Russia Tells US That Tamerlan Tsarnaev Did Not Contact Terror Groups During 2012 Trip

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We all know the Republican Party, aided by right wing blogs and media (as always), will now engage in an orgy of recriminations and second-guessing, trying every possible way to use the Boston terror attack against the Obama administration.

We know this because it’s what they do. And the first line of attack will be that President Obama ignored warning signs about the Tsarnaev brothers. The crazier right wingers are already spinning this into conspiracy theories, suggesting (or saying outright) that Obama sympathized with the terrorists and helped them carry out their plot.

But there’s already a monkey wrench in their toxic conspiracy soup, because Russia has informed the US that Tamerlan Tsarnaev did not contact terror groups during his trip to Russia in 2012.

WASHINGTON — Russia has informed the United States that it knew of no contact between Tamerlan Tsarnaev and any known terrorist groups during his six-month trip to Dagestan in 2012, according to an official who attended a closed-door Senate briefing Thursday morning by top counterterrorism officials.

Russia provided the information to US authorities five days ago, the official said.

The statements could bolster theories that Tsarnaev and his younger brother, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, were acting on their own when they allegedly planted two bombs near the finish line of the Boston Marathon on April 15, and not at the behest of any foreign terror groups.

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1 SteveMcGazi  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 10:35:24am

Doggystan?

2 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 10:35:33am

As if the right-wing is going to believe anything the Russians say in any case. It will just be encysted within the conspiracy.

3 GeneJockey  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 10:35:45am
But there’s already a monkey wrench in their toxic conspiracy soup, because Russia has informed the US that Tamerlan Tsarnaev did not contact terror groups during his trip to Russia in 2012.

Seriously, I doubt this throws a monkey wrench into the soup (nice mixed metaphor!). It just means the Rooskies were in on it with the Mooozlims!

4 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 10:36:30am

re: #2 Feline Fearless Leader

As if the right-wing is going to believe anything the Russians say in any case. It will just be encysted within the conspiracy.

Actually the wingnuts will believe stuff the Russians and even the Communists say as long as it fits their narrative.

5 calochortus  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 10:39:10am

re: #4 Vicious Babushka

Actually the wingnuts will believe stuff the Russians and even the Communists say as long as it fits their narrative.

There’s still going to be some massive cognitive dissonance. Putin said women shouldn’t wear hijab in schools and the wingnuts were with him all the way. Now the Ruskies are covering up for terrorists. Whom to believe???!!!

6 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 10:40:00am

re: #5 calochortus

There’s still going to be some massive cognitive dissonance. Putin said women shouldn’t wear hijab in schools and the wingnuts were with him all the way. Now the Ruskies are covering up for terrorists. Whom to believe???!!!

Wingnuts were also reTweeting some article from Pravda saying that Americans should NEVER GIV UP THERE GUNZ!!11!!

7 Charles Johnson  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 10:40:18am
8 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 10:41:37am

re: #7 Charles Johnson

Did the FBI Bungle the Tsarnaev Case?

The suggestion, obviously, is that the bureau brushed aside clear warnings that could have prevented the Boston Marathon bombing.

But it didn’t.

9 klys  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 10:44:17am

Posting this again here, because it’s important and a lot of folks seem to be jumping to conclusions unsupported by evidence (and while I dislike the media, I suspect Sunil’s passing can’t be laid at their feet):

Sunil had actually been missing for a month by the time of the marathon bombings, and was on approved leave from Brown University. News reports have stated that he was dealing with depression. Some reports have indicated that there was a note left behind when he left his apartment without his wallet or phone.

I do feel strongly for his family but I don’t think the evidence supports an assumption of foul play, unless it happened that night after he left his apartment - well before his name was ever mentioned in connection with the bombing, or even before the bombings took place.

10 GeneJockey  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 10:44:26am

re: #8 Vicious Babushka

But it didn’t.

That’s what they want you to believe!!!
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BTW, how does one apply the Wingnut font?

11 SteveMcGazi  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 10:44:51am

re: 7 Charles Johnson

Did they at least “cover their ass”?

12 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 10:45:11am

re: #10 GeneJockey

That’s what they want you to believe!!!
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BTW, how does one apply the Wingnut font?

[*wingnut*][*/wingnut*] (Remove the *)

13 RabbitRunner  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 10:45:35am

Nothing to say Tsarnev didn’t meet up with some Chechen loonies when he was there, after all the Russians didn’t monitor him 100% of the time. After all, didn’t the Russians initially warn us of him? I smell some Russian labyrinthine double speak.

14 Political Atheist  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 10:46:49am

re: #7 Charles Johnson

Beware malware in that site if my McAfee is right.

15 calochortus  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 10:46:49am

re: #13 RabbitRunner


And nothing to say he did. Your point is…?

16 GeneJockey  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 10:47:59am

re: #12 Vicious Babushka

Testing…

BENGHAZI!!111!

THANKS!!!

17 Ming  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 10:48:08am

re: #2 Feline Fearless Leader

As if the right-wing is going to believe anything the Russians say in any case. It will just be encysted within the conspiracy.

I don’t mean to denigrate Russia here, but there is something disturbing when info from the Russian Government feels like “the reliable source, the adult in the room”, compared with the American right-wing media.

18 iossarian  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 10:48:10am

re: #7 Charles Johnson

Did the FBI Bungle the Tsarnaev Case?

Seems a pretty well-reasoned look into the law behind the FBI’s actions. Though of course I’m probably suffering from confirmation bias in this situation.

19 lawhawk  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 10:49:56am

re: #7 Charles Johnson

Individuals familiar with the FBI investigation have confirmed to me that Russia made no official requests to the bureau beyond its original request. These individuals also said that Russian officials did not respond to the FBI’s requests for additional information and noted that such behavior is not unusual: Russia’s intelligence service, the FSB, has often failed to proactively aid the FBI’s counterterrorism efforts — it has been more concerned with appearing cooperative than with providing actual assistance.

20 Targetpractice  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 10:50:20am

re: #16 GeneJockey

Testing…

THANKS!!!

Speaking of which, Darrell Issa (of F&F fame) is starting up yet another investigation into Benghazi, using the report pushed the other day as grounds for accusing Obama of “covering up”…something.

21 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 10:51:33am

Anyone who visits Russia gets put on some kind of watch list.

In 2007 Zedushka and I spent 3 weeks in Moscow. We had to obtain special tourist visas which were glued into our passports in holographic fabulousness.

We traveled from Detroit to Amsterdam, and my son met us in Amsterdam (he flew from JFK) and we took a flight together to Moscow.

When we returned to the U.S. the customs officer asked “Where is the 3rd member of your party?” (Meaning they knew that somebody joined us in Amsterdam)

We had a bunch of pirated DVDs in our luggage, we could have been so busted!!

Also, every flight we took for the next 2 years got us special attention from the TSA because of that fabulous holographic Russian visa!!11!!

22 GunstarGreen  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 10:52:18am

re: #17 Ming

I don’t mean to denigrate Russia here, but there is something disturbing when info from the Russian Government feels like “the reliable source, the adult in the room”, compared with the American right-wing media.

I don’t mean to X, but srsly now X.

23 darthstar  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 10:52:50am

THAT DOESN’T FIT THE NARRATIVE!!!

24 GeneJockey  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 10:54:45am

re: #20 Targetpractice

Driving home last night, listening to KGO radio News/Talk out of SF, generally moderate), I heard an ad for the “Conservative Majority Fund”, banging the drum to

Impeach Obama! over his lies about Benghazi and Fast and Furious

Gah.

25 danarchy  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 10:55:13am

My problem with this headline is “it knew of no contact between Tamerlan Tsarnaev and any known terrorist groups” does not equal “did not contact”.

I really hope that they had no outside contact and this thing began and ended with them. This is a huge problem in scientific reporting where a headline will say something that if you actually read the story is the opposite of what is being reported. This example is less egregious than a lot of others, but when you put journalistic standards aside for a snappy headline, that isn’t a good thing.

26 Kragar  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 10:55:55am

re: #20 Targetpractice

Speaking of which, Darrell Issa (of F&F fame) is starting up yet another investigation into Benghazi, using the report pushed the other day as grounds for accusing Obama of “covering up”…something.

House GOP Freshmen Feel Left Out Of Failed Obamacare Repeal Rituals

Rep. Mick Mulvaney (R-SC) urged leadership to hold a repeal vote so freshman members can serve up the same anti-Obamacare talking points for their conservative constituents that more senior Republicans enjoy.

“If you’re a freshman — the guys who’ve been up here the last year, we can go home and say listen, we voted 36 different times to repeal or replace Obamacare. Tell me what the new guys are supposed to say,” he said. “We haven’t had a repeal or replace vote this year.”

“We have not had a chance as freshmen to do that,” said first-term Rep. Trey Radel (R-FL). “Even if it’s just symbolic — and even if we understand that process-wise we are not going to be able to say, okay we want repeal, it’s done, and it’s over. But this is the issue that so many people around the country who love the Republican Party are frustrated with.”

27 Bulworth  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 10:55:59am

re: #24 GeneJockey

Conservative Majority Fund. Yeah, that sounds like another great outfit for lighting piles of money on fire. /

28 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 10:56:43am

Jim Hoft retweeted:

29 darthstar  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 10:57:00am
30 calochortus  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 10:58:51am

Sort of OT, but speaking of narratives, I saw a lot of concern over at FR about terrorism being responsible for industrial “accidents”. Specifically the barge explosions in Mobile last night. I’m not sure whether the commenter copied below was trying to say it was just an accident or not, but I do love the idea that regulations lead to a lower level of safety.

To: PDGearhead
It is the slow breakdown of worker responsibility described as in Atlas Shrugged. Regulation upon regulation leads to the people feeling like they don’t need to think or use common sense. The culmination mark is the tunnel scene where the wrong kind of train is used. The lead up to the moment describes the layers upon layers in the decision tree to use one locomotive or wait. But sprinkled throughout the storyline is the malaise of common sense and safety.

As we wind down into the socialist/fascist pit we will begin to witness a drop in workplace safety. These ‘accidents’ we’re seeing now are just the tip of the iceberg. As these ‘accidents’ increase in frequency, expect to see tougher enforcement or more ‘rules’ put into place.

We’d have to do some research, but curiosity would be to look at ‘accidents’ during the Clinton, Bush years verses what we’ve witnessed under 0bama in a short 5 year span?

The reality is these ‘accidents’ are just a symptom of the larger changes taking place in our culture and society.
123 posted on Thu Apr 25 03:12:14 2013 by EBH (Warning this person is a Catholic, Tea Party Patriot, and owns a copy of Atlas Shurgged)
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“I smell gas, but with all these safety regulations in place, I think I’ll just light a match…”
/

31 GunstarGreen  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 10:59:34am

re: #26 Kragar

House GOP Freshmen Feel Left Out Of Failed Obamacare Repeal Rituals

Politics before Governance.

They should all be kicked out of congress for abdication of duty. My gut wants me to suggest something more extreme, but I’m trying to be better than that.

32 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:00:09am

re: #30 calochortus

Sort of OT, but speaking of narratives, I saw a lot of concern over at FR about terrorism being responsible for industrial “accidents”. Specifically the barge explosions in Mobile last night. I’m not sure whether the commenter copied below was trying to say it was just an accident or not, but I do love the idea that regulations lead to a lower level of safety.

“I smell gas, but with all these safety regulations in place, I think I’ll just light a match…”
/

Yeah, all those regulations they have in Bangladesh…*EYE ROLL*

33 Kragar  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:01:12am

re: #28 Vicious Babushka

Jim Hoft retweeted:

Yes, because when every moron in the US is blowing huge wads of cash to buy up all the ammo they can, its obviously government rationing to blame.

34 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:02:35am

re: #30 calochortus

Sort of OT, but speaking of narratives, I saw a lot of concern over at FR about terrorism being responsible for industrial “accidents”. Specifically the barge explosions in Mobile last night. I’m not sure whether the commenter copied below was trying to say it was just an accident or not, but I do love the idea that regulations lead to a lower level of safety.

“I smell gas, but with all these safety regulations in place, I think I’ll just light a match…”
/

In my opinion that’s a huge load of BS.

From my industrial experience there is carping and moaning when some of the regulations, training, and emphasis on following safety procedures being followed. However, it is also appreciated that there is concentration on keeping the workers and facility safe as compared to corners being cut and production and profit for the owners being pushed in exchange for the workers being placed in unsafe conditions.

35 Targetpractice  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:02:43am

re: #33 Kragar

Yes, because when every moron in the US is blowing huge wads of cash to buy up all the ammo they can, its obviously government rationing to blame.

“I just bought up a shit-ton of ammo last week, now I can’t find any! Obama must be involved!!!”

36 Ian G.  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:02:56am

It doesn’t matter. This will be the new Benghazi to the right-wing nutcase brigade, by which I mean, they’ll be harping on it for months, they’ll be blabbering about how it was worse than 9/11, and normal people will be wondering what the hell they’re yelling about and tune them out.

37 calochortus  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:03:19am

re: #32 Vicious Babushka

You’d think that would kind of be a lesson to anti-regulation types, but apparently not.

38 Ian G.  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:04:08am

re: #4 Vicious Babushka

Actually the wingnuts will believe stuff the Russians and even the Communists say as long as it fits their narrative.

True. One winger in my Facebook feed once quoted Vladimir Putin to suggest that Obama is deliberately trying to wreck the US economy. It made my head hurt.

39 iossarian  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:04:13am

re: #30 calochortus

Sort of OT, but speaking of narratives, I saw a lot of concern over at FR about terrorism being responsible for industrial “accidents”. Specifically the barge explosions in Mobile last night. I’m not sure whether the commenter copied below was trying to say it was just an accident or not, but I do love the idea that regulations lead to a lower level of safety.

“I smell gas, but with all these safety regulations in place, I think I’ll just light a match…”
/

Fireball Explosion on Mobile River… Atlas Farted.

40 GunstarGreen  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:04:14am

re: #33 Kragar

Yes, because when every moron in the US is blowing huge wads of cash to buy up all the ammo they can, its obviously government rationing to blame.

Hey man, you’re gonna need lots of ammo for your AR-15 when Uncle Sam starts rolling that Abrams through your front wall.

I will never, ever understood the hardcore “getcher guns and ammo before the gub’mint takes ‘em” worldview. If the government actually wanted to take your guns from you, all the ammo and assault rifles in the world wouldn’t help you, because they’d just be blowing you to hell with a drone being piloted by some kid with a joystick a thousand miles away.

41 darthstar  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:04:20am

re: #35 Targetpractice

“I just bought up a shit-ton of ammo last week, now I can’t find any! Obama must be involved!!!”


I need a case of .44s now!


Sorry, we’re sold out.

Fine, give me two cases of .22s!

42 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:04:44am

re: #36 Ian G.

It doesn’t matter. This will be the new Benghazi to the right-wing nutcase brigade, by which I mean, they’ll be harping on it for months, they’ll be blabbering about how it was worse than 9/11, and normal people will be wondering what the hell they’re yelling about and tune them out.

Benghazi is the new Benghazi! In case you haven’t noticed, they are still harping on Benghazi more than Boston and Newtown is already long forgotten.

43 Kragar  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:05:19am

“Regulations will cripple the economy!”

Except for businesses and industries which help to enforce and provide support for those regulations, improved services and consumer confidence, and cracking down on waste and fraud which actually could cripple the economy.

44 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:05:26am

re: #39 iossarian

Fireball Explosion on Mobile River… Atlas Farted.

Was it fueled by all that fertilizer on the Carnival ship?

45 Ian G.  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:05:57am

re: #32 Vicious Babushka

Yeah, all those regulations they have in Bangladesh…*EYE ROLL*

We need to repeal the regulations that caused the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory fire.

46 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:06:21am

re: #43 Kragar

“Regulations will cripple the economy!”

Except for businesses and industries which help to enforce and provide support for those regulations, improved services and consumer confidence, and cracking down on waste and fraud which actually could cripple the economy.

Yeah, because a factory blowing up and leveling an entire town totally won’t cripple the economy.//

47 calochortus  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:06:28am

re: #43 Kragar

“Regulations will cripple the economy!”

Except for businesses and industries which help to enforce and provide support for those regulations, improved services and consumer confidence, and cracking down on waste and fraud which actually could cripple the economy.

But what about the disaster recovery businesses/rebuilders?

48 Kragar  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:06:48am

re: #46 Vicious Babushka

Yeah, because a factory blowing up and leveling an entire town totally won’t cripple the economy.//

Pff, that will never happen.
/

49 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:07:24am

re: #45 Ian G.

We need to repeal the regulations that caused the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory fire.

BRING BACK THOSE JRRBZ THAT TEH YOONYUNZ CAUSED 2 B OUTSOURCED TO BANGLADESH!!11!!1

50 lawhawk  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:07:48am

re: #35 Targetpractice

“I just bought up a shit-ton of ammo last week, now I can’t find any! Obama must be involved!!!”

Shit-ton of ammo? Is that somewhere between a metric ton and a long ton? And is that greater or lesser than a derp-ton? /

51 RabbitRunner  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:08:34am

re: #15 calochortus

But that begs the question of why did the Russians in the first place inform the US of their suspicions about Tsarnev. So the Russians thought he was a terrorist then claim he contacted no terrorists.

52 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:09:28am

re: #50 lawhawk

Shit-ton of ammo? Is that somewhere between a metric ton and a long ton? And is that greater or lesser than a derp-ton? /

It’s about the same as a fuck-ton.

53 Charles Johnson  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:09:33am

re: #51 RabbitRunner

But that begs the question of why did the Russians in the first place inform the US of their suspicions about Tsarnev. So the Russians thought he was a terrorist then claim he contacted no terrorists.

No, the Russians thought there was reason to be concerned about him - there’s no indication that they “thought he was a terrorist.”

54 Kragar  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:09:58am

re: #51 RabbitRunner

But that begs the question of why did the Russians in the first place inform the US of their suspicions about Tsarnev. So the Russians thought he was a terrorist then claim he contacted no terrorists.

Russians are pretty much suspicious of all Chechnyans.

55 Targetpractice  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:10:03am

re: #50 lawhawk

Shit-ton of ammo? Is that somewhere between a metric ton and a long ton? And is that greater or lesser than a derp-ton? /

It’s the imperial equivalent to a metric buttload, and is equal to two shit loads.

//

56 calochortus  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:10:27am

re: #51 RabbitRunner

They were evidently concerned because he was an ethnic Chechen, not so far as I’ve read, because they had any actual evidence.

57 darthstar  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:11:10am

re: #54 Kragar

Russians are pretty much suspicious of all Chechnyans.

That’s why they invaded them in 1968

58 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:11:42am

DERP DERP HURR HURR


Is it possible that Boston PD enforced the lockdown because they didn’t want random citizens running around with their AR-15’s?

59 lawhawk  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:13:17am

So, all of a sudden there’s a realization by the wingnuts (and this includes Drudge) that there’s a whole lot of stuff that the US government does that we can’t really do without. Lots of stuff that doesn’t get a whole lot of press, until it’s shut down by the sequester.

Now, you’re worried about the NOAA budget? Now you’re worried that the budget might lead to bad outcomes on disaster warnings and predictions? Because that’s what rational folks were saying for months while the sequester talk rang out. And we have no one to blame but the GOP for this situation because they refused to cut a deal because of their no-taxes pledge. They abdicated their duties to govern in favor of a pledge to help the rich grow their wealth even further.

60 Kragar  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:14:15am

re: #58 Vicious Babushka

DERP DERP HURR HURR


Is it possible that Boston PD enforced the lockdown because they didn’t want random citizens running around with their AR-15’s?

COMMUNISM!
///

61 calochortus  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:15:06am

re: #59 lawhawk

Kind of like the Repubs saying air traffic controllers were furloughed with no warning. Except of course, there was plenty of discussion of it 2 months ago-along with the fact it would take some time to implement the furloughs.

62 GeneJockey  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:15:48am

re: #33 Kragar

Yes, because when every moron in the US is blowing huge wads of cash to buy up all the ammo they can, its obviously government rationing to blame.

Markets - how do they work?

63 Kragar  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:16:02am

When dealing with criminals armed with explosives and other weapons, the best thing to do is to flood the streets with as many armed, untrained, non-uniformed people as possible.

64 calochortus  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:16:52am

Well, time to go get stuff done.

65 erik_t  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:16:52am

re: #61 calochortus

Kind of like the Repubs saying air traffic controllers were furloughed with no warning. Except of course, there was plenty of discussion of it 2 months ago-along with the fact it would take some time to implement the furloughs.

Republican members of Congress aren’t exactly known for going to meetings.

66 Single-handed sailor  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:17:39am

re: #24 GeneJockey

Driving home last night, listening to KGO radio News/Talk out of SF, generally moderate), I heard an ad for the “Conservative Majority Fund”, banging the drum to

Gah.

KGO? Are you sure you weren’t on KSFO by accident?

//

67 gwangung  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:17:42am

re: #63 Kragar

When dealing with criminals armed with explosives and other weapons, the best thing to do is to flood the streets with as many armed, untrained, non-uniformed people as possible.

…who don’t (and probably WON’T) want to communicate and coordinate with each other.

68 Lidane  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:17:48am

re: #58 Vicious Babushka

Is it possible that Boston PD enforced the lockdown because they didn’t want random citizens running around with their AR-15’s?

Seriously. I got into that argument on FB the other day.

Given the sequence of events — the bombing, the MIT cop getting killed, the carjacking, the firefight with cops complete with explosives, etc. — law enforcement getting everyone else in the city off the streets and into their homes was probably the only decision they could have made. Putting everyone else out of the line of fire means no more innocent casualties, no vigilantes on the street, and no confusion for law enforcement, since the only person outside will be the guy they’re looking for.

But noooo. The Paultard troofer I was debating was not only convinced that the FBI was to blame for the bombing, but that it was ZOMG MARTIAL LAW for the cops and law enforcement to get everyone else out of harm’s way. WTF.

69 darthstar  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:18:04am

re: #65 erik_t

Republican members of Congress aren’t exactly known for going to meetings.

They prefer to hold press conferences outside while the meeting is in progress so they can complain about not getting the information they would be getting if they were inside.

70 gwangung  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:20:39am

re: #68 Lidane

Seriously. I got into that argument on FB the other day.

Given the sequence of events — the bombing, the MIT cop getting killed, the carjacking, the firefight with cops complete with explosives, etc. — law enforcement getting everyone else in the city off the streets and into their homes was probably the only decision they could have made. Putting everyone else out of the line of fire means no more innocent casualties, no vigilantes on the street, and no confusion for law enforcement, since the only person outside will be the guy they’re looking for.

But noooo. The Paultard troofer I was debating was not only convinced that the FBI was to blame for the bombing, but that it was ZOMG MARTIAL LAW for the cops and law enforcement to get everyone else out of harm’s way. WTF.

Folks should name alternate strategy and tactics. For bonus credit, they should elucidate the pluses and minuses of each.

71 Kragar  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:20:40am

Rep. blasts House hearing on ‘bizarre conspiracy theories’ about DHS ammunition hoarding

“To the extent that we’re responding to conspiracy theories or whatever, I think we’re really wasting everybody’s time on that,” Tierney said in his opening statement. “It might have been predictable that Sarah Palin would have taken opportunity to feed these conspiracy theories with statements that the government was preparing for civil unrest, but it was a little more disturbing that Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-IA) would seize the opportunity to accuse the government cornering the market on ammunition to drive up prices.”

“Unsubstantiated false conspiracy theories have no place in this committee room — hopefully,” he continued. “Federal ammunition purchases are a fraction of the total ammunition market and they’ve been decreasing in recent years. Even the National Rifle Association distances itself from these conspiracy theories.”

72 Targetpractice  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:20:59am

re: #59 lawhawk

So, all of a sudden there’s a realization by the wingnuts (and this includes Drudge) that there’s a whole lot of stuff that the US government does that we can’t really do without. Lots of stuff that doesn’t get a whole lot of press, until it’s shut down by the sequester.

Now, you’re worried about the NOAA budget? Now you’re worried that the budget might lead to bad outcomes on disaster warnings and predictions? Because that’s what rational folks were saying for months while the sequester talk rang out. And we have no one to blame but the GOP for this situation because they refused to cut a deal because of their no-taxes pledge. They abdicated their duties to govern in favor of a pledge to help the rich grow their wealth even further.

And before this it was the air traffic controller furloughs, and before that the Medicare cancer treatments, before that it was national parks, and so forth. For years we’ve heard nothing but bitching about how they want the government out of these things, that they think that such spending is not only wasteful, but unconstitutional. Now they’re whining that the sky really is falling and nobody around them seems to believe when they blame Obama.

73 RabbitRunner  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:22:38am

re: #53 Charles Johnson

Well, why would the Russians be concerned if they didn’t have a well founded suspicion of him? After all, he was just visiting, not a resident. So they were concerned about him but now claim he didn’t contact any Chechen radicals. Sorry, but given the historic bad reputation of the Russian secret police, I am not buying that.

74 Kragar  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:23:13am

re: #70 gwangung

Folks should name alternate strategy and tactics. For bonus credit, they should elucidate the pluses and minuses of each.

I propose establishing an elite cadre of police officers given the powers of judge, jury, and executioner who patrol the streets on motorcycles, dispensing summary justice at their discretion.
/

75 lawhawk  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:24:07am

re: #58 Vicious Babushka

Doubt that was the case. The NYPD didn’t shut down the City or impose marital law after the 9/11 attacks, even as they didn’t know the full scope of the attacks or whether there’d be other follow-on attacks of a similar type or focus.

They did shut bridges/tunnels, though that was as much to allow emergency access to lower Manhattan.

In hindsight the lockdown orders in Boston were overkill. At the time, their PD thought that was justified since they didn’t know the scope of the attacks in progress or whether more would be imminent.Their PD isn’t nearly as large or capable to deal with incidents in the way that the NYPD is (size does matter). the NYPD could flood the city (with about 470sq miles) with its 30k police force, while Boston could muster little more than 2,100 officers to cover 90 square miles. Even if Boston was getting mutual support from the feds and neighboring communities, they would be looking at a manpower shortage to deal with a crisis of the type they were facing.

Reducing the number of people on the street, in their view, would make it easier to respond to where the suspects were sighted, or to spot a suspect attempting to flee despite the lockdown.

The problem is that it’s likely to be a crutch for forces elsewhere in the country when they face a similar situation. I get localized shutdowns when a suspect has been identified and those in the immediate vicinity are told to stay in place to avoid being collateral casualties, but a city-wide shutdown is something that ought to be avoided.

76 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:24:11am

re: #2 Feline Fearless Leader

As if the right-wing is going to believe anything the Russians say in any case. It will just be encysted within the conspiracy.

77 Charles Johnson  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:24:18am

It’s amazing to me to see mainstream right wingers now spewing bigoted anti-Muslim statements that go far, far beyond anything I ever posted at LGF even in the days right after 9/11.

America Has Gone From Melting Pot to Pressure Cooker | Fox News

We have allowed, due to our liberal values and constitutional priorities on free exercise of religion, the one religion on earth that cannot, in its natural state, peacefully coexist with other religions, to migrate across the map. 

Instead of pouring into Islam the western values of toleration for other ideas, values, and ways of life as Islam migrated, liberalism decided that not only would it be bigoted to do, we must not even dare confront it or treat it differently from religions that do not produce suicide bombers and international riots.

Now, in America, we have an untamed religion with calls for submission not tempered by the extra 600 years Christianity has had to temper, a liberalism that has left a cultural vacuum wherein many find themselves adrift looking to their own cultural connections to find their place in the world, and young Muslim men who, in that cultural vacuum, look not just to Islam, but an empowering Islam that can fill deep voids through demands for submission.

Boston is just the beginning.

This narrative is becoming the mainstream right wing ideology — demonizing all Muslims is now standard for the right. And it’s often combined with this toxic crap about “liberalism.”

It’s getting really awful out there. The one thing I give George W. Bush credit for is that he often called for tolerance and understanding after 9/11, and refused to jump on the bigotry bandwagon even though it probably would have benefited him politically.

Now there is absolutely nobody on the right who does this. The craziness has completely taken over.

78 GunstarGreen  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:24:30am

It’s getting to the point that I truly believe it should be a crime for a congress critter to propose “spending reduction” without naming specific programs. Republicans piss and moan all day about how we need to cut spending, and then they piss and moan about literally every single cut that actually gets made.

Seriously, can we just have a public lashing of each senator/representative that voted for the sequester and is now bitching about the sequester actually happening?

79 Kragar  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:25:25am

Barton: ‘Bioshock Infinite’ Is Teaching Kids to Hate Conservatives and Christians

Today on “WallBuilders Live,” David Barton seemingly picked up on that story. Though he never mentioned the game by name, Barton told co-host Rick Green that there is a game out right now where players shoot conservatives and Christians and that this is just like what the Nazis did in demonizing Jews:

Barton: Christians are starting to be ruled out in many areas in our country. I don’t know if you’re familiar with it, but there’s a new video game out now and in this video game you shoot the bad guys, you go in and kill the bad guys and the bad guys are Christians and conservatives.

Green: Are you kidding me?

Barton: For real. There is a video game out now where the bad guys you are supposed to shoot are both conservatives and Christians. So that’s the ones that kids are being taught you have to rule out … see, this is the kind of stuff that the Nazis started early on with young people and getting them to hate Jews, teaching them at Jews were bad and all the bad things that Jews did. And Jews did not have the political platform to be able to turn that around. Now Christians still do and if Christians don’t get involved [in politics] we’re going to have trouble.

Of course, to anyone even remotely familiar with this game, or the series in general, Barton’s interpretation of the plot if literally laughable.

You know, it is odd that he didn’t mention that the bad guy in the first Bioshock game was career criminal who posed as a champion of the underclass in order to take control over a Randian empire or that the main enemy at the center of Bioshock 2 was seeking to build a collectivist utopia.

It is almost as if Barton has literally no idea what he is talking about.

80 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:26:53am

re: #65 erik_t

Republican members of Congress aren’t exactly known for going to meetings.

If you already know everything you need to know, why bother?
//

81 biorabbi  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:27:46am

re: #73 RabbitRunner

Russia may not be revealing all she knows. Boston has a very large Chechen community. Countries have been known to spy on one another… including the Ruskies… inside the US. It’s just a thought. This is the one ethnic community Russia would want to keep tabs on. In this context, any young Chechen male(and female)who travels back and forth would be of interest.

82 Kragar  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:28:52am

re: #80 Feline Fearless Leader

If you already know everything you need to know, why bother?
//

You know how those politicians lie…

WAIT A DAMN MINUTE!
/

83 Mattand  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:29:23am

re: #79 Kragar

Barton: ‘Bioshock Infinite’ Is Teaching Kids to Hate Conservatives and Christians

First off: kids shouldn’t be playing Bioshock Infinite. It’s rated M.

Second: Conservatives and some Christians do a good job of getting people to hate them by their lonesome.

84 Kragar  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:30:29am

re: #83 Mattand

First off: kids shouldn’t be playing Bioshock Infinite. It’s rated M.

Second: Conservatives and some Christians do a good job of getting people to hate them by their lonesome.

Don’t be silly. Everyone knows only kids play video games.

85 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:30:55am

DERP FAIL

86 GunstarGreen  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:30:56am

re: #79 Kragar

Barton: ‘Bioshock Infinite’ Is Teaching Kids to Hate Conservatives and Christians

Facts are irrelevant, there is only the outrage.

There aren’t even any christians in the game. Their ‘religion’ is the religion of Americana; they worship Ben Franklin, George Washington and Thomas Jefferson (it can also be argued that they worship the primary antagonist, Comstock). The christian God, if it is even mentioned at all (I can’t remember if there may have been one or two audio logs that did), is never used as a primary deity for anything.

This aside from the fact that halfway through the game the primary enemy force changes from those folks to the rebelling worker collective.

87 lawhawk  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:31:50am

re: #72 Targetpractice

From the archives (written the day before the NYC metro area was about to get hammered by #Sandy):

One of the reasons that folks like Gov. Christie, Gov. Cuomo and Mayor Bloomberg are even able to indicate flood evacuations and have some insight into where and how to expect damage is due to the scientists at the NOAA and other federally funded labs providing data, analysis, and the equipment that provides storm tracks and forecasts.

Cutting funding to the NOAA would put millions of people at risk from floods and loss of life.

The hydrologists at the NOAA are advising about potential inland flooding - from rivers and streams, as well as urban flooding and storm surge along the coast. Flooding costs the nation billions of dollars annually in damage, so anything that can mitigate those costs is worthwhile.

It allows political leaders to go ahead and issue evacuations to those that need it while not unduly evacuating areas that might not need them - focusing where resources can and should be devoted.

Everyone knew, or had reason to know, that cutting the NOAA budget would lead to loss of data on flood prediction, warnings, and mitigation attempts. Congress did nothing. The GOP specifically refused to deal with this in any credible manner. The NOAA budget cut is on them.

88 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:32:31am

re: #58 Vicious Babushka

DERP DERP HURR HURR


Is it possible that Boston PD enforced the lockdown because they didn’t want random citizens running around with their AR-15’s?

I still shake my head that the wingnuts somehow believe that everyone in Boston cowered inside their homes wishing they had an AR-15.
I have friends in Boston. Liberal friends. They have guns and, unlike most wingnuts I know, they actually know how to use them.

89 iossarian  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:32:58am

re: #59 lawhawk

So, all of a sudden there’s a realization by the wingnuts (and this includes Drudge) that there’s a whole lot of stuff that the US government does that we can’t really do without. Lots of stuff that doesn’t get a whole lot of press, until it’s shut down by the sequester.

Now, you’re worried about the NOAA budget? Now you’re worried that the budget might lead to bad outcomes on disaster warnings and predictions? Because that’s what rational folks were saying for months while the sequester talk rang out. And we have no one to blame but the GOP for this situation because they refused to cut a deal because of their no-taxes pledge. They abdicated their duties to govern in favor of a pledge to help the rich grow their wealth even further.

Careful LH. Sounding like a sorta-socialist there.

90 Kragar  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:33:19am

re: #85 Vicious Babushka

DERP FAIL

I love how people who warn about Sharia are always so quick to jump on the idea of implementing biblical laws.

91 Lidane  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:33:51am

re: #79 Kragar

It is almost as if Barton has literally no idea what he is talking about.

So in other words, it’s Thursday.

92 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:33:59am

re: #74 Kragar

I propose establishing an elite cadre of police officers given the powers of judge, jury, and executioner who patrol the streets on motorcycles, dispensing summary justice at their discretion.
/

and armed with drones! don’t forget the drones!!!
//

93 GunstarGreen  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:34:22am

re: #90 Kragar

I love how people who warn about Sharia are always so quick to jump on the idea of implementing biblical laws.

It’s not about keeping religion out of government. It’s about making sure the government endorses the correct religion.

94 darthstar  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:36:49am
95 Kragar  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:37:51am

re: #93 GunstarGreen

It’s not about keeping religion out of government. It’s about making sure the government endorses the correct religion.

They say they want to allow prayer in schools, but every time I attempt to praise the Ruinous Powers, they get all uppity.

96 klys  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:39:22am

re: #70 gwangung

Folks should name alternate strategy and tactics. For bonus credit, they should elucidate the pluses and minuses of each.

My prediction: most would fail to get past the word elucidate.

97 darthstar  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:40:32am

Cool…Kelly Ayotte’s support has started slipping since her “No” vote on background checks.

98 Targetpractice  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:40:43am

re: #86 GunstarGreen

Facts are irrelevant, there is only the outrage.

There aren’t even any christians in the game. Their ‘religion’ is the religion of Americana; they worship Ben Franklin, George Washington and Thomas Jefferson (it can also be argued that they worship the primary antagonist, Comstock). The christian God, if it is even mentioned at all (I can’t remember if there may have been one or two audio logs that did), is never used as a primary deity for anything.

This aside from the fact that halfway through the game the primary enemy force changes from those folks to the rebelling worker collective.

Each of the Bioshock games was about taking a philosophy to its logical extreme and then using it as the backdrop for a morality story. For Bioshock it was Objectivism, Bioshocked 2 had Collectivism, and now Bioshock Infinite has Nationalism.

99 Kragar  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:41:16am

Keyes: US May Be ‘Preparing our Military Forces to do Violence against Christian Denominations’ That Oppose Gay Rights

Alan Keyes is out with a new column today arguing that Christians should not shy away from violence in the face of the “gruesome violence [that] is being done to Christians.” He also argues that the U.S. government may soon join in on the anti-Christian “genocidal threats,” perhaps as a result of the gay rights movement.

“[I]t’s not at all unreasonable to see, in certain recurring reports, signs that the U.S. government is preparing our military forces to do violence against Christian denominations that refuse to abandon God’s Word on matters like homosexuality,” Keyes writes, urging Christians to “be prepared to execute God’s law” and “release the power of God’s Word against the perpetrator of evil.”

Alan Keyes may be snorting heroin off a dead goat’s ass as he writes these articles.

It would be irresponsible not to speculate.
/

100 gwangung  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:41:22am

re: #96 klys

My prediction: most would fail to get past the word elucidate.

Well…that was part of the point….

101 Targetpractice  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:41:51am

re: #95 Kragar

They say they want to allow prayer in schools, but every time I attempt to praise the Ruinous Powers, they get all uppity.

You think you got it bad? Shoulda seen the looks I got by the time I’d finished with “Ia ia Cthulhu fhtagn.”

//

102 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:42:23am

re: #79 Kragar

Here’s a random interesting fun fact: There’s a great takedown of Barton’s stupid book on Jefferson. The book that takes down Barton’s idiocy is called Getting Jefferson Right and I highly recommend it.

And it was written by two conservative Christian guys who happen to also be academics and were so pissed off at the factual errors that they wrote the book. It’s a proof that people can be very deeply religious and still do good scholarship. What is necessary is a lot like the division of church and state. Their scholarship admits only to the facts. They’re not even historians, they just got really annoyed at that kind of grabby, revisionist evangelical thought that transforms every important past good person into an Evangelical.

103 Kragar  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:45:14am

re: #101 Targetpractice

You think you got it bad? Shoulda seen the looks I got by the time I’d finished with “Ia ia Cthulhu fhtagn.”

//

I’m getting pretty damn pissed that every time I try to provide blood for the blood god, I’m told peoples’ right to self defense supersedes my rights to exercise my religious beliefs. What about my first amendment rights?
///

104 GunstarGreen  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:45:50am

re: #95 Kragar

They say they want to allow prayer in schools, but every time I attempt to praise the Ruinous Powers, they get all uppity.

Same deal with Louisiana allowing vouchers to christian private schools, and then balking when muslim schools applied for the program as well.

Again, it’s not about religious freedom, it’s about ensuring the government endorses the Correct religion.

There is no valid logical basis for any exception to any law to be made for religious reasons, nor for any special privilege to be given to any religion. Because I can take a few scraps of paper and put together the holy book of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, and there is no valid logical basis to say that any other religion is more legitimate than mine in that case.

105 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:46:37am

re: #96 klys

My prediction: most would fail to get past the word elucidate.

10 characters, and it starts and ends with the same letter. Other than that, who knows?

106 AntonSirius  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:47:29am

re: #13 RabbitRunner

Nothing to say Tsarnev didn’t meet up with some Chechen loonies when he was there, after all the Russians didn’t monitor him 100% of the time. After all, didn’t the Russians initially warn us of him? I smell some Russian labyrinthine double speak.

I’m pretty sure the Russians monitor Chechen loonies 100% of the time, and would have made note of a Yankee tourist connecting with them.

I’m also pretty sure that’s not Russian labyrinthine double speak you’re smelling.

107 GunstarGreen  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:47:52am

re: #103 Kragar

I’m getting pretty damn pissed that every time I try to provide blood for the blood god, I’m told people’s right to self defense supersedes my rights to exercise my religious beliefs. What about my first amendment rights?
///

You could always switch over to providing skulls for the skull throne. They’re less difficult to acquire legally.

108 klys  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:49:01am

re: #105 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

10 characters, and it starts and ends with the same letter. Other than that, who knows?

It’s such a fun word to say. Just say it over and over again and vary the emphasis. Elucidate. E-LU-cidate. Elu-CI-date.

109 Kragar  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:49:59am

re: #107 GunstarGreen

You could always switch over to providing skulls for the skull throne. They’re less difficult to acquire legally.

They’re traditionally supposed to be hand picked.

110 erik_t  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:51:35am

re: #108 klys

It’s such a fun word to say. Just say it over and over again and vary the emphasis. Elucidate. E-LU-cidate. Elu-CI-date.

You sound like a very polite and academic Dalek.

111 klys  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:52:21am

re: #110 erik_t

You sound like a very polite and academic Dalek.

I have a new slogan.

112 AntonSirius  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:57:31am

re: #78 GunstarGreen

It’s getting to the point that I truly believe it should be a crime for a congress critter to propose “spending reduction” without naming specific programs. Republicans piss and moan all day about how we need to cut spending, and then they piss and moan about literally every single cut that actually gets made.

That’s a feature not a bug.

They get to appease the Tea Party with their spending cut talk, and then try to let the Democrats take the blame for any actual cuts that get made. It’s been their playbook for a while now.

113 EPR-radar  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 12:00:46pm

re: #112 AntonSirius

That’s a feature not a bug.

They get to appease the Tea Party with their spending cut talk, and then try to let the Democrats take the blame for any actual cuts that get made. It’s been their playbook for a while now.

Putting the wars of GW Bush on the credit card is also part of this plan. Any GOP elected official who bleats about deficits today, but voted for the Bush tax cuts and wars is a complete and total hypocrite.

114 AntonSirius  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 12:02:53pm

re: #108 klys

It’s such a fun word to say. Just say it over and over again and vary the emphasis. Elucidate. E-LU-cidate. Elu-CI-date.

re: #110 erik_t

You sound like a very polite and academic Dalek.

WOULD YOU LIKE SOME TEA???!!!?!?!?

Still my favorite Dr Who moment of all time.

115 Bulworth  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 12:05:23pm
He also argues that the U.S. government may soon join in on the anti-Christian “genocidal threats,” perhaps as a result of the gay rights movement.

Yeah, they may soon join, or they may not soon join. Whatever. //

116 Kragar  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 12:09:28pm

re: #114 AntonSirius

re: #110 erik_t

WOULD YOU LIKE SOME TEA???!!!?!?!?

Still my favorite Dr Who moment of all time.

“Madame Vastra wondered if you were needing any grenades.”
“Grenades?”
“She might have said help.”

117 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 12:59:00pm

re: #108 klys

It’s such a fun word to say. Just say it over and over again and vary the emphasis. Elucidate. E-LU-cidate. Elu-CI-date.

It forces a lot of different shapes in the mouth and tongue.

118 Ming  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 4:03:41pm

re: #77 Charles Johnson

The one thing I give George W. Bush credit for is that he often called for tolerance and understanding after 9/11, and refused to jump on the bigotry bandwagon even though it probably would have benefited him politically.

Now there is absolutely nobody on the right who does this. The craziness has completely taken over.

I’m not a big fan of George W. Bush, but I admire his lack of bigotry after 9/11. I recall that either on 9/11/2001 or the very next day, he reached out very directly to American Muslims. I believe he appeared in public with Muslim leaders.

Yes, as you say, what a contrast to some current Republican officeholders.

119 RabbitRunner  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 5:01:11pm

Just for a little historical background. Stalin exiled the whole Chechen nation to Siberia for collaborating with the Germans during WW ll

120 MikeTheModerateDemocrat  Fri, Apr 26, 2013 1:35:37pm

I shudder at the hatred and rage that would have come from the right after September 11 2001 if Gore had been president.

121 Pato  Sat, Apr 27, 2013 11:46:24pm

Well, but the Ruskies did intercept this… which shows the FBI did fumble. It was a wiretap conversation between Mrs. Tsarnaev & her older son. Which explains why Obama thanked Putin.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20130427/DA5U41103.html

Also lost in the shuffle: these folks get access to the US because they are supposedly being persecuted in Russia. Yet, they go back to that country to spend 6+ months? Does anyone see the irony in this case? Mark Steyn does:


http://www.nationalreview.com/article/346768/tk

122 Charles Johnson  Sun, Apr 28, 2013 2:16:49pm

re: #121 Pato

Well, but the Ruskies did intercept this… which shows the FBI did fumble. It was a wiretap conversation between Mrs. Tsarnaev & her older son. Which explains why Obama thanked Putin.

Uh, no. Maybe you missed this part of the article you linked:

The conversations are significant because, had they been revealed earlier, they might have been enough evidence for the FBI to initiate a more thorough investigation of the Tsarnaev family.

As it was, Russian authorities told the FBI only that they had concerns that Tamerlan and his mother were religious extremists. With no additional information, the FBI conducted a limited inquiry and closed the case in June 2011.

So no, the FBI did NOT “fumble.”

123 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Sun, Apr 28, 2013 2:19:31pm

re: #121 Pato

Well, but the Ruskies did intercept this… which shows the FBI did fumble. It was a wiretap conversation between Mrs. Tsarnaev & her older son. Which explains why Obama thanked Putin.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20130427/DA5U41103.html

Also lost in the shuffle: these folks get access to the US because they are supposedly being persecuted in Russia. Yet, they go back to that country to spend 6+ months? Does anyone see the irony in this case? Mark Steyn does:


http://www.nationalreview.com/article/346768/tk

The National Review? Seriously?

124 Charles Johnson  Sun, Apr 28, 2013 2:28:21pm

re: #121 Pato

Also lost in the shuffle: these folks get access to the US because they are supposedly being persecuted in Russia. Yet, they go back to that country to spend 6+ months? Does anyone see the irony in this case? Mark Steyn does

I’m quite sure Mark Steyn thinks that’s just awful, because he’s a first class nativist bigot who doesn’t see immigrants as fully human beings who might still have families in their original countries.

125 Varek Raith  Sun, Apr 28, 2013 2:35:16pm

re: #121 Pato

Reading comprehension fail.
Also, Steyn is a bigot.


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