Mitt Romney’s Advice for Recent Female Grads: ‘Have a Quiver Full of Kids’

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This week, Mitt Romney delivered an interesting commencement speech to the (very Mormon populated) Southern Virginia University’s graduating class. Sharing his secrets for “abundant living,” Romney urged the new grads to go out, get married, and procreate like crazy.

‘Get married,’ he said, and “Have a quiver full of kids if you can.”

Also, hurry. Staying single until your thirties could be a big mistake. A quiver full of kids aren’t born over night.

“Some people could marry but choose to take more time, they say, for themselves. Others plan to wait until they’re well into their 30s or 40s until they think about getting married,” he said, “They’re going to miss so much of living, I’m afraid.”

Girls, forget about establishing a career before you get married or have children. Why spend your body’s prime child-bearing years working, when you could be breast-feeding on a much smaller salary?

As Romney reminds the class of Southern Virginia University, wealth is not guaranteed. Not everybod knows how to cut corners, exploit workers, and watch the profits rise. Even fewer are born into the power necessary to accumulate wealth in America. Anybody biologically capable, however, can make a quiver full of babies.

“I don’t think God cares whether you get rich,” he warned the crowd. “I don’t think he hopes that your business will make a huge profit. I know a lot of religious people who think God will intervene to make their investments grow. Or he’ll get them a promotion. To make their business a success. But life on this earth is about learning to live in a place where God does not make everything work out for good people.”

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1 Vicious Babushka  Fri, May 3, 2013 9:30:08am
Romney urged the new grads to go out, get married, and procreate like crazy.

‘Get married,’ he said, and “Have a quiver full of kids if you can.”

But don’t be one of those 47% moochers and expect to get Food Stamps to buy food for your 13 kids!

2 HappyWarrior  Fri, May 3, 2013 9:35:52am

Can I just thank my fellow countrymen and women for not electing this dinosaur president? Nothing wrong with having a big family IMO but imploring people to rush into marriage and have tons of kids is all kinds of fucked up.

3 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 3, 2013 9:37:13am

This is not just a random phrase: What Is Quiverfull?

Q: What is “Quiverfull?”

“Quiverfull” is a convenient, though I believe, somewhat unfortunate term which we’re using at No Longer Quivering to describe a family lifestyle which is growing in popularity among evangelical Christians ~ particularly those who home educate their children.

Quiverfull ~ is the idea that truly godly families will “trust the Lord” with their family planning. Children are viewed as unmitigated blessings (“As arrows in the hand of the mighty man, so are the children of ones youth, happy is the man who hath his quiver full of them”) and as such, the couple is willing to have as many children as the Lord chooses to bless them with. Artificial or chemical birth control such as the Pill or IUDs are equated with abortion ~ the sin of murdering your own offspring. “Natural” birth control such as Natural Family Planning is not actually “natural” because a couple must abstain at the very time of the month when the woman is naturally more desirous of physical intimacy. All methods of “conception control” is considered a lack of trust in God to provide for the “children of the righteous.”

4 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 3, 2013 9:38:18am

Children are viewed as “weapons” or arrows in the quiver of the religious fanatics who follow this patriarchal bullshit.

5 FemNaziBitch  Fri, May 3, 2013 9:40:30am

re: #3 Charles Johnson
“Natural” birth control such as Natural Family Planning is not actually “natural” because a couple must abstain at the very time of the month when the woman is naturally more desirous of physical intimacy”

WTF? Who dreamed up this non-scientific idea?

I think I’m going to vomit.

6 Skip Intro  Fri, May 3, 2013 9:41:21am

I didn’t see the other key to successful Mittdom: be born into a wealthy family.

7 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 3, 2013 9:42:26am

Had to promote this one.

8 HappyWarrior  Fri, May 3, 2013 9:43:12am

re: #6 Skip Intro

I didn’t see the other key to successful Mittdom: be born into a wealthy family.

This. Really for a guy who talks a lot about figurative bootstraps and stuff, this is a man who was born in the dugout and thinks he hit the home run.

9 calochortus  Fri, May 3, 2013 9:45:37am

I can’t help but notice that while “happy is the man who hath his quiver full of them”, no mention is made of whether mom is equally pleased with that quiver-full.

10 Vicious Babushka  Fri, May 3, 2013 9:45:48am

Zedushka and I made the decision to have a large family in the early ‘70’s, because we were still concerned about the population losses suffered during the Holocaust.

Our children don’t share that urgency.

Oh, and to consider your children as bullets, that’s so fucked up I can’t even… I just don’t…

11 Stanghazi  Fri, May 3, 2013 9:46:18am

re: #9 calochortus

I can’t help but notice that while “happy is the man who hath his quiver full of them”, no mention is made of whether mom is equally pleased with that quiver-full.

She’s too busy and can barely walk.

12 Kragar  Fri, May 3, 2013 9:46:18am

A binder full of quivers?

13 FemNaziBitch  Fri, May 3, 2013 9:46:51am

re: #7 Charles Johnson

Had to promote this one.

Sad, we have to spend so much of our personal resources exposing this insanity.

Thanks, Charles, for always standing strong for Human Rights.

14 Skip Intro  Fri, May 3, 2013 9:49:09am

So on the one hand, we have the evangelicals cheering on climate change because it will hasten the destruction of life on earth. On the other, we have born assholes like Willard calling on women to produce as many offspring as they can before they drop because that pleases the Magic Man in the Sky. As a bonus, it will also hasten the destruction of human life on earth.

How the hell did this country get here, and is there anything that can reverse the insanity that’s taken hold of half the country?

15 Kragar  Fri, May 3, 2013 9:50:11am

Beck Demonstrates The NRA’s Commitment To Safety

In making the point, Beck pointed to a table full of historical weapons he had gotten from the NRA museum that he is going to be using in his speech tomorrow and recounted how, all day long, NRA staff had been reminding him how to safely pick up and hold a firearm, all of which Beck said he already knows because he took a NRA safety course.

In fact, the NRA is so concerned about safety that staffers even taped a large “T” on the wall of the auditorium to mark the spot at which all of the guns lying on the table were pointed, signaling that nobody should ever be standing in that area.

But when Beck went to point it out, he first had to ask one of his staff members to move … because she was standing right in front of it:

16 HappyWarrior  Fri, May 3, 2013 9:50:27am

My Dad and all four my grandparents came from big families but you know what Mitt, that was the choice of my dad’s parents and my great grandparents. A big family can be a wonderful thing but men and women should choose to have as big or small families as they like. If that means having 6 kids like my grandparents did or having zero like my aunt and uncle did, that’s their choice. That’s freedom. Mitt’s basically telling female graduates that they shouldn’t find the right person but marry quickly and have tons of kids. That’s a shitty message.

17 Vicious Babushka  Fri, May 3, 2013 9:51:33am

Donald is totally PISSED at Jon Stewart for calling him “Fuckface Von Clownstick”


18 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, May 3, 2013 9:52:27am

re: #5 FemNaziBitch

“Natural” birth control such as Natural Family Planning is not actually “natural” because a couple must abstain at the very time of the month when the woman is naturally more desirous of physical intimacy

WTF? Who dreamed up this non-scientific idea?

I think I’m going to vomit.

Not non-scientific exactly. Basically its making that point that women desire sex more when they are ovulating. If you are trying to NOT get pregnant, than it’s a good idea to not have sex while she is ovulating. The quiverfull movement bans such behavior because its an action the could potentially prevent a pregnancy from occurring.

I don’t agree with the quiverfull movement, FYI.

19 Vicious Babushka  Fri, May 3, 2013 9:53:22am

re: #5 FemNaziBitch

“Natural” birth control such as Natural Family Planning is not actually “natural” because a couple must abstain at the very time of the month when the woman is naturally more desirous of physical intimacy

WTF? Who dreamed up this non-scientific idea?

Todd Akin.

20 DisturbedEma  Fri, May 3, 2013 9:53:41am

re: #11 Stanley Sea

But she can wear shoes in the kitchen now, or at the very least slippers…Progress!

21 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, May 3, 2013 9:53:49am

re: #17 Vicious Babushka

I prefer Clownface von fuckstick myself.

22 Bulworth  Fri, May 3, 2013 9:55:18am
“Some people could marry but choose to take more time, they say, for themselves. Others plan to wait until they’re well into their 30s or 40s until they think about getting married,” he said, “They’re going to miss so much of living, I’m afraid.”

JERRY: Elaine, what percentage of people would you say are good looking?
ELAINE: Twenty-five percent.
JERRY: Twenty-five percent, you say? No way! It’s like 4 to 6 percent. It’s a twenty to one shot.
ELAINE: You’re way off.
JERRY: Way off? Have you been to the motor vehicle bureau? It’s like a leper colony down there.
ELAINE: So what you are saying is that 90 to 95 percent of the population is undateable?
JERRY: UNDATEABLE!
ELAINE: Then how are all these people getting together?
JERRY: Alcohol.

23 HappyWarrior  Fri, May 3, 2013 9:55:48am

re: #21 Eclectic Cyborg

I prefer Clownface von fuckstick myself.

His assholeness, the Baron von Rathair von Fuckwad. And where’s he got the stones to imply that Stewart is ashamed of his Jewish heritage. Stewart’s not the first actor to have a stage name. Unless Donald’s seriously implying that Mel Brooks is ashamed of his Jewish heritage too which would get a good laugh if you ever told Mel that he was.

24 DisturbedEma  Fri, May 3, 2013 9:57:01am

re: #17 Vicious Babushka

I still laugh when I think about Pizzagate…Trump taking Palin for “real New York pizza” at the Familglia Pizza chain…Jon OWNED him for that:)

25 Kragar  Fri, May 3, 2013 9:57:31am

re: #21 Eclectic Cyborg

I prefer Clownface von fuckstick myself.

Speaking of which…

Former Bush official: Syria chemical weapons could be ‘Israeli false flag operation’

Col. Lawrence Wilkerson, the former chief of staff to Secretary of State Colin Powell under President George W. Bush, on Thursday warned that the chemical weapons that were reportedly used in Syria could be a “Israeli false flag operation” because Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was running an “inept regime.”

During an interview with Current TV’s Cenk Uygur, Wilkerson explained that he had been told by his sources in the intelligence community that evidence that Syria had used chemical weapons was “really flaky” and that President Barack Obama should think twice before intervening.

“This could have been an Israeli false flag operation,” he said. “You’ve got basically a geo-strategically, geo-political — if you will — inept regime in Tel Aviv right now.”

26 Vicious Babushka  Fri, May 3, 2013 9:57:39am

re: #23 HappyWarrior

His assholeness, the Baron von Rathair von Fuckwad. And where’s he got the stones to imply that Stewart is ashamed of his Jewish heritage. Stewart’s not the first actor to have a stage name. Unless Donald’s seriously implying that Mel Brooks is ashamed of his Jewish heritage too which would get a good laugh if you ever told Mel that he was.

Mel Brooks real name is Foxtrots With Foxes

27 calochortus  Fri, May 3, 2013 9:57:57am

Honestly, I think Quiverfull isn’t going to take America by storm, nor is Romney going to change any minds by suggesting young people go ahead and have a bunch of kids. If they wanted to anyway, they will be happy to have “permission”, but people all over the world limit the size of their families when they are given the opportunity. There may be cultural disapproval that delays a reduction in family size, but it happens over time.

28 stabby  Fri, May 3, 2013 9:58:58am

I am so grateful we didn’t elect this TOTAL ASSHOLE. Never forget that he was totally cool with the plan to lower taxes so we couldn’t afford Medicare and Social Security.

29 FemNaziBitch  Fri, May 3, 2013 9:59:16am

re: #18 Eclectic Cyborg

Not non-scientific exactly. Basically its making that point that women desire sex more when they are ovulating. If you are trying to NOT get pregnant, than it’s a good idea to not have sex while she is ovulating. The quiverfull movement bans such behavior because its an action the could potentially prevent a pregnancy from occurring.

I don’t agree with the quiverfull movement, FYI.

I know, the whole statement is insane, IMHO. It seems female sexuality is only valid when she is ovulating to Willard. As a women, I can tell you that I am also very “desirous” at differnet times of the month for reasons that have nothing to do with ovulation.

If all things are equal, it may be valid to say that a women is “most desirous” at ovulation. I can tell you that I don’t live in a test tube or a controlled environment. Many, many things can be happening in my environment that trump my hormones.

There are some months in which the heightened hormone levels at Ovulation can be the cause NOT to approach me for “romance.”

Men AND Women are so much more than their hormones. I truly take offense to the concept Willard is espousing in this speech.

30 Bulworth  Fri, May 3, 2013 9:59:22am
a couple must abstain at the very time of the month when the woman is naturally more desirous of physical intimacy.

Who cares what the woman is ‘desirous’ of?1?!?!??????

31 DisturbedEma  Fri, May 3, 2013 9:59:31am

re: #18 Eclectic Cyborg

Is this also known as the rhythm method?

32 GeneJockey  Fri, May 3, 2013 9:59:43am

re: #6 Skip Intro

I didn’t see the other key to successful Mittdom: be born into a wealthy family.

Yep, that’s the key. But it’s not just that Mitt was born into privilege and wealth. It’s thattimes have changed.

I was born last of 6 kids, who span the Baby Boom from 1945-1957. My parents had to scrape by at times, but it was POSSIBLE then. Dad had a good job with a company where he worked from 1946 till he retired sometime in the 1990s, when he was in his mid 70s. They managed on his salary till I went to school, then Mom got a good job. They had great benefits including pensions for both, housing was not too expensive, private college educations for 4 of 6 kids was a stretch, but doable.

It wasn’t anything like as good for us as it was for Mom and Dad, but it was still better than the world that faces the kids he was addressing.

The same colleges are 4x as expensive in real terms. Nobody has pensions anymore. Nobody works for the same company for almost 50 years - hell, FIVE years! College graduates are having difficulty finding jobs AT ALL, let alone ones that pay enough to start a family on, and most of them owe a lot for school loans.

Christ, did we dodge a bullet with THAT guy!

33 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:00:02am

Wow I didn’t realize he was into stuff that fucking weird.

34 jaunte  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:00:41am

re: #24 DisturbedEma

I still laugh when I think about Pizzagate…Trump taking Palin for “real New York pizza” at the Familglia Pizza chain…Jon OWNED him for that:)

Rathair von Pizzaforker.

35 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:00:44am

re: #27 calochortus

Honestly, I think Quiverfull isn’t going to take America by storm, nor is Romney going to change any minds by suggesting young people go ahead and have a bunch of kids. If they wanted to anyway, they will be happy to have “permission”, but people all over the world limit the size of their families when they are given the opportunity. There may be cultural disapproval that delays a reduction in family size, but it happens over time.

One prerequisite for a quiverfull is having a husband who can support a family without the wife working outside the home. Mitt is asking for the very sort of thing modern economic policies have made nearly impossible.

36 FemNaziBitch  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:01:06am

re: #31 DisturbedEma

Is this also known as the rhythm method?

the only acceptable form of contraception in the RC church.

37 Bulworth  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:01:13am
This is not just a random phrase:
What Is Quiverfull?

Shoulda known. It’s like when I first heard what the acronym TGDN stood for. I couldn’t believe it at first. Too ridiculous.

38 Kragar  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:01:15am

Fox News guest: Obama ‘encouraging’ statutory rape by supporting birth control

Republican strategist Brad Blakeman on Friday said that President Barack Obama was complicit in encouraging criminal activity because he supported contraception for young women.

Last month, a federal judge ordered the Obama administration to make emergency contraception available to girls as young as 15 without a prescription. The Justice Department vowed to appeal the ruling, but the president on Thursday told reporters in Mexico that he was “comfortable” with giving girls access to the morning-after pill.

“This makes no sense at all,” Blakeman opined to Fox News host Martha MacCallum on Friday. “You have to be 18 years old to buy a pack of cigarettes. And the president is also encouraging criminal behavior because in most jurisdictions in America, engaging in sexual intercourse at 14, 15 years old is statutory rape. So the president is somehow saying, ‘If you engage in that activity — criminal behavior — that’s okay because the government is going to provide you the out for your bad decision making.’”

Because everyone knows teenagers won’t fuck because its illegal. And they can always just fall back on that abstinence only sex ed which has proven to be so effective over the years.

39 DisturbedEma  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:01:23am

re: #34 jaunte

Totally lol’ed reading that…

40 HappyWarrior  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:02:04am

re: #33 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts

Wow I didn’t realize he was into stuff that fucking weird.

Yeah, I honestly thought he was just a business over all else conservative but it seems that he’s got a little bit of Santorum in him which I guess isn’t so surprising after reading about some of his actions as uh I don’t know the title but I think he was in charge of Boston aera LDS churches and there were stories about him being very dismissinve towards women who came to him for help.

41 DisturbedEma  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:02:26am

re: #36 FemNaziBitch

I just remember the joke- what do you call couples who practice the rhythm method? Parents.

42 Bulworth  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:02:39am
engaging in sexual intercourse at 14, 15 years old is statutory rape. So the president is somehow saying, ‘If you engage in that activity — criminal behavior —

G-damn little 15-year liberal hussies should be in jail, I tells ya.

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43 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:03:20am

re: #38 Kragar

Fox News guest: Obama ‘encouraging’ statutory rape by supporting birth control

Republican strategist Brad Blakeman on Friday said that President Barack Obama was complicit in encouraging criminal activity because he supported contraception for young women.

Because everyone knows teenagers won’t fuck because its illegal. And they can always just fall back on that abstinence only sex ed which has proven to be so effective over the years.

Totally bullshit point-talking: it is not statutory rape if it is between teenagers, only with adults engaging in sex weith teenagers.

44 DisturbedEma  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:03:32am

re: #38 Kragar

So the body doesn’t shut down statuatory rape babies? /

45 Skip Intro  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:03:40am

re: #17 Vicious Babushka

Fuckface Von Clownstick is correct here. The Daily Show is overated compared to Fuckface’s Trump Family Employment show, with a 1.69 rating vs 1.6 for FVC’s crapfest.

46 Bulworth  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:03:49am
“This makes no sense at all,” Blakeman opined to Fox News host Martha MacCallum on Friday. “You have to be 18 years old to buy a pack of cigarettes.

And like cigarettes, birth control kills 350,000 people a year. Oh wait…

47 jaunte  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:04:08am

Quiverfull: Inside the Christian Patriarchy Movement

“Kathryn Joyce’s fascinating introduction to the world of the patriarchy movement and Quiverfull families examines the twenty-first-century women and men who proclaim self-sacrifice and submission as model virtues of womanhood—and as modes of warfare on behalf of Christ. Here, women live within stringently enforced doctrines of wifely submission and male headship, and live by the Quiverfull philosophy of letting God give them as many children as possible so as to win the religion and culture wars through demographic means.”

48 Vicious Babushka  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:04:54am

What is this..? I don’t even…

49 Bulworth  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:05:10am
So the president is somehow saying, ‘If you engage in that activity — criminal behavior — that’s okay because the government is going to provide you the out for your bad decision making.’”

Gubmit is going to give all slutz FREE birth control!!!!1111!!!!1

50 calochortus  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:05:52am

re: #38 Kragar

There is a tiny grain of truth lurking under all that dross. Way back when, “I might get pregnant” was a legit argument for not a girl not wanting to have sex with a boy. With the advent of easily available birth control, it wasn’t any more.
However, I am not suggesting we go back to that. “I don’t want to” is an even better argument IMHO, and we should encourage both its use and respect for it.

51 HappyWarrior  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:06:16am

You know with statements like Mitt’s, the above thing Kragar has linked to, and the Concerned Women for America blaming the Holocaust on the Age of Reasons and Enlightenment, I’m convinced more than ever that many modern conservatives aren’t conservatives at all but reactionaries. This isn’t opposition to rushed change which is merely conservative, this is harking back for the past where church doctrine ruled supreme over state doctrine. This is textbook reactionarism. I must admit I didn’t realize it until I saw groups like the AFA and FRC finding fault not with merely Roe but also Eisenstadt V. Baird and Griswold vs Connecticut. This is honestly scary.

52 Kragar  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:06:47am

re: #48 Vicious Babushka

What is this..? I don’t even…

I bet you the guy is pro-death penalty and against public healthcare and education.

53 HappyWarrior  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:07:25am

re: #52 Kragar

I bet you the guy is pro-death penalty and against public healthcare and education.

That’s pretty much a given for any tgdn.

54 GeneJockey  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:08:25am

re: #48 Vicious Babushka

Huh. It follows, then, that

‘All Human DNA spermatozoa R human. Therefore all human spermatozoa R persons’.

Adolescent boys are the new Hitler!

55 HappyWarrior  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:09:22am

re: #54 GeneJockey

Huh. It follows, then, that

Make masterbation a felony.//

56 Bulworth  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:09:25am

re: #47 jaunte

The movement, which takes its name from a verse in Psalm 127, advocates a retreat from society and a rejection of government policies that encourage equal rights for women, pregnancy prevention and an individualistic ethic.

What, no Freedom? Liberty?

57 calochortus  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:09:25am

re: #54 GeneJockey

Huh. It follows, then, that

Every sperm is sacred.

58 Kragar  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:10:11am

re: #55 HappyWarrior

Make masterbation a felony.//

I have become Shiva, Destroyer of Worlds.

59 FemNaziBitch  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:10:52am

re: #41 DisturbedEma

I just remember the joke- what do you call couples who practice the rhythm method? Parents.

I remember learning about “coitus interruptus” as well. It along with “natural family planning” were the lowest effectiveness rates of all contraception.

60 Stanghazi  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:10:58am

re: #48 Vicious Babushka

What is this..? I don’t even…

*deleted*

61 calochortus  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:11:00am

re: #56 Bulworth

What, no Freedom? Liberty?

True Freedom™ is obedience to God!

62 GeneJockey  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:11:06am

re: #57 calochortus

Every sperm is sacred.

Let the heathens spill them on the dusty ground,

God will make them pay for each sperm that can’t be found!

63 Bubblehead II  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:11:45am

So how long until Bryan gives Mits’s message his stamp of approval?

64 FemNaziBitch  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:12:08am

re: #61 calochortus

True FreedomTM is obedience to God!

obedience to a human being’s concept of G-d.

That human being usually accepts Mastercard, Visa, American Express and Paypal. —and lately seems to also want your vote.

65 Bad Messiah  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:12:52am

“Sharing his secrets for “abundant living,” Romney urged the new grads to go out, get married, and procreate like crazy.”

This sage counsel couldn’t possibly be related to the GOPs looming demographic disaster?

Naw, nevermind.

66 Skip Intro  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:12:53am

re: #38 Kragar

“This makes no sense at all,” Blakeman opined to Fox News host Martha MacCallum on Friday. “You have to be 18 years old to buy a pack of cigarettes.

Of course, you can buy a gun for your kid when (s)he’s four. Younger, probably.

youtube.com

Note the gun safety tip where mom points the rifle at Junior’s head.

67 jaunte  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:13:17am

re: #56 Bulworth

What, no Freedom? Liberty?

Give your quiver the idea it has Liberty and it might wind up walking away from you

68 Vicious Babushka  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:13:24am

A logical extension to this philosophy is to encourage polygamy. Why should an unemployed or low-wage earner impregnate a woman when she can be better supported by a wealthy man who has already proven his virility?

69 Eventual Carrion  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:13:57am

re: #38 Kragar

Fox News guest: Obama ‘encouraging’ statutory rape by supporting birth control

Republican strategist Brad Blakeman on Friday said that President Barack Obama was complicit in encouraging criminal activity because he supported contraception for young women.

Because everyone knows teenagers won’t fuck because its illegal. And they can always just fall back on that abstinence only sex ed which has proven to be so effective over the years.

If the boy is 13 and the girl is 14, who gets the rape file charged to them I wonder?

70 FemNaziBitch  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:14:15am

re: #68 Vicious Babushka

A logical extension to this philosophy is to encourage polygamy. Why should an unemployed or low-wage earner impregnate a woman when she can be better supported by a wealthy man who has already proven his virility?

Then she can be a stay-at-home single-mom and collect government benefits.

71 calochortus  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:15:33am

re: #65 Bad Messiah

A hatchling? Welcome!

72 Vicious Babushka  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:15:44am

re: #70 FemNaziBitch

Then she can be a stay-at-home single-mom and collect government benefits.

MOOCHER!!11!!!
POORS SHOULD WORK 100 HRS A WEEK FOR SUB MINIMUM WAGE AND NOT BREED LIKE ANIMALZ!!!1!!!!

73 Lidane  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:16:41am

re: #31 DisturbedEma

Is this also known as the rhythm method?

No. The rhythm method is basically involves the guy pulling out before he climaxes and the couple hoping for the best.

NFP involves all of the methods that women who are trying to conceive use — temperature charts, ovulation prediction kits, daily monitoring of a woman’s cycle, etc. — to know when NOT to have sex.

74 Kragar  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:17:30am

Rush Limbaugh: Where’s The ‘Tolerance’ For People Who Come Out As Bigots?

Like NFL player Asante Samuel, Rush Limbaugh is a bit flummoxed about why everyone is celebrating the coming out of NBA player Jason Collins. On his show earlier this week, Limbaugh complained that there is excitement for a person’s sexuality being “rammed down everybody’s throat all the time,” but no “tolerance” for people who oppose homosexuality:

LIMBAUGH: Folks, I grew up in a family where people’s sexual orientation, preferences, whatever, weren’t even discussed. Why can’t everybody just put your sexual preferences on Facebook and call it a day? What do we need to stop everything and have a national day of celebration, or mourning (depending on your point of view), or recognition or whatever about this? This tolerance, it only goes one way. So Person X of some national stature announces his sexual orientation as gay, and applause!

It’s a great day for America. We’re really taking giant leaps ahead. If anybody says, “You know, I’m not big on that,” it’s, “You bigot! You racist! You extremist. You homophobe.” There is no tolerance at all here. Not only do these people have to publicly announce it, but everybody else has to applaud and accept it.

75 FemNaziBitch  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:17:31am

I think one thing I really can’t fathom is that Mitt seems to be assuming these young women went to college to get their MRS degrees.

WTF?

76 FemNaziBitch  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:18:14am

re: #74 Kragar

Rush Limbaugh: Where’s The ‘Tolerance’ For People Who Come Out As Bigots?

This sound like a NAMBLA argument.

“It’s true love”

77 stabby  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:18:17am

re: #75 FemNaziBitch

Both of the Romneys are like that. I find them surprisingly creepy.

78 Vicious Babushka  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:18:23am

re: #75 FemNaziBitch

I think one thing I really can’t fathom is that Mitt seems to be assuming these young women went to college to get their MRS degrees.

WTF?

That’s what Ann did.

79 Eventual Carrion  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:19:01am

re: #58 Kragar

I have become Shiva, Destroyer of Worlds.

One colony at a time.

80 FemNaziBitch  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:19:10am

re: #73 Lidane

No. The rhythm method is basically involves the guy pulling out before he climaxes and the couple hoping for the best.

NFP involves all of the methods that women who are trying to conceive use — temperature charts, ovulation prediction kits, daily monitoring of a woman’s cycle, etc. — to know when NOT to have sex.

Yeah, I grew up Catholic and I didn’t learn that. Coitus Interruptus is not the same as the Rythm method, AFAIK.

81 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:19:14am

re: #78 Vicious Babushka

That’s what Ann did.

Is that not what Mormon women are sent to college to do?

82 celticdragon  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:19:50am

re: #25 Kragar

Wilkerson has usually been a reasonable and interesting guy. I think his experience from the “sexed up” WMD intelligence debacle of 12 years ago is altering his judgement here in an unhelpful way. I see no reason for the Israelis to be pleased with any side who comes out of this victorious and therefore no need for them to try to draw us in on something that will not be profitable to their own security no matter what outcome is obtained.

If anything, they would probably prefer that Assad stay in power rather then be replaced by Islamists.

83 Stanghazi  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:19:51am

re: #75 FemNaziBitch

I think one thing I really can’t fathom is that Mitt seems to be assuming these young women went to college to get their MRS degrees.

WTF?

*I’m still deleting*

84 stabby  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:21:22am

re: #76 FemNaziBitch

Reminds me of “The open society and it’s enemies” where Karl Popper argues that it’s suicide for tolerant open societies to be tolerant of intolerance. He argues that fascism has to be repressed, because if you give fascists the unfettered freedom to organize they will take over by force.

85 Vicious Babushka  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:21:39am

DERP

86 Stanghazi  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:21:46am

re: #83 Stanley Sea

*I’m still deleting*

Every day I cannot believe that it is 2013 when I read the shit these backwards freaks are suggesting.

87 stabby  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:22:44am

re: #80 FemNaziBitch

I dinged Lidane for being wrong.

88 Kragar  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:23:06am

Homophobic? Maybe You’re Gay

Our paper describes six studies conducted in the United States and Germany involving 784 university students. Participants rated their sexual orientation on a 10-point scale, ranging from gay to straight. Then they took a computer-administered test designed to measure their implicit sexual orientation. In the test, the participants were shown images and words indicative of hetero- and homosexuality (pictures of same-sex and straight couples, words like “homosexual” and “gay”) and were asked to sort them into the appropriate category, gay or straight, as quickly as possible. The computer measured their reaction times.

The twist was that before each word and image appeared, the word “me” or “other” was flashed on the screen for 35 milliseconds — long enough for participants to subliminally process the word but short enough that they could not consciously see it. The theory here, known as semantic association, is that when “me” precedes words or images that reflect your sexual orientation (for example, heterosexual images for a straight person), you will sort these images into the correct category faster than when “me” precedes words or images that are incongruent with your sexual orientation (for example, homosexual images for a straight person). This technique, adapted from similar tests used to assess attitudes like subconscious racial bias, reliably distinguishes between self-identified straight individuals and those who self-identify as lesbian, gay or bisexual.

Using this methodology we identified a subgroup of participants who, despite self-identifying as highly straight, indicated some level of same-sex attraction (that is, they associated “me” with gay-related words and pictures faster than they associated “me” with straight-related words and pictures). Over 20 percent of self-described highly straight individuals showed this discrepancy.

Notably, these “discrepant” individuals were also significantly more likely than other participants to favor anti-gay policies; to be willing to assign significantly harsher punishments to perpetrators of petty crimes if they were presumed to be homosexual; and to express greater implicit hostility toward gay subjects (also measured with the help of subliminal priming). Thus our research suggests that some who oppose homosexuality do tacitly harbor same-sex attraction.

89 FemNaziBitch  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:23:08am

One of my college roommates got engaged and told us her father was angry. He sent all his girls to college and every one of them got married right after they graduated. He felt like he had wasted his money. He expected them to earn a living for a while and save their money for when they got married.

They were a very Roman Catholic family.

90 122 Year Old Obama  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:23:10am

re: #86 Stanley Sea

Indeed. These people really seem to love making it harder and harder for me to maintain my composure here.

91 Dr Lizardo  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:23:21am

re: #86 Stanley Sea

Every day I cannot believe that it is 2013 when I read the shit these backwards freaks are suggesting.

When I read the intellectual nonsense these clowns spew on a daily basis, I find it difficult to believe we’re actually in the 21st Century.

92 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:23:37am

re: #84 stabby

Reminds me of “The open society and it’s enemies” where Karl Popper argues that it’s suicide for tolerant open societies to be tolerant of intolerance. He argues that fascism has to be repressed, because if you give fascists the unfettered freedom to organize they will take over by force.

Oh, sort of like how it was said that allowing Mubarak to be overthrown by popular protest in Egypt was a mistake since it was going to open the door for the Muslim Brotherhood to take over?

This claim, of course, overlooks all the baggage floating around in Egypt from earlier regimes, European de facto control of the country, and other historical events.

93 Vicious Babushka  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:25:15am

Wingnuts think it’s a Bad Thing that people don’t starve. WTF

94 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:25:27am

re: #73 Lidane

No. The rhythm method is basically involves the guy pulling out before he climaxes and the couple hoping for the best.

NFP involves all of the methods that women who are trying to conceive use — temperature charts, ovulation prediction kits, daily monitoring of a woman’s cycle, etc. — to know when NOT to have sex.

Rhythm method = timing the woman’s cycle and avoiding intercourse close to ovulation.

Coitus interruptus = male withdrawal before ejaculation.

95 GeneJockey  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:25:47am

re: #80 FemNaziBitch

Yeah, I grew up Catholic and I didn’t learn that. Coitus Interruptus is not the same as the Rythm method.

Concur. The Rythm method is estimating when in the cycle ovulation is most likely to occur, and not having intercourse +/- 3 days or so. It requires that the woman have very regular cycles. It’s what Mom used - and 5 of the 6 of us were unplanned, so you can see how risky it is.

NFP may be a more accurate version of this, involving temperatures etc.

96 DisturbedEma  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:26:04am

re: #73 Lidane

Ok so Rhythm is what is also calling “pulling out”? And using BMT to chart ovulation is natural? I am familiar with charting, but the only people I know using it are TRYING to get pregnant by timing with ovulation

97 stabby  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:26:24am

re: #88 Kragar

While I realize that a lot of homophobes are reacting to their own desire, I find the design of tests like that very unconvincing and creepy.

I feel like we’re framing people by their reaction times. It’s very presumptutius to equate reaction time with homophobia or racial hatred.

98 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:26:32am

re: #94 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

Rhythm method = timing the woman’s cycle and avoiding intercourse close to ovulation.

Coitus interruptus = male withdrawal before ejaculation.

The latter is, if practiced perfectly, actually a very good method.

The number of people who can do it perfectly? Very low.

99 Kragar  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:26:34am

Sodomy: 100% effective Birth Control
/

100 Bulworth  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:26:38am
LIMBAUGH: Folks, I grew up in a family where people’s sexual orientation, preferences, whatever, weren’t even discussed.

Wait, I think I’ve spotted the problem….

101 FemNaziBitch  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:27:01am

re: #87 stabby

I dinged Lidane for being wrong.

She may not be, but I’d need to see links. What I grew-up with may not be correct outside my environment. As it is a (IMHO) a really stupid method of contraception, I never researched it or it’s history.

I guess I also have to say I’ve met a couple of women for whom it does work. They seem to have very regular cycles and I guess their fertility levels and their partner’s fertility levels mesh that well.

There are so many variables —alcohol or marijuana use, number and viability of sperm that I have a hard time thinking of it as a viable contraceptive method, but I guess, for some, it does work.

102 DisturbedEma  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:27:46am

re: #80 FemNaziBitch

The only women I know charting and using OPKs are frantically trying to have kids

103 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:27:48am

re: #97 stabby

The meaning of reaction times is somewhat debateable, but it’s based on the good research from the Harvard Implicit Association tests. Do you know about that?

104 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:28:13am

re: #96 DisturbedEma

Ok so Rhythm is what is also calling “pulling out”? And using BMT to chart ovulation is natural? I am familiar with charting, but the only people I know using it are TRYING to get pregnant by timing with ovulation

No, see Wikipedia: Calendar based contraceptive methods.

Coitus interruptus is what is also called “pulling out”.

105 Decatur Deb  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:28:19am

re: #94 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

Rhythm method = timing the woman’s cycle and avoiding intercourse close to ovulation.

Coitus interruptus = male withdrawal before ejaculation.

We played Vatican Roullete when we were first married. First Son was born 9 mo and 5 days after the wedding. (Admittedly, he was said to be 2 weeks premature.)

106 Vicious Babushka  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:29:21am
107 GeneJockey  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:29:26am

re: #98 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts

The latter is, if practiced perfectly, actually a very good method.

Uh, no. Especially if, like a lot of young couples, you go for >1/night.

108 Kragar  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:29:42am

Incoming NRA President Calls Civil War The ‘War Of Northern Aggression’

The NRA was started, 1871, right here in New York state. It was started by some Yankee generals who didn’t like the way my southern boys had the ability to shoot in what we call the “War of Northern Aggression.” Now, y’all might call it the Civil War, but we call it the War of Northern Aggression down south.

But that was the very reason that they started the National Rifle Association, was to teach and train the civilian in the use of the standard military firearm. And I am one who still feels very strongly that that is one of our most greatest charges that we can have today, is to train the civilian in the use of the standard military firearm, so that when they have to fight for their country they’re ready to do it. Also, when they’re ready to fight tyranny, they’re ready to do it. Also, when they’re ready to fight tyranny, they have the wherewithal and the weapons to do it.

109 kirkspencer  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:30:22am

re: #74 Kragar

Rush Limbaugh: Where’s The ‘Tolerance’ For People Who Come Out As Bigots?

wait, let’s rephrase.

“Why don’t people want to be around assholes?”

110 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:30:24am

re: #100 Bulworth

Wait, I think I’ve spotted the problem….

I’m also not aware of many people who say “I’m not big on that” suddenly being yelled at for being bigots and racists.

Rushbo sounds exactly like the people in a FB discussion I got involved with last night. The opposition is permanently offended, and thus is going to call them names for the most minor of objections. No context, no accuracy, and no attempt at rational discourse.

111 Bulworth  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:30:50am
this week, Limbaugh complained that there is excitement for a person’s sexuality being “rammed down everybody’s throat all the time,”

This “rammed down everybody’s throat all the time” is a popular wingnut theme. It’s applied to most everything they seem not to like, healthcare, teh gay, etc. I wonder, isn’t the fact of Limbaugh’s being on all our radios all the time like shoving him down all our throats all the time? Hey, I’m just asking Q’s….

112 bratwurst  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:31:13am

re: #100 Bulworth

Wait, I think I’ve spotted the problem….

Of course, El Rushbo ended his family tradition of keeping sexual proclivities private by getting caught coming home from the Dominican Republic with Viagra prescribed to someone else.

113 FemNaziBitch  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:31:33am

re: #98 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts

The latter is, if practiced perfectly, actually a very good method.

The number of people who can do it perfectly? Very low.

No it’s not. Ever heard of “pre-cum”? (teehee). Honestly, I don’t know the medical term.

Sperm are like self-targeting missles and some of them are damn strong!

114 DisturbedEma  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:31:34am

re: #104 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

I’m familiar with the more commercialized forms of birth control. I also have a few friends and family members trying to have kids at different stages in their adulthood. Pulling out I always thought was coitus interuptus, and rhythm involved charting body temps and other bodily functions to have babies- I see here it can also be used to prevent pregnancy as well…hmm. With as many kids as I have, you’d think I’d know that:)

115 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:31:39am

re: #107 GeneJockey

Uh, no. Especially if, like a lot of young couples, you go for >1/night.

That wouldn’t be practicing it perfectly. And I’m sorry, but it is true. It’s just not a good method because most people won’t practice it perfectly.

116 stabby  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:32:12am

re: #92 Feline Fearless Leader

Oh, sort of like how it was said that allowing Mubarak to be overthrown by popular protest in Egypt was a mistake since it was going to open the door for the Muslim Brotherhood to take over?

This claim, of course, overlooks all the baggage floating around in Egypt from earlier regimes, European de facto control of the country, and other historical events.

No if fascists have their say, they will gain adherents, they will build a milita, march in the street, oppress people ie beat people up and threaten them, and take over..

It doesn’t take a majority to take over and destroy a society!

And you know, the Muslim Brotherhood DID take over Egypt. And the liberals ARE going to jail (yes, again) and ARE fleeing the country.

And the current President of Egypt introduced his candidacy with a Brotherhood cleric making a speech saying that the Jews should be afraid and that the capital of Egypt was going to be Jerusalem! I listened to that speech and heard the crowd cheer with hatred.

Your point?

117 DisturbedEma  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:32:20am

re: #107 GeneJockey

Pre ejaculate fluid contains sperm…just saying

118 FemNaziBitch  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:32:35am

re: #102 DisturbedEma

The only women I know charting and using OPKs are frantically trying to have kids

Yeah, me to, but I don’t know any Whacko Fundamentalist Christians. Or even Catholics who use that method.

119 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:33:05am

re: #98 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts

The latter is, if practiced perfectly, actually a very good method.

The number of people who can do it perfectly? Very low.

Sort of like tightrope walking without a net. Perfectly safe as long as you make no mistakes.

120 DisturbedEma  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:33:41am

re: #118 FemNaziBitch

No, in my case they are women who are on second marriages with children from their first, and now want to have children with their new husbands

121 Bad Messiah  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:34:32am

Thank you calochortus.
A hatchling and born-again-blue.
Great website…Great contributors.
See y’all around campus!

122 Lidane  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:34:35am

re: #98 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts

The latter is, if practiced perfectly, actually a very good method.

The number of people who can do it perfectly? Very low.

For that matter, the number of people who can perform the former perfectly isn’t all that great either.

I belong to enough PCOS support groups online to see women that are desperate for children going through all the charting, temps, timing, ovulation prediction kits, etc. As soon as they get their periods again, they’re devastated and in tears. They’re especially harsh on their boyfriend/husband if he’s exhausted or not able to perform on command during the ovualtion days. Even when they think they’re doing everything right, nature doesn’t agree.

Both NFP and coitus interruptus (what I incorrectly called the rhythm method) are inefficient. NFP assumes that a woman has perfectly predictable cycles and coitus interruptus assumes that a man knows his own body well enough to be able to time pulling out perfectly.

123 Lidane  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:34:52am

re: #99 Kragar

Sodomy: 100% effective Birth Control

Saddlebacking for everyone!

124 GeneJockey  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:35:01am

re: #117 DisturbedEma

Pre ejaculate fluid contains sperm…just saying

THAT’S the word I was looking for!!

125 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:35:23am

re: #113 FemNaziBitch

No it’s not. Ever heard of “pre-cum”? (teehee). Honestly, I don’t know the medical term.

Sperm are like self-targeting missles and some of them are damn strong!

I’m sorry, you’re wrong. As long as the man urinates, there’s no actual spermatazoa in ‘precum’.

Here, don’t believe me, believe PP.

plannedparenthood.org

Of every 100 women whose partners use withdrawal, 4 will become pregnant each year if they always do it correctly.

Of every 100 women whose partners use withdrawal, 27 will become pregnant each year if they don’t always do it correctly.

PP’s numbers are actually a bit high— more studies since then have shown it’s more efficacious. But even those numbers are only twice as high as condoms used perfectly, and less than twice as high as condoms used imperfectly.

Each year, 2 out of 100 women whose partners use condoms will become pregnant if they always use condoms correctly.
Each year, 18 out of 100 women whose partners use condoms will become pregnant if they don’t always use condoms correctly.

I am not recommending it, because, as I said, so few people can do it correctly.

126 DisturbedEma  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:35:43am

re: #124 GeneJockey

Happy to help…is that weird? :)

127 kirkspencer  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:35:47am

re: #108 Kragar

Incoming NRA President Calls Civil War The ‘War Of Northern Aggression’

my favorite his how he thinks the generals were unhappy the northern soldiers couldn’t shoot as well as southerners. Shades of the “strength of 10, too bad you’ve got 11” argument, but I digress.

In reality it was due to a rather simplistic statistical analysis: bullets issued and used (or lost) divided by reported and estimated casualties. The rate ran close to 1,000 bullets per casualty, a number some leaders found shocking. Southern record keeping (of bullets) wasn’t as good, but using what could be found the estimate is that their overall marksmanship was similar.

But it’s an article of faith among southerners that they are better warriors. And it’s not worth dissuading them, usually.

128 stabby  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:35:59am

re: #103 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts

re: #98 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts

I also find Obdicut creepy

129 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:36:01am

re: #114 DisturbedEma

I’m familiar with the more commercialized forms of birth control. I also have a few friends and family members trying to have kids at different stages in their adulthood. Pulling out I always thought was coitus interuptus, and rhythm involved charting body temps and other bodily functions to have babies- I see here it can also be used to prevent pregnancy as well…hmm. With as many kids as I have, you’d think I’d know that:)

Here’s what Wikipedia says (my bold):

In 1905 Theodoor Hendrik van de Velde, a Dutch gynecologist, showed that women only ovulate once per menstrual cycle. In the 1920s, Kyusaku Ogino, a Japanese gynecologist, and Hermann Knaus, from Austria, working independently, each made the discovery that ovulation occurs about fourteen days before the next menstrual period. Ogino used his discovery to develop a formula for use in aiding infertile women to time intercourse to achieve pregnancy.

In 1930, John Smulders, a Roman Catholic physician from the Netherlands, used Knaus and Ogino’s discoveries to create a method for avoiding pregnancy. Smulders published his work with the Dutch Roman Catholic medical association, and this was the official rhythm method promoted over the next several decades. In 1932 a Catholic physician, Dr. Leo J Latz, published a book titled The Rhythm of Sterility and Fertility in Women describing the method, and the 1930s also saw the first U.S. Rhythm Clinic (founded by John Rock) to teach the method to Catholic couples.

130 GeneJockey  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:36:26am

re: #115 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts

See 113 and 117.

“How are penises like basketball players? Because they dribble before they shoot.”

131 stabby  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:36:34am

re: #125 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts

yeah, creepy

132 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:37:10am

re: #122 Lidane

The only really effective (less than 1% chance of pregnancy) method of birth control are pharmaceutical and surgical, at this point.

133 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:38:04am

re: #130 GeneJockey

See 113 and 117.

“How are penises like basketball players? Because they dribble before they shoot.”

It doesn’t, though. I’m sorry, but you’re wrong.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12286905

134 Stanghazi  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:38:17am

Gotta run. Good day at work here, throwing a b-day party for the owner. Grillling cheesesteaks at the office.

I’m out to get the drinks.

When I return hopefully we will have a live NRA convention thread. I have a feeling the break with reality will be epic.

135 Kragar  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:38:38am

re: #127 kirkspencer

Soldiers always beat warriors in the long run.

136 Varek Raith  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:38:45am

re: #108 Kragar

Incoming NRA President Calls Civil War The ‘War Of Northern Aggression’

Whereas I call it;
The War of the South Getting it’s Ass Kicked and Being Butthurt for a Century and a Half.

137 stabby  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:39:09am

I don’t understand how she got pregnant, I peed first!

That slut!

138 Stephen T.  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:39:22am

re: #51 HappyWarrior

You know with statements like Mitt’s, the above thing Kragar has linked to, and the Concerned Women for America blaming the Holocaust on the Age of Reasons and Enlightenment, I’m convinced more than ever that many modern conservatives aren’t conservatives at all but reactionaries. This isn’t opposition to rushed change which is merely conservative, this is harking back for the past where church doctrine ruled supreme over state doctrine. This is textbook reactionarism. I must admit I didn’t realize it until I saw groups like the AFA and FRC finding fault not with merely Roe but also Eisenstadt V. Baird and Griswold vs Connecticut. This is honestly scary.

I had not heard of Eisenstadt V. Baird before this, I had to look it up. Thank you for contributing to my knowlege.

139 DisturbedEma  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:39:25am

re: #125 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts

I see your PP and raise you a Mayo

here

140 Lidane  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:39:37am

re: #132 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts

The only really effective (less than 1% chance of pregnancy) method of birth control are pharmaceutical and surgical, at this point.

Yep. If you absolutely don’t want kids, birth control pills, contraceptive injections, an IUD, or surgery > NFP or anything else.

141 Kragar  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:40:09am

re: #130 GeneJockey

See 113 and 117.

“How are penises like basketball players? Because they dribble before they shoot.”

I like my sex the way I like my basketball. One on one with as little dribbling as possible.

The second time in as many days I’ve got to use that line.

142 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:40:10am

re: #137 stabby

I don’t understand how she got pregnant, I peed first!

That slut!

I’m sorry science makes you angry, Stabby.

You’re a very strange person.

143 GeneJockey  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:40:30am

re: #125 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts

I’m sorry, you’re wrong. As long as the man urinates, there’s no actual spermatazoa in ‘precum’.

Sorry, but that’s not what it actually says. It says

Even if a man pulls out in time, pregnancy can still happen. Some experts believe that pre-ejaculate, or pre-cum, can pick up enough sperm left in the urethra from a previous ejaculation to cause pregnancy. If a man urinates between ejaculations before having sex again, it will help clear the urethra of sperm and may increase the effectiveness of withdrawal.

That’s a whole lot less definitive than you made it sound.

144 Kragar  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:41:04am

re: #136 Varek Raith

Whereas I call it;
The War of the South Getting it’s Ass Kicked and Being Butthurt for a Century and a Half.

“Sherman’s totally awesome beach trip.”

145 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:41:32am

re: #139 DisturbedEma

I see your PP and raise you a Mayo

here

He’s technically right— it can contain sperm, if the man hasn’t urinated. It is possible to become pregnant. But please, just read the paper about the study that I linked.

146 FemNaziBitch  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:41:43am

re: #117 DisturbedEma

Pre ejaculate fluid contains sperm…just saying

That’s the term —yes, thank you for posting it.

147 GeneJockey  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:42:29am

re: #145 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts

He’s technically right— it can contain sperm, if the man hasn’t urinated. It is possible to become pregnant. But please, just read the paper about the study that I linked.

Your link went nowhere. Bad syntax?

148 Vicious Babushka  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:42:52am

He left off
CAN have sex
CAN become pregnant
From his list of Can’s

149 celticdragon  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:42:52am

re: #73 Lidane

No. The rhythm method is basically involves the guy pulling out before he climaxes and the couple hoping for the best.

NFP involves all of the methods that women who are trying to conceive use — temperature charts, ovulation prediction kits, daily monitoring of a woman’s cycle, etc. — to know when NOT to have sex.

“Do you know the technical term we use for women who practice the rhythm method? We call them mothers”.

Robert Heinlein Stranger in a Strange Land

150 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:43:22am

The point I was trying to make is that the ‘perfect’ rate really doesn’t matter except in context of the number of people who can perform perfectly, which is a very low number. Because of that, rythm, withdrawal, and condoms are all not very effective contraceptives. Condoms are still very good things because they are both STD-preventers and pregnancy-preventers, but they shouldn’t be relied on alone.

151 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:43:23am

Hmm. It’s possible that this isn’t a spammer, but if so it would be the first person from Nigeria who ever registered at LGF who wasn’t a spammer.

Keeping an eye on him.

littlegreenfootballs.com

152 lawhawk  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:44:14am

re: #148 Vicious Babushka

And can use guns, and can shoot family (accidentally or on purpose)…

153 FemNaziBitch  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:44:43am

re: #125 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts

I’m sorry, you’re wrong. As long as the man urinates, there’s no actual spermatazoa in ‘precum’.

Here, don’t believe me, believe PP.

plannedparenthood.org

PP’s numbers are actually a bit high— more studies since then have shown it’s more efficacious. But even those numbers are only twice as high as condoms used perfectly, and less than twice as high as condoms used imperfectly.

I am not recommending it, because, as I said, so few people can do it correctly.

Yeah, I don’t see that happening on Saturday Night in the car in the parking lot …

Although alcohol use may cause it to happen anyway.

teehee

154 FemNaziBitch  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:45:16am

re: #128 stabby

re: #98 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts

I also find Obdicut creepy

Please don’t start.

155 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:45:24am

re: #147 GeneJockey

Your link went nowhere. Bad syntax?

Oh, sorry, maybe. Lemme try again.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

This may be beacuse I have pubmed access. Can you see those?

156 FemNaziBitch  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:46:26am

re: #132 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts

The only really effective (less than 1% chance of pregnancy) method of birth control are pharmaceutical and surgical, at this point.

and abstience. I don’t promote abstinence-only education, but one can’t ignore the truth.

157 stabby  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:47:42am

re: #156 FemNaziBitch

and homosexualty

158 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:47:43am

Basically ‘pre-cum’ isn’t coming from any pathway that would allow spermatazoa to get into it, it’s secreted by a discrete gland. Spermatazoa are released by a specific hormone reaction that very much is keyed to release them all at once, which makes the most sense from an evolutionary perspective, too. The body is keyed not to ‘leak’ sperm.

159 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:48:03am

re: #156 FemNaziBitch

and abstience. I don’t promote abstinence-only education, but one can’t ignore the truth.

Likewise, perfect if done perfectly, almost never done perfectly.

160 calochortus  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:48:57am

BBL

161 Vicious Babushka  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:50:01am

Wingnuts are scary stupid

162 sffilk  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:50:04am

Understand this: he was talking at a Mormon institution, and it’s the Mormons’ belief that the best that a woman can do in life is to become a wife and mother.

163 stabby  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:50:22am

:/ I started to “heh” at someone else’s possibly inadvertant joke, deleted the link back
but left the heh in by accident when I linked back to femnazi…

Just edited out

164 GeneJockey  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:50:34am

Okay, I found the Pubmed citation, and it’s not definitive either - indeed, the title doesn’t accurately describe findings detailed in the abstract.

We seem to have run down a bit of a blind alley on this, but I think we can agree that it’s very risky at best. Interestingly the primary finding of the studies was that HIV can be transmitted even using coitus interruptus properly, and indeed higher than the risk of pregnancy.

165 Bulworth  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:50:56am

re: #161 Vicious Babushka

She really should pick another Twitter handle….

166 stabby  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:51:39am

re: #161 Vicious Babushka

Fee fie foe fum

167 DisturbedEma  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:51:48am

re: #145 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts

I read it- I do wonder how these different conclusions exist, Mayo link acknowledges the lack of diffinitive answer on sperm presence as does PP, PP is a bit more clear on how there “could” be sperm. In addition to this debate I found out that the Cowper’s gland that produces pre ejaculate also secretes the PSA used to dx prostate cancer…very interesting indeed

168 Vicious Babushka  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:52:35am

re: #165 Bulworth

She really should pick another Twitter handle….

Yeah, I Tweeted her (although it may be a guy) a link to Ayn Rand’s view of abortion, and she (it?) said “Well yeah but she was wrong about that one thing.”

Cognitive dissonance, it’s what’s for lunch!

169 DisturbedEma  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:53:41am

re: #151 Charles Johnson

Ok

170 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:54:02am

re: #168 Vicious Babushka

Yeah, I Tweeted her (although it may be a guy) a link to Ayn Rand’s view of abortion, and she (it?) said “Well yeah but she was wrong about that one thing.”

Cognitive dissonance, it’s what’s for lunch!

A good spicy mustard helps with that.

171 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:54:28am

re: #164 GeneJockey

I’m sorry, most of my knowledge on this comes from my wife’s recent OB/GYN rotation, and there are more current articles showing this, I’m just not finding them quickly— and there are also no articles, no studies, that have found sperm in ‘pre-cum’ except in men who have actual physical structural differences, which can explain it— and which underscores that this is non-standard.

In addition, as I’ve said, where pre-cum comes from (ba-dump) isn’t the same pathway, and it’s not triggered by the same hormones, so there’s no reason to assume it would be present. While it’s completely true that woman have become prengant from guys pulling out, it is most logical to assume that guy had come earlier and not uritanted and so still had spermatazoa from that.

172 DisturbedEma  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:54:37am

re: #155 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts

worked for me

173 Decatur Deb  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:54:54am

re: #162 sffilk

Understand this: he was talking at a Mormon institution, and it’s the Mormons’ belief that the best that a woman can do in life is to become a wife and mother.

Quite true, and will help him should he find his true vocation as leader—of the Mormon church.

174 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:55:23am

re: #155 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts

Oh, sorry, maybe. Lemme try again.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

This may be beacuse I have pubmed access. Can you see those?

The text of your link was fine, and I was able to copy that and paste it into the URL window. The problem was that the actual URL behind that text was borked. It tried to go to some nonexistent LGF page.

175 GeneJockey  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:56:09am

Here’s one that suggests it’s a function of the individual:

Link

Eleven of the 27 subjects (41%) produced pre-ejaculatory samples that contained spermatozoa and in 10 of these cases (37%), a reasonable proportion of the sperm was motile. The volunteers produced on up to five separate occasions and sperms were found in either all or none of their pre-ejaculatory samples.

176 DisturbedEma  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:57:09am

re: #173 Decatur Deb

Is there a poverty requirement for that job? Ann may not want to go back to eating her poverty days menu- tuna fish, the sandwich of oppression and destitution (yes I’m STILL pissed)

177 FemNaziBitch  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:58:25am

re: #161 Vicious Babushka

Wingnuts are scary stupid

Time to put Gerri Santoro’s picuture out there again?

178 Vicious Babushka  Fri, May 3, 2013 10:58:46am

re: #176 DisturbedEma

Is there a poverty requirement for that job? Ann may not want to go back to eating her poverty days menu- tuna fish, the sandwich of oppression and destitution (yes I’m STILL pissed)

Only when it’s eaten off an ironing board!

179 GeneJockey  Fri, May 3, 2013 11:01:00am

re: #171 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts

The one I posted, I found in the ‘Related Articles’, off to the side on the page, at one of the abstracts you linked to. I use ‘Related Articles’ a lot when trying to find info on a particular gene, for example

180 FemNaziBitch  Fri, May 3, 2013 11:01:49am

bbiab

181 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Fri, May 3, 2013 11:02:47am

re: #175 GeneJockey

That’s interesting, but in the study they admit they’re the deviation from the norm, and that while the concentration of the sperm is similar between the pre and actual, the number is not comparable.

Still, that’s a study that I hadn’t seen before, and it may be that the number of men with structural differences is higher than I’d thought. However, the actual numbers on pregnancy rate if practiced perfectly should be far higher if more men leaked sperm, so there’s still that to be taken into account.

At any rate, I did speak too broadly, and more studies would be a good thing. That study you linked also seems to simply assume that the men had urinated between their last ejaculation and their visit to the clinic, which strikes me as an odd thing to assume.

182 Bubblehead II  Fri, May 3, 2013 11:02:51am

OT But, Hey Kirk! You brought up 3-D printers for home use in the last thread. Have you seen this yet?

Staples starts selling 3-D printers

3-D printers have officially gone mainstream. You can now get one at Staples for $1,300.

183 Vicious Babushka  Fri, May 3, 2013 11:03:42am

WIN

184 Decatur Deb  Fri, May 3, 2013 11:04:09am

re: #181 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts

That’s interesting, but in the study they admit they’re the deviation from the norm, and that while the concentration of the sperm is similar between the pre and actual, the number is not comparable.

Still, that’s a study that I hadn’t seen before, and it may be that the number of men with structural differences is higher than I’d thought. However, the actual numbers on pregnancy rate if practiced perfectly should be far higher if more men leaked sperm, so there’s still that to be taken into account.


“Hi, meet my boys, Norm and Deviation.”

185 Kragar  Fri, May 3, 2013 11:06:00am

re: #182 Bubblehead II

OT But, Hey Kirk! You brought up 3-D printers for home use in the last thread. Have you seen this yet?

Staples starts selling 3-D printers

3-D printers have officially gone mainstream. You can now get one at Staples for $1,300.

Thinking of all the 40k stuff I could make with one of those.

186 aagcobb  Fri, May 3, 2013 11:07:41am

“’I don’t think God cares whether you get rich,’ he warned the crowd. ‘I don’t think he hopes that your business will make a huge profit. I know a lot of religious people who think God will intervene to make their investments grow. Or he’ll get them a promotion. To make their business a success.’”

If only Romney used this realization to recognize that the nation’s wealth should not be obsessively hoarded by him and his peers, but ought to be used constructively for the good of everyone.

187 GeneJockey  Fri, May 3, 2013 11:08:01am

re: #181 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts

I’m not sure I’d call 41% of the sample a “deviation from the norm”. Hell, less than 41% of the population are registered Democrats, and I don’t think we’re a ‘deviation from the norm’, though I’m sure Wingnuts would say we’re deviant!

But it is interesting that whether or not it happened was consistent for each individual, suggesting that it’s not a question of urinating beforehand, but rather due to a difference between individuals.

188 Vicious Babushka  Fri, May 3, 2013 11:08:41am

re: #186 aagcobb

“‘I don’t think God cares whether you get rich,’ he warned the crowd. ‘I don’t think he hopes that your business will make a huge profit. I know a lot of religious people who think God will intervene to make their investments grow. Or he’ll get them a promotion. To make their business a success.’”

If only Romney used this realization to recognize that the nation’s wealth should not be obsessively hoarded by him and his peers, but ought to be used constructively for the good of everyone.

He’s saying to them “Fuck you, I’ve got mine!”

189 Bubblehead II  Fri, May 3, 2013 11:08:46am

re: #185 Kragar

Thinking of all the 40k stuff I could make with one of those.

Alot easier and quicker than cutting it out of styrofaom I bet. That was you right?

190 Decatur Deb  Fri, May 3, 2013 11:08:49am

re: #185 Kragar

Thinking of all the 40k stuff I could make with one of those.

Thinking of them as a intermediate for home ‘lost-plastic’ casting of serious metal or ceramic parts.

191 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, May 3, 2013 11:09:24am

re: #188 Vicious Babushka

He’s saying to them “Fuck you, I’ve got mine!”

Actually I believe now it’s more like: “Fuck you, I’ve got mine…and most of yours too!!”

192 Lidane  Fri, May 3, 2013 11:09:34am

re: #183 Vicious Babushka

WIN

Another win:

This Is The Only Rational Thing To Do When A Hateful Jerk With A Sign Shows Up On Your Street

193 Kragar  Fri, May 3, 2013 11:10:31am

re: #189 Bubblehead II

Alot easier and quicker than cutting it out of styrofaom I bet. That was you right?

Not I. But I do a lot of mod works and could use some duplicates of small parts where I only need 2 or 3 at a time from a 60 part set.

194 klys  Fri, May 3, 2013 11:11:27am

re: #140 Lidane

Yep. If you absolutely don’t want kids, birth control pills, contraceptive injections, an IUD, or surgery > NFP or anything else.

I am paranoid enough about not wanting kids that birth control pills were out of the running - the failure rate if not done perfectly was high enough to require a second method for me to be comfortable.

What I really look forward to is better birth control on the male side of things. Right now the only non-condom option for them is surgery and that’s really not reversible.

There’s also the whole discussion about why it’s so much easier for a guy to get a vasectomy but hell for a young woman to get her tubes tied. But at least IUDs are out there now, and have a failure rate low enough that I am comfortable with it.

195 GeneJockey  Fri, May 3, 2013 11:11:57am

re: #181 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts

However, the actual numbers on pregnancy rate if practiced perfectly should be far higher if more men leaked sperm, so there’s still that to be taken into account.

Oh, but there are so many variables at work! Think how many people have difficulty conceiving when they try, plus there’s timing of a woman’s cycle, the small numbers of sperm leaked, phases of the moon, etc. It could be that the events where ‘perfectly practiced’ it still leads to pregnancy are essentially jackpot events, where everything was JUST right.

196 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Fri, May 3, 2013 11:14:46am

re: #187 GeneJockey

I’m not sure I’d call 41% of the sample a “deviation from the norm”.

I’m saying that that study acknowledges in the comments that the results are the deviation from the norm— as in, most other studies have not found similar results.

But it is interesting that whether or not it happened was consistent for each individual, suggesting that it’s not a question of urinating beforehand, but rather due to a difference between individuals.

Or that that person has consistent habits. Like I said, it may be that the structural differences are in a greater percentage of the population than I thought, but working against that idea are the other studies, and the PP and other data on pregnancies when used perfectly. If the number of men for whom it was ineffective was as high as 41%, those numbers should look very different. This may be accoutnible from the fact of the morphology of the spermatazoa in the pre-cum and their relatively smaller number, but the practical results are the same.

197 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 3, 2013 11:15:39am

And now…

198 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Fri, May 3, 2013 11:16:25am

re: #195 GeneJockey

Oh, but there are so many variables at work! Think how many people have difficulty conceiving when they try, plus there’s timing of a woman’s cycle, the small numbers of sperm leaked, phases of the moon, etc. It could be that the events where ‘perfectly practiced’ it still leads to pregnancy are essentially jackpot events, where everything was JUST right.

Those variables are consistent across contraception types, though, so I’m failing to see the relevance of them being many.

199 Bubblehead II  Fri, May 3, 2013 11:16:44am

re: #197 Charles Johnson

Newt loose his day job?

200 Lidane  Fri, May 3, 2013 11:16:54am

Heh:

201 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Fri, May 3, 2013 11:17:01am

re: #197 Charles Johnson

… is he actually a McDonald’s spokesperson now, or just does he just love that dollar dollar menu?

202 stabby  Fri, May 3, 2013 11:17:06am

re: #197 Charles Johnson

Is he also advertizing wholesale jewlery? For when you need a truckload of earrings!

203 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, May 3, 2013 11:17:38am

re: #197 Charles Johnson

And now…

Yea, I think “Newt Gingrich” right off when I think of dietary, sexual, or financial restraint and economy.
:p

204 Lidane  Fri, May 3, 2013 11:18:48am

This is awesome:

Also:

205 Decatur Deb  Fri, May 3, 2013 11:19:18am

re: #201 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts

… is he actually a McDonald’s spokesperson now, or just does he just love that dollar dollar menu?

I’d rather he guide food choices than national policy.

(And yes, the wrap is decent for on-the-road nutrition.)

206 Stanghazi  Fri, May 3, 2013 11:20:24am

re: #151 Charles Johnson

Hmm. It’s possible that this isn’t a spammer, but if so it would be the first person from Nigeria who ever registered at LGF who wasn’t a spammer.

Keeping an eye on him.

littlegreenfootballs.com

I welcome our Nigerian brothers!!

207 klys  Fri, May 3, 2013 11:21:22am

It’s not that graduation speeches are typically all that fantastic to start with, but this one is pretty damn bad, I gotta say.

Deciding whether or not to have children - and when - is a personal decision best left to the couple in question. Also, he may believe that having children is the most fulfilling thing he’s ever done - and it may very well be true - but that doesn’t mean that’s the case for everyone else.

Some of us want to lead productive and fulfilling lives without children.

208 Decatur Deb  Fri, May 3, 2013 11:21:45am

re: #206 Stanley Sea

I welcome our Nigerian brothers!!

Perhaps he can help me move some money to a bank in Lagos.

209 Skip Intro  Fri, May 3, 2013 11:21:49am

re: #204 Lidane

210 ProTARDISLiberal  Fri, May 3, 2013 11:22:41am

That speech really does tick me off. Romney doesn’t see women as anything but cattle.

211 Varek Raith  Fri, May 3, 2013 11:22:43am

Fuckface Von Nervestick.
XD

212 stabby  Fri, May 3, 2013 11:23:18am

Note this started with Jon Stewart saying “Did you know that Donald Trump’s birth name was Fuckface von Clownstick” on the Daily Show

213 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, May 3, 2013 11:23:36am

re: #210 ProBosniaLiberal

That speech really does tick me off. Romney doesn’t see women as anything but cattle.

More likely he is just trying to help hedge his investment in baby futures.
/

214 ProTARDISLiberal  Fri, May 3, 2013 11:24:53am

Also, worrying news from the UK. While Labor did perform well, the UKIP got about a quarter of the vote.

215 Decatur Deb  Fri, May 3, 2013 11:25:55am

re: #212 stabby

Note this started with Jon Stewart saying “Did you know that Donald Trump’s birth name was Fuckface von Clownstick” on the Daily Show

Was that before Trump tweeted what he thinks is Stewart’s Jewish name?

216 Kragar  Fri, May 3, 2013 11:26:37am

re: #212 stabby

Note this started with Jon Stewart saying “Did you know that Donald Trump’s birth name was Fuckface von Clownstick” on the Daily Show

It would be irresponisble not to ask if his real name was Fuckface von Clownstick.

217 klys  Fri, May 3, 2013 11:26:45am

re: #215 Decatur Deb

Was that before Trump tweeted what he thinks is Stewart’s Jewish name?

I’m pretty sure the tweet by Trump came first, in reviewing my mental timeline.

218 stabby  Fri, May 3, 2013 11:27:00am

re: #215 Decatur Deb

idk also what did he say that was?

219 kirkspencer  Fri, May 3, 2013 11:27:57am

re: #182 Bubblehead II

OT But, Hey Kirk! You brought up 3-D printers for home use in the last thread. Have you seen this yet?

Staples starts selling 3-D printers

3-D printers have officially gone mainstream. You can now get one at Staples for $1,300.

Yes I had. The cube’s a great intro for 3d printing. Its downsides are single filament and only a 5.5” cube printing area.

re: #185 Kragar

If you can afford it, go ahead and buy a CubeX. It’ll run you two to three times as much. The big differences are:
1) size. The volume is larger - enough to print a full scale model of a professional basketball, with a little room to spare.
2) color [option]. The cubex can have three print heads each with its own cartridge which in turn means you can make a three-color object.
3) material. Right now the cube is ABS only. The Cubex will do ABS and PLA. btw you can also do multimaterial.

Both allow you to feed the sliced file over a wireless connection, wired connection, or off a USB stick.

220 Kragar  Fri, May 3, 2013 11:29:30am

re: #219 kirkspencer

Yes I had. The cube’s a great intro for 3d printing. Its downsides are single filament and only a 5.5” cube printing area.

re: #185 Kragar

If you can afford it, go ahead and buy a CubeX. It’ll run you two to three times as much. The big differences are:
1) size. The volume is larger - enough to print a full scale model of a professional basketball, with a little room to spare.
2) color [option]. The cubex can have three print heads each with its own cartridge which in turn means you can make a three-color object.
3) material. Right now the cube is ABS only. The Cubex will do ABS and PLA. btw you can also do multimaterial.

Both allow you to feed the sliced file over a wireless connection, wired connection, or off a USB stick.

I’m not looking at getting one anytime soon, maybe in a few years.

221 Decatur Deb  Fri, May 3, 2013 11:29:38am

re: #218 stabby

idk also what did he say that was?

huffingtonpost.com

222 klys  Fri, May 3, 2013 11:30:03am

re: #217 klys

I’m pretty sure the tweet by Trump came first, in reviewing my mental timeline.

I’m linking this page out of laziness, but it has the tweet embedded: here.

The text of the tweet:

I promise you that I’m much smarter than Jonathan Leibowitz - I mean Jon Stewart @TheDailyShow. Who, by the way, is totally overrated.

223 stabby  Fri, May 3, 2013 11:31:46am

re: #222 klys

awesome!

224 ProTARDISLiberal  Fri, May 3, 2013 11:32:02am

re: #222 klys

Wow, does Trump have an ego.

Considering the absolute failure Trump has been as a businessman, he should keep quiet.

225 klys  Fri, May 3, 2013 11:32:17am

re: #223 stabby

That was on April 24th, so well before the Daily Show segment.

226 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, May 3, 2013 11:32:30am

re: #199 Bubblehead II

Newt loose his day job?

I was just reading about how much his campaign still owes, I assume he is just working to pay it off, better than standing at a window and asking if you want fries with that…

227 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Fri, May 3, 2013 11:33:56am

re: #204 Lidane

This is awesome:

Tweets rarely make me laugh out loud, but that second one did.

228 Vicious Babushka  Fri, May 3, 2013 11:36:56am

re: #224 ProBosniaLiberal

Wow, does Trump have an ego.

Considering the absolute failure Trump has been as a businessman, he should keep quiet.


229 ProTARDISLiberal  Fri, May 3, 2013 11:38:28am

re: #228 Vicious Babushka

The only loser here is the guy who has decared bankruptcy 4 times.

230 Kragar  Fri, May 3, 2013 11:38:36am

re: #228 Vicious Babushka

Stage names, how do they work?
/

231 Vicious Babushka  Fri, May 3, 2013 11:39:00am
232 stabby  Fri, May 3, 2013 11:39:53am

Like Michelle Bachmann I an agast that some people were enthusiastic about Trump running for President.

He’s your creepy bigotted uncle that you wish wouldn’t come to thanksgiving.

233 klys  Fri, May 3, 2013 11:39:58am

So does anyone actually take Donald Trump seriously? I’m asking this out of geniune curiosity, since to me he’s devolved into performance art.

234 Vicious Babushka  Fri, May 3, 2013 11:40:14am
235 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, May 3, 2013 11:41:56am
236 kirkspencer  Fri, May 3, 2013 11:42:15am

re: #220 Kragar

I’m not looking at getting one anytime soon, maybe in a few years.

So you say, but … OK, setting aside copyright for a moment, consider this: I can make custom bases for 40K/WHFB figures for 5 to 10 cents apiece for the smalls. I pay $4.50 for ten by list. Depending on how much I do, at some point it pays off just in hobby work.

copyright - bases aren’t copyrightable. Well, they are and they aren’t and it’s ugly. If you scan and print GW’s figures you are breaking copyright. But the terrain - trees, walls, buildings, grounds, and all that - is probably not going to hit copyright.

And if you want real fun build hex-tiles. Dunno if you played with them but you can make some great ones with a printer for a crapload less than you pay. The interlock keys are easy. It adds up, and so though I push the cubex I’ll say the serious gamer should look hard at the cube just for the ancillary savings.

237 stabby  Fri, May 3, 2013 11:43:17am

re: #234 Vicious Babushka

The word “Freedom” is getting so tarnished these days.

Freedomworks…

When you ask these people to explain how Obama has oppressed them, they start talking about the rule preventing employers from meddling in whether employees get birth control.. Ie “freedom” = “denying your employees any privacy and digging into their sex lives”

Is sexual harrassment and blackmail the next Republican “freedom”?

238 Bubblehead II  Fri, May 3, 2013 11:44:34am

re: #226 Sol Berdinowitz

I was just reading about how much his campaign still owes, I assume he is just working to pay it off, better than standing at a window and asking if you want fries with that…

Just Googled it. About $4.7 million as of last Febuary. Going to have to pick up his twitter posts if he wants to get that paid off anytime soon.

239 GeneJockey  Fri, May 3, 2013 11:45:12am

re: #198 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts

Those variables are consistent across contraception types, though, so I’m failing to see the relevance of them being many.

Because for the most part they work against conception. First, it’s only 40% of this small sample that are positive, so the numbers in the population as a whole might be smaller. Second, the ones that were positive were not very positive, i.e. the numbers were very low, even when present. Third, not all the positives contained healthy, motile sperm. Fourth, the volume of preejaculate is generally less than ejaculate. The study points out that the number of sperm found even in the samples with the highest sperm count would be considered barely fertile if that were for ejaculate, and associated with less than a 2.5% chance of pregnancy within a year of trying.

Although our pre-ejaculatory samples often contained sperm with equivalent concentration and motility to what would be regarded as fertile in ejaculatory samples, the actual number of sperm in the pre-ejaculates was very low. We are unable to say how this finding might translate into the chances of pregnancy if these samples of pre-ejaculate were deposited in the vagina except that the chances would not be zero. All but one of our pre-ejaculatory samples contained fewer than 23 million sperm, and values as low as this were seen in ejaculatory samples of less than 2.5% of men whose partners conceived in less than 1 year

So, you have a fraction of a fraction of the population, producing small volumes of fluid with very low numbers of sperm.

Okay, then consider what percentage of the population practices coitus interruptus as their sole contraception - a small percentage. Consider what percentage of those do it consistently correct. Consider what percentage of those are having intercourse on a regular basis.

You’re looking at fractions of fractions of fractions of fractions, and all with low probability.

240 Vicious Babushka  Fri, May 3, 2013 11:45:22am

re: #238 Bubblehead II

Just Googled it. About $4.7 million as of last Febuary. Going to have to pick up his twitter posts if he wants to get that paid off anytime soon.

What happened to all the money he got from Sheldon Adelson?

241 stabby  Fri, May 3, 2013 11:45:48am

re: #235 NJDhockeyfan

So majestic!

Youtube Video
242 Kragar  Fri, May 3, 2013 11:46:11am

re: #236 kirkspencer

So you say, but … OK, setting aside copyright for a moment, consider this: I can make custom bases for 40K/WHFB figures for 5 to 10 cents apiece for the smalls. I pay $4.50 for ten by list. Depending on how much I do, at some point it pays off just in hobby work.

copyright - bases aren’t copyrightable. Well, they are and they aren’t and it’s ugly. If you scan and print GW’s figures you are breaking copyright. But the terrain - trees, walls, buildings, grounds, and all that - is probably not going to hit copyright.

And if you want real fun build hex-tiles. Dunno if you played with them but you can make some great ones with a printer for a crapload less than you pay. The interlock keys are easy. It adds up, and so though I push the cubex I’ll say the serious gamer should look hard at the cube just for the ancillary savings.

I do modded weapons, some sculpting of heads, back packs, wargear accessories, usually cobbled together from a variety of sources. It would be nice to be able to custom build the occasional arm, head or other miscellanous equipment rather than dig thru my spare parts and hope I can find the right bit to beat into submission.

243 Kragar  Fri, May 3, 2013 11:47:47am

The best part about Fuckface VonClownsticks meltdown is that if he had laughed it off and ignored it, it would have been forgotten in a day or two. Its his own damn fault people are going with it.

244 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, May 3, 2013 11:48:32am

re: #243 Kragar

Yep. Which means it got under his skin, big time.

245 GeneJockey  Fri, May 3, 2013 11:48:47am

re: #243 Kragar

No such thing as bad publicity, eh? We’ll just see about that!

246 stabby  Fri, May 3, 2013 11:50:01am

re: #244 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

What an idiot.

They guy ruined his reputation with birtherism. He should know better than to bring up “birthnames” let alone go after someone as incentivized to hit back as a comedian.

247 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, May 3, 2013 11:52:16am

re: #246 stabby

Ummm…that’s saying he had much of a reputation to begin with. And there’s nothing like having a 2 time divorcee as the guest of honor at a Ralph Reed event lol.

248 Vicious Babushka  Fri, May 3, 2013 11:52:31am

re: #244 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Yep. Which means it got under his skin, big time.

He also gets really pissed when anyone makes fun of his hair.

249 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, May 3, 2013 11:53:29am

Forget the sequester, Cantor will hold a vote to repeal Obamacare!

250 Vicious Babushka  Fri, May 3, 2013 11:53:31am
251 lawhawk  Fri, May 3, 2013 11:53:31am

Donald Trump, whose real estate business he inherited from his dad (who at the time specialized in building affordable housing for the middle class across NYC). Trump decided to go big and gaudy and splash his name across everything he touched.

That includes casinos and airlines. Both of those particular ventures ended in bankruptcy (the casinos multiple times). He disproves the adage that the house always wins in gambling - because he lost - multiple times. More specifically, his creditors lost because he didn’t lose personally.

How he’s managed to parlay that business failure into a tv show and other ventures is where he excels. He’s a huckster and the only brand he cares about his is own name. Doesn’t use his own money in any ventures and when his ideas fail, it’s not on him. It’s on someone else.

252 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, May 3, 2013 11:53:53am

re: #246 stabby

What an idiot.

They guy ruined his reputation with birtherism. He should know better than to bring up “birthnames” let alone go after someone as incentivized to hit back as a comedian.

253 lawhawk  Fri, May 3, 2013 11:53:57am
254 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 3, 2013 11:54:33am
255 lawhawk  Fri, May 3, 2013 11:55:24am

re: #254 Charles Johnson

Forget Trump’s birth certificate. I want to see the birth certificate for his hair. /

256 GeneJockey  Fri, May 3, 2013 11:55:38am

re: #246 stabby

What an idiot.

They guy ruined his reputation with birtherism. He should know better than to bring up “birthnames” let alone go after someone as incentivized to hit back as a comedian.

I bet he’s rude to waiters and other folks who handle his food, too.

257 Vicious Babushka  Fri, May 3, 2013 11:56:06am
258 kirkspencer  Fri, May 3, 2013 11:58:05am

re: #242 Kragar

I do modded weapons, some sculpting of heads, back packs, wargear accessories, usually cobbled together from a variety of sources. It would be nice to be able to custom build the occasional arm, head or other miscellanous equipment rather than dig thru my spare parts and hope I can find the right bit to beat into submission.

Depending on how tightly you carve, the cube and cubex might not do what you need. My personal test is chain mail on fantasy figs, and it’s close but not quite there for my taste. Actually taking a moment to think, recall how less sharp GW’s resins were about five or ten years ago when compared to their metals? The cube will do a little better than that, but I’m not sure it’ll meet the current standard.

One of the areas I want to get us selling is to game shops, selling the more expensive machines. Then customers come in with files and print their custom touches - arms, heads, miscellaneous equipment - to the appropriate level of quality. The customer pays a lot less, the store doesn’t have to maintain shelf space of thousands of variants, and it should pay off if the store is busy enough. That last is my personal sticking place, though.

259 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, May 3, 2013 11:58:55am

LOL

260 engineer cat  Fri, May 3, 2013 11:59:13am

Romney To Get Pregnant And Raise Two Children As Single Mother To Promote ‘QuiverFull’ Initiative

20 year plus committment aims to test controversial theory that gop policies are not moronic ideas only believed by morons

261 stabby  Fri, May 3, 2013 12:00:02pm

re: #249 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Youtube Video
262 Bubblehead II  Fri, May 3, 2013 12:00:03pm

re: #240 Vicious Babushka

What happened to all the money he got from Sheldon Adelson?

From what I can find, the large majority of his donations went to assorted non-profits and super pacs. Iirc, as an idividual, if he donated directly to Newt, he was limited to $2,600.

263 Vicious Babushka  Fri, May 3, 2013 12:01:13pm

re: #262 Bubblehead II

From what I can find, the large majority of his donations went to assorted non-profits and super pacs. Iirc, as an idividual, if he donated directly to Newt, he was limited to $2,600.

He claimed to have spent $100 million on the election.

264 Dr Lizardo  Fri, May 3, 2013 12:01:49pm

re: #259 NJDhockeyfan

LOL

LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!

265 engineer cat  Fri, May 3, 2013 12:02:45pm

Fuckface VonClownstick

never get into a fight with people who buy ink by the barrel make fun of celebrities on tv for a living

266 Feline Overlord  Fri, May 3, 2013 12:02:46pm

re: #230 Kragar

Stage names, how do they work?
/

Trump’s grandfathers birth name is Friedrich Drumpf, so “Trump” is, in effect, a stage name.

267 GeneJockey  Fri, May 3, 2013 12:05:03pm

re: #181 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts

I missed this part:

At any rate, I did speak too broadly, and more studies would be a good thing.

So did I, it seems. We both had reason to believe we were correct.

That study you linked also seems to simply assume that the men had urinated between their last ejaculation and their visit to the clinic, which strikes me as an odd thing to assume.

In the tables, they list “days of abstinence”, which are generally > 0, so it wasn’t an assumption, but rather an observation.

268 Vicious Babushka  Fri, May 3, 2013 12:06:52pm

DUMBASS FALLS FOR URBAN LEGEND


Chinese language expert says its bullshit
pinyin.info

269 lawhawk  Fri, May 3, 2013 12:06:54pm

re: #262 Bubblehead II

Sheldon Adelson funneled most of the money through PACs. A bit more than $92 million in fact. He also submitted $352k directly to candidates or campaigns.

270 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, May 3, 2013 12:07:01pm

re: #266 Feline Overlord

Trump’s grandfathers birth name is Friedrich Drumpf, so “Trump” is, in effect, a stage name.

Friedrich Drumpf Von Clownstick?

271 jaunte  Fri, May 3, 2013 12:08:00pm

It may be a bit early, but I sorta feel like a drink.
Image: FvC-vodka.jpg

272 Bubblehead II  Fri, May 3, 2013 12:08:07pm

re: #263 Vicious Babushka

He claimed to have spent $100 million on the election.

Closer to $150 million.

Sheldon Adelson Spent Far More On Campaign Than Previously Known

Huffpo piece from last December.

273 Kragar  Fri, May 3, 2013 12:08:30pm

re: #270 NJDhockeyfan

Friedrich Drumpf Von Clownstick?

I’m totally picturing the Monopoly Guy right now.

274 Vicious Babushka  Fri, May 3, 2013 12:08:57pm

re: #272 Bubblehead II

Closer to $150 million.

Sheldon Adelson Spent Far More On Campaign Than Previously Known

Huffpo piece from last December.

Spending it all on losers: PRICELESS

275 stabby  Fri, May 3, 2013 12:09:51pm

re: #269 lawhawk

I suspect that the Republicans ran into that brick wall largely because it never occured to them that they could spend a lot more money and still lose. They probably figured “money ALWAYS wins, and we have some racist billionaires in our back pocket so NOW IS THE TIME TO BRING BACK RACISM”

Heh, they can’t live it down now.

276 Lidane  Fri, May 3, 2013 12:10:20pm
277 leftynyc  Fri, May 3, 2013 12:11:27pm

re: #204 Lidane

This is awesome:

It’s going to be a long 3 months without Jon at the Daily Show. Although I do like Jon Oliver.

278 S'latch  Fri, May 3, 2013 12:11:30pm

It is obscene to hear a person whose net worth is reported to be $250 million dollars telling someone that “life on this earth is about learning to live in a place where God does not make everything work out for good people.”

Mitt Romney is an asshole.

279 GeneJockey  Fri, May 3, 2013 12:11:52pm

re: #276 Lidane

Color me unsurprised.

280 Bulworth  Fri, May 3, 2013 12:11:58pm

re: #257 Vicious Babushka

A question I’ve been meaning to ask: If background checks at gun shows are a form of 2nd Amendment-overturning Dictatorship, why do background checks at regular gun stores exist?

281 Kragar  Fri, May 3, 2013 12:12:39pm

Congressmen Scalise and Gohmert Fall for Debunked Fox News Story on Supposed Plan to Court Martial Christians

it came as no surprise to learn that a new Starnes column about the military getting ready to court martial Christians, since picked up by organizations like the Family Research Council, was also completely groundless.

Starnes contends that Obama administration officials are working with church-state separation activists to begin kicking Christians out of the military and cracking down on their religious freedom.

As Warren Throckmorton points out, the Defense Department guidelines on proselytizing and religious bias that has so enraged Starnes and others was actually put in place in 2008 during the Bush administration and the language clearly “draws a distinction between simply speaking about one’s faith and coercion.” Throckmorton also notes that Starnes twisted a statement from a Pentagon spokesman “to make it seem as though the outcome of religious proselytizing cases would be court martial.”

The Tennessean and Stars and Stripes have also debunked the story, but don’t tell Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-TX), who in an interview with Starnes said that Obama is trying to make Christian service members leave their faith:

“Under President Obama’s military you are no longer allowed to share your faith,” he said – noting that the policy is putting Christians in a tough position. “Do you follow President Obama or do you follow God and the teachings of Jesus?”

“That’s pretty tough when your commander in chief puts you on the horn for that dilemma,” he added.

Rep. Steve Scalise (R-LA) similarly told Tony Perkins on Washington Watch earlier this week called the story “yet another attack on religious liberty that we’ve seen from the Obama administration.”

282 stabby  Fri, May 3, 2013 12:12:58pm

re: #278 S’latch

I’ll get dinged but it’s true. Being an asshole is the essence of being a bishop.

283 wrenchwench  Fri, May 3, 2013 12:13:00pm

Doesn’t apply to me, but it sure sounds good.

284 Bubblehead II  Fri, May 3, 2013 12:16:01pm

re: #274 Vicious Babushka

Spending it all on losers: PRICELESS

Yes, it is.

285 leftynyc  Fri, May 3, 2013 12:16:01pm

re: #256 GeneJockey

I bet he’s rude to waiters and other folks who handle his food, too.

I never understood the stupidity of people who are mean to waiters or anyone else that handles their food.

286 lawhawk  Fri, May 3, 2013 12:17:26pm

re: #280 Bulworth

According to NRA-lore and retconning, it’s because they were conned into accepting that background checks were acceptable and constitutional. They’ve since gone on to believe that any and all restrictions, including background checks are unconstitutional - or not worth the paper they’re written on because people violate the law and/or isn’t enforced by local, state, or federal jurisdictions.

As I never get tired of pointing out, in May 1999, Wayne LaPierre testified before Congress on the NRA support of universal background checks.

And nobody is more committed than we are to keeping guns out of criminals ‘hands. That’s obviously in our best interest. It’s just whether you believe you ‘re more likely to keep guns and criminals apart with new laws you write and ignore, or with existing laws you enforce.

Some think our insistence on enforcement is unreasonable. Others say we oppose reasonable restrictions on gun ownership. So let’s talk about what’s reasonable and what’s not.

We think it ‘s reasonable to provide mandatory instant criminal background checks for every sale at every gun show. No loopholes anywhere for anyone.

That means closing the Hinckley loophole so the records of those adjudicated mental ill are in the system.

This isn ‘t new, or a change of position, or a concession. I’ve been on record on this point consistently, from our national meeting in Denver, to paid national ads and position papers, to news interviews and press appearances. But I ‘ve repeatedly emphasized that this Administration must stop illegally keeping records of lawful gun buyers.

In fact, it ‘s the media ‘s well-kept secret that the NRA was an early architect and supporter of the National Instant Check System now in place. Congressman McCollum knows we worked with him on instant checks more than a decade ago.

It’s a fact that the NRA now opposes everything that they once stood for.

They oppose universal checks. Their position on records was taken into account when the NICS system was established - and the background check bill that they helped kill included further restrictions on recordkeeping by the government.

287 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Fri, May 3, 2013 12:17:46pm

re: #239 GeneJockey

Because for the most part they work against conception. First, it’s only 40% of this small sample that are positive, so the numbers in the population as a whole might be smaller. Second, the ones that were positive were not very positive, i.e. the numbers were very low, even when present. Third, not all the positives contained healthy, motile sperm. Fourth, the volume of preejaculate is generally less than ejaculate. The study points out that the number of sperm found even in the samples with the highest sperm count would be considered barely fertile if that were for ejaculate, and associated with less than a 2.5% chance of pregnancy within a year of trying.

So, you have a fraction of a fraction of the population, producing small volumes of fluid with very low numbers of sperm.

Okay, then consider what percentage of the population practices coitus interruptus as their sole contraception - a small percentage. Consider what percentage of those do it consistently correct. Consider what percentage of those are having intercourse on a regular basis.

You’re looking at fractions of fractions of fractions of fractions, and all with low probability.

I’m sorry, but we’re comparing rations, not sheer numbers. So how much of a fraction is doesn’t matter, unless you’re saying it’s so low that it’s statistically meaningless.

And the first section would definitely be an adequate description, but it would tend to back up the idea that coitus interruptus, if used perfectly, is a good form of birth control.

288 Lidane  Fri, May 3, 2013 12:18:02pm

re: #285 leftynyc

I never understood the stupidity of people who are mean to waiters or anyone else that handles their food.

They’ve never worked a service job.

Anyone who’s ever worked in a bar or restaurant knows that the hours are long, the pay is shit, and people are douchebags. That’s why I try to be cool to bartenders, baristas, and waitstaff. Tips or not, it’s a lot of stress.

289 kirkspencer  Fri, May 3, 2013 12:18:17pm

re: #281 Kragar

Congressmen Scalise and Gohmert Fall for Debunked Fox News Story on Supposed Plan to Court Martial Christians

If you’ve taken more than one oath, sooner or later the two will come into conflict. Gohmert seems to not understand this, that it’s inevitable for the practicing Christian American soldier. Instead he seems to think the oath for being a soldier is the same as the one for being a Christian. That, or it doesn’t really matter because taqiyaa (or whatever the Christian version might be).

290 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Fri, May 3, 2013 12:18:34pm

Does Glenn Beck think the suicide at Bush International Airport in Houston was a

LIBERAL FALSE FLAG!!?

Let’s find out:

“The idea that this is happening at the airport with the NRA is too much to believe,” Beck told a studio audience in Houston. “If I were a journalist — let me correct that — if I were an honest journalist, I would be looking for these connections. Look for the connections of who this man is and any connection he might have to the uber-Left.”

291 GeneJockey  Fri, May 3, 2013 12:19:15pm

re: #285 leftynyc

Right. In my family, we call the consequences of rudeness to people in service positions who have power over you “Paying The Asshole Tax”. It can be what happens when you harangue the guy who calls to tell you your car will take a little longer to fix, or when you aren’t friendly to the folks at the Post Office or the DMV, or you’re a jerk to a waiter.

292 Kragar  Fri, May 3, 2013 12:19:28pm

re: #285 leftynyc

I never understood the stupidity of people who are mean to waiters or anyone else that handles their food.

“Clean food, please.”
“In that case, sir, may I advise against the lady eating clam chowder?”
“No clam chowder, thank you.”

293 Vicious Babushka  Fri, May 3, 2013 12:19:39pm

Here is Fuckface Von Clownstick II

294 kirkspencer  Fri, May 3, 2013 12:20:14pm

re: #288 Lidane

They’ve never worked a service job.

Anyone who’s ever worked in a bar or restaurant knows that the hours are long, the pay is shit, and people are douchebags. That’s why I try to be cool to bartenders, baristas, and waitstaff. Tips or not, it’s a lot of stress.

Sadly, untrue. I have known people who used to be waiters or bartenders who treat their waitstaff as, well, as they used to hate being treated.

Sorta the hazing justification mentality: it’s part of the job, suck it up and it’ll make you stronger in the end. That and, “Now it’s my turn.” all mixed together.

296 Kragar  Fri, May 3, 2013 12:21:21pm

re: #293 Vicious Babushka

Here is Fuckface Von Clownstick II

Nah, Bryan is Douchebag VonShitstain

297 leftynyc  Fri, May 3, 2013 12:21:22pm

re: #288 Lidane

They’ve never worked a service job.

Anyone who’s ever worked in a bar or restaurant knows that the hours are long, the pay is shit, and people are douchebags. That’s why I try to be cool to bartenders, baristas, and waitstaff. Tips or not, it’s a lot of stress.

I wasn’t even thinking about that part of it - just about what they could do with the food before it reaches the table. My parents tought me to be nice to people unless they give you reason not to be. It’s a lesson that has worked well for 52 years.

298 Bulworth  Fri, May 3, 2013 12:24:21pm

re: #293 Vicious Babushka

OK, Bryan, but where’s the Saudi National in all of this?

299 Kragar  Fri, May 3, 2013 12:24:30pm

Afternoon music break:

Youtube Video
300 Kragar  Fri, May 3, 2013 12:24:52pm

re: #298 Bulworth

OK, Bryan, but where’s the Saudi National in all of this?

In the White House!!!

301 GeneJockey  Fri, May 3, 2013 12:26:44pm

re: #287 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts

Small samples of small percentages with low probability, of which a small percentage have produce a small number with low viability, in a situation where even larger numbers with higher viability often fail for significant lengths of time. You slice it fine enough, yes, it becomes statistically meaningless.

Let us part in peace, having sliced and diced this topic to death. I’ll leave you with this thought - it’s probably a good method of birth control, except for those for whom it’s a lousy method of birth control, and you won’t know which group you’re in, till it fails.

Cheers!

302 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, May 3, 2013 12:26:58pm
303 lawhawk  Fri, May 3, 2013 12:27:10pm
304 Lidane  Fri, May 3, 2013 12:32:26pm

re: #302 NJDhockeyfan

They’re probably better off burying him at sea at this point. I’d imagine that any grave anywhere would be vandalized and a constant target by others.

305 Bubblehead II  Fri, May 3, 2013 12:33:21pm

Updated info on the Houston shooting incident.

HPD: Airport shooter Marcus Moore tried to kidnap woman he was infatuated with

306 DisturbedEma  Fri, May 3, 2013 12:36:04pm

re: #228 Vicious Babushka

Whoa! What the fuck is this guy up to? This smacks me as offensive as hell-my kid’s friends all know they’re Jewish- hell they’re the only Jews in School…why is he acting like Jon Stewart is HIDING his Jewishness?

Waiting for Fuckstain to “reveal” Jon’s bris pictures and Bar Mitzvah pics…outting him as what he has not, to my knowledge, ever denied being…

307 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, May 3, 2013 12:36:41pm

re: #305 Bubblehead II

Updated info on the Houston shooting incident.

HPD: Airport shooter Marcus Moore tried to kidnap woman he was infatuated with

It was totally a setup!

/ Glenn beck

308 DisturbedEma  Fri, May 3, 2013 12:37:43pm

re: #294 kirkspencer

“Ya gotta pay yer dues like I did”

309 DisturbedEma  Fri, May 3, 2013 12:38:40pm

re: #307 Eclectic Cyborg

Cue the crying fit…Glenn loves him a good cry

310 leftynyc  Fri, May 3, 2013 12:38:50pm

re: #306 DisturbedEma

Whoa! What the fuck is this guy up to? This smacks me as offensive as hell-my kid’s friends all know they’re Jewish- hell they’re the only Jews in School…why is he acting like Jon Stewart is HIDING his Jewishness?

Waiting for Fuckstain to “reveal” Jon’s bris pictures and Bar Mitzvah pics…outting him as what he has not, to my knowledge, ever denied being…

I don’t understand what trump is trying to get at. I’ve been watching Jon for over a decade and he always mentions the Jewish holidays, uses Yiddish. Has anyone here ever gotten the feeling he’s trying to hide that he’s Jewish?

311 DisturbedEma  Fri, May 3, 2013 12:40:41pm

re: #310 leftynyc

This is coming from the birther region of Trump’s brain…the dead zone

312 sagehen  Fri, May 3, 2013 12:43:35pm

re: #302 NJDhockeyfan

Send him back to his parents, have him buried in Chechnya or Kyrgystan or whichever they call home.

313 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, May 3, 2013 12:45:09pm

re: #312 sagehen

Send him back to his parents, have him buried in Chechnya or Kyrgystan or whichever they call home.

I think they said they don’t want him. He’s a body with no place to go.

314 DisturbedEma  Fri, May 3, 2013 12:48:54pm

re: #313 NJDhockeyfan

So a funeral home has him, but no place to deposit him?

315 kirkspencer  Fri, May 3, 2013 12:52:11pm

re: #314 DisturbedEma

So a funeral home has him, but no place to deposit him?

No deposit, no return.

(sorry, couldn’t resist.)

316 Kragar  Fri, May 3, 2013 12:52:16pm

House GOP Eyes Another Obamacare Repeal Vote ‘Soon’

House Republicans plan to hold another vote to fully repeal Obamacare — their first since the 2012 election. Like the previous three-dozen votes in 2011 and 2012, it would be dead on arrival in the Democratic-led Senate.

317 Lidane  Fri, May 3, 2013 12:52:45pm

re: #316 Kragar

House GOP Eyes Another Obamacare Repeal Vote ‘Soon’

Laser-like focus, etc.

318 DisturbedEma  Fri, May 3, 2013 12:52:59pm

re: #315 kirkspencer

I wouldn’t have been able to either ;)

319 The Mountain That Blogs  Fri, May 3, 2013 12:53:08pm

re: #316 Kragar

Oh, good. I was getting worried that they hadn’t done this in the past week.

320 GeneJockey  Fri, May 3, 2013 12:54:07pm

re: #317 Lidane

Our top story tonight - Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead.

321 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, May 3, 2013 12:54:28pm

re: #311 DisturbedEma

This is coming from the birther region of Trump’s brain…the dead zone

Given how von Clownstick talks and Tweets about “the blacks,” I think this latest outburst comes from an overactive “privileged white guy is actually really fucking racist” lobe.

322 Lidane  Fri, May 3, 2013 12:55:12pm

re: #313 NJDhockeyfan

I think they said they don’t want him. He’s a body with no place to go.

Cremation or burial at sea.

323 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, May 3, 2013 12:57:41pm

re: #314 DisturbedEma

So a funeral home has him, but no place to deposit him?

Here’s the latest…

Tamerlan Tsarnaev’s body is in Worcester funeral home where services are being planned

The owner of the Worcester funeral home where the body of Boston Marathon bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev is now being held said he was not making a statement about the alleged crimes of Tsarnaev and his younger brother, Dzhokhar.

“I’m not honoring a terrorist. I’m just burying a body,” Peter Stefan, owner of Graham Putnam & Mahoney Funeral Parlors, told the Telegram & Gazette today.

Stefan was quoted by the newspaper as saying that he believes that everyone should be treated with dignity after their death. He said he is prepared to face protests.

“Don’t do it? OK, what do you suggest I do? What would you do?” Stefan told the Telegram.

According to Stefan, Tamerlan Tsarnaev’s uncle, Ruslan Tsarni of Maryland, arrived at the Worcester funeral home Thursday to work with Stefan on funeral plans that have not been finalized, in part, because no cemetery has so far said it was willing to accept the remains of Tamerlan Tsarnaev.

324 Kragar  Fri, May 3, 2013 12:58:30pm

Iraq still using James McCormick’s fake bomb detectors at checkpoints

A policeman in Baghdad knows the bomb detector he uses is fake, and will do virtually nothing to save anyone’s life, but he has his orders.

“If I were given a mop and told that it detects bombs in cars, I would still do it without any hesitation,” he told AFP, asking not to be identified.

“The device is a 100-percent failure and we know that, but it is imposed on us; we cannot disobey direct orders,” he added.

James McCormick, a British businessman, made an estimated £50 million ($76 million/59 million euros) selling the “bomb detectors, ” based on a novelty golf ball finder, to Iraq and other countries. He was sentenced on Thursday to 10 years in jail for fraud.

But despite the sentencing and overwhelming evidence that the devices are worthless, the Iraqi government has not taken them out of circulation.

325 darthstar  Fri, May 3, 2013 1:12:47pm

Oh, Mitt…

326 engineer cat  Fri, May 3, 2013 1:13:39pm

trump’s father

Trump was born in Woodhaven, New York to immigrants, Friedrich Drumpf (March 14, 1869 – March 30, 1918) and Elisabeth Christ (October 10, 1880 – June 6, 1966), who were married in 1902 at Kallstadt, Rheinland-Pfalz.[1] Drumpf emigrated to the United States in 1885 and became a naturalized US citizen in 1892. Calling himself “Frederick Trump”, Trump began his career running the Arctic Restaurant and Hotel in Bennett, British Columbia, during the Klondike Gold Rush. After the turn of the century the restaurant was sold and he returned to Germany. After marriage he migrated again, settling down in Queens, New York City, New York.

327 darthstar  Fri, May 3, 2013 1:16:15pm

re: #326 engineer cat

Grumpf Tower has a nice ring to it.

328 DisturbedEma  Fri, May 3, 2013 1:19:54pm

re: #326 engineer cat

Embrace your Grumpf Identity!!!!!

329 DisturbedEma  Fri, May 3, 2013 1:20:17pm

re: #327 darthstar

Forrest Grumpf???

330 darthstar  Fri, May 3, 2013 1:21:02pm

re: #329 DisturbedEma

Forrest Grumpf???

Life is like a quiver full of children. You don’t know which one will make the national news or how you can avoid it.

331 engineer cat  Fri, May 3, 2013 1:31:34pm

why does drumpf try to hide his german roots?

332 darthstar  Fri, May 3, 2013 1:32:23pm

re: #331 engineer cat

why does drumpf try to hide his german roots?

He’s a saurkraut.

333 Feline Overlord  Fri, May 3, 2013 1:34:47pm

re: #332 darthstar

He’s a saurkraut.

That’s a load of schnitzel.

334 Hal_10000  Fri, May 3, 2013 3:11:39pm

Realize I’m coming late to this, but did ya’ll actually watch the speech or just rely on Alternet’s summary? Because I really think it’s an unfair characterization of what he said. I listened to the speech and my impression was that the quiver was an offhand remark in a much broader topic. He talked about how important his family has been to him and how some of his happiest times were on his mission (keep in mind this is a co-ed institution that is predominantly Mormon). And then said that people shouldn’t put off enjoying life because they want to make money and be successful. That if they meet someone they love, they should get married. If they want kids, they should have them.

I will grant that it’s easy for him to say, with his wealth. But I’ve heard that message a hundred times. I’ve given it. It really didn’t cross me as “women should be barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen” message.

One thing that did interest me was that Romney specifically rejected the so-called “Prosperity Gospel”: the idea that God wants you to be rich and make a lot of money. This has become very big in some conservative circles lately and it’s nice to see someone rubbish it.

335 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Fri, May 3, 2013 3:25:09pm

re: #334 Hal_10000

It is cool that he mentions going to France and doesn’t mention it was during the Vietnam war, keeping it nicely low key. And that it was the ‘hardest years of his life’. Apparently he was living beyond comfort there in France.

One thing that did interest me was that Romney specifically rejected the so-called “Prosperity Gospel”: the idea that God wants you to be rich and make a lot of money. This has become very big in some conservative circles lately and it’s nice to see someone rubbish it.

Yeah, but he weridly quotes the ‘quiverfull’ thing which is arguably worse: it’s saying that god blesses you by giving you children.

So yeah, I watched the video. Sure, he says a lot of not-bad stuff, but some of the stuff he says that are not-bad, like understanind that luck plays a big part, go against what we’ve seen Romney do and the way he ran his campaign.

A lot of the speech is boilerplate “Be good, god loves all of us no matter what, family is great”. But the only points where it is at all interesting or departs from bromide is either the quiverfull stuff, or places where Romney’s hypocrisy is showing through.

336 wrenchwench  Fri, May 3, 2013 3:28:31pm

re: #334 Hal_10000

I listened to the speech and my impression was that the quiver was an offhand remark in a much broader topic.

Your impression means nothing if you don’t know the context in which he uses the term. Not the context of the commmencement speech, but the context of the religious conservative movement.

Nobody uses the term ‘quiver full’ in an offhand manner. It’s too weird, even if he were an archer.

337 FemNaziBitch  Fri, May 3, 2013 3:33:43pm

re: #334 Hal_10000

Realize I’m coming late to this, but did ya’ll actually watch the speech or just rely on Alternet’s summary? Because I really think it’s an unfair characterization of what he said. I listened to the speech and my impression was that the quiver was an offhand remark in a much broader topic. He talked about how important his family has been to him and how some of his happiest times were on his mission (keep in mind this is a co-ed institution that is predominantly Mormon). And then said that people shouldn’t put off enjoying life because they want to make money and be successful. That if they meet someone they love, they should get married. If they want kids, they should have them.

I will grant that it’s easy for him to say, with his wealth. But I’ve heard that message a hundred times. I’ve given it. It really didn’t cross me as “women should be barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen” message.

One thing that did interest me was that Romney specifically rejected the so-called “Prosperity Gospel”: the idea that God wants you to be rich and make a lot of money. This has become very big in some conservative circles lately and it’s nice to see someone rubbish it.

Did you read the first of the comments. Charles and others posted some background links that put things into perspective.

338 Hal_10000  Fri, May 3, 2013 4:59:54pm

re: #337 FemNaziBitch

I did see that. I’m not just not seeing that Romney meant it that way. This was a side remark in a speech that touched on a large number of subjects. It sounded more like “if you want to have a quiverfull of children, have one” not “have a quiverfull of children”. The conditional clause is what draws my attention. Romney is a lot of things but he hasn’t generally been a religious extremist, even he knows their neighborhood well.

339 Charles Johnson  Fri, May 3, 2013 7:35:14pm

There are a million ways to express this idea, but Mitt Romney just happened to choose the one that sounds exactly like a religious right patriarchal movement.

Sure, it’s a pure coincidence. Not.


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