VP Joe Biden: Tsarnaev Brothers Were ‘Perverted, Cowardly, Knock-Off Jihadis’

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The right wing blogs are shrieking and freaking today (I know, so what’s new?) about a statement from Vice President Joe Biden at the memorial service for the MIT police officer killed by the Tsarnaev brothers.

Speaking during a memorial service for Sean Collier, the MIT police officer slain by the Tsarnaev brothers Friday morning, Biden echoed the question of why anyone would seek terrorize a city.

“Why, whether it’s al-Qaeda central out of the FATAs or two twisted, perverted, cowardly, knock-off jihadis here in Boston. Why do they do what they do?”

Biden insulted the brothers a second time during an extended appreciation for police officers.

“You are their worst nightmare,” Biden said. “All the things, these perverted jihadis, self made or organized, all the things they fear.”

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177 comments
1 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 11:18:16am

Wait, what’s wrong with that? He’s saying they were Jihadi, and that they sucked.

2 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 11:19:11am

He even sounds like one of the wingers on this yet they still freak out. Proof that they just don’t like anyone but their own if they can’t agree with what he said.

3 GunstarGreen  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 11:19:13am

re: #1 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Wait, what’s wrong with that? He’s saying they were Jihadi, and that they sucked.

Making Statements While Democratic.

4 stabby  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 11:19:25am

The right isn’t angry at what Biden said, they’d agree with it if they actually listened. So rather they just deliberately misquote him and seeth. He’s “not one of us!” is the point.

5 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 11:20:12am

The Easter Bunny is riffing on Joe.

6 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 11:20:26am

re: #1 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Wait, what’s wrong with that? He’s saying they were Jihadi, and that they sucked.

He said it, that’s all. Imagine the reaction if Obama had said something similar.

7 HappyWarrior  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 11:20:36am

re: #3 GunstarGreen

Making Statements While Democratic.

More accurately making statements while Joe Biden. Remember the outrage over big fucking deal, I sure as hell do.

8 Stanley Sea  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 11:20:43am

Exactly, pray tell their outrage?

9 stabby  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 11:20:54am

If only Joe had shown that he hates blacks (and the n***** president), then they’d be happy with what he said. I’m sure there’s a couple of Democrats who would pass muster.

10 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 11:21:22am

re: #6 Sol Berdinowitz

He said it, that’s all. Imagine the reaction if Obama had said something similar.

They’d rush to defend the terrorist at that point. See what happened when Obama criticized the cop who went after the professor trying to get into his own home.

11 HappyWarrior  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 11:21:48am

re: #5 Vicious Babushka

The Easter Bunny is riffing on Joe.

Must get ouraged, Obama official spoke.

12 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 11:22:05am

He’s saying they were wannabees, try-this-at-home jihadis, as opposed to professional, card-carrying senior-level Al-QaedaTM operatives, who could have murdered hundreds of people at once, instead of 3.

13 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 11:22:10am

OMG! Biden said something we agree with, We can’t have that.

the HORROR!

14 leftynyc  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 11:22:29am

Here’s fox news trying to make news again and failing miserably. I’m sure they were hoping they could use this poll to bash the Obama administration’s handling of this and terrorism in general but now they’re reporting how terrorism is not so important - economy is what is important:

Link to poll:

foxnews.com

Some tidbits:

Virtually all voters — 91 percent — approve of law enforcement’s handling of the Boston bombings, and most — 71 percent — approve of the Obama administration’s performance. A 55-percent majority approves of the job the media did.

More generally, 69 percent approve of the job the government is doing protecting them from terrorism. That’s up significantly from 50 percent the last time the question was asked on a Fox poll near the end of George W. Bush’s second term.

Fully 82 percent of Democrats approve of the government on terrorism in the new poll. That’s more than twice as many as in 2007 (40 percent). For independents, approval is 71 percent now, up from 36 percent. For Republicans, 55 percent approve today, down from 69 percent in 2007.

15 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 11:22:32am

re: #1 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Wait, what’s wrong with that? He’s saying they were Jihadi, and that they sucked.

After the RWNJs foam that the Administration isn’t calling them for what they are, and VP Biden says that they’re jihadis, their beef is what exactly? That he called them jihadis? Or that terrorism as a weapon is losing? Or that we can catch these guys as quickly as we did after the act due to the perseverance of law enforcement and joint terrorism task force cooperation among various agencies working closely together, or that the death toll was thankfully lower than it could be due to the fast thinking of first responders and onlookers?

16 SpaceJesus  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 11:23:45am

This is somehow a thing?

17 HappyWarrior  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 11:24:07am

Malkin seems to be upset that Biden used adjectives to describe them because she feels all jihadis are that way. Be that it may be, Biden’s fucking point is what these guys did was perverted and cowardly. So why get outraged? Oh- Biden’s the VP of a man that Malkin has a psychotic hatred of, I see.

18 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 11:25:01am

re: #14 leftynyc

Interesting results, and some of that could be tribal politics at play considering that the counterterrorism policies and homeland security policies are largely the same between the Bush and Obama administrations. The names may have changed on the letterhead, but the policies are a continuation.

19 dragonath  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 11:26:00am

Hey, got stuck behind a car today with anti-Obama stickers. One of them read “Commie Shitbag”.

Tell me how the GOP is the party of morality, again.

20 SidewaysQuark  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 11:26:13am

Biden always did have a way with words.

21 Targetpractice  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 11:26:40am

re: #15 lawhawk

After the RWNJs foam that the Administration isn’t calling them for what they are, and VP Biden says that they’re jihadis, their beef is what exactly? That he called them jihadis? Or that terrorism as a weapon is losing? Or that we can catch these guys as quickly as we did after the act due to the perseverance of law enforcement and joint terrorism task force cooperation among various agencies working closely together, or that the death toll was thankfully lower than it could be due to the fast thinking of first responders and onlookers?

More likely they’re pissed that he’s brushing them off, while wingnuts continue to believe these two to either be part of a major terrorist cell or having been trained by a major terrorist organization. He’s laughing at their amateurish efforts and the wingnuts are freaking out because they’re sure these two were sent by Al-Q to kill us all.

22 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 11:26:44am

Someone please tell me CNN didn’t really put that Elvis impersonator on and have him sing.

Please. No.

23 stabby  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 11:27:00am

re: #6 Sol Berdinowitz

He said it, that’s all. Imagine the reaction if Obama had said something similar.

It’s kind of fun to notice how far assholes like Barry Rubin have to go to slander the President (his bullshit being that Obama is somehow pro-Islamist, weak kneed liberal, anti-Israeli).

He tells bald faced lies about US policy, constantly. Then, because Obama never says the kinds of things he’s accused of, he finds some OTHER liberal, say Canada’s Justin Trudeau, finds him saying something mild, and accuses him of attempting to be “an Obama clone”

So easy, if you have no standards for truth.

24 leftynyc  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 11:27:01am

re: #18 lawhawk

Interesting results, and some of that could be tribal politics at play considering that the counterterrorism policies and homeland security policies are largely the same between the Bush and Obama administrations. The names may have changed on the letterhead, but the policies are a continuation.

I really think the majority of people just lost total faith in the Bush administration because of the WMD nonsense. They simply didn’t trust them anymore.

25 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 11:27:20am

re: #19 dragonath

Hey, got stuck behind a car today with anti-Obama stickers. One of them read “Commie Shitbag”.

Tell me how the GOP is the party of morality, again.

Usually it’s LIBRUL CARZ that are full of silly bumper stickers.

26 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 11:27:54am

re: #22 Charles Johnson

Someone please tell me CNN didn’t really put that Elvis impersonator on and have him sing.

Please. No.

Maybe they were hacked?

27 jaunte  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 11:28:08am

Limbaugh says jump, and the right wing blogs go off the cliff.

mediamatters.org

28 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 11:30:14am

“I THINK FOR MYSELF”—THAT’S WHY I RETWEET ALL THOSE FAKE QUOTES AND EVERYTHING I SEE AT GLENN BECK AND JIM HOFT.

29 GunstarGreen  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 11:31:03am

re: #27 jaunte

Limbaugh says jump, and the right wing blogs go off the cliff.

mediamatters.org

The Pied Porpoise of Pills plays his lumpy, misshapen flute and the rats follow right along.

30 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 11:31:07am

AP: CNN has just announced that their new spokesperson is Joe Izuzu. New motto: You can trust me.

31 leftynyc  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 11:31:08am

re: #27 jaunte

Limbaugh says jump, and the right wing blogs go off the cliff.

mediamatters.org

Sigh - and if they had gone on with their lives as if nothing had happened, it would have been “Pres and MA don’t take terrorism seriously”. I can’t remember which right winger pointed out that people have just tuned out the right wing outrage machine because they’ve cried wolf too many times and have absolutely no credibility with anyone outside their echo chamber.

32 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 11:31:33am
33 jaunte  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 11:31:49am

re: #28 Vicious Babushka

I am my own person.
That’s why I look like a piece of clip-art!

34 HappyWarrior  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 11:32:08am

re: #27 jaunte

Limbaugh says jump, and the right wing blogs go off the cliff.

mediamatters.org

Sheesh Rush, just shut the fuck up sometimes and let your blind hatred of anything left of your fat ass go for once.

35 Targetpractice  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 11:32:44am

re: #27 jaunte

Limbaugh says jump, and the right wing blogs go off the cliff.

mediamatters.org

Yet, had the authorities chosen not to disrupt the daily lives of Bostonians and the younger brother had managed to slip away in the confusion, Rush would be bellowing about the cluelessness of the cops in not shutting down the city to make sure the little prick couldn’t use public transit or steal another car.

36 HappyWarrior  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 11:32:50am

re: #22 Charles Johnson

Someone please tell me CNN didn’t really put that Elvis impersonator on and have him sing.

Please. No.

And god help us all if he gets his own reality show. and record deal.

37 jaunte  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 11:33:03am
38 HappyWarrior  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 11:33:55am

re: #35 Targetpractice

Yet, had the authorities chosen not to disrupt the daily lives of Bostonians and the younger brother had managed to slip away in the confusion, Rush would be bellowing about the cluelessness of the cops in not shutting down the city to make sure the little prick couldn’t use public transit or steal another car.

YEah if Tsarnaev and his brother had gotten to NYC, Rush would be blasting the administration and the city of Boston. He really should just be fucking happy that we got the guy as quickly as we did but no he prefers to be a hateful dick.

39 darthstar  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 11:33:56am

Leave it to Biden to accurately describe these guys in language even wingnuts can understand.

Poor Linsdey Graham and his ilk…they want to turn this 19 year old kid into the second coming of Bin Laden so they can claim TERRAH TERRAH TERRAH! Fucking amateurs…Biden just pwned them too.

40 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 11:35:33am

Your Daily POE

Sarah Palin called for the invasion of the Czech Republic today in response to the recent terrorist attacks in Boston.

In an interview with Fox News, the former governor of Alaska said that although federal investigators have yet to complete their work, the time for action is now.

“We don’t know everything about these suspects yet,” Palin told Fox and Friends this morning, referring to Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, who allegedly carried out the Boston Marathon attacks. “But we know they were Muslims from the Czech Republic.

“I betcha I speak for a lot of Americans when I say I want to go over there right now and start teaching those folks a lesson. And let’s not stop at the Czech Republic, let’s go after all Arab countries.

41 jaunte  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 11:36:13am

Chuck Woolery upset that Biden “cracked a joke” at Sean Collier’s funeral.

42 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 11:36:13am

re: #40 FemNaziBitch

Your Daily POE

It’s a parody site, but not as funny as The Onion.

43 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 11:37:26am

re: #40 FemNaziBitch

while I can see Palin saying that, that article is trying way too hard.

44 Targetpractice  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 11:37:34am

re: #38 HappyWarrior

YEah if Tsarnaev and his brother had gotten to NYC, Rush would be blasting the administration and the city of Boston. He really should just be fucking happy that we got the guy as quickly as we did but no he prefers to be a hateful dick.

It’s Rush being contrarian for no other reason than to be in constant opposition to anything that isn’t Rush Limbaugh. In this case, he’s suddenly against authoritarianism and against disruption of our lives in the name of security, something he had no problem with when it was Republicans doing it in the name of the “War on Terrorism.”

45 leftynyc  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 11:38:20am

Okay - this story is giving me a headache:

nytimes.com

“He was looking for connections between the wars in the Middle East and oppression of Muslim population around the globe,” Mr. Khozhugov said in an e-mail. “It was very hard to argue with him on themes somehow connected to religion. On the other hand, he did not hate Christians. He respected their faith. Never said anything bad about other religions. But he was angry that the world pictures Islam as a violent religion.”

46 HappyWarrior  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 11:40:13am

re: #40 FemNaziBitch

Your Daily POE

I can totally see her doing that but heh it’s a spoof.

47 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 11:41:20am

OUTRAGE!!11!! OUTRAGE!!11!!!!


48 ProBosniaLiberal  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 11:41:47am

Ok, I should mention about my post earlier today on Bangladesh.

I despise Jamaat-I-Islami, and think they are genocidal scum for what they did in 1971. I was wondering if, in light of the pressure from the government, if they hit a building to intimidate people.

I really wanted them banned.

49 jaunte  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 11:42:24am

re: #47 Vicious Babushka

I just watched the tape of that, at the Weekly Standard site, and they are rreeeeeaaallly scraping to find something to complain about on this one.

50 Joanne  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 11:43:04am

re: #3 GunstarGreen

Making Statements While Democratic.

Exactly! With Obama, he’s a ni***r; Hilary is a c*nt. It doesn’t matter who or what…if Dem, they will be pilloried.

51 stabby  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 11:43:45am

The headline at PJ Media:

Kerry Blames Terrorism on ‘People Who Have No Belief System’
by Bryan Preston
Agnostics of the world, unite!

What Kerry actually said

QUESTION: Sir, with the problem we have that young people go to Syria (inaudible), does that matter also to the U.S., do you have the same problem?

SECRETARY KERRY: Well, of course we have the same problem. We just had a young person who went to Russia, Chechnya, who blew people up in Boston. So he didn’t stay where he went, but he learned something where he went and he came back with a willingness to kill people.

I think the world has had enough of people who have no belief system, no policy for jobs, no policy for education, no policy for rule of law, but who just want to kill people because they don’t like what they see. There’s not room for that. That’s what we’ve been fighting against after all of the wars of the 20th century. Now we’re in the 21st century, and it’s time for a different organizational principle. And we need to, all of us, do a better job of communicating to people what the options of life are. And we’re open. Democracies are open to people participating in the democracy, not killing people. And so I hope that we can all figure out how we translate these better opportunities more effectively in our politics.

He’s not saying that terrorists are agnostics, he’s saying that they don’t have solutions to any of the world’s problems, and that democracy, not violence, is the forum for addressing problems. Of course the right miscasts that as “an odd one-world riff”.

52 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 11:44:36am

re: #22 Charles Johnson

Someone please tell me CNN didn’t really put that Elvis impersonator on and have him sing.

Please. No.

Talk about being all shook up.

53 Big Steve  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 11:45:24am

re: #51 stabby

The headline at PJ Media:

What Kerry actually said

He’s not saying that terrorists are agnostics, he’s saying that they don’t have solutions to any of the world’s problems, and that democracy, not violence, is the forum for addressing problems. Of course the right miscasts that as “an odd one-world riff”.

I agree, I believe Secretary Kerry was referring to political belief systems.

54 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 11:45:38am

re: #51 stabby

Democracies are open to people participating in the democracy, not killing people.

EXACTLY! A nation of laws, not men, provides a non-violent system for change.

There is no reason for violence.

55 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 11:46:15am

I think this needs to go viral

56 Big Steve  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 11:47:01am

re: #55 FemNaziBitch

I think this needs to go viral

It has been on Reddit for a day

57 Charles Johnson  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 11:55:53am
58 engineer cat  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 11:57:28am

as for myself, i’ve been cleared of all charges of being an elvis impersonator and released, provided i don’t attempt to sing in public

59 Ian G.  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 11:59:19am

re: #57 Charles Johnson

I guess Robert Byrd’s death makes it harder to do moronic “lib’ruls = KKK” comparisons any longer.

The founder of Planned Parenthood admired the Klan. And Hitler was a vegetarian. So fucking what?

60 Joanne  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 12:00:32pm

re: #40 FemNaziBitch

Jeez, I had to think whether that was true or not.

This is today’s conservative Republican party. Can’t tell if they are a real joke or just the butt of one for being a total joke.

61 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 12:00:53pm

MICHELLE (“WAR ON EASTER”) MALKIN HAVING A FREAKOUT OVER BIDEN

62 Ian G.  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 12:01:03pm
twisted, perverted, cowardly, knock-off jihadis

That’s pretty much exactly how I would describe the Tsarnaev boys. Exactly what the hell am I supposed to be outraged about? Does the right think they were well-trained jihadis a la Khalid Sheik Muhammad?

63 celticdragon  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 12:01:10pm

re: #29 GunstarGreen

LIMBAUGH: … We watched a major American metropolitan area of more than one million people on lockdown. A million people were told to stay home from work, stay home from school. To shelter in place. Do not go outside. Boston’s subways, buses, cabs, even Amtrak service was halted. They cancelled a Bruins game. They cancelled a Red Sox game. I saw a lot of lives change. What was Biden watching? They shut down an entire city! They had the - these two terrorists had the city fathers telling everybody, ‘Don’t go outside. Stay in there - Don’t you dare go outside. Don’t answer the door. Stay right -’ They had people cowering in fear in the corners of their own homes. And the vice president says, ‘The only way terrorism wins is if we change our way of life, if we yield. And we didn’t yield. And we didn’t change our way of life. And they didn’t break us. And they didn’t change us. And they can’t, and we will never yield.’ What was he watching? I saw a lot of lives being changed.

I fucking hate myself for saying it, but Limbaugh has a valid point on this one, IMO.

Dorner was a bigger threat by an order of magnitude, but nobody suggested locking down Southern California to get him. Likewise, dangerous criminals who go on spree killings are an almost weekly fact of life in America, but we do not lock down major metropolitan areas to catch them and confine hundreds of thousands of citizens to their homes (forcing Boston PD to deliver milk to families…seen in a viral picture)

If they wanted to terrorize America and damage civil liberties, they succeeded beyond their wildest fucking hopes.

Of course, if this had happened under a Rmoney administration, Limbaugh would be calling the lockdown prudent and sensible.

I think it was unnecessary, damaging to public morale and utterly disproportionate to the threat these two idiots posed.

64 prairiefire  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 12:01:43pm

“You go, Joe!”

65 Joanne  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 12:02:41pm

re: #45 leftynyc

Okay - this story is giving me a headache:

nytimes.com

“He was looking for connections between the wars in the Middle East and oppression of Muslim population around the globe,” Mr. Khozhugov said in an e-mail. “It was very hard to argue with him on themes somehow connected to religion. On the other hand, he did not hate Christians. He respected their faith. Never said anything bad about other religions. But he was angry that the world pictures Islam as a violent religion.”

And, like the GOP goes out of its way to prove that Government Doesn’t Work (tm), these clowns go out of their way to prove what they are unhappy about. Doing their supposedly beloved religion nothing but harm.

66 leftynyc  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 12:03:27pm

I haz a sad - Fleet Week has been cancelled. This stinks.

huffingtonpost.com

67 Kragar  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 12:03:58pm

Barton: ‘Decent People Find [Homosexuality] Absolutely Reprehensible and Disgusting’

On yesterday’s program, David Barton asserted that one way to win the fight against gay rights is to start talking about how “reprehensible” homosexuality is going into graphic details on the theory that it will gross people out and educate them about what is really going on.

On today’s broadcast, dedicated to discussing the possibility that the Boy Scouts might lifts the ban on gay scouts and/or scout leaders, Barton and co-host Rick Green again asserted that as part of this battle, anti-gay activists need to inform people about how “reprehensible and disgusting” homosexuality really is:

68 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 12:05:28pm
69 Kragar  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 12:06:50pm

re: #68 Vicious Babushka

Sounds about right.

70 GunstarGreen  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 12:07:43pm

re: #63 celticdragon

I fucking hate myself for saying it, but Limbaugh has a valid point on this one, IMO.

Dorner was a bigger threat by an order of magnitude, but nobody suggested locking down Southern California to get him. Likewise, dangerous criminals who go on spree killings are an almost weekly fact of life in America, but we do not lock down major metropolitan areas to catch them and confine hundreds of thousands of citizens to their homes (forcing Boston PD to deliver milk to families…seen in a viral picture)

If they wanted to terrorize America and damage civil liberties, they succeeded beyond their wildest fucking hopes.

Of course, if this had happened under a Rmoney administration, Limbaugh would be calling the lockdown prudent and sensible.

I think it was unnecessary, damaging to public morale and utterly disproportionate to the threat these two idiots posed.

Considering what those two were pumping out during the chase — grenades included, last I heard — having the city on lockdown was incredibly prudent. There was a ton of potential for collateral damage during that, and the best way to avoid it was to make sure the citizenry was well out of the way. I’m as opposed to police-state-ism as the next left-leaning person, but sometimes the best course of action is to clear out the china shop before the bull gets loose inside it.

71 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 12:09:23pm

re: #63 celticdragon

In hindsight, the unprecedented lockdown of an entire city like that was unwarranted. But at the time of the bombing, it wasn’t clear just what their training, means, measures, etc., were and whether more attacks were forthcoming. Dorner’s situation made it clear that he was targeting police, and his mode of attack to that point wasn’t bombing public spaces, but shooting police and those affiliated with them.

The Boston bombers attacked a high visibility public sports event, and could have resulted in more deaths and casualties than did occur (not unlike the fizzle in the Times Square bombing case where had the bomb gone off as planned, it could have resulted in hundreds of casualties all across the area). Police tactics in the lockdown will be debated going forward as to whether it was useful or warranted going forward. The civil liberties angle will likewise be debated.

Unfortunately (from your view), I expect that law enforcement will continue to err on the side of locking down when faced with the next inevitable bombing-type attack.

72 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 12:09:32pm

This Tweet has gone viral in Wingnutistan, it’s impossible to stamp out even though it is debunked in 1 second by a Google image search.

73 stabby  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 12:09:40pm

re: #67 Kragar

Barton: ‘Decent People Find [Homosexuality] Absolutely Reprehensible and Disgusting’

Ha ha ha ha!

This is where RWNJ turn the corner from increasing gun sales, to increasing gay porn sales. Careful Barton, while it may be true that some 10 or so percent of men find gay sex hot, most women and obsessed teen fan-girls do. You have no idea what you’re playing with!

74 engineer cat  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 12:09:44pm

re: #40 FemNaziBitch

Your Daily POE

not a joke?

75 Targetpractice  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 12:10:11pm

re: #70 GunstarGreen

Considering what those two were pumping out during the chase — grenades included, last I heard — having the city on lockdown was incredibly prudent. There was a ton of potential for collateral damage during that, and the best way to avoid it was to make sure the citizenry was well out of the way. I’m as opposed to police-state-ism as the next left-leaning person, but sometimes the best course of action is to clear out the china shop before the bull gets loose inside it.

Agreed. Suppose the younger brother had kept one of the bombs with him and detonated it in a business or even gone onto a school campus with it. Instead of the manhunt that ended in a matter of hours with no additional fatalities, we might have been watching more stretchers full of mangled bodies being loaded into ambulances or morgue vans.

76 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 12:10:36pm

re: #74 engineer cat

not a joke?

It’s from a parody site.

77 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 12:12:20pm

re: #72 Vicious Babushka

78 celticdragon  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 12:13:21pm

re: #70 GunstarGreen

Considering what those two were pumping out during the chase — grenades included, last I heard — having the city on lockdown was incredibly prudent.

The chase was confined to a limited area and the bombs were along a few blocks…not the greater Boston metropolitan area.

Unless the brothers had magical powers of flight and teleportation, bombs simply do not mysteriously appear where nobody has been to place them. I have seen nothing suggesting that hundreds of EOD teams were sweeping every street in the city to look for mysterious bombs. The lockdown was official hysteria masquerading as safety.

79 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 12:14:19pm

So, being me, I decided to actually do something instead of just bitching and ranting on the internet.

Last night I attended the first of many classes to become a volunteer advocate for our local Domestic Violence and Sexual Assault Center. ITS A BIG DEAL.

Anyway, beaware, you will probably be hearing EVEN more about law and rights that you ever wanted.

80 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 12:16:47pm
“Because I’m a man, number one and it’s really none of my business what women do,” Potter said. So, then, why bother suing? “Because I don’t care if the federal government is telling me to buy my employees Jack Daniel’s or birth control. What gives them the right to tell me that I have to do that? That’s my issue, that’s what I object to, and that’s the beginning and end of the story.” He added, “I’m not trying to get birth control out of Rite Aid or Wal-Mart, but don’t tell me I gotta pay for it.”

Guys, this one needs a talking to. He isn’t a good representation of your gender.

81 prairiefire  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 12:18:42pm

re: #79 FemNaziBitch

So, being me, I decided to actually do something instead of just bitching and ranting on the internet.

Last night I attended the first of many classes to become a volunteer advocate for our local Domestic Violence and Sexual Assault Center. ITS A BIG DEAL.

Anyway, beaware, you will probably be hearing EVEN more about law and rights that you ever wanted.

It is a big deal! Congratulations! It will be tough, but you are more than up for the job. When I attended those sessions over several months, it was clear that a quite, clear headed, yet forceful person had to lead. Forceful to keep the conversation on topic, so many people are traumatized and feel the need to rant, vent. All understandable! But the conversation has to be steered by someone with a clear head and someone who is there to help.

82 klys  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 12:20:44pm

re: #80 FemNaziBitch

Guys, this one needs a talking to. He isn’t a good representation of your gender.

So does he object to paying for other types of medical treatment?

ARGH.

83 kirkspencer  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 12:21:46pm

re: #72 Vicious Babushka

This Tweet has gone viral in Wingnutistan, it’s impossible to stamp out even though it is debunked in 1 second by a Google image search.

So turn it on its head. Use the picture at this article (Obama saluting soldier’s coffins as they arrive from Afghanistan) and say:
You may have noticed that there are NO pictures of Bush like this one. NONE…

It has the advantage of being true.

84 celticdragon  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 12:22:59pm

re: #71 lawhawk

In hindsight, the unprecedented lockdown of an entire city like that was unwarranted. But at the time of the bombing, it wasn’t clear just what their training, means, measures, etc., were and whether more attacks were forthcoming. Dorner’s situation made it clear that he was targeting police, and his mode of attack to that point wasn’t bombing public spaces, but shooting police and those affiliated with them.

The Boston bombers attacked a high visibility public sports event, and could have resulted in more deaths and casualties than did occur (not unlike the fizzle in the Times Square bombing case where had the bomb gone off as planned, it could have resulted in hundreds of casualties all across the area). Police tactics in the lockdown will be debated going forward as to whether it was useful or warranted going forward. The civil liberties angle will likewise be debated.

Unfortunately (from your view), I expect that law enforcement will continue to err on the side of locking down when faced with the next inevitable bombing-type attack.

What frightens me is the Aurora bank robbery incident last summer where dozens of motorists were handcuffed at gunpoint on suspicion that the bank robber was somewhere in the vicinity. The picture of police officers pointing weapons at a terrified boy gave me nightmares for weeks.

This sort of thing…massive abrogation of civil rights (in this case, the right to literally leave your home and go to work, which cost an awful lot of people an awful lot of money who were nowhere near any unexploded pipe bombs) for law enforcement convenience smacks of outright authoritarianism.

85 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 12:23:05pm
86 engineer cat  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 12:24:21pm

apparently the suspension of 4th amendment rights in the “patriot” act were of no utility in the boston bombing?

87 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 12:26:20pm

OMG!

88 klys  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 12:28:52pm

re: #87 FemNaziBitch

OMG!

Yay for fluffy cute things! I needed that.

89 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 12:29:25pm

re: #88 klys

Yay for fluffy cute things! I needed that.

It’s talons look like polished steel.

90 klys  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 12:29:41pm

re: #89 FemNaziBitch

It’s talons look like polished steel.

It’s part of the charm!

91 AlexRogan  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 12:29:46pm

re: #22 Charles Johnson

Someone please tell me CNN didn’t really put that Elvis impersonator on and have him sing.

Please. No.

This is a news network that’s apparently no longer about “hard” news, but entertainment; witness their hires of Anthony Bourdain (and I like him a lot) and Piers Morgan.

92 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 12:30:18pm

re: #91 AlexRogan

This is a news network that’s apparently no longer about “hard” news, but entertainment; witness their hires of Anthony Bourdain (and I like him a lot) and Piers Morgan.

It’s about selling ads. It’s a product, nothing more.

93 leftynyc  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 12:31:16pm

re: #73 stabby

Ha ha ha ha!

This is where RWNJ turn the corner from increasing gun sales, to increasing gay porn sales. Careful Barton, while it may be true that some 10 or so percent of men find gay sex hot, most women and obsessed teen fan-girls do. You have no idea what you’re playing with!

I don’t know where you get your numbers about women finding gay sex hot but you’re wrong. Men, on the other hand, do love watching two women bump and grind.

94 aagcobb  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 12:32:49pm

re: #22 Charles Johnson

Someone please tell me CNN didn’t really put that Elvis impersonator on and have him sing.

Please. No.

That is exactly what I would expect from CNN. Or Comedy Central, where at least they know they are putting on comedy.

95 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 12:34:58pm

re: #93 leftynyc

I don’t know where you get your numbers about women finding gay sex hot but you’re wrong. Men, on the other hand, do love watching two women bump and grind.

No, a very large percentage of women are literally turned on by gay porn.

Hang on, I’ll see if I can find the studies.

96 stabby  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 12:36:22pm

re: #93 leftynyc

Don’t be at work when you google the word “yaoi”

97 Targetpractice  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 12:36:51pm

re: #95 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

No, a very large percentage of women are literally turned on by gay porn.

Hang on, I’ll see if I can find the studies.

Hell, if I wanted proof of that, I’d just go to the nearest anime convention.

98 klys  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 12:37:01pm

re: #95 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

No, a very large percentage of women are literally turned on by gay porn.

Hang on, I’ll see if I can find the studies.

Spend any time in fandom communities and the vast majority of slash fic (which is frequently two men) is written by females. Gay erotica is also a big seller in the erotic romance novel community, which I am fairly certain is not aimed at men.

99 AlexRogan  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 12:37:24pm

re: #30 lawhawk

AP: CNN has just announced that their new spokesperson is Joe Izuzu. New motto: You can trust me.

David Leisure does slimy and creepy very well

100 Interesting Times  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 12:38:00pm

re: #93 leftynyc

I don’t know where you get your numbers about women finding gay sex hot but you’re wrong.

Nope (the main market for books like these is women)

101 Skip Intro  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 12:43:00pm

re: #40 FemNaziBitch

Your Daily POE

See, this is what gave it away.

Although hosts Steve Doocy and Gretchen Carlson applauded Palin’s jingoism, they immediately attempted to rectify her multiple geographic errors.

“Well Islamabad is the capital of Pakistan, which isn’t Arab,” Carlson corrected, “and Tehran is the capital of Iran, which is predominantly Persian. But I do see your point.”

“Also Czech Republic isn’t really an Arab or even Muslim country, I don’t think,” Doocy added, “but otherwise what you’re saying makes a lot of sense. I think most Americans wish Obama would step up and lead on this one.”

Like I’m supposed to believe that Gretchen Carlson and Steve Doocy would know these things. Try again.

102 aagcobb  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 12:44:00pm

re: #101 Skip Intro

See, this is what gave it away.

Like I’m supposed to believe that Gretchen Carlson and Steve Doocy would know these things. Try again.

Or that they would try to correct Palin even if they did.

103 engineer cat  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 12:44:47pm

“Because I don’t care if the federal government is telling me to buy my employees Jack Daniel’s or birth control. What gives them the right to tell me that I have to do that?

governments, they tell you to do things, they’re like that

come up with a better reason

104 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 12:46:04pm

re: #103 engineer cat

“Because I don’t care if the federal government is telling me to buy my employees Jack Daniel’s or birth control. What gives them the right to tell me that I have to do that?

governments, they tell you to do things, they’re like that

come up with a better reason

Of course, my first thought was about insurance coverage for Viagra. …

105 klys  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 12:47:09pm

re: #104 FemNaziBitch

Of course, my first thought was about insurance coverage for Viagra. …

But that is totally different as it is a …medical necessity…

You know, like how guys have to go through tons of paperwork to prove that that’s for treatment of a medical condition and not so they can just go out and get laid?

106 Skip Intro  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 12:50:43pm

re: #44 Targetpractice

It’s Rush being contrarian for no other reason than to be in constant opposition to anything that isn’t Rush Limbaugh. In this case, he’s suddenly against authoritarianism and against disruption of our lives in the name of security, something he had no problem with when it was Republicans doing it in the name of the “War on Terrorism.”

The only thing Biden and Obama could do that would please Limbaugh is to shoot each other, and ideally take out another 50 or so Dems from the Senate at the same time.

Of course then he’d be bitching that they still left the “libtards” on the Supreme Court.

107 Bulworth  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 12:52:43pm

I’m sure if Rand Paul had said those exact words the RWNJ would be falling all over themselves in rapturous awe.

108 Ojoe  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 12:55:26pm

Go ahead and insult them all you want Joe, that’s fine with me.

Youtube Video

BBL
109 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 12:56:18pm

re: #106 Skip Intro

The only thing Biden and Obama could do that would please Limbaugh is to shoot each other, and ideally take out another 50 or so Dems from the Senate at the same time.

Of course then he’d be bitching that they still left the “libtards” on the Supreme Court.

It’s just horrible when you can’t have everything just as you want it. The obvious response is to throw a tantrum. It’s what any self-respecting RWNJ would do.

*spit*

110 engineer cat  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 12:58:00pm

them new model tesla electrical motor cars is jumping offa the shelves here in no cal

111 leftynyc  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 12:59:50pm

re: #96 stabby

Don’t be at work when you google the word “yaoi”

I’ll take your word on that and wait till later. I’m from NY and I can’t think of one girlfriend who likes gay porn. The guys……totally the opposite.

112 blueraven  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 1:00:37pm

re: #31 leftynyc

Sigh - and if they had gone on with their lives as if nothing had happened, it would have been “Pres and MA don’t take terrorism seriously”. I can’t remember which right winger pointed out that people have just tuned out the right wing outrage machine because they’ve cried wolf too many times and have absolutely no credibility with anyone outside their echo chamber.

It was one day. One damn day. I dont think there were explicit orders for people to stay home (outside of the watertown neighborhood), just recommended. No worse than a snow day.

113 Bubblehead II  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 1:04:41pm

The nutty professor is at it again.

You know you have entered Alex Jones territory when even Faux news is ridiculing you.

The nutty Florida Atlantic University professor who suggested the Sandy Hook school massacre was staged is at it again, blogging that the Boston Marathon bombing was some sort of government drill.

114 klys  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 1:05:39pm

re: #111 leftynyc

I’ll take your word on that and wait till later. I’m from NY and I can’t think of one girlfriend who likes gay porn. The guys……totally the opposite.

Most of my girlfriends aren’t necessarily the most open about it except in certain circumstances. It’s also debatable to what extent the porn videos are marketed at women, but that may in part be because porn in general tends not to be marketed towards women.

But there is definitely a huge level of interest in male/male romances among females, and quite a fair bit of it is erotic.

115 leftynyc  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 1:10:44pm

re: #100 Interesting Times

I’m not sure what that list is showing and I’m hesitant to click at work. Does m/m mean man on man? How strange…..I’ve been around gays my entire life, parents had gay friends also, lived in NY except for when I was in college and I have no desire to watch or read about two men having sex. I’m not into the video part of porn on any level but have read some great erotica. Meanwhile, all my straight male friends get woodies just talking about two women being together.

116 leftynyc  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 1:12:34pm

re: #114 klys

Most of my girlfriends aren’t necessarily the most open about it except in certain circumstances. It’s also debatable to what extent the porn videos are marketed at women, but that may in part be because porn in general tends not to be marketed towards women.

But there is definitely a huge level of interest in male/male romances among females, and quite a fair bit of it is erotic.

I think video porn is geared towards men but erotica literature is geared towards women. At least, that’s what my limited experience has taught me.

117 klys  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 1:12:39pm

re: #115 leftynyc

Convention is typically that m/m indicates the romance is between two males.

I’m not saying this is a thing that works for all women, just like watching two women get it on doesn’t necessarily work for all guys. But it’s definitely a thing.

118 klys  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 1:14:05pm

OT, but have I mentioned lately how awesome the Obamas are?

“What we’ve said to the girls is, ‘If you guys ever decided you’re going to get a tattoo, then mommy and me will get the exact same tattoo in the same place. And we’ll go on YouTube and show it off as a family tattoo,” Obama said.

119 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 1:14:44pm

from 1860 and we are still, STILL, trying to convince people it’s true:

Women’s degradation is in man’s idea of his sexual rights. Our religion, laws, customs, are all founded on the belief that woman was made for man. Come what will, my whole soul rejoices in the truth that I have uttered. -Elizabeth Cady Stanton

Letter to Susan B. Anthony (1860-06-14)

120 leftynyc  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 1:15:02pm

re: #117 klys

Convention is typically that m/m indicates the romance is between two males.

I’m not saying this is a thing that works for all women, just like watching two women get it on doesn’t necessarily work for all guys. But it’s definitely a thing.

Oh - I believe you. It just hasn’t been a “thing” in my world (which I’ve always considered very not prudish). The women I know love the erotic when it comes to toys and literature but video was strictly a guy thing (both straight and gay). I guess I learned something today.

121 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 1:15:41pm

re: #120 leftynyc

Oh - I believe you. It just hasn’t been a “thing” in my world (which I’ve always considered very not prudish). The women I know love the erotic when it comes to toys and literature but video was strictly a guy thing (both straight and gay). I guess I learned something today.

Men are very visual creatures when it comes to sexuality, I’ve learned. Women, need to “feel” it.

122 leftynyc  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 1:16:39pm

re: #121 FemNaziBitch

Men are very visual creatures when it comes to sexuality, I’ve learned. Women, need to “feel” it.

Agreed.

123 DisturbedEma  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 1:16:42pm

re: #118 klys

I got my first tattoo after my divorce…my older kids were cool with it, my younger ones…kept trying to rub them off

124 Decatur Deb  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 1:17:06pm

re: #71 lawhawk

In hindsight, the unprecedented lockdown of an entire city like that was unwarranted. But at the time of the bombing, it wasn’t clear just what their training, means, measures, etc., were and whether more attacks were forthcoming. Dorner’s situation made it clear that he was targeting police, and his mode of attack to that point wasn’t bombing public spaces, but shooting police and those affiliated with them.

The Boston bombers attacked a high visibility public sports event, and could have resulted in more deaths and casualties than did occur (not unlike the fizzle in the Times Square bombing case where had the bomb gone off as planned, it could have resulted in hundreds of casualties all across the area). Police tactics in the lockdown will be debated going forward as to whether it was useful or warranted going forward. The civil liberties angle will likewise be debated.

Unfortunately (from your view), I expect that law enforcement will continue to err on the side of locking down when faced with the next inevitable bombing-type attack.

If the people of Boston are outraged at their treatment, they’ll know what to do next election day.

125 klys  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 1:17:22pm

re: #120 leftynyc

Oh - I believe you. It just hasn’t been a “thing” in my world (which I’ve always considered very not prudish). The women I know love the erotic when it comes to toys and literature but video was strictly a guy thing (both straight and gay). I guess I learned something today.

Most women I know too are more into the toys and literature aspect, but there are women who enjoy the visual. Out here on the Left Coast, there’s a really nice series of sex-positive toy stores that include a selection of erotic films marketed towards women. Not my thing, but still interesting to know about.

126 Interesting Times  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 1:17:37pm

re: #115 leftynyc

I’m not sure what that list is showing and I’m hesitant to click at work. Does m/m mean man on man?

It’s just the google search results for m/m romance, which brings up mostly book sites (as I’m thinking more of the m/m subgenre of romance novels, which definitely has a following among women).

127 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 1:17:59pm

More Truth from Elizabeth Cady Stanton:

The prejudice against color, of which we hear so much, is no stronger than that against sex. It is produced by the same cause, and manifested very much in the same way. The negro’s skin and the woman’s sex are both prima facie evidence that they were intended to be in subjection to the white Saxon man.

Speech before the New York Legislature (1860-02-18)

128 klys  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 1:20:03pm

re: #123 DisturbedEma

I got my first tattoo after my divorce…my older kids were cool with it, my younger ones…kept trying to rub them off

The main thing keeping me from getting a tattoo is that I can’t figure out what I would want to get that I would a) still like and b) still look good at age 70.

Having a tattoo also makes things more interesting at Japanese hot springs, as there a tattoo is traditionally considered a sign of membership in the yakusa. A lot of places won’t allow patrons with tattoos as a result.

129 engineer cat  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 1:22:50pm

getting closed to 40 years since i got my one tattoo

these days it’s a faded rose of years gone by…

130 aagcobb  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 1:26:26pm

re: #129 engineer cat

getting closed to 40 years since i got my one tattoo

these days it’s a faded rose of years gone by…

Going to his mansion in the sky?

131 DisturbedEma  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 1:27:43pm

re: #128 klys

Mine are not obvious and are VERY symbolic of my life for the past 6 years- rebirth from ashes, light after dark…I’m guessing I’d still be tattoo free if my life had not become a Jerry Springer episode on crack…

132 Kragar  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 1:28:47pm

Fischer: Gays Should Face Job Discrimination Just As ‘We Discriminate Against Shoplifters’

As part of Bryan Fischer’s attempts to “reclaim the ‘D’ word” — discrimination — the American Family Association spokesman is praising a Catholic school in Ohio which fired a teacher after she named her partner in her mother’s obituary.

“The school discriminated against this teacher, yes they absolutely did and they should have,” Fischer said, “they were absolutely right to do it…. It is right to discriminate against people who engage in aberrant sexual behavior, we should discriminate against people like that.”

Fischer maintained that the school was right to discriminate against her “immoral sexual behavior” in the same way “we discriminate against shoplifters.”

133 lawhawk  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 1:31:55pm

re: #132 Kragar

Wait. What?

Discrimination? From his general worldview, he’d much rather prosecute those who are gay, because that’s what we do to shoplifters.

134 aagcobb  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 1:33:32pm

re: #132 Kragar

Fischer: Gays Should Face Job Discrimination Just As ‘We Discriminate Against Shoplifters’

I personally don’t have a problem with expressly religious institutions requiring authority figures within the institution to comply with its religious beliefs.

135 DisturbedEma  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 1:34:43pm

re: #132 Kragar

I read the obit- it also named a dog as preceding her mother in death…which I found much more strange than the fact that her daughter had a female partner…but I digress;
So discrimination of this sort is correct…but saying Happy Holidays instead of Christmas is REAL discrimination??

This guy is the Uber Asshat Handicap General…

136 EPR-radar  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 1:35:01pm

re: #133 lawhawk

Wait. What?

Discrimination? From his general worldview, he’d much rather prosecute those who are gay, because that’s what we do to shoplifters.

This is why hateful bigots like B. Fischer get all bent out of shape when sodomy laws (even if they are unenforced) get knocked out in court.

They really do want to see their own hate, bigotry and stupidity made into law.

137 DisturbedEma  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 1:36:54pm

re: #134 aagcobb

I’d be much more likely to support religious institutions that PRACTICED what they preach…

138 GunstarGreen  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 1:37:43pm

re: #135 DisturbedEma

I read the obit- it also named a dog as preceding her mother in death…which I found much more strange than the fact that her daughter had a female partner…but I digress;
So discrimination of this sort is correct…but saying Happy Holidays instead of Christmas is REAL discrimination??

This guy is the Uber Asshat Handicap General…

It is a worldview that holds that the only legitimate person is a WASP, the more fundamentalist the better. Discrimination is fine as long as you are discriminating against illegitimate people, which is to say non-WASPs.

139 DisturbedEma  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 1:38:56pm

re: #136 EPR-radar

I’ll say it again- Last I heard “sodomy the act” is NOT restricted to any one sexual orientation, while it seems that for some it is code for homosexual male sex

140 DisturbedEma  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 1:40:14pm

re: #138 GunstarGreen

Yeah, cuz Jesus was so into that kind of thing…just trying to be more like him///

141 leftynyc  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 1:40:54pm

re: #139 DisturbedEma

I’ll say it again- Last I heard “sodomy the act” is NOT restricted to any one sexual orientation, while it seems that for some it is code for homosexual male sex

I remember when I learned that the legal definition of sodomy was any sex that didn’t lead to procreation - pretty stunning. How about that guy in VA (supposed to be for lovers) wanting to outlaw it for even married straights? I think he’s running for governor.

142 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 1:41:26pm

Think NASA meant to draw a dong, or a lot of tire-tracks going to wind up sometimes looking dong-shaped?

Think NASA intentionally drew a dong, or are a lot of things just dong-shaped? Image: mer2-590.jpg

143 DisturbedEma  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 1:42:03pm

re: #140 DisturbedEma

Hmmm just remembered the slight flak that the new pope got for washing the feet of females during the preEaster rituals…so even if you DO what Jesus did, you can’t win…very confusing

144 DisturbedEma  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 1:42:42pm

re: #141 leftynyc

Wow that is mind boggling

145 Kragar  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 1:43:47pm

House Republican Rebranding Effort Suffers Major Setback

Amid opposition from conservative members and Democrats, House Republican leaders abruptly cancelled a vote on legislation designed to simultaneously undermine a progressive piece of Obamacare and boost the party’s credibility with voters who support protections for people with preexisting medical conditions conditions.

The legislation would have transferred $3.6 billion from the Affordable Care Act’s prevention and public health fund to a temporary, underfunded high-risk pool plan in the law to cover sick people with preexisting conditions for the rest of 2013, until Obamacare’s guarantee of insurance coverage for all people kicks in.

Republicans described it as an effort to help sick people where President Obama had failed.

The move is a significant blow to GOP leaders and their efforts to soften the party’s image. It reflects their inability to secure sufficient conservative buy-in for even modest legislation aimed at improving the Republican party’s brand, and suggests that their only real hope for moderating the GOP’s reputation is to buck the right and pass genuinely moderate legislation with Democratic support.

The legislation failed because it was neither a straight attack on the ACA, which likely could have passed with Republican votes alone, nor a genuine effort to improve it. It was a backdoor attempt to damage a permanent piece of Obamacare — which alienated the entire Democratic party — in order to temporarily bolster another part of the law, costing them conservative votes.

146 EPR-radar  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 1:43:58pm

re: #139 DisturbedEma

I’ll say it again- Last I heard “sodomy the act” is NOT restricted to any one sexual orientation, while it seems that for some it is code for homosexual male sex

Depends on details of how the law is written. However, even if a sodomy law on the books outlawed some kinds of straight sex, selective enforcement would ensure that its effects mainly hit non-straight people.

147 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 1:44:51pm

What the Not-so-Whackos don’t seem to understand is that, while religion has many positive aspects and can be very helpful to individuals, the Whackos are preaching the negative and hurtful aspects of religion.

This is causing The Sane to disregard all religion. “Throwing the Baby out with the Bathwater” in a sense.

I want to shake people sometimes.

149 HappyWarrior  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 1:49:03pm

re: #132 Kragar

Fischer: Gays Should Face Job Discrimination Just As ‘We Discriminate Against Shoplifters’

But it’s discrimination if you call him and those like him a bigot. Fischer’s a fascist. Nearly alll his screeds are about how individuals rights should be eliminated.

150 blueraven  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 1:50:28pm

re: #142 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Think NASA meant to draw a dong, or a lot of tire-tracks going to wind up sometimes looking dong-shaped?

Think NASA intentionally drew a dong, or are a lot of things just dong-shaped? Image: mer2-590.jpg

What dong, I dont see a dong?

where has this thread gone anyway?

//

151 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 1:53:10pm

What were we just talking about?

Anyone recognize the top pic?

152 jaunte  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 1:56:22pm

re: #151 FemNaziBitch

Le déjeuner sur l’herbe.

153 Kragar  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 1:56:32pm

re: #151 FemNaziBitch

What were we just talking about?

Anyone recognize the top pic?

Le déjeuner sur l’herbe

154 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 1:59:57pm

re: #152 jaunte

re: #153 Kragar

thanks!

155 GunstarGreen  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 2:09:01pm

re: #148 FemNaziBitch

Conservative Group Photoshops Black Woman’s Face Out of Photo in Anti-Voting Rights Mailer

What right wing racism?!

If you ever doubted that right-wing ‘vote security’ legislation was entirely about disenfranchising non-whites, well here you go. It’s Jim Crow all over again in the year 2013.

156 blueraven  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 2:14:54pm

re: #148 ggt

Conservative Group Photoshops Black Woman’s Face Out of Photo in Anti-Voting Rights Mailer

OMG they just cloned the woman’s face that is behind the photoshopped woman. The same face. Fail!

157 HoosierHoops  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 2:18:57pm

re: #155 GunstarGreen

What right wing racism?!

If you ever doubted that right-wing ‘vote security’ legislation was entirely about disenfranchising non-whites, well here you go. It’s Jim Crow all over again in the year 2013.

But..But.. The GOP has a big tent!
The way they are progressing they will fade to black ( no pun intended ) in the future.
It’s a shame really They have done some good things in the past and
Now it all for naught as they fly into the neutral zone full speed ahead.

158 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 2:19:46pm

re: #156 blueraven

OMG they just cloned the woman’s face that is behind the photoshopped woman. The same face. Fail!

Yeah to me that’s even more jacked up than removing the black person.

159 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 2:19:50pm

re: #134 aagcobb

I personally don’t have a problem with expressly religious institutions requiring authority figures within the institution to comply with its religious beliefs.

Yeah well, that should apply MOAR to ordained clergy not raping little children as to non-Catholic teachers of secular subjects living their personal private non-Catholic lives.

160 blueraven  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 2:20:42pm

See woman in hoodie and the woman behind her. Same face

Image: hb1303mailer.jpg

original photo

Image: voting-line.jpg

161 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 2:24:57pm

Pot With Pieces of Skull and Teeth Found at Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood International Airport

A pot filled with fragments of skull and teeth along with dirt and rocks was found at a security checkpoint at the Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood International Airport on Wednesday.

Around 3 p.m., TSA agents advised local authorities that sealed pottery in a carry on bag broke open and the remains were found. There was also a second sealed pot, which remained intact.The discovery was made a the C security checkpoint in Terminal 1.

Two women, who were headed to Baltimore on an AirTran flight with the two pots, told deputies that they had visited Cuba earlier in the week and bought the two pots in a “religious-type shop.”

162 Bubblehead II  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 2:28:24pm

re: #148 FemNaziBitch

Conservative Group Photoshops Black Woman’s Face Out of Photo in Anti-Voting Rights Mailer

Taking lessons fro N. Korea I see. With the same dismal results.

Fail.

1/2/ But our base is just a bunch of angry ignorant white folk. They wont notice/care that we shopped the pic.

163 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 2:31:49pm

re: #161 NJDhockeyfan

I’ll take it if no one else wants it.

164 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 2:39:45pm

re: #160 blueraven

See woman in hoodie and the woman behind her. Same face

Image: hb1303mailer.jpg

original photo

Image: voting-line.jpg

Quick, someone clone-tool that face onto every person in the photo (even if they’re facing the wrong way).

165 miclaine  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 3:02:45pm

Are you a real jihadi …. i mean
Are you a jihad jihadi? ….
Or an american jihadi?

No offense to anyone - especially FZ, the headline made me think(?) …..

166 stabby  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 3:04:07pm

re: #127 FemNaziBitch

Having spent years arguing (and often being shocked by) wingnuts, it doesn’t make sense to me to equate prejudice against races with sexism.

1st of all, wingnuts who are prejudiced by race can be women as well as men. 2nd of all their racial prejudice is based a feeling that these people are unworthy, lazy, sinful and/or criminal, are not like them, are enemies.

Sexism is more an extreme exaggeration of sex roles - promoted as part of tradition and religion. And adhering to these is considered part of their identity.

Sexual mores (for instance, “be straight!” “be monogamous!”) seem more closely related to sexism to me. Both are based in image and exaggerations of sexual instinct, and on a belief that everything about sex and gender have to be maximally controlled. That extreme level of control has left me at times wondering if any Christians get some sort of sexual charge from the whole act. Are they turned on by having God-approved sexuality? Similarly I’ve wondered if they get a sexual charge out of disapproving of other people, or perhaps, from punishing them. Is legislation a form of S&M?

167 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 3:37:14pm

re: #148 FemNaziBitch

Conservative Group Photoshops Black Woman’s Face Out of Photo in Anti-Voting Rights Mailer

photoshopped the black guy in the back completely out of the photo, too.

ETA: but left in the black guy in the black hat between her and the shaved head guy.

168 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 4:58:00pm

re: #67 Kragar

Barton: ‘Decent People Find [Homosexuality] Absolutely Reprehensible and Disgusting’

You must be a homosexual then, Mr. Barton. Because I’m a decent person and I find you reprehensible and disgusting.

169 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 5:04:48pm

re: #95 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

No, a very large percentage of women are literally turned on by gay porn.

Hang on, I’ll see if I can find the studies.

As a romance/erotica writer I have a lot of experience in the field, and I can say that many women really, really like gay romance/erotica. Probably porn too, but that’s pretty much outside my field.

170 klys  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 5:06:01pm

re: #169 Romantic Heretic

As a romance/erotica writer I have a lot of experience in the field, and I can say that many women really, really like gay romance/erotica. Probably porn too, but that’s pretty much outside my field.

Dude, what types?

/reads romance like there’s no tomorrow

171 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 5:06:04pm

re: #169 Romantic Heretic

Hey, are you a for reals published author?

172 Cardio (formerly JRCMYP)  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 5:40:26pm

re: #63 celticdragon

I fucking hate myself for saying it, but Limbaugh has a valid point on this one, IMO.

Dorner was a bigger threat by an order of magnitude, but nobody suggested locking down Southern California to get him. Likewise, dangerous criminals who go on spree killings are an almost weekly fact of life in America, but we do not lock down major metropolitan areas to catch them and confine hundreds of thousands of citizens to their homes (forcing Boston PD to deliver milk to families…seen in a viral picture)

If they wanted to terrorize America and damage civil liberties, they succeeded beyond their wildest fucking hopes.

Of course, if this had happened under a Rmoney administration, Limbaugh would be calling the lockdown prudent and sensible.

I think it was unnecessary, damaging to public morale and utterly disproportionate to the threat these two idiots posed.

Completely disagree with you. People seem to forget that this was a voluntary “shelter in place” request. In Watertown, however, I don’t know ANYONE who actually thought it was a good idea to go outside.

173 sugikoi  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 5:57:11pm

re: #169 Romantic Heretic

As a romance/erotica writer I have a lot of experience in the field, and I can say that many women really, really like gay romance/erotica. Probably porn too, but that’s pretty much outside my field.

In Japan gay manga is very popular among housewives. Every regular bookstore has a section of romances between young men and 90% of the customers for this brand are women.

174 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 5:57:23pm

re: #170 klys

Dude, what types?

/reads romance like there’s no tomorrow

I’m more on the erotic side of things these days, and kinky. If you click on my handle at the top of this post it will take you to my website. You can find my work there.

I’m currently working on a set of vampire romance stories. I wrote all of them several years ago, but I’m a much better author now so I can improve them. You can see the cover for that on my website.

re: #171 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Hey, are you a for reals published author?

There’s a kind of complicated answer to that. I was published by some e-book publishers, which some people don’t regard as published. Sour grapes on their part, in my opinion.

But one of the publishers went under and took my royalties with them. The other didn’t exactly make an effort to push my work. So I’m doing the self published thing these days. More money in it.

175 klys  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 6:08:06pm

re: #174 Romantic Heretic

I’m more on the erotic side of things these days, and kinky. If you click on my handle at the top of this post it will take you to my website. You can find my work there.

I’m currently working on a set of vampire romance stories. I wrote all of them several years ago, but I’m a much better author now so I can improve them. You can see the cover for that on my website.

re: #171 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

There’s a kind of complicated answer to that. I was published by some e-book publishers, which some people don’t regard as published. Sour grapes on their part, in my opinion.

But one of the publishers went under and took my royalties with them. The other didn’t exactly make an effort to push my work. So I’m doing the self published thing these days. More money in it.

I’ve definitely heard good things about self-publishing these days. It takes work, no doubt about that, but especially in some of the niche markets it’s made a huge difference.

176 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 6:21:03pm

re: #175 klys

The biggest problem with self-publishing is that now the reader has to filter out the crap rather than the publisher. I’ve read somethings with, um, highly creative use of punctuation, grammar, spelling and formatting. Plus characters who were as shallow as a cardboard cutout and a plot that resembles a hypercube. It might make sense if your perceptions are in other dimensions, but I’m only human.

It makes my eyes bleed, it does.

The worst I ever read was by a rather well known Canadian wingnut. It was hideous.

177 klys  Wed, Apr 24, 2013 6:23:14pm

re: #176 Romantic Heretic

That is the downside to it. It’s why things like excerpts matter.

But I prefer being able to do some of the filtering myself instead of having very little available because it doesn’t fit what some editor decided they were looking to publish. Or I can’t find a copy because it’s gone out of print. Etc.


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