Pat Buchanan Calls for ‘Southern Strategy’ Against Latinos, Immigrants

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Pat Buchanan has a plan to win more white voters for the GOP.

In an article published by the website World Net Daily last week, Buchanan describes increased black voter turnout and Latino demographic growth as a “crisis for the Grand Old Party.” To combat it, the conservative pundit implies that the Republican Party should adopt a new version of the “Southern Strategy” revolving around immigration.

The Southern Strategy, first adopted by Richard Nixon, aimed to cultivate the support of Southern voters in part by appealing to racial tensions while avoiding overt racism. The strategy played a key role in alienating African-American voters from the GOP.

But Buchanan thinks it’s gotten a bad rap. It did, after all, play well in the electoral college:

After Richard Nixon cobbled together his New Majority, the GOP carried 49 states in 1972 and 1984, 44 states in 1980 and 40 in 1988. In four elections - 1972, 1984, 1988 and 2004 - the Republican Party swept all 11 states of FDR’s “Solid South.”

Such were the fruits of that evil Southern Strategy.

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187 comments
1 aagcobb  Sun, May 12, 2013 4:53:00pm

Stupid idea, Pat. The GOP already has the racist white vote locked down, and its not enough anymore.

2 Dark_Falcon  Sun, May 12, 2013 5:15:38pm

Typical Pukecannon idea: rally people around bigotry, instead trying outreach. Pure filth.

3 stabby  Sun, May 12, 2013 6:03:10pm

re: #1 aagcobb

The GOP needs to be raked over the coals for trying so hard for the white racist vote the last few elections. It’s not acceptable behavior and it’s not being pointed out often enough.

4 aagcobb  Sun, May 12, 2013 6:25:42pm

re: #3 stabby

The GOP needs to be raked over the coals for trying so hard for the white racist vote the last few elections. It’s not acceptable behavior and it’s not being pointed out often enough.

Fortunately its glaringly obvious to most minorities, as the exit polling showed.

5 Decatur Deb  Sun, May 12, 2013 6:31:32pm

They’ve got what they’ll get from a racist strategy. The greater threat is their calibrated voter suppression effort aimed at minorities and the educated young. Defeating these ALEC bills, wherever they surface, is the battle of the next several election cycles.

6 aagcobb  Sun, May 12, 2013 6:45:31pm

re: #5 Decatur Deb

They’ve got what they’ll get from a racist strategy. The greater threat is their calibrated voter suppression effort aimed at minorities and the educated young. Defeating these ALEC bills, wherever they surface, is the battle of the next several election cycles.

Their voter suppression efforts certainly backfired this election cycle. I believe the backlash was a big part of the reason the percentage of the african-american voter turnout actually exceeded white turnout in November.

7 Decatur Deb  Sun, May 12, 2013 6:50:47pm

re: #6 aagcobb

Their voter suppression efforts certainly backfired this election cycle. I believe the backlash was a big part of the reason the percentage of the african-american voter turnout actually exceeded white turnout in November.

Yes, but there are more laws in effect now at state level. Some were revamped after being shot down by the courts. Here in AL we face photo ID and other restrictions we didn’t have to deal with last year.

8 BLUE POINT NINE FOUR TWO SIX FIVE  Sun, May 12, 2013 6:51:32pm

What’s in the bag, Pat? “Re-branding!” He should just get a hood and be done with it.

9 122 Year Old Obama  Sun, May 12, 2013 7:21:54pm

Republican Rebranding!

Eat a dick pizza, Pat. With a straw.

10 Lidane  Sun, May 12, 2013 10:14:51pm

How is this any different from what the GOP has been doing since 2008?

Demographics are death for the GOP and the party leadership knows it. They can’t keep alienating minority voters to keep the angry white bigots like Buchanan happy, but if they don’t alienate minorities, the angry white bigots that make up the GOP base complain about RINOs in the party.

This is an entirely self-inflicted problem for the Republicans.

11 freetoken  Mon, May 13, 2013 3:40:01am
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12 wheat-dogghazi  Mon, May 13, 2013 4:01:59am

re: #11 freetoken

I want to say Handel, but I suspect I’m wrong.

13 A Mom Anon  Mon, May 13, 2013 4:41:05am

I guess it’s just easier to be an asshole than to do the right thing. For some people at least.

There’s really only one thing the GOP can/could do to regain popularity. It’s a foreign concept to most of them, but it might work. It’s called Giving A Damn About ALL Their Constituents, not just the ones that voted for them. Yes, the loud and threatening minority would hate them, but it would be the courageous thing to do.

Which means it’s not going to happen. In all seriousness though, I think there’s probably at least a handful of Republicans that are scared shitless of their far right wing constituents. I can only imagine some of the phone calls and emails these representatives and senators get when they show the least bit of a hint of compassion for the people they’re supposed to be working for. At the State level too.

14 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Mon, May 13, 2013 4:53:55am

I’d say the actual positions and statements from the GOP— from Romney’s “self-deport” back-of-the-line attitude to Georgia and Alabama’s self-harming ‘crackdowns’ on ‘illegal immigrants’— already constitute a Southern Strategy aimed at Hispanics.

And I don’t think the GOP is going to do outreach. They have lost the ability to sell their message to anyone but white people. They’re really good at communicating to a specific slice of Americans, to evangelicals, minarchists masquerading as libertarians, and those who have put blinders on over the past years of slow job creation, wage depressing, and soaring corporate profits. That group is overwhelmingly white. Rhey’re really good at getting those people really, really, really amped up, but they’re not very good at expanding beyond them.

So they can dominate areas where those people are concentrated, and they can use the way our government is set up, particularly in terms of gerrymandering, to use the fervor of those people to wield outsized influence.

I do not see a path to reform for the GOP after its embrace of radicalism. The same things that mean that the GOP is able to screw up government as a whole means the radical ‘conservatives’ can screw up the GOP, by primarying those who they don’t like and pushing the party farther to the right. And because the GOP has gerrymandered, even those lunatic candidates have a good chance in elections— Michelle Bachmann, for example.

I think this is going to be an agonizingly long process. I used to hope for a sudden collapse or cleansing, either the religious right abandoning the party or Eisenhower/Rockefeller Republicans stepping up. But the religious right has simply taken over rather than separated, and the GOP’s embrace of Ayn Rand idiocy means that even their ‘economic conservative’ side are extreme radicals.

I think the process of the GOP’s reform will take until the gerrymandering can be broken, which will probably take large demographic shifts towards non-white. We may see more outright GOP support for things that support segregation as a way to prevent this.

15 A Mom Anon  Mon, May 13, 2013 5:04:36am

And then there’s shit like “The Working Families Flexibility Act” (HR 1406) which basically states employers now have the right to not pay you overtime and make you take off work once you hit 40 hours. Who is this going to hurt most? Certainly not Congress, seeing as how they’re scheduled to work around 130 days for the whole of 2013. It’s shitting on the people who need that time and a half to make ends meet.

What these assholes count on is people being too busy to watch them every stinking second. Integrity is what you do when no one is watching, a concept that seems to be lost on a lot of people.

16 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 13, 2013 5:07:53am

Bryan thinking to himself NOW WHY DIDN’T I THINK OF THAT?

17 aagcobb  Mon, May 13, 2013 5:24:31am

re: #14 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts

I don’t expect a third party to replace the GOP because the whole system is rigged to favor the two major parties; the objectivists, neoconfederates and theocrats are stuck with each other in the GOP because separately they are a tiny minority and none of them have the capacity to broaden their appeal to the growing demographics in the US. What I expect to happen is that northern Republicans like Christie will eventually bring enough centrists into the party that they can stage a takeover from the elderly, shrinking reactionary base, much like the DLC and Clinton brought the Democrats back to the center. It could take a long time, however. Southern whites dominated the Democratic Party for 65 years after the Civil War, during which time the Democrats were only able to elect two Presidents, Grover Cleveland and Woodrow Wilson.

18 aagcobb  Mon, May 13, 2013 5:35:05am

For some heartwarming news, the Minnesota Senate is likely to pass marriage equality today.

19 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 13, 2013 5:50:33am

Today in the world of DERP:
The meme there are NO PICTURES OF OBAMA HUGGING SOLDIERS will not die! How fucking STUPID do people have to be to keep retweeting this?

20 Targetpractice  Mon, May 13, 2013 5:55:54am

Chris Hadfield, renaissance man:

Youtube Video
21 aagcobb  Mon, May 13, 2013 5:59:02am

re: #20 Targetpractice

Chris Hadfield, renaissance man:

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Obviously not a superstitious man, or I wouldn’t think he would be playing Bowie, especially since he’s returning to Earth with crewmate Tom Marshburn.

22 Gus  Mon, May 13, 2013 6:00:02am

Wasn’t it Jason Richwine calling average white Americans NATIVE people in his thesis for Harvard (cough) University? These Americans that think they were born of some “American race.” Freaking Joseph Farah that runs World Nutcase Daily is 1st generation American and his parents are FOB from Lebanon. Heck, Joe himself looks like he’s FOB.

23 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 13, 2013 6:02:35am

On Mother’s Day, my son in Alabama called to let me know that he and his wife are expecting TWINS.

(My middle & youngest daughter also expecting)

24 iossarian  Mon, May 13, 2013 6:06:13am

re: #21 aagcobb

Obviously not a superstitious man, or I wouldn’t think he would be playing Bowie, especially since he’s returning to Earth with crewmate Tom Marshburn.

He totally steered clear of the “wife” line, though, which is probably for the best.

25 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, May 13, 2013 6:08:34am

I think its about time to drop the G and just call it the Old Party.

26 andres  Mon, May 13, 2013 6:10:31am

re: #23 Vicious Babushka

On Mother’s Day, my son in Alabama called to let me know that he and his wife are expecting TWINS.

(My middle & youngest daughter also expecting)

Congratulations!

27 lawhawk  Mon, May 13, 2013 6:10:51am

re: #23 Vicious Babushka

Mazel tov!!

28 lawhawk  Mon, May 13, 2013 6:13:32am

This particular bit of news isn’t surprising - the Aurora movie theater massacre shooter is expected to change his plea to not guilty by reason of insanity.

Prosecutors hope to show that he isn’t insane and that he’s fit to stand trial.

29 Bulworth  Mon, May 13, 2013 6:17:55am

re: #23 Vicious Babushka

Congrats!

More Babushkas all around

30 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 13, 2013 6:18:33am

Heh. Supplying the world with Zionist Overlords Since 1972.

32 Bulworth  Mon, May 13, 2013 6:19:24am

re: #15 A Mom Anon

Orwell rolling in his grave.

33 Targetpractice  Mon, May 13, 2013 6:20:06am

Some days, it doesn’t pay to get outta bed:

Issa To Examine Clinton’s Role In Benghazi Response

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Republican chairman of the House oversight panel is asking a veteran diplomat and a former chairman of the Joints Chief of Staff for sworn testimony about their investigation into the deaths of four Americans at a diplomatic outpost in Benghazi, Libya.

Rep. Darrell Issa, chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, planned on Monday to seek depositions from retired Ambassador Thomas Pickering and retired Adm. Mike Mullen. Issa, who is leading Republicans’ investigations into the attacks on a State Department consulate last September, said he wants to know with whom the pair spoke to reach their conclusion that then-Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton did not direct the response to the pair of nighttime attacks in Libya.

34 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 13, 2013 6:20:09am

CANADA will conquer the U.S. with superior Science education.

35 Bulworth  Mon, May 13, 2013 6:23:39am

Meanwhile, President Rand Paul is rebranding his Brand:

Earlier this spring, Sen. Rand Paul and his wife, Kelley, invited a crew from the Christian Broadcasting Network into their Kentucky home for what turned into two full days of reality TV. In a half-hour special, “At Home With Rand Paul,” the couple are seen bird-watching in the woods, going to McDonald’s and, especially, talking about religion — their belief in traditional marriage and the senator’s call for a “spiritual cleansing” in America.

“At home with Rand Paul” - Must See TV!

Now, “spiritual cleansing”? How the f0ck does that work?

Christian Broadcasting Network is Crazy Pat Robertson’s network. Although to be fair, there are about 20 Christian TV networks in this land where Christians are oppressed, all run by more or less crazy people.

36 Hal_10000  Mon, May 13, 2013 6:24:21am
After Richard Nixon cobbled together his New Majority, the GOP carried 49 states in 1972 and 1984, 44 states in 1980 and 40 in 1988. In four elections - 1972, 1984, 1988 and 2004 - the Republican Party swept all 11 states of FDR’s “Solid South.”

I think that exaggerates the impact of the Southern Strategy. ‘72 and ‘84 were nationwide landslides and ‘88 almost was. Carter won the south in ‘76 and ‘80. Clinton did well in ‘92 and ‘96. By the time the GOP really won the South — 1994 — the issues of the Southern Strategy were far less relevant.

That’s the historical irony. The GOP didn’t really need the Southern Strategy to win. All it did was alienate African Americans for two generations.

37 Bulworth  Mon, May 13, 2013 6:24:36am

Sorry, meant to include the Rand Paul article, on the front fricking page of the Wash Post this a.m.

washingtonpost.com

38 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Mon, May 13, 2013 6:24:54am

re: #31 Gus

Some Russian dude is taking over. Big shoes to fill.

39 Gus  Mon, May 13, 2013 6:25:39am

MEDIA ADVISORY : M13-071

NASA Television to Air Space Station Soyuz Landing

WASHINGTON — NASA Television will provide live coverage May 12-14 as three crew members aboard the International Space Station end five months in orbit and return to Earth for a scheduled landing May 13…

Monday, May 13:
3:30 p.m. — Farewells and hatch closure (hatch closure scheduled at 3:50 p.m.)
6:45 p.m. — Undocking (undocking scheduled at 7:08 p.m.)
9:15 p.m. — Deorbit burn and landing (deorbit burn scheduled at 9:37 p.m., landing scheduled at 10:31 p.m.)
Midnight —Video file of hatch closure, undocking and landing activities…

40 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 13, 2013 6:26:52am

re: #35 Bulworth

Meanwhile, President Rand Paul is rebranding his Brand:

“At home with Rand Paul” - Must See TV!

Now, “spiritual cleansing”? How the f0ck does that work?

Christian Broadcasting Network is Crazy Pat Robertson’s network. Although to be fair, there are about 20 Christian TV networks in this land where Christians are oppressed, all run by more or less crazy people.

Rand Paul’s idea of religion:

Total control over other people’s sex lives and women’s wombs

BUT

All that stuff Jesus said about giving to the poor and protecting the helpless? FUGGEDABOUDIT.

41 Eventual Carrion  Mon, May 13, 2013 6:29:31am

re: #35 Bulworth

Meanwhile, President Rand Paul is rebranding his Brand:

“At home with Rand Paul” - Must See TV!

Now, “spiritual cleansing”? How the f0ck does that work?

Christian Broadcasting Network is Crazy Pat Robertson’s network. Although to be fair, there are about 20 Christian TV networks in this land where Christians are oppressed, all run by more or less crazy people.

Kinda like sexual healing, only different.

42 Gus  Mon, May 13, 2013 6:31:56am

re: #38 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts

Some Russian dude is taking over. Big shoes to fill.

Nice shorty documentary. Chris is what I wanted to become.

43 Bulworth  Mon, May 13, 2013 6:33:01am
President Obama should personally condemn the Internal Revenue Service for putting extra scrutiny on conservative groups, Sen. Susan Collins says.

Um, no.
Also, too: Shut the f00ck up, Moderate Collins.

Also, too, also: Sorry, RWNJ, ur BENGHAZi has broken my outrage meter.

44 Gus  Mon, May 13, 2013 6:34:40am

Yeah, I bet this John Galt guy would have loved the idea of a national religious movement involving “spiritual healing cleansing.” Nothing says “going Galt” like flocking to a cult like movement. //

45 iossarian  Mon, May 13, 2013 6:38:01am

Spiritual cleansing is what you need after going to McDonald’s.

It involves a rubber hose and a lot of holy water.

46 iossarian  Mon, May 13, 2013 6:38:29am

I just grossed myself out, btw.

47 danarchy  Mon, May 13, 2013 6:38:47am

re: #15 A Mom Anon

And then there’s shit like “The Working Families Flexibility Act” (HR 1406) which basically states employers now have the right to not pay you overtime and make you take off work once you hit 40 hours. Who is this going to hurt most? Certainly not Congress, seeing as how they’re scheduled to work around 130 days for the whole of 2013. It’s shitting on the people who need that time and a half to make ends meet.

I just went over and read HR 1406 and to my unlawerly mind it doesn’t appear to say what you are saying.

From the text:

‘(2) CONDITIONS- An employer may provide compensatory time to employees under paragraph (1)(A) only if such time is provided in accordance with—

‘(A) applicable provisions of a collective bargaining agreement between the employer and the labor organization that has been certified or recognized as the representative of the employees under applicable law; or

‘(B) in the case of employees who are not represented by a labor organization that has been certified or recognized as the representative of such employees under applicable law, an agreement arrived at between the employer and employee before the performance of the work and affirmed by a written or otherwise verifiable record maintained in accordance with section 11(c)—

‘(i) in which the employer has offered and the employee has chosen to receive compensatory time in lieu of monetary overtime compensation; and

‘(ii) entered into knowingly and voluntarily by such employees and not as a condition of employment.

48 iossarian  Mon, May 13, 2013 6:42:26am

re: #47 danarchy

The law is designed so that an employer can ask you to work overtime this week (requiring you to find childcare) and then take Wednesday morning off next week (which you don’t need to do since your kid is in school) instead of paying you overtime.

The whole “entered into knowingly and voluntarily” thing is a cause for much mirth in the US, where employers can basically fire you on a whim anyway.

49 Targetpractice  Mon, May 13, 2013 6:43:42am

re: #47 danarchy

I just went over and read HR 1406 and to my unlawerly mind it doesn’t appear to say what you are saying.

From the text:

What it says is that in the 93.4% of workplaces where no union exists, the employer and employee must “agree.” Anyone who thinks that a major corporation and a low-level employee are going to agree on whether to take comp time or overtime is delusional.

50 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Mon, May 13, 2013 6:49:36am

re: #49 Targetpractice

What it says is that in the 93.4% of workplaces where no union exists, the employer and employee must “agree.” Anyone who thinks that a major corporation and a low-level employee are going to agree on whether to take comp time or overtime is delusional.

And the simplest aspect of it is simply not giving overtime to those who demand overtime pay, instead giving it all to those who will work for comp time. It’s not a condition of employment, but, well, only those people who get overtime ever get promoted/the better jobs, so the company can find enough people willing to do it, even if the general hidden threat of being fired for not doing it isn’t there. So there’s functionally no overtime pay.

51 Flounder  Mon, May 13, 2013 6:58:50am

re: #47 danarchy

Dues paying union member State employees here in NY have been working the comp-time thing for quite a while now. I am not sure that they get to cash it in if they don’t use it.

52 wheat-dogghazi  Mon, May 13, 2013 6:59:36am

re: #47 danarchy

And why, pray tell, is the US Congress micromanaging how employers and employees deal with each other? How does this fit in with the ideal of “less government?”

Nevermind, I know the answer.

53 Targetpractice  Mon, May 13, 2013 7:03:27am

re: #52 wheat-dogghazi

And why, pray tell, is the US Congress micromanaging how employers and employees deal with each other? How does this fit in with the ideal of “less government?”

Nevermind, I know the answer.

“Worker freedom.”

In related news, people across the nation reported feeling tremors as the bodies of millions of worker’s rights activists from as far back at the 19th century rolled over in their graves.

54 A Mom Anon  Mon, May 13, 2013 7:05:41am

re: #47 danarchy

How does this help workers? That’s my only question.

55 Bulworth  Mon, May 13, 2013 7:07:30am

re: #52 wheat-dogghazi

Meanwhile, another ACA repeal vote is planned. Focused like a laser beam.

56 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 13, 2013 7:10:12am

This just came across Teh Twitters. Are they saying they want to abolish slavery? (Uh, it’s abolished) Or are they using this graphic for something else that has nothing to do with slavery?

57 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Mon, May 13, 2013 7:15:15am

re: #56 Vicious Babushka

This just came across Teh Twitters. Are they saying they want to abolish slavery? (Uh, it’s abolished) Or are they using this graphic for something else that has nothing to do with slavery?

I would also note this makes every capitalist employer a slave owner, since they take a large share of the product of people’s labor.

In fact, what is written there is pretty much a socialist manifesto, an agitation for the laborer to own the means of production.

58 Lidane  Mon, May 13, 2013 7:16:54am

re: #57 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts

I would also note this makes every capitalist employer a slave owner, since they take a large share of the product of people’s labor.

In fact, what is written there is pretty much a socialist manifesto, an agitation for the laborer to own the means of production.

I was just about to say the same thing.

That definition of slavery is so vague that it makes anyone who has a job working for someone else a slave.

59 wheat-dogghazi  Mon, May 13, 2013 7:16:57am

re: #54 A Mom Anon

How does this help workers? That’s my only question.

It keeps them from being tempted by overtime pay and volunteering to work more than 40 hours a week.

(as if many outfits let you work more than 39 a week)

60 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 13, 2013 7:17:37am

re: #57 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts

I would also note this makes every capitalist employer a slave owner, since they take a large share of the product of people’s labor.

In fact, what is written there is pretty much a socialist manifesto, an agitation for the laborer to own the means of production.

It was posted to RWNJ hashtags, and the watermark on the image links back to an Ayn-Randian type think tank, so I kind of think they may have some other interpretation in mind.

61 iossarian  Mon, May 13, 2013 7:17:46am

re: #56 Vicious Babushka

This just came across Teh Twitters. Are they saying they want to abolish slavery? (Uh, it’s abolished) Or are they using this graphic for something else that has nothing to do with slavery?

I think the twitterer is asking what tax rate is equivalent to slavery.

My answer to him would be that a progressive tax rate which starts under 10% on low incomes and rises to 50%+ on “luxury” incomes is not at all equivalent to slavery, especially if tax revenues are used to support programs that help low-income families and individuals.

But that requires a certain amount of thought, so he probably won’t get it. Plus it doesn’t fit in 140 characters.

62 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Mon, May 13, 2013 7:18:54am

re: #60 Vicious Babushka

It was posted to RWNJ hashtags, and the watermark on the image links back to an Ayn-Randian type think tank, so I kind of think they may have some other interpretation in mind.

Oh, yeah, they’re totally talking about taxation, they just haven’t thought it through.

If my employer makes $30 off me working and pays me $15 for it, and then the government taxes me $1.50 of that $15 and spends that on the common good, who ‘stole’ more from me?

63 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 13, 2013 7:19:31am

re: #61 iossarian

I think the twitterer is asking what tax rate is equivalent to slavery.

My answer to him would be that a progressive tax rate which starts under 10% on low incomes and rises to 50%+ on “luxury” incomes is not at all equivalent to slavery, especially if tax revenues are used to support programs that help low-income families and individuals.

But that requires a certain amount of thought, so he probably won’t get it. Plus it doesn’t fit in 140 characters.

Thanks. I looked up “100% tax rate” and it seems we do not have such a thing, but that tax rates of >90% do not kick in until the millions of income.

64 iossarian  Mon, May 13, 2013 7:19:50am

re: #57 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts

In fact, what is written there is pretty much a socialist manifesto, an agitation for the laborer to own the means of production.

I’m not really surprised by much right-wing idiocy, but I must say that I am always struck by the extent to which Tea Party-style demands for “fair treatment” are essentially rough formulations of basic Marxist economics.

65 Lidane  Mon, May 13, 2013 7:20:05am

This should be fun:

66 Lidane  Mon, May 13, 2013 7:22:47am

re: #64 iossarian

I’m not really surprised by much right-wing idiocy, but I must say that I am always struck by the extent to which Tea Party-style demands for “fair treatment” are essentially rough formulations of basic Marxist economics.

I would love for people to start pointing this out to the teabaggers. The head explosions would be entertaining.

67 Targetpractice  Mon, May 13, 2013 7:22:48am

re: #58 Lidane

I was just about to say the same thing.

That definition of slavery is so vague that it makes anyone who has a job working for someone else a slave.

See also “wage slavery,” as in what corporations like Wal-Mart engage in in order to ensure that they have a ready supply of impoverished workers to take advantage of.

68 aagcobb  Mon, May 13, 2013 7:24:47am

re: #55 Bulworth

Meanwhile, another ACA repeal vote is planned. Focused like a laser beam.

They have a bunch of new Teabaggers in Congress chomping at the bit for a repeal vote as they promised their constituents, even though its meaningless.

69 Lidane  Mon, May 13, 2013 7:25:22am

re: #67 Targetpractice

See also “wage slavery,” as in what corporations like Wal-Mart engage in in order to ensure that they have a ready supply of impoverished workers to take advantage of.

Well yeah. There are real employee abusers like Wal-Mart. But the way that was written, if I work for someone else, even if they give me a great salary, benefits, etc., I’m still that person’s slave, since the products of my labor are their profits.

70 iossarian  Mon, May 13, 2013 7:25:57am

re: #66 Lidane

I would love for people to start pointing this out to the teabaggers. The head explosions would be entertaining.

I’ve tried a few times in the past but they tend not to listen.

This was one of the reasons I originally joined LGF back in the day, when there were still a good number of bona-fide crazies on here.

71 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 13, 2013 7:28:13am

re: #66 Lidane

I would love for people to start pointing this out to the teabaggers. The head explosions would be entertaining.

You can’t argue with these nutbags. They will BLOCK you and then keep repeating the same stupid shit over and over. Case in point: the swarm of retards who keep retweeting THERE ARE NO PICTURES OF OBAMA HUGGING A SOLDIER—NONE!!!111!! when a 2 seconds on Google is all that is needed to prove them wrong.

72 aagcobb  Mon, May 13, 2013 7:29:03am

re: #65 Lidane

This should be fun:

The Minnesota House vote for marriage equality made a GOP representative cry last week, because she thought Minnesotans could unite in discriminating against LGBT people.

73 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 13, 2013 7:29:13am

And this stupid shit:

This makes me want to slap a bunch of retarded wingnuts. Romney claimed GM was MOVING production of AMERICAN CARS to China, GM is opening production in China for the Chinese market (which will be directed from the US)

TEH STUPID.

And these assclowns complain about “LIES!!11!!!!”

74 iossarian  Mon, May 13, 2013 7:32:20am

re: #73 Vicious Babushka

Again - if we had taken some kind of decision-making role in GM as a condition of the bailout, that would have been nationalization.

Is there a socialist policy that these right-wing fools *don’t* like?

75 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, May 13, 2013 7:32:23am

re: #67 Targetpractice

See also “wage slavery,” as in what corporations like Wal-Mart engage in in order to ensure that they have a ready supply of impoverished workers to take advantage of.

The Southern fire-eaters pre-Civil War referred to northern capitalism as “wage slavery” as well. With the same point that the northern system exploited poor workers and then cast them aside once they got sick or old. As compared to their much more compassionate “peculiar institution”.

76 Bulworth  Mon, May 13, 2013 7:34:58am

re: #73 Vicious Babushka

When did GOPteabags start caring about jobs?

77 aagcobb  Mon, May 13, 2013 7:35:32am

re: #75 Feline Fearless Leader

The Southern fire-eaters pre-Civil War referred to northern capitalism as “wage slavery” as well. With the same point that the northern system exploited poor workers and then cast them aside once they got sick or old. As compared to their much more compassionate “peculiar institution”.

I’m sure he was only talking about the makers who are being oppressed by taxation. The mere takers who work for wages should be grateful if the makers kind enough to employ them give them gruel and water.

78 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 13, 2013 7:37:53am

re: #77 aagcobb

I’m sure he was only talking about the makers who are being oppressed by taxation. The mere takers who work for wages should be grateful if the makers kind enough to employ them give them gruel and water.

The teabaggers are all on and on about how the poor Makers are being all OPPRESSED and shit by being FORCED to provide their sub-minimum wage workers with health care, and how it’s OBAMAZ FAULT that they cut their workers’ hours to part time so as to get around the ACA requirements.

79 Targetpractice  Mon, May 13, 2013 7:38:28am

re: #69 Lidane

Well yeah. There are real employee abusers like Wal-Mart. But the way that was written, if I work for someone else, even if they give me a great salary, benefits, etc., I’m still that person’s slave, since the products of my labor are their profits.

Indeed. It plays into their free market “trickle down” fantasy, that when taxes on the rich are cut, they have more money and so pay their workers more rather than simply hoarding it offshore, waiting for a tax holiday to bring it all home to pay to investors and shareholders.

80 wheat-dogghazi  Mon, May 13, 2013 7:38:51am

re: #73 Vicious Babushka

The Chinese like their American cars, and building cars in their country saves on import duties and everyone is happy.

Meanwhile, quite a few cars made in the USA have Chinese-made parts in them.

It’s called a “global economy,” which some nutjobs can’t seem to comprehend.

81 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 13, 2013 7:45:06am

Wingnut meltdown coming:

82 Targetpractice  Mon, May 13, 2013 7:48:41am

Well, I’d love to stay, but the millet will not grind itself. BBL

83 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 13, 2013 7:49:52am

Wait, what? The wingnut narrative is Detroit is an abandoned wilderness where nobody has jobs and everybody is on Food Stamps & Welfare.

84 stabby  Mon, May 13, 2013 7:51:25am

re: #56 Vicious Babushka

This just came across Teh Twitters. Are they saying they want to abolish slavery? (Uh, it’s abolished) Or are they using this graphic for something else that has nothing to do with slavery?

You guys are sure slow today. I understood what that means to a wingnut immediately, it means that taxation=slavery. They don’t find servitude to an employer even slightly bothering, they just want taxes to be exactly 0%, tithing is enough. The government is controlled by Satan, taking the poor away from God by helping them instead of the church…

Sorry, that’s how they “think”.

85 lawhawk  Mon, May 13, 2013 7:51:46am

re: #81 Vicious Babushka

Considering that the case had dozens upon dozens of individual counts and checkoffs, that they’re deadlocked on two of the charges isn’t surprising.

In fact, it shouldn’t be surprising at all given how the judge ruled that several of the murder charges should be dismissed for lack of evidence even before the jury took the case. They were a reach to begin with, and the stronger claims remained - but even there, the jury still had to find beyond a reasonable doubt that Gosnell did the acts alleged.

Still, in all likelihood, he’s going to be found guilty on most of the charges - and never see the light of day again.

86 lawhawk  Mon, May 13, 2013 7:55:39am

Funny how the folks who said that the US ignored what Russia was telling US authorities about the Boston bombers have fallen silent now that we’ve learned that the Russians actually withheld information that could have been useful to the FBI and law enforcement.

It’s becoming increasingly clear that Russian officials did not tell the FBI and CIA everything they knew about Boston Marathon bomb suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev. The Wall Street Journal reveals Russia did not inform U.S. officials it had intercepted text messages between Tsarnaev’s mother and a Russian relative. Among other things, the messages apparently discuss Tsarnaev’s interest in joining a militant group and an official tells the Journal one of the messages generally discussed jihad, although it didn’t get into specifics about any terror plots.

CNN later confirmed the news, noting the information withheld by Russia “could have altered the course authorities followed.” The Journal’s sources agree, with House Intelligence Committee Chairman Mike Rogers saying the information on the text messages “would have allowed the bureau to open an investigation where you could track [Tsarnaev’s] communications.” It wasn’t just the text messages. When the Kremlin alerted the FBI and CIA about Tsarnaev, it said officials had little information on him. But the truth is officials tracked Tsarnaev during his six-month trip to Russia in 2012, when he met with a known militant. But the FBI never received a response to the three requests for additional information it filed after Russia first alerted U.S. officials about Tsarnaev in 2011.

In other words, the Russians weren’t nearly as helpful as the right wing was claiming when they said that the Administration fell down on the job.

87 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 13, 2013 7:55:53am

re: #84 stabby

You guys are sure slow today. I understood what that means to a wingnut immediately, it means that taxation=slavery. They don’t find servitude to an employer even slightly bothering, they just want taxes to be exactly 0%, tithing is enough. The government is controlled by Satan, taking the poor away from God by helping them instead of the church…

Sorry, that’s how they “think”.

That is typical logic from the same mentality that believes

GUN CONTROL + GAY MARRIAGE = HOLOCAUST!!!111!!!!

88 aagcobb  Mon, May 13, 2013 7:56:30am

re: #83 Vicious Babushka

Wait, what? The wingnut narrative is Detroit is an abandoned wilderness where nobody has jobs and everybody is on Food Stamps & Welfare.

One number really stood out. The median home price in the City of Detroit is $9,900.

89 Mattand  Mon, May 13, 2013 7:59:03am

re: #14 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts

Re: GOP reform:

I just don’t think it’s going to happen.

At all.

We’re four years into watching a major party lose its shit over an African American running the country. The GOP is literally doing everything but officially organizing a lynch party to get Obama out of office. People are calling for another fucking Civil War. Republicans are destroying our economy because they are not getting their way.

Yet, despite all of this, people still vote for them, either because they’re as fucked up as the politicians, and they’re too scared or unwilling to see the party for what it’s become.

I really don’t know what the answer is. What worries me is that these guys are so convinced they live in Communist Russia circa 1938, anything they do is a potential danger to us all.

90 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 13, 2013 8:01:10am

re: #88 aagcobb

One number really stood out. The median home price in the City of Detroit is $9,900.

When I drive to and from work I see all the abandoned and derelict houses and I think to myself “It must suck to live on that block.”

91 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 13, 2013 8:03:13am

re: #88 aagcobb

One number really stood out. The median home price in the City of Detroit is $9,900.

Matty Moroun, the Bridge Troll, is buying up abandoned properties and then he just lets them sit there looking all abandoned and eyesorey.

92 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 13, 2013 8:03:55am

I wonder if Matty Moroun collects rent from the crack addicts who squat in his properties.

93 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 13, 2013 8:06:10am

Wingnut admits to being pwn3d by Fake Quote but claims it’s still valid:

94 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Mon, May 13, 2013 8:07:15am

re: #93 Vicious Babushka

They don’t actually like, respect, or know anything about the people they ‘quote’. They’re just appeals to authority.

95 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, May 13, 2013 8:08:32am

I am sending the GOP a plan to prevent flooding in New Orleans by making the Mississippi River flow north and causing the rain to fall upwards…

96 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 13, 2013 8:08:41am

re: #94 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts

They don’t actually like, respect, or know anything about the people they ‘quote’. They’re just appeals to authority.

A quote from Jefferson or Washington or Stalin or Hitler is POWERFUL.

A quote from some lame dude that nobody ever heard of is lame.

97 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 13, 2013 8:11:46am

re: #94 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts

They don’t actually like, respect, or know anything about the people they ‘quote’. They’re just appeals to authority.

George Washington Never Said That! the Zombie Fake Quotes That Can’t Be Killed!

98 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, May 13, 2013 8:28:04am

re: #97 Vicious Babushka

George Washington Never Said That! the Zombie Fake Quotes That Can’t Be Killed!

I tried to warn you of the danger of paying any attention to Twitter…

99 blueraven  Mon, May 13, 2013 8:36:17am

Joint press conference Cameron/Obama to start soon

100 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, May 13, 2013 8:38:12am

Oh goodie! We can follow it on Twitter!!!

/

101 blueraven  Mon, May 13, 2013 8:48:45am

Opening statements now…covering many topics. Bet what the first ? will be. Benghazi or IRS?

102 blueraven  Mon, May 13, 2013 8:54:51am

IRS question…Obama calls it Outrageous!

103 blueraven  Mon, May 13, 2013 8:57:35am

Obama calls Benghazi talking points issue a sideshow. OUTRAGE!!

104 Eventual Carrion  Mon, May 13, 2013 8:59:45am

re: #103 blueraven

Obama calls Benghazi talking points issue a sideshow. OUTRAGE!!

He should have used the “cartoonish” line. The yelled “WOOLBERINES!”

105 Lidane  Mon, May 13, 2013 9:03:08am

OUTRAGE!

106 Lidane  Mon, May 13, 2013 9:04:56am

So POTUS is going to go to prison for tax evasion?

107 Political Atheist  Mon, May 13, 2013 9:05:22am

re: #80 wheat-dogghazi

The Chinese like their American cars, and building cars in their country saves on import duties and everyone is happy.

Meanwhile, quite a few cars made in the USA have Chinese-made parts in them.

It’s called a “global economy,” which some nutjobs can’t seem to comprehend.

Show them a map of the “foreign” cars being made right here.
United States. Test their resistance to facts.

Toyota Motor Manufacturing Mississippi, Tupelo, Mississippi - Toyota Corolla The facility will be named “Toyota Motor Manufacturing, Mississippi, Inc.”[6]

Toyota Motor Manufacturing Kentucky, Inc., (TMMK) is located in Georgetown. Engine manufacture - 2GR-FE and 2AR-FE. Vehicle manufacture and assembly - Camry, Hybrid Camry, Avalon and Venza.

Toyota Motor Manufacturing Texas, Inc (TMMTX) is located in San Antonio. Vehicle manufacture and assembly - Tundra & Tacoma.

Toyota Motor Manufacturing Indiana, Inc. (TMMI) is located halfway between Princeton and Fort Branch. Vehicle manufacture and assembly - Sequoia, Sienna & Highlander.

Toyota Motor Manufacturing Alabama, Inc. (TMMAL), is located in Huntsville. Engine manufacture 1GR-FE, 1UR-FE and 3UR-FE. Engines mostly for TMMTX and some TMMI.

Toyota Motor Manufacturing West Virginia, Inc. (TMMWV), is located in Buffalo. Engine manufacture 2GR-FE, 2ZR-FE and 1AR-FE.

Honda has 3 more etc etc.

108 stabby  Mon, May 13, 2013 9:07:43am

re: #106 Lidane

So POTUS is going to go to prison for tax evasion?

Glen is hallucinating again.

109 Kragar  Mon, May 13, 2013 9:08:44am

re: #108 stabby

Glen is hallucinating again.

I’m still waiting for him to reveal the big surprise he promised about the Boston Bombers.

110 Lidane  Mon, May 13, 2013 9:09:03am

Rebranding!

111 kirkspencer  Mon, May 13, 2013 9:09:19am

re: #89 Mattand

Re: GOP reform:

I just don’t think it’s going to happen.

At all.

We’re four years into watching a major party lose its shit over an African American running the country. The GOP is literally doing everything but officially organizing a lynch party to get Obama out of office. People are calling for another fucking Civil War. Republicans are destroying our economy because they are not getting their way.

Yet, despite all of this, people still vote for them, either because they’re as fucked up as the politicians, and they’re too scared or unwilling to see the party for what it’s become.

I really don’t know what the answer is. What worries me is that these guys are so convinced they live in Communist Russia circa 1938, anything they do is a potential danger to us all.

I think I want to see what happens in DC on the Fourth of July with the “2d Amendment March.” (my description) If it goes as I suspect the end result will range from no real change to a recoilling in outrage at these extremists. Either way Obdi’s prediction holds then - long, slow, painful but (relatively) non-violent minimization of the Ugly GOP, with the non-extremists either taking it back or creating their own. Like him I think it will be slow. However I think that after redistricting for the 2020 census it will be obvious.

Less likely but not zero is that it sparks the 27% to rise up in violence, in which case we get a 2d civil war to go with our second (near) depression. Bets are off at that point as regardless who wins they’ll change a lot of things after it’s done.

112 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, May 13, 2013 9:13:15am

re: #111 kirkspencer

My main concern is that should our country really have to face a major challenge or crisis (a major natural and/or man-made catastrophe, war, terrorist attack, etc.) that our political system will be too paralyzed to deal with it, or even serve to make it worse.

113 Kragar  Mon, May 13, 2013 9:15:58am

Bachmann Urges ‘Spiritual Warfare’ to Enforce Right-Wing Policies

You see if we retreat from our values and fail to make the case on issues like marriage - because it is one man, one woman - because God said it is. Not because it’s poll tested - because God said it is. And life - not because it’s poll tested, because God stands for life. He made us in his image and likeness. And if we tread too softly on issues, like taking on Islamic jihad, and if we fight too timidly, and if we strive too meekly, then I think we all understand we very easily could come face to face with defeat, and then our nation would in fact pay a great and a lasting price, one that none of us wants to face.

…

Because we need to recognize the desperate situation of our condition, not only in the natural but also in the supernatural. Because as the scripture was read from the pulpit at Margaret Thatcher’s funeral, we fight not against this world, we fight against the powers and principalities and ‘Prince of the Air,’ that’s where we need to focus as well, is on spiritual warfare…

114 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, May 13, 2013 9:17:07am

re: #88 aagcobb

One number really stood out. The median home price in the City of Detroit is $9,900.

Two more nines and you might get some nut in the GOP to own it.
/

115 erik_t  Mon, May 13, 2013 9:19:26am

re: #113 Kragar

Bachmann Urges ‘Spiritual Warfare’ to Enforce Right-Wing Policies

I am legitimately excited to watch her freak the fuck out in the coming days over Minnesota’s enaction of marriage equality.

116 darthstar  Mon, May 13, 2013 9:19:49am

re: #88 aagcobb

One number really stood out. The median home price in the City of Detroit is $9,900.

I’d rather own my one house in California than 72 in Detroit.

117 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, May 13, 2013 9:19:51am

re: #89 Mattand

Re: GOP reform:

I just don’t think it’s going to happen.

At all.

We’re four years into watching a major party lose its shit over an African American running the country. The GOP is literally doing everything but officially organizing a lynch party to get Obama out of office. People are calling for another fucking Civil War. Republicans are destroying our economy because they are not getting their way.

Yet, despite all of this, people still vote for them, either because they’re as fucked up as the politicians, and they’re too scared or unwilling to see the party for what it’s become.

I really don’t know what the answer is. What worries me is that these guys are so convinced they live in Communist Russia circa 1938, anything they do is a potential danger to us all.

So you’re saying that they’re hoping for a joint invasion of Poland Canada next year followed by the Great Patriotic War starting a few years later and serving as the great rallying cry for the country?

These people next to read history in greater context since that is not necessarily a “good” result given the destruction in Russia in the corresponding period.

118 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, May 13, 2013 9:20:44am

re: #113 Kragar

Bachmann Urges ‘Spiritual Warfare’ to Enforce Right-Wing Policies

WE NEED TO FIGHT SATAN!!!

119 aagcobb  Mon, May 13, 2013 9:21:24am

re: #111 kirkspencer

Less likely but not zero is that it sparks the 27% to rise up in violence, in which case we get a 2d civil war to go with our second (near) depression. Bets are off at that point as regardless who wins they’ll change a lot of things after it’s done.

Not likely at all, as most of the GOP Base is old and very comfortable. All we will see is the occasional terror attack by a mentally disturbed lone wolf. I expect that the July 4th March on D.C. will barely make the news at all, because I don’t expect more than a few dozen to show up.

120 Lidane  Mon, May 13, 2013 9:22:32am
121 erik_t  Mon, May 13, 2013 9:24:05am

Fantastic.

One interesting thing about the voters who think Benghazi is the biggest political scandal in American history is that 39% of them don’t actually know where it is. 10% think it’s in Egypt, 9% in Iran, 6% in Cuba, 5% in Syria, 4% in Iraq, and 1% each in North Korea and Liberia with 4% not willing to venture a guess.

122 HappyWarrior  Mon, May 13, 2013 9:24:22am

Well you know if Pat Buchanan has any virtues, he’s at least honest about his own bigotry and his role in making the Republican Party bigoted.

123 HappyWarrior  Mon, May 13, 2013 9:25:34am

re: #121 erik_t

Fantastic.

Shades of the 15% of self described birthers who thought the president was born in Hawaii. Let that one sink in and then laugh.

124 Lidane  Mon, May 13, 2013 9:27:19am
125 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, May 13, 2013 9:27:29am

re: #121 erik_t

Fantastic.

Remember the Michelle Bachmann quote about Obama’s plans to send advisors to Uganda? “First he got us into Libya, now he’s getting us into Africa!”

126 Bulworth  Mon, May 13, 2013 9:31:22am
You see if we retreat from our values and fail to make the case on issues like marriage - because it is one man, one woman - because God said it is.

Michelle, your “case” sucks. And its losing.

127 stabby  Mon, May 13, 2013 9:32:39am

re: #126 Bulworth

But she’s sacrificed so much for gay marriage!

Sigh, I feel bad mentioning her husband.

128 erik_t  Mon, May 13, 2013 9:33:03am
because God said it is

You are a head case, Michelle. This is not a case. Like should be able to recognize like.

129 Political Atheist  Mon, May 13, 2013 9:37:13am

If this does not make you uneasy, dunno what might. Not from drudge, not from Issa, direct from an FOIA request

130 Kragar  Mon, May 13, 2013 9:45:28am

Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. promo

Youtube Video
131 Mattand  Mon, May 13, 2013 9:50:57am

re: #111 kirkspencer

Yeah, if the DC Gun-Nut-Palooza actually materializes, that should get real interesting. DC’s police chief pretty much said they’ll be arrested right then and there if they try to set foot in DC while open carrying.

I’m guessing it’s not going to happen. Even the organizer has got to know that there’ll be at least one nutjob in the march who would be more than happy to commit suicide by cop.

132 HappyWarrior  Mon, May 13, 2013 9:53:14am

re: #126 Bulworth

Michelle, your “case” sucks. And its losing.

And this is why the Republican Party as we know it as doomed. Voters and the American people as a whole are realizing quickly that gays marrying doesn’t intrude on their rights, that their having equal rights is inherently American, and last of all is constitutional. Bachmann should find a new hobby.

133 Lidane  Mon, May 13, 2013 9:56:03am

Actual failure rate: 15%

134 Kragar  Mon, May 13, 2013 9:57:19am

re: #133 Lidane

Actual failure rate: 15%

I bet you Keyes will tell you giving a kid a gun is the greatest thing ever.

135 RadicalModerate  Mon, May 13, 2013 9:58:07am

I see at least one group has taken Pat Buchanan’s message to heart:

Group leaves racist fliers on windshields, neighbors outraged

MILWAUKIE, Ore. - A neighborhood was blanketed with racist fliers on Thursday and people there say they won’t tolerate the hateful propaganda.
The group handing out the fliers has a very specific target since they’re only partially in English and are mostly in Spanish. The only two words in English: “white genocide.”
Many people who park along Southeast International Way got one on their windshield.
Dinah Davis, who works on the street, took action after reading the flier.
Davis drives on the street every day to get to work and on Thursday she noticed something out of the ordinary.
“I know enough Spanish to recognize that it is white supremacist literature. I was horrified,” she said.
Someone left them on nearly every parked car.

The comments attached to this story are even worse - with open recruitment to white nationalist organizations.

136 HappyWarrior  Mon, May 13, 2013 9:59:20am

re: #133 Lidane

Actual failure rate: 15%

I think he’s talking more about actually taking serious what he says. Seriously, what’s wrong with him? He knows that this is a total lie yet he continues to do so.

137 HappyWarrior  Mon, May 13, 2013 9:59:52am

re: #134 Kragar

I bet you Keyes will tell you giving a kid a gun is the greatest thing ever.

Of course, pre-martial and sex with contraceptives is terrible but gun fetishization is awesome, just awesome.

138 HappyWarrior  Mon, May 13, 2013 10:00:46am

re: #135 RadicalModerate

I see at least one group has taken Pat Buchanan’s message to heart:

Group leaves racist fliers on windshields, neighbors outraged

The comments attached to this story are even worse - with open recruitment to white nationalist organizations.

Obviously liberals trying to make the right look bad.//

139 GunstarGreen  Mon, May 13, 2013 10:01:46am

re: #88 aagcobb

One number really stood out. The median home price in the City of Detroit is $9,900.

Youtube Video
140 ProTARDISLiberal  Mon, May 13, 2013 10:03:21am

Car bomb in Benghazi. 9 dead.

Fortunately, this is the response.

I would say “Oh fuck, the neighborhoods here”, but that is clearly more than one neighborhood.”

Also, look at this. People protesting a Terror Attack. Libyans are very brave people.

141 Lidane  Mon, May 13, 2013 10:06:18am

Because they’re treated like gods now:

Asshole.

142 danarchy  Mon, May 13, 2013 10:06:55am

re: #133 Lidane

Actual failure rate: 15%

That link says the “failure rate” for Unprotected Intrercourse is 85%…I am not sure how to take that…

143 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 13, 2013 10:07:04am

re: #141 Lidane

Because they’re treated like gods now:

Asshole.

What cares what a dead guy in jail has to say?

144 klys  Mon, May 13, 2013 10:07:19am

re: #137 HappyWarrior

Of course, pre-martial and sex with contraceptives is terrible but gun fetishization is awesome, just awesome.

That’s why you’re supposed to have sex with the gun? No risk of pregnancy or STDs!

//

145 ProTARDISLiberal  Mon, May 13, 2013 10:07:45am

re: #141 Lidane

Fucking chode, that Nugent.

Wasn’t he supposed to be dead or in prison right now? He should keep his word.

146 FemNaziBitch  Mon, May 13, 2013 10:08:03am

I whhhhhaaaannnntttt a German Shepherd!

video.nationalgeographic.com

How is it by you?

147 FemNaziBitch  Mon, May 13, 2013 10:09:42am

re: #133 Lidane

Actual failure rate: 15%

Mr. I’m Very Catholic knows nothing about condoms. I GUAr-AN-TEE

148 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, May 13, 2013 10:10:40am

Chances are 15 in 100, that means you have to do it 85 times for it to fail once, right?

/

149 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, May 13, 2013 10:12:23am

re: #146 FemNaziBitch

I whhhhhaaaannnntttt a German Shepherd!

video.nationalgeographic.com

How is it by you?

I have learned that five kittens don’t sleep very much.
But they sure do poop and pee a lot…

150 FemNaziBitch  Mon, May 13, 2013 10:12:54am

re: #149 Backwoods_Sleuth

I have learned that five kittens don’t sleep very much.
But they sure do poop and pee a lot…

and they are vewy, vewy CUTE!

151 sattv4u2  Mon, May 13, 2013 10:15:09am

re: #149 Backwoods_Sleuth

I have learned that five kittens don’t sleep very much.
But they sure do poop and pee a lot…

wait till they start multiplying.

News Headline ,,,
Lizard found With 87 Cats In his House !!

152 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, May 13, 2013 10:15:26am

re: #150 FemNaziBitch

and they are vewy, vewy CUTE!

they are quite fortunate for being that.
:)

153 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, May 13, 2013 10:17:21am

re: #151 sattv4u2

wait till they start multiplying.

News Headline ,,,
Lizard found With 87 Cats In his House !!

not a chance! Off to the vets with them at first opportunity if I don’t find new homes for them first.

154 freetoken  Mon, May 13, 2013 10:17:31am

It’s a hot, hot morning… already 90F downtown at 10am…

And it looks to be a warm day for most of the nation:

graphical.weather.gov

155 freetoken  Mon, May 13, 2013 10:19:39am

Temp’s suppose to get up around 100F inland today.

The loquats don’t stand a chance.

156 lawhawk  Mon, May 13, 2013 10:19:42am

re: #154 freetoken

Key words - most of the nation. NYC metro area is 10 degrees below normal, though only temporarily. It’ll be back to normal/above normal by the end of the week.

And the NYC metro is finally close to normal precip for the year. It had been more than 5 inches short until this weekend’s storms brought nearly that much in a few hours’ time.

157 Lidane  Mon, May 13, 2013 10:20:04am

This is awesome. A photographer here in Austin decided to take pictures of her daughter. Instead of dressing her up as a Disney princess, which she calls an unrealistic fantasy for most girls, she dressed her daughter up as real influential women:

NOT Just a Girl

158 makeitstop  Mon, May 13, 2013 10:21:12am

re: #154 freetoken

It’s a hot, hot morning… already 90F downtown at 10am…

And it looks to be a warm day for most of the nation:

graphical.weather.gov

It’s a bit on the chilly side here on beautiful Long Island. Gorgeous day, though.

159 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, May 13, 2013 10:21:22am

re: #155 freetoken

It was hot in Lakewood and down here in Newport the whole weekend. Just talked to my folks up in Upstate NY and they said it’s super cold.

160 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 13, 2013 10:22:12am

re: #157 Lidane

This is awesome. A photographer here in Austin decided to take pictures of her daughter. Instead of dressing her up as a Disney princess, which she calls an unrealistic fantasy for most girls, she dressed her daughter up as real influential women:

NOT Just a Girl

OK except for the nazi-symp Coco Chanel, although I am glad she did not include the cigarette. Hey what about Ayn Rand?

161 lawhawk  Mon, May 13, 2013 10:26:50am

So, I’m looking for a new camera tripod, and I need to balance weight with height (hate having to stoop to set/compose shots), so getting that balance at a decent price is a challenge. If it weighs too much, it wont make it on hikes, if it doesn’t collapse far enough, it wont fit in the luggage, and if it costs too much, it wont make it into my gear kit.

Think I might have found a good option. It’s almost as tall as my old Manfrotto 718b, but this is lighter and has better leg locks than the Manfrotto flip/lock system (the source of my problem - they keep cracking).

162 ProTARDISLiberal  Mon, May 13, 2013 10:28:56am

re: #160 Vicious Babushka

Yeah, after doing a little read-up on Coco Chanel, she seems to have been a rather odious person.

163 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 13, 2013 10:30:07am

LOL wingnuts trying to splain me that JFK & LBJ were GOP.

164 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, May 13, 2013 10:33:35am

re: #163 Vicious Babushka

LOL wingnuts trying to splain me that JFK & LBJ were GOP.

Yea, the entire Kennedy Clan was retroactively infected with GOP because one of them married R-Nold.

:p

165 HappyWarrior  Mon, May 13, 2013 10:33:38am

re: #157 Lidane

This is awesome. A photographer here in Austin decided to take pictures of her daughter. Instead of dressing her up as a Disney princess, which she calls an unrealistic fantasy for most girls, she dressed her daughter up as real influential women:

NOT Just a Girl

Earhart one is pretty cool. Loads of admiration for the early flying pioneers here.

166 Kragar  Mon, May 13, 2013 10:33:58am

Beck: Failure to Impeach Over IRS Scandal Means America ‘Is Already Operating Under Tyranny’

On his radio program today, Glenn Beck seized on reports that the IRS had improperly targeted “tea party” and “patriot” groups applying for ax-exempt status for extra scrutiny and was particularly outraged over allegations that pro-Israel groups may also have received similar treatment.

Comparing it directly to The Inquisition, which also targeted Jews, Beck said that when the government begins “putting a litmus test together for a religion, you are developing a very frightening state” (tell that to Bryan Fischer.)

Beck went on to call for impeachment hearings and massive firings in the wake of this scandal, saying that if they do not take place, then America “is already operating under tyranny”:

167 HappyWarrior  Mon, May 13, 2013 10:37:26am

re: #166 Kragar

Beck: Failure to Impeach Over IRS Scandal Means America ‘Is Already Operating Under Tyranny’

Yeah just like the Inquisition. Right up to the murder and torture! Seriously why doesn’t this clown shut the fuck up ever and listen to what he’s saying ever? It’d be nice if just once in Glenn Beck’s miserable lief, he’d realize that he was engaging in hysterics. He’s no better than Alex Jones- worse I saw since he tries to claim Jones is a conspiracy theorist. Well you are too Glenn.

168 Bulworth  Mon, May 13, 2013 10:39:09am
Beck: Failure to Impeach Over Fast n Furious Benghazi IRS Scandal Means America ‘Is Already Operating Under Tyranny’
169 A Mom Anon  Mon, May 13, 2013 10:39:38am

re: #166 Kragar

Shut up Glenn.

Doesn’t he have enough money already that he can just go away and roll in it and leave the rest of us alone? If this was a tyrannical government he’d already be disappeared and silenced. Fucking asshole.

170 HappyWarrior  Mon, May 13, 2013 10:40:57am

re: #169 A Mom Anon

Shut up Glenn.

Doesn’t he have enough money already that he can just go away and roll in it and leave the rest of us alone? If this was a tyrannical government he’d already be disappeared and silenced. Fucking asshole.

If I could ever speak to the cowardly bastard, I’d remind him of that. Seriously, if this was a real tyranny, Glenn would have been silenced and imprisoned or even murdered years ago. This isn’t a tyranny. And honestly considering some of Glenn’s own opinions, he wants more tyranny than the POTUS does.

171 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, May 13, 2013 10:42:06am

In a functional political system, a scandal like the IRS (or Benghazi) leads to hearings, proposals are made and adopted to prevent such things from happening again.

In ours, it leads to endless outrage and endless hearings and more outrage over the fact that the hearings have uncovered something that went uncovered in the previous hearings, etc…

172 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 13, 2013 10:44:12am

If it weren’t for a champion hockey team and a champion baseball team and top 2 automotive companies, Detroit would have NOTHING.

173 Archangelus  Mon, May 13, 2013 10:44:35am

re: #166 Kragar

Beck: Failure to Impeach Over IRS Scandal Means America ‘Is Already Operating Under Tyranny’

Considering that one of the very first things tyrants and dictators do is to have high ranking people speaking against them murdered or vanish without a trace, I’d say that the fact that he’s still breathing is proof to the contrary…

174 FemNaziBitch  Mon, May 13, 2013 10:45:39am

Chinese Creating New Auto Niche Within Detroit

???

175 FemNaziBitch  Mon, May 13, 2013 10:46:32am

Barbara is going to retire?

176 HappyWarrior  Mon, May 13, 2013 10:47:20am

re: #173 Archangelus

Considering that one of the very first things tyrants and dictators do is to have high ranking people speaking against them murdered or vanish without a trace, I’d say that the fact that he’s still breathing is proof to the contrary…

Shit, he’s not only still breathing but still has a radio show. The guy is constantly invoking the worst persecutions of the Jewish people i.e. the Nazis and now the Inquisition because he’s a deluded fuck who thinks his suffering (his butthurt over the fact that Obama is a two term president) is somehow even close to what the Jewish people went through in the Inquisition and later the Third Reich.

177 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 13, 2013 10:47:52am

re: #174 FemNaziBitch

Chinese Creating New Auto Niche Within Detroit

???

That explains all the recruiters with Chinese accents who have been leaving messages on my voice mail. :)

178 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 13, 2013 10:48:11am

LOL

179 ProTARDISLiberal  Mon, May 13, 2013 10:49:39am

re: #177 Vicious Babushka

I would never trust a Chinese-made car.

Also, I’m trying to stay away from “Made In China.” I don’t want to support their nasty government.

180 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 13, 2013 10:50:35am

re: #179 ProTARDISLiberal

I would never trust a Chinese-made car.

Also, I’m trying to stay away from “Made In China.” I don’t want to support their nasty government.

Cadillac is the #1 selling luxury car in China.

181 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 13, 2013 10:51:07am

LOL

182 ProTARDISLiberal  Mon, May 13, 2013 10:52:38am

re: #180 Vicious Babushka

I have no need for Luxury Cars. I want to be modest.

183 lawhawk  Mon, May 13, 2013 11:00:31am

re: #171 Sol Berdinowitz

Questions that I’ve yet to see answered. The IRS admits that they unfairly targeted TP/conservative entities seeking 501(c)(4). Of those that they targeted, how many actually should not have gotten the designation? How does that compare to all other entities seeking 501(c)(4) status.

The IRS should be looking at all the 501(c)(4) entities to see whether they actually are properly classified as such. It’s one thing to have a homeowner association or a volunteer fire department or emergency response unit, but quite another to create a political action group that actively lobbies and engages in the political process.

irs.gov

184 RadicalModerate  Mon, May 13, 2013 11:00:59am

re: #163 Vicious Babushka

LOL wingnuts trying to splain me that JFK & LBJ were GOP.

One small correction to your tweet stating that George Wallace went to the GOP:

Wallace left the Democratic Party in 1968 to run on the segregationist American Independent Party (current Constitution Party) ticket. He rejoined the Democrats in 1972, claiming at the time that he no longer supported segregation - although he only fully renounced his racist past later, after an assassination attempt left him paralyzed.
He never was a member of the Republican Party.

185 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 13, 2013 11:04:23am

re: #184 RadicalModerate

One small correction to your tweet stating that George Wallace went to the GOP:

Wallace left the Democratic Party in 1968 to run on the segregationist American Independent Party (current Constitution Party) ticket. He rejoined the Democrats in 1972, claiming at the time that he no longer supported segregation - although he only fully renounced his racist past later, after an assassination attempt left him paralyzed.
He never was a member of the Republican Party.

I was relying on that part of the Wiki article that said he approached the GOP hoping to be named Barry Goldwater’s VP if he brought the Southern dems into the GOP. After the assassination attempt he had a change of heart.

186 HappyWarrior  Mon, May 13, 2013 11:09:05am

re: #184 RadicalModerate

One small correction to your tweet stating that George Wallace went to the GOP:

Wallace left the Democratic Party in 1968 to run on the segregationist American Independent Party (current Constitution Party) ticket. He rejoined the Democrats in 1972, claiming at the time that he no longer supported segregation - although he only fully renounced his racist past later, after an assassination attempt left him paralyzed.
He never was a member of the Republican Party.

This is true and I don’t think Connor ever joined the GOP either. However, and what VB should point out is all those things that are being blamed on the Dems is that they were right wing things. Oh and it needs to be mentioned that the KKK wasn’t all Democratic. In the South, yes, because no neo-confederate would ever want to be affiliated with the party of Lincoln for a long time. It was thanks to Nixon and especially Reagan that it became acceptable for Neo-Confederates to be Republicans. Civil Rights at its core isn’t about Dem versus Republican, its about liberal/modernist verus conservative/stuck in the past, and in the end, I’d gladly argue that. The people who today liken gay marriage to barbarism are the same people who said that interracial marriage was evil too and they were predominately on the right then as they are now.

187 stabby  Mon, May 13, 2013 11:54:55am

re: #133 Lidane

Alan Keyes says condoms fail 80% of the time;

Actual failure rate: 15%

We now know more about what it’s like to have sex with Alan Keyes than we ever wanted to know!


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