Tech Note: New Feature: Refresh ‘Featured’ and ‘Recent’ Pages Lists

Keepin’ it fresh
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This here’s a tricky way to do an open thread, and also announce a new feature: if you click the title of the ‘Featured Pages’ or ‘Recent Pages’ list, it will now refresh the list with the latest data for each Page, and any new Pages will show up at the top. With a nice animated fade to make it all pretty-like. No, I don’t know why I’m writing like a hillbilly.

Anyways y’all, that’s the new hotness for the day, and the open thread may now commence to git started.

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424 comments
1 PhillyPretzel  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 2:22:37pm

Ah a fresh thread and a new cool tool for the Lizards. Thanks Charles.

2 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 2:25:15pm

If you didn’t see this, you must.

It’s a Pages link, sorry, I’m too lazy to find the orig. youtube.

Rep. Moore Tells Anti-Choice GOP Where to Shove Black Genocide Lie

3 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 2:29:51pm

How algorithms shape our world

4 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 2:32:58pm

re: #2 FemNaziBitch

If you didn’t see this, you must.

It’s a Pages link, sorry, I’m too lazy to find the orig. youtube.

Rep. Moore Tells Anti-Choice GOP Where to Shove Black Genocide Lie

But if all those women chose to have their babies, CHRIS DENART would be screaming

NO FOOD STAMPS FOR THOSE N[CLANG] SLUTS AND THEIR BASTARDS!!11!!

5 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 2:35:06pm

re: #4 Vicious Babushka

But if all those women chose to have their babies, CHRIS DENART would be screaming

I’m so tired of the moral decision making by these idiots. “She should have kept her legs shut; she has no business raising a child; she should give it up for adoption … …

While saying they are Christian.

*spit*

6 klys  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 2:37:00pm

re: #5 FemNaziBitch

I’m so tired of the moral decision making by these idiots. “She should have kept her legs shut; she has no business raising a child; she should give it up for adoption … …

While saying they are Christian.

*spit*

What, you didn’t get the memo that Christianity gives you (where you is defined to be the male at the head of the family) the right to tell women how/when/where to have sex?

//

7 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 2:37:12pm

“Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.” -
John 8

8 GeneJockey  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 2:37:50pm

re: #5 FemNaziBitch

I’m so tired of the moral decision making by these idiots. “She should have kept her legs shut; she has no business raising a child; she should give it up for adoption … …

While saying they are Christian.

*spit*

As Jesus said, “Fuck the poor. What have they done for me lately?”

//

9 wrenchwench  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 2:38:50pm

It works!

Yet another nifty improvement.

10 EPR-radar  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 2:39:29pm

re: #5 FemNaziBitch

I’m so tired of the moral decision making by these idiots. “She should have kept her legs shut; she has no business raising a child; she should give it up for adoption … …

While saying they are Christian.

*spit*

The religious right is thoroughly infested with those who have an unholy desire to act as if they are God and mete out quasi-divine judgement on others. Such judgement is usually nothing but the hatred within the (human) judge made manifest.

11 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 2:40:53pm

As a certified hillbilly, I can safely say hillbilly talk iz kool…

12 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 2:41:22pm

Nice to see this made the Dkos Rec list…
The Problem With Watching MSNBC: The Manipulation of Liberals

, MSNBC is not a “Liberal” cable channel, but just another corporate shill. I know accepting that proposition would be devastating for many people who see it as a news oasis in a sea of right wing lunacy, but sometimes the truth ca be bitter.

In fact, what MSNBC and the Democratic party establishment do are probably more damaging to the progressive movement than anything else, as they insidiously pretend to stand up for progressive values, while actually serving their corporatist paymasters’ interests.

What MSNBC does is actually a little scary… They pretend to cover issues of importance to their liberal audience, presenting the information they cover in what it seems to be an intellectual manner, but in reality what they are doing is fomenting tribalism against Republicans, the Tea Party, the NRA, etc., while under-reporting on the most important issue: the bribery of politicians.

Watch a few prime-time news hours of MSNBC, and you’ll be all riled up about those meanie Republicans and “teahadists,” getting in the way of the Democratic agenda. And of course, it follows that if we could only vote those meanie Republicans out of office (in 2014), then we could finally move our agenda forward.

13 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 2:41:35pm

re: #11 Backwoods_Sleuth

As a certified hillbilly, I can safely say hillbilly talk iz kool…

Yes, it has a way of conveying the message that is often appropriate.

14 klys  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 2:41:44pm

re: #10 EPR-radar

The religious right is thoroughly infested with those who have an unholy desire to act as if they are God and mete out quasi-divine judgement on others. Such judgement is usually nothing but the hatred within the (human) judge made manifest.

You know, I have to say that I don’t think this is relegated solely to the religious right and I suspect it’s more tied to a need to feel superior and lord it over others (pardon the pun).

There are flavors of the same bullshit in the very strident “you’re all idiots for thinking there is a god” view embraced and then loudly espoused by some atheists.

15 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 2:42:53pm

re: #13 FemNaziBitch

Yes, it has a way of conveying the message that is often appropriate.

yes…”bless her/his heart…” comes immediately to mind.

16 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 2:43:48pm

re: #15 Backwoods_Sleuth

yes…”bless her/his heart…” comes immediately to mind.

and “eat shit and die”.
I always liked that one…

17 GeneJockey  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 2:44:42pm

re: #10 EPR-radar

The religious right is thoroughly infested with those who have an unholy desire to act as if they are God and mete out quasi-divine judgement on others. Such judgement is usually nothing but the hatred within the (human) judge made manifest.

I long ago concluded that Christians come in two flavors. One uses God and the Bible as a combination security blanket and guide to living a good life, while the other uses them as a club to attack those they would have hated anyway, whether they could find biblical justification or not. I was raised by the former, which gives me nothing but contempt for the latter, since I KNOW that being a believer doesn’t require one to also be an asshole bigot.

18 EPR-radar  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 2:44:49pm

re: #14 klys

You know, I have to say that I don’t think this is relegated solely to the religious right and I suspect it’s more tied to a need to feel superior and lord it over others (pardon the pun).

There are flavors of the same bullshit in the very strident “you’re all idiots for thinking there is a god” view embraced and then loudly espoused by some atheists.

Good point. The RW nutjobs have much more political power in the US than the militant atheists, so I tend to focus more on the RW threat.

19 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 2:44:58pm

re: #12 Killgore Trout

Do you somehow think discussion of corporatism is rare on the left?

20 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 2:47:20pm

Hi.
I got this book today.
A aigned one.
Very cool.
Thanks, Charles.
:)

21 klys  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 2:47:33pm

re: #18 EPR-radar

Good point. The RW nutjobs have much more political power in the US than the militant atheists, so I tend to focus more on the RW threat.

It’s true and I agree overall, but I confess that being rubbed a little raw recently by a few of the very militant atheists.

I don’t consider them to be a political power by any means, but just thinking that this is a religious issue won’t address some of the underlying psychological aspects at play, because it can show up without the clear religious tie. Or, at least, the atheist community would have you think that it’s not a religion to them.

22 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 2:49:05pm

re: #21 klys

It’s true and I agree overall, but I confess that being rubbed a little raw recently by a few of the very militant atheists.

I don’t consider them to be a political power by any means, but just thinking that this is a religious issue won’t address some of the underlying psychological aspects at play, because it can show up without the clear religious tie. Or, at least, the atheist community would have you think that it’s not a religion to them.

It’s not an issue with a particular group; it’s the issue with the assholes with that group. And all the groups have their own sub-group of assholes.

23 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 2:49:39pm

re: #6 klys

What, you didn’t get the memo that Christianity gives you (where you is defined to be the male at the head of the family) the right to tell women how/when/where to have sex?

//

But when it comes to Jesus teaching about helping the poor and helpless, they suddenly become all Ayn Randy.

24 klys  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 2:49:41pm

re: #22 Feline Fearless Leader

It’s not an issue with a particular group; it’s the issue with the assholes with that group. And all the groups have their own sub-group of assholes.

That I have only one upding to give this will forever be a regret.

25 klys  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 2:50:26pm

re: #23 Vicious Babushka

But when it comes to Jesus teaching about helping the poor and helpless, they suddenly become all Ayn Randy.

Well, yeah, that part of the memo got used for toilet paper.

//

26 EPR-radar  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 2:50:58pm

re: #21 klys

It’s true and I agree overall, but I confess that being rubbed a little raw recently by a few of the very militant atheists.

I don’t consider them to be a political power by any means, but just thinking that this is a religious issue won’t address some of the underlying psychological aspects at play, because it can show up without the clear religious tie. Or, at least, the atheist community would have you think that it’s not a religion to them.

IMO, the comment element is zealotry. The zealot is convinced that his/her way of life is the one true way, and everyone else is either ignorant of the wonders of this one true way, or is stupidly/maliciously refusing to convert when informed by the zealot.

27 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 2:51:10pm

BUT THESE SAME ASSHATS WANT TO PREVENT WOMEN FROM ACCESS TO BIRTH CONTROL & SUPPORT EMPLOYERS WHO REFUSE TO INCLUDE BIRTH CONTROL IN THEIR INSURANCE PLANS.

28 klys  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 2:53:48pm

re: #26 EPR-radar

IMO, the comment element is zealotry. The zealot is convinced that his/her way of life is the one true way, and everyone else is either ignorant of the wonders of this one true way, or is stupidly/maliciously refusing to convert when informed by the zealot.

This is where I get to be a horrible person to all of them by thinking that human spirituality is a beautiful and personal thing and everyone embraces their own individually and as long as it is not having a harmful impact on someone else’s life, we should be allowed to live in a manner that we see fit without having someone else’s judgement shoved in our face.

Yeah, I’m going to hell.

29 simoom  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 2:54:08pm

Rep. Gohmert revisiting his Muslim Brotherhood WH inflitration theory, last time he was on WND Radio, and today he’s swapping conspiracies with Glenn Beck:

mediaite.com

Days after he told WND Radio about the Muslim Brotherhood’s infiltration of the U.S. government, Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-TX) went on Glenn Beck‘s radio show to continue his crusade against the Obama administration. Not only did Gohmert continue to promote his theory about the Muslim Brotherhood, but he also went after Attorney General Eric Holder for spending more time “helping terrorists than defending the country.”

… “Think about it,” he told Beck, “when your attorney general spent more of his legal career helping terrorists than defending the country, then you know we all have certain biases and lean certain ways.”

Later in the interview, Gohmert revisited his theory about the Muslim Brotherhood’s “active role” in guiding the policies of the Obama administration, pointing to an Egyptian magazine article, in turn picked up by Beck’s The Blaze, that has made similar claims. “How is it that our intelligence isn’t as intelligent as an Egyptian magazine?” he asked.

Beck immediately bought into Gohmert’s suggestion about the Muslim Brotherhood, but said he thinks our U.S. intelligence community knows all about it. “They have chosen to believe that the Muslim Brotherhood are the good guys.”

Gohmert ultimately summed up the position of Obama administration officials like this: “Either they lie under oath or they do know the extent of Muslim Brotherhood infiltration into our government.”

huffingtonpost.com

Citing an “Egyptian magazine,” Gohmert said that “there are six members of the Muslim brotherhood who are active and are playing a vital role in their administration.”

30 GeneJockey  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 2:57:21pm

I think many militant atheists, yes, are assholes. The face of any group will be composed of those loud enough to be heard, or outrageous enough to be newsworthy. But speaking as a nonmilitant atheist, I think it’s about time SOMEBODY pushed back against the tide of militant ignorance and superstition that threatens to overtake this country. Look at the percentage of Americans who believe in Creationism, for example.

31 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 2:58:21pm

re: #27 Vicious Babushka

BUT THESE SAME ASSHATS WANT TO PREVENT WOMEN FROM ACCESS TO BIRTH CONTROL & SUPPORT EMPLOYERS WHO REFUSE TO INCLUDE BIRTH CONTROL IN THEIR INSURANCE PLANS.

someone should ask him how well abstinence worked out for the Virgin Mother Mary.
And then inquire as to why that’s not ever been a valid excuse.

32 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 2:58:34pm

Tea Party Congressman: Attorney General Holder Is On The Side Of The Boston Bombers

Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Bizzaro TX)
Impeach his crazy ass.
Seriously.
He’s a complete loon and embarrassment to the USofA.

33 klys  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 2:59:10pm

re: #30 GeneJockey

I think many militant atheists, yes, are assholes. The face of any group will be composed of those loud enough to be heard, or outrageous enough to be newsworthy. But speaking as a nonmilitant atheist, I think it’s about time SOMEBODY pushed back against the tide of militant ignorance and superstition that threatens to overtake this country. Look at the percentage of Americans who believe in Creationism, for example.

I should make it clear, I have no issues at all with the pushback against the demonization of science, teaching of creationism, and denial of human influence on climate.

I’m just tired of assholes, I guess.

34 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 2:59:28pm

To all my lizard friends, I wanted everyone know that I’ve been accepted into Georgia Tech in the Earth and Atmospheric Sciences college where I will be aiming to get a BS/MS degree in Climatology/Meteorology.

I will be starting in less than two weeks.

I had gone to Georgia Tech in the late 80’s and early 90s for Computer Science but was unable to finish despite being only 2 quarters away from graduating. I got my degree at another school but I’ve always felt like I let myself down by not finishing. And now I have a chance to go back in a field that has always been my first love and fascination.

I am a bundle of excitement and nerves over it, but I know I can do it.

:D :D :D :D :D :D

35 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 2:59:37pm

re: #27 Vicious Babushka

also, “Birth control is cheap&ubiquitous”… I don’t think he knows shit about what he’s spouting out of his dickhead.

36 klys  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 2:59:59pm

re: #34 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All

Congratulations!

37 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 3:00:57pm

re: #34 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All

YAYS for you!!!!!!!!!

38 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 3:01:05pm

re: #35 Backwoods_Sleuth

also, “Birth control is cheap&ubiquitous”… I don’t think he knows shit about what he’s spouting out of his dickhead.

He gets his information about birth control from listening to Rush.

39 abolitionist  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 3:01:39pm

Coming May 3; 4 new episodes each Friday thru May 17:
Lauren Season 2 Trailer | Featuring Troian Bellisario & Jennifer Beals | WIGS

Season 1 of Lauren (Episodes 1,2,3)

40 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 3:01:47pm

re: #35 Backwoods_Sleuth

also, “Birth control is cheap&ubiquitous”… I don’t think he knows shit about what he’s spouting out of his dickhead.

Yeah but, Southern Fried Mama blurted out the real agenda.

41 klys  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 3:01:51pm

re: #35 Backwoods_Sleuth

also, “Birth control is cheap&ubiquitous”… I don’t think he knows shit about what he’s spouting out of his dickhead.

Plus it’s totally infalliable.

//

42 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 3:02:25pm

re: #40 Vicious Babushka

Yeah but, Southern Fried Mama blurted out the real agenda.

hot grits! come and get yer hot grits!!

43 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 3:02:30pm

Wingnut outrage in 4..3..2..1..

44 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 3:02:55pm

re: #29 simoom

It’s so reminiscent of the far right’s anti-communism phase in the 50s, the John Birch Society, etc., with Muslims in place of commies.

One big difference, though, is that for all the Birch Society’s insanity, the Soviet Union was a genuine, no-shit existential threat to the US and the world. They had nuclear missiles aimed at our cities, on hair triggers. There was actually something to be worried about.

These anti-Muslim conspiracy theories are just pure right wing paranoia with no substance at all, though. The Muslim Brotherhood has not infiltrated the government, and they’re not going to, and there’s no danger whatsoever of sharia law ever “taking over” in the US.

There’s a mentality on the right that has a real, deep need to be constantly afraid, and if there are no real threats they’ll just imagine some.

45 PhillyPretzel  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 3:03:03pm

re: #34 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All

Way to go Yellow Jacket. My nephew goes to GT and he is in the Bio-Medical Engineering course.

46 EPR-radar  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 3:03:46pm

re: #33 klys

I should make it clear, I have no issues at all with the pushback against the demonization of science, teaching of creationism, and denial of human influence on climate.

I’m just tired of assholes, I guess.

Just as atheists are rightly offended by believers who ask “how can you be a moral person without belief in my God?”, believers are rightly offended by atheists who ask “how can you be so stupid/irrational as to believe in something for which I see no evidence?”

47 Mattand  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 3:04:51pm

re: #30 GeneJockey

I think many militant atheists, yes, are assholes. The face of any group will be composed of those loud enough to be heard, or outrageous enough to be newsworthy. But speaking as a nonmilitant atheist, I think it’s about time SOMEBODY pushed back against the tide of militant ignorance and superstition that threatens to overtake this country. Look at the percentage of Americans who believe in Creationism, for example.

Just remember, Gene; many, many Americans define “militant atheism” as simply saying “There is no God” in a calm rational voice.

Because when they say “I believe in God” it would be soooooo out-of-line to accuse them of militant theism.

48 thedopefishlives  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 3:05:11pm

Evening Lizardim.

49 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 3:05:17pm

I got this love note this morning from a wingnut. (Linked instead of embedding because of the C word)

50 thedopefishlives  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 3:06:44pm

re: #49 Vicious Babushka

I got this love note this morning from a wingnut. (Linked instead of embedding because of the C word)

Ah, a troll of the species Derpus maximus. I hear a slow-roasting barbecue is particularly effective.

51 GeneJockey  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 3:08:03pm

re: #33 klys

I’m just tired of assholes, I guess.

Like a proctologist at the end of a long day…

I know what you mean. Sadly, I’ve observed that it’s only the assholes who seem to be able to get through the bullshit. (which seems backwards, haha).

52 EPR-radar  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 3:08:34pm

re: #47 Mattand

Just remember, Gene; many, many Americans define “militant atheism” as simply saying “There is no God” in a calm rational voice.

Because when they say “I believe in God” it would be soooooo out-of-line to accuse them of militant theism.

It is also often viewed as “militant atheism” to oppose Creationism in public schools, to oppose mandatory prayer in public schools, to support separation of church and state etc., etc, etc.

53 klys  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 3:09:51pm

re: #51 GeneJockey

Like a proctologist at the end of a long day…

I know what you mean. Sadly, I’ve observed that it’s only the assholes who seem to be able to get through the bullshit. (which seems backwards, haha).

I might posit that’s because all the reasonable people get sick of the shit and go home.

Which leaves the assholes to derp it out into the competition of “who can be the bigger asshole”. This may explain much of our current government, come to think of it. Of course, the downside is that you then have a government where policy is decided by assholes and nothing gets done.

54 wrenchwench  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 3:10:21pm

re: #34 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All

To all my lizard friends, I wanted everyone know that I’ve been accepted into Georgia Tech in the Earth and Atmospheric Sciences college where I will be aiming to get a BS/MS degree in Climatology/Meteorology.

Congrats! Work hard, we need you there!

55 darthstar  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 3:11:10pm
56 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 3:11:27pm

Do you suffer from Bitchy Resting Face?

FunnyOrDie Video
57 EPR-radar  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 3:11:32pm

re: #51 GeneJockey

OT, but this reminds me of an old Bulwer-Lytton contest entry:

“You name it, I’ve seen it - the depths, the pits the bottom; Vic Steele’s the name, and proctology’s my game.”

58 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 3:11:39pm

re: #34 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All

To all my lizard friends, I wanted everyone know that I’ve been accepted into Georgia Tech in the Earth and Atmospheric Sciences college where I will be aiming to get a BS/MS degree in Climatology/Meteorology.

I will be starting in less than two weeks.

I had gone to Georgia Tech in the late 80’s and early 90s for Computer Science but was unable to finish despite being only 2 quarters away from graduating. I got my degree at another school but I’ve always felt like I let myself down by not finishing. And now I have a chance to go back in a field that has always been my first love and fascination.

I am a bundle of excitement and nerves over it, but I know I can do it.

:D :D :D :D :D :D

Is there need to start a collection to get you a nice cluebat for use on the deniers?

59 BLUE POINT 09  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 3:12:11pm

re: #44 Charles Johnson

It’s so reminiscent of the far right’s anti-communism phase in the 50s, the John Birch Society, etc., with Muslims in place of commies.

One big difference, though, is that for all the Birch Society’s insanity, the Soviet Union was a genuine, no-shit existential threat to the US and the world. They had nuclear missiles aimed at our cities, on hair triggers. There was actually something to be worried about.

These anti-Muslim conspiracy theories are just pure right wing paranoia with no substance at all, though. The Muslim Brotherhood has not infiltrated the government, and they’re not going to, and there’s no danger whatsoever of shari law ever “taking over” in the US.

There’s a mentality on the right that has a real, deep need to be constantly afraid, and if there are no real threats they’ll just imagine some.

They will never run out of something or someone to fear and loathe. They are insane.

60 Lidane  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 3:13:32pm

re: #43 Vicious Babushka

Wingnut outrage in 4..3..2..1..

More outrage incoming:

ZOMG RINO!

61 GeneJockey  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 3:15:24pm

re: #53 klys

That is, to a great extent, true. On that Bowhunting forum, we USED TO have reasonable, and often somewhat heated debates about politics, economics, etc, but over time, more assholes showed up, and more rational people got disgusted and left.

Eventually, it was just the assholes and me. Now it’s just the assholes.

62 thedopefishlives  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 3:16:40pm

re: #61 GeneJockey

That is, to a great extent, true. On that Bowhunting forum, we USED TO have reasonable, and often somewhat heated debates about politics, economics, etc, but over time, more assholes showed up, and more rational people got disgusted and left.

Eventually, it was just the assholes and me. Now it’s just the assholes.

Such is the origin of Godwin’s Law; the longer a particular heated discussion goes on, the greater the probability that it will descend into madness.

63 Political Atheist  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 3:17:53pm

Whoa, terrifying video of that 747 crash in Afghanistan.

onenewspage.com

64 GeneJockey  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 3:18:16pm

re: #47 Mattand

Just remember, Gene; many, many Americans define “militant atheism” as simply saying “There is no God” in a calm rational voice.

Because when they say “I believe in God” it would be soooooo out-of-line to accuse them of militant theism.

Oh, I know. From personal experience, I know. I can’t count the number of times Creationists have told me I only want to believe in Evolution so there’s no god to be accountable to, so I can go on sinning with impunity.

65 klys  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 3:19:08pm

re: #61 GeneJockey

That is, to a great extent, true. On that Bowhunting forum, we USED TO have reasonable, and often somewhat heated debates about politics, economics, etc, but over time, more assholes showed up, and more rational people got disgusted and left.

Eventually, it was just the assholes and me. Now it’s just the assholes.

That is what I like about here. The moderation keeps the trolls/assholes mostly in-line, especially in the main threads. I enjoy the perspectives and the conversation; I don’t particularly care what religious or non-religious belief people espouse as long as it is presented in a background information sort of way and not an IN YOUR FACE EVANGELIZING YOU IDIOT sort of way* and a lot of the folks here are excellent at it and I adore them for that. Just a little raw on the topic right now.

* Exceptions, as always, lurk in the pages. These might be connected.

66 klys  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 3:19:54pm

re: #64 GeneJockey

Oh, I know. From personal experience, I know. I can’t count the number of times Creationists have told me I only want to believe in Evolution so there’s no god to be accountable to, so I can go on sinning with impunity.

Fuck that, I’ll just have a god that’s comfortable with the good times rolling.

//

67 GeneJockey  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 3:20:07pm

re: #62 thedopefishlives

Such is the origin of Godwin’s Law; the longer a particular heated discussion goes on, the greater the probability that it will descend into madness.

Yeah, except nowadays you get Godwin’ed by the 3rd post in a thread, if not in the OP.

68 thedopefishlives  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 3:21:40pm

re: #67 GeneJockey

Yeah, except nowadays you get Godwin’ed by the 3rd post in a thread, if not in the OP.

Better than thirty seconds into an intelligence briefing.

69 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 3:23:09pm

re: #62 thedopefishlives

Such is the origin of Godwin’s Law; the longer a particular heated discussion goes on, the greater the probability that it will descend into madness.

At which point the commandos slip in during the night and rig the last bridge to blow up as the train crosses it.

70 stabby  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 3:24:01pm

Allergies are killing me today.
When I go outside of my air-filtered room for even a minute, my nose and eyes try to assassinate me and I’ve taken so much antihystamine that I can’t concentrate or keep my eyes open no matter how much coffee I drink.

71 Amory Blaine  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 3:26:41pm

Dig in your belly button while saying “nice and pretty-like” for a little flair.

72 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 3:27:06pm

re: #58 Feline Fearless Leader

Is there need to start a collection to get you a nice cluebat for use on the deniers?

Sigh, If only it’d do any good.

Thanks for the well wishes, congrats, and good luck! I’m really grateful! :D

73 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 3:28:31pm

re: #34 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All

Congrats!

74 stabby  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 3:28:52pm

re: #71 Amory Blaine

Image: this-is-why-we-cant-have-nice-things-31242.jpg

I don’t get it.

75 klys  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 3:29:49pm

Dear reviewer:

I know that particular model doesn’t produce physically meaningful results for these spectra. I highlighted that fact in my first paper, where I clearly said I was using it simply because it produced the best and most reproducible fit for the peak shape and that I was not looking to the parameters for any sort of physical meaning. Which I then referenced in this paper.

Also, that request for clarification on the error bars? That paper you mentioned in your reply was a) by me and b) dedicated to the discussion of how the error bar numbers were estimated. With a little bit of discussion about how this other group was full of it on a separate topic.

*sigh*

But I will add clarification anyway, because I am a good little paper writer.

76 Kragar  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 3:33:22pm

Bachmann’s claim that she voted against the ‘sequester’ bill because of cuts to the poor

During the House of Representative debate over the bill that ended the furloughs of air traffic controllers, Rep. Michele Bachmann responded to comments by Democrats decrying the impact of the sequester on poorer Americans, notably reductions in programs such as Head Start, Meals on Wheels and nutrition programs for children.

“That breaks everyone’s hearts,” Bachmann said, before blaming the sequester on President Obama and fellow Democrats. She added that she had voted against the Budget Control Act because she knew such “calamities” would happen.
…
We searched high and low for any statements that Bachmann made at the time warning about the “calamities” that would fall on the poor because of budget cuts.

What we found instead were comments by Bachmann complaining that the Budget Control Act did not cut spending enough. She especially decried the fact that the debt ceiling was increased, arguing instead that the government could avoid default simply by making immediate and steep cuts. “We needed real cuts and a fundamental restructuring in the way Washington spends taxpayer dollars to solve the spending crisis we are in,” Bachmann said in a statement after the bill was passed. “Someone has to say NO to more spending. I will.”

77 stabby  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 3:35:40pm

re: #76 Kragar

heh heh, she’s holding on to the world record for least accurate statements, even when talking about herself.

78 klys  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 3:36:01pm

re: #76 Kragar

Bachmann’s claim that she voted against the ‘sequester’ bill because of cuts to the poor

Why bother with actual reality when you can make up whatever the fuck you want and your base believes it?

79 darthstar  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 3:36:53pm

Mr. (afternoon) T

Image: 551515_460353167375333_138031611_n.jpg

80 darthstar  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 3:37:55pm

re: #34 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All

To all my lizard friends, I wanted everyone know that I’ve been accepted into Georgia Tech in the Earth and Atmospheric Sciences college where I will be aiming to get a BS/MS degree in Climatology/Meteorology.

Congratulations…I didn’t realize there was a whole degree program based on the first book of Genesis.

81 stabby  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 3:38:05pm

re: #78 klys

She was the absolute favorite presidential candidate on PJMedia, they printed post after post lauding her. God, they’re useless.

82 stabby  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 3:39:47pm

You know PJ managed to expel much their tea party base for .. well a few remaining morons. And THEN they changed comment systems, deleting all of their years of embarrassing conversation.

83 EPR-radar  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 3:40:23pm

re: #76 Kragar

Why would Bachmann bother with this? The GOP base likes the fact that the sequester hurts poor people more than others.

84 klys  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 3:40:35pm

Dude, doesn’t this face make you want to go check out that site?

Also, note to the targeted advertisers: my husband is probably not your target clientele for that site.

85 stabby  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 3:40:59pm

re: #79 darthstar

I noticed a hot dog place in San Francisco called “what up dog?”

86 darthstar  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 3:41:31pm

re: #83 EPR-radar

Why would Bachmann bother with this? The GOP base likes the fact that the sequester hurts poor people more than others.

They even have a theme song…

Youtube Video
87 klys  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 3:41:48pm

re: #84 klys

Booo, it won’t load and I can’t figure out why.

Edited to change it to a link.

88 darthstar  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 3:42:50pm

re: #85 stabby

I noticed a hot dog place in San Francisco called “what up dog?”

That’s just a few blocks from my office. Haven’t tried it.

89 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 3:43:00pm

re: #60 Lidane

More outrage incoming:

Nice that he’s come around on adoption, but all he’s done is fuck himself over on the national stage. The religious right will hate him for this, while sane voters will remain put off by his continued opposition to marriage equality, not to mention his atavistic economic policies.

It’s amusing, in a sad kind of way, to see bigots take these kinds of half ass, milquetoast baby steps towards enlightenment.

90 engineer cat  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 3:43:11pm

re: #85 stabby

I noticed a hot dog place in San Francisco called “what up dog?”

the up dog is a cure for all the downward dogs

as a cat i stay way clear of it all

91 stabby  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 3:47:09pm

I don’t know why this one makes me laugh Image: roflbot-kmZa.jpg

92 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 3:47:25pm

re: #85 stabby

I noticed a hot dog place in San Francisco called “what up dog?”

There’s a Vietnamese place in my former hometown called (no joke):
Pho Shizzle.

93 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 3:47:35pm

Gee…I wonder why that whole Occupy thing didn’t work out….
Anonymous UK founder accused of rape at Occupy London camp

94 GeneJockey  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 3:48:56pm

re: #84 klys

Dude, doesn’t this face make you want to go check out that site?

Oh, I don’t know. When I saw it, my first thought was, “JESUS CHRIST!!!”

Also, note to the targeted advertisers: my husband is probably not your target clientele for that site.

I collect watches, so I frequent watch forums. I keep seeing these ads featuring 40-ish women with improbably large breasts, with the text, “We don’t like YOUNG men. We want YOU!”

It makes me wonder what algorithms are employed to place ads.

95 jamesfirecat  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 3:49:46pm

re: #23 Vicious Babushka

But when it comes to Jesus teaching about helping the poor and helpless, they suddenly become all Ayn Randy.

A quick note “Ayn Randy’s Atlas Humped” is the worst porn movie ever.

96 thedopefishlives  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 3:50:31pm

re: #84 klys

Dude, doesn’t this face make you want to go check out that site?

Also, note to the targeted advertisers: my husband is probably not your target clientele for that site.

I get that advertisement a lot, as well. Advertising placement algorithms are weird.

97 klys  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 3:50:43pm

re: #93 Killgore Trout

Raise your hand if you are surprised…

…that today’s anti-OWS link came from KT.

98 EPR-radar  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 3:51:13pm

re: #89 goddamnedfrank

Nice that he’s come around on adoption, but all he’s done is fuck himself over on the national stage. The religious right will hate him for this, while sane voters will remain put off by his continued opposition to marriage equality, not to mention his atavistic economic policies.

It’s amusing, in a sad kind of way, to see bigots take these kinds of half ass, milquetoast baby steps towards enlightenment.

Wingnut orthodoxy is a good example of a local maximum for getting votes. Small deviations from wingnut orthodoxy tend to cost more votes from lost tea party loons than can be picked up from undecideds in the middle.

I sincerely hope the GOP is not capable of solving this problem without fundamentally transforming itself into a party that is at least sane.

99 stabby  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 3:51:14pm

re: #95 jamesfirecat

Youtube Video
100 engineer cat  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 3:52:46pm

re: #96 thedopefishlives

I get that advertisement a lot, as well. Advertising placement algorithms are weird.

they don’t work properly yet

i am consistently seeing ads for things which i just bought

101 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 3:52:59pm

re: #90 engineer cat

the up dog is a cure for all the downward dogs

as a cat i stay way clear of it all

I walked by a dog grooming place in Philly on Sunday named “Doggie Style”. And it had a cat in the window.

I think it’s a Feline Overlord front for getting dogs put in spin dryers for their own amusement.

102 GeneJockey  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 3:54:07pm

re: #95 jamesfirecat

A quick note “Ayn Randy’s Atlas Humped” is the worst porn movie ever.

Let me guess - some guy is delivering pizzas, and instead of the expected threesome, he launches into a 35 minute diatribe on moochers and looters?

103 thedopefishlives  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 3:54:08pm

Continuing my previous line of thought: Most advertising placement algorithms track the websites you visit, then send a spider to crawl their content for keywords that match their advertising database. Because LGF features all sorts of fun wingnut key phrases, we get some very WEIRD advertising here at LGF. I find it amusing in the extreme.

104 lawhawk  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 3:54:55pm

re: #99 stabby

Bonus points for Graham Norton show..

105 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 3:56:08pm

re: #98 EPR-radar

Small deviations from wingnut orthodoxy tend to cost more votes from lost tea party loons than can be picked up from undecideds in the middle.

It’s hard to give much credit to people who so belatedly manage to clear low hurdles. So Ryan finally came around on gay adoption, that’s not exactly bold leadership in 2013. Times have changed, it’s now at best the minimally decent position to take.

106 engineer cat  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 3:56:23pm

re: #103 thedopefishlives

Continuing my previous line of thought: Most advertising placement algorithms track the websites you visit, then send a spider to crawl their content for keywords that match their advertising database. Because LGF features all sorts of fun wingnut key phrases, we get some very WEIRD advertising here at LGF. I find it amusing in the extreme.

somebody on lgf once asked if copies of mein kampf were available, and so i went and looked it up on amazon

fortunately, amazon did not draw the conclusion that i was a nazi and go on to suggest nazi or racist literature for me in Your Recommendations

107 stabby  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 3:57:18pm

I love this channel SO MUCH

Youtube Video
108 lawhawk  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 3:58:16pm

re: #88 darthstar

Did try Brazil Cafe (the shack) up in Berkeley. Yeah, it was that good.

And the garlic fries at AT&T? Damn… still taste them a week+ later. MMMM…

Okay, you’ve got me thinking about another trip out there….

109 wrenchwench  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 3:59:02pm

re: #107 stabby

re: #93 Killgore Trout

Gee…I wonder why that whole Occupy thing didn’t work out….
Anonymous UK founder accused of rape at Occupy London camp

Stabby, meet rapey.

110 EPR-radar  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 4:00:42pm

re: #105 goddamnedfrank

It’s hard to give much credit to people who so belatedly manage to clear low hurdles. So Ryan finally came around on gay adoption, that’s not exactly bold leadership in 2013. Times have changed, it’s now at best the minimally decent position to take.

I certainly don’t expect decency from Paul Ryan, and I’m not about to give him much credit. In fact, I’m assuming that this is driven by a cold-blooded political calculation, which is what interests me here.

How can this move be a political winner for him?

111 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 4:04:31pm

re: #109 wrenchwench

re: #93 Killgore Trout

Stabby, meet rapey.

Yes, between the violence and sexual assaults it seems many of the camps had a toxic atmosphere. People seemed more interested in advancing the cause and protecting the movement instead of dealing with the very real safety issues.

112 thedopefishlives  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 4:06:23pm

re: #106 engineer cat

somebody on lgf once asked if copies of mein kampf were available, and so i went and looked it up on amazon

fortunately, amazon did not draw the conclusion that i was a nazi and go on to suggest nazi or racist literature for me in Your Recommendations

Ha, they probably have a specific rule against that sort of thing. Amazon would be in deep water if they just handed out Nazi literature search results.

113 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 4:06:25pm

re: #100 engineer cat

they don’t work properly yet

i am consistently seeing ads for things which i just bought

Yeah when I bought a new car 2 years ago I kept seeing ads for MOAR NEW CARS.

114 stabby  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 4:07:23pm

re: #111 Killgore Trout

How many weeks did you live in an occupy camp?

115 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 4:08:46pm

INCOMING

116 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 4:10:16pm

re: #110 EPR-radar

How can this move be a political winner for him?

It only works politically if he’s setting up a long game, thinking there might be room to primary Ron Johnson from the left in 2016.

117 klys  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 4:10:39pm

re: #111 Killgore Trout

Maybe I’m misreading, but it sounds like you’re very concerned about this.

I have a hard time following your point: women do get raped. There are places that are violent. Some people are assholes. It happens a lot of places.

And the concentration of wealth in the hands of very few and the concept of banks ‘too big to fail’ is a very real issue as well, which also deserves to be addressed.

118 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 4:10:43pm

xkcd.com

My understanding of every geologist’s office that I have seen is much clearer.

119 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 4:11:46pm

re: #114 stabby

How many weeks did you live in an occupy camp?

I didn’t visit the local occupy camp. My neighbors attended the Portland protest the first week and took their kids and had a nice time. They went back the next week and left after an hour. Excessive drug use, drunken fights, people shitting in the bushes, fights. They said it was gross and they didn’t feel the kids were safe there, they never went back.

120 klys  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 4:12:25pm

re: #118 Feline Fearless Leader

xkcd.com

My understanding of every geologist’s office that I have seen is much clearer.

It’s true, I don’t really know any without any rocks in them.

Except mine. We have a chunk of the lab countertop. The big, chemically resistant kind. It’s a reminder of why you don’t pour liquid nitrogen down the sink.

One of my committee members has a seal skin. He spends his summers in Greenland.

121 thedopefishlives  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 4:15:02pm

re: #120 klys

It’s true, I don’t really know any without any rocks in them.

Except mine. We have a chunk of the lab countertop. The big, chemically resistant kind. It’s a reminder of why you don’t pour liquid nitrogen down the sink.

One of my committee members has a seal skin. He spends his summers in Greenland.

Liquid nitrogen down the sink? I don’t even WANT to know.

My chemistry teacher in high school made a fun oops where she detonated a piece of sodium in an open beaker of water. Splashed half the classroom with highly concentrated sodium hydroxide. Thankfully, no students were actually hit by the solution, but it was interesting to clean up.

122 klys  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 4:17:39pm

re: #121 thedopefishlives

Liquid nitrogen down the sink? I don’t even WANT to know.

My chemistry teacher in high school made a fun oops where she detonated a piece of sodium in an open beaker of water. Splashed half the classroom with highly concentrated sodium hydroxide. Thankfully, no students were actually hit by the solution, but it was interesting to clean up.

My understanding (it was before my time) was that some grad students were fooling around when they shouldn’t have been. We always have the 160L dewers of it in the lab (the magnets go through it to keep the liquid helium cool, because that shit is expensive)

My favorite science demo (thankfully not gone wrong) involved trying to light pollen on fire in a pile before blowing it through a flame to get a blowtorch type effect. That was awesome.

123 PhillyPretzel  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 4:18:13pm

re: #121 thedopefishlives

When I was in chemistry class I picked a bottle of full strength HCL. The top came off of the bottle and the instructor quickly grabbed a box of baking soda and started to mop up the mess. There was a fault in the glass bottle at the neck.

125 PhillyPretzel  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 4:21:16pm

re: #124 Vicious Babushka

I am not going to Central Park.

126 thedopefishlives  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 4:22:57pm

re: #123 PhillyPretzel

When I was in chemistry class I picked a bottle of full strength HCL. The top came off of the bottle and the instructor quickly grabbed a box of baking soda and started to mop up the mess. There was a fault in the glass bottle at the neck.

I was TA’ing the next class, and she intercepted me at the door and redirected me the long way around the classroom. Then she told me to step closer, grabbed a piece of litmus paper, and dropped it in. I took an involuntary step back at the deep shade of blue the paper turned.

127 klys  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 4:24:13pm

re: #126 thedopefishlives

I was TA’ing the next class, and she intercepted me at the door and redirected me the long way around the classroom. Then she told me to step closer, grabbed a piece of litmus paper, and dropped it in. I took an involuntary step back at the deep shade of blue the paper turned.

You want the real fun, you play with HF.

Except I really don’t recommend that at all. That shit’s scary.

128 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 4:25:20pm

re: #125 PhillyPretzel

I am not going to Central Park.

In Soviet Russia, Shakehead fish sticks eat YOU.

129 EPR-radar  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 4:27:47pm

re: #127 klys

You want the real fun, you play with HF.

Except I really don’t recommend that at all. That shit’s scary.

Too true. Initial contact can be painless, and the effects of skin exposure can be systemic up to and including cardiac arrest.

130 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 4:28:02pm

re: #6 klys

What, you didn’t get the memo that Christianity gives you (where you is defined to be the male at the head of the family) the right to tell women how/when/where to have sex?

//

What is the Christian version of Sharia called?

131 thedopefishlives  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 4:28:17pm

re: #130 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

What is the Christian version of Sharia called?

Stupid.

132 klys  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 4:29:03pm

re: #129 EPR-radar

Too true. Initial contact can be painless, and the effects of skin exposure can be systemic up to and including cardiac arrest.

There are very few things in the lab that terrify me these days, but that remains on the list.

An earthquake while standing on the counter dealing with a sample quench is probably the other.

133 klys  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 4:29:37pm

re: #130 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

What is the Christian version of Sharia called?

Kansas.

///

Apologies to any Kansas residents here.

134 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 4:30:34pm

re: #115 Vicious Babushka


Still looking for a date, is he?

135 EPR-radar  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 4:32:20pm

re: #132 klys

There are very few things in the lab that terrify me these days, but that remains on the list.

An earthquake while standing on the counter dealing with a sample quench is probably the other.

IMO, you’d have to be crazy not to be scared of HF if you work with it.

136 klys  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 4:33:05pm

re: #135 EPR-radar

IMO, you’d have to be crazy not to be scared of HF if you work with it.

I did my absolute best to fob it off on labmates who were less terrified of it than I was.

I had to suck up the sample quench fear though.

137 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 4:33:52pm
138 PhillyPretzel  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 4:35:29pm

re: #137 Vicious Babushka

Does the “J” in his name stand for “jackass?”

139 122 Year Old Obama  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 4:35:49pm

re: #137 Vicious Babushka

People have sex. WHO THE FUCK KNEW?

140 thedopefishlives  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 4:36:17pm

re: #139 122 Year Old Obama

People have sex. WHO THE FUCK KNEW?

Sex is a sin. Except when I approve of it.

141 gwangung  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 4:38:19pm

re: #111 Killgore Trout

Yes, between the violence and sexual assaults it seems many of the camps had a toxic atmosphere. People seemed more interested in advancing the cause and protecting the movement instead of dealing with the very real safety issues.

Given that I’ve been there and know a lot of people who were active, I think you’re more interested in bashing instead of dealing with what the issues were.

You’ve pre-judged and no amount of facts will change your mind.

142 GeneJockey  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 4:41:04pm

re: #123 PhillyPretzel

A Post Doc at a company I worked for, with one broken arm, tried to carry several bottles, including concentrated Ammonium Hydroxide, to another lab, in her arms. She dropped the Ammonia, and tried to mop it up with paper towels before somebody grabbed her and got her - and the rest of us - the hell out of the lab.

Then there were the Post Docs in the Yeast group making spheroplasts with a lot of beta-mercaptoethanol outside the hood, wondering why nobody liked them. This was after they lit the lab on fire twice sterilizing the 96-well plate stamper by dipping it in ethanol and running it through a flame.

Then there was the Post Doc who spilled his 32P hybridization mix on the floor and nobody knew about it till we’d all tracked it all over the building. We cut up carpets, and crawled around on our hands and knees with a Geiger and spray bottles of Count-Off.

Post Docs. Not quite as dangerous as grad students.

143 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 4:42:50pm

re: #121 thedopefishlives

Liquid nitrogen down the sink? I don’t even WANT to know.

My chemistry teacher in high school made a fun oops where she detonated a piece of sodium in an open beaker of water. Splashed half the classroom with highly concentrated sodium hydroxide. Thankfully, no students were actually hit by the solution, but it was interesting to clean up.

ah…explosions in high school chemistry class.
I believe I may have mentioned such a personal memory a couple of days ago.
good times!

144 klys  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 4:43:41pm

re: #142 GeneJockey

Post Docs. Not quite as dangerous as grad students.

Fixed.

I knew a grad student once who started a centrifuge with an unbalanced load.

145 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 4:44:46pm

re: #144 klys

Fixed.

I knew a grad student once who started a centrifuge with an unbalanced load.

I do that every time I wash clothes.

146 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 4:45:46pm

This may not mean what you may immediately think it might…

Larry Flynt endorses Mark Sanford

147 klys  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 4:45:52pm

re: #145 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

I do that every time I wash clothes.

I suspect yours doesn’t go through multiple walls, however. ;) Or at least, I hope so.

148 Stanley Sea  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 4:47:03pm

Hey Charles, everyone.

I’m sometimes tech challenged & this may be a some time. Am I supposed to be able to click/touch on the screen the titles “featured pages” & “recent pages”. To get them to refresh? They are just gray text to me, no refresh.

149 Interesting Times  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 4:50:18pm

re: #142 GeneJockey

I answered a question you asked yesterday, though you might have logged off by the time I posted it.

150 GeneJockey  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 4:51:16pm

re: #144 klys

Fixed.

I knew a grad student once who started a centrifuge with an unbalanced load.

I knew a Post Doc who did the same thing, but it was an ultra, and the rotor was a Beckman VTi90. One of the more experienced SRAs had been mentioning how much better ultras were than the older models, more tolerant of imbalance - “You could practically run it with one tube!”

I’m not sure how fast it was going when it sheared off the drive spindle, but it made a hell of a racket. Fortunately the chambers of ultracentrifuges are armored.

Amazingly enough, Beckman tested the rotor and it was fine. That was, until the seal on one tube blew at 90Krpm, causing an instant 17g imbalance. Same deal - drive spindle sheared off, banshee howl, bangitybangbangbang, but this time they decomissioned the rotor. AND Beckman sent out a tech guy to train us how not to break their centrifuges anymore.

151 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 4:51:49pm

BRYAN’S ON A ROLL TONIGHT.





And now I have to go and throw up

152 Tigger2  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 4:52:42pm

re: #137 Vicious Babushka

Bryan get your mind out of the gutter.

153 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 4:53:04pm

re: #150 GeneJockey

I knew a Post Doc who did the same thing, but it was an ultra, and the rotor was a Beckman VTi90. One of the more experienced SRAs had been mentioning how much better ultras were than the older models, more tolerant of imbalance - “You could practically run it with one tube!”

I’m not sure how fast it was going when it sheared off the drive spindle, but it made a hell of a racket. Fortunately the chambers of ultracentrifuges are armored.

Amazingly enough, Beckman tested the rotor and it was fine. That was, until the seal on one tube blew at 90Krpm, causing an instant 17g imbalance. Same deal - drive spindle sheared off, banshee howl, bangitybangbangbang, but this time they decomissioned the rotor. AND Beckman sent out a tech guy to train us how not to break their centrifuges anymore.

A good analogy for trying to run government when only one of the tubes is acting sane.
;)

154 GeneJockey  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 4:53:10pm

re: #149 Interesting Times

Yeah, I saw that, but I felt the truth of it didn’t require further comment. It’s like the fear of minorities dominating - what if they treat us as shitty as we treated them?

155 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 4:53:19pm

Just remember BRYAN IS A HOLOCAUST VICTIM!

156 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 4:54:10pm

re: #152 Tigger2

Bryan get your mind out of the gutter.

Bryan’s not interested in 15 year old girls.

157 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 4:55:17pm

re: #148 Stanley Sea

Interesting. It’s because you’re using an iPad - will fix.

158 klys  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 4:56:42pm

re: #150 GeneJockey

I knew a Post Doc who did the same thing, but it was an ultra, and the rotor was a Beckman VTi90. One of the more experienced SRAs had been mentioning how much better ultras were than the older models, more tolerant of imbalance - “You could practically run it with one tube!”

I’m not sure how fast it was going when it sheared off the drive spindle, but it made a hell of a racket. Fortunately the chambers of ultracentrifuges are armored.

Amazingly enough, Beckman tested the rotor and it was fine. That was, until the seal on one tube blew at 90Krpm, causing an instant 17g imbalance. Same deal - drive spindle sheared off, banshee howl, bangitybangbangbang, but this time they decomissioned the rotor. AND Beckman sent out a tech guy to train us how not to break their centrifuges anymore.

I work(ed) with NMR.

They sent out a junior tech once to do some maintenance type work, moving the consoles around.

He got one of the consoles a little too close to the magnet.

They had to send a few more techs out after that point.

159 GeneJockey  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 4:56:47pm

re: #151 Vicious Babushka

It’s always sex with these clowns. Aren’t there any OTHER sins?

160 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 4:57:02pm

re: #159 GeneJockey

It’s always sex with these clowns. Aren’t there any OTHER sins?

ISLAM!!

161 klys  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 4:57:10pm

re: #159 GeneJockey

It’s always sex with these clowns. Aren’t there any OTHER sins?

Greed’s not a sin, it’s a virtue.

//

162 Kragar  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 4:57:54pm

re: #137 Vicious Babushka

Because allowing women access to birth control promotes rape apparently.
/

163 GeneJockey  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 4:57:58pm

re: #160 Vicious Babushka

ISLAM!!

I slam, you slam, we all slam Islam.

//

164 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 4:58:20pm

re: #162 Kragar

Because allowing women access to birth control OWS promotes rape apparently.
/

/KT

165 thedopefishlives  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 4:58:55pm

re: #159 GeneJockey

It’s always sex with these clowns. Aren’t there any OTHER sins?

Sex is all they can think about. Probably because they don’t get any.

166 Stanley Sea  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 4:58:59pm

re: #157 Charles Johnson

Interesting. It’s because you’re using an iPad - will fix.

Thanks!

167 klys  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 4:59:17pm

re: #162 Kragar

Because allowing women access to birth control promotes rape apparently.
/

I have come to the sad conclusion that for some of these people, women’s existence apparently promotes rape.

168 thedopefishlives  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 4:59:44pm

re: #167 klys

I have come to the sad conclusion that for some of these people, women’s existence apparently promotes rape.

You pretty much nailed it. I mean, if women weren’t women, men wouldn’t be tempted to have sex.

169 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:00:05pm

Speaking of OWS, I had forgotten about them until KT brought it up.
Funny, that.

170 GeneJockey  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:02:49pm

re: #168 thedopefishlives

I believe that a fair number of prisoners might disabuse you of that notion.

171 Killgore Trout  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:03:08pm

re: #169 Varek Raith

Speaking of OWS, I had forgotten about them until KT brought it up.
Funny, that.

They’re pretty much dead. I think there’s going to be a revival attempt for Mayday (silly leftists) but I doubt it’s going to gain traction again.

172 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:03:52pm

re: #170 GeneJockey

I believe that a fair number of prisoners might disabuse you of that notion.

and several GOP congressmen and operatives…

ETA and prominent religious leaders…

173 klys  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:04:04pm

re: #171 Killgore Trout

They’re pretty much dead. I think there’s going to be a revival attempt for Mayday (silly leftists) but I doubt it’s going to gain traction again.

So …why do you keep bringing them up?

174 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:04:53pm

re: #93 Killgore Trout

Gee…I wonder why that whole Occupy thing didn’t work out….
Anonymous UK founder accused of rape at Occupy London camp

Desperate as always to paint with your big brush eh? Ah, well, I should know better than to feed a troll.

175 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:05:24pm

re: #174 William Barnett-Lewis

Desperate as always to paint with your big brush eh? Ah, well, I should know better than to feed a troll.

But!
He’s so cute!

176 thedopefishlives  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:06:22pm

re: #170 GeneJockey

I believe that a fair number of prisoners might disabuse you of that notion.

It’s not my notion to disabuse, of course.

177 Stanley Sea  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:08:22pm

Occupy Sandy kicked ass.

178 Iwouldprefernotto  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:08:33pm

Nothing is going to bring me down tonight, not even BF.

Just got an e-mail that one of my short stories is going to be published. It’s only the 2nd work of my fiction so I’m happy. Will give details when it goes online this summer. I’m going to spend the rest of the evening working on my novel.

Not even Ann Coulter could piss me off tonight.

179 thedopefishlives  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:09:06pm

re: #178 Iwouldprefernotto

Nothing is going to bring me down tonight, not even BF.

Just got an e-mail that one of my short stories is going to be published. It’s only the 2nd work of my fiction so I’m happy. Will give details when it goes online this summer. I’m going to spend the rest of the evening working on my novel.

Not even Ann Coulter could piss me off tonight.

Wow, lotta good news among the Lizardim tonight.

180 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:09:16pm

re: #178 Iwouldprefernotto

Nothing is going to bring me down tonight, not even BF.

Just got an e-mail that one of my short stories is going to be published. It’s only the 2nd work of my fiction so I’m happy. Will give details when it goes online this summer. I’m going to spend the rest of the evening working on my novel.

Not even Ann Coulter could piss me off tonight.

Greedo shot first!

181 klys  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:10:19pm

re: #178 Iwouldprefernotto

Nothing is going to bring me down tonight, not even BF.

Just got an e-mail that one of my short stories is going to be published. It’s only the 2nd work of my fiction so I’m happy. Will give details when it goes online this summer. I’m going to spend the rest of the evening working on my novel.

Not even Ann Coulter could piss me off tonight.

Congratulations! I much prefer all the good news that’s been flowing.

182 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:10:22pm

re: #121 thedopefishlives

Liquid nitrogen down the sink? I don’t even WANT to know.

My chemistry teacher in high school made a fun oops where she detonated a piece of sodium in an open beaker of water. Splashed half the classroom with highly concentrated sodium hydroxide. Thankfully, no students were actually hit by the solution, but it was interesting to clean up.

Sounds like the time a friend and I were experimenting with Thermite in the chem classroom in Jr. High. Ignited it with a bit of magnesium foil… Only good thing was we didn’t make much so it burned out fast…

183 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:11:15pm

re: #182 William Barnett-Lewis

I can admit to shenanigans involving thermite….

184 klys  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:11:24pm

re: #182 William Barnett-Lewis

Sounds like the time a friend and I were experimenting with Thermite in the chem classroom in Jr. High. Ignited it with a bit of magnesium foil… Only good thing was we didn’t make much so it burned out fast…

It looks really awesome as a giant sparkler burning in a bottle of root beer. As in under-soda.

Not that you heard it from me.

185 Stanley Sea  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:11:31pm

re: #179 thedopefishlives

Wow, lotta good news among the Lizardim tonight.

What did I miss?

186 Stanley Sea  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:13:09pm

Is WW still here?

Stabby meet Rapey

Epic.

187 Iwouldprefernotto  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:13:13pm

re: #183 Varek Raith

I can admit to shenanigans involving thermite….

About the time the WTC came down? Too soon?

188 thedopefishlives  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:14:22pm

re: #185 Stanley Sea

re: #34 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All

189 Ming  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:14:36pm

re: #60 Lidane

“Paul Ryan backs adoption by same-sex couples.” Wow. Like Romney, Ryan can change any position at any time. His “Ayn Rand / Catholic” orientation already puts him all over the map. I suspect his latest change is to reach out to the gay vote in 2016. As others have said, it will be interesting to see how the right-wing base reacts to this!

190 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:14:54pm

re: #187 Iwouldprefernotto

About the time the WTC came down? Too soon?

Nope.
My rule is a few months then go for it.
/Going to hell!

191 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:15:18pm

re: #183 Varek Raith

I can admit to shenanigans involving thermite….

Pffftt.. At 13 I made infernal devices out of yeast.

192 GeneJockey  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:16:07pm

re: #176 thedopefishlives

It’s not my notion to disabuse, of course.

What? You’re not a sexist asshole? Another illusion shattered!

//

193 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:16:47pm

re: #191 Decatur Deb

Pffftt.. At 13 I made infernal devices out of yeast.

Flour + flame = Lol.

194 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:16:50pm

re: #191 Decatur Deb

Pffftt.. At 13 I made infernal devices out of yeast.

That was 1913?

195 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:17:15pm

re: #194 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

That was 1913?

No.
13.
Ad.

196 GeneJockey  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:17:15pm

All this talk of explosives - I think I must have led a very sheltered life!

197 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:18:04pm

re: #194 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

That was 1913?

Eisenhower era. We worked with what we had.

198 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:18:14pm

re: #196 GeneJockey

All this talk of explosives - I think I must have led a very sheltered life!

I lost the bomb, do you have it?
- Crazy Ivan, Red Alert 2

199 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:18:32pm

re: #196 GeneJockey

All this talk of explosives - I think I must have led a very sheltered life!

All we did when I was 10 was collect gun powder from caps and blow up crickets.

200 bratwurst  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:18:59pm

re: #114 stabby

How many weeks did you live in an occupy camp?

At the time he literally mentioned the fact he had DRIVEN PAST ONE as being relevant to his understanding of the situation. I am not kidding.

201 PhillyPretzel  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:19:01pm

I still use baking soda and vinegar to clean my pots. :)

202 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:19:07pm

The new refresh feature now works on iPads and iPhones too.

Apparently, the mobile versions of Safari don’t see clicks on <dt> elements. You have to wrap the clickable text in an <a> tag.

203 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:19:17pm

re: #193 Varek Raith

Flour + flame = Lol.

Yeast, sugar, water, sunlight—very thickwalled flask

204 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:19:52pm

If it’s not one thing, it’s another.

205 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:20:00pm

Chemistry taught me some very bad things.

206 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:20:55pm

I feel more like I do now than I did when I got here.

207 thedopefishlives  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:21:03pm

re: #202 Charles Johnson

The new refresh feature now works on iPads and iPhones too.

Apparently, the mobile versions of Safari don’t see clicks on <dt> elements. You have to wrap the clickable text in an <a> tag.

Ah, the wonder of web “standards”. Sigh.

208 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:21:47pm

re: #206 Charles Johnson

I feel more like I do now than I did when I got here.

No matter where you go, there you are.

209 Stanley Sea  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:21:56pm

re: #206 Charles Johnson

I feel more like I do now than I did when I got here.

Success! Thanks Charles!

210 klys  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:21:59pm

re: #206 Charles Johnson

I feel more like I do now than I did when I got here.

This is a very zen statement. I am going to use it everywhere now.

211 thedopefishlives  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:22:16pm

re: #208 Decatur Deb

No matter where you go, there you are.

I’ve gone to find myself. If I should come back before I return, keep me here.

212 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:22:53pm

re: #201 PhillyPretzel

I still use baking soda and vinegar to clean my pots. :)

We used to get little toys in cereal boxes that had hollowed out bottoms where you packed baking soda and then put into a bowl of water/vinegar mix.

213 GeneJockey  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:23:16pm

re: #211 thedopefishlives

I’ve gone to find myself. If I should come back before I return, keep me here.

Why do so many people who have never been here come to California to find themselves? Wouldn’t it make more sense to look for yourself where you’ve been?

214 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:23:25pm

re: #208 Decatur Deb

No matter where you go, there you are.

Whatever you say Buckaroo

215 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:23:26pm

Image: Mad_Science_by_JediMSieer.png

216 thedopefishlives  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:23:57pm

re: #213 GeneJockey

Why do so many people who have never been here come to California to find themselves? Wouldn’t it make more sense to look for yourself where you’ve been?

The thing you lost is always in the last place you look for it.

217 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:24:20pm

re: #215 Varek Raith

Image: Mad_Science_by_JediMSieer.png

Was that an invisible Madona

218 GeneJockey  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:24:22pm

re: #215 Varek Raith

What’s with the picture of the Hypno Bra?

//

219 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:24:29pm

re: #212 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

We used to get little toys in cereal boxes that had hollowed out bottoms where you packed baking soda and then put into a bowl of water/vinegar mix.

Had those—frogmen and submarines. Had a Gilbert chemistry set with test tubes, bicarbonate and tartaric acid. Still have the scar from 1953.

220 klys  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:24:32pm

re: #213 GeneJockey

Why do so many people who have never been here come to California to find themselves? Wouldn’t it make more sense to look for yourself where you’ve been?

Our crappy fabulous weather.

221 GeneJockey  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:25:08pm

re: #220 klys

Our crappy fabulous weather.

OUR fabulous weather. YOUR crappy weather.

222 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:25:12pm

re: #213 GeneJockey

Why do so many people who have never been here come to California to find themselves? Wouldn’t it make more sense to look for yourself where you’ve been?

Certainly not where I’ve been—not welcome there.

223 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:26:09pm

re: #218 GeneJockey

What’s with the picture of the Hypno Bra?

//

That’s the x-ray voyeur glasses from the back of the comic books.

224 GeneJockey  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:26:22pm

re: #216 thedopefishlives

The thing you lost is always in the last place you look for it.

Unless you’re an moron.

//

225 klys  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:26:34pm

re: #221 GeneJockey

OUR fabulous weather. YOUR crappy weather.

It’s (only) 82 degrees right now!

Of course, the predicted highs are going back up again. :(

226 Political Atheist  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:26:41pm

re: #182 William Barnett-Lewis

Sounds like the time a friend and I were experimenting with Thermite in the chem classroom in Jr. High. Ignited it with a bit of magnesium foil… Only good thing was we didn’t make much so it burned out fast…

The MSDS sheet just does not always make the impression it should. So-A unique style of safety instruction-Had to teach our guys how to handle & use metallic lithium in alloys. Stuff is so sensitive to oxygen it’s kept in mineral oil. So to show the dangers I put a beaker of water out and added a small chip of lithium. It reacts a few seconds then I toss in a match. Poof, perfect hydrogen flame. The guys at the shop then gave that metal all the respect it needed every time.

227 RealityBasedSteve  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:26:42pm

re: #218 GeneJockey

What’s with the picture of the Hypno Bra?

//

ALL HAIL THE HYPNO-BRA!!!!

RBS

228 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:27:37pm

re: #227 RealityBasedSteve

ALL HAIL THE HYPNO-BRA!!!!

RBS

That show’s been going downhill since season 3.
-Fry

229 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:27:54pm

I JUST THREW UP IN MY MOUTH

230 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:27:59pm

re: #219 Decatur Deb

Had those—frogmen and submarines. Had a Gilbert chemistry set with test tubes, bicarbonate and tartaric acid. Still have the scar from 1953.

I didn’t get the chem set until 1965, complete with potassium permanganate.

231 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:28:23pm

...

232 klys  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:28:23pm

re: #230 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

I didn’t get the chem set until 1965, complete with potassium permanganate.

That stuff is fun.

Stains are a bitch, though.

233 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:28:37pm

Why teh Tweets not embed?

234 klys  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:29:11pm

re: #233 Vicious Babushka

Why teh Tweets not embed?

Pfft, I just thought you were offering commentary on our thrilling conversation.

//

;)

235 wrenchwench  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:29:13pm

re: #186 Stanley Sea

Is WW still here?

Stabby meet Rapey

Epic.

Thanks.

I was here, but now I’m not.

Later, lizards.

236 GeneJockey  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:29:22pm

re: #233 Vicious Babushka

Yeah, I wondered what the hell you were on about.

//

237 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:29:23pm

re: #230 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

I didn’t get the chem set until 1965, complete with potassium permanganate.

If you had some really good hydrogen peroxide, you have the makings of a late WWII U-boat.

238 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:29:24pm

re: #229 Vicious Babushka

I JUST THREW UP IN MY MOUTH

Why?

239 abolitionist  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:29:32pm

re: #208 Decatur Deb

No matter where you go, there you are.

So said George Burns, I think.

240 Stanley Sea  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:29:36pm

Saw this last night….

Family Guy Magic Baby

So succinct.

241 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:29:41pm

...

242 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:29:47pm

re: #232 klys

That stuff is fun.

Stains are a bitch, though.

Aren’t they though.

243 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:29:50pm

re: #238 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

Why?

this.

244 GeneJockey  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:30:05pm

re: #225 klys

It’s (only) 82 degrees right now!

Of course, the predicted highs are going back up again. :(

82’s too hot!

245 RealityBasedSteve  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:30:12pm

Still have a scar on my knuckle from the 70’s where I was cutting a piece of sodium with a pocket knife, it slipped and then cut me, putting sodium into the wound. Not the most fun I’ve ever had.

Ah, when we were young and dumb, and our toys could kill us all… Who remembers JARTS?

RBS

246 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:30:15pm

re: #230 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

I didn’t get the chem set until 1965, complete with potassium permanganate.

daily-grind.net

247 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:30:19pm

re: #239 abolitionist

So said George Burns, I think.

Buckaroo Banzai—maybe George, too.

248 klys  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:30:42pm

re: #235 wrenchwench

Thanks.

I was here, but now I’m not.

Later, lizards.

I have a friend who, when we lived together in college, had a pet hedgehog. (We’ll ignore the fact that we weren’t supposed to have pets in the apartment.)

He was so stupid, he loved to ram his head into the toilet paper rolls. At which point he would get stuck. And then flail. And flail. And flail.

And then you’d pull it off and he’d do it again immediately. An absolute blast.

249 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:30:51pm

re: #242 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

Are you still playing with Fernando? Its buttocks are so stale, I got bored.

250 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:31:29pm
251 GeneJockey  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:31:50pm

re: #243 Vicious Babushka

this.

Eeeeeewww.

252 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:32:09pm

re: #237 Decatur Deb

If you had some really good hydrogen peroxide, you have the makings of a late WWII U-boat.

I was 10. I had no idea about U-boats.

253 klys  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:32:35pm

re: #244 GeneJockey

82’s too hot!

Far too hot. :( This is my sad I-hate-the-heat-and-that’s-before-the-make-me-extra-heat-sensitive-meds face.

254 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:32:36pm

re: #245 RealityBasedSteve

Still have a scar on my knuckle from the 70’s where I was cutting a piece of sodium with a pocket knife, it slipped and then cut me, putting sodium into the wound. Not the most fun I’ve ever had.

Ah, when we were young and dumb, and our toys could kill us all… Who remembers JARTS?

RBS

We collected mercury from broken thermometer to ‘silverplate’ pennies. Pittsburgh kids chewed roofing tar for poorkid chewing gum (MMmmm coal tar derivatives..)

255 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:32:44pm

re: #251 GeneJockey

Eeeeeewww.

You threw up in your mouth, didn’t you?

256 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:33:17pm

re: #252 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

I was 10. I had no idea about U-boats.

By that age I could name the weapons of America’s and Iraq’s army due to watching GW1 on teh teevee.

257 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:34:19pm

re: #191 Decatur Deb

Pffftt.. At 13 I made infernal devices out of yeast.

We already knew that yeast was of the Devil - since you need it for beer.

258 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:34:42pm

Wingnuts get all discombobulated when Real Life does not acknowledge their MOST OUTRAGEOUS OUTRAGE EVER EVER!!

259 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:34:51pm

re: #245 RealityBasedSteve

Still have a scar on my knuckle from the 70’s where I was cutting a piece of sodium with a pocket knife, it slipped and then cut me, putting sodium into the wound. Not the most fun I’ve ever had.

Ah, when we were young and dumb, and our toys could kill us all… Who remembers JARTS?

RBS

Fire coming from your finger? Cool.

260 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:35:24pm

re: #256 Varek Raith

By that age I could name the weapons of America’s and Iraq’s army due to watching GW1 on teh teevee.

At that age our school’s military instructor gave us ‘enrichment’ classes in laying U and Diamond ambushes—as a reward.

261 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:36:06pm

re: #247 Decatur Deb

Buckaroo Banzai—maybe George, too.

I mentioned him up thread, you slow poke.

262 PhillyPretzel  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:36:24pm

re: #257 Feline Fearless Leader

Didn’t Ben Franklin say Beer is proof that G-d loves us?

263 Amory Blaine  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:36:37pm

re: #250 Charles Johnson

I remember something about Reince and reaching out or an autopsy or somethin’. I don’t know, it’s all fuzzy now.

264 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:37:15pm

re: #249 Vicious Babushka

Are you still playing with Fernando? Its buttocks are so stale, I got bored.

I just wanted to see if it was still alive.

265 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:38:50pm

re: #254 Decatur Deb

We collected mercury from broken thermometer to ‘silverplate’ pennies. Pittsburgh kids chewed roofing tar for poorkid chewing gum (MMmmm coal tar derivatives..)

We used to chew tar too.
I used to collect bullets from the shooting range and melt it down on the stove.

266 GeneJockey  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:39:00pm

re: #262 PhillyPretzel

Franklin probably thought whores were proof god love us.

267 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:39:00pm

re: #245 RealityBasedSteve

Still have a scar on my knuckle from the 70’s where I was cutting a piece of sodium with a pocket knife, it slipped and then cut me, putting sodium into the wound. Not the most fun I’ve ever had.

Ah, when we were young and dumb, and our toys could kill us all… Who remembers JARTS?

RBS

My brother still has the family set.

268 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:39:22pm

Let’s try that again…

269 RealityBasedSteve  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:39:25pm

re: #264 Walking Spanish Down the Hall
re: #249 Vicious Babushka

Are you still playing with Fernando? Its buttocks are so stale, I got bored.

I just wanted to see if it was still alive.

I’m not sure I even want to go back up thread and figure out what that’s all about, more fun leaving it to my imagination.

RBS

270 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:39:44pm

re: #256 Varek Raith

By that age I could name the weapons of America’s and Iraq’s army due to watching GW1 on teh teevee.

I was into SciFi and space.

271 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:39:50pm

re: #265 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

We used to chew tar too.
I used to collect bullets from the shooting range and melt it down on the stove.

Love the smell of lead oxide in the morning.

272 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:39:57pm

re: #268 Charles Johnson

Let’s try that again…

Ted Nugent?
/Bam!

273 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:40:02pm

re: #262 PhillyPretzel

Didn’t Ben Franklin say Beer is proof that G-d loves us?

Ben is also way cooler than Bryan and his ilk. Ben knew it. They know it too.

274 thedopefishlives  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:44:07pm

re: #264 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

I just wanted to see if it was still alive.

Kill it with fire.

275 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:44:10pm

re: #268 Charles Johnson

Let’s try that again…

I’ll be damned. Someone actually found a way to say something that was an insult to Rush The Hutt…

276 Amory Blaine  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:46:10pm

Who’s the old rock star? When I google Limbaugh and vagina something else comes up.

277 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:46:48pm
278 GeneJockey  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:47:04pm

re: #245 RealityBasedSteve

Ah, when we were young and dumb, and our toys could kill us all… Who remembers JARTS?

Kids, are you tired of the interminable wait for the arrow you shot straight up to come back down and stick in your head? Try JARTS!

279 Iwouldprefernotto  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:47:34pm

re: #277 Charles Johnson

No, the Libya survivors should go on Dancing with the Stars….

280 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:48:44pm
It is possible to import parts of a lawn dart - plastic flights, metal bodies, and steel spigots - as well as a complete set of replacement parts to repair damaged lawn darts, into the US and Canada. However, fully assembled individual darts, sets, and kits are banned from entry by US and Canada customs.
281 GeneJockey  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:49:46pm

re: #280 Varek Raith

So you can’t legally throw Jarts over the Mexican border?

EDIT - From Mexico, that is.

282 stabby  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:49:59pm

re: #231 Vicious Babushka

…

283 Varek Raith  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:50:10pm

re: #281 GeneJockey

So you can’t legally throw Jarts over the Mexican border?

Not if customs sees you do it.

284 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:50:54pm

re: #280 Varek Raith

What is the terminal velocity of a lawn dart retro’ed from low Earth orbit?

285 GeneJockey  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:52:09pm

re: #284 Decatur Deb

That might make an even better video than wringing out a washcloth in space!

286 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:52:38pm

re: #278 GeneJockey

Kids, are you tired of the interminable wait for the arrow you shot straight up to come back down and stick in your head? Try JARTS!

I’ve told this story before, but I did exactly that when I was living with my grandparents. I shot an arrow straight up and when it came down I could see it wasn’t moving to the side as it had done every time before (I was an idiot). I ran and hid under the garage eave until it hit the ground.

The ground was damp so I could see where I had been standing. The arrow (practice point) was in between the two footprints.

287 GeneJockey  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:53:33pm

re: #286 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

Now that’s good aim!

288 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:54:25pm

An informal nickname given the early F-16s was “Lawn Dart”.

289 GeneJockey  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:56:07pm

re: #288 Decatur Deb

Appearance or flight characteristics?

290 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:56:49pm

BRYAN IS A VICTIM!! HE’S BEIN OPPRESSED BY TEH GHEY!!11

291 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:57:20pm

re: #289 GeneJockey

Appearance or flight characteristics?

Bad engines. (I think I remember the name used also for one of the ‘Century’ series fighters.)

292 Kragar  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:57:45pm

re: #290 Vicious Babushka

BRYAN IS A VICTIM!! HE’S BEIN OPPRESSED BY TEH GHEY!!11

HELP! HELP! I’M BEING REPRESSED!

293 stabby  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:59:23pm

re: #290 Vicious Babushka

You know, no one is forcing you to read Bryan’s tweets and I’m wishing you weren’t forcing us to…

294 jaunte  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 5:59:53pm
Youtube Video
295 dragonath  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 6:00:36pm

Loesch attended a “Occupy the Truth” Tea Party function, so I guess this thread has come full circle…

re: #290 Vicious Babushka

BRYAN IS A VICTIM!! HE’S BEIN OPPRESSED BY TEH GHEY!!11

JESUS IS WATCHING YOU HAVE SEX

296 thedopefishlives  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 6:01:41pm

re: #295 dragonath

JESUS IS WATCHING YOU HAVE SEX

Careful. Some of them probably like that.

297 Sionainn  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 6:01:54pm

re: #244 GeneJockey

82’s too hot!

82 is just right!

298 Sionainn  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 6:05:38pm

re: #293 stabby

You know, no one is forcing you to read Bryan’s tweets and I’m wishing you weren’t forcing us to…

I like reading them.

299 abolitionist  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 6:09:31pm

re: #295 dragonath

Loesch attended a “Occupy the Truth” Tea Party function, so I guess this thread has come full circle…

JESUS IS WATCHING YOU HAVE SEX

Compensation. Never saw his parents do it. /

300 Mattand  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 6:10:04pm

re: #295 dragonath

Loesch attended a “Occupy the Truth” Tea Party function, so I guess this thread has come full circle…

JESUS IS WATCHING YOU HAVE SEX

I got this picture of JC on ladder spying on coeds a la Animal House.

301 engineer cat  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 6:10:11pm

THEY are making public what they do in their bedrooms

i guess this channel isn’t in my cable subscription

302 engineer cat  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 6:10:50pm

re: #295 dragonath

Loesch attended a “Occupy the Truth” Tea Party function, so I guess this thread has come full circle…

JESUS IS WATCHING YOU HAVE SEX

he sez ‘ur doin it rong’

303 jaunte  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 6:10:50pm

re: #301 engineer cat

It plays on the inside of Bryan’s eyelids.

304 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 6:11:27pm

re: #298 Sionainn

I like reading them.

Reading Bryan’s tweets reminds me my mind actually works.

305 Iwouldprefernotto  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 6:11:35pm

re: #301 engineer cat

THEY are making public what they do in their bedrooms

i guess this channel isn’t in my cable subscription

I’m willing to bet that some of them do it in other rooms. Just sayin’

306 Mattand  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 6:13:41pm

re: #290 Vicious Babushka

307 Cheechako  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 6:19:25pm

re: #288 Decatur Deb

An informal nickname given the early F-16s was “Lawn Dart”.

Smokejumpers are sometimes called “Tree Darts”.

308 ProBosniaLiberal  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 6:20:39pm

I have a question for the genetics/history wonks on here.

My Mom’s Dad took a Genetic Test for ancestry a few years ago, and researched it.

The usual popped up. Southern German and Swiss, all of the British nationalities (English & Welsh in the smallest amount.), and a fair amount of Scandinavian from the Nordic-Scots, along with the Normans.

But there was a surprise. Two of them.

a) Mediterranean-area was present, though he couldn’t remember if it was the North or South Side.

b) There was also enough of outlier groups to detect. The outlier groups are Iranian and Levantine Arab, possibly Turkish.

My question is, why are the groups in surprise b there? Is there some history I should know about.

309 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 6:21:44pm

re: #308 ProBosniaLiberal

I have a question for the genetics/history wonks on here.

My Mom’s Dad took a Genetic Test for ancestry a few years ago, and researched it.

The usual popped up. Southern German and Swiss, all of the British nationalities (English & Welsh in the smallest amount.), and a fair amount of Scandinavian from the Nordic-Scots, along with the Normans.

But there was a surprise. Two of them.

a) Mediterranean-area was present, though he couldn’t remember if it was the North or South Side.

b) There was also enough of outlier groups to detect. The outlier groups are Iranian and Levantine Arab, possibly Turkish.

My question is, why are the groups in surprise b there? Is there some history I should know about.

Does it really matter?

310 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 6:22:29pm

In this last election, Bryan Fischer had access to the Presidential campaign front-runners of the Republican Party, and interviewed most of them. It’s not a good idea to underestimate the influence of lunatics like this in American politics.

311 ProBosniaLiberal  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 6:22:52pm

re: #309 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

I’m curious. Now I want to know how it got there.

312 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 6:23:45pm

re: #308 ProBosniaLiberal

What are you talking about? People got all over the place even in ye olde times. There’s nothing surprising about it.

313 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 6:23:56pm

re: #311 ProBosniaLiberal

I’m curious. Now I want to know how it got there.

A Crusade is a long, lonely slog.

314 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 6:25:01pm

re: #311 ProBosniaLiberal

I’m curious. Now I want to know how it got there.

Europe is a mish mash.
Expecting there not to be markers from all over is the real surprise.

315 AlexRogan  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 6:25:03pm

re: #291 Decatur Deb

Bad engines. (I think I remember the name used also for one of the ‘Century’ series fighters.)

The F-100 Super Sabre, especially the early models, had a reputation as a widowmaker.

316 dragonath  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 6:25:09pm

re: #308 ProBosniaLiberal

But there was a surprise. Two of them.

a) Mediterranean-area was present, though he couldn’t remember if it was the North or South Side.

Maybe you have some Greek, since you have an affinity for them.

317 HappyWarrior  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 6:25:09pm

re: #311 ProBosniaLiberal

I’m curious. Now I want to know how it got there.

Migration.

318 engineer cat  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 6:25:46pm

re: #310 Charles Johnson

In this last election, Bryan Fischer had access to the Presidential campaign front-runners of the Republican Party, and interviewed most of them. It’s not a good idea to underestimate the influence of lunatics like this in American politics.

is it possible to detect the influence of sane people in american politics?

319 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 6:26:09pm

re: #311 ProBosniaLiberal

migration is a marvelous thing.
Everybody comes from somewhere. Eventually you end up in the “cradle of civilization”.
or it’s like Decatur Deb says…the Crusades: see the world, meet new and interesting people.

320 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 6:27:20pm

re: #319 Backwoods_Sleuth

migration is a marvelous thing.
Everybody comes from somewhere. Eventually you end up in the “cradle of civilization”.
or it’s like Decatur Deb says…the Crusades: see the world, meet new and interesting people.

Or, to put it inelegantly, humans travel long distances and fuck a lot.

321 ProBosniaLiberal  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 6:28:55pm

re: #319 Backwoods_Sleuth

Then fall in love and have children with the new and interesting people.

re: #316 dragonath

Going through Anatolia to Europe seems easier than going through the Caucasus Mountains. That seems to be a definite. That also means there a high chance South Slavic.

322 thedopefishlives  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 6:29:10pm

re: #318 engineer cat

is it possible to detect the influence of sane people in american politics?

What sane people?

323 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 6:32:23pm

re: #318 engineer cat

is it possible to detect the influence of sane people in american politics?

if you use a longer time-frame, definitely.

324 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 6:32:39pm

re: #321 ProBosniaLiberal

Then fall in love and have children with the new and interesting people.

re: #316 dragonath

Going through Anatolia to Europe seems easier than going through the Caucasus Mountains. That seems to be a definite. That also means there a high chance South Slavic.

Venetian merchant sailors used that whole area as a highway for centuries.

325 HappyWarrior  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 6:33:04pm

re: #319 Backwoods_Sleuth

migration is a marvelous thing.
Everybody comes from somewhere. Eventually you end up in the “cradle of civilization”.
or it’s like Decatur Deb says…the Crusades: see the world, meet new and interesting people.

Makes me think of the protagonist in the Assassins Creed series. White dude with Syrian and Florentine ancestors. I’m sure if I had an animus though, it would just be farming but who knows what secrets our ancestors hide, I guess that’s why genealogy fascinates me. On a cool ancestral note, I finally got the photo of my great great grandfather’s blacksmith shop hung up in my room.

326 HoosierHoops  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 6:37:11pm

re: #309 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

Does it really matter?

I don’t think so as far that the only thing that matters is today and the future.
I lived in foster homes till I was 12 and then adopted by a German Catholic family. ( Thank God ) I have never obsessed about where I came from..Only where I am going. I know who I am but I know not my history.
Does it really matter? I’m a subject expert about this…
It doesn’t matter nor does it help to grow bitter about being given away as a baby.
/That’s all I got to say about that - Forrest Gump

327 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 6:37:30pm

how is it tonite?

328 HappyWarrior  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 6:37:42pm

Thing about migration though it just gets me thinking why jingostic nationalism at its core is absurd. I see no shame in feeling pride in culture and heritage but what migration shows us is why it’s absurd to look down on someone for being of another culture. The rabid anti-Semite who has Jewish lineage. The racist convinced of the “superiority” of the white race with black ancestors. Could go on and on but I really do think migration and evolution show the foolishness of thinking one’s race or nationality makes them better than another.

329 HappyWarrior  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 6:40:09pm

re: #326 HoosierHoops

I don’t think so as far that the only thing that matters is today and the future.
I lived in foster homes till I was 12 and then adopted by a German Catholic family. ( Thank God ) I have never obsessed about where I came from..Only where I am going. I know who I am but I know not my history.
Does it really matter? I’m a subject expert about this…
It doesn’t matter nor does it help to grow bitter about being given away as a baby.
/That’s all I got to say about that - Forrest Gump

I feel ya Hoops but it is fun to ponder. As I said, I have a photograph of my great great grandfather and a bunch of men at his blacksmith shop. He was the first person from what I understand in my whole family lineage to emigrate to the US so it’s fun to wonder about him. Like what kind of dreams did he have? What were his quirks? What made him laugh? Etc. To me, it’s the human element that makes genealogy fascinating. But you make a good point.

330 klys  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 6:40:39pm

Ways to not get anywhere fast:

San Jose: Starbucks poison suspect booked on attempted murder rap

An experienced corporate chemist and pharmacist from South San Jose became an accused would-be killer Monday in bizarre fashion: By eschewing her vast expertise and allegedly making a crude mix of rubbing alcohol and orange juice she tried to sneak into the display case of a Starbucks just as it was filling with high schoolers out for the day.

Thankfully this is not my local Starbucks.

331 ProBosniaLiberal  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 6:40:53pm

re: #328 HappyWarrior

It does promote, however, a sane form of nationalism for the US, Canada, and a few other places. Because that’s what we are built on.

Also, watching an episode of What the Fuck is Wrong With You.

Apparent’y some guy in one of the stories used a Pizza Cutter as a defensive weapon against a bandit.

How do you use a Pizza Cutter as a weapon. That seems odd.

332 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 6:42:02pm

re: #331 ProBosniaLiberal

It does promote, however, a sane form of nationalism for the US, Canada, and a few other places. Because that’s what we are built on.

Also, watching an episode of What the Fuck is Wrong With You.

Apparent’y some guy in one of the stories used a Pizza Cutter as a defensive weapon against a bandit.

How do you use a Pizza Cutter as a weapon. That seems odd.

things are freaking sharp! Actually, I think my rotary cutter for fabric is one of the most dangerous tools I have. They just keep rolling and cutting.

333 engineer cat  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 6:42:03pm

re: #328 HappyWarrior

Thing about migration though it just gets me thinking why jingostic nationalism at its core is absurd. I see no shame in feeling pride in culture and heritage but what migration shows us is why it’s absurd to look down on someone for being of another culture. The rabid anti-Semite who has Jewish lineage. The racist convinced of the “superiority” of the white race with black ancestors. Could go on and on but I really do think migration and evolution show the foolishness of thinking one’s race or nationality makes them better than another.

since i like to dabble in prehistory, i tend to think of the story this way:

about 60 thousand years ago, anatomically modern humans started leaving africa and settling in other parts of the world

then they moved around some more

334 ProBosniaLiberal  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 6:43:29pm

re: #332 FemNaziBitch

But they prone to spinning. Wouldn’t that make it more difficult to use?

335 HappyWarrior  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 6:43:37pm

re: #333 engineer cat

since i like to dabble in prehistory, i tend to think of the story this way:

about 60 thousand years ago, anatomically modern humans started leaving africa and settling in other parts of the world

then they moved around some more

That’s interesting to think about too. Really human evolution is a helluva story. It’s better than Creation if you ask me.

336 abolitionist  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 6:45:03pm

re: #333 engineer cat

since i like to dabble in prehistory, i tend to think of the story this way:

about 60 thousand years ago, anatomically modern humans started leaving africa and settling in other parts of the world

then they moved around some more

Receding/melting glacier nearby = abundant water supply, for a very long time.

337 Charles Johnson  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 6:46:04pm

Governor Christie vs. the Breitbrats:

338 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 6:46:05pm

re: #334 ProBosniaLiberal

But they prone to spinning. Wouldn’t that make it more difficult to use?

I don’t understand the mechanics of it (seems like math to me), but I’ve gotten the worst cuts from that rotary cutter. And I have to be especially careful when putting the pizza cutter in the dishwasher, if I reach down to place something next to it, I will get cut, not so with other sharp knives.

339 HappyWarrior  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 6:46:10pm

re: #331 ProBosniaLiberal

It does promote, however, a sane form of nationalism for the US, Canada, and a few other places. Because that’s what we are built on.

Also, watching an episode of What the Fuck is Wrong With You.

Apparent’y some guy in one of the stories used a Pizza Cutter as a defensive weapon against a bandit.

How do you use a Pizza Cutter as a weapon. That seems odd.

It’s why ours is a different nationalism than we see elsewhere. Not immune from bigotry or jingoism mind you but societies like ours where national identity is based more on shared culture aren’t the norm. Hell, it’s fun to think about really. To think about what may have driven in your case your ancestors to go from near Greece towards Germany and such.

340 engineer cat  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 6:47:03pm

re: #336 abolitionist

Receding/melting glacier nearby = abundant water supply, for a very long time.

there were really large herds of edible mammals in the general vicinity as well

more food than you could shake a stick at if you could stand the winters

341 HappyWarrior  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 6:47:06pm

re: #337 Charles Johnson

Governor Christie vs. the Breitbrats:

If I didn’t know any better, I’d think he was Chris Christie (D) the way they’ve come to despise him.

342 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 6:47:17pm

re: #339 HappyWarrior

It’s why ours is a different nationalism than we see elsewhere. Not immune from bigotry or jingoism mind you but societies like ours where national identity is based more on shared culture aren’t the norm. Hell, it’s fun to think about really. To think about what may have driven in your case your ancestors to go from near Greece towards Germany and such.

How do we identify “hispanic” in our world. By bloodlines, country of origin or language?

343 GeneJockey  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 6:47:25pm

re: #335 HappyWarrior

That’s interesting to think about too. Really human evolution is a helluva story. It’s better than Creation if you ask me.

EXACTLY!!!

My sister (Who had recently been Born Again, and was going through the Zeal of the Newly Converted) asked me “But with no God, doesn’t the Universe lose it’s wonder?”

HELL NO! Looking at the wonders of nature, the way that organisms evolve to suit their environments - it’s endlessly fascinating! If somebody just spoke it all into existence 6000 years ago, where’s the wonder in that?

344 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 6:48:08pm

re: #343 GeneJockey

EXACTLY!!!

My sister (Who had recently been Born Again, and was going through the Zeal of the Newly Converted) asked me “But with no God, doesn’t the Universe lose it’s wonder?”

HELL NO! Looking at the wonders of nature, the way that organisms evolve to suit their environments - it’s endlessly fascinating! If somebody just spoke it all into existence 6000 years ago, where’s the wonder in that?

Carl Sagan wrote a Novel about just that.

345 engineer cat  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 6:48:44pm

re: #342 FemNaziBitch

How do we identify “hispanic” in our world. By bloodlines, country of origin or language?

language, where shared language implies some shared culture

346 HappyWarrior  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 6:49:18pm

re: #342 FemNaziBitch

How do we identify “hispanic” in our world. By bloodlines, country of origin or language?

You know, that’s a good question. I don’t know the answer.

347 HappyWarrior  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 6:49:59pm

re: #345 engineer cat

language, where shared language implies some shared culture

Ah but don’t we identify Brazilians who are more likely to have Portuguese ancestry than Spanish as Hispanic?

348 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 6:50:26pm

re: #345 engineer cat

language, where shared language implies some shared culture

sometimes. I am specifically reminded of the German Speakers in Eastern Europe during the World Wars period.

349 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 6:51:04pm

re: #346 HappyWarrior

You know, that’s a good question. I don’t know the answer.

Also for “country of origin” is that by the current borders, or the borders when the ancestor supposedly left?

And to complicate things, if it’s the latter do you have to identify the little principality in Italy or Germany that it might have been before things consolidated?

;)

350 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 6:51:05pm

re: #347 HappyWarrior

Ah but don’t we identify Brazilians who are more likely to have Portuguese ancestry than Spanish as Hispanic?

Latina —of Latin Language background?

351 HappyWarrior  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 6:51:48pm

re: #343 GeneJockey

EXACTLY!!!

My sister (Who had recently been Born Again, and was going through the Zeal of the Newly Converted) asked me “But with no God, doesn’t the Universe lose it’s wonder?”

HELL NO! Looking at the wonders of nature, the way that organisms evolve to suit their environments - it’s endlessly fascinating! If somebody just spoke it all into existence 6000 years ago, where’s the wonder in that?

Precisely, I think with an older earth and evolution, it’s as you say endless fascinating. If someone just spoke it all, there really is no wonder. Anyhow going to plug this again since it’s still my favorite Simpsons couch gag but it shows how neat evolution is.

Youtube Video
352 klys  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 6:51:56pm

re: #350 FemNaziBitch

Latina —of Latin Language background?

Nope, because that would rope in the French and the Italians.

353 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 6:52:21pm

re: #352 klys

Nope, because that would rope in the French and the Italians.

and Romanians!

354 HoosierHoops  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 6:52:44pm

re: #338 FemNaziBitch

I don’t understand the mechanics of it (seems like math to me), but I’ve gotten the worst cuts from that rotary cutter. And I have to be especially careful when putting the pizza cutter in the dishwasher, if I reach down to place something next to it, I will get cut, not so with other sharp knives.

Unless the other guy has a gun.. I would prefer to beat the holy shit out of him.. Forget the pizza cutter..Attack! attack! and don’t stop till it’s over..
/ok years ago I had a few anger issues.. :)

355 HappyWarrior  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 6:52:45pm

re: #350 FemNaziBitch

Latina —of Latin Language background?

I dunno. I thought most major Western European languages were derived from the Latin Language: English, French, German, Spanish, Italian, Romanian?

356 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 6:52:57pm

re: #347 HappyWarrior

Ah but don’t we identify Brazilians who are more likely to have Portuguese ancestry than Spanish as Hispanic?

Given the Brazilian settlement patterns that starts breaking down since they were wave-settled from Europe and elsewhere much like the US was. A bit of a melting-pot country; Germans, Italians, Japanese, etc.

357 HappyWarrior  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 6:53:07pm

re: #353 FemNaziBitch

and Romanians!

The one most people forget :).

358 engineer cat  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 6:53:30pm

re: #347 HappyWarrior

Ah but don’t we identify Brazilians who are more likely to have Portuguese ancestry than Spanish as Hispanic?

yah so it seems, this is true. you can also trace ‘hispanic’ to the latin word for the spanish peninsula, which was ‘hispania’, so then the portuguese get included that way

359 klys  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 6:53:32pm

re: #355 HappyWarrior

I dunno. I thought most major Western European languages were derived from the Latin Language: English, French, German, Spanish, Italian, Romanian?

German and English are a different branch of the language tree, from what I recall.

Although English is certainly happy to vacuum up words from anywhere.

360 GeneJockey  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 6:53:46pm

re: #347 HappyWarrior

Ah but don’t we identify Brazilians who are more likely to have Portuguese ancestry than Spanish as Hispanic?

And most Latin Americans are more Native American than Spanish.

361 HappyWarrior  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 6:53:58pm

re: #356 Feline Fearless Leader

Given the Brazilian settlement patterns that starts breaking down since they were wave-settled from Europe and elsewhere much like the US was. A bit of a melting-pot country; Germans, Italians, Japanese, etc.

Yeah, Argentina is similar since it had a lot of immigrants too. One of Joyce’s short stories in Dubliners is about a young woman contemplating moving to Argentina with her boyfriend.

362 HappyWarrior  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 6:55:06pm

re: #360 GeneJockey

And most Latin Americans are more Native American than Spanish.

I think that depends on the country. From what I remember hearing in my history class on the region, the Spanish colonial authorities had a very elaborate way of classifying racial/ethnic background.

363 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 6:55:28pm

And to top it off, the origin of the Spaniel Dog Breeds is unknown, even tho one would think they originated in Hispanola.

364 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 6:55:43pm

re: #357 HappyWarrior

The one most people forget :).

And a bunch of ‘little’ ones—Ladino, Raetian, even old Venetian is more like Spanish than Tuscan Italian.

365 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 6:55:45pm

re: #359 klys

German and English are a different branch of the language tree, from what I recall.

Although English is certainly happy to vacuum up words from anywhere.

Blame the Vikings for that. :p

(Given that “Vikings” settling into northern France became the Normans. And they also settled in northern England and had a foothold in Ireland.)

366 ProBosniaLiberal  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 6:55:51pm

re: #339 HappyWarrior

I can explain the Meditteranean being there easily enough.

Two words:Viking Slaves.

The definite Levantine Arab and Iranian really does stick out though.

Creating a Map of my ancestral history in Empire Total War would now consume most of Northern Europe, and look like Greater Syria plus Iran.

367 engineer cat  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 6:55:51pm

re: #355 HappyWarrior

I dunno. I thought most major Western European languages were derived from the Latin Language: English, French, German, Spanish, Italian, Romanian?

not english or german from that list

see:

indo european language tree

368 Kaessa  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 6:56:07pm

re: #331 ProBosniaLiberal

It does promote, however, a sane form of nationalism for the US, Canada, and a few other places. Because that’s what we are built on.

Also, watching an episode of What the Fuck is Wrong With You.

Apparent’y some guy in one of the stories used a Pizza Cutter as a defensive weapon against a bandit.

How do you use a Pizza Cutter as a weapon. That seems odd.

Ages ago, when I was still a kid, I worked at a pizza place. Our pizza cutters looked like this:

Image: p-slicer-handles-bs.jpg

I could use that as a weapon easily. One of the little rolling kinds? Not so much.

369 HappyWarrior  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 6:56:27pm

re: #367 engineer cat

not english or german from that list

see:

indo european language tree

Ah sorry, thanks.

370 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 6:57:15pm

re: #365 Feline Fearless Leader

Blame the Vikings for that. :p

(Given that “Vikings” settling into northern France became the Normans. And they also settled in northern England and had a foothold in Ireland.)

And Sicily/toe of Italy (Brindisi), and Russia.

371 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 6:57:26pm

re: #362 HappyWarrior

I think that depends on the country. From what I remember hearing in my history class on the region, the Spanish colonial authorities had a very elaborate way of classifying racial/ethnic background.

OMG! Carlos Fuentes went into a very detailed explanation in The Buried Mirror . I had a headache by the time I was finished with the section. I couldn’t imagine living in a culture where one knew this stuff to the point it dictated everyday behavior.

Excellent Book BTW

372 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 6:57:52pm

re: #368 Kaessa

Ages ago, when I was still a kid, I worked at a pizza place. Our pizza cutters looked like this:

Image: p-slicer-handles-bs.jpg

I could use that as a weapon easily. One of the little rolling kinds? Not so much.

Ancestor weapon of the Klingon Bat’leth.

373 HappyWarrior  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 6:58:32pm

re: #366 ProBosniaLiberal

I can explain the Meditteranean being there easily enough.

Two words:Viking Slaves.

The definite Levantine Arab and Iranian really does stick out though.

Creating a Map of my ancestral history in Empire Total War would now consume most of Northern Europe, and look like Greater Syria plus Iran.

Yeah you’re probably right about that but we’ll likely never know is their exact story and stuff. As I said, it’s the human element that gets me interested in these sort of things. Not everyone has a famous forefather but I think we all have ancestors with interesting stories to tell. Hell, I wouldn’t be here if my great grandfather’s first wife hadn’t died of TB in the early 20’s since my grandmother was his daughter via his second wife.

374 engineer cat  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 6:59:27pm

re: #359 klys

Although English is certainly happy to vacuum up words from anywhere.

this is one of its most prominent characteristics

altho english is a germanic language branching off from saxon at about 450 AD, it underwent a massive vocabulary replacement from old french in the centuries after the norman invasion. the basic vocabulary remains germanic, however

of course in recent centuries there has been widespread coinage of words for new things derived from latin and greek roots, such as ‘television’ and ‘automobile’

375 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 7:00:07pm

More about rotary pizza cutters. I think they are so dangerous because they can’t be deflected, they cut whatever surface they come into contact with.

376 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 7:00:40pm

G’night folks. Don’t forget to keep the doors secure to keep the leopards out!

Image: Beware_the_Leopard.jpg

377 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 7:00:45pm

Who and When was it decided that latin was the language of science, because it is a dead language.

378 ProBosniaLiberal  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 7:01:19pm

re: #373 HappyWarrior

Oh, with the background of Mom’s side, there are definitely some interesting stories.

re: #370 Decatur Deb

Did the Normans in Sicily have contact with the ones in Normandy/England.

Also, should note Scotland was heavily effected as well. Ancestors of mine were once the lords of the Shetland Islands. Nordic-Scots.

379 RealityBasedSteve  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 7:01:31pm

re: #376 Feline Fearless Leader

G’night folks. Don’t forget to keep the doors secure to keep the leopards out!

Image: Beware_the_Leopard.jpg

I’m not afraid of leopards, I’ve got a +5 Pizza Cutter.

RBS

380 HappyWarrior  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 7:02:27pm

re: #377 FemNaziBitch

Who and When was it decided that latin was the language of science, because it is a dead language.

I imagine that was because most of the stuff that early medical researchers were reading was Latin only. Guess the same’s with Greek in regards to government and stuff. Just speculation on my part though.

381 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 7:02:45pm

re: #347 HappyWarrior

Ah but don’t we identify Brazilians who are more likely to have Portuguese ancestry than Spanish as Hispanic?

No, and I don’t think we identify European Spaniards as Hispanic either. BICBW

382 ProBosniaLiberal  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 7:03:45pm

re: #374 engineer cat

Spanish is similar, a Latin-based language heavily influenced by Arabic.

383 engineer cat  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 7:04:09pm

re: #377 FemNaziBitch

Who and When was it decided that latin was the language of science, because it is a dead language.

it wasn’t dead yet when it began to be used as the language of science, i guess about 400 years ago or so - it was still the lingua franca of scholars until some time in the 19th century

384 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 7:04:42pm

re: #382 ProBosniaLiberal

Spanish is similar, a Latin-based language heavily influenced by Arabic.

Ah, Al Andalusia!

385 HappyWarrior  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 7:05:06pm

re: #381 Vicious Babushka

No, and I don’t think we identify European Spaniards as Hispanic either. BICBW

I think that’s right.

386 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 7:06:06pm

re: #381 Vicious Babushka

No, and I don’t think we identify European Spaniards as Hispanic either. BICBW

No, we don’t. Strangely, those we consider “hispanic” are really Americans.

387 engineer cat  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 7:07:02pm

re: #382 ProBosniaLiberal

Spanish is similar, a Latin-based language heavily influenced by Arabic.

and even a little by basque

did you know that the spanish word for ‘left’, ‘izquierda’, which in italian is ‘sinestra’ (sp?), from the latin, is from the basque?

388 ProBosniaLiberal  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 7:08:30pm

re: #387 engineer cat

Spanish and English seem to have a history of walking up to languages and shanking them for their words.

English has gotten much more into it, however.

389 Decatur Deb  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 7:08:57pm

re: #378 ProBosniaLiberal

Oh, with the background of Mom’s side, there are definitely some interesting stories.

re: #370 Decatur Deb

Did the Normans in Sicily have contact with the ones in Normandy/England.

Also, should note Scotland was heavily effected as well. Ancestors of mine were once the lords of the Shetland Islands. Nordic-Scots.

Two different waves—early raiders held on to the region for a while. Then the Norman French came in later, as the imperial nobles that ran the area. My teacher from Brindisi was blonde/blue eyed.

Note also that Arab raiders ran up and down the E coast of Italy as far as Ravenna for a century or so.

390 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 7:09:15pm

re: #388 ProBosniaLiberal

Spanish and English seem to have a history of walking up to languages and shanking them for their words.

English has gotten much more into it, however.

But YIDDISH is still the champion of language-shanking!

391 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 7:09:19pm

re: #384 FemNaziBitch

Ah, Al Andalusia!

The Islamic presence in Spain did have a number of other visible legacies, including the famous Rock of Gibraltar. Before the Islamic invasion of 711 AD, the straights between Spain and Morocco were called the Pillars of Hercules. The invasion gave the rock and the straights a new name: Gibraltar is a transmogrification of “Tariq’s Mountain” in Arabic, Tariq being the Muslim general who commanded the invasion of Spain and crushed the Visigoths.

392 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 7:18:16pm

Donald Trump is tweeting fan mail to himself from his sockpuppets and all the spambots that he bought.

393 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 7:22:12pm

re: #373 HappyWarrior

Yeah you’re probably right about that but we’ll likely never know is their exact story and stuff. As I said, it’s the human element that gets me interested in these sort of things. Not everyone has a famous forefather but I think we all have ancestors with interesting stories to tell. Hell, I wouldn’t be here if my great grandfather’s first wife hadn’t died of TB in the early 20’s since my grandmother was his daughter via his second wife.

Actually, you’re descended from Charlemagne. I know this for a fact.

394 engineer cat  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 7:23:32pm

Kaiser Family Foundation. April 18-21, 2013. N=1,002 adults nationwide. Margin of error ± 4.

“As you may know, a health care bill was signed into law in March 2010. As far as you know, which comes closest to describing the current status of the health care law? It is still the law of the land and is being implemented. It has been overturned by the Supreme Court and is no longer law. It has been repealed by Congress and is no longer law.” Options rotated

Still law of the land 59%
Overturned by the Court 7%
Repealed by Congress 12%
Fish 23%

395 klys  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 7:26:52pm

re: #394 engineer cat

Kaiser Family Foundation. April 18-21, 2013. N=1,002 adults nationwide. Margin of error ± 4.

“As you may know, a health care bill was signed into law in March 2010. As far as you know, which comes closest to describing the current status of the health care law? It is still the law of the land and is being implemented. It has been overturned by the Supreme Court and is no longer law. It has been repealed by Congress and is no longer law.” Options rotated

Still law of the land 59%
Overturned by the Court 7%
Repealed by Congress 12%
Fish 23%

So we have established that 23% of households have sentient cats who answer the phone.

396 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 7:32:01pm

re: #395 klys

So we have established that in 23% of households such poll questions reflect the opinions of the home’s Cat Overlord(s).

Improved (kidding).

397 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 7:33:45pm

The Gospel of Alex Jones

Even if you normally don’t like National Review, you’ll like Betsy Woodruff’s excellent takedown of one of American’s craziest conspiracists.

398 RealityBasedSteve  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 7:36:25pm

re: #393 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Actually, you’re descended from Charlemagne. I know this for a fact.

Would that make him Kid Charlemagne?

Youtube Video

and can he rock a keytar?

RBS

399 klys  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 7:36:48pm

And hooray, first round of paper revisions passed on to the coauthor for discussion tomorrow (along with some poking at the figure revisions that the reviewers want). Now I just have to muck out the catbox and I am done for the evening.

400 GeneJockey  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 7:56:56pm

re: #399 klys

Now I just have to muck out the catbox and I am done for the evening.

Hell of a way to end a day.

401 klys  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 7:57:37pm

re: #400 GeneJockey

Hell of a way to end a day.

I prefer to end the day that way than start it that way.

402 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 8:02:42pm

re: #387 engineer cat

and even a little by basque

did you know that the spanish word for ‘left’, ‘izquierda’, which in italian is ‘sinestra’ (sp?), from the latin, is from the basque?

SINISTER!

403 HappyWarrior  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 8:05:11pm

re: #393 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Actually, you’re descended from Charlemagne. I know this for a fact.

Ah true point. Just like many are also descendants of Genghis Khan.

404 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 8:08:00pm

re: #403 HappyWarrior

Ah true point. Just like many are also descendants of Genghis Khan.

I’m figuring I am a descendent of Boudica.

405 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 8:10:18pm

Well, I just completed the online Mandated Reporter program for my Volunteering Class. I can now be prosecuted in the State of Illinois for knowingly NOT reporting suspected child abuse.

406 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 8:14:14pm

re: #341 HappyWarrior

If I didn’t know any better, I’d think he was Chris Christie (D) the way they’ve come to despise him.

He’ll most likely go with (I) but I could see him being the most conservative (and make no mistake, he is a real right-winger) of the blue dogs if that were necessary to do what he thought best for his state.

I have essentially no agreement with what he wants, but at least he still believes in the old system of checks, balances & compromises and reminds me, in his better moments, of Lee Sherman Dreyfus, the last honorable Republican governor of Wisconsin.

407 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 8:16:24pm

In 88% of homes in which children are physically abused, pets are also abused. As a result, Illinois and other states now have cross reporting between animal control agencies, law enforcement and child protection agencies.

Government can be a good thing.

408 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 8:17:19pm

re: #404 FemNaziBitch

I’m figuring I am a descendent of Boudica.

Not sure how good that is. She lost her war and lost its decisive battle badly. For all the courage she and her followers showed, Her rebellion ended with a display of the superiority of the Roman Legion over native Briton military practices, and it was crushing enough that Roman faced no further revolts in what is now England for half a century.

409 GeneJockey  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 8:19:07pm

re: #408 Dark_Falcon

Yeah, but what have the Romans ever done for us?

410 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 8:22:21pm

I think I have it figured out. WE as a country don’t seem to want other country’s people’s to really like us or even respect us. We (and I use that term loosely—although because of our form of government, we are all responsible) seem to want them to be AFRAID, VERY AFRAID of us.

Youtube Video

I’ve had it wrong along. We don’t follow the 2nd Testament, or really even the first. It’s about power and control, fed by insecurity and fear.

411 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 8:23:12pm

re: #408 Dark_Falcon

Not sure how good that is. She lost her war and lost its decisive battle badly. For all the courage she and her followers showed, Her rebellion ended with a display of the superiority of the Roman Legion over native Briton military practices, and it was crushing enough that Roman faced no further revolts in what is now England for half a century.

She did the best with what she had.

412 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 8:23:46pm

re: #409 GeneJockey

Yeah, but what have the Romans ever done for us?

Well, there is designing the arch and a number of other concepts of math and architecture still in use today, a system of roadways, the idea of a republican form of government (as opposed to the Greek style of direct democracy that was impractical above the level of the polis). That should do for starters. ;)

413 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 8:25:29pm

re: #408 Dark_Falcon

Not sure how good that is. She lost her war and lost its decisive battle badly. For all the courage she and her followers showed, Her rebellion ended with a display of the superiority of the Roman Legion over native Briton military practices, and it was crushing enough that Roman faced no further revolts in what is now England for half a century.

True, till the 9th got mauled & sent back to what is present day Nimijin NL and Hadiran threw up his namesake wall. The Celt, Picts & Germanics ate legions on a semi-regular basis, far more than anywhere else.

Rome only held the cities & when they pulled the Legions, the desperate local aristocrats called on the saxons and it went legendary after that.

414 GeneJockey  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 8:26:59pm

re: #412 Dark_Falcon

Youtube Video
415 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 8:27:17pm

re: #387 engineer cat

and even a little by basque

did you know that the spanish word for ‘left’, ‘izquierda’, which in italian is ‘sinestra’ (sp?), from the latin, is from the basque?

Also “zorro” (fox).

416 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 8:28:42pm

re: #411 FemNaziBitch

She did the best with what she had.

I got interrupted and didn’t get to finish my thought.

She did the best with what she had and kicked fuckin’ Roman ass. Just think what she could do today with the tools now available?

Women are Watching.

417 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 8:30:38pm

re: #411 FemNaziBitch

She did the best with what she had.

True but that also provides an important lesson: The enemy isn’t going to give up because you’re doing your best, in fact it will make a quality foe fight you that much harder. The Britons fought the Romans with everything they had, but the legions had evolved tactics to devastate Celtic armies, and the Roman commander Gaius Suetonius Paulinus chose to make his stand at a place where the terrain forced the Britons into a funnel, such that their advantage in numbers was nullified (much like Thermopylae, in fact).

418 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 8:32:36pm

re: #413 William Barnett-Lewis

True, till the 9th got mauled & sent back to what is present day Nimijin NL and Hadiran threw up his namesake wall. The Celt, Picts & Germanics ate legions on a semi-regular basis, far more than anywhere else.

Rome only held the cities & when they pulled the Legions, the desperate local aristocrats called on the saxons and it went legendary after that.

Rome did largely pacify what is now England, it was Scotland they were unable to claim, hence the wall. As long as the wall was manned, it was actually quite effective.

419 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 8:38:47pm

re: #418 Dark_Falcon

Rome did largely pacify what is now England, it was Scotland they were unable to claim, hence the wall. As long as the wall was manned, it was actually quite effective.

Kept under control perhaps. As for the wall, it’s manning requirements were quite high, especially since - as far as any roman was concerned - you were literally at the far ass end of the world.

Which was the worst punnishment posting? I’d bet a mention of posting to the Wall would have gotten a response ala Col. Klink to a threat of the “Eastern Front” ;)

420 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 8:43:30pm

re: #419 William Barnett-Lewis

Kept under control perhaps. As for the wall, it’s manning requirements were quite high, especially since - as far as any roman was concerned - you were literally at the far ass end of the world.

Which was the worst punnishment posting? I’d bet a mention of posting to the Wall would have gotten a response ala Col. Klink to a threat of the “Eastern Front” ;)

Possibly, although posting to Hadrian’s Wall was actually a good bit more survivable. Fierce as the Celts and Pics of Scotland were, they never produced a Marshal Zhukov.

421 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 8:47:46pm

re: #420 Dark_Falcon

Possibly, although posting to Hadrian’s Wall was actually a good bit more survivable. Fierce as the Celts and Pics of Scotland were, they never produced a Marshal Zhukov.

True, but imagine the climate up there to someone born in Rome… :eek:

422 jamesfirecat  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 8:57:10pm

re: #376 Feline Fearless Leader

G’night folks. Don’t forget to keep the doors secure to keep the leopards out!

Image: Beware_the_Leopard.jpg

Someone must be planning on building a bypass…

423 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 9:18:24pm

More mad Science…

Things chemists won’t work with.

424 prairiefire  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 9:57:36pm

re: #412 Dark_Falcon

Sewers! Thermal heating! Toilets!


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