Heritage Immigration Study Co-Author Penned Articles for White Nationalist Website

Heritage hired a racist, but claims: ‘race and ethnicity are not part of our immigration policy recommendations’

Heritage Foundation Analyst Jason Richwine, the co-author of a study claiming the immigration reform bill pending in the Senate would cost taxpayers $6.3 trillion, wrote two articles in 2010 for a website founded by Richard Spencer, a self-described “nationalist” who writes frequently about race and against “the abstract notion of human equality.”

Richwine’s two stories for Spencer’s website, alternativeright.com,dealt with crime rates among Hispanics in the United States. alternativeright.com describes itself as “dedicated to heretical perspectives on society and culture—popular, high, and otherwise—particularly those informed by radical, traditionalist, and nationalist outlooks.”

[…]

Spencer defines what he means by ‘nationalism’:

“It’s a belief that you are part of an extended family,” he said. “You believe that you are part of something bigger than yourself, it’s an extended family, and you want to pursue the future health of this extended family. That is nationalism properly defined.”

He added: “Race is real. Race has consequences in the real world. Loving your race is healthy and normal. So if that is the definition of racism—which I would think of as nationalism, or you could say racialism—then yes, that is what I believe,” he said. “I think white people should love their history and love their ancestors. Operating on some kind of infantile, abstract notion of human equality is actually a very unusual and unhealthy way to view the world.”

Read the whole thing here: Heritage Immigration Study Co-Author Penned Articles for ‘Nationalist’ Website

Also see
UPDATE at 5/9/13 3:10:35 pm

Jason Richwine has also written for the National Review, which makes him the third National Review author recently discovered to have white nationalist connections (in addition to John Derbyshire and Robert Weissberg): Jason Richwine Archive - National Review Online | National Review Online.

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389 comments

1 Kragar  Thu, May 9, 2013 1:30:39pm

What else do you expect from a thinktank which hired Jim Demint?

2 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, May 9, 2013 1:30:47pm

This is GOP mainstream, and this is the sort of thing we can expect more of from a GOP presidential administration.

3 Bulworth  Thu, May 9, 2013 1:32:58pm

“It’s a belief that you are part of an extended family,” he said. “You believe that you are part of something bigger than yourself, it’s an extended family, and you want to pursue the future health of this extended family. That is nationalism properly defined.”

He added: “Race is real. Race has consequences in the real world. Loving your race is healthy and normal. So if that is the definition of racism—which I would think of as nationalism, or you could say racialism—then yes, that is what I believe,” he said. “I think white people should love their history and love their ancestors. Operating on some kind of infantile, abstract notion of human equality is actually a very unusual and unhealthy way to view the world.”

So, lemme see if I got this straight…

Being a part of something bigger than myself, a member of an extended family is super great awesomesauce, but the notion of human equality is “unhealthy”?

4 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, May 9, 2013 1:36:40pm

Humans are to some extent hard-wired for racism: we evolved socially living in small groups, outsiders, especially those who looked different, were seen as a threat or as competitors for resources.

The issue becomes critical when we look on racial characteristics as a reason for denying people rights or excluding them from the policial process.

5 freetoken  Thu, May 9, 2013 1:39:45pm

re: #2 Sol Berdinowitz

Well, Rubio will now crow that he rejected the report out of hand.

6 Kragar  Thu, May 9, 2013 1:40:02pm

Because only homosexual men could engage in sexual misconduct with a man, never a woman abusing a man.

7 darthstar  Thu, May 9, 2013 1:40:18pm
8 Lawrence Schmerel  Thu, May 9, 2013 1:40:47pm

“Operating on some kind of infantile, abstract notion of human equality?” Is he talking about the Bill of Rights and subsequent Amendments to the Constitution of the United States?

9 freetoken  Thu, May 9, 2013 1:40:58pm

The comments over at that Yahoo article demonstrate well how deeply this stuff runs.

10 Lidane  Thu, May 9, 2013 1:41:56pm

When your entire party message is aimed at angry white people, you need a lot more angry white people voting.

Demographics are death for the GOP and they know it. Heratige knows it. Ergo, immigration “studies” like this one.

11 Targetpractice  Thu, May 9, 2013 1:42:41pm

re: #3 Bulworth

“It’s a belief that you are part of an extended family,” he said. “You believe that you are part of something bigger than yourself, it’s an extended family, and you want to pursue the future health of this extended family. That is nationalism properly defined.”

He added: “Race is real. Race has consequences in the real world. Loving your race is healthy and normal. So if that is the definition of racism—which I would think of as nationalism, or you could say racialism—then yes, that is what I believe,” he said. “I think white people should love their history and love their ancestors. Operating on some kind of infantile, abstract notion of human equality is actually a very unusual and unhealthy way to view the world.”

So, lemme see if I got this straight…

Being a part of something bigger than myself, a member of an extended family is super great awesomesauce, but the notion of human equality is “unhealthy”?

It’s something I’ve seen in other wingnuts, the idea that all peoples of America should come together and believe in the wonder of this great nation…just so long as they keep to their own kind. Whether it’s scientific racism, dumb racism, or cynical racism, the general theme is always “Everybody’s not equal and the law shouldn’t try to make them so.”

12 Bulworth  Thu, May 9, 2013 1:46:49pm
Richard Spencer, a self-described “nationalist

This guy related to Robert Spencer (the anti-Muslim guy)?

13 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 9, 2013 1:49:34pm

re: #12 Bulworth

This guy related to Robert Spencer (the anti-Muslim guy)?

No relation as far as I know.

14 Lidane  Thu, May 9, 2013 1:51:23pm

Because the irony of this Ayn Rand quote will never not be funny to me:

“Racism is the lowest, most crudely primitive form of collectivism. It is the notion of ascribing moral, social or political significance to a man’s genetic lineage—the notion that a man’s intellectual and characterological traits are produced and transmitted by his internal body chemistry. Which means, in practice, that a man is to be judged, not by his own character and actions, but by the characters and actions of a collective of ancestors.

Racism claims that the content of a man’s mind (not his cognitive apparatus, but its content) is inherited; that a man’s convictions, values and character are determined before he is born, by physical factors beyond his control. This is the caveman’s version of the doctrine of innate ideas—or of inherited knowledge—which has been thoroughly refuted by philosophy and science. Racism is a doctrine of, by and for brutes. It is a barnyard or stock-farm version of collectivism, appropriate to a mentality that differentiates between various breeds of animals, but not between animals and men.

Like every form of determinism, racism invalidates the specific attribute which distinguishes man from all other living species: his rational faculty. Racism negates two aspects of man’s life: reason and choice, or mind and morality, replacing them with chemical predestination.”

15 EPR-radar  Thu, May 9, 2013 1:53:36pm

The part of this story that surprises me the most is that straight-up scientific racism can be a Ph.D. dissertation at Harvard in the 21st century (Jason Richwine’s thesis).

In addition to scientific racism’s total lack of moral or scientific merit, it isn’t even new.

16 Joanne  Thu, May 9, 2013 1:54:58pm

re: #3 Bulworth

“It’s a belief that you are part of an extended family,” he said. “You believe that you are part of something bigger than yourself, it’s an extended family, and you want to pursue the future health of this extended family. That is nationalism properly defined.”

He added: “Race is real. Race has consequences in the real world. Loving your race is healthy and normal. So if that is the definition of racism—which I would think of as nationalism, or you could say racialism—then yes, that is what I believe,” he said. “I think white people should love their history and love their ancestors. Operating on some kind of infantile, abstract notion of human equality is actually a very unusual and unhealthy way to view the world.”

So, lemme see if I got this straight…

Being a part of something bigger than myself, a member of an extended family is super great awesomesauce, but the notion of human equality is “unhealthy”?

Funny. I kinda thought that was what being American was about.

17 EPR-radar  Thu, May 9, 2013 1:55:17pm

re: #14 Lidane

A fine example of a blind squirrel effectively finding the acorn. Thanks for posting it.

18 blueraven  Thu, May 9, 2013 1:59:23pm
His doctoral dissertation, titled “IQ and Immigration Policy,” was recently unearthed by The Washington Post’s Dylan Matthews, who reports that Richwine believes “there are deep-set differentials in intelligence between races.”

No one knows whether Hispanics will ever reach IQ parity with whites, but the prediction that new Hispanic immigrants will have low-IQ children and grandchildren is difficult to argue against. From the perspective of Americans alive today, the low average IQ of Hispanics is effectively permanent.

huffingtonpost.com

19 Lidane  Thu, May 9, 2013 1:59:48pm

re: #18 blueraven

huffingtonpost.com

Rebranding!

20 klys  Thu, May 9, 2013 2:00:21pm

re: #15 EPR-radar

The part of this story that surprises me the most is that straight-up scientific racism can be a Ph.D. dissertation at Harvard in the 21st century (Jason Richwine’s thesis).

In addition to scientific racism’s total lack of moral or scientific merit, it isn’t even new.

THIS this this this this.

It makes me so, so sad/angry/frustrated/want to smash things that this can apparently pass for a Ph.D. dissertation. At Harvard. Because it’s complete and utter bullshit.

21 EPR-radar  Thu, May 9, 2013 2:02:30pm

re: #11 Targetpractice

It’s something I’ve seen in other wingnuts, the idea that all peoples of America should come together and believe in the wonder of this great nation…just so long as they keep to their own kind. Whether it’s scientific racism, dumb racism, or cynical racism, the general theme is always “Everybody’s not equal and the law shouldn’t try to make them so.”

Present-day scientific racists almost always leave it up to the audience to decide what should be done in view of these ‘revealed truths’. E.g., in the Bell Curve , the authors concluded with a bunch of weak-sauce recommendations. The recommendations that were sensible (e.g., decreasing the complexity of official procedures where possible) made sense independently of whether or not the preceding hundreds of pages of drivel were true or not.

They rely on the bigotry in some of their audience to fill in the blanks (i.e., end affirmative action, stop paying attention to civil rights issues for minorities, possibly even a return to Jim Crow segregation).

22 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, May 9, 2013 2:03:51pm

re: #18 blueraven

huffingtonpost.com

I saw this yesterday and spent a little time on the Wikipedia page on “IQ”. That subject alone is a lot more complex and in dispute than Richwine’s summary lets on.

Though I will caveat that I have not read the thesis (not willing to buy it on Amazon) and thus cannot confirm how he addresses that field of study. I simply suspect that he cherrypicked it for the kind of IQ measurement system that fit his desired ends and left it at that.

23 EPR-radar  Thu, May 9, 2013 2:04:44pm

re: #20 klys

THIS this this this this.

It makes me so, so sad/angry/frustrated/want to smash things that this can apparently pass for a Ph.D. dissertation. At Harvard. Because it’s complete and utter bullshit.

This has been explored on the web. Apparently, at least one of the profs on Richwine’s committee is a fellow traveler in the enterprise of scientific racism.

24 DO WINGNUT WORDS SHOW THEY EVOLVED BRAINS?11!!  Thu, May 9, 2013 2:07:07pm

While people spent the last 40 years riled up about in your face “Skinheads” and KKK groups, these “Intellectual” racists were quietly thriving.

25 freetoken  Thu, May 9, 2013 2:08:19pm

re: #24 DO WINGNUT WORDS SHOW THEY EVOLVED BRAINS?11!!

Hmmm… I don’t know that they “thrived”. Could they not have been there all along, but were a small faction and thus their signal overwhelmed by the KKK noise?

26 Ian G.  Thu, May 9, 2013 2:08:54pm

re: #14 Lidane

Because the irony of this Ayn Rand quote will never not be funny to me:

Hey, you know what they say about broken clocks.

27 klys  Thu, May 9, 2013 2:10:05pm

re: #23 EPR-radar

This has been explored on the web. Apparently, at least one of the profs on Richwine’s committee is a fellow traveler in the enterprise of scientific racism.

I just don’t have words. I don’t. There is nothing ‘scientific’ about this bullshit (and I know it’s not your term for it). To see it coming out of Harvard is even more depressing.

I think we are all aware of another group that thought there were significant racial disparities among qualities such as intelligence. Not to Godwin the thread or anything, but fuck. I can’t even construct any kind of rational response to this bullshit.

28 Ian G.  Thu, May 9, 2013 2:10:42pm

In other news, it looks like Minnesota will be legalizing gay marriage.

There’s a Marcus Bachmann joke waiting to be made….

29 klys  Thu, May 9, 2013 2:11:17pm

re: #25 freetoken

Hmmm… I don’t know that they “thrived”. Could they not have been there all along, but were a small faction and thus their signal overwhelmed by the KKK noise?

Ummm, I think managing to get a position at Harvard - presumably tenured or tenure-track, because those are typically requirements for serving on a Ph.D. committee - counts as thriving.

30 DO WINGNUT WORDS SHOW THEY EVOLVED BRAINS?11!!  Thu, May 9, 2013 2:11:26pm

re: #25 freetoken

Perhaps.

31 Targetpractice  Thu, May 9, 2013 2:13:31pm

re: #28 Ian G.

In other news, it looks like Minnesota will be legalizing gay marriage.

There’s a Marcus Bachmann joke waiting to be made….

That makes 12 states now? I’m curious if SCOTUS will use this as cover to argue that the question of gay marriage legality is best left up to the states.

32 EPR-radar  Thu, May 9, 2013 2:14:14pm

re: #27 klys

I just don’t have words. I don’t. There is nothing ‘scientific’ about this bullshit (and I know it’s not your term for it). To see it coming out of Harvard is even more depressing.

I think we are all aware of another group that thought there were significant racial disparities among qualities such as intelligence. Not to Godwin the thread or anything, but fuck. I can’t even construct any kind of rational response to this bullshit.

This kind of thread can’t be Godwinned. It is a simple statement of fact that revulsion at what the Nazis did is the main reason eugenics and the more overt versions of scientific racism became very marginalized positions in US thought immediately after WWII.

33 Lidane  Thu, May 9, 2013 2:17:54pm

re: #31 Targetpractice

That makes 12 states now? I’m curious if SCOTUS will use this as cover to argue that the question of gay marriage legality is best left up to the states.

I really hope they don’t pull that cowardly shit. DOMA and Prop 8 need to be nuked from orbit.

34 erik_t  Thu, May 9, 2013 2:19:28pm

re: #33 Lidane

I really hope they don’t pull that cowardly shit. DOMA and Prop 8 need to be nuked from orbit.

While I agree, that cowardly shit wouldn’t apply to DOMA, I don’t think. They might use it to avoid ruling on Prop 8, but I can’t imagine it being used on DOMA.

Of course, on the other hand, this fucking Supreme Court.

35 darthstar  Thu, May 9, 2013 2:19:40pm

Cool! The second of two people I wanted to hire just accepted. After eight weeks of filtering out people from the puppy mill of engineers in the valley (some place called Portnov Computer School) I got a senior automation guy and a manual tester. Holding off on my other two hires until I get these people settled…but damn, I’m glad I got through that.

36 Lidane  Thu, May 9, 2013 2:20:41pm

re: #34 erik_t

While I agree, that cowardly shit wouldn’t apply to DOMA, I don’t think. They might use it to avoid ruling on Prop 8, but I can’t imagine it being used on DOMA.

Of course, on the other hand, this fucking Supreme Court.

It would apply to Prop 8. I can imagine this Court saying they don’t want to rule on it and leave it to the states.

DOMA is federal law and I believe the suit is based on a tax dispute.

37 HoosierHoops  Thu, May 9, 2013 2:21:20pm

Connecticut Gun Group Attacks Father Of Sandy Hook Victim
livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com

Who was it that said years ago, ’ Sir have you no shame? ‘

38 wrenchwench  Thu, May 9, 2013 2:23:04pm

I meant to put this also under ‘Also See’, but I couldn’t find it earlier.

Co-Author of New Immigration Study Says Latinos Not as Intelligent

39 kerFuFFler  Thu, May 9, 2013 2:24:27pm

re: #4 Sol Berdinowitz

Humans are to some extent hard-wired for racism: we evolved socially living in small groups, outsiders, especially those who looked different, were seen as a threat or as competitors for resources.

The issue becomes critical when we look on racial characteristics as a reason for denying people rights or excluding them from the policial process.

I agree that racism is “natural” to some extent but that it can be greatly exacerbated by culture and and familial attitudes.

But I hate it when people think that just because something pops up “naturally” we must accept it. I think racism is kind of like the growth of weeds in a garden——something to be recognized, pulled out and discarded. And then most importantly, vigilance must be maintained because such thoughts or feelings will likely pop up again, just like weeds.

40 Bubblehead II  Thu, May 9, 2013 2:25:17pm

re: #31 Targetpractice

That makes 12 states now? I’m curious if SCOTUS will use this as cover to argue that the question of gay marriage legality is best left up to the states.

If they do, they will also have rule on wether or not a State that forbids same sex marriage has to recognize a marriage from a State that does.

41 EPR-radar  Thu, May 9, 2013 2:28:05pm

re: #39 kerFuFFler

I agree that racism is “natural” to some extent but that it can be greatly exacerbated by culture and and familial attitudes.

But I hate it when people think that just because something pops up “naturally” we must accept it. I think racism is kind of like the growth of weeds in a garden——something to be recognized, pulled out and discarded. And then most importantly, vigilance must be maintained because such thoughts or feelings will likely pop up again, just like weeds.

Civilization itself can be regarded as an exercise in such weed-pulling.

100% percent agreement that something that happens ‘naturally’ is not thereby necessarily incorporated into society.

42 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, May 9, 2013 2:28:51pm

re: #31 Targetpractice

That makes 12 states now? I’m curious if SCOTUS will use this as cover to argue that the question of gay marriage legality is best left up to the states.

Probably not. Unless they are going to default also say that states saying it’s not legal have to honor those from another state. Equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment and all that. In which case they might as well rule now since otherwise this will be the basis of a new set of cases within a year or two.

43 kerFuFFler  Thu, May 9, 2013 2:28:57pm

re: #4 Sol Berdinowitz

Oh, and sometimes people will say that we evolved to have this instinctive distrust and hatred of people not like ourselves, and that therefore it must be adaptive or “good”.

Living in a diverse society, such feelings are no longer adaptive. Things change…

44 abolitionist  Thu, May 9, 2013 2:29:05pm

re: #37 HoosierHoops

Connecticut Gun Group Attacks Father Of Sandy Hook Victim
livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com

Who was it that said years ago, ’ Sir have you no shame? ‘

Edward R. Murrow —on a live broadcast of one of the HUAC hearings, I think. [Edit: See #49]

45 Political Atheist  Thu, May 9, 2013 2:29:21pm

WW-Obviously you watch this closely.
So how far out of whack are the dollars in the Heritage report thought to be?

46 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, May 9, 2013 2:31:17pm

re: #27 klys

I just don’t have words. I don’t. There is nothing ‘scientific’ about this bullshit (and I know it’s not your term for it). To see it coming out of Harvard is even more depressing.

I think we are all aware of another group that thought there were significant racial disparities among qualities such as intelligence. Not to Godwin the thread or anything, but fuck. I can’t even construct any kind of rational response to this bullshit.

The Nazis have provided an excellent historical scapegoat for the fact that racism, scientific and otherwise, was an issue in the purportedly enlightened Western nations of the world prior to World War II, and variations on “We’re not the Nazis”/’We fought the Nazis”/”How dare you compare us to Nazis” have been used to derail conversations about racism ever since.

The whole Godwin Taboo thing has to give at some point…reductio ad Hitler is still a fallacy, but on the other hand, it’s not automatically derailing to mention specific aspects of National Socialist policy or thought. NSDAP wasn’t some unique snowflake incomparable to other movements at the same time, nor have the ideas they sampled simply dropped out of existence. They existed before the Nazis, they are present after them…case in point….

47 Targetpractice  Thu, May 9, 2013 2:32:07pm

re: #37 HoosierHoops

Connecticut Gun Group Attacks Father Of Sandy Hook Victim
livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com

Who was it that said years ago, ’ Sir have you no shame? ‘

48 Kragar  Thu, May 9, 2013 2:32:21pm

re: #45 Political Atheist

WW-Obviously you watch this closely.
So how far out of whack are the dollars in the Heritage report thought to be?

Even Republican sources are saying they overcounted every possible cost into their figures and included none of the positive factors which would have led to savings or money earned into their calculations.

49 EPR-radar  Thu, May 9, 2013 2:32:41pm

re: #44 abolitionist

Edward R. Murrow —on a live broadcast of one of the HUAC hearings, I think.

Nope. Joseph Welch, Army McCarthy hearings. From Wikipedia:

Until this moment, Senator, I think I have never really gauged your cruelty or your recklessness. Fred Fisher is a young man who went to the Harvard Law School and came into my firm and is starting what looks to be a brilliant career with us. Little did I dream you could be so reckless and so cruel as to do an injury to that lad. It is true he is still with Hale and Dorr. It is true that he will continue to be with Hale and Dorr. It is, I regret to say, equally true that I fear he shall always bear a scar needlessly inflicted by you. If it were in my power to forgive you for your reckless cruelty I would do so. I like to think I am a gentle man but your forgiveness will have to come from someone other than me.

When McCarthy tried to renew his attack, Welch interrupted him:

Senator, may we not drop this? We know he belonged to the Lawyers Guild. Let us not assassinate this lad further, Senator. You’ve done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir? At long last, have you left no sense of decency?

McCarthy tried to ask Welch another question about Fisher, and Welch cut him off:

Mr. McCarthy, I will not discuss this further with you. You have sat within six feet of me and could have asked me about Fred Fisher. You have seen fit to bring it out. And if there is a God in Heaven it will do neither you nor your cause any good. I will not discuss it further.

50 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 9, 2013 2:32:56pm

Here’s an NPR financial analyst on whether immigration hurts or helps the economy. He does not think highly of the Heritage study (to put it mildly).

51 Political Atheist  Thu, May 9, 2013 2:37:07pm

re: #48 Kragar

Even Republican sources are saying they overcounted every possible cost into their figures and included none of the positive factors which would have led to savings or money earned into their calculations.

Wow. I’ve been on the road and busy, now playing catch up on this topic. you sure are right, maybe this is exactly what you saw.

As she notes, everyone from the Congressional Budget Office to the libertarian Cato Institute thinks the study is flawed. Cato went so far as to issue a lengthy pre-buttal to the report that cited nearly a dozen errors in a similar 2007 study by one of the report’s authors, Robert Rector.

52 Kragar  Thu, May 9, 2013 2:41:15pm

re: #51 Political Atheist

In short, the study claims that the average undocumented worker will live another 50 years, all while using public services like schools and roads, and collecting medical and other government benefits at a high, disproportionate cost to other taxpayers. But Republican critics have shot back that the study rolls up every conceivable cost associated with legalizing undocumented workers without also including the economic boost newly legal residents would bring — a process called “dynamic scoring.”

“The Congressional Budget Office has found that fixing our broken immigration system could help our economy grow,” House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan (R-Wisc.) told CQ Roll Call Monday in response to the study. “A proper accounting of immigration reform should take into account these dynamic effects.”

53 EPR-radar  Thu, May 9, 2013 2:42:05pm

re: #51 Political Atheist

Immigration is a tough issue for both parties. For the GOP, the split is between the base who wants to close the borders, and business interests that want open borders to drive labor costs down.

54 Bubblehead II  Thu, May 9, 2013 2:43:05pm

OT But a quick question for Charles. Would it cause problems if I log into LGF from 2 IP address at the same time (Home network, Dynamic IP)? I ask this as I am now running to 2 PCs and would like to split the CPU/Video load between the two.

55 Lidane  Thu, May 9, 2013 2:58:13pm

POTUS is on mah local TV again. This time he’s speaking at Applied Materials.

56 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, May 9, 2013 2:59:12pm

OT for astronomy geeks…annular eclipse of the sun is happening right now, visible in Australia and parts of South Pacific, but the rest of us can watch at SLOOH Space Camera

57 Bubblehead II  Thu, May 9, 2013 3:00:17pm

re: #56 Backwoods_Sleuth

OT for astronomy geeks…annular eclipse of the sun is happening right now, visible in Australia and parts of South Pacific, but the rest of us can watch at SLOOH Space Camera

Thanks for the reminder.

58 Tigger2005  Thu, May 9, 2013 3:02:14pm

“We believe these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal…”

What an infantile, abstract notion.

59 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, May 9, 2013 3:02:19pm

re: #57 Bubblehead II

Thanks for the reminder.

you’re welcome! For those on iPad, there’s a free ap at the iTunes store.

60 Lidane  Thu, May 9, 2013 3:02:33pm

OUTRAGE!

61 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, May 9, 2013 3:04:33pm

re: #58 Tigger2005

“We believe these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal…”

What an infantile, abstract notion.

“We hold these truths to be self evident, that all white, Christian men are created equal, Ronald Reagan is the greatest President ever and guns are the greatest blessing upon man from God in all history.”

- from the wingnut bill of rights

62 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 9, 2013 3:05:44pm

re: #54 Bubblehead II

You can only be logged in from one machine at a time.

63 Bubblehead II  Thu, May 9, 2013 3:06:48pm

re: #62 Charles Johnson

You can only be logged in from one machine at a time.

Thanks.

64 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 9, 2013 3:11:43pm

Jason Richwine has also written for the National Review, which makes him the third National Review author with white nationalist connections (in addition to John Derbyshire and Robert Weissberg): Jason Richwine Archive - National Review Online | National Review Online.

65 darthstar  Thu, May 9, 2013 3:15:26pm

So we have this new guy whose job is basically to organize developer stand-ups and planning sessions (a “scrum master”…hunt me down and shoot me if you ever hear of me saying I want such a position)…anyway, he IMs me to say he’s got nothing left to do for the rest of the day, and I say, “Go home. Say you’ve got personal shit to do and go…you don’t get paid by the hour.” Took him another twenty minutes to work up the nerve to go to the boss and do just that.

Seriously…some people. Just do good work and reclaim an hour here or there where you can. Staying until the magic number of 5:00pm for the sake of being there isn’t doing anyone any favors.

I should be a life coach or team mentor…wait! I didn’t meant that!

66 RadicalModerate  Thu, May 9, 2013 3:18:38pm

re: #3 Bulworth

“It’s a belief that you are part of an extended family,” he said. “You believe that you are part of something bigger than yourself, it’s an extended family, and you want to pursue the future health of this extended family. That is nationalism properly defined.”

He added: “Race is real. Race has consequences in the real world. Loving your race is healthy and normal. So if that is the definition of racism—which I would think of as nationalism, or you could say racialism—then yes, that is what I believe,” he said. “I think white people should love their history and love their ancestors. Operating on some kind of infantile, abstract notion of human equality is actually a very unusual and unhealthy way to view the world.”

So, lemme see if I got this straight…

Being a part of something bigger than myself, a member of an extended family is super great awesomesauce, but the notion of human equality is “unhealthy”?

There’s an actual definition to what he’s describing here
Kinism (wiki link)

Kinism is a worldview embraced primarily by some paleoconservatives and Christian Reconstructionists, who may subscribe to related views such as Neo-Calvinism, theonomy, postmillennialism, nationalism and protectionism, chivalry, patriarchy, courtship as a substitute for casual dating, “quiverfull” parenthood, homeschooling, agrarianism, distributism and Christian democracy, White separatism, or an exceptionally high view of Western civilization.[2][3] Some kinists were associated with the League of the South, one member stated “The non-white immigration invasion is the ‘Final Solution’ for the ‘white problem’ of the South, Whites face genocide. We believe the Kinism statement proposes a biblical solution for all races. If whites die out, the South will no longer exist.”[4] The works of Robert Lewis Dabney[2][5] and Rousas John Rushdoony[6][7][8] play a large role in the ideology of many kinists. Joel LeFevre, successor to Samuel T. Francis as editor of the Council of Conservative Citizens’ publication The Citizens Informer endorsed kinism and said “[V]ery simply, without some level of discrimination, no nation … can permanently exist at all.”[9] Kinists claim that a “homogeneous social structure” creates “trust” and “safety”, and that a “common race” is the foundation of a nation, and a “common religion is the foundation of a common moral code.”

Here’s the SPLC report on this particular breed of white nationalism:
splcenter.org

By the way, if you aren’t aware, Christian Reconstructionism (aka Dominionism) is the flavor of Christianity practiced by groups like the Family Research Council and American Family Association, and are heavily influential on Republican politics via their Values Voters Summit conferences.

67 Bubblehead II  Thu, May 9, 2013 3:19:11pm

re: #60 Lidane

OUTRAGE!

Knew this was going to happen. But, as pointed out in the linked article, mirror web sites outside the Country and outside of control of the U.S. Gov are up and running with ALL the files. Not to mention the people who downloaded them from the U.S. site and will now make them available through the various file sharing programs. The genie is out of the bottle.

68 EPR-radar  Thu, May 9, 2013 3:20:50pm

re: #64 Charles Johnson

How embarrassing for the NRO. They’ll probably take action in a week or so and dismiss Richwine.

Of course, there will be no serious thought given as to why such toxic crap thrives in parts of movement conservatism that don’t get a lot of attention…

69 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, May 9, 2013 3:22:18pm

re: #65 darthstar

So we have this new guy whose job is basically to organize developer stand-ups and planning sessions (a “scrum master”…hunt me down and shoot me if you ever hear of me saying I want such a position)…anyway, he IMs me to say he’s got nothing left to do for the rest of the day, and I say, “Go home. Say you’ve got personal shit to do and go…you don’t get paid by the hour.” Took him another twenty minutes to work up the nerve to go to the boss and do just that.

Seriously…some people. Just do good work and reclaim an hour here or there where you can. Staying until the magic number of 5:00pm for the sake of being there isn’t doing anyone any favors.

I should be a life coach or team mentor…wait! I didn’t meant that!

Heh. And interesting given the YouTube video bouncing around on FB from my friends (the sane ones.)

70 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, May 9, 2013 3:32:36pm

re: #9 freetoken

The comments over at that Yahoo article demonstrate well how deeply this stuff runs.

Never read the comments at Yahoo. NEVER!

You risk losing all faith in humanity reading the comments over at that sewer of human thought.

71 Gus  Thu, May 9, 2013 3:33:43pm

Richard Spencer? Seriously? That creep is from Alternative Right and Taki’s. He started Alternative Right with Peter Brimelow of Vdare. National Review’s John O’Sullivan was also on the board of directors of Vdare for many years. Who are they fucking kidding?

72 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, May 9, 2013 3:34:57pm

re: #14 Lidane

Because the irony of this Ayn Rand quote will never not be funny to me:

Broken clock and all of that.

Stop the racism so that we can all be selfish asshole individuals.

//

73 DodgerFan1988  Thu, May 9, 2013 3:35:10pm

Rush Limbaugh supports the theory that hispanics have low IQ’s.


Yet he claims liberals are playing the race card.
74 Lidane  Thu, May 9, 2013 3:37:04pm

re: #72 moderatelyradicalliberal

Stop the racism so that we can all be selfish asshole individuals.

//

No sarc tags needed. That was her central point. The rest of the essay basically says as much, IIRC.

75 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, May 9, 2013 3:39:41pm
“It’s a belief that you are part of an extended family,” he said. “You believe that you are part of something bigger than yourself, it’s an extended family, and you want to pursue the future health of this extended family.

The entire human race is an extended family idiot.

76 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, May 9, 2013 3:40:25pm

So when does somebody ask this guy of he believes that Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio have permanently low IQs.

77 Gus  Thu, May 9, 2013 3:41:02pm

re: #75 moderatelyradicalliberal

The entire human race is an extended family idiot.

Shades of Kinism. Remember how they “magically” showed up at CPAC?

78 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, May 9, 2013 3:41:49pm

re: #77 Gus

Shades of Kinism. Remember how they “magically” showed up at CPAC?

I’m getting real tired of these people.

79 Gus  Thu, May 9, 2013 3:44:06pm

re: #78 moderatelyradicalliberal

I’m getting real tired of these people.

Weird how they keep showing up aye. As if though by “coincidence.” Heritage was founded by that racist douche Paul Weyrich. Jospeh Coors, another founder, has a spotty record.

80 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, May 9, 2013 3:44:29pm

re: #74 Lidane

No sarc tags needed. That was her central point. The rest of the essay basically says as much, IIRC.

And yet…spend some time around Randroids and you will encounter the inevitable “racism is irrational, therefore that totally racist thing I just said can’t be racist…” formulation.

Objectivism : coherent, let alone objective, thought :: dead chicken with rationalism Sharpie’d on the side : rationalism

81 blueraven  Thu, May 9, 2013 3:45:08pm

OK this is rich…Dick fucking Cheney went to the House Republicans and urged them to convene a select committee and subpoena Clinton.

Balls, he haz them.

82 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, May 9, 2013 3:51:39pm

re: #79 Gus

Weird how they keep showing up aye. As if though by “coincidence.” Heritage was founded by that racist douche Paul Weyrich. Jospeh Coors, another founder, has a spotty record.

Yeah, you can find out who these people are with a simple internet search, but the people they work for never know that they are racists and bigots.

SHM

83 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, May 9, 2013 3:52:34pm

re: #80 The Ghost of a Flea

And yet…spend some time around Randroids and you will encounter the inevitable “racism is irrational, therefore that totally racist thing I just said can’t be racist…” formulation.

Objectivism : coherent, let alone objective, thought :: dead chicken with rationalism Sharpie’d on the side : rationalism

No True Scotsman and all of that.

84 EPR-radar  Thu, May 9, 2013 3:53:19pm

re: #79 Gus

Weird how they keep showing up aye. As if though by “coincidence.” Heritage was founded by that racist douche Paul Weyrich. Jospeh Coors, another founder, has a spotty record.

The cockroaches banished to relatively dark corners by WFB et al. are now creeping back into the light and trying to mainstream themselves. Pervasive and totally irrational hatred of liberals and Democrats (and especially of a black POTUS) by just about all US conservatives is a golden opportunity for the real stone-cold racists to come out and play.

85 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, May 9, 2013 3:54:11pm

re: #83 moderatelyradicalliberal

No True Scotsman and all of that.

Someday I’m going to have to get a parts manual for a Scotsman, and see why they have such precise specifications….

86 jaunte  Thu, May 9, 2013 3:54:38pm

re: #81 blueraven

OK this is rich…Dick fucking Cheney went to the House Republicans and urged them to convene a select committee and subpoena Clinton.

Balls, he haz them.

“Former vice president Dick Cheney slammed the Obama administration’s handling of the September 11th, 2012 attack on the U.S. diplomatic mission in Benghazi as ‘a failure of leadership,’ and claimed that during the Bush administration ‘on our watch, we were always ready on 9/11.”
nationalmemo.com

87 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, May 9, 2013 3:55:00pm

wow…Shades of Apollo 13. Col. Chris Hadfield on the Space Station has posted on FB:
“Station’s power relies on ammonia coolant. A few hours ago, we determined that the ammonia was leaking out of the Station and into space.
Between crew and experts on the ground, it appears to have been stabilized. Tomorrow we find out for certain.”

Hadfield FB post

88 Targetpractice  Thu, May 9, 2013 3:56:01pm

re: #86 jaunte

“Former vice president Dick Cheney slammed the Obama administration’s handling of the September 11th, 2012 attack on the U.S. diplomatic mission in Benghazi as ‘a failure of leadership,’ and claimed that during the Bush administration ‘on our watch, we were always ready on 9/11.”
nationalmemo.com

Except that one time when they weren’t…

89 makeitstop  Thu, May 9, 2013 3:56:21pm

re: #86 jaunte

“Former vice president Dick Cheney slammed the Obama administration’s handling of the September 11th, 2012 attack on the U.S. diplomatic mission in Benghazi as ‘a failure of leadership,’ and claimed that during the Bush administration ‘on our watch, we were always ready on 9/11.”
nationalmemo.com

Except when they were completely unprepared and got blindsided by terrorists in planes.

90 wrenchwench  Thu, May 9, 2013 3:57:20pm

More on Jason Richwine’s thesis:

[…]

On the question of IQ, he relies on a broad variety of research, from the American Psychological Association—to underscore the extent to which established measurements have found racial differences in intelligence—to the work of the late J. Philippe Rushton who argued that these differences were genetic in origin. He cites one article that deals with the differences of the “negroid brain.”

In trying to explain the IQ differential between races, Richwine borrows from Rushton, arguing that “the totality of the evidence suggests a genetic component to group differences in IQ.” He tries to hedge against accusations of racism by noting that you can’t blame “obvious biases in test construction and administration” for the differential. And he gives an example of what he means when he says one racial group is less intelligent than another. These differentials, he writes “places the average black at roughly the 16th percentile of the white IQ distribution.”

[…]

91 EPR-radar  Thu, May 9, 2013 3:59:21pm

re: #88 Targetpractice

Except that one time when they weren’t…

Even now, wingnut history revisionists are constructing narratives about how a (D) administration was caught flat footed on 9/11/01, after ignoring numerous prior warnings. This should hit the Texas State Board of Education in wingnut history books for public schools sometime in the next 10 years.

92 Decatur Deb  Thu, May 9, 2013 4:01:20pm

re: #86 jaunte

“Former vice president Dick Cheney slammed the Obama administration’s handling of the September 11th, 2012 attack on the U.S. diplomatic mission in Benghazi as ‘a failure of leadership,’ and claimed that during the Bush administration ‘on our watch, we were always ready on 9/11.”
nationalmemo.com

Cheney was ready hiding in a secure, undisclosed, location and the President would have been ready, but he couldn’t find a bookmark.

93 EPR-radar  Thu, May 9, 2013 4:01:41pm

re: #90 wrenchwench

About Rushton, let’s just note that Googling his ‘ideas’ is NSFW.

Par for the course, really, for scientific racists. There aren’t very many of them, and they do tend to be cranks.

94 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, May 9, 2013 4:05:15pm

re: #84 EPR-radar

The cockroaches banished to relatively dark corners by WFB et al. are now creeping back into the light and trying to mainstream themselves. Pervasive and totally irrational hatred of liberals and Democrats (and especially of a black POTUS) by just about all US conservatives is a golden opportunity for the real stone-cold racists to come out and play.

WFB didn’t banish them. He welcomed racists with open arms. In the beginning. See the first issue of National Review. That magazine has a long history of embracing white nationalists.

williamhogeland.wordpress.com

This rot as at the core and the very beginning of the conservative movement. It is not new.

95 blueraven  Thu, May 9, 2013 4:06:24pm

re: #86 jaunte

“Former vice president Dick Cheney slammed the Obama administration’s handling of the September 11th, 2012 attack on the U.S. diplomatic mission in Benghazi as ‘a failure of leadership,’ and claimed that during the Bush administration ‘on our watch, we were always ready on 9/11.”
nationalmemo.com

Yes and the Bush admin ignored congressional subpoenas claiming executive privilege.

Cheney has not always been so fond of congressional subpoenas. In fact, the Bush administration cited executive privilege and routinely denied requests for officials to appear before the legislative branch to testify during the U.S. attorney firing scandal. Cheney himself described the probe into whether the Bush administration’s firing of federal prosecutors was political as “a bit of a witch hunt.”

The Bush White House directed chief of staff Joshua Bolten, political director Karl Rove, former White House counsel Harriet Miers and former political director Sara Taylor all to ignore subpoenas from Congress. In 2008, a federal judge ruled that it was unconstitutional to do so.

And at the end of President George W. Bush’s tenure, the White House instructed top officials not to cooperate with any future congressional inquiries into alleged administration misdeeds.

huffingtonpost.com

96 wrenchwench  Thu, May 9, 2013 4:11:24pm

Richwine’s co-author of the Heritage report, Robert Rector, deserves some attention also.

[…]

Richwine’s co-author on the new report, Robert Rector, has also received criticism in the past about his claims regarding immigration. In 2006, Rector released a report at the Heritage Foundation that claimed that almost 200 million people would enter the U.S. over the course of 20 years if the McCain-Kennedy immigration reform bill then under consideration passed. Demographers quickly pointed out the absurdity of Rector’s claims. Two hundred million people is nearly the entire population of Mexico and Central America. Nevertheless, within 24 hours of the release of Rector’s report, the U.S. Senate passed an amendment to the bill to sharply limit guest worker programs. Rector has also pushed the claim that immigrants drive up welfare costs, something that many economists and scholars dispute. Regarding the current immigration reform bill, Rector admitted that he had not “examined the whole bill yet” but if it looks like previous bills, it will create “a massive influx of even more unskilled workers.”

He has another claim to fame as well:

Abstinence education

Rector is a proponent of abstinence education. His advocacy prompted the inclusion of school-program funding for the teaching of abstinence in the 1996 federal welfare reform law.[17] Rector has published research papers on this subject for The Heritage Foundation,[18] and he has quoted as an expert on abstinence education by numerous media outlets, including The New York Times.[19][20] In 1999, the Los Angeles Times called Rector the “architect of the abstinence-only movement.”[17]

Emphasis added in all cases.

97 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, May 9, 2013 4:12:40pm

re: #96 wrenchwench

Why do half of the Harvard grads sound like nimrods and cavemen?

98 wrenchwench  Thu, May 9, 2013 4:14:21pm

re: #94 moderatelyradicalliberal

WFB didn’t banish them. He welcomed racists with open arms. In the beginning. See the first issue of National Review. That magazine has a long history of embracing white nationalists.

williamhogeland.wordpress.com

This rot as at the core and the very beginning of the conservative movement. It is not new.

Not new, and not transitory. There’s money and power behind these ideologues.

99 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, May 9, 2013 4:15:03pm

re: #97 ProTARDISLiberal

Why do half of the Harvard grads sound like nimrods and cavemen?

Harvard was founded by Puritan ministers to train clergy. Puritans founded Yale and Dartmouth as well.

100 EPR-radar  Thu, May 9, 2013 4:19:05pm

re: #94 moderatelyradicalliberal

WFB didn’t banish them. He welcomed racists with open arms. In the beginning. See the first issue of National Review. That magazine has a long history of embracing white nationalists.

williamhogeland.wordpress.com

This rot as at the core and the very beginning of the conservative movement. It is not new.

I was not sufficiently clear. By “cockroaches”, I meant the extreme master race subset of racists, whose Nazi-type rhetoric was embarrassing after WWII. These are the ones crawling out from under rocks today.

Racism with a plausible veneer of deniability has always been OK at the National Review. Opposition to civil rights legislation was a given, and the only question was what kind of arguments would be used against it. WFB thought (probably correctly) that the KKK and neo-Nazi types cost more votes than they were worth.

101 klys  Thu, May 9, 2013 4:20:58pm

re: #97 ProTARDISLiberal

I would avoid generalizing to all Harvard grads (or even half of Harvard grads) on the basis of the ones that get involved in political issues. I’ve known a reasonable number and very few of them have been nimrods and cavemen. It’s more likely that it’s the same ratio as the rest of the human population.

102 darthstar  Thu, May 9, 2013 4:29:14pm

PSA: Never, never, NEVER wear a black and white zig-zag patterned jacket to a job interview…fuck, my eyes are still sore from trying to focus on the candidate…never mind the fact that she would have been a crappy fit with the team.

103 sattv4u2  Thu, May 9, 2013 4:32:39pm

re: #102 darthstar

PSA: Never, never, NEVER wear a black and white zig-zag patterned jacket to a job interview…fuck, my eyes are still sore from trying to focus on the candidate…never mind the fact that she would have been a crappy fit with the team.

Would have been real awkward if you had worn yours today also!!!
/

104 wrenchwench  Thu, May 9, 2013 4:34:10pm

re: #101 klys

I would avoid generalizing to all Harvard grads (or even half of Harvard grads) on the basis of the ones that get involved in political issues. I’ve known a reasonable number and very few of them have been nimrods and cavemen. It’s more likely that it’s the same ratio as the rest of the human population.

Generalizations are always bad.

105 klys  Thu, May 9, 2013 4:34:19pm

Oh man, it’s the time of year where we get to find out what monstrosities people have inflicted on their children!

I note my name doesn’t even appear in the top 500 this year.

106 sattv4u2  Thu, May 9, 2013 4:34:29pm

re: #104 wrenchwench

Generalizations are always bad.

nahh ,, NEVER!!!

107 klys  Thu, May 9, 2013 4:35:32pm

re: #104 wrenchwench

Generalizations are always bad.

Is that like 95% of statistics are made up on the spot?

//

108 wrenchwench  Thu, May 9, 2013 4:37:25pm

re: #105 klys

Oh man, it’s the time of year where we get to find out what monstrosities people have inflicted on their children!

I note my name doesn’t even appear in the top 500 this year.

Is ‘klys’ your actual name?

109 sauceruney  Thu, May 9, 2013 4:37:37pm

It’s getting to where I can’t tell the difference between a Republican and Charles Manson.

110 klys  Thu, May 9, 2013 4:38:34pm

re: #108 wrenchwench

Is ‘klys’ your actual name?

Hehe, nope. Although a variation of it appears on my high school class ring (it’s a nickname that goes a ways back).

I have a good old traditional name. Typically found attached to people in the 45+ crowd these days.

111 abolitionist  Thu, May 9, 2013 4:41:33pm

re: #109 sauceruney

It’s getting to where I can’t tell the difference between a Republican and Charles Manson.

Charles Manson is in prison. /glad to help

112 EPR-radar  Thu, May 9, 2013 4:43:08pm

re: #109 sauceruney

It’s getting to where I can’t tell the difference between a Republican and Charles Manson.

Manson is mostly harmless these days, unlike the Republicans.

113 sattv4u2  Thu, May 9, 2013 4:43:08pm

re: #111 abolitionist

Charles Manson is in prison. /glad to help

I dunno

There are (and have been) lots of repub (as well as dem) politicians in prison , so,,,, what else ya got ??
/

114 klys  Thu, May 9, 2013 4:43:14pm

re: #110 klys

Having more fun with the tools, I see my name was last in the top 10 in 1965 and spent 6 years at the #1 position during the height of the baby boom.

Which is probably why I’ve met a grand total of one other person in my age group with my name in 20+ years, but a ton of baby boomers.

115 wrenchwench  Thu, May 9, 2013 4:43:59pm
116 Romantic Heretic  Thu, May 9, 2013 4:45:39pm

re: #104 wrenchwench

Generalizations are always bad.

But it’s easier than thinking.

117 BigPapa  Thu, May 9, 2013 4:46:22pm

re: #109 sauceruney

It’s getting to where I can’t tell the difference between a Republican and Charles Manson.

I’ve never seen Manson in a Lacoste polo.

118 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, May 9, 2013 4:48:37pm

re: #114 klys

Mine was in the 120s.

It’s fallen in popularity in the last 20 years.

One name I had in mind for the future last appeared in the Top 1000 in 1938. :/

119 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, May 9, 2013 4:50:23pm

re: #118 ProTARDISLiberal

And the highest it ever got was in 1917, at 393rd place.

120 Bubblehead II  Thu, May 9, 2013 4:51:57pm

You now, that if you engage in an high risk sport, you are going to eventually get hurt or die. Yes, you have (maybe) Insurances to pay for your care if
things go wrong. But do they pay for rescue/recovery effort? Probably not.

Second Base Jumper Injured At Perrine Bridge

121 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 9, 2013 4:52:15pm

Here is a snapshot of the UTTER FUCKING RETARDED DEMENTIA OF WINGNUTS

122 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, May 9, 2013 4:55:16pm

Oh shit, check your bank accounts!

123 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, May 9, 2013 5:06:56pm

re: #122 NJDhockeyfan

Oh shit, check your bank accounts!

Prepaid debit cards. Only the banksters got ripped off - which means they’ll never stop hunting them down… ;)

124 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 9, 2013 5:07:55pm

DERP

125 EPR-radar  Thu, May 9, 2013 5:08:50pm

re: #123 William Barnett-Lewis

Prepaid debit cards. Only the banksters got ripped off - which means they’ll never stop hunting them down… ;)

One of the crooks was apparently recently found dead, so that’s one less for the banker’s list.

126 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 9, 2013 5:09:47pm

Michelle “FDR was totally right to throw the Japanese in camps!” Malkin is having a spectacular Derpdown over this racist assclown who is her bestest BFF.

127 Targetpractice  Thu, May 9, 2013 5:10:27pm

re: #125 EPR-radar

One of the crooks was apparently recently found dead, so that’s one less for the banker’s list.

No honor among thieves.

128 sattv4u2  Thu, May 9, 2013 5:13:13pm

re: #125 EPR-radar

One of the crooks was apparently recently found dead, so that’s one less for the banker’s list to divey up the spoils .

ftfy

129 wrenchwench  Thu, May 9, 2013 5:14:30pm

re: #124 Vicious Babushka

DERP

From her derp:

Both Democrats and Republicans leaped to discredit the 102-page [Rector/Richwine] report without bothering to read it.

That’s funny, because the report was written without bothering to read the whole bill that it was about.

Nice of her to point out who it was at Harvard that supervised the racist thesis.

130 EPR-radar  Thu, May 9, 2013 5:16:12pm

re: #126 Vicious Babushka

Michelle “FDR was totally right to throw the Japanese in camps!” Malkin is having a spectacular Derpdown over this racist assclown who is her bestest BFF.

Scientific racism is 10 pounds of stupid in a five pound bag. This means it fits in well with other canonical elements of wingnut theology (e.g., tax cuts always increase revenue, all regulations are bad etc.).

It will be interesting to see if its proponents can actually get this mainstreamed within the GOP. How the intra-GOP immigration battle pays out will probably be decisive here.

131 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, May 9, 2013 5:23:42pm

Oh hey, the MB aligned militias are attacking the Government HQ in Tripoli.

Libya, if you need help, just ask.

132 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, May 9, 2013 5:27:00pm

re: #131 ProTARDISLiberal

I think we need to cut off Military Aid to Egypt.

I have to imagine that the MB is hijacking some of that money to help their friends in Libya.

Edit: Instead, this money should be going to Libya for them to build up a new military, and for security ops there.

We need to offer help to Libya.

133 lawhawk  Thu, May 9, 2013 5:29:46pm

re: #126 Vicious Babushka

Michelle “FDR was totally right to throw the Japanese in camps!” Malkin is having a spectacular Derpdown over this racist assclown who is her bestest BFF.

Well, she’s an expert on defending the indefensible. No reach there.

134 wrenchwench  Thu, May 9, 2013 5:30:47pm

re: #130 EPR-radar

Scientific racism is 10 pounds of stupid in a five pound bag. This means it fits in well with other canonical elements of wingnut theology (e.g., tax cuts always increase revenue, all regulations are bad etc.).

It will be interesting to see if its proponents can actually get this mainstreamed within the GOP. How the intra-GOP immigration battle pays out will probably be decisive here.

It is mainstreamed within the GOP. Romney’s adviser on immigration was Kris Kobach. You don’t get more GOP-mainstream than that.

135 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, May 9, 2013 5:30:53pm

And Twitter just shat itself and died.

Get some damn better servers Twitter.

136 EPR-radar  Thu, May 9, 2013 5:31:24pm

re: #133 lawhawk

Well, she’s an expert on defending the indefensible. No reach there.

Some wingnuts are already flirting with defending US slavery. Malkin probably has that essay penciled in for some time in 2015.

137 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 9, 2013 5:34:15pm

Big news!

You can now use double quotes in your titles and subtitles for LGF Pages!

Huge!

Previously, they would get converted to single quotes for a reason I won’t bore you with.

138 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 9, 2013 5:35:55pm

re: #124 Vicious Babushka

Notice she doesn’t mention his articles for Richard Spencer and Alternative Right.

Michelle Malkin is a long-time associate of VDARE founder Peter Brimelow. She’s the perfect person to stick up for white nationalists.

139 Bubblehead II  Thu, May 9, 2013 5:36:50pm

Night lizards the Rule* is now”

Sleepwel

140 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, May 9, 2013 5:40:06pm

I am seeing way too many fanboys whining about Clara upstaging/forcing out/replacing River Song in Doctor Who.

Honestly, during the hiatus, I grew to hate River. A lot.

141 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, May 9, 2013 5:41:26pm

“oh Lord, not the livestock!”

:)

“O’Brother Where Art Thou” is on. IFC.

142 wrenchwench  Thu, May 9, 2013 5:42:03pm

Malkin mentioned three members of Richwine’s dissertation committee, George Borjas (mentioned here), Christopher Jencks, and Richard Zeckhauser. Here is Christopher Jencks’s review of Richard Zeckhauser’s latest book:

“Conservatives will hate this book for assuming that well-designed social programs are an essential part of a humane society. Liberals will hate it for assuming that the needy often bring their troubles on themselves and would behave better if the government stopped subsidizing such behavior. But if, perchance, you want to make the American welfare state either more affordable or more politically palatable to a suspicious public, you should read this book, ponder it, and give it to a friend.”

I don’t think ‘scientific racism’ is as rare as others seem to think.

143 lawhawk  Thu, May 9, 2013 5:44:40pm

re: #140 ProTARDISLiberal

Really? All the Whovians I know are intrigued by Clara, and know that River’s going to be back later this season. We might learn that Clara is River’s daughter, or some other time traveling progeny from an earlier era that has finally crossed paths with the 11th Doctor. Or something else entirely.

I do have to say that last week’s episode was quite entertaining. Watching Strax, Vastra, and Jenny in action was a hoot. Watching Jenny kick ass and save the Doctor was awesome, even with the Doctor taking his appreciation a wee bit far (considering Jenny’s relationship with Vastra).

144 wrenchwench  Thu, May 9, 2013 5:45:19pm

re: #137 Charles Johnson

Big news!

You can now use double quotes in your titles and subtitles for LGF Pages!

Huge!

Previously, they would get converted to single quotes for a reason I won’t bore you with.

Can I use a double space after a period?

/

145 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 9, 2013 5:49:57pm

re: #144 wrenchwench

Can I use a double space after a period?

/

Yup! But browsers refuse to show more than one space in a row, so resistance is futile.

146 lawhawk  Thu, May 9, 2013 5:52:37pm

re: #144 wrenchwench

You may binge on the spacing, but be assured that they’ll be purged. Ruthlessly.

147 jaunte  Thu, May 9, 2013 5:52:38pm

” . “

148 jaunte  Thu, May 9, 2013 5:53:18pm

Not sure if Didot or Baskerville.

149 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 9, 2013 5:53:23pm

The wingnuts, in their own little bizarro universe, keep insisting there was a “cover up.” WHAT EXACTLY WAS COVERED UP?

They would like to forget about the impeachment and get straight to the lynchin’

150 122 Year Old Obama  Thu, May 9, 2013 5:55:44pm

re: #149 Vicious Babushka

Being president while black.

151 jaunte  Thu, May 9, 2013 5:56:42pm

re: #149 Vicious Babushka

Fort Marcy Park!

152 GeneJockey  Thu, May 9, 2013 5:57:38pm

re: #149 Vicious Babushka

The wingnuts, in their own little bizarro universe, keep insisting there was a “cover up.” WHAT EXACTLY WAS COVERED UP?

We can’t tell, because of the coverup!

153 danarchy  Thu, May 9, 2013 5:59:01pm

re: #145 Charles Johnson

Yup! But browsers refuse to show more than one space in a row, so resistance is futile.

I.    MUST.    RESIST!

154 jaunte  Thu, May 9, 2013 5:59:07pm

Ted Cruz, Senaderp:

155 GeneJockey  Thu, May 9, 2013 5:59:10pm

re: #141 Feline Fearless Leader

“Cow killer!!”

156 darthstar  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:01:20pm

Okay…so that explains the tweet I saw asking Donald Trump what he thought about the Heritage study that said he was Hispanic.

157 GeneJockey  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:01:25pm

re: #149 Vicious Babushka

They would like to forget about the impeachment and get straight to the lynchin’

Well, yeah. Impeachment requires an actual charge, and evidence and shit. Lynching requires only a rope and an angry mob.

158 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:01:40pm

re: #143 lawhawk

Thank God Vastra wasn’t there, or the Doctor would have been slapped twice in one episode.

I’m hoping the Season Finale has her get the Sonic Screwdriver from the “Silence in the Library” episode, so she’s gone.

What galls me about her is this:

After the Weeping Angels "kill" Amy and Rory, She and the Doctor go off again. She then says that she will not be staying along with Doctor, and he goes off alone. When we see him in "The Snowman," he has become a bitter old man. If you truly love and care for someone, you stay with after a horrible event to comfort them. She did none of that. In addition, that slap she gave to the Doctor after he healed her in the same episode as Amy and Rory’s departure was just tacky.

Also, you have the smug factor there, that she (acts like she) knows more than the Doctor, and yet is never really shown to be the equal of the Doctor, as he ends up being the primary problem solver in all episodes she appears in except the first one, and "Angels Take Manhattan," where Rory and Amy were the main heroes.

Clara maybe a Normal Lady, but she is much more an equal to the Doctor than River. And more caring and compassionate too. "Rings of Akhaten" and "Hide" are the biggest examples.

159 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:02:05pm

re: #153 danarchy

I.    MUST.    RESIST!

Those only look like spaces.

160 palomino  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:05:28pm

re: #154 jaunte

Ted Cruz, Senaderp:

Except:

1) Private sector jobs on the rise, albeit modestly…this was the biggest economic crisis in nearly 100 years after all.

2) Deficit shrinking significantly. If we have a nearly balanced budget by 2016, which new projections suggest, much of the rationale for electing a GOPer disappears.

Thus, guns, gays and Benghazi are most of the GOP’s focus these days.

Except for the dead enders like Ted Cruz, who just can’t be more proud of TX and all its minimum wage job creators. And who, through years of ideological conditioning, repeat their slogans regardless of facts on the ground.

161 EPR-radar  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:06:50pm

re: #157 GeneJockey

Well, yeah. Impeachment requires an actual charge, and evidence and shit. Lynching requires only a rope and an angry mob.

Not quite. Impeachment requires a majority in the House. Conviction needs 2/3 in the Senate (which is the sticking point for the GOP).

Actual charges, evidence, etc. are all as relevant as Congress wants them to be. If the GOP had 2/3 in the Senate, Obama would be long gone on some trumped up charge.

162 PT Barnum  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:08:43pm

Evenin’ lizards

163 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:10:00pm

re: #158 ProTARDISLiberal

I hate being abandoned, and when Angels in Manhattan came out, I was in a very dark place emotionally. Seeing River leave the Doctor at his biggest time of need made me angry, largely because it hit so close to home. I needed support from friends, and no one really gave a damn enough to help.

The only reason I am any better now is that I have essentially given up on not being lonely, and have just became cold bitter after damn near everyone leaving, and the remaining ones being unable to help in any huge way. People suck. End of story.

164 BigPapa  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:10:20pm

Holy moly. I forgot how much I love Honolulu.

Almost as much as I love leaving Honolulu.

165 PT Barnum  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:14:00pm

re: #157 GeneJockey

Well, yeah. Impeachment requires an actual charge, and evidence and shit. Lynching requires only a rope and an angry mob.

re: #163 ProTARDISLiberal

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we still love you..

166 PT Barnum  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:15:15pm

re: #163 ProTARDISLiberal

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That’s not meant to be snarky..I know what it’s like to be lonely, I think most people do. The tough part is not letting yourself lose hope to the point that you give up entirely.

167 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:15:52pm

Rachel Maddow is all over the Jason Richwine story tonight. Good. This shit NEEDS to be exposed.

168 darthstar  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:16:44pm

re: #167 Charles Johnson

Rachel Maddow is all over the Jason Richwine story tonight. Good. This shit NEEDS to be exposed.

She just spent fifteen minutes eviscerating Heritage over this asshole. Brilliant.

169 PT Barnum  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:16:58pm

re: #154 jaunte

Ted Cruz, Senaderp:

The thing is that somewhere, some wingnut is laughing uproariously, saying “Thet’s a good’un right thare! He shore told that mooslim soshulist!”

Jesus I’m tired of dumbfucks who don’t have a clue what dumbfucks they are.

170 PT Barnum  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:18:00pm

re: #168 darthstar

She just spent fifteen minutes eviscerating Heritage over this asshole. Brilliant.

What scares me is that there are any number of these types in GOP circles and they cannot bring themselves to condemn them outright.

171 EPR-radar  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:19:02pm

re: #170 PT Barnum

What scares me is that there are any number of these types in GOP circles and they cannot bring themselves to condemn them outright.

Tribal loyalty used to excuse stone cold racism. I have a hard time being polite when I see that in action.

172 BigPapa  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:20:21pm

Representative Steve King, Republican of Iowa, is not on the oversight committee, but he does have a strong opinion about Benghazi. “If you link Watergate and Iran-Contra together and multiply it times maybe 10 or so, you’re going to get in the zone where Benghazi is,” he has said.
Not everybody agrees.

173 PT Barnum  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:21:45pm

re: #171 EPR-radar

Tribal loyalty used to excuse stone cold racism. I have a hard time being polite when I see that in action.

I don’t have a problem being polite, I just tell the person I don’t want to be around them ever again until they learn to be a decent human being. Dropped a close friend of over 20 years for that kind of crap. He just totally lost his shit when Obama got elected, I haven’t spoken to him in 5 years.

174 BigPapa  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:21:57pm

Racialism or scientific racism is nothing more than putting a benign sheen upon the ugly and corrupt concepts of racism.

175 PT Barnum  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:22:15pm

re: #172 BigPapa

Representative Steve King, Republican of Iowa, is not on the oversight committee, but he does have a strong opinion about Benghazi. “If you link Watergate and Iran-Contra together and multiply it times maybe 10 or so, you’re going to get in the zone where Benghazi is,” he has said.
Not everybody agrees.

Steve King is my congressman. The derp is strong with this one.

176 EPR-radar  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:23:12pm

re: #172 BigPapa

Representative Steve King, Republican of Iowa, is not on the oversight committee, but he does have a strong opinion about Benghazi. “If you link Watergate and Iran-Contra together and multiply it times maybe 10 or so, you’re going to get in the zone where Benghazi is,” he has said.
Not everybody agrees.

He forgot to mention the super-secret derp factors he uses for his math:

Republican scandal gets multiplied by 0.0000001.

Democratic incident gets promoted to scandal, then multiplied by 1,000,000.

177 PT Barnum  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:24:14pm

re: #172 BigPapa

Representative Steve King, Republican of Iowa, is not on the oversight committee, but he does have a strong opinion about Benghazi. “If you link Watergate and Iran-Contra together and multiply it times maybe 10 or so, you’re going to get in the zone where Benghazi is,” he has said.
Not everybody agrees.

If you take a complete moron, lobotomize him, feed him a pound of LSD and a 3 quart a day drinking habit, you still won’t be in the zone of cognitive deficit that is Steve King.

178 EPR-radar  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:24:48pm

re: #175 PT Barnum

Steve King is my congressman. The derp is strong with this one.

My condolences. Not only is King your Representative, but you are surrounded by those who vote for him.

179 jaunte  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:24:49pm

re: #172 BigPapa

“If you link Watergate and Iran-Contra together and multiply it times maybe 10 or so, you’re going to get in the zone where Benghazi is,” he has said.

I hope someone remembers to ask him about his powers of prediction when this feeble mini-scandaloid finally fizzles out.

180 Iwouldprefernotto  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:25:05pm

re: #177 PT Barnum

If you take a complete moron, lobotomize him, feed him a pound of LSD and a 3 quart a day drinking habit, you still won’t be in the zone of cognitive deficit that is Steve King.

Please tell me you didn’t perform this experiment at home.

181 PT Barnum  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:26:02pm

re: #178 EPR-radar

My condolences. Not only is King your Representative, but you are surrounded by those who vote for him.

Actually his strong hold is the western half of the state which is also where Bob VanderPutz the rampant Homophobic scumbag leader of the Family Leader comes from.

182 Decatur Deb  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:26:19pm

re: #180 Iwouldprefernotto

Please tell me you didn’t perform this experiment at home.


“It’s OK—he’s what we call an…expert.”

183 PT Barnum  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:26:44pm

re: #180 Iwouldprefernotto

Please tell me you didn’t perform this experiment at home.

Didn’t need to, most of the Republican voters here are already at that level.

184 PT Barnum  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:27:59pm

re: #180 Iwouldprefernotto

Please tell me you didn’t perform this experiment at home.

I would have but I didn’t have any LSD and my icepick got taken away after the experiment that created Sarah Palin.

185 EPR-radar  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:28:06pm

re: #183 PT Barnum

Didn’t need to, most of the Republican voters here are already at that level.

King is probably relatively bright, compared to those who vote for him.

186 PT Barnum  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:29:03pm

re: #179 jaunte

I hope someone remembers to ask him about his powers of prediction when this feeble mini-scandaloid finally fizzles out.

With all the completely wrong predictions these people had about the first term, why do they still have any credibility at all?

187 BigPapa  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:29:10pm

re: #177 PT Barnum

If you take a complete moron, lobotomize him, feed him a pound of LSD and a 3 quart a day drinking habit, you still won’t be in the zone of cognitive deficit that is Steve King.

I little understated, no? You forgot the 3 months in the desert with nothing but peyote and a copy of Atlas Shrugs.

188 PT Barnum  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:29:20pm

re: #185 EPR-radar

King is probably relatively bright, compared to those who vote for him.

um…no

189 PT Barnum  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:30:04pm

re: #187 BigPapa

I little understated, no? You forgot the 3 months in the desert with nothing but peyote and a copy of Atlas Shrugs.

ACtually it’s worse than that, it’s 6 months in the desert and nothing but “The Bridges of Madison County”

190 Targetpractice  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:33:17pm

re: #189 PT Barnum

ACtually it’s worse than that, it’s 6 months in the desert and nothing but “The Bridges of Madison County”

I’m pretty sure that violates one section or another of the Geneva Conventions on the treatment of prisoners of war.

//

191 BigPapa  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:33:17pm

Witness says he was demoted after questioning Obama story

Hm. If an employee started babbling like he was listening to Beck every day at break a demotion would be kind. Especially in a public service role where partisan politics are not supposed to be practiced.

192 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:33:37pm

re: #154 jaunte

Ted Cruz, Senaderp:

193 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:33:59pm

re: #17 EPR-radar

A fine example of a blind squirrel effectively finding the acorn. Thanks for posting it.

Not really. For all Ayn Rands many faults, her idea of rationality )from which grew the deeply problematic Objectivism) required racism being regarded as the intensely irrational thing that it is. So in her opposition to racism, Rand was simply being true to her convictions, flawed though those convictions were.

194 Targetpractice  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:34:16pm

re: #191 BigPapa

Witness says he was demoted after questioning Obama story

Hm. If an employee started babbling like he was listening to Beck every day at break a demotion would be kind. Especially in a public service role where partisan politics are not supposed to be practiced.

Sounds like the usual axe to grind. “They demoted me because I knew too much!”

195 Kragar  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:35:02pm

re: #189 PT Barnum

ACtually it’s worse than that, it’s 6 months in the desert and nothing but “The Bridges of Madison County”

A year in the outback with a copy of “The Wit and Wisdom of Bryan Fischer.”

196 PT Barnum  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:35:26pm

re: #191 BigPapa

Witness says he was demoted after questioning Obama story

Hm. If an employee started babbling like he was listening to Beck every day at break a demotion would be kind. Especially in a public service role where partisan politics are not supposed to be practiced.

Except he didn’t get demoted, he left his post early and was reassigned to a different role at the same pay.

197 PT Barnum  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:37:12pm

re: #193 Dark_Falcon

Not really. For all Ayn Rands many faults, her idea of rationality )from which grew the deeply problematic Objectivism) required racism being regarded as the intensely irrational thing that it is. So in her opposition to racism, Rand was simply being true to her convictions, flawed though those convictions were.

I think there needs to be a an ad run repeatedly during the next election connecting Ayn Rand and objectivism to the Church of Satan. As was posted on a page earlier, Ayn Rand was Anton La Vey’s major influence.

198 engineer cat  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:37:26pm

heretical perspectives

PENITENTIA AGITE!!!

199 PT Barnum  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:38:48pm

re: #195 Kragar

A year in the outback with a copy of “The Wit and Wisdom of Bryan Fischer.”

Or the collected concerts of Florence Foster Jenkins

200 EPR-radar  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:39:48pm

re: #193 Dark_Falcon

Not really. For all Ayn Rands many faults, her idea of rationality )from which grew the deeply problematic Objectivism) required racism being regarded as the intensely irrational thing that it is. So in her opposition to racism, Rand was simply being true to her convictions, flawed though those convictions were.

I don’t think that self-identification as being a rational thinker necessarily leads to rejection of racism. After all, many racists work diligently to come up with various rationalizations to support it.

So I’ll give her independent credit for being against racism.

201 PT Barnum  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:41:25pm

Son is freaking out because the Lhaso sneezed in his face. “Dog snot!”
I swear my kid is the most anxious child in the world.

202 Iwouldprefernotto  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:41:59pm

re: #200 EPR-radar

I don’t think that self-identification as being a rational thinker necessarily leads to rejection of racism. After all, many racists work diligently to come up with various rationalizations to support it.

So I’ll give her independent credit for being against racism.

She was also pro choice.

203 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:42:45pm

re: #200 EPR-radar

I don’t think that self-identification as being a rational thinker necessarily leads to rejection of racism. After all, many racists work diligently to come up with various rationalizations to support it.

So I’ll give her independent credit for being against racism.

That’s fair. It would still uphold the main point: That Rand saw the irrationality that permeates any and all racism.

An example of how a way of thinking (Objectivism) can be deeply flawed, but still have some redeeming features.

204 klys  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:43:06pm

re: #163 ProTARDISLiberal

The reply is for PLL; don’t mind others reading but I’m going to abuse the spoiler tag so folks who don’t want to see it can skip it with no harm done.

I know you hear it a lot, but find someone to talk to IRL. Preferably a religious figure or a therapist. I don’t discount the value of online relationships - I’ve made a lot of friends that way, hell, I met my husband that way - but they don’t replace being with and talking to people face to face. For all my interaction with folks online, I miss being able to spend time with my friends face to face.

There are a lot of times we make decisions because we feel like there’s no way things are going to get better, or it’s just inherently something wrong with us, or whatever, and that’s not true. I absolutely don’t want to make assumptions about anything, but there are a number of very insidious ways that things like depression can sneak up on us, even when we think we’re aware and watching for it. Trust me, I know. It definitely sounds like you have a lot of stressful things going on and that can be a trigger for a lot of people.

You aren’t alone. However, there are times you need to be the person to reach out to get help, because no one else can do it for you. My bet is this is one of those times.

205 EPR-radar  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:43:31pm

re: #202 Iwouldprefernotto

She was also pro choice.

And an atheist. Both facts are politely ignored by the wingnuts that want to incorporate Objectivism into their world view.

206 engineer cat  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:44:18pm

according to the biopic ‘the passion of ayn rand’, she was also quite the libertine for her time

207 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:44:30pm

DERP

208 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:44:45pm

re: #202 Iwouldprefernotto

She was also pro choice.

The “RAND!!1” that many people think they know actually bears only a partial resemblance to the real Ayn Rand. That’s true for many historical figures, and is a good example of the need for rigorous historical scholarship.

209 PT Barnum  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:45:34pm

re: #207 Vicious Babushka

DERP

Jesus I want to put a ball gag in her pie hole and leave it there forever. She makes me incredibly angry.

210 BigPapa  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:45:39pm

re: #207 Vicious Babushka

I didn’t know Richwine’s ‘dissertation’ was actually scientific. Did he subject it for peer review?

211 jamesfirecat  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:45:51pm

re: #202 Iwouldprefernotto

She was also pro choice.

She also could not justify the government taking any actions against homosexuals even though she found them personally wrong which is a lot more than most of her “followers” would be willing to go along with.

212 klys  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:46:10pm

re: #207 Vicious Babushka

Anne, dear, I don’t think you understand how little science - as the rest of us recognize the word - is actually in that report. Or dissertation.

It makes me want to take my dissertation and beat some actual science into a few heads.

213 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:46:34pm

re: #210 BigPapa

I didn’t know Richwine’s ‘dissertation’ was actually scientific. Did he subject it for peer review?

His peers are other racists, so probably.

214 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:46:48pm

DERP DERP

215 goddamnedfrank  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:47:16pm

re: #203 Dark_Falcon

An example of how a way of thinking (Objectivism) can be deeply flawed, but still have some redeeming features.

Interestingly this is the one area where the Ven diagrams of Objectivism and Jim Jones’ Peoples Temple overlap.

216 PT Barnum  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:47:17pm

re: #209 PT Barnum

Jesus I want to put a ball gag in her pie hole and leave it there forever. She makes me incredibly angry.

By the way, if that was over the top, please let me know and I’ll ask Charles to delete it.

217 EPR-radar  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:47:43pm

re: #210 BigPapa

I didn’t know Richwine’s ‘dissertation’ was actually scientific. Did he subject it for peer review?

AFAIK, very few dissertations are published and go thorough anonymous peer review. No evidence that this dissertation was published.

The professors on the thesis committee need to sign off on it for the student to graduate.

218 Kragar  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:48:13pm

re: #214 Vicious Babushka

DERP DERP

SCIENCE!11!1!!!

What a twit.

219 bratwurst  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:48:42pm

re: #208 Dark_Falcon

The “RAND!!1” that many people think they know actually bears only a partial resemblance to the real Ayn Rand.

PAGING PAUL RYAN…PAUL RYAN…PLEASE PICK UP THE CLUE PHONE.

220 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:48:42pm

re: #217 EPR-radar

AFAIK, very few dissertations are published and go thorough anonymous peer review. No evidence that this dissertation was published.

The professors on the thesis committee need to sign off on it for the student to graduate.

They probably ran it through a plagiarism detector and signed off when it proved “original.”

221 PT Barnum  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:48:53pm

re: #217 EPR-radar

AFAIK, very few dissertations are published and go thorough anonymous peer review. No evidence that this dissertation was published.

The professors on the thesis committee need to sign off on it for the student to graduate.

If they signed off on it, they need to be called out.

222 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:48:58pm

re: #218 Kragar

SCIENCE!11!1!!!

What a twit.

You misspelled twat.

223 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:49:34pm

re: #167 Charles Johnson

Rachel Maddow is all over the Jason Richwine story tonight. Good. This shit NEEDS to be exposed.

Center for American Progress Ackbar!

224 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:49:37pm

re: #209 PT Barnum

Jesus I want to put a ball gag in her pie hole and leave it there forever. She makes me incredibly angry.

I’m thinking a good title for Ann Coulter would be “Hate Slut”. Because she spews her venom for money, taking care to be inflammatory in order to increase her cash flow, regardless of the facts.

Moreso than anything sex-related, that strikes me as intensely slutty, and I also think it fits in that Coulter badly needs to be shamed.

225 klys  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:49:59pm

re: #213 Vicious Babushka

His peers are other racists, so probably.

Well, there’s a difference between peer review and review by one’s reading committee.

Peer review is supposed to be blind, and while you can make recommendations on reviewers who know something about your target field, the editor of the journal is supposed to select the actual reviewers. If they are a good editor, and the topic is controversial, they should ideally select one of the people likely to be critical of the paper.

Review by a reading committee is just supposed to establish that the work presented meets the criteria set forward by the university in terms of scholarly research, etc., and the readers are chosen by the student in accordance with the university guidelines (generally must be a member of the Academic Council (read: tenure or tenure-track) or file paperwork explaining why they need to be on the committee).

Now, it’s possible to have a dissertation made up of papers that have gone through peer review (that’s what mine is, affectionately known as a staple thesis), but they are different things.

For those who have never had to do this kind of shit. :)

226 PT Barnum  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:50:29pm

re: #224 Dark_Falcon

I’m thinking a good title for Ann Coulter would be “Hate Slut”. Because she spews her venom for money, taking care to be inflammatory in order to increase her cash flow, regardless of the facts.

Moreso than anything sex-related, that strikes me as intensely slutty, and I also think it fits in that Coulter badly needs to be shamed.

Oh yes, the spankings and then the oral sex. Bad Zoot!

227 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:50:32pm

Corn Pone Uber Alles!

228 Kragar  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:51:05pm

re: #222 Vicious Babushka

You misspelled twat.

What a silly bunt.
/monty python mode

229 BigPapa  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:51:43pm

re: #217 EPR-radar

AFAIK, very few dissertations are published and go thorough anonymous peer review. No evidence that this dissertation was published.

The professors on the thesis committee need to sign off on it for the student to graduate.

Oh, so he’d not a FUCKING SCIENTIST then? Just a VERY SCIENCY SCIENTIFICALIST writing of smart sciency stuff?

230 klys  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:51:52pm

re: #217 EPR-radar

AFAIK, very few dissertations are published and go thorough anonymous peer review. No evidence that this dissertation was published.

The professors on the thesis committee need to sign off on it for the student to graduate.

It depends strongly on the field. In science, a lot of the theses are based on published work, if not directly copied and pasted from papers published.

231 klys  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:52:18pm

re: #229 BigPapa

Oh, so he’d not a FUCKING SCIENTIST then? Just a VERY SCIENCY SCIENTIFICALIST writing of smart sciency stuff?

There’s a reason I want to take my dissertation and beat him things with it.

232 Single-handed sailor  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:52:37pm

re: #224 Dark_Falcon

Point of order. Whores take money, sluts give it away free.

233 PT Barnum  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:52:50pm

re: #230 klys

It depends strongly on the field. In science, a lot of the theses are based on published work, if not directly copied and pasted from papers published.

Does Stunning Science Stories in Outer Spacey stuff Count?

234 Gus  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:52:52pm

re: #207 Vicious Babushka

DERP

Does she mean low IQ like all those great thinkers from the hills of Appalachia? //

235 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:53:15pm

re: #223 Killgore Trout

I’ll take the Center for American Progress any day over VDARE. Apparently you feel differently.

236 Kragar  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:53:45pm

Minnesota lawmaker and minister: Marriage equality foes always cite the Bible

“Not too long ago, I probably would have voted ‘no’ on this bill, but in the past there have been a couple of things that changed my mind on this,” Faust, a Lutheran minister, said on the House floor. “The first one is, in the last ten years I’ve had conversations with hundreds — and I guess now it is in the thousands — of people about this issue, and in 99.9 percent of the time the people that are opposed to gay marriage at some point in their discussion they always say, ‘My Bible says.’”

“And so if this is the reason or rationale for being opposed to this or why this law is currently in place, the question that keeps going through my mind over and over again is do we as a society have the right to impose our religious beliefs on somebody else?

He said his own marriage also played a role in his decision to support the legislation.

“Today we have the opportunity to give a part of our population, fellow brothers and sisters of God, the same rights that most of us have taken for granted since the day we knew what the opposite sex was,” Faust concluded.

237 bratwurst  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:53:54pm
238 klys  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:54:02pm

re: #233 PT Barnum

Does Stunning Science Stories in Outer Spacey stuff Count?

Hahaha.

Actually, my friend (who defended on Tuesday) just did hers on measuring giant black holes in merging galaxies using adaptive optics. And managed to explain it in a way that I, with my amateur astronomer knowledge, followed.

239 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:54:33pm

re: #219 bratwurst

PAGING PAUL RYAN…PAUL RYAN…PLEASE PICK UP THE CLUE PHONE.

He already picked it up. The presidential campaign forced him to acknowledge Rand’s hostility to religion. He has since admitted he thinks her to have been wrong on that topic.

/Minor details now, but I thought them relevant.

240 EPR-radar  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:54:45pm

re: #230 klys

It depends strongly on the field. In science, a lot of the theses are based on published work, if not directly copied and pasted from papers published.

I was being a bit literal there —- the thesis itself (e.g., all 160 pages in this case) is almost never published “as is”. Journals have page limits, after all. However, the underlying work in a thesis is most often published, since that is an effective way of demonstrating a contribution to knowledge.

241 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:56:10pm

re: #237 bratwurst

Eric Bolling finally said what EVERYONE is thinking:

Had It Been Sasha Or Malia Obama Who Died In Benghazi, Wouldn’t We “Be Asking Different Questions?”

Appropriate Answer to Mr. Bolling: “FUCK YOU!”

242 klys  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:56:16pm

re: #240 EPR-radar

I was being a bit literal there —- the thesis itself (e.g., all 160 pages in this case) is almost never published “as is”. Journals have page limits, after all. However, the underlying work in a thesis is most often published, since that is an effective way of demonstrating a contribution to knowledge.

It’s true. But 4 of the 5 chapters of my thesis have been published/will be published essentially as they appear in my thesis. Which means copyright dances, yay!

That being said, I’m not sure this was published at all. I haven’t put significant effort into finding it because the stomach flu yesterday totally knocked me out.

243 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:56:42pm

re: #237 bratwurst

Eric Bolling finally said what EVERYONE is thinking:

Had It Been Sasha Or Malia Obama Who Died In Benghazi, Wouldn’t We “Be Asking Different Questions?”

If Japanese animation teaches us anything, it’s that teenage girls are invincible soldiers.

244 PT Barnum  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:57:06pm

re: #242 klys

It’s true. But 4 of the 5 chapters of my thesis have been published/will be published essentially as they appear in my thesis. Which means copyright dances, yay!

That being said, I’m not sure this was published at all. I haven’t put significant effort into finding it because the stomach flu yesterday totally knocked me out.

I just call it my friend Ralffff!!

245 bratwurst  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:57:07pm

re: #241 Dark_Falcon

Appropriate Answer to Mr. Bolling: “FUCK YOU!”

I am going to file that under “tough, but fair”.

246 Kragar  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:57:38pm

re: #243 The Ghost of a Flea

If Japanese animation teaches us anything, it’s that teenage girls are invincible soldiers.

And the old butler looking dude is probably a cyborg ninja.

247 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:57:50pm

re: #232 Single-handed sailor

Point of order. Whores take money, sluts give it away free.

I would ask for an exception on this point, since “Hate Whore” is lamely alliterative and it does not lend itself to the use of the term ‘slut shaming’.

248 klys  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:58:28pm

re: #247 Dark_Falcon

I would ask for an exception on this point, since “Hate Whore” is lamely alliterative and it does not lend itself to the use of the term ‘slut shaming’.

Can’t we find an insult that doesn’t relate back to female sexuality? I mean, would you be coming up with sex-related insults for a guy?

249 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:58:35pm

re: #243 The Ghost of a Flea

Why can’t we go back to the days of Rurouni Kenshin?

250 EPR-radar  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:58:36pm

re: #242 klys

It’s true. But 4 of the 5 chapters of my thesis have been published/will be published essentially as they appear in my thesis. Which means copyright dances, yay!

That being said, I’m not sure this was published at all. I haven’t put significant effort into finding it because the stomach flu yesterday totally knocked me out.

You must have either large page limits in your journals or very short thesis chapters —- in my field, there would be no way to publish a thesis chapter verbatim in the usual journals (typically having a 3 page limit).

251 BigPapa  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:58:38pm

re: #237 bratwurst

Eric Bolling finally said what EVERYONE is thinking:

Had It Been Sasha Or Malia Obama Who Died In Benghazi, Wouldn’t We “Be Asking Different Questions?”

Yes, I’d be like WTF did Michelle Bachmann just say + WTH did Steve King just say x 10, then we’d be in the neighborhood of why are the First Kids in a recently revolutionized country.

252 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:58:58pm

Somebody open a window, it’s getting kind of passive aggressive in here.

253 jaunte  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:59:11pm
254 klys  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:59:48pm

re: #250 EPR-radar

You must have either large page limits in your journals or very short thesis chapters —- in my field, there would be no way to publish a thesis chapter verbatim in the usual journals (typically having a 3 page limit).

Hahahaha, oh, there is no 3 page limit in my journals.

That being said, things go from being 40-45 pages in the thesis (where it is double spaced and the figures are at the end and tables and all that crap) to 11 pages in a journal, when the formatting is all nicely done.

255 PT Barnum  Thu, May 9, 2013 6:59:54pm

re: #248 klys

Can’t we find an insult that doesn’t relate back to female sexuality? I mean, would you be coming up with sex-related insults for a guy?

Would Pontificating Prostitute be acceptable?

256 Decatur Deb  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:00:04pm

re: #248 klys

Can’t we find an insult that doesn’t relate back to female sexuality? I mean, would you be coming up with sex-related insults for a guy?

You’d have to be a real prick to do that.

257 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:00:31pm

re: #235 Charles Johnson

I’ll take the Center for American Progress any day over VDARE. Apparently you feel differently.

Ah, that explains the swastika tattoo on my forehead. I was wondering what that was about.

258 bratwurst  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:00:54pm

re: #252 Charles Johnson

Somebody open a window, it’s getting kind of passive aggressive in here.

Maybe the above comments would make sense if we were “classical liberals”?

259 PT Barnum  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:00:55pm

re: #243 The Ghost of a Flea

If Japanese animation teaches us anything, it’s that teenage girls are invincible soldiers.

And that when people talk their entire jaw moves up and down but their lips don’t move.

260 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:01:08pm

re: #237 bratwurst

Eric Bolling finally said what EVERYONE is thinking:

Had It Been Sasha Or Malia Obama Who Died In Benghazi, Wouldn’t We “Be Asking Different Questions?”

261 EPR-radar  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:02:00pm

re: #255 PT Barnum

Would Pontificating Prostitute be acceptable?

What’s wrong with scum-sucking, hateful, bottom-feeder? Just for starters.

English is a marvelously rich language where thousands of insults can be constructed that make no reference to gender at all.

262 PT Barnum  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:02:08pm

re: #258 bratwurst

Maybe the above comments would make sense if we were “classical liberals”?

I draw the line at John Cage.

263 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:03:06pm

re: #257 Killgore Trout

So go ahead, then. Explain exactly what the point of your comment was, without being passive aggressive about it. I’d like to hear that.

264 PT Barnum  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:03:57pm

re: #261 EPR-radar

What’s wrong with scum-sucking, hateful, bottom-feeder? Just for starters.

English is a marvelously rich language where thousands of insults can be constructed that make no reference to gender at all.

pangloss.com

265 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:03:58pm

re: #252 Charles Johnson

Somebody open a window, it’s getting kind of passive aggressive in here.

The Magical Balance ran into the Overton Window.

Therefore, VDARE.

266 danarchy  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:04:03pm

re: #237 bratwurst

Eric Bolling finally said what EVERYONE is thinking:

Had It Been Sasha Or Malia Obama Who Died In Benghazi, Wouldn’t We “Be Asking Different Questions?”

Primarily “what the hell were Sasha and Malia doing in Benghazi?”

267 PT Barnum  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:04:25pm

re: #262 PT Barnum

I draw the line at John Cage.

Or I would if I could ever find the end of the damn thing.

268 EPR-radar  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:04:55pm

re: #243 The Ghost of a Flea

If Japanese animation teaches us anything, it’s that teenage girls are invincible soldiers.

Or that color coding the characters’ hair is essential.

269 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:05:45pm

re: #257 Killgore Trout

Baiting Charles like that isn’t smart.

270 klys  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:06:09pm

re: #268 EPR-radar

Or that color coding the character’s hair is essential.

Speaking of damn awesome anime, Moribito is a series well worth watching for anyone who cares for that sort of thing. Came out a couple years ago, excellently done. You can see it on Crunchyroll if you’re curious (I think, still). One of the few I’ve watched and then bought in recent years.

271 jamesfirecat  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:06:57pm

re: #227 Killgore Trout

Corn Pone Uber Alles!

The fuck is this?

272 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:07:12pm

re: #268 EPR-radar

Or that color coding the character’s hair is essential.

Or that the power of friendship is a critical military asset.

273 jaunte  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:07:49pm

Benghazi point man explains why he wasn’t at hearing

The chairman of the House committee overseeing the hearing, Congressman Darrell Issa, said Pickering had refused to attend.

Pickering called Issa’s statement “colossally misinformed,” in an interview with CNN’s Christiane Amanpour on Wednesday.

Pickering said that he had made it clear to Issa, via the White House, that he was “ready to come at any time.” But according to him, Congressman Issa didn’t invite him, but rather informed Pickering that he might want to take up his offer sometime in the future.

274 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:08:21pm

re: #269 Dark_Falcon

Baiting Charles like that isn’t smart.

He’s been aiming for a martyr cookie since OWS scared him senseless. He’s acting like “tonight’s the night” though. Liquid courage?

275 PT Barnum  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:08:31pm

re: #273 jaunte

Benghazi point man explains why he wasn’t at hearing

Issa: “I can’t handle the truth!”

276 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:08:49pm

re: #271 jamesfirecat

My thoughts exactly.

277 jaunte  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:08:59pm

re: #275 PT Barnum

That’s a pretty stupid thing to lie about.

278 jamesfirecat  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:10:06pm

re: #272 The Ghost of a Flea

Or that the power of friendship is a critical military asset.

No I learned that from My Little Pony.

279 EPR-radar  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:10:18pm

re: #277 jaunte

That’s a pretty stupid thing to lie about.

Par for the course for Issa. What is it about CA Republicans at the Federal level?

280 PT Barnum  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:10:20pm

re: #277 jaunte

That’s a pretty stupid thing to lie about.

We are talking about Darrel Issa. aren’t we?

281 PT Barnum  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:11:22pm

re: #278 jamesfirecat

No I learned that from My Little Pony.

He’s a Brony! Hails of derisive laughter.

282 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:11:56pm

re: #274 William Barnett-Lewis

He’s been aiming for a martyr cookie since OWS scared him senseless. He’s acting like “tonight’s the night” though. Liquid courage?

I hope not. I think LGF would be a poorer place without Killgore, but I’ve been wishing for over a year now that he would get whatever is bothering him out of his system.

283 BigPapa  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:12:11pm

re: #274 William Barnett-Lewis

Liquid courage?

I got the Liquid Popcorn flowing.

284 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:12:52pm

re: #266 danarchy

Primarily “what the hell were Sasha and Malia doing in Benghazi?”

They were hanging out with Chelsea.

285 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:13:32pm

re: #283 BigPapa

I got the Liquid Popcorn flowing.

So you’re drinking US-made Coca-Cola tonight, huh? ;)


/High-fructose corn syrup humor.

286 sattv4u2  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:13:47pm

re: #269 Dark_Falcon

Baiting Charles like that isn’t smart.

Looked like a response to a response to me. I doubt very much KT is a fan of VDARE, or anything like it

287 jamesfirecat  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:13:56pm

re: #281 PT Barnum

He’s a Brony! Hails of derisive laughter.

I have no regrets.

288 EPR-radar  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:14:00pm

re: #281 PT Barnum

He’s a Brony! Hails of derisive laughter.

My sticking point is the “military asset” part. I wouldn’t think My Little Pony would show the magic of friendship in a military context.

289 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:14:04pm

re: #282 Dark_Falcon

I hope not. I think LGF would be a poorer place without Killgore, but I’ve been wishing for over a year now that he would get whatever is bothering him out of his system.

He can be very good for the place but the last few months have been very reminiscent of Cato’s flame out.

290 goddamnedfrank  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:14:10pm

re: #217 EPR-radar

The professors on the thesis committee need to sign off on it for the student to graduate.

I kind of wonder if they were bullied into signing off via threat of a well funded lawsuit. I’m reading the dissertation now and it’s really awful, I’ll post it at the end of this comment. I’d like to get input from klys and anybody else who’s gone through a graduate school program, because to me this looks like weak fucking sauce. 166 pages seems really short for a Harvard Ph.D dissertation. My Master’s thesis was substantially longer than this garbage and I went to a freakin’ photography school.

The abstract starts off with one hell of a whopper:

The statistical construct known as IQ can reliably estimate general mental ability, or intelligence. The average IQ of immigrants in the United States is substantially lower than that of the white native population, and the difference is likely to persist over several generations.

Wow, alarm bells anyone? Massive built in assumptions, endemic racism and cognitive bias at play, right from the get go. I can’t believe this even got past a preliminary design review.

291 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:14:42pm

re: #266 danarchy

Primarily “what the hell were Sasha and Malia doing in Benghazi?”

Clearly they were looking to re-start the Barbary Pirates. Because Sharia-Taqiyya-Secret Muslim-Teleprompter.

292 BigPapa  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:15:15pm

re: #289 William Barnett-Lewis

He can be very good for the place but the last few months have been very reminiscent of Cato’s flame out.

You’re on a roll. I was thinking ‘long slow burn like Cato’ but hadn’t typed it yet.

293 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:15:28pm

Good Guy Unions: Stands up for reinstating non-union workers during a fire.

Though none of the farm workers were part of a union, United Farm Workers stepped in to help with their case this week, stressing the idea that “No worker shall work under conditions where they feel his life or health is in danger.” Crisalida Farms has since agreed to give the workers their jobs back.

Like any huge agricultural economy, California’s farms employ significant numbers of low-wage migrant workers, not all of whom are in the country with proper documentation. Such workers usually lack bargaining power in negotiations, and it’s easy for farm owners to take advantage of those employees. A new set of bills in California aims to address this by creating punitive measures for farms that threaten to report workers to immigration authorities.

Farmworkers’ rights have also been a point of contention during the debate over comprehensive immigration reform, with growers and House Republicans pushing for lower mandatory wages for agricultural employees.

294 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:15:57pm

re: #289 William Barnett-Lewis

He can be very good for the place but the last few months have been very reminiscent of Cato’s flame out.

re: #292 BigPapa

You’re on a roll. I was thinking ‘long slow burn like Cato’ but hadn’t typed it yet.

I’m trying to douse the flame.

295 jamesfirecat  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:16:03pm

re: #288 EPR-radar

My sticking point is the “military asset” part. I wouldn’t think My Little Pony would show the magic of friendship in a military context.

The magic of friendship saves the kingdom of Equestria from an invasion of shapeshifters at one point and it is also used to defeat a slightly more evil version of Q.

296 goddamnedfrank  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:17:36pm

re: #257 Killgore Trout

Ah, that explains the swastika tattoo on my forehead. I was wondering what that was about.

Here, I’ll post Richwine’s dissertation again for you to read and comment on at your leisure.

I’ve seen LOLCat pictures with more academic vigor.

297 Stanghazi  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:18:17pm

re: #282 Dark_Falcon

I hope not. I think LGF would be a poorer place without Killgore, but I’ve been wishing for over a year now that he would get whatever is bothering him out of his system.

What the hell has he contributed over this long time? Nothing. Just baiting the lizards. It’s so old.

298 Mattand  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:18:33pm

re: #282 Dark_Falcon

I hope not. I think LGF would be a poorer place without Killgore, but I’ve been wishing for over a year now that he would get whatever is bothering him out of his system.

I think the trigger was mentioning Rachel Maddow.

As soon as he makes his patented idiotic “She’s no different that Glenn Beck” claim, he’ll even out.

299 goddamnedfrank  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:19:13pm

re: #296 goddamnedfrank

P.S. I haven’t yet seen Rachel’s take on the issue.

300 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:19:17pm

re: #297 Stanghazi

What the hell has he contributed over this long time? Nothing. Just baiting the lizards. It’s so old.

The Kilgore I remember posted great recipes, gardening tips and raised a colony of frogs.

I miss that Kilgore.

301 PT Barnum  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:19:47pm

well gnite all

302 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:21:13pm

re: #294 Dark_Falcon

re: #292 BigPapa

I’m trying to douse the flame.

I’ll hope you can but I’m sorry that I don’t think I dare try to hold my breath on it.

303 jaunte  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:21:20pm

Heads up, Austin:

A Tornado Warning remains in effect until 10:00 pm CDT For Eastern Gillespie County. At 9:10 pm CDT, nws meteorologists continued to detect a tornado. This tornado was located near Fredericksburg, moving Southeast at 25 mph. In addition to the possible tornado, this storm has a recent history of producing baseball hail, and the strongest part of this storm will likely produce damaging hail over the city of Fredericksburg between 930 and 10:00 pm CDT.
Some locations in the warning area include Rocky Hill, Cain City, Blumenthal, Luckenbach and Stonewall.
google.org

304 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:21:29pm

re: #295 jamesfirecat

The magic of friendship saves the kingdom of Equestria from an invasion of shapeshifters at one point

So Congress invaded Equestria?

//

and it is also used to defeat a slightly more evil version of Q.

I’m not sure I’d really call Q “evil”. He really doesn’t fit the Good/Evil paradigm very well.

305 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:22:13pm

re: #302 William Barnett-Lewis

I’ll hope you can but I’m sorry that I don’t think I dare try to hold my breath on it.

I understand. But I have to try.

306 Decatur Deb  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:22:26pm

re: #300 Vicious Babushka

The Kilgore I remember posted great recipes, gardening tips and raised a colony of frogs.

I miss that Kilgore.

And he held the Tea Parties up to the light when LGF had a distinct whiff of Earl Grey.

307 Stanghazi  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:22:49pm

Kragar still here? I really want to see that Life magazine spring break riot photo. Got it handy???

308 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:24:12pm

re: #295 jamesfirecat

The magic of friendship saves the kingdom of Equestria from an invasion of shapeshifters at one point and it is also used to defeat a slightly more evil version of Q.

When the magic of friendship is outlawed, only outlaws will have the magic of friendship.

309 jamesfirecat  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:25:12pm

re: #304 Dark_Falcon

So Congress invaded Equestria?

//

I’m not sure I’d really call Q “evil”. He really doesn’t fit the Good/Evil paradigm very well.

Well slightly more jerkass version of Q (and I use that phrase because he snaps his fingers and fades to white when he uses his reality manipulating powers, and also ohh I don’t know, is voiced by John de Lancie) and is intent on remaking a portion of the world in chaos.

310 BigPapa  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:25:16pm

Oh it’s getting Extra Bueno Especiale in here. Love it.

311 jamesfirecat  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:25:49pm

re: #308 The Ghost of a Flea

When the magic of friendship is outlawed, only outlaws will have the magic of friendship.

Also known as Shadowrun, though you could say the same thing about unions in that setting.

312 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:26:54pm

re: #306 Decatur Deb

And he held the Tea Parties up to the light when LGF had a distinct whiff of Earl Grey.

True, but that catered to his natural contrarianism. But so did going after OWS*, hence the problem.

*: This really should read “going after OWS more than the facts warranted”, but the full version made the sentence clunky and overly long.

313 darthstar  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:26:59pm

re: #256 Decatur Deb

You’d have to be a real prick to do that.

You’re such a wanker.

314 sattv4u2  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:28:16pm

Meanwhile

Colorado Lawmakers Set Taxes And Rules For Marijuana Sales

npr.org

In other words, the state will be ROLLING in the money!!

315 Decatur Deb  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:28:28pm

re: #313 darthstar

You’re such a wanker.

No need to be dickish.

316 darthstar  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:28:43pm
317 jaunte  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:29:13pm

Now the thread is hosed.

318 sattv4u2  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:29:35pm

re: #317 jaunte

Now the thread is hosed.

was that hard to type?

319 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:29:51pm

re: #309 jamesfirecat

Well slightly more jerkass version of Q (and I use that phrase because he snaps his fingers and fades to white when he uses his reality manipulating powers, and also ohh I don’t know, is voiced by John de Lancie) and is intent on remaking a portion of the world in chaos.

Which really isn’t Q, since Q doesn’t focus on remaking things, being more of a studier and judge than a maker.

/No, I’m not a Trekkie. But this is one matter regarding Star Trek: TNG and Voyager that I’ve given some thought to.

320 darthstar  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:30:42pm

re: #318 sattv4u2

was that hard to type?

With one hand, yes.

321 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:32:14pm

re: #317 jaunte

Now the thread is hosed.

That’s the real point of passive aggressive behavior. “Look at me!”

322 jamesfirecat  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:33:22pm

re: #319 Dark_Falcon

Which really isn’t Q, since Q doesn’t focus on remaking things, being more of a studier and judge than a maker.

/No, I’m not a Trekkie. But this is one matter regarding Star Trek: TNG and Voyager that I’ve given some thought to.

Well he is an omnipotent trickster, its just he’s less of the semi-benevolent but annoying cyote type trickster and more of a temptation and lies Satan-like stile entity which I will agree is not that comparable to Q.

At least till season three when he got redeemed and we’ll have to see if season four has him (the character) acting more Q like in general.

323 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:33:32pm

re: #314 sattv4u2

We need a picture of a tsunami of a money.

324 darthstar  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:33:54pm

re: #321 Charles Johnson

That’s the real point of passive aggressive behavior. “Look at me!”

So it’s like a congressional hearing on Benghazi.

325 EPR-radar  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:34:57pm

re: #290 goddamnedfrank

I kind of wonder if they were bullied into signing off via threat of a well funded lawsuit. I’m reading the dissertation now and it’s really awful, I’ll post it at the end of this comment. I’d like to get input from klys and anybody else who’s gone through a graduate school program, because to me this looks like weak fucking sauce. 166 pages seems really short for a Harvard Ph.D dissertation. My Master’s thesis was substantially longer than this garbage and I went to a freakin’ photography school.

The abstract starts off with one hell of a whopper:

The statistical construct known as IQ can reliably estimate general mental ability, or intelligence. The average IQ of immigrants in the United States is substantially lower than that of the white native population, and the difference is likely to persist over several generations.

Wow, alarm bells anyone? Massive built in assumptions, endemic racism and cognitive bias at play, right from the get go. I can’t believe this even got past a preliminary design review.

I’ve been through a graduate program. (Ph.D. electrical engineering).

My 2 cents:

1) Fellow travelers among the committee seems much more plausible to me than a lawsuit threat. There are musty corners of academia where the validity of IQ is taken for granted.

2) Length of a dissertation (or of any other document, really), is a poor indicator of quality.

326 darthstar  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:35:03pm

Because anyone talking to a burning bush has to be stoned…


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327 klys  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:35:31pm

re: #290 goddamnedfrank

I’m working my way through it right now but so far I am not impressed.

Length is hard to judge based on simply - my doctoral dissertation clocks in at 198 pages, including figures and tables, etc. On the flip side, science writing is fucking dense and a world of its own. This is written in a much more standard style. Not many references at all. (If I have a single paragraph in my dissertation - outside of my acknowledgements or abstract - without a reference, it is news to me.) No indications this was published *anywhere* which means it hasn’t gone through peer review.

Frankly, it reads like it could have been produced in a year with no problems. I sure as hell hope this wasn’t the only requirement for his Ph.D., but I wonder what the hell else he did.

Also, I’m offended that he got a Ph.D. for this, but that’s neither here nor there.

328 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:35:40pm

re: #312 Dark_Falcon

True, but that catered to his natural contrarianism. But so did going after OWS*, hence the problem.

*: This really should read “going after OWS more than the facts warranted”, but the full version made the sentence clunky and overly long.

There was something about his TP work that was honest that was missing from day 1 about OWS. I’ve made jokes about it but it was really like he was scared of the proverbial “Red Under His Bed”. I remember getting in his face about it back this far littlegreenfootballs.com but it’s only gotten worse since then.

329 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:36:07pm

All I’m saying is, somebody should nickname their junk The Magic of Friendship.

Not me. Mine are already called “The Last Argument of Kings.”

eh, crude even for my tastes.

I’m officially at the point where I’m cracking tasteless jokes because if I actually address the main topic I’ll just Godwin everywhere. I’m in the middle of reading Evans’ Third Reich Trilogy, and it’s just way too relevant.

330 Kragar  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:37:11pm

State Department Demands Takedown Of 3D-Printable Gun Files For Possible Export Control Violations

On Thursday, Defense Distributed founder Cody Wilson received a letter from the State Department Office of Defense Trade Controls Compliance demanding that he take down the online blueprints for the 3D-printable “Liberator” handgun that his group released Monday, along with nine other 3D-printable firearms components hosted on the group’s website Defcad.org. The government says it wants to review the files for compliance with arms export control laws known as the International Traffic in Arms Regulations, or ITAR. By uploading the weapons files to the Internet and allowing them to be downloaded abroad, the letter implies Wilson’s high-tech gun group may have violated those export controls.

“Until the Department provides Defense Distributed with final [commodity jurisdiction] determinations, Defense Distributed should treat the above technical data as ITAR-controlled,” reads the letter, referring to a list of ten CAD files hosted on Defcad that include the 3D-printable gun, silencers, sights and other pieces. “This means that all data should be removed from public acces immediately. Defense Distributed should review the remainder of the data made public on its website to determine whether any other data may be similarly controlled and proceed according to ITAR requirements.

331 klys  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:37:28pm

re: #325 EPR-radar

I’ve been through a graduate program. (Ph.D. electrical engineering).

My 2 cents:

1) Fellow travelers among the committee seems much more plausible to me than a lawsuit threat. There are musty corners of academia where the validity of IQ is taken for granted.

2) Length of a dissertation (or of any other document, really), is a poor indicator of quality.

I agree very much on #1. All he needs is to cherry-pick the committee well with people who are willing to sign off on something like this because it supports their own views. This shit happens. In theory an oral defense with a chair from outside the department is supposed to step in and stop it, but if you sound out the right chair, well…

332 EPR-radar  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:37:41pm

re: #327 klys

One thing to check for is how he treats Rushton’s ‘work’. I saw citations to Rushton, but I was not able to find where Richwine discussed Rushton in his text.

333 EPR-radar  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:41:24pm

re: #327 klys

Another telling point in the Richwine dissertation is his acknowledgement of Charles Murray as the greatest influence on the thesis.

334 klys  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:44:22pm

re: #333 EPR-radar

Another telling point in the Richwine dissertation is his acknowledgement of Charles Murray as the greatest influence on the thesis.

Argh, my inability to copy/paste from the document is driving me up a wall, because there are so many horrible quotes out of it. The more I read the more peeved I am.

Seriously, why are wingnuts willing to believe that IQ differences are hardcoded in our genes and substantial differences exist between immigrant populations (frankly, I’m of the opinion that if I were a smart immigrant I would stay the fuck out of the US right now) as a result of genetics but being gay is a choice?

335 goddamnedfrank  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:45:09pm

One glaring bias built into Richwine’s study is that the IQ test he used is top coded for an educational level of 12 years, but he deliberately doesn’t account for actual education or class level of the test takers or the average education and class level of the subgroups. The fact that our undergound labor market disproportionately draws in uneducated and unskilled workers from nations with geographical proximity to us is used to characterize immigrants from such countries in general.

This is one hell of an assumption to make about immigrants in general, especially when the IQ difference he’s pointing to as justifying his policy proposals is less than one half of one standard deviation.

This study is pure shit. I’ve seen statistical studies with far more supporting data via the population sizes being studied and much better methodology where in the conclusion the originating hypothesis was determined equivocal at best. Honest researchers go in with maybe a hunch, but they don’t set out to, by hook or by crook, prove their own ideological biases.

336 jaunte  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:48:17pm
337 Kragar  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:49:24pm

re: #336 jaunte

I have no doubt Governor Perry will veto the bill.

338 jaunte  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:50:43pm

re: #337 Kragar

Yup. School breakfasts, that’s why we have a deficit.

339 Kragar  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:51:53pm

re: #338 jaunte

Yup. School breakfasts, that’s why we have a deficit.

Bunch of slackers should go get a job and quit leaching off the state, wasting time getting an education off of the taxpayer’s dime.
/

340 jaunte  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:51:54pm
State Rep. Pat Fallon, R-Frisco, called the school breakfast program an inefficient way to feed the hungry and that it would waste federal dollars.

“I want children to be fed, who doesn’t? But you have to look at this from the perspective of our limited resources,” he said. “At the federal level, for the last 70 years, we’ve acted like we have unlimited resources. That’s the reason we have a $17 trillion debt.” texastribune.org

341 klys  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:52:05pm

Perhaps the most ironic sentence in this thesis:

For example, a person’s IQ affects his likelihood of completing college, but some college graduates are not very smart.

342 jaunte  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:53:09pm

re: #341 klys

Rick Perry graduated from Texas A&M, but he has trouble remembering groups of three things.

343 Kragar  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:54:03pm

re: #340 jaunte

“And surely it can’t be because of multi-billion dollar weapon programs and corporate welfare to the financial, agricultural and energy industries.”

344 klys  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:55:58pm

re: #341 klys

This is a steaming pile of racist horseshit, honestly, and I am so glad my degree is not from Harvard.

345 danarchy  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:56:34pm

re: #330 Kragar

State Department Demands Takedown Of 3D-Printable Gun Files For Possible Export Control Violations

Cat is already out of the bag on that one. It was downloaded over 100,000 times and is still available for download on servers out of US jurisdiction. The whole thing seems a little overblown to me anyhow. It is a glorified zip gun. $10 and a hardware store and you can make a device that is functionally equivalent.

346 EPR-radar  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:56:55pm

re: #335 goddamnedfrank

One glaring bias built into Richwine’s study is that the IQ test he used is top coded for an educational level of 12 years, but he deliberately doesn’t account for actual education or class level of the test takers or the average education and class level of the subgroups. The fact that our undergound labor market disproportionately draws in uneducated and unskilled workers from nations with geographical proximity to us is used to characterize immigrants from such countries in general.

This is one hell of an assumption to make about immigrants in general, especially when the IQ difference he’s pointing to as justifying his policy proposals is less than one half of one standard deviation.

This study is pure shit. I’ve seen statistical studies with far more supporting data via the population sizes being studied and much better methodology where in the conclusion the originating hypothesis was determined equivocal at best. Honest researchers go in with maybe a hunch, but they don’t set out to, by hook or by crook, prove their own ideological biases.

THIS x1000. Scientific racism always comes down to using sleight of hand with the numbers to arrive at the predetermined policy conclusions.

In theory, I’m prepared to believe that the IQ test probably measures something real, and that differences in test results can’t all be blamed on bias in the test. But every time IQ is trotted out, it is in support of totally backward RW crap.

An apt analogy is IQ : psychology :: “states rights” : political science

The ‘science’ of IQ is indelibly tainted by the uses to which it has been put, both past and present.

347 Mattand  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:57:29pm

re: #334 klys

(frankly, I’m of the opinion that if I were a smart immigrant I would stay the fuck out of the US right now)

re: #340 jaunte

State Rep. Pat Fallon, R-Frisco, called the school breakfast program an inefficient way to feed the hungry and that it would waste federal dollars.

“I want children to be fed, who doesn’t? But you have to look at this from the perspective of our limited resources,” he said. “At the federal level, for the last 70 years, we’ve acted like we have unlimited resources. That’s the reason we have a $17 trillion debt.”

A country with nuclear bombs and a political party that’s fine with seeing kids go hungry? What’s not to love?

348 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:59:21pm

re: #330 Kragar

State Department Demands Takedown Of 3D-Printable Gun Files For Possible Export Control Violations

infowars and prisonplanet are yelling about this, but based on my own knowledge (from back when I sold seats to defense conferences) this is just SOP for the State Department. I doubt SecState Kerry was even told this would be done before the letter was sent.

349 klys  Thu, May 9, 2013 7:59:46pm
It is clear that more intelligent people are better at cooperating.

Where’s a wall? Or a desk? I need to bang my head into something.

That sentence is provided with no citation, btw.

350 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 9, 2013 8:00:18pm

re: #347 Mattand

State Rep. Pat Fallon, R-Frisco, called the school breakfast program an inefficient way to feed the hungry and that it would waste federal dollars.

“I want children to be fed, who doesn’t? But you have to look at this from the perspective of our limited resources,” he said.

“You have to look at it from the perspective of someone who doesn’t really have much of a problem watching children starve. Someone like me.”

351 jaunte  Thu, May 9, 2013 8:00:37pm

re: #347 Mattand

It’s too bad these conservative politicians can’t imagine the potential academic achievement and future economic potential they might be throwing away by letting some of these kids go hungry.

352 Kragar  Thu, May 9, 2013 8:01:21pm

re: #348 Dark_Falcon

infowars and prisonplanet are yelling about this, but based on my own knowledge (from back when I sold seats to defense conferences) this is just SOP for the State Department. I doubt SecState Kerry was even told this would be done before the letter was sent.

And with the route they are using, the fact the item in question is a gun is secondary. They’re approaching it as unregulated technological export.

353 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, May 9, 2013 8:01:25pm

re: #348 Dark_Falcon

Anyone else remember the flap when PGP was first released? They tried the same thing but eventually relented in the face of reality.

354 klys  Thu, May 9, 2013 8:01:29pm

re: #351 jaunte

It’s too bad these conservative politicians can’t imagine the potential academic achievement and future economic potential they might be throwing away by letting some of these kids go hungry.

Pfft, if their parents are poor it is because they are low IQ and their children are low IQ and so they DESERVE TO STARVE because they are against everything good in society ever.

//

355 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 9, 2013 8:01:41pm

re: #345 danarchy

Cat is already out of the bag on that one. It was downloaded over 100,000 times and is still available for download on servers out of US jurisdiction. The whole thing seems a little overblown to me anyhow. It is a glorified zip gun. $10 and a hardware store and you can make a device that is functionally equivalent.

This is more about following procedure and the law. The disposition of the actual information is a secondary point.

/Your government at work.

356 jaunte  Thu, May 9, 2013 8:01:54pm

Pat Fallon, Christian.
texastribune.org

357 Kragar  Thu, May 9, 2013 8:02:20pm

re: #350 Charles Johnson

Charles, I sent you a message via the contact form.

358 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 9, 2013 8:02:28pm

re: #352 Kragar

And with the route they are using, the fact the item in question is a gun is secondary. They’re approaching it as unregulated technological export.

Correct.

359 jaunte  Thu, May 9, 2013 8:02:42pm

Fallon is the president and CEO of Virtus Apparel, a military-themed clothing line.
texastribune.org

360 blueraven  Thu, May 9, 2013 8:03:16pm

In which I defend Buck!

At least he has the balls to present an honest argument. He doesn’t come in and troll with some cryptic bullshit and then blow. He believes what he says and defends it.

361 EPR-radar  Thu, May 9, 2013 8:05:28pm

re: #349 klys

Where’s a wall? Or a desk? I need to bang my head into something.

That sentence is provided with no citation, btw.

The funny thing about that quote is that it would imply that the House and Senate Republicans, being the least cooperative politicians on the planet, must therefore be morons.

362 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 9, 2013 8:06:30pm

re: #360 blueraven

In which I defend Buck!

At least he has the balls to present an honest argument. He doesn’t come in and troll with some cryptic bullshit and then blow. He believes what he says and defends it.

Actually, he sometimes doesn’t really defend it. But he does stand by it and own it.

363 sattv4u2  Thu, May 9, 2013 8:07:55pm

Ya Baby!!

Just scored two tickets to see Tony Bennett on May 31st !!!

8th row ,, center ,,,,

364 goddamnedfrank  Thu, May 9, 2013 8:10:10pm

re: #349 klys

Where’s a wall? Or a desk? I need to bang my head into something.

That sentence is provided with no citation, btw.

It’s really frustrating right. I went balls out doing the research for and completing my M.S. thesis, it was a trying, difficult slog to get through. No goddamned “think tank” paid me to do it, and while I sometimes I think it’s shit it’s at least unique, fairly interesting shit.

My opinion of Harvard has taken a huge hit here.

365 klys  Thu, May 9, 2013 8:12:11pm

re: #364 goddamnedfrank

It’s really frustrating right. I went balls out doing the research for and completing my M.S. thesis, it was a trying, difficult slog to get through. No goddamned “think tank” paid me to do it, and while I sometimes I think it’s shit it’s at least unique, fairly interesting shit.

My opinion of Harvard has taken a huge hit here.

Six years. Six fucking years to get my Ph.D.

And then I read shit like this.

366 goddamnedfrank  Thu, May 9, 2013 8:13:19pm

My rage meter is full.

367 EPR-radar  Thu, May 9, 2013 8:15:25pm

re: #364 goddamnedfrank

It’s really frustrating right. I went balls out doing the research for and completing my M.S. thesis, it was a trying, difficult slog to get through. No goddamned “think tank” paid me to do it, and while I sometimes I think it’s shit it’s at least unique, fairly interesting shit.

My opinion of Harvard has taken a huge hit here.

Me too. Reading between the lines, this whole thing looks like a sham. Richwine was supported by AEI while he was at Harvard, and produces a crappy thesis that supports AEI’s agenda.

Richwine gets a cushy PhD. project where he can phone it in. After graduation, Richwine has a credential that can be used to support the pretensions of RW think tanks. The profs gets some easy grant funding from AEI.

1-2 fellow traveler profs at Harvard are all it takes for this to go through.

368 EPR-radar  Thu, May 9, 2013 8:19:20pm

re: #365 klys

Six years. Six fucking years to get my Ph.D.

And then I read shit like this.

From the acknowledgement: “Eager AEI interns N1, N2, N3, and N4 provided useful research assistance”.

Since when does an honest graduate student have 4 research assistants, even sequentially?

369 klys  Thu, May 9, 2013 8:20:17pm

re: #366 goddamnedfrank

re: #367 EPR-radar

For what it is worth, this is not a party line thing with me. I would react equally badly to anyone who got such shit approved as a dissertation because my Ph.D. means a lot to me. I have sweat blood and shed tears for this thing and I am proud of these letters. Especially now in my just-out-of-school glow. To see it given away like that, for such shitty work - both morally and academically - burns.

There’s no words for the rage.

370 goddamnedfrank  Thu, May 9, 2013 8:20:56pm

re: #367 EPR-radar

Me too. Reading between the lines, this whole thing looks like a sham. Richwine was supported by AEI while he was at Harvard, and produces a crappy thesis that supports AEI’s agenda.

Richwine gets a cushy PhD. project where he can phone it in. After graduation, Richwine has a credential that can be used to support the pretensions of RW think tanks. The profs gets some easy grant funding from AEI.

1-2 fellow traveler profs at Harvard are all it takes for this to go through.

My editor would have refunded my money and told me to go fuck myself before working on such a document. Like klys mentioned earlier, it’s weird that the outside department chair didn’t shit all over this project.

371 klys  Thu, May 9, 2013 8:22:28pm

re: #368 EPR-radar

From the acknowledgement: “Eager AEI interns N1, N2, N3, and N4 provided useful research assistance”.

Since when does an honest graduate student have 4 research assistants, even sequentially?

Because he needed someone to do the math/write the thesis for him. /snark

If grad school is stretched out over a few years and you have undergrads or high schoolers come in to help in the lab, it’s possible. Maybe. But really, no. One I could buy. Four is bullshit.

372 klys  Thu, May 9, 2013 8:24:32pm

re: #370 goddamnedfrank

My editor would have refunded my money and told me to go fuck myself before working on such a document. Like klys mentioned earlier, it’s weird that the outside department chair didn’t shit all over this project.

This is assuming that there was an outside department chair for at least the oral exam - I don’t know Harvard’s procedures for sure. Probably wasn’t required to sign off on the thesis. I see no mention of one in his acknowledgements though.

373 klys  Thu, May 9, 2013 8:25:52pm

re: #333 EPR-radar

Another telling point in the Richwine dissertation is his acknowledgement of Charles Murray as the greatest influence on the thesis.

Not just greatest influence but advisor.

374 EPR-radar  Thu, May 9, 2013 8:27:13pm

re: #369 klys

re: #367 EPR-radar

For what it is worth, this is not a party line thing with me. I would react equally badly to anyone who got such shit approved as a dissertation because my Ph.D. means a lot to me. I have sweat blood and shed tears for this thing and I am proud of these letters. Especially now in my just-out-of-school glow. To see it given away like that, for such shitty work - both morally and academically - burns.

There’s no words for the rage.

Me too. The just-finished glow is long gone, but I still despise the liars who try to use science/academia as cover for their crap. E.g., intelligent design types, tobacco institute liars, climate deniers, IQ race realists, etc. Truly a wretched hive of scum and villainy.

375 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, May 9, 2013 8:28:43pm

re: #368 EPR-radar

re: #369 klys

re: #370 goddamnedfrank

I’m updinging you all because it’s nice to see people moved by not just the politics of this, but the academic implications.

376 klys  Thu, May 9, 2013 8:32:28pm

re: #375 The Ghost of a Flea

I totally get that it is a difficult field to study and sometimes people need to look at uncomfortable things and blah blah blah whatever (not that that is what you are saying at all) because sometimes research involves having those difficult conversations.

This was just shitty ‘science’. And shitty quality. And shitty morals, but that’s not what they grant you a Ph.D. for. The first two are. And by those measures, Harvard failed bigtime.

377 EPR-radar  Thu, May 9, 2013 8:34:02pm

re: #375 The Ghost of a Flea

re: #369 klys

re: #370 goddamnedfrank

I’m updinging you all because it’s nice to see people moved by not just the politics of this, but the academic implications.

Thanks. One thing to note here is that academia is based on trusting the faculty to do the right thing. A tenured prof that wants to game the system can do so in any number of ways. There aren’t any easy fixes for this, since tenure and academic freedom exist for real reasons.

378 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 9, 2013 8:39:45pm

re: #377 EPR-radar

Thanks. One thing to note here is that academia is based on trusting the faculty to do the right thing. A tenured prof that wants to game the system can do so in any number of ways. There aren’t any easy fixes for this, since tenure and academic freedom exist for real reasons.

Upding for the honest assessment of the situation.

379 klys  Thu, May 9, 2013 8:42:05pm

re: #377 EPR-radar

Thanks. One thing to note here is that academia is based on trusting the faculty to do the right thing. A tenured prof that wants to game the system can do so in any number of ways. There aren’t any easy fixes for this, since tenure and academic freedom exist for real reasons.

Professors are people too. Sometimes you have good ones. Sometimes you have shitty ones. In theory the tenure process is supposed to weed out the shitty ones. In practice, well…

Finding that level of rot at Harvard is one of the things that is so surprising about all of this, although some of the things I’m seeing elsewhere from folks in the social sciences have indicated that the Kennedy School is not as regarded as it once was. Even before this.

380 Mich-again  Thu, May 9, 2013 8:51:04pm

I have been beating this drum for a while and I hope eventually it reaches the ears of enough people that something changes. Heritage Foundation, like ALEC and dozens of other right wing think tanks all claim to stand for conservative principles, free market economics and small government, yet they gladly accept fraudulent subsidies from US taxpayers for their partisan mission.

Here is a link to the Form 990 for Heritage Foundation where they attempt to justify their 501(c)(3) tax exempt status as a non-political, charitable organization. That means the nameless people who financially support Heritage Foundation receive a tax deduction for their donations. So in other words, American taxpayers subsidize their operations. I think this is disgusting hypocrisy.

381 palomino  Thu, May 9, 2013 9:20:24pm

re: #257 Killgore Trout

Ah, that explains the swastika tattoo on my forehead. I was wondering what that was about.

I thought that was a lobotomy scar.

382 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, May 9, 2013 9:21:01pm

Looking over Richwine’s references now. I find it interesting that his sources include Charles Murray and Arthur Jensen, who have both faced heavy criticism for their race/IQ conclusions. en.wikipedia.org
In other words, Richwine is basing his own work on pretty shaky ground.

Meanwhile, he also includes Stephen Jay Gould and Leon Kamin as sources — I suppose to balance his source list. Gould, in particular, has been sharply critical of Jensen’s work as it relates to heritability of intelligence.

I haven’t read the paper yet, but I wonder if Richwine addresses the validity of IQ tests as a measure of intelligence at all. If the premise of his study is that IQ tests do measure intelligence (whatever the fuck that is), then the paper is already built on a house of cards.

The table of contents shows there are three parts covering 120+ pages. Not very impressive for a Ph.D. “staple thesis”, as this appears to be. While length is not always a measure of worth, my bachelor’s thesis at Princeton was 80 pages, and a friend in the Woodrow Wilson School wrote one that was 300 pages! For a Ph.D. thesis from Harvard, I’d expect a little more meat. (Well, actually, I wouldn’t, because it’s Harvard. We Tigers always say H profs will give you a B for just showing up.)

That last statement is somewhat sarcastic.

383 klys  Thu, May 9, 2013 9:23:40pm

re: #382 wheat-dogghazi

Murray isn’t just in the references, he was the primary advisor.

Staple-thesis would imply that some of this underwent peer review. It didn’t.

His premise does indeed use the IQ = intelligence. He doesn’t devote nearly enough to the discussion of IQ measurement/applicability in this arena.

I would advise you save yourself the headache that will be caused by pounding your head into the desk on attempting to read it.

384 palomino  Thu, May 9, 2013 9:26:44pm

re: #286 sattv4u2

Looked like a response to a response to me. I doubt very much KT is a fan of VDARE, or anything like it

KT’s posts are now all one sentence of bizarre cryptic junk.

Is that really what you want to defend? People making passive-aggressive jokes about swastikas?

385 EPR-radar  Thu, May 9, 2013 9:26:50pm

re: #382 wheat-dogghazi

His chapter 2 is a defense of the IQ = intelligence thesis. Gould is cited because Richwine argues against Gould.

386 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, May 9, 2013 9:27:43pm

re: #383 klys

I got as far as this whopper in the introduction:

“for now, it is sufficient to state that IQ is a reliable and valid operational measure of general intelligence.”

FAIL. There is no consensus that IQ measures general intelligence. Murray and Jensen, of course, insist that there is such a correlation.

Yeah, maybe I’ll save reading this for another time, with a bottle of Scotch nearby.

387 klys  Thu, May 9, 2013 9:28:38pm

re: #386 wheat-dogghazi

I got as far as this whopper in the introduction:

FAIL. There is no consensus that IQ measures general intelligence. Murray and Jensen, of course, insist that there is such a correlation.

Yeah, maybe I’ll save reading this for another time, with a bottle of Scotch nearby.

I’m not sure there’s enough Scotch to make it palatable without also inducing alcohol poisoning. Even after what grad school does to one’s liver.

388 chadu  Fri, May 10, 2013 7:53:07am

re: #369 klys

“Eventually I had to pick a research problem or give up the advantages of being a student. I was sick of a school in which the pie was all meringue and no filling but I stuck as I knew how to cope with courses in which the answers are matters of opinion and the opinion that counts is that of the professor. And how to cope with those large-class evening lectures: Buy the lecture notes. Read everything that professor ever published. Don’t cut too often and when you do show up, get there early, sit front row center, be certain the prof catches your eye every time he looks your way-by never taking your eyes off him. Ask one question you know he can answer because you’ve picked it out of his published papers-and state your name in asking a question. Luckily ‘Zebadiah Carter’ is a name easy to remember. Family, I got straight ‘A’s’ in both required courses and seminars. .. because I did not study ‘education, ’ I studied professors of education.

“But I still had to make that ‘original contribution to human knowledge’ without which a candidate may not be awarded a doctor’s degree in most so called disciplines. .. and the few that don’t require it are a tough row to hoe.

“I studied my faculty committee before letting myself be tied down to a research problem. .. not only reading everything each had published but also buying their publications or paying the library to make copies of out-of-print papers. ”
[…]

“But me no ‘huts, ’ Pop. I have a copy of my dissertation; you can check its authenticity. While that paper totally lacks meaning it is a literary gem in the sense in which a successful forging of an ‘old master’ is itself a work of art. It is loaded with buzz words. The average length of sentences is eightyone words. The average word length, discounting ‘of, ’ ‘a, ’ ‘the, ’ and other syntactical particles, is eleven-plus letters in slightly under four syllables. The bibliography is longer than the dissertation and cites three papers of each member of my committee and four of the chairman, and those citations are quoted in part-while avoiding any mention of matters on which I knew that members of the committee held divergent (but equally stupid) opinions.

[…]

“Five months later I was awarded the degree of doctor of philosophy, summa cum laude, And that, dear ones, is the shameful story of my life, Anyone have the energy to go swimming?”

The Number of the Beast, Robert Heinlein

389 wrenchwench  Fri, May 10, 2013 9:05:04am

Belated thanks for the promotion, Charles.


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Who Is, or Was, the Greatest Martial Artist in History?I only got to the rank of 2nd degree black belt in Chinese & American Kenpo, so I am certainly no expert. I earned all my higher belts at American Karate Studios in Northeastern Ohio, and was a competitor on ...
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The Way We Regulate Self-Driving Cars Is Broken—here’s How to Fix It The key issue is this: the current system is built around an assumption that cars will be purchased and owned by customers. But the pioneers of the driverless world—including Waymo, Cruise, and Uber—are not planning to sell cars to ...
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Android’s Trust Problem Isn’t Getting Better Android security is largely failing due to a smorgasbord of issues and lies. Published today, a two-year study of Android security updates has revealed a distressing gap between the software patches Android companies claim to have on their devices ...
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Tour of the Moon in 4K Take a virtual tour of the Moon in all-new 4K resolution, thanks to data provided by NASA's Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter spacecraft. As the visualization moves around the near side, far side, north and south poles, we highlight interesting features, ...
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Vermont Governor Signs Sweeping Gun Control Measures Vermont Gov. Phil Scott on Wednesday signed sweeping gun control measures -- including limits on the size of magazines -- that the Legislature passed last month after contentious debate. The measures:-- Raise the minimum age for gun buyers to ...
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Roseanne Barr Is Tweeting About QAnon, a New Pizzagate-Style Conspiracy Theory Barr's been full metal Trump-loving wingnut in a social liberal suit for a long long time. This is why I would never watch her show, and why I won't be spending money with advertisers on her show once someone ...
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