NRA Bans Bleeding ‘Obama’ Target From Convention Floor

Rare attack of scruples
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Last February LGF author Coracle posted a Page that got quite a bit of notice, titled Zombie Night at the Shooting Range, an event featuring a realistic, “bleeding” target that looked an awful lot like a zombie version of Barack Obama.

Har de har.

At the time, we had a few people who doubted that this was really supposed to be an effigy of the President. Well, the manufacturer of this lovely item showed up at the NRA convention in Houston this weekend and removed all doubt.

In fact, it was so bleeding obvious that the NRA had a rare attack of scruples and asked Zombie Industries to remove it from their exhibit. Buzzfeed reports: National Rifle Association Bans Bleeding ‘Obama’ Target, Others Remain.

“Someone from the NRA came by and asked us to remove it” a Zombie Industries booth worker told BuzzFeed in hushed tones. “They thought it looked too much like President Obama.”

When asked if the Obama likeness was intentional the worker said, “Let’s just say I gave my Republican father one for Christmas.”

“They are just scared some liberal reporter will come by and start bitching” another booth worker said to men gathered around the booth. “But ya know, he does look very familiar.”

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327 comments
1 Kragar  Sun, May 5, 2013 4:54:47pm

They have no problem with the concept, they just don’t want to talk about them right now.

2 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 5, 2013 4:55:13pm
“They are just scared some liberal reporter will come by and start bitching” another booth worker said to men gathered around the booth.

No, they don’t want to be associated with things that advocate harming the president. Not only is such advocacy illegal, but it also might rile up an Obama hater enough to actually attempt to kill him, and the NRA does know such an assassination attempt would be disastrous for them.

3 klys  Sun, May 5, 2013 4:57:56pm

re: #2 Dark_Falcon

No, they don’t want to be associated with things that advocate harming the president. Not only is such advocacy illegal, but it also might rile up an Obama hater enough to actually attempt to kill him, and the NRA does know such an assassination attempt would be disastrous for them.

Two thoughts:

a) that’s probably the only motivation that might actually be true
b) why would an assassination attempt on a president that a non-trivial portion of the country despises/thinks is a Marxist socialist Muslim Kenyan terrorist be bad for the NRA when the murder of 20 first graders wasn’t?

4 Kragar  Sun, May 5, 2013 4:58:34pm

My Dad’s friends arranged an event to say good bye to him today.

5 Charles Johnson  Sun, May 5, 2013 4:59:40pm

re: #2 Dark_Falcon

They have no trouble associating with Ted Nugent, though, who has crossed the line to the point of a Secret Service interview.

6 klys  Sun, May 5, 2013 5:01:04pm

re: #4 Kragar

It’s dust in my eyes, I swear.

I hope the love and support of the community that so clearly loved and cared for your dad is offering some comfort and consolation for you and your family, both now and in the days to come.

7 Decatur Deb  Sun, May 5, 2013 5:02:45pm

re: #4 Kragar

My Dad’s friends arranged an event to say good bye to him today.

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Great sendoff—there were some sweet bikes in there.

8 ElCapitanAmerica  Sun, May 5, 2013 5:03:42pm

This is morally abhorrent, but I’m curious … what are the legal implications of doing something like this, if any?

9 Mattand  Sun, May 5, 2013 5:04:57pm

re: #2 Dark_Falcon

No, they don’t want to be associated with things that advocate harming the president. Not only is such advocacy illegal, but it also might rile up an Obama hater enough to actually attempt to kill him, and the NRA does know such an assassination attempt would be disastrous for them.

Mr. Fantastic and Plastic Man wish they could stretch like that.

EDIT: Complete fuck up on my part. Completely misread the comment. Apologies to everyone.

10 Mattand  Sun, May 5, 2013 5:07:01pm

re: #9 Mattand

Mr. Fantastic and Plastic Man wish they could stretch like that.

Ignore that. I completely misread the comment. Complete fuck up on my part.

11 ProTARDISLiberal  Sun, May 5, 2013 5:08:29pm

I just found this:

I admire Atatürk and Turks: US defense chief

In another article appears this:

“Ataturk is one of the most valuable leaders in the 21st century. The children in the United States know nothing about such a big leader. He should be taught at schools, take part in history books,” U.S. Nebraska Senator Chuck Hagel said during a speech at a session organized by the American-Turkish Council in Washington, D.C.

How did that not cause a shitstorm in Washington.

12 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sun, May 5, 2013 5:12:01pm

re: #4 Kragar

My Dad’s friends arranged an event to say good bye to him today.

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nicely done.
{{Kragar}}

13 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 5, 2013 5:16:29pm

re: #3 klys

Two thoughts:

a) that’s probably the only motivation that might actually be true
b) why would an assassination attempt on a president that a non-trivial portion of the country despises/thinks is a Marxist socialist Muslim Kenyan terrorist be bad for the NRA when the murder of 20 first graders wasn’t?

Because the NRA wasn’t associated with what Adam Lanza did, no one was except Adam Lanza. But an attempt on Barack Obama’s life* would be another kettle of fish: Obama’s allies in the press would connect the NRA to such an attempt if such a connection was honestly plausible.

The pressure that would engender would be bad enough, but it would also force the NRA to denounce the attempted assassin* and step back from its rhetoric, at least for a short time. But just doing that would unleash a frothing font of wingnut rage, angry that the NRA “Rejected the opportunity to call for Revolution!!1”. So any assassination attempt on the president would see the NRA getting it from both ends.

*: My posts are focused on an unsuccessful assassination attempt. I am not prepared to speculate on what would happen if some hate-fueled wingnut actually killed President Obama, except to say that such an act would be horrible and ghastly.

14 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 5, 2013 5:18:00pm

re: #9 Mattand

Mr. Fantastic and Plastic Man wish they could stretch like that.

EDIT: Complete fuck up on my part. Completely misread the comment. Apologies to everyone.

Understood. What did you think I was trying to say, though?

15 DO WINGNUT WORDS SHOW THEY EVOLVED BRAINS?11!!  Sun, May 5, 2013 5:19:27pm
Please no beginner shooters in this event, for we turn the lights off and fog and strobe machine is running

I still get a kick out of that. I mean it just sounds like a 3 stooges type accident waiting to happen. LMFAO!

16 Mattand  Sun, May 5, 2013 5:23:39pm

re: #14 Dark_Falcon

Understood. What did you think I was trying to say, though?

I read it as an Obama supporter would go after the target makers for selling the dummy. Utter lack of reading comprehension on my part.

The irony that the story deals with dummies is not lost on me, given what an idiot I was. I cannot apologize enough.

17 klys  Sun, May 5, 2013 5:24:03pm

re: #13 Dark_Falcon

a) the NRA rhetoric is only serving its financial backers at this point (gun companies are sure making money hand over fist) and not any actual reasonable discussion, so I fail to see how their ‘toning it down’ would be a bad thing.
b) seriously, if the murder of 20 first graders didn’t convince the lunatics in charge at the NRA that maybe a reasonable discussion about guns - or hell, closing some of the background check loopholes - was a useful distinction, why would an assassination attempt do so? Why do you think that they would treat this any different than what happened in Newtown, as being the individual action of one deranged person?

18 Decatur Deb  Sun, May 5, 2013 5:25:02pm

re: #16 Mattand

I read it as an Obama supporter would go after the target makers for selling the dummy. Utter lack of reading comprehension on my part.

The irony that the story deals with dummies is not lost on me, given what an idiot I was. I cannot apologize enough.

Being on the Intertubes means never having to say you’re sorry.

19 Mattand  Sun, May 5, 2013 5:26:27pm

re: #18 Decatur Deb

Being on the Intertubes means never having to say you’re sorry.

See, I can’t even do that right.

20 jaunte  Sun, May 5, 2013 5:27:04pm
The model, named “Rocky” is still available for purchase at the booth but is hidden from sight, leaving a gap among the targets on display which range from Osama bin Laden to a Nazi soldier.

So not really banned, just banished to the status of an insider item.

21 Varek Raith  Sun, May 5, 2013 5:28:49pm

Gun Protesters Plan March On Washington With Loaded Rifles To ‘Put The Government On Notice’
That they are paranoid delusional and should have their guns taken away?
I’m all for that.

22 jaunte  Sun, May 5, 2013 5:30:34pm

re: #21 Varek Raith

I think it should be clear that if anyone involved in this event is approached respectfully by agents of the state, they will submit to arrest without resisting. We are truly saying in the SUBTLEST way possible that we would rather die on our feet than live on our knees.

Which of these sentences is not like the other?

23 Decatur Deb  Sun, May 5, 2013 5:30:59pm

re: #21 Varek Raith

Gun Protesters Plan March On Washington With Loaded Rifles To ‘Put The Government On Notice’
That they are paranoid delusional and should have their guns taken away?
I’m all for that.

A few Freep threads are overwhelmingly against the march—sure it’s a false flag to round up or slaughter patriots.

24 Kragar  Sun, May 5, 2013 5:33:25pm

re: #21 Varek Raith

Gun Protesters Plan March On Washington With Loaded Rifles To ‘Put The Government On Notice’
That they are paranoid delusional and should have their guns taken away?
I’m all for that.

From the event organizer and one of his supporters:

25 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 5, 2013 5:33:29pm

re: #22 jaunte

Which of these sentences is not like the other?

It’s the product of minds that want the excitement of uprising and martyrdom without having to suffer the full consequences of same.

Verdict: Pathetic.

26 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 5, 2013 5:34:16pm

Pretty much all the wingnuts denounced the planned March as stupid and counterproductive. Kokesh is a Paulian loon.

27 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 5, 2013 5:35:18pm

re: #24 Kragar

From the event organizer and one of his supporters:

I wonder if morons like that know just how many soldiers and marines are stationed in and around Washington DC, to say nothing of all of the federal law enforcement agents.

28 Decatur Deb  Sun, May 5, 2013 5:35:24pm

re: #26 Killgore Trout

Pretty much all the wingnuts denounced the planned March as stupid and counterproductive. Kokesh is a Paulian loon.

Occupy the Potomac.

29 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 5, 2013 5:36:00pm

The UN springs into action
UN chief urges restraint after Israeli air strikes in Syria

“The secretary-general urges respect for national sovereignty and territorial integrity of all countries in the region, and adherence to all relevant Security Council resolutions,” Nesirky said.

Ban spoke by telephone with Arab League chief Nabil al-Arabi about the reports, which have triggered fears of further escalation in a conflict that has already killed more than 70,000 people in just over two years.

The two men “shared their grave concern about the reported air strikes in Syria and the risks for regional security,” Nesirky said.

30 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 5, 2013 5:36:44pm

re: #28 Decatur Deb

Occupy the Potomac.

Kokesh can occupy the Potomac, just as long as he occupies its bottom.

///Entirely kidding.

31 Killgore Trout  Sun, May 5, 2013 5:37:11pm

re: #28 Decatur Deb

Occupy the Potomac.

Yeah, If they threw in a giant drone puppet and a 9-11 Truth banner Code Pink would show up too.

32 Decatur Deb  Sun, May 5, 2013 5:38:45pm

My limes all are sliced and my tacos are all unwrapped. We really do BBQ better down here.

33 Decatur Deb  Sun, May 5, 2013 5:39:58pm

re: #31 Killgore Trout

Yeah, If they threw in a giant drone puppet and a 9-11 Truth banner Code Pink would show up too.

Everyone out looking for an A.N.S.W.E.R.

34 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 5, 2013 5:41:24pm

re: #29 Killgore Trout

The UN springs into action
UN chief urges restraint after Israeli air strikes in Syria

Prediction: The debate will center around how evil Israel is, and the misdeeds of Assad will be judged worthy of no action save the famed Strongly Worded Letter.

35 AlexRogan  Sun, May 5, 2013 5:41:41pm

re: #31 Killgore Trout

Yeah, If they threw in a giant drone puppet and a 9-11 Truth banner Code Pink would show up too.

Image: ohyou.jpg

36 Varek Raith  Sun, May 5, 2013 5:42:00pm

re: #26 Killgore Trout

Pretty much all the wingnuts denounced the planned March as stupid and counterproductive. Kokesh is a Paulian loon.

FALSE FLAG!11ty

37 Vicious Babushka  Sun, May 5, 2013 5:43:37pm

DERPTY DERP

38 PhillyPretzel  Sun, May 5, 2013 5:44:55pm

re: #37 Vicious Babushka

He is totally lame.

39 Decatur Deb  Sun, May 5, 2013 5:45:53pm

Weaponizing Paper Airplanes:

One brilliant-crazy dude.

40 Vicious Babushka  Sun, May 5, 2013 5:45:53pm

re: #38 PhillyPretzel

He is totally lame.

WHY AM I NOT SURPRISED?

41 jaunte  Sun, May 5, 2013 5:47:37pm

re: #36 Varek Raith

FALSE FLAG!11ty

Freepers agree!

To: chessplayer
Big-Libertarian. Does Antiwar.com ring any bells?
This is just the rabble of lefties under false flag.

9 posted on Sun May 5 11:15:07 2013 by Hardraade
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To: Tijeras_Slim

He could be a plant by the regime. Wouldnt put anything past this bunch
10 posted on Sun May 5 11:16:11 2013 by Yorlik803 (better to die on your feet than live on your knees.)
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42 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, May 5, 2013 5:47:43pm

re: #4 Kragar

My Dad’s friends arranged an event to say good bye to him today.

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Beautiful.

Lots of Triumphs. Nice to see & hear.

43 Gus  Sun, May 5, 2013 5:49:37pm

re: #40 Vicious Babushka

WHY AM I NOT SURPRISED?

Has he ever looked at himself in the mirror?

44 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 5, 2013 5:50:00pm

re: #40 Vicious Babushka

WHY AM I NOT SURPRISED?

A full week if hateful misogynistic trolling: Real good way to win votes there, Bobby. You miserable choad.

45 PhillyPretzel  Sun, May 5, 2013 5:50:19pm

re: #43 Gus

No. It would break on contact.

46 ProTARDISLiberal  Sun, May 5, 2013 5:51:08pm

re: #40 Vicious Babushka

Pretty sure the only significant relationship he has ever been in is the one with his hand.

47 klys  Sun, May 5, 2013 5:53:01pm

re: #40 Vicious Babushka

On the plus side, at least he’s saying in public what a non-trivial number of conservatives say or think in private. Much easier to clearly show the difference between philosophies.

48 jaunte  Sun, May 5, 2013 5:54:38pm

How fast can you swim in reverse?
petapixel.com

49 Vicious Babushka  Sun, May 5, 2013 5:55:49pm

What a fucktard.

50 Iwouldprefernotto  Sun, May 5, 2013 5:59:09pm

re: #49 Vicious Babushka

What a fucktard.

I just love the rebranding efforts.

51 jaunte  Sun, May 5, 2013 5:59:44pm

re: #37 Vicious Babushka

R. S. McCain exemplifies the Hotpocket For One market.

52 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 5, 2013 6:00:16pm

re: #46 ProBosniaLiberal

Pretty sure the only significant relationship he has ever been in is the one with his hand.

Very good lead in for this vid. From Pink to misogynists, without love:

53 Targetpractice  Sun, May 5, 2013 6:00:27pm

re: #49 Vicious Babushka

What a fucktard.

All the maturity of a little kid screaming “Look at me, mommy!”

54 Charles Johnson  Sun, May 5, 2013 6:01:55pm

I retweeted his post, because it’s such a great illustration of what no sane person wants to be.

55 engineer cat  Sun, May 5, 2013 6:04:24pm

gave my republican father one for

Researchers Worry Stupid Gene Spreading

advise caution when traveling in infected areas marked by walmarts and pro wrestling

56 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Sun, May 5, 2013 6:07:39pm
57 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 5, 2013 6:09:10pm

re: #55 engineer cat

gave my republican father one for

Researchers Worry Stupid Gene Spreading

advise caution when traveling in infected areas marked by walmarts and pro wrestling

Neither of those proves much. The WWE has sold out the Allstate Arena and the United Center many times, and there’s a small-sized Wal-Mart at the corner of Chicago Avenue and Franklin Street in downtown Chicago now.

58 Varek Raith  Sun, May 5, 2013 6:09:48pm

re: #56 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

They seem…
Obsessed.

59 klys  Sun, May 5, 2013 6:10:35pm

re: #58 Varek Raith

They seem…
Obsessed.

It’s always delightful to watch master debaters in action.

////

Pro wrestling = soap operas for males.

60 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, May 5, 2013 6:10:48pm

re: #52 Dark_Falcon

Very good lead in for this vid. From Pink to misogynists, without love:

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Heh. I do love Pink.

61 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Sun, May 5, 2013 6:11:58pm

re: #58 Varek Raith

They seem…
Obsessed.

They’re sick fucks.

62 Vicious Babushka  Sun, May 5, 2013 6:16:16pm

DERP

63 Vicious Babushka  Sun, May 5, 2013 6:17:13pm
64 klys  Sun, May 5, 2013 6:17:40pm
65 Tigger2  Sun, May 5, 2013 6:18:54pm

I don’t want to hear the word Patriot come out of those Unpatriotic assholes mouths again.

66 PhillyPretzel  Sun, May 5, 2013 6:19:02pm

re: #62 Vicious Babushka

I rather see people posting pictures of their pets and /or prized objects than hatred.

67 Vicious Babushka  Sun, May 5, 2013 6:19:29pm

re: #65 Tigger2

I don’t want to hear the word Patriot come out of those Unpatriotic assholes mouths again.

68 Vicious Babushka  Sun, May 5, 2013 6:22:58pm
69 Tigger2  Sun, May 5, 2013 6:26:14pm

re: #67 Vicious Babushka

She’s almost to old for teabaggen. lol

70 Decatur Deb  Sun, May 5, 2013 6:27:13pm

re: #68 Vicious Babushka

No hearing protection on a kid.

71 Vicious Babushka  Sun, May 5, 2013 6:27:29pm

re: #69 Tigger2

She’s almost to old for teabaggen. lol

Makes you throw up in your mouth, don’t it.

72 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 5, 2013 6:27:53pm

re: #68 Vicious Babushka

It shouldn’t remind him of that. The child is using a rifle sized for her, is wearing safety glasses, and is closely supervised by an adult. She is quite safe.

73 Vicious Babushka  Sun, May 5, 2013 6:27:56pm

re: #70 Decatur Deb

No hearing protection on a kid.

74 Vicious Babushka  Sun, May 5, 2013 6:28:20pm

re: #72 Dark_Falcon

It shouldn’t remind him of that. The child is using a rifle sized for her, is wearing safety gear, and is closely supervised by an adult. She is quite safe.

DD said no ear protectors.

75 Vicious Babushka  Sun, May 5, 2013 6:28:49pm

DERPIN’ UP A STORM TONIGHT.

76 Tigger2  Sun, May 5, 2013 6:28:53pm

re: #70 Decatur Deb

No hearing protection on a kid.

Hearing protection isn’t really needed for a 22 not much noise.

77 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 5, 2013 6:29:30pm

re: #74 Vicious Babushka

DD said no ear protectors.

might not be needed. Some low velocity .22 rounds can be used without them and those rounds are good starter rounds for a child.

78 Decatur Deb  Sun, May 5, 2013 6:29:46pm

re: #76 Tigger2

Hearing protection isn’t really needed for a 22 not much noise.

Nobody gets on an Army range without plugs.

79 Vicious Babushka  Sun, May 5, 2013 6:29:54pm

FAIL: When you are constantly talking about overthrowing the government, but keep calling yourself a “patriot”

80 Varek Raith  Sun, May 5, 2013 6:30:08pm

Yeah, let’s take a step back.
Guns should not be marketed towards kids.
Full stop.

81 Tigger2  Sun, May 5, 2013 6:31:05pm

re: #78 Decatur Deb

Nobody gets on an Army range without plugs.

That doesn’t look like a army range.

82 Stanghazi  Sun, May 5, 2013 6:32:16pm

re: #72 Dark_Falcon

It shouldn’t remind him of that. The child is using a rifle sized for her, is wearing safety glasses, and is closely supervised by an adult. She is quite safe.

Have to ding that statement. I see nothing, absolutely nothing beneficial from that photo, except the use of a child for her parents weak fantasy.

83 Decatur Deb  Sun, May 5, 2013 6:32:58pm

re: #81 Tigger2

That doesn’t look like a army range.

Expect 140 dB from a .22. Bad for an adult, unforgivable for someone who will need her ears for another 70 yrs.

asha.org

84 majii  Sun, May 5, 2013 6:33:04pm

re: #11 ProBosniaLiberal

Because these idiots have no ideas who Kemal Ataturk was, or how influential he was in ensuring that Turkey operated under a secular government. Give one of the RW blogging “stars” a couple of months, and we’ll see all kinds of denunciations of Hagel’s speech. They’re a little slow about knowing certain things, especially things related to history.

85 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 5, 2013 6:33:56pm

re: #80 Varek Raith

Yeah, let’s take a step back.
Guns should not be marketed towards kids.
Full stop.

That isn’t marketing, Varek. It’s a shooting class. It’s about teaching safe handling of firearms and basic rifle principals, not a sales pitch. Best if children learn that at a young age. A child taught what a gun is, how to handle it, but also never to handle one without adult supervision is a child far less likely to be hurt in a firearms accident.

86 Stanghazi  Sun, May 5, 2013 6:34:02pm

“Good starter rounds for a child”

87 Tigger2  Sun, May 5, 2013 6:34:51pm

re: #83 Decatur Deb

Expect 140 dB from a .22. Bad for an adult, unforgivable for someone who will need her ears for another 70 yrs.

asha.org

I have been shooting 22s since I was 8 most of the time I didn’t even notice the sound much less have it hurt my hearing, I’m 60 now and can hear very well can’t see worth a piss but can hear.

88 Stanghazi  Sun, May 5, 2013 6:35:03pm

re: #85 Dark_Falcon

That isn’t marketing, Varek. It’s a shooting class. It’s about teaching safe handling of firearms and basic rifle principals, not a sales pitch. Best if children learn that at a young age. A child taught what a gun is, how to handle it, but also never to handle one without adult supervision is a child far less likely to be hurt in a firearms accident.

Then it shouldn’t be PINK. The gun should be black.

Fail

89 Decatur Deb  Sun, May 5, 2013 6:35:16pm

re: #85 Dark_Falcon

That isn’t marketing, Varek. It’s a shooting class. It’s about teaching safe handling of firearms and basic rifle principals, not a sales pitch. Best if children learn that at a young age. A child taught what a gun is, how to handle it, but also never to handle one without adult supervision is a child far less likely to be hurt in a firearms accident.

Impulse noise w/o hearing protection is not teaching safe handling.

90 Decatur Deb  Sun, May 5, 2013 6:35:59pm

re: #87 Tigger2

I have been shooting 22s since I was 8 most of the time I didn’t even notice the sound much less have it hurt my hearing.

That’s because you might have hearing loss.

91 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 5, 2013 6:36:34pm

re: #86 Stanley Sea

“Good starter rounds for a child”

People have to learn, Stanley. Best to do so with low-velocity rounds that don’t make too much noise. Perhaps even with a sound-supressed rifle, if that is legal in their state or locality. Such rifles are legal in Texas, and its possible the depicted rifle is one of them.

92 Vicious Babushka  Sun, May 5, 2013 6:37:03pm

DERP

93 Tigger2  Sun, May 5, 2013 6:37:03pm

re: #90 Decatur Deb

That’s because you might have hearing loss.

Not a bit.

94 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 5, 2013 6:38:08pm

re: #88 Stanley Sea

Then it shouldn’t be PINK. The gun should be black.

Fail

Why should it be black? Why that color?

95 stabby  Sun, May 5, 2013 6:40:24pm

I’ve googled for it before. They originally sold a the Barack target in his realistic skin tone, not as a green Zombie.

Yep, them. Same company.

96 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 5, 2013 6:41:14pm

re: #92 Vicious Babushka

DERP

DERP is right. What Mall Ninja put that thing together? It’s got a forward handgrip attached to the bottom M1913 Rail and then another forward handgrip attached to the front of the magazine well.

Verdict: FAIL.

97 Vicious Babushka  Sun, May 5, 2013 6:42:37pm
98 Stanghazi  Sun, May 5, 2013 6:44:12pm

re: #94 Dark_Falcon

Why should it be black? Why that color?

In your words it’s not a sales pitch.

Pink is a sales pitch.

99 jaunte  Sun, May 5, 2013 6:44:43pm

Pink is a good color to suggest that a product is harmless and fun.

100 Stanghazi  Sun, May 5, 2013 6:46:01pm

re: #99 jaunte

Pink is a good color to suggest that a product is harmless and fun.

Right next to the my little pony collection, or whatever pink shit little girls are into.

101 Tigger2  Sun, May 5, 2013 6:46:26pm

re: #92 Vicious Babushka

DERP

I have one of these, I could prob get the person that has that before he even saw me.
Image: firearms_savage-34974805536_xlarge.jpeg

102 stabby  Sun, May 5, 2013 6:46:59pm

re: #62 Vicious Babushka

Fuck that guy so much. I hope he gets run off of twitter for saying something so stupid. He thinks Thomas Jefferson and Martin Luther King would be advocating overthrowing the government or something?

Why? Would MLK be as upset as these morons that a black man got to be president?

103 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 5, 2013 6:48:53pm

re: #98 Stanley Sea

In your words it’s not a sales pitch.

Pink is a sales pitch.

And black is scary and off-putting. How about a compromise, like a nice light brown or green?

104 Political Atheist  Sun, May 5, 2013 6:48:54pm

re: #86 Stanley Sea

Just like I started with. There is no good reason to start a young person with a big loud high recoil gun. I get started at eight years old. Some here are offended at that given the assumption that gun equals bad. Yeah well I really enjoyed hunting and fishing with family. That built on a sense of responsibility later when my family partnered up in a small plane. As a 9 year old I got flying lessons, controls in hand. Both things are quite dangerous if mishandled. the responsibility lesson lasts a lifetime.

105 Vicious Babushka  Sun, May 5, 2013 6:48:55pm

re: #102 stabby

Fuck that guy so much. I hope he gets run off of twitter for saying something so stupid. He thinks Thomas Jefferson and Martin Luther King would be advocating overthrowing the government or something?

Why? Would MLK be as upset as these morons that a black man got to be president?

These retards believe MLK was a Republican. Also the sky in their world is green.

106 Eclectic Cyborg  Sun, May 5, 2013 6:52:04pm

I am not going to provide a link due to NSFW content, but there’s been a online uproar over a Danish TV show called Blachman. On the show, a woman strips nude while the two clothed, make hosts talk in detail about her body.

107 stabby  Sun, May 5, 2013 6:52:13pm

re: #105 Vicious Babushka

Make a picture of MLK with a “quote” on it that says something like “I sure wouldn’t let no n***** liberal be mah president” and tweet it back at him

108 Stanghazi  Sun, May 5, 2013 6:52:19pm

re: #104 Political Atheist

Of course we should note that removing the hearing protection for communicating a lesson between actual firing sessions is really really common. All you see is a snapshot at an event.

Just like I started with. There is no good reason to start a young person with a big loud high recoil gun. I get started at eight years old. Some here are offended at that given the assumption that gun equals bad. Yeah well I really enjoyed hunting and fishing with family. That built on a sense of responsibility later when my family partnered up in a small plane. As a 9 year old I got flying lessons, controls in hand. Both things are quite dangerous if mishandled. the responsibility lesson lasts a lifetime.

I am not against correct usage in any way, but back to that photo…it just screams to me that the parent is flexing the power of their rights onto their kids.

109 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 5, 2013 6:54:27pm

re: #108 Stanley Sea

I am not against correct usage in any way, but back to that photo…it just screams to me that the parent is flexing the power of their rights onto their kids.

I understand how you can feel that way, but I really would caution you not to read so much into a photo like that. The context that would make your feeling a probability is not available to us.

110 Vicious Babushka  Sun, May 5, 2013 6:55:15pm

Here is an anti-Union, anti-Worker message BROUGHT TO YOU BY THE FREAKING KOCH BROTHERS.

111 Vicious Babushka  Sun, May 5, 2013 6:55:49pm

re: #107 stabby

Make a picture of MLK with a “quote” on it that says something like “I sure wouldn’t let no n***** liberal be mah president” and tweet it back at him

NO.

112 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 5, 2013 6:56:45pm

re: #110 Vicious Babushka

For work reasons, I have no comment.

113 Political Atheist  Sun, May 5, 2013 6:57:29pm

re: #108 Stanley Sea

My parents liked going shooting. They took me to events to learn safety and shoot. How is that any different? At some point anger at the NRA overlaps into thinking less of shooters or shooting or parents that pass along the love of the sport.

114 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Sun, May 5, 2013 6:59:21pm

re: #113 Political Atheist

And lots of parents pass along carelessness and “Guns are cool” to their kids, too.

115 stabby  Sun, May 5, 2013 6:59:43pm

re: #111 Vicious Babushka

Idiots might take it wrong, but these people and their methods deserve to be mocked. They deserve to be instant laughing stocks.

116 Political Atheist  Sun, May 5, 2013 7:01:23pm

re: #114 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts

Which of course only shows the need for the safety classes. Often developed & run by the NRA.

117 Vicious Babushka  Sun, May 5, 2013 7:01:37pm

re: #115 stabby

Idiots might take it wrong, but these people and their methods deserve to be mocked. They deserve to be instant laughing stocks.

That’s why I made the Jefferson LOLcat, to make fun of all the Fake Quoters.

I would not make a Fake Quote photoshop of MLK using the N word. That’s just wrong.

118 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 5, 2013 7:02:15pm

re: #114 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts

And lots of parents pass along carelessness and “Guns are cool” to their kids, too.

Yes, but let’s be fair: The NRA’s classes have never allowed for carelessness. Whatever else is true, the National Rifle Association has always taught the safe handling of firearms.

119 kirkspencer  Sun, May 5, 2013 7:04:48pm

re: #118 Dark_Falcon

Yes, but let’s be fair: The NRA’s classes have never allowed for carelessness. Whatever else is true, the National Rifle Association has always taught the safe handling of firearms.

Don’t use that word never. Trust me, don’t.

120 bratwurst  Sun, May 5, 2013 7:10:31pm

re: #119 kirkspencer

Don’t use that word never. Trust me, don’t.

To be fair, it did take you over 150 seconds to link to a case of carelessness. /

121 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 5, 2013 7:10:47pm

re: #119 kirkspencer

Don’t use that word never. Trust me, don’t.

Your point is well taken, but it should be noted that the article goes on to state that the instructor in question shot that student while violating NRA rules against bringing ammo into a class like the one he was holding. So the accident happened not because of the NRA’s rules and principals but in spite of them.

122 Vicious Babushka  Sun, May 5, 2013 7:13:01pm

Wingnuts are still retweeting the bullshit birther meme that “Why do you have a background check to own a gun but not to run the country?”

123 Lidane  Sun, May 5, 2013 7:14:38pm

re: #122 Vicious Babushka

Wingnuts are still retweeting the bullshit birther meme that “Why do you have a background check to own a gun but not to run the country?”

A large segment of this country flipped their shit when a black man got elected POTUS and they show no signs of slowing down.

124 Gus  Sun, May 5, 2013 7:16:54pm

Argh.

125 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 5, 2013 7:17:09pm

re: #122 Vicious Babushka

Wingnuts are still retweeting the bullshit birther meme that “Why do you have a background check to own a gun but not to run the country?”

The fact that Barack Obama’s background has been far more heavily investigated than a gun-owners would be even if said gun owner was buying an automatic weapon has never registered with them. Assholes.

126 Targetpractice  Sun, May 5, 2013 7:17:19pm

re: #122 Vicious Babushka

Wingnuts are still retweeting the bullshit birther meme that “Why do you have a background check to own a gun but not to run the country?”

They’d probably flip their lids if they found that part of the nitty-gritty involved in becoming president is undergoing a security clearance check that is far deeper and involved than any background check they’ve ever submitted to.

127 Coracle  Sun, May 5, 2013 7:17:31pm

Re: the OP. Turns out all the protestations I read at the time about Rocky and his ilk were, in fact, the lies I thought they were.

128 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 5, 2013 7:17:45pm

re: #124 Gus

Argh.

Settle down, Gus. Don’t make me traq you again! ;)

129 Vicious Babushka  Sun, May 5, 2013 7:17:52pm

re: #123 Lidane

A large segment of this country flipped their shit when a black man got elected POTUS and they show no signs of slowing down.


130 Political Atheist  Sun, May 5, 2013 7:18:20pm

re: #121 Dark_Falcon

At this point in gun safety development, it is probably impossible for an accident to happen when all the rules as espoused by the pros are actually followed. Most often more than one rule gets broken in an accident just like it often takes more than one thing to go wrong in a car or plane crash.

So for an accident to happen someone screwed up big. Heh the anti NRA flip side of that tired unhelpful phrase “guns don’t…” —Only in the instance of rule breaking mishandling of the gun does a gun fire by accident. Honestly I have witnessed a number of those accidents at the range, and in those fortunate cases the bullet went harmlessly into the dirt. The rule about muzzle direction prevailed. Seen people in competition against the clock slip on the run and fall with a safety off loaded gun in hand and not fire. So lets say I appreciate how well those rules work even for a day to day cop.

And BTW I really want that one more rule. Universal B/G check for sales and transfers.

131 kirkspencer  Sun, May 5, 2013 7:18:32pm

re: #121 Dark_Falcon

Your point is well taken, but it should be noted that the article goes on to state that the instructor in question shot that student while violating NRA rules against bringing ammo into a class like the one he was holding. So the accident happened not because of the NRA’s rules and principals but in spite of them.

Unless instructors follow them the rules don’t matter. If I can find news reports of more than a dozen accidents at NRA classes over the past year then it’s not a one-off problem.

And I’ll go further - it’s not just classes. One of the pages recently posted to this site was of a line of men waiting to get into the NRA conference room. Most were carrying long weapons in cases. Two of the four had the butts of the rifles or shotguns on the ground and had their hands resting across the muzzles.

I think there’s a major problem with the NRA giving lip service to firearms safety, but failing to actually practice it beyond “check the block”.

132 Vicious Babushka  Sun, May 5, 2013 7:18:54pm

re: #126 Targetpractice

They’d probably flip their lids if they found that part of the nitty-gritty involved in becoming president is undergoing a security clearance check that is far deeper and involved than any background check they’ve ever submitted to.

They don’t know that, all they know is what the read on Whirled Nut Daily.

133 Lidane  Sun, May 5, 2013 7:19:03pm

re: #129 Vicious Babushka

I’m still waiting for these dipshits to make a case for impeachment that doesn’t begin and end with Being POTUS While Black, which isn’t actually a crime.

134 Lidane  Sun, May 5, 2013 7:20:00pm

re: #126 Targetpractice

They’d probably flip their lids if they found that part of the nitty-gritty involved in becoming president is undergoing a security clearance check that is far deeper and involved than any background check they’ve ever submitted to.

Or that getting your security clearances for the Senate involve a pretty thorough background check too.

135 Political Atheist  Sun, May 5, 2013 7:23:35pm

re: #134 Lidane

How about this? Your harshest critics get two runs at your permit. A primary and a general. You need to win the electoral college to get that gun.

136 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, May 5, 2013 7:25:45pm

re: #135 Political Atheist

How about this? Your harshest critics get two runs at your permit. A primary and a general. You need to win the electoral college to get that gun.

I’d rather go all Heinlein on them and require a term in the military before allowing someone to own guns.

// Just in case.

137 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 5, 2013 7:29:20pm

re: #131 kirkspencer

That article you posted wasn’t from 2012, it was from 2010.

Nitpicking? Not much, maybe a little.

138 Decatur Deb  Sun, May 5, 2013 7:29:24pm

NRA Rules for Small Bore (.22 cal) Competition

3.19 Eye Protection - All competitors and other personnel in the immediate vicinity of the range complex are urged to wear eye protection devices.
3.20 Ear Protection - All competitors and other personnel in the immediate vicinity of the range complex are urged to wear hearing protection devices. Only sound reducing devices may be worn by competitors forward of the
ready line.

Competitors should be aware that match sponsors (and/or ranges) may require that all competitors wear eye and ear protection while attending a match on their range.

(Note .pdf format)
google.com

139 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Sun, May 5, 2013 7:37:15pm

re: #113 Political Atheist

My parents liked going shooting. They took me to events to learn safety and shoot. How is that any different? At some point anger at the NRA overlaps into thinking less of shooters or shooting or parents that pass along the love of the sport.

As a 10, 11, 12 year old kid I used to take my .22 out and shoot targets. I enjoyed the destruction at a distance. I also took my bow out and tested my and the bow’s capabilities. I enjoyed making the arrow disappear into the distance.

140 bratwurst  Sun, May 5, 2013 7:41:34pm

There is a bit of a shit storm brewing tonight over Politico’s assertion that Limbaugh will be pulling his show from 40 Cumulus-owned radio stations at the end of the year. These stations include most of the major markets, so he will certainly reappear quickly in most or all of them. However, it is a fact that his show on one of those stations (WLS in Chicago) has been running PSAs (ie filling unsold ad time) during almost every single commercial sweep since the Sandra Fluke incident.

141 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 5, 2013 7:47:42pm

re: #140 bratwurst

There is a bit of a shit storm brewing tonight over Politico’s assertion that Limbaugh will be pulling his show from 40 Cumulus-owned radio stations at the end of the year. These stations include most of the major markets, so he will certainly reappear quickly in most or all of them. However, the fact that his show on one of those stations (WLS in Chicago) has been running PSAs (ie filling unsold ad time) during almost every single commercial sweep since the Sandra Fluke incident.

Rush has made himself unprofitable in the Chicago area. Couldn’t happen to a more deserving man.

/spits

142 kirkspencer  Sun, May 5, 2013 7:52:23pm

re: #137 Dark_Falcon

That article you posted wasn’t from 2012, it was from 2010.

Nitpicking? Not much, maybe a little.

ok, how about this.

143 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 5, 2013 7:55:22pm

re: #142 kirkspencer

ok, how about this.

Looks like a scam in that case. The guy teaching the class wasn’t licenced to teach it in Texas. He claimed the NRA licensed him, but the article hadn’t gotten confirmation of that.

144 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, May 5, 2013 8:08:10pm

re: #139 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

As a 10, 11, 12 year old kid I used to take my .22 out and shoot targets. I enjoyed the destruction at a distance. I also took my bow out and tested my and the bow’s capabilities. I enjoyed making the arrow disappear into the distance.

I remember going squirrel hunting when I was much younger. My family had enough food so I didn’t need to bring home game. .22’s were affordable from my rather minimal allowance.

To make a long story short, I’d sit in the woods and practice my marksmanship by seeing how close I could get to the squirrel without hitting it. There were times when with my bolt action/tube magazine rifle I’d chase a squirrel up the tree with bark fragments urging him on then turn him around and chasing him back to the ground before letting him get away.

Not sure what that says about me, but OTOH, I just couldn’t see killing the critter when we had plenty of beef & chicken (and thus eggs as well) on the farm. I could do what needed be done then but the squirrel was just, somehow, different. Varmints - especially ones that killed the chickens - were a different story.

145 kirkspencer  Sun, May 5, 2013 8:08:41pm

re: #143 Dark_Falcon

Looks like a scam in that case. The guy teaching the class wasn’t licenced to teach it in Texas. He claimed the NRA licensed him, but the article hadn’t gotten confirmation of that.

This report - note date is later than the first - says he is NRA certified. [edited to fix link]

Also see usatoday.com for another recent case.

Peterson technically wasn’t /during/ class. It was going to start soon and he was showing a pistol to his wife.

With the exception of Peterson I’m skipping cases where instructors/students shot themselves or others but not during class.

But you’re doing a nice job of trying to strain gnats. “Never” does not apply. One case should have been sufficient. That I found some within the past few months - not just year - should make the point clearer.

146 Decatur Deb  Sun, May 5, 2013 8:09:02pm

‘Nite, all.

147 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, May 5, 2013 8:09:19pm

re: #73 Vicious Babushka

Dana Loesch ✔ @DLoesch

Took a crew of friends to my home range where we fired all manner of rifles, pistols, and yes, some fully auto. #Merica

I’m glad Dana got to shoot full-auto. I’ve done some of that. Loads of fun. It took 2 days to get the smile off my buddy Todd’s face. That’s because it was attached to his head, which came off when a 23mm round hit him in the neck and we couldn’t find it right away. The 23mm is also a full auto gun, a big one. I’m sure the guy who was shooting that one enjoyed it all as much as we did; until an F-4 load of napalm landed on his gun, his crew, and him. I wonder if Dana enjoys outdoor cooking?

148 Mich-again  Sun, May 5, 2013 8:11:38pm

The NRA whips up their base by preaching that the basis for the 2nd Amendment was to fight tyranny, but they never define what is meant by tyranny. So to the gun nuts, the term tyranny refers to anything about the government that they don’t like.

As the GOP agenda keeps lurching further out into the weeds, they will lose more elections and the ability to control legislation. When that happens I’m sure they’ll blame their election losses on “tyranny” instead of blaming their own extremism and incompetence.

149 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 5, 2013 8:13:46pm

re: #147 Shiplord Kirel

I’m glad Dana got to shoot full-auto. I’ve done some of that. Loads of fun. It took 2 days to get the smile off my buddy Todd’s face. That’s because it was attached to his head, which came off when a 23mm round hit him in the neck and we couldn’t find it right away. The 23mm is also a full auto gun, a big one. I’m sure the guy who was shooting that one enjoyed it all as much as we did; until an F-4 load of napalm landed on his gun, his crew, and him. I wonder if Dana enjoys outdoor cooking?

The only place that could have gone down is Vietnam. Is this a true story?

150 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, May 5, 2013 8:14:35pm

re: #147 Shiplord Kirel

I’m glad Dana got to shoot full-auto. I’ve done some of that. Loads of fun. It took 2 days to get the smile off my buddy Todd’s face. That’s because it was attached to his head, which came off when a 23mm round hit him in the neck and we couldn’t find it right away. The 23mm is also a full auto gun, a big one. I’m sure the guy who was shooting that one enjoyed it all as much as we did; until an F-4 load of napalm landed on his gun, his crew, and him. I wonder if Dana enjoys outdoor cooking?

I did a bit of that wearing Uncle’s green. I never had to do it for real, thankfully.

151 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 5, 2013 8:14:48pm

re: #145 kirkspencer

This report - note date is later than the first - says he is NRA certified. [edited to fix link]

Also see usatoday.com for another recent case.

Peterson technically wasn’t /during/ class. It was going to start soon and he was showing a pistol to his wife.

With the exception of Peterson I’m skipping cases where instructors/students shot themselves or others but not during class.

But you’re doing a nice job of trying to strain gnats. “Never” does not apply. One case should have been sufficient. That I found some within the past few months - not just year - should make the point clearer.

Very well: Instead of ‘never’, the phrase ‘the vast majority of the time shall be used’.

152 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, May 5, 2013 8:20:59pm

re: #149 Dark_Falcon

The only place that could have gone down is Vietnam. Is this a true story?

I would expect so based on way too many other things said here and there, DF.

Some of the most interesting times during my time in Vietnam in 2002 for our adoption was talking to the various vets I met. One fellow working with us was an ARVN NCO, then sent to re-education but released when the Chinese invaded. Both former ARVN & NVA fought side by side then and kicked the Chinese out.

He has since passed but I remember him quite fondly.

153 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, May 5, 2013 8:21:08pm

re: #149 Dark_Falcon

The only place that could have gone down is Vietnam. Is this a true story?

Absolutely. They had 23s, 37s, and 57s (including the tracked twin), around An Loc during the siege. We came under fire from them quite a few times in the air, but this incident happened on the ground.

154 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Sun, May 5, 2013 8:22:55pm

re: #144 William Barnett-Lewis

I remember going squirrel hunting when I was much younger. My family had enough food so I didn’t need to bring home game. .22’s were affordable from my rather minimal allowance.

To make a long story short, I’d sit in the woods and practice my marksmanship by seeing how close I could get to the squirrel without hitting it. There were times when with my bolt action/tube magazine rifle I’d chase a squirrel up the tree with bark fragments urging him on then turn him around and chasing him back to the ground before letting him get away.

Not sure what that says about me, but OTOH, I just couldn’t see killing the critter when we had plenty of beef & chicken (and thus eggs as well) on the farm. I could do what needed be done then but the squirrel was just, somehow, different. Varmints - especially ones that killed the chickens - were a different story.

I killed gophers, squirrels, mice and rabbits with both my rifle and my bow but it was seldom. I preferred targets, whether they were a tree or a fence post or something else. It wasn’t until I hit my early 20s that I decided never to kill anything unless I absolutely had to.

I’ve only purposely killed twice since then, both times when an animal was hit by a car and flopping around in pain.

155 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, May 5, 2013 8:23:59pm

re: #153 Shiplord Kirel

1972?

156 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, May 5, 2013 8:25:17pm

re: #155 William Barnett-Lewis

1972?

That’s it. Arrived in March, left a bit early, in January of ‘73, because of the “peace settlement.”

157 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, May 5, 2013 8:25:26pm

re: #154 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

I get what you’re saying. I can hunt for food - it’s easier these days as I want to feed my son - but yeah, I get what you’re saying.

158 Lidane  Sun, May 5, 2013 8:27:45pm

Speaking of shooting full auto:

159 ProTARDISLiberal  Sun, May 5, 2013 8:29:04pm

re: #152 William Barnett-Lewis

I think I remember you telling me about that when talking about how Vietnam ended up, against all odds, defeating China, a much bigger, better equipped, less war-torn country.

160 The Ghost of a Flea  Sun, May 5, 2013 8:30:57pm

re: #148 Mich-again

The NRA whips up their base by preaching that the basis for the 2nd Amendment was to fight tyranny, but they never define what is meant by tyranny. So to the gun nuts, the term tyranny refers to anything about the government that they don’t like.

As the GOP agenda keeps lurching further out into the weeds, they will lose more elections and the ability to control legislation. When that happens I’m sure they’ll blame their election losses on “tyranny” instead of blaming their own extremism and incompetence.

I really can’t cheer the NRA’s gun safety classes when their rhetoric and lobbying effort is centered around (1) making their audience afraid of the “other” while (2) pushing for laws and a society where their kind of people get to shoot at purported “bad guys”—and the latter are heavily coded as brown, urban, poor, non-conservative and deserving of death—with impunity. I mean, you’re safely using a gun, but your entire sense of entitlement and ethos of manly violence makes you a different kind threat.

I mean, the NRA launched a campaign so that domestic abusers and people with protective orders against them—that’s nuts. It’s pretending that gun violence is never intimate violence, stats be damned.

161 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, May 5, 2013 8:30:58pm

re: #153 Shiplord Kirel

Absolutely. They had 23s, 37s, and 57s (including the tracked twin), around An Loc during the siege. We came under fire from them quite a few times in the air, but this incident happened on the ground.

The 57mm was very scary because it fired big (6 lb.) proximity fused rounds. It looked for all the world like the flak in newsreels from WW2. It was designed to shoot down low-flying B-52s and the like and we were clomping around in Hueys, which were flying beer cans by comparison. Fortunately, it had a very bright and distinctive muzzle flash that was a magnet for every fixed wing asset within several miles.
Bad news while they lasted, though.

162 Mich-again  Sun, May 5, 2013 8:33:28pm

re: #158 Lidane

He was simply exercising his 2nd Amendment right to fight tyranny. That’s why God gave him that gun.

163 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Sun, May 5, 2013 8:33:35pm

re: #157 William Barnett-Lewis

I get what you’re saying. I can hunt for food - it’s easier these days as I want to feed my son - but yeah, I get what you’re saying.

If my only option was to hunt for food, I would have no problem doing so. Nor would I have trouble protecting my family. However, living where I do, I see no need to adopt the belief others are out to get me and load up on firearms. The probability of being attacked in my house, or on the street is far too small to warrant carrying even a knife.

164 Mich-again  Sun, May 5, 2013 8:38:36pm

The statistics are overwhelming that keeping guns around the house makes the inhabitants less safe, not more safe. The people who try to sell the notion that guns make your family safer have to rely on anecdotes for their argument, not facts or data.

Its similar to the person who knew someone years ago who died in a car accident because they were wearing their seat belt and they might have lived if they weren’t wearing the belt, so now they are convinced seat belts are dangerous.

165 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, May 5, 2013 8:39:12pm

re: #159 ProBosniaLiberal

I think I remember you telling me about that when talking about how Vietnam ended up, against all odds, defeating China, a much bigger, better equipped, less war-torn country.

Less war torn but 1) eaten up by the Cultural Revolution BS and 2) No combat experience since Korea. Plus a millennium of hate & distrust of China by those living where we call Vietnam.

Good overview of the ‘79 war here: en.wikipedia.org

166 Targetpractice  Sun, May 5, 2013 8:44:49pm

re: #164 Mich-again

The statistics are overwhelming that keeping guns around the house makes the inhabitants less safe, not more safe. The people who try to sell the notion that guns make your family safer have to rely on anecdotes for their argument, not facts or data.

Its similar to the person who knew someone years ago who died in a car accident because they were wearing their seat belt and they might have lived if they weren’t wearing the belt, so now they are convinced seat belts are dangerous.

“My buddy’s grandfather lived to be 92 and he smoked like a chimney! How can that be if cigarettes kill you?!”

167 Stanghazi  Sun, May 5, 2013 8:45:11pm

Mad Men was awesome tonight. I think the car account they got (not named, but Chevy 1968) was the Camaro.

And with that I’m out.

168 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, May 5, 2013 8:48:05pm

re: #161 Shiplord Kirel

The 57mm was very scary because it fired big (6 lb.) proximity fused rounds. It looked for all the world like the flak in newsreels from WW2. It was designed to shoot down low-flying B-52s and the like and we were clomping around in Hueys, which were flying beer cans by comparison. Fortunately, it had a very bright and distinctive muzzle flash that was a magnet for every fixed wing asset within several miles.
Bad news while they lasted, though.

I was in the guard in the late 80’s - in an Infantry BN scout platoon. We were practicing helicopter insertions and at that point we still had Huey’s. Our young gung-ho LT told the “old” CW4 to fly it like it was real…

I’ll never forget that ride - I did actually get hit by leaves off of a tree - and I’ll give the LT credit as despite how green he got, he didn’t spew.

169 Mich-again  Sun, May 5, 2013 8:50:49pm

re: #166 Targetpractice

“My buddy’s grandfather lived to be 92 and he smoked like a chimney! How can that be if cigarettes kill you?!”

Exactly. You can always find an anecdote that will counter science and statistics. Hey its snowing in May! Global warming is a hoax!

170 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Sun, May 5, 2013 8:54:46pm

re: #169 Mich-again

Exactly. You can always find an anecdote that will counter science and statistics. Hey its snowing in May! Global warming is a hoax!

That’s because a lot of science deals in complex systems that fluctuate about a norm, or an outright chaotic system fluctuating about a ‘strange attractor.’

171 ProTARDISLiberal  Sun, May 5, 2013 8:57:43pm

re: #165 William Barnett-Lewis

Vietnam has quite an impressive history in War.

The fact the US fought North Vietnam to a draw should be considered impressive for both sides.

172 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, May 5, 2013 9:00:04pm

re: #171 ProBosniaLiberal

Vietnam has quite an impressive history in War.

The fact the US fought North Vietnam to a draw should be considered impressive for both sides.

Interesting bit of insight there.

173 ProTARDISLiberal  Sun, May 5, 2013 9:02:17pm

re: #172 William Barnett-Lewis

Tomorrow, I will write a review of the most recent episode of Doctor Who, and how the show seems to be evolving.

174 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Sun, May 5, 2013 9:05:49pm

Tomorrow I shall write a review of people who write reviews.

175 Gus  Sun, May 5, 2013 9:10:46pm

Punches wall computer starts all over again.

176 klys  Sun, May 5, 2013 9:26:14pm

re: #108 Stanley Sea

I am not against correct usage in any way, but back to that photo…it just screams to me that the parent is flexing the power of their rights onto their kids.

The closest I have ever come to shooting a gun is a BB gun. I think I was 10. At some point, I would like to shoot so that I have some feel for what it is.

At the same time, I have watched my grandfather and uncle chew out one of my cousins for accidentally pointing a rifle at someone, when they were taking shots at a raccoon that had been harassing the house. He’s been shooting since he was much younger than I was when laying hands on a BB gun for the first time (and indeed, was older than that at the time of the incident) and goes hunting each year with his dad.

Of course, all I have to offer on this topic is anecdotal evidence. But both incidents have occurred in a family where treating guns with respect goes almost without saying - and is said anyway. I have no idea where my grandfather’s hunting rifle is, but my money is on a gun safe. The gun in that house is for deer hunting, and that’s because my grandparents eat venison.

Kids are kids. You can offer all the instruction you want, but there’s a reason we don’t try children for murder as adults and it has to do with the brain not being fully developed. If a parent wants to offer some shooting experience in an extremely closely supervised session with all appropriate protection (and that does include hearing protection in my book, as someone with tinnitus due to an incident with a set of speakers when I was 3), then fine. But by no means should a child be playing with the gun as a toy ever.

177 freetoken  Sun, May 5, 2013 9:45:54pm

We seem to be having some technical difficulties with the Show Top Rated Pages function.

178 Lidane  Sun, May 5, 2013 10:01:24pm
179 Charles Johnson  Sun, May 5, 2013 10:02:39pm

re: #177 freetoken

We seem to be having some technical difficulties with the Show Top Rated Pages function.

Now fixed.

180 AlexRogan  Sun, May 5, 2013 10:21:03pm

re: #178 Lidane

What a stupid fucking asshole.

181 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, May 5, 2013 10:47:04pm

re: #13 Dark_Falcon

An unsuccessful assasination attempt - you mean good guys with guns stopping a criminal?

I thought that was what the NRA are all about.

182 AlexRogan  Sun, May 5, 2013 11:45:49pm

Here’s a bit of a mindfuck:

183 Amory Blaine  Mon, May 6, 2013 12:05:43am

re: #174 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

Tomorrow I shall write a review of people who write reviews.

Please post in Pages. We’d like to review it.

184 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, May 6, 2013 12:13:55am

re: #183 Amory Blaine

Please post in Pages. We’d like to review it.

We will then do a review of people who review reviewers

185 freetoken  Mon, May 6, 2013 12:43:44am
186 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, May 6, 2013 12:45:00am

flatline thread back on the FT drip

187 freetoken  Mon, May 6, 2013 1:06:28am
188 freetoken  Mon, May 6, 2013 1:30:01am

Want to hear about the development of India’s ferro-alloys industry?

No, I didn’t think so either.

Thus, we’ll continue with Rachmaninov’s All Night Vigil:

189 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Mon, May 6, 2013 1:54:18am

re: #116 Political Atheist

Which of course only shows the need for the safety classes. Often developed & run by the NRA.

No, it really doesn’t. A lot of people won’t benefit from the classes, or will forget them quickly. Classes are good, but they’re not transformative, and blind faith in them is foolish.

190 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, May 6, 2013 2:20:38am

re: #189 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts

No, it really doesn’t. A lot of people won’t benefit from the classes, or will forget them quickly. Classes are good, but they’re not transformative, and blind faith in them is foolish.

The classes are just eyewash, the true message is that guns are a magic talisman that will protect good guys against criminals and tyrants.

191 sagehen  Mon, May 6, 2013 2:21:37am

U.N. has testimony that Syrian rebels used sarin gas: investigator

U.N. human rights investigators have gathered testimony from casualties of Syria’s civil war and medical staff indicating that rebel forces have used the nerve agent sarin, one of the lead investigators said on Sunday.

The United Nations independent commission of inquiry on Syria has not yet seen evidence of government forces having used chemical weapons, which are banned under international law, said commission member Carla Del Ponte.

“Our investigators have been in neighboring countries interviewing victims, doctors and field hospitals and, according to their report of last week which I have seen, there are strong, concrete suspicions but not yet incontrovertible proof of the use of sarin gas, from the way the victims were treated,” Del Ponte said in an interview with Swiss-Italian television.

“This was use on the part of the opposition, the rebels, not by the government authorities,” she added, speaking in Italian.

hmmm…

192 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 6, 2013 4:27:25am

Dumb wingnut PWN3D by fake story:

193 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 6, 2013 4:28:52am
194 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, May 6, 2013 4:39:38am

re: #191 sagehen

U.N. has testimony that Syrian rebels used sarin gas: investigator

hmmm…

This actually makes a lot of sense. The Assad gang would have everything to lose, and practically nothing to gain, from a chemical weapons release, especially on the small scale so far alleged. The rebels, on the other hand, would have little fear of western intervention. They are a loose and very diverse coalition of different groups. It would be very difficult to locate and identify the actual perpetrators, let alone attack them. A rebel group that had managed to acquire such weapons might well believe they could be safely used to gain a tactical advantage in some crucial situation.

195 Decatur Deb  Mon, May 6, 2013 4:44:28am

re: #193 Vicious Babushka

VB—unless some idiot managed to do it again, that shooting is a year or two old.

196 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 6, 2013 4:45:17am

re: #195 Decatur Deb

VB—unless some idiot managed to do it again, that shooting is a year or two old.

Oops, just checked, it is from 2008.

Note to self: read before reTweeting.

197 Decatur Deb  Mon, May 6, 2013 4:46:03am

re: #194 Shiplord Kirel

This actually makes a lot of sense. The Assad gang would have everything to lose, and practically nothing to gain, from a chemical weapons release, especially on the small scale so far alleged. The rebels, on the other hand, would have little fear of western intervention. They are a loose and very diverse coalition of different groups. It would be very difficult to locate and identify the actual perpetrators, let alone attack them. A rebel group that had managed to acquire such weapons might well believe they could be safely used to gain a tactical advantage in some crucial situation.

Still sounds hinky—It’s not likely the rebels (or even the gendarmes) are really up to speed on MOPP.

198 A Mom Anon  Mon, May 6, 2013 5:15:56am

re: #176 klys

Which is why pink and blue and purple(or whatever)color guns marketed to children is idiotic at the least. THEY LOOK LIKE TOYS, full stop. A gun should not resemble a toy, that sends a disastrous mixed message to a little kid. A gun should never look like it’s a My Little Pony accessory, it should look like a weapon.

199 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 6, 2013 5:20:41am

re: #198 A Mom Anon

Which is why pink and blue and purple(or whatever)color guns marketed to children is idiotic at the least. THEY LOOK LIKE TOYS, full stop. A gun should not resemble a toy, that sends a disastrous mixed message to a little kid. A gun should never look like it’s a My Little Pony accessory, it should look like a weapon.

I don’t have a problem with toy guns as long as they don’t shoot anything lethal.

200 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 6, 2013 5:35:11am

PWN3D

201 A Mom Anon  Mon, May 6, 2013 5:35:55am

re: #189 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts

I hate to keep using my neighbors to make this point, but it’s so easy.

This particular family has lived on the land they own for at least 3 generations. My property used to be part of the big farm they owned, they now own a much smaller piece of land their self proclaimed”compound” sits on. They crow quite often about the gun safety classes all of them have taken.I get the whole hunting mentality, especially as part of a family history, but that usually helps promote respect for guns on some level at least. Fine, but it doesn’t account for kids being kids and not having a clue as to what’s dangerous. For example:

1) When they were 8 and 9 I caught two of the boys(now out of high school, around my son’s age) shooting their guns at the ground at fire ant mounds. The soil here is nothing but rocks and clay, great opportunity for a bullet to ricochet.

2)Same kids, a few years later on the 4th of July got run off by my Husband for shooting fireworks DIRECTLY AT US from outside our 6 ft tall privacy fence.

3)When all the boys were around 12 yrs old, they took my son to a gun safe, opened it, tried to get him to take a shotgun and shoot out windows. My son ran home and told me. I confronted the neighbor who told me my son was lying because the kids didn’t have the safe combination. My son had never seen a gun before and actually drew me a picture of the shotgun shells and the box they came in. He wasn’t lying.

4)I recently found a hunting arrow in my vegetable garden. As I said before I have a 6 ft privacy fence around our backyard. That means someone shot over the fence on purpose.

These are people who claim they’ve had extensive safety training and practice, I shudder to think what they’d be like without it. Maybe some of that training ought to include some “guns don’t make you invincible and you can actually kill people if you’re an idiot” lessons too. The local cops won’t do much about this either, believe me, I’ve talked to them numerous times.

202 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Mon, May 6, 2013 5:37:32am

re: #201 A Mom Anon

They probably have had training. They just disregard it. Lots of people do, with lots of kinds of training. People: highly problematic.

203 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, May 6, 2013 5:38:09am

re: #199 Vicious Babushka

I don’t have a problem with toy guns as long as they don’t shoot anything lethal.

I think part of the issue is that toy guns are generally colored bright colors (and IIRC even the black-colored ones contain bright orange parts as a default nowadays.) And if there are also “normal” guns about in bright colors then at that point law enforcement is basically going to simply react to a shape that says “gun” without considering color. Though it seems they already do that now in a lot of places.

If anything, the threat might be to adults/children used to the bright color indicates “toy” association who fall to properly react to it actually being a weapon. Which indicates a need to break the color => toy association without an unnecessary casualty count first.

204 A Mom Anon  Mon, May 6, 2013 5:39:40am

re: #199 Vicious Babushka

Not a fan of the toy gun really, but I was referring to the actual ones that are marketed to kids. You want your kid to have a junior sized rifle, fine, but make it look real then because it is real. A kid seeing a pink or fun colored gun is going to associate that with a toy, not the real deal. Those little Crickett rifles are not toys, even though they could easily be mistake for one.

205 lawhawk  Mon, May 6, 2013 5:49:43am

re: #200 Vicious Babushka

And Colin Powell was GWB’s Secretary of State (2001-2005).

206 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 6, 2013 5:51:12am

re: #205 lawhawk

And Colin Powell was GWB’s Secretary of State (2001-2005).

RINO!!11!!

207 lawhawk  Mon, May 6, 2013 5:52:10am
208 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 6, 2013 5:59:29am
209 iossarian  Mon, May 6, 2013 7:02:32am

The thread - it’s dead!

BUT NO

It lives…

210 Bubblehead II  Mon, May 6, 2013 7:06:19am

Morning Lizards.

211 lawhawk  Mon, May 6, 2013 7:14:50am

Marketplace Fairness Act poised to pass the Senate, and may have enough support in the House to see it passed.

The bill doesn’t impose new taxes, or impose an Internet sales tax. It clarifies how retailers must collect and remit taxes already imposed by the 46 states that have a state sales tax. If you’re a brick and mortar retailer in a state, you already collect sales tax. If you’re a .com company and have a physical presence in another state, that company is also collecting sales tax.

This bill would clarify the situation for companies that don’t have physical presence (aka nexus) with the taxing state. Quill v. North Dakota said that states can’t require out-of-state sellers to collect and remit taxes unless they’ve got a substantial nexus with the state (physical presence being one way that’s achieved). States have tried to come up with a way to meet the Quill requirements, but it’s a fact-based analysis and troublesome for both states and retailers. Even the Supreme Court had sought to get Congress to address the issue in Quill.

This bill goes a long way to fixing the problem, though there are details to address - how to make it easier for small businesses to comply or exempt them from the requirement (like those making $1 million or less in annual sales). A company like Amazon has already decided it’s in their interest to support the plan since they’re intent on being a same-day delivery service in many parts of the country (requiring warehouses throughout). EBay is fighting it because the majority of their sellers aren’t large enough (though I think eBay could figure out how to collect tax on the sellers’ behalf).

212 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 6, 2013 7:17:55am

STAY CLASSY, ANN

213 lawhawk  Mon, May 6, 2013 7:20:22am

re: #212 Vicious Babushka

GOP/socon/conservative rebranding at work

214 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, May 6, 2013 7:22:30am

re: #211 lawhawk

I’m sure E-bay will also figure out how to charge an additional processing fee for handling the tax charge as well.

215 Dr. Matt  Mon, May 6, 2013 7:24:01am

Florida 13-year-old shoots 6-year-old sister playing hide-and-seek

And remember, the NRA recommends arming children.

216 Bubblehead II  Mon, May 6, 2013 7:44:17am

Lovely. Some how got infected with the zeroaccess!inf4 bug. Time to nuke the computer.

217 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 6, 2013 7:46:18am

DERP

218 iossarian  Mon, May 6, 2013 7:46:59am

re: #212 Vicious Babushka

STAY CLASSY, ANN

That’s awesome. Democrat makes statement that could possibly be twisted by Republicans to make Dems look hypocritical on race.

Republicans respond by hyping their own ever-present caustic racism!

Talk about leading with the chin.

219 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 6, 2013 7:56:28am
220 darthstar  Mon, May 6, 2013 8:02:13am

Fuck.

rawstory.com

I know this shit happens all the time…but not in other countries where guns aren’t sacred.

221 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Mon, May 6, 2013 8:05:41am

re: #212 Vicious Babushka

STAY CLASSY, ANN

You use that word, “stay”. I don’t think that word means what you think it means.

222 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 6, 2013 8:08:03am
223 darthstar  Mon, May 6, 2013 8:11:33am
224 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 6, 2013 8:12:38am

Symptoms of “being terrified by” include rolling on the floor, laughing uncontrollably.

225 darthstar  Mon, May 6, 2013 8:16:35am
226 lawhawk  Mon, May 6, 2013 8:16:47am

re: #223 darthstar

I’ve got to check my back of the napkin calculations, but I believe that it’s in the neighborhood of 1.75 quadrillion strips of gold pressed latinum. /

227 darthstar  Mon, May 6, 2013 8:18:49am

re: #226 lawhawk

I’ve got to check my back of the napkin calculations, but I believe that it’s in the neighborhood of 1.75 quadrillion strips of gold pressed latinum. /

“Wow, that’s a lot of clams!”
—Fred Flintstone.

228 darthstar  Mon, May 6, 2013 8:22:36am

Okay…had to google, but yes, there is a wiki page for anyone interested in fictional currencies, and for only 10 Flanian Pobble Beads, I’ll share it with you.

229 iossarian  Mon, May 6, 2013 8:25:30am

re: #228 darthstar

Okay…had to google, but yes, there is a wiki page for anyone interested in fictional currencies, and for only 10 Flanian Pobble Beads, I’ll share it with you.

It’s Ningis or nothing here.

230 darthstar  Mon, May 6, 2013 8:26:59am

re: #229 iossarian

It’s Ningis or nothing here.

Fine…got change for a Pu?

231 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 6, 2013 8:31:00am
232 iossarian  Mon, May 6, 2013 8:31:05am

re: #230 darthstar

Fine…got change for a Pu?

Share and Enjoy!

233 lawhawk  Mon, May 6, 2013 8:35:47am

re: #230 darthstar

Fine…got change for a Pu?

I would, but you’re going to need the appropriate level of shielding for Pu. Kinda hazardous to your health. I’d suggest Altairian dollars and cents instead.

234 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 6, 2013 8:39:04am
235 DisturbedEma  Mon, May 6, 2013 8:42:55am

re: #225 darthstar

A large breasted dummy that bleeds…Gottenyu!

236 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 6, 2013 8:45:25am

First 3D-printed gun fired

Creator Defense Distributed said that the 3D-printed handgun, called the Liberator, was successfully fired in its first test at a firing range south of Austin, Texas.

Fifteen parts of the gun are made from ABS heat-resistant plastic, while the firing pin is metal in order to be picked up by metal detectors and make it legal under US law.

The handgun is capable of firing standard handgun rounds and the blueprints for the weapon are available to download from the internet.

Footage of the test shows 25-year-old university student Cody Wilson firing the gun at a target. The student spent eight months creating the gun.

What could possibly go wrong?

237 FemNaziBitch  Mon, May 6, 2013 8:55:29am

Republican Jesus™

Republican Jesus™ totally hates Liberals. Liberals are the pawns of Satan George Soros trying to destroy the greatest country ever made on this 6000 year old planet (conservative moderates are almost as bad and must be expunged!). Compromising with a Liberal is a terrible sin in the eyes of Republican Jesus™ and must not be tolerated.

How is it today?

238 Political Atheist  Mon, May 6, 2013 8:56:51am

re: #236 NJDhockeyfan

Reminds me of zip guns. Hey print me a gun for $10 and I can sell it for $100 at a buy back! //

cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com

239 FemNaziBitch  Mon, May 6, 2013 8:57:21am

re: #228 darthstar

Okay…had to google, but yes, there is a wiki page for anyone interested in fictional currencies, and for only 10 Flanian Pobble Beads, I’ll share it with you.

Wait, on Star Trek, it is Gold-Plated Latinum. no?

240 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 6, 2013 8:58:32am
241 Bulworth  Mon, May 6, 2013 8:58:53am

re: #224 Vicious Babushka

Actually I’m all in favor of promoting the idea that “the Left” is terrified of Cruz. Please procede, RWNJ. In fact, we’re also terribly terrified of Sarah Palin, Herman Cain, Michelle Bachmann, Rick Santorum and Rand Paul. //

242 FemNaziBitch  Mon, May 6, 2013 9:00:51am

re: #225 darthstar

WTF?

243 FemNaziBitch  Mon, May 6, 2013 9:05:49am

re: #178 Lidane

None. What good would a gun have done if you don’t know what your target looks like or where they are?

Stupid fucking statement.

244 Christopher's Bitchins  Mon, May 6, 2013 9:08:19am

re: #223 darthstar

That’s a whole lotta Schrute Bucks. Even more Stanley Nickels.

245 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 6, 2013 9:10:30am

Led Zeppelin’s Robert Plant ‘gets restraining order against crazed fan’

LED Zeppelin frontman Robert Plant has taken out a restraining order against a crazed fan after she bombarded him with threatening messages, it is reported.

The rock legend, 64, is even said to have hired a security team in the wake of intensifying harassment from the deluded groupie.

Plant’s alleged stalker, named as Alysson Billings, believes she is in a relationship with the Whole Lotta Love singer, despite never having met him.

Billings has reportedly been harassing Plant for three years – showing up at his concerts worldwide, leaving him hotel keys and sending flowers and random packages.

But her stalking campaign apparently took a turn for the worse after Plant hooked up with his new girlfriend, US folk singer Patty Griffin.

246 Decatur Deb  Mon, May 6, 2013 9:28:51am

re: #240 NJDhockeyfan

Take the last one of them from his deathbed.

248 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, May 6, 2013 9:31:26am

re: #241 Bulworth

Actually I’m all in favor of promoting the idea that “the Left” is terrified of Cruz. Please procede, RWNJ. In fact, we’re also terribly terrified of Sarah Palin, Herman Cain, Michelle Bachmann, Rick Santorum and Rand Paul. //

James Carville is doing just that…saying how he “admires” Cruz’ style although he does not agree with him.

Are these nitwits really dense enough to fall for a Machiavellian ploy like that?

249 gwangung  Mon, May 6, 2013 9:33:54am

re: #248 Sol Berdinowitz

James Carville is doing just that…saying how he “admires” Cruz’ style although he does not agree with him.

Are these nitwits really dense enough to fall for a Machiavellian ploy like that?

Pretty much, yeah.

250 Decatur Deb  Mon, May 6, 2013 9:34:17am

re: #248 Sol Berdinowitz

James Carville is doing just that…saying how he “admires” Cruz’ style although he does not agree with him.

Are these nitwits really dense enough to fall for a Machiavellian ploy like that?

Magic 8-ball says: “Yes”.

251 bratwurst  Mon, May 6, 2013 9:35:57am

re: #250 Decatur Deb

Magic 8-ball says: “Yes”.

We’d better double check that:

Image: 8ballyes.jpg

252 jaunte  Mon, May 6, 2013 9:37:32am

re: #248 Sol Berdinowitz

James Carville is doing just that…saying how he “admires” Cruz’ style although he does not agree with him.

Are these nitwits really dense enough to fall for a Machiavellian ploy like that?

Absolutely.

253 iossarian  Mon, May 6, 2013 9:39:25am

I am afraid of Ted Cruz.

Afraid that his self-satisfied sense of smug superiority will collapse in on itself, creating a derpfield so dense that no intelligent thought is possible within a 50-mile radius of the US Senate.

254 jaunte  Mon, May 6, 2013 9:41:02am

“Please, Brer Fox, please don’t throw me into the Cruz patch.”

255 kirkspencer  Mon, May 6, 2013 9:43:25am

re: #236 NJDhockeyfan

First 3D-printed gun fired

What could possibly go wrong?

First, the liberator is single shot. Between shots either a new bullet or a new barrel containing a new bullet needs loaded. In the FYI department Wilson tested the barrel on a standard pistol and it lasted for 10 shots.

In the fwiw department, Wilson used a used Stratasys 768 SST printer. Those are going for about $15,000 when they come up on ebay. In comparison to “consumer” quality printers (Cube/Cubex, Makerbot, etc) it can get a little finer vertical resolution (0.05mm vs 0.1mm), has about the same horizontal resolution (0.2mm pretty much all around), and has a heated chamber. The last is kinda nifty: the SST heats the chamber to between 150 and 180 F (actual depends on plastic used) which results in a more certain weld between applied layers. On the other hand, if you buy a CubeX and put a heat-bulb and thermostat in its chamber you can achieve the same results.

I haven’t been able to find (yet) how much plastic the liberator uses. If I assume it’s ~750 grams I can use the CubeX cartridge(s) as baseline (that’s the rough quantity per cartridge). I’d use the ABS entirely, and I’d use about 1/3 of a PLA cartridge for the supports. PLA dissolves in a sodium hydroxide (lye) solution with the optimum strength being around 3.5 moles. (No significant gain in speed for stronger solutions.)

CubeX cartridges cost $99 each, so that’s a bit less than $133 each. I can use a modification (risks warranty) to use alternative ABS and PLA off a spool. If I purchase that it’s going to cost ~$45 per kg, making the cost of the pistol around $45. If I go the extra mile and download and build or purchase a filament maker (~$299), ABS and PLA pellets run around $5-$6 per kg, making each of these pistols cost around $6 each. Assuming, again, ~3/4 kg each.

Cost of pistol excludes proportional cost of machine. The duo head Cubex (needed to apply both ABS and PLA) can be gotten for $3,500, though you should expect retail at closer to $4,000.

256 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 6, 2013 9:43:27am

DERP. G-D these people are so freaking stupid.

257 Bulworth  Mon, May 6, 2013 9:47:06am

re: #248 Sol Berdinowitz

I’m also petrified terrified of Tim Pawlenty and Newt Gingrich. /

BTW, has Pawlenty been heard from this year? Has he been heard from since last August’s RNC?

258 Lidane  Mon, May 6, 2013 9:49:11am

re: #257 Bulworth

BTW, has Pawlenty been heard from this year? Has he been heard from since last August’s RNC?

He was found recently at an IKEA store. It turns out you really can blend into the furniture.

259 iossarian  Mon, May 6, 2013 9:51:12am

re: #258 Lidane

He was found recently at an IKEA store. It turns out you really can blend into the furniture.

Haha. ZING.

I was in Austin last weekend BTW. Cool place although we were pretty much confined to the UT Campus (NTTAWWT).

260 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 6, 2013 9:52:26am

DERP

261 efuseakay  Mon, May 6, 2013 9:52:53am

re: #259 iossarian

Haha. ZING.

I was in Austin last weekend BTW. Cool place although we were pretty much confined to the UT Campus (NTTAWWT).

Bummer. No time to sneak out to 6th Street? You should go back. ;)

262 wrenchwench  Mon, May 6, 2013 9:53:34am

We had a little rain last night!

Last week there was so much dust in the air, visibility was about 2 blocks. Now the air is clean and all the trees are rinsed off, it looks like a new world.

263 kirkspencer  Mon, May 6, 2013 9:54:48am

re: #260 Vicious Babushka

What they’re dismissing your post over is that “none of those deaths were Americans.” Because only Americans matter.

Take up the White Man’s burden—
Send forth the best ye breed—
Go, bind your sons to exile
To serve your captives’ need;
To wait, in heavy harness,
On fluttered folk and wild—
Your new-caught sullen peoples,
Half devil and half child.

264 iossarian  Mon, May 6, 2013 9:56:49am

re: #261 efuseakay

Bummer. No time to sneak out to 6th Street? You should go back. ;)

They kept us on a pretty tight leash schedule-wise. That’s the entitled, lazy public sector for you!

265 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 6, 2013 9:57:02am

That’s right, change the subject.

266 Lidane  Mon, May 6, 2013 9:57:13am

The Monday morning wingnut-palooza has started:

267 Lidane  Mon, May 6, 2013 9:59:21am

re: #259 iossarian

I was in Austin last weekend BTW. Cool place although we were pretty much confined to the UT Campus (NTTAWWT).

I love it, but they’re starting to get obnoxious with all the condos and hotels going up. Now they’re going to completely move one of the best bars on Rainey Street to make room for another overpriced highrise. Blah.

268 Stanghazi  Mon, May 6, 2013 9:59:55am

Ha! Must report that reading the mad men recaps this am I was soooooo wrong with the Chevy account they landed. Not the camaro. The VEGA. Oops.

269 Bulworth  Mon, May 6, 2013 10:01:59am

re: #265 Vicious Babushka

Gosnell is the abortion doctor on trial for killing newborns which means we should outlaw all abortions and ban contraceptives. //

270 iossarian  Mon, May 6, 2013 10:02:08am

re: #267 Lidane

I love it, but they’re starting to get obnoxious with all the condos and hotels going up. Now they’re going to completely move one of the best bars on Rainey Street to make room for another overpriced highrise. Blah.

Keep Austin Weird!

I did see a LOT of construction on the way in from the airport.

271 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 6, 2013 10:03:40am

re: #269 Bulworth

Gosnell is the abortion doctor on trial for killing newborns which means we should outlaw all abortions and ban contraceptives. //

GOSNELL IS OBAMAZ HERO!!11!!!

272 FemNaziBitch  Mon, May 6, 2013 10:09:11am

THE DAY COFFEE STOPPED WORKING

“Hmm?” said the President, looking up from his coffee. Then he remembered. “Oh, as I was saying, in the near future, coffee is going to lose its characteristic effects. It’ll still be around, it just won’t work on us.”

Two people committed suicide right then and there.

273 lawhawk  Mon, May 6, 2013 10:10:44am

The Original Nathan’s location in Coney Island has been closed since Sandy struck just over 6 months ago as the ocean flooded the building and turned Surf Avenue into surf (complete with sand too). Owners have vowed to rebuild and reopen before the summer season as well as to host the annual hot dog eating contest on July 4. Those plans may have taken a hit.

Today, a fire hit the iconic storefront while construction was underway. No word on the damage or whether it will further delay rebuilding/reopening efforts.

274 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, May 6, 2013 10:11:12am

re: #266 Lidane

“Pat Robertson says gays, just like murderers and rapists, can change their orientation”

Because to people like Pt and Rick Santorum, these are all sins and abominations unto God and should be outlawed to avoid bringing down his wrath.

The concept of “consenting adults” does not apply when God is offended.

275 FemNaziBitch  Mon, May 6, 2013 10:11:35am

re: #262 wrenchwench

We had a little rain last night!

Last week there was so much dust in the air, visibility was about 2 blocks. Now the air is clean and all the trees are rinsed off, it looks like a new world.

There was so much mud at the Derby that at the finish line the horses and jockeys looked as thought they’d been 4-wheeling!

276 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 6, 2013 10:12:11am

The Derpers are swarming. WTF:

277 FemNaziBitch  Mon, May 6, 2013 10:12:38am

re: #269 Bulworth

Gosnell is the abortion doctor on trial for killing newborns which means we should outlaw all abortions and ban contraceptives. //

OH, I thought it meant we should outlaw doctors and private practices.

:0

278 lawhawk  Mon, May 6, 2013 10:15:07am

FBI busts another homegrown terror suspect. Molotov cocktails, pipe bombs and at least one firearm were recovered from the home. And is it surprising the guy had a felony record and shouldn’t have been in possession of any firearms?

Buford Rogers, 24, was arrested Friday and charged with one count of being a felon in possession of a firearm. He remains in federal custody and it is not clear if he has an attorney.

In a news release Monday, the FBI said it believes “the lives of several local residents were potentially saved” by the search and arrest. The agency said the terror plot was in its “planning stages” and was discovered through analysis of intelligence gathered by local, state and federal authorities. The statement doesn’t offer further details about the extent or manner of the alleged plot.

“Cooperation between the FBI and its federal, state, and local partners enabled law enforcement to prevent a potential tragedy in Montevideo,” Christopher Warrener, the special agent in charge of the FBI office in Minneapolis, said in Monday’s release.

According to a federal affidavit obtained by The Associated Press on Friday, FBI agents from the domestic terrorism squad searched the property at the mobile home park in Montevideo and discovered the Molotov cocktails, suspected pipe bombs and firearms. The affidavit said Buford was there at the time of the search, and one firearm recovered from Buford’s residence was a Romanian AKM assault rifle.

In an interview with authorities, Rogers admitted firing the weapon on two separate occasions at a gun range in Granite Falls, the affidavit said. Rogers has a past conviction for felony burglary and is not allowed to have a firearm.

279 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 6, 2013 10:15:21am

GEEZ.

280 Bulworth  Mon, May 6, 2013 10:15:21am

re: #276 Vicious Babushka

Deep thoughts….

281 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 6, 2013 10:16:04am

They think they can drown me in Teh Stupid.

282 efuseakay  Mon, May 6, 2013 10:18:11am

re: #267 Lidane

I love it, but they’re starting to get obnoxious with all the condos and hotels going up. Now they’re going to completely move one of the best bars on Rainey Street to make room for another overpriced highrise. Blah.

Hey, I have a condo in Austin… WHY I OUGHTA!!!!!!!!!

283 KettleKat  Mon, May 6, 2013 10:20:10am

re: #65 Tigger2

The wingnut definition of patriot is “What we are, and they are not”. It means nothing more.

284 Lidane  Mon, May 6, 2013 10:23:26am

re: #282 efuseakay

Hey, I have a condo in Austin… WHY I OUGHTA!!!!!!!!!

There’s nothing wrong with having a condo in Austin. I’d love to own one instead of renting a duplex.

HOWEVER, screwing with the bars on Rainey Street for a new set of condos and forcing the SoCo food trailers to move to make room for another hotel irks me.

285 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, May 6, 2013 10:23:30am

re: #283 KettleKat

The wingnut definition of patriot is “What we are, and they are not”. It means nothing more.

the same definition they apply to “Christian”

286 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, May 6, 2013 10:26:53am

re: #285 Sol Berdinowitz

the same definition they apply to “Christian”

Seems to apply to their definition of “citizen”, “human being”, and “logic” as well.

287 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 6, 2013 10:27:05am

re: #283 KettleKat

The wingnut definition of patriot is “What we are, and they are not”. It means nothing more.

They are so insulated in their little echo chamber, they think all their derp conspiracy shit it TEH TROOF!!11!! and anyone who contradicts them is SPEWING PROPAGANDA & DISINFORMATION!!11!!1111TY

288 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 6, 2013 10:27:44am

re: #286 Feline Fearless Leader

Seems to apply to their definition of “citizen”, “human being”, and “logic” as well.

AND TRUTH!!!! AND FACTS!!!111

289 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, May 6, 2013 10:27:56am

Sigh.

Cat has figured out that it’s “fun” to bat at the toilet paper dispenser and watch the neat white fluffy paper unroll into a pile on the floor. After which it can be rolled on and scratched at.

:(

290 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 6, 2013 10:28:51am

re: #286 Feline Fearless Leader

Seems to apply to their definition of “citizen”, “human being”, and “logic” as well.

291 erik_t  Mon, May 6, 2013 10:31:23am

re: #290 Vicious Babushka

Clean-up on aisle brain.

292 Lidane  Mon, May 6, 2013 10:31:53am
293 Political Atheist  Mon, May 6, 2013 10:34:10am

re: #289 Feline Fearless Leader

Sigh.

Cat has figured out that it’s “fun” to bat at the toilet paper dispenser and watch the neat white fluffy paper unroll into a pile on the floor. After which it can be rolled on and scratched at.

:(

We had a cat do that while we were away at work. we came home to a “winter wonderland” of what looked like snow in our living room and hallway. Oh and a very sleepy very worn out kitten.

294 FemNaziBitch  Mon, May 6, 2013 10:34:35am

after lunch cuteness break!

and I’m gone.

have a good one all!

295 wrenchwench  Mon, May 6, 2013 10:36:44am

re: #294 FemNaziBitch

after lunch cuteness break!

and I’m gone.

have a good one all!

Do I have to have lunch before I click on that? I’m not hungry yet…

296 klys  Mon, May 6, 2013 10:37:03am

re: #279 Vicious Babushka

If she won’t fight with uninformed minions, that explains why she gets along with TGDN so well?

297 Kaessa  Mon, May 6, 2013 10:37:04am

re: #276 Vicious Babushka

Ur moto:BlameBush So if Bush had killed ur dog i guessit would b more accepted if Obama killed ur dog and ate it?

WTF does that even mean?

298 Bubblehead II  Mon, May 6, 2013 10:37:51am

Well that was fun… Not

299 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 6, 2013 10:38:52am

SNOAPS IS TEH SOROS BUT RANDOM FAKE QUOTES & PHOTOSHOPS ARE TEH TROOFS!!11!!


300 Kaessa  Mon, May 6, 2013 10:39:18am

re: #289 Feline Fearless Leader

Sigh.

Cat has figured out that it’s “fun” to bat at the toilet paper dispenser and watch the neat white fluffy paper unroll into a pile on the floor. After which it can be rolled on and scratched at.

:(

Turn the roll around. They can’t unroll it then.

/voice of experience ;)

301 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, May 6, 2013 10:39:54am

re: #293 Political Atheist

We had a cat do that while we were away at work. we came home to a “winter wonderland” of what looked like snow in our living room and hallway. Oh and a very sleepy very worn out kitten.

She also nipped off the top inch or so of my pea seedlings (were about 3” tall). That planter was moved and hopefully walled off enough she won’t get to it. Will have to see if the peas recover, and hope she doesn’t shift her attention to the other plants.

She goes to the vet tomorrow for her shots. So I might ask about behaviors at that point. She is a bit more a of neurotic mess than her roommate. He’s goofy, but just isn’t as destructive.

302 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, May 6, 2013 10:40:16am

re: #300 Kaessa

Turn the roll around. They can’t unroll it then.

/voice of experience ;)

Did that after I re-rolled it.

303 klys  Mon, May 6, 2013 10:41:01am

re: #289 Feline Fearless Leader

Sigh.

Cat has figured out that it’s “fun” to bat at the toilet paper dispenser and watch the neat white fluffy paper unroll into a pile on the floor. After which it can be rolled on and scratched at.

:(

We hide our roll under some hanging towels, so the cats can’t see it. Thus far it has worked.

Thankfully our cats are also relatively stupid. Otherwise they might have figured out how to move the timed feeders forward for extra food.

304 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, May 6, 2013 10:49:07am

re: #303 klys

We hide our roll under some hanging towels, so the cats can’t see it. Thus far it has worked.

Thankfully our cats are also relatively stupid. Otherwise they might have figured out how to move the timed feeders forward for extra food.

I doubt hanging towels will work. They *like* playing with those and especially enjoy clawing around and pulling the armrest covers off the furniture.

305 Political Atheist  Mon, May 6, 2013 10:51:21am

re: #301 Feline Fearless Leader

When my cats act up, it’s almost always either pent up energy from a lack of patio or play time. My Maine Coon absolutely MUST have her greens (cat grass or snapdragon tops) or she just won’t shut up. I think her long hair makes the vegetable content a necessity. Oh and she is about to be shaved in a lion cut. Another necessity in our SF valley heat. Like we did a couple years ago.

306 erik_t  Mon, May 6, 2013 10:55:40am

re: #305 Political Atheist

Yep. Sometimes there is Required Outdoor Kitty Time.

Makes winter occasionally rough, but fortunately Required Garage Kitty Time can be exchanged 2:1 with Required Outdoor Kitty Time.

307 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, May 6, 2013 10:58:20am

re: #305 Political Atheist

When my cats act up, it’s almost always either pent up energy from a lack of patio or play time. My Maine Coon absolutely MUST have his greens (cat grass or snapdragon tops) or she just won’t shut up. I think her long hair makes the vegetable content a necessity. Oh and she is about to be shaved in a lion cut. Another necessity in our SF valley heat. Like we did a couple years ago.

No patio capability, and I have to be home to let them run around the apartment hall for a little bit. (They did get a run on Saturday.) The roommate is always about for impromtu wrestling, ambushing, and chasing of course.

Might need to get some cat grass for them. The catnip plant is there (and thriving), but they generally leave it alone unless I pick off leaves for them. And if she decides she wants to munch on the young herbs (basil, dill, thyme) I might get a bit cross.

The plants have generated another sport for her. I have some fungus gnats around and they come and hang out by the light in the den at night. She perches on the arm of the couch and bats at them if they come low enough. And I get a low-power fanning effect from her swishing her tail back-and-forth so hard.

308 Kragar  Mon, May 6, 2013 11:02:43am

They’ve Lost Fox And Friends: GOP Claims Of Benghazi ‘Cover Up’ Collapses

On Monday, the trio of hosts invited Rep. Jassen Chaffetz (R-UT) — a regular fixture on cable television and a critic of Obama’s handling of the September 11, 2012 attacks — to discuss the House Republicans’ upcoming hearing with three witnesses who claim that the administration prevented them from speaking out about the incident. “We were certainly misled at every step of the way,” Chaffetz said, arguing that officials manipulated the findings of the Accountability Review Board, U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice’s talking points, and told military officials on the ground not to interfere or protect American interests during the attack.

The hosts then tore into Chaffetz’s theory, wondering if Admirals Thomas Pickering and Mike Mullen, who headed the review, the entire CIA, and Republican-appointed officials could all be “complicit” in such a massive conspiracy:

BRIAN KILMEADE: Are you saying that admiral Pickering and Mullen are complicit because they did the review board? Are you saying that the CIA is complicit because they allowed their talking points to be edited? … What about Admiral Mullen and Pickering? Why would they sacrifice their reputation for a report that isn’t accurate? […]

STEVE DOOCY: Congressman, it sounds like what you’ve described, it sounds like there has been a cover-up, but what were they trying to cover up? […]

GRETCHEN CARLSON: But Congressman, it’s an interesting question because it does involve so many high-level people. You had the former Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta — who was revered by both sides of the fence — coming out and saying, ‘hey, we couldn’t have gotten anybody there.’ So you have him on the line. You have former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, Susan Rice, President Obama, Admiral Mullen. Would all of these people go to bat just to get President Obama reelected?

KILMEADE: What about David Petraeus?

Chaffetz couldn’t offer a convincing answer, initially blaming the media for failing to report on the cover-up and then saying that the ongoing investigation will reveal the motive.

309 Kragar  Mon, May 6, 2013 11:04:32am

Utah Congressman Claims Benghazi Witnesses Are Being Threatened But Can’t Cite Any Examples

WALLACE: Tell me–a direct threat, a direct act of intimidation against a potential witness?

CHAFFETZ: Yes, and I think we’ll probably…

WALLACE: Tell me one… tell what’s been said.

CHAFFETZ: There are people, more than one, that have felt intimidation from the State Department.

310 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 6, 2013 11:05:21am

VOMIT

311 Bulworth  Mon, May 6, 2013 11:10:23am

re: #308 Kragar

Heads exploding….

312 Targetpractice  Mon, May 6, 2013 11:10:49am

re: #308 Kragar

They’ve Lost Fox And Friends: GOP Claims Of Benghazi ‘Cover Up’ Collapses

When you’ve lost F&F, you’re far past “fringe.”

313 Kragar  Mon, May 6, 2013 11:11:57am

re: #311 Bulworth

Heads exploding….

If your argument is so bad you can’t bullshit your way past Fox and Friends, you’ve got some real problems.

314 Bulworth  Mon, May 6, 2013 11:12:38am

re: #305 Political Atheist

When my cats act up, it’s almost always either pent up energy from a lack of patio or play time. My Maine Coon absolutely MUST have her greens (cat grass or snapdragon tops) or she just won’t shut up. I think her long hair makes the vegetable content a necessity. Oh and she is about to be shaved in a lion cut. Another necessity in our SF valley heat. Like we did a couple years ago.

Hmmm. I have a Maine Coon who’s vocally pretty quiet but has a habit of occasionally not using the litter pan. When there’s a clean one right near by. Greens, huh? I’ll have to try it…

315 Bulworth  Mon, May 6, 2013 11:14:50am

re: #299 Vicious Babushka

Yeah, Snopes probably believes PBO was born in U.S.

///

316 Targetpractice  Mon, May 6, 2013 11:15:15am

re: #313 Kragar

If your argument is so bad you can’t bullshit your way past Fox and Friends, you’ve got some real problems.

I imagine it’ll get better after Wednesday. Between the revelation that one of the “whistleblowers” feels that being denied a promotion is “intimidation” and another claiming to be a “witness” to second-hand information, the circus is about to kick back into high gear for at least a couple more days.

317 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 6, 2013 11:15:54am

re: #315 Bulworth

Yeah, Snopes probably believes PBO was born in U.S.

///

SNOAPS SAYZ TEH COLUMBIA FOREIGN STUDENT ID IS FAKE BUT I SEEN IT ON TEH INTERWEBZ!!11!!

318 erik_t  Mon, May 6, 2013 11:18:16am

re: #316 Targetpractice

I imagine it’ll get better after Wednesday. Between the revelation that one of the “whistleblowers” feels that being denied a promotion is “intimidation” and another claiming to be a “witness” to second-hand information, the circus is about to kick back into high gear for at least a couple more days.

But F&F has already decided it’s absurdity. Re-evaluating positions based on new (apparent) evidence is not a characteristically Republican trait.

Once in a blue moon, this is a good thing.

319 Bulworth  Mon, May 6, 2013 11:18:18am

re: #316 Targetpractice

Unless it involves a threat from Gene Sperling, it won’t be worth much.

/

320 A Mom Anon  Mon, May 6, 2013 11:19:31am

Husband has a second interview with the second company he’s had interviews with tomorrow after lunch. The lady told him on the phone that they wanted to talk with him ASAP before someone else hires him. Here’s to hoping for the best….

321 Bulworth  Mon, May 6, 2013 11:20:07am

re: #308 Kragar

Can’t imagine why Team Faux would turn against the Benghazi. No matter how ridiculous it is. Ridiculous is what they do best.

322 Decatur Deb  Mon, May 6, 2013 11:23:20am

re: #320 A Mom Anon

Good vibes.

323 A Mom Anon  Mon, May 6, 2013 11:24:41am

re: #321 Bulworth

The Three Stooges on Fox and Friends couldn’t reason their way out of a wet paper bag, so maybe someone a little higher up the Fox food chain knows they’ve painted themselves into a corner and told the Stooges to tone it down. Maybe?

324 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Mon, May 6, 2013 11:27:53am

re: #297 Kaessa

WTF does that even mean?

Shorter WendyJoMason:

I is a idjit

325 Lidane  Mon, May 6, 2013 11:29:37am
326 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 6, 2013 11:35:25am

Wingnuts are practically orgasmic over this CBS report which seems to suggest US SPECIAL FORCES TOLD TO STAND DOWN!!11!!

Actually if you read the entire CBS article, it was simply not possible for a rescue team to have reached the consulate in time. Unless the rescue team was able to scramble a Tardis.

327 kirkspencer  Mon, May 6, 2013 11:36:50am

re: #320 A Mom Anon

Husband has a second interview with the second company he’s had interviews with tomorrow after lunch. The lady told him on the phone that they wanted to talk with him ASAP before someone else hires him. Here’s to hoping for the best….

Oh, best of luck.


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