The Latest Benghazi Silliness: A Preemptive Attack on Hillary Clinton

The “cover-up” nobody can explain
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OK, we might as well post something about the latest round of right wing Benghazi hysteria, because it’s all you’re going to hear about this week. Once again, the right wing is successfully manipulating the mainstream media into covering this overblown non-story, and CBS News is right out in front of the pack: Diplomat: U.S. Special Forces Told ‘You Can’t Go’ to Benghazi During Attacks.

The deputy of slain U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens has told congressional investigators that a team of Special Forces prepared to fly from Tripoli to Benghazi during the Sept. 11, 2012 attacks was forbidden from doing so by U.S. Special Operations Command South Africa.

The account from Gregory Hicks is in stark contrast to assertions from the Obama administration, which insisted that nobody was ever told to stand down and that all available resources were utilized. Hicks gave private testimony to congressional investigators last month in advance of his upcoming appearance at a congressional hearing Wednesday.

According to excerpts released Monday, Hicks told investigators that SOCAFRICA commander Lt. Col. Gibson and his team were on their way to board a C-130 from Tripoli for Benghazi prior to an attack on a second U.S. compound “when [Col. Gibson] got a phone call from SOCAFRICA which said, ‘you can’t go now, you don’t have the authority to go now.’ And so they missed the flight … They were told not to board the flight, so they missed it.”

No assistance arrived from the U.S. military outside of Libya during the hours that Americans were under attack or trapped inside compounds by hostile forces armed with rocket-propelled grenades, mortars and AK-47 rifles.

Hicks told congressional investigators that if the U.S. had quickly sent a military aircraft over Benghazi, it might have saved American lives. The U.S. Souda Bay Naval Base is an hour’s flight from Libya.

“I believe if we had been able to scramble a fighter or aircraft or two over Benghazi as quickly as possible after the attack commenced, I believe there would not have been a mortar attack on the annex in the morning because I believe the Libyans would have split. They would have been scared to death that we would have gotten a laser on them and killed them,” Hicks testified. Two Americans died in the morning mortar attack.

For some much-needed context on these latest claims of a “cover-up” (a cover-up for which no one seems to be able to explain the reason), check out who’s representing these so-called “whistle-blowers:”

Joseph diGenova and Victoria Toensing run a law firm together. They are also married. They are also soldiers in the dirty wars we have between the two major parties. When Scooter Libby was indicted, diGenova and Toensing demanded a pardon. In fact, they had been brawling on Libby’s side for years. Toensing even authored an amici curiae brief with the US Court of Appeals in Washington, seeking to overturn the ruling that forced Matthew Cooper and Judy Miller to testify in the Libby case.

[…]

They are nothing more than partisan brawlers. And now they are representing so-called Benghazi whistleblowers who claim they have faced intimidation from their employers in the State Department. Mr. diGenova is representing Mark I. Thompson, who is a deputy coordinator for operations in the State Department’s counterterrorism bureau. Ms. Toensing is representing Gregory N. Hicks, who was serving as the deputy chief of mission at the U.S. Embassy in Libya at the time of the Benghazi attacks. Both men will testify on Wednesday before Rep. Darrell Issa’s House Oversight & Government Reform Committee.

If they wanted to be taken seriously, they would have retained less notorious counsel.

With the new focus on the State Department, it’s clear that the main target of these accusations is Hillary Clinton; it’s a preemptive attack against her 2016 run for the presidency.

UPDATE at 5/6/13 11:44:21 am

Here’s a devastating refutation of Gregory Hicks’s imaginary cover-up scenario: Benghazi (II): A Military Analysis of the Fox Mystery Man’s Fantasy Rescue Plan | the Best Defense.

I’ll just quote the last line; read the whole thing to see how ridiculous and absurd the accusations by Hicks really are.

The person in the interview is a clown and I am incredibly disappointed in the news for not using Google.

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174 comments
1 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 6, 2013 11:39:45am

If you actually read the entire CBS article, it contains a bunch of speculation and “what if” scenarios, and it would not have been possible to get a rescue team to the consulate in time, unless they could scramble a Tardis. Even Hicks admits this, but he weasel words his way around it.

Fox News “expert” outlines Benghazi rescue plan that would have worked great except for the time travel.

2 A Mom Anon  Mon, May 6, 2013 11:42:11am

I was just talking to my husband this morning and wondering when the Benghazi crap would start getting flung in Hillary’s direction. A preemptive strike as it were.

With all the things that need fixing in this country, it would be really nice if these assclowns would use their powers for good instead of stupid/evil.

3 erik_t  Mon, May 6, 2013 11:43:45am
“I believe if we had been able to scramble a fighter or aircraft or two over Benghazi as quickly as possible after the attack commenced, I believe there would not have been a mortar attack on the annex in the morning because I believe the Libyans would have split. They would have been scared to death that we would have gotten a laser on them and killed them,”

Because as we all know, there have never been any mortar attacks on US airbases in Iraq or Afghanistan.

[citation needed].

4 darthstar  Mon, May 6, 2013 11:47:55am

re: #2 A Mom Anon

I was just talking to my husband this morning and wondering when the Benghazi crap would start getting flung in Hillary’s direction. A preemptive strike as it were.

With all the things that need fixing in this country, it would be really nice if these assclowns would use their powers for good instead of stupid/evil.

They’re playing a long game here…Even though they know it’s bullshit and most people don’t pay attention, seeding the media now will create a history for if/when Hillary runs for President. It could work…probably won’t…these games are getting old, but the media are too willing to play along, so they’d might as well.

5 Bulworth  Mon, May 6, 2013 11:50:31am
Birdzell also notes that even in various wishful scenarios that might involve magic airplanes that are already loaded and ready to go

How comes many airplanez were not loaded and ready 2 go?11!!1?!??!??

6 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 6, 2013 11:51:02am

This morning some wingnuts tried to splain me how BENGHAZI!!11!! was different from all those embassies and consulates that were attacked on Bush’s watch.

Um, apparently they believe that Bush only allowed some brown people to die and they don’t have the same “human” value that REAL MURCANZ have.

I wish I was making this up. :(

7 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 6, 2013 11:52:22am

And in case you didn’t think there was enough DERP:

8 klys  Mon, May 6, 2013 11:52:29am

re: #1 Vicious Babushka

I kind of adore that article for mentioning Floo powder.

9 Mattand  Mon, May 6, 2013 11:52:33am

Has there ever been an even remotely reality-based explanation as for why the President would stand by and let US diplomats get murdered? The amount of paranoia and Scary Black Man in the White House Syndrome™ is just mind boggling.

10 lawhawk  Mon, May 6, 2013 11:53:07am

re: #3 erik_t

Bagram air base in Afghanistan has seen: car bombs (including when VP Cheney was in-country), suicide bombers, rocket attacks, and a ground assault.

11 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 6, 2013 11:53:12am

re: #8 klys

I kind of adore that article for mentioning Floo powder.

Wonkette rules!

12 Charles Johnson  Mon, May 6, 2013 11:54:52am

re: #9 Mattand

Has there ever been an even remotely reality-based explanation as for why the President would stand by and let US diplomats get murdered? The amount of paranoia and Scary Black Man in the White House SyndromeTM is just mind boggling.

The new conspiracy theory outlined by Darrell Issa on Face the Nation is that the White House and State Dept. covered it up to avoid criticism that diplomatic security had been cut.

It makes no sense, but then, none of this makes any damned sense at all.

13 klys  Mon, May 6, 2013 11:55:47am

re: #11 Vicious Babushka

Wonkette rules!

I may be adding it to my read-regularly list. But the comments here are better.

14 Mattand  Mon, May 6, 2013 11:57:36am

re: #12 Charles Johnson

The new conspiracy theory outlined by Darrell Issa on Face the Nation is that the White House and State Dept. covered it up to avoid criticism that diplomatic security had been cut.

It makes no sense, but then, none of this makes any damned sense at all.

Wow.

How the fuck does one operate in that kind of twisted fantasy world, and get elected to Congress?

Jesus Christ, what’s his district? Arkham Asylum?

15 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 6, 2013 11:58:21am

re: #14 Mattand

Wow.

How the fuck does one operate in that kind of twisted fantasy world, and get elected to Congress?

Jesus Christ, what’s his district? Arkham Asylum?

Louie Gohmert represents Arkham Asylum.

16 Mattand  Mon, May 6, 2013 12:00:16pm

re: #12 Charles Johnson

The new conspiracy theory outlined by Darrell Issa on Face the Nation is that the White House and State Dept. covered it up to avoid criticism that diplomatic security had been cut.

It makes no sense, but then, none of this makes any damned sense at all.

Did Bob Schieffer at least challenge that? That’s not even circular logic; it’s more MC Esher logic.

17 122 Year Old Obama  Mon, May 6, 2013 12:02:06pm

re: #16 Mattand

Black-man-in-White-House-Bad logic.

18 engineer cat  Mon, May 6, 2013 12:04:42pm

Bryan Fischer
Homosexual worldview responsible for collapse of the Western

somebody keep bryan away from the automatic nonsense meme generator please thankyou

19 Bulworth  Mon, May 6, 2013 12:05:12pm

Why didn
t PBO call it ‘terrorism’ immediately??!!???

It was terrorism so PBO hasn’t kept us safe so vote RomneyRyan!!



Susan Rice and WH changed teh talking points and manipulated intelligence!!

PBO didn’t try to save our Americans!!!

We could have gotten there in time!!!

PBO threatening people in State Department, won’t let testify!!!!

Am I leaving something out from this changing list of accusations and DErP?

20 HoosierHoops  Mon, May 6, 2013 12:05:32pm

re: #16 Mattand

Did Bob Schieffer at least challenge that? That’s not even circular logic; it’s more MC Esher logic.

Nice using Esher in this context. Loved his Art and really those stairways that lead to nowhere is a perfect example of the RWNJ logic.

21 Charles Johnson  Mon, May 6, 2013 12:07:07pm

re: #16 Mattand

Did Bob Schieffer at least challenge that? That’s not even circular logic; it’s more MC Esher logic.

Schieffer was right there speculating away, feeding Darrell Issa straight lines. It was a disgrace.

22 engineer cat  Mon, May 6, 2013 12:07:30pm

Bryan Fischer: Doubts About Salvation Through Jesus Responsible For Transmission Problems In ‘04 Subarus

23 engineer cat  Mon, May 6, 2013 12:09:22pm

Cover Up: Administration Planned Benghazi Failure To Promote Doubts About Republican Sanity

24 prairiefire  Mon, May 6, 2013 12:11:09pm

I’ve been reading right wing comments on blogs and they are CERTAIN Benghazi will bring her down. Yet more delusion!

25 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, May 6, 2013 12:11:20pm

re: #23 engineer cat

Cover Up: Administration Planned Benghazi Failure To Promote Doubts About Republican Sanity

The real cover up is that the Administration created the Tea Party to promote doubts about Republican Sanity. //

26 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 6, 2013 12:12:19pm

MOAR DERP
What tribe issued your visa, Dorothy?

27 Charles Johnson  Mon, May 6, 2013 12:13:02pm

Yup.

28 wrenchwench  Mon, May 6, 2013 12:13:23pm

Both men will testify on Wednesday before Rep. Darrell Issa’s House Oversight & Government Reform Committee House of R Sight & Guvermint Freeform Committee.

Spelchecked it fer ya.

29 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, May 6, 2013 12:13:47pm

re: #19 Bulworth

Oblama personally cut ALL embassy and consulate security staffs!!11!!
And Hillary haz teh cooties!

30 engineer cat  Mon, May 6, 2013 12:14:57pm

re: #24 prairiefire

I’ve been reading right wing comments on blogs and they are CERTAIN Benghazi will bring her down. Yet more delusion!

and here i thought it would be the white house travel office scandal fer shure

31 klys  Mon, May 6, 2013 12:15:14pm

In honor of the day after Cinco De Mayo, the Heritage Foundation brings a report of why amnesty would be a horrible, horrible burden on taxpayers.

Buried in the summary is this lovely quote:

Few lawmakers really understand the current size of government and the scope of redistribution. The fact that the average household gets $31,600 in government benefits each year is a shock. The fact that a household headed by an individual with less than a high school degree gets $46,600 is a bigger one.

Mind you, their description of government benefits includes direct benefits (unemployment, Social Security, etc.), means-based welfare (food stamps), public education ($12,300 per pupil), and population based benefits (fire, ambulance, roads, etc.).

Of course, there’s no real distinction mentioned between federal, state, or local benefits. Also, well… I’ll let their closing speak for itself:

A final problem is that unlawful immigration appears to depress the wages of low-skill U.S.-born and lawful immigrant workers by 10 percent, or $2,300, per year. Unlawful immigration also probably drives many of our most vulnerable U.S.-born workers out of the labor force entirely. Unlawful immigration thus makes it harder for the least advantaged U.S. citizens to share in the American dream. This is wrong; public policy should support the interests of those who have a right to be here, not those who have broken our laws.

32 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 6, 2013 12:15:26pm

re: #27 Charles Johnson

Yup.



And the Dumbest Derper on Teh Twitterz:

33 engineer cat  Mon, May 6, 2013 12:16:25pm

Secret timeline shows how

Imaginary Diary Shows How Llamas Inhabit My Underpants

34 lawhawk  Mon, May 6, 2013 12:17:15pm

The location of this particular incident isn’t far from the site of a proposed mosque on Voohries Ave in Sheepshead Bay.

Coincidence? Yeah, I don’t think so.

35 Mattand  Mon, May 6, 2013 12:21:13pm

re: #21 Charles Johnson

Schieffer was right there speculating away, feeding Darrell Issa straight lines. It was a disgrace.

Absolutely terrible. Schieffer’s allegedly one of the better ones.

36 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 6, 2013 12:21:36pm

Hey look who’s still on Teh Twitterz!

37 Mike Lamb  Mon, May 6, 2013 12:21:38pm

re: #32 Vicious Babushka

Oh…a secret timeline. In that case…

38 erik_t  Mon, May 6, 2013 12:22:13pm

re: #27 Charles Johnson

Yup.

@gasman681 “@robfit: Hillary should be on trial for #Benghazi not considering running for president.” SHES GUILTY AS CHARGED THAT PIECE OF SHIT.

Right. She is absolutely guilty as charged. She is guilty of every crime of which she has been charged in re: Benghazihazigate.

39 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 6, 2013 12:24:01pm

re: #38 erik_t

Right. She is absolutely guilty as charged. She is guilty of every crime of which she has been charged in re: Benghazihazigate.

THEIR IS NO SUCH A THING AZ “DUE PROCESS” AND “EVIDENCE” IN ARE LOVED CONSTITUSHUN!111 THATZ LIBRUL ACTIVIST JUDGEZ!!11!!!!

40 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 6, 2013 12:25:03pm

HAV MOAR DUE PROCESS AN EVIDENCE U LIBRULZ


41 aagcobb  Mon, May 6, 2013 12:25:10pm

re: #31 klys

In honor of the day after Cinco De Mayo, the Heritage Foundation brings a report of why amnesty would be a horrible, horrible burden on taxpayers.

Buried in the summary is this lovely quote:

Mind you, their description of government benefits includes direct benefits (unemployment, Social Security, etc.), means-based welfare (food stamps), public education ($12,300 per pupil), and population based benefits (fire, ambulance, roads, etc.).

Of course, there’s no real distinction mentioned between federal, state, or local benefits. Also, well… I’ll let their closing speak for itself:

Matthew Yeglasias has a good response to this kind of argument on Slate:
slate.com

42 Bulworth  Mon, May 6, 2013 12:25:33pm

re: #37 Mike Lamb

That, combined with the secret intelligence coverup and the double super secret probation list of Muslim Brotherhood advisors in the WH….

43 Lidane  Mon, May 6, 2013 12:26:06pm

re: #7 Vicious Babushka

And in case you didn’t think there was enough DERP:

Related:

44 Mike Lamb  Mon, May 6, 2013 12:27:22pm

re: #43 Lidane

Related:

From his lips to God’s ears.

45 lawhawk  Mon, May 6, 2013 12:27:45pm

re: #32 Vicious Babushka

A secret timeline that still requires a TARDIS, a time turner, a Delorean (and not inconsequential amount of plutonium initially), and/or warping around the Sun and complex calculations that only Spock could achieve (and that includes guestimating).

No matter how these idiots attempt to slice and dice the timeline, there was absolutely nothing the US military could do to save the life of Ambassador Stevens or the others. They say as much when they assembled a new strike force in Spain to potentially deal with these kinds of incidents within 4-6 hours of first notification.

46 Bulworth  Mon, May 6, 2013 12:27:51pm

re: #27 Charles Johnson

Wow, it’s almost as if the RWNJ world is trying to make this all about Hillary (who they hated, then loved, and now hate again) and her campaign in 2016 (should she run, etc). It’s almost as if they’re just politicizing shit.

//

47 Lidane  Mon, May 6, 2013 12:28:37pm

re: #26 Vicious Babushka

My family’s been in what is now Texas since before the American Revolution.

Of course, Texas was part of Mexico back then, but hey. It’s all good.

48 Bulworth  Mon, May 6, 2013 12:29:43pm

re: #43 Lidane

And FEMA trailers….

49 Lidane  Mon, May 6, 2013 12:30:01pm

re: #31 klys

In honor of the day after Cinco De Mayo, the Heritage Foundation brings a report of why amnesty would be a horrible, horrible burden on taxpayers.

50 prairiefire  Mon, May 6, 2013 12:32:32pm

What is with the new “Milhouse” reference? Anybody know? My son hears it while gaming.

51 Bulworth  Mon, May 6, 2013 12:32:42pm

re: #31 klys

Every lazy American family gets $31,600 a year in welfare benefits!!! A $31,600 check every year!!

/

52 klys  Mon, May 6, 2013 12:33:29pm

re: #50 prairiefire

What is with the new “Milhouse” reference? Anybody know? My son hears it while gaming.

The only thing I can think of is a character who occasionally shows up in World of Warcraft named Milhouse. I’m pretty sure that can’t be right though.

53 Bulworth  Mon, May 6, 2013 12:33:31pm

re: #50 prairiefire

Richard Nixon’s middle name. Not sure why they think that’s relevant or clever, but…

54 Lidane  Mon, May 6, 2013 12:34:03pm

re: #50 prairiefire

What is with the new “Milhouse” reference? Anybody know? My son hears it while gaming.

Richard Milhous Nixon. The derpasauruses are drawing a line between Nixon and Obama because of reasons.

55 klys  Mon, May 6, 2013 12:34:27pm

Just imagine the reaction it would draw if this was birth control:

Pfizer Goes Direct With Online Viagra Sales To Men

56 Bulworth  Mon, May 6, 2013 12:35:13pm

re: #55 klys

Just imagine the reaction it would draw if this was birth control:

Pfizer Goes Direct With Online Viagra Sales To Men

OMG!! Slutz can just go online and get….oh wait. Oh, just Viagra. It’s OK, everybody settle down. It’s all good.

57 Lidane  Mon, May 6, 2013 12:35:25pm

re: #53 Bulworth

Richard Nixon’s middle name. Not sure why they think that’s relevant or clever, but…

Nixon was impeached for less than what Obummer’s done!

Benghazi! GUNZ! Mao Christmas ornaments! Being black in the White House! Eleventy!

///

58 erik_t  Mon, May 6, 2013 12:36:02pm

re: #45 lawhawk

A secret timeline that still requires a TARDIS, a time turner, a Delorean (and not inconsequential amount of plutonium initially), and/or warping around the Sun and complex calculations that only Spock could achieve (and that includes guestimating).

………

IT’S THE LIBYANS!!!!1

59 Lidane  Mon, May 6, 2013 12:36:51pm

re: #58 erik_t

Underwear gnomes. Totally.

60 Lidane  Mon, May 6, 2013 12:38:50pm

Crazy Uncle Pat has chimed in on immigration:

61 Bulworth  Mon, May 6, 2013 12:39:19pm

re: #55 klys

Only older, married menz get the Viagra. So they’re allowed to have it unrestricted.

//

62 122 Year Old Obama  Mon, May 6, 2013 12:39:55pm

re: #60 Lidane

We get it, Pat. You really don’t like people darker than a bed sheet.

63 Bulworth  Mon, May 6, 2013 12:40:23pm

re: #60 Lidane

And the Southern border is our G-d given right as Americans to have because Christianity and Truth. //

64 klys  Mon, May 6, 2013 12:42:12pm

re: #61 Bulworth

Only older, married menz get the Viagra. So they’re allowed to have it unrestricted.

//

I just have to laugh at shit like this.

I’m unaware of any medical condition that it can be used to treat beyond its explicitly stated purpose (as opposed to birth control, which can and is used to treat a variety of medical conditions unrelated to preventing pregnancy). And yet birth control is bad because women might have sex but similar discussions never, ever come up for shit like this.

65 jaunte  Mon, May 6, 2013 12:45:02pm

re: #38 erik_t

Right. She is absolutely guilty as charged. She is guilty of every crime of which she has been charged in re: Benghazihazigate.

This coverup goes all the way over the top.

66 Lidane  Mon, May 6, 2013 12:48:45pm
67 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, May 6, 2013 12:54:24pm

re: #66 Lidane

Cue someone like Bryan Fischer to blame it on the end of days and homo marriage.

(not kidding, wish I was)

68 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, May 6, 2013 12:56:05pm

re: #66 Lidane

That’s about twice as often as the American isolationist Know-Nothing wing comes out to party for a decade or so.

69 Lidane  Mon, May 6, 2013 12:57:36pm
70 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 6, 2013 1:01:03pm

re: #64 klys

I just have to laugh at shit like this.

I’m unaware of any medical condition that it can be used to treat beyond its explicitly stated purpose (as opposed to birth control, which can and is used to treat a variety of medical conditions unrelated to preventing pregnancy). And yet birth control is bad because women might have sex but similar discussions never, ever come up for shit like this.

Actually the viagra was discovered because it was a side effect of some other medication used to treat some other condition, it wasn’t developed specifically for that purpose.

71 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 6, 2013 1:05:32pm

TEH DERP CONTINUEZ:

72 Lidane  Mon, May 6, 2013 1:08:01pm

re: #70 Vicious Babushka

Actually the viagra was discovered because it was a side effect of some other medication used to treat some other condition, it wasn’t developed specifically for that purpose.

It was developed for hypertension. And Pfizer actually sells a version of it for that purpose under the name Revatio. Same drug, different dosage, and different looking pill.

73 A Mom Anon  Mon, May 6, 2013 1:08:06pm

re: #70 Vicious Babushka

I thought I remembered reading it was for treating pulmonary hypertension (hey, I have a husband with heart disease, so for awhile there I read ALOT about this stuff) and I think there was talk of using it of possible treatment for altitude sickness.

74 erik_t  Mon, May 6, 2013 1:09:18pm

re: #71 Vicious Babushka

TEH DERP CONTINUEZ:

Amusingly, this quote (whether it’s real or not) is supposed to send me into a violent frothing rage.

The alleged quote is exactly correct.

75 Lidane  Mon, May 6, 2013 1:11:25pm
76 jaunte  Mon, May 6, 2013 1:11:55pm

re: #71 Vicious Babushka

I see there was a little more to that:

“The impulse towards intolerance and violence may initially be focused on the West, but over time it cannot be contained. The same impulses toward extremism are used to justify war between Sunni and Shia, between tribes and clans. It leads not to strength and prosperity but to chaos. In less than two years, we have seen largely peaceful protests bring more change to Muslim-majority countries than a decade of violence. And extremists understand this. Because they have nothing to offer to improve the lives of people, violence is their only way to stay relevant. They don’t build; they only destroy. […] The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam. But to be credible, those who condemn that slander must also condemn the hate we see in the images of Jesus Christ that are desecrated, or churches that are destroyed, or the Holocaust that is denied.”
washingtonpost.com

77 Bulworth  Mon, May 6, 2013 1:13:01pm

re: #75 Lidane

AND he waited two long two call it Terrorizm!!!!

78 122 Year Old Obama  Mon, May 6, 2013 1:13:13pm

re: #75 Lidane

How are these people able to get through the day without a crash helmet? The stupidity makes it difficult to believe they can even function on their own.

79 Lidane  Mon, May 6, 2013 1:14:15pm

re: #78 122 Year Old Obama

Speaking of being unable to get through the day without a crash helmet:

80 ramex  Mon, May 6, 2013 1:14:59pm

re: #31 klys

“Unlawful immigration also probably drives many of our most vulnerable U.S.-born workers out of the labor force entirely.”
The “Also Probably Drive!” All good wingnuts navigate reality using the ‘also-probably drive.’ It allows them to cross illogical distances in a single bound.

81 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, May 6, 2013 1:17:30pm

re: #74 erik_t

Amusingly, this quote (whether it’s real or not) is supposed to send me into a violent frothing rage.

The alleged quote is exactly correct.

But isn’t Jesus a prophet of Islam as well?

82 darthstar  Mon, May 6, 2013 1:19:13pm

re: #81 Feline Fearless Leader

But isn’t Jesus a prophet of Islam as well?

Yes, but he had Buddhist tendencies.

83 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, May 6, 2013 1:19:14pm

You should have to have a license to call yourself a “former special forces operator” in public. The bullshit emanating from these self-declared experts is getting dense enough to blot out the sun. A mysterious SF team in Tripoli “missed the flight” (by C-130) to Benghazi because they were ordered to stand down? Is there a scheduled C-130 flight out of Tripoli, so rigidly scheduled that it could not wait for a super-priority rescue team to board? Who does this C-130 belong to? It certainly wouldn’t be the US Air Force. Does the expert realize that Tripoli-Benghazi is 2 1/2 hours flying time for a C-130? What would happen when they got there? No doubt they could just follow the example of Lee Marvin and Chuck Norris and hijack a fleet of taxis to get to the consulate, where Ambassador Stevens had died some time earlier.
I’ve been asked from time to time why I think it is important for ordinary citizens and journalists to have at least some basic knowledge of military operations. This absurd case will be my primary answer if I am ever asked that again.

84 Kragar  Mon, May 6, 2013 1:22:08pm

Rick Perry compares rejecting LGBT people to fighting slavery

Perry added that the greatest governor in Texas’s history, Gov. Sam Houston, opposed slavery and opposed leaving the union in the pre-Civil War era. “That’s the type of principled leadership, that’s the type of courage, that I hope people across this country, on this issue of scouts and keeping the Boy Scouts the organization it is today, [will have],” he said.

“And if we change and become more like pop culture, young men will be not as well served,” he concluded. “America will not be as well served, and Boy Scouts will start on a decline that I don’t think will serve this country well as we go into the future.”

85 GeneJockey  Mon, May 6, 2013 1:22:14pm

I’m having a little trouble with the timing here. The headline doesn’t match the quoted testimony very well.

CBS’s report talks about some Special Forces group that were told not to get on a flight from Tripoli to Benghazi that took off a 6:30 in the morning, an hour and 15 minutes after the mortar attack that killed the two former Seals, and at least 7 hours after Amb. Stevens and Sean Smith had died.

They also quote Hicks talking about having a fighter fly over the consulate, and says there’s a base ‘an hour from Libya’, but that the nearest fighters were in Aviano, and would need tanker support to get to Benghazi, and tanker support didn’t exist.

So, what the hell is he saying? We could have scared away the mortar team if we’d had a fighter, but we didn’t, and a SF group were told not to board a flight which would have put them in Benghazi several hours after everything was over?

What’s with the smoking gun headline?

86 Bulworth  Mon, May 6, 2013 1:23:41pm

re: #79 Lidane

We always seem to be “losing” our heritage/values/freedom, etc. But we have never ‘lost’ any of those things. You’d think one of these days these guys would state something definitive. Instead, it’s all elusive. An Obama first term was supposed to end Amercia. A second term would destroy America. Somehow we’re all still here and having Freedom and watching TV and listening to our Rush Limbo (Ok, I’m not doing this last thing). But someday, soon, PBO will take our Bibles and Guns and Freedom. /

87 Kragar  Mon, May 6, 2013 1:24:14pm

re: #85 GeneJockey

What’s with the smoking gun headline?

Its all they’ve really got.

88 Bulworth  Mon, May 6, 2013 1:25:51pm

re: #84 Kragar

Ah, that Rick Perry, a man of Courage he is.
//

89 darthstar  Mon, May 6, 2013 1:25:59pm

Please proceed, GOP.

Jed pretty much gets it. Let’s hope the GOP doesn’t.

90 Kragar  Mon, May 6, 2013 1:26:14pm

FBI arrests Minnesota ‘militia type’ for plotting ‘localized terror attack

Buford “Bucky” Rogers, 24, was arrested for unlawful possession of a firearm by a felon. An Associated Press report said that he had previously been convicted for felony burglary in 2011 and a misdemeanor charge of dangerous handling of a weapon in 2009.

“The FBI believes that a terror attack was disrupted by law enforcement personnel and that the lives of several local residents were potentially saved,” the FBI said in a statement.

A federal affidavit obtained by the AP indicated that Molotov cocktails, pipe bombs and a Romanian AKM assault rifle had been recovered from Buford’s residence at the mobile home park in Montevideo.

Rogers reportedly told authorities that he had fired the assault rifle on at least two occasions at a Granite Falls gun range.

The FBI declined to say if Rogers was acting alone or if other arrests were expected.

FBI sources described Rogers as a “militia type” to ABC’s Pierre Thomas.

“‘Bucky’ Rogers, MN man allegedly working on terror plot, formed group w/ anti-govt tendencies called ‘Black Snake Militia’ per Montevideo PD,” ABC News producer Matthew Jaffe reported.

91 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, May 6, 2013 1:27:24pm

re: #83 Shiplord Kirel

You should have to have a license to call yourself a “former special forces operator” in public. The bullshit emanating from these self-declared experts is getting dense enough to blot out the sun. A mysterious SF team in Tripoli “missed the flight” (by C-130) to Benghazi because they were ordered to stand down? Is there a scheduled C-130 flight out of Tripoli, so rigidly scheduled that it could not wait for a super-priority rescue team to board? Who does this C-130 belong to? It certainly wouldn’t be the US Air Force.

My question would be: Did the scheduled C-130 flight arrive on schedule in Benghazi? If so, what happened to it and it’s crew and cargo/manifest?
Questions, questions, questions…
We’re just asking… //

92 gwangung  Mon, May 6, 2013 1:28:00pm

re: #85 GeneJockey

So, what the hell is he saying? We could have scared away the mortar team if we’d had a fighter,

Is that even possible or probable? We’d scare away mortar attack just by showing up? With no ground support?

93 jaunte  Mon, May 6, 2013 1:28:33pm

re: #83 Shiplord Kirel

If they missed the C-130 flight, and it left without them, where did it go?

94 Bulworth  Mon, May 6, 2013 1:29:39pm

re: #92 gwangung

Obviously the problem is that at the moment the Big Plane was to carry the CTU to Benghazi PBO yelled “Arrest Jack Bauer” and that was that.

//

95 lawhawk  Mon, May 6, 2013 1:29:53pm

re: #85 GeneJockey

There’s Sigonella Air Base, which is located in Sicily. That’s about 1.5 hours to Libya. Aviano is in Northern Italy. But that ignores that the necessary units to carry out any kind of rescue mission had to be readied - and that takes time.

The DoD explicitly admits that they couldn’t get troops to Benghazi in time - and set out to create a new military unit based in Spain to deal explicitly with these kind of rapid response actions, with a 4-6 hour time to target framework. That is a mission objective/standard they didn’t have before.

96 iossarian  Mon, May 6, 2013 1:30:02pm

re: #89 darthstar

Please proceed, GOP.

Jed pretty much gets it. Let’s hope the GOP doesn’t.

Haha - the “please proceed” clip never gets old.

GO HOME RICH BOY - YOU JUST GOT PWNED

97 Kragar  Mon, May 6, 2013 1:30:43pm

re: #89 darthstar

Please proceed, GOP.

Jed pretty much gets it. Let’s hope the GOP doesn’t.

This is great news for John McCain.

98 Lidane  Mon, May 6, 2013 1:32:10pm

re: #84 Kragar

Rick Perry compares rejecting LGBT people to fighting slavery

The sooner this asshole gets bounced out of the Governor’s mansion the better. He’s an embarrassment.

99 lawhawk  Mon, May 6, 2013 1:32:31pm

re: #91 Backwoods_Sleuth

Ross: What exactly were Airman Rodriguez and O’Malley going to testify to?

Caffey: That they had no recollection of anything.

Ross: Strong witnesses. /paraphrasing A Few Good Men

100 engineer cat  Mon, May 6, 2013 1:34:32pm

re: #86 Bulworth

We always seem to be “losing” our heritage/values/freedom

this can be counted on as a constant throughout history, since the ‘ideal’ state of society & etc is consistently found in the years just before one was born, no matter when that might have been

romans were also very big on bemoaning how the ancient virtues were being overthrown

101 darthstar  Mon, May 6, 2013 1:34:36pm

re: #93 jaunte

If they missed the C-130 flight, and it left without them, where did it go?

That’s why I never fly stand-by on assault missions.

102 GeneJockey  Mon, May 6, 2013 1:36:31pm

re: #95 lawhawk

There’s Sigonella Air Base, which is located in Sicily. That’s about 1.5 hours to Libya. Aviano is in Northern Italy. But that ignores that the necessary units to carry out any kind of rescue mission had to be readied - and that takes time.

Hicks said he was told the nearest fighters were in Aviano. My own personal knowledge of Italy is limited to being able to find it on a map.

The DoD explicitly admits that they couldn’t get troops to Benghazi in time - a

THEY LIE!!! I read on the internet that 100 Navy Seals were right down the street!!!11!

103 Kragar  Mon, May 6, 2013 1:36:48pm

“Loss of our heritage” = No longer the sole beneficiaries of special treatment and privileges.

104 A Mom Anon  Mon, May 6, 2013 1:37:11pm

re: #95 lawhawk

I think the dumb asses think that military assets and troops are like the fire department, a call goes out and a minute or two later everyone is out the door and on the way. Doesn’t work like that, but hey, why let reality get in the way of a nice big glass of Haterade every five minutes?

105 jaunte  Mon, May 6, 2013 1:38:10pm

re: #104 A Mom Anon

Everyone who’s seen ConAir knows how easy it is to jump out of a cargo plane and into action when you get to where you’re going.

106 engineer cat  Mon, May 6, 2013 1:38:14pm

re: #100 engineer cat

greeks, even earlier, also, too

“What is happening to our young people? They disrespect their elders, they disobey their parents. They ignore the law. They riot in the streets inflamed with wild notions. Their morals are decaying. What is to become of them?”

- Plato, 4th century BC

“I see no hope for the future of our people if they are dependent on
frivolous youth of today, for certainly all youth are reckless beyond
words… When I was young, we were taught to be discreet and
respectful of elders, but the present youth are exceedingly wise
[disrespectful] and impatient of restraint”

- Hesiod, 8th century BC

107 Decatur Deb  Mon, May 6, 2013 1:39:34pm

re: #100 engineer cat

this can be counted on as a constant throughout history, since the ‘ideal’ state of society & etc is consistently found in the years just before one was born, no matter when that might have been

romans were also very big on bemoaning how the ancient virtues were being overthrown

And the early Egyptians. Looking for “The Lament of the Priest of Ptah”.

108 Kragar  Mon, May 6, 2013 1:39:44pm

It took us an entire day to pull wounded out of Mogadishu when we had an entire special forces military unit engaged in action on the scene.

Yet they expect the military to respond instantly when they’re hundreds of miles away.

These people do not even have the slightest grasp of reality.

109 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Mon, May 6, 2013 1:39:55pm

re: #7 Vicious Babushka

And in case you didn’t think there was enough DERP:

For some unfathomable reason I listened to that whole video. My lord, that man is long-winded. He goes on and on and on and only gets to his point after leading up to it from about 6 different directions. I don’t see how anyone could listen to that for any length of time, even if they happened to agree with what he was saying.

110 GeneJockey  Mon, May 6, 2013 1:39:58pm

re: #103 Kragar

It reminds me of Homer Stokes, in ‘O Brother Where Art Thou’, talking about “Protectin’ our precious Culcha ‘n’ Her’tage!”

111 jaunte  Mon, May 6, 2013 1:40:03pm

re: #106 engineer cat

When I was young, we were taught to be discreet and
respectful of elders, but the present youth are exceedingly wise
[disrespectful] and impatient of restraint”

Wise guys, eh?

112 engineer cat  Mon, May 6, 2013 1:40:23pm

re: #107 Decatur Deb

And the early Egyptians. Looking for “The Lament of the Priest of Ptah”.

is it this one?

“We live in a decaying age. Young people no longer respect their parents. They are rude and impatient. They frequently inhabit taverns and have no self control.”

- Inscription, 6000 year-old Egyptian tomb

113 lawhawk  Mon, May 6, 2013 1:40:38pm

re: #83 Shiplord Kirel

Y A mysterious SF team in Tripoli “missed the flight” (by C-130) to Benghazi because they were ordered to stand down? Is there a scheduled C-130 flight out of Benghazi, so rigidly scheduled that it could not wait for a super-priority rescue team to board? Who does this C-130 belong to? It certainly wouldn’t be the US Air Force.

As with the earlier instance in Foreign Policy questioning whether any of these lugheads ever bothered to check Google before professing their “expertise”.

You’re assuming facts not in evidence by the way - that the GOP and nutters who are pushing the Benghazi nonsense - that they actually care about the facts and circumstances of the attack and the administration’s response.

We’re supposed to ignore that it takes (and has taken) years and even decades to bring those responsible for prior terror attacks against diplomatic missions and FSOs around the world.

You’ve got attacks that occurred in the 1980s that didn’t see justice done to Hizbullah and Imad Muginyeh until recently and even then, the US doesn’t appear to be behind that particular bit (the Israelis may have been though).

Al Qaeda’s attacks against the African embassies? We’ve still got a couple of those involved on the terror watch lists (Anas al-Liby and Saif al-Adel), but we did get OBL and KSM. That’s more than a decade later.

114 engineer cat  Mon, May 6, 2013 1:41:16pm

re: #111 jaunte

Wise guys, eh?

reminds me of my father, who would say, sarcastically, “you’re very wise!”

115 Lidane  Mon, May 6, 2013 1:42:39pm

re: #103 Kragar

“Loss of our heritage” = No longer the sole beneficiaries of special treatment and privileges.

Pretty much.

OH NOEZ! A straight, white Christian guy might have to live alongside gays, or wimminz, or minorities! Perish the thought.

116 GeneJockey  Mon, May 6, 2013 1:44:10pm

re: #115 Lidane


“Took the Mint Julep right out of my mouth!”

117 Kragar  Mon, May 6, 2013 1:46:26pm

re: #115 Lidane

Pretty much.

OH NOEZ! A straight, white Christian guy might have to live alongside gays, or wimminz, or minorities! Perish the thought.

“When you have no basis for an argument, abuse the plaintiff.”
- Marcus Tullius Cicero

118 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Mon, May 6, 2013 1:51:39pm

re: #106 engineer cat

greeks, even earlier, also, too

“What is happening to our young people? They disrespect their elders, they disobey their parents. They ignore the law. They riot in the streets inflamed with wild notions. Their morals are decaying. What is to become of them?”

- Plato, 4th century BC

“I see no hope for the future of our people if they are dependent on
frivolous youth of today, for certainly all youth are reckless beyond
words… When I was young, we were taught to be discreet and
respectful of elders, but the present youth are exceedingly wise
[disrespectful] and impatient of restraint”

- Hesiod, 8th century BC

I believe the Hesiod quote is fake.

119 A Mom Anon  Mon, May 6, 2013 1:51:45pm

I just. I can’t even. Link

120 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, May 6, 2013 1:52:57pm

re: #108 Kragar

It took us an entire day to pull wounded out of Mogadishu when we had an entire special forces military unit engaged in action on the scene.

Yet they expect the military to respond instantly when they’re hundreds of miles away.

These people do not even have the slightest grasp of reality.

Image: OOTS_Benghazi.JPG

121 Kragar  Mon, May 6, 2013 1:59:56pm

Fischer: Obama Plans to Forcibly Disarm Christians

Fischer said that Obama is “setting up the stage to take guns away from evangelicals” and classify them as terrorists: “‘You believe in Jesus Christ?’ ‘Yes I certainly do sir.’ ‘Give me your gun, we’re coming into your house and taking your guns, you’re dangerous, you’re a threat you’re an extremist, you’re a terrorist threat, we can’t let you have a gun.’”

122 wrenchwench  Mon, May 6, 2013 2:02:02pm

re: #118 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

I believe the Hesiod quote is fake.

You hornin’ in on Babushka’s beat?

/

123 engineer cat  Mon, May 6, 2013 2:03:18pm

re: #118 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

I believe the Hesiod quote is fake.

hey! ain’t you yoots got no respect??

124 Decatur Deb  Mon, May 6, 2013 2:04:49pm

re: #112 engineer cat

is it this one?

“We live in a decaying age. Young people no longer respect their parents. They are rude and impatient. They frequently inhabit taverns and have no self control.”

- Inscription, 6000 year-old Egyptian tomb

Sounds like a bit of it—found several pages of that in a Gutenburg Project, but can’t seem to select it for copy. Priest was either Apuur or a similar ‘lamenter’, Ankhu.

125 Lidane  Mon, May 6, 2013 2:06:46pm

re: #121 Kragar

Fischer: Obama Plans to Forcibly Disarm Christians

Can I forcibly take this man’s microphone and bully pulpit away from him?

His constant fail hurts mah brain.

126 wrenchwench  Mon, May 6, 2013 2:09:04pm

re: #119 A Mom Anon

I just. I can’t even. Link

I was just going to say “Pageworthy!” and look what came over the Master Spy.

127 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Mon, May 6, 2013 2:09:27pm

re: #122 wrenchwench

You hornin’ in on Babushka’s beat?

/

There’s more debunking work to be done than can be handled by a single person, even if it’s Babushka.

And while I’m at it, I harbor suspicions about the Plato quote too. So far I’ve been able to come up with only one specific attribution, to the 4th book of the Republic, and as far as I can tell it doesn’t actually occur there.

128 A Mom Anon  Mon, May 6, 2013 2:11:21pm

re: #121 Kragar

OFFS. OK, first off, where would the money come from to do this? Because not all guns are registered it would mean going to over 100 million homes and finding out who needs to be relieved of their firearms. Give me a break.

129 A Mom Anon  Mon, May 6, 2013 2:12:40pm

re: #126 wrenchwench

She’s speedy and tricksy that one is,lol.

130 Sionainn  Mon, May 6, 2013 2:13:42pm

re: #53 Bulworth

Richard Nixon’s middle name. Not sure why they think that’s relevant or clever, but…

The local RWNJ talk radio host today was trying to compare Benghazi to Watergate. Yes, he was.

131 Kragar  Mon, May 6, 2013 2:14:01pm

re: #128 A Mom Anon

OFFS. OK, first off, where would the money come from to do this? Because not all guns are registered it would mean going to over 100 million homes and finding out who needs to be relieved of their firearms. Give me a break.

George Soros and the UN.
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132 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Mon, May 6, 2013 2:16:08pm

re: #130 Sionainn

The local RWNJ talk radio host today was trying to compare Benghazi to Watergate. Yes, he was.

It’s the coverup angle. If you believe in the existence of a Benghazi coverup, the comparison is natural.

Still waiting to find out what exactly was covered up. It ought to be a real bombshell!

//

133 Lidane  Mon, May 6, 2013 2:16:42pm

Please proceed, GOP:

134 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Mon, May 6, 2013 2:17:24pm

re: #133 Lidane

Please proceed, GOP:

Please please please please

135 Kragar  Mon, May 6, 2013 2:19:16pm

re: #133 Lidane

Please proceed, GOP:

136 thedopefishlives  Mon, May 6, 2013 2:20:02pm

Afternoon Lizardim.

137 Dr. Matt  Mon, May 6, 2013 2:21:57pm

re: #133 Lidane

Please proceed, GOP:

Ohio tea partiers furious at GOP, threatening to create a third party by 2014: ow.ly/kLnkt
— Mother Jones (@MotherJones) May 6, 2013

Don’t be half-assed! Create a 4th and 5th party as well!

138 Bulworth  Mon, May 6, 2013 2:22:43pm

re: #121 Kragar

One might ask why a Christian Evangelical who believes in Jesus Christ would need or want to possess a firearm….

139 ProTARDISLiberal  Mon, May 6, 2013 2:22:58pm

Meanwhile, in Bangladesh.

At least 20 dead, hundreds hurt as Islamists demand religious laws in Bangladesh

Pro-tip to radicals: If you protest in front of the same people whose comrades you have killed in previous attacks during the Shahbag Protests and the retaliation riots, perhaps you shouldn’t start out violent.

Because then you are giving an excuse to those police to cave in your skull, and I, for one, will not condemn it. Their hateful spew towards opponents, and propensity for violence, means that this response is wholly justified.

140 wrenchwench  Mon, May 6, 2013 2:23:24pm

re: #136 thedopefishlives

Afternoon Lizardim.

How’s the baby?

141 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Mon, May 6, 2013 2:24:41pm

re: #139 ProBosniaLiberal

Meanwhile, in Bangladesh.

At least 20 dead, hundreds hurt as Islamists demand religious laws in Bangladesh

Pro-tip to radicals: If you protest in front of the same people whose comrades you have killed in previous attacks during the Shahbag Protests and the retaliation riots, perhaps you shouldn’t start out violent.

Because then you are giving an excuse to those police to cave in your skull, and I, for one, will not condemn it. Their hateful spew towards opponents, and propensity for violence, means that this response is wholly justified.

Dude. Take time to chill.

142 thedopefishlives  Mon, May 6, 2013 2:24:42pm

re: #140 wrenchwench

How’s the baby?

Precious. Also keeping us awake at night, but that’s nothing really new, is it? ;)

143 thedopefishlives  Mon, May 6, 2013 2:25:18pm

re: #138 Bulworth

One might ask why a Christian Evangelical who believes in Jesus Christ would need or want to possess a firearm….

If you knew the evangelical community and how paranoid some of these folks are, you wouldn’t be asking that question.

144 Sionainn  Mon, May 6, 2013 2:27:23pm

re: #139 ProBosniaLiberal

Meanwhile, in Bangladesh.

At least 20 dead, hundreds hurt as Islamists demand religious laws in Bangladesh

Pro-tip to radicals: If you protest in front of the same people whose comrades you have killed in previous attacks during the Shahbag Protests and the retaliation riots, perhaps you shouldn’t start out violent.

Because then you are giving an excuse to those police to cave in your skull, and I, for one, will not condemn it. Their hateful spew towards opponents, and propensity for violence, means that this response is wholly justified.

Irony.

145 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, May 6, 2013 2:30:11pm

re: #131 Kragar

George Soros and the UN.
///

Agenda 21!!!
//

146 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, May 6, 2013 2:30:55pm

re: #137 Dr. Matt

Don’t be half-assed! Create a 4th and 5th party as well!

Toga party for me, nothing less!

147 engineer cat  Mon, May 6, 2013 2:31:22pm

Ohio tea partiers furious at GOP, threatening to create a third party by 2014

so much for tea party claims that it is already an independent party!

148 ProTARDISLiberal  Mon, May 6, 2013 2:32:06pm

re: #141 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

I’m shocked the Bengali Government hasn’t banned these thugs yet. They have legitimately attacked people, minorities and government alike, and continue to act in violent manner.

There Government is being extremely restrained. In their position, I would have banned Jamaat-i-Islami and their tag-a-long groups for violence against Hindus, the Shahbag Protesters, and the Government, along with acting as Kapos to the regime in Pakistan that committed the 1971 Genocide.

re: #144 Sionainn

These thugs go for violence immediately. The moment that happens, the police need to be able to respond as needed to stop it. Notice that Shahbag did not set the Police Stations on fire, and did not pull any violent shit.

149 Decatur Deb  Mon, May 6, 2013 2:32:09pm

re: #112 engineer cat

is it this one?

“We live in a decaying age. Young people no longer respect their parents. They are rude and impatient. They frequently inhabit taverns and have no self control.”

- Inscription, 6000 year-old Egyptian tomb

Here’s the book, I can’t tease the laments out of it—they start around p. 232. Egyptian priests seem to have spent a lot of time lamenting.

en.youscribe.com

150 Kragar  Mon, May 6, 2013 2:34:21pm

My mom just got a call from the doctor’s office to remind her my Dad needs to come in on May 16th to go over his meds and follow up to his tests from earlier last month. This would be the same Doctor’s office which missed him having cancer 2 weeks earlier than he was originally diagnosed on April 14th.

I want to fucking break someone right now.

151 Sionainn  Mon, May 6, 2013 2:35:59pm

re: #150 Kragar

My mom just got a call from the doctor’s office to remind her my Dad needs to come in on May 16th to go over his meds and follow up to his tests from earlier last month. This would be the same Doctor’s office which missed him having cancer 2 weeks earlier than he was originally diagnosed on April 14th.

I want to fucking break someone right now.

I don’t blame you. Those kinds of calls are very distressing.

152 Sionainn  Mon, May 6, 2013 2:36:53pm

re: #148 ProBosniaLiberal

I’m shocked the Bengali Government hasn’t banned these thugs yet. They have legitimately attacked people, minorities and government alike, and continue to act in violent manner.

There Government is being extremely restrained. In their position, I would have banned Jamaat-i-Islami and their tag-a-long groups for violence against Hindus, the Shahbag Protesters, and the Government, along with acting as Kapos to the regime in Pakistan that committed the 1971 Genocide.

re: #144 Sionainn

These thugs go for violence immediately. The moment that happens, the police need to be able to respond as needed to stop it. Notice that Shahbag did not set the Police Stations on fire, and did not pull any violent shit.

*shaking my head*

153 ProTARDISLiberal  Mon, May 6, 2013 2:41:10pm

re: #152 Sionainn

These are violent protesters. What do you want Bangladesh to do with them?

154 Sionainn  Mon, May 6, 2013 2:42:02pm

re: #153 ProBosniaLiberal

These are violent protesters. What do you want Bangladesh to do with them?

I wasn’t commenting about that. I was noting your own apparent bloodthirstiness.

155 wrenchwench  Mon, May 6, 2013 2:43:03pm

re: #150 Kragar

I want to fucking break someone right now.

Wouldn’t be difficult to recruit some assistance. Not that it would be needed.

156 thedopefishlives  Mon, May 6, 2013 2:46:04pm

re: #150 Kragar

I want to fucking break someone right now.

I empathize. Apparently when my parents were going through the wringer with dad’s mom being diagnosed with cancer, they had some hospital shenanigans that left my dad and my mom both with the same sentiment. I extend you the same offer I extended them: I’ll gladly drive/fly out and apply some much-needed foot to ass if it comes down to it.

157 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 6, 2013 2:47:28pm

@CornagliaDebi and @KBinSC haz BLOCKED teh Babushka. I haz a sad. :(

158 Kragar  Mon, May 6, 2013 2:47:29pm

re: #155 wrenchwench

Wouldn’t be difficult to recruit some assistance. Not that it would be needed.

A reporter who was a friend of my Dad’s was visiting with my mom when they called. He said he is going to look into their practice. Life for them is about to get interesting.

159 Sionainn  Mon, May 6, 2013 2:48:00pm

re: #157 Vicious Babushka

@CornagliaDebi and @KBinSC haz BLOCKED teh Babushka. I haz a sad. :(

She can’t handle the truth!

160 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 6, 2013 2:48:45pm

re: #153 ProBosniaLiberal

These are violent protesters. What do you want Bangladesh to do with them?

If they have jobs they will be too busy to riot! 600 new positions just opened up in the fashion industry!
//

Was that too soon?

161 ProTARDISLiberal  Mon, May 6, 2013 2:51:15pm

re: #154 Sionainn

These thugs have been attacking those opposed to them, many times fatally, for most of the year now. This is beginning to tick me off, because the Bengali Gov’t hasn’t taken the gloves off yet. These guys are acting outside the political process, mostly violence, intimidation, and riots, along with a limited amount of religious cleansing.

In addition, I wish our government would take action. I sent a letter to my congressmen, (Rep.Doug Lamborn, Sen. Michael Bennet, and Sen. Mike Udall) asking for some action in putting Jamaat-i-Islami on the Foreign Terrorist Organizations list. Yes, it may have been naive, but at the same time, I felt I had to do something.

162 ProTARDISLiberal  Mon, May 6, 2013 2:52:06pm

re: #160 Vicious Babushka

Well, I have a derivative of that plan, but holding my tongue on that.

163 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, May 6, 2013 2:52:07pm

re: #160 Vicious Babushka

If they have jobs they will be too busy to riot! 600 new positions just opened up in the fashion industry!
//

Was that too soon?

naw…they’ll have a new sub-standard multi-floor factory up and running before the week is out…

164 Sionainn  Mon, May 6, 2013 2:52:36pm

re: #161 ProBosniaLiberal

These thugs have been attacking those opposed to them, many times fatally, for most of the year now. This is beginning to tick me off, because the Bengali Gov’t hasn’t taken the gloves off yet. These guys are acting outside the political process, mostly violence, intimidation, and riots, along with a limited amount of religious cleansing.

In addition, I wish our government would take action. I sent a letter to my congressmen, (Rep.Doug Lamborn, Sen. Michael Bennet, and Sen. Mike Udall) asking for some action in putting Jamaat-i-Islami on the Foreign Terrorist Organizations list. Yes, it may have been naive, but at the same time, I felt I had to do something.

Everything ticks you off and you always post about the violence that you’d like to have done to those who tick you off. Dude, it’s getting really old.

165 Political Atheist  Mon, May 6, 2013 2:52:40pm

re: #150 Kragar

My mom just got a call from the doctor’s office to remind her my Dad needs to come in on May 16th to go over his meds and follow up to his tests from earlier last month. This would be the same Doctor’s office which missed him having cancer 2 weeks earlier than he was originally diagnosed on April 14th.

I want to fucking break someone right now.

Oh Dude! I had that kind of thing with my long departed mother. $.02 worth?

My outlet was physical. If you have a physical activity you love do it till ya drop. Then sleep. Sanity maintenance.

166 simoom  Mon, May 6, 2013 2:54:49pm

On Hick’s aircraft buzzing theory and the “missed” C-130 flight.

First, within hours of the attack, prior to all of this, a team was sent out on a private plane from Tripoli to Benghazi, and a drone was deployed overhead. From the ARB report:

state.gov

Upon notification of the attack from the TDY RSO around 2145 local, Embassy Tripoli set up a command center and notified Washington. About 2150 local, the DCM was able to reach Ambassador Stevens, who briefly reported that the SMC was under attack before the call cut off. The Embassy notified Benina Airbase in Benghazi of a potential need for logistic support and aircraft for extraction and received full cooperation. The DCM contacted the Libyan President and Prime Minister’s offices to urge them to mobilize a rescue effort, and kept Washington apprised of post’s efforts. The Embassy also reached out to Libyan Air Force and Armed Forces contacts, February 17 leadership, and UN and third country embassies, among others. Within hours, Embassy Tripoli chartered a private airplane and deployed a seven-person security team, which included two U.S. military personnel, to Benghazi.

At the direction of the U.S. military’s Africa Command (AFRICOM), DoD moved a remotely piloted, unarmed surveillance aircraft which arrived over the SMC shortly before the DS team departed. A second remotely piloted, unarmed surveillance aircraft relieved the first, and monitored the eventual evacuation of personnel from the Annex to Benghazi airport later on the morning of September 12.

On the C-130 flight and the possibility of getting a fighter jet overhead:

thelead.blogs.cnn.com

Hicks recalled asking Phillips, “Is there anything coming?”

Phillips replied “that the nearest fighter planes were Aviano” – Aviano Air Base, in Italy – “that he had been told that it would take 2 to 3 hours to get them airborne, but that there were no tanker assets near enough to support a flight from Aviano,” Hicks recalled.

The C-130 left between 6 and 6:30 a.m., so the four Special Forces troops would not have arrived in time to fend off the 5:15 a.m. attack on the CIA annex in Benghazi.

167 ProTARDISLiberal  Mon, May 6, 2013 2:56:09pm

re: #164 Sionainn

These are the radicals though. However, yes I can see where this would get tiring, as I think I am getting an anger induced headache.

However, I simply see no other way to deal with radicals. They seem to go straight for violence and aggression, and leaving them be is a good way to have a Liberal Society end up dying.

168 Kragar  Mon, May 6, 2013 2:59:37pm

Ronnie Dio and the Prophets - Gonna Make it Alone

169 klys  Mon, May 6, 2013 3:01:56pm

re: #167 ProBosniaLiberal

You’ve said you’ve already done the one thing that you can do (asked your representatives for an appropriate action). I recommend you stop reading about it for the time being, take a break, look at pictures of kittens, whatever will help you relax.

Violence is rarely an answer for anything. Advocating violence against people halfway around the world from you accomplishes absolutely nothing. There are so many factors at play here; it’s not a black and white picture. Focus on changing the things around you that you can and not wishing violence and/or death on people who have no impact on your life.

170 A Mom Anon  Mon, May 6, 2013 3:04:25pm

re: #167 ProBosniaLiberal

I have a thought. Why don’t you try to fix a problem in THIS country instead of focusing on violence on the other side of the world all the time? Good heavens Dude, there are SO many wonderful, uplifting and positive things you could do that would help alleviate your anger issues. Tutor little kids who are having trouble reading, volunteer to feed the homeless or build a Habitat house, help raise money for autism research, organize a fundraiser to help your local library or start a scholarship fund for needy teenagers, help in a community garden, write a book about what it’s like to live with Asperger’s, I mean, you seem to be fairly intelligent, I’m sure you could find something else to do that would help with this anger.

One last thing, women you might want to date or be in a relationship are totally scared and turned off by the level of violence you express here. You want meaningful relationships? You HAVE to let go of this crap.

171 Romantic Heretic  Mon, May 6, 2013 3:11:39pm
Secret timeline

If it’s secret, Prudence: 1) why do you know it? Did you engage in a little espionage? If so, are you sure you want to admit to that? Treason is a felony.

2) if you were in on the secret why are you letting the secret out? Again, treason is a felony.

Or 3) Did you pull that secret timeline out of your ass?

172 Political Atheist  Mon, May 6, 2013 3:18:37pm

Afternoon smile time


Skrillex vs Mozart

Rap Battles of History!

173 Baboon Cheeks  Tue, May 7, 2013 4:17:35am

re: #139 ProBosniaLiberal

Meanwhile, in Bangladesh.

At least 20 dead, hundreds hurt as Islamists demand religious laws in Bangladesh

Pro-tip to radicals: If you protest in front of the same people whose comrades you have killed in previous attacks during the Shahbag Protests and the retaliation riots, perhaps you shouldn’t start out violent.

Because then you are giving an excuse to those police to cave in your skull, and I, for one, will not condemn it. Their hateful spew towards opponents, and propensity for violence, means that this response is wholly justified.

How about changing your nick to “ProLifeDeathMonger”?

174 Bulworth  Tue, May 7, 2013 6:32:28am

re: #166 simoom

Thanks. You’d think a major cable teevee news network like CNN could obtain information like this and present it to its viewers. But you’d be thinking too much of CNN, which also last night was bitching about supposedly how long it took the FBI to arrive and pursue the bad guys, which in the movies is done right away.


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