Boston Suspects Planned to Set Off Bombs in Times Square

They didn’t make it there
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Two days ago we featured a Boston Globe report with a new detail: that the Tsarnaev brothers told their carjack victim they were headed to New York. Today, New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg held a press conference to reveal more information:

(Reuters) - The two men accused of carrying out last week’s bombing of the Boston Marathon planned a second bomb attack on New York’s Times Square, New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg said on Thursday.

The brothers Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev’s original intent when they hijacked a car and its driver in Boston last Thursday night was to drive to New York with bombs and detonate them in Times Square, but their plan fell apart when they became embroiled in a shootout with police.

“Last night we were informed by the FBI that the surviving attacker revealed that New York City was next on their list of targets,” Bloomberg said at New York City Hall. “He and his older brother intended to drive to New York and detonate those explosives in Times Square.”

Since it takes about 4 to 5 hours to drive from Boston to New York, these dim-witted jihadis would have gotten to Times Square very early in the morning, when almost no one would have been there.

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219 comments
1 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:48:21am

It sounds as though they did everything wrong, except that they managed to kill 3 people and maim over 200 more.

2 Kragar  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:48:23am

Well, they did have the means to detonate remotely. Perhaps they wanted to get on site and see they lay of the land before they picked their exact target.

3 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:48:59am

Yeah, because New York would respond to the idea of terrorists on the loose driving in an unknown direction with “Well, we won’t worry about that.”

Times Square is in Manhattan. It’s on an island. It’s really, really hard to drive a bomb onto an island across a bridge when they know you’re coming.

That is, assuming they somehow dodged every cop along the way there.

This plan is so bad. I am relieved that they were so dumb. It could have been much worse.

4 erik_t  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:49:41am

Cause, I mean, nobody would be watching for suspicious packages in a place like New York City.

Fucking morons.

5 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:50:24am

Then they would just like hang around for 8 months until New Year’s Eve.

6 Charles Johnson  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:50:49am

re: #3 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Yeah, because New York would respond to the idea of terrorists on the loose driving in an unknown direction with “Well, we won’t worry about that.”

Times Square is in Manhattan. It’s on an island. It’s really, really hard to drive a bomb onto an island across a bridge when they know you’re coming.

That is, assuming they somehow dodged every cop along the way there.

This plan is so bad. I am relieved that they were so dumb. It could have been much worse.

It wasn’t even really a “plan” - more like a spur of the moment idea, conceived in desperation.

7 klys  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:50:52am

I’m not sure whether to be thankful that they were so dumb and therefore made so many mistakes or terrified that even dumb terrorists managed as much as they did.

8 darthstar  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:51:02am

If they can’t make it there, they can’t make it anywhere…

9 Kragar  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:53:33am

re: #8 darthstar

If they can’t make it there, they can’t make it anywhere…

Lil: So when I was 18 I left home and came here to Chicago.

Johnny Dangerously: Uh Lil, this ain’t Chicago. We’re in New York.

Lil: You’re kidding… Well, New York, Chicago, to a girl on her own, it’s all the same.

10 Lidane  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:53:52am

re: #1 Vicious Babushka

It sounds as though they did everything wrong, except that they managed to kill 3 people and maim over 200 more.

Beavis & Butt-Head with explosives.

The fact that these two morons didn’t blow themselves up when making their bombs is both a miracle and a tragedy.

11 Targetpractice  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:54:05am

re: #7 klys

I’m not sure whether to be thankful that they were so dumb and therefore made so many mistakes or terrified that even dumb terrorists managed as much as they did.

That these two chucklefucks managed to detonate two bombs without blowing themselves up in the process is beginning to seem like a major accomplishment for them. There was no planning, no preparation, no real ideas beyond “Blow up a bunch of people and assume nobody will manage to get our faces on camera.”

12 jaunte  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:54:19am

re: #3 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

This plan is so bad. I am relieved that they were so dumb. It could have been much worse.

Another clue that they probably weren’t being guided by some shadowy sleeper cell.

13 Charles Johnson  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:54:29am

I don’t think even these brainacs would have been dumb enough to try to build bombs without testing them. I’m very curious to know how much work they actually put into this, and where they did the tests.

14 lawhawk  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:55:20am

re: #3 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Most bridge approaches to Manhattan are tolled (and getting into NY via the NET also means crossing/paying a toll area). That means that TBTA/MTA police are manning in addition to toll collectors. Cameras all over the place. Anyone with MA plates coming towards NYC would get additional scrutiny considering the events in Boston hours/days earlier.

They would have had to run a gauntlet to avoid getting detected just getting into Manhattan. Not impossible, but not easy, especially for someone not familiar with the City and its layout.

Once in Times Square, they could have figured out a way to plant the explosives in a manner that would maximize the casualties - laying in wait for a suitable crowd. But here again, the NYPD maintains a significant presence, and even local street vendors can often tell when something isn’t quite right - a street vendor is the one who alerted the authorities to Shahzad’s fizzling car bomb. It would have been real difficult to get those devices planted. Not impossible, just difficult.

And the entirety of Times Square is blanketed with cameras. Police and private. It’s all part of the NYPD’s ring of steel plan to install cameras - cameras which are good at identifying and tracking suspects after the kind of attack that these two were planning.

15 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:56:35am

Again, I recommend “5 Most Embarrassing Failures in the History of Terrorism” (it’s at Cracked.com which is firewalled here, but you can Google for the link)

16 wrenchwench  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:58:03am
but their plan fell apart when they became embroiled in a shootout with police.

So the embroiler beats the melting pot and the pressure cooker!

17 sagehen  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:58:22am

re: #1 Vicious Babushka

It sounds as though they did everything wrong, except that they managed to kill 3 people and maim over 200 more.

If it hadn’t been for the plethora of doctors, nurses and EMTs already on hand for exhausted marathoners, plus of course the hundreds of volunteers jumping into action… the death toll would have been dozens at least.

The location they chose gave them maximum media coverage, but the lowest possible death toll for the size of their explosion.

18 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:58:26am

Interesting to note: You have to pass a security checkpoint to drive over Hoover Dam. When my wife and I were there they didn’t even ask us to pop the trunk and barely took a look in the car, they just waved us on through.

I’m not sure if that’s what you call efficiency or laziness.

19 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:58:50am

re: #15 Vicious Babushka

Again, I recommend “5 Most Embarrassing Failures in the History of Terrorism” (it’s at Cracked.com which is firewalled here, but you can Google for the link)

Is the shoe bomber on that list?

20 lawhawk  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:59:25am

re: #13 Charles Johnson

It’s that aspect that has law enforcement tracking down whether they got help from additional parties and/or training in building the devices. And why the conspiracy theories continue to multiple and mutate.

With the Shahzad case, that bomber admitted to getting training in Pakistan from the Taliban there.

No such admissions here. Only that they may have cribbed notes from some online sources?

21 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 11:59:44am

re: #19 Eclectic Cyborg

Is the shoe bomber on that list?

No, they found even bigger dumbasses.

22 Charles Johnson  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 12:00:31pm

re: #19 Eclectic Cyborg

Is the shoe bomber on that list?

If the shoe bomber had spent $1.00 on a lighter, that would have been a major disaster.

23 Kragar  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 12:01:55pm

re: #19 Eclectic Cyborg

Is the shoe bomber on that list?

The shoe bombs would have actually worked, except the guy had sweaty feet which ruined the fuses.

24 lawhawk  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 12:02:10pm

re: #17 sagehen

Mrs. Lawhawk noted something along those lines too - the attack was in Boston, where you’ve got some of the top medical trauma centers and doctors in the world just minutes away (well seconds - given that doctors were on call in the medical tents). It’s not as though the attacks occurred in some area of the country where they don’t have the number of Level 1 trauma centers and the doctors available to treat large numbers of critical patients in one shot. Speed to treatment is key in saving lives, especially ones involving the kinds of injuries here.

25 erik_t  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 12:02:24pm

re: #17 sagehen

If it hadn’t been for the plethora of doctors, nurses and EMTs already on hand for exhausted marathoners, plus of course the hundreds of volunteers jumping into action… the death toll would have been dozens at least.

They were also, as a rule, very healthy and fit people. Probably also skewed younger than the average crowd.

26 EPR-radar  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 12:02:57pm

re: #23 Kragar

The shoe bombs would have actually worked, except the guy had sweaty feet which ruined the fuses.

My favorite from that list was the small boat loaded up with so much explosives that it simply sank.

27 Kragar  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 12:03:53pm

5 Major News Stories That Forgot to Tell You the Best Part

Reid’s bomb was actually pretty sophisticated and could’ve easily blown a hole in the floor under his seat. Which, incidentally, was over a fuel tank. It was a pretty good plan that Reid had followed to a T. However, the bomb makers didn’t think of the fact that Reid was a living, breathing, leaking human being.Reid had attempted to board a flight the previous day, cool as a cucumber. And if he had made that flight, history books would probably be one tragedy richer. Instead, post-9/11 security measures latched on to the massive, peculiar-looking man, and Reid ended up being grilled by airport security and was refused boarding.

But they turned Reid loose and he was free to try again. This time, though, he was nervous as hell — and sweaty. This, together with the day’s moist weather, played merry hell with his footwear. While the bomb was still a viable explosive, it relied on a fuse made of gunpowder to set it off. Since wet gunpowder doesn’t work, and sweat makes things wet … well, Reid instead found out firsthand just how many people you can get tackled by at once.

28 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 12:06:14pm

It must suck to be mistaken for Bryan Fischer (NOT the derpy one)

29 Charles Johnson  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 12:07:04pm

re: #27 Kragar

Interesting note! That’s why he had to use several matches to try to light the fuses, and other passengers noticed it from the smell. But if he’d had a lighter, he could very well still have been able to set them off without being noticed.

30 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 12:07:14pm

Simple solution Bryan: STOP POSTING HATE TWEETS

31 lawhawk  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 12:09:04pm

re: #30 Vicious Babushka

Why should I change my name. He’s the asshole who makes crappy tweets. /Michael Bolton

32 jaunte  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 12:09:50pm
33 erik_t  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 12:10:27pm

re: #31 lawhawk

Why should I change my name. He’s the asshole who makes crappy tweets. /Michael Bolton

Not even the Bobs can stand Bryan.

34 Kragar  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 12:10:54pm

re: #32 jaunte

Wingnuts screaming about Obama politicizing the event in 5..4..3..

35 Targetpractice  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 12:11:11pm

re: #20 lawhawk

It’s that aspect that has law enforcement tracking down whether they got help from additional parties and/or training in building the devices. And why the conspiracy theories continue to multiple and mutate.

With the Shahzad case, that bomber admitted to getting training in Pakistan from the Taliban there.

No such admissions here. Only that they may have cribbed notes from some online sources?

I will say that if these two were trained terrorists, of which I doubt at least the younger brother, then it speaks of the poor state of whatever group that they’d signed on with. Really, nothing about their actions speaks to the sort of organization, planning, and execution we’ve come to associate with major terrorist groups.

36 jaunte  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 12:11:38pm

re: #34 Kragar

I fully expect some group of rural Texas idiots to boo him.

37 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 12:12:11pm

re: #30 Vicious Babushka

Simple solution Bryan: STOP POSTING HATE TWEETS

Wait, so Bryan Fischer (the AFA one) LIKES being hated?

On second thought…nevermind.

38 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 12:12:31pm

re: #36 jaunte

I fully expect some group of rural Texas idiots to boo him.

Go back to Kenya!

39 Tigger2  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 12:13:00pm

re: #32 jaunte

Hope he has a boatload of security.

40 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 12:13:46pm

re: #35 Targetpractice

I will say that if these two were trained terrorists, of which I doubt at least the younger brother, then it speaks of the poor state of whatever group that they’d signed on with. Really, nothing about their actions speaks to the sort of organization, planning, and execution we’ve come to associate with major terrorist groups.

This is why Joe Biden called them wannabees.

What if they really had tried to join a terrorist cell in Dagestan but were rebuffed because they were thought to be informants. Then they thought “I’ll show you what a badass terrorist I can be!”

41 darthstar  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 12:16:15pm

re: #39 Tigger2

Hope he has a boatload of security.

Won’t do him any good…the library’s landlocked.

42 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 12:16:17pm

forget about guns and terrorists and all that. There’s a potato cartel manipulating the potato market!!!!

43 danhenry1  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 12:16:20pm

OT?! I sometimes wonder, concerning communication within and between agencies, if there is not some other interest, that may not be working for our ideals. It seems that there is a certain government, military, industrial base that may be shaping events, much like has been done in the past.
I am not talking about conspiracies concerning the bombings in Beantown; I am talking about something far more nefarious. This has been warned about since the end of WW2.

44 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 12:17:14pm

Arizona student with “You deserve rape” sign and sermon draws outrage

A student holding a sign that read “You deserve rape” ignited outrage across campus Tuesday, on the same day of a sexual assault awareness event, but administrators declined requests to remove him or his sign.

Dean Saxton — also known as Brother Dean Samuel — regularly preaches on the UA Mall in front of Heritage Hill and the Administration building. On Tuesday, his sermon drew the attention of onlookers, several of whom either personally confronted him or complained to the Dean of Students Office.

The Dean of Students Office received stacks of written complaints, emails and multiple phone calls regarding Saxton’s sermon about women, said Kendal Washington White, interim dean of students.

Saxton has never directly threatened anyone in particular, and his language has been general enough that he isn’t targeting a particular person, White said. However, a university attorney was contacted to discuss the situation.

“We find it to be vulgar and vile,” White said. “However, it is protected speech. He has yet to, at this point, violate the student code of conduct.”

Saxton, a junior studying classics and religious studies, said his sermon was meant to convey that “if you dress like a whore, act like a whore, you’re probably going to get raped.”

“I think that girls that dress and act like it,” Saxton said, “they should realize that they do have partial responsibility, because I believe that they’re pretty much asking for it.”

Saxton’s sermon came ahead of the “Take Back the Night” event held Tuesday night, which aims to unite people against sexual violence. He said his decision to create the sign and display it was tied to the event and to the fact that April is Sexual Assault Awareness Month.

“[Saxton] is part of a larger societal culture that tolerates rape, and that’s exactly what the Oasis Program Against Sexual Assault and Relationship Violence is here to counteract,” said Megan McKendry, a violence prevention specialist with Oasis, a program out of Campus Health Service. “His message is an awful one that we condemn. No one deserves to be raped.”

University of Arizona Police Department officers also received multiple calls about an incident that took place around 12:40 p.m. involving Saxton, said Joe Bermudez, a spokesman for UAPD. The incident involved a student who tried to pull down Saxton’s sign.

Bermudez would not elaborate on the assault because the investigation is ongoing.

“I think if he’s trying to, you know, get people to know God, I think he’s just doing it wrong,” said Paola Gonzalez, a pre-pharmacy sophomore.

45 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 12:17:25pm

re: #43 danhenry1

Alex Jones much?

46 erik_t  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 12:18:32pm

re: #43 danhenry1

Set down the bong, Dan.

47 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 12:19:49pm

How is it today?

48 Kragar  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 12:21:36pm

re: #43 danhenry1

Youtube Video
49 EPR-radar  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 12:21:43pm

re: #43 danhenry1

OT?! I sometimes wonder, concerning communication within and between agencies, if there is not some other interest, that may not be working for our ideals. It seems that there is a certain government, military, industrial base that may be shaping events, much like has been done in the past.
I am not talking about conspiracies concerning the bombings in Beantown; I am talking about something far more nefarious. This has been warned about since the end of WW2.

If you mean the military-industrial complex, per Eisenhower, just say so.

However, linking the MIC to inter-agency communications (for unspecified nefarious ends) is getting well into tinfoil hat territory.

Edited to add parenthetical comment above.

50 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 12:22:37pm

So, what kind of economic system do we have in this country?

Elon Musk hates 405 Freeway traffic, offers money to speed widening

51 Kragar  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 12:23:03pm

re: #49 EPR-radar

YOU FOOL! TIN FOIL AMPLIFIES THE SIGNAL!

52 wrenchwench  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 12:24:59pm

re: #18 Eclectic Cyborg

Interesting to note: You have to pass a security checkpoint to drive over Hoover Dam. When my wife and I were there they didn’t even ask us to pop the trunk and barely took a look in the car, they just waved us on through.

I’m not sure if that’s what you call efficiency or laziness.

By the time you get to the dam, you’ve been watched for half an hour and your license plate number has probably been run through the system.

Watch the hillsides as you approach: there are law enforcement vehicles parked on dirt roads in subtle places. Been like that since 9-11-01.

Efficiency, not laziness.

53 klys  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 12:25:25pm

re: #44 Eclectic Cyborg

Arizona student with “You deserve rape” sign and sermon draws outrage

Where’s his lecture to his fellow men about not raping women?

Oh, right. Because it’s all the woman’s fault the guy couldn’t control his impulses, and that’s why women should never dress up ‘sexy’ at all.

//

54 GunstarGreen  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 12:25:29pm

re: #44 Eclectic Cyborg

Arizona student with “You deserve rape” sign and sermon draws outrage

Well, if this guy dresses like an asshole and acts like an asshole, I’d say he’s asking for it…

Extra points for clubbing him with his own sign while shouting “You deserve this!”

55 EPR-radar  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 12:27:22pm

re: #53 klys

Where’s his lecture to his fellow men about not raping women?

Oh, right. Because it’s all the woman’s fault the guy couldn’t control his impulses, and that’s why women should never dress up ‘sexy’ at all.

//

A member of the American Taliban in action.

56 wrenchwench  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 12:28:59pm

re: #54 GunstarGreen

Well, if this guy dresses like an asshole and acts like an asshole, I’d say he’s asking for it…

Extra points for clubbing him with his own sign while shouting “You deserve this!”

Don’t make me upding a call for violence. Oh, well, it’s your fault. You made a very attractive post.

57 Lidane  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 12:29:24pm

re: #43 danhenry1

Youtube Video
58 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 12:29:43pm

A new day for the ‘war on drugs’

Youtube Video

The White House published a relatively detailed report yesterday, along with the above video of President Obama addressing the drug issue in an interview, and it’s worth checking out (thanks to my colleague Anthony Terrell for the tip).

59 GunstarGreen  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 12:30:55pm

re: #56 wrenchwench

Don’t make me upding a call for violence. Oh, well, it’s your fault. You made a very attractive post.

The life of a promising lizard, forever ruined! Now there’ll be a permanent record of an upding of a violent post!

60 Tigger2  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 12:31:05pm

re: #41 darthstar

Won’t do him any good…the library’s landlocked.

Haven’t you ever heard of a prairie schooner.

61 erik_t  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 12:32:37pm

re: #56 wrenchwench

Don’t make me upding a call for violence. Oh, well, it’s your fault. You made a very attractive post.

I’m pretty sure clubbing someone with an ironic sign falls under the category of “cheeky, mirthful violence”, which is tacitly endorsed.

62 Lidane  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 12:32:49pm

GOP rebranding, y’all!

Proposed Texas Constitutional Amendment Could Help Fred Phelps Disrupt Funerals

63 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 12:32:58pm

Is this worth watching?

anyone know?

64 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 12:34:19pm

re: #62 Lidane

GOP rebranding, y’all!

Proposed Texas Constitutional Amendment Could Help Fred Phelps Disrupt Funerals

Good..GOD. I thought even the GOP thought the WBC people were nuts.

65 EPR-radar  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 12:37:20pm

re: #64 Eclectic Cyborg

Good..GOD. I thought even the GOP thought the WBC people were nuts.

It doesn’t look like they are specifically endorsing WBC. However, they do appear to be stupidly proposing legislation that could well have expediting the WBC ‘ministry’ at funerals as an unintended effect.

66 Lidane  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 12:37:56pm

re: #64 Eclectic Cyborg

Good..GOD. I thought even the GOP thought the WBC people were nuts.

They *do* think the WBC are nuts. The problem is, they’re so far up their own butts with the whole ZOMG CHRISTIAN PERSECUTION thing that they’re willing to gut a law protecting funerals from protests in order to “protect religious freedom”.

67 Kragar  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 12:38:53pm

re: #65 EPR-radar

It doesn’t look like they are specifically endorsing WBC. However, they do appear to be stupidly proposing legislation that could well have expediting the WBC ‘ministry’ at funerals as an unintended effect.

Its not so much they actively support the WBC, it is just they are fucking idiots who enable them.

68 GunstarGreen  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 12:40:50pm

That cute little “sincerely held belief” bit always cracks me up.

By which methods can anyone rationally say that they can make a proper, legal determination as to whether a belief is ‘sincerely’ held?

69 Kragar  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 12:43:40pm

Louisiana House approves measures to piss away tax payer money on frivolous court costs

House Bill 5 passed by a vote of 67-25 even as its sponsor, state Rep. Jim Morris, R-Oil City, reiterated his belief that the legislation is unconstitutional. The bill seeks to block enforcement in Louisiana of any federal laws restricting possession and ownership of semi-automatic weapons.

“Although I like what this bill states…I have $100,000 of student loans that tell me it’s probably unconstitutional,” said Rep. Joe Lopinto, R-Metairie, one of the bill’s supporters. Opponents cited the supremacy clause of the U.S. Constitution, which says any state law that conflicts with federal law is unconstitutional.

Morris also said he know the passage of his bill could open up the state to litigation. Regardless, he said it would be worth fighting the federal government on the issue even “if we have to spend every dime.”

70 EPR-radar  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 12:43:44pm

re: #68 GunstarGreen

That cute little “sincerely held belief” bit always cracks me up.

By which methods can anyone rationally say that they can make a proper, legal determination as to whether a belief is ‘sincerely’ held?

Your question is too hard. In practice, it always comes down to this:

A belief is ‘sincerely held’ if it is in agreement with the beliefs of the zealot who makes these decisions.

71 erik_t  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 12:44:18pm

In happier news…

72 EPR-radar  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 12:45:21pm

re: #69 Kragar

“To hell with governance! All we do is political theater.” —- the GOP

74 GunstarGreen  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 12:47:18pm

re: #69 Kragar

Stop government waste! Reduce frivolous spending! Fiscal Responsibility!

75 gwangung  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 12:48:11pm

re: #74 GunstarGreen

The secret immigration police - Hospitals quietly deporting immigrants who cannot pay

Wonder what this will do for disease control….

76 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 12:48:14pm

re: #74 GunstarGreen

Destroy OBAMA!!!

77 Kragar  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 12:48:25pm

Fox News Seizes On Boston Bombing To Suggest Obama Is A Secret Muslim

A day after Fox News host Bill O’Reilly wondered why Obama refused to condemn radical Islam before the Boston bombers’ motives were known, the network suggested that Obama’s middle name might provide the answer. Radio host Bill Cunningham implied, while appearing on Sean Hannity’s program, that Obama’s upbringing in Indonesia prevents him from opposing terrorism:

CUNNINGHAM: Sean Hannity, maybe his middle name is a clue, as well as the fact that he spent his childhood practicing the Muslim faith. I think — of course he’s a Christian now, but we have to understand where he came from. He says the sweetest sound he ever heard was prayers at sunset. So with that orientation, I think it’s hard for this to say anything other than “Muslim jihadist terrorist” because it runs contrary to what he was taught as a boy in Honolulu and Jakarta, Indonesia.

78 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 12:48:33pm

re: #75 gwangung

Wonder what this will do for disease control….

Hadn’t even thought about that…

79 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 12:48:34pm

re: #62 Lidane

GOP rebranding, y’all!

Proposed Texas Constitutional Amendment Could Help Fred Phelps Disrupt Funerals

Kentucky’s General Assembly recently over-rode our governor’s veto of a similar bill. I’m still waiting for the realization to hit them that they pretty much have approved sharia law.

80 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 12:48:57pm

re: #77 Kragar

Fox News Seizes On Boston Bombing Anything To Suggest Obama Is A Secret Muslim

FTFY.

81 AlexRogan  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 12:50:56pm

re: #43 danhenry1

SHADOW GUBMINT!!!11ty

/getthefuckouttahere

82 AlexRogan  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 12:51:52pm

re: #54 GunstarGreen

Well, if this guy dresses like an asshole and acts like an asshole, I’d say he’s asking for it…

Extra points for clubbing him with his own sign while shouting “You deserve this!”

GMTA…

83 iossarian  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 12:52:01pm

re: #77 Kragar

Fox News Seizes On Boston Bombing To Suggest Obama Is A Secret Muslim

They’re spelling sekrit wrong.

Stupid Fox News.

84 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 12:52:27pm

re: #63 FemNaziBitch

I watched it, it was pretty good and was pretty eye opening.

85 Tigger2  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 12:52:46pm

re: #77 Kragar

Fox News Seizes On Boston Bombing To Suggest Obama Is A Secret Muslim

He is just used to it with as many verbal terrorist attacks the right has thrown at him//

86 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 12:52:56pm

re: #68 GunstarGreen

That cute little “sincerely held belief” bit always cracks me up.

By which methods can anyone rationally say that they can make a proper, legal determination as to whether a belief is ‘sincerely’ held?

I sincerely believe cults that promote hate should be air-lifted to and abandoned on Hans Island.

87 Lidane  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 12:53:05pm

re: #79 Backwoods_Sleuth

Kentucky’s General Assembly recently over-rode our governor’s veto of a similar bill. I’m still waiting for the realization to hit them that they pretty much have approved sharia law.

IT’S NOT SHARIA IF IT’S MURICAN!

/////

88 Kragar  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 12:54:59pm

re: #87 Lidane

I love when they propose laws to prevent foreign laws and texts from being used as a basis for US laws, then talk about how we need to adhere to the teachings of the Bible.

89 darthstar  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 12:55:47pm

Understanding the Syrian Electronic Army

After successfully hacking NPR, CBS and the Associated Press, people want to know more about the Syrian Electronic Army. Are they real? How can anyone cause the Dow to drop 150 points with a single tweet?

The Syrian Electronic Army (SEA) is a team of hacktivists based in Syria that claim to operate independently in support of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.

According to the SEA website, Syrians loyal to President Assad founded the SEA in 2011 during the Arab Spring. Since inception, the SEA has waged a campaign with two operational elements. First, they have attacked opponents of President Assad. Second, they have hacked regional and global news media outlets and various social media accounts to distribute propaganda in the form of false news stories that support President Assad.

The stated mission of the SEA is to unleash an onslaught of pro-government propaganda in support of the Assad regime. The SEA claims to support the cause of the Syrian people by promoting their views over the stated, “western media that are broadcasting fabricated and false news about what is happening in Syria.” President Assad has publicly supported the group’s efforts, stating that they are a “real army in a virtual reality.”

Recently, the SEA has been touted in underground circles as one of the top 10 most skilled hacking teams in the world. Tactics commonly used by the group include phishing, website hacking, and compromising Facebook and Twitter accounts. Harvard University, a victim of the SEA, stated that a “sophisticated individual or group” is behind the attacks of the SEA.

There’s a bunch more if you’re interested. One of my former co-workers helped write this up.

90 GunstarGreen  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 12:55:59pm

re: #88 Kragar

I love when they propose laws to prevent foreign laws and texts from being used as a basis for US laws, then talk about how we need to adhere to the teachings of the Bible.

Dude, the Bible was written in like 1930 by a ‘murkan, didn’t you know?

91 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 12:57:28pm

re: #90 GunstarGreen

Dude, the Bible was written in like 1930 by a ‘murkan, didn’t you know?

It is written in American.

92 Kragar  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 12:58:05pm

re: #91 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

It is written in American.

Just like when God passed it down to Jesus.

93 darthstar  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 12:58:11pm
94 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 12:59:01pm

The guns/ammo hoarding bubble may be breaking. Checking several sites, many calibers of ammunition appear to be plentiful, though prices are still very high for most types. 22LR remains almost unobtainable. There are a lot more semi-auto rifles for sale, some even at reasonable prices. High demand types are still drastically over-priced but not as much as a week ago. Cheaper Than Dirt even has a Bushmaster for sale. As this trend gathers momentum, hoarders, gougers, and speculators will be taking a much needed bath.
Before you decry the renewed availability of guns and ammunition, remember that this trend has nothing to do with increased overall supply, but with a significant reduction in demand. The obvious truth that UN troops and Obammunist militia will not be trying to seize their guns has finally dawned on at least some of the nuts.

95 EPR-radar  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 1:00:14pm

re: #92 Kragar

Just like when God passed it down to Jesus.

That’s blond, white, blue-eyed, gun-toting American Jesus, of course.

96 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 1:00:20pm

re: #92 Kragar

Just like when God passed it down to Jesus.

Back when hippies like Jesus were the good guys.

97 gwangung  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 1:01:38pm

re: #78 Eclectic Cyborg

Hadn’t even thought about that…

First thing that came to mind. The Law of Unintended Consequences are not suspended for non-liberals…

98 Bulworth  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 1:03:07pm

re: #88 Kragar

I love when they propose laws to prevent foreign laws and texts from being used as a basis for US laws, then talk about how we need to adhere to the teachings of the Bible.

U.S. Constitution taken straight outta the Bible word-for-word!!!!1!11!!!

99 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 1:04:28pm

re: #94 Shiplord Kirel

I’ll believe it when I can find primers and powder again, sheesh.

100 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 1:05:24pm

This afternoon a demonstration is being held in a downtown park, demanding the start of spring.

The sparrows in the tree just outside my window are looking at the 1 metre thick snow in my back yard and wondering why they bothered to return.

I saw a bald eagle standing on the side of the highway with her wings on her hips waiting for the gophers to come out from under the snow.

101 darthstar  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 1:06:12pm

Salmon season is looking good so far…

Image: 532676_511951325533917_1903607203_n.jpg

102 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 1:07:15pm

re: #98 Bulworth

As can be attested to by David Barton.

103 stabby  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 1:08:42pm

re: #53 klys

Where’s his lecture to his fellow men about not raping women?

Oh, right. Because it’s all the woman’s fault the guy couldn’t control his impulses, and that’s why women should never dress up ‘sexy’ at all.

//

He doesn’t have one because his goal isn’t to stop rape, his goal is to stop attraction, intimacy, pleasure, joy. His problem is that people have better things to think about other than fearing God and he wants to do away with that.

104 GunstarGreen  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 1:09:10pm

re: #93 darthstar

STOP MAKING THE BUDGET CUTS WE DEMANDED FOR YOU TO MAKE!!!1!11!!11

105 Petero1818  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 1:09:15pm

So the end goal of blowing up Times square starts with shooting a cop, jacking a car and kidnapping the driver and then robbing a gas station…probably no one will notice that stuff in the midst of the largest manhunt in MA history.

106 Kragar  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 1:09:27pm

SHOCKER:

Fox News Poll: Voters think media bias behind lack of Gosnell trial coverage

A bunch of Fox News viewers thinking the media is biased? What are the odds of that?

107 Lidane  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 1:09:31pm

re: #95 EPR-radar

That’s blond, white, blue-eyed, gun-toting American Jesus, of course.

Youtube Video
108 A Mom Anon  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 1:10:13pm

So I’m watching the news on the Atlanta ABC affiliate at lunchtime, WSB TV. Those are also the call letters for one of the area’s wingnut talk stations. Anyhoo, a BIG story today is the protest being staged by Americans For Prosperity at Hartsfield Jackson Airport. Yes, the big protest that drew in FOUR protesters is one of today’s big news stories. Of course they interview the AFP hacks,without saying who the hell Americans For Prosperity is, and they blame Obama for the sequester’s consequences.

I want better media. This is crap. This did however drive me outside to plant vegetables so it wasn’t a total loss.

109 Bulworth  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 1:13:27pm

re: #108 A Mom Anon

Well I was stuck on the gym’s eliptical facing the CNN screen, which last night posted as Developing News the report that the bombers, or one of the bombers, received welfare for a time. Developing News. It’s not clear what we viewers were supposed to make of such information.

110 Bulworth  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 1:15:30pm

re: #93 darthstar

I haven’t flown in years. OK, about three. I guess I’m not missing much.

111 jaunte  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 1:15:38pm

re: #109 Bulworth

Just like clockwork:
this just in from Fox news email:
Image: Screen_shot_2013-04-25_at_3.14.42_PM.png
Boston Terror suspect on Welfare!

112 A Mom Anon  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 1:16:22pm

re: #109 Bulworth

I think we know what we’re supposed to do with that information. Stay angry, pissed off and hating on poor people. It’s embarrassing.

113 EPR-radar  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 1:16:52pm

re: #109 Bulworth

Well I was stuck on the gym’s eliptical facing the CNN screen, which last night posted as Developing News the report that the bombers, or one of the bombers, received welfare for a time. Developing News. It’s not clear what we viewers were supposed to make of such information.

Wingnut reasons to end welfare #1,243:

Our tax dollars could end up going to bad people. Therefore, end welfare.

115 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 1:17:59pm

re: #93 darthstar

So, on what did gate attendants blame flight delays BEFORE the sequester?

116 klys  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 1:18:16pm

re: #93 darthstar

Having just flown into SFO recently (on United!), my first thought is that they’re just desperate to blame delays there on *anything* other than themselves.

Fog, wind, other weather, construction, runways too close together, anything but overcrowding of the schedule.

But this one probably is legit. I just have a talent for picking delayed flights.

117 jaunte  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 1:18:43pm

re: #114 dragonath

Crash of the Zardoz.

118 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 1:18:52pm

re: #111 jaunte

Just like clockwork:
this just in from Fox news email:
Image: Screen_shot_2013-04-25_at_3.14.42_PM.png
Boston Terror suspect on Welfare!

They are only just now hearing that “breaking news”?
eejits, all of them…

119 Sarah Handel  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 1:19:12pm

I thank G-d almighty that they weren’t able to kill or maim any more people than they have. I cannot imagine the sheer catastrophe that an attack upon Times Square would have wrought.

120 dragonath  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 1:19:12pm

re: #115 Backwoods_Sleuth

So, on what did gate attendants blame flight delays BEFORE the sequester?

Where were you when the revolution started?

121 Bulworth  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 1:19:39pm

re: #112 A Mom Anon

Yeah, I guess now we’re supposed to demand the end of public assistance of any kind for anyone. Or impose drug/religious tests on receipt. Or maybe the gubmit should monitor all public assistance recipients 24/7. Or maybe require all public welfare officials to possess super secret terrorist uncovering skills.

122 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 1:20:10pm

re: #120 dragonath

Where were you when the revolution started?

ummm…I just might have had the munchies. But I’m not admitting to anything…

123 Kragar  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 1:20:13pm

Pat Robertson links Planned Parenthood to Hitler and black ‘genocide’

Televangelist Pat Robertson on Thursday misquoted the founder of Planned Parenthood to make a false connection between the abortion provider, Adolf Hitler and African-American “genocide.”

After noting that President Barack Obama would be speaking to Planned Parenthood Federation of America on Friday, Robertson urged his viewers to Google the group’s founder, Margaret Sanger.

“She was the one who set the stage for Adolf Hitler,” the TV preacher explained. “She didn’t copy him, he copied her. Planned Parenthood, it’s unbelievable how evil they were in the early days.”

“They said, what we’ve got to do in order to get the black people in America to have abortions, we have to have some noted black leader who will come out for Planned Parenthood and we’ll give him the Margaret Sanger Award. And, therefore, he will be our poster boy, in a sense showing the black people they should have abortions.”

“It was strictly genocide if you read what she had to say,” Robertson added.

124 Sarah Handel  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 1:22:03pm

re: #123 Kragar

People often forget about Margaret Sangar.

125 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 1:22:19pm

Fox News headline:

Fox News Poll: Voters think media bias behind lack of Gosnell trial coverage

Number used in article:

The most common answer: Bias. Forty-one percent of voters think the lack of coverage is because there’s a pro-abortion rights bias in the news media.

This means of course that 59% of voters did not think it was media bias.

The headline does not match the reality.

The questions asked also switched it from a murder trial to an abortion related trial.

126 Bulworth  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 1:22:24pm

re: #123 Kragar

Pat’s sudden concern for African Americans is heart warming. /

127 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 1:22:32pm

re: #123 Kragar

Pat Robertson links Planned Parenthood to Hitler and black ‘genocide’

what is it with these people acting like they’ve never heard stuff the rest of us knew days and decades ago?
Proof that some forms of homeskooling is just…not correct…
I’ll bet Pat thinks oxygen makes up most of our atmosphere. And electrons and atoms are just a “theory”…

128 jaunte  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 1:23:03pm

re: #124 Sarah Handel

Except that the current enemies of Planned Parenthood tend to mention her every week.

129 dragonath  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 1:23:15pm

Hitler = Fratricidal Black Democrat

John 3:16

130 Sarah Handel  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 1:25:08pm

re: #128 jaunte

Does that make her mentioning unjustified? I mean, both enemies and proponents of planned parenthood can despise what she stood up for right?

131 EPR-radar  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 1:25:38pm

re: #124 Sarah Handel

People often forget about Margaret Sangar.

Margaret Sanger was an advocate for reproductive rights. At the time she did her work, eugenics was practically a mainstream position in the US , and racism was also endemic .

Not being some kind of perfect person, eugenics and racism both seeped into her work.

So what.

(edited as marked)

132 erik_t  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 1:26:31pm

re: #115 Backwoods_Sleuth

So, on what did gate attendants blame flight delays BEFORE the sequester?

Updung purely for proper location of preposition.

133 Kragar  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 1:27:41pm

Pamela Geller’s Grand Boston Conspiracy Falls Apart

First, it seems that Geller confused the Saudi national, who is considered a victim and not a suspect, with Tamerland Tsarnaev, the deceased Boston bomber.

Geller also said that the Saudi national is about to be deported, even though The Hill already reported that the rumor is false and based on “another student from Saudi Arabia who was arrested by Immigration and Customs Enforcement for violating his visa” and “is not believed to have any connection with the bombing.”

After arguing that the Saudi man in the hospital almost certainly had a role in the attack, she said that Michelle Obama visited him in the hospital where he is recovering…because of course the government would let the First Lady visit dangerous terrorists!

The Christian Science Monitor adds that the Saudi national was temporarily put on a watch list it was only so he couldn’t leave the hospital while he was being questioned. His name was then removed from the list after he was cleared by authorities, and he is not subject to deportation.

134 Sarah Handel  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 1:27:51pm

re: #131 EPR-radar

So then because the cause she championed (reproductive rights) is one that continues to this day, that gives her a free pass to be worse than simply “racist”?

135 dragonath  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 1:28:01pm

re: #131 EPR-radar

Margaret Sanger was responsible for Khan Noonien Singh?

136 leftynyc  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 1:28:37pm

re: #113 EPR-radar

Wingnut reasons to end welfare #1,243:

But it’s perfectly ok that they have no impediments to buying guns. That’s just peachy.

137 Charles Johnson  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 1:29:14pm

Er, don’t fall for the simplistic, distorted right wing view of Margaret Sanger: Was Planned Parenthood’s Founder Racist?

138 jaunte  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 1:31:29pm

re: #134 Sarah Handel


The political reality is, that most conservatives would have forgotten about Margaret Sanger except that she’s a handy club to beat on their opponents who believe that women should have power to make their own reproductive decisions.

139 Sarah Handel  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 1:31:47pm

re: #137 Charles Johnson

Er, don’t fall for the simplistic, distorted right wing view of Margaret Sanger: Was Planned Parenthood’s Founder Racist?

I’m not. I’ve read “Woman and the New Race”.

140 HappyWarrior  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 1:32:41pm

re: #123 Kragar

Pat Robertson links Planned Parenthood to Hitler and black ‘genocide’

Yeah Margaret Sanger is what inspired Hitler, Pat. Sigh. Let’s totally ignore that eugenics was in Europe and supported by many on the right. Pat should really shut the hell up considering his own father was a staunch segregationist senator.

141 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 1:34:48pm

re: #99 William Barnett-Lewis

I’ll believe it when I can find primers and powder again, sheesh.

Powders and primers are likely to be the very last items to become generally available again.

142 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 1:35:49pm

re: #106 Kragar

SHOCKER:

Fox News Poll: Voters think media bias behind lack of Gosnell trial coverage

A bunch of Fox News viewers thinking the media is biased? What are the odds of that?

Haven’t you heard, Eric Holder’s wife owns the building in which Gosnell operated his clinic. It’s obviously an Obama Administration cover-up.

143 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 1:36:34pm

re: #134 Sarah Handel

So then because the cause she championed (reproductive rights) is one that continues to this day, that gives her a free pass to be worse than simply “racist”?

If we have to condemn every historical character, and their work, based on their attitudes toward others, we’d have to condemn everybody who lived before the 1950s.

144 EPR-radar  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 1:36:35pm

re: #137 Charles Johnson

Er, don’t fall for the simplistic, distorted right wing view of Margaret Sanger: Was Planned Parenthood’s Founder Racist?

Thanks for the link. My main point was that people tend to forget how incredibly popular eugenics was in the early part of the 20th century. Adding racism to the picture was sloppy on my part.

145 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 1:37:26pm

re: #143 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

If we have to condemn every historical character, and their work, based on their attitudes toward others, we’d have to condemn everybody who lived before the 1950s.

Especially if they were uppity women.

*spit*

146 darthstar  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 1:37:29pm
147 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 1:37:37pm

re: #137 Charles Johnson

Er, don’t fall for the simplistic, distorted right wing view of Margaret Sanger: Was Planned Parenthood’s Founder Racist?

The right’s attacks on Sanger are another example of their authoritarian mindset being projected onto others. Authority determines truth for them and they assume others apply the same standard. Therefore, they can un-do reproductive rights by attacking Sanger, just as they can un-do the theory of evolution by attacking Darwin.

148 klys  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 1:37:51pm

re: #143 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

If we have to condemn every historical character, and their work, based on their attitudes toward others, we’d have to condemn everybody who lived before the 1950s.

All those founding fathers owned slaves. Guess it’s time to dissolve the union.

//

149 Sarah Handel  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 1:38:01pm

re: #143 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

I am not saying that anybody should be “condemned”, as you put it. It’s just that history should always be considered and not just nitpicked to satisfy our own senses of morality.

150 jaunte  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 1:38:26pm

Winston Churchill was a big fan of eugenics, too, but we’ve heard a lot more about his bust.

151 EPR-radar  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 1:38:39pm

re: #145 FemNaziBitch

Especially if they were uppity women.

*spit*

The selectivity of the RW outrage over eugenics is a dead giveaway.

152 HappyWarrior  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 1:38:50pm

re: #148 klys

All those founding fathers owned slaves. Guess it’s time to dissolve the union.

//

Or Lincoln said racist stuff about African Americans so let’s ignore that Jefferson Davis and the CSA leadership were much worse.

153 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 1:39:13pm

re: #139 Sarah Handel

I’m not. I’ve read “Woman and the New Race”.

MAJOR UPDINGS!

It’s on Project Gutenberg, there is no excuse not to read it.

What one can take away is that Margaret Sanger believed in Motherhood by Choice.

Which, was and is, of course anathema to the Whackos.

154 KiTA  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 1:39:36pm

Uh, why would it matter if it was at 3 in the morning? That would have scared everyone shitless anyway, would have shut down the city for days, etc etc.

It’s probably unhealthy how easily my mind can slip into a “cause terror for the most people possible” mindset. I blame a lack of cookies.

155 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 1:40:29pm

Always remember

156 Sarah Handel  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 1:40:41pm

re: #153 FemNaziBitch

Precisely what I am saying. It saddens me that she was a proponent of eugenics, to be sure. The groundwork she lay for us women everywhere is beyond commendable.

157 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 1:41:03pm

re: #132 erik_t

Updung purely for proper location of preposition.

I pride myself on proper placement of prepositions. I also try to avoid misplaced modifiers whenever possible, although those often result in much appreciated hilarity!

158 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 1:41:12pm

re: #149 Sarah Handel

I am not saying that anybody should be “condemned”, as you put it. It’s just that history should always be considered and not just nitpicked to satisfy our own senses of morality.

How about we evaluate the results of their work independently from the common attitudes of the time?

You are the one nitpicking.

159 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 1:42:10pm

re: #157 Backwoods_Sleuth

I pride myself on proper placement of prepositions. I also try to avoid misplaced modifiers whenever possible, although those often result in much appreciated hilarity!

You never dangle?

160 iossarian  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 1:42:12pm

re: #109 Bulworth

Well I was stuck on the gym’s eliptical facing the CNN screen, which last night posted as Developing News the report that the bombers, or one of the bombers, received welfare for a time. Developing News. It’s not clear what we viewers were supposed to make of such information.

WELFARE SCROUNGERS ARE ALL TERRORISTS. END WELFARE NOW.

161 Charles Johnson  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 1:42:25pm

re: #154 KiTA

Uh, why would it matter if it was at 3 in the morning? That would have scared everyone shitless anyway, would have shut down the city for days, etc etc.

My point is more that it shows how unorganized and unplanned this really was.

162 EPR-radar  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 1:42:32pm

re: #149 Sarah Handel

I am not saying that anybody should be “condemned”, as you put it. It’s just that history should always be considered and not just nitpicked to satisfy our own senses of morality.

I’m all for historical accuracy, but Sanger is almost exclusively brought up by wingnuts to smear Planned Parenthood. Evidence that the cited views govern PP operations today is always missing…

Seems like ‘nitpicking to satisfy our own sense of morality’ to me.

163 Sarah Handel  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 1:42:46pm

re: #158 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

How about we evaluate the results of their work independently from the common attitudes of the time?

You are the one nitpicking.

Pardon? Exactly what did I nitpick?

164 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 1:43:09pm

re: #157 Backwoods_Sleuth

I pride myself on proper placement of prepositions. I also try to avoid misplaced modifiers whenever possible, although those often result in much appreciated hilarity!

I flagrantly throw prepositions into the wind just to see where they land.

165 Sarah Handel  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 1:43:26pm

re: #162 EPR-radar

I agree. People from both sides participate.

166 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 1:43:46pm

THE RUNNING OF THE BULLS

167 Bubblehead II  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 1:44:26pm

re: #154 KiTA

Shouldn’t you be at work? :-)

168 Bulworth  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 1:44:36pm

re: #150 jaunte

Just finished reading Red Summer, a book about the race riots of 1919. And by race riots, I mean what were for the most part, white mobs attacking blacks, in both the South and North, after the war. Often the pretext, as it would be when Emmett Till was murdered, was that an African American had supposedly said or done something disrespectful towards a white person, especially if it was a woman.

Anyway, one of the points the book highlights is the degree to which racist sentiments in the arts as well as in academia and media was pretty common at the turn of the century.

169 iossarian  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 1:44:41pm

re: #166 FemNaziBitch

THE RUNNING OF THE BULLS

When does the tomato-throwing start?

170 HappyWarrior  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 1:45:19pm

My problem with zomg Sanger supported eugenics is that it ignores that this was a popular position of the era. A wrong one I must strongly point out but one nonetheless. And as been pointed out, they don’t hate Churchill and he was a eugenics supporter with tons of political power especially compared to Sanger. And finally, I don’t see why it should make birth control illegitimate. Birth control is a necessity in any society especially a modern and post-industrial such as ours. At the risk of sounding crass, families aren’t set up to have big families anymore.

171 Sarah Handel  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 1:46:04pm

Going back to the topic at hand, if these two were on welfare or other financial assistance then it’s possible that they might have gotten outside help with their endeavors.

But then again, they must have not been doing that bad if they were driving Porsches, Merdedes’ and Range Rovers.

Sheesh I drive a Suburban, where do I sign up for this “welfare” stuff?

172 klys  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 1:47:01pm

re: #170 HappyWarrior

I’m pretty sure the real reason it comes up regarding her starts with m- and ends with -isogyny.

173 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 1:47:58pm

re: #159 FemNaziBitch

You never dangle?

I try not to. I hear it chafes.

174 HappyWarrior  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 1:50:13pm

re: #172 klys

I’m pretty sure the real reason it comes up regarding her starts with m- and ends with -isogyny.

No shit. Really though, I can’t believe the present debate has exposed that many on the right have a problem with legalized birth control via Griswold and Eisenstadt which legalized birth control for married and non-married couples respectively.

175 AlexRogan  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 1:51:22pm

re: #172 klys

I’m pretty sure the real reason it comes up regarding her starts with m- and ends with -isogyny.

Pretty much.

I’m sure that many RWNJs feel that Sanger was an uppity woman who didn’t know her place and was acting above her station.

176 Jolo5309  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 1:52:27pm

re: #45 Vicious Babushka

Alex Jones much?

Neil Wilgus

177 Bulworth  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 1:55:00pm
Going back to the topic at hand, if these two were on welfare or other financial assistance then it’s possible that they might have gotten outside help with their endeavors.

What?

178 GeneJockey  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 1:55:03pm

re: #147 Shiplord Kirel

The right’s attacks on Sanger are another example of their authoritarian mindset being projected onto others. Authority determines truth for them and they assume others apply the same standard. Therefore, they can un-do reproductive rights by attacking Sanger, just as they can un-do the theory of evolution by attacking Darwin.

Exactly. It’s why they attack Climate Scientists instead of Climate Science, and why they think that it matters a damn whether Darwin ‘recanted on his death bed’.

Funny thing about the folks who attack Sanger for her support of eugenics is they howl like banshees if you point out that Thomas Jefferson owned slaves, at least one of whom he had children with. (Please, no downdings for using a preposition to end a sentence with!)

179 Mattand  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 1:57:39pm

re: #178 GeneJockey

Upding for posting about eugenics and slavery, and your only worry is incorrect sentence structure :)

180 EPR-radar  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 1:57:40pm

re: #174 HappyWarrior

No shit. Really though, I can’t believe the present debate has exposed that many on the right have a problem with legalized birth control via Griswold and Eisenstadt which legalized birth control for married and non-married couples respectively.

For the hard right, women are ambulatory wombs to be governed by men.

Abortion and birth control are both contrary to this point of view.

Going after abortion is much easier politically, since it is a more debatable issue than birth control, and much whining about ‘dead babies’ can be done to mask the underlying misogyny.

181 wrenchwench  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 2:01:58pm

re: #179 Mattand

Upding for posting about eugenics and slavery, and your only worry is incorrect sentence structure :)

Comma splice! Weird punctuation at the end!

182 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 2:02:06pm

The source, IMHO

183 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 2:02:46pm

re: #177 Bulworth

What?

I have no idea.

184 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 2:02:55pm

re: #181 wrenchwench

Comma splice! Weird punctuation at the end!

I’m still working hard to get my fingers to not put an ” before the s in Whackos.

185 EPR-radar  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 2:03:38pm

re: #147 Shiplord Kirel

The right’s attacks on Sanger are another example of their authoritarian mindset being projected onto others. Authority determines truth for them and they assume others apply the same standard. Therefore, they can un-do reproductive rights by attacking Sanger, just as they can un-do the theory of evolution by attacking Darwin.

Their bizarre use of the term ‘Darwinist’ is also evidence of this obsession with authority.

186 klys  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 2:04:51pm

re: #185 EPR-radar

Their bizarre use of the term ‘Darwinist’ is also evidence of this obsession with authority.

I want to be known as an Einsteinist since I believe in relativity.

187 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 2:07:51pm

re: #186 klys

I want to be known as an Einsteinist since I believe in relativity.

As long as I can be called a Lorenzist.

(I used to be a Mandelbrotist)

188 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 2:08:43pm

re: #43 danhenry1

OT?! I sometimes wonder, concerning communication within and between agencies, if there is not some other interest, that may not be working for our ideals. It seems that there is a certain government, military, industrial base that may be shaping events, much like has been done in the past.
I am not talking about conspiracies concerning the bombings in Beantown; I am talking about something far more nefarious. This has been warned about since the end of WW2.

It’s called the military industrial complex.

189 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 2:09:46pm

re: #186 klys

I want to be known as an Einsteinist since I believe in relativity.

I want to be known as a gravitist, because I don’t want to suddenly float away up in the air.

190 Big Steve  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 2:10:56pm

It seems to me that if one engages in a behavior to an extreme it is eventually diagnosed as a disease. Drink too much - alcoholism. Bet the ponies too much - compulsive gambling. Stay in your house too much - agoraphobic. But the one notable exception is religion. One can become a fanatic and at least within the confines of the religion chosen, be admired. I suspect though that there is a “God Sickness” as well among humans and our now known-to-be witless terrorists, or at least the older one, had it. So yes it is disturbing that this was another Allah follower but I believe it is no different than those who scream God Hates Fags or those who firebomb clinics in Jesus’s name. So for those who are now hand cranking back up the anti-Islam fever I say look into your own house as well.

191 blueraven  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 2:11:12pm

re: #171 Sarah Handel

Going back to the topic at hand, if these two were on welfare or other financial assistance then it’s possible that they might have gotten outside help with their endeavors.

But then again, they must have not been doing that bad if they were driving Porsches, Merdedes’ and Range Rovers.

Sheesh I drive a Suburban, where do I sign up for this “welfare” stuff?

Who said they were on welfare, and WTH are you talking about?

192 Big Steve  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 2:12:46pm

re: #189 Backwoods_Sleuth

I want to be known as a gravitist, because I don’t want to suddenly float away up in the air.

I am a Frisbeetarian……I believe when you die your soul goes up on the roof and you can’t get it down.

193 EPR-radar  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 2:12:54pm

re: #186 klys

I want to be known as an Einsteinist since I believe in relativity.

Of course, one of the whole points of science is that theories stand or fall based on how well they match observed empirical evidence, rather than on the reputation of relevant authorities.

I suspect many wingnuts are not even capable of understanding this difference. The ones that do probably like to kick up dust clouds about sociological effects in scientific communities (e.g., as described in Kuhn’s work), which are real, but do not alter the basic point that agreement with real evidence is everything in science.

194 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 2:13:11pm

re: #187 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

As long as I can be called a Lorenzist.

(I used to be a Mandelbrotist)

I’m a Harpo-Marxist.

195 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 2:13:30pm

Ok, so, it was worth watching.

I had forgotten about the Wake School System debacle.

196 EPR-radar  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 2:14:10pm

re: #191 blueraven

Who said they were on welfare, and WTH are you talking about?

Looks like an incoherent build up to an anti-welfare RW talking point to me.

197 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 2:14:58pm

re: #196 EPR-radar

Looks like an incoherent build up to an anti-welfare RW talking point to me.

I’d say so.

198 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 2:15:55pm

re: #190 Big Steve

It seems to me that if one engages in a behavior to an extreme it is eventually diagnosed as a disease. Drink too much - alcoholism. Bet the ponies too much - compulsive gambling. Stay in your house too much - agoraphobic. But the one notable exception is religion. One can become a fanatic and at least within the confines of the religion chosen, be admired. I suspect though that there is a “God Sickness” as well among humans and our now known-to-be witless terrorists, or at least the older one, had it. So yes it is disturbing that this was another Allah follower but I believe it is no different than those who scream God Hates Fags or those firebomb clinics in Jesus’s name. So for those who are now hand cranking back up the anti-Islam fever I say look into your own house as well.

Google search results for Religious Addiction symptoms. No .govs or academic sites come up on the first page.

199 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 2:16:11pm

re: #196 EPR-radar

Looks like an incoherent build up to an anti-welfare RW talking point to me.

It reads like rump logic that if they’re were poor enough enough to qualify (at some time) for assistance, then they might have had money supplied by someone else for their terrorist plot’s expenses.

200 GeneJockey  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 2:20:55pm

re: #192 Big Steve

I am a Frisbeetarian……I believe when you die your soul goes up on the roof and you can’t get it down.

Better than being a Balloonitarian - when you die your soul rises up to the ceiling, but the next morning it’s floating near the ground and all shrivelled up.

201 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 2:22:42pm

re: #199 The Ghost of a Flea

It reads like rump logic that if they’re were poor enough enough to qualify (at some time) for assistance, then they might have had money supplied by someone else for their terrorist plot’s expenses.

Just a thought - they could have stolen/saved/borrowed money/pressure cookers.

202 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 2:23:11pm

re: #200 GeneJockey

Better than being a Balloonitarian - when you die your soul rises up to the ceiling, but the next morning it’s floating near the ground and all shrivelled up.

You’ve just described my sex life.

203 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 2:26:41pm

re: #201 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

Just a thought - they could have stolen/saved/borrowed money/pressure cookers.

I’m just interpreting the sentence. As speculation I think it’s spurious.

204 GeneJockey  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 2:26:51pm

re: #202 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

You’ve just described my sex life.

Rises to the ceiling and sinks to the floor? My hat’s off to you, sir!

205 Decatur Deb  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 2:27:27pm

re: #198 FemNaziBitch

Google search results for Religious Addiction symptoms. No .govs or academic sites come up on the first page.

The old nuns used the term “religiosity” to describe those who took religious practice too far. Significant coming from people who had surrendered sex, ownership, and self-determination to religion.

206 EPR-radar  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 2:30:11pm

re: #205 Decatur Deb

The old nuns used the term “religiosity” to describe those who took religious practice too far. Significant coming from people who had surrendered sex, ownership, and self-determination to religion.

100:1 odds that the term ‘religiosity’ was applied in a very practical way. In other words, Sister X would only be viewed as having this problem if her religious fervor interfered with what the abbey authorities wanted her to do.

207 Sarah Handel  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 2:43:56pm

re: #191 blueraven

Who said they were on welfare, and WTH are you talking about?

Temper temper!
Tamerlan Tsarnaev got Mass. welfare benefits

It’s called “reading”. Try it.

208 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 2:51:53pm

re: #207 Sarah Handel

So what is the point of that, by the way? Why does it matter?

209 Sarah Handel  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 2:55:18pm

re: #208 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

So what is the point of that, by the way? Why does it matter?

If you read what I typed (which was wrought with sarcasm at those who find significance in him being on welfare) you might have seen my point. Stop reaching for what is not there.

210 klys  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 2:59:28pm

re: #209 Sarah Handel

If you read what I typed (which was wrought with sarcasm at those who find significance in him being on welfare) you might have seen my point. Stop reaching for what is not there.

Since you seem to be relatively new here, I’ll offer a tip: because reading sarcasm in text can often be difficult, we frequently use // to indicate that the preceding text was sarcastic. Helps avoid misunderstanding, especially since there’s been an influx of trolls on issues such as these.

211 Sarah Handel  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 3:01:22pm

re: #210 klys

I will take that under advisement, but I figured that when I said:

But then again, they must have not been doing that bad if they were driving Porsches, Merdedes’ and Range Rovers.

Sheesh I drive a Suburban, where do I sign up for this “welfare” stuff?

It would suffice. I’ll use the sarcasm tag in the future then.

212 blueraven  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 3:01:26pm

re: #209 Sarah Handel

If you read what I typed (which was wrought with sarcasm at those who find significance in him being on welfare) you might have seen my point. Stop reaching for what is not there.

Then say what you mean and stop beating around the bush.

213 EPR-radar  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 3:04:14pm

re: #211 Sarah Handel

Welfare queens driving nice vehicles on the taxpayers dime has been a RW talking point and pillar of their faith for at least thirty years.

That definitely has to be marked as sarcasm or it will get taken literally.

214 klys  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 3:06:39pm

re: #211 Sarah Handel

I will take that under advisement, but I figured that when I said:

It would suffice. I’ll use the sarcasm tag in the future then.

I always figure better safe than sorry when it comes to marking sarcasm. Things I think are completely obvious sometimes elude other folks and vice versa (I get reminded of this all the time when writing up abstracts and my adviser reminds me that I need to provide more background, etc.).

215 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 3:17:59pm

re: #209 Sarah Handel

If you read what I typed (which was wrought with sarcasm at those who find significance in him being on welfare) you might have seen my point. Stop reaching for what is not there.

I’m not reaching, dude, I just didn’t see it. A lot of the anti-welfare types do thin that people on welfare are driving around in BWS. Poe’s Law.

216 GeneJockey  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 3:18:18pm

Gee, if only there were some kind of law about not being able to tell satire from genuine extremism…

//

I see someone else got there first.

217 Sarah Handel  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 3:29:37pm

re: #215 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Totally understood, ma’am.

218 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 4:21:31pm

re: #217 Sarah Handel

Totally understood, ma’am.

Hey, that’s Ms. Von Professora, to you.

219 Sarah Handel  Thu, Apr 25, 2013 5:12:35pm

re: #218 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

How professorial of you ;-)


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