Wingnut Persecution Complex of the Day: The Military Is Threatening to Court Martial Christians!

Good grief, what whiny morons
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Meanwhile, breitbart.com just keeps churning out the outrage fodder for the conservative religionists, with this ridiculous distorted article entitled: PENTAGON MAY COURT MARTIAL SOLDIERS WHO SHARE CHRISTIAN FAITH!!!

We notice that this silly piece of agit-prop is credited to a certain Ken Klukowski, whose name we haven’t noticed at Breitbart “News” before. But they should have put his bio section at the top of the article instead of the bottom, so we’d have known up front that we were dealing with a religious right fanatic and professional persecuted victim:

Breitbart News legal columnist Ken Klukowski is senior fellow for religious liberty with the Family Research Council and on faculty at Liberty University School of Law.

The premise of this article is a crusty shell of falsehoods and phony victimhood wrapped around a tiny kernel of truth, which you probably already knew because Breitbart. And that kernel of truth is not controversial, unless you’re a fanatic who believes it’s your natural right to promote your religion to everyone around you; the Department of Defense is simply reiterating that proselytizing in uniform is not permitted, for ANY faith.

This is nothing new, and they’re not threatening to “court martial Christians.” And there’s a reason this rule might need to be stressed occasionally — because of incidents like this:

In Aug. 2011, in a victory for trying to extricate religion from military business, the Air Force suspended a course called “Christian Just War Theory” — which had been required for missile officers at Vandenberg Air Force Base in California. The PowerPoint for the class drew heavily upon Bible passages and Christian imagery to teach morals and ethics of launching nuclear weapons. In the class students were taught based on a passage in the Book of Revelations that Jesus Christ is a “mighty warrior” who believed some wars to be just, according to Truthout.com which broke the story.

The separation of church and state is one of the most vital principles of American democracy, and the religious right is constantly trying to subvert it. Their outrage over this fake story is a good sign — it means they’re losing. As they should.

Also see
Boykin: ‘Liberal-Marxist Agenda’ Set to ‘Destroy Our Military’ | Right Wing Watch Breitbart Says Obama to Force Pentagon to Feed Christian Soldiers to Lions, More or Less

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357 comments
1 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 1, 2013 5:19:12pm

Christian fundamentalists acting like they’re being persecuted where there is no persecution, shocker! Seriously assholes, it’s the military of the United States of America not the United Christian Fundamentalist Military.

2 EPR-radar  Wed, May 1, 2013 5:19:42pm

Propaganda 101. “proselytization” in the article magically becomes “sharing” in the headline.

4 Decatur Deb  Wed, May 1, 2013 5:22:13pm

re: #2 EPR-radar

Propaganda 101. “proselytization” in the article magically becomes “sharing” in the headline.

I blame the 140 character Twitter limit.

5 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 1, 2013 5:22:32pm
6 GeneJockey  Wed, May 1, 2013 5:23:21pm

re: #5 Vicious Babushka

‘Cause you’re not really free unless you can make someone else less free.

7 Decatur Deb  Wed, May 1, 2013 5:23:50pm

re: #5 Vicious Babushka

I’m betting a lot of “Jack Meoff”s sign up.

8 team_fukit  Wed, May 1, 2013 5:24:27pm

re: #3 Vicious Babushka

Teh New Jooozs!

9 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 1, 2013 5:25:11pm

re: #6 GeneJockey

‘Cause you’re not really free unless you can make someone else less free.

Or tell them they’re a heathen because they believe in a different God, multiple gods, or no Gods at all. People like Fischer and the FRC have shown that they have no problem with discriminating against religious minorities within the military but when they’re told that they’re not allowed to shove their religious beliefs, it’s suddenly persecution. Bryan’s “concern” for the troops is laughable. I haven’t forgotten what the sob said about the man who won the CMOH a couple years back. He never apologized and on one in the right called him out for saying that saving people “feminized” the CMOH.

10 victor27  Wed, May 1, 2013 5:26:28pm

I put this on the other thread about the proselytizing story: AP reporting here, Air Force Instruction 1-1 here and here:

2.11. Government Neutrality Regarding Religion. Leaders at all levels must balance constitutional protections for an individual’s free exercise of religion or other personal beliefs and the constitutional prohibition against governmental establishment of religion. For example, they must avoid the actual or apparent use of their position to promote their personal religious beliefs to their subordinates or to extend referential treatment for any religion. Commanders or supervisors who engage in such behavior may cause members to doubt their impartiality and objectivity. The potential result is a degradation of the unit’s morale, good order, and discipline. Airmen, especially commanders and supervisors, must ensure that in exercising their right of religious free expression, they do not degrade morale, good order, and discipline in the Air Force or degrade the trust and confidence that the public has in the United States Air Force.
2.12. Free Exercise of Religion and Religious Accommodation. Supporting the right of free exercise of religion relates directly to the Air Force core values and the ability to maintain an effective team.
2.12.1. All Airmen are able to choose to practice their particular religion, or subscribe to no religious belief at all. You should confidently practice your own beliefs while respecting others whose viewpoints differ from your own.
2.12.2. Your right to practice your religious beliefs does not excuse you from complying with directives, instructions, and lawful orders; however, you may request religious accommodation. Requests can be denied based on military necessity. Commanders and supervisors at all levels are expected to ensure that requests for religious accommodation are dealt with fairly.

11 GeneJockey  Wed, May 1, 2013 5:26:39pm

re: #9 HappyWarrior

Loss of, or sharing of privilege is the new discrimination.

12 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 1, 2013 5:27:42pm

I want to tell you the Good News!


What’s the Good News?

G-D created you to burn in Hell forever!


That’s “Good News”?

But wait! There is a way you can save yourself from burning in Hell forever! All you have to do is accept Jesus…


What about leading a good and righteous life?

Works can not save you from the damnation of Eternal Hellfire!


But what kind of a G-d would…

Accept Jesus!
Unless you’re Gay!

13 DO WINGNUT WORDS SHOW THEY EVOLVED BRAINS?11!!  Wed, May 1, 2013 5:28:24pm

Geezus. They should just make the Republican parties new motto:
!!11!1!1!!!!SUPER ELEVENTY!1!111111!!!

14 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 1, 2013 5:28:26pm

re: #11 GeneJockey

Loss of, or sharing of privilege is the new discrimination.

Yeah apparently being told that you shouldn’t act like your religion is the only true one while you’re serving in the US military is as bad as systematically gasing people because of their religious beliefs. If the actual Christians like Bonhoeffer who were oppressed by the Third Reich saw these people trying to claim that, they’d go crazy I bet.

15 Charles Johnson  Wed, May 1, 2013 5:30:07pm

Sure, what could possibly go wrong with having religious fanatics who believe they’re killing for Jesus in charge of deciding the ethics of nuclear war? Sounds perfectly reasonable, if you’re demented.

16 team_fukit  Wed, May 1, 2013 5:30:45pm

now drop and give Jezus 20!!

17 EPR-radar  Wed, May 1, 2013 5:31:43pm

re: #12 Vicious Babushka

By the way, you have to believe in Jesus in just the right way, or its eternal damnation for you!

How do I know what the correct beliefs are?

Obey me!

What about the preacher across the street who also says “obey me or burn forever”?

What part of ‘Obey me’ was unclear?

18 GeneJockey  Wed, May 1, 2013 5:32:05pm

re: #15 Charles Johnson

“I can no longer sit back and allow Communist infiltration, Communist indoctrination, Communist subversion and the international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids.”

19 jamesfirecat  Wed, May 1, 2013 5:33:36pm

In other non political news things continue to go well for me in Path of Exile, having just cleared Cruel it is now onto Mercyless, have managed to avoid dieing to any bosses so far (have died less than half a dozen times all told) so hopefully in another month or so I’ll finish that game up… At which point I will be in such a hack and slash mood i’ll need to borrow Diablo 2 from my brother.

20 Stanghazi  Wed, May 1, 2013 5:34:40pm
The PowerPoint for the class drew heavily upon Bible passages and Christian imagery to teach morals and ethics of launching nuclear weapons. In the class students were taught based on a passage in the Book of Revelations that Jesus Christ is a “mighty warrior” who believed some wars to be just

Reminds me of the daily Rumsfeld memos to Bush about Iraq.

Still pisses me off.

(Hey Everyone!)

21 jamesfirecat  Wed, May 1, 2013 5:36:25pm

re: #18 GeneJockey

Ice cream Mandrake, children’s ice cream!

22 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 1, 2013 5:36:57pm

re: #20 Stanley Sea

Reminds me of the daily Rumsfeld memos to Bush about Iraq.

Still pisses me off.

(Hey Everyone!)

You just got to feel bad for the guys who entered the academy thinking that they were doing so to serve their country and then they see this religious indoctrination stuff. It really feels to me that groups like the FRC see the US military as a place to push their mindset and that anyone who doesn’t share that mindset should be ridiculed. My cousin’s husband is a veteran of the USMC and he’s also vocally atheist. I really do think if Fischer, the FRC, retired general Boykin, and others had their way, they’d have laws that would prohibit people like him from serving.

23 GeneJockey  Wed, May 1, 2013 5:38:36pm

re: #17 EPR-radar

I always respond that way whenever a Believer tries to use Pascal’s Wager on me.

24 Varek Raith  Wed, May 1, 2013 5:41:03pm
In Aug. 2011, in a victory for trying to extricate religion from military business, the Air Force suspended a course called “Christian Just War Theory” — which had been required for missile officers at Vandenberg Air Force Base in California. The PowerPoint for the class drew heavily upon Bible passages and Christian imagery to teach morals and ethics of launching nuclear weapons. In the class students were taught based on a passage in the Book of Revelations that Jesus Christ is a “mighty warrior” who believed some wars to be just, according to Truthout.com which broke the story.

Whawhawhatt??????

25 EPR-radar  Wed, May 1, 2013 5:41:35pm

re: #22 HappyWarrior

It is not an exaggeration at all to point out that the FRC, Bryan Fischer, general Boykin et al., are theocrats.

Even though this is a simple statement of fact, it seems so extreme when baldly put that people who don’t pay much attention to politics have a hard time believing it.

A similar effect was noted in the election of 2012, where focus groups told what official GOP positions were (e.g., planks in the GOP platform, statements by senior elected officials etc.) tended to not believe these positions were being accurately reported.

26 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 1, 2013 5:44:36pm

re: #25 EPR-radar

It is not an exaggeration at all to point out that the FRC, Bryan Fischer, general Boykin et al., are theocrats.

Even though this is a simple statement of fact, it seems so extreme when baldly put that people who don’t pay much attention to politics have a hard time believing it.

A similar effect was noted in the election of 2012, where focus groups told what official GOP positions were (e.g., planks in the GOP platform, statements by senior elected officials etc.) tended to not believe these positions were being accurately reported.

I think that’s what scares me most about them is the fact that they are yes, theocrats. I mean one can say what one wants about the past generations of Republicans i.e. Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bush I, and Bush II but with them, there at least seemed to be a respect for the fact that the US is a country of many religious backgrounds. These guys think this country was made for Fundamentalist Christians only and want the laws to reflect that.

27 Stanghazi  Wed, May 1, 2013 5:46:25pm

Remember the argument that Reagan didn’t really harm the US by giving the religious right footing? Well Jerry Falwell begat Liberty University who has been spitting out theocrats directly into our government for over 20 years.

I would love to see their “successful alumni” list.

28 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 1, 2013 5:48:22pm

re: #27 Stanley Sea

Remember the argument that Reagan didn’t really harm the US by giving the religious right footing? Well Jerry Falwell begat Liberty University who has been spitting out theocrats directly into our government for over 20 years.

I would love to see their “successful alumni” list.

Ah yes the ironically named Liberty. Don’t forget that Pat Robertson has a law school as well. One that produced my state’s governor actually.

29 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, May 1, 2013 5:51:41pm

I just had a tweet retweeted by Robert Spencer. I feel dirty.

30 dragonath  Wed, May 1, 2013 5:51:49pm

re: #27 Stanley Sea

Remember the argument that Reagan didn’t really harm the US by giving the religious right footing? Well Jerry Falwell begat Liberty University who has been spitting out theocrats directly into our government for over 20 years.

I would love to see their “successful alumni” list.

If you feel particularly sordid, you can check out the “Liberty University School of Law”. Or, perhaps, the “Ave Maria School of Law”

Hey look, it’s Scalia!

And Alito!

31 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 1, 2013 5:52:19pm

re: #17 EPR-radar

How do I know what the correct beliefs are?

What about the preacher across the street who also says “obey me or burn forever”?

My youngest son lives in Alabama and he loves to toy with these fools. They see him, a real old-timey Juice, and they’re all like OH WOW WHAT A TROPHY.

They try to con him with their silly misunderstanding of Hebrew scripture and it’s like shooting fish in a barrel.

But they give him money!

BWAHAHAA!

32 ElCapitanAmerica  Wed, May 1, 2013 5:58:58pm

re: #10 victor27

I put this on the other thread about the proselytizing story: AP reporting here, Air Force Instruction 1-1 here and here:

On the new “guide” (is it really new, or a clarification of existing policy), does it have a detailed definition of what the military deems proselytization?

33 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, May 1, 2013 6:03:23pm

The anti-Muslim bigotry pervading Twitter has me bummed.

34 chadu  Wed, May 1, 2013 6:04:08pm

Just want to point out I paged something:

littlegreenfootballs.com

I’m sorry that the title doesn’t quite cover the sitch: mirror-universe, where homosexuality is the norm, and heterosexuality is outcast.

Check it; it’s brutal.

/self-promo over

35 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Wed, May 1, 2013 6:11:02pm

I have a radical conservative Christian friend on facebook who posted this earlier, I tried to explain to him that there has been an increasing radicalization of the military and increasing efforts coerce non-Christians and conver them or force them out of the military if they don’t. He said that was “BS” and that a Christian *must* work to promote their faith, else they’re not real Christians. And that no True Christian would force another person into their faith.

I simply told him he really wasn’t paying attention to the military and the events going on in there.

*sigh*

I refuse to give up, but good grief.

36 jaunte  Wed, May 1, 2013 6:19:44pm
A chaplain in Afghanistan recently was the target of complaint for sermonizing to troops, including Afghan soldiers, that they had approximately 2,000 days to live and needed to “get right with Jesus.”
wonkette.com

Sure, what could go wrong. Perfectly sound method for working with allied forces.

37 kirkspencer  Wed, May 1, 2013 6:19:48pm

re: #35 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All

I have a radical conservative Christian friend on facebook who posted this earlier, I tried to explain to him that there has been an increasing radicalization of the military and increasing efforts coerce non-Christians and conver them or force them out of the military if they don’t. He said that was “BS” and that a Christian *must* work to promote their faith, else they’re not real Christians. And that no True Christian would force another person into their faith.

I simply told him he really wasn’t paying attention to the military and the events going on in there.

*sigh*

I refuse to give up, but good grief.

“a Christian *must* work to promote their faith, else they’re not real Christians.”

Yeah. That’s the problem.

Ask your friend if, should the company commander be Islamic (with an equally strong mandate), should he be allowed to pressure and persuade the soldiers serving under him at any time and place he desires?

Likely the answer is “no”.

Then ask if, according to the oath taken, the soldiers serve as soldiers of God or Caesar?

Either of these should be sufficient to say THERE SHALL BE NO PROSELYTIZING. Because while the Captain or Colonel may not think he’s being coercive, if he stands there and blithers then Private Snuffy thinks he has to listen, and basic training emphasizes (a lot) that the wish of a senior officer is, for Snuffy, a command. Unless it’s illegal - and that’s a sewer we don’t get into if we can help it.

38 chadu  Wed, May 1, 2013 6:25:53pm

re: #4 Decatur Deb

I blame the 140 character Twitter limit.

I blame willfully blind assholes.

39 AlexRogan  Wed, May 1, 2013 6:26:16pm

re: #37 kirkspencer

“a Christian *must* work to promote their faith, else they’re not real Christians.”

Yeah. That’s the problem.

Ask your friend if, should the company commander be Islamic (with an equally strong mandate), should he be allowed to pressure and persuade the soldiers serving under him at any time and place he desires?

Likely the answer is “no”.

Then ask if, according to the oath taken, the soldiers serve as soldiers of God or Caesar?

Either of these should be sufficient to say THERE SHALL BE NO PROSELYTIZING. Because while the Captain or Colonel may not think he’s being coercive, if he stands there and blithers then Private Snuffy thinks he has to listen, and basic training emphasizes (a lot) that the wish of a senior officer is, for Snuffy, a command. Unless it’s illegal - and that’s a sewer we don’t get into if we can help it.

It’s an abuse of authority, pure and simple.

40 sffilk  Wed, May 1, 2013 6:27:10pm

re: #31 Vicious Babushka

If you have stories to tell I, for one, would love to hear them or read them or whatever.

41 Charles Johnson  Wed, May 1, 2013 6:28:54pm

People like Ken Klukowski (and they are legion) are Jerry Falwell’s revenge from beyond the grave.

42 chadu  Wed, May 1, 2013 6:28:59pm

re: #23 GeneJockey

I always respond that way whenever a Believer tries to use Pascal’s Wager on me.

You can win Paschal’s Wager by being an agnostic. (Which I more or less am; my particular belief is Panentheism.)

43 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, May 1, 2013 6:31:05pm

re: #42 chadu

You can win Paschal’s Wager by being an agnostic. (Which I more or less am; my particular belief is Panentheism.)

I’m a Pizzatheist, subsect Pineapplist.

44 chadu  Wed, May 1, 2013 6:32:30pm

re: #43 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

I’m a Pizzatheist, subsect Pineapplist.

I have yet to try Hawaiian pizza, so, I have no further comment.

45 engineer cat  Wed, May 1, 2013 6:34:00pm

proselytizing in uniform is not permitted

meaning, of course, that soldiers will be court-martialed if they are found wearing a cross or are overheard praying

got it

46 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, May 1, 2013 6:34:26pm

re: #44 chadu

I have yet to try Hawaiian pizza, so, I have no further comment.

You must try it, it is the most pure of all pizzas. It will lift you up and make your beer taste better than Guinness and make all your sports teams champions.

47 jaunte  Wed, May 1, 2013 6:35:14pm
“It doesn’t matter whether you’re selling Jesus or Buddha or civil rights or ‘How to Make Money in Real Estate With No Money Down.’ That doesn’t make you a human being; it makes you a marketing rep. If you want to talk to somebody honestly, as a human being, ask him about his kids. Find out what his dreams are - just to find out, for no other reason. Because as soon as you lay your hands on a conversation to steer it, it’s not a conversation anymore; it’s a pitch. And you’re not a human being soldier; you’re a marketing rep.”

From The Big Kahuna, written by Roger Rueff

48 Kragar  Wed, May 1, 2013 6:36:40pm

I’m sure the Wingnuts would have no problem what so ever with Christians being forced to sit around and and being forced to listen to other religions urge conversions while serving the nation, so their outrage at being singled out makes perfect sense.
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49 dragonath  Wed, May 1, 2013 6:40:11pm

Only Christians can be true martyrs…

50 engineer cat  Wed, May 1, 2013 6:40:40pm

re: #43 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

I’m a Pizzatheist, subsect Pineapplist.

software engineers are regularly subjected to intense pizzafication

51 chadu  Wed, May 1, 2013 6:43:08pm

re: #46 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

You must try it, it is the most pure of all pizzas. It will lift you up and make your beer taste better than Guinness and make all your sports teams champions.

See, here’s where I diverge from most folk: I am excited by tomato + pineapple, but unsure is ham is the right protein here.

HURM.

52 dragonath  Wed, May 1, 2013 6:44:45pm

re: #51 chadu

See, here’s where I diverge from most folk: I am excited by tomato + pineapple, but unsure is ham is the right protein here.

Schismatic!

53 sagehen  Wed, May 1, 2013 6:49:26pm

re: #44 chadu

I have yet to try Hawaiian pizza, so, I have no further comment.

You really must — that sublime combination of toppings, the delicate balance between sweet and salty, crunchy and squishy… (best to get double cheese while you’re at it, better odds on keeping the toppings from sliding off)

54 darthstar  Wed, May 1, 2013 6:57:13pm

re: #53 sagehen

Canadian bacon & pineapple pizza is really actually pretty fucking good. I don’t eat it often (it’s been maybe 30 years since I ordered one that way, though I have snuck a slice when it was an option at a company lunch).

55 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 1, 2013 7:02:00pm

THEY KEEP TWEETING THIS FUCKING SHIT EVEN THOUGH A 3 SECONDS ON GOOGLE DISPROVES IT.
AAARRRRGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!!!

56 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, May 1, 2013 7:03:31pm

Beware the anti-pineapplists.

57 chadu  Wed, May 1, 2013 7:06:14pm

re: #55 Vicious Babushka

THEY KEEP TWEETING THIS FUCKING SHIT EVEN THOUGH A 3 SECONDS ON GOOGLE DISPROVES IT.
AAARRRRGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!!!

Because they’re crazy, and beyond rational thought.

58 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 1, 2013 7:09:51pm

re: #57 chadu

Because they’re crazy, and beyond rational thought.

Sadly you are right.

59 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 1, 2013 7:10:22pm

DERP

60 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, May 1, 2013 7:16:18pm

re: #59 Vicious Babushka

DERP

Atheists are treated poorly by some theists of all stripes. This bozo sounds bigoted because he’s being exclusive of Christians.

61 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 1, 2013 7:25:19pm

re: #60 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

Atheists are treated poorly by some theists of all stripes. This bozo sounds bigoted because he’s being exclusive of Christians.

Well, the fucktards on TGDN ARE so much garbage, but you already know that.

62 jaunte  Wed, May 1, 2013 7:33:36pm

re: #55 Vicious Babushka

There are NO pictures of Obama being a white President. NONE…

63 bratwurst  Wed, May 1, 2013 7:36:20pm

re: #59 Vicious Babushka

DERP

Who could have POSSIBLY predicted guys like that would eventually start lumping Jews together with Muslims? /

64 jaunte  Wed, May 1, 2013 7:45:29pm
65 freetoken  Wed, May 1, 2013 7:58:49pm

This sort of “victimization” of Christians is of course nothing more less than not given privilege to one specific religion or sect.

Treating all people equally == persecution.

66 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Wed, May 1, 2013 8:01:34pm

re: #61 Vicious Babushka

Well, the fucktards on TGDN ARE so much garbage, but you already know that.

I certainly won’t argue with that.

67 SpaceJesus  Wed, May 1, 2013 8:03:14pm

Freep thread on this

To: RetiredArmy

Time for all Christians to get out of the military.

And, to get into the private sector teaching God-fearing, Constitution-loving patriots on how to defend themselves against a godless military controlled by an “undocumented immigrant” having muslim upbringing.


99 posted on 5/1/2013 12:44:34 PM by so_real ( “The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.”)
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freerepublic.com

we’re talking a goldmine of conservative rage here

68 AlexRogan  Wed, May 1, 2013 8:07:03pm

re: #67 SpaceJesus

Freep thread on this

freerepublic.com

we’re talking a goldmine of conservative rage here

Damn, I think I just went blind from that excerpt alone.

69 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 1, 2013 8:08:22pm

re: #68 AlexRogan

Damn, I think I just went blind from that excerpt alone.

Yeah a lot of stupid there. Muslim trained yet he’s pushing a godless military. If Obama was the fanatical Muslim they want to believe he is, he’d be the most anti gay president in modern times, instead he’s easily the most pro gay president in recent times but I don’t expect logic from the Freepers.

70 SpaceJesus  Wed, May 1, 2013 8:10:03pm
To: Nachum
From Trevor Loudon
… Barack Obama has worked with pro-Moscow Marxists including Frank Marshall Davis and Alice Palmer, and pro-Cuban radicals like Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, his entire life.

Their number one priority has always been the destruction of the US military, the only significant block remaining, to global revolution.

64 posted on 5/1/2013 12:09:13 PM by opentalk
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71 jaunte  Wed, May 1, 2013 8:10:04pm

re: #67 SpaceJesus

And, to get into the private sector teaching God-fearing, Constitution-loving patriots on how to defend themselves against a godless military controlled by an “undocumented immigrant” having muslim upbringing.

They don’t appear to be talking about the one with all those troublesome commandments.

72 Dark_Falcon  Wed, May 1, 2013 8:10:19pm

re: #35 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All

I have a radical conservative Christian friend on facebook who posted this earlier, I tried to explain to him that there has been an increasing radicalization of the military and increasing efforts coerce non-Christians and conver them or force them out of the military if they don’t. He said that was “BS” and that a Christian *must* work to promote their faith, else they’re not real Christians. And that no True Christian would force another person into their faith.

I simply told him he really wasn’t paying attention to the military and the events going on in there.

*sigh*

I refuse to give up, but good grief.

There is nothing wrong with sharing the Good News of Christianity. But But it is not to be done under color of authority or with coercion. People must accept the faith out of their own heart for their faith to be genuine. Those who try to force someone else to “accept Jesus” are themselves the ones who lack faith.

73 Dark_Falcon  Wed, May 1, 2013 8:12:37pm

re: #67 SpaceJesus

Freep thread on this

freerepublic.com

we’re talking a goldmine of conservative rage here

Wingnut to English Translation:

OMG!!1 The president is a left-of-center [censored]!!1

74 jamesfirecat  Wed, May 1, 2013 8:21:11pm

re: #73 Dark_Falcon

Wingnut to English Translation:

The president is near!

75 dragonath  Wed, May 1, 2013 8:22:31pm

What the fuck, Yahoo.

If you don’t want to have kids, get out of neighborhoods with schools. Move downtown, or to a chic restaurant district where you need half the space and your “no curfew” lifestyle won’t be cramped by strollers on the streets.

A recent study shows that married couples without children are happier than those with, but selfishness will do that to you. Besides, I could just as easily point to a study done a year earlier that says breeders are happier than non-breeders.

Perhaps parenting is a case of ‘delayed happiness.’ It may be stressful and hectic now, but when I’m old I will have children and grandchildren to keep me company and I will be showered in family. I wonder how happy a childless couple will be when they’re at the end of the line?

Worst prospective “parenting” advice ever. Did some quiverfull maniac write this?

76 blueraven  Wed, May 1, 2013 8:26:34pm

re: #67 SpaceJesus

Freep thread on this

freerepublic.com

we’re talking a goldmine of conservative rage here

LOL! Jon Stewart was just talking about Ted Cruz and the fact he was born in Canada…said he knew someone who would be interested in looking into if he is eligible to run for President. Cue photo of Donald Trump with the nic

F**ckface Von Clownstick

“Yeah its all over twitter”, he said. “I hope”

77 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 1, 2013 8:27:32pm

re: #75 dragonath

What the fuck, Yahoo.

Worst prospective “parenting” advice ever. Did some quiverfull maniac write this?

Because childless couples don’t have nieces/nephews or friends with kids. Seriously, if you want to have kids and grandkids, great but not having kids doesn’t make you some kind of horrible person.

78 jaunte  Wed, May 1, 2013 8:27:51pm
79 ProBosniaLiberal  Wed, May 1, 2013 8:30:14pm

re: #76 blueraven

I saw Jon Stewart’s bit last night on Syria. The bit about “We’re fucked” in saying that we had to convince Russia (or more specifically, Putin) that it is bad to poison people was sad.

I also wonder if Congress knows what the hell we would do with Syria.

I think we need to help Turkey and the Kurds stamp out a peace treaty pronto, then figure out a solution to this psychotic bloodbath. If that means troops on the ground, so be it. Let’s stop another Bosnia from happening.

80 dragonath  Wed, May 1, 2013 8:31:25pm

Meanwhile, in Japan

Japan PM’s ‘Stealth’ Constitution Plan Raises Civil Rights Fears

Critics see Abe’s plan to ease requirements for revising the charter and then seek to change Article 9 as a “stealth” strategy that keeps his deeper aims off the public radar.

…

The LDP draft, approved by the party last year, would negate the basic concept of universal human rights, which Japanese conservatives argue is a Western notion ill-suited to Japan’s traditional culture and values, constitutional scholars say.

Ironically, Abe’s newfound popularity is fueled in part by Japan giving up austerity and going whole hog Keynesian, something the center-left opposition was reticent to do.

81 Dark_Falcon  Wed, May 1, 2013 8:36:43pm

re: #80 dragonath

Meanwhile, in Japan

Japan PM’s ‘Stealth’ Constitution Plan Raises Civil Rights Fears

Ironically, Abe’s newfound popularity is fueled in part by Japan giving up austerity and going whole hog Keynesian, something the center-left opposition was reticent to do.

Many in Japan have never really liked the concept of universal rights, instead preferring to argue special pleading for Japan in all circumstances, because Japan was divinely founded by the Sun Goddess.

/I am not making this up.

82 Mentis Fugit  Wed, May 1, 2013 8:46:00pm

re: #81 Dark_Falcon

Many in Japan have never really liked the concept of universal rights, instead preferring to argue special pleading for Japan in all circumstances, because Japan was divinely founded by the Sun Goddess.

/I am not making this up.

So, not all that different from American Exceptionalism, then?

/*0.5

83 Dark_Falcon  Wed, May 1, 2013 8:53:17pm

re: #82 Mentis Fugit

So, not all that different from American Exceptionalism, then?

/*0.5

Actually, its a good bit different, since the Japanese are restrictive as to who can be “in the circle” far more than your typical wingnut. Some such wingnuts would actually say that Japanese people are OK in their book, but even those who would only approve of white people tend to accept those of English, Irish, Scottish, German, Dutch, etc origins. Japan, by contrast, only really accepts those who are overwhelmingly ethnic Japanese.

Ultimately, even Wingnut America is a good bit more willing to assimilate an outsider than is Japan. This actually makes sense, because America wasn’t founded on ethnic lines, being an explicitly political project.

84 Charles Johnson  Wed, May 1, 2013 8:55:14pm

If You Want to Read Just How Hysterical the Left Has Become During the Sunset of the Age of Obama……

If you want to read just how hysterical the Left has become during the Sunset of the Age of Obama……

Sweet and Low · 2 hours ago

…you could do far worse than to visit:  littlegreenfootballs.com

There are shrill, angry, profane, more than a little PMSy and quite literally insane.

You may wish to visit them.  I used to leave comments, but they banned me after a dozen or so posts.  (Was it something that I said?)

85 Dark_Falcon  Wed, May 1, 2013 8:56:05pm

re: #84 Charles Johnson

If You Want to Read Just How Hysterical the Left Has Become During the Sunset of the Age of Obama……

More projection that an IMAX.

86 ProBosniaLiberal  Wed, May 1, 2013 8:56:21pm

re: #84 Charles Johnson

Hey, the only insane person here is me!

87 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 1, 2013 8:57:21pm

re: #84 Charles Johnson

If You Want to Read Just How Hysterical the Left Has Become During the Sunset of the Age of Obama……

I didn’t realize that a president just over three months into his second term was in the twilight of his age.

88 Mentis Fugit  Wed, May 1, 2013 9:06:59pm

re: #84 Charles Johnson

If You Want to Read Just How Hysterical the Left Has Become During the Sunset of the Age of Obama……

“hysterical…shrill…PMSy” - Wingnutistan does love to feminize those it perceives as enemies, doesn’t it.

89 blueraven  Wed, May 1, 2013 9:07:57pm

re: #84 Charles Johnson

If You Want to Read Just How Hysterical the Left Has Become During the Sunset of the Age of Obama……

If he thinks this is an hysterical lefty site, he must pass right out while reading firedoglake. WIMP.

90 Mich-again  Wed, May 1, 2013 9:08:37pm
In the class students were taught based on a passage in the Book of Revelations that Jesus Christ is a “mighty warrior” who believed some wars to be just,

I bet it is much easier to convince someone to push a button that will kill thousands of people if you can convince them that Jeebus wants them to push the button. It was a disgrace for the military to put this bullshit out there in a required class. Christians should not be offended that the military put an end to this class, they should be offended that the military ever offered it.

91 dragonath  Wed, May 1, 2013 9:10:07pm

re: #81 Dark_Falcon

Yeah, I think we can all agree than whatever kind of Japanese “conservatism” that is, it pretty much sucks. It’s made even worse because you know there’s a ton of people who deplore the mockery of killing whales and supporting war criminals.

By the way, this current government was probably the most pro-nuclear administration that the Japanese electorate could have possibly made last election.

Japan’s Nuclear Plan Unsettles U.S.

TOKYO—Japan is preparing to start up a massive nuclear-fuel reprocessing plant over the objections of the Obama administration, which fears the move may stoke a broader race for nuclear technologies and even weapons in North Asia and the Middle East.

92 Dark_Falcon  Wed, May 1, 2013 9:17:33pm

re: #91 dragonath

Yeah, I think we can all agree than whatever kind of Japanese “conservatism” that is, it pretty much sucks. It’s made even worse because you know there’s a ton of people who deplore the mockery of killing whales and supporting war criminals.

By the way, this current government was probably the most pro-nuclear administration that the Japanese electorate could have possibly made last election.

Japan’s Nuclear Plan Unsettles U.S.

Oh, it sucks and it is indeed not representative of Japan as a whole. It also angers many other nations, and not just over whales. For it was under that same banner of the divine right of Japan that China’s people were massacred and America’s navy unjustly attacked, and America and China do not forget it.*

*: There are many other nations that feel the same way for similar reasons, but I limited the post in the interests of brevity.

93 engineer cat  Wed, May 1, 2013 9:19:41pm

Quick-sort with Hungarian folk dance

nerd squared, but my kinda nerds

94 engineer cat  Wed, May 1, 2013 9:21:51pm

re: #84 Charles Johnson

If You Want to Read Just How Hysterical the Left Has Become During the Sunset of the Age of Obama……

profane (is that bad?) and sometimes angry, but hardly hysterical or shrill

as for ‘sunset’, they wish

95 palomino  Wed, May 1, 2013 9:39:42pm

re: #94 engineer cat

profane (is that bad?) and sometimes angry, but hardly hysterical or shrill

as for ‘sunset’, they wish

We’ve been hearing that the Obama Regime was “in its sunset” for over 4 years now, from the moment he first lost 2 points in his approval ratings. But the gop can take some solace in the fact that his “reign of terror” is now past its midpoint, as they count backwards from 1400, waiting for the day when America has a Christian president again.

And if the blogger at that site thinks LGF is a true Leftist site, he’s not very familiar with either LGF or most of the left wing blogosphere. Or else he’s so far gone into RW fantasyland that he’s lost all sense of perspective. Either way, fuck that guy…profanity is as American as apple pie, hot dogs and internet porn. If he can’t stand a few curse words, he’s probably either 100 years old or a holier-than-thou church lady.

96 GeneJockey  Wed, May 1, 2013 9:52:11pm

re: #84 Charles Johnson

If You Want to Read Just How Hysterical the Left Has Become During the Sunset of the Age of Obama……

Obamarung? Obamadammerung?

97 engineer cat  Wed, May 1, 2013 9:59:36pm

re: #95 palomino

profanity is as American as fucking apple pie, ferkrissakes

fixted

98 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, May 1, 2013 10:11:59pm

re: #84 Charles Johnson

If You Want to Read Just How Hysterical the Left Has Become During the Sunset of the Age of Obama……

One and only comment:

I remember when that was a center-right site. How times have changed.

They have indeed lost all sense of perspective. By global standards, this is a center right site, just as Obama is a center right politician. He is no farther to the left than Richard Nixon on many issues, for example, and to Nixon’s right on some.

99 austin_blue  Wed, May 1, 2013 10:32:58pm

Well, you know, “Christian Soldiers” is pretty much of an oxymoron.

Sorry if this has been mentioned, just jumped in. And now I’ve got to jump out.

The West, Texas explosion was presented before the Texas House of Representatives today. I was there, not as a principal, but as an ancillary witness.

Two days after the explosion, the collection of human remains entailed looking for piles of ants. There were lots of them.

101 sagehen  Wed, May 1, 2013 11:01:31pm

Capuchin monkeys react to pay inequality:

Youtube Video
102 palomino  Wed, May 1, 2013 11:29:49pm

re: #98 Shiplord Kirel

One and only comment:

They have indeed lost all sense of perspective. By global standards, this is a center right site, just as Obama is a center right politician. He is no farther to the left than Richard Nixon on many issues, for example, and to Nixon’s right on some.

Definitely.

I have the same reaction when I hear that things like background checks and Obamacare are extremist or socialist policies. They may be bad policy, we’ll see. But those policies would be seen as center-right in pretty much every other developed nation on the planet.

103 freetoken  Thu, May 2, 2013 12:25:53am

Continuing to work on genealogy, and one of the frustrating things is the amount of bad leads out there. So many of the family trees on ancestry.com are like Breitbrat wingnut articles - un-sourced and erroneous.

104 freetoken  Thu, May 2, 2013 12:37:26am
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105 Gus  Thu, May 2, 2013 12:39:05am

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106 Gus  Thu, May 2, 2013 12:49:41am
Youtube Video
107 Gus  Thu, May 2, 2013 12:54:35am
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109 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, May 2, 2013 1:48:42am

re: #27 Stanley Sea

Remember the argument that Reagan didn’t really harm the US by giving the religious right footing? Well Jerry Falwell begat Liberty University who has been spitting out theocrats directly into our government for over 20 years.

I would love to see their “successful alumni” list.

The Religious Right never forgave Reagan for abandoning them as soon as Nancy’s house astrologer told her that the satars were propitious for doing so. In revenge, they have been insinuating their people into all levels of government, especially in local administration and education, where we have seen what is happening in a lot of states where they control the Board of Education.

110 makeitstop  Thu, May 2, 2013 3:57:05am

re: #84 Charles Johnson

If You Want to Read Just How Hysterical the Left Has Become During the Sunset of the Age of Obama……

I take issue with the ‘shrill’ part. I type all of my insane, angry profanity in perfectly measured tones, thankyouverymuch.

Mornin’, Lizards! I’ve been up since 3AM minding my recently operated-upon dog. Sleep cycle, wrecked! How is everyone?

111 Flounder  Thu, May 2, 2013 4:00:48am

My work laptop really does not like LGF, at least it’s not blocked!

112 Flounder  Thu, May 2, 2013 4:06:52am

I wanted to post this last night so I could find the video, but alas, I rode my scooter to work and I left my personal laptop there.

Cops: Snow Cone Joe stalked Mr. Ding-A-Ling in ice cream truck turf war


Read more: timesunion.com

113 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, May 2, 2013 4:19:02am

Second “Snow Day” of spring. 6th of the school year.

Oh, freaking thrill. Not.

Sure, my son is happy at the moment. He’ll be less happy when he understands there were only 5 weather days built into the calendar this year so today will have to be made up in June…

114 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 2, 2013 4:30:13am

re: #67 SpaceJesus

Freep thread on this

freerepublic.com

we’re talking a goldmine of conservative rage here

Look at the graphic they have up there. “Resisting tyranny isn’t a ‘Sporting Purpose,’ it’s a Constitutional One.”

I’d like to see just one of these asshats find ANYWHERE in the Constitution where it says that random citizens with a bunch of GUNZ can overthrow a lawfully elected government.

115 Targetpractice  Thu, May 2, 2013 4:32:20am

re: #114 Vicious Babushka

Look at the graphic they have up there. “Resisting tyranny isn’t a ‘Sporting Purpose,’ it’s a Constitutional One.”

I’d like to see just one of these asshats find ANYWHERE in the Constitution where it says that random citizens with a bunch of GUNZ can overthrow a lawfully elected government.

If they’d actually read the Constitution they rub themselves with, they might see that treason is the only crime the Constitution actually takes the time to define. And no, wingnuts, treason does not mean a black man got elected.

116 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, May 2, 2013 4:33:06am

re: #114 Vicious Babushka

Look at the graphic they have up there. “Resisting tyranny isn’t a ‘Sporting Purpose,’ it’s a Constitutional One.”

I’d like to see just one of these asshats find ANYWHERE in the Constitution where it says that random citizens with a bunch of GUNZ can overthrow a lawfully elected government.

“can” in the sense of “allowed to” or in the sense of “able to”? Big no-go in either case…

117 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 2, 2013 4:36:41am

LOL TEH EEBIL SOROS BOUGHT JCPENNEY


I don’t think even Teh EEbil Overlord Soros can save JC Penney (I see they have already tossed the JCP logo). That store is so going down in flames.

I would still shop at Sears for appliances, but there is NOTHING at Penney’s that I can’t find somewhere else (mainly Target) cheaper, and a better selection.

118 Decatur Deb  Thu, May 2, 2013 4:36:56am

re: #116 Sol Berdinowitz

“can” in the sense of “allowed to” or in the sense of “able to”? Big no-go in either case…

The Declaration really just says you have the option to try to overthrow your idea of tyrannical government. If you win, you get your picture on the new dollar bill…

119 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 2, 2013 4:37:59am

re: #116 Sol Berdinowitz

“can” in the sense of “allowed to” or in the sense of “able to”? Big no-go in either case…

Been there, done that, got their ass whipped in 1865.

120 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, May 2, 2013 4:38:41am

re: #118 Decatur Deb

The Declaration really just says you have the option to try to overthrow your idea of tyrannical government. If you win, you get your picture on the new dollar bill…

Part of the Mythology is to “prove” that Obama is a tyrant and usurper, that he is ruling illegitimately and that it is our patriotic duty to remove him from office, and our great pleasure to be able to do it by force.

121 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 2, 2013 4:39:04am

re: #120 Sol Berdinowitz

Part of the Mythology is to “prove” that Obama is a tyrant and usurper, that he is ruling illegitimately and that it is our patriotic duty to remove him from office, and our great pleasure to be able to do it by force.

122 Decatur Deb  Thu, May 2, 2013 4:41:10am

re: #120 Sol Berdinowitz

Part of the Mythology is to “prove” that Obama is a tyrant and usurper, that he is ruling illegitimately and that it is our patriotic duty to remove him from office, and our great pleasure to be able to do it by force.

If you have the firepower and the foreign allies, anybody is a tyrant. If not, a fast boat to a hostile sanctuary is handy.

123 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 2, 2013 4:41:19am

Considering that the 1% have managed to suck even MOAR money out of the economy, Obama is the biggest FAILURE at Communism EVER.

124 Decatur Deb  Thu, May 2, 2013 4:42:14am

re: #123 Vicious Babushka

Considering that the 1% have managed to suck even MOAR money out of the economy, Obama is the biggest FAILURE at Communism EVER.

Did I mention it’s DELI DAY!!

125 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 2, 2013 4:43:54am

They keep Tweeting this shit, I don’t think they could Uprise themselves out of a barcalounger.

126 Decatur Deb  Thu, May 2, 2013 4:48:02am

Guess who’s getting a Ma Deuce for his birthday:

Alabama Senate Passes Bill Nullifying ALL Federal Gun Laws

thinkprogress.org

127 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, May 2, 2013 4:54:03am

re: #126 Decatur Deb

Guess who’s getting a Ma Deuce for his birthday:

Alabama Senate Passes Bill Nullifying ALL Federal Gun Laws

thinkprogress.org

Then we have the Sovereign Citizens movement, which takes the concept of Nullification right down to a personal level: these people feel that they are compelled to obey only such laws as they as Constitutional.

128 Targetpractice  Thu, May 2, 2013 4:55:37am

re: #125 Vicious Babushka

They keep Tweeting this shit, I don’t think they could Uprise themselves out of a barcalounger.

29% of registered voters thinks we’re in need of armed revolution? Oh, I’m so scared.////

129 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 2, 2013 4:56:40am

WINGNUT GREAT IDEA


They tried that in Georgia, remember? Tons of fruits and vegetables rotted in the fields because all those unemployed IT workers didn’t want to pick them.

130 Decatur Deb  Thu, May 2, 2013 4:58:17am

re: #128 Targetpractice

29% of registered voters thinks we’re in need of armed revolution? Oh, I’m so scared.////

The issue isn’t the percentage of registered voters—it’s the percentage of nutcases on my street.

131 Decatur Deb  Thu, May 2, 2013 4:59:54am

re: #127 Sol Berdinowitz

Then we have the Sovereign Citizens movement, which takes the concept of Nullification right down to a personal level: these people feel that they are compelled to obey only such laws as they as Constitutional.

Next town over is the nursery for one of the ‘strains’ of sovereign citizen scammers.

132 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Thu, May 2, 2013 5:12:52am

re: #131 Decatur Deb

Next town over is the nursery for one of the ‘strains’ of sovereign citizen scammers.

Hey, I’ve got a serious question for you, as a dude whose ethics I respect.

What do you think of the ethicality of scamming the kind of people who donate money to Freep, who donate money to Bachmann’s campaign, who donate money to the Heartland Institute, and using that money for something better?

Does the negative ethics of the deception outweigh the positive benefits of taking that money away from ill purposes and putting it to good purposes?

134 lawhawk  Thu, May 2, 2013 5:57:05am

Greets and saluts from the profane and shrill NYC metro area. Well, more like bringing Bronx cheer to all those who are near and dear (or afar and play a guitar).

Seriously Charles, someone thinks the site’s hysterical? Nice to know that the folks who think you’re still irrelevant as always are still reading along (and some still don’t understand how moderated comments work to keep the place from turning in to a troll/fever swamp).

135 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, May 2, 2013 5:57:13am

re: #132 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts

Hey, I’ve got a serious question for you, as a dude whose ethics I respect.

What do you think of the ethicality of scamming the kind of people who donate money to Freep, who donate money to Bachmann’s campaign, who donate money to the Heartland Institute, and using that money for something better?

Does the negative ethics of the deception outweigh the positive benefits of taking that money away from ill purposes and putting it to good purposes?

If you don’t mind playing into their martyr complex and giving them something else to be butthurt and self-righeous about when they find out how you have been scamming them…

136 Decatur Deb  Thu, May 2, 2013 6:01:50am

re: #132 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts

Hey, I’ve got a serious question for you, as a dude whose ethics I respect.

What do you think of the ethicality of scamming the kind of people who donate money to Freep, who donate money to Bachmann’s campaign, who donate money to the Heartland Institute, and using that money for something better?

Does the negative ethics of the deception outweigh the positive benefits of taking that money away from ill purposes and putting it to good purposes?

Sorry—been dogwalking.

Ethics—Wouldn’t scam them or lie to them. If we lessen the value of truth, we become them. I’ve thought of joining up just to help them find the contradictions in their own positions, but even that would be some BS false flag shtick. Think I’ve seen some signs that the saner Freepers pick up on comments from sites like this, and try to throttle back the ones that have gone full loon.

137 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Thu, May 2, 2013 6:12:14am

re: #136 Decatur Deb

And I assume that lying includes telling the absolute truth in a way that I know they’ll misinterpret?

This is the frustrating thing. They live lying to themselves.

138 lawhawk  Thu, May 2, 2013 6:13:32am
139 Decatur Deb  Thu, May 2, 2013 6:13:43am

re: #137 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts

And I assume that lying includes telling the absolute truth in a way that I know they’ll misinterpret?

This is the frustrating thing. They live lying to themselves.

True in some philosophical sense. Did you ever tell your wife a dress makes her look fat?

140 GunstarGreen  Thu, May 2, 2013 6:16:39am

re: #69 HappyWarrior

Yeah a lot of stupid there. Muslim trained yet he’s pushing a godless military. If Obama was the fanatical Muslim they want to believe he is, he’d be the most anti gay president in modern times, instead he’s easily the most pro gay president in recent times but I don’t expect logic from the Freepers.

Much the same as it is possible, in the completely insane worldview of the American right, to be both Socialist and Fascist, it is also possible to be both Muslim and Secular/Godless.

It’s not about truth. You know this. It never has been. It’s about hating people that aren’t like you.

“People clinging bitterly to their guns and religion, with antipathy towards those that aren’t like them”.

141 Mattand  Thu, May 2, 2013 6:23:56am

re: #132 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts

Hey, I’ve got a serious question for you, as a dude whose ethics I respect.

What do you think of the ethicality of scamming the kind of people who donate money to Freep, who donate money to Bachmann’s campaign, who donate money to the Heartland Institute, and using that money for something better?

Does the negative ethics of the deception outweigh the positive benefits of taking that money away from ill purposes and putting it to good purposes?

Not that I was asked, but no. A scam is a scam. It’s unethical.

To be honest, I’m always up in the air about this with Glenn Beck. Some days, I think this is exactly what he’s doing: fleecing right wingers for his own gain.

142 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Thu, May 2, 2013 6:25:23am

re: #139 Decatur Deb

True in some philosophical sense. Did you ever tell your wife a dress makes her look fat?

I actually quite honestly am ferociously attracted to my wife at any weight, so I tell her that instead.

143 Decatur Deb  Thu, May 2, 2013 6:26:59am

re: #142 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts

I actually quite honestly am ferociously attracted to my wife at any weight, so I tell her that instead.

Stick with that.

144 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 2, 2013 6:28:35am

re: #143 Decatur Deb

Stick with that.

“I love you no matter how much you weigh!”
“YOU THINK I’M FAT!” (SOBS)

145 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Thu, May 2, 2013 6:29:27am

re: #141 Mattand

Not that I was asked, but no. A scam is a scam. It’s unethical.

To be honest, I’m always up in the air about this with Glenn Beck. Some days, I think this is exactly what he’s doing: fleecing right wingers for his own gain.

I want to channel the money somewhere good, though. Somewhere actually good for the same people who are now getting scammed by Beck.

I’m not actually going to do this. It’s just more… trying to figure out how to deal with these guys, what possible avenues are open to dealing with their horrific influence on policy. We have a lot of shit that desperately needs doing, and I mean desperately.

I guess it’s ethically equivalent to stealing a problem gambler’s money and using it to fund research in how to stop problem gambling. He is going to lose the money anyway. You can know this with great confidence.

Still unethical, but when he’s gambling for his life—

Hey, can anyone tell that I reconnected with an old friend who’s a Hungarian philosophy major? Shit’s deep yo.

146 Decatur Deb  Thu, May 2, 2013 6:29:50am

re: #144 Vicious Babushka

“I love you no matter how much you weigh!”
“YOU THINK I’M FAT!” (SOBS)

And you wonder why we wear earbuds with the mp3 disconnected.

147 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Thu, May 2, 2013 6:30:55am

re: #143 Decatur Deb

Stick with that.

Well, it’s been easy recently since she’s been getting back into shape and losing weight— she’d put on a little from med school and the broken leg. Now she’s at her lightest in a long time— as am I— and she’s started riding her bike to work, too. She’s got the “I need to buy new clothes because I went down a size” problem. So I don’t even have to check the parsing of statements before delivering compliments.

148 GunstarGreen  Thu, May 2, 2013 6:34:12am

re: #91 dragonath

Yeah, well, that’s the kind of shit that happens when the country with the most nukes in the world, the only country to have ever actually used nukes (and against a civilian population no less), tries to tell everyone else that they can’t have nukes.

Other nations aren’t stupid. When they see an asshole walking down the block with a baseball bat, they start picking up their own bats and pipes just in case he gets any ideas.

149 lawhawk  Thu, May 2, 2013 6:44:42am

This goes directly to the ongoing debate about the limits of presidential power in moving Congress and to all the pundit sneering about Obama’s insistence that a “permission structure” is needed for GOP officials to compromise with the president. As Brian Beutler put it yesterday, Obama is right: Nothing will happen unless he can “create atmospheric and procedural and rhetorical conditions that might allow House Republicans to give Obama something he wants without appearing to have consorted with him in any way.” He need to “find a sort of legislative wormhole connecting the House GOP’s irrational universe and the universe everyone else inhabits.” GOP Senator Pat Toomey has also confirmed a variation of this, i.e., that Republican voters across the country won’t let their representatives compromise with the president.

Just look at the NYT/CBS polling. It finds that 88 percent continue to support expanding background checks. Fifty nine percent are angry about the vote against the recent vote against Manchin-Toomey, versus only 36 percent who are satisfied or enthusiastic. Eighty percent support a path to citizenship if conditions are met. Fifty seven percent support reducing the deficit with a combination of taxes and spending cuts (the Dem position) while only 36 percent support reducing it with only cuts (the GOP position).

And yet, with the possible exception of immigration — because Republicans perceive a possible existential threat from changing demographics – Obama can’t win GOP cooperation on these issues, because to Republicans, cooperation with Obama equals losing. But the way to change this dynamic is supposedly to show more … presidential leadership, even though public support is already overwhelming for his positions, and even though Republicans don’t want to be publicly associated with Obama’s displays of leadership in the first place, let alone allow him any victories.

Obama hatred subsumes all else, and denying him a political achievement is first and foremost on GOP minds, even on issues with which there’s common cause and even agreement on the principle.

But this isn’t anything we haven’t seen before. The GOP repeatedly called for an individual mandate as a way to improve access to health insurance, but the moment the President took the idea and ran with it, the GOP became its most vociferous opponent and began claiming that it was unconstitutional (and nearly got away with that notion too).

The problem is much more severe in the House than the Senate, but the GOP in both chambers are busy obstructing business of governance all because they can’t be seen as working with the President unless the GOP leaders see an existential threat to their own constituency. That’s why they moved so quick on the FAA sequester adjustment (but oddly aren’t moving to fix it across the board because they’re still largely supporting the massive cuts to government spending).

150 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Thu, May 2, 2013 6:48:35am

re: #139 Decatur Deb

True in some philosophical sense. Did you ever tell your wife a dress makes her look fat?

“Not nearly as fat as you look naked.”

151 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, May 2, 2013 6:49:06am

re: #117 Vicious Babushka

LOL TEH EEBIL SOROS BOUGHT JCPENNEY


I don’t think even Teh EEbil Overlord Soros can save JC Penney (I see they have already tossed the JCP logo). That store is so going down in flames.

I would still shop at Sears for appliances, but there is NOTHING at Penney’s that I can’t find somewhere else (mainly Target) cheaper, and a better selection.

I used to do some clothes shopping in Penney’s periodically (mainly for Dockers and stuff like that.) Last time in there was about a month ago and there was a clearly noticeable decline in what they were stocking, and also employee morale. Essentially the experience was bad enough that I am not going back.

Sears has been off my list for years ever since they gave me the runaround for trying to return a bike rack that was missing parts and also had defective parts; e.g. holes in a metal bracket drilled in the wrong place and thus making the rack unusable.

152 Mattand  Thu, May 2, 2013 6:51:06am

re: #145 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts

I want to channel the money somewhere good, though. Somewhere actually good for the same people who are now getting scammed by Beck.

I’m not actually going to do this. It’s just more… trying to figure out how to deal with these guys, what possible avenues are open to dealing with their horrific influence on policy. We have a lot of shit that desperately needs doing, and I mean desperately.

I guess it’s ethically equivalent to stealing a problem gambler’s money and using it to fund research in how to stop problem gambling. He is going to lose the money anyway. You can know this with great confidence.

Still unethical, but when he’s gambling for his life—

Hey, can anyone tell that I reconnected with an old friend who’s a Hungarian philosophy major? Shit’s deep yo.

I hear you. I think the big problem is that at some point, you’re lying to them in order to take their money. It depends on how big a fan one is of “the ends justify the means.”

The gambling thing is a good analogy. You yourself are gambling that by taking the addict’s money, the addict will have that epiphany that will make them seek help.

What would be the odds on that?

I would imagine scamming an average Freeper, and showing them the good deed you’ve done with their money would only drive them further away. They didn’t become Freepers by a rational thought process.

153 Bulworth  Thu, May 2, 2013 6:52:06am

Because nothing says Christ-like behavior more than the Breitbart media team.

//

154 lawhawk  Thu, May 2, 2013 6:52:59am

re: #151 Feline Fearless Leader

I’ll still go to Sears for appliances and hardware, but not anything else. Kohls takes the place of Sears, KMart, and JCP and even Macys and does it at competitive prices and quality on most everything else. The Mrs used to go shopping in JCP more often, but Kohls is now the go-to place for us.

155 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 2, 2013 6:53:38am

re: #151 Feline Fearless Leader

I used to do some clothes shopping in Penney’s periodically (mainly for Dockers and stuff like that.) Last time in there was about a month ago and there was a clearly noticeable decline in what they were stocking, and also employee morale. Essentially the experience was bad enough that I am not going back.

Sears has been off my list for years ever since they gave me the runaround for trying to return a bike rack that was missing parts and also had defective parts; e.g. holes in a metal bracket drilled in the wrong place and thus making the rack unusable.

I see the guy they hired to turn the company around has failed spectacularly, and he has been sacked, but he still managed to rake in 1,800 times more than the average JCP employee, who has also been sacked.

156 Decatur Deb  Thu, May 2, 2013 6:55:21am

re: #149 lawhawk

Obama hatred subsumes all else, and denying him a political achievement is first and foremost on GOP minds, even on issues with which there’s common cause and even agreement on the principle.

But this isn’t anything we haven’t seen before. The GOP repeatedly called for an individual mandate as a way to improve access to health insurance, but the moment the President took the idea and ran with it, the GOP became its most vociferous opponent and began claiming that it was unconstitutional (and nearly got away with that notion too).

The problem is much more severe in the House than the Senate, but the GOP in both chambers are busy obstructing business of governance all because they can’t be seen as working with the President unless the GOP leaders see an existential threat to their own constituency. That’s why they moved so quick on the FAA sequester adjustment (but oddly aren’t moving to fix it across the board because they’re still largely supporting the massive cuts to government spending).

If we want anything more out of the Obama presidency we will have to turn the coming midterm election into very atypical Dem turnout. Post-2012 victory fatigue is just an unaffordable luxury. There is a slight chance of improving the House, but it’s critical that we strengthen the Senate in the face of USSC vacancies. One more fukn’ time to the breach, etc…

157 Bulworth  Thu, May 2, 2013 6:55:29am

re: #113 William Barnett-Lewis

Sorry, no snow allowed in May. April, maybe, just a little. But May, no.

158 Bulworth  Thu, May 2, 2013 6:56:27am

re: #133 Vicious Babushka

OUTRAGE!!!

159 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 2, 2013 6:58:19am

LOL

160 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, May 2, 2013 7:01:37am

re: #155 Vicious Babushka

I see the guy they hired to turn the company around has failed spectacularly, and he has been sacked, but he still managed to rake in 1,800 times more than the average JCP employee, who has also been sacked.

Kicker is that changing the top often really doesn’t work beyond possibly shoring up the stock price for a period of time. The bottom-level employee is not interacting with the CEO - they are interacting with the two levels of management above them. If those two levels are not convinced to change behaviors then the company is going to behave the same and the morale will continue to crumble (same shit, different day*).

I have been through too many “corporate culture” training attempts. Based on frog-knows how many different flavors of presentation; Deming philosophy, 7 kinds of worker, etc. etc. The only one that I saw sort of work after a buy-out also involved a pretty thorough management purge as well.

* - Dilbert (back when it was funnier) covered this with their “bungee VP” cartoon.

161 Mattand  Thu, May 2, 2013 7:02:44am

re: #149 lawhawk

I’m not a fan of one-party rule, but after Pat Toomey’s bombshell/obvious statement of fact, I’m really beginning to push for an all Democratic Legislative branch.

Are the Dems perfect? No.

Are the Dems as beholden to corporate interests as the GOP? Probably.

But, Jesus Fucking Christ, a second Republican Senator admitted publicly that his party mates’ biggest agenda is trying to destroy Obama. At the expense of our country’s well being.

This has got to stop.

It was really blood boiling to watch Kay Bailey Hutchinson last night completely dodge Jon Stewart’s comments on how she was in the room when McConnell said, “We’re going to make Obama a one term president.”*

She didn’t deny she was there. She’s got the same blinders on the conservatives/Republicans who post here have. If this is how they’re going to “deal” with the radical right wing in the GOP, all of them need to be vote out.

* Don’t even get me started on how Stewart brought it up and then let it drop. Swear to God, I think he was really worried about looking like he was picking on the soft spoken grandmotherly lady next to him.

162 GeneJockey  Thu, May 2, 2013 7:05:26am

re: #103 freetoken

Continuing to work on genealogy, and one of the frustrating things is the amount of bad leads out there. So many of the family trees on ancestry.com are like Breitbrat wingnut articles - un-sourced and erroneous.

I know! I run into a solid wall at the 1850 Census. I can’t find anything that I can confirm on any of my ancestors not alive at that time, plus I am hampered by my name - looking for people named “Smith” in Pennsylvania is like looking for a needle in a needle stack.

163 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Thu, May 2, 2013 7:06:09am

re: #161 Mattand

I am more and more convinced that the office of the president is a massively problematic one on every level. We should have something quite a bit different, with a lot more distributed power, because this unitary executive thing both fucks up politics a lot by making that one election of megaimportance and by giving the ‘other side’ a single guy to hate with the fiery passion of a thousand suns.

The problem is it’s so mythical and we like having a ‘leader’, in US culture, which is really funny if you think about it given we’re supposed to be so goddamn independent.

164 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, May 2, 2013 7:07:02am

Had a “Respectful Workplace Training” seminar yesterday. Basically covering the harassment and safe workplace environment thing.

One slide has a statement that I did write down:

Between what I think I want to say, what I believe I’m saying, what I say, what you want to hear, what you believe you understand, and what you understand, there are at least nine possibilities for misunderstanding.

165 Stanghazi  Thu, May 2, 2013 7:08:47am

Fire warnings today is So Cal. Supposed to be 20 degrees warmer than yesterday. Yippee!!

166 lawhawk  Thu, May 2, 2013 7:10:59am

Bangladesh factory disaster update. The death toll is well over 400. They’re still trying to extricate remains from the collapsed ruins. Families are still trying to find their loved ones and many have already been buried in mass graves because authorities couldn’t (or don’t) have the means to carry out the identifications - think DNA testing.

Western businesses are still debating their own postures on improving factory conditions and safety, but this morning Disney announced that it will no longer produce/source any of its garments in Bangladesh (and the ban also extends to Pakistan).

Walmart isn’t committing to a deal that would improve the situation in Bangladesh because they’re not willing to be on the hook for repairs to factories when their owners are wealthy enough to pay for the repairs themselves. They also don’t want the details of the inspection audits made public, since they may reveal unflattering conditions and a lack of oversight on safety issues.

168 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 2, 2013 7:14:30am

re: #163 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts

I am more and more convinced that the office of the president is a massively problematic one on every level. We should have something quite a bit different, with a lot more distributed power, because this unitary executive thing both fucks up politics a lot by making that one election of megaimportance and by giving the ‘other side’ a single guy to hate with the fiery passion of a thousand suns.

The problem is it’s so mythical and we like having a ‘leader’, in US culture, which is really funny if you think about it given we’re supposed to be so goddamn independent.

Other countries have a “President” for formal diplomatic events and a “Prime Minister” for political duties.

169 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Thu, May 2, 2013 7:14:59am

re: #167 NJDhockeyfan

Hah, I like the guy who thinks he’s being set up because he’s a man. That’s great. What a maroon.

170 GeneJockey  Thu, May 2, 2013 7:15:14am

re: #166 lawhawk

So, not only have we destroyed jobs here and decimated the working and middle classes, we’ve essentially exported the labor conditions of the early 20th Century.

Yay us.

171 Mattand  Thu, May 2, 2013 7:15:19am

re: #163 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts

I am more and more convinced that the office of the president is a massively problematic one on every level. We should have something quite a bit different, with a lot more distributed power, because this unitary executive thing both fucks up politics a lot by making that one election of megaimportance and by giving the ‘other side’ a single guy to hate with the fiery passion of a thousand suns.

The problem is it’s so mythical and we like having a ‘leader’, in US culture, which is really funny if you think about it given we’re supposed to be so goddamn independent.

Combine that with the archaic death pact that is the 2nd Amendment, and I think you’re touching on something bigger: maybe we need to modernize the Constitution. We’re dealing with issues that the Founders could not have possibly foreseen, even given how smart some of them were.

I mean, think about it: the Constitution was written by a group of white, nominally Christian/Deist guys, some of whom were slave holders. It was written, what? 70 years before The Origin of Species was published?

Women weren’t allowed to vote. Gay people weren’t so much as in the closet as they were in the foundation under the house. It took all day to travel 20 miles; a trip to Europe took a month, not 8 hours. A gun could fire maybe two shots in a minute.

Sorry, kids, I love the Constitution but it’s starting to show its age.

172 ProBosniaLiberal  Thu, May 2, 2013 7:17:13am

My little sister just fucked up in a new and exciting way.

173 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 2, 2013 7:20:58am

What kind of pie should I make for tomorrow? Key Lime or Lemon Meringue?

174 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Thu, May 2, 2013 7:22:03am

re: #171 Mattand

Rewriting the Constitution is just amending it. It’s already been rewritten in some very significant ways, like changing senators to direct election, by expanding citizenship, etc.

Right now we have fetishists for the original constitution, and some of them disagree with those changes specifically, but rewriting the Constitution is something the founders wanted us to do and we’re really falling down on the job.

175 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, May 2, 2013 7:22:21am

re: #173 Vicious Babushka

What kind of pie should I make for tomorrow? Key Lime or Lemon Meringue?

Key Lime!

176 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Thu, May 2, 2013 7:22:39am

re: #172 ProBosniaLiberal

My little sister just fucked up in a new and exciting way.

When you post enigmatic shit like that, are you hoping someone will ask you how she fucked up, or are you just venting, or what? It’s really annoying.

177 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, May 2, 2013 7:22:44am

re: #170 GeneJockey

So, not only have we destroyed jobs here and decimated the working and middle classes, we’ve essentially exported the labor conditions of the early 20th Century.

Yay us.

You’d think that the conservative “keep jobs in the USA” lawmakers would use this to agitate for laws to push corporations to bring production back to the US rather than allow it to be done in sweatshops overseas that allow lots of people to get killed.

Until you think about how that would potentially affect the profits of their donors.

178 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, May 2, 2013 7:24:06am

re: #171 Mattand

Combine that with the archaic death pact that is the 2nd Amendment, and I think you’re touching on something bigger: maybe we need to modernize the Constitution. We’re dealing with issues that the Founders could not have possibly foreseen, even given how smart some of them were.

I mean, think about it: the Constitution was written by a group of white, nominally Christian/Deist guys, some of whom were slave holders. It was written, what? 70 years before The Origin of Species was published?

Women weren’t allowed to vote. Gay people weren’t so much as in the closet as they were in the foundation under the house. It took all day to travel 20 miles; a trip to Europe took a month, not 8 hours. A gun could fire maybe two shots in a minute.

Sorry, kids, I love the Constitution but it’s starting to show its age.

You forgot that there was not even universal male suffrage at that point. I think there were still property-holding requirements in place.

179 Targetpractice  Thu, May 2, 2013 7:24:27am

re: #177 Feline Fearless Leader

You’d think that the conservative “keep jobs in the USA” lawmakers would use this to agitate for laws to push corporations to bring production back to the US rather than allow it to be done in sweatshops overseas that allow lots of people to get killed.

Until you think about how that would potentially affect the profits of their donors.

Not to mention that their constituents will rip them new ones when Wal-Mart has to start selling those cheap t-shirts with the latest hype new phrases for $20 apiece instead of $5.

180 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 2, 2013 7:24:38am

re: #178 Feline Fearless Leader

You forgot that there was not even universal male suffrage at that point. I think there were still property-holding requirements in place.

And religious tests.

181 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 2, 2013 7:25:34am

re: #177 Feline Fearless Leader

You’d think that the conservative “keep jobs in the USA” lawmakers would use this to agitate for laws to push corporations to bring production back to the US rather than allow it to be done in sweatshops overseas that allow lots of people to get killed.

Until you think about how that would potentially affect the profits of their donors.

WE CAN’T BRING JRRBZ BACK TO TEH USA BECAUZ UF YOONYUNZ!!11!!

182 lawhawk  Thu, May 2, 2013 7:26:00am

re: #173 Vicious Babushka

What kind of pie should I make for tomorrow? Key Lime or Lemon Meringue?

Key Lime. Definitely Key Lime.

183 ProBosniaLiberal  Thu, May 2, 2013 7:26:09am

re: #176 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts

Venting. Because something will blow up at home, and I prefer to let off some steam.

She advised someone to get an abortion, or to induce one chemically. Also, she is getting bullied like hell at school. She’s wanting to do online schooling.

185 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 2, 2013 7:26:54am

re: #182 lawhawk

Key Lime. Definitely Key Lime.

Keeping track. I will announce the results of the vote this evening. The pie will be proudly served tomorrow morning in the LGF cafeteria.

186 Decatur Deb  Thu, May 2, 2013 7:27:01am

re: #170 GeneJockey

So, not only have we destroyed jobs here and decimated the working and middle classes, we’ve essentially exported the labor conditions of the early 20th Century.

Yay us.

When we sent Pittsburgh’s jobs to Harbin, we sent the air and water quality too.

187 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, May 2, 2013 7:28:31am

re: #171 Mattand

Sorry, kids, I love the Constitution but it’s starting to show its age.

And what, pray tell, do you think you’d replace it with? Look around and tell me what is working better than our system?

The perfect is the enemy of good enough. The current constitution, for all it’s warts, remains good enough and I’ll keep it rather than lose the good bits trying to pretend we can get something better.

188 Decatur Deb  Thu, May 2, 2013 7:29:05am

re: #171 Mattand

…snip
Sorry, kids, I love the Constitution but it’s starting to show its age.

Fortunately, it has provisions for nip and tuck.

189 blueraven  Thu, May 2, 2013 7:29:12am

re: #185 Vicious Babushka

Keeping track. I will announce the results of the vote this evening. The pie will be proudly served tomorrow morning in the LGF cafeteria.

You could start a new weekly column here…The Weekly Pie
Complete with the recipe, tips etc…

190 Stephen T.  Thu, May 2, 2013 7:29:27am

re: #129 Vicious Babushka

WINGNUT GREAT IDEA


They tried that in Georgia, remember? Tons of fruits and vegetables rotted in the fields because all those unemployed IT workers didn’t want to pick them.

It isn’t that the IT workers didn’t want to pick them, it is that the growers didn’t want to hire the IT workers at the legal minimum wage.

191 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, May 2, 2013 7:30:11am

re: #173 Vicious Babushka

What kind of pie should I make for tomorrow? Key Lime or Lemon Meringue?

Apple. But then, I’ll always say that as I only eat fruit pie and that’s my favorite.

Hey! I wonder if a Apple Meringue is possible? ;)

192 GeneJockey  Thu, May 2, 2013 7:30:22am

re: #177 Feline Fearless Leader

You’d think that the conservative “keep jobs in the USA” lawmakers would use this to agitate for laws to push corporations to bring production back to the US rather than allow it to be done in sweatshops overseas that allow lots of people to get killed.

Uh, no. I wouldn’t think that, because a law that would push a corporation to do anything would be anathema to Conservatives. And I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a ‘conservative “keep jobs in the USA” lawmaker’, just the ones who want to use the loss of jobs as a reason to destroy Unions and safety regs.

193 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, May 2, 2013 7:30:33am

re: #187 William Barnett-Lewis

And what, pray tell, do you think you’d replace it with? Look around and tell me what is working better than our system?

The perfect is the enemy of good enough. The current constitution, for all it’s warts, remains good enough and I’ll keep it rather than lose the good bits trying to pretend we can get something better.

No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.

- Winston Churchill (1947)

194 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Thu, May 2, 2013 7:30:42am

re: #183 ProBosniaLiberal

Venting. Because something will blow up at home, and I prefer to let off some steam.

She advised someone to get an abortion, or to induce one chemically. Also, she is getting bullied like hell at school. She’s wanting to do online schooling.

I wasn’t actually asking what was going on. I’m saying that when you just say short enigmatic lines that really seem like a plaintive attempt to get someone to ask for more, it’s really annoying. If you want to talk about what’s going on, then just write it out, don’t just drop little dramatic lines.

195 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, May 2, 2013 7:31:40am

Heh…

Leader of anti-Semitic party in Hungary discovers he is Jewish

BUDAPEST, HUNGARY—As a rising star in Hungary’s far-right Jobbik Party, Csanad Szegedi was notorious for his incendiary comments on Jews: He accused them of “buying up” the country, railed about the “Jewishness” of the political elite and claimed Jews were desecrating national symbols.

Then came a revelation that knocked him off his perch as ultra-nationalist standard-bearer: Szegedi himself is a Jew.

196 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 2, 2013 7:31:51am

re: #189 blueraven

You could start a new weekly column here…The Weekly Pie
Complete with the recipe, tips etc…

I used to have It’s Pie Day! featured at my blog but Zedushka has diabetes so the pie days can’t occur too frequently.

Also, after a while you run out of new ideas and go back to old favorites.

197 blueraven  Thu, May 2, 2013 7:33:18am

re: #196 Vicious Babushka

I used to have It’s Pie Day! featured at my blog but Zedushka has diabetes so the pie days can’t occur too frequently.

Also, after a while you run out of new ideas and go back to old favorites.

Cool…bookmarked! I am a pretty good cook but not a very good baker at all.

198 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Thu, May 2, 2013 7:33:37am

re: #195 NJDhockeyfan

Due to the complexities of ethnicity and politics, there’s a ton of Jews out there who don’t know that they’re Jews.

199 ProBosniaLiberal  Thu, May 2, 2013 7:33:38am

re: #194 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts

I felt I had to.

She’s also having really, really rough time with Standards Based Grading.

200 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 2, 2013 7:33:53am

re: #192 GeneJockey

Uh, no. I wouldn’t think that, because a law that would push a corporation to do anything would be anathema to Conservatives. And I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a ‘conservative “keep jobs in the USA” lawmaker’, just the ones who want to use the loss of jobs as a reason to destroy Unions and safety regs.

And also, MOAR TAX BREAKS for the 1% because JRRB CREATURZ!!1

201 lawhawk  Thu, May 2, 2013 7:33:58am

re: #191 William Barnett-Lewis

Sure, it could be done. The meringue has more to do with the structure of the whipped cream than anything else - you could put it over an apple tart for instance. Just don’t think that flavor combination works though, although if you add the right bit of vanilla to the meringue you might get a good mix.

202 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 2, 2013 7:34:57am

re: #199 ProBosniaLiberal

I felt I had to.

She’s also having really, really rough time with Standards Based Grading.

It’s really not appropriate to discuss your family members personal issues here. It’s an invasion of their privacy and it makes you look bad.

203 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, May 2, 2013 7:35:13am

Work meeting…bbl.

204 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Thu, May 2, 2013 7:35:51am

re: #199 ProBosniaLiberal

I felt I had to.

She’s also having really, really rough time with Standards Based Grading.

I’m not asking you what’s going on with your sister. I can’t do anything with the information, I don’t know her, and it serves no useful purpose to me. You seem like you really need someone to talk to— are you still in therapy? I think I remember you being in therapy.

205 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 2, 2013 7:36:59am

I haven’t made a pecan pie in ages. Every time I make one, I can’t get the filling just right, it always comes out too runny, or else it’s tooth-achingly sweet.

206 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, May 2, 2013 7:38:34am

re: #201 lawhawk

Sure, it could be done. The meringue has more to do with the structure of the whipped cream than anything else - you could put it over an apple tart for instance. Just don’t think that flavor combination works though, although if you add the right bit of vanilla to the meringue you might get a good mix.

Knew I forgot the // but you have a good point.

It did get me pondering… an apple crisp (lots of oatmeal, cinnamon & nutmeg goodness) in the bottom of the pie crust with a vanilla custard topping. Might not work but it’d be fun trying…

207 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 2, 2013 7:41:16am

re: #206 William Barnett-Lewis

Knew I forgot the // but you have a good point.

It did get me pondering… an apple crisp (lots of oatmeal, cinnamon & nutmeg goodness) in the bottom of the pie crust with a vanilla custard topping. Might not work but it’d be fun trying…

Apple pie with a crushed gingersnap crust, that could work.

208 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, May 2, 2013 7:41:19am

re: #206 William Barnett-Lewis

Knew I forgot the // but you have a good point.

It did get me pondering… an apple crisp (lots of oatmeal, cinnamon & nutmeg goodness) in the bottom of the pie crust with a vanilla custard topping. Might not work but it’d be fun trying…

The challenge with the custard fillings is keeping the crust crisp and not letting it get soggy. The one cookbook suggested letting the custard cool a bit before putting it in the shell. Warm still, but not yet set.

209 ProBosniaLiberal  Thu, May 2, 2013 7:42:11am

re: #204 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts

I was, but I have fallen out of the habit because of work and looking for mosques.

210 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 2, 2013 7:44:29am

In two weeks is the awesomeist of all awesome Jewish holidays:

I CAN HAZ CHEEZKAKE

211 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Thu, May 2, 2013 7:45:47am

re: #209 ProBosniaLiberal

I was, but I have fallen out of the habit because of work and looking for mosques.

When you start spilling inappropriate sensitive family shit onto messageboards, it is time to go see a therapist again. You have enormous rage issues and you seem upset nearly all the time. You really need someone who is on your side to talk to. Please find someone.

212 ProBosniaLiberal  Thu, May 2, 2013 7:46:00am

Assad destroyed a French-Built suspension bridge today. Beautiful thing too.

Deiz-ez Zor looks like Berlin circa 1945.

213 lawhawk  Thu, May 2, 2013 7:50:12am

re: #210 Vicious Babushka

I thought that was Purim (mostly because you’re obligated to get fall-down drunk), or Hannukah (gifts! Sufganiyot!). Not a big cheesecake fan…

214 blueraven  Thu, May 2, 2013 7:53:16am

re: #210 Vicious Babushka

In two weeks is the awesomeist of all awesome Jewish holidays:

I CAN HAZ CHEEZKAKE

As stated I am not a great baker but I do make a pretty mean peach cobbler. I see your recipe is basically the one I use, except that I use self rising flour and add a touch more baking powder.

215 ProBosniaLiberal  Thu, May 2, 2013 7:53:38am

re: #212 ProBosniaLiberal

As I continue to see the horrors of that Civil War in Syria, I begin to think that a boots-on-the-grounds intervention should be done to stop this. Jordan is groaning under the weight of the refugees, and the King has said that he can’t turn away the children and the wounded. Get Turkey and the Kurds to tag along.

Lebanon looks about ready to blow up as well. We also need to reform our immigration system to accept more refugees.

We really need to raise taxes. This is getting ridiculous.

216 sffilk  Thu, May 2, 2013 7:55:14am

re: #205 Vicious Babushka

I haven’t made a pecan pie in ages. Every time I make one, I can’t get the filling just right, it always comes out too runny, or else it’s tooth-achingly sweet.

And that’s a bad thing because … ?

217 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 2, 2013 7:55:31am

re: #215 ProBosniaLiberal

As I continue to see the horrors of that Civil War in Syria, I begin to think that a boots-on-the-grounds intervention should be done to stop this.

Getting involved in another war WOULD SUCK.

218 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 2, 2013 7:56:48am

AND BRYAN THINKS CHRISTIANS ARE “PERSECUTED”
GO EAT A BAG OF DICKS, BRYAN

219 ProBosniaLiberal  Thu, May 2, 2013 7:58:43am

re: #217 Vicious Babushka

Morally, something must be done to stop this. The only way this will end with a Genocide on somebody is if someone topples Assad, then disarms the militias, and attacks Jabhat al-Nusra. It would also serve as a honey-pot in the region to soak up nutjobs, and you could use it grind them into dust.

220 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 2, 2013 8:00:05am

re: #219 ProBosniaLiberal

Morally, something must be done to stop this. The only way this will end with a Genocide on somebody is if someone topples Assad Saddam, then disarms the militias, and attacks Jabhat al-Nusra Tikrit. It would also serve as a honey-pot in the region to soak up nutjobs, and you could use it grind them into dust.

What could possibly go wrong?

221 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Thu, May 2, 2013 8:00:14am

re: #219 ProBosniaLiberal

It would also serve as a honey-pot in the region to soak up nutjobs, and you could use it grind them into dust.

Does it give you the slightest, slightest pause in the least that this was exactly one of the rationales for Iraq?

222 dragonath  Thu, May 2, 2013 8:00:31am

re: #218 Vicious Babushka

Fischer should grow sideburns, he’d look like the mayor guy from Blazing Saddles.

223 GunstarGreen  Thu, May 2, 2013 8:00:41am

re: #218 Vicious Babushka

THOSE TERRIBLE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO START COURT-MARTIALING CHRISTIANS FOR SHARING THEIR FAITH! MUSLIMS SHOULDN’T EVEN BE ALLOWED IN THE MILITARY!!!1!!11!

224 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 2, 2013 8:03:00am
225 GunstarGreen  Thu, May 2, 2013 8:03:58am

re: #190 Stephen T.

It isn’t that the IT workers didn’t want to pick them, it is that the growers didn’t want to hire the IT workers at the legal minimum wage.

Pretty much. Though I’m a (thankfully employed) IT worker now, I did my time in the minimum wage bracket here in the rotten peaches state. Fuckers would work you right up until the limit where they’d have to start giving you benefits, then cut you off and bring in some other poor sap to do the job the rest of the week.

Hell, they’d work you until 1 minute before the company standard policy required a 15-minute break to become a 30-minute break. They wouldn’t LET you work more for them.

226 ProBosniaLiberal  Thu, May 2, 2013 8:05:04am

re: #221 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts

I was in Middle School at the time, so I wasn’t aware of that particular reasoning.

However the rest of the point still stands. That just means we strictly control who goes in and out, and what gets in or out. And get the Turks and Kurds to come along. They would ameliorate the difficulty.

Something needs to be done, on a moral level at least. Also, do we want this destabilizing the region? Likely not.

227 dragonath  Thu, May 2, 2013 8:07:33am

re: #226 ProBosniaLiberal

Inviting every radical group to fight in a existential war over the corpse of Syria wouldn’t exactly help the refugee problem you were describing earlier, you know.

228 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Thu, May 2, 2013 8:09:39am

re: #226 ProBosniaLiberal

I was in Middle School at the time, so I wasn’t aware of that particular reasoning.

However the rest of the point still stands. That just means we strictly control who goes in and out. And get the Turks and Kurds to come along. They would ameliorate the difficulty.

Something needs to be done, on a moral level at least. Also, do we want this destabilizing the region? Likely not.

Get the Turks and the Kurds to come along.

For fuck’s sake. The Turks and the Kurds. The Turks and the Kurds, shoulder to shoulder.

Next up: The Greek/Macedonian alliance, followed with the the Israel/Saudi Arabian joint exercise, and the Chinese/Tibetan unified front.

There’s been a little, a little movement for the Kurds inside Turkey. But never mind, this is just a fantasy for you anyway.

229 ProBosniaLiberal  Thu, May 2, 2013 8:11:02am

re: #226 ProBosniaLiberal

You institute Border Controls then. You keep a good eye out to make sure people and shit you don’t want coming in don’t come in.

230 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 2, 2013 8:11:51am

re: #229 ProBosniaLiberal

You institute Border Controls then. You keep a good eye out to make sure people and shit you don’t want coming in don’t come in.

*FACE PALM*

231 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, May 2, 2013 8:12:02am

re: #219 ProBosniaLiberal

Morally, something must be done to stop this. The only way this will end with a Genocide on somebody is if someone topples Assad, then disarms the militias, and attacks Jabhat al-Nusra. It would also serve as a honey-pot in the region to soak up nutjobs, and you could use it grind them into dust.

Nice to live as a simple civilian in a region you’ve selected as the “honeypot” to grind up nutjobs.

“Your example. Their village.”
- Dr Zhivago

232 dragonath  Thu, May 2, 2013 8:12:27am

re: #224 Vicious Babushka

Aww that’s cute. Bryan wants to “share”.

233 ProBosniaLiberal  Thu, May 2, 2013 8:12:57am

re: #228 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts

The PKK and the Turks are at a cease-fire right now. And it sounds like they are talking.

That’s where the thought is coming from. Get them to sign a deal as fast as diplomatically possible, and turn around and deal with this.

I should note that Iraqi Kurdistan and Turkey do get along. And, if I am not mistaken, the Peshmerga still exists.

234 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 2, 2013 8:14:47am

re: #232 dragonath

Aww that’s cute. Bryan wants to “share”.

Bryan has no idea how fucking OPPRESSIVE it is to be the target of someone who wants to “save” you from ETERNAL HELLFIRE.

It sucks even MOAR if you’re in the military and the one doing the witnessing at you is a superior.

235 kirkspencer  Thu, May 2, 2013 8:15:20am

re: #190 Stephen T.

It isn’t that the IT workers didn’t want to pick them, it is that the growers didn’t want to hire the IT workers at the legal minimum wage.

oh, it was legal minimum wage, no benefits, etc.

Picking is kinda like sales in that there’s a base wage (minimum wage) and a performance pay (piece rate - pay per bushel or box or whatever). And farmers have this opinion that the picker should, as a minimum, pick the minimum wage. IT workers weren’t.

Taking one example: jalapenos. 25 cents per box (half a bushel). Minimum wage, then, requires picking 14 1/2 bushels per hour. And experienced pickers easily exceed that, doing as much as $20 per hour (40 bushels an hour) - though the norm runs more around $12-14 per hour.

The thing is it takes time and practice to pick that well, and you have to be able to stay out in the sun from sun up to sun down (picking is legally exempt from overtime). And you have to learn to bring water (because the farmer will charge you) and miscellaneous supplies (he’s required to have a porta-john, but he’s not required to pay for toilet paper).

If you’ve ever had a garden you have a glimmering of what this all means. If you’ve worked a farm you know it in intimate detail. For those few days you do the work that makes up for the relatively nothing you do over the winter. (Well, beside maintain tools and repair gear and all that. But it’s inside and at your own pace.)

Me, I picked back when it was ten cents a bushel (not box), back when minimum wage was about $3.50 or 3.75 an hour (memory fades). The only reason I didn’t get told to take a hike the first few days was it was my uncle’s farm. I eventually got to where I could pick more than minimum wage. But I happily took various restaurant jobs and moved furniture when I got old enough to do them because they were a LOT less work, even after dealing with customers.

It is not that the IT people were paid less than minimum wage. It’s that they were woefully underpaid for the amount of labor being provided, and that at those rates they couldn’t ‘earn’ enough to justify minimum wage.

236 ProBosniaLiberal  Thu, May 2, 2013 8:16:38am

re: #233 ProBosniaLiberal

I just want this horrible hell to stop.

237 dragonath  Thu, May 2, 2013 8:17:50am

re: #231 Feline Fearless Leader

Nice to live as a simple civilian in a region you’ve selected as the “honeypot” to grind up nutjobs.

“Your example. Their village.”
- Dr Zhivago

Man, I’m having flashbacks now. In high school, there was a YR sort in my class who swore that, in Iraq, there was no such thing as “collateral damage”.

Besides giving intellectual cover to war criminals, no one could convince the guy that maybe some people weren’t the fuck involved.

238 darthstar  Thu, May 2, 2013 8:18:40am
239 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Thu, May 2, 2013 8:18:58am

re: #233 ProBosniaLiberal

I’m sorry, I can’t deal with this. It’s just a bunch of fantasy. It has no bearing on reality. The Turks and the Kurds aren’t going to work together, the border of goddamn Syria is not secure-able. Take a look at a map.

There is no value at all in coming up with fantasy scenarios where everything comes out okay. I understand this all upsets you but these elaborate fantasies are just fatuous when actually expressed.

240 ProBosniaLiberal  Thu, May 2, 2013 8:19:36am

re: #231 Feline Fearless Leader

Once Obdicut informed me on that, I dropped it. I was honestly unaware of that.

241 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Thu, May 2, 2013 8:21:30am

re: #165 Stanley Sea

Fire warnings today is So Cal. Supposed to be 20 degrees warmer than yesterday. Yippee!!

Yesterday: high 82F, low 64F
Today: high 55F, low 37F.

242 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 2, 2013 8:21:59am

re: #240 ProBosniaLiberal

Please, please, please find an Imam in your area and get some spiritual counseling. Meds would help, but you need somebody to talk to face to face.

243 darthstar  Thu, May 2, 2013 8:22:00am

re: #236 ProBosniaLiberal

I just want this horrible hell to stop.

I first heard of Yugoslavia when they held the Olympics there when I was a kid. That place (I’m not talking about the physical location) doesn’t exist anymore.

244 ProBosniaLiberal  Thu, May 2, 2013 8:22:15am

re: #239 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts

I wish there was something we could do.

I’m not supposing we could use diplomatic cables and the like to threaten to humiliate Putin?

245 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, May 2, 2013 8:22:37am

re: #237 dragonath

Man, I’m having flashbacks now. In high school, there was a YR sort in my class who swore that, in Iraq, there was no such thing as “collateral damage”.

Besides giving intellectual cover to war criminals, no one could convince the guy that maybe some people weren’t the fuck involved.

It’s the massive grey area of the “collective guilt” of a group (such as citizens of a country) for having a despotic leader; e.g. “they deserve what they get for not rising up and throwing him out”.

A lot of people everywhere are simply trying to get by - keep a job, keep their family fed, try to get their children educated. They are not out to impress/oppress a viewpoint or religion or politics on their neighbors. Pretty much live and let live. And they do know enough that the rocking the boat and revolution/civil war is going to make getting the basics and protecting the family all the more difficult. So you can get a very understandable mindset of accepting the despot and trying to keep a low profile since the uncertainty of trying to force the change could well be worse.

246 darthstar  Thu, May 2, 2013 8:22:48am
247 darthstar  Thu, May 2, 2013 8:25:17am
248 ProBosniaLiberal  Thu, May 2, 2013 8:25:30am

re: #245 Feline Fearless Leader

The Syrians are trying.

And this is the result. Which is why people so rarely do this in the first place.

249 FemNaziBitch  Thu, May 2, 2013 8:26:25am

how is it this morning?

Haven’t persecuted any Christians today, but the kid is still asleep.

250 lawhawk  Thu, May 2, 2013 8:26:50am

In more uplifting news, the crews at 1WTC are raising the spire of the WTC to the roof as I type. This is the last segment and the last real large and significant structural members left to go into the tower. It wont be attached to the remainder of the spire until a few weeks from now (the cranes atop the tower have to be positioned for the final lift).

Photos will be forthcoming.

251 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, May 2, 2013 8:27:32am

re: #249 FemNaziBitch

how is it this morning?

Haven’t persecuted any Christians today, but the kid is still asleep.

Just starting third conference call of the morning. And third cup of coffee.

Coincidence? We think not.

252 kirkspencer  Thu, May 2, 2013 8:27:50am

re: #236 ProBosniaLiberal

I just want this horrible hell to stop.

Then don’t suggest actions that’ll make it worse.

There’s this blind assumption that if we just smash the mad buggers everyone else will make up and get along. I invite you to look at the fun the Seleucids had with the region, or the Romans had after they took it away. Consider the Maccabees and the Sicarii.

Force can work for a while, but barring total genocide it’s not enough.

253 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Thu, May 2, 2013 8:27:53am

re: #244 ProBosniaLiberal

I wish there was something we could do.

I’m not supposing we could use diplomatic cables and the like to threaten to humiliate Putin?

Stop it. Stop this random fantasizing. It does no good. I know the world sucks but there’s a lot of problems that, in order to fix them, you have to fix a bunch of other problems first. To solve Syria in the way you suggest we’d have to solve the problems between the Turks and the Kurds and to do that we’d have to solve the political problems in Turkey and Iraq and to do that we’d have to solve the political problems here in the US.

Instead of coming up with these fantasies and just endorsing them like they’re in any way useful, follow them back, criticize them yourself, figure out what’s wrong with them, what you need to solve for them to work, and then go and actually help on that. There is zero way that you can help out Syria by fantasizing about it on a messageboard. But you can help our government become less isolationist and less exploitative in its foreign affairs, by working for better government here at home.

Stop obessing over the things you can’t solve and coming up with and then the day was saved by the Turks and the Kurds working in harmony solutions and find things you actually can work on to address and improve. Reality is tough and rough and it sucks compared to fantasy but it has the deep advantage of actually existing.

254 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, May 2, 2013 8:29:32am

re: #248 ProBosniaLiberal

The Syrians are trying.

And this is the result. Which is why people so rarely do this in the first place.

Yep. And notice that there are no guarantees that whatever shakes out is going to end up being an improvement on Assad.

And third parties coming in to force the issue will not help things that much. Perhaps cut the death toll in the short run, but an occupation will raise as many new issues as it settles.

255 lawhawk  Thu, May 2, 2013 8:30:13am
256 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Thu, May 2, 2013 8:33:02am

Speaking of fantasies, here’s one that could come true if we work, really, really, really, really, really, really hard for it:

Barack Obama, Supreme Court Justice.

That’s right, pullin’ a Taft.

257 Decatur Deb  Thu, May 2, 2013 8:35:15am

re: #256 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts

Speaking of fantasies, here’s one that could come true if we work, really, really, really, really, really, really hard for it:

Barack Obama, Supreme Court Justice.

That’s right, pullin’ a Taft.

“Brought to you by the National Popcorn Council.”

258 Bubblehead II  Thu, May 2, 2013 8:38:17am

re: #255 lawhawk

Fox (I know) has a live feed up and running

259 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 2, 2013 8:39:21am

re: #256 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts

Speaking of fantasies, here’s one that could come true if we work, really, really, really, really, really, really hard for it:

Barack Obama, Supreme Court Justice.

That’s right, pullin’ a Taft.

Michelle Obama, Supreme Court Justice.

260 wrenchwench  Thu, May 2, 2013 8:39:50am

re: #256 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts

Speaking of fantasies, here’s one that could come true if we work, really, really, really, really, really, really hard for it:

Barack Obama, Supreme Court Justice.

That’s right, pullin’ a Taft.

What a great idea! I was wondering what he could do for his next act.

261 Decatur Deb  Thu, May 2, 2013 8:42:17am

re: #260 wrenchwench

What a great idea! I was wondering what he could do for his next act.

Might be the youngest ex-prez.

262 Decatur Deb  Thu, May 2, 2013 8:43:43am

re: #261 Decatur Deb

Might be the youngest ex-prez.

Scratch that:

history1900s.about.com

263 darthstar  Thu, May 2, 2013 8:45:43am

re: #256 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts

Speaking of fantasies, here’s one that could come true if we work, really, really, really, really, really, really hard for it:

Barack Obama, Supreme Court Justice.

That’s right, pullin’ a Taft.

I’ve been kind of hoping Obama would appoint Hillary Clinton to the SCOTUS…Bill I’d like to see be President of the UN. ‘Splodey-heads all around.

264 Mattand  Thu, May 2, 2013 8:46:06am

re: #187 William Barnett-Lewis

And what, pray tell, do you think you’d replace it with? Look around and tell me what is working better than our system?

The perfect is the enemy of good enough. The current constitution, for all it’s warts, remains good enough and I’ll keep it rather than lose the good bits trying to pretend we can get something better.

littlegreenfootballs.com

littlegreenfootballs.com

What they said. And for the record, I’ve never called for replacing the Constitution.

265 lawhawk  Thu, May 2, 2013 8:47:45am

re: #258 Bubblehead II

It’s mesmerizing really. They’re now manhandling the piece into a temporary spot on the roof -

266 Bulworth  Thu, May 2, 2013 8:50:05am

re: #249 FemNaziBitch

You might think you haven’t persecuted any Christians today. But your very post makes Bryan Fischer cry.

267 Bubblehead II  Thu, May 2, 2013 8:51:18am

re: #265 lawhawk

The final lift is what’s going to be fun watching. Any idea when that’s supposed to occur?

268 lawhawk  Thu, May 2, 2013 9:03:28am

re: #267 Bubblehead II

I’m surmising that it will be a couple of weeks (and they might opt to do it around Memorial Day for symbolic reasons). They have to jack up the tower crane that runs closest to the main spire another 15-20 stories (150 feet or so) at least before they can do the final lift into place. Each jacking is a delicate maneuver and one that inspectors have to watch because of the heights and stresses (other cranes have collapsed due to problems with jacks or failed components) - and they definitely don’t want any problems at this stage or at this height. Then, they’ve got to wait for the right weather.

Hoisting the spire to the roof and then to the final spot makes sense since temperatures are different at ground level and 1400 feet above ground level. It takes some of the thermal variation out of the lift equation and will make it easier to slip the final piece into its corresponding slot on the spire.

269 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, May 2, 2013 9:03:35am

Erdogan: Assad using chemical weapons in Syria

Turkish Prime Minster Recep Tayyip Erdogan said Thursday that the regime of Syrian President Basher Assad has used chemical weapons in his fight against opposition forces, Turkish daily Hurriyet reported.

Erdogan’s comments came after US President Barack Obama on Tuesday said there was evidence that chemical weapons had been used during Syria’s two year conflict, but that it was not yet known how the chemical weapons were used, when they were used and who used them. Erdogan stated Thursday that he would discuss the issue with Obama during his visit to Washington later this month.

“We will discuss the use of chemical weapons during the meeting with President Obama. It is obvious that the Assad regime is using it,” Erdogan was quoted by Hurriyet as saying in an interview with Japanese media.

270 Bubblehead II  Thu, May 2, 2013 9:07:42am

re: #268 lawhawk

Thanks. Looks like they are having a problem getting it into the temp stand. Just lifted it back up.

271 Bubblehead II  Thu, May 2, 2013 9:08:33am

Shows over. Feed just went black.

272 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 2, 2013 9:14:22am

I commented against Geller at another blog and got the firehose of rage.

273 RadicalModerate  Thu, May 2, 2013 9:15:28am

Speaking of fanatics instigating violence, we have this tidbit from the Washington DC “May Day” protest.

Bags of urine thrown as White Student Union clashes with May Day protesters

For those of you who don’t remember, the “White Student Union” is the brainchild of neo-Nazi Matthew Heimbach, recent “hero” of the 2013 CPAC get-together.

littlegreenfootballs.com

Another of his recent videos:

Youtube Video
274 Bubblehead II  Thu, May 2, 2013 9:22:49am

re: #272 Vicious Babushka

I commented against Geller at another blog and got the firehose of rage.

“And racist Jew haters like yourself who don’t know the facts are lunatics of the first order & need to be thrown out of Jewish sites & put into cherrem. There is nothing worse than a Jewish Jew hater. You know nothing about Geller & even less about JDL, all you care about is protecting the “upstanding” barbarians called Arabs!!! You should be ashamed of yourself, I certainly am ashamed you & the likes of you!!!”

Sadly, we know way to much about Pam, Robert and the rest of their ilk. That is why we shun and ridicule them every chance we get and encourage others to do the same.

275 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, May 2, 2013 9:23:14am

re: #273 RadicalModerate

For those of you who don’t remember, the “White Student Union” is the brainchild of neo-Nazi Matthew Heimbach, recent “hero” of the 2013 CPAC get-together.

I live in the village of Obrheimbach on the banks of the creek tht flows through the village, the Heimbach. Sure glad that bastard emigrated, shame he wound up in America, though…

276 GunstarGreen  Thu, May 2, 2013 9:23:51am

re: #272 Vicious Babushka

I commented against Geller at another blog and got the firehose of rage.

“Nothing worse than a Jewish Jew-hater”?

My fucking brain is collapsing in on itself.

277 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 2, 2013 9:26:44am

re: #276 GunstarGreen

“Nothing worse than a Jewish Jew-hater”?

My fucking brain is collapsing in on itself.

Pamela’s method of dealing with criticism:

Criticism from a MUSLIM:

IT’S TAQQIYA!!11!!


Criticism from a non-Jew:

IT’S A GESTAPO SS NAZI!!11!!


Criticism from another Jew:

IT’S A SELF HATING JEWICIDAL DHIMMI KAPO!!11!!!!

And then take another hit from the vodka bottle.

278 GunstarGreen  Thu, May 2, 2013 9:29:56am

re: #277 Vicious Babushka

“Self-hating Jew” strikes me as a remarkably anti-semitic phrase, but I’m not really qualified to make that judgement as I’m not Jewish nor do I know any practicing Jews. Is it commonly used by Jewish people, or more just people that purport to be allies?

279 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, May 2, 2013 9:33:36am

re: #273 RadicalModerate

Here’s another video from DC. Why are they protesting the Gap?

Youtube Video
280 Bulworth  Thu, May 2, 2013 9:33:40am

re: #272 Vicious Babushka

Firehose of RAGE!!

281 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 2, 2013 9:35:21am

re: #278 GunstarGreen

“Self-hating Jew” strikes me as a remarkably anti-semitic phrase, but I’m not really qualified to make that judgement as I’m not Jewish nor do I know any practicing Jews. Is it commonly used by Jewish people, or more just people that purport to be allies?

I don’t think there is really such a thing as a “Self-hating Jew.” There are some Jews who are very anti-Israel, anti-Zionist, anti-Judaism but I wouldn’t call them “Self-hating” because they don’t hate themselves, they hate those other Jews that they don’t like. These are the type of Jews who are commonly referred to as “Self-hating” but they don’t hate themselves at all.

Pamela is so full of rage and hate that I don’t think it is possible to live like that without some of it seeping deep inside. So she may very well be a “Self-hating Jew” if she hates herself even a fraction as much as she hates everyone else.

282 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 2, 2013 9:36:47am

re: #279 NJDhockeyfan

Here’s another video from DC. Why are they protesting the Gap?

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Interesting to see a mostly white mob with expensive iphones attacking a mostly black police force. Seattle May Day was ugly this year too. So it goes.

283 Romantic Heretic  Thu, May 2, 2013 9:39:26am

re: #157 Bulworth

Sorry, no snow allowed in May. April, maybe, just a little. But May, no.

Twice in my life I’ve lived in places where it snowed in June. Specifically Northern Quebec and Northern B.C.

Never doing that again.

284 Gus  Thu, May 2, 2013 9:42:28am

re: #272 Vicious Babushka

I commented against Geller at another blog and got the firehose of rage.

I’m still laughing at the first response. Got me talking to the robin (a bird) out front.

285 Gus  Thu, May 2, 2013 9:43:30am

I_Am_Me Says:
Reply to #2

And racist Jew haters like yourself who don’t know the facts are lunatics of the first order & need to be thrown out of Jewish sites & put into cherrem. There is nothing worse than a Jewish Jew hater. You know nothing about Geller & even less about JDL, all you care about is protecting the “upstanding” barbarians called Arabs!!! You should be ashamed of yourself, I certainly am ashamed you & the likes of you!!!

286 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Thu, May 2, 2013 9:44:50am

re: #284 Gus

I’m still laughing at the first response. Got me talking to the robin (a bird) out front.

What did it say?
You should maybe tweet it.

287 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 2, 2013 9:45:11am

re: #284 Gus

I’m still laughing at the first response. Got me talking to the robin (a bird) out front.

There is a whole bunch of Crazy at that site. It’s like Breitbart and Free Republic for Teh Juice.

288 Gus  Thu, May 2, 2013 9:45:29am

re: #286 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

What did it say?
You should maybe tweet it.

“I certainly am ashamed you & the likes of you!!!” Derp.

289 Gus  Thu, May 2, 2013 9:46:35am

re: #287 Vicious Babushka

There is a whole bunch of Crazy at that site. It’s like Breitbart and Free Republic for Teh Juice.

It’s all about the Juice RACE! //

290 Gus  Thu, May 2, 2013 9:49:07am

re: #286 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

What did it say?
You should maybe tweet it.

Tweet? What’s that? //

291 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, May 2, 2013 9:51:34am

re: #282 Killgore Trout

Interesting to see a mostly white mob with expensive iphones attacking a mostly black police force. Seattle May Day was ugly this year too. So it goes.

Neo-Nazis. I hate Neo-Nazis.

292 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 2, 2013 9:56:31am

re: #291 NJDhockeyfan

Neo-Nazis. I hate Neo-Nazis.

Everybody does.

293 Gus  Thu, May 2, 2013 10:00:55am

re: #292 Killgore Trout

Everybody does.

Nazis: Wagner. Neo-Nazis: Speed Metal. //

294 team_fukit  Thu, May 2, 2013 10:05:13am

Statement from Department of Defense on Military Proselytization

Link

The U.S. Department of Defense has never and will never single out a particular religious group for persecution or prosecution. The Department makes reasonable accommodations for all religions and celebrates the religious diversity of our service members.

Service members can share their faith (evangelize), but must not force unwanted, intrusive attempts to convert others of any faith or no faith to one’s beliefs (proselytization).

If a service member harasses another member on the basis of race, color, sex, religion, national origin, age, or disability, then the commander takes action based on the gravity of the occurrence. Likewise, when religious harassment complaints are reported, commanders take action based on the gravity of the occurrence on a case by case basis.

295 Kragar  Thu, May 2, 2013 10:09:33am

New Hampshire Legislator Claims Boston Bombing Was An Inside Job Because Victim Looked Calm

Citing Alex Jones and his conspiracy theory site Infowars, Tremblay notes that while she once believed 9/11 was a real attack by terrorists, 9/11 “truthers” have opened her eyes. This attack too, she argues, was a “Black Ops” attack staged — apparently unconvincingly — by the federal government:

TREMBLY: And the more I looked at this, in my heart, something told me there’s something wrong here. You just have to look at that backpack and you can see. If there’s an explosion, the backpack is blown to smithereens. There’s nothing left. What was it doing just laying there? Then, my first gut reaction seeing the horror of that person that had their legs blown off… you know, with the bone sticking out? And he was not in shock. I looked and I thought there’s something… I don’t know what’s wrong, but it seems surreal to me. I talked to my sister, who’s not into politics at all, and she said, “Yea, I saw the same thing.” He was not in shock. He was not in pain. If I had had those type of injuries, I’d be screaming in agony.

296 Bulworth  Thu, May 2, 2013 10:10:18am

re: #273 RadicalModerate

“We were here to protest communism and to stand up for the blue collar working class. And then I got urine thrown on me,” White Student Union President Matthew Heimbach told CNN. “So it shows really how tolerant these people are.”

Translation: The bag of urine I threw at the Communists hit one of my fellow True Americans by mistake.

/

297 Bulworth  Thu, May 2, 2013 10:11:37am

re: #295 Kragar

Confirmed. FACT. //

298 kirkspencer  Thu, May 2, 2013 10:12:15am

re: #295 Kragar

New Hampshire Legislator Claims Boston Bombing Was An Inside Job Because Victim Looked Calm

Which means she’s been present at zero disasters. Yes, some people scream in pain. Others are complacent. A few heroically try to help others despite their own injuries.

She has, with this statement, laid her ignorance out for full view by everyone who has responded to a mass casualty incident.

299 wrenchwench  Thu, May 2, 2013 10:12:27am

re: #295 Kragar

New Hampshire Legislator Claims Boston Bombing Was An Inside Job Because Victim Looked Calm

Somebody does not know what shock looks like.

300 Mattand  Thu, May 2, 2013 10:12:48am

re: #296 Bulworth


Can someone explain to me how nearly 70 years after the Iron Curtain was erected, and 20 years after the Berlin Wall came down, that AMERICANS ARE STILL SEEING COMMUNISTS UNDER THEIR FUCKING BEDS?

Sorry, in a pissy mood today.

301 Bulworth  Thu, May 2, 2013 10:12:51am
“We were here to protest communism and to stand up for the blue collar working class. And then I got urine thrown on me,” White Student Union President Matthew Heimbach told CNN. “So it shows really how tolerant these people are.”

Translation: I was yelling at a couple of illegals and some guy with a soda bumped into me.

302 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 2, 2013 10:13:54am

re: #300 Mattand

Can someone explain to me how nearly 70 years after the Iron Curtain was erected, and 20 years after the Berlin Wall came down, that AMERICANS ARE STILL SEEING COMMUNISTS UNDER THEIR FUCKING BEDS?

Sorry, in a pissy mood today.

Not only that, but Obama totally SUCKS at Communism!

303 Bulworth  Thu, May 2, 2013 10:14:17am

re: #300 Mattand

It’s the North-Korean-Cuban-Venezuelan Axis of Evilness./

304 GunstarGreen  Thu, May 2, 2013 10:14:19am

re: #295 Kragar

He was not in shock. He was not in pain. If I had had those type of injuries, I’d be screaming in agony.

No you wouldn’t, because contrary to what Hollywood would have you believe (people holding the stumps of missing limbs and wailing dramatically), sudden massive trauma tends to overwhelm the nervous system to the point that it shuts down and no longer transmits the sensation of pain. And that occurs WAY before you get to the point of limb amputation.

Just another idiot believing conspiracy theories because they’re too stupid to know how things really work.

305 Mattand  Thu, May 2, 2013 10:14:30am

re: #300 Mattand

Can someone explain to me how nearly 70 years after the Iron Curtain was erected, and 20 years after the Berlin Wall came down, that AMERICANS ARE STILL SEEING COMMUNISTS UNDER THEIR FUCKING BEDS?

Sorry, in a pissy mood today.

Swear to God, it’s like an episode of the Simpsons where Mr. Burns is complaining about Bolsheviks and anarchists.

306 Stanghazi  Thu, May 2, 2013 10:15:25am

re: #300 Mattand

Can someone explain to me how nearly 70 years after the Iron Curtain was erected, and 20 years after the Berlin Wall came down, that AMERICANS ARE STILL SEEING COMMUNISTS UNDER THEIR FUCKING BEDS?

Sorry, in a pissy mood today.

Well perpetual hatred/fear of Cuba doesn’t help.

307 wrenchwench  Thu, May 2, 2013 10:16:06am

re: #294 team_fukit

Statement from Department of Defense on Military Proselytization

Link

You could make the link go to your Page. Nothing wrong with a little self promotion. Also, you can put a link to your Pages in your nic.

308 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, May 2, 2013 10:17:08am
309 Kragar  Thu, May 2, 2013 10:17:33am

Accidental Toddler Shooting Rocks Rural Kentucky, Where Rifles For Kindergarteners Are Commonplace

As Stephanie Sparks cleaned the kitchen, her 5-year-old son, Kristian, began playing with a rifle he was given last year. She stepped out onto the front porch, poured grease out of a frying pan for the dogs and “heard the gun go off,” a Kentucky coroner said.

Authorities said the boy had fatally shot his 2-year-old sister, Caroline, in the chest.

In rural southern Kentucky, far removed from the national debate over gun control, where some children get their first guns even before they start first grade, the accident stunned the community.

Kristian’s rifle was kept in a corner of the mobile home, and the family didn’t realize a bullet had been left in it, Cumberland County Coroner Gary White said.

“Down in Kentucky where we’re from, you know, guns are passed down from generation to generation,” White said. “You start at a young age with guns for hunting and everything.”

What is more unusual than a child having a gun, he said, is “that a kid would get shot with it.”

In this case, the rifle was made by a company that sells guns specifically for children — “My first rifle” is the slogan — in colors ranging from plain brown to hot pink to royal blue to multi-color swirls.

310 Bubblehead II  Thu, May 2, 2013 10:17:56am

TREMBLY: And the more I looked at this, in my heart, something told me there’s something wrong here. You just have to look at that backpack and you can see. If there’s an explosion, the backpack is blown to smithereens. There’s nothing left. What was it doing just laying there?

Also showing off her ignorance about explosives. Sorry dingbat, but not everything evaporates during an explosion.

311 Bulworth  Thu, May 2, 2013 10:18:13am
“We were here to protest communism and to stand up for the blue collar working class. And then I got urine thrown on me,” White Student Union President Matthew Heimbach told CNN. “So it shows really how tolerant these people are.”

Translation: We were here to oppose unions, the minimum wage, the eight-hour workday, child labor laws, and any regulation of business and industry.

312 Stanghazi  Thu, May 2, 2013 10:20:10am

re: #303 Bulworth

It’s the North-Korean-Cuban-Venezuelan Axis of Evilness./

OOOGA BOOGA

313 Bulworth  Thu, May 2, 2013 10:20:20am

re: #310 Bubblehead II

“In my heart”

Wait, I think I see the problem….

314 GunstarGreen  Thu, May 2, 2013 10:20:33am

re: #309 Kragar

Accidental Toddler Shooting Rocks Rural Kentucky, Where Rifles For Kindergarteners Are Commonplace

Toddlers playing with lethal weapons? WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG?!

Fucking Kentucky, man.

315 Mattand  Thu, May 2, 2013 10:20:47am

re: #311 Bulworth

Translation: We were here to oppose unions, the minimum wage, the eight-hour workday, child labor laws, and any regulation of business and industry.

And the minorities these things would benefit.

316 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, May 2, 2013 10:23:15am

re: #309 Kragar

Accidental Toddler Shooting Rocks Rural Kentucky, Where Rifles For Kindergarteners Are Commonplace

My daughter’s first full, grammatical sentence as a toddler was “I want a gun.”

We were watching the women’s winter biathalon at the time. I just told her she would have to learn to ski first.

317 Kragar  Thu, May 2, 2013 10:26:11am

America’s Prison Guards Are The ‘Ugly Stepchildren’ Of The Criminal Justice System

A shocking indictment of 13 Baltimore prison guards last week is an extreme example of what happens when people on the “lowest rung” of the criminal justice career ladder succumb to corruption.

The Baltimore case is the most disturbing case of prison guard corruption in recent memory. Guards allegedly snuck cellphones and other contraband to Black Guerrilla Family (BGF) prison gangsters and gave them free rein over their own prison. BGF leader Tavon White also managed to impregnate four guards, two of whom got tattoos with his name.

318 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, May 2, 2013 10:27:02am

re: #300 Mattand

Can someone explain to me how nearly 70 years after the Iron Curtain was erected, and 20 years after the Berlin Wall came down, that AMERICANS ARE STILL SEEING COMMUNISTS UNDER THEIR FUCKING BEDS?

Sorry, in a pissy mood today.

Don’t know, ask KT. He sees OWS Commies under his bed all the time.

319 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, May 2, 2013 10:27:08am

re: #282 Killgore Trout

Interesting to see a mostly white mob with expensive iphones attacking a mostly black police force. Seattle May Day was ugly this year too. So it goes.

If they were throwing bags of urine perhaps they were part of the Occupy: Port-a-potty Movement.
/

320 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 2, 2013 10:27:46am

re: #319 Feline Fearless Leader

If they were throwing bags of urine perhaps they were part of the Occupy: Port-a-potty Movement.
/

Or maybe they just came back from a Carnival Cruise.

321 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 2, 2013 10:27:48am

The new right wing take on me (from the many Twitter posts from haters last night): I’m now a supporter of jihad, and want sharia law to take over.

This post really got them worked up.

322 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, May 2, 2013 10:28:08am

re: #317 Kragar

America’s Prison Guards Are The ‘Ugly Stepchildren’ Of The Criminal Justice System

Other prisons are taking the cheapest option, “priviatizing” them in the sense of letting the prison gangs run them.

From a purely short-term fiscal point of view, it makes sense…

323 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 2, 2013 10:28:56am

re: #321 Charles Johnson

The new right wing take on me (from the many Twitter posts from haters last night): I’m now a supporter of jihad, and want sharia law to take over.

This post really got them worked up.

What a coincidence! I caught the firehose of rage this morning after commenting on Ms. Geller.

324 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, May 2, 2013 10:28:59am

re: #300 Mattand

Can someone explain to me how nearly 70 years after the Iron Curtain was erected, and 20 years after the Berlin Wall came down, that AMERICANS ARE STILL SEEING COMMUNISTS UNDER THEIR FUCKING BEDS?

Sorry, in a pissy mood today.

Because the union thug socialists install them there in the factory before the beds are sold. Of course.
:p

325 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, May 2, 2013 10:29:20am

re: #321 Charles Johnson

The new right wing take on me (from the many Twitter posts from haters last night): I’m now a supporter of jihad, and want sharia law to take over.

This post really got them worked up.

We face a clear choice between forcing Christianity on America or some other religion, namely Islam, will come and take its place.

/

326 Mattand  Thu, May 2, 2013 10:29:44am

re: #321 Charles Johnson

The new right wing take on me (from the many Twitter posts from haters last night): I’m now a supporter of jihad, and want sharia law to take over.

This post really got them worked up.

Well, it would explain all of the “Death to America!” tags you’ve got buried in the source code.

327 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 2, 2013 10:30:14am

re: #326 Mattand

Well, it would explain all of the “Death to America!” tags you’ve got buried in the source code.

And the Butterball Turkey pop-up ads!

328 erik_t  Thu, May 2, 2013 10:34:23am

Are roasted trolls halal?

329 sagehen  Thu, May 2, 2013 10:36:15am

Depends how many toes they’ve got.

330 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 2, 2013 10:36:18am

STAY CLASSY WINGNUTS

331 Bulworth  Thu, May 2, 2013 10:40:19am

re: #330 Vicious Babushka

And start killing babiez!!

/

332 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 2, 2013 10:43:19am

This wingnut Tweets anti-abortion crap all day long, while sporting a Twitter nickname in honor of an author who was totally pro-choice. DERP. FAIL.

333 Bulworth  Thu, May 2, 2013 10:50:06am

re: #332 Vicious Babushka

Is this more of that lessgovernment we keep hearing about?

/

334 klys  Thu, May 2, 2013 10:55:57am

re: #332 Vicious Babushka

It must be so easy to not have to worry about things like facts or reality when putting together an argument.

335 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, May 2, 2013 10:57:08am
336 Lidane  Thu, May 2, 2013 10:57:18am

Because before El Rushbo came along, feminism was received without any controversy at all:

337 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 2, 2013 10:58:56am

re: #334 klys

It must be so easy to not have to worry about things like facts or reality when putting together an argument.

This is why wingnuts are so much better at Teh Twitterz than liberals are. It’s very easy to put a false dichotomy or fake quote talking point into 140 characters, very difficult to present a cogent rebuttal. Please refer to post #55 for an example of complete bullshit going viral.

338 Lidane  Thu, May 2, 2013 10:59:19am
339 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, May 2, 2013 11:02:52am

re: #304 GunstarGreen

No you wouldn’t, because contrary to what Hollywood would have you believe (people holding the stumps of missing limbs and wailing dramatically), sudden massive trauma tends to overwhelm the nervous system to the point that it shuts down and no longer transmits the sensation of pain. And that occurs WAY before you get to the point of limb amputation.

Just another idiot believing conspiracy theories because they’re too stupid to know how things really work.

Also, traumatic amputations often don’t pump out pulsating gushes of blood like in the movies. Sometimes, there is actually surprisingly little blood after the initial amputation.
The brain also has an amazing ability to “shut out” the physical/pain aspects in extreme trauma. The body starts “moving resources”, so to speak, in an attempt to compensate.
In my experience (as an EMT many years ago), people with massive (and potentially life-threatening) injuries generally do not feel as much pain as those with less severe injuries.

340 Lidane  Thu, May 2, 2013 11:05:35am
341 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, May 2, 2013 11:08:20am

re: #332 Vicious Babushka

This wingnut Tweets anti-abortion crap all day long, while sporting a Twitter nickname in honor of an author who was totally pro-choice. DERP. FAIL.

Babies die in the womb every day without any outside intervention.
Jane and her friends just like pulling numbers out their asses.

342 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 2, 2013 11:09:44am

re: #341 Backwoods_Sleuth

Babies die in the womb every day without any outside intervention.
Jane and her friends just like pulling numbers out their asses.

I Tweeted Jane a link about Ayn Rand’s view on abortion, its response was “I know but she was wrong about that one thing.”

343 stabby  Thu, May 2, 2013 11:09:57am
The separation of church and state is one of the most vital principles of American democracy, and the religious right is constantly trying to subvert it. Their outrage over this fake story is a good sign — it means they’re losing. As they should.

This, IMO is the root of that 29% of Americans 44% of Republicans “think armed rebellion is necessary”.

It’s an unfinished sentence that should read “44% of Republicans think armed rebellion is necessary so that we can get rid of the 1st Amendment”

That may be too general it should read, “44% of Republicans think armed rebellion is necessary so that we can get rid of the 1st and 13th* Amendments”

*that’s the one that ended slavery.

344 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, May 2, 2013 11:10:42am

re: #342 Vicious Babushka

I Tweeted Jane a link about Ayn Rand’s view on abortion, its response was “I know but she was wrong about that one thing.”

The standard “I’ve already made up my mind, don’t confuse me with facts” line of argument…

345 Bulworth  Thu, May 2, 2013 11:11:49am

re: #342 Vicious Babushka

But I guess Rand was “right” about all the other stuff about how selfishness is great. I somehow doubt Ms. Jane Tweeter would make a connection between the two.

346 Targetpractice  Thu, May 2, 2013 11:12:01am

re: #338 Lidane

Why pretend, it’s just the next logical step of their long-term economic policies. You hear it from Jindal, from Walker, from Brownback, the argument that the best method of spurring private spending and thus job growth is by cutting people’s taxes more and more. They’re just doing at the state level what Republicans at the national level have wanted to do for years: Abolish the income tax and allow the subsequent reduction in revenue to force massive budgetary cuts.

347 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, May 2, 2013 11:13:14am

re: #340 Lidane

This guy shot 5 bullets in to the White House?

…In the document, prosecutors said Ortega-Hernandez “expressed anger towards the government regarding the continued criminalization of marijuana,” which they said he acknowledged smoking and claimed makes people more intelligent.

Heh.

348 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 2, 2013 11:13:22am

re: #345 Bulworth

But I guess Rand was “right” about all the other stuff about how selfishness is great. I somehow doubt Ms. Jane Tweeter would make a connection between the two.

These folks are like all Bible thumping when it comes to other people’s sex lives but they totally ignore what the Bible says about the poor and helpless.

349 Targetpractice  Thu, May 2, 2013 11:15:44am

re: #343 stabby

This, IMO is the root of that 29% of Americans 44% of Republicans “think armed rebellion is necessary”.

It’s an unfinished sentence that should read “44% of Republicans think armed rebellion is necessary so that we can get rid of the 1st Amendment”

That may be too general it should read, “44% of Republicans think armed rebellion is necessary so that we can get rid of the 1st and 13th* Amendments”

*that’s the one that ended slavery.

It’s simpler than that. 44% of self-admitted Republicans believe an armed rebellion is the only way to return themselves to power. They read the writing on the wall and understand that the only options are either to accept that it’s no longer 1950 and join the rest of us in the 21st century, or overturn the elected government and install themselves instead.

350 GunstarGreen  Thu, May 2, 2013 11:18:02am

re: #348 Vicious Babushka

These folks are like all Bible thumping when it comes to other people’s sex lives but they totally ignore what the Bible says about the poor and helpless.

The Bible is not the source of their beliefs, it’s their justification for holding them.

Thus it has always been.

351 Lidane  Thu, May 2, 2013 11:18:51am

re: #347 NJDhockeyfan

This guy shot 5 bullets in to the White House?

Heh.

Seriously. He needs to mellow out some. Maybe smoke some weed and chill.

Hahahaha.

352 Bulworth  Thu, May 2, 2013 11:19:29am

re: #341 Backwoods_Sleuth

20 million!! 60 million!! 800 billionmillion!!!!

353 GunstarGreen  Thu, May 2, 2013 11:19:50am

re: #335 NJDhockeyfan

Yes! Yes! Be irrationally afraid of common household items!

Remember folks, we’re never lettin’ those dern brown turrerists win!

354 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, May 2, 2013 11:21:20am

re: #351 Lidane

Seriously. He needs to mellow out some. Maybe smoke some weed and chill.

Hahahaha.

I wonder how many bong hits it took him to increase his intelligence so far that it enabled him to shoot at the White House?

355 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, May 2, 2013 11:24:38am

re: #345 Bulworth

But I guess Rand was “right” about all the other stuff about how selfishness is great. I somehow doubt Ms. Jane Tweeter would make a connection between the two.

Do I now get to pick and choose what one thing Jesus was wrong about?

356 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, May 2, 2013 11:28:50am

re: #351 Lidane

Seriously. He needs to mellow out some. Maybe smoke some weed and chill.

Hahahaha.

obviously, he needed more Cheetos…

357 gwangung  Thu, May 2, 2013 12:43:49pm

re: #342 Vicious Babushka

I Tweeted Jane a link about Ayn Rand’s view on abortion, its response was “I know but she was wrong about that one thing.”

How? Her abortion views are quite consistent on the rest of her views.


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