Why Did the Military Tell a Special Forces Team Not to Fly to Benghazi? (For Good Reasons)

They were armed only with 9mm pistols
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Yesterday the direction of the upcoming Benghazi testimony by State Department “whistle-blowers” became clear, as the most damaging accusation emerged — that a four-man Special Forces team was at the US embassy in Tripoli, but was denied permission to go to Benghazi. NBC reports that the military has now confirmed this detail:

Official: US Special Forces Team Wasn’t Allowed to Fly to Benghazi During Attack.

Gregory Hicks, then deputy chief of the U.S. diplomatic mission in Libya, told investigators for the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee that U.S. officials had persuaded the Libyan government to allow the Special Forces operatives to board the rescue flight from Tripoli to Benghazi. But an officer received a phone call telling them to stand down before they left for the airport, according to excerpts of his account made available to NBC News on Monday. That conversation occurred after the U.S. ambassador to Libya and another American had been killed in the initial attack, but hours before a second attack that killed two other Americans.

Hicks quoted a Special Forces commander as telling him, “I have never been so embarrassed in my life, that a State Department officer has bigger balls than somebody in the military,” referring to his willingness to authorize the mission.

Mr. Hicks may be a fine public servant, but I have to say that in his public statements he’s coming off as a self-aggrandizing egomaniac. But swollen ego aside, is his story accurate?

First, note that if the four-man team had been authorized to go to Benghazi, they would have been the second group of US personnel to do so; a group of six Americans had already flown to Benghazi earlier, and two of those Americans were killed in a mortar attack.

Why would the military tell this additional group of Special Forces soldiers to stand down? That sounds pretty bad, right? If you read the right wing blogs and media, they’re hammering this talking point ferociously.

But it turns out there’s a good, simple explanation for it. A two-part explanation, in fact:

  • The Special Forces team was not prepared for a combat mission; they were on a fact-finding tour of US embassies in the Middle East, gathering information on security, and they were armed only with handguns.
  • At that point, the situation was still unclear and officials were worried that the embassy in Tripoli might also become a target.

U.S. military officials confirmed late Monday that a four-man Special Operations Forces team was denied permission to leave the US Embassy in Tripoli following reports that the consulate in Benghazi had been attacked.

The officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the team was reviewing security at U.S. embassies throughout the Middle East and was not prepared for a combat assault mission, being armed with only 9mm sidearms.

They also noted that the situation at Benghazi remained unclear and there were concerns the Embassy in Tripoli also could become a target.

Now watch, as Darrell Issa and the entire right wing media machine proceed to take the “stand down” order completely out of context, and ignore these exculpatory details.

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356 comments
1 GeneJockey  Tue, May 7, 2013 12:52:24pm
Now watch, as Darrell Issa and the entire right wing media machine proceed to take the “stand down” order completely out of context, and ignore these exculpatory details.

Ya think?

2 efuseakay  Tue, May 7, 2013 12:53:35pm

Let’s hope Hillary et al make these details abundantly clear over and over again.

3 erik_t  Tue, May 7, 2013 12:56:21pm

Examinations of in-air refueling and flight times and reaction speed are all well and good, but “they only had pistols and they were afraid their own location would be attacked” is the kind of “Oh, duh” explanation that resonates with Joe Dimcitizen.

It’s nice when there’s such a succinct answer to such a stupid and bloviatory question.

4 FemNaziBitch  Tue, May 7, 2013 12:57:55pm

Is it just me, or is the idea of diplomats going into a war zone a risky one to begin with? I think those that did go were well aware of what they were doing.

The GOP seems to think they should never encounter a dangerous situation. IMHO, the people that went CHOSE to go.

5 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 7, 2013 12:59:00pm

re: #4 FemNaziBitch

Is it just me, or is the idea of diplomats going into a war zone a risky one to begin with? I think those that did go were well aware of what they were doing.

The GOP seems to think they should never encounter a dangerous situation. IMHO, the people that went CHOSE to go.

It’s part of the risk when you sign up with the State Department. It’s something I thought about as I’ve considered a career with DoS.

6 AntonSirius  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:00:40pm

re: #2 efuseakay

Let’s hope Hillary et al make these details abundantly clear over and over again.

That would require someone willing to listen to those details.

7 GeneJockey  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:01:11pm

Wait - FOUR MAN TEAM? Armed with PISTOLS? What in hell were they supposed to do when they got there? I mean, I like a good action movie as much as the next guy, but seriously.

8 Bulworth  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:02:27pm
Now watch, as Darrell Issa and the entire right wing media machine proceed to take the “stand down” order completely out of context, and ignore these exculpatory details.

And now let us watch also as the media further botches the story by muddling or not including these details in their “reporting”.

9 Tigger2  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:02:33pm

Yeah the right can twist anything around to meet their warped imaginations on the way the world is and how facts should be to meet their agenda.

10 Bulworth  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:03:59pm
First, note that if the four-man team had been authorized to go to Benghazi, they would have been the second group of US personnel to do so; a group of six Americans had already flown to Benghazi earlier, and two of those Americans were killed in a mortar attack.

This would seem like a BFD. Let us watch how the media barkers fail to address it.

11 lawhawk  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:04:48pm

So, the higher ups were worried that the Benghazi attack could degrade the security situation at the Tripoli embassy compound, so they didn’t want to weaken an already depleted security team (having sent forces to Benghazi - two of which were killed). That all seems reasonable.

A question that isn’t addressed in the NBC report- why were the SOF armed with only handguns? Is that standard operating procedure for diplomatic missions in unstable environments? This seems unreasonable.

We’ve already seen the DoD adjust its policies and procedures by setting up a special command to deal with these situations and to respond with forces on the ground within 4-6 hours (from a base in Spain). So, clearly the DoD didn’t have this capability before and State didn’t consider this in their force protection plans either.

Someone who’s on the ground like Hicks may have a very different view of what’s going on - micro view versus macro view. Hicks may think that everything is going to hell in Benghazi and that all resources nearby should be used to come to the rescue. The guy with the macro view (his superiors at State - and later coordinating with DoD) may see that by shifting resources too far to assist, they are opening the door to an attack on their main compound and imperil even more FSOs and civilians - and putting the rescue of those at the other location in risk as well. Logistics and maintaining the supply chain come into play too. It’s a balancing act.

12 Tigger2  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:04:57pm

re: #7 GeneJockey

Wait - FOUR MAN TEAM? Armed with PISTOLS? What in hell were they supposed to do when they got there? I mean, I like a good action movie as much as the next guy, but seriously.

The crazies in this country are armed better than that 4 man team was.

13 HoosierHoops  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:07:38pm

re: #7 GeneJockey

Wait - FOUR MAN TEAM? Armed with PISTOLS? What in hell were they supposed to do when they got there? I mean, I like a good action movie as much as the next guy, but seriously.

America generally learns from oversight and logistical mistakes.. Just like 9-11 2001. I’m quite sure the next time an embassy is attacked they will meet some bad ass Marines armed to the teeth.

14 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:09:35pm

re: #3 erik_t

Examinations of in-air refueling and flight times and reaction speed are all well and good, but “they only had pistols and they were afraid their own location would be attacked” is the kind of “Oh, duh” explanation that resonates with Joe Dimcitizen.

It’s nice when there’s such a succinct answer to such a stupid and bloviatory question.

they were Good Guys with Guns: God intended that they should triumph over Obamevil

15 Charles Johnson  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:10:02pm

re: #11 lawhawk

A question that isn’t addressed in the NBC report- why were the SOF armed with only handguns? Is that standard operating procedure for diplomatic missions in unstable environments? This seems unreasonable.

Actually, they do address it:

…the team was reviewing security at U.S. embassies throughout the Middle East and was not prepared for a combat assault mission.

They were not on a combat mission - they were gathering info on embassy security.

16 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:10:37pm

re: #11 lawhawk

I bet if we hadn’t slashed funding for State Department security we might have had more options.

Thanks, GOP.

17 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:10:46pm

re: #11 lawhawk

A question that isn’t addressed in the NBC report- why were the SOF armed with only handguns? Is that standard operating procedure for diplomatic missions in unstable environments? This seems unreasonable.

Uh, read the quote again:

The officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the team was reviewing security at U.S. embassies throughout the Middle East and was not prepared for a combat assault mission, being armed with only 9mm sidearms.

18 Lidane  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:11:10pm

re: #7 GeneJockey

Wait - FOUR MAN TEAM? Armed with PISTOLS? What in hell were they supposed to do when they got there? I mean, I like a good action movie as much as the next guy, but seriously.

WULVEREEEEENZ!!!!!!!

19 HoosierHoops  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:13:56pm

Charles..My spell check stopped working a few days ago.
I’m running XP with Firefox 16.0.1
Thanks

20 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:14:33pm

re: #19 HoosierHoops

Charles..My spell check stopped working a few days ago.
I’m running XP with Firefox 16.0.1
Thanks

Lern how to spel

21 Lidane  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:14:46pm

Sorry for the early OT, but this just happened:

So much for the evil socialist in the White House killing the economy.

22 wrenchwench  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:15:51pm

re: #19 HoosierHoops

Charles..My spell check stopped working a few days ago.
I’m running XP with Firefox 16.0.1
Thanks

Hahaha! You’re going to make Charles fire up the XP!

Which I also have, but my spell checker(s) are OK.

23 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:16:11pm

re: #21 Lidane

Sorry for the early OT, but this just happened:

So much for the evil socialist in the White House killing the economy.

He is managing to trash both GOP arguments at once: that Obama is strangling the economy and that a healthy stock market is the indicatino of a growing economy and job market…

24 HoosierHoops  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:17:42pm

re: #21 Lidane

Sorry for the early OT, but this just happened:

So much for the evil socialist in the White House killing the economy.

If I had money in the market I’d get out now cause I think there is a correction coming soon..
/ I dunno..I’ve never invested in the Market..Too much risk for this kid.

25 Bulworth  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:17:56pm

re: #21 Lidane

Sorry for the early OT, but this just happened:

So much for the evil socialist in the White House killing the economy.

Bubble!! Benghazi!! End the FED!! Fiat Money!! GOLD!! Hyperinflation Zimbabwe!!

26 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:18:34pm

re: #21 Lidane

Sorry for the early OT, but this just happened:

So much for the evil socialist in the White House killing the economy.

moar evidenz he iz a total fail…as a socialist fascist commie…

27 GeneJockey  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:19:14pm

re: #21 Lidane

Sorry for the early OT, but this just happened:

So much for the evil socialist in the White House killing the economy.

HE’S A SOCIALIST INTENT ON DESTROYING CAPITALISM, WHO HAPPENS TO BE IN BED WITH THE WALLSTREET FATCATS!!!11!

It doesn’t have to make sense.

28 GeneJockey  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:21:41pm

re: #18 Lidane

WULVEREEEEENZ!!!!!!!

I said I like a good action movie…

29 erik_t  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:24:17pm

re: #28 GeneJockey

I said I like a good action movie…

Anyone have a gauntlet handy? Someone needs one across the cheek.

And I suppose I’ll need a second.

30 Political Atheist  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:28:34pm

re: #21 Lidane

Sorry for the early OT, but this just happened:

So much for the evil socialist in the White House killing the economy.

Great news for the 1%. When Main street gets some I’ll be more impressed.
Drop in labor participation rate is distress signal

Now I had thought the consensus was that a top heavy Wall street recovery is a result of much discredited Bush era policy.

31 kirkspencer  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:29:08pm

Might be useful to read the official report of the accountability board. A lot of what caused the problem is that Benghazi was a temporary mission (special mission), which meant it was NOT an official long-term facility which would have automatically had funds and equipment and personnel sent to it, which in turn meant that everyone there was temporary. Heck, the RSO in charge of security was changed every two weeks to two months.

The report identifies a lot of things done wrong. The problem from the right wing position is that it doesn’t stretch the blame to Clinton or Obama.

32 Bulworth  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:30:11pm

re: #15 Charles Johnson

Our troops begged fer help and traitor Obummer ignored them let them die ARGLE BARGLE

33 GeneJockey  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:30:58pm

re: #31 kirkspencer

The report identifies a lot of things done wrong. The problem from the right wing position is that it doesn’t stretch the blame to Clinton or Obama.

Actually the problem from the right wing position, I believe, is the requirement to READ.

34 Cardio (formerly JRCMYP)  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:31:46pm

re: #17 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society

Uh, read the quote again:

Call me dense—or as someone above said—Ms. Dimcitizen—but I don’t get who get’s what type of weaponry and why. I know nothing about guns. Is it standard to only have a 9mm sidearm? Believe it or not, my dad was in the NSA in the late 60s and 70s. When he went “to deliver stuff” (I’ve never received a better description than that of what he did) he would “check out” a sidearm to take with him on his travels. Is that kind of weaponry just standard for any diplomatic or special services employee? I have no idea. If it is, I imagine this whole Bengazhi kerfluffle as being my dad sent out on a “mission” only to find himself potentially in a combat situation where he had no business being in one. I just don’t understand who these people are and what their expected jobs would be.

35 Bulworth  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:31:57pm

re: #31 kirkspencer

Oh there’s a report? The Most Trusted Name In News didn’t tell me about this. /

36 Amory Blaine  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:32:11pm

re: #30 Political Atheist

This means shit for most of us.

America’s Youth Unemployment Rate Is One Of The Worst Of Wealthy, Large Economies: Report

In the constant race to be the best America is falling behind other large, wealthy nations in at least one major category: Employing the nation’s youth.

In 2000, the United States had the lowest unemployment rate for 25- to 34-year-olds among countries with large, wealthy economies. By 2011, America had one of the highest youth unemployment rates compared to its peers, according to a New York Times op-ed by David Leonhardt, the paper’s Washington bureau chief.

How did the table’s turn on America’s youth? As unemployment soared during the Great Recession, young people — with and without college degrees — were forced to compete with more experienced candidates suddenly out of a job for very few openings. The result: Nearly half of the nation’s unemployed are under the age of 34, according to a report last month from public policy organization Demos.

This is a goddamn tragedy in the making.

37 FemNaziBitch  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:32:15pm
38 dragonath  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:32:53pm

I’m kind of amused there’s so many articles on Google News labeled

Dow Jones industrial average back above 15000

…how can it be back when it hasn’t ever been there?

39 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:33:54pm

re: #38 dragonath

…Dow Jones industrial average back above 15000…

I’m kind of amused there’s so many articles of Google News labeled

…how can it be back when it hasn’t ever been there?

details…petty details…

40 erik_t  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:34:09pm

re: #38 dragonath

I’m kind of amused there’s so many articles on Google News labeled

…how can it be back when it hasn’t ever been there?

It broke 15,000 late last week, but did not close there.

41 freetoken  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:35:10pm

re: #15 Charles Johnson

They were not on a combat mission - they were gathering info on embassy security.

Details, details, details….

What matters is

BENGHAZI!!!

42 Cardio (formerly JRCMYP)  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:35:50pm

re: #15 Charles Johnson

Actually, they do address it:

They were not on a combat mission - they were gathering info on embassy security.

So, when we call them “special forces” really we’re talking about people who were analysts, not people who were trained (or at least expecting to be suddenly thrust into) a combat mission?

43 Bulworth  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:36:10pm

re: #30 Political Atheist

It’s just ironic to see the DOW climb to record highs with a MarxistSoshulist in the WH who hates capitalism and the free market economy and hates American bidnessmen, etc. //

44 lawhawk  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:36:25pm

re: #15 Charles Johnson

I do get that - and maybe this is a case of semantics, but if you’ve got a security team that is checking security at potentially unstable environments, sending them on their security check mission with only 9mm handguns seems like a lack of prudence. That too could be a SOP, but one that should be reassessed in light of the outcome in Benghazi.

In other words, if you’re sending a security detail to check security at diplomatic facilities in unstable areas, they should have the capabilities at hand to respond to a potential emergency at one of the facilities. At a minimum, that should mean carrying their long weapons - rifles, machine guns, etc.

That too, has costs, and with the sequester and penny pinching by DoD and State means that security preparations aren’t what they ought to be.

45 Vicious Babushka  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:36:42pm

Teh Twitterz is overflowing with DERP

46 freetoken  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:37:44pm

Darrell Issa … from San Diego, is one of the richer men in Congress.

And how did he make his money?

Selling car alarms.

How did he become so expert in car alarms?

Because he is an admitted car thief, that’s why.

47 GeneJockey  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:38:04pm

re: #45 Vicious Babushka

Teh Twitterz is overflowing with DERP

DEMAND ANSWERS

Ask coherent questions.

48 dragonath  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:38:04pm

Kinda expecting some right winger to say the stock market was highest under Hoover, inflation adjusted, or something.

49 Vicious Babushka  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:38:40pm

DERP

51 Vicious Babushka  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:39:33pm

DERP

52 Amory Blaine  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:39:36pm

If Hillary runs and wins, we’ll be hearing about Benghazi for at least 10 more years.

AAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!

53 Bulworth  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:40:30pm

re: #47 GeneJockey

And listen to the answers. slowly. so. you’ll. understand.

54 Amory Blaine  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:40:45pm

re: #50 Varek Raith

Don’t worry Douchy and crew will be back on point in no time!!

55 Vicious Babushka  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:41:03pm

DERP

56 erik_t  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:41:03pm

re: #42 Cardio (formerly JRCMYP)

So, when we call them “special forces” really we’re talking about people who were analysts, not people who were trained (or at least expecting to be suddenly thrust into) a combat mission?

One would presume we’re talking about Green Berets, about which on Wikipedia:

The United States Army Special Forces, also known as the Green Berets because of their distinctive service headgear, are a special operations force tasked with five primary missions: unconventional warfare (the original and most important mission of Special Forces), foreign internal defense, special reconnaissance, direct action, and counter-terrorism.

They would be the logical unit that would be poking around various different State facilities and assessing security. A group of four, lightly armed, would certainly be able to do no more than investigate.

I don’t necessarily agree that they should have been better armed or greater in number. They would presumably be travelling point-to-point by helicopter between various US facilities that already had an armed presence. Making them tote around rifles would put them in a different mindset and distract them from their actual job that mission, which is looking and thinking in an abstract way.

57 Bulworth  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:41:16pm

re: #51 Vicious Babushka

Coverup!! What was covered-up? Who cares Cover-Up!!

58 dragonath  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:41:44pm

Are impeaches tasty? Are they juicy sweet?

59 Bulworth  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:42:17pm

re: #55 Vicious Babushka

Probably becuase TCOT TGDN has blocked all opposing views. Nah, that couldn’t be….

/

60 Vicious Babushka  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:42:19pm

DERP


DERP

61 AntonSirius  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:42:42pm

re: #21 Lidane

Sorry for the early OT, but this just happened:

So much for the evil socialist in the White House killing the economy.

Heroic Jawb Creeaytors can overcome any adversity through the sheer force of their trust funds will and derring-do.

62 erik_t  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:43:09pm

re: #60 Vicious Babushka

DERP

Damn, Bob, you are so fucking far down the rabbit hole I’m afraid you’ll hit mantle.

63 Bulworth  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:43:10pm

re: #55 Vicious Babushka

Not sure somebody calling him-herself “psychosix” should be questioning anyone else about anything.

64 Amory Blaine  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:43:59pm

re: #62 erik_t

Damn, Bob, you are so fucking far down the rabbit hole I’m afraid you’ll hit mantle.

That’s where the gold is!!!!

65 Cardio (formerly JRCMYP)  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:44:18pm

re: #56 erik_t

Thank you.

66 Bulworth  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:44:25pm

re: #60 Vicious Babushka

Just retweet and Impeachment will Happen!!

It’s magic.

//

67 Vicious Babushka  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:44:40pm

DERP

68 Gus  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:44:58pm

re: #60 Vicious Babushka

DERP

That’s right. Because re-Tweeting will lead to impeachment. Super-derp.

69 dragonath  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:46:02pm

NO ONE CAN WITHSTAND DERPO-PRIME

70 GeneJockey  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:46:14pm

re: #68 Gus

Hey, retweeting has magical powers, right up there with signing internet petitions.

//

71 Varek Raith  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:46:26pm

Reply to this post to increase my bank account!

72 Gus  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:46:57pm

re: #71 Varek Raith

Reply to this post to increase my bank account!

Ron Paul!

73 122 Year Old Obama  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:47:17pm

re: #71 Varek Raith

No.

Wait a minute…

74 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:47:22pm

re: #49 Vicious Babushka

DERP

Ambassador Stevens 1 month before the attack requested a Marine detail as he was on a Al-Queda hit list.

This one is especially stupid. Stevens was stationed at the embassy in Tripoli, where there is already a Marine security detail. It is considered a plum assignment in the Corps, btw, since this is the very same Tripoli referenced in the Marine Hymn.

75 jaunte  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:47:59pm

re: #60 Vicious Babushka

Never Retweet! Never Surrender!

76 GeneJockey  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:48:21pm

re: #71 Varek Raith

Reply to this post to increase my bank account!

If just 10 of you send me $1000 each, I’ll reveal how I made $10,000 without risking a penny!

77 Gus  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:48:45pm

re: #75 jaunte

Never Retweet! Never Surrender!

Damn the re-Tweets! Full Tweets ahead!

78 GeneJockey  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:49:02pm

re: #75 jaunte

Aw, geez.

79 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:49:09pm

re: #49 Vicious Babushka

DERP

And to whom did he make that request?
John McCain!

80 Bulworth  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:49:14pm

Retweet to Save America!!

81 Amory Blaine  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:49:18pm

Buy my Obamacare book!!!

82 Gus  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:49:35pm

Make this go viral!

83 FemNaziBitch  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:49:54pm

I want my migraine to go away permanently. Can ya’ll tweet and retweet that for me?

84 GeneJockey  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:50:25pm

Tweet and re-tweet were sitting on a fence. Tweet fell off…

85 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:50:50pm

Afternoon lizards! Impressive springtime thunderstorms are rolling though my area. My kid’s school delayed bussing the kids home for about an hour and a half.

86 Vicious Babushka  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:52:01pm

DERP

87 dragonath  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:52:14pm

re: #82 Gus

Make this go viral!

More viral than a anti-vax convention!

88 Vicious Babushka  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:52:33pm

DERP

89 Varek Raith  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:52:37pm

re: #83 FemNaziBitch

I want my migraine to go away permanently. Can ya’ll tweet and retweet that for me?

I took the day off because of one. :/

90 jaunte  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:53:07pm

re: #86 Vicious Babushka

For the Left the lesson of Watergate was to silence the Press.

????????

91 Vicious Babushka  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:53:15pm

DERP

92 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:53:18pm

re: #86 Vicious Babushka

I don’t even….

wait…I’ll just have a drink or two and maybe then that will make sense.

93 Vicious Babushka  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:53:31pm

DERP

94 Varek Raith  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:53:34pm

re: #86 Vicious Babushka

DERP

Lol….

95 Vicious Babushka  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:53:51pm

There is such a tsunami of Derp I can’t even read it all.

96 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:54:05pm
97 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:55:09pm

re: #86 Vicious Babushka

@BreitTwit1

For the Left the lesson of Watergate was to silence the Press. But you can’t silence the Truth. #Benghazi #UniteBlue #p2 #TGDN #tcot

If the press was silenced, how did we hear about it?

I need moar Scotch…

98 Bulworth  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:55:18pm

re: #93 Vicious Babushka

Another hardworking Amercian….

99 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:55:30pm

No doubt some clever wingnut will now suggest that the SF could just have borrowed some weapons from the Marine guards in Tripoli. Besides the obvious—— nobody knew if the Marines might need those weapons in Tripoli before the night was out——the guard details are pretty lightly armed themselves, basically to police standards. Besides the ubiquitous handguns, they have M-16s, shotguns, and grenade launchers. The grenades are riot gas types. They do not have support weapons or even light anti-tank weapons. Besides their personal weapons, the hundreds of Ansar-al-Islam terrorists in Benghazi had heavy machine guns (12.7 and 14.5), RPGs, and at least one 120mm mortar. It was a pretty sad excuse for an army, but 4 guys wouldn’t have made a lot of difference, even if they had been provided with all the weapons they could carry.

100 Vicious Babushka  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:55:53pm

DERP

101 GeneJockey  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:55:59pm

re: #97 Backwoods_Sleuth

If the press was silenced, how did we hear about it?

I need moar Scotch…

Because Truth can’t be silenced, silly!

102 Bulworth  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:56:51pm

re: #86 Vicious Babushka

Republicans helped expose the Watergate crimes of Democrat Party President Richard Nixon. //

103 Varek Raith  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:57:08pm

For the Right, the lesson of Watergate was to turn Nixon into a Dem.
Or Benghazi.
Something.

104 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:58:08pm

This is a big problem in Syria. Did Assad just cut off the Internet?


105 celticdragon  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:59:03pm

re: #62 erik_t

Damn, Bob, you are so fucking far down the rabbit hole I’m afraid you’ll hit mantle.

Be sure to bring back samples. Thin sections of fresh peridotite would be sweet under a polarizing light microscope!

106 FemNaziBitch  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:59:08pm

re: #104 NJDhockeyfan

This is a big problem in Syria. Did Assad just cut off the Internet?

I’ve been busy with the MS walk last week, did Israel fly over Syria?

107 Gus  Tue, May 7, 2013 1:59:26pm

Yep, the right wing noise machine is seriously hard at work today about Benghazi.

108 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, May 7, 2013 2:00:02pm

I think I need a kitten break…heading out to the shop for a few minutes to check on them. Even if I can’t see them yet (momma cat has them well hidden under a pile of stuff in the storage area and they are only 8 days old) maybe I can hear a tiny mew. or something…

109 FemNaziBitch  Tue, May 7, 2013 2:00:44pm

re: #108 Backwoods_Sleuth

I think I need a kitten break…heading out to the shop for a few minutes to check on them. Even if I can’t see them yet (momma cat has them well hidden under a pile of stuff in the storage area and they are only 8 days old) maybe I can hear a tiny mew. or something…

evidence of warm fuzzys is always a good thing

110 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, May 7, 2013 2:01:02pm

re: #106 FemNaziBitch

I’ve been busy with the MS walk last week, did Israel fly over Syria?

Not that I know of.

111 Bulworth  Tue, May 7, 2013 2:01:13pm

re: #107 Gus

Amazed they’ve lost so much interest in the Boston attacks so soon. I guess the Saudi National dude didn’t pan out. //

112 freetoken  Tue, May 7, 2013 2:01:25pm

In other news, there appears to be a circular squad today, on immigration.

Heritage released a report, being denounced by the anointed next GOP presidential candidate:

Rubio calls Heritage immigration report not ‘legitimate’

113 Gus  Tue, May 7, 2013 2:01:53pm

Maybe what PBO should do is blame Benghazi on the CIA and the FBI much the same like the Bush WH blamed both for 9/11.

114 FemNaziBitch  Tue, May 7, 2013 2:02:04pm

re: #112 freetoken

In other news, there appears to be a circular squad today, on immigration.

Heritage released a report, being denounced by the anointed next GOP presidential candidate:

Rubio calls Heritage immigration report not ‘legitimate’

ooooohhhhhh, he gonna get in troUBLE!

115 Minor_L  Tue, May 7, 2013 2:02:15pm

All this attention on Bengazi smells like desperation. They can’t find any real reason to impeach Obama.

116 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, May 7, 2013 2:03:17pm
117 GeneJockey  Tue, May 7, 2013 2:03:25pm

re: #100 Vicious Babushka

The Left’s defense of @BarackObama on #Benghazi is as weak as his defense of the consulate.

This is one of the crazy things - there’s such a tidal wave of complete unfounded bullshit that there’s no way to refute it all in real time. Any idiot with a computer or a smartphone can say any damned thing in the time it takes to type it out, but finding counter evidence takes time, and when you do, they challenge your sources, insult you personally, and make another stupid, unfounded accusation, then 5 minutes, 5 hours, or 5 days later someone else just repeats the original unfounded accusation.

You get buried under the shitslide, and give up, and they say, “He couldn’t defend Obama!”

118 FemNaziBitch  Tue, May 7, 2013 2:03:34pm

re: #115 Minor_L

All this attention on Bengazi smells like desperation. They can’t find any real reason to impeach Obama.

It is desperation. A group of seasoned diplomats choose to go into a war zone. It goes bad, very bad. Somehow, Obama is to blame.

I just don’t get it.

119 freetoken  Tue, May 7, 2013 2:03:45pm

re: #114 FemNaziBitch

The Paleos will never accept Rubio, other than the tongue-talkers over in the Pentecostal camp. The VDARE crowd despise Rubio, but I expect the institutional GOP to still push Rubio as the Next One.

120 freetoken  Tue, May 7, 2013 2:04:20pm

re: #115 Minor_L

All this attention on Bengazi smells like desperation. They can’t find any real reason to impeach Obama.

And they’ve been trying for 5 years now.

121 Minor_L  Tue, May 7, 2013 2:06:39pm

re: #117 GeneJockey

It’s impossible to argue with people who have reached a conclusion first, and are now trying to fit the facts to that conclusion. That’s why arguing with conspiracy theorists is always futile. I mean, I could try to teach my dog calculus, but who’s the idiot in that scenario. ;-)

122 Minor_L  Tue, May 7, 2013 2:07:33pm

re: #118 FemNaziBitch

The answer is so easy and yet… That’s the hill they’ve chosen to die on, I guess.

123 jaunte  Tue, May 7, 2013 2:08:42pm

re: #117 GeneJockey

124 Minor_L  Tue, May 7, 2013 2:08:45pm

re: #120 freetoken

Thus, the increasing desperation and agitation to go along with it.

125 EPR-radar  Tue, May 7, 2013 2:08:58pm

re: #115 Minor_L

All this attention on Bengazi smells like desperation. They can’t find any real reason to impeach Obama.

My pet theory is that this irrational persistence is simply frustration that Benghazi did not end up costing Obama the re-election in 2012.

I’d like to see the House Republicans actually pass articles of impeachment in the House, only to go down in in the Senate. This would be completely consistent with the laser-like ‘focus on jobs’ that the House Republicans have demonstrated since 2010.

126 GeneJockey  Tue, May 7, 2013 2:09:06pm

re: #121 Minor_L

I had a friend who described it as ‘wrasslin’ with pigs’ - you end up every bit as dirty as the pigs, and the pigs just enjoy it.

127 Bulworth  Tue, May 7, 2013 2:12:10pm

Also, too, this just happened:

State Senate of Delaware passes Same-Sex Marriage legislation.

128 kirkspencer  Tue, May 7, 2013 2:12:32pm

re: #125 EPR-radar

My pet theory is that this irrational persistence is simply frustration that Benghazi did not end up costing Obama the re-election in 2012.

I’d like to see the House Republicans actually pass articles of impeachment in the House, only to go down in in the Senate. This would be completely consistent with the laser-like ‘focus on jobs’ that the House Republicans have demonstrated since 2010.

Nah. I agree with Charles and others - it’s a preemptive strike on President Hillary Clinton.

129 Kragar  Tue, May 7, 2013 2:13:02pm

Well, took the ride up to LA to spend the rest of the week with my mom. She is lying down while I cover the phone.

130 EPR-radar  Tue, May 7, 2013 2:14:12pm

re: #117 GeneJockey

This is one of the crazy things - there’s such a tidal wave of complete unfounded bullshit that there’s no way to refute it all in real time. Any idiot with a computer or a smartphone can say any damned thing in the time it takes to type it out, but finding counter evidence takes time, and when you do, they challenge your sources, insult you personally, and make another stupid, unfounded accusation, then 5 minutes, 5 hours, or 5 days later someone else just repeats the original unfounded accusation.

You get buried under the shitslide, and give up, and they say, “He couldn’t defend Obama!”

The Gish Gallop in action. Often used as a debating tactic by creationists, it has recently been used by presidential candidates (e.g., Romney’s debates with Obama, especially the first one).

The GOP is presently engaged in making the Gish Gallop an integral part of its approach to governance in general.

131 FemNaziBitch  Tue, May 7, 2013 2:14:22pm

re: #127 Bulworth

Also, too, this just happened:

State Senate of Delaware passes Same-Sex Marriage legislation.

#11?

132 Bulworth  Tue, May 7, 2013 2:14:46pm
It’s impossible to argue with people who have reached a conclusion first, and are now trying to fit the facts to that conclusion.

This. And the conclusion(s) keep changing anyway.

133 Lidane  Tue, May 7, 2013 2:15:11pm

re: #52 Amory Blaine

If Hillary runs and wins, we’ll be hearing about Benghazi for at least 10 more years.

AAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!

If she’d won in 2008, we’d still be hearing about Monica Lewinsky, Whitewater, blue dresses, and Vince Foster.

At least now they’ve got a new bugaboo to derp about. =P

134 Bulworth  Tue, May 7, 2013 2:15:19pm

re: #131 FemNaziBitch

Yes. Presumably Governor needs to sign but Governor apparently supports.

135 EPR-radar  Tue, May 7, 2013 2:16:54pm

re: #132 Bulworth

This. And the conclusion(s) keep changing anyway.

This depends on how the conclusion is defined. Pay no attention to the issues. The conclusion is always that elected officials, especially the president, need to be (the right kind of) Republican.

136 GeneJockey  Tue, May 7, 2013 2:17:13pm

re: #130 EPR-radar

Yes. The Gish Gallop is especially effective when there’s one sane person and a large group of idiots. You end up having to re-debunk something you thoroughly debunked before. It drove me off a forum I’d been on for years, when some idiot said, for the Nth time, “Every time we’ve cut taxes, we’ve increased revenues!”

It’s like fighting the Hydra. Cut off one lie and two grow in its place.

137 darthstar  Tue, May 7, 2013 2:17:32pm

re: #127 Bulworth

Also, too, this just happened:

State Senate of Delaware passes Same-Sex Marriage legislation.

Shit…I’m going to have to send more locusts…
—God.

//

138 Lidane  Tue, May 7, 2013 2:17:51pm

OUTRAGE!

139 Gus  Tue, May 7, 2013 2:19:05pm

re: #138 Lidane

OUTRAGE!

First gay marriage and soon they’ll have Sharia law in Delaware! Just you wait and see!
— Wingnut

140 GeneJockey  Tue, May 7, 2013 2:19:58pm

re: #139 Gus

First gay marriage and soon they’ll have Sharia law in Delaware! Just you wait and see!
— Wingnut

MAKES SENSE TO ME!!! BENGHAZI!

141 Lidane  Tue, May 7, 2013 2:20:46pm

re: #131 FemNaziBitch

#11?

You betcha!

142 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, May 7, 2013 2:21:05pm

re: #109 FemNaziBitch

evidence of warm fuzzys is always a good thing

pouring down rain on the metal roof out there, but I did hear a teeny tiny cry. I bought some tasty canned catfood as a change of pace from dry food for momma cat…she’s in heaven right now.
And I’m soaked with wet stuff falling from the sky…

143 FemNaziBitch  Tue, May 7, 2013 2:21:27pm

re: #141 Lidane

You betcha!

I’ve lost track here in Illinois. Sent my emails to legislators last week…

144 FemNaziBitch  Tue, May 7, 2013 2:22:05pm

I gotta go to class in a bit and the dogs want to be fed BEFORE I go.

Have a good evening all!

145 Decatur Deb  Tue, May 7, 2013 2:22:33pm

re: #127 Bulworth

Also, too, this just happened:

State Senate of Delaware passes Same-Sex Marriage legislation.

Is my straight marriage still valid there if I’m only transiting on I95?

146 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Tue, May 7, 2013 2:23:26pm

My brother has accepted the job offer and is going to be wrassling with black bears and moose calves up in Alaska. I totally want to go up there and make a reality show about it.

With the caribou, the only way they have of keeping the mother from kicking the shit out of the biologist when it tries to grab the calf is by using the helicopter to scare it. This should make for good comedy, the day a caribou decides it ain’t afraid of no fancy flying machine.

147 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, May 7, 2013 2:25:22pm

re: #129 Kragar

gotta {{hug}} you again, Kragar.

148 kirkspencer  Tue, May 7, 2013 2:27:17pm

re: #136 GeneJockey

Yes. The Gish Gallop is especially effective when there’s one sane person and a large group of idiots. You end up having to re-debunk something you thoroughly debunked before. It drove me off a forum I’d been on for years, when some idiot said, for the Nth time, “Every time we’ve cut taxes, we’ve increased revenues!”

It’s like fighting the Hydra. Cut off one lie and two grow in its place.

If it’s popping up repetitively on the same forum there’s a technique you can use. Make an off-page list of “common rebuttal links” - in google docs for one example. Then when someone dumps the derp it’s a quick copy, paste, and “this was rebutted here on [date]. here’s the link.”

I don’t do it as often as i should, to my regret.

149 Lidane  Tue, May 7, 2013 2:29:34pm
150 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, May 7, 2013 2:30:13pm

re: #145 Decatur Deb

Is my straight marriage still valid there if I’m only transiting on I95?

No. Instead, you’re immediately married to the nearest same-sex individual also on the I95. And stay clear of the Consummation Enforcement Militia.

151 ReamWorks SKG  Tue, May 7, 2013 2:30:34pm

Ok! I’m back from my vacation in the Czech Republic and then on to Israel. What did I miss?

Image: 8690421456_71a2a78843_b.jpg

Image: 8685441310_ce884babc1_b.jpg

152 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, May 7, 2013 2:34:13pm

re: #151 ReamWorks SKG

Ok! I’m back from my vacation in the Czech Republic and then on to Israel. What did I miss?

Image: 8690421456_71a2a78843_b.jpg

Love the pic!
We had kittens here last week…this week it’s raining.
Everything else is just noise…

153 ReamWorks SKG  Tue, May 7, 2013 2:34:47pm

re: #152 Backwoods_Sleuth

Kittens!? I want to see pictures!

154 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, May 7, 2013 2:34:52pm

re: #149 Lidane

wasn’t that “breaking news” a few weeks ago?

155 Bubblehead II  Tue, May 7, 2013 2:36:12pm

re: #151 ReamWorks SKG

Ok! I’m back from my vacation in the Czech Republic and then on to Israel. What did I miss?

Image: 8690421456_71a2a78843_b.jpg

SSDD/W/M.

156 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, May 7, 2013 2:36:19pm

re: #151 ReamWorks SKG

Ok! I’m back from my vacation in the Czech Republic and then on to Israel. What did I miss?

Image: 8690421456_71a2a78843_b.jpg

Image: 8685441310_ce884babc1_b.jpg

So…much…envy….

157 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, May 7, 2013 2:36:47pm

re: #153 ReamWorks SKG

Kittens!? I want to see pictures!

me too! I’m waiting for their eyes to open and momma to let them out from under the pile of junk in the storage area.
Full disclosure: I have already bought kitten toys….lots of them…

ETA: They’ll probably just like all the boxes out there instead…sigh…

158 ReamWorks SKG  Tue, May 7, 2013 2:39:02pm

Do you know that in Israel there are stores that sell nothing but “halva”. Now _that’s_ an advanced civilization.

Image: 8703656891_936cc1bd07_b.jpg

159 Gus  Tue, May 7, 2013 2:40:55pm

re: #129 Kragar

Well, took the ride up to LA to spend the rest of the week with my mom. She is lying down while I cover the phone.

Have you visited the Socal Norton Club Facebook page?

160 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, May 7, 2013 2:41:22pm

re: #151 ReamWorks SKG

Image: 8685441310_ce884babc1_b.jpg

Ducks! Are those authentic Czech ducks???

161 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, May 7, 2013 2:43:02pm

re: #158 ReamWorks SKG

Do you know that in Israel there are stores that sell nothing but “halva”. Now _that’s_ an advanced civilization.

Image: 8703656891_936cc1bd07_b.jpg

halva…my teeth hurt with the memory of the goodness…

162 Charles Johnson  Tue, May 7, 2013 2:43:05pm

New feature - the J and K keys now step forward and back through articles or comments.

(If you’re typing in any kind of input field, like this comment box or the sign-in dialog, the J and K keys are handled normally.)

You may have to reload the page to get it working.

163 erik_t  Tue, May 7, 2013 2:44:48pm

re: #162 Charles Johnson

New feature - the J and K keys now step forward and back through articles or comments.

(If you’re typing in any kind of input field, like this comment box or the sign-in dialog, the J and K keys are handled normally.)

You may have to reload the page to get it working.

Hmmm. In many operating systems, in whatever picture gallery software is in use, right-arrow is synonymous with down-arrow, while left-arrow is synonymous with up-arrow.

I think people might find it more natural for K to step forward and J to step back…?

164 Vicious Babushka  Tue, May 7, 2013 2:45:01pm

DERP

165 Vicious Babushka  Tue, May 7, 2013 2:45:22pm

DERP

166 Vicious Babushka  Tue, May 7, 2013 2:45:43pm

DERP

167 Vicious Babushka  Tue, May 7, 2013 2:46:33pm

DERP

168 erik_t  Tue, May 7, 2013 2:46:41pm

re: #166 Vicious Babushka

DERP

Source: chains of command, how do they work?

169 Targetpractice  Tue, May 7, 2013 2:47:48pm

They’re desperately clinging to Benghazi at this point, because their only hope left after the black man got reelected by a wide margin is that they can impeach him.

170 Vicious Babushka  Tue, May 7, 2013 2:47:56pm

LOL

171 brennant  Tue, May 7, 2013 2:48:41pm

re: #170 Vicious Babushka

LOL

[golf clap] Well done.

172 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, May 7, 2013 2:49:00pm

re: #164 Vicious Babushka

DERP

yep, we all saw how that “firing” worked in 2012…

173 Bubblehead II  Tue, May 7, 2013 2:49:20pm

re: #166 Vicious Babushka

DERP

Ummm no shithead, there were many people who could and did order the stand down. With good reason I might point out.

Idiots.

174 Vicious Babushka  Tue, May 7, 2013 2:50:10pm

DERP

175 Vicious Babushka  Tue, May 7, 2013 2:50:29pm

DERP

176 Vicious Babushka  Tue, May 7, 2013 2:50:37pm

The fun never ends.

177 Targetpractice  Tue, May 7, 2013 2:51:18pm

“Cover-up” implies a crime. Get back to me when they can prove something other “President While Black.”

178 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, May 7, 2013 2:51:36pm

Boy, Obama really doesn’t get this Communist thing, does he?
Dow Over 15,000 for First Time

179 Bubblehead II  Tue, May 7, 2013 2:51:52pm

re: #176 Vicious Babushka

The fun idiocy never ends.

180 Charles Johnson  Tue, May 7, 2013 2:52:56pm

Somebody put me on a World Net Daily Birther mailing list. They’re sending out very professional-looking fundraising emails, but the subject matter is completely insane.

Now marked as spam.

181 jaunte  Tue, May 7, 2013 2:53:11pm

“The thing I’m most angry about in this country right now is liberals that have politicized this, our national security,” Hannity announced on May 18, 2004. The politicization of national security was “unimaginable” in the wake of the 9/11 attacks, Hannity complained.
mediamatters.org

182 Vicious Babushka  Tue, May 7, 2013 2:53:19pm

So much Derp, so little time.

183 AlexRogan  Tue, May 7, 2013 2:53:53pm

OMFG…

Victoria Jackson, she who is formerly of SNL and is now full of RWNJ derp, has decided to put down roots here in the metropolitan Nashville area, because her daughter is a student at Trevecca University (and where she recently spoke at). In the Tennessean article about her move here, they quoted an entry she made on her Facebook page, which just gives me the creeps:

“I disappeared for awhile because my family just moved to TN!! I love it so much! Smack dab in the buckle of the Bible belt. I’m gonna fight the Murfreesboro Mosque and Agenda 21 because I love this land, God’s country. One of my neighbors keeps his horse in his front yard! I love that! I saw a cardinal, a bunny, a bird’s nest and a calf in the middle of the highway. I’m in heaven!”

Image: double_facepalm.jpg

184 Targetpractice  Tue, May 7, 2013 2:55:00pm

re: #182 Vicious Babushka

So much Derp, so little time.

How do they handle him? Since laughter would be unseemly, rolling eyes is probably advisable. Perhaps even a few obscene hand gestures.

185 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, May 7, 2013 2:55:31pm

re: #183 AlexRogan

I saw a cardinal, a bunny, a bird’s nest and a calf in the middle of the highway. I’m in heaven!”

Victoria saw a Tennessee traffic jam?

186 Lidane  Tue, May 7, 2013 2:57:38pm

OUTRAGE!

187 Minor_L  Tue, May 7, 2013 2:57:48pm

re: #170 Vicious Babushka

Perfect.

188 simoom  Tue, May 7, 2013 3:00:29pm

From the Hicks Q&A excerpts the House GOP is passing around, a couple of things jump out at me. First, it’s the questioner that seems to repeatedly prompt Hicks to speculate on logistically impossible scenarios, like the jet overfly:

Q: But do you think, you know, if an F-15, if the military had allowed a jet to go fly over, that it might have prevented [the second attack]?

A: Yeah, and if we had gotten clearance from the Libyan military for an American plane to fly over Libyan airspace. …

Q : The theory being, the folks on the ground that are doing these — committing these terrorist attacks look up, see a heavy duty airplane above, and decide to hightail it?

A: I believe that if — I believe if we had been able to scramble a fighter or aircraft or two over Benghazi as quickly as possible after the attack commenced, I believe there would not have been a mortar attack on the annex in the morning because I believe the Libyans would have split. …

Q: I just wanted to ask, you mentioned permission from the Libyans. Why is that important? What did you mean by that?

A: Well, it’s their country. And for an American military aircraft to fly over their country, we have to have permission from them to do so.

Also, from Hick’s account, the first rescue team arrived in Benghazi within hours of the the attack, at ~1:15am. The second rescue team, on the C-130, left between 6 and 6:30am, about an hour after the final attack. According to Hicks that second team didn’t include the special ops guys, but obviously it was irrelevant both since the attacks were over before the plane even took off, and even if they had a time machine and reached Benghazi hours earlier, I’m not sure what a few more folks armed with pistols would have done during a mortar attack.

Q: So you had mentioned that the first team from Tripoli to Benghazi arrived at 1:15?

A: Right.

Q: And was there a second team that was organized? Could you tell us about the second team?

A: Right. The second team — the Defense Attache worked assiduously all night long to try to get the Libyan military to respond in some way. Early in the morning — sorry, after we were formally notified by the Prime Minister, who called me, that Chris had passed, the Libyan military agreed to fly their C-130 to Benghazi and carry additional personnel to Benghazi as reinforcements. Because we at that time — at that time, the third attack, the mortar attack at 5:15, had not yet occurred, if I remember correctly.

Q: So what time did the second rescue team ??

A: Well, again, they flew — I think that flight took off sometime between 6:00 and 6:30 a.m.

Q: Now, did any of the Special Forces folks, were they planning at any time to travel on that second aircraft?

A: On the second, on the C-130? Yes. We fully intended for those guys to go …

189 GeneJockey  Tue, May 7, 2013 3:00:50pm

I love how all of the ‘revelations’ that Hicks made, which ‘contradict the CIA’s timeline’ all turn out to be shit.

‘We could have scared them away with a fighter! True, we didn’t have any nearby, nor any way to get them there in a reasonable time, but it would have scared the shit out of them!

“And a Special Forces team were told not to catch a flight to Benghazi! True, there were only four of them, and they only had pistols, and we’d already sent in 7 guys, and 2 of them had been killed before the second plane ever took off, but still!”

Times like this call out for Gertrude Stein - “There is no ‘there’ there.”

190 jaunte  Tue, May 7, 2013 3:01:28pm

A Benghazi wishlist:

6 Ways Benghazi Proves Hillary Should Never Be President

“…Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton appears to be the front runner for the Democratic nomination to run for President in 2016, despite the fact that her actions surrounding the terror attack on the Benghazi Consulate prove she shouldn’t be allowed to run a non-profit, much less a whole administration.

The entire Obama Administration has handled the attack poorly, but Hillary should shoulder most of the blame, due to her position and involvement.”

Also, too, have you seen our potential candidates? None of them have a realistic chance of beating her unless we can come up with a scandal!

191 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, May 7, 2013 3:04:37pm

re: #7 GeneJockey

Wait - FOUR MAN TEAM? Armed with PISTOLS? What in hell were they supposed to do when they got there? I mean, I like a good action movie as much as the next guy, but seriously.

I was thinking the same thing. Dreaming by people who have watched too many youtube videos of people playing Call of Duty and popping off headshot after headshot with a standard pistol.

192 Targetpractice  Tue, May 7, 2013 3:08:48pm

re: #189 GeneJockey

I love how all of the ‘revelations’ that Hicks made, which ‘contradict the CIA’s timeline’ all turn out to be shit.

‘We could have scared them away with a fighter! True, we didn’t have any nearby, nor any way to get them there in a reasonable time, but it would have scared the shit out of them!

“And a Special Forces team were told not to catch a flight to Benghazi! True, there were only four of them, and they only had pistols, and we’d already sent in 7 guys, and 2 of them had been killed before the second plane ever took off, but still!”

Times like this call out for Gertrude Stein - “There is no ‘there’ there.”

Hicks reads to me like a guy with either an axe to grind or a desire to be in the spotlight, not sure which. One thing’s for sure, there’s no “bombshell” in the excerpts unless one is inclined to take his word at face value.

193 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, May 7, 2013 3:09:53pm

re: #192 Targetpractice

Hicks reads to me like a guy with either an axe to grind or a desire to be in the spotlight, not sure which. One thing’s for sure, there’s no “bombshell” in the excerpts unless one is inclined to take his word at face value.

Hicks reads to me like a guy with a self-inflated sense of importance in the larger scheme of things.

194 Targetpractice  Tue, May 7, 2013 3:13:51pm

Hell, the bit about flying a jet over the rioters is not some new “revelation.” The Benghazi “truthers” were floating that one months back, when rumor went around that there were fighter jets that might have reached Benghazi as the riot was ongoing. We had suggestions in the press that the drones sent would have been “enough,” that pointing a laser dot on a few of the militiamen/terrorists would have spooked them into running.

195 AlexRogan  Tue, May 7, 2013 3:15:35pm

re: #189 GeneJockey

I love how all of the ‘revelations’ that Hicks made, which ‘contradict the CIA’s timeline’ all turn out to be shit.

‘We could have scared them away with a fighter! True, we didn’t have any nearby, nor any way to get them there in a reasonable time, but it would have scared the shit out of them!

“And a Special Forces team were told not to catch a flight to Benghazi! True, there were only four of them, and they only had pistols, and we’d already sent in 7 guys, and 2 of them had been killed before the second plane ever took off, but still!”

Times like this call out for Gertrude Stein - “There is no ‘there’ there.”

To quote the great Elwood Blues from the song “Rubber Biscuit”, all the RWNJs have about Benghazi is a “wish sandwich”:

196 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Tue, May 7, 2013 3:16:16pm

re: #194 Targetpractice

Yeah, because one thing you can count on about insurgents in the Middle East is that they just hate fighting.

This is like “Johnny Arab will run once he tastes cold steel” all over again. Might as well just say they’d make excellent soldiers if they had white officers and be done with it.

197 EPR-radar  Tue, May 7, 2013 3:17:05pm

re: #194 Targetpractice

Hell, the bit about flying a jet over the rioters is not some new “revelation.” The Benghazi “truthers” were floating that one months back, when rumor went around that there were fighter jets that might have reached Benghazi as the riot was ongoing. We had suggestions in the press that the drones sent would have been “enough,” that pointing a laser dot on a few of the militiamen/terrorists would have spooked them into running.

The mighty 101st chairborne, leaping into action at the first sign of any event that can be twisted so as to cause political damage to “that (black) man” in the White House.

198 AlexRogan  Tue, May 7, 2013 3:20:02pm

re: #194 Targetpractice

Hell, the bit about flying a jet over the rioters is not some new “revelation.” The Benghazi “truthers” were floating that one months back, when rumor went around that there were fighter jets that might have reached Benghazi as the riot was ongoing. We had suggestions in the press that the drones sent would have been “enough,” that pointing a laser dot on a few of the militiamen/terrorists would have spooked them into running.

Which is BS, IMO, because don’t laser designators operate outside the visible spectrum? If so, there’d be no “laser dot” for anyone on the ground to see anyway.

199 Joanne  Tue, May 7, 2013 3:23:22pm

re: #51 Vicious Babushka

Sarah Farley @Ssmfarley777

O’Reilly Debate: Benghazi Cover-Up Would Be Impeachable Offense foxnewsinsider.com#IMPEACHOBAMA #RT #PJNET #TGDN #NRA #Military #P2
4:21 PM - 7 May 2013

Isn’t breathing while being Obama an impeachable offense?

200 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, May 7, 2013 3:24:47pm

It’s perhaps a testament to the Secret Service that Obama has served nearly 5 years as President without even coming close to harm.

201 AlexRogan  Tue, May 7, 2013 3:26:41pm

re: #191 Eclectic Cyborg

I was thinking the same thing. Dreaming by people who have watched too many youtube videos of people playing Call of Duty and popping off headshot after headshot with a standard pistol.

Those four Special Forces guys could have totally dominated the battlefield with their pistols…BOOM HEADSHOT!!!

///

202 EPR-radar  Tue, May 7, 2013 3:26:52pm

re: #199 Joanne

Isn’t breathing while being Obama an impeachable offense?

You need to add “and while being US president” to that to make it the kind of “Treason, Bribery, or other High Crimes and Misdemeanors” the founders had in mind.

203 Kragar  Tue, May 7, 2013 3:28:07pm

re: #198 AlexRogan

Which is BS, IMO, because don’t laser designators operate outside the visible spectrum? If so, there’d be no “laser dot” for anyone on the ground to see anyway.

That is correct. You need special optics to be able to see them.

204 Targetpractice  Tue, May 7, 2013 3:28:36pm

re: #198 AlexRogan

Which is BS, IMO, because don’t laser designators operate outside the visible spectrum? If so, there’d be no “laser dot” for anyone on the ground to see anyway.

Yep, target designators are outside the visible range, for the purpose of avoiding giving the enemy advance warning. After all, if the target saw a big red dot on his back, would he just stay in place until the missile arrived?

205 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, May 7, 2013 3:29:30pm

re: #198 AlexRogan

Which is BS, IMO, because don’t laser designators operate outside the visible spectrum? If so, there’d be no “laser dot” for anyone on the ground to see anyway.

kittehs canz see em…just sayin’
send in the kittehz!

206 Lidane  Tue, May 7, 2013 3:30:25pm

re: #191 Eclectic Cyborg

I was thinking the same thing. Dreaming by people who have watched too many youtube videos of people playing Call of Duty and popping off headshot after headshot with a standard pistol.

Remember: these are the same dipshits who think that parading around with a loaded AR-15 will somehow intimidate the US military.

207 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Tue, May 7, 2013 3:32:51pm

re: #204 Targetpractice

Yep, target designators are outside the visible range, for the purpose of avoiding giving the enemy advance warning. After all, if the target saw a big red dot on his back, would he just stay in place until the missile arrived?

I’ve noticed that a lot of wingnuts have a comprehension of military strategy which basically equates showing up with winning. That’s the nuttiness of the ‘They could have just gotten guys there!’ as though Special Forces guys are magicians.

Even if there had been the capability to get them there, four guys with handguns, no matter how well trained, are going to have to pull off miracles to not just die there. And four more special forces guys dead is not really a good outcome.

208 EPR-radar  Tue, May 7, 2013 3:33:23pm

re: #205 Backwoods_Sleuth

kittehs canz see em…just sayin’
send in the kittehz!

Hovercat VTOL vehicle XR-1. Pew! Pew! Pew!

209 Kragar  Tue, May 7, 2013 3:34:28pm

re: #206 Lidane

Remember: these are the same dipshits who think that parading around with a loaded AR-15 will somehow intimidate the US military.

“You need a 50 round drum to take out a drone, never mind that an AR-15 has a max effective range of around 800 meters, while a drone can operate at an altitude of several miles above the target.”

210 EPR-radar  Tue, May 7, 2013 3:35:21pm

re: #207 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts

They have tiny minds. The fact that it is necessary to show up to win somehow becomes ‘showing up is sufficient to win’.

211 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, May 7, 2013 3:35:45pm

re: #207 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts

I’ve noticed that a lot of wingnuts have a comprehension of military strategy which basically equates showing up with winning. That’s the nuttiness of the ‘They could have just gotten guys there!’ as though Special Forces guys are magicians.

Even if there had been the capability to get them there, four guys with handguns, no matter how well trained, are going to have to pull off miracles to not just die there. And four more special forces guys dead is not really a good outcome.

yep…they kinda forget all about Mogadishu.

212 Mike Lamb  Tue, May 7, 2013 3:36:26pm

Were these people has exorcised about the Tillman cover-up?

213 AlexRogan  Tue, May 7, 2013 3:36:29pm

re: #211 Backwoods_Sleuth

yep…they kinda forget all about Mogadishu.

Or Vietnam.

214 Kragar  Tue, May 7, 2013 3:38:15pm

re: #213 AlexRogan

Or Vietnam.

They remember it as “we would have won if we just bombed them for a few more weeks.”

215 EPR-radar  Tue, May 7, 2013 3:39:31pm

re: #211 Backwoods_Sleuth

yep…they kinda forget all about Mogadishu.

Not really. Above all else, they want a political disaster for Obama. A replay of ‘Black Hawk Down’ would suit the wingnuts just fine. (Yes, I am still ticked off at Romney for using the dead of Benghazi as political props before they were cold.)

Wingnuts (presently) have enough message discipline to refrain from openly hoping for more overseas US deaths.

216 goddamnedfrank  Tue, May 7, 2013 3:39:44pm

re: #207 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts

Even if there had been the capability to get them there, four guys with handguns, no matter how well trained, are going to have to pull off miracles to not just die there.

Perhaps if they held their pistols sideways?

217 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, May 7, 2013 3:40:12pm

re: #186 Lidane

Next stops: Minnesota and Illinois.

Then Colorado after we repeal Amendment 43. We are just as Liberal as the Northeast and Washington. Alot has changed in 7 years.

218 Kragar  Tue, May 7, 2013 3:40:15pm

Mike Huckabee may end radio show

The way Mike Huckabee’s handlers talked about it in 2012, “The Mike Huckabee Show” was going to give talk radio king Rush Limbaugh a run for his money. Instead, just over a year after the show’s launch, Huckabee is already considering calling it quits.

“Within the next month, I’ll decide if I want to continue it or not. I know we will, but it’s just such an incredibly intensive process that I really have to decide that I want to spend that kind of time,” he told Arkansas Business on Monday. “I’ve got to always weigh how much time I’m putting in it and what the return is. How long it will take to make it what I call hopefully disgustingly profitable. That’s what one always hopes for in a deal like this.”

219 EPR-radar  Tue, May 7, 2013 3:42:23pm

re: #216 goddamnedfrank

Perhaps if they held their pistols sideways?

Or went in with swords in both hands and wielding a third sword with their teeth. I read it in a book somewhere, so this must be a perfectly reasonable way to wage war.

220 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, May 7, 2013 3:44:58pm

re: #207 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts

I’ve noticed that a lot of wingnuts have a comprehension of military strategy which basically equates showing up with winning. That’s the nuttiness of the ‘They could have just gotten guys there!’ as though Special Forces guys are magicians.

Scratch that comprehension and I suspect you’re going to find some highly entertaining theories about race, national character, and fighting spirit.

And probably un-ironic use of the term “native cunning,” since apparently Wingnutistan is doing a remix of The British Empire’s Greatest Propaganda Hits.

221 A Mom Anon  Tue, May 7, 2013 3:45:13pm

re: #218 Kragar

Ratings not so hot there Mikey? Or is it just too much like work to sit on your ass for a couple hours a day and run your yap? I cannot STAND him, I never fell for that “aw shucks I’m just a humble servant of the Lord” bullshit he peddles. I always found him creepy.

222 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, May 7, 2013 3:46:45pm

re: #215 EPR-radar

Not really. Above all else, they want a political disaster for Obama. A replay of ‘Black Hawk Down’ would suit the wingnuts just fine. (Yes, I am still ticked off at Romney for using the dead of Benghazi as political props before they were cold.)

Wingnuts (presently) have enough message discipline to refrain from openly hoping for more overseas US deaths.

I truly believe that was their wet dream for Benghazi, but that didn’t happen. However, that doesn’t prevent them from coming up with all the derpy what-if scenarios, each of which more than likely would have resulted in another Mogadishu.
For them, it’s such a missed opportunity but not to be wasted after the fact.

223 AlexRogan  Tue, May 7, 2013 3:47:05pm

re: #221 A Mom Anon

Ratings not so hot there Mikey? Or is it just too much like work to sit on your ass for a couple hours a day and run your yap? I cannot STAND him, I never fell for that “aw shucks I’m just a humble servant of the Lord” bullshit he peddles. I always found him creepy.

He’ll be sliding into reverse-mortgage and gold/precious metals commercials before long, just like Fred Thompson (one of my former Senators) and William Devane.

Easier money than having to articulate and defend your positions, right, Huck?

224 EPR-radar  Tue, May 7, 2013 3:48:54pm

re: #222 Backwoods_Sleuth

I truly believe that was their wet dream for Benghazi, but that didn’t happen. However, that doesn’t prevent them from coming up with all the derpy what-if scenarios, each of which more than likely would have resulted in another Mogadishu.
For them, it’s such a missed opportunity but not to be wasted after the fact.

That’s my take on it as well. Wingnuts will dance on the corpses, but so far they are not openly wanting more deaths.

225 Bubblehead II  Tue, May 7, 2013 3:49:54pm

re: #218 Kragar

“How long it will take to make it what I call hopefully disgustingly profitable. That’s what one always hopes for in a deal like this.”

Busted huckster. By your own acts (words) you shall be known or something like that. He was in it for the money and nothing else.

226 Varek Raith  Tue, May 7, 2013 3:50:42pm
227 Targetpractice  Tue, May 7, 2013 3:50:56pm

re: #222 Backwoods_Sleuth

I truly believe that was their wet dream for Benghazi, but that didn’t happen. However, that doesn’t prevent them from coming up with all the derpy what-if scenarios, each of which more than likely would have resulted in another Mogadishu.
For them, it’s such a missed opportunity but not to be wasted after the fact.

They wanted so badly for it to be a new Mogadishu, the watershed moment where Romney could pop up and portray himself as the guy who’d “defend America.” It’s something that they feel has been denied to them ever since the Cold War ended, that ability to go to the voters and say “Yeah, he’s a rotten SOB who’d sell your balls to the Chinese if it got him 1% on the next Gallup poll. But he’ll protect you from the Reds, and that’s what matters!”

228 Kragar  Tue, May 7, 2013 3:51:06pm

re: #221 A Mom Anon

Ratings not so hot there Mikey? Or is it just too much like work to sit on your ass for a couple hours a day and run your yap? I cannot STAND him, I never fell for that “aw shucks I’m just a humble servant of the Lord” bullshit he peddles. I always found him creepy.

Huckabee is another Evangelical snakeoil salesman disguised as a politician.

And I’m noticing my kids’ laptop keyboard sucks.

229 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, May 7, 2013 3:53:14pm

re: #217 ProBosniaLiberal

After that, it should be Hawaii, Nevada, Oregon, New Jersey, and California.

Colorado is a prefect example of why Citizen Amendments should be constricted in scope or something.

We passed Amendment 49 just 7 years ago, and now there is a major effort to repeal it, which will likely succeed.

How many millions of dollars have been wasted now because of a bunch of Theocratic cornholes?

230 EPR-radar  Tue, May 7, 2013 3:53:34pm

re: #226 Varek Raith

Well yes, this is what I had in mind. ‘One Piece’ has as much relevance to war as most RW war fever.

231 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, May 7, 2013 3:53:42pm

re: #227 Targetpractice

They wanted so badly for it to be a new Mogadishu, the watershed moment where Romney could pop up and portray himself as the guy who’d “defend America.” It’s something that they feel has been denied to them ever since the Cold War ended, that ability to go to the voters and say “Yeah, he’s a rotten SOB who’d sell your balls to the Chinese if it got him 1% on the next Gallup poll. But he’ll protect you from the Reds, and that’s what matters!”

It’s almost like they wanted a repeat of what happened to Carter…

232 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, May 7, 2013 3:54:02pm

re: #226 Varek Raith

I was waiting for someone to do that.

233 Lidane  Tue, May 7, 2013 3:56:53pm
234 Targetpractice  Tue, May 7, 2013 3:57:05pm

re: #231 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s almost like they wanted a repeat of what happened to Carter…

That’s exactly what they wanted. You hear it in their latest spin of how the White House “covered-up” what happened for the sake of the election. It’s a serious case of sour grapes for them, so the idea that they were somehow denied an election victory because Obama “covered-up” what happened is one that takes easy root.

235 EPR-radar  Tue, May 7, 2013 3:57:13pm

re: #231 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s almost like they wanted a repeat of what happened to Carter…

The Republicans were golden on defense and foreign policy for 15-20 years after the twin blows of the hostage debacle under Carter (including the failed rescue) and the release of the hostages right when Reagan came into office.

Who in the GOP wouldn’t want a repeat of that scenario?

236 Kragar  Tue, May 7, 2013 3:58:54pm

re: #233 Lidane

Heard the girls say there was another girl who disappeared one night, and the girls had some babies which died. Cops are going to tear the place apart looking for remains.

237 Vicious Babushka  Tue, May 7, 2013 3:58:56pm

re: #199 Joanne

Isn’t breathing while being Obama an impeachable offense?

A wingnut once posted a list of “impeachable offenses” which included:

Taking vacations
Michelle
Flying in Air Force One
Michelle
SS protection for the girls
Michelle
Birth certificate!
Attended a fundraiser at Bill Ayers house
Using SS# of a 123 year old man!

238 Vicious Babushka  Tue, May 7, 2013 4:01:41pm

DERP

239 Vicious Babushka  Tue, May 7, 2013 4:02:17pm

DERP

240 Vicious Babushka  Tue, May 7, 2013 4:02:57pm

DERP

241 Vicious Babushka  Tue, May 7, 2013 4:03:44pm

It must suck so hard to be them

242 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, May 7, 2013 4:04:20pm

re: #236 Kragar

Heard the girls say there was another girl who disappeared one night, and the girls had some babies which died. Cops are going to tear the place apart looking for remains.

The story gets more disturbing as it comes out.

Missing women raped, beaten while pregnant

CLEVELAND — The women found safe last night on Seymour Avenue were forced to have sex with their captors, resulting in up to five pregnancies, several police sources tell Channel 3 News.

One of those sources tells the Investigator Tom Meyer that the captors would beat the pregnant girls. Both sources say the babies didn’t survive.

Calls to the Cleveland Police Department were not immediately returned.

The sources say it is unclear what happened following the pregnancies.

Police have arrested three men following the discovery of Amanda Berry, Gina DeJesus and Michele Knight on Monday evening.

Investigators are going through the home for clues, including the backyard where they found “disturbed” dirt. The sources did not know whether that was related to the pregnancies.

243 Baboon Cheeks  Tue, May 7, 2013 4:05:09pm

Exciting new development in social media announced today: Shitter (the shorter twitter).

4 character limit.

244 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, May 7, 2013 4:05:19pm

re: #239 Vicious Babushka

I think her son would be very, very disappointed in her. What, with Sean Smith being Vile Rat.

She is using her own son’s death as a reason to push for her own political ideals. That is lower than low. A true vile rat.

245 Vicious Babushka  Tue, May 7, 2013 4:05:34pm

*FACE PALM*

246 Varek Raith  Tue, May 7, 2013 4:06:23pm

re: #245 Vicious Babushka

*FACE PALM*

Ok. Sorry have to say it.
TGDN is full of retards.

247 Kragar  Tue, May 7, 2013 4:06:46pm

re: #242 NJDhockeyfan

The story gets more disturbing as it comes out.

Missing women raped, beaten while pregnant

I would not be surprised if when they dig up the place, a few more missing people cases get solved.

248 Vicious Babushka  Tue, May 7, 2013 4:07:19pm

Basically, this is all the wingnuts care about:

249 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, May 7, 2013 4:07:59pm

re: #239 Vicious Babushka

DERP

I blame that mother’s stylist…

250 EPR-radar  Tue, May 7, 2013 4:09:02pm

re: #237 Vicious Babushka

By now, I think it is clear that it would be impossible to have a D president and a strongly R Congress. If present-day republicans end up with a majority in the House and 2/3s in the Senate, then impeachment and conviction of a D president would be a certainty. The only open question would be the exact nature of the trumped up charges.

This debasement of impeachment appears to be a wingnut coping strategy to deal with the fact that Nixon resigned in disgrace before facing a bipartisan impeachment process. The fact that Nixon was a liberal by modern wingnut standards is secondary to defending a member of the tribe.

251 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, May 7, 2013 4:09:43pm

Also, would Congress please take up the Puerto Rico issue.

Blank votes are not counted in voter questions damn near anywhere. It was a blatant move by the often corrupt PDP.

You didn’t vote for a status? Too bad. Your voice won’t be heard. Just like in the US if you leave a question blank on a State Amendment question.

252 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, May 7, 2013 4:09:49pm

re: #247 Kragar

I would not be surprised if when they dig up the place, a few more missing people cases get solved.

I still can’t believe how gruesome this story is slowly becoming. If they find bodies I hope those guys get the needle.

253 Kragar  Tue, May 7, 2013 4:11:34pm

re: #250 EPR-radar

By now, I think it is clear that it would be impossible to have a D president and a strongly R Congress. If present-day republicans end up with a majority in the House and 2/3s in the Senate, then impeachment and conviction of a D president would be a certainty. The only open question would be the exact nature of the trumped up charges.

This debasement of impeachment appears to be a wingnut coping strategy to deal with the fact that Nixon resigned in disgrace before facing a bipartisan impeachment process. The fact that Nixon was a liberal by modern wingnut standard is secondary to defending a member of the tribe.

For 8 years, the GOP forced a steady stream of “lead, follow, or get out of the way” down the throat of everyone who opposed Bush and the policies they backed, and when they lose the White House, they switch to full obstructionist mode.

The GOP can fuck right off.

254 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, May 7, 2013 4:13:24pm

re: #248 Vicious Babushka

Basically, this is all the wingnuts care about:

wait…what? Rush said those babies were for getting welfare benefits!

255 Mike Lamb  Tue, May 7, 2013 4:13:39pm

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256 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Tue, May 7, 2013 4:15:11pm

re: #255 Mike Lamb

That’s a woman?

It’s a woman who lost her son to violence. Attacking her looks is juvenile bullshit. What she’s saying is derpy in the extreme but I blame all the loudmouths fostering this conspiracy a lot more than her. She’s being victimized by them too.

257 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, May 7, 2013 4:15:12pm

re: #251 ProBosniaLiberal

Also, would Congress please take up the Puerto Rico issue.

Blank votes are not counted in voter questions damn near anywhere. It was a blatant move by the often corrupt PDP.

You didn’t vote for a status? Too bad. Your voice won’t be heard. Just like in the US if you leave a question blank on a State Amendment question.

District of Columbia is in line for that first.

258 AlexRogan  Tue, May 7, 2013 4:16:34pm

re: #244 ProBosniaLiberal

I think her son would be very, very disappointed in her. What, with Sean Smith being Vile Rat.

She is using her own son’s death as a reason to push for her own political ideals. That is lower than low. A true vile rat.

I’m more than willing to give the benefit of the doubt for now; she lost her son as a result of a terrorist attack overseas and she wants a reason, somewhere she can assign blame in order to pursue closure.

But if she’s gonna go all Cindy Sheehan with this long-term, I feel that she’s disrespecting the memory of her son; he was a grown man who knew what the risks of a foreign service posting were.

259 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, May 7, 2013 4:16:47pm

re: #251 ProBosniaLiberal

As I see it, all that is needed is for both Houses of Congress, to pass a joint resolution, and send it to the Senate.

While the Senate overall is smart enough for this, the House seems so stunningly stupid under the Tea Partiers to find its own ass with map, a compass, a GPS, and picture.

Oh dear.

260 Bubblehead II  Tue, May 7, 2013 4:17:41pm

re: #255 Mike Lamb

Asshole. Troll much jerk.

261 Joanne  Tue, May 7, 2013 4:17:58pm

re: #221 A Mom Anon

Ratings not so hot there Mikey? Or is it just too much like work to sit on your ass for a couple hours a day and run your yap? I cannot STAND him, I never fell for that “aw shucks I’m just a humble servant of the Lord” bullshit he peddles. I always found him creepy.

Not to mention he lies like a cheap rug AND exhibits very Un-Christian like behaviors. Bah. No use for him. He’s a male Laura Ingraham with a god complex.

262 Varek Raith  Tue, May 7, 2013 4:18:10pm

re: #255 Mike Lamb

Man, I thought I was bad with dropping the r-word. :/

263 AlexRogan  Tue, May 7, 2013 4:19:20pm

re: #255 Mike Lamb

Been here 3-4 days and already acting like an asshole.

Bravo…

Edit: Sorry, they’ve been here for a month

264 Joanne  Tue, May 7, 2013 4:19:34pm

re: #224 EPR-radar

That’s my take on it as well. Wingnuts will dance on the corpses, but so far they are not openly wanting more deaths.

Outwardly. But you know they are.

265 EPR-radar  Tue, May 7, 2013 4:21:06pm

re: #259 ProBosniaLiberal

As I see it, all that is needed is for both Houses of Congress, to pass a joint resolution, and send it to the Senate.

While the Senate overall is smart enough for this, the House seems so stunningly stupid under the Tea Partiers to find its own ass with map, a compass, a GPS, and picture.

Oh dear.

This is a very simple issue. Intelligence, or lack thereof, has nothing to do with it. There is no way that adding voters from Puerto Rico would be a net win for the GOP. Therefore, nothing on this will ever get out of a GOP-controlled House.

IMO, the real question is why the Democrats aren’t pushing the issue to make this reality more obvious.

266 Bubblehead II  Tue, May 7, 2013 4:21:17pm

re: #263 AlexRogan

Been here 3-4 days and already acting like an asshole.

Bravo…

Trolls have to be Trolls. It’s what they are. They can’t help it.

267 Vicious Babushka  Tue, May 7, 2013 4:21:50pm

DERP!

268 Vicious Babushka  Tue, May 7, 2013 4:23:05pm

DERP

269 EPR-radar  Tue, May 7, 2013 4:23:53pm

re: #267 Vicious Babushka

They really do love the futile comparisons with Watergate. Must really chap their hides that a sitting president from ‘their team’ had to resign in disgrace.

270 Mike Lamb  Tue, May 7, 2013 4:24:03pm

re: #266 Bubblehead II

Trolls have to be Trolls. It’s what they are. They can’t help it.

One exercise of poor judgment ergo troll? I screwed up, but I’m hardly a troll.

271 Bubblehead II  Tue, May 7, 2013 4:24:36pm

re: #268 Vicious Babushka

DERP

Ummmmm…… No.

272 wrenchwench  Tue, May 7, 2013 4:25:00pm

re: #270 Mike Lamb

One exercise of poor judgment ergo troll? I screwed up, but I’m hardly a troll.

You can edit your post if you wish, for about 30 minutes.

273 Vicious Babushka  Tue, May 7, 2013 4:25:01pm
274 Vicious Babushka  Tue, May 7, 2013 4:26:21pm

DERP

275 Bubblehead II  Tue, May 7, 2013 4:27:01pm

re: #270 Mike Lamb

One exercise of poor judgment ergo troll? I screwed up, but I’m hardly a troll.

Time will tell. Misogynistic comments like that don’t do much to endear you to the Lizard Nation.

276 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, May 7, 2013 4:30:42pm

re: #257 Backwoods_Sleuth

That will require a much more complicated process, if I am not mistaken.

Relevant part of Constitution, District Clause of Section 8 of the Constitution.

[The Congress shall have Power] To exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of particular states, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the government of the United States.

Essentially, Congress will have to be stripped of its power over the tiny landmass, and would be left in charge only of the Federal Buildings.

Of course, my Dad is yelling that Puerto Rico doesn’t deserve it because San Juan has the highest crime rate compared to Mainland cities, and the highest drug use. I know both of these are false, but I simply don’t care about educating him. He’s a old school bigot, I have even heard him telling Pollack Jokes, and saying Italians shouldn’t be here. Screw him.

277 GeneJockey  Tue, May 7, 2013 4:32:16pm

re: #246 Varek Raith

Ok. Sorry have to say it.
TGDN is full of retards.

“My God! It’s full of stars morons!”

278 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, May 7, 2013 4:32:21pm

re: #265 EPR-radar

The Republican Platform advocates for Puerto Rican Statehood as well. Really, why aren’t the Democrats doing that? They can say the Republicans are flip-flopping.

279 Vicious Babushka  Tue, May 7, 2013 4:36:50pm

DERP

280 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, May 7, 2013 4:37:12pm

re: #276 ProBosniaLiberal

The Murder Rate in San Juan, for example, is 50 per 100,000.

This ranks it below New Orleans, and above Detroit, in second place.

Drug Use will be a little harder to track down.

281 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, May 7, 2013 4:39:03pm

Syria’s internet has been shut down, likely from orders by Assad. Word spreading around twitter says scuds are flying, planes are dropping bombs, and Syrian forces are storming areas massacring more civilians. This is just getting ugly.

282 Vicious Babushka  Tue, May 7, 2013 4:39:36pm

DERP

283 Vicious Babushka  Tue, May 7, 2013 4:43:06pm
284 Vicious Babushka  Tue, May 7, 2013 4:44:04pm

Yeah, because RETWEETING will totally make this happen.
DERP

285 Vicious Babushka  Tue, May 7, 2013 4:45:07pm

@mikandynothem is the same Twitter mental defective who doesn’t know how to use Google for pictures of Obama hugging soldiers.

286 Vicious Babushka  Tue, May 7, 2013 4:49:10pm
287 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, May 7, 2013 5:00:29pm

The thread’s dying. We need the shock paddles stat!!

288 Vicious Babushka  Tue, May 7, 2013 5:02:49pm

Derp killed the thread.

289 Joanne  Tue, May 7, 2013 5:03:50pm

re: #288 Vicious Babushka

Derp killed the thread.

More like dinner. :-)

290 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, May 7, 2013 5:04:23pm

re: #289 Joanne

More like dinner. :-)

supper!
;)

291 Joanne  Tue, May 7, 2013 5:06:31pm

re: #290 Backwoods_Sleuth

supper!
;)

LOL! That too! Also.

292 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, May 7, 2013 5:07:36pm

Wow. Colorado Springs has the 2nd highest rape rate in the state, only behind Grand Junction.

COS has 75.3 Rapes per 100,000 Individuals, while Grand Junction has a staggering 124.2 per 100k.

I think this might have some relevance regarding the Sexual Assault problem at the Academy. Move the Academy to Fort Collins (38.2 per 100k), stat!

293 PT Barnum  Tue, May 7, 2013 5:15:12pm

re: #288 Vicious Babushka

Derp killed the thread.

derpes is untreatable

294 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, May 7, 2013 5:15:35pm

re: #292 ProBosniaLiberal

Wow. Colorado Springs has the 2nd highest rape rate in the state, only behind Grand Junction.

COS has 75.3 Rapes per 100,000 Individuals, while Grand Junction has a staggering 124.2 per 100k.

I think this might have some relevance regarding the Sexual Assault problem at the Academy. Move the Academy to Fort Collins (38.2 per 100k), stat!

Maybe it’s better to address the problem instead of running away from it?
Hint: There are no safe places. Moving to a relatively safer place without addressing the problem only moves the problem.

295 Amory Blaine  Tue, May 7, 2013 5:17:54pm

FBI arrests Minnesota ‘militia type’ for plotting ‘localized terror attack’

The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) announced on Monday that it had arrested a Minnesota man for plotting a “localized terror attack.”

…Buford “Bucky” Rogers, 24, was arrested for unlawful possession of a firearm by a felon. An Associated Press report said that he had previously been convicted for felony burglary in 2011 and a misdemeanor charge of dangerous handling of a weapon in 2009.

“The FBI believes that a terror attack was disrupted by law enforcement personnel and that the lives of several local residents were potentially saved,” the FBI said in a statement.

A federal affidavit obtained by the AP indicated that Molotov cocktails, pipe bombs and a Romanian AKM assault rifle had been recovered from Buford’s residence at the mobile home park in Montevideo.

296 Stanghazi  Tue, May 7, 2013 5:21:35pm

Charles Ramsey is on Anderson Cooper.

He is not disappointing.

297 Cardio (formerly JRCMYP)  Tue, May 7, 2013 5:22:10pm

re: #242 NJDhockeyfan

The story gets more disturbing as it comes out.

Missing women raped, beaten while pregnant

But I though women’s bodies just SHUT THAT WHOLE THING DOWN if it were really rape.

//

298 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, May 7, 2013 5:24:19pm

re: #294 Backwoods_Sleuth

I think it is exacerbated by Colorado Springs being the heart of Radical Christianity in the US. These are the people who believe women are inferior to Men.

In addition, you will also be taking a great deal of economic power from these radicals by doing this.

299 wrenchwench  Tue, May 7, 2013 5:24:55pm
300 Mentis Fugit  Tue, May 7, 2013 5:25:57pm

re: #268 Vicious Babushka

DERP

DERPsperation.

They got nothin’ an’ they knows it.

301 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 7, 2013 5:26:26pm

You know it’s pretty sad that when three kidnap victims who some thought could be dead are rescued and the first response by some people is to think “How can I use this story to hate on the political left?” No joy for the young women rescued. No joy for their families and friends reuniting with their loved ones. Nope just hate for ideology. If the first thing you think about with a perp is “What is his political ideology and how can I use that to trash everyone who subscribes to said ideology” than frankly you’re a terrible person. Sorry guys. Just tired of Limbaugh, idiots on Twitter, etc using stories like this as an excuse for their hatred.

302 Targetpractice  Tue, May 7, 2013 5:29:46pm

re: #301 HappyWarrior

You know it’s pretty sad that when three kidnap victims who some thought could be dead are rescued and the first response by some people is to think “How can I use this story to hate on the political left?” No joy for the young women rescued. No joy for their families and friends reuniting with their loved ones. Nope just hate for ideology. If the first thing you think about with a perp is “What is his political ideology and how can I use that to trash everyone who subscribes to said ideology” than frankly you’re a terrible person. Sorry guys. Just tired of Limbaugh, idiots on Twitter, etc using stories like this as an excuse for their hatred.

Yeah, I had to stop earlier and ask myself how cynical I’ve become that every time a major news story like this breaks, the first thought that goes through my head is “How will the wingnuts spin this against Obama/Democrats?”

303 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 7, 2013 5:33:41pm

re: #302 Targetpractice

Yeah, I had to stop earlier and ask myself how cynical I’ve become that every time a major news story like this breaks, the first thought that goes through my head is “How will the wingnuts spin this against Obama/Democrats?”

It’s like the only thing that keeps them going is their hatred of Obama, Democrats, and the left. I admit it. I dislike the political right but I’d never want that to consume my every day existence. I can be to be able to read a book, work out, listen to music, and spend time with friends without thinking about ideology. Hatred’s a powerful narcotic I suppose.

304 blueraven  Tue, May 7, 2013 5:37:10pm

Damn it! AP calls SC-1 for Sanford

305 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 7, 2013 5:37:37pm

To expand on my above rant, people can’t even disagree anymore. It’s like your opponent has to be the most evil imaginable. No, one can’t even be an extremist, they have to be akin to the Nazis, Soviets, or give your pick of the litter of a truly evil regime. We’re always going to be a politically divided nation until people realize that disagreement doesn’t mean evil.

306 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 7, 2013 5:38:56pm

re: #304 blueraven

Damn it! AP calls SC-1 for Sanford

Rats. I was rooting hard for Stephen’s sister. Got to love those Republican family values. Sanford can dick around with state money on his mistress and all his forgiven with Republican voters but Bill Clinton has an affair and he’s a terrible person.

307 Charles Johnson  Tue, May 7, 2013 5:40:17pm

And now we have a brand new hot key to activate the “New Comments” button. Oddly enough, the key is N. For “New.” As in “New Comments.”

308 EPR-radar  Tue, May 7, 2013 5:41:00pm

re: #304 blueraven

Damn it! AP calls SC-1 for Sanford

Pity. This was always a long shot, since SC-1 has a strong R tilt. Tribal loyalty trumps everything else, as usual.

309 Charles Johnson  Tue, May 7, 2013 5:41:03pm

Yes, I’m playing around with the latest version of John Resig’s hotkey plugin for jQuery.

310 Targetpractice  Tue, May 7, 2013 5:43:04pm

re: #306 HappyWarrior

Rats. I was rooting hard for Stephen’s sister. Got to love those Republican family values. Sanford can dick around with state money on his mistress and all his forgiven with Republican voters but Bill Clinton has an affair and he’s a terrible person.

You can be a serial philanderer and not only be forgiven, but considered presidential timber. But only if you’re a Republican. By contrast, your clothed crotch being tweeted is grounds for being run out of office if you’re a Democrat.

311 EPR-radar  Tue, May 7, 2013 5:45:16pm

re: #305 HappyWarrior

To expand on my above rant, people can’t even disagree anymore. It’s like your opponent has to be the most evil imaginable. No, one can’t even be an extremist, they have to be akin to the Nazis, Soviets, or give your pick of the litter of a truly evil regime. We’re always going to be a politically divided nation until people realize that disagreement doesn’t mean evil.

It’s difficult to imagine how things can get back to a more sane version of normal political disagreements. The GOP base seems determined to become more and more radical, and there is also a (largely justified) hardening of positions in response to this by everyone to the left of Attila the Hun.

312 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 7, 2013 5:46:58pm

re: #311 EPR-radar

It’s difficult to imagine how things can get back to a more sane version of normal political disagreements. The GOP base seems determined to become more and more radical, and there is also a (largely justified) hardening of positions in response to this by everyone to the left of Attila the Hun.

Yeah their base is getting more and more radical. I’m not sure whose worse. The insane base which has a good chunk of it who would support an armed revolt or the politicians who pander to them.

313 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 7, 2013 5:48:21pm

re: #310 Targetpractice

You can be a serial philanderer and not only be forgiven, but considered presidential timber. But only if you’re a Republican. By contrast, your clothed crotch being tweeted is grounds for being run out of office if you’re a Democrat.

And honestly that wouldn’t even bother me if Republicans/conservatives weren’t such pompous assholes about values. After all, it’s Republican candidates who attend these “Value Voters Summits” where they do nothing but talk about how conservatives are the only moral people in this country and how allowing homosexuals to marry is somehow close to what keeping slavery was in the mid 19th century.

314 GeneJockey  Tue, May 7, 2013 5:48:44pm

re: #310 Targetpractice

You can be a serial philanderer and not only be forgiven, but considered presidential timber. But only if you’re a Republican. By contrast, your clothed crotch being tweeted is grounds for being run out of office if you’re a Democrat.

AND YET…

And yet, whenever there’s a sex scandal, wingnuts will pat themselves on the back and say, “If a Republican is caught in a sex scandal, he resigns, but if it’s a Democrat, he becomes a hero!”

Seriously, they really say that.

315 Gus  Tue, May 7, 2013 5:50:17pm

I’m assuming Sanford had already asked forgiveness from the Lord. Plus, his winning solidifies God’s acknowledgment of that forgiveness and his victory is proof that He has forgiven him.

316 Targetpractice  Tue, May 7, 2013 5:52:00pm

re: #314 GeneJockey

AND YET…

And yet, whenever there’s a sex scandal, wingnuts will pat themselves on the back and say, “If a Republican is caught in a sex scandal, he resigns, but if it’s a Democrat, he becomes a hero!”

Seriously, they really say that.

Yep, until you bring up examples like Larry Craig or David Vitter, when suddenly they clam up.

317 EPR-radar  Tue, May 7, 2013 5:53:20pm

re: #308 EPR-radar

Pity. This was always a long shot, since SC-1 has a strong R tilt. Tribal loyalty trumps everything else, as usual.

I looked it up in wikipedia:

en.wikipedia.org

SC-1 is an R+11 congressional district. Even a live boy or dead girl would not have been enough to prevent Sanford from winning.

318 blueraven  Tue, May 7, 2013 5:54:33pm

re: #316 Targetpractice

Yep, until you bring up examples like Larry Craig or David Vitter, when suddenly they clam up.

Well too bad, now the Republican House owns Sanford…they have to live with him. Enjoy!

319 GeneJockey  Tue, May 7, 2013 5:54:59pm

re: #311 EPR-radar

We really don’t even share the same reality anymore.

320 GeneJockey  Tue, May 7, 2013 5:56:38pm

re: #316 Targetpractice

Yep, until you bring up examples like Larry Craig or David Vitter, when suddenly they clam up.

Nope. They bring up Clinton - who left office a dozen years ago.

321 Buck  Tue, May 7, 2013 5:56:43pm

So if the unnamed source is right, then this will be easy. Someone during the testimony will ask Mr. Hicks that exact question.

Failing that, then this official (who spoke on condition of anonymity), will testify.

Until then, you have a report that has been submitted as the final word and I would guess didn’t interview Mr. Hicks or any of the other whistleblowers. We know it didn’t interview the Secretary of State.

I think it is safe to assume that Mr. Hicks knew, before he flushed his career down the tubes, what was in the report. He must have confidence that what he wants to add, is not already in the report.

I am surprised how fast everyone wants to take as fact what an “official” isn’t willing to talk about on the record. The “lack of weapons” is not going to be a secret, assuming it is true.

Now if what Mr. Hicks will testify about is already well known, but was not in the official report, then, in my opinion, there will be difficulty explaining it.

322 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 7, 2013 5:56:54pm

re: #314 GeneJockey

AND YET…

And yet, whenever there’s a sex scandal, wingnuts will pat themselves on the back and say, “If a Republican is caught in a sex scandal, he resigns, but if it’s a Democrat, he becomes a hero!”

Seriously, they really say that.

Yeah I’ve seen that crap. Shit’s annoying. It’s like admitting that conservative Republicans can be hypocrites is beyond them. OR they also do this, they try to act like said person was actually a liberal. That applies for any wrong doing not just adultery, Bush becomes bad because “he was actually a liberal.”

323 blueraven  Tue, May 7, 2013 5:57:02pm

re: #317 EPR-radar

I looked it up in wikipedia:

en.wikipedia.org

SC-1 is an R+11 congressional district. Even a live boy or dead girl would not have been enough to prevent Sanford from winning.

Not even close like two polls had it. Sanford by 10 points: 55% - 45% with a few precincts still out.

hosted.ap.org

324 EPR-radar  Tue, May 7, 2013 5:58:05pm

re: #312 HappyWarrior

Yeah their base is getting more and more radical. I’m not sure whose worse. The insane base which has a good chunk of it who would support an armed revolt or the politicians who pander to them.

Another contributor to the problem is people who vote GOP out of mindless tribal loyalty while supposedly disagreeing with most or all of the batshit insanity of the GOP base.

325 Charles Johnson  Tue, May 7, 2013 5:58:25pm

re: #321 Buck

Check out Buck, doing the Benghazi boogaloo.

326 GeneJockey  Tue, May 7, 2013 5:59:11pm

re: #322 HappyWarrior

“No True Scotsman” fallacy.

327 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 7, 2013 5:59:42pm

re: #324 EPR-radar

Another contributor to the problem is people who vote GOP out of mindless tribal loyalty while supposedly disagreeing with most or all of the batshit insanity of the GOP base.

How many times have we heard about people who claim they’re socially moderate to liberal but vote Republican anyhow because of taxes? Seriously, even if I was more of a libertarian on the economy, I couldn’t bear to vote Republican because the Republican social agenda is that bad.Shit, we have Ken Cuccinnelli here who thinks it would be a swell idea to bring back sodomy laws.

328 EPR-radar  Tue, May 7, 2013 6:00:17pm

re: #323 blueraven

Special elections are notoriously hard to poll accurately, since the turnout tends to be low and can easily not be representative of the usual electorate

329 blueraven  Tue, May 7, 2013 6:00:47pm

re: #321 Buck

So if the unnamed source is right, then this will be easy. Someone during the testimony will ask Mr. Hicks that exact question.

Failing that, then this official (who spoke on condition of anonymity), will testify.

Until then, you have a report that has been submitted as the final word and I would guess didn’t interview Mr. Hicks or any of the other whistleblowers. We know it didn’t interview the Secretary of State.

I think it is safe to assume that Mr. Hicks knew, before he flushed his career down the tubes, what was in the report. He must have confidence that what he wants to add, is not already in the report.

I am surprised how fast everyone wants to take as fact what an “official” isn’t willing to talk about on the record. The “lack of weapons” is not going to be a secret, assuming it is true.

Now if what Mr. Hicks will testify about is already well known, but was not in the official report, then, in my opinion, there will be difficulty explaining it.

I am surprised Fox news keep spouting opinion and speculation as fact every single day and people buy it, but there ya go.

330 bratwurst  Tue, May 7, 2013 6:02:27pm

re: #325 Charles Johnson

Check out Buck, doing the Benghazi boogaloo.

Is this the same guy who recently accused you of “being oppositional for the sake of being oppositional”?

Why yes. Yes it is.

331 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Tue, May 7, 2013 6:03:19pm

re: #321 Buck

I can’t even tell what you’re alleging. Benghazi coverup conspiracy stories are so fucking hard to follow.

332 AlexRogan  Tue, May 7, 2013 6:04:03pm

re: #317 EPR-radar

I looked it up in wikipedia:

en.wikipedia.org

SC-1 is an R+11 congressional district. Even a live boy or dead girl would not have been enough to prevent Sanford from winning.

Pretty much.

The SCGOP could have supported noted military man Gen. Eric Republican and Colbert still would have gotten 86’ed.

333 EPR-radar  Tue, May 7, 2013 6:04:35pm

re: #331 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts

I can’t even tell what you’re alleging. Benghazi coverup conspiracy stories are so fucking hard to follow.

QFT. Bafflegab —> Impeach Obama, I suppose, but all of the logical links appear to be MIA.

334 GeneJockey  Tue, May 7, 2013 6:08:51pm

re: #333 EPR-radar

It’s like the Underpants Gnomes:

1. Radical Islamists attack US Consulate

2. ?

3. Impeachment!

335 EPR-radar  Tue, May 7, 2013 6:16:03pm

re: #334 GeneJockey

It’s like the Underpants Gnomes:

1. Radical Islamists attack US Consulate

2. ?

3. Impeachment!

GOP budget proposals tend to match this pattern as well:

1) Cut taxes

2) ???

3) Balanced budgets!

336 Buck  Tue, May 7, 2013 6:17:57pm

re: #331 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts

I can’t even tell what you’re alleging. Benghazi coverup conspiracy stories are so fucking hard to follow.

You again with your fuck this and fuck that.

I am not alleging anything.

Some people have come forward with testimony that is not part of the report. Now, perhaps they are all liars and when they lie to congress will end up in jail.

Perhaps some other testimony will explain away their concerns.

Perhaps the (ARB) Report will be found to be seriously lacking the details it was supposed to have.

We will just have to wait and see.

337 Varek Raith  Tue, May 7, 2013 6:48:56pm

re: #336 Buck

Like all RWers, you’ll abandon this conspiracy and pretend it never happened when it’s shown you all were full of shit.
Happens every time.

338 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Tue, May 7, 2013 7:07:47pm

re: #336 Buck

You again with your fuck this and fuck that.

I am not alleging anything.

Some people have come forward with testimony that is not part of the report. Now, perhaps they are all liars and when they lie to congress will end up in jail.

What is the testimony that’s not part of the report? And what do you mean by ‘testimony’, are they swearing to stuff under oath?

Perhaps some other testimony will explain away their concerns.

Perhaps the (ARB) Report will be found to be seriously lacking the details it was supposed to have.

We will just have to wait and see.

I really, honestly, have not kept track of the conspiracy theory, so can you just make it clear what the hell it is you think is somehow problematic here?

Why is it so hard to do that?

339 Romantic Heretic  Tue, May 7, 2013 7:30:37pm

re: #305 HappyWarrior

To expand on my above rant, people can’t even disagree anymore. It’s like your opponent has to be the most evil imaginable. No, one can’t even be an extremist, they have to be akin to the Nazis, Soviets, or give your pick of the litter of a truly evil regime. We’re always going to be a politically divided nation until people realize that disagreement doesn’t mean evil.

Many people need monsters to real and those on the right these days believe themselves surrounded by monsters.

It’s not surprising they’ve lost the ability to deal with people they disagree with rationally. It’s impossible to deal with monsters rationally.

340 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 7, 2013 7:38:29pm

re: #339 Romantic Heretic

Many people need monsters to real and those on the right these days believe themselves surrounded by monsters.

It’s not surprising they’ve lost the ability to deal with people they disagree with rationally. It’s impossible to deal with monsters rationally.

Ah good point.

341 chadu  Tue, May 7, 2013 8:20:49pm

re: #129 Kragar

Well, took the ride up to LA to spend the rest of the week with my mom. She is lying down while I cover the phone.

Be well, mang, as best you can.

342 chadu  Tue, May 7, 2013 8:23:16pm

re: #142 Backwoods_Sleuth

pouring down rain on the metal roof out there, but I did hear a teeny tiny cry. I bought some tasty canned catfood as a change of pace from dry food for momma cat…she’s in heaven right now.

Make sure she has enough water (and wet food) to make milk for the kittens.

Hidden kittehs, FTW! ;)

343 chadu  Tue, May 7, 2013 8:25:52pm

re: #158 ReamWorks SKG

Do you know that in Israel there are stores that sell nothing but “halva”. Now _that’s_ an advanced civilization.

Image: 8703656891_936cc1bd07_b.jpg

Oy veh, says the goy. Too sweet for me.

344 chadu  Tue, May 7, 2013 8:32:08pm

re: #182 Vicious Babushka

He’s a peckerwood with delusions of grandeur.

And he was a State employee, not Military/Special Forces, so for for him to be speaking of their capabilities at the moment of hand just proves him to be a douche.

He’s looking for a payday.

Give me the signals that he says he’s sent, and I’ll accept him being an idiot. If he didn’t send those signals, he’s a self-aggrandizing liar. And he may have tripped into a crime doing so…

345 chadu  Tue, May 7, 2013 8:35:01pm

re: #194 Targetpractice

Hell, the bit about flying a jet over the rioters is not some new “revelation.” The Benghazi “truthers” were floating that one months back, when rumor went around that there were fighter jets that might have reached Benghazi as the riot was ongoing. We had suggestions in the press that the drones sent would have been “enough,” that pointing a laser dot on a few of the militiamen/terrorists would have spooked them into running.

Sweet Jebus, from what I’ve heard, they’d have barely noticed a laser dot.

346 chadu  Tue, May 7, 2013 8:37:23pm

re: #213 AlexRogan

Or Vietnam.

Or the War of 1812.

347 chadu  Tue, May 7, 2013 8:38:33pm

re: #218 Kragar

TRANSLATION: Huck’s lost more sponsors than Rush.

348 chadu  Tue, May 7, 2013 8:43:57pm

re: #315 Gus

I’m assuming Sanford had already asked forgiveness from the Lord. Plus, his winning solidifies God’s acknowledgment of that forgiveness and his victory is proof that He has forgiven him.

Maybe the Lord has offered forgiveness, but I ruddy well ain’t.

Sanford’s a douchebag.

Any wins he gets proves that the people behind him are blind to his douchebaggery or support it.

349 chadu  Tue, May 7, 2013 8:46:00pm

re: #321 Buck

Oh, Buck. Refusing to downding, because… what’s the point?

350 chadu  Tue, May 7, 2013 8:57:20pm

re: #336 Buck

Some people have come forward with testimony that is not part of the report. Now, perhaps they are all liars and when they lie to congress will end up in jail.

One can only hope. One would hope whistleblowers of strong resolve would come forward quicker than 6 months, but hey, while I judge, it’s not in most folks’ taste.

Perhaps the (ARB) Report will be found to be seriously lacking the details it was supposed to have. We will just have to wait and see.

I fail to see what the cover-up is.

What I see is:
* Violent demonstrations among dozens of cities at the same rough time, based on an anti-Islam video; this one turned out to be a terrorist attack.
* Lack of DoS security, denied by Congress cutting that funding.
* Unstable environment, despite the Ambassador being welcomed by the people.
* Tripoli assets decreased by 2/3rds (6 out of 10) of a logistics mission, not a combat/response mission, and two of them dead from mortar fire.
* No way to get military assets that had a damn to do anything in Benghazi until 18 to 36 hrs, well after it was all over, based on actual numbers and equipment capabilities.

The fault for Benghazi, if there is any, is because of Congress.

351 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, May 8, 2013 12:18:26am

My traveling is over and I;ve finally had a chance to catch up on the whole Cleveland kidnapping/Charles Ramsey thing.

I like this guy. He reminds me of people I know in Louisville, KY. Decent, honest and straight-speaking, but I can also tell he’s a little overwhelmed at all the attention he’s gotten.

Also, I’m very glad to know these three girls are back home, but from what I’ve read so far, there may be some more unpleasantness to be found there.

352 Buck  Wed, May 8, 2013 11:37:22am

re: #338 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts

What is the testimony that’s not part of the report? And what do you mean by ‘testimony’, are they swearing to stuff under oath?

It is against the law to lie to Congress. There is testimony as to what happened during the September 11th 2012 attack in Libya where an American Ambassador was killed.

If this testimony contradicts previous testimony or the ARM report then someone is lying to congress.

I really, honestly, have not kept track of the conspiracy theory, so can you just make it clear what the hell it is you think is somehow problematic here?

You are trying to make me say something. I honestly do not know exactly what, BUT I have been perfectly clear about what would be ‘problematic’.

We seem to be centering on Mr. Hicks. However there are people backing up his story.

Gregory Hicks.. 2 masters degrees, 22 years of experience and service to the USA. Stationed or served as security for US diplomats in Libya, Afghanistan and Bahrain. Speaks fluent Arabic.

A bit more than just a fine civil servant.

As I said, I am surprised there is a rush to use an unnamed source as the method to discredit him.

Why is it so hard to understand that?

353 Charles Johnson  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:11:14pm

re: #352 Buck

BENGHAZI!

354 Buck  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:42:51pm

re: #353 Charles Johnson

BENGHAZI!

I am really not just shouting one word inappropriately.

I am in fact making a point, on subject, in an appropriate thread.

I don’t know what you expect.

355 Charles Johnson  Wed, May 8, 2013 6:04:16pm

Benghazi, I say. Benghazi.

356 Varek Raith  Wed, May 8, 2013 6:41:07pm

re: #354 Buck

You are spouting rightwing conspiratorial bull shit.


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