outright (or if they didn’t want to kill him - to tie him up somewhere that the cops wouldn’t easily find until after they were clear of the area). If you’re planning a terror spree, it would seem better to leave fewer witnesses and tracks.

17 klys  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 1:16:24pm

re: #15 DesertDenizen

If AP employees fall for basic phishing, should we be surprised at the terrible quality of reporting today? This shows a distressing lack of common knowledge and critical thinking skills.

While you would like to think that control of the AP twitter feed is trusted to someone with critical thinking skills, it is more likely maintained by a ‘social media’ specialist.

Having watched some of those implode spectacularly on the Internet, I make no assumptions about critical thinking being part of the job requirement. Or even common sense.

19 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 1:17:13pm

re: #16 lawhawk

Yeah - that’s why the guy was very smart to grab that opportunity and make a break for it. If he stuck around they probably would have eventually realized that they needed to kill him.

20 Dr. Matt  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 1:17:51pm

Here is a screen capture of LGF from my PC…. notice the advert from Amazon.

21 DesertDenizen  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 1:18:10pm

re: #17 klys

I suppose I like to think that critical thinking skills and common sense are, well, common. At least in people whose jobs require them. I keep forgetting that half of all people are below average.

22 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 1:18:34pm

re: #20 Dr. Matt

Here is a screen capture of LGF from my PC…. notice the advert from Amazon.

Targeted advertising at its finest!

23 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 1:18:45pm

re: #20 Dr. Matt

sorry, have to laugh.

24 wrenchwench  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 1:19:03pm

re: #20 Dr. Matt

Here is a screen capture of LGF from my PC…. notice the advert from Amazon.

Mmmm….pork chops….

25 klys  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 1:20:43pm

re: #21 DesertDenizen

I suppose I like to think that critical thinking skills and common sense are, well, common. At least in people whose jobs require them. I keep forgetting that half of all people are below average.

It’s a very comforting belief to cling to, that people are reasonable and act in reasonable ways.

I much prefer it to reality, myself. Reality just keeps reminding me that it doesn’t work that way though.

26 Big Steve  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 1:22:48pm

re: #20 Dr. Matt

Here is a screen capture of LGF from my PC…. notice the advert from Amazon.

My second amendment right to own a pressure cooker.

27 CuriousLurker  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 1:24:40pm

re: #26 Big Steve

My second amendment right to own a pressure cooker.

POTUS will be sending out his pressure cooker grabbers any day now. //

28 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 1:25:14pm

The Onion’s Amazon Original pilot is pretty great:

amazon.com

29 DesertDenizen  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 1:25:18pm

re: #25 klys

Working in government in an anti-government area should remind me, but I reckon I’m an optimist.

30 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 1:28:48pm

Sick, Sick fucks:

The sick-and-twisted preying upon the merely sick

Modeling scouts have been gathering outside of Sweden’s largest eating disorder clinic, trying to lure critically thin patients onto the runway.

Let me type that again, with annotations. Modeling scouts—known for weighing young girls in public like cattle and targeting down-and-out families, but perhaps not for exploiting the life-threatening delusions of sick teenagers—were gathering—in the plural, so more than one person thought this was okay—outside of Sweden’s largest eating disorder clinic. They were there to recruit anorexic girls to their agencies, because where else would you search for perilously skinny young women who are unlikely to put on weight? Anna-Maria af Sandeberg, chief doctor at the 1,700-bed Stockholm Center for Eating Disorders, told the Metro newspaper, “People have stood outside our clinic and tried to pick up our girls because they know they are very thin.”

31 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 1:29:22pm

The Zombieland pilot - kinda sucks.

32 klys  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 1:30:40pm

re: #30 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Sick, Sick fucks:

The sick-and-twisted preying upon the merely sick

Gah. I’m already having an “I hate humanity” day thanks to ggt’s article on the principal in Michigan.

33 Lidane  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 1:30:58pm

re: #31 Charles Johnson

The Zombieland pilot - kinda sucks.

Yes. Yes it does. Whoever they got to play the Woody Harrelson character is terrible. It might have been an interesting idea with a better cast but that pilot was awful.

34 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 1:33:09pm

re: #1 abolitionist

I wonder how long the parents and some other relatives will be in denial about what happened.

If it were me, it would be forever. I’d be in permanent psych lock-down.

35 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 1:39:18pm

re: #21 DesertDenizen

I suppose I like to think that critical thinking skills and common sense are, well, common. At least in people whose jobs require them. I keep forgetting that half of all people are below average.

Not quite half. Some people are exactly average.

36 S'latch  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 1:39:39pm

“We just killed a cop. We blew up the marathon. And now we’re going to New York. Don’t [expletive] with us. But first we are going into this convenience store to buy some snacks. Wait here.”

37 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 1:39:55pm

In some really Out of this World news:

Kepler Telescope finds exo-solar system older than ours filled with earth sized planets

Today, in a scientific article published in Science magazine and through a NASA press conference, the Kepler team announced the discovery of a multiple planet system, composed of 5 Earth-sized and super-Earth planets orbiting a K-type star.The detection of these planets was indirect since Kepler astronomers observed the attenuation of the host star’s brightness due to the passage of a planet in the line of sight, and not the planets themselves. The authenticity of this multiple planet system was confirmed by a statistical analysis based on previous detections of multiple planets by Kepler.

38 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 1:40:36pm

re: #36 S’latch

“We just killed a cop. We blew up the marathon. And now we’re going to New York. Don’t [expletive] with us. But first we are going into this convenience store to buy some snacks. Wait here.”

“wait here, hold me beer and watch this…”

39 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 1:41:15pm

re: #37 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

In some really Out of this World news:

Kepler Telescope finds exo-solar system older than ours filled with earth sized planets

very cool.

40 steve_davis  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 1:45:55pm

re: #5 lawhawk

And that marks another one of the mystifying things that these two did before, during and after the bombing.

Why telegraph their intentions to the carjack victim, let alone let the guy live? If that was what they were going to do - why give cops a chance to catch up to them and get a better description on their whereabouts.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m thankful that this duo engaged in as many boneheaded and head-scratching acts as they did; it’s those actions that helped catch them and may have prevented further bloodshed - in NYC or en route.

I have a suspicion that after people do something where, at the time, it’s possible they may have killed hundreds of people, the brain probably goes into some kind of shock. The perpetrators become like Franklin trying to march across northern Canada with a 2-ton organ packed away on one of the sleds. I know there are actual, pure evil people in this world, but my guess would be that these guys’ brains just went into overload, as mine no doubt would if I’d just killed a school full of kids, for instance.

41 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 1:48:41pm

re: #32 klys

Gah. I’m already having an “I hate humanity” day thanks to ggt’s article on the principal in Michigan.

Glad to have been of service!

42 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 1:51:18pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

None of the deadly skittles and snapple combo.

43 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 1:52:55pm
And now we’re going to New York.

Well, it is on the way to Disney World.

44 darthstar  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 1:53:31pm

re: #20 Dr. Matt

Here is a screen capture of LGF from my PC…. notice the advert from Amazon.

Have corned-beef, will travel.

46 Lidane  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 1:55:41pm

My surprise, let me show you it:

He was also apparently interested in The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

47 darthstar  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 1:55:55pm
And now we’re going to New York.

Albany is probably breathing a big sigh of relief that they were stopped. Losers.

48 darthstar  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 1:57:12pm

re: #46 Lidane

My surprise, let me show you it:

He was also apparently interested in The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

Funniest tweet from Nate Silver I’ve read in a while.

49 engineer cat  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 1:57:22pm

“We just killed a cop. We blew up the marathon. And now we’re going to New York. Don’t [expletive] with us.”

some people get this out of their system by buying an electric guitar and playing heavy metal

50 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 1:57:28pm

re: #47 darthstar

Albany is probably breathing a big sigh of relief that they were stopped. Losers.

good thing that, otherwise the loons would be calling for us to attack Albania…

51 Bulworth  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 1:58:47pm

re: #50 Backwoods_Sleuth

Nah, gotta attack the country of Benghazi. //

52 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 2:03:57pm

Some more details about the bombers’ motivations and influences
Bomb suspect influenced by mysterious radical Islamic convert: ‘He just took his brain’

Under the tutelage of a friend known to the Tsarnaev family only as Misha, Tamerlan gave up boxing and stopped studying music, his family said. He began opposing the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. He turned to websites and literature claiming that the CIA was behind the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, and Jews controlled the world.
….
Based on preliminary written interviews with Dzhokar in his hospital bed, U.S. officials believe the brothers were motivated by their religious views. It has not been clear, however, what those views were.
…
Tamerlan took an interest in Infowars, a conspiracy theory website. Khozhugov said Tamerlan was interested in finding a copy of “The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion,” a piece of anti-Semitic literature claiming a Jewish plot to take over the world.

“He never said he hated America or he hated the Jews,” Khozhugov said. “But he was fairly aggressive toward the policies of the U.S. toward countries with Muslim populations. He disliked the wars.”

53 darthstar  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 2:04:31pm

re: #51 Bulworth

Nah, gotta attack the country of Benghazi. //

I hear the Benghazan Strip is lovely this time of year.

54 A Mom Anon  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 2:07:00pm

OT: Sigh. I just found a hunting arrow in my backyard. It was not there yesterday because we cut the grass and cleaned up our yard yesterday and it wasn’t there. It’s a nice arrow too, carbon shaft and it’s wrapped in real tree camo. It had to have come from the wingnut”compound” next door. So not only do I have to worry about guns I have to worry about fucking crossbows too.

You know, if they want us to move that badly, maybe they should make us a decent offer on our house. I’d move if the price was right. Seriously, WTF??

55 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 2:07:36pm

re: #46 Lidane

My surprise, let me show you it:

He was also apparently interested in The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

I thought it was kind of weird that the article posted earlier only mentioned Bush’s wars as motivation instead of Obama’s recent efforts in Muslim countries and the drone program. If he was reading infowars it’s a safe bet that he was also pissed about more contemporary developments but that never made it into the earlier article.

56 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 2:09:07pm

re: #54 A Mom Anon

OT: Sigh. I just found a hunting arrow in my backyard. It was not there yesterday because we cut the grass and cleaned up our yard yesterday and it wasn’t there. It’s a nice arrow too, carbon shaft and it’s wrapped in real tree camo. It had to have come from the wingnut”compound” next door. So not only do I have to worry about guns I have to worry about fucking crossbows too.

You know, if they want us to move that badly, maybe they should make us a decent offer on our house. I’d move if the price was right. Seriously, WTF??

Did you report this to the police?

57 darthstar  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 2:09:14pm

re: #54 A Mom Anon

OT: Sigh. I just found a hunting arrow in my backyard. It was not there yesterday because we cut the grass and cleaned up our yard yesterday and it wasn’t there. It’s a nice arrow too, carbon shaft and it’s wrapped in real tree camo. It had to have come from the wingnut”compound” next door. So not only do I have to worry about guns I have to worry about fucking crossbows too.

You know, if they want us to move that badly, maybe they should make us a decent offer on our house. I’d move if the price was right. Seriously, WTF??

Get yourself a Ted Nugent doll, stick the arrow in its chest, then go knock on their door and shout angrily, “OMYGOD!!! YOU KILLED TED!” (he’s fond of shooting people he doesn’t like at his shows with a bow)

58 CuriousLurker  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 2:10:34pm

re: #52 Killgore Trout

Some more details about the bombers’ motivations and influences
Bomb suspect influenced by mysterious radical Islamic convert: ‘He just took his brain’

Misha? Odd that a convert, especially if he was a hard-core type, would have a non-Muslim name (even if it was an alias).

59 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 2:11:39pm

re: #55 Killgore Trout

The reporting on stuff like this takes awhile to become accurate. At first, you’ve just got the idiot kneejerkers, doing stuff like posting links to random dudes in Pakistan that have nothing at all to do with the situation. Then, eventually, you get actual reporting, rather than just wild speculation. Well, you keep getting the wild speculation, too, but at least the good reporting becomes available.

Assuming Misha exists (actually, whether he does or not), I’m sure the cops and FBI are going over the brother’s email and internet records with a fine-toothed comb.

60 A Mom Anon  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 2:12:22pm

re: #56 Vicious Babushka

My husband won’t let me. He’s going over to talk to them later. I’ve had it with these asshats.

61 jaunte  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 2:13:07pm

re: #52 Killgore Trout

‘He just took his brain’

“…and there really wasn’t much there to begin with…”

62 engineer cat  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 2:14:14pm

Bomb suspect influenced by mysterious radical Islamic convert: ‘He just took his brain’

wasn’t this in a tv show six months ago?

63 makeitstop  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 2:14:37pm

re: #6 Lidane

The more I read about these guys, the dumber this whole thing gets.

It’s amazing that they didn’t blow themselves up when building their bombs, and a goddamn tragedy that they managed to actually make functional explosives.

Beavis and Butthead with weapons, pretty much.

64 abolitionist  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 2:15:43pm

re: #60 A Mom Anon

My husband won’t let me. He’s going over to talk to them later. I’ve had it with these asshats.

If he has a smart phone, suggest he review the Sound Record fns. Better yet, you could accompany him as a witness.

65 electrotek  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 2:18:43pm

I see fellow Muslims more upset at the backlash and refusing to place these two shitheads responsible for making the lives of normal Muslims miserable. WTF?

66 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 2:20:38pm
67 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 2:21:37pm

re: #66 Charles Johnson

False flag to end all false flags, obviously.

68 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 2:22:37pm

re: #6 Lidane

The more I read about these guys, the dumber this whole thing gets.

Like a really dark remake of “Night at the Roxbury”.

69 A Mom Anon  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 2:24:39pm

re: #64 abolitionist

Good idea, I’ll tell him. I’m not going over there, my husband has a better relationship with them then I do. He’s done charity motorcycle rides with the husband a couple of times. Someone needs to keep an eye on the teens over there, I have a feeling that’s where this came from.

70 RadicalModerate  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 2:24:50pm

re: #48 darthstar

Funniest tweet from Nate Silver I’ve read in a while.

When you consider the new revelations about Tamerlan, he really sounds like a typical poster over on 4chan’s /pol/ board. Really, the only difference is that he didn’t label himself as a white supremacist.

71 darthstar  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 2:26:34pm

re: #70 RadicalModerate

When you consider the new revelations about Tamerlan, he really sounds like a typical poster over on 4chan’s /pol/ board. Really, the only difference is that he didn’t label himself as a white supremacist.

Some things can be deduced from the evidence at hand. A fan of Alex Jones? Holy fuck.

72 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 2:28:11pm

re: #71 darthstar

Some things can be deduced from the evidence at hand. A fan of Alex Jones? Holy fuck.

littlegreenfootballs.com
/not surprised

73 electrotek  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 2:29:41pm

Can anyone link to normal Muslims that are outraged over these two brothers and their actions? All I see are fellow Muslims acting like victims instead of condemning these two asshats for what they have helped unleash. They have undermined 12 years of hard work by Muslims to dispel stereotypes and build bridges, but none seem to be too concerned about that.

74 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 2:30:16pm

re: #54 A Mom Anon

I feel your pain.
Some city people bought a farm down the road from mine. They think it’s great fun to come out on weekends to play with their big guns and exploding targets.

75 CuriousLurker  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 2:31:55pm

re: #73 electrotek

Can anyone link to normal Muslims that are outraged over these two brothers and their actions? All I see are fellow Muslims acting like victims instead of condemning these two asshats for what they have helped unleash. They have undermined 12 years of hard work by Muslims to dispel stereotypes and build bridges, but none seem to be too concerned about that.

WTF? Where are you looking? Google is your friend.

76 bratwurst  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 2:32:26pm

re: #73 electrotek

Can anyone link to normal Muslims that are outraged over these two brothers and their actions? All I see are fellow Muslims acting like victims instead of condemning these two asshats for what they have helped unleash. They have undermined 12 years of hard work by Muslims to dispel stereotypes and build bridges, but none seem to be too concerned about that.

You…um…seem to have an agenda here today.

77 wrenchwench  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 2:33:58pm

re: #73 electrotek

Can anyone link to normal Muslims that are outraged over these two brothers and their actions? All I see are fellow Muslims acting like victims instead of condemning these two asshats for what they have helped unleash. They have undermined 12 years of hard work by Muslims to dispel stereotypes and build bridges, but none seem to be too concerned about that.

Try here.

78 Lidane  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 2:34:05pm

re: #73 electrotek

31 comments in three years?

Go back to bed, Rip Van Winkle.

79 blueraven  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 2:34:34pm

re: #52 Killgore Trout

Some more details about the bombers’ motivations and influences
Bomb suspect influenced by mysterious radical Islamic convert: ‘He just took his brain’

I think I mentioned the possible influence of Alex Jones and his crowd…why yes, I did

And received a hearty…probably not relevant to the facts here

80 CuriousLurker  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 2:35:01pm

re: #76 bratwurst

You…um…seem to have an agenda here today.

People see WTF they want to see. It took me like 5 seconds to find plenty examples.

81 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 2:36:27pm

re: #80 CuriousLurker

People see WTF they want to see. It took me like 5 seconds to find plenty examples.

I saw the first whine & thought PDFTT and ignored it.

82 jaunte  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 2:37:15pm

re: #73 electrotek

Can anyone link to normal Muslims that are outraged over these two brothers and their actions?

Their uncle seemed pretty pissed.

83 abolitionist  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 2:37:29pm

re: #73 electrotek

Can anyone link to normal Muslims that are outraged over these two brothers and their actions? All I see are fellow Muslims acting like victims instead of condemning these two asshats for what they have helped unleash. They have undermined 12 years of hard work by Muslims to dispel stereotypes and build bridges, but none seem to be too concerned about that.

Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood condemns Boston blasts
Associated Press – Tue, Apr 16, 2013

CAIRO (AP) — Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood condemned the Boston Marathon bombings Tuesday, but a senior member of the group painted them as part of a conspiracy aimed at undermining Muslims’ moves toward democracy.

In a statement by the Brotherhood’s political arm, the Freedom and Justice party, the group said Islamic law, or Shariah, does not condone violence against civilians, and expressed condolences to the American people and families of the victims.

Oh, you said normal muslims. Nevermind. /

84 CuriousLurker  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 2:37:56pm

re: #81 William Barnett-Lewis

I saw the first whine & thought PDFTT and ignored it.

Yeah, the first “concern” comment was worded in such a way that I wasn’t 100% what meaning was intended. That’s been cleared up now.

85 electrotek  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 2:38:22pm

re: #76 bratwurst

I’m not talking about this site man, I mean elsewhere. I go on a number of forums where there are lots of Muslims and all I see from them is claiming a conspiracy or think he’s innocent or that the little shit is being treated unfairly. If you go on forums like MPACUK you will see just the similar rhetoric on there. Even on LoonWatch there are people on there with a sense of victimization who flat out refuse to pin these two brothers responsible for unleashing a pandora’s box.

86 engineer cat  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 2:38:35pm

re: #73 electrotek

Can anyone link to normal Muslims that are outraged over these two brothers and their actions? All I see are fellow Muslims acting like victims instead of condemning these two asshats for what they have helped unleash. They have undermined 12 years of hard work by Muslims to dispel stereotypes and build bridges, but none seem to be too concerned about that.

you could always start with their uncle, who denounced their actions and apologized for them the day that they were identified, and move on next to the muslim rebel groups back in chechnya, who quickly distanced themselves from the bombings and declared themselves to be peaceful

of course, you’d have to read obscure news pages like cnn, fox, and msnbc to know about these things…

87 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 2:38:39pm

STINKY!!!!!

88 wrenchwench  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 2:38:54pm

re: #84 CuriousLurker

Yeah, the first “concern” comment was worded in such a way that I wasn’t 100% what meaning was intended. That’s been cleared up now.

Nothing gets a troll to clarify like being ignored.

89 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 2:39:10pm

re: #85 electrotek

You were just provided with like five citations in a row.

90 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 2:39:13pm

bbl

91 erik_t  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 2:40:11pm

re: #73 electrotek

Can anyone link to normal Muslims that are outraged over these two brothers and their actions?

well
no
probably not

92 engineer cat  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 2:40:28pm

re: #85 electrotek

I’m not talking about this site man, I mean elsewhere. I go on a number of forums where there are lots of Muslims and all I see from them is claiming a conspiracy or think he’s innocent or that the little shit is being treated unfairly. If you go on forums like MPACUK you will see just the similar rhetoric on there. Even on LoonWatch there are people on there with a sense of victimization who flat out refuse to pin these two brothers responsible for unleashing a pandora’s box.

there are more muslims in the world than christians. i don’t think we’ll get a apologetic statement out of every single one of them

93 electrotek  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 2:41:01pm

I stumbled upon a Facebook group that is mostly Chechens and to my surprise I see these idiots claiming the little shit is innocent. I’ll have to link it to you guys when I get home.

94 RadicalModerate  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 2:41:05pm

re: #66 Charles Johnson

Alex Jones has since commented on the story linking him to the suspected Boston terrorists:

Alex Jones Downplays Connection To “Boston Bomber”

WASHINGTON — Alex Jones is not surprised that the media is reporting that Boston bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev was a fan of his Infowars website, he told BuzzFeed on Tuesday.

“It’s just standard,” Jones said. “Anyone you talk to is familiar with my show. When I go out in public, half the people I meet in this country and in other countries too say they listen to my show. The show is bigger than the mainstream media admits.”

Jones — whose site has peddled conspiracy theories about the Boston Marathon bombing, and suggested that Tsarnaev is innocent — conceded that Tsarnaev “may have actually been a listener.”

“He could be a listener,” Jones said. “It could be true. I’ve talked to the family and most of them are listeners. My show is anti-terrorism and my show exposes that most of the events we’ve seen have been provocateured.”

Yep. He thinks that they’re innocent listeners to his show, and are victims of a government conspiracy.

95 EPR-radar  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 2:41:19pm

re: #85 electrotek

I’m not talking about this site man, I mean elsewhere. I go on a number of forums where there are lots of Muslims and all I see from them is claiming a conspiracy or think he’s innocent or that the little shit is being treated unfairly. If you go on forums like MPACUK you will see just the similar rhetoric on there. Even on LoonWatch there are people on there with a sense of victimization who flat out refuse to pin these two brothers responsible for unleashing a pandora’s box.

So you go out of your way to find stupid/extremist comments from Muslims at other sites on the internet.

Is there a point here? The internet is a big place, and provides ample material for ‘guilt by association’ for any group on any issue.

96 wrenchwench  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 2:41:51pm

re: #85 electrotek

I’m not talking about this site man, I mean elsewhere. I go on a number of forums where there are lots of Muslims and all I see from them is claiming a conspiracy or think he’s innocent or that the little shit is being treated unfairly. If you go on forums like MPACUK you will see just the similar rhetoric on there. Even on LoonWatch there are people on there with a sense of victimization who flat out refuse to pin these two brothers responsible for unleashing a pandora’s box.

So this site doesn’t count, but you’ve found other sites where you only see one point of view. Yet you provide no link. Why?

97 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 2:41:55pm

re: #93 electrotek

Are you going to bother to look at what anyone has shown you, of moderate Muslims decrying this?

98 klys  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 2:42:10pm

re: #93 electrotek

Or you could not bother because we didn’t ask you to provide links to people being idiots in public.

99 electrotek  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 2:44:09pm

re: #97 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

I did look at them, and I know CuriousLurker is angry at these two as much as I am.

I just haven’t seen the level of angry by fellow Muslims (keep in mind I am one myself) directed solely towards the two brothers for making their lives miserable but instead continue to bash on the right-wing anti-Muslim pundits for merely exploiting it. They didn’t create the anti-Muslim hostility, but these two pricks not only contributed to it, but also strengthened the pundits for months or years to come. There is a tendency by many Muslims hesitant on criticizing their own because many of them would rather live in stupid conspiracies than to get their heads out of the sand. I know, I’m Pakistani, I’ve seen it first hand.

100 blueraven  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 2:44:18pm

re: #93 electrotek

I stumbled upon a Facebook group that is mostly Chechens and to my surprise I see these idiots claiming the little shit is innocent. I’ll have to link it to you guys when I get home.

Please, dont bother. Just go look at Alex Jones or some other conspiracy site and see who really did this. Then just go fuck off.

101 PT Barnum  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 2:44:32pm

re: #93 electrotek

I stumbled upon a Facebook group that is mostly Chechens and to my surprise I see these idiots claiming the little shit is innocent. I’ll have to link it to you guys when I get home.

Pisspoortroll says what?

102 CuriousLurker  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 2:44:38pm

re: #85 electrotek

I’m not talking about this site man, I mean elsewhere. I go on a number of forums where there are lots of Muslims and all I see from them is claiming a conspiracy or think he’s innocent or that the little shit is being treated unfairly. If you go on forums like MPACUK you will see just the similar rhetoric on there. Even on LoonWatch there are people on there with a sense of victimization who flat out refuse to pin these two brothers responsible for unleashing a pandora’s box.

Yeah, ‘cause it’s much more reasonable to spend time rooting around in freaking forums (which are soooo well known for being representative of normalcy), than it is to spend 5 seconds on Google searching for muslims condemn boston bombings

FFS *headdesk*

103 CuriousLurker  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 2:45:22pm

re: #93 electrotek

I stumbled upon a Facebook group that is mostly Chechens and to my surprise I see these idiots claiming the little shit is innocent. I’ll have to link it to you guys when I get home.

Well, there you go—all Chechens must feel the same then. //

104 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 2:45:38pm

re: #92 engineer cat

there are more muslims in the world than christians. i don’t think we’ll get a apologetic statement out of every single one of them

If I’m not mistaken, there are actually more Christians out there than Muslims.

Now I’d be willing to say there may be more Muslims than Roman Catholics, but Christians overall are still in the majority, worldwide.

I’ve often wondered where Buddhists would come in if the PRC counted religious adherents?

105 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 2:46:26pm

re: #99 electrotek

I did look at them, and I know CuriousLurker is angry at these two as much as I am.

I just haven’t seen the level of angry by fellow Muslims (keep in mind I am one myself) directed solely towards the two brothers for making their lives miserable but instead continue to bash on the right-wing anti-Muslim pundits for merely exploiting it. They didn’t create the anti-Muslim hostility, but these two pricks not only contributed to it, but also strengthened the pundits for months or years to come. There is a tendency by many Muslims hesitant on criticizing their own because many of them would rather live in stupid conspiracies than to get their heads out of the sand. I know, I’m Pakistani, I’ve seen it first hand.

But you were just provided with a bunch of links showing that.

Nobody debates that the Muslim world is chock full of conspiracy theories. I don’t see anyone at all moderate hesitating to criticize the brothers. Feel free to provide links, but again, you’ve been shown a bunch of links of Muslims showing love for Boston, outrage at the attacks, and you’re just ignoring them. Why?

106 darthstar  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 2:46:53pm

Anything we can do about these banner ads? I don’t mind if people see that I have LGF up in a tab, but bold red letters claiming “JESUS CHRIST IS LORD” is pretty fucking embarrassing.

107 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 2:47:23pm

re: #106 darthstar

Anything we can do about these banner ads? I don’t mind if people see that I have LGF up in a tab, but bold red letters claiming “JESUS CHRIST IS LORD” is pretty fucking embarrassing.

I want one that says JESUS CHRIST ARE LORD

108 darthstar  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 2:47:25pm

Corgi alert!

buzzfeed.com

109 PT Barnum  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 2:47:28pm

re: #99 electrotek

I did look at them, and I know CuriousLurker is angry at these two as much as I am.

I just haven’t seen the level of angry by fellow Muslims (keep in mind I am one myself) directed solely towards the two brothers for making their lives miserable but instead continue to bash on the right-wing anti-Muslim pundits for merely exploiting it. They didn’t create the anti-Muslim hostility, but these two pricks not only contributed to it, but also strengthened the pundits for months or years to come. There is a tendency by many Muslims hesitant on criticizing their own because many of them would rather live in stupid conspiracies than to get their heads out of the sand. I know, I’m Pakistani, I’ve seen it first hand.

The Right Wing does exactly the same thing rather than accept that the reality doesn’t match their beliefs. See Obama is coming after your [insert noun here]

110 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 2:47:54pm

re: #99 electrotek

(keep in mind I am one myself)

My bullshit alarm went off screaming.

This is just like someone posting a bunch of Holocaust denial, “Israel is racist apartheid” and “The Talmud Says” and then saying “But I am Jewish!”

111 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 2:48:40pm

re: #92 engineer cat

there are more muslims in the world than christians. i don’t think we’ll get a apologetic statement out of every single one of them

FWIW, that’s not true. According to Wikipedia (quoting the CIA’s World Factbook), 33% of the world’s population is Christian vs. 20% Muslim. Still, 20% of the world’s population is a very large number so your broader point stands.

112 stabby  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 2:49:06pm

This is fascinating, unfortunately the site is down under a DDOS attack, and while there’s a cache of the main page, there’s no cache of the article by itself… So here’s a the article pasted:

Bombing suspect denounced mosque speakers
Gene, April 22nd 2013, 9:17 pm


With all the depressing videos we’ve posted over the years of hate preachers speaking at mosques in the UK, there is something reassuring about this:

Tamerlan Tsarnaev, one of the brothers accused of bombing the Boston Marathon, angrily disrupted a January talk at a Cambridge [Massachusetts] mosque when a speaker compared the Prophet Mohammed and the peace activist Martin Luther King Jr., the second time in recent months that Tsarnaev’s radical theology collided with mainstream Muslim faith at a public religious talk.


In the days since the suspects were identified last week, a picture has emerged of 26-year-old Tamerlan Tsarnaev — the elder of the two brothers, who was killed Friday in the battle with police — as an increasingly militant immigrant, whom family members described as unhappy and mean.

…..

In disrupting the talk in January at the Islamic Society of Boston mosque in Cambridge, Tamerlan Tsarnaev’s shouted at a speaker: “You are a Kafir” – a nonbeliever, according to Yusufi Vali, a spokesman for the mosque. Tsarnaev went on to say the speaker was contaminating people’s minds, and accused him of being a hypocrite.


The congregation disagreed, according to Vali, and “shouted him out of the mosque” on Prospect Street.


Tsarnaev also interrupted a talk last November when a speaker said it was fine for people to celebrate holidays such as Thanksgiving and July 4, in the same way you celebrate the birthday of the Prophet. Tsarnaev challenged him and the two talked after service. “The brother was angry, but he left,’’ Vali said.

So whatever caused Tsarnaev’s turn toward violent and radical Islam, it apparently was not something he heard spoken publicly at that mosque.


(It is of course possible to dispute a comparison of the Prophet Mohammed to Martin Luther King, an advocate of non-violence. But clearly one point of the comparison was to reject the notion that Islam is an inherently violent and intolerant religion– which is hardly the worst message a mosque can send to worshipers.)


Muslim leaders in the Boston area have been outspoken in their disgust at the bombers:


… continued
113 stabby  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 2:49:24pm

…continued

At least one Boston cleric said he would refuse to perform funeral rites for a man accused of committing so much violence. The Quran, said Imam Talal Eid, says that anyone who has killed another human being is going to hell.


Eid, who is imam at the Boston Islamic Institute, said he had never met the Tsarnaev brothers but questioned media accounts that Tamerlan Tsarnaev had become a devout Muslim.


“A person who is devoted does not kill innocent people,” Eid said.


Yusufi Vali, executive director of the Islamic Society of Boston Cultural Center, the largest mosque in the Boston area, also rejected the Tsarnaev brothers.


“I don’t care who or what these criminals claim to be, but I can never recognize these criminals as part of my city or my faith community,” he said.


“All of us Bostonians want these criminals to be brought to justice immediately. I am infuriated at the criminals of these bombings for trying to rip our city apart. We will remain united and not let them change who we are as Bostonians.”

114 EPR-radar  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 2:50:18pm

re: #110 Vicious Babushka

My bullshit alarm went off screaming.

This is just like someone posting a bunch of Holocaust denial, “Israel is racist apartheid” and “The Talmud Says” and then saying “But I am Jewish!”

Agreed. Most members of minority groups learn the foolishness of expecting a proper/acceptable response from 100.00% of the members of their own group to any specific event rather early in life…

115 klys  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 2:50:26pm

re: #99 electrotek

I’m just curious how this tendency to stick their heads in the sand and pretend extremism and terror attacks don’t happen (as you are claiming) is any more a conspiracy theory than you asking for proof that ‘normal Muslims’ are decrying the attacks and then dismissing all provided results in favor of these ‘groups you’ve found on the Internet’.

116 CuriousLurker  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 2:51:24pm

re: #99 electrotek

I did look at them, and I know CuriousLurker is angry at these two as much as I am.

I just haven’t seen the level of angry by fellow Muslims (keep in mind I am one myself) directed solely towards the two brothers for making their lives miserable but instead continue to bash on the right-wing anti-Muslim pundits for merely exploiting it. They didn’t create the anti-Muslim hostility, but these two pricks not only contributed to it, but also strengthened the pundits for months or years to come. There is a tendency by many Muslims hesitant on criticizing their own because many of them would rather live in stupid conspiracies than to get their heads out of the sand. I know, I’m Pakistani, I’ve seen it first hand.

If you’re really Muslim then you know damned well that there are plenty of “normal” Muslims out there decrying this shit.

117 darthstar  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 2:52:28pm

Some of my best friends are Visigoths.

119 CuriousLurker  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 2:53:00pm

re: #114 EPR-radar

Agreed. Most members of minority groups learn the foolishness of expecting a proper/acceptable response from 100.00% of the members of their own group to any specific event rather early in life…

THIS. There are Muslim douchebags out there, imagine my surprise. //

120 CuriousLurker  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 2:54:15pm

I’m gonna step away from the keyboard and go back into lurk mode before I blow a gasket over this idiocy.

121 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 2:55:14pm

re: #119 CuriousLurker

THIS. There are Muslim douchebags out there, imagine my surprise. //

Well, it is true that in countries like Pakistan, there’s a very high level of belief in various weird conspiracy theories about Jews and such. That’s all very real. However, that doesn’t take away from the moderate Muslims in those countries, nor does it take away from the much more moderate Muslims in the US.

Also, 25% of Britons think the US faked the moon landing.

122 klys  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 2:55:33pm

re: #119 CuriousLurker

THIS. There are Muslim douchebags out there, imagine my surprise. //

They probably even occur in the same proportion as Christian douchebags.

Unfortunately, the Christian ones seem to end up with their own TV shows here. I haven’t quite figured that one out yet…

123 electrotek  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 2:55:39pm

Have you guys been on IslamicAwakening? Or Pakistani cricket sites?

Here’s one: pakpassion.net

So many idiots already claiming inside job or conspiracy, none of them have the cojones to condemn these two brothers because you know, as Muslims, we have to make 70 excuses for these two scumbags smh

124 stabby  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 2:56:33pm

re: #121 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

half of Americans think Bush did 9/11 and the other half think that Obama is a communist Islamist foreign radical (er n*****).

So approximate 110% of humanity is fucked.

125 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 2:56:34pm

re: #123 electrotek

Except for all the Muslims who aren’t making excuses, who you’ve been shown, who you refuse to acknowledge.

You live in Pakistan, right? You learned your English there?

126 klys  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 2:56:56pm

re: #121 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Well, it is true that in countries like Pakistan, there’s a very high level of belief in various weird conspiracy theories about Jews and such. That’s all very real. However, that doesn’t take away from the moderate Muslims in those countries, nor does it take away from the much more moderate Muslims in the US.

Also, 25% of Britons think the US faked the moon landing.

Hell, there’s some non-small percentage of Americans who think we faked the moon landing.

And then you realize that people who believe in conspiracy theories like that have a vote that’s worth just as much as yours and it’s very depressing.

127 AlexRogan  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 2:57:43pm

re: #73 electrotek

Three years and 35 posts.

Nothing fishy there…

128 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 2:58:05pm

re: #123 electrotek

Have you guys been on IslamicAwakening? Or Pakistani cricket sites?

Here’s one: pakpassion.net

So many idiots already claiming inside job or conspiracy, none of them have the cojones to condemn these two brothers because you know, as Muslims, we have to make 70 excuses for these two scumbags smh

Why don’t you walk on down to your local mosque and ask folks what they think about the Tsarnaev brothers, instead of whining here about stuff you read on Teh Internet?

Oh, because you are totally NOT A MUSLIM you’re just an asshole.

129 stabby  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 2:58:25pm

re: #123 electrotek

I remember one former Muslim from Pakistan telling me that he’d get different reactions depending on his attitude. If people thought he’d agree they’d celebrate 9/11, if he seemed critical they’d say that it was a conspiracy and that no Muslims were involved.

130 jaunte  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 2:59:29pm

18% of Americans believe the sun revolves around the earth; so far they have refused to apologize.

131 klys  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 2:59:35pm

re: #128 Vicious Babushka

Yeah, but we totally read Pakistani cricket sites all the time, because that’s where I go to get reasonable discussion of current events!

It’s Hate Humanity Day, I swear.

132 stabby  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 3:00:04pm

By the way, I was talking about people still in Pakistan, not Americans.

133 electrotek  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 3:02:09pm

re: #127 AlexRogan

I’m not an active poster, I lurk here more often.

I registered on here after Charles Johnson made a complete 180 and disavowed the counterjihadi movement.

134 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 3:02:32pm

re: #132 stabby

There’s a lot of Pakistani textbooks that simply omit the information about who the attackers were. Same for a lot of other places in the Middle East.

However, there’s also Muslims in Pakistan who acknowledge that it was Al Queda, just as there are Muslims in Pakistan working against the dominant extremist theology.

Gee, it’s almost like there are different kinds of Muslims!

135 electrotek  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 3:03:09pm

re: #125 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

I was there last summer in Karachi, it’s a complete shithole and Pakistanis are too busy acting like victims by the “kuffar” while slaughtering minority groups with no shame whatsoever.

If I could burn the Pakistani flag I would do so in a heartbeat

136 stabby  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 3:03:29pm

re: #134 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

That’s not it.

Nice try though.

137 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 3:03:43pm

re: #133 electrotek

That’s cool. Can you explain why you’re ignoring all the citations you’ve been given of Muslims condemning the attack? And whether you learned your English in Pakistan, or where?

138 CuriousLurker  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 3:04:00pm

re: #123 electrotek

Have you guys been on IslamicAwakening? Or Pakistani cricket sites?

Here’s one: pakpassion.net

So many idiots already claiming inside job or conspiracy, none of them have the cojones to condemn these two brothers because you know, as Muslims, we have to make 70 excuses for these two scumbags smh

So since you’ve been spending so much time on those forums, give us a link showing where you stood up and complained about what they’re saying, as opposed to coming here and concern trolling about it.

I’ll be waiting. *tap, tap, tap…*

139 EPR-radar  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 3:04:29pm

re: #131 klys

Yeah, but we totally read Pakistani cricket sites all the time, because that’s where I go to get reasonable discussion of current events!

It’s Hate Humanity Day, I swear.

It would be hard for the Pakistani cricket site comment threads to be worse than Free Republic or Yahoo forums on guns or American football.

140 stabby  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 3:04:50pm

re: #138 CuriousLurker

He’d be banned

141 wrenchwench  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 3:05:14pm

Oh, it’s a theme.

electrotek 11/25/2012 2:29:48 pm PST


What will gay conservative wingnuts say about this? I haven’t seen any of them comment about the disgusting Uganda overtures to criminalize homosexuality.

I wonder which gay conservative wingnut cricket sites were worth checking.

142 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 3:05:23pm

re: #135 electrotek

Dude, people know that Pakistan is teetering on failed state, and that extremist Islam is massively common there. Nobody is arguing with that. But why are you extrapolating from that to all Muslims in the world? You’ve got to realize that especially for those in the US, most Muslims we meet are moderate and don’t fit your stereotype.

143 electrotek  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 3:05:52pm

re: #137 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

I never ignored them at all, but very few of them are expressing total anger at the Tsarnaev brothers and their parents for fostering such hatred in them. I blame the mother for not finding a proper imam to guide Tamerlan and instead made him rely on Sheikh Google.

144 klys  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 3:06:03pm

re: #139 EPR-radar

It would be hard for the Pakistani cricket site comment threads to be worse than Free Republic or Yahoo forums on guns or American football.

Or hell, the comment threads on CNN.

Which I occasionally read.

Because I am a masochist.

But I really try to write all those forums off as sponges where the stupid, masochistic, and trolls can gather and not assume they are a representative sample of normal humanity. I hate humanity less that way.

145 electrotek  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 3:06:58pm

re: #142 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

The bozos who think music is haram and refuse to condemn sectarian violence against Shi’as on MuslimMatters.org sure don’t fit the idea of a “moderate” Muslim, do they?

146 engineer cat  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 3:07:17pm

re: #139 EPR-radar

It would be hard for the Pakistani cricket site comment threads to be worse than Free Republic or Yahoo forums on guns or American football.

a buddy of mine from pune india told me a story about how proud he was to see pakistani fans and indian fans united in admiration one day when witnessing one of the great cricket plays of all times

for a few minutes it didn’t matter whether the player was indian or pakistani

147 electrotek  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 3:08:01pm

re: #138 CuriousLurker

I was banned on IslamicAwakening a long time ago and never bothered re-registering. They really don’t like anyone that isn’t a Salafi Sunni, and they’ll treat you worse if you’re a Shi’a.

148 EPR-radar  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 3:08:24pm

re: #144 klys

Or hell, the comment threads on CNN.

Which I occasionally read.

Because I am a masochist.

But I really try to write all those forums off as sponges where the stupid, masochistic, and trolls can gather and not assume they are a representative sample of normal humanity. I hate humanity less that way.

That what gets me about this kind of trolling:

“Hey guys, I just saw a giant turd on the internet. Let me tell you all about it + guilt by association”.

It seem predicated on the notion that giant turds on the internet are somehow rare or unusual.

149 engineer cat  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 3:08:28pm

re: #143 electrotek

I never ignored them at all, but very few of them are expressing total anger at the Tsarnaev brothers and their parents for fostering such hatred in them. I blame the mother for not finding a proper imam to guide Tamerlan and instead made him rely on Sheikh Google.

well, you only have a zillion and a half more websites to check out before you are done getting a representative sample of the intertubes

let us know what you find then

150 Lidane  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 3:08:40pm

re: #138 CuriousLurker

Eh. Don’t bother. I doubt they’ll be around long enough for it to matter.

Obvious troll is obvious.

151 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 3:08:44pm

re: #143 electrotek

I never ignored them at all, but very few of them are expressing total anger at the Tsarnaev brothers and their parents for fostering such hatred in them. I blame the mother for not finding a proper imam to guide Tamerlan and instead made him rely on Sheikh Google.

I have no idea what you mean by ‘total anger’. I just read a lot of them, and they’re all extremely condemnatory of them. I think you might be blinded by anger at the moment. And again, did you learn your English in Pakistan?

152 stabby  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 3:08:56pm

I tried arguing on the blog of some radical pakistani.

He responded to most arguments re-editing my comments and censoring them.

Any mention of the mistreatment of minority groups in Pakistan - gone.

153 Dr. Matt  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 3:09:04pm

re: #93 electrotek

I stumbled upon a Facebook group that is mostly Chechens and to my surprise I see these idiots claiming the little shit is innocent. I’ll have to link it to you guys when I get home.

Alex Jones and his fellow far right radicals thinks he’s innocent too. Where’s your fake outrage over them?

P.S. Eat a bag of dicks.

154 electrotek  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 3:09:32pm

re: #153 Dr. Matt

I expect better from fellow Muslims, that’s why.

155 darthstar  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 3:09:52pm

I was a big fan of The Knack until I started worrying about Sharona law.

156 klys  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 3:10:19pm

re: #148 EPR-radar

That what gets me about this kind of trolling:

“Hey guys, I just saw a giant turd on the internet. Let me tell you all about it guilt by association”.

It seem predicated on the notion that giant turds on the internet are somehow rare or unusual.

There are so few places like this on the net, where there is in-depth and unique and insightful commentary that is moderated and has a community that grows out of it. Which is what makes it so awesome.

But it’s so completely atypical of the normal Internet discussion board experience.

157 stabby  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 3:10:49pm

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158 EPR-radar  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 3:10:53pm

re: #154 electrotek

I expect better from fellow Muslims, that’s why.

If you’re on the level, you must surely appreciate the stupidity of hoping for 100% correct reactions from every Muslim on the planet.

159 darthstar  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 3:11:28pm

re: #155 darthstar

I was a big fan of The Knack until I started worrying about Sharona law.

For those under 40

Youtube Video
160 CuriousLurker  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 3:11:59pm

re: #143 electrotek

I never ignored them at all, but very few of them are expressing total anger at the Tsarnaev brothers and their parents for fostering such hatred in them. I blame the mother for not finding a proper imam to guide Tamerlan and instead made him rely on Sheikh Google.

Now it’s the parents’ fault, especially the mom’s. Tamrlan was the instigator and he was a grown fucking man—how is it his mother’s fault? Do you blame the parents of other mass murders & terrorists for their actions, or is that reserved for Muslims?

I’ll also be waiting for you to post link to the article showing where the parents taught hatred to the brothers. *tap, tap, tap…*

161 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 3:12:45pm

re: #158 EPR-radar

If you’re on the level, you must surely appreciate the stupidity of hoping for 100% correct reactions from every Muslim on the planet.

It’s fine to acknowledge that stupidly high numbers of Muslims in the Middle East believe that it was someone other than Al Queda that attacked the US on 9/11. It’s fine to point out that Jewish conspiracy theories are worryingly high even among Muslims in Britain. But it’s just nutty to pretend that there aren’t millions of moderate Muslims who are expressing outrage at this attack and condemning the bombers in the strongest terms.

162 ProBosniaLiberal  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 3:13:06pm

I should note that, I am anti-Conspiracy Theory in every regard. The only incident in recent time that I think deserves another look is the sinking of the MV Estonia. Largely because Sweden later admitted they had been using it to smuggle shit out of the Former Soviet Union the 2 weeks before it foundered.

Kinda hard to believe Sweden when they then say they weren’t that particular week.

163 CuriousLurker  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 3:13:29pm

re: #147 electrotek

I was banned on IslamicAwakening a long time ago and never bothered re-registering. They really don’t like anyone that isn’t a Salafi Sunni, and they’ll treat you worse if you’re a Shi’a.

Oh, so you were expecting a non-douchebag reaction form freaking Salafis?

The stupid, it burns.

164 Dr. Matt  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 3:13:41pm

re: #159 darthstar

For those under 40

[Embedded content]

Brings back old memories. My high school band use to cover this song.

165 engineer cat  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 3:14:03pm

Ancient Europeans mysteriously vanished 4,500 years ago

rather startling news for anybody interested in the prehistory of europe

166 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 3:14:13pm

*Randomly throws red flags*

167 klys  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 3:14:26pm

re: #160 CuriousLurker

Photo moment of zen in CL’s honor, since I suspect this particular troll is especially obnoxious for you: Zion National Park.

168 engineer cat  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 3:14:40pm

re: #157 stabby

changeup Image: I_57bd41_203414.jpg

no can see

169 darthstar  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 3:14:49pm

By the way, I learned something important this weekend. If you’re going to sell 8,000 castrated warriors and expect to get your own dragon for it, be careful not to repeatedly call the Targaryan woman you’re doing business with a ‘bitch’…it never turns out well for you.

170 darthstar  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 3:15:34pm

re: #164 Dr. Matt

Brings back old memories. My high school use to cover this song.

The first post gave me the ear worm. The follow up was to infect as many other people as possible.

171 engineer cat  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 3:16:16pm

re: #169 darthstar

By the way, I learned something important this weekend. If you’re going to sell 8,000 castrated warriors and expect to get your own dragon for it, be careful not to repeatedly call the Targaryan woman you’re doing business with a ‘bitch’…it never turns out well for you.

i’m wondering how she is gonna feed 8 thousand, count them, thousand, buff-ass warriors

172 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 3:17:33pm

re: #165 engineer cat

Ancient Europeans mysteriously vanished 4,500 years ago

rather startling news for anybody interested in the prehistory of europe

Reminds me of the Kurgan hypothesis. The timeframe is close, 3rd Millenium BCE.

And no, not this Kurgan.

Image: kurgan8.jpg

173 darthstar  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 3:18:04pm

re: #171 engineer cat

i’m wondering how she is gonna feed 8 thousand, count them, thousand, buff-ass warriors

I would have loved to be an extra in that scene…I would have been the warrior with a slight belly and an insulated camel-back over my shoulders for hydration.

174 stabby  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 3:18:47pm

re: #168 engineer cat

Yeah.. just noticed. And Imgur isn’t cooperating either.
Was cute pic of hamster eating a potato chip

175 darthstar  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 3:19:03pm

re: #165 engineer dog

Ancient Europeans mysteriously vanished 4,500 years ago

rather startling news for anybody interested in the prehistory of europe

He looks like he’s dead…not all that mysterious at all.

176 GeneJockey  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 3:19:07pm

re: #165 engineer cat

Ancient Europeans mysteriously vanished 4,500 years ago

rather startling news for anybody interested in the prehistory of europe

Aw, hell. You know Creationists will claim this proves Noah’s Ark.

177 Lidane  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 3:19:23pm

More entertaining than the newest troll:

Youtube Video
178 darthstar  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 3:20:14pm

re: #176 GeneJockey

Aw, hell. You know Creationists will claim this proves Noah’s Ark.

That’s right…the flood took ‘em out. Whew…for a second there I thought I was going to have to think.

179 efuseakay  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 3:20:30pm

re: #93 electrotek

I stumbled upon a Facebook group that is mostly Chechens and to my surprise I see these idiots claiming the little shit is innocent. I’ll have to link it to you guys when I get home.

Yeah. And a bunch of white folk are claiming this is a conspiracy too. So? You were given examples if Muslims condemning these kids. Now get over it.

180 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 3:21:10pm

re: #177 Lidane

He really might not be a troll. He actually might be a Pakistani Muslim who is angry at the extremism that surrounds him there, and is just terrible at listening. I mean, really terrible.

181 engineer cat  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 3:21:31pm

re: #172 Dr Lizardo

Reminds me of the Kurgan hypothesis. The timeframe is close, 3rd Millenium BCE.

And no, not this Kurgan.

Image: kurgan8.jpg

i think not close enuf to the kurgans, tho, who should clock in at 4000 bc, whereas this is estimated at 2000 to 3000 bc

182 darthstar  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 3:21:49pm

Dear god…that Elvis Ricin guy…was a shitty Elvis impersonator.

Image: NA-BW007_RICIN4_G_20130418184935.jpg

(then again, aren’t most Elvis impersonators)

183 stabby  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 3:21:50pm

kk, though maybe turn down your speakers

Youtube Video
184 GeneJockey  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 3:23:48pm

re: #171 engineer cat

i’m wondering how she is gonna feed 8 thousand, count them, thousand, buff-ass warriors

Well, they DID just sack Astapor.

185 EPR-radar  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 3:24:17pm

re: #180 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

He really might not be a troll. He actually might be a Pakistani Muslim who is angry at the extremism that surrounds him there, and is just terrible at listening. I mean, really terrible.

Interesting point. It might be hard for someone in that position to appreciate how moderation can be legitimately representative of most Muslims in the developed world.

186 stabby  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 3:24:28pm

That “internet is for porn” song totally missed that the other purpose of high tech is to let us watch cute animals.

187 klys  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 3:25:12pm

re: #186 stabby

That “internet is for porn” song totally missed that the other purpose of high tech is to let us watch cute animals.

It is reality that cats rule the Internet.

(Which is as it should be.)

188 lawhawk  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 3:25:19pm

sniff sniff…

189 stabby  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 3:26:24pm

Everyone should watch that last one for the feet thing. Can’t be explained.

190 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 3:26:37pm

re: #176 GeneJockey

Aw, hell. You know Creationists will claim this proves Noah’s Ark.

THE CHILDREN OF CAIN!!11!!

191 CuriousLurker  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 3:26:50pm

re: #154 electrotek

I expect better from fellow Muslims, that’s why.

Really? I just checked your profile for your recent comments (2013-02-22 through 2013-04-23) and found no condemnation of the Boston bombings. Odd that you demand of others what you fail to do yourself.

You don’t like how things are? How about you start changing things by being a good example.

192 darthstar  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 3:26:56pm

re: #186 stabby

That “internet is for porn” song totally missed that the other purpose of high tech is to let us watch cute animals.

See? Now we’re talking about important things.

193 darthstar  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 3:27:28pm

re: #190 Vicious Babushka

The children of Cain will have to be patient. Daddy’s pitching against the Diamondbacks tonight.

194 abolitionist  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 3:30:05pm

re: #189 stabby

Everyone should watch that last one for the feet thing. Can’t be explained.

Looked like half of his body was dedicated to eating. (Which is appropriate.)

195 CuriousLurker  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 3:31:51pm

re: #180 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

He really might not be a troll. He actually might be a Pakistani Muslim who is angry at the extremism that surrounds him there, and is just terrible at listening. I mean, really terrible.

And really good at having four eyes for others and being blind to himself.

196 jaunte  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 3:41:18pm

Gone so soon?

197 wrenchwench  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 3:42:16pm

re: #191 CuriousLurker

Really? I just checked your profile for your recent comments (2013-02-22 through 2013-04-23) and found no condemnation of the Boston bombings. Odd that you demand of others what you fail to do yourself.

You don’t like how things are? How about you start changing things by being a good example.

I believe you have meanied another one right out of here. You and your mean old factual observations.

198 EPR-radar  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 3:43:08pm

re: #191 CuriousLurker

Really? I just checked your profile for your recent comments (2013-02-22 through 2013-04-23) and found no condemnation of the Boston bombings. Odd that you demand of others what you fail to do yourself.

You don’t like how things are? How about you start changing things by being a good example.

Pointing out differences between what is preached and what is practiced is always useful.

However, this business about needing to have moderate Muslims provide vocal denunciations of every despicable terrorist act by Islamic extremists is troubling.

I understand the political necessity of doing so, but at the same time, it seems to essentially be an insult to require this of civilized citizens and organizations.

Ordinarily, it is assumed that civilized people do not approve of terrorism, piracy, random acts of violence etc.

199 jaunte  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 3:43:10pm

Never met a Pakistani named Bubba before.

200 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 3:44:14pm

re: #198 EPR-radar

Most moderate Muslims would also be targets of Al Queda, so condemning it is a bit moot. “Yes, we condemn the people that would like to kill us. Sheesh.”

201 CuriousLurker  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 3:46:02pm

re: #197 wrenchwench

I believe you have meanied another one right out of here. You and your mean old factual observations.

Methinks it’s time for a fresh pot of coffee and warm, fuzzy kitty hug. That combo usually sets the world right and lowers my blood pressure, heh.

202 Lidane  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 3:47:08pm

re: #201 CuriousLurker

Methinks it’s time for a fresh pot of coffee and warm, fuzzy kitty hug. That combo usually sets the world right and lowers my blood pressure, heh.

Buying shoes helps too. Yay sales!

203 CuriousLurker  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 3:47:27pm

re: #198 EPR-radar

Yeah, I really & truly wish we didn’t feel the need to do it, but if we don’t, then the Pamela Gellers of the world control the narrative.

204 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 3:47:29pm

re: #199 jaunte

Never met a Pakistani named Bubba before.

Bubba Ganoush—played cricket for the Georgia Bulldogs in the 80’s.

205 EPR-radar  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 3:47:44pm

re: #200 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Most moderate Muslims would also be targets of Al Queda, so condemning it is a bit moot. “Yes, we condemn the people that would like to kill us. Sheesh.”

What the US wingnuts refuse to see is that moderate Muslims are much more of a threat to Al-Qaeda and its ilk than the US/West. The US/West is a faceless enemy that can aid recruitment by its actions.

In contrast, the very idea of moderate Islam is an existential threat to Al-Qaeda.

206 CuriousLurker  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 3:48:02pm

re: #199 jaunte

Never met a Pakistani named Bubba before.

LOL, me neither!

207 Lidane  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 3:48:26pm

re: #199 jaunte

Never met a Pakistani named Bubba before.

Never met a Bubba from Pakistan, but I’m pretty sure I’ve talked to a few in India when looking for tech support.

208 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 3:51:52pm

re: #117 darthstar

Some of my best friends are Visigoths.

Some of mine are Invisigoths. But I never see them.

209 thedopefishlives  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 3:53:43pm

re: #207 Lidane

Never met a Bubba from Pakistan, but I’m pretty sure I’ve talked to a few in India when looking for tech support.

The fun part is, I work in IT and I have plenty of experience with Indian tech workers. I can handle the Indian guys, but getting an American customer service rep kinda throws me for a loop.

Evening Lizardim from the bizarrely warm and sunny wild north country. It looks like winter has finally gasped his last, and not a moment too soon, either.

210 blueraven  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 3:55:47pm

re: #123 electrotek

Have you guys been on IslamicAwakening? Or Pakistani cricket sites?

Here’s one: pakpassion.net

So many idiots already claiming inside job or conspiracy, none of them have the cojones to condemn these two brothers because you know, as Muslims, we have to make 70 excuses for these two scumbags smh

I have read through some of the posts and I dont see anyone claiming conspiracy or making excuses. They seem pretty “normal” to me.
Can you quote some of the ones you are talking about?

211 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 3:56:34pm

re: #209 thedopefishlives

The fun part is, I work in IT and I have plenty of experience with Indian tech workers. I can handle the Indian guys, but getting an American customer service rep kinda throws me for a loop.

Evening Lizardim from the bizarrely warm and sunny wild north country. It looks like winter has finally gasped his last, and not a moment too soon, either.

Ten years ago, I would guess that at least half the workers in the IT departments where I worked, were Indian or Asian.

Now, out of about 200, there are 5 women and 1 African-American, and all the rest are white American males.

This is a tech call center BTW.

212 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 3:57:47pm

re: #211 Vicious Babushka

Ten years ago, I would guess that at least half the workers in the IT departments where I worked, were Indian or Asian.

Now, out of about 200, there are 5 women and 1 African-American, and all the rest are white American males.

This is a tech call center BTW.

Oh, and a couple of French-speaking Canadians to handle calls from Quebec.

213 darthstar  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 3:58:01pm

Okay…time to go home, run & feed the dogs, and get ready for a baseball game.

Have fun everyone, and play nice, for fuck’s sake.

214 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 3:58:12pm

re: #210 blueraven

Actually, yeah, what a minute. It’s got a lot of really reasonable commentary on it. And acknowledgement the older brother seems to have turned towards radical Islam.

CNN interviewed a local mosque they visited, and the elder brother (Tamerlan) converted to Islam and had a history of bursting out with radical viewpoints during prayers and speeches. They asked him to leave the Mosque but he still kept coming.

So, okay, just lying, I guess, electrotek?

215 thedopefishlives  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 3:58:30pm

re: #211 Vicious Babushka

Ten years ago, I would guess that at least half the workers in the IT departments where I worked, were Indian or Asian.

Now, out of about 200, there are 5 women and 1 African-American, and all the rest are white American males.

This is a tech call center BTW.

The IT department at my current client is probably about 1/2 Indian, but that’s because they do a _lot_ of subcontracting and Indian tech workers abound in Minnesota. We bring over a lot of Indians from India to fill our booming tech sector. However, my consulting company’s employees are all white Americans.

216 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 4:04:04pm

The most I see is people denying that he was a real jihadi. And that rings true, even if this mysterious “misha” turns out actually to be a real person, Tamerlane radicalized so quickly he probably had all sorts of contradictory stuff going on. That’s kind of another jihadi stereotype, though, especially with self-radicalized guys who have all the zeal but none of the piety.

Anyway, that message board is actually gratifying. There’s definitely a few conspiracy theorist dudes there, but they’re getting pushback, including from fellow Pakistanis.

for some people on this thread it wouldn’t be enough if the arrested brother can admit to the attack, and even confirm his motives.

They will look to absolve them of any blame through a series of elaborate dreamt up stories, and somehow pin the blame on whoever is most ‘convenient’ to them.

217 stabby  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 4:05:14pm

My God, I just watched a mother put a miniature dog into a little pink purse… she pretty much picked the poor thing up by the leash.

Also I had to ctrl-x this then paste it again because she walked into this Subway right behind me. … she CLOSED the bag too, so that she wouldn’t be seen taking a dog into a restaurant.

218 stabby  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 4:08:01pm

re: #216 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

The 9/11 bombers didn’t act that pious. They’re so sure that they’re going to heaven that they’re not worrying about sinning.

Mohammad, giving a speech to his soldiers said that he was sure that every one of them who dies in battle will go to heaven, even though he wasn’t sure that HE was.

219 engineer cat  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 4:12:58pm

Tamerlane

a pretty name, but the real tamerlane of history was an unusually vicious bastard, so bad juju perhaps to name your children with

Holla, ye pamper’d jades of Asia! What, can ye draw but twenty miles a-day?

220 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 4:13:37pm

The City of Los Angeles settles with the two women the LAPD shot at during the Dorner Manhunt.

The $4.2 million will be split between the two women “any way they want,” Trutanich said.

The shooting happened Feb. 7 about 5 a.m. as the pair was delivering newspapers in their Toyota Tacoma pickup truck in the 19500 block of Redbeam Avenue in the Torrance area. Earlier in the day, two Riverside officers were ambushed in their police car, and authorities were on the hunt for Dorner and his Nissan Titan.

The City got off light, those trigger happy cops shot a 71 year old woman twice in the back.

221 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 4:13:58pm

re: #218 stabby

Well, there’s obviously a huge difference between radicals from Saudi Arabia who grew up there, and what motivates an immigrant in the US who turns to radical Islam. Conflating them really doesn’t get us anywhere.

222 EPR-radar  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 4:16:01pm

re: #219 engineer cat

Tamerlane

a pretty name, but the real tamerlane of history was an unusually vicious bastard, so bad juju perhaps to name your children with

Holla, ye pamper’d jades of Asia! What, can ye draw but twenty miles a-day?

Tamerlane is the ‘mountain of skulls’ guy, IIRC.

223 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 4:16:05pm

Speaking of Pakistan…

QUETTA: At least four people were killed and more than thirty others injured in a powerful explosion in Nichari road area of Quetta, while a bomb explosion in Karachi has killed two people and injured several others.

224 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 4:16:17pm

sre: #211 Vicious Babushka

Ten years ago, I would guess that at least half the workers in the IT departments where I worked, were Indian or Asian.

Now, out of about 200, there are 5 women and 1 African-American, and all the rest are white American males.

This is a tech call center BTW.

In the late 90s, I worked at a call center in Hollywood. I was the only white dude there.

On day one, our trainer was addressing the class. As I recall, he said, “Now some y’all been unemployed for awhile. But it’s all about hard work - can’t be hearing how ‘The Man is keeping you down’.”

At which point, everyone turned and looked right at me. To which I replied to the trainer (a nice fellow- he reminded me of the character actor Julius Harris), “Well, there goes my cover.”

I gained some cred from that gag. A self-deprecating sense of humor always wins the day.

225 CuriousLurker  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 4:16:36pm

re: #128 Vicious Babushka

Why don’t you walk on down to your local mosque and ask folks what they think about the Tsarnaev brothers, instead of whining here about stuff you read on Teh Internet?

Oh, because you are totally NOT A MUSLIM you’re just an asshole.

Now that the vein in my forehead has stopped throbbing long enough for me to think clearly, I’m beginning to think you might be onto something.

Over the past several days one of the recurring themes I’ve been seeing in my Google alerts about Islamophobes is them saying that Muslims are playing the victim instead of expressing sorrow & horror over what happened.

Coincidence? Maybe, maybe not, but hearing one of their talking points coming from someone who’s supposed to be Muslim sure does make my spidey sense tingle.

226 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 4:18:00pm

I found a link to the AP phishing email…

227 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 4:18:33pm

Rush Limbaugh: Boston bombing suspects influenced by “liberal elite intellectual thought”

LIMBAUGH: They do. They hang around people that don’t like America, they get inspired or influenced by it somehow, and it’s no wonder. Look, folks, Boston’s a hubbub of liberal elite intellectual thought, all the universities there. And if you end up around the wrong people long enough and you’re young enough and impressionable enough, then that kind of thing can happen. It is an interesting point about the difference between liberals and conservatives. Liberals will tell you what’s wrong with the country from the founding. Conservatives will say what’s wrong with the country because of liberals, while telling you what’s great about the country — if the liberals would move out of the way.

228 GeneJockey  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 4:18:34pm

re: #219 engineer cat

Bear Archery called their top of the line target recurves ‘Tamerlane’ back in the 1960s. Presumably for the archery skills, rather than the brutality.

229 engineer cat  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 4:18:47pm

re: #215 thedopefishlives

The IT department at my current client is probably about 1/2 Indian, but that’s because they do a _lot_ of subcontracting and Indian tech workers abound in Minnesota. We bring over a lot of Indians from India to fill our booming tech sector. However, my consulting company’s employees are all white Americans.

we have a lot of contractors direct from the subcontinent doing sw dev here

230 blueraven  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 4:18:52pm

re: #216 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

The most I see is people denying that he was a real jihadi. And that rings true, even if this mysterious “misha” turns out actually to be a real person, Tamerlane radicalized so quickly he probably had all sorts of contradictory stuff going on. That’s kind of another jihadi stereotype, though, especially with self-radicalized guys who have all the zeal but none of the piety.

Anyway, that message board is actually gratifying. There’s definitely a few conspiracy theorist dudes there, but they’re getting pushback, including from fellow Pakistanis.

Yes, definitely not a real Kooky conspiracy or apologist forum. Fairly diverse group with what appears to be respectful back and forth for the most part. At least that is what I have observed so far.

231 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 4:19:22pm

re: #225 CuriousLurker

Bow that the vein in my forehead has stopped throbbing long enough for me to think clearly, I’m beginning to think you might be onto something.

Over the past several days, one of the recurring themes I’ve been seeing in my Google alerts about Islamophobes is them saying that Muslims are playing the victim instead of expressing sorrow & horror over what happened.

Coincidence? Maybe, maybe not, but hearing one of their talking points coming form someone who’s supposed to be Muslim sure does make my spidey sense tingle.

One thing I remember from being at Free Republic, is all the anti-Semites who would begin their hate screeds by saying “By the way I am totally Chewish…”

232 thedopefishlives  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 4:20:24pm

re: #227 The Ghost of a Flea

Rush Limbaugh: Boston bombing suspects influenced by “liberal elite intellectual thought”

If asked, I could’ve told you this is what the pompous windbag would say. He needs a new schtick. Like, I don’t know, learning how not to be a total douchecanoe.

233 dragonath  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 4:21:05pm

re: #222 EPR-radar

Tamerlane is the ‘mountain of skulls’ guy, IIRC.

Look ye, lad; Captain Ahab did not name himself…

234 bratwurst  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 4:23:32pm

We are to the point where it is not a question of whether Eric Bolling said something patently offensive, but what was the MOST patently offensive thing he said on any given day:

Fox’s Bolling: Rep. Ellison Is “The Muslim Apologist In Congress” And “Very Dangerous”

235 CuriousLurker  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 4:24:19pm

re: #231 Vicious Babushka

One thing I remember from being at Free Republic, is all the anti-Semites who would begin their hate screeds by saying “By the way I am totally Chewish…”

Too bad The Ghost of a Flea and/or Interesting Times weren’t here for the dust-up. One of them could’ve asked him a question about something obscure (to us) that only a Desi would be able to answer.

236 stabby  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 4:25:02pm

re: #221 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Well, there’s obviously a huge difference between radicals from Saudi Arabia who grew up there, and what motivates an immigrant in the US who turns to radical Islam. Conflating them really doesn’t get us anywhere.

I don’t think the thought process of terrorists is deep. It’s “them bad, us good, God wants us to kill, will reward us” Who cares what language they think it in?

237 stabby  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 4:27:26pm

Meh, one problem with religious thinking is that it’s simple as hell.

We may not have full artificial intelligence soon, but it would be damn easy to build a computer simulation of a religious fanatic. You could fit everything they know on a micro SD card.

238 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 4:27:48pm

re: #236 stabby

I don’t think the thought process of terrorists is deep. It’s “them bad, us good, God wants us to kill, will reward us” Who cares what language they think it in?

Oh for fuck’s sake. Of course it fucking matters if you want to catch and stop them. And of course their thought process us not just that simple. Playing stupid has the side effect of making you look goddamn stupid, you know.

239 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 4:29:31pm

re: #237 stabby

Why do you believe this? A goddamn cursory look at religious fanatics shows that’s not true. Some religious fanatics give people tons of enemas and invent cornflakes. Some make badass soaps. Some devote their lives to annoying others. Some devote their lives to killing others. Some do amazing work in physics.

Isaac Newton was definitely a religious fanatic, and you think his thought process was simple?

240 EPR-radar  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 4:30:49pm

re: #236 stabby

I don’t think the thought process of terrorists is deep. It’s “them bad, us good, God wants us to kill, will reward us” Who cares what language they think it in?

So the same desk at the FBI can handle threats from both Al Qaeda and the Army of God? No relevant differences that might affect how to best head off the threats posed by each?

You sound like GW Bush, at times.

241 dragonath  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 4:30:52pm

re: #239 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Graham Crackers!

242 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 4:32:24pm

re: #237 stabby

And I’m sure your thought processes are so complex…

Sheesh. First one troll then another.

243 stabby  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 4:32:47pm

Meh, you’re a terrorist when you’ve decided that you don’t give a shit about the lives of some people and are going to kill them - and if you’re religious then it’s because God wants you to do this.

That’s it. It simplifies down like some sort of mathematical theorem. It’s no more complicated than the choices and perceptions that make it so., There’s nothing magical about a decision and a belief that makes it possible to detect or counter. It just is.

244 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 4:32:49pm

re: #241 dragonath

A fire, a mist, a planet, a crystal & a cell; a jellyfish, a dinosaur, caves where cavemen dwell! Then, a sense for work-love-song-art-law-play-beauty, a face turned up from the sod! Sure, it’s constructive-evolution, guided by One, ever-recreating God! One almighty, all-embracing, ever-loving, everevolving Eternal Father, guiding all mankind up from dust, driven by hungers, half-true hate, up by hard work, full-truth, great love, song speech-&-Profitsharing State, up into the Kingdom. the dictatorship of God’s law uniting All-One-God-Faith; “Listen Children Eternal Father Eternal One!” Exceptions? None! Thank God we don’t descend down from perfect Adam & Eve to sinful sinner. Brother’s Keeper, divided slave! United-brave, from dust we ascend up! Thank God for that! Our Brother’s Teacher of the Moral ABC, Hillel taught Jesus to unite all mankind tree: 1st: perfect thyself! 2nd; work brave! 3rd: unite to help leach all, every slave, the Moral ABC, lightning1ike 6 billion strong g we’re All-One, as astronomer Israel teaches ’ Listen Children Eternal Father Eternal One!’ Exceptions? None!

245 thedopefishlives  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 4:33:21pm

re: #242 William Barnett-Lewis

And I’m sure your thought processes are so complex…

Sheesh. First one troll then another.

Mention Islam and all of a sudden they start coming out of the woodwork. What’s next, Pam Geller registers a sockpuppet?

246 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 4:33:40pm

re: #243 stabby

Have you told the FBI about your brilliant analysis?

247 EPR-radar  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 4:34:06pm

re: #237 stabby

Meh, one problem with religious thinking is that it’s simple as hell.

We may not have full artificial intelligence soon, but it would be damn easy to build a computer simulation of a religious fanatic. You could fit everything they know on a micro SD card.

By present day standards, it would be reasonable to regard just about everyone in Europe from 500 to 1500 as a religious fanatic.

I’d be very impressed with an AI that could duplicate that period of history.

248 engineer cat  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 4:34:33pm

re: #237 stabby

Meh, one problem with religious thinking is that it’s simple as hell.

We may not have full artificial intelligence soon, but it would be damn easy to build a computer simulation of a religious fanatic. You could fit everything they know on a micro SD card.

i say if we want real artificial intelligence we’ll have to put up with the artificial stupidity and artificial insanity that’ll come with it

249 stabby  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 4:35:25pm

re: #247 EPR-radar

Uhuh, how much time do you spend arguing with the wingnuts? With the Salafis? They seem pretty simple after a while.

250 EPR-radar  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 4:35:45pm

re: #248 engineer cat

i say if we want real artificial intelligence we’ll have to put up with the artificial stupidity and artificial insanity that’ll come with it

Reminds me of the old joke that a chess playing computer that responds with ‘I don’t feel like playing today’ is much more impressive than one that plays the game very well.

251 stabby  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 4:36:28pm

I fully believe that one of the functions of religion is to stunt the development of minds.

252 EPR-radar  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 4:37:11pm

re: #249 stabby

Uhuh, how much time do you spend arguing with the wingnuts? With the Salafis? They seem pretty simple after a while.

So US wingnuts and Salafis are all there is to religion? That is your error, right there.

253 thedopefishlives  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 4:37:24pm

re: #250 EPR-radar

Reminds me of the old joke that a chess playing computer that responds with ‘I don’t feel like playing today’ is much more impressive than one that plays the game very well.

An interesting game. The only winning move is not to play.

254 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 4:37:54pm

re: #239 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Some make badass soaps.

Paging Dr. Bronner. All-One!

255 stabby  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 4:38:23pm

re: #252 EPR-radar

I did specify “fanatics”

256 EPR-radar  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 4:38:36pm

re: #251 stabby

I fully believe that one of the functions of religion is to stunt the development of minds.

Please stop this. You make atheists (like me) look bad by spouting this drivel.

Ever hear of a Jesuit education? Worked pretty well for Galileo, back in the day.

257 stabby  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 4:39:45pm

re: #256 EPR-radar

Please stop this. You make atheists (like me) look bad by spouting this drivel.

You can be your kind of atheist and I’ll be my kind of agnostic.
Ok, I’m off for a drive.

258 EPR-radar  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 4:40:02pm

re: #255 stabby

I did specify “fanatics”

So tell me how Christendom ca. 500-1500 in Europe does not pretty much map onto any reasonable present day definition of ‘fanatic’.

259 Skip Intro  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 4:43:06pm

re: #232 thedopefishlives

If asked, I could’ve told you this is what the pompous windbag would say. He needs a new schtick. Like, I don’t know, learning how not to be a total douchecanoe.

Not a chance. He’s become a bot. Everything, no matter what it is, has the same cause and the same solution.

It is an interesting point about the difference between liberals and conservatives. Liberals will tell you what’s wrong with the country from the founding. Conservatives will say what’s wrong with the country because of liberals, while telling you what’s great about the country — if the liberals would move out of the way.

260 A Mom Anon  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 4:43:59pm

I’d just like to know what happens to someone that they become so hateful and full of rage. Babies are not born evil. So what is going on that pushes some people so far? I get that there are religious aspects to some of it, but something else is going on here. And to me, that’s what is important so that MAYBE, just maybe it might be possible to catch some of these young men(and it is mostly males who do this kind of thing) before they lose it completely. Something is missing in a life that is so filled with anger and pain, what is that something?

And I’m not just talking about terrorists here either, I am also talking about guys who shoot up schools, movie theaters or they kill their families and then themselves. What happens to make people go there and is there something we can do in our communities to help stop this? IMO that’s why it’s important to try to pick the brain of someone who commits crimes like this, so that maybe we can start figuring out how to stop that level of hate before it gains a foothold over someone.

261 klys  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 4:45:12pm
Enter your abstract.
This abstract will be indexed for online searching. It should be a more concise version of the abstract in your dissertation, and it must be in English.

I thought that was the whole point of the fucking abstract and now I need write another one without the use of superscripts. Fuck. Can’t I just hit the submit button and be done already?

262 EPR-radar  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 4:45:41pm

re: #259 Skip Intro

Not a chance. He’s become a bot. Everything, no matter what it is, has the same cause and the same solution.

By now, US movement conservatism has become so toxic that I would agree with his quote exactly if ‘conservative’ and ‘liberal’ are exchanged throughout.

263 AlexRogan  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 4:46:02pm

re: #244 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Love the Dr. Bronner’s soaps…the liquid soaps I take backpacking makes me naughty bits tingle.

;-P

264 A Mom Anon  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 4:47:42pm

re: #263 AlexRogan

I love the citrus one with lavender being a close second. Best stuff in the world for cleaning kids, dogs, adults and even clothes.

And with that, I am off to enjoy the tiramisu I made a couple hours ago. Nom Nom Nom.

265 klys  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 4:48:59pm

re: #264 A Mom Anon

I love the citrus one with lavender being a close second. Best stuff in the world for cleaning kids, dogs, adults and even clothes.

I have the eucalyptus one for the trailer. Liquid soap being a lot easier to travel with than bar soap.

266 AlexRogan  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 4:49:00pm

re: #264 A Mom Anon

I love the citrus one with lavender being a close second. Best stuff in the world for cleaning kids, dogs, adults and even clothes.

Gimme the original peppermint liquid version anytime.

267 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 4:52:02pm

re: #260 A Mom Anon

Babies are not born evil.

Babies are actually a little bit evil.

Babies Prefer Individuals Who Harm Those That Aren’t Like Them

…

The researchers had 9- and 14-month-old infants choose which food they preferred: graham crackers or green beans. The infants then watched a puppet show in which one puppet preferred graham crackers, while another preferred green beans. That is, one puppet demonstrated that its food preference was the same as the infant’s, while the other demonstrated that its food preference was different from the infant’s.

After the puppets chose their foods, infants then watched another puppet show, in which either the similar puppet or the dissimilar puppet dropped its ball and wanted it back. On alternating events, infants saw that one character always helped the ball-less puppet by returning the ball to him, while another character always harmed the ball-less puppet by stealing the ball away.

Finally, infants were given the chance to choose between the helper (giving) and harmer (stealing) puppets (see videos of the procedure) .

Unsurprisingly, infants’ choices revealed that almost all the infants in both the 9- and 14-month-old groups preferred the character who helped the similar puppet over the character who harmed the similar puppet. Previous research has shown that infants like people who are nice to totally unknown individuals, so it makes sense that they would also like people who are nice to individuals who are similar to them.

Far more surprising was that almost all the infants at both ages preferred the character who harmed the dissimilar puppet over the character who helped him. Infants’ preference for those who harmed dissimilar others was just as strong as their preference for those who helped similar ones.

268 klys  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 4:54:28pm

OT, but I have officially submitted my dissertation to the university (having already collected all the necessary signatures) so …

Yeah. I don’t think it will sink in that I am actually done with grad school until after I walk in graduation (in part because I still have a conference to prep for, and a paper to revise if the reviewers will ever get back to me, and a desk to clean out) but …

I don’t think they can kick me out at this point.

269 CuriousLurker  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 4:54:57pm

re: #260 A Mom Anon

I watched the NatGeo video below about the “warrior gene”. It was pretty intriguing. Scientists don’t fully understand it yet, but they think it indicates that violent behavior isn’t a case of nature vs nurture, but rather of nature and nurture (though “nature” has a much greater influence than they’d previously thought).

It was more than a little disturbing to realize how many people walk around barely holding in their rage 24/7 and ready to go off at the slightest provocation.

Youtube Video
270 EPR-radar  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 4:55:46pm

re: #268 klys

Congratulations!

271 HappyWarrior  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 4:56:46pm

Scary. Glad they got to them when they did.

272 klys  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 4:56:56pm

re: #270 EPR-radar

Congratulations!

Thank you! It has been a stupidly long and hard slog, complicated by the fact that I figured out halfway through that I don’t like research and don’t particularly want to work in this field anymore. But I decided at age 4 that I was going to get my PhD and I’m not very good at knowing when to quit.

273 Buck  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 4:57:58pm

I am sorry for the peaceful and non-violent muslims who are traumatized by being blamed for things they have nothing to do with.

All I can tell them is that after a couple of thousand years you start get used to it.

———————————————————————————
Richard Falk, a top UN Human Rights Council official and well-known anti-Semite, decided to take his hatred to a new level when he placed partial blame for the Boston bombings on America and Tel Aviv.

unwatch.org

274 EPR-radar  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 4:59:56pm

re: #272 klys

Thank you! It has been a stupidly long and hard slog, complicated by the fact that I figured out halfway through that I don’t like research and don’t particularly want to work in this field anymore. But I decided at age 4 that I was going to get my PhD and I’m not very good at knowing when to quit.

Ouch. It’s painful to find out that field you chose isn’t right for you. On the other hand, a Ph.D is basically training for an academic position, and in most fields there are at least 10x the number of Ph.Ds as there are academic positions, so flexibility in the job hunt is essential.

275 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:01:32pm

re: #272 klys

I figured out halfway through that I don’t like research and don’t particularly want to work in this field anymore.

Glasses specifically or materials science in general?

276 klys  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:02:11pm

re: #274 EPR-radar

Ouch. It’s painful to find out that field you chose isn’t right for you. On the other hand, a Ph.D is basically training for an academic position, and in most fields there are at least 10x the number of Ph.Ds as there are academic positions, so flexibility in the job hunt is essential.

Hell, it’s great for showing prospective employers that one is dedicated and able to direct one’s own efforts. And also batshit insane, but we won’t touch that. I’m just thrilled to have that portion behind me (especially after the defense in March) and now it really is just cleaning up the details so I can leave and prep for the conference in June.

Which I will work on tomorrow. I’m not doing anything more on this today.

277 CuriousLurker  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:02:49pm

re: #268 klys

re: #270 EPR-radar

Congratulations!

Seconded! We’re proud of you. ;)

278 klys  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:05:22pm

re: #275 goddamnedfrank

Glasses specifically or materials science in general?

If I could figure out a way to use my degree that involved faster iterations of problem solving and less research in glasses, that might be ideal. I know one member from my research group took her degree and went to Intel; we have a few at Corning, who I’m sure would love it if I wanted a job interview.

The current plan, however, involves going into software development. I took two classes in intro to programming while working on my graduate degrees and really, really enjoyed them. I’m going to try to shore up a few more fundamentals before I jump into the job market for that, but I really enjoyed writing something and watching it come to life. And the satisfaction when you finally find that piece of shit bug and PEWPEW it.

279 engineer cat  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:06:23pm

re: #264 A Mom Anon

I love the citrus one with lavender being a close second. Best stuff in the world for cleaning kids, dogs, adults and even clothes.

And with that, I am off to enjoy the tiramisu I made a couple hours ago. Nom Nom Nom.

children can be cleaned?

280 thedopefishlives  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:06:43pm

re: #279 engineer cat

children can be cleaned?

Very carefully.

281 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:11:06pm

re: #279 engineer cat

children can be cleaned?

The new high-end Maytags have a setting for it.

282 CuriousLurker  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:11:26pm

re: #267 goddamnedfrank

Babies are actually a little bit evil.

That reminds me of the BBC show below (same study, I believe). Unfortunately I can no longer locate the full version:

Youtube Video
283 thedopefishlives  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:12:17pm

re: #281 Decatur Deb

The new high-end Maytags have a setting for it.

Next year’s model is supposed to have one for cats. But that’s in early beta.

284 Bear  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:13:10pm

re: #268 klys

Congrats. It sounds as if it was a hard road to travel but YOU MADE IT.

285 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:13:20pm

re: #283 thedopefishlives

Next year’s model is supposed to have one for cats. But that’s in early beta.

Gonna have trouble with tails and agitators.

286 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:14:33pm

re: #283 thedopefishlives

Next year’s model is supposed to have one for cats. But that’s in early beta.

does it have one of those little accessory baskets for little kittens?

287 thedopefishlives  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:15:00pm

re: #286 Backwoods_Sleuth

does it have one of those little accessory baskets for little kittens?

No, those are considered self-cleaning.

288 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:16:18pm

1950 Disney version of “Treasure Island” on TCM.

Robert Newton for the win! Arrrrr!

289 CuriousLurker  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:17:34pm

Technology 1993 vs 2013

290 wrenchwench  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:17:41pm

re: #287 thedopefishlives

No, those are considered self-cleaning.

Image: h4D4126A9.jpg

291 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:18:53pm

re: #290 wrenchwench

Image: h4D4126A9.jpg

Image: baptize_fail.jpg

292 klys  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:19:58pm

I was going to say that we have never attempted to bathe our kitties because we don’t have death wishes but then two incidents come to mind - there is a reason that our disused fireplace is blocked off and the cats are not allowed in the bathroom with gentlemen.

293 GeneJockey  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:22:12pm

re: #267 goddamnedfrank

I was arguing with a wingnut once about the basis of morality, and he used part of that research to prove that humans are born with a sense of right and wrong. I pointed to the part you’ve posted here, and noted that if so, they were also born with a sense of tribalism.

294 klys  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:23:23pm

Meanwhile, in the continuing story of the West, Texas, explosion:

Also Tuesday, Texas lawmakers on Capitol Hill say it’s too early to call for more or better safety regulations in the wake of the explosion. But safety advocates are already calling improved oversight and better communication between state and federal regulatory agencies.

“The investigation has to work itself out,” said N. Alex Winslow, the executive director of the nonpartisan consumer advocacy group Texas Watch. “But I think there are a few things that are becoming apparent … among them being lax oversight and regulation for industrial plants generally.”

West Fertilizer has had problems complying with Texas environmental rules for decades, state records show.

In 1984, the company moved two large pressurized tanks of liquid anhydrous ammonia, a potentially lethal poison, from a site in nearby Hill County to its current location in West without notifying state authorities.

Seven years passed before Texas regulators took notice and told the company to fix its paperwork. The tanks had sat at their new location, near homes, schools and a nursing home, with little or no state oversight for all that time.

In 1987, the company – then known as West Chemical and Fertilizer Co. – was venting ammonia that built up in transfer pipes into the air despite explicit orders in its permit not to do so. The company apparently changed its practices.

In 2006, a West police officer called a company employee to tell him an ammonia tank valve was leaking. The employee confirmed the leak and “took the NH3 [ammonia] tank out to the country at his farm,” according to a handwritten note. “West Police followed him.”

The Office of the Texas State Chemist, a division of Texas A&M University, is fighting a Dallas Morning News request for inspection and inventory records, citing national security concerns regarding ammonium nitrate, which can be highly explosive and used in bombs.

Clearly national security concerns were very much on their minds before the explosion.

They have ruled out “natural” causes for the fire.

295 CuriousLurker  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:25:51pm

For those of you who might’ve missed it the other night, a cat who REALLY doesn’t like taking baths, LOL:

Youtube Video
296 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:26:55pm

re: #294 klys

In 2006, a West police officer called a company employee to tell him an ammonia tank valve was leaking. The employee confirmed the leak and “took the NH3 [ammonia] tank out to the country at his farm,” according to a handwritten note. “West Police followed him.”

wait….WTF?????

297 thedopefishlives  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:27:17pm

re: #296 Backwoods_Sleuth

wait….WTF?????

Exactly what I said to myself. That’s just stupid.

298 wrenchwench  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:28:35pm

re: #283 thedopefishlives

Next year’s model is supposed to have one for cats. But that’s in early beta.

Here it’s being tested:

Image: h90FB0132.jpg

299 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:28:48pm

re: #297 thedopefishlives

Exactly what I said to myself. That’s just stupid.

That makes absolutely no sense at all. Begs multiple questions, not the least of which is how the hell was the tank transported to the farm?

300 klys  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:29:51pm

re: #299 Backwoods_Sleuth

That makes absolutely no sense at all. Begs multiple questions, not the least of which is how the hell was the tank transported to the farm?

Presumably it may have been one of the ones that farmers haul out to hook up to their tractors and drag behind for fertilizing the field.

But I gotta say …I’m really hoping someone faces charges over this.

301 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:30:54pm

re: #299 Backwoods_Sleuth

That makes absolutely no sense at all. Begs multiple questions, not the least of which is how the hell was the tank transported to the farm?

In a pickup, of course. Seriously, our rural area has had a problem with meth cookers breaching ammonia systems to get a few gallons. The rest goes into the downwind lottery.

en.wikipedia.org

302 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:31:22pm

re: #300 klys

Presumably it may have been one of the ones that farmers haul out to hook up to their tractors and drag behind for fertilizing the field.

But I gotta say …I’m really hoping someone faces charges over this.

soooo….leaking ammonia-whatever the entire distance? SEVERAL someones need to face charges…

303 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:31:25pm

Hmm.

Should I throw him into the air, catch and then tickle him, bounce him on my foot then tickle him, or should I just tickle him.

Decisions, decisions.

304 klys  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:32:23pm

re: #303 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

Hmm.

Should I throw him into the air, catch and then tickle him, bounce him on my foot then tickle him, or should I just tickle him.

Decisions, decisions.

All of the above.

305 jaunte  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:32:47pm

re: #296 Backwoods_Sleuth

wait….WTF?????

I bet that’s the first his neighbors have heard of it.

306 wrenchwench  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:33:13pm

re: #303 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

Hmm.

Should I throw him into the air, catch and then tickle him, bounce him on my foot then tickle him, or should I just tickle him.

Decisions, decisions.

You have Elmo?

307 darthstar  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:33:23pm

Just texted a pic to my dad of flowers they sent for my wife’s birthday so they could see them. I don’t know if my dad knows his phone (an iPhone 3/4/5/n 1) can send and receive text messages with pictures attached, but he’s about to learn. It’ll be interesting to see what happens when he realizes how easy it is to spam his friends and kids with pictures straight to their phone.

Yes, I’m playing with fire, but it’s okay, because I’m running around it with scissors.

308 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:33:29pm

re: #301 Decatur Deb

In a pickup, of course. Seriously, our rural area has had a problem with meth cookers breaching ammonia systems to get a few gallons. The rest goes into the downwind lottery.

en.wikipedia.org

we have the same meth probs here, but our stoopids try to move anhydrous ammonia from the big tanks into those little propane tanks people use for their backyard grills. Somehow I don’t think those little tanks are what got moved.

309 CuriousLurker  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:33:29pm

re: #303 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

Hmm.

Should I throw him into the air, catch and then tickle him, bounce him on my foot then tickle him, or should I just tickle him.

Decisions, decisions.

Yep, definitely all of the above.

310 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:33:34pm

re: #305 jaunte

I bet that’s the first his neighbors have heard of it.

They’ll get wind of it.

311 darthstar  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:33:56pm

re: #298 wrenchwench

Here it’s being tested:

Image: h90FB0132.jpg

That’s not the kind of load you want.

312 Aligarr  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:33:57pm

re: #73 electrotek
Electrotek … judging by the down dings ,you have brought the rath of the PC crew upon your head . We must be missive that these two boys were driven by US policy in Iraq and Afghanistan ….so lets go kill some Americans that had nothing to do with , lets kill some unarmed unsuspecting innocence . Forget about their Ethos being totally perverted by the radical sects of their religion -Islam , they have a rationale ! And that seems to be bordering on the palatable with some . It has been minimized by terms like “murder spree ” and ” a quest for fame ” …how disingenuous . Well you happen to be right on the money regarding the denial which is heading towards what was seen after 9/11 . It’s a set up and blame the victims . So lets joke about how slapstick stupid these two killers were . Lets make believe they were just nuts and jihad has nothing at all to do with it . Oh well …bring on the down dings .

313 Skandal  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:34:41pm

re: #92 engineer cat

According to the statistics I’ve seen from various sources Christians outnumber Muslims by about half a billion. Do you have any sources that indicate otherwise?

314 darthstar  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:34:46pm

re: #303 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

Hmm.

Should I throw him into the air, catch and then tickle him, bounce him on my foot then tickle him, or should I just tickle him.

Decisions, decisions.

Wow…you’re hanging out with Donald Trump?

315 klys  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:35:54pm

re: #312 Aligarr

Seriously, it takes some effort to type like that. Why? What do you have against normal punctuation standards?

316 jaunte  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:36:23pm

re: #312 Aligarr

And that seems to be bordering on the palatable with some

LInk?

317 darthstar  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:36:35pm

re: #312 Aligarr

So lets joke about how slapstick stupid these two killers were . Lets make believe they were just nuts and jihad has nothing at all to do with it . Oh well …bring on the down dings .

Fuck you for wanting to make this about religion.

318 CuriousLurker  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:36:59pm

Okay, enough with the asshole brigade tonight. I’m out. Later, lizards.

319 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:37:20pm

re: #315 klys

Seriously, it takes some effort to type like that. Why? What do you have against normal punctuation standards?

I’ve wondered if that is the artifact of a weird Hebrew-English translator program.

320 klys  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:37:27pm

re: #318 CuriousLurker

Okay, enough with the asshole brigade tonight. I’m out. Later, lizards.

Take care and enjoy your evening. Cat cuddles fix everything!

321 thedopefishlives  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:37:38pm

re: #318 CuriousLurker

Okay, enough with the asshole brigade tonight. I’m out. Later, lizards.

Don’t worry, we got this. Take it easy.

322 klys  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:38:29pm

re: #319 Decatur Deb

I’ve wondered if that is the artifact of a weird Hebrew-English translator program.

I would assume that a translator program would be able to spell though: ‘rath’ for ‘wrath’?

Still, it’s as good an explanation as any I’ve heard so far.

323 Aligarr  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:38:31pm

BTW , someone upthe thread said Keller called these killers ” Keystone cops ” well not so , Geller called the Boston P.D. “Kestone Cops .”

324 thedopefishlives  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:38:57pm

re: #323 Aligarr

Ah, so you’re a Pam Geller devotee. Douchecanoe.

325 Aligarr  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:39:14pm

re: #315 klys

Anal retentiveness will get you nowhere .

326 jaunte  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:39:26pm

re: #323 Aligarr

No they didn’t. Read it again.

327 thedopefishlives  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:39:52pm

re: #323 Aligarr

How does it feel, knowing your heroine is bosom buddies with neo-Nazi anti-Semitic organizations like the EDL?

328 Aligarr  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:41:14pm

re: #324 thedopefishlives

You’ve got a reading comprehension problem . If you’re gonna jump bunky , look first where you’re jumping to .

329 darthstar  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:41:15pm

re: #324 thedopefishlives

Ah, so you’re a Pam Geller devotee. Douchecanoe.

And Tyler too.

330 klys  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:41:46pm

Hooray! I’m anal-retentive!

And here I was thinking that, in a text-based medium, being clear in your arguments was a good thing.

331 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:43:08pm

re: #330 klys

Hooray! I’m anal-retentive!

And here I was thinking that, in a text-based medium, being clear in your arguments was a good thing.

LGF is anal retentive. We’ve kept several of them for years.

332 darthstar  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:43:31pm

re: #325 Aligarr

Anal retentiveness will get you nowhere .

It will get you to the next thread without shitting all over the internet…oh, too late for you it seems.

333 thedopefishlives  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:43:40pm

re: #331 Decatur Deb

LGF is anal retentive. We’ve kept several of them for years.

*snicker*

That made me laugh aloud. I’ll be back shortly, I’m sure this one will probably be finished roasting by the time I get back.

334 klys  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:43:44pm

re: #331 Decatur Deb

LGF is anal retentive. We’ve kept several of them for years.

That I have but one upding to give…

335 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:44:23pm

re: #304 klys

All of the above.

Just finished. All three done.


The little guy has a great giggle.

336 Stanley Sea  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:44:31pm

Did you see this new gun control ad? Brilliant.

m.youtube.com

337 wrenchwench  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:44:37pm

re: #328 Aligarr

You’ve got a reading comprehension problem . If you’re gonna jump bunky , look first where you’re jumping to .

I have one of those too. Can you help me with this part?

We must be missive that these two boys were driven by US policy in Iraq and Afghanistan ….so lets go kill some Americans that had nothing to do with , lets kill some unarmed unsuspecting innocence

338 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:45:00pm

re: #306 wrenchwench

You have Elmo?

Sort of, I have a Liam.

339 Aligarr  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:45:31pm

re: #327 thedopefishlives

Before you have both feet in your mouth dunce , I did not indicate anything positive regarding Geller , she’s an asshole ,However another [probably as dumb as you } quoted her as saying these two terrorists were like Keystone cops , whereas she actually called the Boston PD keystone cops . I know your anxious to jump but you’re actually quite stupid.

340 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:45:47pm

re: #314 darthstar

Wow…you’re hanging out with Donald Trump?

Don’t be dissin’ my baby grandkid.

341 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:45:55pm

re: #337 wrenchwench

Shades of tfk.

342 jaunte  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:46:42pm

re: #339 Aligarr

Read the post again. It didn’t say what you think it said.

343 klys  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:46:51pm

re: #337 wrenchwench

I have one of those too. Can you help me with this part?

It gets odder because electrotek’s issue today was that apparently not enough Muslims were being angry about Boston. Or something. And now here it’s …that we’re not automatically saying it was jihad and kill all Muslims? I can’t even follow, because word salad does not a usable comment make.

344 EPR-radar  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:47:09pm

re: #312 Aligarr

Fundamentalist Christian gets radicalized, murders an abortion provider (Dr. Tiller). Implications for Christianity as a whole are?

Pair of Muslim losers get radicalized and bomb the Boston Marathon. No credible evidence to date of foreign command/control of this as a terrorist operation. Implications for Islam as a whole are? (For extra credit, if foreign command/control of this act is shown, does it change your answer and if so, how?)

Please be consistent if you answer.

345 Aligarr  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:47:20pm

Oh my . look at all the sycophants just waiting in the wings to jump.Looks like there more than just a few assholes here eh ?

346 darthstar  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:47:36pm

Three years of solar timelapse…dubstepped.

theatlantic.com

347 wrenchwench  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:48:21pm

re: #341 Charles Johnson

Shades of tfk.

If he starts in on the Secretary of State, we’ll have a positive ID.

348 klys  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:49:15pm

re: #345 Aligarr

They’ve been jumping on your spacebar, haven’t you noticed?

349 darthstar  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:49:19pm

re: #346 darthstar

Three years of solar timelapse…dubstepped.

theatlantic.com

I assume the rotation is caused by us rotating around the sun, but do note that the solar flares are all equatorial. There are no polar flares that I notice.

350 Single-handed sailor  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:49:22pm

re: #345 Aligarr

Oh my . look at all the sycophants just waiting in the wings to jump.Looks like there more than just a few assholes here eh ?

WTF dude, take your meds.

351 thedopefishlives  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:49:52pm

re: #341 Charles Johnson

Shades of tfk.

Oh look, there’s the boss. Looks like I was right.

352 dragonath  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:50:02pm

Gotta admit, watching the Three Stooges is more entertaining than Barney.

353 wrenchwench  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:50:06pm

re: #345 Aligarr

Oh my . look at all the sycophants just waiting in the wings to jump.Looks like there more than just a few assholes here eh ?

Did you get to the part where electrotek says he is a Muslim?

354 Aligarr  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:50:18pm

re: #344 EPR-radar

You should really try to sharpen your reading skills , I did not include all of muslims , if you read my words , I qualified with RADICAL SECTS . I think Pc is starting to affect brain function around here .

355 EPR-radar  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:51:20pm

re: #354 Aligarr

You should really try to sharpen your reading skills , I did not include all of muslims , if you read my words , I qualified with RADICAL SECTS . I think Pc is starting to affect brain function around here .

You seem to think there is an outbreak of affection for radical Islam here. Evidence?

356 klys  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:51:41pm

re: #349 darthstar

I assume the rotation is caused by us rotating around the sun, but do note that the solar flares are all equatorial. There are no polar flares that I notice.

We do rotate around the sun, but the sun rotates too - note that the video is compiled over 3 years but the sun clearly rotates more than 3 times. :)

As to whether the flare thing is significant my gut says possibly but my astrophysics are rusty, so I will ping a friend after she defends her Ph.D. in that next month.

357 dragonath  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:52:49pm

Come to LGF, where you can talk about RADICAL SECTS ACTS

358 Aligarr  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:52:50pm

re: #350 Single-handed sailor

I guess it doesn’t matter if you know what you’re talking about Eh ? Just say something , no matter how irrelevant , you’ll get approved .

359 bratwurst  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:52:58pm

re: #354 Aligarr

You should really try to sharpen your reading skills , I did not include all of muslims , if you read my words , I qualified with RADICAL SECTS . I think Pc is starting to affect brain function around here .

I don’t think anyone who expresses himself in the poor way you do has a right to accuse anyone else of diminished brain function.

360 darthstar  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:53:36pm

Okay…it’s off to the ballpark for me. After all this derp, I need some Giants baseball. Have a good night, all.

361 Aligarr  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:53:58pm

re: #357 dragonath

Hey , you sound like those teebaggers I smack down over at Breitbart ….Room Temperature IQ ‘s .

362 dragonath  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:55:27pm

re: #361 Aligarr

Hey , you sound like those teebaggers I smack down over at Breitbart ….Room Temperature IQ ‘s .

Fore?

363 Aligarr  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:55:37pm

re: #360 darthstar

Sure , shit on the floor and just leave ….enjoy the game , you’ve got 9 innings to figure out whats going on .

364 wrenchwench  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:55:43pm

re: #361 Aligarr

Hey , you sound like those teebaggers I smack down over at Breitbart ….Room Temperature IQ ‘s .

Oh yeah, all those ‘teebaggers’ at Breitbart are all smacked down now. Good job!

365 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:55:52pm

dftt

366 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:56:01pm

Sycophant:

encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com

Psychophant:

encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com

367 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:56:20pm

re: #363 Aligarr

Sure , shit on the floor and just leave ….enjoy the game , you’ve got 9 innings to figure out whats going on .

Bye, bye.

368 thedopefishlives  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:56:31pm

re: #365 Charles Johnson

dftt

I don’t normally mind trolls, but ones that do nothing but hurl insults are so 1995.

369 Petero1818  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:56:57pm

re: #49 engineer cat

“We just killed a cop. We blew up the marathon. And now we’re going to New York. Don’t [expletive] with us.”

some people get this out of their system by buying an electric guitar and playing heavy metal

This quote reminds me of what Jake and Elwood blues might have said had they been terrorists.

The real Jake and Elwood: “It’s 106 miles to Chicago, we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it’s dark… and we’re wearing sunglasses.”

Jake and Elwood as terrorists: “We just killed a cop. We blew up the marathon. And now we’re going to New York. Don’t [expletive] with us.”

Seriously, how retarded do you have to be to confess your entire crime, divulge your nest steps and then leave the guy alone…..some might say that subconsciously they wanted to be caught. If only they subconsciously came to that a few days earlier…

370 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:58:10pm

Roy Cohn, is that you?

One extra space before punctuation for yes, two extra spaces for no.

371 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:58:19pm

re: #368 thedopefishlives

At this point I could write a book on the psychopathy of the Internet comment forum troll. There are definite patterns of behavior.

372 thedopefishlives  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:59:00pm

re: #371 Charles Johnson

At this point I could write a book on the psychopathy of the Internet comment forum troll. There are definite patterns of behavior.

I know you could. I’ve seen a few come and go over the years. I usually wind up being absent for most of the trolling action, but this last week has really brought them out of the woodwork.

373 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:59:49pm

The autographed Rachel Maddow book went out to 10,000,000th commenter Varek Raith yesterday, by the way. Consigned, if you will, to the tender mercies of the United States Postal Service.

374 Aligarr  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 5:59:49pm

Hey ELECTROTECK , lololol…see what I mean ! They didn’t even take the time to down ding , like an avalanche of horseshit !
It’s ok , they’ll sleep better tonight .

375 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 6:00:09pm

re: #371 Charles Johnson

At this point I could write a book on the psychopathy of the Internet comment forum troll. There are definite patterns of behavior.

Updinged that, and now I feel like a sychophant psycophant ass-kisser.

376 AlexRogan  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 6:03:39pm

re: #374 Aligarr

What is this…I don’t even

377 blueraven  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 6:04:33pm

re: #374 Aligarr

Hey ELECTROTECK , lololol…see what I mean ! They didn’t even take the time to down ding , like an avalanche of horseshit !
It’s ok , they’ll sleep better tonight .

Put down the bottle dude and go sleep it off.

378 austin_blue  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 6:04:45pm

re: #296 Backwoods_Sleuth

wait….WTF?????

You have to understand that you are not hearing the whole story. Go to Google Maps and type in “West, TX”. Pull up the satellite picture. Go to the north end of town. The plant is NE of the Middle School and NNW of the High School (Scott Podsednik’s alma mater!).

See all those little white tanks on the south side of the property? They look like propane tanks, but are on wheels. They are called “nurse tanks”.

Primary fertilization takes place before planting when farmers buy *tons* of dry, granular fertilizer mixes (specifically blended, in this facility, on two mixing floors, both around 20,000 sq ft). After planting, and once the sprouts get up to six or eight inches high, a nurse tank full of liquid anhydrous ammonia is driven out to the farm and used to side-dress the crop. Think of it as agricultural steroids.

It was a valve on one of the nurse tanks that was leaking. Rather than pumping the anhydrous back into the pressurized, 20,000 gallon tank (those are the big ass tanks just south of the mixing buildings), he hitched it to his pickup and drove to a farm several miles away where the tank could safely off-gas and dissipate.

Low tech? Sure. But it’s why the cops followed him to make sure the tank was, literally, taken away from where it could pose a risk to people. So, WTF? Meh, not so much.

379 thedopefishlives  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 6:04:55pm

re: #377 blueraven

Put down the bottle dude and go sleep it off.

Iron Fist.

/Too old school?

380 thedopefishlives  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 6:05:49pm

re: #378 austin_blue

Yeah, but I didn’t think they could just do that out of the blue. I assumed there had to be procedures for that sort of thing.

381 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 6:07:10pm

re: #380 thedopefishlives

Yeah, but I didn’t think they could just do that out of the blue. I assumed there had to be procedures for that sort of thing.

Only if you run a risk management cycle and develop an SOP.

382 klys  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 6:08:19pm

re: #381 Decatur Deb

Only if you run a risk management cycle and develop an SOP.

And all the data we have indicates they …didn’t, really. Likely due to just negligence and complacency about what they were dealing with, but this is part of what regulation is supposed to combat.

383 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 6:09:03pm

re: #320 klys

Take care and enjoy your evening. Cat cuddles fix everything!

What’s even better is giving your 12mth old grandkid a bath.

384 Stanley Sea  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 6:09:15pm

re: #378 austin_blue

You have to understand that you are not hearing the whole story. Go to Google Maps and type in “West, TX”. Pull up the satellite picture. Go to the north end of town. The plant is NE of the Middle School and NNW of the High School (Scott Podsednik’s alma mater!).

See all those little white tanks on the south side of the property? They look like propane tanks, but are on wheels. They are called “nurse tanks”.

Primary fertilization takes place before planting when farmers buy *tons* of dry, granular fertilizer mixes (specifically blended, in this facility, on two mixing floors, both around 20,000 sq ft). After planting, and once the sprouts get up to six or eight inches high, a nurse tank full of liquid anhydrous ammonia is driven out to the farm and used to side-dress the crop. Think of it as agricultural steroids.

It was a valve on one of the nurse tanks that was leaking. Rather than pumping the anhydrous back into the pressurized, 20,000 gallon tank (those are the big ass tanks just south of the mixing buildings), he hitched it to his pickup and drove to a farm several miles where the tank could safely off-gas and dissipate.

Low tech? Sure. But it’s why the cops followed him to make sure the tank was, literally, taken away from where it could pose a risk to people. So, WTF? Meh, not so much.

The procedure & business if agriculture I know so little about. Thanks for that interesting info.

385 wrenchwench  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 6:10:38pm

Later, lizards.

386 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 6:11:03pm

re: #378 austin_blue

thanks for the explanation. As a farmer, I’m familiar with those sorts of tanks and didn’t think of them right away, probably because we don’t use anhydrous ammonia on my farm. Still, makes me nervous just thinking about moving it while the valve was leaking.

387 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 6:12:20pm

re: #382 klys

And all the data we have indicates they …didn’t, really. Likely due to just negligence and complacency about what they were dealing with, but this is part of what regulation is supposed to combat.

This is not a suggestion:

1910.1200(a)(2)

This occupational safety and health standard is intended to address comprehensively the issue of classifying the potential hazards of chemicals, and communicating information concerning hazards and appropriate protective measures to employees, and to preempt any legislative or regulatory enactments of a state, or political subdivision of a state, pertaining to this subject. Classifying the potential hazards of chemicals and communicating information concerning hazards and appropriate protective measures to employees, may include, for example, but is not limited to, provisions for: developing and maintaining a written hazard communication program for the workplace, including lists of hazardous chemicals present; labeling of containers of chemicals in the workplace, as well as of containers of chemicals being shipped to other workplaces; preparation and distribution of safety data sheets to employees and downstream employers; and development and implementation of employee training programs regarding hazards of chemicals and protective measures. Under section 18 of the Act, no state or political subdivision of a state may adopt or enforce any requirement relating to the issue addressed by this Federal standard, except pursuant to a Federally-approved state plan.

osha.gov

388 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 6:13:38pm

And from this day forward, no one on LGF would ever forget the courage of that one guy who called them dumb and suggested they were terrorists sympathizers. Who braved the Nerf slings and Nerf arrows of mild disapproval to take arms against a sea of people that didn’t totally agree with whatever he said, and in doing so prove that we were all hivemind PC liberals, for verily multiple responses to forum posts are totally a sign of ganging up by weakminded fools and, nay, not a side-effect of a communication medium with chronological serialization of posts.

We few…we happy, stupid, terrorist-sympathizing few.

389 klys  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 6:14:42pm

re: #387 Decatur Deb

Yep. But OSHA last inspected them in 1985. Same year I was born.

390 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 6:15:15pm

re: #389 klys

Yep. But OSHA last inspected them in 1985. Same year I was born.

They’ll be there now.

osha.gov

391 thedopefishlives  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 6:16:38pm

re: #389 klys

Yep. But OSHA last inspected them in 1985. Same year I was born.

Federal oversight agencies heavily rely on self-reporting. Unfortunately, many companies take advantage of this, despite the fact that they will get busted extra hard when they get caught. My dad just retired as an environmental manager at a major corporation, and much of his job was filing the proper paperwork when incidents occurred. Not like the government would call him and say, “Hey, yeah, we heard of an incident at this plant, you need to report it.”

392 dragonath  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 6:17:13pm

Awesome, I just found out there’s a ice cream bar named Golden Gaytime

393 AlexRogan  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 6:20:22pm

re: #390 Decatur Deb

They’ll be there now.

osha.gov

The problem now is, of course, there’s no “there” there anymore.

394 alpuz  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 6:21:03pm

re: #360 darthstar

I’m jealous. It’s freakin’ 39 degrees here and there’s still a ice/snow/slop on the ground. My kid is a baseball player. They have yet to take the field. Cabin fever has reached a new pitch(no pun intended) in this household.

Have fun. That’s one heckuva baseball park.

395 austin_blue  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 6:21:50pm

re: #380 thedopefishlives

Yeah, but I didn’t think they could just do that out of the blue. I assumed there had to be procedures for that sort of thing.

Not really. Wherever there is farming, you will find these facilities. Each mixing facility tailors blends of fertilizer for individual farmers with specific soil types and crops, and may provide product to scores or even hundreds of farms. And there are hundreds of these facilities in Texas’ 254 counties.

Regulation is notoriously lax. The West facility has been there since the 1950’s. No fire suppression system required (grandfathered). Inventory controls are enforced, but other rules and regs (registration of tanks, air permits and monitoring reqs, OSHA training and records, &c), are covered by numerous State and Federal regulatory agencies. No one group has an idea of the big picture. This is not accidental. Farming has powerful lobbies and good friends among Congresscritters.

Oh, and by the way, in the 50’s, that facility was way the hell out of town. The memory of 1947 in Texas City was damn fresh back then. They knew what ammonium nitrate could do. But the memory has faded, and the town has grown to *it*.

396 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 6:21:51pm

re: #388 The Ghost of a Flea

And from this day forward, no one on LGF would ever forget the courage of that one guy who called them dumb and suggested they were terrorists sympathizers. Who braved the Nerf slings and Nerf arrows of mild disapproval to take arms against a sea of people that didn’t totally agree with whatever he said, and in doing so prove that we were all hivemind PC liberals, for verily multiple responses to forum posts are totally a sign of ganging up by weakminded fools and, nay, not a side-effect of a communication medium with chronological serialization of posts.

We few…we happy, stupid, terrorist-sympathizing few.

Happy Bard’s birthday to all.

397 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 6:22:28pm

When I was much younger, and living in a different state, I was a volunteer firefighter in my agricultural community. We were trained relentlessly about responding to hazmat situations including anhydrous ammonia leaks. To this day I remember one of our calls where the tank started leaking out in the middle of a huge field and the farmer thought he could just deal with it by himself. By the time we got there, he was already blinded. Permanently.
I don’t think people can over-react enough.

398 thedopefishlives  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 6:22:49pm

re: #395 austin_blue

Ok, thanks. I’ve hung around with lots of small-scale farmers, never had a view of the bigger picture.

399 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 6:23:30pm

re: #354 Aligarr

You should really try to sharpen your reading skills , I did not include all of muslims , if you read my words , I qualified with RADICAL SECTS . I think Pc is starting to affect brain function around here .

Dude, how can you miss the many posts saying that the older brother turned to radical Islam? What the fuck are you talking about with this PC bullshit?

He was Muslim. He appears to have self-radicalized. This is pretty much clear and open. So what are you actually complaining about people saying?

400 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 6:26:40pm

re: #393 AlexRogan

The problem now is, of course, there’s no “there” there anymore.

OSHA thugs are part of the job-killing socialist plan, haven’t you heard?

401 compound_Idaho  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 6:31:48pm

re: #395 austin_blue

Was the plant there before the schools were built?

OSHA cannot make unannounced inspections without the approval of the facility operator. If the operator refuses entry, the inspector must obtain a warrant before entering the property. I don’t know if that is difficult or unusual.

Not so for MSHA. They can pretty much go were ever, when ever they want. In fact the MSHA law requires periodic inspections which vary on the type of mine.

I have worked on hazardous waste sites for nearly 30 years. I have never seen an OSHA inspector.

402 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 6:35:12pm

re: #401 compound_Idaho

Was the plant there before the schools were built?

OSHA cannot make unannounced inspections without the approval of the facility operator. If the operator refuses entry, the inspector must obtain a warrant before entering the property. I don’t know if that is difficult or unusual.

Not so for MSHA. They can pretty much go were ever, when ever they want. In fact the MSHA law requires periodic inspections which vary on the type of mine.

I have worked on hazardous waste sites for nearly 30 years. I have never seen an OSHA inspector.

Used to be common. Even though Pres Nixon started them off, GOP administrations (and some lame Dem ones) have consistently cut them.

403 klys  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 6:47:35pm

re: #401 compound_Idaho

My belief is the plant predates the school. I know it predates some of the most heavily damaged housing (the apartments and nursing home).

The earliest record I have seen of government knowledge of ammonium nitrate on site was the Tier Two report for 2012, submitted by the owner on February 26, 2013 (going from memory, date may be slightly off). That was reported to the state of Texas. DHS had no knowledge.

404 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 6:52:38pm

re: #403 klys

My belief is the plant predates the school. I know it predates some of the most heavily damaged housing (the apartments and nursing home).

The earliest record I have seen of government knowledge of ammonium nitrate on site was the Tier Two report for 2012, submitted by the owner on February 26, 2013 (going from memory, date may be slightly off). That was reported to the state of Texas. DHS had no knowledge.

With only a dozen or so workers, it wouldn’t generate the accident history that would put it on OSHA’s target lists. Assuming they even reported their accidents, as required.

405 austin_blue  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 7:00:23pm

re: #398 thedopefishlives

Ok, thanks. I’ve hung around with lots of small-scale farmers, never had a view of the bigger picture.

Not many people do in this urban country. The only reason I do know about this shit is because it’s my *job* to know about this shit.

Example:

Immediately after the explosion, a colleague and I were talking and he was telling me how odd it was that the early conversation was about the anhydrous tanks. It is notoriously hard to ignite unless it is a BLEVE {boiling liquid expanding vapor explosion] situation (note to everyone: never get anywhere near a BLEVE, which is the failure of a pressurized liquid gas vessel. See here:

Youtube Video
).

Since the explosion was only 25 minutes after the initial call for assistance, and BLEVE situations take much longer to develop, we agreed that it was probably the ammonium hydroxide mixtures, not the anhydrous ammonia, that was responsible for the boom. We got an airplane with a camera up and got a picture of the site. Sure enough, the anhydrous tanks (and two large propane tanks), were banged up, scorched, but intact. That’s an Emergency Response QED and will be crucial to the investigation.

Tragedies are learning moments.

406 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 7:08:57pm

re: #319 Decatur Deb

I’ve wondered if that is the artifact of a weird Hebrew-English translator program.

I have a dual English/Hebrew keyboard and I manage to punctuate correctly in both languages.

407 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 7:12:02pm

re: #354 Aligarr

You should really try to sharpen your reading skills , I did not include all of muslims , if you read my words , I qualified with RADICAL SECTS . I think Pc is starting to affect brain function around here .

I CAN’T TAKE IT ANY MORE. WHY DO YOU PUT THOSE EXTRA SPACES IN FRONT OF PERIODS AND COMMAS!!

SPACEBAR CONTROL!!!!111

408 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 7:12:05pm

re: #406 Vicious Babushka

I have a dual English/Hebrew keyboard and I manage to punctuate correctly in both languages.

Was thinking of a poorly-done block text translator, run by someone without native English. His comments on other sites follow the same idiosyncrasy.

409 CuriousLurker  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 8:35:26pm

re: #320 klys

Take care and enjoy your evening. Cat cuddles fix everything!

re: #321 thedopefishlives

Don’t worry, we got this. Take it easy.

Thanks. ;)

410 [deleted]  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 2:19:09am
411 Aligarr  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 2:32:54am

re: #399 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Better question , what are the people complaining about regarding what I ‘ve said , go ask’em .
I guess even mentioning Geller’s name , merely to point out a misquote by another poster , is automatically ASSSSumed that I approve or that I’m a fan .
It was quite clear , atleast in my mind that Geller called the Boston P.D. “keystone cops ” not the two terrorists . How that was construed by anyone as an indication of some sort of approval on my part is beyond me . So , what the fuck are you bitching about ? Or did you just jump into this out of force of habit .

412 Aligarr  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 3:11:29am

re: #409 CuriousLurker

Oh please ….spare me . must be the Mod Squad eh ?

413 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 5:06:09am

re: #411 Aligarr

Better question , what are the people complaining about regarding what I ‘ve said , go ask’em .

What’s wrong with what you’ve said is the idea that the ‘PC crowd’ got angry at any mention of Islam. This isn’t true. electro-whatever contended that he couldn’t find anger from moderate Muslims against these guys, and that Muslims were just defending him. The single source he provided to show this didn’t, in fact, show this, it showed some conspiracy theorists and some Pakistanis pushing back against this.

Furthermore, the person who ‘borrowed’ from Geller, cleary didn’t think she’d called the terrorist the Keystone Kops, the poster was playing off of what she said. So that whole derail was just pointless. I agree that assuming that meant you were a Geller devotee was a mistake.

414 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 5:07:09am

re: #410 Aligarr

D oes it , re ally , both er you t hat much little babushk a ? I can h ear the puck ering from here .
Tell me dear , what ELSE bothers you ? I betcha got alonglonglong lis t .
: ))))))))

Posts like this make you seem creepy and nuts, by the way. When an ordinary person is told that something is annoying others, they don’t immediately start doing it more. Only someone who actually wanted to annoy someone else would do that.

415 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 11:03:13am

That’s enough.


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