Thursday Night Jam: Ben Folds Five - Draw a Crowd

I’m just sayin’
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Damn

I ordered something
it took a while
This morning something
was on my doorstep
What’s this I’m holding?
Time capsule order
cause I’m a brand new man
And I don’t think I want it, I don’t think I want it
A row of flags
Hanging behind me
A garden of mics and questions
And photo flashes blind me
And I’m so high I can’t recall my statements
I only know I made ‘em
Because my face vibrated

Is it all in my mind?
I could have sworn I saw it
I thought I was fine
So fine is what I called it

Oh-oh if you’re feeling small, and you can’t draw a crowd
Draw dicks on a wall
Oh-oh if you’re feeling small, and you can’t draw a crowd
Draw dicks on a wall

I was gruntled when It was just feet on gravel
To have come apart
I must have once been raveled
Now when pretty phrases
Don’t mean nothin
And I want to sell em
I sing the line again

So smooth you can hear the beard
So smooth you can hear the beard
(hear the beard)
Three times it’s poetry
So smooth you can hear the beard

Oh-oh if you’re feeling small, and you can’t draw a crowd
Draw dicks on a wall
Oh-oh if you’re feeling small, and you can’t draw a crowd
Draw dicks on a wall
If you can’t draw a crowd
Draw dicks on a wall

And if you can’t draw a crowd, settle for what you can draw

I’m just sayin’
I-I-I-I’m just sayin’
What a saying: that I’m just sayin’
But many wait, to what I’m saying
Always come back again, I can’t ignore it
I’m a brand new man, but I’m still payin’ for it

Oh-oh if you’re feeling small, and you can’t draw a crowd
Draw dicks on a wall
Oh-oh if you’re feeling small, and you can’t draw a crowd
Draw dicks on a wall
If you can’t draw a crowd, draw dicks on a wall
If you can’t draw a crowd, draw dicks on a wall

And if you can’t draw a crowd, settle for what you can draw

I only wanted to be Stevie Wonder
But I got to settle for this vanilla thunder
(If you can’t draw a crowd)
Oh-this vanilla thunder
(If you can’t draw a crowd)
Oh-this vanilla thunder
(If you can’t draw a crowd)
Taste my vanilla thunder
If you’re feeling small

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195 comments
1 sattv4u2  Thu, May 9, 2013 8:27:45pm

Seeing that this is a music-ish thread, i’ll repost this here

Ya Baby!!

Just scored two tickets to see Tony Bennett on May 31st !!!

8th row ,, center ,,,,

2 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, May 9, 2013 8:36:29pm

Good night all.

Sattv4u2? May you have as good a time at the last live show I went to. Good stuff :D

3 sattv4u2  Thu, May 9, 2013 8:38:44pm

re: #2 William Barnett-Lewis

Good night all.

Sattv4u2? May you have as good a time at the last live show I went to. Good stuff :D

Thanks

4 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, May 9, 2013 8:39:08pm

re: #1 sattv4u2

Seeing that this is a music-ish thread, i’ll repost this here

Ya Baby!!

Just scored two tickets to see Tony Bennett on May 31st !!!

8th row ,, center ,,,,

Tony Bennett is awesome. Have fun.

5 klys  Thu, May 9, 2013 8:39:50pm

I haven’t been to a live concert in ages. Last one was probably the taiko group Tao when they were stateside last year.

It was fantastic.

6 sattv4u2  Thu, May 9, 2013 8:45:49pm

re: #4 The Ghost of a Flea

Tony Bennett is awesome. Have fun.

Yes, i know

We saw him about 25 + years ago when we were still dating

7 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 9, 2013 8:51:28pm

re: #6 sattv4u2

Yes, i know

We saw him about 25 + years ago when we were still dating

[raises eyebrow]

8 klys  Thu, May 9, 2013 8:55:11pm

I’m going to lose all credibility here. Someone remind me who Tony Bennett is again?

Non-geek pop culture is not my forte.

9 sattv4u2  Thu, May 9, 2013 8:56:25pm

re: #7 Dark_Falcon

[raises eyebrow]

What confused you?

10 Gus  Thu, May 9, 2013 8:57:11pm

re: #8 klys

I’m going to lose all credibility here. Someone remind me who Tony Bennett is again?

Non-geek pop culture is not my forte.

11 sattv4u2  Thu, May 9, 2013 8:57:18pm

re: #8 klys

I’m going to lose all credibility here. Someone remind me who Tony Bennett is again?

Non-geek pop culture is not my forte.

One of the alltime great old school “crooners’

google.com

12 jaunte  Thu, May 9, 2013 8:57:56pm

re: #8 klys

Anthony Dominick Benedetto, 255th Infantry Regiment:
en.wikipedia.org

“His dining with a black friend from high school – at a time when the Army was still racially segregated – led to his being demoted and reassigned to Graves Registration Service duties.”

13 klys  Thu, May 9, 2013 8:58:21pm

re: #10 Gus

So how many points do I lose if I say I never heard that song before?

I would like to mark this as sarcasm but the only sarcasm bit would be regarding the points.

14 sattv4u2  Thu, May 9, 2013 8:59:15pm

re: #10 Gus

[Embedded content]

Of late, he’s been doing a series of “Duets’ with younger pop stars

15 Kragar  Thu, May 9, 2013 8:59:55pm

I posted this earlier, but decided to make a page of it as well. It just came out today.

William ‘Bib’ Bibbiani 1941-2013

Last night, a friend of my dad’s called to say he had some of his stuff he came across after a ride sometime. He had one of my dad’s original dog tags from when my dad was in the Marines which my dad had misplaced years ago. I showed it to my mom, but I’m keeping it for myself.

16 sattv4u2  Thu, May 9, 2013 9:00:21pm

And on that note, the long quiet drive home beckons

17 stabby  Thu, May 9, 2013 9:03:03pm

Every now and then I check Zombie’s fall into full racist derpism ( pjmedia.com ) to see if there’s anyone left at PJMedia who isn’t a racist whiner (answer, “no they’ve purged every last sane person”)

She(?) has the commenters she deserves, latest comment:


Richard Gibbard
To cure liberalism, simply inject 55 grains of copper-jacketed lead between the eyes of the infected. Repeat the dosage as necessary.
4 hours ago Thu May 09 16:15:20 PDT 2013 1

18 klys  Thu, May 9, 2013 9:03:14pm

re: #15 Kragar

I posted this earlier, but decided to make a page of it as well. It just came out today.

William ‘Bib’ Bibbiani 1941-2013

Last night, a friend of my dad’s called to say he had some of his stuff he came across after a ride sometime. He had one of my dad’s original dog tags from when my dad was in the Marines which my dad had misplaced years ago. I showed it to my mom, but I’m keeping it for myself.

Since your dad served, I’m assuming you may have the military portion of any ceremony?

One thing my mom did after my grandfather (dad’s dad) was buried was ask the folks who did the 21 gun salute for some of the cartridges (I think that’s the right term). That’s what I have to remember Grandpa by, along with one of his flannel shirts (which I wear all the time at home). It was really touching for us because of course there’s only the one flag (and my aunt gets it since she also served - they decided). And there were enough that we were able to give one to my grandfather’s sisters as well.

19 Kragar  Thu, May 9, 2013 9:09:08pm

re: #18 klys

He didn’t want any of that. The VA will be reimbursing my Mom for cremation costs and we’ll be having memorial services in mid-June. One will be for his mom, work and school friends over the years, his biker friends are organizing a memorial kegger for later that evening.

20 klys  Thu, May 9, 2013 9:11:34pm

re: #19 Kragar

Just wanted to pass on the suggestion, if it happened.

You’ve been in my thoughts the past few weeks, as I’m sure you have been for lots of lizards. I haven’t lost either of my parents yet (thank goodness) but I watched my dad go through this with both of his in the past few years and I spent a reasonable amount of time with him doing my best to be support.

{{Kragar}}

21 alpuz  Thu, May 9, 2013 9:16:39pm

re: #15 Kragar

22 goddamnedfrank  Thu, May 9, 2013 9:18:58pm

Oh Geez! Regarding the 3D printed pistol …

Download:
This file has been removed from public access at the request of the US Department of Defense Trade Controls. Until further notice, the United States government claims control of the information.

Hello US government, I’d like to introduce you to the Streisand Effect.

How does Bittorrent work again?

23 klys  Thu, May 9, 2013 9:19:12pm

Hey, EPR, out of personal curiosity, what emphasis in EE? My dad works for Bell Labs on optical transmission stuff.

24 Stanghazi  Thu, May 9, 2013 9:19:31pm

G’night!

25 stabby  Thu, May 9, 2013 9:21:23pm

re: #22 goddamnedfrank

… people want to print the worst quality gun in history?

I bet you can’t hit the broad side of a barn with that thing and it eventually blows up in your hand.

26 EPR-radar  Thu, May 9, 2013 9:23:10pm

re: #23 klys

Hey, EPR, out of personal curiosity, what emphasis in EE? My dad works for Bell Labs on optical transmission stuff.

Device physics, lasers and optics, mainly. Small world effect noted —- I grew up in NJ very close to Bell Labs. My parents didn’t work there, but some neighbors did.

27 klys  Thu, May 9, 2013 9:26:02pm

re: #26 EPR-radar

Device physics, lasers and optics, mainly. Small world effect noted —- I grew up in NJ very close to Bell Labs. My parents didn’t work there, but some neighbors did.

Haha, my dad worked at Holmdel until it closed. Mom worked there until she got laid off in 01. I have fond memories of the holiday parties - my godfather was the square dance caller.

28 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, May 9, 2013 9:26:19pm

re: #25 stabby

I don’t know, some of the early guns were kinda lame, and the Chauchat was almost junk.

29 Political Atheist  Thu, May 9, 2013 9:28:06pm

re: #22 goddamnedfrank

Oh Geez! Regarding the 3D printed pistol …

Hello US government, I’d like to introduce you to the Streisand Effect.

How does Bittorrent work again?

Which bothers you most, the “one shot special”, or the seizure? Well not just you…

30 EPR-radar  Thu, May 9, 2013 9:28:19pm

re: #27 klys

Haha, my dad worked at Holmdel until it closed. Mom worked there until she got laid off in 01. I have fond memories of the holiday parties - my godfather was the square dance caller.

It is a pity that the old-school Bell Labs (transistor and laser, IIRC) is a just another casualty of the present-day approach to business.

31 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 9, 2013 9:28:33pm

re: #22 goddamnedfrank

Oh Geez! Regarding the 3D printed pistol …

Hello US government, I’d like to introduce you to the Streisand Effect.

How does Bittorrent work again?

I should point out that the agency in question is actually part of the Department of State, not Defense. They are enforcing International Traffic in Arms Regulations (ITAR), and that is the main objective. That the data is out already isn’t going to stop the government from upholding its regulations.

32 Gus  Thu, May 9, 2013 9:29:08pm

re: #13 klys

So how many points do I lose if I say I never heard that song before?

I would like to mark this as sarcasm but the only sarcasm bit would be regarding the points.

I suppose that can happen. I was exposed to Bennett through my dad. Of course, having lived in SF for a while it was impossible to miss.

33 klys  Thu, May 9, 2013 9:30:25pm

re: #30 EPR-radar

It is a pity that the old-school Bell Labs (transistor and laser, IIRC) is a just another casualty of the present-day approach to business.

THIS. This this this. Times a million.

I watched its death and it was terrible. Absolutely heartbreaking. I don’t know how my dad manages to still work there, except that I am the oldest of three and not the youngest of three, and there are still two siblings on my parents’ health insurance.

34 klys  Thu, May 9, 2013 9:31:48pm

re: #32 Gus

I suppose that can happen. I was exposed to Bennett through my dad. Of course, having lived in SF for a while it was impossible to miss.

My dad likes big band and then more pop/rock oldies. My mom likes classical. Mom got control of the radio on Sundays, Dad the rest of the time.

I grew up liking movie soundtracks, new age, and heavy metal. So.

35 Gus  Thu, May 9, 2013 9:34:01pm

re: #33 klys

THIS. This this this. Times a million.

I watched its death and it was terrible. Absolutely heartbreaking. I don’t know how my dad manages to still work there, except that I am the oldest of three and not the youngest of three, and there are still two siblings on my parents’ health insurance.

RT 1

36 EPR-radar  Thu, May 9, 2013 9:36:01pm

re: #33 klys

THIS. This this this. Times a million.

I watched its death and it was terrible. Absolutely heartbreaking. I don’t know how my dad manages to still work there, except that I am the oldest of three and not the youngest of three, and there are still two siblings on my parents’ health insurance.

And then someone like Carly Fiorina get the really big bucks for presiding over this decline. If I had ever worked at Bell Labs, that would have driven me crazy.

At least she self-funded a CA Senate run that went nowhere.

37 klys  Thu, May 9, 2013 9:36:10pm

re: #35 Gus

RT 1

I have secret hopes that maybe Obamacare’s health care exchanges will allow my dad to retire.

It’s unlikely, but I want him to retire so he can start taking care of himself and stop working 60+ hour weeks for people who don’t appreciate him at all.

38 klys  Thu, May 9, 2013 9:36:34pm

re: #36 EPR-radar

And then someone like Carly Fiorina get the really big bucks for presiding over this decline. If I had ever worked at Bell Labs, that would have driven me crazy.

At least she self-funded a CA Senate run that went nowhere.

I voted against her!

39 EPR-radar  Thu, May 9, 2013 9:37:25pm

re: #38 klys

I voted against her!

I voted against the (R). The fact that I was also voting against Carly just sweetened the deal.

40 klys  Thu, May 9, 2013 9:38:09pm

re: #39 EPR-radar

I voted against the (R). The fact that I was also voting against Carly just sweetened the deal.

Well, yes. The Republicans I would vote for are a dying breed, if not extinct.

And none of them run for national office.

41 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 9, 2013 9:39:41pm

Goodnight, all.

42 klys  Thu, May 9, 2013 9:40:13pm

I married a registered Republican (so he can vote in the Republican primary for sane ones - hah) who has given money to the Libertarian party. Which means I get phone calls from the Republicans begging for money (I tell them that I am the wrong spouse to talk to, he just hangs up) and the Libertarians looking for him to run for local office.

Despite the fact that I have donated to Obama and the anti-Prop 8 efforts, the phone has never rung for me.

I know which is more likely to induce me to give money.

43 Gus  Thu, May 9, 2013 9:42:18pm

re: #37 klys

I have secret hopes that maybe Obamacare’s health care exchanges will allow my dad to retire.

It’s unlikely, but I want him to retire so he can start taking care of himself and stop working 60+ hour weeks for people who don’t appreciate him at all.

My folks are getting along fine since they retired through the traditional methods. That includes health care. Middle class.

44 goddamnedfrank  Thu, May 9, 2013 9:44:42pm

re: #29 Political Atheist

Which bothers you most, the “one shot special”, or the seizure? Well not just you…

Putting aside for the moment the impossibility of getting the genie back in the bottle, this is really trivial to reproduce information for the government try and label as classified technical data. The Defense Distributed guys couldn’t have bought a better publicity campaign.

Though at 5.85Gb the file is going to be a lot harder to print on a t-shirt than DeCSS code.

Maybe a really big t-shirt.

45 klys  Thu, May 9, 2013 9:48:28pm

re: #43 Gus

My folks are getting along fine since they retired through the traditional methods. That includes health care. Middle class.

Oh, my folks will be fine if they wait for my dad to be 65 to retire. But even if they were eligible for Medicare now, my sisters couldn’t be covered under that.

The baby had her appendix out last summer.

If the exchanges provide a way for my sisters to get coverage at a reasonable cost, as well as my parents, I think they’ll go for it, and then my mom might have some success at convincing my dad to at least go for a consulting position instead of working 60+ hours a week every week. At most he might stretch it until the baby graduates college, which is another two years.

But I want him to have the time to actually take care of himself, because he doesn’t have time to exercise right now. I want my dad around for a long time to come yet. The sooner he can take care of himself, the better. It’s not a guarantee, but it helps.

46 klys  Thu, May 9, 2013 9:48:56pm

re: #44 goddamnedfrank

Putting aside for the moment the impossibility of getting the genie back in the bottle, this is really trivial to reproduce information for the government try and label as classified technical data. The Distributed Defense guys couldn’t have bought a better publicity campaign.

Though at 5.85Gb the file is going to be a lot harder to print on a T-shirt than DeCSS code.

Maybe a really big t-shirt.

I think my husband has one of those t-shirts. The DeCSS ones.

47 goddamnedfrank  Thu, May 9, 2013 9:49:59pm

re: #46 klys

I think my husband has one of those t-shirts. The DeCSS ones.

48 klys  Thu, May 9, 2013 9:50:40pm

re: #47 goddamnedfrank

[Embedded content]

Well, if I told you we met playing World of Warcraft…

49 Gus  Thu, May 9, 2013 9:51:48pm

IBM used to be all over New York. My dad got hired by Dennison Mfg. as a copier tech. They sent him to Framingham, Mass. for training. Eventually a company car and health/dental for the whole family. Didn’t last forever. I’m not sure if he covered Bell Labs area. A lot of it was around McGuire/Fort Dix. Cherry Hill. One uncle worked at Merck. Another was a nuclear engineer for Westinghouse for many years. That was in Pittsburgh.

50 klys  Thu, May 9, 2013 9:53:17pm

re: #49 Gus

IBM used to be all over New York. My dad got hired by Dennison Mfg. as a copier tech. They sent him to Framingham, Mass. for training. Eventually a company car and health/dental for the whole family. Didn’t last forever. I’m not sure if he covered Bell Labs area. A lot of it was around McGuire/Fort Dix. Cherry Hill. One uncle worked at Merck. Another was a nuclear engineer for Westinghouse for many years. That was in Pittsburgh.

My father-in-law is ex-IBM. Probably more a contemporary of your dad than my dad is.

The US model for healthcare remains fucked up.

51 goddamnedfrank  Thu, May 9, 2013 9:53:33pm

re: #48 klys

Well, if I told you we met playing World of Warcraft…

My Rage meter is full again.

//

52 Kragar  Thu, May 9, 2013 9:54:14pm

re: #51 goddamnedfrank

My Rage meter is full again.

//

POP ALL YOUR COOL DOWNS!

53 klys  Thu, May 9, 2013 9:54:25pm

re: #51 goddamnedfrank

My Rage meter is full again.

//

Kekeke…

/inside joke

Although the meeting via WoW would be serious. So for all the game’s faults I can’t fault it too much.

54 Kragar  Thu, May 9, 2013 9:56:41pm

re: #53 klys

Kekeke…

/inside joke

Although the meeting via WoW would be serious. So for all the game’s faults I can’t fault it too much.

55 klys  Thu, May 9, 2013 9:58:33pm

re: #54 Kragar

[Embedded content]

I see your video and raise you a classic:

56 Gus  Thu, May 9, 2013 10:00:14pm

We need more IQ tests!

57 klys  Thu, May 9, 2013 10:01:29pm

How to make everyone hate you:

58 Kragar  Thu, May 9, 2013 10:03:17pm

re: #56 Gus

We need more IQ tests!

Image: schoolforthegifted.jpg

59 EPR-radar  Thu, May 9, 2013 10:03:53pm

re: #56 Gus

We need more IQ tests!

Sure. Take Charles Murray and a few fellow travelers with their IQ tests, and dump them off in an isolated jungle tribe. Assuming they can overcome the language barriers to give their tests, I can’t imagine any reason why those test results would correlate with success in living in that environment.

60 klys  Thu, May 9, 2013 10:04:07pm

re: #57 klys

How to make everyone hate you:

[Embedded content]

I trained my sisters to do this at dinner. I think my mother wanted to strangle me for a month.

61 Gus  Thu, May 9, 2013 10:09:25pm

Jason Richwine is a fucking idiot. Oh, and I have an IQ somewhere in the range of 127-135 and I’m from Argentina (FOB) with parents that have thick Spanish accents.

62 Gus  Thu, May 9, 2013 10:11:54pm

I look forward to the IQ test results from rural white Alabama.

63 goddamnedfrank  Thu, May 9, 2013 10:13:51pm

Way off, the entire file is apparently 6.2MB, not GB, 2MB zipped. I wish the US Government much luck trying to keep a lid on that.

64 Kragar  Thu, May 9, 2013 10:16:45pm

re: #63 goddamnedfrank

Way off, the entire file is apparently 6.2MB, not GB, 2MB zipped. I wish the US Government much luck trying to keep a lid on that.

More likely, they wish to establish a precedence for a violation of technology export procedures, where they can force the original company to pay a fine and make them serve as an example to prevent other companies from posting other more advanced designs.

65 klys  Thu, May 9, 2013 10:18:54pm

Up to my 4th earthquake since moving to the bumpy coast. Time to go fill out a survey.

66 Gus  Thu, May 9, 2013 10:21:35pm
67 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, May 9, 2013 10:23:53pm

re: #61 Gus

Jason Richwine is a fucking idiot. Oh, and I have an IQ somewhere in the range of 127-135 and I’m from Argentina (FOB) with parents that have thick Spanish accents.

I’m not as clever/educated as others on this board, but it seems to me there’s a huge issue with his thesis when he’s using statistics to leap to an attribution about gene-based intelligence in “Hispanics,” a linguistic/cultural grouping that actually has an incredibly broad and varied ethnic/racial makeup.

Addendum: By which I mean, there’s a really basic, superficial issue with his train of thought that suggests he’s not even trying to honest. As in, he’s a shitheel, as are the people backing him.

68 engineer cat  Thu, May 9, 2013 10:25:05pm

re: #66 Gus

Sample IQ test.

i think my IQ is ‘sample’ quality. maybe a bit shopworn, too

69 Gus  Thu, May 9, 2013 10:26:24pm

re: #67 The Ghost of a Flea

I’m not as clever/educated as others on this board, but it seems to me there’s a huge issue with his thesis when he’s using statistics to leap to an attribution about gene-based intelligence in “Hispanics,” a linguistic/cultural grouping that actually has an incredibly broad and varied ethnic/racial makeup.

You want to know what I was thinking while paging through that garbage thesis from Jason Richwine? Nazis. The 3rd Reich.

70 goddamnedfrank  Thu, May 9, 2013 10:26:48pm

re: #64 Kragar

More likely, they wish to establish a precedence for a violation of technology export procedures, where they can force the original company to pay a fine and make them serve as an example to prevent other companies from posting other more advanced designs.

Force who to pay a fine? DD immediately complied with the court’s request and there’s no reason to believe that information can legally be retroactively classified. They weren’t selling the plans or working for the US government, so the usual routes to go after a breach in an ongoing classified project aren’t in play.

Balance that against the risk that sooner or later, now or on appeal some court may well eventually tell State to go pound sand, leaving DD with not only a precedent in their favor but a vastly increased celebrity Q factor.

Again, the Streisand Effect. Strategically, politically, pragmatically, I have strong doubts about the wisdom of this move.

71 Gus  Thu, May 9, 2013 10:28:42pm

The statistical construct known as IQ can reliably estimate general mental ability, or intelligence. The average IQ of immigrants in the United States is substantially lower than that of the white native population, and the difference is likely to persist over several generations. The consequences are a lack of socioeconomic assimilation among low-IQ immigrant groups, more underclass behavior, less social trust, and an increase in the proportion of unskilled workers in the American labor market. Selecting high-IQ immigrants would ameliorate these problems in the U.S., while at the same time benefiting smart potential immigrants who lack educational access in their home countries.

72 Gus  Thu, May 9, 2013 10:29:49pm

Ironically most right wingers are fucking retarded.

73 engineer cat  Thu, May 9, 2013 10:30:41pm

IQ Test Established For American Citizenship

membership in republican party rises sharply in mexico and canada

74 klys  Thu, May 9, 2013 10:30:59pm

Once again, the most ironic line in what’s-his-name’s thesis:

For example, a person’s IQ affects his likelihood of completing college, but some college graduates are not very smart.

75 Kragar  Thu, May 9, 2013 10:31:37pm

re: #70 goddamnedfrank

Force who to pay a fine? DD immediately complied with the court’s request and there’s no reason to believe that information can legally be retroactively classified. They weren’t selling the plans or working for the US government, so the usual routes to go after a breach in an ongoing classified project aren’t in play.

Balance that against the risk that sooner or later, now or on appeal some court may well eventually tell State to go pound sand, leaving DD with not only a precedent in their favor but a vastly increased celebrity Q factor.

Again, the Streisand Effect. Strategically, politically, pragmatically, I have strong doubts about the wisdom of this move.

Why post something when you know you’re going to have the State Dept slap an injunction right away and you risk having to face legal action unless you’re just trying to get it into the courts? Which actual business is going to take that risk?

76 Single-handed sailor  Thu, May 9, 2013 10:31:55pm

This is cool, fascinating, scary, and informative. Timelapse of the Earth over the last 30 Years.

77 stabby  Thu, May 9, 2013 10:32:04pm

re: #72 Gus

Ironically most right wingers all racists are fucking retarded.

Fixed.
They’re also boring and creepy.

78 klys  Thu, May 9, 2013 10:32:47pm

re: #74 klys

Also, I remain bitter as hell that he got a Ph.D. for this bullshit.

At least mine isn’t from Harvard.

79 goddamnedfrank  Thu, May 9, 2013 10:37:54pm

re: #75 Kragar

Why post something when you know you’re going to have the State Dept slap an injunction right away and you risk having to face legal action unless you’re just trying to get it into the courts? Which actual business is going to take that risk?

Well, I’m honestly not sure they though that about the export controls at all. They made all efforts to comply with domestic federal law, by placing the metal slug into the gun to comply with the undetectable firearms law. Anyway it’s pretty clear that they’re strong 1st and 2nd Amendment defenders, so the free distribution of ostensibly legal information is probably their overriding concern.

The first blog I used to spend a lot of time on was a project created by Apollomedia (now defunct) run by Clinton Fein. They sued Janet Reno over the Communications Decency Act, went all the way to the Supreme Court and got a partial victory. A lot of businesses are set up first and foremost along ideological grounds, if they can figure out how to make a profit off their skills later then that’s just gravy.

80 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, May 9, 2013 10:39:38pm

re: #67 The Ghost of a Flea

I’m not as clever/educated as others on this board, but it seems to me there’s a huge issue with his thesis when he’s using statistics to leap to an attribution about gene-based intelligence in “Hispanics,” a linguistic/cultural grouping that actually has an incredibly broad and varied ethnic/racial makeup.

Addendum: By which I mean, there’s a really basic, superficial issue with his train of thought that suggests he’s not even trying to honest. As in, he’s a shitheel, as are the people backing him.

It sounds very much like “kinism,” mentioned elsewhere here. He seems to have the notion that all Spanish-speaking people are a homogeneous group, with similar backgrounds, educational levels and cultures. Needless to say, they aren’t at all like that.

The thesis is just fancy window-dressing to say “brown people are dumber than white people and I’ve got carefully selected evidence to support it.”

What do we know about Richwine’s background?

81 Gus  Thu, May 9, 2013 10:43:09pm

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82 Gus  Thu, May 9, 2013 10:43:22pm

Hmm.

83 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, May 9, 2013 10:44:23pm

re: #80 wheat-dogghazi

It sounds very much like “kinism,” mentioned elsewhere here. He seems to have the notion that all Spanish-speaking people are a homogeneous group, with similar backgrounds, educational levels and cultures. Needless to say, they aren’t at all like that.

The thesis is just fancy window-dressing to say “brown people are dumber than white people and I’ve got carefully selected evidence to support it.”

What do we know about Richwine’s background?

Check out last thread. A bunch of people were picking at aspects of Richwine’s prior work and his affiliations…which are other nativist/racist thinkers.

The short version is that his thesis and this latest immigration-cost estimate thing both seem shoddy. The latter is clearly a manipulation of numbers to maximize the cost…really, really transparently so. His thesis, which is the IQ thing, seems suspect.

Addendum: by suspect, I mean, those on this board who’ve received graduates degrees are skeptical of whether the conclusions match the data, that IQ is a meaningful measure of functional intelligence such that the premise is solid, that there’s a bunch of unjustified and uncited statements that build the conclusion. And stuff like what I pointed out above, that he’s using stat stuff to make an assessment about genetics, which is a giant assumption that doesn’t pass a smell test.

84 Gus  Thu, May 9, 2013 10:44:52pm
85 klys  Thu, May 9, 2013 10:52:22pm

re: #84 Gus

I do look forward to seeing Harvard’s response on the matter.

I can’t imagine that some of their more *ahem* liberal alum are taking this sitting down. And they exist, I promise you.

86 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, May 9, 2013 10:57:04pm

re: #83 The Ghost of a Flea

I meant his family background, where he grew up, etc. I’m already clear on his political and social affiliations.

As for his thesis, I haven’t read it closely yet, but a cursory glance leaves me unimpressed. I teach writing, and have been a writer, and his paper is only so-so. Many undergraduates could have done a similar, if not better job than he has.

But I guess it’s his entry visa into Rightwing Welfare Machine Land. Guy may never need to work a real job for the rest of his life.

87 Kragar  Thu, May 9, 2013 10:59:28pm

World of Warcraft loses 1.3 million players in three months

According to the company, most of those departures were players in the East, though a significant number of Western players left as well. All told, the game now has about 8.3 million paying customers — down from 9.6 million in February — and Activision CEO Bobby Kotick admits that number is bound to drop even further.

“While we do believe further declines are likely, and we expect to have fewer subscribers in a year then we do today, World of Warcraft remains one of the most successful franchises in the history of entertainment,” he said.

88 klys  Thu, May 9, 2013 11:00:38pm

re: #86 wheat-dogghazi

As for his thesis, I haven’t read it yet, but a cursory glance leaves me unimpressed. I teach writing, and have been a writer, and his paper is only so-so. Many undergraduates could have done a similar, if not better job than he has.

My high school English teachers would have taken issue with it. Let alone the editor of an actual science journal.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. Fun saying, but something to remember especially when asserting something that will be controversial. His method of proof, however, involves handwaving of the “that is too complicated to be covered in this paper” sort.

I remain unimpressed. Sadly, you’re right on the “never needs to work a real job” again bit (although his version of grad school (4 research assistants!) doesn’t even qualify as a real job on the first go-around).

(((I might be a grad school snob.)))

((((I clearly chose the wrong specialty.))))

89 klys  Thu, May 9, 2013 11:01:41pm

re: #87 Kragar

My husband unsubscribed in December. I keep saying I might go back at some point.

90 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, May 9, 2013 11:05:29pm
But I guess it’s his entry visa into Rightwing Welfare Machine Land. Guy may never need to work a real job for the rest of his life.

AEI and Heritage both maintain stables of academics that churn out partisan crap, but with the frills and ruffles of scholarly legitimacy. Like, they exist to create a counterfeit “intellectual” side for far-right policy positions.

AEI put this guy through graduate school. He’s their dogsbody.

91 Kragar  Thu, May 9, 2013 11:06:32pm

re: #89 klys

My husband unsubscribed in December. I keep saying I might go back at some point.

I quit towards the end of the Lich King expansion.

I’m waiting for Elder Scrolls Online to really get back into MMOs. I’ve been casually player SW:OTR for the last couple weeks with my wife.

92 Gus  Thu, May 9, 2013 11:06:42pm

re: #90 The Ghost of a Flea

AEI and Heritage both maintain stables of academics that churn out partisan crap, but with the frills and ruffles of scholarly legitimacy. Like, they exist to create a counterfeit “intellectual” side for far-right policy positions.

AEI put this guy through graduate school. He’s their dogsbody.

Yeah, but they’re just like the Center for American Progress. //

93 goddamnedfrank  Thu, May 9, 2013 11:10:02pm

What the Defense Distributed guys really remind me of is Avi from Neal Stephanson’s Cryptonomicon, with his HEAP (Holocaust Education and Avoidance Pod.) Of course there’s a scene later in the book where Doug Shaftoe gives his critique on the concept, and it seems apropos here:

Doug is in the middle of saying something, and is not the type to interrupt his train of thought and fall all over himself being friendly just because Randy has recently traversed the Pacific Ocean. “I never knew my father,” he says, “but my Filipino uncles used to tell me stories that he had told. When he was on Guadalcanal, they—the Marines—were still using their Springfields, the ought-three model, so four decades old—when finally the M-1 rifle began to show up. So they took one of each rifle and tossed it into the water and rolled it around in the sand for a while and did God knows what else to it—but nothing that would be unusual in a real combat situation, for a Marine—and then tried to operate them and found that the ought-three still worked and the M-1 didn’t. So they stuck to their Springfields. And I would say that some testing along those lines would be in order if you think you are really designing an insurgency weapon, as you say.

“What do you think of the HEAP gun?” Cantrell asks.

“I don’t think it’s as crazy as when I first heard of it,” Doug says, “but if your friend Avi thinks that people are going to be able to manufacture rifled gun barrels in their basements to protect themselves against ethnic cleansing, he’s got another thing coming.”

“Rifled barrels are hard,” Cantrell says. “There’s no way around it. They’d have to be stockpiled and smuggled. But the idea is that anyone who downloaded the HEAP, and who had access to some basic machine tools, could build the rest of the weapon.”

“I need to sit down with you sometime and explain everything else that’s wrong with the idea,” Doug says.

94 klys  Thu, May 9, 2013 11:10:32pm

re: #91 Kragar

I quit towards the end of the Lich King expansion.

I’m waiting for Elder Scrolls Online to really get back into MMOs. I’ve been casually player SW:OTR for the last couple weeks with my wife.

We have dabbled in SW:TOR and LotRO. Asheron’s Call, of all things, has been the latest installation (he played pre-WoW).

I don’t know what game will really pull us in next. I stay semi-active in WoW mostly to retain the guild we met in (I ended up guild leader) and because I like the minipets. But the guild definitely gave me a bunch of good friends in addition to him - seeing a bunch when they go to ComicCon later this year (I’m heading down but not attending).

95 Kragar  Thu, May 9, 2013 11:14:26pm

re: #94 klys

We have dabbled in SW:TOR and LotRO. Asheron’s Call, of all things, has been the latest installation (he played pre-WoW).

I don’t know what game will really pull us in next. I stay semi-active in WoW mostly to retain the guild we met in (I ended up guild leader) and because I like the minipets. But the guild definitely gave me a bunch of good friends in addition to him - seeing a bunch when they go to ComicCon later this year (I’m heading down but not attending).

We were actually in a pretty decent guild for a while which kind of self destructed and fell apart when we lost a few key players. I quit a few months after that.

I’m actually hoping the rumors of the Fallout MMO actually come to pass. I’ve given up on the 40k MMO ever coming out.

96 klys  Thu, May 9, 2013 11:17:04pm

re: #95 Kragar

We were actually in a pretty decent guild for a while which kind of self destructed and fell apart when we lost a few key players. I quit a few months after that.

I’m actually hoping the rumors of the Fallout MMO actually come to pass. I’ve given up on the 40k MMO ever coming out.

A good guild with consistent players makes all the difference. Good luck finding one though. :/ As a self-admitted introvert it is the hardest thing. On the bright side we play a tank/healer combo so getting groups was pretty easy.

97 klys  Thu, May 9, 2013 11:18:20pm

re: #95 Kragar

Also, if it weren’t for the fact that I knew the Andrew in my guild was single and had a different last name I would ask if you played on Lightbringer. ;)

98 Kragar  Thu, May 9, 2013 11:20:56pm

re: #96 klys

A good guild with consistent players makes all the difference. Good luck finding one though. :/ As a self-admitted introvert it is the hardest thing. On the bright side we play a tank/healer combo so getting groups was pretty easy.

Yeah, that is how the wife and I played. We had alts so either one of us could tank or heal. I had a Tauren Warrior and a Shaman. She had a Belf Pally and Priest.

In SW:OTR, we’ve been running 2 Bounty hunters, I’m running a Powertech, she is running a Merc.

99 Gus  Thu, May 9, 2013 11:21:31pm
100 klys  Thu, May 9, 2013 11:26:37pm

re: #98 Kragar

Yeah, that is how the wife and I played. We had alts so either one of us could tank or heal. I had a Tauren Warrior and a Shaman. She had a Belf Pally and Priest.

In SW:OTR, we’ve been running 2 Bounty hunters, I’m running a Powertech, she is running a Merc.

We ran a pair of druids for the longest time. :) I was resto, he was feral. Then he got some monk action in there with Pandaria, but it took a nose-dive between him not liking the endgame and me having a thesis to write.

We haven’t gotten back to TOR since it went free-to-play, but we should. If nothing else, I want to see where the character story-arcs go. I might have one of each, essentially.

101 freetoken  Thu, May 9, 2013 11:28:15pm

re: #99 Gus

Sony doesn’t want LGF embedding that video.

Anyway, Muskogee is an interesting city: more ethnically diverse than many small great plains towns:

The racial makeup of the city was 61.12% White, 17.90% African American, 12.34% Native American, 0.90% Asian, 0.02% Pacific Islander, 1.57% from other races, and 6.16% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 3.28% of the population.

Interesting factoid: the city is in a river valley and at a lower elevation than much of Oklahoma, giving it a warmer temperature and longer growing season.

102 Kragar  Thu, May 9, 2013 11:29:07pm

Got to go to bed, getting up early tomorrow to help my mom some more before I drive back down to SD around lunchtime.

103 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, May 9, 2013 11:30:29pm

re: #88 klys

I’ve read a little further, even without Scotch nearby.

From Richwine, page 4:

… the material environment and genes probably make the greatest contributions to IQ differences.

Brilliant deduction, Sherlock! As if no one has concluded this before, even without a fancypants Ivy education.

First, low IQ is a likely underlying cause of the Hispanic underclass, since a natural impetus to disengage from the cultural mainstream is the inability to succeed at the same level.

Thus, totally ignoring other more likely, extant factors (such as environment — see his own previous paragraph — or poor education in American schools) preventing this so-called underclass from “fitting in.”

He also ignores another aspect of Hispanic immigration into America. They are changing American culture. Rather than shedding their culture to join WASP-land, the Hispanic presence in America is changing mainstream culture to be more inclusive. Richwine is imagining American culture as some kind of unchanging, concrete monolith, rather than the fluid creature it has been for the past three centuries.

104 klys  Thu, May 9, 2013 11:30:43pm

Tonight’s earthquake: not so big.

Hey, I grew up where things don’t move. I’ll take what I can get.

105 Gus  Thu, May 9, 2013 11:31:08pm
106 klys  Thu, May 9, 2013 11:32:59pm

re: #103 wheat-dogghazi

I promise you, there is only more pain to come.

107 Gus  Thu, May 9, 2013 11:33:21pm

On a dark desert highway, cool wind in my hair
Warm smell of colitas, rising up through the air
Up ahead in the distance, I saw a shimmering light
My head grew heavy and my sight grew dim
I had to stop for the night
There she stood in the doorway;
I heard the mission bell
And I was thinking to myself,
“This could be Heaven or this could be Hell”
Then she lit up a candle and she showed me the way
There were voices down the corridor,
I thought I heard them say…

108 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, May 9, 2013 11:33:25pm

re: #105 Gus

One of the most frequently found videos in Chinese KTVs (karaoke clubs) is a live version of this song, complete with the lengthy guitar solo intro and bridge.

109 klys  Thu, May 9, 2013 11:34:23pm

re: #108 wheat-dogghazi

One of the most frequently found videos in Chinese KTVs (karaoke clubs) is a live version of this song, complete with the lengthy guitar solo intro and bridge.

One of my goals for my next trip to Japan is to drag my husband to a Japanese karaoke club.

I’m too embarrassed to do English karaoke.

110 freetoken  Thu, May 9, 2013 11:34:48pm

Meanwhile, over in that part of the world we don’t really care about:

Bangladesh building collapse death toll tops 1,000

The death toll from the catastrophic collapse of a Bangladesh factory building, the world’s worst industrial accident since the Bhopal disaster in India in 1984, climbed above 1,000 and more bodies might still be trapped inside as rescuers struggle to end the salvage operation.

More than two weeks after the accident, bodies were still being pulled from the rubble of the Rana Plaza complex, and on Friday a spokesman at the army control room coordinating the operation said the number of people confirmed to have been killed had reached 1,038.

[…]

And I wonder why I’ve become so numb to the “news” as presented in this country. We have an entire blogging industry churning out hate and faux-outrages 24/7, trying to persecute a victim of bombing in Boston just because he is from the Arabian peninsula… while a thousand people die just because people would rather pay $10 for a shirt from Wallyworld rather than spend $20 for a garment made in a country with enforced labor standards.

111 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, May 9, 2013 11:37:40pm

re: #109 klys

One of my goals for my next trip to Japan is to drag my husband to a Japanese karaoke club.

I’m too embarrassed to do English karaoke.

I haven’t tried Japanese KTV yet, but I imagine it’s like China’s. Rather than performing solo in front of a bunch of (drunken) strangers in a bar, you can perform solo with a bunch of your (drunken) friends in a private room. You will then discover that most of your friends can’t sing worth a damn either.

112 klys  Thu, May 9, 2013 11:38:30pm

re: #111 wheat-dogghazi

I haven’t tried Japanese KTV yet, but I imagine it’s like China’s. Rather than performing solo in front of a bunch of (drunken) strangers in a bar, you can perform solo with a bunch of your (drunken) friends in a private room. You will then discover that most of your friends can’t sing worth a damn either.

Yep. Exactly it.

It becomes a fun time rather than public embarrassment. Essentially, the only way my husband will ever sing for me.

113 Single-handed sailor  Thu, May 9, 2013 11:41:50pm

re: #104 klys

Tonight’s earthquake: not so big.

Hey, I grew up where things don’t move. I’ll take what I can get.

I felt nothing near the Concord airport. A 3.5 would have to be within 15 miles for me to feel it.

114 klys  Thu, May 9, 2013 11:42:46pm

re: #113 Single-handed sailor

I felt nothing near the Concord airport. A 3.5 would have to be within 15 miles for me to feel it.

I was sitting on the couch.

That’s my defense.

115 klys  Thu, May 9, 2013 11:49:58pm

Ok, how bad is it that it took me until now to place KT’s earlier comment tonight as “Allah ackbar” (sic) instead of referencing Admiral Ackbar from Star Wars?

116 Single-handed sailor  Thu, May 9, 2013 11:52:39pm

re: #114 klys

I was sitting on the couch.

That’s my defense.

I’ve lived around here for a long time. I’m jaded, but if I do feel one I guess where and how big then I check the magnitude and location online. I’m pretty dam accurate. If it’s close it will have lots up and down motion, farther away it will have more of a side to side motion. You can guess direction of the quake by which directions the ground moves.

117 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, May 9, 2013 11:53:37pm

With the continued intimation of the Libyan Gov’t by MB-aligned militias, we should consider having Libya and Morocco join NATO. Like Italy and Albania, they are on the Mediterranean, and by extension, the North Atlantic. In addition, like the Baltic states, and Albania, they are under-strength and threatened by others.

118 freetoken  Thu, May 9, 2013 11:53:46pm

Ok, so we don’t care about the lives of millions of brown people living in squalor.

What then, pray tell, do we as a society really care about?

This:

The Teen Mom Sex Tape Is the Rare Porn Targeted at Young Women

I haven’t watched Backdoor Teen Mom, the 70-minute pornographic film starring MTV Teen Mom reality star Farrah Abraham and porn star James Deen that was released by Vivid Entertainment this week. But I’ve been following the media narrative around the video obsessively, and the reports spurting out of TMZ play like a whodunit of sexual shaming: Who can be blamed for this porn they all made?

Here’s what happened: Abraham approached the adult entertainment company Vivid to make a porn flick. They arranged to present the flick as a leaked sex tape; they’d pretend the male actor was Abraham’s boyfriend. But after the tape was “leaked,” James Deen, the male lead, refused to lie. When asked, he confirmed he and Abraham were not dating. Abraham retaliated by telling tabloids that Deen “does not respect women” and adding, of his penis: “I haven’t seen many, but his is definitely not big.” When he failed to respond in kind—his demonstrably enormous penis speaks for itself—Abraham announced that she had received a “threatening” email from a person claiming to be Deen. (It was not). Upon the film’s release, Abraham tweeted, “I can’t believe the one time I have sex in the past year has turned in to this #UNREAL,” then retweeted a stream of positive reviews from viewers. The actress reportedly earned six figures for her pornographic and tabloid performances.

The interesting thing about this inane story is the audience for the tabloid plotline and the accompanying video. Backdoor Teen Mom is the rare mainstream porn flick targeted at young women, the group that composes the fandoms of both James Deen and Teen Mom. (As Deen revealed in an interview this week, the film was also directed by a woman). Its target viewers are even more interested in the fraught sexual context of the film than they are its actual sexual content.

Young women may not typically buy porn—on the Internet, they don’t have to—but they’re more socially invested in it than any other group of viewers. On the constantly refreshing hive mind that is the James Deen Tumblr tag, fans trade Deen quotes, fully-clothed photos, and industry gossip as frequently as they do actual porn clips. […]

I pity the young men today who have to date young women who have been programmed into thinking porn stars are the average male.

This Farrah Abraham thing seems to be the hot thing today in the fast paced world of social media. No wonder my Pages of boring old climatology don’t get the hits they used to.

119 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, May 9, 2013 11:55:01pm

re: #115 klys

Ok, how bad is it that it took me until now to place KT’s earlier comment tonight as “Allah ackbar” (sic) instead of referencing Admiral Ackbar from Star Wars?

I always think of this guy. Because I’m always a bit confused about a guy who’s name means Great, whose epithet in English is “the Great.” So Great the Great.

120 klys  Thu, May 9, 2013 11:55:39pm

re: #116 Single-handed sailor

I’ve lived around here for a long time. I’m jaded, but if I do feel one I guess where and how big then I check the magnitude and location online. I’m pretty dam accurate. If it’s close it will have lots up and down motion, farther away it will have more of a side to side motion. You can guess direction of the quake by which directions the ground moves.

If we would start averaging more than 2/3s an earthquake a year…

//

I wouldn’t have guessed this as one except I was sitting down and the cats aren’t capable of moving this sofa. So I noticed the time and checked the site and sure enough, there it showed up eventually.

121 Single-handed sailor  Thu, May 9, 2013 11:57:37pm

re: #116 Single-handed sailor

… and San Ramon likes to have swarm quakes every 10-15 years or so. They are magnitude 4.5 and they happen over weeks/months. There’s about 6-10 total, each time.

122 klys  Fri, May 10, 2013 12:00:35am

re: #118 freetoken

Ok, so we don’t care about the lives of millions of brown people living in squalor.

What then, pray tell, do we as a society really care about?

This:

The Teen Mom Sex Tape Is the Rare Porn Targeted at Young Women

I pity the young men today who have to date young women who have been programmed into thinking porn stars are the average male.

This Farrah Abraham thing seems to be the hot thing today in the fast paced world of social media. No wonder my Pages of boring old climatology don’t get the hits they used to.

I pity the young woman who dates the young man who’s been programmed to think that it’s normal for women to want to swallow.

half /

I find it hard to bemoan females embracing their sexuality. What’s offensive about that story is her continued BS about it being a ‘leaked’ sex tape. Own your choice.

That being said, people still need to pay attention to all sorts of issues, including global climate change and what price we pay for our clothing, both financially and morally.

123 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, May 10, 2013 12:01:00am

re: #118 freetoken

You made me Google both Teen Mom and Farrah Abraham, since both bits of modern pop culture have eluded me till now.

I am now 10% dumber than before. Thanks a lot.

//

I was intrigued, though, that porn’s latest ingenue hails from Iowa.

124 goddamnedfrank  Fri, May 10, 2013 12:08:29am

re: #117 ProTARDISLiberal

With the continued intimation of the Libyan Gov’t by MB-aligned militias, we should consider having Libya and Morocco join NATO. Like Italy and Albania, they are on the Mediterranean, and by extension, the North Atlantic. In addition, like the Baltic states, and Albania, they are under-strength and threatened by others.

Article 10 of the NATO Charter seems to limit invitations to new members to European States.

The Parties may, by unanimous agreement, invite any other European State in a position to further the principles of this Treaty and to contribute to the security of the North Atlantic area to accede to this Treaty. Any State so invited may become a Party to the Treaty by depositing its instrument of accession with the Government of the United States of America. The Government of the United States of America will inform each of the Parties of the deposit of each such instrument of accession.

Anyway the odds of clearing the unanimous agreement hurdle are pretty steep.

125 klys  Fri, May 10, 2013 12:08:56am

Oh god. Watching tonight’s Daily Show. About college costs.

Student loans are like herpes with compound interest.

If only teenagers weren’t utter idiots.

126 ProTARDISLiberal  Fri, May 10, 2013 12:10:14am

re: #124 goddamnedfrank

Then call it the ENATO then. And, what is Turkey then anyway? And Cyprus?

Time for NATO to become a more inclusive club, especially to aid more vulnerable states. With Libya being the poster nation of vulnerable.

I will have a page on this tomorrow:

The MB is getting serious here.

127 stabby  Fri, May 10, 2013 12:10:45am

:/ half of what makes racists so creepy is that they’re obsessed with trying to keep people they don’t like from breeding, and with how much those people breed.

I find the constant moralizing over what other people find turn-ons and whether each turn on is good for society or for the people who don’t want to perform those sex acts etc equally creepy and controlling.

Repeat “other people’s fetishes are none of my business” till you can stop writing this shit.

128 stabby  Fri, May 10, 2013 12:11:38am

klys, freetoken, that was aimed at you

129 ProTARDISLiberal  Fri, May 10, 2013 12:14:22am

Is there a way for me to share Twitter post on FB?

130 stabby  Fri, May 10, 2013 12:14:47am

Next time you’re tempted to go all fascist on other people’s turn ons remember this
Image: threewords.png
and be still

131 klys  Fri, May 10, 2013 12:17:36am

re: #128 stabby

klys, freetoken, that was aimed at you

I’m not quite sure what I said that would result in you wanting to direct a message saying:

Repeat “other people’s fetishes are none of my business” till you can stop writing this shit.

at me. Especially since, as long as the fetish can be done with the consent of another adult, I don’t really give a damn about other people’s fetishes.

My half sarcastic commentary on swallowing was because it is, indeed, a relatively common feature in porn - especially specific kinds - and can lead to unrealistic expectations among young men. And I say this as someone with some idea of what is common, not just in porn, but also in women’s erotic literature.

132 ProTARDISLiberal  Fri, May 10, 2013 12:20:39am

re: #131 klys

That seems disrespectful to the woman to make her do that. No damn way.

133 goddamnedfrank  Fri, May 10, 2013 12:20:52am

re: #126 ProTARDISLiberal

Then call it the ENATO then. And, what is Turkey then anyway? And Cyprus?

I will have a page on this tomorrow:

Part of Turkey is in Europe. East Thrace. Cyprus is in the EU a status Libya and Tunisia are unlikely to ever hold. Cyprus is also not a NATO member state, yet, because of Turkey.

You have a way of wishing away real world obstacles to your fantasy scenarios, what you want isn’t going to happen, no matter what you call it.

134 klys  Fri, May 10, 2013 12:21:23am

re: #132 ProTARDISLiberal

Some women like it. Woman’s choice. Not my decision, except for me personally.

The key word is consent.

135 ProTARDISLiberal  Fri, May 10, 2013 12:22:57am

re: #133 goddamnedfrank

Somebody needs to intimidate these MB aligned militias.

At least make it clear to Libya we are here to help, if needed.

136 klys  Fri, May 10, 2013 12:24:48am

Hey, PLL, did you see the response I wrote you earlier?

137 goddamnedfrank  Fri, May 10, 2013 12:25:46am

re: #135 ProTARDISLiberal

Somebody needs to intimidate these MB aligned militias.

At least make it clear to Libya we are here to help, if needed.

I’ve noticed that you often type “somebody needs to” and then go off on a toot. It’s your right, but after awhile it gets tiring. The world rarely unfolds exactly the way we want it to, assessment of “need” notwithstanding.

138 klys  Fri, May 10, 2013 12:27:27am

re: #137 goddamnedfrank

I’ve noticed that you often type “somebody needs to” and then go off on a toot. It’s your right, but after awhile it gets tiring. The world rarely unfolds exactly the way we want it to, assessment of “need” notwithstanding.

Somebody needs to give me a million dollars. Now.

//

139 stabby  Fri, May 10, 2013 12:27:51am

For various reasons this cartoon seems to fit
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140 ProTARDISLiberal  Fri, May 10, 2013 12:29:30am

re: #136 klys

Yes I did. Thank you. :)

re: #137 goddamnedfrank

We have a popular government in Libya under real threat of being overthrown by a bunch of foreign supported goons, primarily people loyal not to Libya, but to Mohammed Badie in Cairo, to paraphrase Mustafa Abdul Jalil.

141 klys  Fri, May 10, 2013 12:32:35am

re: #140 ProTARDISLiberal

Yes I did. Thank you. :)

I just wanted to be sure, because things can get buried. It’s not that we don’t care, it’s just that some things are really hard to deal with online - especially sometimes things we need to acknowledge. I do know. I have been there.

re: #139 stabby

I am reminded of a dialog box that was once done for Friday Beer. It involved a dialog box reminding a grad student to feed the dog. One of the options was “Oh, is that what happened to Fido?”

142 klys  Fri, May 10, 2013 12:37:31am

It’s Thursday night. I think we need a photo moment of zen.

From Thanksgiving this past year, somewhere along the Chicago to San Francisco Amtrak route, passing into Utah.

143 stabby  Fri, May 10, 2013 12:37:48am
144 klys  Fri, May 10, 2013 12:39:57am

re: #143 stabby

If that error actually existed no college male would get work done ever.

145 klys  Fri, May 10, 2013 12:42:41am

I should close Richwine’s thesis because every time I inadvertently read any of it I want to smash all the things.

147 klys  Fri, May 10, 2013 12:49:50am

re: #146 stabby

I didn’t say there was anything wrong with that. :) Just acknowledging reality.

I admit, I wish porn reflected reality a little better. But that’s like wishing Hollywood reflected reality a little better.

I suspect you have the wrong opinion regarding me and kink. I am not against any fetish, as long as both parties are consensual adults. I approve of positive portrayals of sex for both parties involved. I wish society would embrace this a little more. But a non-trivial portion of porn also presents a non-realistic* image of women, and that is something that should be equally addressed, while trying to get people of all stripes to embrace the fact that consensual adults can make decisions that we may not agree with.

* I don’t think I need to spell this out, but let’s just say Ron Jeremy probably wouldn’t have made it big if his name was Ronda.

148 stabby  Fri, May 10, 2013 12:53:18am

Well there won’t be any short male porn stars with micro-dicks either. Life isn’t fair.

149 stabby  Fri, May 10, 2013 12:53:42am

Here’s an infinite font of cute tumblr.com

150 klys  Fri, May 10, 2013 12:58:31am

re: #148 stabby

If you think that’s what I’m talking about, then we’ll just agree to disagree.

151 stabby  Fri, May 10, 2013 1:00:22am

re: #150 klys

Yeah, male sexual prejudices are bad, female not so. Because you’re female. No equivalence.

152 Single-handed sailor  Fri, May 10, 2013 1:01:18am

I just found a Larry Niven book (Juggler of Worlds) that I downloaded from somewhere long forgotten. I’m lost for the night….

153 klys  Fri, May 10, 2013 1:05:36am

re: #151 stabby

You quote for me where I said it was bad, and I’ll apologize. My sarcastic comment implied that it was unrealistic to think that all women preferred it, just like it’s unrealistic to infer from porn that all men have giant dicks. I’ve said, in fact, that some women like it, and it should be up to the woman whether that’s something they want to do or not.

Nothing anywhere about whether it’s bad for the guy to want it. Wanting something does not equal expecting it.

155 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, May 10, 2013 1:16:16am

re: #153 klys

You quote for me where I said it was bad, and I’ll apologize. My sarcastic comment implied that it was unrealistic to think that all women preferred it, just like it’s unrealistic to infer from porn that all men have giant dicks. I’ve said, in fact, that some women like it, and it should be up to the woman whether that’s something they want to do or not.

Nothing anywhere about whether it’s bad for the guy to want it. Wanting something does not equal expecting it.

Political correctitude does not necessary need to extend to every aspect of human existence. I remember a blowup over some pop singer saying he preferred white women to black ones.

BFD. Nobody has a right to John Mayer’s affections.

Prejudice and racism are serious matters only when they lead to people being denied their legal rights.

156 stabby  Fri, May 10, 2013 1:18:35am

re: #155 Sol Berdinowitz

Heh, I think that racism and prejudice are bad in every arena EXCEPT sex where people can’t control their turn-ons and so shouldn’t hurt themselves (or each other) trying.

157 klys  Fri, May 10, 2013 1:20:01am

re: #155 Sol Berdinowitz

I don’t think anything I said implied otherwise. Apparently I was wrong. I will refrain from making sarcastic comments in response to a comment that someone pities the poor guy who discovers that women expect a giant dick due to porn ever again.

158 stabby  Fri, May 10, 2013 1:21:49am
159 klys  Fri, May 10, 2013 1:22:02am

re: #155 Sol Berdinowitz

Apologies if that was an overly harsh reply. It’s late, I’m tired, and I probably should stop replying to Internet comments but I got kicked from the TV so he could watch Ronin on DVD instead of me watching Mythbusters on the DVR.

160 stabby  Fri, May 10, 2013 1:24:05am

re: #159 klys

If you’re upset over being bumped from the TV then all is forgiven.

161 klys  Fri, May 10, 2013 1:25:51am

re: #160 stabby

I don’t give anything about what anybody else is doing as long as it is with another consensual adult.

I just don’t want people to feel pressured into things by expectations but to genuinely be interested in doing it. And yes, this is speaking from experience, and it was hard-won, and it fucking sucked.

162 stabby  Fri, May 10, 2013 1:26:05am

this is such an obscure joke that it took me years to get it badgods.com

163 stabby  Fri, May 10, 2013 1:36:17am

classic badgods.com

164 stabby  Fri, May 10, 2013 1:40:37am

good night badgods.com

165 klys  Fri, May 10, 2013 2:26:01am

re: #155 Sol Berdinowitz

Political correctitude does not necessary need to extend to every aspect of human existence. I remember a blowup over some pop singer saying he preferred white women to black ones.

BFD. Nobody has a right to John Mayer’s affections.

Prejudice and racism are serious matters only when they lead to people being denied their legal rights.

I gave you an upding for the first part, because I don’t believe that people are going to be politically correct in their sex lives, nor do I expect it.

But I take serious issue with the bolded portion (emphasis is, of course, mine). Prejudice and racism have serious implications outside of ‘legal’ rights. Someone can do everything the law requires and still make it utterly clear that they believe the person they’re dealing with is a second-class citizen, and that kind of behavior has an impact on people, especially on children. Look at the thesis by Richwine. It’s perfectly ‘legal’ to think that Hispanics have a lower IQ than whites based on racial distinctions.

It doesn’t make it any less bullshit - or any less harmful. Racism is shit even when it doesn’t impact someone’s ‘legal’ rights. It may not be something we can ‘legally’ do something about, but it’s still shit and it shouldn’t be left alone to fester, because it will eventually turn into the sort of bullshit that leads to trying to restrict people’s rights.

Which is a completely different thing than saying people have a choice in their sexual partners, and nobody is entitled to someone else on a sexual level.

166 freetoken  Fri, May 10, 2013 2:28:42am
167 klys  Fri, May 10, 2013 2:41:18am

And with that, I am off to bed.

168 freetoken  Fri, May 10, 2013 3:13:25am
169 Vicious Babushka  Fri, May 10, 2013 4:34:14am

Boker tov!
Some good news at last.

170 Vicious Babushka  Fri, May 10, 2013 5:58:49am

Prosecutors going for a Kitchen Sink indictment:


What Castro did was horrific, but a capital murder rap for inducing an abortion is not going to stick.

BTW wingnuts are already Derping that they would like to see this penalty applied to all abortion providers.

171 Vicious Babushka  Fri, May 10, 2013 5:59:47am
172 Political Atheist  Fri, May 10, 2013 6:04:29am

It’s dangerous out there

(CNN) — Crew members aboard the International Space Station are awaiting word on how to deal with leaking ammonia from an outside cooling system, NASA said Thursday in a news release.

The six-man crew is not in danger, NASA said.

The space station crew reported seeing small white flakes floating away from the station, the space agency said. NASA helped locate the leak with external cameras while the crew used hand-held cameras pointed out windows.

The leak was in a cooling loop in a solar array that has leaked before. NASA said crew members tried to fix the leak in November. It is unclear whether this is the same leak or a new one.

173 Vicious Babushka  Fri, May 10, 2013 6:04:32am
174 Vicious Babushka  Fri, May 10, 2013 6:16:45am

Some Rage-dinging going on.

175 lawhawk  Fri, May 10, 2013 6:22:13am

re: #170 Vicious Babushka

An indictment is one thing. A conviction is quite another. Unless they’ve got sufficient evidence, those particular charges aren’t going to stick.

There are some right wingers who can’t quite understand why the jury hasn’t returned a verdict in the Gosnell case as if that was cut and dry. Consider that the judge threw out several of the charges after the prosecution rested its case because the judge saw that the prosecution didn’t prove its case in several of the murder charges. That could have been prosecutorial lapses in failing to cover all the bases on each of the counts, or over-charging, but in any event the remaining charges may be close enough for the jury to weigh different options. There are pages upon pages in the charge sheet - and each charge has different options.

We’ll probably see something similar here. The case will be developed and the initial charges may be superseded by additional or different charges based on the evidence.

I wouldn’t be surprised if investigators start digging up the backyard or other locations in/around Cleveland in the search for remains and evidence.

At the same time, police are under a whole lot of scrutiny for not investigating the cases and the community claims that repeated calls for the police to come to the house were never answered (the police claim their reports indicate that they were there only twice on unrelated events).

The Cleveland case also reminds me a bit of the Long Island serial killers’ case where the remains of 10 people were recovered from a stretch of beach, and police there didn’t exactly beat down doors in their search for those people when they first went missing.

The police in NY still aren’t any closer to finding the killer(s) in that case.

176 Bulworth  Fri, May 10, 2013 6:23:10am

Given the heartbreak and anger displayed by House Republicans about the deaths of four Americans in BENGHAZI IMPEACH you might also wonder how Republicans in Texas are responding to the deaths of at least 14 Americans last month in the West, Texas factory explosion.

Wonder no more: nobody gives a shit.

WEST, Tex. — Five days after an explosion at a fertilizer plant leveled a wide swath of this town, Gov. Rick Perry tried to woo Illinois business officials by trumpeting his state’s low taxes and limited regulations. Asked about the disaster, Mr. Perry responded that more government intervention and increased spending on safety inspections would not have prevented what has become one of the nation’s worst industrial accidents in decades.

“Through their elected officials,” he said, Texans “clearly send the message of their comfort with the amount of oversight.”

This antipathy toward regulations is shared by many residents here. Politicians and economists credit the stance with helping attract jobs and investment to Texas, which has one of the fastest-growing economies in the country, and with winning the state a year-after-year ranking as the nation’s most business friendly.

Freedom. Liberty. Less Government. Occasionally lives must be sacrificed so that the Free Market can succeed. //

177 Vicious Babushka  Fri, May 10, 2013 6:25:04am

re: #176 Bulworth

Given the heartbreak and anger displayed by House Republicans about the deaths of four Americans in BENGHAZI IMPEACH you might also wonder how Republicans in Texas are responding to the deaths of at least 14 Americans last month in the West, Texas factory explosion.

Wonder no more: nobody gives a shit.

Freedom. Liberty. Less Government. Occasionally lives must be sacrificed so that the Free Market can succeed. //

At least the owner of the Rana Plaza in Bangladesh has been arrested.

178 Bulworth  Fri, May 10, 2013 6:25:40am

re: #177 Vicious Babushka

Why does Bangladesh hate Freedom? //

179 Vicious Babushka  Fri, May 10, 2013 6:26:16am

re: #178 Bulworth

Why does Bangladesh hate Freedom? //

THEY ARE MUSLIMZ!!11!!

180 Bulworth  Fri, May 10, 2013 6:27:52am
Texas has always prided itself on its free-market posture. It is the only state that does not require companies to contribute to workers’ compensation coverage. It boasts the largest city in the country, Houston, with no zoning laws. It does not have a state fire code, and it prohibits smaller counties from having such codes. Some Texas counties even cite the lack of local fire codes as a reason for companies to move there.

Kinda makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside, doesn’t it?

181 darthstar  Fri, May 10, 2013 6:31:16am

re: #180 Bulworth

Kinda makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside, doesn’t it?

Kind of makes me want to buy a multi-million dollar home next to the Bush family, tear it down, and open up my own land-fill. Hey, no zoning laws. Now accepting chemical waste from around the country.

182 Vicious Babushka  Fri, May 10, 2013 6:32:01am

re: #180 Bulworth

Kinda makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside, doesn’t it?

MOVE TO TEXAS! THEIR ARE JRRBZ HEAR!!1!! LOWEST PAY, FEWEST BENEFITS AND GREATEST DANGER!!!11111!!FREEDUMB!!!!!111

183 darthstar  Fri, May 10, 2013 6:33:02am

re: #181 darthstar

Kind of makes me want to buy a multi-million dollar home next to the Bush family, tear it down, and open up my own land-fill. Hey, no zoning laws. Now accepting chemical waste from around the country.

Actually, building 500 low-income housing units would be better for the community…and the environment.

184 Vicious Babushka  Fri, May 10, 2013 6:37:21am

re: #181 darthstar

Kind of makes me want to buy a multi-million dollar home next to the Bush family, tear it down, and open up my own land-fill. Hey, no zoning laws. Now accepting chemical waste from around the country.

Build an 8-story sweatshop. JRRBZ!!

185 Bulworth  Fri, May 10, 2013 6:54:54am

re: #181 darthstar

As long as you don’t build a Planned Parenthood building because PROLIFE!


//

186 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, May 10, 2013 7:04:14am

Good morning Lizards!
Warm and sunny currently in Philadelphia (though it is always the latter). No expected rain until tomorrow.

The Feline Overlords are enjoying the window sills - and the older one is also still attempting to eat the pea plants in the one window box despite a number of obstacles placed in the way.

On other fronts I saw an article today on other use of animals:
nbcnews.com

Best of all - they vote Democrat!
;)

187 Gus  Fri, May 10, 2013 7:07:48am

I should check to see the reaction to my rage Tweets. //

188 iossarian  Fri, May 10, 2013 7:10:14am

One law for the rich etc. Via the Great Orange Satan I bring you the following heart-warming tale:

Republican Senate nominee Gabriel Gomez claimed a $281K tax deduction in 2005 for promising not to make any alterations to the front of his house (which, by the way, looks pretty spiffy as it is, so it’s not like he’s undergoing a huge hardship here).

Get more delicious details at the link:

bostonglobe.com

Here’s what one individual had to say about the use of this specific tax break in the past:

It is very discouraging to find yet another example of snake oil salesmen misusing tax-exempt status and abusing the tax laws intended to encourage charitable giving, all for the purpose of making a fast buck.

The identity of that commenter? One Chuck Grassley, R-IA.

189 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Fri, May 10, 2013 7:12:11am

re: #186 Feline Fearless Leader

Good morning Lizards!
Warm and sunny currently in Philadelphia (though it is always the latter). No expected rain until tomorrow.

The Feline Overlords are enjoying the window sills - and the older one is also still attempting to eat the pea plants in the one window box despite a number of obstacles placed in the way.

On other fronts I saw an article today on other use of animals:
nbcnews.com

Best of all - they vote Democrat!
;)

Well, goats have long been considered symbols of Satan.

(Have you looked at their eyes?)

190 Vicious Babushka  Fri, May 10, 2013 7:20:44am

DERP OF THE DAY:

191 HappyWarrior  Fri, May 10, 2013 7:24:40am

re: #190 Vicious Babushka

DERP OF THE DAY:

They really want that bad. They only wish Benghazi could be as bad as 9/11.

192 Vicious Babushka  Fri, May 10, 2013 7:31:02am

*DERP*

193 Vicious Babushka  Fri, May 10, 2013 7:33:10am
194 chadu  Fri, May 10, 2013 8:04:22am

re: #78 klys

Reposted from downstairs:

“Eventually I had to pick a research problem or give up the advantages of being a student. I was sick of a school in which the pie was all meringue and no filling but I stuck as I knew how to cope with courses in which the answers are matters of opinion and the opinion that counts is that of the professor. And how to cope with those large-class evening lectures: Buy the lecture notes. Read everything that professor ever published. Don’t cut too often and when you do show up, get there early, sit front row center, be certain the prof catches your eye every time he looks your way-by never taking your eyes off him. Ask one question you know he can answer because you’ve picked it out of his published papers-and state your name in asking a question. Luckily ‘Zebadiah Carter’ is a name easy to remember. Family, I got straight ‘A’s’ in both required courses and seminars. .. because I did not study ‘education, ’ I studied professors of education.

“But I still had to make that ‘original contribution to human knowledge’ without which a candidate may not be awarded a doctor’s degree in most so called disciplines. .. and the few that don’t require it are a tough row to hoe.

“I studied my faculty committee before letting myself be tied down to a research problem. .. not only reading everything each had published but also buying their publications or paying the library to make copies of out-of-print papers. ”

[…]

“But me no ‘huts, ’ Pop. I have a copy of my dissertation; you can check its authenticity. While that paper totally lacks meaning it is a literary gem in the sense in which a successful forging of an ‘old master’ is itself a work of art. It is loaded with buzz words. The average length of sentences is eightyone words. The average word length, discounting ‘of, ’ ‘a, ’ ‘the, ’ and other syntactical particles, is eleven-plus letters in slightly under four syllables. The bibliography is longer than the dissertation and cites three papers of each member of my committee and four of the chairman, and those citations are quoted in part-while avoiding any mention of matters on which I knew that members of the committee held divergent (but equally stupid) opinions.

[…]

“Five months later I was awarded the degree of doctor of philosophy, summa cum laude, And that, dear ones, is the shameful story of my life, Anyone have the energy to go swimming?”

The Number of the Beast, Robert Heinlein

195 BeenHereAwhile  Fri, May 10, 2013 10:22:21am

re: #127 stabby

:/ half of what makes racists so creepy is that they’re obsessed with trying to keep people they don’t like from breeding, and with how much those people breed.

I find the constant moralizing over what other people find turn-ons and whether each turn on is good for society or for the people who don’t want to perform those sex acts etc equally creepy and controlling.

Repeat “other people’s fetishes are none of my business” till you can stop writing this shit.

I just tell folk who run sexual, gender, homophobic or racial crap on me:

“I am not interested in your sexual fantasies.”


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