On today’s radio broadcast, Glenn Beck got pretty worked up about the fact that the jury in the trial of Kermit Gosnell has now entered the second day of deliberations, since Beck thinks it is an open and shut case and it should only have taken them seconds to find Gosnell guilty.
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erik_t Wed, May 1, 2013 1:32:50pm |
Not a new or profound thought, but that man needs professional help.
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HappyWarrior Wed, May 1, 2013 1:33:36pm |
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Backwoods_Sleuth Wed, May 1, 2013 1:33:42pm |
sales at his gated city are down! needz more sales!
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Kragar Wed, May 1, 2013 1:34:15pm |
“Miranda Rights? Trial by Jury? Appeals to the Death Penalty? Who needs them?” - A Constitution loving wingnut
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Dr Lizardo Wed, May 1, 2013 1:34:45pm |
Beck is a lunatic; a weeping paranoid fanatic. That anyone actually listens to him for sage advice and opinion is mind-boggling to me.
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GunstarGreen Wed, May 1, 2013 1:35:01pm |
If God is willing to kill millions of innocent people to punish a few evildoers, then God is a malevolent force of evil that must be destroyed, at all costs.
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Bulworth Wed, May 1, 2013 1:35:22pm |
Good gosh are there no lynch mobs anymore?11?!??!111!”!
Shame what Amercia has become. //
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HappyWarrior Wed, May 1, 2013 1:35:29pm |
Seconds to find him guilty? Glenn you do know that even in cases of confessed murderers like Gacy, Dahmer, and others that it took longer than that? Really. The fact that there isn’t an instant verdict on Gosnell isn’t a tragedy. It’s part of living in a society that has trial by jury. If you actually read about the principles of this country rather than getting your information from David Barton, you’d know that.
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Bulworth Wed, May 1, 2013 1:35:57pm |
I sure do wish this Philadelphia doctor had been arrested and tried for a crime(s). Oh, wait….
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HappyWarrior Wed, May 1, 2013 1:36:23pm |
re: #9 Bulworth
Good gosh are there no lynch mobs anymore?11?!??!111!”!
Shame what Amercia has become. //
That’s a good point to remind anyone that bitches about what society has become. I’m tired of hearing that things were better in the old days. No, they weren’t.
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Walking Spanish Down the Hall Wed, May 1, 2013 1:36:34pm |
That is the worst performance art I have ever seen.
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Targetpractice Wed, May 1, 2013 1:37:07pm |
Beck missed his calling as an televangelist.
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GeneJockey Wed, May 1, 2013 1:37:31pm |
re: #7 Charles Johnson
Followed by an ad for Goldline.com.
Because when Jesus comes back, he’s not gonna accept no fiat dollars in the collection plate.
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Walking Spanish Down the Hall Wed, May 1, 2013 1:37:35pm |
re: #12 HappyWarrior
That’s a good point to remind anyone that bitches about what society has become. I’m tired of hearing that things were better in the old days. No, they weren’t.
The bad stuff was just more segregated in thee olde days,
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Dr Lizardo Wed, May 1, 2013 1:38:21pm |
re: #14 Targetpractice
Beck missed his calling as an televangelist.
Actually, he is a televangelist of sorts; a ‘prophet of doom’ sort, so he’s found his niche.
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HappyWarrior Wed, May 1, 2013 1:38:31pm |
He’s no better than Father Coughlin if you ask me. A man whose sole job is selling hate and resentment.
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HappyWarrior Wed, May 1, 2013 1:39:54pm |
re: #14 Targetpractice
Beck missed his calling as an televangelist.
Actually I’d say he is kind of one. He’s not a licensed minister to be sure but he engages in the same doomsday crap that other televangelists do. I’d also like to see where he got his stat that 41% of pregancies in this country end in abortion. Sounds like a lot of crap to me and for someone who calls himself a libertarian, that shouldn’t be his concerned even if true which I highly doubt it is.
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Shiplord Kirel Wed, May 1, 2013 1:41:54pm |
What an absurd carnival modern pop religion is. Remember when God threatened to kill Oral Roberts if Roberts didn’t raise a million bucks for Him? Now, Beck has extended this many orders of magnitude by having God threaten the whole country.
If I actually believed in wrathful divine intervention, I would make a point of never standing close to any of these yahoos, lest they be struck down by lightning from a clear sky, meteorites, or an extra large falling frog.
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steve_davis Wed, May 1, 2013 1:42:08pm |
re: #8 GunstarGreen
If God is willing to kill millions of innocent people to punish a few evildoers, then God is a malevolent force of evil that must be destroyed, at all costs.
LOL!! Reminds me of the first edition of the D&D deities and demigods manual, before they got politically correct and took out Jehovah. Basically, if you saw Jehovah coming, your best option was to run away, as fast as you could. It was mostly just God got to reroll any die rolls he wished, as often as he chose, until you were splattered like a bug on a windshield.
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Dr. Matt Wed, May 1, 2013 1:42:11pm |
We have a new definition of ‘fake outrage’. Congrats, Glenda.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, May 1, 2013 1:42:19pm |
re: #18 HappyWarrior
He’s no better than Father Coughlin if you ask me. A man whose sole job is selling hate and resentment.
He’s so angry all the time.
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engineer cat Wed, May 1, 2013 1:42:22pm |
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allegro Wed, May 1, 2013 1:43:08pm |
re: #19 HappyWarrior
Actually I’d say he is kind of one. He’s not a licensed minister to be sure but he engages in the same doomsday crap that other televangelists do. I’d also like to see where he got his stat that 41% of pregancies in this country end in abortion. Sounds like a lot of crap to me and for someone who calls himself a libertarian, that shouldn’t be his concerned even if true which I highly doubt it is.
If you consider the number of blastocysts that fail to implant and spontaneous abortions, i.e. his god’s doing (the biggest abortionist ever), then 41% is probably low. But that probably isn’t his intended message.
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Vicious Babushka Wed, May 1, 2013 1:43:09pm |
re: #16 Walking Spanish Down the Hall
The bad stuff was just more segregated in thee olde days,
The latest from our Troll. I’m like all WTF!!
I will bet this troll real money that Singapore, Japan, Iceland and a bazillion other countries have a lower MASS SHOOTING rate than the U.S.
@blackenedwisdom @b_sharpc @viciousbabushka Because it’s not crazy. We have the ABSOLUTE LOWEST rate of mass shootings in the WORLD.— American Patriot (@LibertyRises2D) May 1, 2013
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engineer cat Wed, May 1, 2013 1:43:25pm |
re: #21 steve_davis
LOL!! Reminds me of the first edition of the D&D deities and demigods manual, before they got politically correct and took out Jehovah. Basically, if you saw Jehovah coming, your best option was to run away, as fast as you could. It was mostly just God got to reroll any die rolls he wished, as often as he chose, until you were splattered like a bug on a windshield.
isn’t this covered somewhere in deuteronomy?
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GeneJockey Wed, May 1, 2013 1:44:19pm |
re: #25 allegro
If you consider the number of blastocysts that fail to implant and spontaneous abortions, i.e. his god’s doing (the biggest abortionist ever), then 41% is probably low. But that probably isn’t his intended message.
BLASTOCYSTS ARE PEOPLE, TOO!!!11!!
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HappyWarrior Wed, May 1, 2013 1:46:59pm |
Absolute lowest rate of mass shootings? How does that even make sense when we’ve got by far the highest gun related homicides. Stupid morons.
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engineer cat Wed, May 1, 2013 1:47:21pm |
Frantically Begs God Not to
see, it worked!
for his next trick, glen will beg the tide to go out
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Feline Fearless Leader Wed, May 1, 2013 1:48:38pm |
re: #31 engineer cat
Frantically Begs God Not to
see, it worked!
for his next trick, glen will beg the tide to go out
…even if it takes hours to make it do so!
//
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Vicious Babushka Wed, May 1, 2013 1:48:49pm |
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HappyWarrior Wed, May 1, 2013 1:48:52pm |
re: #32 Stanley Sea
One day we will read about Beck’s very public breakdown.
.He’s going to go nuts once Obama leaves office especially if Obama’s successor is a Republican because he’ll pretty much have to toe the party line and expose himself for the hack that he is.
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GeneJockey Wed, May 1, 2013 1:49:13pm |
re: #31 engineer cat
for his next trick, glen will beg the tide to go out
“Tide comes in, tide goes out, never a miscommunication. You can’t explain that!”
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JeffFX Wed, May 1, 2013 1:49:18pm |
Most of the wingnut “personalities” are obviously just grifting the rubes, but I think Beck actually believes in the evil world-killing god of Noah’s ark fame. Believing in an evil fairy that will judge and torture you would be pretty terrifying.
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ProBosniaLiberal Wed, May 1, 2013 1:51:16pm |
I’m beginning to respect Pope Francis.
“A headline that really struck me on the day of the tragedy in Bangladesh was ‘Living on 38 euros a month’. That is what the people who died were being paid. This is called slave labour,” the pope was quoted as saying at a private mass.
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Backwoods_Sleuth Wed, May 1, 2013 1:51:51pm |
re: #32 Stanley Sea
One day we will read about Beck’s very public breakdown.
Isn’t it happening now?
Granted…it’s like a Cecil B. Demille slow motion sort of thing…
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, May 1, 2013 1:52:42pm |
U.S. State Dept. says Cuba will remain on list of state sponsors of terrorism: apne.ws/18qVdJk -SS— The Associated Press (@AP) May 1, 2013
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HappyWarrior Wed, May 1, 2013 1:52:51pm |
re: #37 JeffFX
Most of the wingnut “personalities” are obviously just grifting the rubes, but I think Beck actually believes in the evil world-killing god of Noah’s ark fame. Believing in an evil fairy that will judge and torture you would be pretty terrifying.
I dunno. I vaguely remember him in the Bush years. Right wing hack to be sure but not as doom and gloomy but then people like him seem to sincerely believe that God isn’t blessing America because we’ve elected Obama twice. The biggest true believer out there I see is Alex Jones. I do think that Limbaugh and Coulter to an even greater extent are “characters.”
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Sionainn Wed, May 1, 2013 1:54:19pm |
God kills more babies than abortion. Just sayin’.
According to the March of Dimes, as many as 50% of all pregnancies end in miscarriage — most often before a woman misses a menstrual period or even knows she is pregnant. About 15% of recognized pregnancies will end in a miscarriage.
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GeneJockey Wed, May 1, 2013 1:54:21pm |
re: #34 Vicious Babushka
Yah I think he’s just fucking with us.
Well, he’ll be fucking without me from now on!
//
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stabby Wed, May 1, 2013 1:56:35pm |
See, I misread it at first as Glenn Beck Frantically Begs God to Destroy America, Breaks Down Weeping
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Walking Spanish Down the Hall Wed, May 1, 2013 1:58:32pm |
re: #26 Vicious Babushka
The latest from our Troll. I’m like all WTF!!
I will bet this troll real money that Singapore, Japan, Iceland and a bazillion other countries have a lower MASS SHOOTING rate than the U.S.
I just asked him where that information came from. He’ll probably point to some NRA web page.
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Walking Spanish Down the Hall Wed, May 1, 2013 2:02:58pm |
re: #45 Walking Spanish Down the Hall
I just asked him where that information came from. He’ll probably point to some NRA web page.
Nope. He says it comes from inside his head.
sigh
Why do so many not understand minimum standards for evidence?
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klys Wed, May 1, 2013 2:08:35pm |
re: #47 Walking Spanish Down the Hall
Nope. He says it comes from inside his head.
sigh
Why do so many not understand minimum standards for evidence?
Who needs evidence when you have FAITH?
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Bubblehead II Wed, May 1, 2013 2:11:02pm |
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engineer cat Wed, May 1, 2013 2:11:50pm |
googling for mass shooting rates by country doesn’t return much of anything useful, but on this chart the u.s. has a very high rate of homicide by firearm - 17th out of 75 countries
each column head is clickable for sorting by that column
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Bulworth Wed, May 1, 2013 2:12:48pm |
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Bubblehead II Wed, May 1, 2013 2:13:22pm |
// Lovely
Ore. trailer park bomb capable of 100-yard blast
BOARDMAN, Ore. (AP) — A pipe bomb discovered by two Eastern Oregon women had a potential blast radius of at least 100 yards and might have damaged a trailer home park if it had exploded, an Oregon State Police detective said.
What is it with these idiots and their pipe bombs?
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BLUE POINT 09 Wed, May 1, 2013 2:13:47pm |
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danarchy Wed, May 1, 2013 2:17:11pm |
Damn, haven’t been paying much attention to the news lately and not sure if this has been posted here, so apologies in advance if it has been. Just saw this video and it is crazy.
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freetoken Wed, May 1, 2013 2:20:45pm |
Speaking of the impact of idiotic scam artists plying religion, Rawstory jumps on this paper which was published today:
The authors examine U.S. public attitudes regarding global climate change, addressing the puzzle of why support for governmental action on this front is tepid relative to what existing theories predict. Introducing the theoretical concept of relative sociotropic time horizons, the authors show that believers in Christian end-times theology are less likely to support policies designed to curb global warming than are other Americans. They then provide robustness checks by analyzing other policy attitudes. In so doing, the authors provide empirical evidence to suggest that citizens possessing shorter “shadows of the future” often resist policies trading short-term costs for hypothetical long-term benefits.
From the Rawstory article:
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The study, based on data from the 2007 Cooperative Congressional Election Study, uncovered that belief in the “Second Coming” of Jesus reduced the probability of strongly supporting government action on climate change by 12 percent when controlling for a number of demographic and cultural factors. When the effects of party affiliation, political ideology, and media distrust were removed from the analysis, the belief in the “Second Coming” increased this effect by almost 20 percent.
“[I]t stands to reason that most nonbelievers would support preserving the Earth for future generations, but that end-times believers would rationally perceive such efforts to be ultimately futile, and hence ill-advised,” Barker and Bearce explained.
That very sentiment has been expressed by federal legislators. Rep. John Shimkus (R-IL) said in 2010 that he opposed action on climate change because “the Earth will end only when God declares it to be over.” He is the chairman of the Subcommittee on Environment and the Economy.
Though the two researchers cautioned their study was not intended to predict future policy outcomes, they said their study suggested it was unlikely the United States would take action on climate change while so many Americans, particularly Republicans, believed in the coming end-times.
[…]
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Charles Johnson Wed, May 1, 2013 2:23:46pm |
New wingnut fake outrage brewing. They’ve always got something ready to go.
Think Progress award-winning blogger charged with faking her own Hate Crime
This person is not associated with Think Progress. She runs a Tumblr blog that was one of the blogs featured in a Think Progress post.
Tweeted by Erick Erickson, so it’s already greenlit for the right wing echo chamber to start parroting away.
RT @leginsurrection: Think Progress award-winning blogger charged with faking her own Hate Crime thisainthell.us/blog/?p=35378— Erick Erickson (@EWErickson) May 1, 2013
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Bubblehead II Wed, May 1, 2013 2:27:06pm |
re: #54 danarchy
Saw that yesterday. From the video, it looks like the plane went into a stall condition and crashed.
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Backwoods_Sleuth Wed, May 1, 2013 2:28:35pm |
re: #57 Bubblehead II
Saw that yesterday. From the video, it looks like the plane went into a stall condition and crashed.
yes, the current theory is that some of the cargo broke loose and shifted on takeoff.
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Charles Johnson Wed, May 1, 2013 2:29:49pm |
Student from Kazakhstan driving around Boston w/ license plate “terrorista #1” and the Feds can’t figure put there is a problem? #teaparty— Tea Party Nation (@teapartynation) May 1, 2013
*facepalm*
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jaunte Wed, May 1, 2013 2:29:58pm |
re: #56 Charles Johnson
“…blogger charged with faking her own Hate Crime”
Therefore, all hate crimes have been faked.
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Varek Raith Wed, May 1, 2013 2:33:31pm |
re: #58 Backwoods_Sleuth
yes, the current theory is that some of the cargo broke loose and shifted on takeoff.
Along with a windshift of 100 degrees or so, from what I’ve read.
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Bubblehead II Wed, May 1, 2013 2:35:39pm |
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A Mom Anon Wed, May 1, 2013 2:37:42pm |
re: #59 Charles Johnson
Yes because the FBI has to devote every agent and resource to looking at every single plastic fake licence plate on every freaking car anywhere ever. Dumbasses.
God help me, how the hell do these people brush their own teeth and feed themselves? I suppose what’s really sad is that none of them have anyone who loves them enough to do a freaking intervention.
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Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts Wed, May 1, 2013 2:38:08pm |
re: #59 Charles Johnson
*facepalm*
Immediately tackle any Muslim wearing this: Image: the-hundreds-forever-half-bomb-t-shirt-burgundy-front.jpg
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Kragar Wed, May 1, 2013 2:38:14pm |
Belief in biblical end-times stifling climate change action in U.S.: study
The United States has failed to take action to mitigate climate change thanks in part to the large number of religious Americans who believe the world has a set expiration date.
Research by David C. Barker of the University of Pittsburgh and David H. Bearce of the University of Colorado uncovered that belief in the biblical end-times was a motivating factor behind resistance to curbing climate change.
“[T]he fact that such an overwhelming percentage of Republican citizens profess a belief in the Second Coming (76 percent in 2006, according to our sample) suggests that governmental attempts to curb greenhouse emissions would encounter stiff resistance even if every Democrat in the country wanted to curb them,” Barker and Bearce wrote in their study, which will be published in the June issue of Political Science Quarterly.
The study, based on data from the 2007 Cooperative Congressional Election Study, uncovered that belief in the “Second Coming” of Jesus reduced the probability of strongly supporting government action on climate change by 12 percent when controlling for a number of demographic and cultural factors. When the effects of party affiliation, political ideology, and media distrust were removed from the analysis, the belief in the “Second Coming” increased this effect by almost 20 percent.
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Kid A Wed, May 1, 2013 2:41:00pm |
Thank you, Glenn Beck, for the hardiest laugh I have had in quite some time. Your acting just made Sofia Coppola’s in “The Godfather III” look Oscar-worthy. And that ain’t a compliment.
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bratwurst Wed, May 1, 2013 2:46:08pm |
“Dim” Jim Hoft has a well deserved reputation at the dumbest man on the internet. However, I offer this guy as a worthy contender:
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Bubblehead II Wed, May 1, 2013 2:46:28pm |
Sad, Just sad.
Keala Simeona, Hawaii woman who claimed to find newborn on the beach, is the mother, police say
CBS/AP) HONOLULU - The 21-year-old Hawaii woman who said she found a newborn baby on the beach early Monday was arrested a day later when police say they determined she was, in fact, the infant’s mother.
Without knowing what her situation was, I can’t really say much about this except that she at least made sure the child would be taken care of.
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Kid A Wed, May 1, 2013 2:49:09pm |
I like to read wingnut stuff on Facebook, especially the mad hatter himself Mark Levin and his nutjob followers. They are all hating on Karl Rove and why he is the reason the GOP is in the mess they are in. I commented:
The Republicans have done a wonderful job getting their message out, and it has been soundly rejected. There is no one in this party that is capable of winning the White House in the foreseeable future as long as they continually alienate the people they need to win. All one needs to do is read the GOP platform and you will see why people (like myself) jumped off long ago and became independents. You can channel Rush Limbaugh all you want with his insults towards the independents, but we are why Obama won. We are also why Hillary Clinton will be President, January, 2017.
It will look like The Exorcist in five minutes.
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freetoken Wed, May 1, 2013 2:50:59pm |
re: #68 bratwurst
That accusation gets kicked around now and then. To some of the wingnuts any kind of domestic terror is linked to the “left”. To the Chrisitian fundamentalist - and that blog you linked is such - any not explicitly Christian group, or person, or government, such as our explicitly secular one, becomes “left”, because they are seen as being in open rebellion to God, and thus anti-God, and that is a doctrine of marxism, hence “left”.
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Bubblehead II Wed, May 1, 2013 2:51:27pm |
re: #70 Kid A
“We are also why Hillary Clinton will be President, January, 2017.”
If and that is a mighty big if, She decides to run.
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Vicious Babushka Wed, May 1, 2013 2:53:01pm |
re: #47 Walking Spanish Down the Hall
Nope. He says it comes from inside his head.
sigh
Why do so many not understand minimum standards for evidence?
@b_sharpc @viciousbabushka @blackenedwisdom I don’t have one single source, but it is synthesized from my observation of all the data.— American Patriot (@LibertyRises2D) May 1, 2013
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A Mom Anon Wed, May 1, 2013 2:55:53pm |
re: #74 Vicious Babushka
So in other words he’s full of shit then. Good to know.
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freetoken Wed, May 1, 2013 2:57:35pm |
re: #47 Walking Spanish Down the Hall
Nope. He says it comes from inside his head.
Are these the same voices inside Glenn Beck’s head?
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Walking Spanish Down the Hall Wed, May 1, 2013 3:06:04pm |
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Decatur Deb Wed, May 1, 2013 3:06:14pm |
Aimee Semple McPherson said it better.
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122 Year Old Obama Wed, May 1, 2013 3:08:07pm |
re: #66 Kragar
Sometimes I think these people want something catastrophic to happen via climate change just to confirm their wacko doomsday theories.
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Vicious Babushka Wed, May 1, 2013 3:08:28pm |
It’s a popular wingnut meme that all the mass shooters were LIBRULS.
RT @dbargen: The shooters. Were democrats. #NRA @nranews #lnyhbt #tcot #tgdn twitter.com/Dbargen/status…— Wise Sensei (@WiseSensei) April 16, 2013
”@dmbatten: WHAT do recent MADMEN SHOOTERS All have in Common? THEY ARE LIBERALS! #BanLiberals#wedemandavote #TGDN twitter.com/ChristiChat/st…”— WordsofRenown (@WordsofRenown) February 21, 2013
@mmflint Go fuck yourself dude. Hows it feel to know Adam Lanza and the Columbine Shooters were liberal douche bags like you?— Zach Carpenter (@Carpy92) April 27, 2013
@betseyross @talmadgewilliam All the shooters were liberal dems who hated Christains , the left tries to hide this by blaming the tea party— RegressivesRUS (@regressivesRUs) April 26, 2013
“The common thread is that all of these shooters were progressive liberal Democrats.Solution: Ban Democrats from owning guns !!!— BOBBY JUNKIN (@1984wbj) April 24, 2013
Except for the Sikh temple shooter, and the Holocaust Museum shooter, and this “Mass shooters were LIBRULS” has been totally debunked.
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RadicalModerate Wed, May 1, 2013 3:08:47pm |
Something that I predicted would happen long ago:
Are you ready for President Ted Cruz?
Never mind the small fact that he’s Constitutionally barred from doing so, due to the small fact that he was born in Canada to a Cuban father and American mother.
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Walking Spanish Down the Hall Wed, May 1, 2013 3:09:17pm |
I have a pile of raw data on US gun violence. Should I bother putting a page together countering specific nra talking points?
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freetoken Wed, May 1, 2013 3:09:44pm |
Maybe it’s just me getting older, but it seems of late that there is a rise of simplistic and fallacious arguments becoming the norm in public discourse, from blogs to news”papers”.
Really obvious ones too, but most frustrating is the rhetorical use of hiding some conclusion wrapped inside a an argument for a large issue.
IOW, and for example, someone will bundle together propositions A, B, C, and D, with one of them, say C, clearly fallacious, but the overall package is sold (often on the basis of emotional rhetoric) as true, and even if A, B, and D are indeed good arguments, hiding C in there to get the reader/listener to buy the package and just accept the falsehood.
This is one of the oldest games in the book, of course. Politicians do it all the time. What I find increasingly irritated is when it is now becoming normative.
Perhaps it our advertising-crafted society, where we’ve just become too accustomed to “being sold” and have internalized the crafts of Madison Ave. Now we are all skilled is the arts of the sales-job.
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Varek Raith Wed, May 1, 2013 3:11:53pm |
re: #82 Walking Spanish Down the Hall
I have a pile of raw data on US gun violence. Should I bother putting a page together countering specific nra talking points?
Yes.
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Decatur Deb Wed, May 1, 2013 3:12:31pm |
re: #81 RadicalModerate
Something that I predicted would happen long ago:
Are you ready for President Ted Cruz?
Never mind the small fact that he’s Constitutionally barred from doing so, due to the small fact that he was born in Canada to a Cuban father and American mother.
As Orly goes in for her 100,000 mile checkup and comes out smiling.
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Walking Spanish Down the Hall Wed, May 1, 2013 3:17:25pm |
re: #83 freetoken
Maybe it’s just me getting older, but it seems of late that there is a rise of simplistic and fallacious arguments becoming the norm in public discourse, from blogs to news”papers”.
Really obvious ones too, but most frustrating is the rhetorical use of hiding some conclusion wrapped inside a an argument for a large issue.
IOW, and for example, someone will bundle together propositions A, B, C, and D, with one of them, say C, clearly fallacious, but the overall package is sold (often on the basis of emotional rhetoric) as true, and even if A, B, and D are indeed good arguments, hiding C in there to get the reader/listener to buy the package and just accept the falsehood.
This is one of the oldest games in the book, of course. Politicians do it all the time. What I find increasingly irritated is when it is now becoming normative.
Perhaps it our advertising-crafted society, where we’ve just become too accustomed to “being sold” and have internalized the crafts of Madison Ave. Now we are all skilled is the arts of the sales-job.
You’ve noticed that too, have you?
People copy without understanding a lot of the time. After this last argument with a Blaze follower, I come to the conclusion they simply don’t recognize bad argument.
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Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts Wed, May 1, 2013 3:18:00pm |
re: #81 RadicalModerate
Something that I predicted would happen long ago:
Are you ready for President Ted Cruz?
Never mind the small fact that he’s Constitutionally barred from doing so, due to the small fact that he was born in Canada to a Cuban father and American mother.
That doesn’t bar him, I don’t think. Does it? Was he born with US citizenship?
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Varek Raith Wed, May 1, 2013 3:19:33pm |
re: #88 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut
That doesn’t bar him, I don’t think. Does it? Was he born with US citizenship?
I don’t think it does bar him either.
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Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts Wed, May 1, 2013 3:19:34pm |
re: #83 freetoken
I’d say it’s more of a return to a norm. If you read the broadsheets from the original Fleet Street, is is all posturing and lampoonery and hyperbole. For awhile we had some quality reporting in mainstream press, or so it at least seemed.
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darthstar Wed, May 1, 2013 3:19:47pm |
Stand your ground round defense.
seattle.cbslocal.com
A man has died at an Oregon packaging plant after falling into a meat grinder.
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wrenchwench Wed, May 1, 2013 3:20:30pm |
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Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts Wed, May 1, 2013 3:20:33pm |
re: #89 Varek Raith
I don’t think it does bar him either.
If he was a citizen at birth, which I think he was just because his mom was, then he’s a natural born citizen and completely eligible. The parents, to the best of my knowledge, don’t have to file anything— he’s a citizen at the moment of birth.
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thedopefishlives Wed, May 1, 2013 3:20:34pm |
Evening Lizardim from the wild north country. April showers bring May … snowstorms? We’ll find out how things go into tomorrow. What’s new in the war on derp?
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Walking Spanish Down the Hall Wed, May 1, 2013 3:20:47pm |
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Vicious Babushka Wed, May 1, 2013 3:21:10pm |
re: #82 Walking Spanish Down the Hall
I have a pile of raw data on US gun violence. Should I bother putting a page together countering specific nra talking points?
It won’t dissuade the wingnuts but #UniteBlue can always use it.
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darthstar Wed, May 1, 2013 3:21:14pm |
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Charles Johnson Wed, May 1, 2013 3:22:31pm |
re: #88 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut
That doesn’t bar him, I don’t think. Does it? Was he born with US citizenship?
I don’t think it’s actually ever been decided by a court. But most people seem to think that if one of the parents is a US citizen, their children are “natural born” citizens even if they’re born outside the US.
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Vicious Babushka Wed, May 1, 2013 3:22:45pm |
re: #91 darthstar
Stand your ground round defense.
seattle.cbslocal.com
YOONYUNZ MIGHT HAVE BEEN USEFUL IN TEH OLDEN DAYS BUT WE DONT KNEAD THEM ANY MOAR!!11
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wrenchwench Wed, May 1, 2013 3:22:54pm |
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Walking Spanish Down the Hall Wed, May 1, 2013 3:22:57pm |
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freetoken Wed, May 1, 2013 3:23:40pm |
re: #87 Walking Spanish Down the Hall
… I come to the conclusion they simply don’t recognize bad argument.
Agree, many don’t. Part of this is just a lack of a sufficient education.
Yet appeals to emotions play a bigger part, I think.
My rant was inspired not so much by yet another wingnut commenter on a nutty blog.
What set me off this time was… Phil Plait. Since his move to Slate he has transitioned into more a politics guy, and his article today, while on an important topic, is too slickly crafted for one that has introspection and analysis. I guess we should expect that - Slate on the whole strikes me as an outlet that is not particularly picky but does need to generate advertising (all publishers’ dilemma), and as such doesn’t really want stuffy, analytical articles but writes down to appeal to a larger, more emotionally driven readership.
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Charles Johnson Wed, May 1, 2013 3:23:46pm |
Ted Cruz actually has dual nationality, I believe. He can also claim Canadian citizenship.
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Decatur Deb Wed, May 1, 2013 3:23:57pm |
re: #98 Charles Johnson
I don’t think it’s actually ever been decided by a court. But most people seem to think that if one of the parents is a US citizen, their children are “natural born” citizens even if they’re born outside the US.
Amusingly, most people are not RWNJ.
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darthstar Wed, May 1, 2013 3:24:13pm |
re: #101 Walking Spanish Down the Hall
He was in for a pound?
What’s worse is the fact that they had to throw out between 165 and 185 pounds of ground beef based on estimates of how much he weighed.
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engineer cat Wed, May 1, 2013 3:24:23pm |
re: #83 freetoken
Maybe it’s just me getting older, but it seems of late that there is a rise of simplistic and fallacious arguments becoming the norm in public discourse, from blogs to news”papers”.
Really obvious ones too, but most frustrating is the rhetorical use of hiding some conclusion wrapped inside a an argument for a large issue.
IOW, and for example, someone will bundle together propositions A, B, C, and D, with one of them, say C, clearly fallacious, but the overall package is sold (often on the basis of emotional rhetoric) as true, and even if A, B, and D are indeed good arguments, hiding C in there to get the reader/listener to buy the package and just accept the falsehood.
This is one of the oldest games in the book, of course. Politicians do it all the time. What I find increasingly irritated is when it is now becoming normative.
Perhaps it our advertising-crafted society, where we’ve just become too accustomed to “being sold” and have internalized the crafts of Madison Ave. Now we are all skilled is the arts of the sales-job.
it’s been endemic for a while now
everytime i argue with a wingnut, it’s as if they regard all known rhetorical fallacies as the approved methods of proof
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thedopefishlives Wed, May 1, 2013 3:24:26pm |
re: #98 Charles Johnson
I don’t think it’s actually ever been decided by a court. But most people seem to think that if one of the parents is a US citizen, their children are “natural born” citizens even if they’re born outside the US.
It’s complicated. You’re right, it’s never really been settled in a court (much to the Nirthers’ delight), but there appear to be various rules centering around one parent being a citizen and how long they lived in the US. As you mentioned, prevailing sentiment is that if one parent is a citizen, the child is a citizen, regardless.
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Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts Wed, May 1, 2013 3:24:33pm |
re: #98 Charles Johnson
I don’t think it’s actually ever been decided by a court. But most people seem to think that if one of the parents is a US citizen, their children are “natural born” citizens even if they’re born outside the US.
It makes sense to me. From the very second of his birth he was a citizen. That’s a natural-born American citizen.
I may think the guy’s a smarmy bag of cockswaddle but that doesn’t mean I’m going to go birther.
Does mean a lot of Tea Party types might.
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freetoken Wed, May 1, 2013 3:24:57pm |
re: #103 Charles Johnson
Isn’t “dual nationality” something of a non-thing, as far as the US is concerned? I remember reading something from the State Department regarding visas and nationality, and they explicitly addressed this “dual citizenship” thing.
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Targetpractice Wed, May 1, 2013 3:26:20pm |
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Walking Spanish Down the Hall Wed, May 1, 2013 3:26:21pm |
re: #102 freetoken
Agree, many don’t. Part of this is just a lack of a sufficient education.
Yet appeals to emotions play a bigger part, I think.
My rant was inspired not so much by yet another wingnut commenter on a nutty blog.
What set me off this time was… Phil Plait. Since his move to Slate he has transitioned into more a politics guy, and his article today, while on an important topic, is too slickly crafted for one that has introspection and analysis. I guess we should expect that - Slate on the whole strikes me as an outlet that is not particularly picky but does need to generate advertising (all publishers’ dilemma), and as such doesn’t really want stuffy, analytical articles but writes down to appeal to a larger, more emotionally driven readership.
I hate appeals to emotion.
Sad that Phil is going this way
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Walking Spanish Down the Hall Wed, May 1, 2013 3:27:11pm |
re: #103 Charles Johnson
Ted Cruz actually has dual nationality, I believe. He can also claim Canadian citizenship.
We really don’t want him.
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Backwoods_Sleuth Wed, May 1, 2013 3:27:38pm |
re: #86 Decatur Deb
As Orly goes in for her 100,000 mile checkup and comes out smiling.
yeah, but she could use a good rotation…
badabing!
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Backwoods_Sleuth Wed, May 1, 2013 3:29:01pm |
re: #91 darthstar
does this mean paying premium prices for sausages?
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Backwoods_Sleuth Wed, May 1, 2013 3:30:32pm |
re: #98 Charles Johnson
I don’t think it’s actually ever been decided by a court. But most people seem to think that if one of the parents is a US citizen, their children are “natural born” citizens even if they’re born outside the US.
I think the main qualifier is “how brown are you not…”
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RadicalModerate Wed, May 1, 2013 3:30:32pm |
re: #88 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut
That doesn’t bar him, I don’t think. Does it? Was he born with US citizenship?
Dual citizenship. He lived in Canada for the first four years of his life, as both parents were in Canada on work visas.
And once again, his father was NOT a US Citizen, but was a citizen of Cuba, who had left during the 1950s as a refugee.
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Targetpractice Wed, May 1, 2013 3:31:25pm |
re: #113 Walking Spanish Down the Hall
We really don’t want him.
Yet another reason to hate Canada, after Celine Dion.
//
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thedopefishlives Wed, May 1, 2013 3:31:40pm |
re: #118 Targetpractice
Yet another reason to hate Canada, after Celine Dion.
//
In their defense, she’s French.
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Mattand Wed, May 1, 2013 3:36:15pm |
re: #102 freetoken
Agree, many don’t. Part of this is just a lack of a sufficient education.
Yet appeals to emotions play a bigger part, I think.
My rant was inspired not so much by yet another wingnut commenter on a nutty blog.
What set me off this time was… Phil Plait. Since his move to Slate he has transitioned into more a politics guy, and his article today, while on an important topic, is too slickly crafted for one that has introspection and analysis. I guess we should expect that - Slate on the whole strikes me as an outlet that is not particularly picky but does need to generate advertising (all publishers’ dilemma), and as such doesn’t really want stuffy, analytical articles but writes down to appeal to a larger, more emotionally driven readership.
I’m surprised to hear this. I don’t read Phil as much as I used to. What exactly was the issue?
EDIT: Just scrolled through all of the articles on the current page. Mix of science, politics, and skepticism. Seems like business as usual.
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freetoken Wed, May 1, 2013 3:36:28pm |
re: #112 Walking Spanish Down the Hall
Sad that Phil is going this way
It’s more a case, in this instance, of trying to wrap up too neatly a position when the reality is much more sticky and fractured.
The claim of a “Repbulican war on science” has some merit to it. However, that doesn’t mean all aspects of all Republican legislation is all war-on-science all the time.
Plait (and others the past couple of days) did that to the latest Rep. Lamar Smith brouhaha. Yes, Smith is a bit of a quack, and downright flake at times. But his latest effort is more sophisticated than Plait (and others) acknowledge.
Smith has wrapped up some arguably actual anti-science sentiment by (1) reducing the role of peer-review in the NSF funding process. But what Plait (and others) aren’t acknowledging is that Smith has enveloped this in a larger, and legitimate, proposition that government funding should be reviewed in regards to the return to the taxpayer in the sense of a project being for the welfare of the country.
Plait ignores that, probably because the defense of the idea that taxpayers’ money must be spent only in accordance to the principles framed in the Constitution is by definition valid.
IOW, arguing that “validity” of science ought to be decided by the peers of the field in question is quite different than arguing that the government ought to then pay for it.
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Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts Wed, May 1, 2013 3:38:16pm |
re: #117 RadicalModerate
Dual citizenship. He lived in Canada for the first four years of his life, as both parents were in Canada on work visas.
And once again, his father was NOT a US Citizen, but was a citizen of Cuba, who had left during the 1950s as a refugee.
I’m sorry, that doesn’t mean that he’s not a natural born citizen.
Helpfully, the Congressional Research Service gathered all of the information relevant to Cruz’s case a few years ago, at the height (nadir?) of Obama birtherism. In short, the Constitution says that the president must be a natural-born citizen. “The weight of scholarly legal and historical opinion appears to support the notion that ‘natural born Citizen’ means one who is entitled under the Constitution or laws of the United States to U.S. citizenship ‘at birth’ or ‘by birth,’ including any child born ‘in’ the United States, the children of United States citizens born abroad, and those born abroad of one citizen parents who has met U.S. residency requirements,” the CRS’s Jack Maskell wrote. So in short: Cruz is a citizen; Cruz is not naturalized; therefore Cruz is a natural-born citizen, and in any case his mother is a citizen. You can read the CRS memo at bottom; here’s a much longer and more detailed 2011 version.
I’m still a natural-born citizen even though I could claim Israeli citizenship.
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GeneJockey Wed, May 1, 2013 3:43:05pm |
re: #83 freetoken
Maybe it’s just me getting older, but it seems of late that there is a rise of simplistic and fallacious arguments becoming the norm in public discourse, from blogs to news”papers”.
Really obvious ones too, but most frustrating is the rhetorical use of hiding some conclusion wrapped inside a an argument for a large issue.
IOW, and for example, someone will bundle together propositions A, B, C, and D, with one of them, say C, clearly fallacious, but the overall package is sold (often on the basis of emotional rhetoric) as true, and even if A, B, and D are indeed good arguments, hiding C in there to get the reader/listener to buy the package and just accept the falsehood.
This is one of the oldest games in the book, of course. Politicians do it all the time. What I find increasingly irritated is when it is now becoming normative.
Perhaps it our advertising-crafted society, where we’ve just become too accustomed to “being sold” and have internalized the crafts of Madison Ave. Now we are all skilled is the arts of the sales-job.
The selling is made much easier by the fact that the primary audience WANTS TO BELIEVE!!!!, and is really only looking for confirmation. They thus apply no intellectual rigor to evaluating the claims, because they sound good.
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freetoken Wed, May 1, 2013 3:44:08pm |
Many science writers want to duck the whole issue of why the taxpayer ought to fund this or that research project.
This is not a new problem.
Pretending it doesn’t exist doesn’t make it go away.
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BLUE POINT 09 Wed, May 1, 2013 3:44:19pm |
Tried posting this earlier on my ipad. Didn’t work. Glenn Beck and His Fake Tears and Missing Brain. Dick.
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Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts Wed, May 1, 2013 3:44:31pm |
I just answered the phone “Bert’s House of Beef” because I thought it was my friend Julien calling. Then my heart sank when I heard a confused woman’s voice and thought, “Oh shit, I just pranked one of my wife’s professors or something” but then she said “I’m sorry, I was trying to call the post office. My apologies.”
It was a prank that wasn’t, in the end. It doesn’t matter that I’m not Bert’s House of Beef. For all intents and purposes, I am Bert’s House of Beef.
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Mattand Wed, May 1, 2013 3:46:57pm |
re: #121 freetoken
I’d be curious to see a link to the “nuanced” approach Smith is supposedly advocating.
This probably illustrates what you’re complaining about, but quite frankly, I think it’s insane to think a Republican AGW denier can be trusted with science.
Not every science project needs to be funded with public money, but Republicans are the guys doing shit like pushing creationism as science. What possible reason would one have to trust them?
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thedopefishlives Wed, May 1, 2013 3:47:11pm |
re: #126 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut
I just answered the phone “Bert’s House of Beef” because I thought it was my friend Julien calling. Then my heart sank when I heard a confused woman’s voice and thought, “Oh shit, I just pranked one of my wife’s professors or something” but then she said “I’m sorry, I was trying to call the post office. My apologies.”
It was a prank that wasn’t, in the end. It doesn’t matter that I’m not Bert’s House of Beef. For all intents and purposes, I am Bert’s House of Beef.
My wife got me in the habit of answering the phone with “Domino’s Pizza” when family calls. It really threw my mother-in-law for a loop when I did it to her once, though.
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Kragar Wed, May 1, 2013 3:47:51pm |
re: #126 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut
I just answered the phone “Bert’s House of Beef” because I thought it was my friend Julien calling. Then my heart sank when I heard a confused woman’s voice and thought, “Oh shit, I just pranked one of my wife’s professors or something” but then she said “I’m sorry, I was trying to call the post office. My apologies.”
It was a prank that wasn’t, in the end. It doesn’t matter that I’m not Bert’s House of Beef. For all intents and purposes, I am Bert’s House of Beef.
A buddy of mine used to answer the phone, “Comm Battalion Help Desk, PFC Chewbacca speaking, how can I help you?”
No one ever caught him.
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Vicious Babushka Wed, May 1, 2013 3:48:13pm |
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BLUE POINT 09 Wed, May 1, 2013 3:48:19pm |
re: #126 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut
I’m sometimes Papadopoulos Pizza and Pastrami. What Choo Want?
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freetoken Wed, May 1, 2013 3:48:34pm |
re: #127 Mattand
I’d be curious to see a link to the “nuanced” approach Smith is supposedly advocating.
It’s not so much nuanced as crafted like a politician.
Sort of like when politicians wrap themselves in the flag.
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Mattand Wed, May 1, 2013 3:50:29pm |
re: #132 freetoken
It’s not so much nuanced as crafted like a politician.
Sort of like when politicians wrap themselves in the flag.
LOL, with that description, I’m inclined to side with Plaitt!
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freetoken Wed, May 1, 2013 3:52:00pm |
re: #127 Mattand
Science mag had an article a few days ago:
[…]
ScienceInsider has obtained a copy of the legislation, labeled “Discussion Draft” and dated 18 April, which has begun to circulate among members of Congress and science lobbyists. In effect, the proposed bill would force NSF to adopt three criteria in judging every grant. Specifically, the draft would require the NSF director to post on NSF’s Web site, prior to any award, a declaration that certifies the research is:
1) “… in the interests of the United States to advance the national health, prosperity, or welfare, and to secure the national defense by promoting the progress of science;
2) “… the finest quality, is groundbreaking, and answers questions or solves problems that are of utmost importance to society at large; and
3) “… not duplicative of other research projects being funded by the Foundation or other Federal science agencies.”
NSF’s current guidelines ask reviewers to consider the “intellectual merit” of a proposed research project as well as its “broader impacts” on the scientific community and society.
[…]
I was going to write on it at the time, but I figured it would either die on the vine, or the science blogosphere would run with it (which some did.)
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EPR-radar Wed, May 1, 2013 3:53:37pm |
re: #127 Mattand
I’d be curious to see a link to the “nuanced” approach Smith is supposedly advocating.
This probably illustrates what you’re complaining about, but quite frankly, I think it’s insane to think a Republican AGW denier can be trusted with science.
Not every science project needs to be funded with public money, but Republicans are the guys doing shit like pushing creationism as science. What possible reason would one have to trust them?
Agreed. The GOP ‘brand’ is in the toilet, where 20+ years of diligent GOP effort have put it. I think reflex opposition is a perfectly reasonable initial position to take with respect to all ideas put forth by the GOP of today.
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Kragar Wed, May 1, 2013 3:56:02pm |
Conspiracy theorist Alex Jones went on a rambling, transphobic rant during his radio show, warning that protecting the rights of transgender people will cause them to start “vomiting and crapping all over the place.”
During the April 30 edition of his radio show, Jones launched a screed against the “globalist mafia,” which he blamed for efforts to reduce discrimination against transgender people. After claiming that he isn’t bothered by transgender people – but that their “fake rights” don’t exist – Jones warned that “transvestites” would “throw up all over the walls” in public bathrooms. He continued by peddling a number of outrageous, damaging stereotypes about transgender people:
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GeneJockey Wed, May 1, 2013 3:56:54pm |
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wrenchwench Wed, May 1, 2013 3:57:39pm |
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freetoken Wed, May 1, 2013 3:57:43pm |
Here’s the recent letter from Lamar Smith, sounding like the old “Golden Fleece” Proxmire of years ago:
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Mattand Wed, May 1, 2013 3:58:17pm |
re: #134 freetoken
Science mag had an article a few days ago:
I was going to write on it at the time, but I figured it would either die on the vine, or the science blogosphere would run with it (which some did.)
I forget where I read it, but someone pointed out the huge problem with #2. From what I’ve read, how the hell are you supposed to know the research you’re working on is groundbreaking? Most people don’t know until years after it’s done.
Look at the fruit fly research that Sarah Palin was mocking. Maybe it’ll lead to something down the road. But if idiots like her have their way, it’d be cancelled ASAP.
And quite frankly, this wording wouldn’t stop morons like the Discovery Institute claiming they have “ground breaking” research in the field of intelligent design. What Republican is going to have the spine to call that for what it is: religion masquerading as science.
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Decatur Deb Wed, May 1, 2013 3:58:42pm |
re: #136 Kragar
So that was transgenders blowing out the latrine every Saturday night? Just thought it was troops getting back from the Louisville bars.
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Romantic Heretic Wed, May 1, 2013 4:00:32pm |
re: #103 Charles Johnson
Ted Cruz actually has dual nationality, I believe. He can also claim Canadian citizenship.
We don’t want him. He’s all yours.
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freetoken Wed, May 1, 2013 4:00:36pm |
Patagonia?
Why would American taxpayers want to pay for research in “Patagonia”? Is it anywhere near the Pentagon?
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Mattand Wed, May 1, 2013 4:01:50pm |
re: #143 freetoken
Patagonia?
Why would American taxpayers want to pay for research in “Patagonia”? Is it anywhere near the Pentagon?
Tell ‘em it’s in the Bible somewhere. That should guarantee funding for decades.
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engineer cat Wed, May 1, 2013 4:02:01pm |
re: #126 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts
I just answered the phone “Bert’s House of Beef” because I thought it was my friend Julien calling. Then my heart sank when I heard a confused woman’s voice and thought, “Oh shit, I just pranked one of my wife’s professors or something” but then she said “I’m sorry, I was trying to call the post office. My apologies.”
It was a prank that wasn’t, in the end. It doesn’t matter that I’m not Bert’s House of Beef. For all intents and purposes, I am Bert’s House of Beef.
since my house is known to my friends as the Bear Cabin, when i still had a land line i used to answer the phone “International House of Bears!”
remember to use a bright and cheerful tone of voice whenever doing this for added verisimilitude
it was very practical since at that time my landline had become the people-asking-for-money line. when they figured they had reached a business, they hung up promptly and with no begging and pleading
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freetoken Wed, May 1, 2013 4:02:22pm |
re: #144 Mattand
Tell ‘em it’s in the Bible somewhere. That should guarantee funding for decades.
It’s not near Czechoslovakia, from where the latest terrorist came, is it?
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GeneJockey Wed, May 1, 2013 4:02:52pm |
re: #143 freetoken
Patagonia?
Isn’t that where the Original Dread Pirate Roberts is retired and living like a king?
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Decatur Deb Wed, May 1, 2013 4:03:20pm |
re: #146 freetoken
It’s not near Czechoslovakia, from where the latest terrorist came, is it?
The Penguinistas are operating there.
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Mattand Wed, May 1, 2013 4:03:59pm |
re: #148 Decatur Deb
The Penguinistas are operating there.
Batman’ll take out in no time.
WAUGH WAUGH WAUGH!!!!
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EPR-radar Wed, May 1, 2013 4:04:07pm |
re: #145 engineer cat
I’ve never had the nerve to go for something truly out there, like answering the phone with “Welcome to the House of Pain, how may I help you?”
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Decatur Deb Wed, May 1, 2013 4:05:53pm |
re: #150 EPR-radar
I’ve never had the nerve to go for something truly out there, like answering the phone with “Welcome to the House of Pain, how may I help you?”
Crazy Pittsburgh uncle used to use: “City morgue, you stab ‘em, we slab ‘em.” The Googler assures me he wasn’t original.
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EPR-radar Wed, May 1, 2013 4:07:09pm |
re: #139 freetoken
The Chair of the House science committee uses his position to indulge in some good old-fashioned all-American know-nothingism.
Another ‘good Republican’ in action.
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GeneJockey Wed, May 1, 2013 4:10:15pm |
re: #121 freetoken
It’s more a case, in this instance, of trying to wrap up too neatly a position when the reality is much more sticky and fractured.
The claim of a “Repbulican war on science” has some merit to it. However, that doesn’t mean all aspects of all Republican legislation is all war-on-science all the time.
Plait (and others the past couple of days) did that to the latest Rep. Lamar Smith brouhaha. Yes, Smith is a bit of a quack, and downright flake at times. But his latest effort is more sophisticated than Plait (and others) acknowledge.
Smith has wrapped up some arguably actual anti-science sentiment by (1) reducing the role of peer-review in the NSF funding process. But what Plait (and others) aren’t acknowledging is that Smith has enveloped this in a larger, and legitimate, proposition that government funding should be reviewed in regards to the return to the taxpayer in the sense of a project being for the welfare of the country.
Plait ignores that, probably because the defense of the idea that taxpayers’ money must be spent only in accordance to the principles framed in the Constitution is by definition valid.
IOW, arguing that “validity” of science ought to be decided by the peers of the field in question is quite different than arguing that the government ought to then pay for it.
I don’t see where the Constitution weighs in either way. It’s Constitutional for the Congress to authorize NSF to spend funds as it (NSF) wishes or as it (Congress) wishes, or it’s not Constitutional for Congress to fund the NSF at all.
The Constitution doesn’t mention funding basic or applied research, which kind of takes the matter out of the Constitutional arena and puts it into the “What kind of society do we want to have?” arena.
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freetoken Wed, May 1, 2013 4:11:11pm |
re: #152 EPR-radar
Yes, but not to sound too much like a MBF, but Bill Proxmire was a Democrat.
Many in the science community would rather avoid the issue of having to sell the customer on why said customer ought to buy the project in question. Again and again you’ll read on blogs of scientists or those in training complaining about grant proposal writing.
Yet it is important.
Even if something is valid in the sense of good research does not mean someone else ought to pay for it.
In these times of budget wars everyone has to defend their slice of the pie, including all those researchers depending upon the NSF.
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EPR-radar Wed, May 1, 2013 4:11:18pm |
re: #121 freetoken
Even sensible issues (e.g., what policies does it really make sense to have in place for federal funding of research) are tainted beyond repair if they are raised by the likes of Lamar Smith.
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Backwoods_Sleuth Wed, May 1, 2013 4:15:57pm |
re: #151 Decatur Deb
Crazy Pittsburgh uncle used to use: “City morgue, you stab ‘em, we slab ‘em.” The Googler assures me he wasn’t original.
and oldie but a goodie! I remember using that back in the ’70s.
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Decatur Deb Wed, May 1, 2013 4:16:44pm |
re: #156 Backwoods_Sleuth
and oldie but a goodie! I remember using that back in the ’70s.
He was at it in the 50s.
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freetoken Wed, May 1, 2013 4:16:54pm |
He’s back:
Mitt Romney to grads: Get hitched and have a ‘quiverful’ of kids
SVU is a small gig, though.
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Mattand Wed, May 1, 2013 4:17:53pm |
re: #150 EPR-radar
I’ve never had the nerve to go for something truly out there, like answering the phone with “Welcome to the House of Pain, how may I help you?”
I still occasionally answer “The King of All Cartoonists.” Surprisingly, most people find it funny.
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engineer cat Wed, May 1, 2013 4:19:11pm |
re: #158 freetoken
He’s back:
Mitt Romney to grads: Get hitched and have a ‘quiverful’ of kids
he has the same ear for common idiomatic american speech that bush senior had when he asked for a “splash” of coffee
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Kragar Wed, May 1, 2013 4:20:40pm |
re: #158 freetoken
He’s back:
Mitt Romney to grads: Get hitched and have a ‘quiverful’ of kids
SVU is a small gig, though.
Did he tell them to borrow $20-30k from their parents again?
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thedopefishlives Wed, May 1, 2013 4:22:09pm |
re: #158 freetoken
He’s back:
Mitt Romney to grads: Get hitched and have a ‘quiverful’ of kids
SVU is a small gig, though.
Quiverful. Even the mention of the word makes me want to punch him in the face.
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EPR-radar Wed, May 1, 2013 4:22:13pm |
re: #154 freetoken
Yes, but not to sound too much like a MBF, but Bill Proxmire was a Democrat.
Many in the science community would rather avoid the issue of having to sell the customer on why said customer ought to buy the project in question. Again and again you’ll read on blogs of scientists or those in training complaining about grant proposal writing.
Yet it is important.
Even if something is valid in the sense of good research does not mean someone else ought to pay for it.
In these times of budget wars everyone has to defend their slice of the pie, including all those researchers depending upon the NSF.
IMO, Congress has no business getting into the detail of what gets funding and why —- they don’t have the expertise for making case by case decisions, and there is an irresistible temptation for Congresscritters to grandstand about how the taxpayer dollars are being wasted on something that is easy for know-nothings to mock from the title or abstract.
Congress is entitled to expect that funding agency decisions are professionally made. Lamar Smith’s letter does not seem to be a step in that direction.
With respect to selling technical work, it should not be necessary to sell the importance of doing basic research to a funding agency with that as its mission. It is necessary to sell specific proposals as being the kind of work that fits with the mission of the funding agency.
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freetoken Wed, May 1, 2013 4:24:45pm |
Oh, look at what the current TX AG, and possible next TX governor candidate, says:
Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott trumpeting conservative credentials
[…]
With FreedomWorks activists, Abbott talked of not losing faith after an oak tree fell and crushed his legs in a jogging accident, requiring him to use a wheelchair. He highlighted his beating back a push to remove the Ten Commandments from a monument on the state Capitol grounds, and to keep “one nation, under God” in the Pledge of Allegiance.
Many of the loudest cheers came, though, when Abbott promised to defend the Second Amendment, noting that he wrote a letter to Obama saying he would file lawsuit No. 26 if a recent UN treaty gets ratified in the U.S. “However bad it may be that the United States government may take your guns,” he said, “far worse would be the United States of America authorizing the United Nations to take your guns.”
An audience member asked Abbott about Facebook rumors Federal Emergency Management Agency officials was going door-to-door in an area damaged by the massive fertilizer plant explosion that killed 14 people in West and confiscating guns.“If that’s true it’s completely reprehensible,” Abbott said, adding that he may sue.
[…]
Wingnuts on steroids.
In office.
In Texas.
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freetoken Wed, May 1, 2013 4:26:49pm |
re: #164 EPR-radar
With respect to selling technical work, it should not be necessary to sell the importance of doing basic research to a funding agency with that as its mission.
But the funding agency must sell its portfolio to Congress for the funds.
This is a problem lamented now for several decades. Science research in many fields has become wholly dependent upon federal research money.
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freetoken Wed, May 1, 2013 4:28:14pm |
How to get a cheer in Texas:
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engineer cat Wed, May 1, 2013 4:28:23pm |
Glenn Beck Frantically
is there anything that glen beck does not do frantically?
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Backwoods_Sleuth Wed, May 1, 2013 4:28:35pm |
re: #161 engineer cat
That “quiver” stuff is a fundy thing.
Like the Duggars.
But Mormons are big on that too.
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thedopefishlives Wed, May 1, 2013 4:31:03pm |
re: #169 Backwoods_Sleuth
That “quiver” stuff is a fundy thing.
Like the Duggars.
But Mormons are big on that too.
Yeah, it’s a big thing in the fundamentalist circles I run in. Anti-birth-control, and they look down on women who refuse to pop out babies every 9 months. One of them essentially tried to slut-shame my mom because she had her tubes tied after severe complications having me. Needless to say, I didn’t take it well and I’ve been on bad terms with the quiverful crowd ever since.
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freetoken Wed, May 1, 2013 4:31:44pm |
Oh, look who got invited to speak at a military base:
Fort Leonard Wood prayer day speaker riles church-state advocates
At least three church-state watchdog groups have asked the Defense Department to intervene in a prayer event Thursday at Fort Leonard Wood.
The groups asked Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel to cancel a planned speech by David Barton, an evangelical Christian minister, discredited historian and conservative political operative.
[…]
At least the St. Louis Post-Dispatch calls Barton what he is.
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freetoken Wed, May 1, 2013 4:32:38pm |
Further:
In a statement, Barton told the Post-Dispatch he “regularly speaks to events at all branches of American military installations” and “presents accounts of the long historical record of the involvement of faith and prayer in the lives of the American military and military leaders over the past two centuries.”
Really?
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Walking Spanish Down the Hall Wed, May 1, 2013 4:32:39pm |
re: #151 Decatur Deb
Crazy Pittsburgh uncle used to use: “City morgue, you stab ‘em, we slab ‘em.” The Googler assures me he wasn’t original.
City morgue and bistro, you stab ‘em, we slab ‘em.
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dragonath Wed, May 1, 2013 4:36:17pm |
re: #163 thedopefishlives
Quiverful. Even the mention of the word makes me want to punch him in the face.
From wiki:
Quiverfull is a movement among some conservative evangelical Protestant couples chiefly in the United States, but with some adherents in Canada,[1] Australia, New Zealand, Britain and elsewhere.[2] It promotes procreation, and sees children as a blessing from God,[2][3][4] eschewing all forms of birth control, including natural family planning and sterilization.[5][6]
Creepy as fuck.
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freetoken Wed, May 1, 2013 4:36:59pm |
Things to make you go bwahahahahaha….
A day of highs, lows on 1st Congressional District campaign trail
Tuesday was a day of highs and lows for 1st Congressional District candidate Mark Sanford: Nationally recognized fiscal conservative and possible presidential contender Rand Paul endorsed his campaign, but an online dating website plastered his face on a billboard to promote extramarital affairs.
[…]
Meanwhile, AshleyMadison.com, a dating website for married people looking to cheat, highlighted a different part of Sanford’s history.The Toronto-based company put up a new billboard along Interstate 26 at mile marker 137 near Columbia — outside the 1st District. It features a smiling picture of Sanford with the words, “Next time use … AshleyMadison.com to find your ‘running mate.’ ” The sign refers to Sanford’s 2009 admission to an extramarital affair with Maria Belen Chapur, an Argentinian woman who is now his fiancee.
Noel Biderman, AshelyMadison.com founder and CEO, said Tuesday the company applauds Sanford’s return to politics as evidence that quality leaders still have something to contribute to society following a stumble in their private lives.
[…]
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Shiplord Kirel Wed, May 1, 2013 4:37:49pm |
re: #158 freetoken
He’s back:
Mitt Romney to grads: Get hitched and have a ‘quiverful’ of kids
SVU is a small gig, though.
Sorry Mitt, my children are not weapons, formidable though they are. My younger daughter in particular can incinerate whole cornfields full of right-wing strawmen, exterminate entire species of their weasel words, and vaporize complete armadas of their fragile fabrications.
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GeneJockey Wed, May 1, 2013 4:39:24pm |
re: #154 freetoken
Many in the science community would rather avoid the issue of having to sell the customer on why said customer ought to buy the project in question. Again and again you’ll read on blogs of scientists or those in training complaining about grant proposal writing.
Yet it is important.
I’m not comfortable with the concept of a ‘customer’ for noncommercial research projects. Science moves forward because lots of people do things that don’t “answers questions or solves problems that are of utmost importance to society at large”, but rather push back the limits of what is known.
Later, some of what has been discovered will turn out to “[answer] questions or [solve] problems that are of utmost importance to society at large”, but that’s not the purpose of basic research.
Even if something is valid in the sense of good research does not mean someone else ought to pay for it.
I can tell you in no uncertain terms, after 30 years in the business end of science that companies will not pay for anything like the amount of basic research that is needed to keep us moving forward.
30 years ago, nobody cared about a set of obscure viruses with RNA genomes. No Pharma companies were working on them. Luckily, the Gov’t was funding research into them when AIDS hit.
In these times of budget wars everyone has to defend their slice of the pie, including all those researchers depending upon the NSF.
The budget wars are the problem, not the research.
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dragonath Wed, May 1, 2013 4:39:47pm |
re: #170 thedopefishlives
Yeah, it’s a big thing in the fundamentalist circles I run in. Anti-birth-control, and they look down on women who refuse to pop out babies every 9 months. One of them essentially tried to slut-shame my mom because she had her tubes tied after severe complications having me. Needless to say, I didn’t take it well and I’ve been on bad terms with the quiverful crowd ever since.
I remember reading in the NYT about some guy who got publicly harassed in Nigeria for having a vasectomy… something about transgressing God’s Will or something.
Breed for the Bearded Dude?
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engineer cat Wed, May 1, 2013 4:41:09pm |
re: #169 Backwoods_Sleuth
That “quiver” stuff is a fundy thing.
Like the Duggars.
But Mormons are big on that too.
huh
‘quiverfull’, eh?
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GeneJockey Wed, May 1, 2013 4:41:09pm |
re: #166 freetoken
Science research in many fields has become wholly dependent upon federal research money.
Nobody else will fund it, and it’s vital to society. Isn’t that why we HAVE governments?
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EPR-radar Wed, May 1, 2013 4:41:16pm |
re: #166 freetoken
But the funding agency must sell its portfolio to Congress for the funds.
This is a problem lamented now for several decades. Science research in many fields has become wholly dependent upon federal research money.
I guess my main point is that if Congress is going to bother to have something like the NSF in the first place, chewing on it the way Lamar Smith is doing over tiny little details seems entirely useless.
As a country, we either fund things like the NSF, or we do not. Congress gets to decide yes/no, and if yes, what the funding will be.
Congress has no business getting into the details. I still remember the travesty of Stanford’s president getting hauled into Congress in the 90s for a witch hunt about the “yacht funded with taxpayer dollars”.
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thedopefishlives Wed, May 1, 2013 4:42:50pm |
re: #174 dragonath
Creepy as fuck.
It’s the anti-birth-control movement taken to its logical extreme. They can be extremely creepy when they decide to wax polemic on how enjoyable it is to be baby-making machines and how everybody should do the same. All of the ones I know are either millionaires or on government support.
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EPR-radar Wed, May 1, 2013 4:43:07pm |
re: #177 GeneJockey
It is worth noting that basic research used to happen at some big companies (e.g., Bell Labs etc.), but that model is pretty much extinct these days.
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AlexRogan Wed, May 1, 2013 4:43:12pm |
re: #126 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts
I just answered the phone “Bert’s House of Beef” because I thought it was my friend Julien calling. Then my heart sank when I heard a confused woman’s voice and thought, “Oh shit, I just pranked one of my wife’s professors or something” but then she said “I’m sorry, I was trying to call the post office. My apologies.”
It was a prank that wasn’t, in the end. It doesn’t matter that I’m not Bert’s House of Beef. For all intents and purposes, I am Bert’s House of Beef.
re: #128 thedopefishlives
My wife got me in the habit of answering the phone with “Domino’s Pizza” when family calls. It really threw my mother-in-law for a loop when I did it to her once, though.
re: #129 Kragar
A buddy of mine used to answer the phone, “Comm Battalion Help Desk, PFC Chewbacca speaking, how can I help you?”
No one ever caught him.
I’ve been known to answer calls from friends and family with “Roscoe’s Chicken & Waffles”.
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freetoken Wed, May 1, 2013 4:43:25pm |
re: #177 GeneJockey
Science moves forward because lots of people do things that don’t “answers questions or solves problems that are of utmost importance to society at large”, but rather push back the limits of what is known.
Ok.
Even accepting that as true, that does not mean other people have to pay for it.
This is the knotty problem for anyone who goes to Washington with their hands out.
Researchers are competing against the the rest of society that goes to Congress asking for taxpayers money.
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engineer cat Wed, May 1, 2013 4:43:32pm |
re: #180 GeneJockey
Nobody else will fund it, and it’s vital to society. Isn’t that why we HAVE governments?
i think the wingnut social studies textbooks say that ‘government was invented in ancient times by socialist sumerians to oppress christians’
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, May 1, 2013 4:44:11pm |
re: #151 Decatur Deb
Crazy Pittsburgh uncle used to use: “City morgue, you stab ‘em, we slab ‘em.” The Googler assures me he wasn’t original.
I always liked using “Clancy’s Bar & Grill” because there really was one in town.
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dragonath Wed, May 1, 2013 4:44:53pm |
re: #182 thedopefishlives
All of the ones I know are either millionaires or on government support.
Hiya Mitt!
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freetoken Wed, May 1, 2013 4:48:15pm |
Michelle Bachmann’s campaign, the gift that keeps on giving:
Iowa panel seeks investigation of ethics charges
An Iowa Senate ethics panel voted Wednesday to seek a special investigator to review charges that a state senator was indirectly paid for working on Republican Michele Bachmann’s presidential campaign, an arrangement that could violate Senate rules.
[…]
Two former staffers for Bachmann’s 2012 presidential campaign have said that [Iowa state senator] Sorenson was indirectly paid for campaign work for the Minnesota congresswoman. Andy Parrish, who was Bachmann’s chief of staff and later served on her Iowa campaign, gave the ethics committee an affidavit accusing Sorenson of seeking compensation and agreeing to a deal to have a Bachmann supporter-run company pay him $7,500 a month.
[…]
So, the former campaign director admits paying $7500/mo to get an Iowa politician to work back doors for them, apparently in contradiction to rules of Iowa senate.
Aren’t there still Bachmann campaign workers who are still complaining of not getting paid?
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dragonath Wed, May 1, 2013 4:48:44pm |
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GeneJockey Wed, May 1, 2013 4:49:19pm |
re: #185 freetoken
Ok.
Even accepting that as true, that does not mean other people have to pay for it.
So, Science should be done by wealthy eccentrics?
This is the knotty problem for anyone who goes to Washington with their hands out.
Researchers are competing against the the rest of society that goes to Congress asking for taxpayers money.
Again, it goes to what kind of society do we want to have. If we want an economy that slowly withers away from lack of innovation while being overtaken by other countries that DO fund basic research, well, we as a society are certainly free to make that choice.
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gwangung Wed, May 1, 2013 4:51:49pm |
re: #185 freetoken
Ok.
Even accepting that as true, that does not mean other people have to pay for it.
Why not?
Please defend that position.
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AlexRogan Wed, May 1, 2013 4:52:44pm |
re: #163 thedopefishlives
Quiverful. Even the mention of the word makes me want to punch him in the face.
The hardcore conservative “Christian soldiers” have gone from having an arms race against the USSR in the Cold War to exhorting their fellow travelers to “be fruitful and multiply” in an attempt to have an arms race of sorts against SCARY BROWN MEXICANS AND MUSLIMS.
Romney is just exploiting that for fun and profit; doesn’t he just have his two sons?
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freetoken Wed, May 1, 2013 4:53:27pm |
re: #192 gwangung
Why not?
Please defend that position.
Nope. The onus is upon those who originally assert something.
In this case, it is those who assert “I deserve your money, because I am a researcher.”
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gwangung Wed, May 1, 2013 4:53:45pm |
re: #191 GeneJockey
So, Science should be done by wealthy eccentrics?
Again, it goes to what kind of society do we want to have. If we want an economy that slowly withers away from lack of innovation while being overtaken by other countries that DO fund basic research, well, we as a society are certainly free to make that choice.
The nature of current business practice emphasizes quarterly returns. That, to me, seems antithetical to the nature of basic and long term research.
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gwangung Wed, May 1, 2013 4:54:28pm |
re: #194 freetoken
Nope. The onus is upon those who originally assert something.
Acutally, no. The money is there, it is being allocated. And has been for decades.
YOU need to defend YOUR assertion, which is a change from how things have been done.
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EPR-radar Wed, May 1, 2013 4:54:41pm |
re: #191 GeneJockey
So, Science should be done by wealthy eccentrics?
Again, it goes to what kind of society do we want to have. If we want an economy that slowly withers away from lack of innovation while being overtaken by other countries that DO fund basic research, well, we as a society are certainly free to make that choice.
THIS. It should not require a constant selling job from the funding agencies to Congress to justify their existence by reminding Congress of this basic reality.
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Vicious Babushka Wed, May 1, 2013 4:57:38pm |
re: #169 Backwoods_Sleuth
That “quiver” stuff is a fundy thing.
Like the Duggars.
But Mormons are big on that too.
Well I have 9 kids but the word “quiver” just creeps me right out.
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Vicious Babushka Wed, May 1, 2013 5:01:15pm |
Donald Trump doubles down on teh racist Derp
”@shiveringgoat: @realdonaldtrump These poor guys were PROVEN INNOCENT!Oh really,weren’t these “poor guys” mugging other people in Park?— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) May 1, 2013
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freetoken Wed, May 1, 2013 5:01:47pm |
re: #196 gwangung
Nope. Not going to play your game.
The money is NOT there. It is raised every year (through taxes or borrowing), and spent every year (Constitutionally) and in recent times very erratically so (what with government “shutdowns”, sequesters, etc.)
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Vicious Babushka Wed, May 1, 2013 5:03:18pm |
DON’T DEBUNK MUH DERP!!11!! LALALALA I CANT HERE U!!1111
If you consider an article from @mmfa or @thinkprogressas factually correct, just STFU. Really…STFU #tcot #tgdn #p2— Carmine Siccero (@CarmineSiccero) May 2, 2013
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gwangung Wed, May 1, 2013 5:03:57pm |
re: #201 freetoken
Nope. Not going to play your game.
Nor will I play your game.
You keep saying that it’s my job to justify. Why?
You’re not answering questions about your position. What made your position privileged? This is OUR country, right?
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Decatur Deb Wed, May 1, 2013 5:04:58pm |
re: #200 Vicious Babushka
Tomorrow is the Reform temple’s Deli Day. They produce a nice sandwich and pickle, flown or trucked in from Atlanta or someplace that knows about such things.
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GeneJockey Wed, May 1, 2013 5:05:01pm |
Look at it this way - there are two ways society does things - consciously, through government; and unconsciously, through the market.
We as a society value good roads, police and fire protection, education, etc., but our collective buying decisions won’t build roads, pay police and firefighters, or teachers.
Those things the market won’t do, which society still wants done, are what government is for. Basic research is one of those things. If a society deems basic research as necessary or desirable, and the market won’t pay for it (and trust me, it won’t), then government needs to.
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AlexRogan Wed, May 1, 2013 5:05:18pm |
re: #198 Vicious Babushka
Well I have 9 kids but the word “quiver” just creeps me right out.
“Quiverfull”, to me, is meant to have that martial meaning, one’s children being God’s arrows, just as the Bible and one’s faith is the armor of God.
I’m sorry, but I can’t help seeing Quiverfull families like the Duggars without thinking that the parents are RWNJ wackos.
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dragonath Wed, May 1, 2013 5:05:59pm |
re: #198 Vicious Babushka
Well I have 9 kids but the word “quiver” just creeps me right out.
It’s creepy because fundie weirdos describe their families with intentionally militaristic metaphors.
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Vicious Babushka Wed, May 1, 2013 5:07:45pm |
re: #207 dragonath
It’s creepy because fundie weirdos describe their families with intentionally militaristic metaphors.
We Zionist Overlords do not feel the need for such lame posturing.
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GeneJockey Wed, May 1, 2013 5:08:50pm |
re: #206 AlexRogan
“Quiverfull”, to me, is meant to have that martial meaning, one’s children being God’s arrows, just as the Bible and one’s faith is the armor of God.
I’m sorry, but I can’t help seeing Quiverfull families like the Duggars without thinking that the parents are RWNJ wackos.
Quivers are full of arrows. Arrows are what you shoot at the target, whether it’s an enemy or food. They are essentially ammunition - expendable. It’s not only martial, it’s creepy to refer to one’s children as expendable ammunition. Bad enough if they were thought of as “Soldiers in God’s Army’, but ammunition?
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Backwoods_Sleuth Wed, May 1, 2013 5:09:21pm |
re: #198 Vicious Babushka
Well I have 9 kids but the word “quiver” just creeps me right out.
I’m the oldest of seven, and “quiver” creeps me out too.
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dragonath Wed, May 1, 2013 5:10:55pm |
re: #209 GeneJockey
Arrows are what you pull from your quiver and shoot at the target, whether it’s an enemy or food. They are essentially ammunition - expendable. It’s not only martial, it’s creepy to refer to one’s children as expendable ammunition. Bad enough if they were thought of as “Soldiers in God’s Army’, but ammunition?
“The Gun is Good…”
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AlexRogan Wed, May 1, 2013 5:12:20pm |
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Decatur Deb Wed, May 1, 2013 5:13:03pm |
re: #209 GeneJockey
Quivers are full of arrows. Arrows are what you shoot at the target, whether it’s an enemy or food. They are essentially ammunition - expendable. It’s not only martial, it’s creepy to refer to one’s children as expendable ammunition. Bad enough if they were thought of as “Soldiers in God’s Army’, but ammunition?
“Hi I’d like you to meet the little lady, or as we call her: ‘Hi-cap Magazine.”
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Vicious Babushka Wed, May 1, 2013 5:13:35pm |
re: #210 Backwoods_Sleuth
I’m the oldest of seven, and “quiver” creeps me out too.
Well, the whole idea of having kids for (metaphorical) cannon fodder is just.. I can’t even…
Back when Zedushka and I made our decision to have a bunch of kids, we were strongly motivated by the population losses of the Holocaust. My kids do not feel that urgency, although they enjoy large families because that’s what they, and their spouses, are used to.
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GeneJockey Wed, May 1, 2013 5:14:47pm |
re: #214 Vicious Babushka
Well, the whole idea of having kids for (metaphorical) cannon fodder is just.. I can’t even…
It’s worse - not cannon FODDER, cannon BALLS.
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AlexRogan Wed, May 1, 2013 5:16:33pm |
re: #213 Decatur Deb
“Hi I’d like you to meet the Little Lady, or as we call her ‘Hi-cap Magazine.”
You know, it wouldn’t surprise me if there are Quiverfullers who think and talk like that, at least in familiar company.
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EPR-radar Wed, May 1, 2013 5:17:07pm |
re: #214 Vicious Babushka
Well, the whole idea of having kids for (metaphorical) cannon fodder is just.. I can’t even…
…
The idea of a woman’s womb as (metaphorically) a repository of weapons is also a case where words fail…
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Decatur Deb Wed, May 1, 2013 5:17:31pm |
re: #216 AlexRogan
You know, it wouldn’t surprise me if there are Quiverfullers who think and talk like that, at least in familiar company.
Metaphors are a gateway drug.
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palomino Wed, May 1, 2013 5:18:02pm |
re: #98 Charles Johnson
I don’t think it’s actually ever been decided by a court. But most people seem to think that if one of the parents is a US citizen, their children are “natural born” citizens even if they’re born outside the US.
Mitt Romney’s dad George ran for Repub nod back in 1968. He was born in Mexico, and it wasn’t really much of an issue in the campaign. What killed George Romney’s campaign was foot in mouth, not Mom’s vagina in another country.
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AlexRogan Wed, May 1, 2013 5:18:54pm |
re: #217 EPR-radar
The idea of a woman’s womb as (metaphorically) a repository of weapons is also a case where words fail…
Well, the ladies do have the BANG BANG going on down there, ya know what I’m sayin’?
///
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HappyWarrior Wed, May 1, 2013 5:22:17pm |
re: #219 palomino
Mitt Romney’s dad George ran for Repub nod back in 1968. He was born in Mexico, and it wasn’t really much of an issue in the campaign. What killed George Romney’s campaign was foot in mouth, not Mom’s vagina in another country.
I think it’s a funny coincidence that both of Obama’s opponents have either been born out of the geographical US (McCain and I realize he was born in what is considered the US) and another (Romney) with a father who was a presidential candidate who was born outside of country. I really don’t care obviously but it’s a funny coincidence given the birthers. Of course, to a conspiracy theorist, the concidence is proof that Obama was in fact born in Kenya.
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chadu Wed, May 1, 2013 5:53:01pm |
re: #81 RadicalModerate
Something that I predicted would happen long ago:
Are you ready for President Ted Cruz?
Never mind the small fact that he’s Constitutionally barred from doing so, due to the small fact that he was born in Canada to a Cuban father and American mother.
He should have American citizenship through his mother.
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chadu Wed, May 1, 2013 5:56:01pm |
re: #108 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts
I may think the guy’s a smarmy bag of cockswaddle but that doesn’t mean I’m going to go birther.
Does mean a lot of Tea Party types might.
No, they wouldn’t. Because of that R after his name.
Did you see any Birthers arguing about McCain being born in/near the Panama Canal Zone in 2008?
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chadu Wed, May 1, 2013 6:00:31pm |
re: #149 Mattand
Batman’ll take out in no time.
WAUGH WAUGH WAUGH!!!!
Check this (Patton Oswalt as the Penguin) before AOL shuts down CA:
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S'latch Thu, May 2, 2013 5:44:15am |
Wow! For a few seconds, I almost thought I was watching Pat Robertson, except that Glenn Beck is slightly crazier.
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7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course) Thu, May 2, 2013 2:25:59pm |
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Quiverfull Magazine is Full. Lock & Load!
Well, the whole idea of having kids for (metaphorical) cannon fodder is just.. I can’t even…
Back when Zedushka and I made our decision to have a bunch of kids, we were strongly motivated by the population losses of the Holocaust. My kids do not feel that urgency, although they enjoy large families because that’s what they, and their spouses, are used to.
Alone in a Bathroom: The Fear and Uncertainty of a Post-Roe Medication Abortion Angel tucked two white pills into each side of her mouth, bracing herself as they began to dissolve. Her deepest fears and anxieties took over. Angel had wanted to talk to a doctor before she took the pills to ...
Cheechako
They Were Desperate to Get Pregnant. Then IVF Gave Them Extra Embryos. One morning last spring, Ashley Harrolle put her 1-year-old daughter down for a nap and went to the kitchen. She pulled up her fertility clinic’s contact information. It was time to make the call. In a freezer several hundred ... CheechakoJoe Bacon ✅
March FavoritesYou've seen these all already but looking back, just because. These are my favorite shots of this last month. That 1937 Zeiss Sonnar is such a gloriously wonderful bit of glass. Thanks for looking.
William Lewis
Russia’s New Combat Robots Blown Up by Drones Near Avdiivka When we landed on the moon, I thought about how science fiction had become real. Now, the robot wars have begun. It's more poignant somehow on the ground than in the missile wars we have in the air as ...
Rightwingconspirator
Why Did More Than 1,000 People Die After Police Subdued Them With Force That Isn’t Meant to Kill? An investigation led by The Associated Press has found that, over a decade, more than 1,000 people died after police subdued them through physical holds, stun guns, body blows and other force not intended to be lethal. More: Why ... CheechakoKGxvi
Abortions Outside Medical System Increased Sharply After Roe Fell, Study Finds The number of women using abortion pills to end their pregnancies on their own without the direct involvement of a U.S.-based medical provider rose sharply in the months after the Supreme Court eliminated a constitutional right to abortion, according ... Cheechako
Once Praised, the Settlement to Help Sickened BP Oil Spill Workers Leaves Most With Nearly Nothing When a deadly explosion destroyed BP’s Deepwater Horizon drilling rig in the Gulf of Mexico, 134 million gallons of crude erupted into the sea over the next three months — and tens of thousands of ordinary people were hired ... Cheechako
Texas County at Center of Border Fight Is Overwhelmed by Migrant Deaths EAGLE PASS, Tex. - The undertaker lighted a cigarette and held it between his latex-gloved fingers as he stood over the bloated body bag lying in the bed of his battered pickup truck. The woman had been fished out ... Cheechako
