Live Video: The House of Representatives Does the Benghazi Boogaloo

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[Live event concluded.]

UPDATE at 5/8/13 12:54:28 pm

Review of today’s Manufactured Outrage Theater: a dismal dud. Bombshells noticeably absent. Less interesting than the trailer. If I were a wingnut I’d be feeling pretty disappointed.

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1 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, May 8, 2013 10:41:39am

I’ve decided to save my sanity and wait for the highlight reel…

2 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 8, 2013 10:43:21am

Teh DERP continues

3 Bulworth  Wed, May 8, 2013 10:44:24am

re: #2 Vicious Babushka

So the hearings must really not be going well for wingnut land if this is what they resort to….

4 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 8, 2013 10:44:35am

Teh Twitterz can haz lame dichotomy 4 everything!

5 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 8, 2013 10:45:02am

Look at that asshat’s avatar. *FACE PALM*

6 iossarian  Wed, May 8, 2013 10:46:16am

re: #5 Vicious Babushka

Look at that asshat’s avatar. *FACE PALM*

That was my first thought. “I’m no racist! Look, I have a black avatar!”

7 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 8, 2013 10:47:20am
8 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 8, 2013 10:48:07am
9 jaunte  Wed, May 8, 2013 10:49:15am
10 lawhawk  Wed, May 8, 2013 10:49:51am

re: #2 Vicious Babushka

Not one dime for Benghazi security…. the fault of which can be attributed to… the failure of Congress to appropriate the funds.

The GOP refused to fund the security. In fact, they had members tout their refusal to fund State Dept security.

The President can’t make appropriations. It’s not his job - or constitutional power/mandate. That’s Congress (and Civics 101 to boot).

11 dragonath  Wed, May 8, 2013 10:51:21am

re: #10 lawhawk

I think Chaffetz is one of those guys who received a 100% rating from the John Birch Society.

12 Bulworth  Wed, May 8, 2013 10:51:44am

Via Sullivan:

During the debate before the vote, Sen. Karen Peterson (D-Stanton) came out as gay, making her the first openly LGBT state lawmaker in Delaware. “If my happiness somehow demeans or diminishes your marriage, you need to work on your marriage,” she said during floor remarks.

Persecution!

13 Bulworth  Wed, May 8, 2013 10:53:05am

re: #9 jaunte

But what exactly could everyone have done better?

14 blueraven  Wed, May 8, 2013 10:54:16am

re: #13 Bulworth

But what exactly could everyone have done better?

The requests for more security never reached the top…Clinton. They should have.

15 wrenchwench  Wed, May 8, 2013 10:54:33am

re: #5 Vicious Babushka

Look at that asshat’s avatar. *FACE PALM*

I looked at his profile, and on the side saw this:

Who to follow
* Refresh * View all
Anacin Anacin ‏ Verified account @Anacin Promoted * Follow

Timely.

16 jaunte  Wed, May 8, 2013 10:55:18am

re: #13 Bulworth

Precognition is the answer.

17 Bulworth  Wed, May 8, 2013 10:57:59am

re: #14 blueraven

Point taken..but I doubt every embassy/consular building or staff members can be fully protected all of the time.

18 dragonath  Wed, May 8, 2013 10:59:00am

A couple of hours old, but, whoa.

Co-Author Of Heritage Immigration Study Wanted To Bar Immigrants Based On IQ

One of the co-authors of the Heritage Study claming immigration reform would add $6.3 trillion to the deficit, Jason Richwine, advocated barring immigrants from entering the United States based on their IQ in 2009.

19 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, May 8, 2013 11:00:10am

re: #18 dragonath

A couple of hours old, but, whoa.

Co-Author Of Heritage Immigration Study Wanted To Bar Immigrants Based On IQ

Remember, this sort of thinking is no longer fringe…

20 Bulworth  Wed, May 8, 2013 11:00:13am

re: #18 dragonath

Heritage: Wow, awesome. Who is this guy? Let’s sign him up quick!

21 iossarian  Wed, May 8, 2013 11:00:17am

re: #14 blueraven

The requests for more security never reached the top…Clinton. They should have.

I’m sorry, but that’s not evidence that things necessarily went wrong - there’s quite possibly a system in place for dealing with such requests, and at some point someone makes a decision. Unless there is evidence that this decision *should* have been signed off by Clinton?

To me, this is very like the whole “OMG sequestration cuts mean things actually stop happening” debacle. A lot of right-wingers seem genuinely ignorant of how large organizations actually work, and also of the fact that public institutions are not particularly inefficient to begin with.

22 OLDHEAD  Wed, May 8, 2013 11:01:16am

It’s all Obamas fault. Shameless sociopaths.

23 blueraven  Wed, May 8, 2013 11:01:44am

re: #17 Bulworth

Point taken..but I doubt every embassy/consular building or staff members can be fully protected all of the time.

The ARB states there were a multitude of issues involving low level state department personnel before the attack, but no cover up and no dereliction of duty during or after. They made recommendations to improve and Clinton swore to implement them all…with proper funding.

24 celticdragon  Wed, May 8, 2013 11:02:51am

re: #19 Sol Berdinowitz

Remember, this sort of thinking is no longer fringe…

Next up:

Intelligence tests for voting! Keeps the uppity negros and Meskins in their place, you know!

25 jaunte  Wed, May 8, 2013 11:03:08am

re: #22 BLUE POINT 09

O’BRIEN: Is it true that you voted to cut the funding for embassy security?

CHAFFETZ: Absolutely. Look, we have to make priorities and choices in this country. We have — think about this — 15,000 contractors in Iraq. We have more than 6,000 contractors, private army there for President Obama in Baghdad.

And we’re talking about can we get two dozen or so people into Libya to help protect our forces? When you’re in tough economic times, you have to make difficult choices how to prioritize this.

What a complete bleeding asshole.

26 Bulworth  Wed, May 8, 2013 11:03:11am

re: #22 BLUE POINT 09

Hey, you just can’t throw money at a problem!

27 iossarian  Wed, May 8, 2013 11:04:13am

re: #25 jaunte

What a complete bleeding asshole.

Jeez. Of course, our presence in Iraq is just a crazy foreign adventure that Obama launched us into with no regard for cost or planning.

These fuckers.

28 Bulworth  Wed, May 8, 2013 11:05:07am
And we’re talking about can we get two dozen or so people into Libya to help protect our forces?

And if two dozen or so people had been added to the staff and had the attack still occured with people dying as a result, what then?

29 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 8, 2013 11:05:10am

re: #18 dragonath

A couple of hours old, but, whoa.

Co-Author Of Heritage Immigration Study Wanted To Bar Immigrants Based On IQ

His name is all over vdare and occidentaldissent.

31 erik_t  Wed, May 8, 2013 11:05:35am

Is this being simulcast on Comedy Central, or is it on the Horror Channel?

32 iossarian  Wed, May 8, 2013 11:06:03am

re: #28 Bulworth

And if two dozen or so people had been added to the staff and had the attack still occured with people dying as a result, what then?

benghazi benghazi benghazi benghazi benghazi benghazi benghazi benghazi benghazi benghazi benghazi benghazi benghazi benghazi benghazi benghazi benghazi benghazi benghazi benghazi benghazi benghazi benghazi benghazi benghazi benghazi benghazi benghazi benghazi benghazi benghazi benghazi

33 iossarian  Wed, May 8, 2013 11:06:30am

You have to laugh.

34 jaunte  Wed, May 8, 2013 11:08:06am

And if Benghazi had been a feint?

The John Bolton Acknowledgment That Should End The Benghazi Scandal Mongering

“When the attack began, no one could know when it would end. No one could know what the geographical limitation was. Was it simply an attack in Benghazi? Could terrorists be poised to attack the embassy in Tripoli? Were other posts around the Middle East in jeopardy? So the notion that you’re just going to sit and wait for this to work itself out left a lot of other people at risk.”

…But it’s precisely the fact that it was unclear that the embassy in Tripoli was safe that informed the decision over whether to send a second reinforcement team away from the embassy. NBC News reported that Department of Defense officials confirmed that a second unit was denied authorization to leave Tripoli for Benghazi during the night of the attack, in part because the security situation in Libya remained unclear:

35 klys  Wed, May 8, 2013 11:09:12am

re: #18 dragonath

A couple of hours old, but, whoa.

Co-Author Of Heritage Immigration Study Wanted To Bar Immigrants Based On IQ

Apparently this was his Ph.D. thesis. At Harvard. In Public Policy.

I’m going to go be sick. Well, hopefully not really since I did enough of that last night. But.

36 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 8, 2013 11:09:54am

DERP

37 Bulworth  Wed, May 8, 2013 11:10:09am

re: #34 jaunte

Facts, details, blah, blah, blah. ///

38 lawhawk  Wed, May 8, 2013 11:10:22am

The DoD could and should have done a better job. That’s clear from their decision to set up a rapid response force in Spain.

It seems that despite multiple attacks over the past couple of decades against FSOs and diplomatic facilities, some of which resulted in the deaths of hundreds of people, the focus on security has been more on hardening the facilities themselves, rather than tactics to deal with potential attacks themselves.

We’ve seen embassies and consulates turned into armored fortresses (creating an architectural style that is brutalist in tenor and far more removed from central city locations as an attempt to improve security postures). The problem is that in many parts of the world, that’s not possible - and the funds simply aren’t there.

That means that staff has to make due with what’s available - and staff has to work around the appropriated amounts. The Benghazi situation was complicated by the fact that State was shifting security obligations far too quickly so that no one was able to gain a good picture of the situation and stick around long enough to implement. Congressional failures to fully fund State’s security initiatives again contributed.

This isn’t just a matter of throwing money at the problem. Diplomatic security is a balancing act. You want to maintain an open dialogue and encourage people to interact with diplomatic staff - not just sit behind fortified walls. But you have to give security the tools and means to respond when something goes terribly wrong.

Attempting to judge higher-ups based on what someone on the ground saw/did doesn’t actually add anything of value to the discussion. It allows those who see the attacks as a political opportunity to grandstand in Congressional hearings rather than understand what needs to be done to fix the problem.*

If that means getting the DoD and State to work closer together to develop a rapid response team that can be called upon to act within a short timeframe - within 4-6 hours of the initial report of problems - with a range of force responses, with a follow-on force to secure the situation within a reasonable time thereafter.

The problem of course is that what I may think of as reasonable is someone else’s idea of completely unreasonable - as in even a 4-6 hour response is unreasonable when we can have a UAV overhead in X minutes (ignoring that there are actions that only someone with the training, tactics, and capabilities on the ground can do and it takes logistics to make that happen).

*see my follow up comment

39 blueraven  Wed, May 8, 2013 11:10:32am

re: #34 jaunte

And if Benghazi had been a feint?

…But it’s precisely the fact that it was unclear that the embassy in Tripoli was safe that informed the decision over whether to send a second reinforcement team away from the embassy. NBC News reported that Department of Defense officials confirmed that a second unit was denied authorization to leave Tripoli for Benghazi during the night of the attack, in part because the security situation in Libya remained unclear:

Tripoli was under orders to evacuate and were working to do so.

40 Bulworth  Wed, May 8, 2013 11:10:33am

re: #36 Vicious Babushka

Just like in the movies.

41 erik_t  Wed, May 8, 2013 11:12:15am

re: #38 lawhawk

The DoD could and should have done a better job. That’s clear from their decision to set up a rapid response force in Spain.

It’s clear that DoD sees value in setting up this rapid-reaction force. Given the delay involved with counter-action, and the speed with which an attack might progress, I’m not entirely convinced that the value DoD sees isn’t entirely political.

42 GeneJockey  Wed, May 8, 2013 11:12:16am

re: #34 jaunte

Yeah. When Bush was President and shit happened, the response was always, “Nobody could have predicted…”, even though often, somebody had.

With Obama, they expect clairvoyance about everything, even about events that literally nobody predicted.

43 jaunte  Wed, May 8, 2013 11:12:29am

re: #37 Bulworth

What we need are stronger defenses!
— André Maginot

44 Bulworth  Wed, May 8, 2013 11:12:55am
Attempting to judge higher-ups based on what someone on the ground saw/did doesn’t actually add anything of value to the discussion. It allows those who see the attacks as a political opportunity to grandstand in Congressional hearings rather than understand what needs to be done to fix the problem.

This.

45 wrenchwench  Wed, May 8, 2013 11:14:21am

re: #18 dragonath

A couple of hours old, but, whoa.

Co-Author Of Heritage Immigration Study Wanted To Bar Immigrants Based On IQ

Paged.

46 iossarian  Wed, May 8, 2013 11:14:56am

re: #41 erik_t

It’s clear that DoD sees value in setting up this rapid-reaction force. Given the delay involved with counter-action, and the speed with which an attack might progress, I’m not entirely convinced that the value DoD sees isn’t entirely political.

Dear foreign policy wonks, I have a modest suggestion which may reduce the number of terrorist attacks on our positions in foreign countries:

Stop acting like total assholes towards the rest of the world.

Please send my consultancy fee to the usual address.

47 darthstar  Wed, May 8, 2013 11:15:03am

re: #42 GeneJockey

Nobody could have predicted they would hold a black Democratic President to a higher standard.

Actually, lots of us did.

Then again, President Obama does manage to rise to the challenge more often than not.

48 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, May 8, 2013 11:16:27am

re: #47 darthstar

Nobody could have predicted they would hold a black Democratic President to a higher standard.

Actually, lots of us did.

Then again, President Obama does manage to rise to the challenge more often than not.

Worst President ever because he hasn’t outperformed all forty-plus of his predecessors in all categories!
//// :p

49 GeneJockey  Wed, May 8, 2013 11:17:48am

re: #47 darthstar

Nobody could have predicted they would hold a black Democratic President to a higher standard.

Actually, lots of us did.

Then again, President Obama does manage to rise to the challenge more often than not.

I believe there is literally nothing that Obama could do that would not be seen as radical muslim socialism by those people. And that’s literally literally, not Joe Biden literally.

50 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, May 8, 2013 11:17:48am

re: #48 Feline Fearless Leader

Worst President ever because he hasn’t outperformed all forty-plus of his predecessors in all categories!
//// :p

and he ruined the economy by allowing the Dow to top 15,000!!!
//

51 GeneJockey  Wed, May 8, 2013 11:19:23am

re: #47 darthstar

I actually remember fondly a time when, with Obama elected, some predicted that we’d reached Peak Wingnut, and that it would die down.

“But these go to 11.”

52 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, May 8, 2013 11:19:55am

re: #50 Backwoods_Sleuth

and he ruined the economy by allowing the Dow to top 15,000!!!
//

Only allowed if the corporations corrupted themselves by promoting homosexual marriage and Sharia Law!
//

53 Lidane  Wed, May 8, 2013 11:20:24am

re: #18 dragonath

A couple of hours old, but, whoa.

Co-Author Of Heritage Immigration Study Wanted To Bar Immigrants Based On IQ

Rebranding!

54 GeneJockey  Wed, May 8, 2013 11:22:08am

re: #52 Feline Fearless Leader

Only allowed if the corporations corrupted themselves by promoting homosexual marriage and Sharia Law!
//

For all its rigidity of thinking, the wingnut mind must have great flexibility in some places, to be able to accept the concept of marriage equality leading to the adoption of laws that include death to homosexuals.

55 Bulworth  Wed, May 8, 2013 11:22:32am

re: #53 Lidane

Say hello to the next Hispanic Outreach Director of the GONRA Party

56 lawhawk  Wed, May 8, 2013 11:24:21am

* followup comment to above about utility of hearing from subordinates and on-the-ground people in judging those above.

This goes to the micro versus macro view on events as they develop.

Someone on the ground isn’t necessarily in a position to know what is going on outside and above their level of responsibility. They might know something is going on in Benghazi - their area of responsibility, but not know that something else is developing elsewhere in the region/world that prevents a quick response.

Forces aren’t available simply at the touch of a button. It takes time to mobilize the proper forces to respond. You can’t just send troops into a situation without knowing what they might be walking into.

The subordinate may critique someone above them for not responding with sufficient urgency, or failed to return calls or provide information/updates in a timely fashion. That has value.

Using someone who didn’t understand the security posture or that there were concerns that the Benghazi attack could be a prelude to an attack on the main embassy in Tripoli - affecting a far greater number of personnel - would affect the calculus of whether to send security personnel from Tripoli to Benghazi.

The GOPers running this show don’t care about such things. They’re hoping to get their talking points in order to carry on into the 2014 elections and beyond.

57 GeneJockey  Wed, May 8, 2013 11:25:00am

re: #53 Lidane

Rebranding!

But now our vile racist, sexist, homophobic, luddite shit is in a pretty container!

58 MPH  Wed, May 8, 2013 11:26:39am

After Ambassador Rice contradicted the Libyan PM: “It took us an additional 18 days to get the FBI team into Benghazi.”

Nothing to see here….

59 wrenchwench  Wed, May 8, 2013 11:27:27am

re: #57 GeneJockey

But now our vile racist, sexist, homophobic, luddite shit is in a pretty container!

With a PhD sticker on top!

60 jaunte  Wed, May 8, 2013 11:28:00am

re: #57 GeneJockey

Not so pretty, really.

61 GeneJockey  Wed, May 8, 2013 11:28:05am

re: #56 lawhawk

IIRC, weren’t there protests at other embassies in the Muslim world that day, even beyond the storming of the Cairo embassy? Isn’t that why Romney tied the two events together and talked about the ‘Administration sympathizing with the attackers’?

62 jaunte  Wed, May 8, 2013 11:28:55am

re: #60 jaunte

63 Bulworth  Wed, May 8, 2013 11:30:34am

re: #60 jaunte

Rebranding and Rebranded!

64 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 8, 2013 11:30:38am

re: #61 GeneJockey

IIRC, weren’t there protests at other embassies in the Muslim world that day, even beyond the storming of the Cairo embassy? Isn’t that why Romney tied the two events together and talked about the ‘Administration sympathizing with the attackers’?

Jim Hoft retweeted:

65 jaunte  Wed, May 8, 2013 11:31:24am

02/14/2011

Secretary Clinton: House Republican budget cuts will endanger national security

“…Noting that the funding resolution proposed by House Republicans last week would cut State and USAID funding by 16 percent compared to FY 2010 levels, Clinton said she told Boehner that she was “very clear” about her “deep concerns” about the cuts and what they would mean for the work being done by both departments, particularly regarding the U.S. mission in Iraq and Afghanistan.
…
Clinton also said that it was “somewhat frustrating” that funding for the work done by State and USAID is not classified as “security” spending despite the national security implications of that work. She added that Boehner acknowledged that Defense Department officials are among the “strongest supporters” of the State Department and USAID.”

66 Bulworth  Wed, May 8, 2013 11:32:26am

re: #64 Vicious Babushka

I seem to recall in the early days of the BENGHAZI, wingnuts complaining that embassy staff were traitors for issuing statements referencing the anti-Muslim video.

67 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 8, 2013 11:35:14am

MOAR WTF DICHOTOMY

68 Bulworth  Wed, May 8, 2013 11:35:28am

re: #64 Vicious Babushka

Ah, I see we’re back to the “PBO took two long two say it waz terrerizm and TALKING POINTS”

/

69 darthstar  Wed, May 8, 2013 11:35:30am

“You’ll break scrum” and “But that’s not Agile” are two of my favorite lines to hear in a meeting. Agile is the Radical Islam/Evangelical Christianity of the Software world.

70 dragonath  Wed, May 8, 2013 11:35:42am

If JohN MCCAIN WAS PRESIDENT, SARAH PALIN COULD HAVE SAVED EVERYTHING WITH A WINK AND a SMILE. LETHAL FREEDOM-TIPPED STARbURTS BOUNCING AROUND ALLAMERICAN DENALI.

71 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, May 8, 2013 11:37:03am

heh…

72 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 8, 2013 11:37:04am

re: #69 darthstar

“You’ll break scrum” and “But that’s not Agile” are two of my favorite lines to hear in a meeting. Agile is the Radical Islam/Evangelical Christianity of the Software world.

Agile is a project management tool, NOT A FREAKING CULT.

73 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 8, 2013 11:37:21am

DERP

74 darthstar  Wed, May 8, 2013 11:39:48am

re: #72 Vicious Babushka

Agile is a project management tool, NOT A FREAKING CULT.

No. Agile is a religion.

75 jaunte  Wed, May 8, 2013 11:39:57am

re: #73 Vicious Babushka

Still a parole violator.

76 Bulworth  Wed, May 8, 2013 11:40:05am

False
#Benghazi
narrative unravels

More good news for Mitt Romney.

77 Charles Johnson  Wed, May 8, 2013 11:40:16am

I’m certain the right wing blogs are going to find something to scream about - it’s what they do. But there’s no bombshell here. There’s not even anything new.

78 Bulworth  Wed, May 8, 2013 11:40:41am

re: #75 jaunte

Political Oppression Persecution!!

79 Bulworth  Wed, May 8, 2013 11:41:15am

re: #77 Charles Johnson

Becuz COVERUP!11!!11111!!!

80 GeneJockey  Wed, May 8, 2013 11:42:13am

re: #75 jaunte

Yeah, but apparently making the worst propaganda film ever badly made excuses that.

81 dragonath  Wed, May 8, 2013 11:42:16am

re: #76 Bulworth

More good news for Mitt Romney.

Abort, Retry, Fail?

82 Bulworth  Wed, May 8, 2013 11:42:17am

re: #73 Vicious Babushka

If Michelle has resorted to talking about the anti-Muslim video guy it must mean the hearing have hit a patch of FAIL.

83 Bulworth  Wed, May 8, 2013 11:43:58am

re: #77 Charles Johnson

Gotta read between/under the lines of the testimony and secret signs Rep Cummings is sending to the Mexicans, man. //

84 GeneJockey  Wed, May 8, 2013 11:44:24am

re: #82 Bulworth

If Michelle has resorted to talking about the anti-Muslim video guy it must mean the hearing have hit a patch of FAIL.

LOOK! A PUPPY BENGHAZI!!!11!

85 erik_t  Wed, May 8, 2013 11:44:41am

re: #81 dragonath

Abort, Retry, Fail?

No public funding for Abort!!!!1

86 darthstar  Wed, May 8, 2013 11:44:43am

re: #75 jaunte

Still a parole violator.

When parole violations are outlawed, only outlaws will violate parole!

87 jaunte  Wed, May 8, 2013 11:45:20am

Chaffetz asks the all-important permission question.

88 Charles Johnson  Wed, May 8, 2013 11:46:14am

Now Chaffetz is pretending a “military overflight” would have solved everything. He’s yelling.

89 jaunte  Wed, May 8, 2013 11:46:18am

DID YOU ASK PERMISSION IN ADVANCE!?!?

91 erik_t  Wed, May 8, 2013 11:46:42am

re: #88 Charles Johnson

Now Chaffetz is pretending a “military overflight” would have solved everything. He’s yelling.

Negative, Ghost Rider, the pattern is full.

92 jaunte  Wed, May 8, 2013 11:47:40am

*Chaffetz shakes head dramatically*

93 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 8, 2013 11:47:47am

Teh Twitterz is retweeting that RETWEET TO IMPEECH!!11!! over and over.
Dumbasses.

94 Bulworth  Wed, May 8, 2013 11:47:48am

re: #88 Charles Johnson

Warning: the FAIL in mirror may be closer than you think.

95 Bulworth  Wed, May 8, 2013 11:48:58am

re: #88 Charles Johnson

Please procede, GOP…

96 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 8, 2013 11:49:04am

re: #88 Charles Johnson

Now Chaffetz is pretending a “military overflight” would have solved everything. He’s yelling.

Didn’t Chaffetz go on Fox & Friends and admit “We got no facts, we got jack shit, we got our dicks in our hands”

97 leftynyc  Wed, May 8, 2013 11:49:06am

There’s a verdict in the Jodi Arias trial. Verdict at 4:30 Eastern

98 Bulworth  Wed, May 8, 2013 11:50:05am

re: #97 leftynyc

Keep the sharp knives away from Nancy Grace….

99 jaunte  Wed, May 8, 2013 11:50:27am

We’re down to ‘demonstrating resolve’ despite a negative outcome.

100 Lidane  Wed, May 8, 2013 11:52:07am
101 Mike Lamb  Wed, May 8, 2013 11:52:25am

re: #97 leftynyc

There’s a verdict in the Jodi Arias trial. Verdict at 4:30 Eastern

Awesome. I’ve got a hearing across the street at the same time. I’m sure it will be easy to get in and out.

102 jaunte  Wed, May 8, 2013 11:58:09am

The case of the missing context.

103 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 8, 2013 12:00:45pm

DERP

104 Charles Johnson  Wed, May 8, 2013 12:00:52pm

And now, the Hillary Clinton “WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE” video clip, that must be shown or the right wing will feel cheated.

I was wondering when they’d get around to the real target of this ridiculous mess.

105 blueraven  Wed, May 8, 2013 12:01:08pm

The President of Libya was embarrassed because of US statements about the video? That’s why it took so long to get the FBI in? Please.

106 lawhawk  Wed, May 8, 2013 12:01:44pm

re: #91 erik_t

Someone’s been reading too much of the Debt of Honor (the B1 overflights of the Indian Navy rattling windows without firing a shot).

107 Charles Johnson  Wed, May 8, 2013 12:02:07pm

re: #105 blueraven

The President of Libya was embarrassed because of statements about the video? That’s why it took so long to get the FBI in? Please.

That seems to be the big right wing talking point emerging today from their fever swamp.

108 jaunte  Wed, May 8, 2013 12:02:37pm

Maybe they should be asking Roger Ailes why the government of a majority Muslim country isn’t excited about cooperating with an FBI investigation.

109 Bulworth  Wed, May 8, 2013 12:04:36pm

re: #107 Charles Johnson

ZZZZZZZSNORE. FAIL.

110 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 8, 2013 12:06:15pm

re: #104 Charles Johnson

And now, the Hillary Clinton “WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE” video clip, that must be shown or the right wing will feel cheated.

I was wondering when they’d get around to the real target of this ridiculous mess.

WHAT DIFFERENS DUZ IT MAEK!!11!!

is not a wingnut one-size-fits-all meme for EVERYTHING.

111 GeneJockey  Wed, May 8, 2013 12:06:18pm

re: #107 Charles Johnson

So, on the one hand, we should have sent nonexistent fighter jets to overfly Banghazi to terrify the Libyan populace, and parachuted nonexistent, but nonetheless heavily armed SF guys into the center of a Libyan city, but on the other, we shouldn’t have insulted the Libyan President by not immediately accepting his take on the event without our own information?

112 jaunte  Wed, May 8, 2013 12:07:26pm

Prosecutor Meehan zeroing in on Hillary.

113 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, May 8, 2013 12:07:43pm

re: #111 GeneJockey

So, on the one hand, we should have sent nonexistent fighter jets to overfly Banghazi to terrify the Libyan populace, and parachuted nonexistent, but nonetheless heavily armed SF guys into the center of a Libyan city, but on we shouldn’t have insulted the Libyan President by not immediately accepting his take on the event without our own information?

I’m waiting for some rep to ask why the Mobile Infantry wasn’t dropped in from orbit to chase them off. It worked so well to intimidate the Skinnies.
//

114 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 8, 2013 12:07:49pm

re: #111 GeneJockey

So, on the one hand, we should have sent nonexistent fighter jets to overfly Banghazi to terrify the Libyan populace, and parachuted nonexistent, but nonetheless heavily armed SF guys into the center of a Libyan city, but on we shouldn’t have insulted the Libyan President by not immediately accepting his take on the event without our own information?

Oh yeah, and crashed the multi-million dollar unarmed drone into the crowd.

115 Bulworth  Wed, May 8, 2013 12:08:39pm

re: #111 GeneJockey

Yup, makes perfect sense. Who’s got all the glue?

/

116 Dr. Matt  Wed, May 8, 2013 12:09:14pm

Where is Hatch to claim this is a dog-and-pony show?

117 Bulworth  Wed, May 8, 2013 12:09:39pm

re: #111 GeneJockey

Iron Man was all prepared to jet in when PBO gave him the order to STANDDOWN

118 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 8, 2013 12:09:48pm

WHICH IS IT, WINGNUTS?


119 GeneJockey  Wed, May 8, 2013 12:10:24pm

re: #113 Feline Fearless Leader

I’m waiting for some rep to ask why the Mobile Infantry wasn’t dropped in from orbit to chase them off. It worked so well to intimidate the Skinnies.
//

Dust off and nuke the site from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure.

120 iossarian  Wed, May 8, 2013 12:10:25pm

re: #118 Vicious Babushka

WHICH IS IT, WINGNUTS?

Obamintonghazi

121 jaunte  Wed, May 8, 2013 12:11:57pm

re: #118 Vicious Babushka

Only a Republican administration will let us go back to ignoring what happens in the rest of the world.

122 blueraven  Wed, May 8, 2013 12:13:13pm

Now, when will Issa schedule a second hearing and invite Pickering, Admiral Mullins and the General Dempsey, the current Joint chief of Staff?

Soon, I am sure. //

123 justaminute  Wed, May 8, 2013 12:20:19pm

Isn’t this the same Republican party that rejected what a General said what the Iraq war would cost and the amount of troops needed for Iraq?

Just as they ignore the embassy/consulate deaths under Bush.

Why don’t they extrapolate the needs and costs from these attacks under Bush to what we have now? Isn’t there a ‘lessons learned’ in government? Supposedly the branches of the military have it.

124 FemNaziBitch  Wed, May 8, 2013 12:20:31pm

Illinois Unions Are So Greedy and Drunk On Power They’re Even Crushing Democrats Now

Never a dull moment in Illinois Politics.

How is it by you?

125 jaunte  Wed, May 8, 2013 12:22:08pm

Scott Desjarlais’ public relations opportunity.

Rep. Scott DesJarlais, a member of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, will be among the 40 members participating in Wednesday’s event, titled Benghazi: Exposing Failure and Recognizing Courage. Rep. Jim Cooper, who represents Tennessee’s 5th Congressional District, is also a member of the committee.

Wednesday’s hearing comes seven months after the group held its first hearing on the Sept. 11, 2012, attack. Questions are likely to center on what prevented military intervention from occurring as attacks unfolded on the compound and why administration officials quickly categorized the assault as a spontaneous response to an anti-Islamic YouTube video.

In an interview with Nooga.com, DesJarlais said he would seek to shed light on two questions—whether American lives had been scarified (sic) for political purposes and whether the military had been told to withhold or stand down because of similar reasons. The congressman suggested the administration had acted with the re-election of Obama being held in higher regard than the situation’s immediate needs.
nooga.com

The above is a paid advertisement on Nooga.com

126 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 8, 2013 12:22:18pm

Wingnuts are now complaining that “mainstream media” isn’t giving BENGHAZI!!!11!! their undivided attention. Like they were complaining before about GOSNELL!!!111!!!

127 Dr. Matt  Wed, May 8, 2013 12:23:27pm
128 Charles Johnson  Wed, May 8, 2013 12:26:23pm

Wow. Right wing blogs are Benghazi-ranting like crack-addicted ferrets today. It’s amazing how much crap they’re churning out. Check out Jim Hoft.

129 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 8, 2013 12:26:44pm

Just when you thought wingnuts could not sink any lower in their demented rage:

130 FemNaziBitch  Wed, May 8, 2013 12:28:08pm

re: #129 Vicious Babushka

Just when you thought wingnuts could not sink any lower in their demented rage:

That’s really lame.

131 iossarian  Wed, May 8, 2013 12:29:47pm

re: #124 FemNaziBitch

Illinois Unions Are So Greedy and Drunk On Power They’re Even Crushing Democrats Now

Never a dull moment in Illinois Politics.

How is it by you?

I don’t think that teachers unions opposing Emanuel’s re-election is all that surprising or objectionable.

The article itself is, to be honest, a bit sloppy. There is no such thing as an “average median salary”, at least not in the sense the author thinks there is. And comparing teaching salaries, which typically require at least an undergraduate degree, to an unspecified “private” median (?) salary is also designed to mislead.

I will also point out that Emanuel sent (sends?) his kids to a unionized school which does not use performance evaluation as part of the teacher review process.

Finally, the article references “Scott Walker’s reforms” as another thing that unions are opposed to. ‘Nuff said.

132 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, May 8, 2013 12:30:20pm

as to the level of derpitude…

133 Charles Johnson  Wed, May 8, 2013 12:30:43pm

The first comment at the Ustream page where this video comes from:

~~ to protect our Republic we need to arrest Barry Soetero Crown Agent for fraud & treason. Both intend surrender of our National Sovereignty to a Global Government Romney’s thugs committed criminal acts against Ron Paul’s representatives. Both want Indefinite detention through appt. DHS agents, blatantly Un-Constitutional Model State Emergency health powers Act & Obamacare unconstitutional know your Sheriff, they can Nullify Unconstitutional Acts in their County.

This is what a bottle of castile soap would look like if Dr. Bronner was a wingnut.

134 darthstar  Wed, May 8, 2013 12:30:57pm

re: #127 Dr. Matt

It should be noted these were not simultaneous events…but boy did he ever have a handle on youthful indiscretion.

135 jaunte  Wed, May 8, 2013 12:31:00pm

Blake Farenthold’s last election in Texas’ 27th district:

Republican Blake Farenthold 50,954 47.85 %
Democratic Solomon Ortiz 50,155 47.10%

136 iossarian  Wed, May 8, 2013 12:32:15pm

The bio of that Illinois teachers union article states:

John believes in free market principles, private sector solutions, transparency, constitutionally limited government and being a good steward of taxpayer dollars. Sitting on the Board of Directors for both the center-right Chicago Young Republicans and libertarian America’s Future Foundation-Chicago, he is also a member of the free market think tank Illinois Policy Institute’s Leadership Coalition team along with other leaders of the Illinois business, political and media communities.

johngiokaris.policymic.com

137 erik_t  Wed, May 8, 2013 12:33:25pm

re: #133 Charles Johnson

The first comment at the Ustream page where this video comes from:

This is what a bottle of castile soap would look like if Dr. Bronner was a wingnut.

Time Cube Paul Cube.

138 FemNaziBitch  Wed, May 8, 2013 12:33:29pm

re: #131 iossarian

I don’t think that teachers unions opposing Emanuel’s re-election is all that surprising or objectionable.

The article itself is, to be honest, a bit sloppy. There is no such thing as an “average median salary”, at least not in the sense the author thinks there is. And comparing teaching salaries, which typically require at least an undergraduate degree, to an unspecified “private” median (?) salary is also designed to mislead.

I will also point out that Emanuel sent (sends?) his kids to a unionized school which does not use performance evaluation as part of the teacher review process.

Finally, the article references “Scott Walker’s reforms” as another thing that unions are opposed to. ‘Nuff said.

I know! I thought it was a bit off from policymic’s usual articles. Then I thought, well maybe it’s me who is off (it’s been known to happen) I like to put things out there to see what Lizards think—as I always get an honest response.

One thing is true, the state is in bad financial straights. Yet, I don’t see Emmanuel losing his mayoral seat anytime soon.

139 Bulworth  Wed, May 8, 2013 12:34:28pm
Wednesday’s event, titled Benghazi: Exposing Failure and Recognizing Courage

Totally not politicizing.//

140 Lidane  Wed, May 8, 2013 12:35:10pm
141 Bulworth  Wed, May 8, 2013 12:35:30pm
~~ to protect our Republic we need to arrest Barry Soetero Crown Agent for fraud & treason.

OK, I’ll get right on it. Gotta feed the catz first.

/

142 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, May 8, 2013 12:36:27pm

the day’s news in one tweet:

143 iossarian  Wed, May 8, 2013 12:37:20pm

re: #138 FemNaziBitch

I know! I thought it was a bit off from policymic’s usual articles. Then I thought, well maybe it’s we who is off (it’s been known to happen) I like to put things out there to see what Lizards think—as I always get an honest response.

One thing is true, the state is in bad financial straights. Yet, I don’t see Emmanuel losing his mayoral seat anytime soon.

It’s true that the CPS is pretty much screwed budget-wise, ditto the state. I don’t know enough about it to know where to assign blame. On the other hand, I do know that CPS schools are not exactly rolling in cash - they have pretty large class sizes and those kinds of graduation rates aren’t the hallmark of a well-funded system.

144 iossarian  Wed, May 8, 2013 12:38:16pm

Now I get to head out to a baseball game. Ah, summer (or something close to it, anyway).

Laters all.

145 Bubblehead II  Wed, May 8, 2013 12:39:50pm

10 minute recess from the derpitude.

146 FemNaziBitch  Wed, May 8, 2013 12:40:34pm

re: #143 iossarian

It’s true that the CPS is pretty much screwed budget-wise, ditto the state. I don’t know enough about it to know where to assign blame. On the other hand, I do know that CPS schools are not exactly rolling in cash - they have pretty large class sizes and those kinds of graduation rates aren’t the hallmark of a well-funded system.

I don’t think it’s too much of a reach to say there is some *ahem* waste. I don’t know specifics either. It’s just a “feeling” I have :)

147 darthstar  Wed, May 8, 2013 12:41:03pm

Ya think?

148 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, May 8, 2013 12:41:15pm
149 Bulworth  Wed, May 8, 2013 12:41:49pm

CNN’s doing the Benghazi boogaloo, too:

The Benghazi attack is front and center on Capitol Hill today, with current State Department employees contradicting the administration on key points

Ah, yes, “key points”. Terrorism, not terrorism. Fly overs. Earth shaking stuff.

150 Lidane  Wed, May 8, 2013 12:42:47pm
151 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, May 8, 2013 12:44:42pm

re: #136 iossarian

The bio of that Illinois teachers union article states:

johngiokaris.policymic.com

Greed and hunger for power are rights reserved for Job Creators, not union bosses!!!

152 FemNaziBitch  Wed, May 8, 2013 12:46:36pm

humour break

153 Bubblehead II  Wed, May 8, 2013 12:53:23pm

And we’re off. Looks like this derpfest is going to last about another hour until they adjourn for a vote

154 Lidane  Wed, May 8, 2013 12:54:17pm

re: #153 Bubblehead II

And we’re off. Looks like this derpfest is going to last about another hour until they adjourn for a vote

Heh. If they don’t vote to immediately impeach and remove Obama, the derpfest will continue until 2016.

155 Bulworth  Wed, May 8, 2013 12:58:24pm

re: #153 Bubblehead II

What are they voting on?

156 Political Atheist  Wed, May 8, 2013 12:58:53pm

Who knew?

The new study found U.S. firearm homicides peaked in 1993 at 7.0 deaths per 100,000 people. But by 2010, the rate was 49% lower, and firearm-related violence — assaults, robberies, sex crimes — was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993, the study found.

littlegreenfootballs.com

157 Bubblehead II  Wed, May 8, 2013 12:59:45pm

re: #154 Lidane

Heh. If they don’t vote to immediately impeach and remove Obama, the derpfest will continue until 2016.

Then they would bitch and moan about that blowing up in their face.

158 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Wed, May 8, 2013 12:59:58pm

re: #129 Vicious Babushka

Just when you thought wingnuts could not sink any lower in their demented rage:

I’ve given up thinking that, and accepted the fact that the wingnuts can always sink lower. The only question left is “how fast?”

159 Bubblehead II  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:01:03pm

re: #155 Bulworth

What are they voting on?

Unknown The chairman just said that there was a vote at 1700 EST when they reconvened.

160 Sionainn  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:01:54pm

re: #159 Bubblehead II

Unknown The chairman just said that there was a vote at 1700 EST when they reconvened.

Weird. What could they possibly be voting on?

161 darthstar  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:03:11pm

re: #160 Sionainn

Weird. What could they possibly be voting on?

The 2013 Armed Fetus Tax Relief and Obamacare Repeal Act.

162 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:03:40pm

re: #160 Sionainn

Weird. What could they possibly be voting on?

…how many more hearings to have. oh, and what to order for dessert…

163 Charles Johnson  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:05:58pm
164 darthstar  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:06:11pm
165 Amory Blaine  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:08:23pm

Who knew it was corrupt to take a job with a benefits package. I’m growing to really fucking hate this country.

166 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:09:07pm

re: #154 Lidane

Heh. If they don’t vote to immediately impeach and remove Obama, the derpfest will continue until 2016.

So, let me get this straight. Obama is to blame for excessive government waste due to all the time GOP Congress critters are spending holding trivial hearings and votes in an attempt to attack him politically in any way possible. So the best possible way for Obama to save taxpayer funds is to resign so that they stop doing it?

O_o

167 jaunte  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:11:22pm

Another representative focused on issues of critical importance.

Representative Massie (R-KY) has signed on to co-sponsor the Veterans’ Firearms Heritage Act (H.R. 420).

“This bill protects veterans from unfair prosecution because they keep lawfully procured war relic firearms acquired during World War II and the Korean War, and reflects our gratitude for their years of service, as well as my respect for their rights against undeserved punishment,” said Rep. Massie. “Veterans and their families deserve these relic firearms as well-earned and lawfully acquired tokens of military service.”
thomasmassie.com

168 FemNaziBitch  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:12:43pm

re: #163 Charles Johnson

I don’t either.

169 Lawrence Schmerel  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:12:54pm

What are you talking about? This is hot!

Youtube Video
170 Bubblehead II  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:14:47pm

re: #160 Sionainn

Weird. What could they possibly be voting on?

Just checked the House web site. The schedule only goes up to 1500 hrs.

171 Amory Blaine  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:15:44pm

Strapping young bucks with their t-bones!!!!

Kaufert’s FoodShare reform bill advances

A bill requiring healthy foods to be purchased with “food stamps” has cleared a legislative committee. The amended bill from state Representative Dean Kaufert of Neenah would require FoodShare program participants to spend at least 67 percent of their benefits on items designated by the federal WIC nutrition program. The bill cleared the Assembly State Affairs Committee on a partisan vote, where one Democrat charged that it’s little more than “press release politics.” The action clears the way for a possible vote by the full Assembly.

….

Kaufert said their have been “abuses” of the FoodShare program. “People have told me - anecdotally of course, because nobody tracks the purchases - but around New Years Eve you’ll see a lot of people with porterhouse steaks, t-bones, lobster, and pay for it with food stamps. In some peoples’ minds those would be abuses. It’s totally allowable. It’s legal. But should it happen? Probably not.”

Fuck you conservatives!!! I fucking hate every fucking one of you!!!

172 blueraven  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:16:07pm

It’s about 4 dead Americans y’all. That is all.

Never mind the 4000 dead under GWB in Iraq who were there because they were lied to.

173 Lidane  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:16:24pm

Greatest. Commercial. Ever.

Youtube Video
174 Bulworth  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:16:51pm
but around New Years Eve you’ll see a lot of people with porterhouse steaks, t-bones, lobster, and pay for it with food stamps. In some peoples’ minds those would be abuses. It’s totally allowable. It’s legal. But should it happen? Probably not.”

Is this The Onion?

175 FemNaziBitch  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:16:54pm

re: #171 Amory Blaine

Strapping young bucks with their t-bones!!!!

Kaufert’s FoodShare reform bill advances

Fuck you conservatives!!! I fucking hate every fucking one of you!!!

What is it that Baba says? “Let them eat gruel”

176 lawhawk  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:18:47pm

re: #171 Amory Blaine

If you’re hating them, then you’re going to really go ballistic when you hear that the Obama Administration is contemplating expanding a plan that opened up means testing and work requirements on residents of public housing projects.

177 FemNaziBitch  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:19:08pm

re: #171 Amory Blaine

Strapping young bucks with their t-bones!!!!

Kaufert’s FoodShare reform bill advances

Fuck you conservatives!!! I fucking hate every fucking one of you!!!

In some peoples’ minds is a big red flag.

and all it’s cousins.

“Some people say
“Some people think
“Some people… . . “

Fox News uses it all the time.

178 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:19:33pm

re: #171 Amory Blaine

“People have told me - anecdotally of course…that Ted Cruz feeds goat tranquilzer to teenage love slaves…”

179 klys  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:19:36pm

Stomach flu and/or food poisoning sucks.

That is all. :(

180 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:19:38pm

re: #175 FemNaziBitch

What is it that Baba says? “Let them eat gruel”

They’re on food stamps! They shouldn’t be allowed to celebrate Jesus’ birthday since they obviously don’t believe in him (enough)!

181 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:20:58pm

re: #179 klys

Stomach flu and/or food poisoning sucks.

That is all. :(

Had that a few weeks ago. You have my sympathy.

If you’re at the point you’re keeping food down then get lots of fluids so that you rehydrate.

182 Bulworth  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:21:25pm

re: #178 Sol Berdinowitz

No one’s really too sure, though, because no one tracks these kinds of things….

183 Kragar  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:21:45pm

Top Air Force commander blames ‘hookup culture’ for rise in military sexual assault

“Some of it is the hookup mentality of junior high even and high school students now, which my children can tell you about from watching their friends and being frustrated by it,” Gen. Mark A. Welsh III said at a Senate hearing on the issue.

Welsh said that “roughly 20 percent” of women in both the Air Force and the Defense Department reported being sexually assaulted before joining.

Welsh’s remarks came amid not only the release of a Pentagon study showing more than 70 sexual assaults commited per day against miltary members, but the arrest of Lt. Col. Jeff Krusinski, the USAF’s Chief of Sexual Assault Prevention, on sexual battery charges and the surfacing of a “prevention and response” brochure saying, “it may be advisable” for airmen being raped to submit to their attackers.

184 klys  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:21:50pm

re: #181 Feline Fearless Leader

Had that a few weeks ago. You have my sympathy.

If you’re at the point you’re keeping food down then get lots of fluids so that you rehydrate.

It started last night. Food is …not happening. I’m drinking ginger ale when I can manage to convince myself that moving will not result in the end of the world.

185 FemNaziBitch  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:22:22pm

re: #183 Kragar

Top Air Force commander blames ‘hookup culture’ for rise in military sexual assault

Yeah, I saw that.

Where is Zerlina Maxwell when you need her?

186 lawhawk  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:22:33pm

re: #173 Lidane

There’s so many thousands of layers of awesomeness in that ad that it goes beyond any mortal advertisement.

There’s the reference to Nimoy’s song - the ballad of Bilbo Baggins. There’s the lens flares when Quinto’s on screen and driving.

3-d chess.

There’s the books that Nimoy has on his bookcase.

The Wrath of Khan shout out - “I have been, and forever shall be, your friend - through the window”.

The Vulcan pinch.

It is glorious for its geekiness.

187 FemNaziBitch  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:22:33pm

re: #184 klys

It started last night. Food is …not happening. I’m drinking ginger ale when I can manage to convince myself that moving will not result in the end of the world.

GATORADE!

188 Amory Blaine  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:23:44pm

re: #176 lawhawk

They need to be punished for their poverty!!!

189 Kragar  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:23:50pm

re: #178 Sol Berdinowitz

“People have told me - anecdotally of course…that Ted Cruz feeds goat tranquilzer to teenage love slaves…”

It would be irresponsible not to ask questions about reports that Ted Cruz orally pleasures farm animals.
/

190 goddamnedfrank  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:24:11pm

Oh Mississippi, you slay me:

In a PPP poll released Thursday, a 46% plurality of registered Republican voters said they thought interracial marriage was not just wrong, but that it should be illegal. 40% said interracial marriage should be legal.

Gov. Haley Barbour, with a home state advantage in Mississippi, also topped PPP’s survey of the GOP primary field at 37%, followed by Mike Huckabee at 19%, and Sarah Palin and Newt Gingrich at 10%.

The poll also found that voters who thought interracial marriage should be banned liked Barbour, Palin, and Huckabee the most among the slate of potential GOP presidential candidates. Seventy-nine percent of those voters said they approved of Gov. Barbour’s job performance, while 74% said they had a favorable opinion of Sarah Palin, and 73% viewed Huckabee favorably.

191 aagcobb  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:24:11pm

re: #171 Amory Blaine

Strapping young bucks with their t-bones!!!!

Kaufert’s FoodShare reform bill advances

Fuck you conservatives!!! I fucking hate every fucking one of you!!!

Weren’t the wingnuts savagely criticizing the First Lady for encouraging kids to eat healthy cause the nanny state was going to take away our right to eat junk food?

192 FemNaziBitch  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:25:23pm

re: #191 aagcobb

Weren’t the wingnuts savagely criticizing the First Lady for encouraging kids to eat healthy cause the nanny state was going to take away our right to eat junk food?

Big Food Lobbyists —at your service.

193 FemNaziBitch  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:26:31pm

Arthur C Clarke

194 erik_t  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:27:55pm

re: #190 goddamnedfrank

Oh Mississippi, you slay me:

In a PPP poll released Thursday, a 46% plurality of registered Republican voters said they thought interracial marriage was not just wrong, but that it should be illegal. 40% said interracial marriage should be legal.

Small government.

195 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:28:05pm

re: #186 lawhawk

There’s so many thousands of layers of awesomeness in that ad that it goes beyond any mortal advertisement.

There’s the reference to Nimoy’s song - the ballad of Bilbo Baggins. There’s the lens flares when Quinto’s on screen and driving.

There’s the books that Nimoy has on his bookcase.

The Wrath of Khan shout out - “I was, and forever shall be, your friend - through the window”.

The Vulcan pinch.

It is glorious for its geekiness.

3D chess
“stuck in a black hole”

196 Amory Blaine  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:29:27pm

Wisconsin Bill Would Treat Organic Milk, Sharp Cheddar, Brown Eggs as “Junk Food”

Wisconsin’s AB 110 would mandate that two-thirds of a person’s FoodShare benefits could be spent only on foods on the WIC-approved list. Exemptions have been added so recipients can also purchase fish, beef, pork, chicken, and potatoes. Strangely, exemptions were not added so that the “healthy” two-thirds could also be spent on a full range of healthy Wisconsin farm products and fresh food.

The result is that the bulk of your FoodShare dollars can be spent on milk, but not organic milk; on eggs, but only on white eggs by the dozen, not on brown, free-range, or organic eggs; on 100 percent whole wheat bread, but not on gluten-free bread for those with Celiac disease; on slices of American cheese, but not sharp cheddar. FoodShare dollars can be spent on dry beans, but not if they come from a money-saving bulk bin at your local food coop. You can get juice boxes for your children, but only Juicy Juice brand juice boxes.

197 GeneJockey  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:30:03pm

re: #193 FemNaziBitch

Indeed. Fundies are fond of claiming that without God you can’t be moral, but my take is that morality is how you act when you aren’t being watched. Believers believe you’re ALWAYS being watched, so where’s the morality in being good while beng watched?

198 jaunte  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:30:33pm

“I want you to try to measure immeasurable.”

199 blueraven  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:31:06pm

The FBI was delayed because Susan Rice. Got it.

200 FemNaziBitch  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:31:28pm

re: #196 Amory Blaine

Wisconsin Bill Would Treat Organic Milk, Sharp Cheddar, Brown Eggs as “Junk Food”

Once again, Big Food, at your service!

It’s a matter of what UPC’s are allowed and which aren’t.

201 lawhawk  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:31:42pm

re: #196 Amory Blaine

So, they’re nanny-stating down to the brand? Really?

And by excluding organics or items like sharp cheddar, they’re screwing the Wisconsin dairy industry that happens to produce, among other things, cheese and organic dairy products.

Super move there.

202 FemNaziBitch  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:32:21pm

re: #201 lawhawk

So, they’re nanny-stating down to the brand? Really?

And by excluding organics or items like sharp cheddar, they’re screwing the Wisconsin dairy industry that happens to produce, among other things, cheese and organic dairy products.

Super move there.

It’s the same way in Illinois.

203 Amory Blaine  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:32:32pm

Laser focus on jobs!!

204 Kragar  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:33:37pm

re: #203 Amory Blaine

Laser focus on jobs!!

Got to get another Obamacare repeal vote in first.

205 lawhawk  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:33:39pm

re: #163 Charles Johnson

Of course we know what they’re raving about.

Benghazi!!!!TY That’s all you need to know. It’s shorthand for all that is wrong with the country, starting with the guy in the White House.

206 blueraven  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:34:06pm

Oh, so Hicks never asked Hillary for support in a 2am call? Really, why not?

207 Amory Blaine  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:34:36pm

re: #201 lawhawk

These are amendments to AB100, not yet law, but the motive is crystal clear.

Strapping young bucks with their T-bones!!!

208 Sionainn  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:36:27pm

re: #191 aagcobb

Weren’t the wingnuts savagely criticizing the First Lady for encouraging kids to eat healthy cause the nanny state was going to take away our right to eat junk food?

Yes, but wingnuts also get outraged that people using food stamps might actually eat better than they do. I know. It makes no sense.

209 klys  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:37:49pm

re: #208 Sionainn

Yes, but wingnuts also get outraged that people using food stamps might actually eat better than they do. I know. It makes no sense.

Poor people are just supposed to slowly starve to death.

//

210 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:38:48pm

re: #167 jaunte

Another representative focused on issues of critical importance.

that would be my idiot Rep (no, I did not vote for him…)

211 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:39:12pm

re: #201 lawhawk

So, they’re nanny-stating down to the brand? Really?

And by excluding organics or items like sharp cheddar, they’re screwing the Wisconsin dairy industry that happens to produce, among other things, cheese and organic dairy products.

Super move there.

It’s those damn union cows!

212 klys  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:39:41pm

re: #211 Feline Fearless Leader

It’s those damn union cows!

Mooo.

213 jaunte  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:41:00pm

What is this Jordan guy going on about?

214 celticdragon  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:41:01pm

re: #167 jaunte

Another representative focused on issues of critical importance.

That one I actually agree with. Then again, a broken clock is right twice a day.

215 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:41:07pm

re: #211 Feline Fearless Leader

It’s those damn union cows!

Clearly we need some well armed, freedom loving cows to deal with the problem…

Youtube Video
216 Amory Blaine  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:41:44pm

re: #212 klys

Mooo.

Moochers

217 klys  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:42:16pm

re: #216 Amory Blaine

Moochers

That kind of pun required more brain power than I have right now.

218 GeneJockey  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:42:58pm

re: #209 klys

Poor people are just supposed to slowly starve to death.

//

Of course! Poor people are poor because they’re black and brown lazy and shiftless. Anybody can get a job if they just look. Unemployment is high because unemployment insurance pays so much more than actual work.

Seriously, though, this is one of the corollaries of Free Market Fundamentalism, which is that Everyone Deserves What They Get. If you’re rich, it’s because you worked harder and are smarter than those who aren’t, therefore if you’re poor, it’s because you DIDN’T work hard.

219 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:43:04pm

re: #215 Eclectic Cyborg

Clearly we need some well armed, freedom loving cows to deal with the problem…

[Embedded content]

Or send in Steven Crowder to push over the cows.

220 Bubblehead II  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:43:17pm

Worst President eveh.

Dow, S&P hit new highs in quiet trading.

The Dow Jones industrial average rose 0.3% to end at a record high, one day after the index closed above 15,000 for the first time. The S&P 500 gained 0.4% to also end at another all-time peak. The Nasdaq added 0.5%.

221 GeneJockey  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:45:03pm

re: #220 Bubblehead II

Worst President eveh.

Dow, S&P hit new highs in quiet trading.

The Dow Jones industrial average rose 0.3% to end at a record high, one day after the index closed above 15,000 for the first time. The S&P 500 gained 0.4% to also end at another all-time peak. The Nasdaq added 0.5%.

Destruction of Capitalism - U R doin it WRONG.

222 FemNaziBitch  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:45:10pm

re: #218 GeneJockey

Seriously, though, this is one of the corollaries of Free Market Fundamentalism, which is that Everyone Deserves What They Get. If you’re rich, it’s because you worked harder and are smarter than those who aren’t, therefore if you’re poor, it’s because you DIDN’T work hard.

The Morality of the Invisible Hand

223 FemNaziBitch  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:46:25pm

IMHO, those who scream “Free Markets” the loudest are those who want a an unregulated free hand to destroy the competition. They don’t want to compete on their own merits.

224 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:47:17pm

Still haven’t seen the new kittens out in the shop but I took a picture of the
super sekrit kitteh bunker (they are hidden behind the wall).

225 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:47:17pm

Arias verdict about to be read.

226 GeneJockey  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:47:33pm

re: #222 FemNaziBitch

The Morality of the Invisible Hand

It’s worse when they combine it with religion, because then not only do you deserve what you get, for good or ill, but it also reflects on your value in God’s eyes.

227 Kragar  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:48:22pm

re: #225 Eclectic Cyborg

Arias verdict about to be read.

She is BENGHAZI!!!!

228 Bubblehead II  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:48:58pm

re: #224 Backwoods_Sleuth

Still haven’t seen the new kittens out in the shop but I took a picture of the
super sekrit kitteh bunker (they are hidden behind the wall).

Is that a solar panel in the bottom right?

229 FemNaziBitch  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:49:11pm

re: #226 GeneJockey

It’s worse when they combine it with religion, because then not only do you deserve what you get, for good or ill, but it also reflects on your value in God’s eyes.

I think it’s fundamental to Adam Smith. “The invisible hand is obviously G-d.”

I don’t think the whackos have added god.

it’s a problem.

230 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:49:27pm

re: #224 Backwoods_Sleuth

Still haven’t seen the new kittens out in the shop but I took a picture of the
super sekrit kitteh bunker (they are hidden behind the wall).

How is mama cat doing?

231 GeneJockey  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:49:52pm

Hey, speaking of trials, whatever happened to Kermit The Frog Gosnell? Has the Wingnut Media dropped the story in favor of their new shiny thing?

232 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:50:04pm

re: #218 GeneJockey

Seriously, though, this is one of the corollaries of Free Market Fundamentalism, which is that Everyone Deserves What They Get. If you’re rich, it’s because you worked harder and are smarter than those who aren’t, therefore if you’re poor, it’s because you DIDN’T work hard.

Modern-day Calvinism.

Job Creators = the Elect

233 FemNaziBitch  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:50:35pm

re: #231 GeneJockey

Hey, speaking of trials, whatever happened to Kermit The Frog Gosnell? Has the Wingnut Media dropped the story in favor of their new shiny thing?

NARAL Pro-Choice sent me an email today about “more Gosnells” and asking for money.

234 leftynyc  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:50:47pm

Arias guilty of murder 1

235 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:51:08pm

re: #231 GeneJockey

Hey, speaking of trials, whatever happened to Kermit The Frog Gosnell? Has the Wingnut Media dropped the story in favor of their new shiny thing?

Gosnell case went to the jury last week. I guess no verdict yet.

236 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:51:25pm

I’m guessing life without parole for her.

237 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:51:31pm

re: #228 Bubblehead II

Is that a solar panel in the bottom right?

yes…we’re really big on solar panels here.

238 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:52:12pm

re: #234 leftynyc

Arias guilty of murder 1

Media will now turn attention to Cleveland full bore.

239 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:52:25pm

re: #234 leftynyc

Arias guilty of murder 1

You think she will get the death penalty or life in prison?

240 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:52:37pm

re: #230 Feline Fearless Leader

How is mama cat doing?

Momma cat is doing fine. Here she is chowing down on gushy fuds

241 blueraven  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:53:01pm

Chaffetz is crying

242 leftynyc  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:53:11pm

re: #239 NJDhockeyfan

You think she will get the death penalty or life in prison?

It’s Arizona so death penalty would not surprise me.

243 jaunte  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:53:46pm

Those who cannot remember Santayana are condemned to stumble on that quote.

244 klys  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:55:15pm

re: #242 leftynyc

I mostly just feel bad for the jury. They’ve been on this case since January 2nd.

245 GeneJockey  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:55:36pm

re: #243 jaunte

“We don’t get fooled again”?

246 The Mountain That Blogs  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:56:23pm

Well, this is just about the worst tweet ever.

247 FemNaziBitch  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:57:33pm

re: #239 NJDhockeyfan

You think she will get the death penalty or life in prison?

I’m so glad I don’t watch TV.

248 Charles Johnson  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:57:54pm
249 Political Atheist  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:58:16pm

Hmmm. Crossing my fingers till it hurts. Applying for a long shot dream gig for part time. Wish me luck!

We’re Hiring! PetaPixel is Looking for New Rockstar Bloggers to Join the Team

250 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:58:54pm

re: #249 Political Atheist

good luck!!!

251 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, May 8, 2013 1:59:00pm

re: #248 Charles Johnson

And suddenly I envision Beck training Chaffetz to cry, complete with “Eye of the Tiger” in the background…

252 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, May 8, 2013 2:00:01pm

re: #251 Eclectic Cyborg

And suddenly I envision Beck training Chaffetz to cry, complete with “Eye of the Tiger” in the background…

I envision “Tears of a Clown”

253 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, May 8, 2013 2:00:58pm

re: #252 Backwoods_Sleuth

I envision “Tears of a Clown”

“Cry Me A River”

254 Charles Johnson  Wed, May 8, 2013 2:01:02pm
255 Lidane  Wed, May 8, 2013 2:01:03pm
256 efuseakay  Wed, May 8, 2013 2:01:29pm

re: #248 Charles Johnson

Quick. Get some Vick’s!

257 GeneJockey  Wed, May 8, 2013 2:02:14pm

re: #255 Lidane

Missed it by that much!

258 jaunte  Wed, May 8, 2013 2:02:51pm

It’s apparently too easy for prosecutors to get into Congress.

259 Charles Johnson  Wed, May 8, 2013 2:03:56pm

Took ‘em a while to get around to it, but now the wingers are going after Hillary Clinton big-time. Lots of stagy emotional gushing.

260 blueraven  Wed, May 8, 2013 2:04:10pm

What is Dowdy going on about?

261 Sionainn  Wed, May 8, 2013 2:04:31pm

Just tuned into the hearing for about 10 minutes. It appears to be a whole lot of nothing. *snooze*

262 FemNaziBitch  Wed, May 8, 2013 2:04:42pm

re: #259 Charles Johnson

Took ‘em a while to get around to it, but now the wingers are going after Hillary Clinton big-time. Lots of stagy emotional gushing.

I love that they see her as such a threat.

263 Sionainn  Wed, May 8, 2013 2:04:51pm

re: #260 blueraven

What is Dowdy going on about?

I don’t know. That’s what I’m sitting here wondering.

264 Bubblehead II  Wed, May 8, 2013 2:05:02pm

re: #260 blueraven

What is Dowdy going on about?

It’s all Clintons fault.

265 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, May 8, 2013 2:05:33pm

re: #254 Charles Johnson

Just some tourists looking to visit Horsell Common.
;)

266 Sionainn  Wed, May 8, 2013 2:05:38pm

Oh, he’s just pontificating.

267 jaunte  Wed, May 8, 2013 2:05:39pm

Gowdy lying about the ‘what difference does it make’ line.

268 Sionainn  Wed, May 8, 2013 2:06:16pm

These “whistleblowers” are duds.

269 Lidane  Wed, May 8, 2013 2:06:58pm

Rebranding!

270 Bulworth  Wed, May 8, 2013 2:07:12pm

re: #248 Charles Johnson

I guess Chaffetz is too young to remember the Iraq War (4,000+ American dead, countless dead Iraqis, liberated and non-liberated).

271 Lidane  Wed, May 8, 2013 2:08:00pm

re: #262 FemNaziBitch

I love that they see her as such a threat.

Just imagine if she ran and won in 2016. Heads would go ‘splodey everywhere.

272 blueraven  Wed, May 8, 2013 2:08:31pm

Looks like at half time, the republicans felt they were losing, huddled, then went with “GET CLINTON”!!

273 erik_t  Wed, May 8, 2013 2:08:38pm

BBC, we’re all pretty clear on why older men would kidnap young women and keep them hostage. Don’t run a headline about some really awful alleged activity next to their faces.

Seriously, fuck off. This is the shit I expect from my terrible media. Don’t get any ideas.

274 Targetpractice  Wed, May 8, 2013 2:08:51pm

Seems I’m late to the festivities. Have they introduced articles of impeachment yet or frogmarched Obama out of the White House?

///

275 Bulworth  Wed, May 8, 2013 2:09:52pm

So the new “whistleblowers” have basically gotten us back to where we started (Terrorism vs Maybe Terrorism, What Difference Does It Make?, etc)

A big fat nothingburger with extra mayo and bacon.

276 Lidane  Wed, May 8, 2013 2:09:57pm
277 CarleeCork  Wed, May 8, 2013 2:10:24pm

re: #271 Lidane

Just imagine if she ran and won in 2016. Heads would go ‘splodey everywhere.

I’m looking forward to it!

278 jaunte  Wed, May 8, 2013 2:10:43pm

re: #275 Bulworth

So the new “whistleblowers” have basically gotten us back to where we started (Terrorism vs Maybe Terrorism, What Difference Does It Make?, etc)

A big fat nothingburger with extra mayo and bacon.

BOMBSHELL!

279 Targetpractice  Wed, May 8, 2013 2:10:53pm

re: #265 Feline Fearless Leader

Just some tourists looking to visit Horsell Common.
;)

The chances of anything coming from Mars are a million to one.

/(geek moment)

280 Charles Johnson  Wed, May 8, 2013 2:11:26pm
281 Charles Johnson  Wed, May 8, 2013 2:11:55pm

That’s right. There’s nothing I hate more than honest caring about the truth.

282 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, May 8, 2013 2:13:38pm

re: #279 Targetpractice

The chances of anything coming from Mars are a million to one.

/(geek moment)

Jeff Wayne. :)

I have “Forever Autumn” on my iTunes main playlist.

283 Bulworth  Wed, May 8, 2013 2:13:39pm

re: #281 Charles Johnson

Don’t we all. And Freedom.

285 Targetpractice  Wed, May 8, 2013 2:13:43pm

re: #275 Bulworth

So the new “whistleblowers” have basically gotten us back to where we started (Terrorism vs Maybe Terrorism, What Difference Does It Make?, etc)

A big fat nothingburger with extra mayo and bacon.

They failed to get Obama or Rice, and now Hillary’s polling ahead of any potential contenders in ‘16, so the game plan is now “Destroy her!!”

Rather amusing how quick things change, considering six months back they were sure she’d roll on Obama to save her own hide for a future presidential run.

286 Lidane  Wed, May 8, 2013 2:13:50pm

re: #280 Charles Johnson

It’s cute that these nutters claim to care about truth when they’re peddling total bullshit conspiracies.

287 jaunte  Wed, May 8, 2013 2:14:54pm

Another day of R’s jockeying for future power, another day of the sequester going unaddressed.

288 Bulworth  Wed, May 8, 2013 2:15:01pm

re: #284 FemNaziBitch

Stay classy, Rusty.

289 Targetpractice  Wed, May 8, 2013 2:15:48pm

re: #282 Feline Fearless Leader

Jeff Wayne. :)

I have “Forever Autumn” on my iTunes main playlist.

Got the whole album on mine. “Forever Autumn’s” a good one, but I also like “Spirit of Man” and “Thunder Child.”

290 Bulworth  Wed, May 8, 2013 2:15:53pm

re: #284 FemNaziBitch

If only Romney had been allowed to win Ohio, none of these kidnappings would have happened in 2002-2003.

291 Minor_L  Wed, May 8, 2013 2:16:07pm

re: #281 Charles Johnson

To be fair, I doubt that guy would know “honest caring about the truth” if it bit him in the ass.

292 Bubblehead II  Wed, May 8, 2013 2:17:02pm

An it’s over.

293 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, May 8, 2013 2:17:04pm

re: #291 Minor_L

To be fair, I doubt that guy would know “honest caring about the truth” if it bit him in the ass.

The truth just nibbles. When reality gets hungry you lose a big chunk of your ass.

294 Targetpractice  Wed, May 8, 2013 2:17:19pm

re: #280 Charles Johnson

Yet I’m sure he was one of those who criticized Obama for “exploiting” the victims and families of Newtown to push for universal background checks.

295 jaunte  Wed, May 8, 2013 2:17:20pm

Yet Another Benghazi Nothingburger Today

Well, the big Benghazi hearings have finished up for the day, and as near I can tell we learned…..nothing. We heard testimony about the following:

The Pentagon didn’t dispatch fighter jets to patrol Benghazi following the initial attack.
A 4-man special ops team was stationed in Tripoli, but wasn’t dispatched to Benghazi the morning after the attacks to help with rescue and evacuation.
In interviews on the Sunday after the attacks, Susan Rice said things that contradicted Libyan President Mohamed Yusuf al-Magariaf.

None of this is even remotely new

296 FemNaziBitch  Wed, May 8, 2013 2:17:20pm

I have to be productive

Have a great afternoon all!

297 ProTARDISLiberal  Wed, May 8, 2013 2:17:40pm

re: #284 FemNaziBitch

What a sociopath.

Somehow, I can picture Limbaugh doing the stuff those sick freaks in Cleveland were doing.

298 Bulworth  Wed, May 8, 2013 2:17:45pm

re: #284 FemNaziBitch

Rusty keeps yammering about “low-information voters”. I don’t think that term means what he thinks it means.

299 Bulworth  Wed, May 8, 2013 2:18:47pm

re: #295 jaunte

Whistleblowers!! Cover-up!! Contradict Administration!!

300 Minor_L  Wed, May 8, 2013 2:19:15pm

re: #284 FemNaziBitch

This must be part of the new Republican re-branding efforts.

301 chadu  Wed, May 8, 2013 2:20:03pm

re: #243 jaunte

Those who cannot remember Santayana are condemned to stumble on that quote.

Those who cannot remember Santayana will probably not send him a Christmas card.

302 Bulworth  Wed, May 8, 2013 2:20:18pm

re: #284 FemNaziBitch

Maybe those Obamaphones had something to do with this..

Hey I’m just asking questions here!!1

//

303 AlexRogan  Wed, May 8, 2013 2:20:22pm

re: #133 Charles Johnson

The first comment at the Ustream page where this video comes from:

This is what a bottle of castile soap would look like if Dr. Bronner was a wingnut.

However, unlike most of these RWNJs chowderheads, the late Dr. Bronner sounded to be a decent man.

304 blueraven  Wed, May 8, 2013 2:20:23pm

re: #297 ProBosniaLiberal

What a sociopath.

Somehow, I can picture Limbaugh doing the stuff those sick freaks in Cleveland were doing.

Too far

305 Bubblehead II  Wed, May 8, 2013 2:22:16pm

re: #284 FemNaziBitch

Rush Limbaugh worried Ohio kidnap victims might receive welfare benefits

// That’s really going help you sell ads isn’t asshole

306 Targetpractice  Wed, May 8, 2013 2:22:52pm

So after weeks of crying about “eyewitnesses” and “whistleblowers” whose testimony would “end Obama’s presidency,” they get their day before Congress and…nothing happens. No grand revelations, no bombshells, nothing but more finger pointing and assigning of blame, though this time the target has switched to Hillary for apparently no other reason than because she is possibly considering running for the presidency in 3 years time.

307 goddamnedfrank  Wed, May 8, 2013 2:24:51pm

Whoa:

How to Ruin Your (or Our) Gear in 5 Minutes (Without Water)

…

The color dust is very fine, tiny specs, made to stick on people as the run by (I’m still trying to figure out why someone thought this was a good idea). Because of this, the lenses’ weather sealing, front filters, etc. don’t even slow this stuff down. It’s throughout the entire lens stuck on every element, on the gears and helicoids, and in the mirror box of the camera too. And yes, that includes pro-level lenses on pro-level cameras, all of which are supposedly weather sealed. As an added bonus, it doesn’t blow out like regular dust. It must be wiped off.

…

You know what I’d probably find more interesting than the photos of what the insides of lenses look like after this? What the inside of the runner’s lungs look like. All my medical training leaves me curious about that kind of thing.

308 Bubblehead II  Wed, May 8, 2013 2:25:24pm

re: #306 Targetpractice

Yep. Make a preemptive strike now to discredit her so if she decides to run, they will have some ready made dirt to heap on her.

309 AlexRogan  Wed, May 8, 2013 2:27:14pm

re: #248 Charles Johnson

Mainlining Vicks VapoRub.

310 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, May 8, 2013 2:28:19pm
311 Targetpractice  Wed, May 8, 2013 2:33:23pm

re: #308 Bubblehead II

Yep. Make a preemptive trike now to discredit her so if she decides to run, they will have some ready made dirt to heap on her.

Thing is, by the time the next election rolls around, Hillary’s going to be pushing 69. While she might run for VP, I’m not sure she’d be healthy enough to stick it out six years.

312 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, May 8, 2013 2:37:46pm

re: #311 Targetpractice

Thing is, by the time the next election rolls around, Hillary’s going to be pushing 69. While she might run for VP, I’m not sure she’d be healthy enough to stick it out six years.

I hope she doesn’t. I would find myself hard-pressed to vote for Hillary, even though I cannot imagine the GOP fielding anyone I could consider voting for.

313 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Wed, May 8, 2013 2:38:33pm

re: #284 FemNaziBitch

Rush Limbaugh worried Ohio kidnap victims might receive welfare benefits

Not really. He was worried that the kidnapper(s) might have done it to use the women to get welfare benefits. Not sure how that was going to work unless they were going to tell the government they had these women that every one knew were missing, which seems somehow contraindicated.

314 Bubblehead II  Wed, May 8, 2013 2:38:37pm

re: #311 Targetpractice

Thing is, by the time the next election rolls around, Hillary’s going to be pushing 69. While she might run for VP, I’m not sure she’d be healthy enough to stick it out six years.

Never know. I know some people pushing 80 that are very healthy and very active. And I think you meant 8 years, not 6.

315 Targetpractice  Wed, May 8, 2013 2:40:33pm

re: #314 Bubblehead II

Never know. I know some people pushing 80 that are very healthy and very active. And I think you meant 8 years, not 6.

Somebody said six years earlier when the subject came up and my derp-addled mind repeated it to me just now.

316 Lidane  Wed, May 8, 2013 2:41:41pm

*sigh*

317 blueraven  Wed, May 8, 2013 2:45:39pm

Good Lord, idiot Greg Gutfield of Fox News just called The Media “Obama’s scandal condom”

He is upset that they covered the Arias verdict and the Cleveland kidnapping presser.

318 Targetpractice  Wed, May 8, 2013 2:46:57pm

re: #316 Lidane

*sigh*

On the list of major scandals in American history, Benghazi doesn’t even rate. Hell, Teapot Dome rates higher on the list than Benghazi. Monicagate rates higher. Benghazi is a bunch of Republicans playing Monday morning quarter back in the hopes they can convince folks there’s a fire when everybody with more than two neurons can tell there’s no smoke.

319 blueraven  Wed, May 8, 2013 2:48:05pm

re: #318 Targetpractice

On the list of major scandals in American history, Benghazi doesn’t even rate. Hell, Teapot Dome rates higher on the list than Benghazi. Monicagate rates higher. Benghazi is a bunch of Republicans playing Monday morning quarter back in the hopes they can convince folks there’s a fire when everybody with more than two neurons can tell there’s no smoke.

Yes, because there is NO scandal here

320 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, May 8, 2013 2:49:44pm

re: #318 Targetpractice

On the list of major scandals in American history, Benghazi doesn’t even rate. Hell, Teapot Dome rates higher on the list than Benghazi. Monicagate rates higher. Benghazi is a bunch of Republicans playing Monday morning quarter back in the hopes they can convince folks there’s a fire when everybody with more than two neurons can tell there’s no smoke.

They are playing to their base, positioning themselves for their next prmary against even more rabid TPGOP candidates, a high profile on Benghazi will help reassure their re-nomination.

That is the sad fate of any GOP candidate, as we jsut saw with Mark Sanford, they cannot distance themselves from or alienate their base, it is now too string within the party.

Wingnut has gone mainstream and is going to suck the whole party down with it.

321 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 8, 2013 2:56:04pm

Wingnuts are going back to pushing this totally debunked bullshit:

322 efuseakay  Wed, May 8, 2013 2:57:08pm

re: #320 Sol Berdinowitz

It’s going to take elected officials of the GOP to openly call for an armed revolution for things to turn around. After they get their asses handed to them, they will be back to crying in the corner (of their prison cells).

323 jaunte  Wed, May 8, 2013 2:57:22pm

re: #321 Vicious Babushka

Wow, it’s even copyrighted.

324 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 8, 2013 2:58:05pm

re: #323 jaunte

Wow, it’s even copyrighted.

So how much does he collect from every doofus who Tweets it?

325 efuseakay  Wed, May 8, 2013 2:58:05pm

re: #321 Vicious Babushka

Wingnuts are going back to pushing this totally debunked bullshit:

Guess they didn’t get what they wanted today. Awwwwwwwwwwwww!

326 jaunte  Wed, May 8, 2013 2:59:45pm

re: #324 Vicious Babushka

@Tom_Francois
Waiting for the Military to drag Imam Obama from the White House kicking and screaming ‘Allah Akbar’ as they arrest him for TREASON!

C®AZY!

327 Charles Johnson  Wed, May 8, 2013 2:59:55pm

More burbling:

328 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 8, 2013 3:00:07pm

Your “fair share” of what someone else has worked for: Koch’s and Waltons have it.

329 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Wed, May 8, 2013 3:00:25pm

re: #323 jaunte

Wow, it’s even copyrighted.

Are you saying that if you had penned that literary masterpiece you wouldn’t make sure everyone knew you retained exclusive rights to its use?

330 darthstar  Wed, May 8, 2013 3:00:54pm

Heh…just fell asleep at my keyboard while responding to a comment. Fortunately I didn’t face plant. But hey, it’s Wednesday, 3pm…we should have desserts delivered in the next few minutes! Sugar rush!

331 Targetpractice  Wed, May 8, 2013 3:02:49pm

re: #317 blueraven

Good Lord, idiot Greg Gutfield of Fox News just called The Media “Obama’s scandal condom”

He is upset that they covered the Arias verdict and the Cleveland kidnapping presser.

Yeah, shocker, the media not paying attention to the latest House Republican kabuki dance. Nobody went into this today expecting anything other than what we got: rehashing old facts with a new emphasis on how Hillary is “Teh Debil!” Nothing really expected that Republicans would reach any other conclusion.

332 EPR-radar  Wed, May 8, 2013 3:03:15pm

re: #328 Vicious Babushka

I’d love to see Sowell challenged to explain precisely how US executive compensation has been “worked for”.

333 kirkspencer  Wed, May 8, 2013 3:04:02pm

re: #312 Sol Berdinowitz

I hope she doesn’t. I would find myself hard-pressed to vote for Hillary, even though I cannot imagine the GOP fielding anyone I could consider voting for.

If Hillary runs it is very unlikely she’ll have much of a field to run against. Notice how quiet the possible Dem candidates are being, while on the right there are a few “we’re not saying yet, but we’re looking at it” candidates.

If she runs I’ll vote for her over anyone I see in the Republican field. Yeah, she’s getting old. Yes, that’s a problem. But when the choices are “too old” and “OMG what planet are you from” I’ll go with “too old.”

Besides, there’s always her VP, whomever that may be.

334 Kragar  Wed, May 8, 2013 3:04:37pm

re: #327 Charles Johnson

More burbling:

Not jumping on the Benghazi express means you’re not American.

335 Targetpractice  Wed, May 8, 2013 3:06:25pm

re: #328 Vicious Babushka

Your “fair share” of what someone else has worked for: Koch’s and Waltons have it.

Shorter quote: “Fuck you, I got mine!”

I’ll believe guys like Mitt Romney “worked for” what they got when they roll up their sleeves and join the blue collar workers on the line. Until then, answering phone calls, signing paperwork, sitting through meetings, and chatting over drinks is not “working for it.”

336 Kragar  Wed, May 8, 2013 3:06:30pm

re: #328 Vicious Babushka

Your “fair share” of what someone else has worked for: Koch’s and Waltons have it.

Your fair share of working 60 hour work weeks so your boss can get a 7 figure bonus and you get the privilege of keeping your job and your benefits cut.

337 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 8, 2013 3:06:40pm

re: #332 EPR-radar

I’d love to see Sowell challenged to explain precisely how US executive compensation has been “worked for”.

Sowell gets paid by the 1% rich white men to be their “I’m not a racist!” beard, so he’ll say they “earned it.”

338 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 8, 2013 3:07:03pm

re: #335 Targetpractice

Shorter quote: “Fuck you, I got mine!”

I’ll believe guys like Mitt Romney “worked for” what they got when they roll up their sleeves and join the blue collar workers on the line. Until then, answering phone calls, signing paperwork, sitting through meetings, and chatting over drinks is not “working for it.”

Mitt has done that for photo ops.

339 GeneJockey  Wed, May 8, 2013 3:07:03pm

re: #332 EPR-radar

I’d love to see Sowell challenged to explain precisely how US executive compensation has been “worked for”.

That’s easy, actually. The response would be that CEOs compensation is because they ‘add value’ to the company, that it’s determined by The Market and therefore is OF COURSE fair and just.

340 Targetpractice  Wed, May 8, 2013 3:08:07pm

re: #339 GeneJockey

That’s easy, actually. The response would be that CEOs compensation is because they ‘add value’ to the company, that it’s determined by The Market and therefore is OF COURSE fair and just.

“Yeah, I ran my company into the ground and drove thousands of honest jobs overseas, but damnit, I boosted the company’s stock price, so I deserve that multi-million dollar bonus!”

341 Mike Lamb  Wed, May 8, 2013 3:08:39pm

re: #321 Vicious Babushka

Wingnuts are going back to pushing this totally debunked bullshit:

Even if it’s true, it’s beside the point—Democrats, liberals, etc. are working to try to stop mass shootings from happening again, while Republicans, conservatives, etc. are blocking those efforts.

342 EPR-radar  Wed, May 8, 2013 3:08:45pm

re: #337 Vicious Babushka

Sowell gets paid by the 1% rich white men to be their “I’m not a racist!” beard, so he’ll say they “earned it.”

I’m just somewhat curious as to which of the informal fallacies of argument Sowell would use to get to this ordained conclusion.

343 Decatur Deb  Wed, May 8, 2013 3:11:24pm

re: #321 Vicious Babushka

Wingnuts are going back to pushing this totally debunked bullshit:

My inconsistency warning light just flickered—are we homicidally dangerous or unicorn-humping wimps?

344 GeneJockey  Wed, May 8, 2013 3:12:56pm

re: #335 Targetpractice

I’ll believe guys like Mitt Romney “worked for” what they got when they roll up their sleeves and join the blue collar workers on the line. Until then, answering phone calls, signing paperwork, sitting through meetings, and chatting over drinks is not “working for it.”

To be fair, I think that CEOs and such DO earn higher levels of compensation. It’s not all golf and drinks, and you do take on a lot of responsibility.

But it’s not 400 times as much as the average worker, fer chrissake!!!

re: #340 Targetpractice

“Yeah, I ran my company into the ground and drove thousands of honest jobs overseas, but damnit, I boosted the company’s stock price, so I deserve that multi-million dollar bonus!”

Yeah, don’t you love it?

345 thedopefishlives  Wed, May 8, 2013 3:13:23pm

re: #339 GeneJockey

That’s easy, actually. The response would be that CEOs compensation is because they ‘add value’ to the company, that it’s determined by The Market and therefore is OF COURSE fair and just.

“The Market” is, in this case, an insiders’ club who are essentially setting their own market rates. I see nothing fair and just about that.

Evening Lizardim.

346 EPR-radar  Wed, May 8, 2013 3:15:41pm

re: #339 GeneJockey

That’s easy, actually. The response would be that CEOs compensation is because they ‘add value’ to the company, that it’s determined by The Market and therefore is OF COURSE fair and just.

The fun begins when this argument is pointed out for what is it —- stating the dogma of free market fundamentalism as a self-evident truth.

347 GeneJockey  Wed, May 8, 2013 3:16:35pm

re: #345 thedopefishlives

“The Market” is, in this case, an insiders’ club who are essentially setting their own market rates. I see nothing fair and just about that.

Exactly.

Executive compensation is set by the Board of Directors, and who sits on Boards? Other CEOs. This means you’re evaluating what a job like yours should pay, AND you’re essentially generating the data your own compensation committee will use to decide YOUR salary.

348 EPR-radar  Wed, May 8, 2013 3:18:28pm

re: #347 GeneJockey

Exactly.

Executive compensation is set by the Board of Directors, and who sits on Boards? Other CEOs. This means you’re evaluating what a job like yours should pay, AND you’re essentially generating the data your own compensation committee will use to decide YOUR salary.

And if that wasn’t enough, there’s a sub-specialty of this racket known as executive compensation consultants (hired by executives). Can’t imagine why their reports always recommend higher executive compensation.

349 thedopefishlives  Wed, May 8, 2013 3:20:01pm

re: #348 EPR-radar

And if that wasn’t enough, there’s a sub-specialty of this racket known as executive compensation consultants (hired by executives). Can’t imagine why their reports always recommend higher executive compensation.

“Why, no, paying me to tell people that they need to pay you more isn’t unethical at all!”

350 CarleeCork  Wed, May 8, 2013 3:20:38pm

re: #344 GeneJockey

Exactly! See JC Penney.

351 GeneJockey  Wed, May 8, 2013 3:24:13pm

re: #346 EPR-radar

Every so often, I ask wingnuts what today’s rich people have done to make them worth THAT MUCH MORE than rich people back in the Postwar Era - you know, The America I Grew Up In that wingnuts always pine for? - and conversely, are average workers really THAT MUCH lazier than their predecessors?

The answers usually amount to claiming I don’t understand Economics, or that I’m a Communist.

352 GeneJockey  Wed, May 8, 2013 3:26:08pm

re: #348 EPR-radar

And if that wasn’t enough, there’s a sub-specialty of this racket known as executive compensation consultants (hired by executives). Can’t imagine why their reports always recommend higher executive compensation.

“This year, our company spent a lot of money to pay a group of our friends to tell us that we, the executives, are underpaid, while you, the workers are overpaid.

“We believe this was money well spent.”

353 EPR-radar  Wed, May 8, 2013 3:26:51pm

re: #351 GeneJockey

Every so often, I ask wingnuts what today’s rich people have done to make them worth THAT MUCH MORE than rich people back in the Postwar Era - you know, The America I Grew Up In that wingnuts always pine for? - and conversely, are average workers really THAT MUCH lazier than their predecessors?

The answers usually amount to claiming I don’t understand Economics, or that I’m a Communist.

What other answers could they possibly give to your questions? Right wing BS and talking points seem to be the only option.

354 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 8, 2013 3:37:15pm

re: #351 GeneJockey

Every so often, I ask wingnuts what today’s rich people have done to make them worth THAT MUCH MORE than rich people back in the Postwar Era - you know, The America I Grew Up In that wingnuts always pine for? - and conversely, are average workers really THAT MUCH lazier than their predecessors?

The answers usually amount to claiming I don’t understand Economics, or that I’m a Communist.

These execs frequently complain that they have a rare and unique skill set which is in high demand, and if they aren’t paid what they are “worth” some other company would be thrilled to recruit them.

Yeah, OK, go for it.

355 EPR-radar  Wed, May 8, 2013 3:41:46pm

re: #354 Vicious Babushka

These execs frequently complain that they have a rare and unique skill set which is in high demand, and if they aren’t paid what they are “worth” some other company would be thrilled to recruit them.

Yeah, OK, go for it.

Fairy tales. Any big company probably has at least a dozen senior executives that could do the CEO job. Only one of them gets to be CEO…

356 Joanne  Wed, May 8, 2013 4:11:23pm

re: #173 Lidane

Greatest. Commercial. Ever.

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357 Romantic Heretic  Wed, May 8, 2013 5:01:18pm

re: #284 FemNaziBitch

Rush Limbaugh worried Ohio kidnap victims might receive welfare benefits

What a douche.

358 chadu  Wed, May 8, 2013 6:11:05pm

re: #344 GeneJockey

I really want a “meh” ding here. (I see your point, but it’s not enough for me to upding, savvy?)

359 Bulworth  Thu, May 9, 2013 4:07:42am

re: #327 Charles Johnson

It WILL come out. Will. Someday. Just you wait. Maybe.

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