Tuesday Evening Weirdness: David Byrne and St. Vincent, “Who”

Who is an honest man?
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The first video from David Byrne & St. Vincent’s collaborative album “Love This Giant”.

Video credits:
Director : Martin de Thurah
Producer : Epoch Films
Executive Producer : Mindy Goldberg
Line Producer : Brielle Murray
Director of Photography : Natasha Braier
Post Production : BaconX
Editor: Jacob Schulsinger
Colorist : Sofie Friis Borup

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288 comments
1 austin_blue  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 7:09:47pm

Reposted from two floors down, with a couple of mods at the end.

re: #398 thedopefishlives

Ok, thanks. I’ve hung around with lots of small-scale farmers, never had a view of the bigger picture.>>

Not many people do in this urban country. The only reason I do know about this shit is because it’s my *job* to know about this shit.

Example:

Immediately after the explosion, a colleague and I were talking and he was telling me how odd it was that the early conversation was about the anhydrous tanks. It is notoriously hard to ignite unless it is a BLEVE {boiling liquid expanding vapor explosion] situation (note to everyone: never get anywhere near a BLEVE, which is the failure of a pressurized liquid gas vessel. See here:

Youtube Video

Since the explosion was only 25 minutes after the initial call for assistance, and BLEVE situations take much longer to develop, we agreed that it was probably the ammonium hydroxide mixtures, not the anhydrous ammonia, that was responsible for the BOOM. We got an airplane with a camera up and got a picture of the site. Sure enough, the anhydrous tanks (and two large propane tanks), were banged up, scorched, but intact. That’s an Emergency Response QED and will be crucial to the investigation.

Tragedies like this are learning opportunities. Hopefully, reasonable regulation (especially putting regulation under a single entity) will follow. We’ll see.

2 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 7:17:57pm

This ” Aligarr ” with , the weird random spacebar , is getting on my last nerve .

3 klys  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 7:19:10pm

re: #1 austin_blue

I got interested in it as a chemist because, like you said, much of the early conversation was around the anhydrous ammonia - so I did at least run with that to see how it could generate the explosion. The timing was something I didn’t think as much about, although given that the videos seem to show a smaller explosion leading into the larger one, it seemed possible that a premature puncture in the tank could trigger the BLEVE before you have outright failure of the tank itself.

However, the tanks being intact (along with the revelations about ammonium nitrate on the site) make it a different story.

If nothing else, I think a lot of the regulation on the books on the plant side of things are reasonable, but it should be under a single entity because otherwise enforcement becomes a difficult situation at best. I also think zoning laws are important and useful, but that’s a different kettle of fish entirely.

4 Stanley Sea  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 7:21:37pm

Link didn’t work. You must see the new gun control ad that shows a workplace attack. Trying again.

m.youtube.com

5 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 7:24:20pm

re: #4 Stanley Sea

You really must see this gun control ad

Did you mean THIS gun control ad?

Actually I think it would have had more impact if they showed a colonial guy shooting down random colonial people with an AR-15, then ask “Would the Founding Fathers have sanctioned this in the Constitution?”

6 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 7:24:26pm

re: #3 klys

I got interested in it as a chemist because, like you said, much of the early conversation was around the anhydrous ammonia - so I did at least run with that to see how it could generate the explosion. The timing was something I didn’t think as much about, although given that the videos seem to show a smaller explosion leading into the larger one, it seemed possible that a premature puncture in the tank could trigger the BLEVE before you have outright failure of the tank itself.

However, the tanks being intact (along with the revelations about ammonium nitrate on the site) make it a different story.

If nothing else, I think a lot of the regulation on the books on the plant side of things are reasonable, but it should be under a single entity because otherwise enforcement becomes a difficult situation at best. I also think zoning laws are important and useful, but that’s a different kettle of fish entirely.

A decade or so ago OSHA and the EPA established a ‘partnership’ program under which they can call each other into a seriously jacked workplace. Other than that, they have different missions and report to different cabinet secretaries.

7 Stanley Sea  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 7:24:51pm

re: #5 Vicious Babushka

Did you mean THIS gun control ad?

[Embedded content]

Actually I think it would have had more impact if they showed a colonial guy shooting down random colonial people with an AR-15, then ask “Would the Founding Fathers have sanctioned this in the Constitution?”

Yes and thanks.

8 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 7:26:38pm

The trolls are really swarming out of the woodwork tonight.

9 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 7:27:39pm

I must leave. See you at the bottom of the thread in the morning!

10 klys  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 7:28:27pm

re: #6 Decatur Deb

A decade or so ago OSHA and the EPA established a ‘partnership’ program under which they can call each other into a seriously jacked workplace. Other than that, they have different missions and report to different cabinet secretaries.

Oh, I know. I’ve worked in a number of industrial chemical labs (hooray internships) and so I’ve sat through more than my share of safety in the workplace presentations as well.

I admit I’m not sure what the best way to reconcile the situation is: I don’t want to see another Department of Homeland Security, but clearly some better communication among entities is needed to make sure places aren’t skating by through the cracks. I know that all the agencies involved are underfunded and overworked; that can’t be helping right now. That’s why my first instinct isn’t necessarily to slap more regulation on the books but to make sure the existing regulations are being enforced. (I still do want to see charges, though. Even if all that can be proved is negligence, it’s still a crime.)

11 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 7:32:28pm

re: #10 klys

Oh, I know. I’ve worked in a number of industrial chemical labs (hooray internships) and so I’ve sat through more than my share of safety in the workplace presentations as well.

I admit I’m not sure what the best way to reconcile the situation is: I don’t want to see another Department of Homeland Security, but clearly some better communication among entities is needed to make sure places aren’t skating by through the cracks. I know that all the agencies involved are underfunded and overworked; that can’t be helping right now. That’s why my first instinct isn’t necessarily to slap more regulation on the books but to make sure the existing regulations are being enforced. (I still do want to see charges, though. Even if all that can be proved is negligence, it’s still a crime.)

Remember that OSHA is administrative law, with little history of punishments more serious than (diluted) fines. To get jailtime, you basically have to shoot an inspector. The normal state and local criminal laws involving endangerment and neglect still apply in the workplace, though it would be earthshaking if they were employed.

12 klys  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 7:34:53pm

re: #11 Decatur Deb

Remember that OSHA is administrative law, with little history of punishments more serious than (diluted) fines. To get jailtime, you basically have to shoot an inspector. The normal state and local criminal laws involving endangerment and neglect still apply in the workplace, though it would be earthshaking if they were employed.

Yeah, where I’m hoping they’ll get nailed is failure to report to DHS.

I don’t have much faith in the system that it’s actually going to happen. But I can hope.

13 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 7:37:38pm

‘Nite, all.

14 klys  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 7:37:56pm

re: #13 Decatur Deb

‘Nite, all.

Sleep well!

15 compound_Idaho  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 7:47:37pm

re: #11 Decatur Deb

In addition, OSHA regulations do not apply to DOD or DOE and their contractors. I believe there are memorandums of understanding between the departments, but no enforcement mechanisms.

16 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 7:59:28pm

re: #5 Vicious Babushka

Did you mean THIS gun control ad?

[Embedded content]

Actually I think it would have had more impact if they showed a colonial guy shooting down random colonial people with an AR-15, then ask “Would the Founding Fathers have sanctioned this in the Constitution?”

Back then they had duels, so a man with an angry fixation on someone else’s perceived wronging of him had a different way to fire a shot at him.

17 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 8:01:10pm

Damn, man, Richie Havens died.

18 klys  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 8:01:26pm

What is it about Islam that makes it so hard for people Westerners to separate the actions of extremists from the majority? Is it that it fits so easily into an us-against-them mentality? Appeal to prejudice? Desire for superiority? What? I’m genuinely confused.

People seem capable of doing it with the Christian extremists in the US (well, some people).

19 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 8:03:25pm

re: #18 klys

What is it about Islam that makes it so hard for people Westerners to separate the actions of extremists from the majority? Is it that it fits so easily into an us-against-them mentality? Appeal to prejudice? Desire for superiority? What? I’m genuinely confused.

People seem capable of doing it with the Christian extremists in the US (well, some people).

Islam has been the “enemy religion” of the West for over a thousand years. Such long-lived perceptions cannot be made to go away in the space of decades.

That’s not the whole story, but it’s a start.

20 klys  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 8:06:02pm

I am convinced that if ambrosia existed, it involved cheddar cheese. And possibly apples.

21 Kragar  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 8:08:11pm

Well, I’m back. Not really in a bantering mood. The last 5 days have been hell.

A month ago, my Dad was a healthy 72 year old motorcycle mechanic, planning to go on crosscountry bike rides across multiple states cover thousands of miles. Today, he’s a shell of himself and can’t even get to the bathroom without support. Last night, he collapsed again and we had to rush him to the ER and he’s on blood thinners now to reduce clotting. Some of the doctors’ and specialists think we may have grounds for a negligence lawsuit against some of his primary care providers, but we can’t even think about that right now.

Right now, I can’t help shake the feeling that I saw my Dad alive for the last time today.

22 ProBosniaLiberal  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 8:09:17pm

Here’s a good question. My dad gets his opinions on immigration from this place, along with my mom.

I am assuming this is a bad sign?

23 klys  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 8:09:32pm

re: #21 Kragar

Oh, Kragar.

{{hugs}}

There’s not a lot of comfort to be offered right now, just know that folks are here and care for you and yours.

24 jaunte  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 8:10:10pm

re: #21 Kragar

Damn. Sorry to hear that.

25 ProBosniaLiberal  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 8:10:30pm

re: #21 Kragar

:HUG:

26 HappyWarrior  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 8:11:00pm

re: #22 ProBosniaLiberal

Here’s a good question. My dad gets his opinions on immigration from this place, along with my mom.

I am assuming this is a bad sign?

Yeah they want quotas on certain regions of the world. That should tell you everything you need to know.

27 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 8:11:10pm

re: #18 klys

The Middle East really does have a high percentage of very corrupt states, too. There’s a whole parade of legitimately bad world actors that are Muslim. The scholarship and entrepreneurship in those countries is not so much, outside of sheer business stuff, and so you don’t tend to hear much out of the Middle East that isn’t someone being a bastard. I think that’s a large part of it too. The Middle East gets reported on a lot, whereas, like, Africa, with just as many if not more conflicts, often gets nearly totally overlooked in US programming.

Africa has never really held US interest (except during the most shocking exigencies, like the Rwandan massacre) and it’s too bad, because Africa has a lot to show us. There are a ton of failed states there, and some of them are Muslim and some are Christian and some are Animist. There’s no pattern there. And there are states that are doing somewhat okay while weathering the enormous public health problem of AIDs, and those states, frankly, tend to be the more socialistic ones— but mostly they tend to be the less corrupt ones.

But I also have the feeling a lot of US Christians would somehow write off African Christians, as somehow not really like them.

28 HappyWarrior  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 8:11:43pm

re: #21 Kragar

Well, I’m back. Not really in a bantering mood. The last 5 days have been hell.

A month ago, my Dad was a healthy 72 year old motorcycle mechanic, planning to go on crosscountry bike rides across multiple states cover thousands of miles. Today, he’s a shell of himself and can’t even get to the bathroom without support. Last night, he collapsed again and we had to rush him to the ER and he’s on blood thinners now to reduce clotting. Some of the doctors’ and specialists think we may have grounds for a negligence lawsuit against some of his primary care providers, but we can’t even think about that right now.

Right now, I can’t help shake the feeling that I saw my Dad alive for the last time today.

I’m so sorry. Thoughts with you and your family during this tough time.

29 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 8:12:19pm

re: #21 Kragar

There’s no words, man. Just make sure to take care of yourself during this time.

30 ProBosniaLiberal  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 8:13:11pm

re: #26 HappyWarrior

I know, but I can’t seem to get them to see that. Enough of my friends are first generation immigrants that this legitimately gets me ticked off and stressed, cause my dad will occasionally go on racist spew sprees.

31 Targetpractice  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 8:14:03pm

re: #21 Kragar

Can’t begin to imagine what you’re going through right now, buddy. Love to your and yours.

32 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 8:14:09pm

Well I only came home from vacation with ONE good picture of Hoover Dam, but if I may say so, it turned out pretty good.

(Note the prominent Lake Mead “bathtub ring” in the background).

33 HappyWarrior  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 8:14:46pm

re: #30 ProBosniaLiberal

I know, but I can’t seem to get them to see that. Enough of my friends are first generation immigrants that this legitimately gets me ticked off and stressed, cause my dad will occasionally go on racist spew sprees.

Unfortunately it’s probably going to be tough to convince them otherwise. My grandfather whose parents were immigrants no less loved parroting Lou Dobbs on the issue. Tried pointing out to him that if people like Dobbs had their way when his parents were emigrating here, that they would have never been allowed in but he was hard to argue with.

34 klys  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 8:14:47pm

re: #32 Eclectic Cyborg

Well I only came home from vacation with ONE good picture of Hoover Dam, but if I may say so, it turned out pretty good.

(Note the prominent Lake Mead “bathtub ring” in the background).

Did you get to do the tour?

35 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 8:16:53pm

re: #21 Kragar

Well, I’m back. Not really in a bantering mood. The last 5 days have been hell.

A month ago, my Dad was a healthy 72 year old motorcycle mechanic, planning to go on crosscountry bike rides across multiple states cover thousands of miles. Today, he’s a shell of himself and can’t even get to the bathroom without support. Last night, he collapsed again and we had to rush him to the ER and he’s on blood thinners now to reduce clotting. Some of the doctors’ and specialists think we may have grounds for a negligence lawsuit against some of his primary care providers, but we can’t even think about that right now.

Right now, I can’t help shake the feeling that I saw my Dad alive for the last time today.

I went through a lot of the same when my previously healthy 87 year old grandfather battled cancer in his final year. I know how difficult it is to see someone go downhill like that. All I can say is don’t get too hung up on “I saw him alive for the last time”. There will come a last time but you never know when it will be. Treasure the moments you have and after he passes, treasure the memories he leaves behind.

I know for me that when the end came I was both sad and happy for my grandfather. Sad he was gone but happy he was no longer suffering and in a place where he could feel like a strong young man again.

36 klys  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 8:16:57pm

I will say, the trolls in the occasional Page make me appreciate the wonderful community in the main thread all the more.

37 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 8:17:10pm

re: #34 klys

Did you get to do the tour?

No, just walked the Bridge and took a few pics from there.

38 klys  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 8:18:10pm

re: #37 Eclectic Cyborg

No, just walked the Bridge and took a few pics from there.

Oh man, I’ll have to try and dig out some photos for you. (Not tonight.) You get some pretty spectacular views from that.

39 ProBosniaLiberal  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 8:18:18pm

re: #33 HappyWarrior

It’s really ironic in my dad’s case. Again, the Dutch and German wouldn’t assimilate until WWI. And his family from the Frisian region were already here for 2-3 generations when that happened.

My dad has all the self-awareness of a teacup.

40 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 8:18:26pm

re: #27 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

The Middle East really does have a high percentage of very corrupt states, too. There’s a whole parade of legitimately bad world actors that are Muslim. The scholarship and entrepreneurship in those countries is not so much, outside of sheer business stuff, and so you don’t tend to hear much out of the Middle East that isn’t someone being a bastard. I think that’s a large part of it too. The Middle East gets reported on a lot, whereas, like, Africa, with just as many if not more conflicts, often gets nearly totally overlooked in US programming.

Africa has never really held US interest (except during the most shocking exigencies, like the Rwandan massacre) and it’s too bad, because Africa has a lot to show us. There are a ton of failed states there, and some of them are Muslim and some are Christian and some are Animist. There’s no pattern there. And there are states that are doing somewhat okay while weathering the enormous public health problem of AIDs, and those states, frankly, tend to be the more socialistic ones— but mostly they tend to be the less corrupt ones.

But I also have the feeling a lot of US Christians would somehow write off African Christians, as somehow not really like them.

To be fair, though, many evangelical denominations do maintain active ties to their African counterparts, and provide them charitable support. So the percentage of US Christians who would reject African Christians is likely a great deal lower than you might think.

41 PT Barnum  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 8:19:05pm

re: #21 Kragar

We’re going through some thing similar with my widest dad. He’s failing, and there isn’t a lot we can do for him other than let him know how much we love him.

42 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 8:19:21pm

re: #4 Stanley Sea

Link didn’t work. You must see the new gun control ad that shows a workplace attack. Trying again.

m.youtube.com

Again if we’re going to start limiting the Constitution according to the possible scenarios envisioned by the Founders then we have to toss out 1st Amendment protection for copying owned media (Sony v. Universal Studios), software / video games (Brown v. EMA), and Fourth Amendment protections as they apply to phone tapping restrictions (Katz v. United States.)

It’d be a mess. If you want to repeal the 2nd Amendment then repeal it, but pretending that the Constitution is a living document only when we want it to be doesn’t make for the most internally consistent argument.

43 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 8:20:49pm

re: #32 Eclectic Cyborg

Well I only came home from vacation with ONE good picture of Hoover Dam, but if I may say so, it turned out pretty good.

(Note the prominent Lake Mead “bathtub ring” in the background).

Nice. Taken on the move while crossing the new bridge I presume?

44 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 8:21:00pm

re: #40 Dark_Falcon

To be fair, though, many evangelical denominations do maintain active ties to their African counterparts, and provide them charitable support. So the percentage of US Christians who would reject African Christians is likely a great deal lower than you might think.

Meh. A lot of the Evangelical churches will reject Catholics as not being Christians, to start with. I do think that peoples idea of “The Christian World” is really very Euro-and-US-centric, in a very distorted way.

45 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 8:21:47pm

On another note to anyone who is visiting Las Vegas and happens to be a history buff, I HIGHLY recommend the Clark County Museum in Boulder City. It’s curated by Mark Hall-Patton, better known as the Hat and beard wearing appraiser often seen on Pawn Stars.

The Museum costs only TWO DOLLARS to visit and they have a lot of cool stuff there.

My wife and I actually decided to go after visiting the Pawn shop from Pawn Stars and meeting Mr. Hall-Patton himself, who was there doing autographs. We even got a pic with him.

46 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 8:21:59pm

re: #43 William Barnett-Lewis

Nice. Taken on the move while crossing the new bridge I presume?

You got it.

47 HappyWarrior  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 8:23:15pm

re: #44 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Meh. A lot of the Evangelical churches will reject Catholics as not being Christians, to start with. I do think that peoples idea of “The Christian World” is really very Euro-and-US-centric, in a very distorted way.

I’d go a step further and say it’s Western European centric. I’m honestly shocked that there were large numbers of people who believed that Czechs were Chechen and thus Muslim majority. Hell one of the most beautiful cathedrals I’ve ever been to was in Prague, St. Vitus.

48 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 8:23:24pm

re: #39 ProBosniaLiberal

It’s really ironic in my dad’s case. Again, the Dutch and German wouldn’t assimilate until WWI. And his family from the Frisian region were already here for 2-3 generations when that happened.

My dad has all the self-awareness of a teacup.

Yes, but even so Germans didn’t tend to face the level of discrimination as others, in part because they were far more likely to arrive in the US with useful skills, which meant they could command higher wages.

In Chicago, guns also played a minor role. Riverview, an amusement park on Chicago’s North Side near Western Avenue, actually began its life as an gathering place with the name of Sharpshooter’s Park, for the weekly rifle shoots held there. Mostly held for sport, they also served as a warning to any nativist mobs that no easy prey would be found in the German community.

49 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 8:23:25pm

The other impressive thing about that picture: I took it with my cell phone (Galaxy SIII). Amazing that phones can do such great photos now.

50 klys  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 8:25:04pm

Argh. They announced dates for the newest class for the community emergency response team (certification to help in cases of local hazards that can overwhelm first responders which in my area means earthquakes) and I am out of town at a wedding during one week. Can’t miss a single class.

Oh well. Maybe this fall.

51 HappyWarrior  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 8:25:59pm

re: #39 ProBosniaLiberal

It’s really ironic in my dad’s case. Again, the Dutch and German wouldn’t assimilate until WWI. And his family from the Frisian region were already here for 2-3 generations when that happened.

My dad has all the self-awareness of a teacup.

I dunno. As I said, my grandfather’s folks were from the region that got quotas in 1924 because people stupidly linked Eastern European immigrants with communism. I think while I know my grandfather realized how difficult it was for his grandparents to assimilate that he didn’t realize that many of the new immigrants face the same problems. Honestly, I don’t like know nothing attitudes on immigration because I know damn well that my ancestors got shit from natvist assholes when they came here and I’ve also struggled learning a new language before too.

52 klys  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 8:26:14pm

Also, seriously, why is the decluttering class only offered to adults 50 years and over? That’s bullshit.

53 jaunte  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 8:26:26pm

re: #49 Eclectic Cyborg

Here’s one looking back the other way, shot last October:
Image: DSC01035.jpg

54 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 8:27:40pm

re: #40 Dark_Falcon

To be fair, though, many evangelical denominations do maintain active ties to their African counterparts, and provide them charitable support. So the percentage of US Christians who would reject African Christians is likely a great deal lower than you might think.

Eh, not just the evangelicals. There’s a bunch of Churches in the Anglican Communion over there and they & us are connected at the hips with fighting over liberal/conservative religion especially as it is shaped by homosexual issues. Rome is reasonably strong in those countries as well.

No, the bigger problem is that secular society sees no reason to care one whit about what’s going on in Africa unless something like the “vulture stalking a toddler” image comes along and shocks them with it’s horror, but still only for an hour or a day. And even then, god forbid it should cost them in their taxes… Feh.

55 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 8:27:58pm

re: #53 jaunte

Here’s one looking back the other way, shot last October:
Image: DSC01035.jpg

Cool. I’m actually amazed that with my fear of heights I was able to handle that bridge in the first place!

56 Joanne  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 8:29:50pm

re: #21 Kragar

My thoughts and prayers to you and yours.

57 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 8:30:46pm

re: #44 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Meh. A lot of the Evangelical churches will reject Catholics as not being Christians, to start with. I do think that peoples idea of “The Christian World” is really very Euro-and-US-centric, in a very distorted way.

That has less to do with ethnicity and far more to do with Protestant hostility to Catholicism, which is based on points of contention going all the way back to Martin Luther. A good number African evangelical denominations also preach a literalist interpretation of the Bible, so its not just the US. At its root, its about concern that interpretation of the Bible will be done to the advantage of those doing the interpreting.

58 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 8:31:12pm

re: #48 Dark_Falcon

Yes, but even so Germans didn’t tend to face the level of discrimination as others, in part because they were far more likely to arrive in the US with useful skills, which meant they could command higher wages.

German Catholics still caught a lot of grief. My wife’s swiss relations can tell you about burning Klan crosses in the 1920~30’s Wisconsin.

59 klys  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 8:32:36pm

I contribute my shot from out one of the inspection holes inside the dam. Here. Bridge in progress, as you can see.

60 HappyWarrior  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 8:33:13pm

re: #58 William Barnett-Lewis

German Catholics still caught a lot of grief. My wife’s swiss relations can tell you about burning Klan crosses in the 1920~30’s Wisconsin.

Wow in Wisconsin. I thought everyone was German in Wisconsin. I’m kidding. Anyhow, as far as I know my German relatives never got harassed in Pennsylvania but I do remember reading that during WWI that a man was lynched for simply speaking the German language.

61 klys  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 8:34:05pm

re: #60 HappyWarrior

Wow in Wisconsin. I thought everyone was German in Wisconsin. I’m kidding. Anyhow, as far as I know my German relatives never got harassed in Pennsylvania but I do remember reading that during WWI that a man was lynched for simply speaking the German language.

Pfft, no, there’s Scandinavians too.

62 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 8:34:09pm

re: #54 William Barnett-Lewis

I know about the Anglicans, actually, but I didn’t mention them because I’d wanted to keep the post short and because I’m tired and waterlogged.

63 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 8:34:43pm

re: #57 Dark_Falcon

That has less to do with ethnicity and far more to do with Protestant hostility to Catholicism, which is based on points of contention going all the way back to Martin Luther. A good number African evangelical denominations also preach a literalist interpretation of the Bible, so its not just the US. At its root, its about concern that interpretation of the Bible will be done to the advantage of those doing the interpreting.

I wasn’t saying it was along ethnic lines, but religious ones— that they’d sincerely believe that, except for the areas their church has missioned or they knew had been missioned— the Christianity might be of a very different kind. And they’d be right. There is a big difference between the older Christian African tradition and the new, Evangelical tradition.

64 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 8:35:58pm

re: #60 HappyWarrior

Wow in Wisconsin. I thought everyone was German in Wisconsin. I’m kidding. Anyhow, as far as I know my German relatives never got harassed in Pennsylvania but I do remember reading that during WWI that a man was lynched for simply speaking the German language.

The “Pennsylvania Dutch” were in place well before the Civil War. Most people in the Keystone State were already accepting of that culture.

65 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 8:36:39pm

re: #61 klys

Pfft, no, there’s Scandinavians too.

And lots of us New England Yankees originally from Wales & England.

66 klys  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 8:36:41pm

Torture is listening to your neighbors’ air conditioner compressors running through your open doors/windows because you don’t have one.

Ok, not really, but it feels like it.

67 HappyWarrior  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 8:36:51pm

re: #61 klys

Pfft, no, there’s Scandinavians too.

Heh I know, I know. I always thought it was sort of amusing how the Scandinavian immigrants went in large numbers to places similar to their home countries but then again, Western Pa is kind of like the Central European region my mom’s grandparents were from.

68 ProBosniaLiberal  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 8:37:43pm

re: #51 HappyWarrior

I have friends who are immigrants, and I tend to go bleeding heart (I think it is a good thing), which gets me stressed with family, then :(.

69 HappyWarrior  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 8:38:04pm

re: #64 Dark_Falcon

The “Pennsylvania Dutch” were in place well before the Civil War. Most people in the Keystone State were already accepting of that culture.

I’m aware but my Dad’s people were German Catholics. Even in Pa which has a history going back to the time of Billy Penn of being a welcoming state, there was a hostility to Catholics.

70 HappyWarrior  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 8:39:00pm

re: #68 ProBosniaLiberal

I have friends who are immigrants, and I tend to go bleeding heart (I think it is a good thing), which gets me stressed with family, then :(.

Shit, I’ve lost count of how many friends and classmates I’ve known that were immigrants. Everyone from Russians to El Salvadorians and Cambodians.

71 dragonath  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 8:39:07pm

There were more than a few Polish Protestants, called Masurians. A lot of them ended up in Germany.

re: #60 HappyWarrior

I’ve heard stories, and I’m from the area. Keep in mind, some cities, like Allentown, were German majority speaking cities until WWI. I’ve always wondered if the Freedom Fries level of hysteria was why there was such a political wave in 1920.

72 klys  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 8:39:42pm

re: #67 HappyWarrior

Heh I know, I know. I always thought it was sort of amusing how the Scandinavian immigrants went in large numbers to places similar to their home countries but then again, Western Pa is kind of like the Central European region my mom’s grandparents were from.

That being said, there’s a fantastic German restaurant not too far from my grandparents’. And my mom’s maiden name might be pretty German. But my grandmother’s maiden name is very Danish. And if you go back far enough (she’s into geneaology), the story goes that Hans Hansen got his name because while my greatx? grandmother was pregnant with him, her husband (his father) died in a mining accident (drunk elevator lowered the car into a flooded mine shaft). So after he was born, at the baptism when they asked for his name, she cried out “Hans, oh Hans” calling for her husband. And that’s how he became Hans Hansen.

To be fair, I think that was in Michigan. But the house in WI has been in the family for close to 100 years at this point.

73 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 8:40:37pm

re: #62 Dark_Falcon

I know about the Anglicans, actually, but I didn’t mention them because I’d wanted to keep the post short and because I’m tired and waterlogged.

S’ok, it just pops up for me because I run into it fairly often. We’re a really fracturous and squabbling family of churches but that’s how we’ve been since the Elizabethan Settlement so I don’t know why we’d change now ;)

You know how you can tell an Anglican/Episcopalian? Just say “May the force be with you” and they will reply “and also with you” … LOL!

74 klys  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 8:41:07pm

re: #73 William Barnett-Lewis

S’ok, it just pops up for me because I run into it fairly often. We’re a really fracturous and squabbling family of churches but that’s how we’ve been since the Elizabethan Settlement so I don’t know why we’d change now ;)

You know how you can tell an Anglican/Episcopalian? Just say “May the force be with you” and they will reply “and also with you” … LOL!

Actually, I think that works with Methodists too.

75 HappyWarrior  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 8:42:38pm

re: #72 klys

That being said, there’s a fantastic German restaurant not too far from my grandparents’. And my mom’s maiden name might be pretty German. But my grandmother’s maiden name is very Danish. And if you go back far enough (she’s into geneaology), the story goes that Hans Hansen got his name because while my greatx? grandmother was pregnant with him, her husband (his father) died in a mining accident (drunk elevator lowered the car into a flooded mine shaft). So after he was born, at the baptism when they asked for his name, she cried out “Hans, oh Hans” calling for her husband. And that’s how he became Hans Hansen.

To be fair, I think that was in Michigan. But the house in WI has been in the family for close to 100 years at this point.

Names are crazy like that. I’ve seen census records and my grandfather’s surname was a totally different one than that he ended up using. Saw obituaries of his brothers and sisters with that original name too. He always claimed a teacher changed it which made no senes to me. What I think likely happened was that a teacher anglicized it and he just went along with it.

76 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 8:43:19pm

re: #74 klys

Actually, I think that works with Methodists too.

The Wesley’s were good Anglican boys ;)

77 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 8:43:36pm

re: #21 Kragar

Well, I’m back. Not really in a bantering mood. The last 5 days have been hell.

A month ago, my Dad was a healthy 72 year old motorcycle mechanic, planning to go on crosscountry bike rides across multiple states cover thousands of miles. Today, he’s a shell of himself and can’t even get to the bathroom without support. Last night, he collapsed again and we had to rush him to the ER and he’s on blood thinners now to reduce clotting. Some of the doctors’ and specialists think we may have grounds for a negligence lawsuit against some of his primary care providers, but we can’t even think about that right now.

Right now, I can’t help shake the feeling that I saw my Dad alive for the last time today.

The last time I saw my mom alive, I told her I loved her, first time I had done that in decades, got in the car and drove away. The first corner I took, about a km from the house, I stopped the car, hung my head and cried. The feeling it was the last time I would see her was over whelming.

She lived for about another month and a half, but because of one thing or another I never made it back up to see her.

As I’ve said before, I regret that horribly.

If you have any chance at all, see your dad again.

78 HappyWarrior  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 8:44:16pm

re: #71 dragonath

There were more than a few Polish Protestants, called Masurians. A lot of them ended up in Germany.

I’ve heard stories, and I’m from the area. Keep in mind, some cities, like Allentown, were German majority speaking cities until WWI. I’ve always wondered if the Freedom Fries level of hysteria was why there was such a political wave in 1920.

I’m sure you’ve heard about how sauerkraut was renamed liberty cabbage. Did not know that about Allentown. I assume that my dad’s family did all right. G-grandfather was from Germany but he came here as a little kid and I highly doubt had an accent. Plus they lived in Pittsburgh and Pittsburgh’s favorite baseball player was Honus Wagner and you really can’t get any more German than that name.

79 klys  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 8:44:48pm

re: #75 HappyWarrior

Reading through your quote of my typing, it becomes apparent that what I meant to say was “drunk elevator operator” and I did that thing where occasionally words don’t make it to the fingers.

Oops.

Names were a much more fluid thing back in the day. It’s funny. I’m not a direct descendent of the Hans Hansen, so it’s more just family lore than anything else, but it was definitely interesting to hear.

More relevant to me is the history of post-menopausal breast cancer that gets passed down through that line. :/ I’m not looking forward to that phone call from my mother.

80 klys  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 8:45:19pm

re: #76 William Barnett-Lewis

The Wesley’s were good Anglican boys ;)

Who could seriously write some lyrics.

81 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 8:47:31pm

re: #73 William Barnett-Lewis

S’ok, it just pops up for me because I run into it fairly often. We’re a really fracturous and squabbling family of churches but that’s how we’ve been since the Elizabethan Settlement so I don’t know why we’d change now ;)

You know how you can tell an Anglican/Episcopalian? Just say “May the force be with you” and they will reply “and also with you” … LOL!

These days, Catholics would reply “And with your spirit.”, I change I originally was taken aback by, but that I approved of once I understood the desire for authenticity and connection with the Latin Mass that prompted it.

82 HappyWarrior  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 8:47:51pm

re: #79 klys

Reading through your quote of my typing, it becomes apparent that what I meant to say was “drunk elevator operator” and I did that thing where occasionally words don’t make it to the fingers.

Oops.

Names were a much more fluid thing back in the day. It’s funny. I’m not a direct descendent of the Hans Hansen, so it’s more just family lore than anything else, but it was definitely interesting to hear.

More relevant to me is the history of post-menopausal breast cancer that gets passed down through that line. :/ I’m not looking forward to that phone call from my mother.

Yeah I guess you’re right that they were more flexible with names in those days. I suppose it’s because there weren’t as many IDs for everything like there is now. That probably made it easy to change one’s name at ease. Sucks about the genetics but at least you know. Heart murmurs run on my mom’s dad’s side and we found out I had my condition by checking if I had one when I wanted to go out for football my freshman year of HS.

83 klys  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 8:51:43pm

I always try to remember to tell my family and friends I love them because you never know when a conversation is the last one. We might feel it more when it becomes apparent with illness, but things like car accidents don’t advertise they’re coming.

I don’t want that regret on my conscience.

84 CuriousLurker  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 8:52:09pm

re: #21 Kragar

I’m sorry about your pain and your dad’s illness. {{Kragar}}

85 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 8:53:00pm

re: #81 Dark_Falcon

These days, Catholics would reply “And with your spirit.”, I change I originally was taken aback by, but that I approved of once I understood the desire for authenticity and connection with the Latin Mass that prompted it.

Eh, I’ve read good arguments in favor of both translations. The Book of Common Prayer tradition was “And with thy spirit” untll the 1979 prayer book. The change, ironically, was prompted by the usage in the 1969 Mass of Paul VI.

86 HappyWarrior  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 8:53:03pm

re: #83 klys

I always try to remember to tell my family and friends I love them because you never know when a conversation is the last one. We might feel it more when it becomes apparent with illness, but things like car accidents don’t advertise they’re coming.

I don’t want that regret on my conscience.

Too true. That’s why it’s important to live each day in a great way.

87 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 8:55:07pm

re: #58 William Barnett-Lewis

German Catholics still caught a lot of grief. My wife’s swiss relations can tell you about burning Klan crosses in the 1920~30’s Wisconsin.

Also in PA in the same time period.

roadsideamerica.com

88 Stanley Sea  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 8:55:32pm

re: #21 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Sorry Kragar.

89 Stanley Sea  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 9:06:48pm

Night all.

90 austin_blue  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 9:30:25pm

re: #89 Stanley Sea

Night all.

Me too. Sweet scaly dreams to all the Lizardim!

91 wrenchwench  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 9:38:13pm

re: #21 Kragar

{{{Kragar}}}

92 klys  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 9:39:43pm

We are passing into the quiet lull of the evening, otherwise known as where the night owls on the West Coast play with the input of our Asian and European lizards.

In other news, I am bored.

93 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 9:48:22pm

re: #21 Kragar

(((Kragar))) and family.

94 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 9:52:51pm

re: #92 klys

Pokes, gently…

95 klys  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 9:53:18pm

re: #94 Dancing along the light of day

Pokes, gently…

Hooray, someone else is awake.

96 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 9:54:15pm

Aw, foo. My kitchen sink is clogged. I am not going to deal with this at 10 minutes to midnight; that’s a bit too Bulletin of Atomic Scientists if you get my drift. I’ll deal with it in the morning once my son is off to school.

97 klys  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 9:55:31pm

re: #96 William Barnett-Lewis

Aw, foo. My kitchen sink is clogged. I am not going to deal with this at 10 minutes to midnight; that’s a bit too Bulletin of Atomic Scientists if you get my drift. I’ll deal with it in the morning once my son is off to school.

Better the kitchen sink than the sewer connection. That necessitates a call to the plumbers (x2!) because the cleanout valve is through the roof and they can’t do that solo.

Why yes, I do know what the plumbers’ evening/holiday rate is, why do you ask?

98 klys  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 9:58:06pm

You know, I think I didn’t appreciate CNN’s coverage of the manhunt sufficiently until I heard Jon Stewart’s cut of it.

I’m going to be over in the corner dying now. Of laughter.

99 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 9:59:05pm

re: #97 klys

Why yes, I do know what the plumbers’ evening/holiday rate is, why do you ask?

Been there & done that, though for a different plumbing problem. We bought our own snake after a couple of calls.

100 klys  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 10:00:43pm

re: #99 William Barnett-Lewis

Been there & done that, thought for a different plumbing problem. We bought our own snake after a couple of calls.

We have the snake, but it doesn’t go quite far enough down into the sewer line, if you catch my drift.

It’s always while he’s doing laundry. Always. Last time, we got to scrub the shower, the bathtub, and the master bathroom floor since it came up around the toilet.

Of course now we’ve established that it needs to be done roughly every 9 months or so, so hopefully we can schedule the next one.

101 Gus  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 10:10:34pm
102 klys  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 10:11:14pm

Hey Gus, how’s your ankle doing?

103 Gus  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 10:14:22pm

re: #102 klys

Hey Gus, how’s your ankle doing?

Crazy like.

104 klys  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 10:17:39pm

re: #103 Gus

Crazy like.

Sorry to hear that. :( Unless that is crazy in a good way, but I am going to assume not so much.

105 Gus  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 10:19:56pm

re: #104 klys

Sorry to hear that. :( Unless that is crazy in a good way, but I am going to assume not so much.

It sucks. Sometimes I cry. But hey. That’s life.

106 Gus  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 10:21:34pm

I can’t walk. Well, I can walk but it’s really hard.

107 klys  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 10:26:27pm

re: #105 Gus

It sucks. Sometimes I cry. But hey. That’s life.

I’ve been around long enough to know that sometimes life is really crappy. Still doesn’t mean I like it.

If there’s something we can do, will you say so? I realize that category won’t necessarily encompass much, but I can provide distractions and cat pictures.

108 Gus  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 10:30:06pm

re: #107 klys

I’ve been around long enough to know that sometimes life is really crappy. Still doesn’t mean I like it.

If there’s something we can do, will you say so? I realize that category won’t necessarily encompass much, but I can provide distractions and cat pictures.

Thanks. Spent most of the night trying to reset my heater. Put an Ace bandage on it and if feels better. I don’t know. It’s kind of weird dealing with this online. Just glad I have some work to take my mind of it. That’s all I want. Work.

109 klys  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 10:33:26pm

re: #108 Gus

Thanks. Spent most of the night trying to reset my heater. Put an Ace bandage on it and if feels better. I don’t know. It’s kind of weird dealing with this online. Just glad I have some work to take my mind of it. That’s all I want. Work.

If I had some to offer and/or lived locally enough to actually help out, I would. I deal with most of my friends and family these days long distance so that part seems …normal to me? I suck at the whole making friends thing so I make friends occasionally and then keep them and then move. It’s easier online. I don’t know.

But still. If nothing else, I am active later and can at least have a conversation.

111 Gus  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 10:38:15pm

Religion is dead.

112 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 10:47:07pm

re: #111 Gus

Religion is dead.

spectator.co.uk

But what do I know? I go to a funny looking old building and kneel down every sunday so my mind is obviously weak…

113 Gus  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 10:51:15pm

There is no faith. God is dead.

114 Gus  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 10:53:28pm

I see I’m still dealing with creationists;.

115 klys  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 10:58:26pm

You know, I really hate the binary.

There is a space between believes in religion and is a complete creationist and thinks there is no God/religion is evil. Some people even live in that space.

One side denies the value of science. The other side denies the value of spirituality in people’s lives.

I prefer to acknowledge the role both play, even if it’s somewhat different for me.

116 simoom  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 11:07:03pm

Anti-drone crusader & libertarian hero Rand Paul on what he apparently sees as a reasonable penalty for robbing $50 from a liquor store:

blog.foreignpolicy.com

“I’ve never argued against any technology being used when you have an imminent threat, an active crime going on. If someone comes out of a liquor store with a weapon and fifty dollars in cash. I don’t care if a drone kills him or a policeman kills him.”

Summary execution by drone.

This actually isn’t that surprising if you look at the legislation he and Sen. Cruz introduced when he engaged in his filibuster stunt:

“The Federal Government may not use a drone to kill a citizen of the United States who is located in the United States. The prohibition under this subsection shall not apply to an individual who poses an imminent threat of death or serious bodily injury to another individual. Nothing in this section shall be construed to suggest that the Constitution would otherwise allow the killing of a citizen of the United States in the United States without due process of law.”

117 klys  Tue, Apr 23, 2013 11:35:14pm

Watching tonight’s Jon Stewart and the segment on gun control in US versus Australia, my main thought is: a friend is moving to Australia for her postdoc for 3 years and I am kind of jealous. Man, I’d like a politician who’s willing to stand up for what is right (and to be clear, I am talking about universal background checks, which I hope is not controversial here) and not just what is politically expedient.

118 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 12:18:28am

re: #115 klys

Part of it comes from failing to teach people what science is and how it works.

Yes, Evolution through natural selection is just a “theory”. A scientific theory. A lot of people fail to understand what a scientific theory is, namely a hypothesis supported and confirmed by facts.
In the case of Evolution, facts from nearly every branch of science from geology to genetics.
Problem is, if you insist on a literal interpretation of the Book of Genesis, you have to reject science, and even logic, as there are two partially contradictory versions of Genesis in the Bible.
QED: There is no arguing with these morans, one can only hope to limit the amount of damage they can do to education and society.
Unfortunately, there are a lot of cynical bastards who know better but are perfectly willing to use these idiots to advance their own agendas.

119 klys  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 12:30:34am

re: #118 Sol Berdinowitz

So that’s one extreme. What about the other extreme, which will deny that spirituality in whatever form it manifests plays any part in the human experience?

I am as against teaching creationism in schools as anyone. I don’t believe in intelligent design or whatever we feel like calling it today. I also acknowledge that we can have a conversation about the awe that can be inspired so much outside of what we know without referring to the ‘magical sky fairy’ or whatever other insulting terminology you* want to use to describe people’s faith and beliefs, however you choose to view them privately. To assert otherwise it to paint people with the same binary brush that says either you are against Islam Christianity (or religion of choice) or you are pro-Muslim terrorism creationism.

* I should clarify: the you here is generic and not the person I am replying to.

120 freetoken  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 1:04:14am

re: #113 Gus

There is no faith. God is dead.

Channeling Nietzsche these days?

121 freetoken  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 1:10:04am
122 Targetpractice  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 1:11:57am

re: #120 freetoken

Channeling Nietzsche these days?

“God is dead.” - Nietzsche
“Nietzsche is dead.” - God

123 freetoken  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 1:25:05am

re: #122 Targetpractice

“God is dead.” - Nietzsche
“Nietzsche is dead.” - God

Trotted out by every Campus Crusade for Christ acolyte as part of their mandatory gimmick.

124 Targetpractice  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 1:31:39am

re: #123 freetoken

Trotted out by every Campus Crusade for Christ acolyte as part of their mandatory gimmick.

Eh, it’s catchy, what can I say.

125 freetoken  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 2:27:45am

Nasty, nasty ACLU:

Hugoton school official: ACLU bullying district

Unsatisfied with a Hugoton superintendent’s explanation of school events involving a creationist speaker, a civil liberties group is seeking public records from his district.

Hugoton USD 210 allowed Matt Miles, of the Oklahoma-based Creation Truth Foundation, to speak at three school assemblies this week on the topic of dinosaurs.
The ACLU of Kansas and Western Missouri protested, calling the assemblies unconstitutional.

Hugoton Superintendent Mark Crawford said the events, which took place Monday and Tuesday, weren’t about creationism, and that the ACLU had sought to intimidate the district into canceling them.

Crawford, who was principal of Berryton Elementary School in Shawnee Heights USD 450 from 2003 to 2007, said he had a duty to show his students “how to handle a bully.” The events with Miles proceeded as planned.

“He helped the kids to think like a paleontologist — how dinos are named, excavated, where they are found,” Crawford said of the assemblies.


[…]

Hmmm…. “He helped the kids to think like a paleontologist.”

Well, let’s go to the Creation Truth website, where their featured articles include “Darwin was wrong”, and what is the top of the front page article that they are promoting?

History of the Founders Regarding Non-Christians as Office Holders


Which is an article that expressly states that non-Christians should not be allowed to hold high public office.

But, these people help “the kids to think like a paleontologist”, which apparently means Darwin was wrong, so I guess their explicit theocracy doesn’t matter.

126 sugikoi  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 2:33:55am

Religion with the literal intentions of the founders of all the current ones - at least until LDS - is over. No one living in a modern world believes God puts your cell phone call through or holds up an airplane. It does not mean there is not a God or that the founding texts are not elastic enough to hold onto the faithful. Just that the literal belief of God that was held is no longer tenable. Which is why religion as it has been is indeed dying and spirituality is rising for the faithful and atheism for the faithless (or those with faith in science)

127 freetoken  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 2:43:27am

The superintendent goes on:

“On paper he’s not going to stand out to the scientific community. I understand that,” Crawford said of Miles’ background. “As a communicator, he’s excellent.”

He said students could choose not to attend the assemblies.

In addition to the assemblies, Miles held evening talks in Hugoton on school property, which Crawford said were about creationism.

[…]

So, because the creationist is a good speaker - that is the reason to have him.

Apologists by nature are talkers, trained in the profession of using words to convince others.

This is insight in the general nature of how people make all sorts of decisions on what is “true” - the ability of others to use words, the ultimate form of magick, to convince them of it.

The central tenet of modernity is that science, which comes from a word that means “knowledge”, is demonstrable outside of the human ability to use words. The idea of testing hypotheses and replication of tests stands against pure oratory and what separates modern ideas of “knowledge” from those of religions from antiquity.

Additionally, the use of the daytime talks on dinosaur bones was nothing more than a way for Miles to establish his alleged credibility for the real reason he traveled to the town - to do his evening evangelism.

That the school superintendent would either lack the integrity or more likely the insight into the schemes of apologists is not surprising, yet these things happen across the US all the time.

128 freetoken  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 2:49:09am

Ut’s 2:50 AM, which is a good time for some oboe.

Molik:

129 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 3:41:57am

re: #119 klys

There are those who accept nothing that cannot be measured or objectified. Which is a shame, they are missing a lot.

But, like yourself, I agree that public schools should only teach science that is objective and measurable, and leave subjective, spiritual and faith-related matters to the private sphere.

And no rational person is for “banning religion from public life”, they are just against having it subsidized by taxpayers.

130 sugikoi  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 4:30:11am

re: #129 Sol Berdinowitz

There are those who accept nothing that cannot be measured or objectified. Which is a shame, they are missing a lot.

But, like yourself, I agree that public schools should only teach science that is objective and measurable, and leave subjective, spiritual and faith-related matters to the private sphere.

And no rational person is for “banning religion from public life”, they are just against having it subsidized by taxpayers.

Isn’t the likelier position among agnostics and even atheists that there are those who suspend judgment on things that cannot remeasured and refuse to substitute that judgement with stories.

131 sugikoi  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 4:30:34am

…cannot be measured…

132 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 4:31:16am

re: #129 Sol Berdinowitz

There are those who accept nothing that cannot be measured or objectified. Which is a shame, they are missing a lot.

There are virtually zero people like that. Statistically, anyway.

133 Decatur Deb  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 4:34:24am

re: #132 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

There are virtually zero people like that. Statistically, anyway.

True, but it’s a good philosophical goal. (And you can’t believe in statistics either—the devil is in the confidence interval.)

134 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 4:36:12am

Good morning Lizardia!

Any trolls grilled for breakfast?

135 Decatur Deb  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 4:37:28am

re: #134 Vicious Babushka

Good morning Lizardia!

Any trolls grilled for breakfast?

‘Morning. Sort of hoping Buck made it through. We need him, for our sins.

136 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 4:39:59am

Triangle Shirtwaist Disaster #2,786 Bangaldesh Edition

137 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 4:41:26am

WITH RIGHT-TO-WORK AND DEREGULATION AND CRUSH TEH YOONYUNZ THE LAW IN EVERY STATE, OUTSOURCED GARMENT INDUSTRY JRRBZ WILL COME BACK TO MURICA!!11!!!1

138 Decatur Deb  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 4:41:55am

re: #136 Vicious Babushka

Triangle Shirtwaist Disaster #2,786 Bangaldesh Edition

But we need those $1.98 tube socks.

139 thedopefishlives  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 4:48:35am

re: #134 Vicious Babushka

Good morning Lizardia!

Any trolls grilled for breakfast?

Morning all. I see our troll from last night is still up derping in the dead threads. How go things elsewhere in the war on derp?

140 Decatur Deb  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 4:49:39am

re: #139 thedopefishlives

Morning all. I see our troll from last night is still up derping in the dead threads. How go things elsewhere in the war on derp?

Bloody slog, one meme at a time.

141 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 4:51:35am

Good morning lizards!

What do you make of this?

142 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 4:52:00am

re: #139 thedopefishlives

Morning all. I see our troll from last night is still up derping in the dead threads. How go things elsewhere in the war on derp?

Twitter wingnuts still Derping over BENGHAZI!!11!!!1!! Nothing else has happened that matters so much to them.

143 thedopefishlives  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 4:52:14am

re: #141 NJDhockeyfan

Good morning lizards!

What do you make of this?

Could be any number of things. Heck, at a mercantile building, for all we know it could be boxes of old orange Fiestaware.

144 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 4:53:07am
145 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 4:53:25am

morning all! It appears that Ohio River Valley is today’s mega-water-from-the-sky target. Looking at radar, the leading edge of the storm should hit here any time now.

146 thedopefishlives  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 4:54:22am

re: #145 Backwoods_Sleuth

morning all! It appears that Ohio River Valley is today’s mega-water-from-the-sky target. Looking at radar, the leading edge of the storm should hit here any time now.

The Mighty Mississippi is getting slammed this year, from top to bottom. Things are going to get interesting downstream of us.

147 Decatur Deb  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 4:55:44am

re: #143 thedopefishlives

Could be any number of things. Heck, at a mercantile building, for all we know it could be boxes of old orange Fiestaware.

Photographer’s anti-static brush (polonium).
Nuclear medicine patient forgot to flush the john.
Concrete rebar from Mexico was made with a recycled cesium source.
Osama Bin Dead’s son is hiding in the airconditioning with a backpack nuke.

148 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 4:57:29am

EAT A BAG OF DICKS BRYAN

149 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 4:58:20am

re: #144 Vicious Babushka

That is unfortunate. Funerals are not for the dead but for those left behind.

150 freetoken  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 4:58:45am

re: #147 Decatur Deb

Perhaps a room full of Brazil nuts.

151 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 4:59:02am

re: #146 thedopefishlives

The Mighty Mississippi is getting slammed this year, from top to bottom. Things are going to get interesting downstream of us.

I remember the big flood of 1993. My fire department went to Oquawka, Illinois, to help with the recovery effort. Left a lasting impression on me and a healthy respect for the power of water.

152 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 5:00:33am

re: #149 William Barnett-Lewis

That is unfortunate. Funerals are not for the dead but for those left behind.

I seem to recall the bodies of Nancy and Adam Lanza were cremated without services.

153 thedopefishlives  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 5:00:34am

re: #151 Backwoods_Sleuth

I remember the big flood of 1993. My fire department went to Oquawka, Illinois, to help with the recovery effort. Left a lasting impression on me and a healthy respect for the power of water.

I was a bit young at the time, but I remember the news. The Great River slows nor stops for no one.

154 Decatur Deb  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 5:03:04am

re: #150 freetoken

Perhaps a room full of Brazil nuts.

Rad source?

155 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 5:04:25am

Teh Derp is starting about this news story:

Tamerlan Tsarnaev received MA welfare benefits

Marathon bombings mastermind Tamerlan Tsarnaev was living on taxpayer-funded state welfare benefits even as he was delving deep into the world of radical anti-American Islamism, the Herald has learned.

State officials confirmed last night that Tsarnaev, slain in a raging gun battle with police last Friday, was receiving benefits along with his wife, Katherine Russell Tsarnaev, and their 3-year-old daughter. The state’s Executive Office of Health and Human Services said those benefits ended in 2012 when the couple stopped meeting income eligibility limits.

HE WAS DRIVING A MERCEDES AND WEARING LOUIS VUITTON!!11!!

156 freetoken  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 5:05:23am

re: #154 Decatur Deb

Rad source?

Noted for high radium levels.

157 Decatur Deb  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 5:07:53am

re: #156 freetoken

Noted for high radium levels.

I’ve got a WWII aerial camera lens that would set off a decent alarm. So would the keychain one of my kids gave me:

dudeiwantthat.com

158 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 5:09:54am

re: #155 Vicious Babushka

Why didn’t the government soothsayers know that he was going to commit this act and so deny him welfare? What do we waste money on tyromancers for, anyway?

159 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 5:17:34am

re: #158 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Why didn’t the government soothsayers know that he was going to commit this act and so deny him welfare? What do we waste money on tyromancers for, anyway?

NO WELFARE FOR TEH MOOCHERS BUT SPESHULLY NO WELFARE FOR TEH MOOSLIM MOOCHERS!!1111!!!!TY

160 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 5:18:40am

Never mind…false flag positive detected…

161 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 5:28:36am

*DERP*
*FAIL*
*FACE PALM*

162 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 5:34:18am

re: #161 Vicious Babushka

So gun-toting is a bad thing now?

163 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 5:35:38am

re: #162 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

So gun-toting is a bad thing now?

Apparently so, if it is Squirt-gun toting while Saudi. Also, from the perspective in that photo, that’s someone else toting the squirter, not the “Person of Interest”

164 A Mom Anon  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 5:36:30am

re: #162 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

I also have the sneaking suspicion that there are photos out there of FLOTUS visiting more than just this dude in the hospital. But hey wingnuts, waste your lives on more hate, it’s SOOOOOO good for your health.

165 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 5:39:24am

I noticed this. Our weird spacebar troll is also creepy and stalkerish.

166 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 5:39:33am

AP’s twitter account is back up. The hacked tweet is still there.

167 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 6:00:25am

NY Daily News is reporting that the Boston bombers obtained fireworks from the same store that sold fireworks to the Times Square bomber.

Boston Marathon bomber Tamerlan Tsarnaev walked into a New Hampshire fireworks store two months before his deadly attack and asked for the “biggest and loudest” kit — then got another set for free, the Daily News has learned.
In a chilling twist, the company that sold Tamerlan the fireworks is the same one that sold Times Square bomber Faisal Shahzad the firecrackers he used to build his failed car bomb.

The fireworks Tsarnaev bought contained about 3 pounds of black powder — enough, experts say, to build one of the two pressure-cooker bombs he triggered at the Boston Marathon on April 15.

“We were just shocked,” said Bill Weimer, vice president of Phantom Fireworks in Seabrook, N.H. “After our Times Square experience, we said, ‘It can’t happen twice.’ ”

168 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 6:03:20am

Four states completely ban consumer fireworks, including NJ, NY, and MA. NH has more lax laws, which is why someone would go there for fireworks. Same with PA. Proximity to Boston would make some stores more likely to be used, but it’s still a pretty grim coincidence that the same store is used to obtain materials used in two separate terror plots.

169 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 6:05:16am

re: #167 lawhawk

NY Daily News is reporting that the Boston bombers obtained fireworks from the same store that sold fireworks to the Times Square bomber.

I’ve bought those same fireworks before but never used them to make bombs.

170 ProBosniaLiberal  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 6:16:38am

I wonder if Jamaat-i-Islami bombed the building that collapsed in Bangladesh?

171 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 6:17:39am

re: #170 ProBosniaLiberal

I wonder if Jamaat-i-Islami bombed the building that collapsed in Bangladesh?

It was the ultimate result of Ayn Rand unregulated free market greed.

172 Decatur Deb  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 6:25:41am

re: #170 ProBosniaLiberal

I wonder if Jamaat-i-Islami bombed the building that collapsed in Bangladesh?

You should review some of your less fortunate posts to understand that it is hard to tell if that is sarc or not. Really need to work on that.

173 iossarian  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 6:26:02am

re: #162 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

So gun-toting is a bad thing now?

I think it’s an American take on sarcasm.

174 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 6:28:11am

re: #170 ProBosniaLiberal

Nope. Not a bombing.

Workers in the building reported seeing cracks in the structure but the owners of the building disregarded the warnings and cajoled the workers to go back into the building. It collapsed in the middle of the morning shift (the building operates its factories 24/7/365 to keep up with demand/output).

The death toll and collapse are due to the factory/building owners greed and refusal to stop the factory floor, even when it was in a dangerous condition.

175 Decatur Deb  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 6:29:18am

re: #174 lawhawk

Nope. Not a bombing.

Workers in the building reported seeing cracks in the structure but the owners of the building disregarded the warnings and cajoled the workers to go back into the building. It collapsed in the middle of the morning shift (the building operates its factories 24/7/365 to keep up with demand/output).

The death toll and collapse are due to the factory/building owners greed and refusal to stop the factory floor, even when it was in a dangerous condition.

Guess they’ve blown the schedule now.

176 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 6:29:55am

re: #175 Decatur Deb

Guess they’ve blown the schedule now.

Shoppers at Walmart will have to pay $0.05 more for T-shirts now!

177 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 6:30:57am
178 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 6:32:06am
179 Stoatly  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 6:32:09am

re: #133 Decatur Deb

True, but it’s a good philosophical goal.

Turing’s non-halting problem/Gödel’s incompleteness theorems put a crimp in that

180 Decatur Deb  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 6:33:21am

re: #177 lawhawk

That, and the Tiller killing, are entirely consistent with the Nazi death camp analogy. “If only someone had bombed the Eagle’s Nest!” Godwin kills.

181 Decatur Deb  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 6:34:40am

re: #179 Stoatly

Turing’s non-halting problem/Gödel’s incompleteness theorems put a crimp in that

Goal=Something you’ll die before you reach.

182 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 6:39:02am

re: #181 Decatur Deb

Goal=Something you’ll die before you reach.

Experience = Something you get right after you needed it.

183 Decatur Deb  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 6:40:19am

re: #182 Eventual Carrion

Experience = Something you get right after you needed it.

“Nature gives the exam first, and then the lesson.”

184 Bulworth  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 6:41:17am
Which is an article that expressly states that non-Christians should not be allowed to hold high public office.

Which is EXACTLY what it says in the Constitution, right here:

Article VI:

but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.

Oh wait….

/

185 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 6:44:38am

re: #184 Bulworth

Which is EXACTLY what it says in the Constitution, right here:

Oh wait….

/

Yeah. You can tell they read/comprehend the Constitution about as well as they read/comprehend their bible.

186 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 6:44:49am

N case you didn’t know, Today is National Pigs-In-A-Blanket Day!

187 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 6:46:30am

re: #174 lawhawk

Nope. Not a bombing.

Workers in the building reported seeing cracks in the structure but the owners of the building disregarded the warnings and cajoled the workers to go back into the building. It collapsed in the middle of the morning shift (the building operates its factories 24/7/365 to keep up with demand/output).

The death toll and collapse are due to the factory/building owners greed and refusal to stop the factory floor, even when it was in a dangerous condition.

But that can’t happen, it’s against rational self-interest for everyone involved! Rand Paul told me so!

188 iossarian  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 6:47:22am

re: #181 Decatur Deb

Goal=Something you’ll die before you reach.

You must be a barrel of laughs at parties!

189 Decatur Deb  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 6:47:43am

re: #187 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

But that can’t happen, it’s against rational self-interest for everyone involved! Rand Paul told me so!

The market has decided, with input from gravity.

190 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 6:58:27am

re: #187 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

But that can’t happen, it’s against rational self-interest for everyone involved! Rand Paul told me so!

The rational self-interest of the factory owners was to keep operating 24/7/365 without regard to the safety of the workers because hey, disposable humans! Plenty more where those came from! But they might get outbid on a Walmart contract by another sweatshop down the block.

191 Bulworth  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 7:04:37am

re: #190 Vicious Babushka

Freedom! Prolife!

/

192 Bubblehead II  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 7:06:08am

Morning Lizards. Idaho has taken another baby step into the 21st century.

Idaho OKs transgender driver’s licenses

BOISE — The Idaho Transportation Department has agreed to new regulations allowing transgender motorists to change the sex designation on their driver’s licenses without a surgeon’s note.

193 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 7:09:28am

re: #21 Kragar

My dad also had a sudden fall from vim and vigor at the age of 76, so I know exactly how you feel. Take care.

194 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 7:16:04am
195 Bulworth  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 7:17:01am

re: #193 wheat-dogghazi

My dad also had a sudden fall from vim and vigor at the age of 76, so I know exactly how you feel. Take care.

Yes. Very sorry to hear, Kragar.

196 Stoatly  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 7:21:25am

re: #186 NJDhockeyfan

N case you didn’t know, Today is National Pigs-In-A-Blanket Day!

More importantly - “April is National Grilled Cheese Month”!

197 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 7:27:33am
198 iossarian  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 7:28:59am

Really sorry to hear about your dad’s situation, Kragar.

I’m facing a potential relocation decision in the next few days - one of the options is to move to the same town as my mother, who is in her late 60s. Things like this make me think that this is the right option - live closer to her while she still has good health and we can do things together.

199 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 7:35:35am

re: #21 Kragar

Dude, just saw your post up-thread and I’m really sorry to hear that. It sucks that your dad’s health has gone downhill so quickly. Hope that his current docs can stabilize his situation. I know from my own family experience that it sometimes takes a serious scare to get someone who ought to know better about their health care and getting prompt and proper treatment to actually go and do what needs to be done (because you can’t force someone to get care if they don’t want it) and recall what you had indicated in earlier comments about your dad resuming his previous level of activity even though doctors warned him to take it easy.

200 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 7:48:42am

Roundup of today’s Derp:

BENGHAZI!!11!!


And this breathtaking idiocy:

201 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 7:51:41am

DERP
“Bad press” from THE BLAZE? Oh please.

202 geoffm33  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 7:52:14am

re: #200 Vicious Babushka

like i’m gonna believe the librul WBZ Boston!!!!

203 kirkspencer  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 7:56:35am

re: #200 Vicious Babushka

Roundup of today’s Derp:


And this breathtaking idiocy:

what, they made a second trip to Boston? If not, it wasn’t “after all the bad press.”

204 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 8:00:22am

After reading about the retail/fast food employees strike in Chicago today I’ve been thinking over the whole issue with minimum wage jobs.

A few months ago, when the idea of a Federal Minimum Wage increase was put forth, one of the arguments I heard against was that the whole idea with a minimum wage job is that the wages would be so lower that the people who work in those positions would become motivated to “move up the ladder” somehow to find a better position that would actually pay a living wage.

I started to think to myself: “If that were true, and minimum wage jobs were purposely designed to NOT pay a living wage, then what would be the point of anybody getting a minimum wage job?”

It then occurred to me that the people making the argument must have assumed that minimum wage jobs should be no more than part time gigs for students, second incomes, the elderly and so forth.

But anybody who has worked low wage employment knows those businesses cannot survive on part time labor alone. They also know that it’s far more than just students, the elderly and second income earners that work in those positions.

The other issue is the whole argument over the minimum wage is only looking at a small component of a much broader problem.

Just because a person makes “above minimum wage” does not automatically mean that person is earning a living wage and able to make ends meet.

Wages across all industries and multiple positions have stagnated for years now. It’s not just the people behind the counter at McDonald’s that are stuck earning a relative pittance.

Unfortunately I don’t expect things to change anytime soon. The corporate interests that fund political campaigns will fight tooth and nail to keep wages low. As long they keep their grip on our politicians, expect the status quo.

205 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 8:01:14am

Prudence is TEH MOST STUPID DERPETTE ON TEH TWITTERZ

If there was a picture EXACTLY LIKE THIS ONE with Obama instead of Reagan, all the wingnuts would be screaming HOW DARE HE DISRESPECT TEH HOLY FLAG BY BLOWING HIS NOSE IN IT!!11!!

206 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 8:03:03am

re: #167 lawhawk

NY Daily News is reporting that the Boston bombers obtained fireworks from the same store that sold fireworks to the Times Square bomber.

So these geniuses paid $200 to get 3lbs of black powder that would have cost ~$60-$85 at Cabela’s?

207 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 8:05:48am
208 kirkspencer  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 8:08:54am

re: #204 Eclectic Cyborg

Context. Minimum wage ($7.25/hr) at 50 weeks of 40 hours per week is $14,500. Of course if you’re at minimum wage the odds you only work 50 weeks is low. On the other hand the odds you get 40 hours from one job is also low - heaven forbid anyone pay mandatory benefits unless they must.

A family of three with both parents working beat the FPL — but they’re less than 150% of FPL, and if both parents are working they’re paying for at least some child care.

209 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 8:09:19am

How Chris Hadfield on the ISS takes those amazing photos:

He’s shooting with a Nikon and up to a 400mm lens. Shot on manual, sunny 16 rule, ~10mb shot.

210 iossarian  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 8:09:44am

re: #206 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

So these geniuses paid $200 to get 3lbs of black powder that would have cost ~$60-$85 at Cabela’s?

But what about the background checks?

/

211 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 8:11:14am

FIRE YOUR HAIRDRESSER

212 Interesting Times  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 8:13:48am

re: #211 Vicious Babushka

FIRE YOUR HAIRDRESSER

Image: Trumpswig.jpg

213 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 8:14:44am

re: #212 Interesting Times

Image: Trumpswig.jpg

LINKY FAIL

214 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 8:15:28am

Morning Lizards!

215 GunstarGreen  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 8:17:55am

re: #204 Eclectic Cyborg

Minimum wage jobs are still jobs that need to be done. The functioning of our society depends upon those jobs being done. They cannot be done solely by children and the elderly, given consumer demands that things be relatively efficient and competent.

An adult is faced with a decision: work a minimum wage job, or be out of work. But in doing the math for the minimum wage job, this adult realizes a few things.

1) If they worked 52 weeks a year, 40 hours a week, they would still be at or below the poverty line.

2) There is no such thing as a minimum wage job that will give you 40 hours a week anymore. They will give you 1 hour less per week than the amount that would require them to start treating you like a normal employee.

3) Working at the minimum wage job accomplishes nothing, financially, and serves only to waste their time in an unfulfilling and degrading position where they will be treated as sub-human by every person around them, from management to customers/clients.

216 Stanley Sea  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 8:18:50am

re: #211 Vicious Babushka

FIRE YOUR HAIRDRESSER

Oooh he’s responding to the hair jokes. Touched a nerve finally Donny??!!

217 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 8:19:08am

re: #206 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

There are only two Cabelas in the Northeast - one in CT and one in Maine. Doubt they’d know to go there (though there are other outfitters who probably have similar gear available). We were supposed to get a Cabelas in the Meadowlands development now known as American Dream (ex-Xanadu), but that got shelved with the recession and bankruptcy of the developer).

Got to visit a Cabelas when I was out in SD and it was quite an impressive store. I get why they’ve got such a following.

218 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 8:19:48am

Hahahahaha. YES, just YES.

219 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 8:19:57am

re: #216 Stanley Sea

Wait, the bankruptcies of his casinos, the shuttering of his airline, that doesn’t get him in a huff, but mess with his hair? That’s the last straw?

220 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 8:21:04am

Is this a thinly disguised Jew joke? LAME.

221 kirkspencer  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 8:23:27am

re: #220 Vicious Babushka

Is this a thinly disguised Jew joke? LAME.

That, and the unhappiness that Stewart has bigger ratings than any show Trump’s had. You can just see the envy oozing out of his follicles.

222 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 8:23:50am

re: #220 Vicious Babushka

223 dragonath  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 8:24:36am

re: #220 Vicious Babushka

Is this a thinly disguised Jew joke? LAME.

Trump’s real name is Donald I. Suck

224 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 8:24:48am

One thing I noticed on my recent trip to Vegas: The Trump tower is about the most visually unimpressive of all the major Casinos.

225 Decatur Deb  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 8:26:15am

re: #220 Vicious Babushka

Is this a thinly disguised Jew joke? LAME.

That or anti-Scottish.

226 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 8:26:46am

I’M GOING TO THROW UP NOW.

227 darthstar  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 8:27:15am

If this is another WalMart factory people in this country are going to be really tempted to be disturbed by the news.

nytimes.com

228 HappyWarrior  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 8:27:37am

re: #220 Vicious Babushka

Is this a thinly disguised Jew joke? LAME.

Says the man who’s famous for his hair and being an obnoxious prick and somehow I doubt Trump’s smarter than Stewart who went to the University of William and Mary which as any Virginian will attest is one of the nation’s best. Plus Stewart didn’t rely on Daddy the way Donnie did.

229 darthstar  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 8:27:46am

re: #226 Vicious Babushka

I’M GOING TO THROW UP NOW.

What did Gwyneth Paltrow name her?

230 HappyWarrior  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 8:28:22am

re: #225 Decatur Deb

That or anti-Scottish.

Frigging Scots. I kid. The actual Scots are cool. Asses like Donnie though.

231 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 8:28:53am

re: #229 darthstar

What did Gwyneth Paltrow name her?

Apple, I think.

232 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 8:30:43am

re: #230 HappyWarrior

Frigging Scots. I kid. The actual Scots are cool. Asses like Donnie though.

If it aint Scottish, it’s crap!

233 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 8:31:19am

re: #231 Vicious Babushka

Apple, I think.

Apple™ ?

234 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 8:31:28am

re: #215 GunstarGreen

Minimum wage jobs are still jobs that need to be done. The functioning of our society depends upon those jobs being done. They cannot be done solely by children and the elderly, given consumer demands that things be relatively efficient and competent.

An adult is faced with a decision: work a minimum wage job, or be out of work. But in doing the math for the minimum wage job, this adult realizes a few things.

1) If they worked 52 weeks a year, 40 hours a week, they would still be at or below the poverty line.

2) There is no such thing as a minimum wage job that will give you 40 hours a week anymore. They will give you 1 hour less per week than the amount that would require them to start treating you like a normal employee.

3) Working at the minimum wage job accomplishes nothing, financially, and serves only to waste their time in an unfulfilling and degrading position where they will be treated as sub-human by every person around them, from management to customers/clients.

In late 2010 I faced a situation where I had to work minimum wage at Subway part-time in addition to another part-time job that paid just slightly above minimum wage. I didn’t mind the job principally because the boss was a friend of mine and we got along great. There were no benefits. Even the store manager who routinely put in 50 hours a week got no benefits (yay for douchebag franchisees!). It sucked as far as money went but between both jobs I kept enough money coming in to keep myself afloat until I found a better position which I am still in now.

Would I do it again if I had to? Probably, because I’m a person who believes that you should do what you need to do to keep food on the table and a roof over your head. I also believe though, that the stagnation of wages is a true tragedy that really needs to be addressed politically (but won’t).

Another thing that galls me, somewhat related to this discussion, is how the employment figures are apparently only concerned with who has a job and who doesn’t. Therefore someone who goes from making $35K/year to a job making say, $12/hr is still counted as “employed” in the official statistics even though they’ve gone through a significant loss of income due to the job change.

There’s a lot of people, like me, who while they managed to stay employed through the entire downturn, had to eat a loss of income as a result. But nobody really cares about that. It’s just this silly notion of “if you have a job, you’re good.”

235 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 8:32:17am

re: #226 Vicious Babushka

I’M GOING TO THROW UP NOW.

Saw that earlier. I will grant that Gwyneth Paltrow is far from unattractive, but I wouldn’t call her anywhere near the sexiest. Heck, I doubt she’d even be in my top 10.

236 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 8:33:21am

re: #233 lawhawk

AppleTM ?

I seem to remember years ago there was a huge legal battle between Steve Jobs and The Beatles over who owned the copyright on the word AppleTM.

237 dragonath  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 8:33:45am

SEXIEST WOMAN EVER

Image: mad+cover.jpg

238 HappyWarrior  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 8:36:04am

o.onionstatic.com
The Sexiest Man alive according to the Onion and apparently this was actually believed to be true by the NK press. Man if NK wasn’t such a despotic place where thousands have died either of starvation, execution, etc, it would be hilarious. It is funny but it’s hard to really laugh hard knowing how repressive that nation is.

239 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 8:36:12am

re: #235 Eclectic Cyborg

Saw that earlier. I will grant that Gwyneth Paltrow is far from unattractive, but I wouldn’t call her anywhere near the sexiest. Heck, I doubt she’d even be in my top 10.

I wonder if she bought that title?

Every time Gawker or Jezebel posts an unflattering article about Gwyneth, the comments are swarmed by Gwynbots who ooh and aah over how beautiful, thin, intelligent, thin, rich, talented, thin, fabulous, thin, chic she is. Oh and she is thinner than you fatties that’s why your all jellous!!

240 ReamWorks SKG  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 8:42:53am

Greetings from Prague! Here until Friday

Image: 8676416216_d714a85cca_b.jpg

Today we visited Theresienstadt and Lidice.

241 HappyWarrior  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 8:46:30am

re: #240 ReamWorks SKG

Greetings from Prague! Here until Friday

Image: 8676416216_d714a85cca_b.jpg

Today we visited Theresienstadt and Lidice.

Enjoy your visit. Loved visiting that city when I went five years back. Awesome people, beer/food, and some of the most beautiful buildings. The Charles Bridge is awesome.

242 Lidane  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 9:00:23am
243 Charleston Chew  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 9:00:33am

re: #220 Vicious Babushka

Is this a thinly disguised Jew joke? LAME.

I’m assuming it’s meant to be more of an anti-Jew dog whistle than a pro-Scottish one. “He’s not really from Scotland, you know!”

244 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 9:02:42am

re: #243 Charleston Chew

I’m assuming it’s meant to be more of an anti-Jew dog whistle than a pro-Scottish one. “He’s not really from Scotland, you know!”

Trump hates Scotland because they won’t take down the wind turbines that are such an EYESORE blocking the view from his golf course.

245 Lidane  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 9:03:30am

re: #243 Charleston Chew

I’m assuming it’s meant to be more of an anti-Jew dog whistle than a pro-Scottish one. “He’s not really from Scotland, you know!”

Yeah, that’s what I was thinking.

246 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 9:05:04am

And let’s not forget Donald is a racist shitbag:

247 Decatur Deb  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 9:06:00am

re: #246 Vicious Babushka

And let’s not forget Donald is a racist shitbag:

If I had his hair and his attitude, I’d just go ahead and wear the hood.

248 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 9:07:28am

DERP
SO MUCH BETTER TO ENSLAVE THEM AT SUBMINIMUM-WAGE JRRBZ.

249 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 9:07:35am

re: #246 Vicious Babushka

And let’s not forget Donald is a racist shitbag:

we know that he is a rat-headed asshat daouche canoe. no need to repost tweets proving so.

250 darthstar  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 9:08:33am

re: #246 Vicious Babushka

And let’s not forget Donald is a racist shitbag:

Donald Trump’s idea of rough sex is buying a loaf of whole-grain bread. Why does anyone bother to read his tweets?

251 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 9:09:34am

Makes me wonder what they found on that site. Homophobic screeds maybe?

252 Charleston Chew  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 9:12:21am

re: #246 Vicious Babushka

And let’s not forget Donald is a racist shitbag:

I think it’s safe to assume that anyone who refers to “da blacks” and isn’t talking about a family with the surname Black is racist.

253 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 9:12:29am
254 HappyWarrior  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 9:14:56am

re: #251 Vicious Babushka

Makes me wonder what they found on that site. Homophobic screeds maybe?

Why should he care? He clearly has zero respect for the military anyhow since he thinks awarding the CMOH to a man who saved people’s lives “feminized” the Medal of Honor.

255 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 9:15:17am

Wonkette mocks the wingnuts

256 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 9:15:40am

Why I’d friggin’ hate to be famous, part nine million:


Sobbing Stalker Throws Razor Filled With Pubic Hair At Hugh Jackman At Village Gym

If you’ve never had to dodge a razor full of pubic hair, then you’re not really a celebrity—Hugh Jackman went through the sacred rite of passage in the West Village yesterday. According to the Post, sobbing female stalker Kathleen Thurston tracked Jackman to Gotham Gym around 8 a.m. Saturday. Despite her conspicuous tears, she was able to slip past guards and throw an electric razor filled with her pubic hair at him while screaming, “I love you.”

“She was crying,” said Mike Castle, a Gotham trainer who was in the facility’s boxing ring. “I physically removed her from the place, then I called the cops.” A gym worker grabbed her, but she may have slipped away, since police arrested her at West 14th Street and Eighth Avenue.

257 danarchy  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 9:16:09am

re: #235 Eclectic Cyborg

Saw that earlier. I will grant that Gwyneth Paltrow is far from unattractive, but I wouldn’t call her anywhere near the sexiest. Heck, I doubt she’d even be in my top 10.

The list is most beautiful not sexiest, I think there is a difference. Sexy has an awful lot to do with attitude and how you carry yourself. That being said, I don’t think Gwyneth would be near the top of either list for me.

258 HappyWarrior  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 9:18:33am

re: #256 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Why I’d friggin’ hate to be famous, part nine million:

Sobbing Stalker Throws Razor Filled With Pubic Hair At Hugh Jackman At Village Gym

That’s just creepy. A thing about fame, my Dad and I were talking about it, we both agreed that it would be much better to be a character actor than an A-lister like Jackman is. That way, people know who you are and appreciate your work and the money’s good but the stalkers probably aren’t bad but I have little doubt that character actors have suffered harassment as well.

259 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 9:19:32am

More security problems at AT&T park? Someone stole Barry Bonds plaque from the park - and team officials are clueless.

The plaque was originally unveiled at the stadium a few years ago, after Barry smacked his 756th* dinger while playing for the SF Giants.

But a rep for the team says it went missing last night — explaining, “We’re not sure what happened. We’re reviewing video, but haven’t found anything yet.”

260 iossarian  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 9:20:00am

re: #255 Vicious Babushka

Wonkette mocks the wingnuts

So stupid. They CAUGHT THE FUCKING GUYS RESPONSIBLE. Why wouldn’t you visit someone in hospital who’d been involved?

Because trollish racism, I suppose.

261 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 9:20:20am

re: #257 danarchy

The list is most beautiful not sexiest, I think there is a difference. Sexy has an awful lot to do with attitude and how you carry yourself. That being said, I don’t think Gwyneth would be near the top of either list for me.

I have seen her “Beautiful Rich Thin Perfect People Only!” blog GOOP (OK but only when it’s being made fun of at Gawker and Jezebel) and she comes across as very self-absorbed, narcissistic, vain, and totally clueless about what real people actually do in real life.

262 HappyWarrior  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 9:21:02am

re: #259 lawhawk

More security problems at AT&T park? Someone stole Barry Bonds plaque from the park - and team officials are clueless.

You’d think someone would have noticed someone leaving with a plaque. That’s a beautiful stadium by the way.

263 iossarian  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 9:21:04am

re: #261 Vicious Babushka

I have seen her “Beautiful Rich Thin Perfect People Only!” blog GOOP (OK but only when it’s being made fun of at Gawker and Jezebel) and she comes across as very self-absorbed, narcissistic, vain, and totally clueless about what real people actually do in real life.

“First, spend six hours of your day making wheatgrass smoothies.”

264 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 9:21:10am

re: #255 Vicious Babushka

And mocks Trump:

265 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 9:21:27am

re: #260 iossarian

So stupid. They CAUGHT THE FUCKING GUYS RESPONSIBLE. Why wouldn’t you visit someone in hospital who’d been involved?

Because trollish racism, I suppose.

Because the wingnuts are still swarming over the meme created by Glenn Beck that OMG TEH SAUDI!!11!!! AND BENGHAZI!!!!!11

266 HappyWarrior  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 9:22:00am

re: #264 lawhawk

And mocks Trump:

Better to be a Jew than someone who looks like a Muppet. Apologies to Muppets.

267 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 9:22:41am

re: #266 HappyWarrior

Better to be a Jew than someone who looks like a Muppet. Apologies to Muppets.

There is no Muppet who looks like Donald Trump’s hair. It would scare small children.

268 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 9:23:25am

Donald Trump is being Eric Cartman to Jon Stewart’s Kyle.

269 HappyWarrior  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 9:23:27am

re: #267 Vicious Babushka

There is no Muppet who looks like Donald Trump’s hair. It would scare small children.

Yeah indeed, what I mean though is he looks more like a muppet than a real person.

270 HappyWarrior  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 9:24:18am

re: #268 Vicious Babushka

Donald Trump is being Eric Cartman to Jon Stewart’s Kyle.

Nah Cartman has some redeemable qualities. It was ages ago but he did use the electricity from the V-Chip to get Saddam.

271 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 9:25:54am

LOL

272 122 Year Old Obama  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 9:32:04am

re: #251 Vicious Babushka

Bryan Fischer is so deep in the closet, he’s finding Christmas presents.

273 HappyWarrior  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 9:34:13am

re: #272 122 Year Old Obama

Bryan Fischer is so deep in the closet, he’s finding next year’s Christmas presents.

FTFY-Seriously the anti-gay obsession this dude has isn’t healthy. He’s either in the closet or really really insecure in his sexuality. I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s found at some seedy BDSM club or with another dude.

274 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 9:36:20am

These terrorist brother were caught in time before carrying out their attacks.

Fort Lauderdale man denied bond on terrorism-related charges

A Fort Lauderdale taxicab driver accused of helping his younger brother plan a terrorist attack on New York City will not be released from the Federal Detention Center in downtown Miami before their trial.

A federal magistrate judge on Tuesday denied a motion from Sheheryar Alam Qazi, 30, of Oakland Park, who had initially agreed to be detained after his and his brother’s arrests in November.

The following month, a magistrate judge ordered the detention of his younger brother, Raees Alam Qazi, 20, saying he was a danger to the community and a flight risk.

Both brothers, natives of Pakistan, are naturalized U.S. citizens who lived together.

U.S. Magistrate Chris M. McAliley, after Tuesday’s hearing, denied the older brother’s bond request, saying Sheheryar Alam Qazi is a flight risk.

The brothers are charged with conspiracy to use a weapon of mass destruction and conspiracy to provide material support to terrorists. If convicted, the Qazis each face a sentence of up to 15 years in prison on the material-support charge, and a potential life sentence on the weapons charge.

275 Lidane  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 9:41:27am

re: #268 Vicious Babushka

Donald Trump is being Eric Cartman to Jon Stewart’s Kyle.

Case in point:

276 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 9:44:02am

re: #251 Vicious Babushka

Makes me wonder what they found on that site. Homophobic screeds maybe?

Well, I did find this and this.

277 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 9:51:39am

re: #227 darthstar

If this is another WalMart factory people in this country are going to be really tempted to be disturbed by the news.

nytimes.com

From the article:

Bangladesh’s garment industry has grown rapidly during the last decade, particularly as rising wages in China have pushed many global clothing brands to look for lower costs elsewhere. Bangladesh has the lowest labor costs in the world, with minimum wage in the garment industry set at roughly $37 a month. Retailers and brands including Walmart, H&M, Sears, Gap, Tommy Hilfiger and many others have outsourced the production of billions of dollars of clothes there.

Actually, North Korea has the lowest labor costs in the world, which is where they will go once Bangladeshis get all uppity and decide they want $38 a month. Of course, all sorts of fancy “free trade” agreements will have to be in place first, but there’s always bipartisan support for those.

278 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 9:54:12am

Is Donald competing with Bryan Fischer for MOST DERP ON TWITTER?

279 RadicalModerate  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 9:54:31am

re: #222 lawhawk

Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump

I promise you that I’m much smarter than Jonathan Leibowitz - I mean Jon Stewart @TheDailyShow. Who, by the way, is totally overrated.

Says the guy who eats New York pizza with a fork:

280 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 9:55:29am

re: #278 Vicious Babushka

Is Donald competing with Bryan Fischer for MOST DERP ON TWITTER?

The Boston killer applying today for ObamaCare. He demands that medical bills be taken care of immediately. Does this include dental?
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) April 24, 2013

Possibly Donald, but in your case I hope it includes Mental.

281 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 10:03:31am

re: #279 RadicalModerate

Says the New Yorker who picks Familia over John’s on Bleecker, Arturo’s, Grimaldi’s, Denino’s, or any of the other pizza classics in the City.

And stacks them? And eats them with a fork?! WTF!

282 HappyWarrior  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 10:05:15am

re: #281 lawhawk

Says the New Yorker who picks Familia over John’s on Bleecker, Arturo’s, Grimaldi’s, Denino’s, or any of the other pizza classics in the City.

And stacks them? And eats them with a fork?! WTF!

I’m not even Italian or a New Yorker and even I know that’s just wrong.

283 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 10:05:24am

re: #281 lawhawk

Says the New Yorker who picks Familia over John’s on Bleecker, Arturo’s, Grimaldi’s, Denino’s, or any of the other pizza classics in the City.

And stacks them? And eats them with a fork?! WTF!

He was trying to impress Sarah Palin.

284 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 10:09:01am

re: #278 Vicious Babushka

why Obamacare? Doesn’t he qualify for Romneycare?

285 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 10:10:37am

*FACE PALM*

286 HappyWarrior  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 10:12:00am

re: #285 Vicious Babushka

*FACE PALM*

Says the man who wants to limit religious freedom, equality under teh law, etc. I’d say that oyu’re the one who hates America Bryan and your “Christianity” consists of you just being a socon punkass who doesn’t give two shits about those less off than you.

287 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 10:12:31am

re: #286 HappyWarrior

Says the man who wants to limit religious freedom, equality under teh law, etc. I’d say that oyu’re the one who hates America Bryan and your “Christianity” consists of you just being a socon punkass who doesn’t give two shits about those less off than you.

Somebody tell Bryan that Jesus gave the poor free health care.

288 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 10:14:04am

WINGNUT FAIL


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