Feds Finds Ricin Traces at Mississippi Suspect’s Dojo

Dumbass bought castor beans on Ebay
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More news tonight about the Mississippi man arrested in the ricin letter case: Feds Finds Ricin Traces at Miss. Suspect’s Dojo.

A dust mask allegedly discarded by the man accused of sending ricin-laced letters to President Obama and Sen. Roger Wicker (R-Miss.) tested positive for the poison, according to a court document made public on Tuesday.

After James Everett Dutschke stopped by his former martial arts school in Mississippi last week, a government surveillance team observed him throw a box of latex gloves, the packaging for a coffee grinder, and a dust mask into a public garbage bin, according to an affidavit given by an FBI special agent.

The mask later tested positive for ricin, as did a liquid sample taken from the drain in the martial arts dojo’s sink, two swabs taken from inside the school, and items that had been vacuumed from the floor of the dojo, according to the affidavit.

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Last week, federal agents allegedly got records that showed Dutschke used a Paypal account to make two purchases of castor beans through Ebay’s website late last year, according to the affidavit.

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239 comments
1 blueraven  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 8:40:46pm

Damn, he left more crumbs than Hansel and Gretel.

2 jaunte  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 8:43:40pm
Dutschke used a Paypal account to make two purchases of castor beans through Ebay’s website late last year, according to the affidavit.

“I have a delivery here for Mr. Dumass!”

3 Four More Tears  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 8:47:47pm

Those beans could have been for anything really…

4 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 8:49:41pm

re: #3 Four More Tears

Those beans could have been for anything really…

Special coffee.

5 blueraven  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 8:51:39pm

re: #3 Four More Tears

Those beans could have been for anything really…

He bought them for constipation probably.

6 jaunte  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 8:55:12pm
“…The affidavit had been sealed since it was filed Friday in U.S. District Court in Oxford. It also said that on evening of Dec. 31, 2012, someone using his “computer downloaded a publication, Standard Operating Procedure for Ricin, which describes safe handling and storage methods for ricin, and approximately two hours later, Immunochromotography Detection of Ricin in Environmental and Biological Samples, which describes a method for detecting ricin.”

An expert at the National Bioforensics Analysis Center in Fort Detrick, Md., said the extraction process employed in this case appears to have been more involved than “merely grinding castor beans,” the affidavit said.

A witness, who is not named in the document, told investigators that Dutschke once said years ago that he knows how to make poison that could be sent to elected officials and “whoever opened these envelopes containing the poison would die.”
nbcbayarea.com

7 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 9:13:50pm

have a great evening all!

8 blueraven  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 9:13:53pm

re: #6 jaunte

Good Lord, he was deadly serious. Maybe not very competent, but serious and freakin nuts!

9 calochortus  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 9:18:29pm

And this is the guy who is actually a Mensa member?

10 okonkolo  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 9:24:52pm

Mensa took a hit with this whole caper.

11 dragonath  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 9:26:40pm

There’s got to be a totally plausible explanation for the castor beans. Maybe he’s the Constipated Ninja Master or something.

12 dragonath  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 9:27:05pm

And now for his next attack…!

13 blueraven  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 9:32:03pm

I wonder if the RW will go all…He is a Republican! like they did with the other guy as a Democrat. Oh I’m sure they will, right? /

14 calochortus  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 9:33:36pm

re: #13 blueraven

Just thinking much the same. Apparently he ran for state legislator or something as a Republican, but FR, et. al. are not all over this… Imagine my surprise.

15 Kragar  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 9:34:27pm

re: #10 okonkolo

Mensa took a hit with this whole caper.

Proving once again intelligence doesn’t mean you’re smart.

16 prairiefire  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 9:39:28pm

SpongeBob ~

Youtube Video
17 AlexRogan  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 9:46:40pm

What a moran.

Good thing he was so inept, because he very well could have succeeded in his purported frame-up job on Curtis.

18 calochortus  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 9:48:57pm

re: #17 AlexRogan

Very true.

And on that thought, good night all. Hasta mañana.

19 bratwurst  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 10:18:05pm

The Daily Mail is running a “BOMBSHELL” (their word) story, claiming the Saudis warned the US in writing about the deceased Boston bomber brother last year.

Here is the problem (aside from the fact it is in one of the world’s least reliable news sources, of course): the byline contains the name of the man reputed to be behind the Senator Menendez prostitute scandal hoax (ex-Daily Caller “Executive Editor” David Martosko) AND something called “THE AMERICAN MEDIA INSTITUTE”. Now I ask you…when have you EVER seen an “institute” receive a byline credit in the world of legitimate journalism? This “institute” certainly appears to be nothing but a pseudonym for Richard Miniter, author of one of the many pre-election anti-Obama tomes.

I am going to bed now. My prediction is that by the time I get up, this story will be mostly or completely debunked, but not before it is paged here and breathlessly pointed to as suitable evidence for Obama’s impeachment in the wingnutosphere.

20 Gus  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 10:26:15pm

.38 Special - Hold on Loosely

Youtube Video
21 dragonath  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 10:37:33pm

Russia charging NASA $70 million per rocket seat

Pentagon Paying China To Carry Data

Sometimes, subcontracting isn’t ideal.

22 Gus  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 10:47:07pm

Lynyrd Skynyrd - T For Texas

Youtube Video
23 engineer cat  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 10:59:10pm

ricin dojo

i’m waiting for the movie version by kurusawa

25 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 11:20:21pm

Regarding civil liberties, what exactly is the difference between Bush and Obama again?

The task force is pushing for legislation that would penalize companies like Google, Facebook and Skype that fail to comply with court orders for wiretapping, according to the Washington Post. The cost of non-complying would be an escalating series of fines, starting at tens of thousands of dollars. Fines that remained unpaid after 90 days would double daily.

Unlike telecommunications companies that are required under the 1994 Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act (CALEA) to have systems that are wiretap-enabled, some internet communication methods — such as social networking sites and online gaming sites — aren’t easily wiretapped and are not required to enable the capability under CALEA. Companies that argue that they don’t have the means to enable wiretapping have avoided complying with court orders seeking real-time surveillance, the paper notes. The legislation is intended to force these companies into finding technology solutions that would enable real-time surveillance.

Microsoft reportedly applied for a patent in 2009 for a technology called Legal Intercept that would have the ability to secretly monitor, intercept and record Skype calls. Microsoft filed for the patent before it bought Skype in 2011.

The push for legislation to compel these companies to cooperate with wiretapping orders began in 2010 after Google initiated end-to-end encryption for Gmail and text messages, which made it more difficult for the FBI to intercept e-mail under a court order, the Post notes.

26 Gus  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 11:20:55pm

re: #23 engineer cat

ricin dojo

i’m waiting for the movie version by kurusawa

We should probably ban Ricin. I’m peeing in my pants here from fear.

27 Gus  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 11:25:08pm

Music to listen too while freaking out, about something. Yawn.

John McLaughlin & The 4th Dimension Leverkusener Jazztage 2012 / Full Concert - YouTube

Youtube Video
28 Gus  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 11:28:43pm

Someone call mommy.

29 Gus  Tue, Apr 30, 2013 11:34:04pm

It’s all good. I should apply for that Scottish welfare.

30 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Wed, May 1, 2013 3:56:16am

For those that haven’t seen it before, the awesome British ‘quiz’ show, QI:

Youtube Video
31 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Wed, May 1, 2013 4:01:20am

And in angry-making news, a woman in El Salvador who has lupus and upcoming renal failure is being prevented from having an abortion, even though a pregnancy may kill her or at the least cause her long-term physical harm.

rhrealitycheck.org

32 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 1, 2013 4:22:48am

What a Doofus

33 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 1, 2013 4:23:37am

In honor of May Day, here is the History of the (former) USSR to the tune of Tetris:

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34 Decatur Deb  Wed, May 1, 2013 4:29:33am

re: #33 Vicious Babushka

In honor of May Day, here is the History of the (former) USSR to the tune of Tetris:

[Embedded content]

Bach goes Wobbly

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35 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 1, 2013 4:43:12am

This BOMBSHELL dropped on Wingnutistan this morning:

36 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 1, 2013 4:45:51am

The BOMBSHELL comes from the Daily Fail, who got it from an “unnamed Saudi official.”

OK.

37 Decatur Deb  Wed, May 1, 2013 4:47:19am

re: #36 Vicious Babushka

The BOMBSHELL comes from the Daily Fail, who got it from an “unnamed Saudi official.”

OK.

CONFIRMED, then.

38 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 1, 2013 4:51:37am

re: #19 bratwurst

The Daily Mail is running a “BOMBSHELL” (their word) story, claiming the Saudis warned the US in writing about the deceased Boston bomber brother last year.

Here is the problem (aside from the fact it is in one of the world’s least reliable news sources, of course): the byline contains the name of the man reputed to be behind the Senator Menendez prostitute scandal hoax (ex-Daily Caller “Executive Editor” David Martosko) AND something called “THE AMERICAN MEDIA INSTITUTE”. Now I ask you…when have you EVER seen an “institute” receive a byline credit in the world of legitimate journalism? This “institute” certainly appears to be nothing but a pseudonym for Richard Miniter, author of one of the many pre-election anti-Obama tomes.

I am going to bed now. My prediction is that by the time I get up, this story will be mostly or completely debunked, but not before it is paged here and breathlessly pointed to as suitable evidence for Obama’s impeachment in the wingnutosphere.

Well, it has little spider legs in Wingnutistan.

39 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 1, 2013 4:59:42am

15 year olds can buy Tylenol. Maybe just not Tylenol 3’s.

40 aagcobb  Wed, May 1, 2013 5:05:14am

re: #39 Vicious Babushka

15 year olds can buy Tylenol. Maybe just not Tylenol 3’s.

Because a 15 year old too immature to purchase Plan B for herself is obviously ready for pregnancy and motherhood./

41 Joanne  Wed, May 1, 2013 5:24:59am

Darn. I was really hoping that the Elvis impersonator (Curtis) was really the culprit and that he framed the Wayne Newton impersonator (Dutschke), making it look like Wayne Newton was actually framing Elvis.

42 darthstar  Wed, May 1, 2013 5:37:52am

Ricin, Mississippi, Dojo. Never thought I’d see those three words together. America, fuck yeah!

43 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 1, 2013 5:38:40am

re: #42 darthstar

Ricin, Mississippi, Dojo. Never thought I’d see those three words together. America, fuck yeah!

And Mensa.

Who knew there were not just one, but TWO Mensa members in Mississippi!

44 Decatur Deb  Wed, May 1, 2013 5:41:16am

re: #40 aagcobb

Because a 15 year old too immature to purchase Plan B for herself is obviously ready for pregnancy and motherhood./

On the other hand—a 14 yr old who finds herself pregnant is probably the victim of a continuing series of crimes. She ought not to be trying to handle that alone or with a few 14 yr old friends. This whole issue seems like judges practicing medicine and scientists practicing law.

45 Decatur Deb  Wed, May 1, 2013 5:41:44am

re: #43 Vicious Babushka

And Mensa.

Who knew there were not just one, but TWO Mensa members in Mississippi!

One was fake.

46 darthstar  Wed, May 1, 2013 5:41:51am

He’s fucked.

The FBI said its agents also interviewed a witness who said Dutschke had said years ago he could manufacture a deadly “poison” he could place in envelopes and send to elected officials.

The document states Dutschke once had a civil case dismissed by Holland and lost a state legislative race to her son in 2007.

The document also revealed Dutschke was arrested in January on state charges, and his laptop computer and several flash drives were seized.

A search of them showed someone had downloaded a publication, “Standard Operating Procedure for Ricin.”

Read more: upi.com

47 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Wed, May 1, 2013 5:44:05am

re: #44 Decatur Deb

On the other hand—a 14 yr old who finds herself pregnant is probably the victim of a continuing series of crimes.

I don’t think ‘probably’. A lot of 14 year olds have sex with other kids their age.

Kids these days.

48 Decatur Deb  Wed, May 1, 2013 5:46:36am

re: #47 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

I don’t think ‘probably’. A lot of 14 year olds have sex with other kids their age.

Kids these days.

That’s why I said ‘probably’. The various states’ tolerance under Romeo and Juliette laws is pretty narrow. Self-medication can become a way of pressing Reset and going back into an abusive situation.

49 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Wed, May 1, 2013 5:48:23am

re: #48 Decatur Deb

That’s why I said ‘probably’. The various states’ tolerance under Romeo and Juliette laws is pretty narrow. Self-medication can become a way of pressing Reset and going back into an abusive situation.

I’m not sure what you’re suggesting as an alternative— that cases of pregnant 14 year old girls be investigated by law enforcement?

50 Decatur Deb  Wed, May 1, 2013 5:51:43am

re: #49 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

I’m not sure what you’re suggesting as an alternative— that cases of pregnant 14 year old girls be investigated by law enforcement?

Suggesting the kid has a right to intervention by some uninvolved adult—doctor, school, LE, social worker. So pretty much yes, any pregnant 14 yr old should be investigated.

51 lawhawk  Wed, May 1, 2013 5:53:42am

re: #19 bratwurst

Fox News, NYPost and other News Corp outlets are breathlessly reporting this, and the inevitable response is American media simply doesn’t care and that we’re relying on the British media to get scoops about US national security stories.

I’m skeptical about the reporting and the provenance. There’s enough innuendo to suggest something was reported by the Saudis and that warnings may have been missed. However, there’s also indications within the report itself that the Saudis never actually issued warnings to the US about the brothers.

But the fact that there’s questions is enough to keep this issue going for the rest of Obama’s term in office. And that would be sufficient for the right wingers who will now use this as a club against Obama, regardless.

52 lawhawk  Wed, May 1, 2013 5:54:41am
53 lawhawk  Wed, May 1, 2013 5:57:42am

re: #23 engineer cat

ricin dojo

i’m waiting for the movie version by kurusawa

Roshomon ricin. Subplot A follows Elvis impersonator from time he begins learning what it means to be an impersonator at a dojo to the arrest and frame job. Subplot B follows Newton impersonator from time he opens dojo to finding such a level of hate for someone who impersonates someone more famous than the guy he impersonates that he has to frame him for attempting to assassinate political officials and the President.

I sense Lifetime movie possibilities?

Or maybe a new TLC reality program? Impersonators. The life behind the life.

54 darthstar  Wed, May 1, 2013 5:58:16am

re: #52 lawhawk

Wow, I didn’t get a BB gun until I was seven or eight. Who the fuck gives a five year old a fire-arm?

55 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Wed, May 1, 2013 5:58:21am

re: #50 Decatur Deb

Suggesting the kid has a right to intervention by some uninvolved adult—doctor, school, LE, social worker. So pretty much yes, any pregnant 14 yr old should be investigated.

And what if— and I’m afraid that my (anecdotal) experience working with teens says that this is going to be the case in 95% of cases— the response is “Not tellin’”? Without the threat of a sanction, most teens aren’t going to trust some random adult enough to tell. Most especially, I’m afraid, the teens getting abused.

It’s a tricky subject in many ways. The girl goes to the pharmacist to get the medication. What happens then? Is she told she’ll have to give an ID in order to get the medication? Is she told she’ll need to speak to someone? How can we intervene without creating a barrier to the girl getting herself unpregnant?

Or, to bastardize something I heard once “We wish to help, but how?”

56 kirkspencer  Wed, May 1, 2013 5:59:20am

re: #51 lawhawk

Fox News, NYPost and other News Corp outlets are breathlessly reporting this, and the inevitable response is American media simply doesn’t care and that we’re relying on the British media to get scoops about US national security stories.

I’m skeptical about the reporting and the provenance. There’s enough innuendo to suggest something was reported by the Saudis and that warnings may have been missed. However, there’s also indications within the report itself that the Saudis never actually issued warnings to the US about the brothers.

But the fact that there’s questions is enough to keep this issue going for the rest of Obama’s term in office. And that would be sufficient for the right wingers who will now use this as a club against Obama, regardless.

of course it’ll be enough to use it. Benghazi and Birther and F&F are still going, after all.

The thing is that unless something more solid develops - like an official Saudi statement confirming the letter - it’s just the same idiots adding another brick to their fantasy.

57 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 1, 2013 6:00:57am

Yeah Donald, like everybody has extra cash just lying around to buy a bunch of houses, and RAISE THE PRICE OF HOUSING for people who actually, you know, need a HOUSE TO LIVE IN.

DERP.

58 Mattand  Wed, May 1, 2013 6:01:21am

Regarding the ricin incident: Didn’t Jim Hoft, or someone of that mental caliber, run around gleefully pointing out the original suspect was a Democrat or voted that way?

Nah, I didn’t think they’d own up to it, either.

59 darthstar  Wed, May 1, 2013 6:02:35am

re: #53 lawhawk

Is there a link to the Wayne Newton impersonator claim? If that’s true, it’s totally fucking awesome. Elvis impersonators are a dime a dozen…but Wayne Newton? That’s fucking awesome!

60 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 1, 2013 6:03:17am

re: #58 Mattand

Regarding the ricin incident: Didn’t Jim Hoft, or someone of that mental caliber, run around gleefully pointing out the original suspect was a Democrat or voted that way?

Nah, I didn’t think they’d own up to it, either.

Yeah, they found a picture on the guy’s Facebook page of him pointing and laughing at a “CHRISTIAN & DEMOCRAT” bumper sticker on a late-model Lexus. Obviously someone else’s car but the wingnut swarm all insisted that it was his own car.

61 Decatur Deb  Wed, May 1, 2013 6:04:18am

re: #55 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

And what if— and I’m afraid that my (anecdotal) experience working with teens says that this is going to be the case in 95% of cases— the response is “Not tellin’”? Without the threat of a sanction, most teens aren’t going to trust some random adult enough to tell. Most especially, I’m afraid, the teens getting abused.

It’s a tricky subject in many ways. The girl goes to the pharmacist to get the medication. What happens then? Is she told she’ll have to give an ID in order to get the medication? Is she told she’ll need to speak to someone? How can we intervene without creating a barrier to the girl getting herself unpregnant?

Or, to bastardize something I heard once “We wish to help, but how?”

Not suggesting we hold her medical treatment hostage, but its value as a tripwire should trigger action. She would be pretty much the definition of a ‘minor in need of supervision’, unless we accept 14 yr old mothers as a good thing. The parents need a visit, especially if the kid is being raped at home.

62 lawhawk  Wed, May 1, 2013 6:05:03am

re: #59 darthstar

Indeed it is.

The working theory, then, is that Dutschke tried to frame Curtis. We outlined some possible motives last week, involving disputes over Mensa memberships and rivalries centered on their competing musical impersonation businesses. Oh, did we not mention that Dutschke is a Wayne Newton impersonator? Dutschke is a Wayne Newton impersonator.

63 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 1, 2013 6:06:30am

What is this… I don’t even…

64 Joanne  Wed, May 1, 2013 6:08:07am

re: #59 darthstar

Is there a link to the Wayne Newton impersonator claim? If that’s true, it’s totally fucking awesome. Elvis impersonators are a dime a dozen…but Wayne Newton? That’s fucking awesome!

FWIW and YMMV

nydailynews.com

65 darthstar  Wed, May 1, 2013 6:11:11am

You know…I was thinking I need to get my hair cut, but when I looked in the mirror yesterday, I noticed I had a striking resemblance to George Jones…but I really don’t want to live in Mississippi.

66 Decatur Deb  Wed, May 1, 2013 6:12:24am

re: #63 Vicious Babushka

What is this… I don’t even…

There are pieces missing from his chess set.

67 darthstar  Wed, May 1, 2013 6:12:26am

re: #65 darthstar

You know…I was thinking I need to get my hair cut, but when I looked in the mirror yesterday, I noticed I had a striking resemblance to George Jones…but I really don’t want to live in Mississippi.

Yeah, my hair is a bit longer than this right now…and I don’t have this shirt…yet.

Image: 59442-june-1977-bb0a6.jpg

68 darthstar  Wed, May 1, 2013 6:14:28am

Okay…time to run the dogs. Laterz.

69 lawhawk  Wed, May 1, 2013 6:15:48am

re: #66 Decatur Deb

The elevator doesn’t go to the top floor.
He’s a few pancakes short of a short stack.
He’s as dumb as a bag of hammers.
He’s a few quarts low.

70 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, May 1, 2013 6:19:06am
71 Eventual Carrion  Wed, May 1, 2013 6:21:18am

re: #51 lawhawk

Fox News, NYPost and other News Corp outlets are breathlessly reporting this, and the inevitable response is American media simply doesn’t care and that we’re relying on the British media to get scoops about US national security stories.

I’m skeptical about the reporting and the provenance. There’s enough innuendo to suggest something was reported by the Saudis and that warnings may have been missed. However, there’s also indications within the report itself that the Saudis never actually issued warnings to the US about the brothers.

But the fact that there’s questions is enough to keep this issue going for the rest of Obama’s term in office. And that would be sufficient for the right wingers who will now use this as a club against Obama, regardless.

BIN LADEN DETERMINED TO STRIKE IN UNITED STATES.
- Presidential briefing Aug. 6, 2001

72 aagcobb  Wed, May 1, 2013 6:34:29am

re: #50 Decatur Deb

Suggesting the kid has a right to intervention by some uninvolved adult—doctor, school, LE, social worker. So pretty much yes, any pregnant 14 yr old should be investigated.

I’m sorry, I don’t think the solution to child sexual abuse is pregnant 14 year olds.

73 aagcobb  Wed, May 1, 2013 6:37:05am

re: #52 lawhawk

At least she died with the freedom purchased by her brother’s gun.///

74 aagcobb  Wed, May 1, 2013 6:37:53am

re: #53 lawhawk

Roshomon ricin. Subplot A follows Elvis impersonator from time he begins learning what it means to be an impersonator at a dojo to the arrest and frame job. Subplot B follows Newton impersonator from time he opens dojo to finding such a level of hate for someone who impersonates someone more famous than the guy he impersonates that he has to frame him for attempting to assassinate political officials and the President.

I sense Lifetime movie possibilities?

Or maybe a new TLC reality program? Impersonators. The life behind the life.

This could be a great Coen Brothers movie.

75 Bulworth  Wed, May 1, 2013 6:38:43am

re: #39 Vicious Babushka

15 year olds can buy Tylenol. Maybe just not Tylenol 3’s.

And kill babies!!111!!

76 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 1, 2013 6:39:44am

WTF

77 Decatur Deb  Wed, May 1, 2013 6:40:52am

re: #72 aagcobb

I’m sorry, I don’t think the solution to child sexual abuse is pregnant 14 year olds.

Nor do I, but this is messy. Do you give her a break on a six-pack for next time, or so she can share them with her little sister? The answer is better sex ed, including the intense education of LE investigators. At the very least, if it is determined that this is innocent kid-on-kid, she is a candidate for some very intense contraception instruction. OTC makes that less likely.

78 aagcobb  Wed, May 1, 2013 6:42:20am

re: #77 Decatur Deb

Nor do I, but this is messy. Do you give her a break on a six-pack for next time, or so she can share them with her little sister? The answer is better sex ed, including the intense education of LE investigators. At the very least, if it is determined that this is innocent kid-on-kid, she is a candidate for some very intense contraception instruction. OTC makes that less likely.

But it makes it more likely she won’t get pregnant. Obviously its not optimal for a 14 year old to be having sex, but there has to be a better way to deal with this than making her get pregnant.

79 Decatur Deb  Wed, May 1, 2013 6:44:03am

re: #78 aagcobb

But it makes it more likely she won’t get pregnant. Obviously its not optimal for a 14 year old to be having sex, but there has to be a better way to deal with this than making her get pregnant.

I’m not making her get pregnant—I’m making her get medical and community help. Otherwise she and those around her are on their own.

80 aagcobb  Wed, May 1, 2013 6:46:27am

re: #79 Decatur Deb

I’m not making her get pregnant—I’m making her get medical and community help. Otherwise she and those around her are on their own.

Forcing her to jump through hoops before she can get Plan B increases the likelihood of a pregnancy.

81 Decatur Deb  Wed, May 1, 2013 6:49:44am

re: #80 aagcobb

Forcing her to jump through hoops before she can get Plan B increases the likelihood of a pregnancy.

Yes it does, but it does not end her chances of termination. Against that you must balance the community’s valid interest in preventing her abuse and that of other children.

82 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Wed, May 1, 2013 6:57:31am

re: #61 Decatur Deb

Not suggesting we hold her medical treatment hostage, but its value as a tripwire should trigger action. She would be pretty much the definition of a ‘minor in need of supervision’, unless we accept 14 yr old mothers as a good thing. The parents need a visit, especially if the kid is being raped at home.

I’m sorry, but again, how do you go about gaining her identity? Do you force her to reveal it to the pharmacist? And a visit to the parents is very unlikely to produce a conclusive result as to whether she’s being raped at home, but it will definitely produce the result of telling them that their 14 year old is having sex, which can put her in danger of death (especially if she is being raped at home) or being kicked out of the house, or a host of other negative consequences. If the parents are already uninformed, then the kid has chosen not to tell them. And they may have good reasons for not doing so.

83 Targetpractice  Wed, May 1, 2013 6:57:51am

re: #81 Decatur Deb

Yes it does, but it does not end her chances of termination. Against that you must balance the community’s valid interest in preventing her abuse and that of other children.

The community approaching every girl engaging in sexual activity as a potential abuse victim is not a healthy means of raising children.

84 aagcobb  Wed, May 1, 2013 7:02:55am

re: #81 Decatur Deb

Yes it does, but it does not end her chances of termination. Against that you must balance the community’s valid interest in preventing her abuse and that of other children.

But you have to keep in mind that across much of the United States it is becoming increasingly difficult for any low income woman, much less a 14 year old, to get an abortion. There will very soon be states which do not have a single abortion clinic, which means a pregnant 14 year old will in a few months become a 14 or 15 year old mother.

85 Decatur Deb  Wed, May 1, 2013 7:03:26am

re: #83 Targetpractice

The community approaching every girl engaging in sexual activity as a potential abuse victim is not a healthy means of raising children.

Then we have a lot of age-of-consent laws to change. It’s pretty hard not to see a 14 yr old needing emergency contraception as amber flag. It tells you something is not working in the home, school, or community.

Has anyone got a statistical grasp on how many cases of underage need will occur? There are a lot of constraints that would keep kids from getting to that fairly narrow window.

86 Decatur Deb  Wed, May 1, 2013 7:04:13am

re: #84 aagcobb

But you have to keep in mind that across much of the United States it is becoming increasingly difficult for any low income woman, much less a 14 year old, to get an abortion. There will very soon be states which do not have a single abortion clinic, which means a pregnant 14 year old will in a few months become a 14 or 15 year old mother.

Different problem, and you and I would likely be on the same side of it.

87 Targetpractice  Wed, May 1, 2013 7:07:49am

re: #85 Decatur Deb

Then we have a lot of age-of-consent laws to change. It’s pretty hard not to see a 14 yr old needing emergency contraception as amber flag. It tells you something is not working in the home, school, or community.

Has anyone got a statistical grasp on how many cases of underage need will occur? There are a lot of constraints that would keep kids from getting to that fairly narrow window.

It tells me that not everybody becomes sexually active at 18. And that pushing that on teenagers is one step above abstinence-only.

88 Slap  Wed, May 1, 2013 7:08:27am

re: #69 lawhawk

The wheel’s turning, but the hamster’s dead.

89 EmmaAnne  Wed, May 1, 2013 7:08:46am

re: #81 Decatur Deb

Yes it does, but it does not end her chances of termination. Against that you must balance the community’s valid interest in preventing her abuse and that of other children.

Plan B does not terminate a pregnancy. It prevents it from occurring. You suggesting forcing the teen to have an abortion rather than preventing the pregnancy. Just to be clear.

90 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Wed, May 1, 2013 7:10:02am

re: #85 Decatur Deb

Then we have a lot of age-of-consent laws to change. It’s pretty hard not to see a 14 yr old needing emergency contraception as amber flag. It tells you something is not working in the home, school, or community.

Absolutely, at the very least the 14 year old should be using contraception. But the problem is how to get from point A— 14 year old having risky sex that leads to a pregnancy— to point B— 14 year old either not having sex or, if they do, practicing safe sex.

I do not think we get there by, when a kid gets pregnant, forcing some sort of intervention. I would love to have, say, a court-appointed child advocate (which I hope to be soon) swoop in and take the kid’s side, but it’s both practically impossible and, again, without coercion there’s no way to get a kid actually to accept the help.

I think that, as in many cases, the problem has to be solved before it gets to that point.

91 Decatur Deb  Wed, May 1, 2013 7:10:25am

re: #82 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

I’m sorry, but again, how do you go about gaining her identity? Do you force her to reveal it to the pharmacist? And a visit to the parents is very unlikely to produce a conclusive result as to whether she’s being raped at home, but it will definitely produce the result of telling them that their 14 year old is having sex, which can put her in danger of death (especially if she is being raped at home) or being kicked out of the house, or a host of other negative consequences. If the parents are already uninformed, then the kid has chosen not to tell them. And they may have good reasons for not doing so.

Falling behind…

Don’t know—said it is messy. Her attention, if not her identity, needs to be captured somewhere. Emergency contraception is just that—an emergency. If she isn’t brought up to sex ed /contraceptive speed it’s going to default to a norm.

92 Bulworth  Wed, May 1, 2013 7:12:46am

re: #63 Vicious Babushka

What is this… I don’t even…

I don’t know, what’s to stop the next vindicative 15-yr old from buying a gun at the gun show and poisoning shooting her ex-BF? /

93 Decatur Deb  Wed, May 1, 2013 7:13:11am

re: #87 Targetpractice

It tells me that not everybody becomes sexually active at 18. And that pushing that on teenagers is one step above abstinence-only.

The specific case is not 18. The suits in play remove any age barrier.

94 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Wed, May 1, 2013 7:14:06am

re: #91 Decatur Deb

Falling behind…

Don’t know—said it is messy. Her attention, if not her identity, needs to be captured somewhere. Emergency contraception is just that—an emergency. If she isn’t brought up to sex ed /contraceptive speed it’s going to default to a norm.

I agree, but that still leaves the big question of ‘how’. Really, in our society, we treat teenagers like sex-crazed thieves and murderers on one hand, and absolutely innocent pure beings of absolute willpower on the other. Kids, in general, don’t trust most adults to look out for their best interests. The only real solution to most of these problems is for kids to be able to trust an adult enough to confide in them and to follow their advice. I do not think that the moment of purchase of emergency contraception is a good time for this to occur, and it has a lot of negatives— informing the parents may cause disastrous things to happen, the kid, already freaked out, may take more irrational decisions, etc.

I totally feel where you’re coming from, the desire to help, but it’s such a sticky, involved mess— it really matters what the individual narrative is, and it’s very hard to get that narrative without potentially fucking everything up.

95 Bulworth  Wed, May 1, 2013 7:14:46am
When will the first vindictive 15 year old girl be prosecuted for poisoning her unsuspecting boyfriend with Plan-B?
#FutureCrime
#TCOT
#TGDN
— LiberateTheUSA (@LiberateTheUSA)
May 1, 2013

It won’t poison the unsuspecting boyfriend. Boyfriend’s body has a way of shutting that down. /

96 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 1, 2013 7:15:20am

re: #92 Bulworth

I don’t know, what’s to stop the next vindicative 15-yr old from buying a gun at the gun show and poisoning shooting her ex-BF? /

What’s to stop the next vindictive 15-year-old from buying castor beans on ebay and poisoning her boyfriend?

97 Decatur Deb  Wed, May 1, 2013 7:16:25am

re: #90 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Absolutely, at the very least the 14 year old should be using contraception. But the problem is how to get from point A— 14 year old having risky sex that leads to a pregnancy— to point B— 14 year old either not having sex or, if they do, practicing safe sex.

I do not think we get there by, when a kid gets pregnant, forcing some sort of intervention. I would love to have, say, a court-appointed child advocate (which I hope to be soon) swoop in and take the kid’s side, but it’s both practically impossible and, again, without coercion there’s no way to get a kid actually to accept the help.

I think that, as in many cases, the problem has to be solved before it gets to that point.

That’s the ideal I’m talking about. It’s the ‘meantimes’ that looks potentially harmful to me. Note the kid should not be relying on contraception if she’s in a non-consensual situation. She should be relying on the adult world.

98 Targetpractice  Wed, May 1, 2013 7:18:29am

re: #97 Decatur Deb

That’s the ideal I’m talking about. It’s the ‘meantimes’ that looks potentially harmful to me. Note the kid should not be relying on contraception if she’s in a non-consensual situation. She should be relying on the adult world.

And how do we as a society separate the two without treating them as one and the same, that any sexually active teenager is suspect?

99 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Wed, May 1, 2013 7:21:02am

re: #97 Decatur Deb

That’s the ideal I’m talking about. It’s the ‘meantimes’ that looks potentially harmful to me. Note the kid should not be relying on contraception if she’s in a non-consensual situation. She should be relying on the adult world.

At the current moment, I would say that in most cases the adult world would be unreliable, and it would take a very large cultural change to get us to the point where adult society was a reliable resource for teenage kids in trouble.

And if the kid is in a non-consensual situation, she should still be using contraception if she can manage it. Preferably condoms.

100 lawhawk  Wed, May 1, 2013 7:22:08am
101 Decatur Deb  Wed, May 1, 2013 7:22:12am

re: #98 Targetpractice

And how do we as a society separate the two without treating them as one and the same, that any sexually active teenager is suspect?

The age criteria. There have been shifts up and down of the age kids begin sex. Fourteen and below is still on the very low end. That’s probably why the FDA went for the compromise that’s being challenged.

102 Decatur Deb  Wed, May 1, 2013 7:23:37am

re: #99 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

At the current moment, I would say that in most cases the adult world would be unreliable, and it would take a very large cultural change to get us to the point where adult society was a reliable resource for teenage kids in trouble.

And if the kid is in a non-consensual situation, she should still be using contraception if she can manage it. Preferably condoms.

Then they’re kind of fucked, aren’t they?

103 Big Steve  Wed, May 1, 2013 7:31:24am

re: #100 lawhawk

It is interesting that you can see the sun gear in lower foreground. This allows only a partial rotation. It is dented but without any apparent abrasions so must have been a slow shear force. I wonder if the whole assembly slowly slide down between the buildings.

104 aagcobb  Wed, May 1, 2013 7:34:02am

re: #92 Bulworth

I don’t know, what’s to stop the next vindicative 15-yr old from buying a gun at the gun show and poisoning shooting her ex-BF? /

The difference is her second amendment remedy is her God-given right./

105 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Wed, May 1, 2013 7:34:32am

re: #102 Decatur Deb

Then they’re kind of fucked, aren’t they?

Yes. Yes indeed. Kids are kind of fucked in a lot of ways.

In an ideal world, kids would be able to go to their parents about this stuff, failing that, they’d have some coach, teacher, friend that they were close to. And sometimes they do, and that’s great. But unfortunately, many kids are pretty much on their own, and even if there are adults around who are trustable and willing to help, kids who have experienced adults fucking them over or acting irrationally— like their own parents— are unlikely to trust other adults.

So in crafting policy to deal with problems affecting teenagers, I think the best, absolute best thing to do is to promote this trust.

What would you think of a program where, when buying the OTC plan B for an under-age person, information is included for services they can reach out to if they’re being abused, if they just need someone to talk to, with the promise of confidentiality and advocacy for the kid?

This removes the problem of kids not getting the Plan B because they’re afraid of the intervention, and even if it doesn’t result in the kid calling the number, it reinforces the idea that there is someone they can reach out to. So the worst-case scenario from this is that the kid knows that there are resources out there, the best is that they attain help.

From direct intervention, the worse case scenario is that it prompts an investigation of home life that results in the parents learning their child is sexually active and punishing her in some way. The best case scenario is the parents react with undiluted love and support for their kid— and if the latter was to be the case, the kid would probably have told them— or some other person in another role, be they cop, social worker, or what have you— having the skill to reach out to a kid despite that kid being forced to see them and so already starting from a position of distrust.

106 Decatur Deb  Wed, May 1, 2013 7:38:23am

re: #89 EmmaAnne

Plan B does not terminate a pregnancy. It prevents it from occurring. You suggesting forcing the teen to have an abortion rather than preventing the pregnancy. Just to be clear.

Sorry—lost you in the flow.

Yes, recognize that. I really don’t know what the medical impact of the drugs entails, vice a safe early procedure (especially if it becomes a norm). Assuming there is a pronounced risk, it would have to be measured against the societal interest of flagging abuse.

107 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 1, 2013 7:38:51am

WTF
Dumbass, why are you passing all these “Right to Work” laws?
Oh yeah try organizing a picket line in Bangladesh.

108 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, May 1, 2013 7:41:00am

re: #100 lawhawk

9/11 Plane Part Moved from Alley Near Ground Zero, No Remains Found

A piece of an airplane wing that was found in an alley near the World Trade Center site and is believed to be part of a 9/11 jetliner has been removed.

Officials wheeled the 5-foot-long part onto the street and loaded it into a pickup truck Wednesday after sifting for human remains in the narrow alley on Tuesday. The medical examiner’s office said no potential human remains were found.

The NYPD will take the part to the property clerk’s office in Brooklyn.

109 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Wed, May 1, 2013 7:41:38am

re: #105 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Hell, make a special under-18 pack of OTC plan B that includes a copy of “Our Bodies, Ourselves”, the RAINN hotline number, condoms, and a voucher for a free visit to Planned Parenthood.

Yes, I’m sure we can get that through the House.

110 Bulworth  Wed, May 1, 2013 7:42:03am

re: #107 Vicious Babushka

Yeah, because employees and employers have equal power and equal rights. //

111 Decatur Deb  Wed, May 1, 2013 7:44:21am

re: #105 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Agreed, and I still like to think we are talking about the exceptions here. The need among 14 and below is fairly rare, even more rare the kids who know enough to find the drugs and use them in the short timeframe. I really question how many kids could read and use the drugs as directed, let alone understand the data sheets and exercise informed consent. If they don’t have an adult helping them, this isn’t going to work very often.

112 Targetpractice  Wed, May 1, 2013 7:44:44am

re: #105 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

The last portion is pretty much what I was about to type, that if a girl at 14 is indeed sexually active and her parents don’t know, then it’s not always to hide sexual abuse. If anything, the reason they may be hiding it from their parents is to avoid emotional and physical abuse. As much as we like to believe as a society that parents always put their kids best interests first, some can be very irrational when it comes to learning that their child is growing into an adult.

113 Bulworth  Wed, May 1, 2013 7:46:44am
I don’t understand why “better working conditions” folks don’t go picket their employers. the military was called in to end labor strikes. Why ask govt to fix the problem?
#tcot
#uniteblue
— PuterPrsn (@PuterPrsn)

Fxd

114 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Wed, May 1, 2013 7:48:16am

re: #111 Decatur Deb

Agreed, and I still like to think we are talking about the exceptions here. The need among 14 and below is fairly rare, even more rare the kids who know enough to find the drugs and use them in the short timeframe. I really question how many kids could read and use the drugs as directed, let alone understand the data sheets and exercise informed consent. If they don’t have an adult helping them, this isn’t going to work very often.

The consent issue is another whole bundle of wax, agreed. And it is probably exceptional (especially since I think Plan B is rx-only in most states) but it connects to a lot of other things— like a 14 year old seeking an actual abortion, seeking out birth control, etc.

115 Decatur Deb  Wed, May 1, 2013 7:51:21am

re: #114 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

The consent issue is another whole bundle of wax, agreed. And it is probably exceptional (especially since I think Plan B is rx-only in most states) but it connects to a lot of other things— like a 14 year old seeking an actual abortion, seeking out birth control, etc.

Think the FDA action is all about getting Plan B off scrip. Can’t wait until Chief Justice Roy Moore decides that for Alabama.

116 Targetpractice  Wed, May 1, 2013 7:52:48am

Well, back to the salt mine I go. BBL

117 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 1, 2013 7:53:15am
118 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 1, 2013 7:56:17am

So proud of my town’s City Council who told Walmart to go fuck themselves.

119 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, May 1, 2013 7:57:09am

Is this true?

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad Arrested

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was arrested and held for seven hours Monday and warned to keep his mouth shut about matters detrimental to the Islamic regime before he was released, according to a source within the Revolutionary Guard’s intelligence unit.

After his visit to Tehran’s 26th international book fair Monday, the source said the head of Ahmadinejad’s security team informed the Iranian president that he had been asked to appear at the supreme leader’s office for an urgent matter.

On the way to the meeting, contact between the security team within the president’s convoy was disconnected while three other cars joined the convoy, instructing the lead car to take a different direction. Ahmadinejad, instead of being taken to the supreme leader’s office, was taken to a secret location in one of the buildings belonging to the Foreign Ministry, which is under the control of the Revolutionary Guards’ intelligence unit.

As soon as Ahmadinejad exited the car, he and his security team were involved in an altercation with Guards’ members in which his team was disarmed and communications equipment confiscated. Ahmadinejad was then forced to enter an office belonging to Hossein Taeb, the head of the Guards’ intelligence, located underneath the building.

As this was happening, the source said, hundreds of other Guards’ members from the intelligence unit sought out Ahmadinejad’s associates throughout Tehran and questioned them on the existence of documents detrimental to the regime.

Ahmadinejad was questioned for hours in a meeting with Taeb; Asghar Hejazi, the head of intelligence at the supreme leader’s office; Mojtaba Khamenei, the supreme leader’s son; and Gholam Hossein Mohseni Ejei, the attorney general. He was warned to back down from his claims against regime officials and given an ultimatum. The source added that Ahmadinejad was released back to his security team at 11:45 p.m. Monday, Tehran time.

Heh.

120 Decatur Deb  Wed, May 1, 2013 7:57:42am

re: #117 Vicious Babushka

Why are you trying to put Bangladeshi children out of work?

121 Bulworth  Wed, May 1, 2013 7:59:10am

re: #117 Vicious Babushka

Some of them did, hiring the Pinkerton security company to infiltrate the unions, but that wasn’t usually enough. Same government that wouldn’t intervene to protect life, property and voting rights in the South after Reconstruction seemed pretty OK with sending the military in to break strikes.

122 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, May 1, 2013 8:03:55am

re: #121 Bulworth

Some of them did, hiring the Pinkerton security company to infiltrate the unions, but that wasn’t usually enough. Same government that wouldn’t intervene to protect life, property and voting rights in the South after Reconstruction seemed pretty OK with sending the military in to break strikes.

Odd. That implies that someone like Henry Clay Frick got more consideration from the government than some poor black dirt farmer in Alabama.
/(dripping)

123 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 1, 2013 8:06:43am

re: #119 NJDhockeyfan

Is this true?

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad Arrested

Heh.

Probably not. It’s possible there are moves behind the scenes to arrest him once he’s out of power but this story doesn’t look very credible. However, my guess is he’s probably going to have to flee the country if he loses the election.

124 darthstar  Wed, May 1, 2013 8:06:47am

Paul Ryan’s embracing his inner bigot - used the term “Anchor babies”

thinkprogress.org

125 Joanne  Wed, May 1, 2013 8:09:37am

re: #71 Eventual Carrion

BIN LADEN DETERMINED TO STRIKE IN UNITED STATES.
- Presidential briefing Aug. 6, 2001

Doesn’t matter. Bush kept us safe after 9/11!!!!!!!!!!11!!

126 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 1, 2013 8:10:54am

re: #122 Feline Fearless Leader

Odd. That implies that someone like Henry Clay Frick got more consideration from the government than some poor black dirt farmer in Alabama.
/(dripping)

*FACE PALM*

127 aagcobb  Wed, May 1, 2013 8:11:27am

re: #86 Decatur Deb

Different problem, and you and I would likely be on the same side of it.

I agree, but that is the world we are living in. A 14 year old blocked from getting Plan B quickly is at high risk of becoming a 15 year old mother.

128 Decatur Deb  Wed, May 1, 2013 8:14:08am

re: #121 Bulworth

Some of them did, hiring the Pinkerton security company to infiltrate the unions, but that wasn’t usually enough. Same government that wouldn’t intervene to protect life, property and voting rights in the South after Reconstruction seemed pretty OK with sending the military in to break strikes.

Most of them don’t know it today, but the American Legion was fostered to provide that service in many locations in the ’20s.

129 GunstarGreen  Wed, May 1, 2013 8:15:05am

re: #117 Vicious Babushka

Youtube Video
130 aagcobb  Wed, May 1, 2013 8:15:09am

re: #124 darthstar

Paul Ryan’s embracing his inner bigot - used the term “Anchor babies”

thinkprogress.org

Love that GOP rebranding effort.

131 lawhawk  Wed, May 1, 2013 8:16:00am

re: #126 Vicious Babushka

No way to hide? That’s why some states are moving to make it illegal to carry out undercover surveillance in the food distribution chain (like slaughterhouses) - that you have to report potential violations within 48 hours, penalizes those who take jobs in those facilities for taking them under false pretenses, etc.

132 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 1, 2013 8:17:15am

re: #131 lawhawk

No way to hide? That’s why some states are moving to make it illegal to carry out undercover surveillance in the food distribution chain (like slaughterhouses) - that you have to report potential violations within 48 hours, penalizes those who take jobs in those facilities for taking them under false pretenses, etc.

Why do I even bother arguing with these nutbags? They have their talking points and STICKING TO IT.

133 Big Steve  Wed, May 1, 2013 8:17:36am

So Big Steve got a lesson in gender world for 13-14 girls yesterday. I officiate at swim meets and was the head official at a Jr High invitational meet last night. We noticed that several of the girls were wearing sports bras under their swim suits. This is a clear cut violation of the rules that only allow one layer for the suit. When I approached the first girl about removing it before her first race, she burst into tears and ran to her coach who came over and griped at me. For the remainder girls so attired, I wussed out and had one of the female referees approach them. I guess some girls that age can be quite modest….who knew (says the father of boys only!)

134 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, May 1, 2013 8:17:40am

re: #123 Killgore Trout

Probably not. It’s possible there are moves behind the scenes to arrest him once he’s out of power but this story doesn’t look very credible. However, my guess is he’s probably going to have to flee the country if he loses the election.

The NYT reported the other day that he’s getting a lot of heat for whats going on in the country.

As Election in Iran Nears, Ahmadinejad’s Critics Are Piling On

TEHRAN — Just six weeks before Iran’s presidential election, politicians and clerics have declared open season on President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and his government, in one instance calling him a “coward” and likening him to a “drunk driver.”

The invective is the latest manifestation of infighting that broke out months ago between Mr. Ahmadinejad and his allies and a loose coalition of clerics and Revolutionary Guards commanders.

…Newspapers of all political affiliations and the semiofficial news agencies have enthusiastically joined the chorus. On Monday the Shargh newspaper published pictures of poorly attended speeches by Mr. Ahmadinejad, in near-empty stadiums. Last week, the moderate Web site Asr-e Iran published an opinion poll saying that 91.5 percent of Iranians disapproved of Mr. Ahmadinejad’s economic policies.

The change in tone signals a hardening among Iran’s top leadership toward Mr. Ahmadinejad, who by law cannot run for another term but who is championing the candidacy of a protégé, Esfandiar Rahim Mashaei, in the June election. “It seems that there are controlled, plotted attacks against the president and his entourage,” said Saeed Allahbehdasthi, a political analyst. “Anybody can talk against him now.”

You may be right, he might have to leave.

135 Decatur Deb  Wed, May 1, 2013 8:17:44am

re: #127 aagcobb

I agree, but that is the world we are living in. A 14 year old blocked from getting Plan B quickly is at high risk of becoming a 15 year old mother.

Honestly don’t have the stats to indicate how much impact that route will have. It’s a pretty narrow set of circumstances where a kid would be able to interrupt the keep/abort decision.

136 lawhawk  Wed, May 1, 2013 8:18:49am
137 Decatur Deb  Wed, May 1, 2013 8:20:58am

re: #133 Big Steve

So Big Steve got a lesson in gender world for 13-14 girls yesterday. I officiate at swim meets and was the head official at a Jr High invitational meet last night. We noticed that several of the girls were wearing sports bras under their swim suits. This is a clear cut violation of the rules that only allow one layer for the suit. When I approached the first girl about removing it before her first race, she burst into tears and ran to her coach who came over and griped at me. For the remainder girls so attired, I wussed out and had one of the female referees approach them. I guess some girls that age can be quite modest….who knew (says the father of boys only!)

When my kids were swimming, some brands of racing suits (male and female) would go nearly transparent when wet.

138 Big Steve  Wed, May 1, 2013 8:22:14am

re: #137 Decatur Deb

That problem has been fixed and racing suits are much more opaque than a few years ago.

139 lawhawk  Wed, May 1, 2013 8:22:16am

Two alleged associates of the bombing suspects are in immigration court on visa infractions. These two are not among the three suspects apparently taken into custody by the Boston PD:

Two Kazakh men associated with the alleged Boston Marathon bombers went before a federal immigration judge this morning on allegations they violated their student visas.

The men were detained for civil immigration violations after authorities questioned them about their possible connection to Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, who allegedly detonated two bombs at the Boston Marathon last month, killing three people and injuring more than 200. The brothers also allegedly murdered MIT Police Officer Sean Collier.

The two men, Dias Kadyrbayev and Azamat Tazhayakov, came to America from the Central Asian nation to study at the University of Massachusetts at Dartmouth, where Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was also enrolled.

They have not been charged with a crime.

A Department of Homeland Security prosecutor argued that the men had violated their student visas, but defense lawyers argued that Tazhayakov is still enrolled at the college. While Kadyrbayev was expelled from the school because of low grades, the defense argued he should be released and allowed to leave the country. A hearing on Kadyrbayev’s case will be held on May 22.

140 Decatur Deb  Wed, May 1, 2013 8:24:45am

re: #138 Big Steve

That problem has been fixed and racing suits are much more opaque than a few years ago.

We paid a half day’s pay for my 4 yr old son’s first Speedo—about its weight in gold. The first time we washed it, it went through the machine and lodged in the drainpipe.

141 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, May 1, 2013 8:36:46am

Happy May Day, Lizards!

If it wasn’t such a rainy turning to snow (!) later day up here in northern WI, I’d go uptown and fly the Red flag. Be interesting to see if anyone even recognized it or the day… :devilish:

142 lawhawk  Wed, May 1, 2013 8:36:50am

The three people arrested are in connection with helping the surviving bombing suspect after the attacks.

143 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, May 1, 2013 8:39:58am

re: #92 Bulworth

I don’t know, what’s to stop the next vindicative 15-yr old from buying a gun at the gun show and poisoning shooting her ex-BF? /

He must think plan-B gets inserted into the vagina so it will poison whomever takes it orally, or he’s just an idiot who didn’t think anything through.

144 Decatur Deb  Wed, May 1, 2013 8:42:14am

re: #141 William Barnett-Lewis

Happy May Day, Lizards!

If it wasn’t such a rainy turning to snow (!) later day up here in northern WI, I’d go uptown and fly the Red flad. Be interesting to see if anyone even recognized it or the day… :devilish:

Y’all fly those red flags here in Alabama, and you’ll stop the race dead.

145 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 1, 2013 8:43:17am

re: #142 lawhawk

They allegedly helped him after the bombing, a different source told the Globe.

Interesting. I suppose we can assume from the arrest that they knew he did the bombing and helped him anyways. It’ll be interesting to learn their motivation.

146 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, May 1, 2013 8:44:07am

re: #94 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

I agree, but that still leaves the big question of ‘how’. Really, in our society, we treat teenagers like sex-crazed thieves and murderers on one hand, and absolutely innocent pure beings of absolute willpower on the other. Kids, in general, don’t trust most adults to look out for their best interests. The only real solution to most of these problems is for kids to be able to trust an adult enough to confide in them and to follow their advice. I do not think that the moment of purchase of emergency contraception is a good time for this to occur, and it has a lot of negatives— informing the parents may cause disastrous things to happen, the kid, already freaked out, may take more irrational decisions, etc.

I totally feel where you’re coming from, the desire to help, but it’s such a sticky, involved mess— it really matters what the individual narrative is, and it’s very hard to get that narrative without potentially fucking everything up.

Perhaps abstinence only education should be trashed, logical and reasonable sex education given more focus and regular contraceptives made more available for 14 year old kids.

Then that nasty Plan-B the right believes kills babies becomes less important.

147 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, May 1, 2013 8:44:11am

Czech commies are celebrating May Day today…

Czech Communists celebrate May Day with former head Jakes

Prague - Followers of the Communist party of Bohemia and Moravia (KSCM), including former general secretary of the Communist Party of Czechoslovakia (KSC) Milos Jakes, celebrated May Day in the Exhibition Grounds in Prague today.

The event was also attended by former Social Democrat foreign minister Jan Kavan (1998-2002).

However, a group of Communist opponents came to the area, too. They waved the banners saying “Get Out to North Korea” and “Communist Rally, a Horror Show for Free.”

The No to Bases far left group placed portraits of government ministers in prison clothes with the banner “Never expect us to give you any amnesty” outside the entry to the complex.

148 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Wed, May 1, 2013 8:44:26am

re: #145 Killgore Trout

Interesting. I suppose we can assume from the arrest that they knew he did the bombing and helped him anyways. It’ll be interesting to learn their motivation.

Why wait? How about some mindless speculation based on what some dude in Pakistan said?

149 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 1, 2013 8:48:28am

re: #143 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

He must think plan-B gets inserted into the vagina so it will poison whomever takes it orally, or he’s just an idiot who didn’t think anything through.

Another ditto head.

150 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, May 1, 2013 8:52:57am

re: #149 Vicious Babushka

Another ditto head.

I am not.
I am not.

151 lawhawk  Wed, May 1, 2013 8:53:37am

re: #150 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

I am not.
I am not.

R2 / D2
R2 / D2

152 Romantic Heretic  Wed, May 1, 2013 8:53:55am

re: #5 blueraven

He bought them for constipation probably.

Could he spare the fecal matter masquerading as brain cells?

153 Decatur Deb  Wed, May 1, 2013 8:54:02am

Fairly good study showing young teenage Plan B might be a solution in search of a problem:

guttmacher.org

154 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 1, 2013 8:55:28am

HISTORY CHANNEL WILL NOW DO A PROGRAM ON ZOMBIES

155 darthstar  Wed, May 1, 2013 8:55:36am

Three more arrests in the Boston Bombing. Apparently, the Tsarnaevs had friends who helped them evade police for the first few days. Guess what guys? You’re going to be famous!

156 lawhawk  Wed, May 1, 2013 8:56:49am

re: #153 Decatur Deb

Key graf:

Sexual activity is and has long been rare among the youngest adolescents, according to “Sexual Initiation, Contraceptive Use and Pregnancy Among Young Adolescents,” by Lawrence B. Finer and Jesse M. Philbin of the Guttmacher Institute, published online in the journal Pediatrics. Very few early adolescents (both boys and girls) have had sex (0.6% of 10-year-olds, 1.1% of 11-year-olds and 2.4% of 12-year-olds), and the incidence of pregnancy among girls aged 12 or younger is minuscule. But adolescence is a time of rapid change, and sexual activity is more common among older teens, including one-third (33%) of those aged 16, nearly half (48%) of those aged 17, and 61% and 71% of 18- and 19-year-olds, respectively.

157 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, May 1, 2013 8:58:02am

re: #155 darthstar

Three more arrests in the Boston Bombing. Apparently, the Tsarnaevs had friends who helped them evade police for the first few days. Guess what guys? You’re going to be famous!

Heh. They certainly have some splainin’ to do.

TPM:

While investigators have not yet publicly revealed the alleged conduct of the three new suspects arrested in connection with the Boston Marathon bombings, they are focusing on whether the three aided accused bomber Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, according to NBC News’ Pete Williams.

Williams reported on Wednesday that the suspects were roomates of Tsarnaev. Two of the roommates were already in custody related to immigration violations and the third was arrested Wednesday morning, according to Williams.

“The question is whether they helped to take things out of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev’s dorm room after the bombing,” Williams said on-air, according to a rush transcript. “Now, no one is saying at this point that they have knowledge of the bombing in advance. That’s been the big question. We’ll probably learn more about the answer to that question later today when these charges are made public.”

A CBS News producer tweeted that the network confirmed “3 suspects were arrested for harboring/aiding the bombing suspects after the fact. These will be federal charges.”

158 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 1, 2013 8:58:40am

Dim Jim so excited he can’t be bothered with spell check

159 Stanley Sea  Wed, May 1, 2013 8:59:27am

re: #140 Decatur Deb

We paid a half day’s pay for my 4 yr old son’s first Speedo—about it’s weight in gold. The first time we washed it, it went through the machine and lodged in the drainpipe.

I was on a gymnastics team as a kid. The uniforms killed my single Mom’s budget. One was this really fancy white leotard. Completely see-through. A very expensive fail.

160 Decatur Deb  Wed, May 1, 2013 8:59:47am

re: #157 NJDhockeyfan

Heh. They certainly have some splainin’ to do.

TPM:

“A friend helps you move, a good friend helps you move the pressure cookers.”

161 wrenchwench  Wed, May 1, 2013 9:02:59am

re: #156 lawhawk

Key graf:

Another one:

However, adolescents who initiated sex at 14 or younger were less likely to use contraceptives at first sex and took longer to begin using a method.

Importantly, the analysis also found that sex among very young adolescents is frequently involuntary. Sixty-two percent of females who had had sex by age 10 said that their first sex was coerced, as did 50% of those who had had sex by age 11. The authors argue that coerced sex warrants attention in and of itself.

The problem is small, and warrants attention, but I think forced attention when a girl is already pregnant is both too late and too soon.

162 Romantic Heretic  Wed, May 1, 2013 9:07:11am

re: #69 lawhawk

The elevator doesn’t go to the top floor.
He’s a few pancakes short of a short stack.
He’s as dumb as a bag of hammers.
He’s a few quarts low.

Crazier than a snake’s armpit.

163 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, May 1, 2013 9:08:12am

re: #159 Stanley Sea

I was on a gymnastics team as a kid. The uniforms killed my single Mom’s budget. One was this really fancy white leotard. Completely see-through. A very expensive fail.

Why would they make them see-through, and why would a parent expect a kid wear one?

I wish the stigma of public nudity was a thing of the past, but it isn’t and a lot of kids get really embarrassed about others seeing their bodies. It doesn’t make sense to have see-through swim attire available for anybody but serious adult competitors.

164 Decatur Deb  Wed, May 1, 2013 9:10:19am

re: #163 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

Why would they make them see-through, and why would a parent expect a kid wear one?

I wish the stigma of public nudity was a thing of the past, but it isn’t and a lot of kids get really embarrassed about others seeing their bodies. It doesn’t make sense to have see-through swim attire available for anybody but serious adult competitors.

Guessing the extensive testing by the swimsuit manufacturers did not include getting them wet.

165 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, May 1, 2013 9:10:19am

re: #107 Vicious Babushka

WTF
Dumbass, why are you passing all these “Right to Work” laws?
Oh yeah try organizing a picket line in Bangladesh.

If they picket their employers, they will be fired and quickly replaced by new workers who will learn quickly to shut up and do their job.

I know it’s technically illegal to do that, but don’t try and tell me it doesn’t happen.

The employer/employee relationship is so lopsided it’s ridiculous. The employer holds all the money, all the power, all the chips. The employee is little more than a whipping boy.

166 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 1, 2013 9:11:11am

re: #163 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

Why would they make them see-through, and why would a parent expect a kid wear one?

I wish the stigma of public nudity was a thing of the past, but it isn’t and a lot of kids get really embarrassed about others seeing their bodies. It doesn’t make sense to have see-through swim attire available for anybody but serious adult competitors.

I noticed during the most recent winter Olympics, that the figure skater’s costumes were constructed to give the illusion of partial nudity using flesh-colored fabric inserts. I’m sure if they could have made the costumes see-through they would have, but it must get cold out on the ice.

167 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 1, 2013 9:12:04am

re: #165 Eclectic Cyborg

If they picket their employers, they will be fired and quickly replaced by new workers who will learn quickly to shut up and do their job.

I know it’s technically illegal to do that, but don’t try and tell me it doesn’t happen.

The employer/employee relationship is so lopsided it’s ridiculous. The employer holds all the money, all the power, all the chips. The employee is little more than a whipping boy.

In Bangladesh they are just “disposable people.” Coming to a RTW state near you.

168 Romantic Heretic  Wed, May 1, 2013 9:12:49am

re: #126 Vicious Babushka

*FACE PALM*

Ask him why he is against the right of assembly.

169 Eventual Carrion  Wed, May 1, 2013 9:13:26am

re: #162 Romantic Heretic

Crazier than a snake’s armpit.

Nuttier than a squirrel turd

170 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, May 1, 2013 9:13:56am

re: #163 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

Why would they make them see-through, and why would a parent expect a kid wear one?

I wish the stigma of public nudity was a thing of the past, but it isn’t and a lot of kids get really embarrassed about others seeing their bodies. It doesn’t make sense to have see-through swim attire available for anybody but serious adult competitors.

The problem is many if us are conditioned from a young age to connect nudity and sexuality. This leads to the notion that any and all public nudity must somehow be sexual in nature and therefore it is something shameful, perverse and inappropriate.

If you look at the movies we watch, it’s very uncommon to see a nude scene that isn’t ALSO a sex scene or have sexual overtones. Nudity is virtually always shown in conjunction with sexual activity.

171 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 1, 2013 9:16:11am

re: #170 Eclectic Cyborg

The problem is many if us are conditioned from a young age to connect nudity and sexuality. This leads to the notion that any and all public nudity must somehow be sexual in nature and therefore it is something shameful, perverse and inappropriate.

If you look at the movies we watch, it’s very uncommon to see a nude scene that isn’t ALSO a sex scene or have sexual overtones. Nudity is virtually always shown in conjunction with sexual activity.

People are embarrassed of their naked bodies not so much because of sexuality, but because they have been conditioned that a body which is less than perfect must be hidden.

172 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, May 1, 2013 9:21:46am

re: #169 Eventual Carrion

Nuttier than a squirrel turd

Doesn’t have both oars in the water

173 Bulworth  Wed, May 1, 2013 9:21:51am

re: #155 darthstar

Three more arrests in the Boston Bombing. Apparently, the Tsarnaevs had friends who helped them evade police for the first few days. Guess what guys? You’re going to be famous!

Wonderful. Now CNN will interview all their neighbors and family members. What Texas factory explosion?

174 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Wed, May 1, 2013 9:21:57am

re: #167 Vicious Babushka

In Bangladesh they are just “disposable people.” Coming to a RTW state near you.

Already here:

Fines Slashed In Grain Bin Entrapment Deaths

175 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, May 1, 2013 9:23:27am

re: #165 Eclectic Cyborg

If they picket their employers, they will be fired and quickly replaced by new workers who will learn quickly to shut up and do their job.

I know it’s technically illegal to do that, but don’t try and tell me it doesn’t happen.

The employer/employee relationship is so lopsided it’s ridiculous. The employer holds all the money, all the power, all the chips. The employee is little more than a whipping boy.

Everyone should join the Wobblies! One big union to fight big captial! Revolutionary Democratic Unionism!

(only half / )

176 steve_davis  Wed, May 1, 2013 9:23:57am

re: #2 jaunte

“I have a delivery here for Mr. Dumass!”

“It’s Doo MAH, motherfucker. Alexander…fucking….DooMAH. Just for that, I’m not giving you a tip for this no-doubt cold pizza.”

177 Lidane  Wed, May 1, 2013 9:25:49am

My work inbox this morning—

Euro Counterpart: O HAI! I noticed you just started the same RFQ that I did. Shall we compare info so we’re consistent or do you want to do it by yourself?

Me: Sharing info sounds great! I’ll send over what I did for this company a few months ago.

Euro Counterpart’s Boss: I have a better idea. You’re in the States. The RFQ comes from the States. No reason for both of you to do it. You submit the answers for the company.

Euro Counterpart to Company: Hi there! Just FYI, my colleague in the States will respond for us. Cheers!

Company: OK. Just make sure the Euro pricing sheet is included.

Euro Counterpart: *dumps long list of attachments to email* HAI AGAIN! Here’s all the files and our MSA from two years ago, plus the current Euro pricing sheet, plus our current RFQ answers. Good luck!

So yeah. No pressure or anything.

178 Bulworth  Wed, May 1, 2013 9:26:12am

re: #158 Vicious Babushka

How long before we know whether any of these aiding and abetting friends once obtained STUDENT LOANS!?!?!111?!?!?1 How long were their friends on WELFARE??!??!!!111!!?

179 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 1, 2013 9:26:58am

MOAR DETAILS ON THE FAILY FAIL’S BOMBSHELL:

180 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, May 1, 2013 9:27:48am

re: #173 Bulworth

Wonderful. Now CNN will interview all their neighbors and family members. What Texas factory explosion?

“Do these new suspects have an accent?”
~ Wolf Blitzer

181 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, May 1, 2013 9:31:45am
182 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, May 1, 2013 9:32:08am

re: #176 steve_davis

“It’s Doo MAH, motherfucker. Alexander…fucking….DooMAH. Just for that, I’m not giving you a tip for this no-doubt cold pizza.”

Not sure why, but I read that in Arnold Schwarzenegger’s voice.

183 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 1, 2013 9:33:39am

Just caught a Fake Quote



I thought all the Fake Quote spammers blocked me.

184 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, May 1, 2013 9:33:52am

re: #165 Eclectic Cyborg

If they picket their employers, they will be fired and quickly replaced by new workers who will learn quickly to shut up and do their job.

I know it’s technically illegal to do that, but don’t try and tell me it doesn’t happen.

The employer/employee relationship is so lopsided it’s ridiculous. The employer holds all the money, all the power, all the chips. The employee is little more than a whipping boy.

Unless the Black Death gets loose and causes an acute labor shortage. :p

185 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 1, 2013 9:37:14am

Nothing says FAIL like an anti-abortion Tweeter with a name after a character from an Ayn Rand novel.

186 Bulworth  Wed, May 1, 2013 9:38:03am

re: #183 Vicious Babushka

UR FACKE!!111 U BLOCKTED!!11

187 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, May 1, 2013 9:38:07am
188 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 1, 2013 9:38:50am

re: #185 Vicious Babushka

Nothing says FAIL like an anti-abortion Tweeter with a name after a character from an Ayn Rand novel.

189 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, May 1, 2013 9:42:23am

Ah, that felt good.

As my May Day celebration, I renewed my membership in the Democratic Socialists of America.

The look on wingnut faces when you say that “No, the President is not a Socialist. I know because _I_ am one.” is almost too precious for words.

190 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Wed, May 1, 2013 9:42:48am

re: #187 NJDhockeyfan

Until we find out what their involvement is, spreading their pictures around isn’t really serving any purpose.

191 Mattand  Wed, May 1, 2013 9:43:25am

re: #148 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Why wait? How about some mindless speculation based on what some dude in Pakistan said?

Major LOL at that one. He really seems to have an unhealthy desire for this to be a Major Seekrit Mooslim Plot™.

EDIT: I was referring to KT, not NJD. Although I do agree with the spreading of pictures part. Worked out so well for the NY Daily News.

192 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 1, 2013 9:43:33am

re: #189 William Barnett-Lewis

Ah, that felt good.

As my May Day celebration, I renewed my membership in the Democratic Socialists of America.

The look on wingnut faces when you say that “No, the President is not a Socialist. I know because _I_ am one.” is almost too precious for words.

President Obama totally SUCKS at Socialism.

193 darthstar  Wed, May 1, 2013 9:43:44am

re: #187 NJDhockeyfan

I’d wait for the official police photo releases before sharing images of people from twitter. Or did we learn nothing from the poor bastard found floating in a river last week?

194 Mattand  Wed, May 1, 2013 9:45:16am

re: #193 darthstar

I’d wait for the official police photo releases before sharing images of people from twitter. Or did we learn nothing from the poor bastard found floating in a river last week?

Not when there’s Muslims to blame. This is America, dammit!

195 darthstar  Wed, May 1, 2013 9:46:05am

re: #190 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Until we find out what their involvement is, spreading their pictures around isn’t really serving any purpose.

Or we can let some vigilante asshole go around killing people with similar features (from those pics, this could include Asians, Filipinos, Indians, etc.) and then feel bad about it later.

196 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, May 1, 2013 9:48:54am

Interesting article about a poll of Muslims asking them how they feel about certain aspects of their faith.

Here’s a snippet:

Morality- Muslims around the world overwhelmingly view certain behaviors as immoral, including prostitution, homosexuality, suicide, abortion, euthanasia, and consumption of alcohol. But the polling found that attitudes toward polygamy, divorce, and birth control are more varied.

Religion in politics- Most Muslims want to see the teachings of Islam shape their societies, but the percentage of Muslims who say they want sharia to be “the official law of the land” varies.

Now let’s see what happens when we swap Islam with a different religion…

Morality- Christians around the world overwhelmingly view certain behaviors as immoral, including prostitution, homosexuality, suicide, abortion, euthanasia, and consumption of alcohol. But the polling found that attitudes toward polygamy, divorce, and birth control are more varied.

Religion in politics- Most Christians want to see the teachings of Christianity shape their societies, but the percentage of Christians who say they want the Bible to be “the official law of the land” varies.

Virtually no loss in accuracy between them.

There’s also this interesting note at the end regarding how strongly religious people feel their religion is the so-called “One True Faith”:

But they are in the middle of the pack when it comes to viewing their religion as the one true faith. About 33 percent of US Muslims believe that, similar to historically black Protestant churches (34 percent) and evangelical Protestant churches (36 percent). A higher share of Mormons (56 percent) felt that way, while the level was lower for a number of other faiths. Sixteen percent of Roman Catholics, 12 percent of mainline Protestants, and 5 percent of Jews in the US saw their religion as the one true faith.

197 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 1, 2013 9:49:13am

DERP FAIL.
Norway, Sweden, Canada…totalitarian hellholes all of them

198 Gus  Wed, May 1, 2013 9:49:26am

re: #194 Mattand

Not when there’s Muslims to blame. This is America, dammit!

That Tweet is from Russia Today.

199 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, May 1, 2013 9:51:03am

If you need a laugh:

In what Huffington Post Business calls “one of the funniest, most eloquent court documents we’ve ever seen,” a federal judge in Texas has loaded up his ruling on a case involving San Antonio strip clubs with at least 17 double entendres.

npr.org

200 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, May 1, 2013 9:51:34am

re: #198 Gus

That Tweet is from Russia Today.

America, Russia….what’s the difference?
//

201 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 1, 2013 9:52:13am

CAVEAT: It’s CNN

202 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, May 1, 2013 9:52:45am

re: #195 darthstar

Or we can let some vigilante asshole go around killing people with similar features (from those pics, this could include Asians, Filipinos, Indians, etc.) and then feel bad about it later.

Just like the new Florida legislature’s “innocence or guilt is not important” version of “justice”.

203 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, May 1, 2013 9:53:23am

re: #196 Eclectic Cyborg

Interesting article about a poll of Muslims asking them how they feel about certain aspects of their faith.

Here’s a snippet:

Now let’s see what happens when we swap Islam with a different religion…

Virtually no loss in accuracy between them.

There’s also this interesting note at the end regarding how strongly religious people feel their religion is the so-called “One True Faith”:

I was going to do a page on that yesterday, but realized I wasn’t really in the mood. I have a pdf of the study if you’re interested.

204 Mattand  Wed, May 1, 2013 9:55:27am

re: #198 Gus

re: #200 NJDhockeyfan

From what I can tell, at least one American here has reposted it.

205 GunstarGreen  Wed, May 1, 2013 9:55:55am

re: #197 Vicious Babushka

DERP FAIL.
Norway, Sweden, Canada…totalitarian hellholes all of them

On December 14, 1903, Wilbur Wright made one of the Wright brothers’ first powered flight attempts. It lasted all of three seconds, failed due to a stall, and caused some damage to the flyer.

HUMAN FLIGHT WILL NEVER EVER WORK LET’S JUST SCRAP THAT SHIT RIGHT NOW AND NEVER TRY IT AGAIN.

206 lawhawk  Wed, May 1, 2013 9:56:13am

re: #139 lawhawk

Media reports are now indicating that the two men that were brought before a judge on immigration charges, Dias Kadyrbayev and Azamat Tazhayakov, are two of the three who have been arrested in connection to the bombing.

Kadyrbayev and Tazhayakov, Kazakh nationals, appeared before a federal immigration judge this morning. Their lawyers said they were unaware of any criminal charges against them.

Lawyers for the men said at the hearing they had cooperated with Homeland Security and FBI investigators for hours and were only college buddies with Dzhohkar Tsarnaev and should be released.

The men are being detained in the Suffolk County jail and appeared before immigration Judge Steven F. Day via videoconference, wearing prison scrubs, from the jail. The consul of Kazakhstan, other representatives as well as US government officials were in the court.

The hearing marked the men’s first court appearance since immigration officials arrested and jailed them 11 days ago in New Bedford.

A UMass Dartmouth official confirmed Kadyrbayev was no longer enrolled in school while Tazhayakov was still attending classes.

Yet, their lawyers knew nothing about the charges/arrest?

There’s more than a few tidbits of information missing in the story that will come out, particularly after the Boston PD has a presser. There’s also no word on who the third person in custody is.

207 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, May 1, 2013 9:58:25am

re: #206 lawhawk

Media reports are now indicating that the two men that were brought before a judge on immigration charges, Dias Kadyrbayev and Azamat Tazhayakov, are two of the three who have been arrested in connection to the bombing.

Yet, their lawyers knew nothing about the charges/arrest?

There’s more than a few tidbits of information missing in the story that will come out, particularly after the Boston PD has a presser. There’s also no word on who the third person in custody is.

The third person is making himself, or herself, comfortable on the grassy knoll.

208 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, May 1, 2013 9:58:54am

re: #204 Mattand

re: #200 NJDhockeyfan

From what I can tell, at least one American here has reposted it.

Damn him. Send him to the Gulags!

209 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, May 1, 2013 10:00:16am

nevermind.

210 Kragar  Wed, May 1, 2013 10:00:39am

Fischer: Being Selective in Choosing Partners Proves That Being Gay is a Choice

Things took a rather odd turn when Fischer started taking calls from listeners, one of whom tried to claim that the fact that gays use discretion in picking sexual partners proves that they can control their behavior and thus being gay is really a choice.

And Fischer agreed, saying “anytime a homosexual exercises any sort of selectivity at all when it comes to intimate matters, he is proving that it is a matter of choice. Nobody is compelled to follow those impulses.”

Of course, by this logic, then being straight must also be a choice, since straight people also exercise selectivity in choosing partners.

But eventually Fischer got back to the topic at hand, asserting that gays celebrate things “that ought to be matters of shame, humiliation, and embarrassment” and criticizing President Obama for supporting Collins and “openly celebrating sexual deviancy, calling evil good and calling good evil”:

211 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 1, 2013 10:01:47am

re: #210 Kragar

Fischer: Being Selective in Choosing Partners Proves That Being Gay is a Choice

He really needs to find a new hobby. Nitpicking about gays really isn’t a healthy one. May I suggest for him stamp collecting or masturbation. Both would be more healthy than obsessing about the sex lives of others.

212 Kragar  Wed, May 1, 2013 10:02:40am

Moronic Convergence:

Nugent to Alex Jones: Soldiers committing suicide because Obama ‘violates the Constitution’

Appearing on “The Alex Jones Show” Tuesday, rocker and National Rifle Association board member Ted Nugent claimed the epidemic of soldier suicides that’s baffled some of the nation’s brightest psychologists is much easier to understand if you just blame President Barack Obama.

“I’m sure the leftist blogs are gonna attack me, misquote me,” he began. “But I’ll tell you why more and more warrior heroes of the military are killing themselves: because they are in absolute frustration and heartbreak that their boss, their commander in chief violates the Constitution that he has made an oath to, while their hero warrior blood brothers are being blown to smithereens and blown up while executing their oath to the same Constitution that the president, the vice president and the attorney general violate.”

213 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, May 1, 2013 10:03:06am

re: #204 Mattand

re: #200 NJDhockeyfan

From what I can tell, at least one American here has reposted it.

This Russian American news website has their faces posted on the front page.

CBS New York

214 GunstarGreen  Wed, May 1, 2013 10:03:42am

re: #211 HappyWarrior

He really needs to find a new hobby. Nitpicking about gays really isn’t a healthy one. May I suggest for him stamp collecting or masturbation. Both would be more healthy than obsessing about the sex lives of others.

He has to. Remember, these people aren’t just arguing from the position of “ew, it’s icky”. They believe that we are engaged in a holy war for the soul of the country. If America accepts teh gayz, we will lose our status as God’s Favorite Nation, which will have dire consequences all over the place.

They cannot be reasoned with. They are mentally ill people on a modern-day crusade.

215 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 1, 2013 10:04:18am

re: #212 Kragar

Moronic Convergence:

Nugent to Alex Jones: Soldiers committing suicide because Obama ‘violates the Constitution’

Because suicide by returning service members only became a problem when Obama became president. Maybe Mr. I crapped myself to get out of military service should shut up about things he doesn’t know anything about. Like duty and love of one’s country.i

216 lawhawk  Wed, May 1, 2013 10:05:29am

re: #179 Vicious Babushka

You know, there’s another puzzling question (really, dozens) about this. You’ve got two American reporters, Miniter and Martsko, who have ready access to American media outlets, but instead chose to run the story in the Daily Mail. Is it easier to get lax reporting and thinly veiled hit pieces in the British media than American media outlets?

But another reason to be skeptical is that the byline on the Daily Mail report is that it’s by Martsko and the American Media Institute - not an individual. That normally doesn’t happen. AMI is a stand-in for Miniter, but if he was the contributing author to the story, why use AMI in the byline except to obfuscate.

Look, the actual story they reported is thinly sourced and contains enough caveats to question whether there’s anything actually there. They admit that they’ve got only one source, and never actually saw the original letter they claim the Saudis sent (and which the Saudis say doesn’t exist). DHS officials say they never saw any such letter, and the story even indicates that it’s possible that the White House never saw any such warnings.

In other words - there’s a whole lot of innuendo that someone dropped the ball, but not more. Someone could have dropped the ball, but it will take a whole lot more than this thinly-sourced article.

217 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 1, 2013 10:05:29am

re: #214 GunstarGreen

He has to. Remember, these people aren’t just arguing from the position of “ew, it’s icky”. They believe that we are engaged in a holy war for the soul of the country. If America accepts teh gayz, we will lose our status as God’s Favorite Nation, which will have dire consequences all over the place.

They cannot be reasoned with. They are mentally ill people on a modern-day crusade.

I find the eww gay sex is gross people at least honest. I mean it’s silly but it’s a lot more honest than some holy rolling bigot who is more full of sin than those he deems sinful.

218 lawhawk  Wed, May 1, 2013 10:06:02am

re: #207 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

More likely, making themselves comfy with investigators in exchange for a deal to come.

219 lawhawk  Wed, May 1, 2013 10:08:25am

re: #212 Kragar

Page it… that’s got promotion material written all over it.

220 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 1, 2013 10:08:27am

Fake Quote Guy scares me:

221 GunstarGreen  Wed, May 1, 2013 10:10:42am

re: #217 HappyWarrior

I find the eww gay sex is gross people at least honest. I mean it’s silly but it’s a lot more honest than some holy rolling bigot who is more full of sin than those he deems sinful.

Ah, but they also believe that as long as they accept God/Jesus, they’ll be fine in the end — “he died for your sins” and all that. Their opposition to Teh Gayz is that they don’t throw themselves upon the mercy of God/Jesus, and continue to live Teh Gay Life instead of Godly lives.

I have had conversations with some southern christians, of the hardcore variety, that have answered positively to the question “If Hitler truly accepted Jesus as his savior on his deathbed, would he get into heaven?” It was part of the formative years of my atheism — even if such a God existed, I could not in good moral conscience follow him that would let such a thoroughly evil person into the pearly gates, while a good person that happened not to believe in him went to hell.

222 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 1, 2013 10:12:10am

I expect the answer to this will be EEEE! BLOCKED but the real answer is “I Tweeted a Fake Quote Because I’m A Dumbass”

223 GeneJockey  Wed, May 1, 2013 10:13:36am

From WAY up above, VB quoting tweet from wingnut:

unions have overstayed their welcome.

I keep hearing that from the Right, at a time when corporate profits as a percent of GDP have never been higher, and wages as a percent of GDP have never been lower; when median income has been declining; when more and more people have to take low pay, low benefit jobs, and when middle and working class folks can no longer afford to spend at a rate that drives the economy.

This is a time when Unions are more needed than ever!

224 GunstarGreen  Wed, May 1, 2013 10:14:57am

re: #223 GeneJockey

From WAY up above, VB quoting tweet from wingnut:

I keep hearing that from the Right, at a time when corporate profits as a percent of GDP have never been higher, and wages as a percent of GDP have never been lower; when median income has been declining; when more and more people have to take low pay, low benefit jobs, and when middle and working class folks can no longer afford to spend at a rate that drives the economy.

This is a time when Unions are more needed than ever!

Workers are no longer kicked into meatgrinders for showing up 5 seconds late (defined as an hour earlier than stated starting time) to work. Unions’ jobs are done, nothing to see here.

225 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 1, 2013 10:15:10am

DERP. FAIL.
I’ll totally bet this idiot wants Voter ID

226 GeneJockey  Wed, May 1, 2013 10:15:29am

re: #222 Vicious Babushka

My point still stands. When American people fear the government, for ANY reason, there’s a problem.

What if the reason some American people fear their government is that they’re a bunch of paranoid racist assholes?

Oh - I guess I identified the problem.

227 GeneJockey  Wed, May 1, 2013 10:17:06am

re: #210 Kragar

Fischer: Being Selective in Choosing Partners Proves That Being Gay is a Choice

How does that even make sense?

228 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, May 1, 2013 10:19:41am

re: #227 GeneJockey

How does that even make sense?

Because choosing the right partner makes for good marriages, oh wait!
/

229 Romantic Heretic  Wed, May 1, 2013 10:28:27am

re: #225 Vicious Babushka

DERP. FAIL.
I’ll totally bet this idiot wants Voter ID

One of the cardinal traits of a RWNJ is their amazing dodging ability. You simply cannot get them to deal with a question or statement head on. It’s like nailing Jello™ to the wall.

230 GunstarGreen  Wed, May 1, 2013 10:29:39am

re: #225 Vicious Babushka

DERP. FAIL.
I’ll totally bet this idiot wants Voter ID

Ask him how effective he thinks his Bushmaster will be against an Abrams or an F-15.

231 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 1, 2013 10:32:26am

And what about that armed population limiting other people’s rights. The paranoids never answer that and whether they want to admit it or not, there are people out there who want to do that.

232 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 1, 2013 10:35:24am

re: #229 Romantic Heretic

One of the cardinal traits of a RWNJ is their amazing dodging ability. You simply cannot get them to deal with a question or statement head on. It’s like nailing JelloTM to the wall.

The other thing I’ve noticed about RWNJs is their defense of their bigotry is “I’m just not a politically correct person, political correctness is killing this country.” I am not that big on some forms of PC myself but it’s not political correctness to think you’re a douche if you think it’s acceptable to deny gay people their equality, act like immigrants don’t contribute, etc. Of course, the other thing as a millennial that I tire of is these old fuckers (apologies to older lizards) acting like my generation doesn’t respect our elders and what they sacrificed. We do and I have no greater idol than my grandfather whom would be 100 next month, but at the same time I feel that our elders weren’t always right. After all, it took the boomers by and alrge to push Civil Rights.

233 Eventual Carrion  Wed, May 1, 2013 10:35:38am

re: #231 HappyWarrior

And what about that armed population limiting other people’s rights. The paranoids never answer that and whether they want to admit it or not, there are people out there who want to do that.

Or if a town majority decides that they have had enough of those fucking churches everywhere and decided to run all religions out of town at the point of a gun. Would he support that majority of armed citizens?

234 Lidane  Wed, May 1, 2013 10:39:17am

re: #212 Kragar

Moronic Convergence:

Nugent to Alex Jones: Soldiers committing suicide because Obama ‘violates the Constitution’

Yep. Multiple tours of duty and the stress and isolation of combat deployment have nothing to do with military suicide rates. It’s all Obama’s fault.

WTF.

235 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 1, 2013 10:40:15am

re: #233 Eventual Carrion

Or if a town majority decides that they have had enough of those fucking churches everywhere and decided to run all religions out of town at the point of a gun. Would he support that majority of armed citizens?

Exactly. It seems that they’re only okay with armed people when their “fears” are apparent. After all these are the same people who had no problem with the Patriot Act and then its expansion. Their problem is with whom the executive is not with executive power itself. If Romney were president, they’d be telling anyone who criticized the administration’s executive actions from the left that they were unpatriotic just like they did in the Bush years and really any year of a Republican president.

236 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, May 1, 2013 10:46:22am

re: #230 GunstarGreen

Ask him how effective he thinks his Bushmaster will be against an Abrams or an F-15.

Nah, just an MQ-9 Reaper. They aren’t worth scratching the paint on tank or fighter.

237 I Am Kreniigh!  Wed, May 1, 2013 12:03:18pm

re: #170 Eclectic Cyborg

If you look at the movies we watch, it’s very uncommon to see a nude scene that isn’t ALSO a sex scene or have sexual overtones. Nudity is virtually always shown in conjunction with sexual activity.

Nothing more disappointing to a Cinemax-watchin’ adolescent in the 80s than a movie listed as having nudity that didn’t also have sex.

238 AlexRogan  Wed, May 1, 2013 2:46:09pm

re: #65 darthstar

You know…I was thinking I need to get my hair cut, but when I looked in the mirror yesterday, I noticed I had a striking resemblance to George Jones…but I really don’t want to live in Mississippi.

Including the hair helmet?

/

239 EPR-radar  Wed, May 1, 2013 6:15:20pm

re: #31 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts

And in angry-making news, a woman in El Salvador who has lupus and upcoming renal failure is being prevented from having an abortion, even though a pregnancy may kill her or at the least cause her long-term physical harm.

rhrealitycheck.org

BTW, the fetus in this pregnancy is anencephalic (no brain) and has no possible viability after birth according to the article.

By now, I think every time a woman in El Salvador dies from a forced pregnancy, an ectopic conceptus should be implanted in some painful and eventually fatal location in the senior Catholic cleric in that country.


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