Heritage Immigration Study Co-Author: “I Do Not Apologize”

Racist and proud of it

Byron York interviews Jason Richwine, who resigned from the Heritage Foundation when his ties to white nationalists and racist writings surfaced, and it will serve very nicely as an example of how deeply entrenched this kind of racism is in the Republican Party: A Talk With Jason Richwine: ‘I Do Not Apologize for Any of My Work’.

Of course he doesn’t apologize; that’s the standard posture when right wing racists are exposed. They always double down and insist they were just “telling un-PC truths.”

But Richwine’s excuses for publishing articles at the white nationalist website alternativeright.com are simply amazing.

Richwine, the Harvard intellectual, thought he could discuss perhaps the most radioactive subject in America — a mixture of race, ethnicity, and group intelligence — in the context of another highly controversial topic — immigration — and act as if it were all a matter of scholarly inquiry. In addition, he made what was at best a careless mistake — why post anything at AlternativeRight? - and further damaged himself by making tone-deaf remarks during a public discussion in Washington. Given the intensity of the immigration fight now raging in Washington, that was more than enough to do him in.

“At best a careless mistake?” Right.

“Oops! I published racist articles at a white nationalist site? How in the world did that happen?”

Here’s Richwine’s excuse — he had no idea the site was run by the Ku Klux Klan in $300 suits. He thought it was just, you know, a “paleo-conservative” site. Because after all, John Derbyshire was writing for it, too.

Yes, that’s the John Derbyshire who was fired from the National Review for his overtly racist views.

Richwine published the rebuttal in a relatively new website, AlternativeRight. Why there? For several reasons, Richwine told me. First, The American Conservative declined to publish the response on its own site, which left Richwine looking for a place to post. Second, he had met AlternativeRight’s founder Richard Spencer at an AEI event. And third, Spencer asked Richwine to write for him. “There was a new website called AlternativeRight,” Spencer recalled. “I thought it would be like a paleo-conservative website. I had seen that [former National Review writer] John Derbyshire had also published something there … Later on, it took on a more extreme version.”

Absolutely stunning. They’re so immersed in reactionary racism, they don’t even see it any more.

By the way, Richwine’s claim that alternativeright.com only became “extreme” later on, after he wrote for them, is pure, unvarnished bullshit. But you probably already knew that.

Oh… and of course, in the comments for York’s article at the Washington Examiner, here come the racists to defend Richwine. As they always do. These views are an integral part of today’s right wing.

Our ancestors charged cannon fire and muskets to overthrow tyrannical rule and take charge of their own destiny. Today we cower in fear of being called “racist.”

[…]

I feel bad for Richwine. People do what they have to do and say what they have to say in order to stay employed and “feed their families.” This is an example of how the conservative movement has come to resemble the former Soviet Union. Others like Derbyshire and Sam Francis have been purged. I encourage people to go to Richard Spencer’s National Policy Institute website and watch his video response to these events. Many of the readers of this site will find his comments apt.

The accusation of racism is one of the worst things that anyone can call you in public life,” he says. “Once that word is out there, it’s very difficult to recover from it, even when it is completely untrue.”

But saying there is a connection between race and IQ is clearly “racist.” The fact is that the universe is “racist” because it gave different innate attributes on average to different races. Mainstream conservatives make a mistake when they say it is wrong to be “racist” because when they do that they are cutting themselves off from the truth that supports their side.

Mainstream conservatives have internalized the politically correct ground rules of the left, and in doing so they have fatally weakened their own cause. When they say it is wrong to be “racist” they are also saying that it would be wrong for whites to look out for their own group interests.

Meanwhile, whites are the only race or ethnic group that doesn’t have group identity politics to represent its interests in the political mainstream. The GOP takes white votes while doing nothing to look out for white interests fundamentally. Whites are becoming a minority in this country as a result of immigration (both legal and illegal), and the GOP has done nothing to stop it. Whites are officially discriminated against by their own government, but the GOP avoids this issue in the hope that it can win over a few more black and Hispanic votes. Someone has to stand up for whites explicitly in the mainstream. If the GOP and the conservative movement don’t start doing this, then hopefully they will meet the same fate as the former Soviet Union, and it will be sooner rather than later.

[…]

Richwine learned the hard way as did Charles Murray did when he wrote “The Bell Curve.” You do NOT touch this subject. No matter how objective your analysis may be, if the conclusions don’t support politically correct assumptions, you publish at your peril.

I take no offense in learning Asian-Americans perform better on standardized tests or qualify for loans at a higher rate than whites. I also don’t find it troubling that blacks or Hispanics perform/qualify lower/less often than whites. In fact, any finding to the contrary would be surprising indeed. Why then does data which comes from an objective, controlled study offend so many people?

The answer is politics. The data may be perfectly valid but it must take a back seat to ideology and leftwing ideology refuses to accept ANY data which shows selected “victim groups” are “inferior” to others. Of course, the data in NO WAY shows racial superiority or inferiority. It simple demonstrates trends and correlates them to race. Liberals know this but admitting the data are true flies in the face of both their ideology and its agenda. So we hear screams of “social Darwinism” and “racism” and “xenophobia” rather than an intelligent, objective response. Richwine IS a bigot. Oppose gay “marriage?” You ARE a “homophobe.” Don’t want a Muslim cultural center near Ground Zero? You ARE an “Islamphobe.” Don’t think the federal government should pay for a woman’s birth control? How dare you? You ARE a misogynist. No discussion. No facts. End of story. You suffer from some liberal-attributed clinical malady. You ARE sick. Disagree? You’re not in the “party of science” and probably not worthy of even drawing further breath. If you’re allowed to do that, you’ll just hasten the looming climate catastrophe by expelling CO2. Who needs that or YOU?

[…]

And the guy is abandoned and left with people thinking that he’s a racist and that’s what motivates the study. Why is it that we never circle the wagons around our own and speak out to defend and protect them. The left will always protect their own, no matter what and they win the debates in public opinion. When are we going to learn that we have got to back up our folks and stand up the the race baiters? I’m so sick of thisl

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1 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, May 13, 2013 10:53:58am

It is not that these subjects are not to be touched, it is that the way they prod them with a pitchfork is so massively flawed that it highlights the inherent racism behind their claims.

2 HappyWarrior  Mon, May 13, 2013 10:54:21am

Wait his defense is that he thought it couldn’t have been too bad since Derbyshire also writes there. Well there’s your problem right there old sport. Seriously what the fuck is wrong with the right? I admit it. I’ve always been a liberal but I did think for a while that the mainstream right was better than engaging in white nationalist bullshit. And no, Jason/supporters, we don’t want to hear that it’s because you’re not “politically correct”, it’s because you’re bigoted and using pseudo-science to justify your bigotry. The most politically incorrect among us knows that using that as an excuse is just that an excuse.

3 Kragar  Mon, May 13, 2013 10:54:53am
“I don’t apologize for any of the things that I said,” Richwine continued. “But I do regret that I couldn’t give more detail. And I also regret that I didn’t think more about how the average lay person would perceive these things, as opposed to an academic audience.

“You uneducated fools are not sufficiently enlightened to grasp the scope of my great work!”

4 HappyWarrior  Mon, May 13, 2013 10:56:13am

re: #3 Kragar

“You uneducated fools are not sufficiently enlightened to grasp the scope of my great work!”

Yet Obama’s the elitist for wanting all American children to have some form of higher education whether that’s academic or vocational.

5 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 13, 2013 10:56:57am
6 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, May 13, 2013 10:59:42am

I can only see one reason for all these “Why do blacks vote Democrat?” talking points, namely to demonstrate to the True Believers in the GOP that there is no point in even addressing blacks or Latinos as they have no concept of self interest and are simply in the thrall of the Party of Free Government Stuff.

7 Bulworth  Mon, May 13, 2013 11:01:06am

Conservatives are never wrong and they are always the victim. /

8 HappyWarrior  Mon, May 13, 2013 11:04:59am

re: #7 Bulworth

Conservatives are never wrong and they are always the victim. /

The crux of modern conservationism- We’re the real victims not the peopel we want to victimize and scapegoat. Shit gets old and it’s especially hilarious since they accuse the left of false victimhood. Look at yourselves. You’ve got Glenn Beck who daily it seems likens himself and those like him to Jews in 1930’s Germany. You’ve got the religious right who thinks gay and lesbian couples marrying is oppressing them. I mean goddamnit. I just wish they would be honest about reality. I don’t expect them to suddenly agree with me politically ever but it would be nice if there was some honesty with the right.

9 FemNaziBitch  Mon, May 13, 2013 11:06:33am
10 darthstar  Mon, May 13, 2013 11:06:49am

Heh…

One interesting thing about the voters who think Benghazi is the biggest political scandal in American history is that 39% of them don’t actually know where it is. 10% think it’s in Egypt, 9% in Iran, 6% in Cuba, 5% in Syria, 4% in Iraq, and 1% each in North Korea and Liberia with 4% not willing to venture a guess.

11 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 13, 2013 11:07:09am

re: #8 HappyWarrior

The crux of modern conservationism- We’re the real victims not the peopel we want to victimize and scapegoat. Shit gets old and it’s especially hilarious since they accuse the left of false victimhood. Look at yourselves. You’ve got Glenn Beck who daily it seems likens himself and those like him to Jews in 1930’s Germany. You’ve got the religious right who thinks gay and lesbian couples marrying is oppressing them. I mean goddamnit. I just wish they would be honest about reality. I don’t expect them to suddenly agree with me politically ever but it would be nice if there was some honesty with the right.

They like to bring up the memes of slavery and the Holocaust to claim they are TEH REAL VICTIMZ but without any of that actual whipping, selling of families, and genocide stuff.

12 wrenchwench  Mon, May 13, 2013 11:09:39am

When your work is too stinky for The American Conservative, it’s too stinky.

13 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, May 13, 2013 11:09:44am

re: #11 Vicious Babushka

Found something interesting:

twitter geography of hate map

14 HappyWarrior  Mon, May 13, 2013 11:10:30am

re: #11 Vicious Babushka

They like to bring up the memes of slavery and the Holocaust to claim they are TEH REAL VICTIMZ but without any of that actual whipping, selling of families, and genocide stuff.

re: #11 Vicious Babushka

They like to bring up the memes of slavery and the Holocaust to claim they are TEH REAL VICTIMZ but without any of that actual whipping, selling of families, and genocide stuff.

Precisely. They bring up slavery, the Holocaust, etc but they have no empathy whatsoever for what those people actually went through. If they did, they wouldn’t trivalize the sufferings of the milliions who suffered under slavery and the Holocaust to the fact that they’re upset that Barack Obama is a twice elected president of the United States.

15 Gus  Mon, May 13, 2013 11:11:11am

re: #13 Backwoods_Sleuth

Found something interesting:

twitter geography of hate map

I wonder about the accuracy of that map and/or its causes.

16 FemNaziBitch  Mon, May 13, 2013 11:11:34am

re: #15 Gus

I wonder about the accuracy of that map and/or its causes.

Yes, twitter is mobile.

17 Gus  Mon, May 13, 2013 11:12:28am

re: #16 FemNaziBitch

Yes, twitter is mobile.

Look at Arizona too. Apparently it’s a Twitter hate free zone.

18 RadicalModerate  Mon, May 13, 2013 11:12:29am

David Frum has weighed in on this article as well.

He doesn’t disagree with the Heritage Foundation’s message, just the method that Richwine chose to deliver his beliefs:

Opinion: Controversial immigration report may be right

But it’s a basic rule of politics: If you can’t disprove the message, you try to discredit the messenger.

And one of Heritage’s messengers sure enough proved discreditable. While work on the Heritage study was led by that think tank’s welfare expert, Bob Rector, the heavy number-crunching was done by a recent Harvard Ph.D., Jason Richwine. Richwine believes in a racial hierarchy of intelligence, with Jews and East Asians at the top and blacks at the bottom.

Richwine has expressed that opinion in a number of places, including at a 2008 panel discussion at the American Enterprise Institute. I happened to be the moderator of that panel. I hadn’t met Richwine before, and this discussion was my first introduction to his work. Afterward, I asked him to come to my office for a talk. I told him then that he faced a choice: He could be a serious scholar of immigration — or he could play in the fever swamps, but not both. Obviously, he did not heed my advice. Shortly after, he left AEI to find employment at Heritage.
[…]
Maybe Richwine did his math wrong. If he did it wrong, it would remain wrong even if he spent his leisure hours rescuing orphans from burning buildings. Maybe he did his math right. Then it would remain right even if he moonlighted as Grand Imperial Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan.

19 lawhawk  Mon, May 13, 2013 11:14:07am

Heh. His excuse is that he thought it was okay because Derbyshire was doing it? Really? Nice moral and ethical flexibility you have to consider his stuff acceptable.

20 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 13, 2013 11:14:08am

re: #17 Gus

Look at Arizona too. Apparently it’s a Twitter hate free zone.

There are apparently separate maps for homophobic and racist Tweets.

21 Political Atheist  Mon, May 13, 2013 11:14:21am

re: #18 RadicalModerate

Opinion: Controversial immigration report may be right

On what planet is this is so?!

22 FemNaziBitch  Mon, May 13, 2013 11:14:25am

Wilmington City Council Passes Resolution Urging ‘Personhood’ Rights For Sperm

“[E]ach ‘egg person’ and each ‘sperm person’ should be deemed equal in the eyes of the government and be subject to the same laws and regulations as any other dependent minor and be protected against abuse, neglect or abandonment by the parent or guardian,” says the resolution. “[L]aws should be enacted by all legislative bodies in the United States to promote equal representation, and should potentially include laws in defense of ‘personhood,’ forbidding every man from destroying his semen”

Yes, it is also paged.

I think legislators are recruiting Onion writers.

23 Targetpractice  Mon, May 13, 2013 11:14:55am

re: #18 RadicalModerate

David Frum has weighed in on this article as well.

He doesn’t disagree with the Heritage Foundation’s message, just the method that Richwine chose to deliver his beliefs:

Opinion: Controversial immigration report may be right

Frum sold his soul awhile back as a down payment. Now he’s offering up his dignity.

24 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 13, 2013 11:15:36am
25 Gus  Mon, May 13, 2013 11:16:01am

re: #20 Vicious Babushka

There are apparently separate maps for homophobic and racist Tweets.

The only thing that shows up for Arizona is the word “queer.”

26 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 13, 2013 11:19:32am

re: #25 Gus

The only thing that shows up for Arizona is the word “queer.”

Looks like they are scanning for keywords. You can have racist, homophobic & sexist messages without using those words. Also I am surprised they did not scan for the c-word in sexist messages.

27 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, May 13, 2013 11:19:35am

re: #20 Vicious Babushka

There are apparently separate maps for homophobic and racist Tweets.

The racist tweets don’t cover those against Native Americas either. It’s like a school project that needs to be graded “I” for incomplete. Once it’s done it might well be interesting; right now, not so much.

28 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, May 13, 2013 11:21:01am

re: #15 Gus

I wonder about the accuracy of that map and/or its causes.

Click on “details about this map” in the lower right corner and a popout will explain the study and where they got the data, as well as links.

29 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, May 13, 2013 11:21:35am

re: #22 FemNaziBitch

I eagerly await the trial of someone for X counts of murder because they masturbated.

30 ProTARDISLiberal  Mon, May 13, 2013 11:21:57am

re: #13 Backwoods_Sleuth

Aberdeen, WA is far and away the most racist place on the West Coast.

31 FemNaziBitch  Mon, May 13, 2013 11:22:56am

re: #29 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

I eagerly await the trial of someone for X counts of murder because they masturbated.

I love that legislators are attaching amendment proposals they know are ridiculous to show the “other side” of the issue.

32 lawhawk  Mon, May 13, 2013 11:24:10am

And the Gosnell jury has come back with a verdict.

33 Bulworth  Mon, May 13, 2013 11:26:20am

re: #22 FemNaziBitch

Not the Onion?

34 aagcobb  Mon, May 13, 2013 11:26:34am

re: #18 RadicalModerate

David Frum has weighed in on this article as well.

He doesn’t disagree with the Heritage Foundation’s message, just the method that Richwine chose to deliver his beliefs:

Opinion: Controversial immigration report may be right

Well no, David, the report isn’t right, and it obviously isn’t right, and now we know why Richwine would produce a shoddy report to try to block immigration reform: he’s a racist.

35 Bear  Mon, May 13, 2013 11:26:37am

re: #32 lawhawk

?

36 Gus  Mon, May 13, 2013 11:26:51am

re: #26 Vicious Babushka

Looks like they are scanning for keywords. You can have racist, homophobic & sexist messages without using those words. Also I am surprised they did not scan for the c-word in sexist messages.

They’re all geotagged as well. Which means it’s also a reflection of geotagging behavior. I know I don’t geotag my Tweets. This map tells me that geotagging isn’t very popular in Arizona, Utah and Montana.

37 aagcobb  Mon, May 13, 2013 11:27:06am

re: #32 lawhawk

And the Gosnell jury has come back with a verdict.

And?

38 iossarian  Mon, May 13, 2013 11:27:30am

re: #35 Bear

?

In about 5 minutes, in walked the man,
Holding the verdict in his right hand.
The verdict read in the first degree.
I hollered Lordy Lordy, have mercy on me.

39 Amory Blaine  Mon, May 13, 2013 11:28:37am

Another conservative racist posing as an intellectual. Stop dissecting his work you foolish laypeople er, plebes!!!!

40 FemNaziBitch  Mon, May 13, 2013 11:28:50am

re: #33 Bulworth

Not the Onion?

Huff Post

41 FemNaziBitch  Mon, May 13, 2013 11:29:22am

re: #38 iossarian

In about 5 minutes, in walked the man,
Holding the verdict in his right hand.
The verdict read in the first degree.
I hollered Lordy Lordy, have mercy on me.

was their any real doubt?

42 lawhawk  Mon, May 13, 2013 11:29:53am

re: #37 aagcobb

And?

It will be a bit before they read off the verdicts. There’s something like 250 charges (most of which are violations of PA law on late term abortions, failure to provide informed consent, etc., with the most serious charges being murder of several infants born live and killing of one of the patients).

43 iossarian  Mon, May 13, 2013 11:31:01am

re: #41 FemNaziBitch

was their any real doubt?

Actually I don’t even know what he’s charged with because I haven’t been following the case. I was just trying to inject some country-infused levity into proceedings.

44 FemNaziBitch  Mon, May 13, 2013 11:31:51am

re: #43 iossarian

Actually I don’t even know what he’s charged with because I haven’t been following the case. I was just trying to inject some country-infused levity into proceedings.

I think they threw the book at him.

45 Bulworth  Mon, May 13, 2013 11:32:02am

re: #43 iossarian

Really liked the movie version of that song.

46 Kragar  Mon, May 13, 2013 11:32:49am

Top Conservative Publication Defends Linking Hispanics To Low IQ

Monday morning, the flagship conservative journal National Review published a piece arguing that Richwine’s work was legitimate academic inquiry and that Heritage should have defended the dissertation rather than distancing itself from it.

The piece, authored by deputy managing editor Robert VerBruggen, argues that Richwine’s dissertation was “most certainly competently executed,” and that Richwine’s research on IQ helps support “much of the actual data” in giving “reason for concern” about “Hispanic assimilation.” That makes it wrong to call Richwine’s dissertation racist, in VerBruggen’s view:

These sorts of debates are resolved by having scholars take different views, conduct research, and make their case, confident that their current and future “educational institutions” will not punish them for doing so. Indeed, today genome research is progressing at a rapid clip, with scientists worldwide making fascinating discoveries almost constantly. (Soon, I hope, this work will render the research Richwine cites, much of which is decades old, obsolete.) The Left would like to cut this process off, expelling from polite society — with the help of a conservative think tank in this case — any researcher who dares to defend the hereditarian view.

The Left’s labeling of Richwine’s argument as “racist” is especially dangerous. In modern America it is axiomatic that “racism,” whatever it is, is wrong — and this is a good thing. It therefore is a mistake to define racism to include falsifiable hypotheses in addition to racial hatred. If Richwine’s view is racist, what are we to do if it turns out to be correct?

47 Targetpractice  Mon, May 13, 2013 11:33:30am

re: #46 Kragar

Top Conservative Publication Defends Linking Hispanics To Low IQ

Scientific racism will always have its defenders.

48 Bulworth  Mon, May 13, 2013 11:34:05am

re: #43 iossarian

99 years in the Folsom Pen

49 Amory Blaine  Mon, May 13, 2013 11:34:18am

re: #46 Kragar

In other words, “derp”.

50 Charles Johnson  Mon, May 13, 2013 11:35:12am

re: #46 Kragar

Top Conservative Publication Defends Linking Hispanics To Low IQ

Wow. They’re just digging that hole even deeper.

51 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, May 13, 2013 11:36:54am

If Richwine’s view is racist, what are we to do if it turns out to be correct?

Then the South gets delcared the retroactive winner of the Civil War, slaves are returned to the descendants of their former owners, Kansas becomes a slave state and the Fugitive Slave Act is reinstated.

/

52 wrenchwench  Mon, May 13, 2013 11:36:54am

re: #18 RadicalModerate

David Frum has weighed in on this article as well.

He doesn’t disagree with the Heritage Foundation’s message, just the method that Richwine chose to deliver his beliefs:

Opinion: Controversial immigration report may be right

What a moron. No wonder he’ll never leave the Republicans.

It’s human nature to assess difficult questions, not on the merits, but on our feelings about the different “teams” that form around different answers. To cite a painful personal experience: During the decision-making about the Iraq war, I was powerfully swayed by the fact that the proposed invasion of Iraq was supported by those who had been most right about the Cold War — and was most bitterly opposed by those who had been wrongest about the Cold War.

He has no idea what ‘human nature’ is, except that it’s an excuse for his own failings.

Then he links to the Director of Research at the Center for Immigration Studies, a very racist organization, for support to the Heritage ‘study’. Then he tries to support his point, and the Heritage ‘study’s’ point, with a statistic that contradicts the point.

Instead, critics respond with a non-sequitur: never mind the effects on government budgets, look instead at immigration’s impact on the overall economy. The trouble for them, however, is that every reputable study — headed by the most exhaustive of them all, the 1997 National Academy of Science study — finds that the economic benefits of immigration are very small, fractions of a penny for each dollar of national income, with the largest share of those benefits captured by the immigrants themselves.

See that? Economic benefits, are small, not detriments that are big, as Heritage claims.

But wait, there’s more! Frum tells about when he met Richwine:

I hadn’t met Richwine before, and this discussion was my first introduction to his work. Afterward, I asked him to come to my office for a talk. I told him then that he faced a choice: He could be a serious scholar of immigration — or he could play in the fever swamps, but not both. Obviously, he did not heed my advice. Shortly after, he left AEI to find employment at Heritage.

Sounds like Richwine disregarded Frum’s advice and chose to emulate Frum instead.

Frum says

The people who will lose most by the Senate’s immigration plan are precisely American citizens of minority origin. Blacks and Hispanics are more likely to be unemployed than whites.

Then Frum says the only way for those un- and under-employed minority people to get jobs is for the labor market to be so tight that the bigot bosses are forced to hire non-white people.

Here’s how it’s really going to work, David: America is going to turn browner than you ever thought possible and racism will wither and die, and incompetent white people will become unemployed. Watch out.

53 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, May 13, 2013 11:37:14am

re: #50 Charles Johnson

Wow. They’re just digging that hole even deeper.

It’s that re-branding effort…premium level.

54 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 13, 2013 11:38:01am

I still don’t understand the importance attached to “IQ” and how it correlates to human accomplishment. For one thing, we have a stereotype of people who score very high on standard “IQ” tests, who are socially low-functioning (so-called “nerds), while people who may achieve only moderate “IQ” scores have highly developed social skills and achieve higher success than the “nerds.”

55 Kragar  Mon, May 13, 2013 11:38:09am

Seven Outlandish Things The Heritage Foundation’s Remaining Employees Believe

* Children of undocumented immigrants should be allowed to starve
* Gay people and sexually active unmarried women should be banned from teaching
* The Voting Rights Act is a “racial entitlement.”
* Todd Akin can save America from an “economic abyss.”
* Poor people aren’t really poor if they own refrigerators
* Accused terrorists shouldn’t have legal representation and their lawyers should be punished
* A J.J. Abrams TV show should guide America’s defense policy

56 Amory Blaine  Mon, May 13, 2013 11:38:21am

It’s only the labeling of the left that makes it dangerous. Not the fact that this shitty drivel is being pumped out of right wing think tanks directly into US business and politics.

57 lawhawk  Mon, May 13, 2013 11:40:38am

re: #55 Kragar

Wait, which JJ Abrams tv show should guide policy? Alias? Felicity?

Or, do you mean Jack Bauer and 24? Which is coming back to Fox for a limited engagement (12 hours, not 24).
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Just read through the link and it’s to Revolution, which is a crummy show at best. Premise makes about as much sense as the device that Snake used (the 666 global setting) to shut down the world’s power systems permanently. Welcome to the human race….

EMP is a possible threat to be sure, but there are ways to harden key infrastructure to protect against EMP effects.

58 Amory Blaine  Mon, May 13, 2013 11:41:50am

re: #56 Amory Blaine

My first sentence should be posed as a question.

59 HappyWarrior  Mon, May 13, 2013 11:43:37am

re: #46 Kragar

Top Conservative Publication Defends Linking Hispanics To Low IQ

Well conservatives, you wonder why Hispanics and other racial minority groups don’t like the Republican Party, maybe you can start by looking at the fact that your media sometimes sounds a lot like Stormfront sometimes.

60 Bear  Mon, May 13, 2013 11:44:13am

re: #54 Vicious Babushka

I think that IQ tests depend upon education level. To me a better measure of IQ would be the ability to survive in your environment. Could you survive in the arctic? In the Amazon forest? All without external aids?

61 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, May 13, 2013 11:44:24am

re: #54 Vicious Babushka

I still don’t understand the importance attached to “IQ” and how it correlates to human accomplishment. For one thing, we have a stereotype of people who score very high on standard “IQ” tests, who are socially low-functioning (so-called “nerds), while people who may achieve only moderate “IQ” scores have highly developed social skills and achieve higher success than the “nerds.”

We have a view that there is a “perfect 100%” score for human intelligence. it neglects the vary notion of human diversity (it in itself a dirty word to a lot of conservatives) and that certain forms of intelligence are present only to the excusion of others.

For example, a person who can concentrate fuly and completely on completing a task is often blind to other possibilities of achieving the same result.

62 Kragar  Mon, May 13, 2013 11:44:44am

re: #57 lawhawk

Wait, which JJ Abrams tv show should guide policy? Alias? Felicity?

Or, do you mean Jack Bauer and 24? Which is coming back to Fox for a limited engagement (12 hours, not 24).

Worse. Revolution.

63 lawhawk  Mon, May 13, 2013 11:45:39am

re: #62 Kragar

Yeah, just saw that (and edited my response above accordingly).

64 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, May 13, 2013 11:45:52am

re: #60 Bear

I think that IQ tests depend upon education level. To me a better measure of IQ would be the ability to survive in your environment. Could you survive in the arctic? In the Amazon forest? All without external aids?

Also the notion of various forms of intelligence.

And of the cultural convention that taking written tests is important, so always do well on them, the future of your race might depend on it someday if the Heritage Foundation finally prevails…

65 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 13, 2013 11:46:58am

re: #60 Bear

I think that IQ tests depend upon education level. To me a better measure of IQ would be the ability to survive in your environment. Could you survive in the arctic? In the Amazon forest? All without external aids?

I think that most “IQ” tests are graded on how accurately, and how fast, you can solve certain types of logic puzzles.

Also I am pretty sure that my “IQ” has deteriorated since the time that I was taking advanced mathematics courses and solving equations that I have never ever used during my career.

66 lawhawk  Mon, May 13, 2013 11:47:16am

re: #60 Bear

I think that IQ tests depend upon education level. To me a better measure of IQ would be the ability to survive in your environment. Could you survive in the arctic? In the Amazon forest? All without external aids?

Maybe if you’re Grylls (and you’re not shacking up in motels between takes). /

67 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 13, 2013 11:47:44am

re: #62 Kragar

Worse. Revolution.

I never watched that show, but read some reviews that said it was the Lamest. Show. Ever.

68 Bear  Mon, May 13, 2013 11:47:51am

re: #64 Sol Berdinowitz

What if the written test is in a language you do not know? Then IQ score probably near zero.

69 engineer cat  Mon, May 13, 2013 11:48:43am

$300 suits

$300 would be on the inexpensive side at men’s wearhouse

70 Amory Blaine  Mon, May 13, 2013 11:50:58am

Owner class hires undocumented workers to do their dirty work. Then spends their capital on studies to attack the workers.

71 engineer cat  Mon, May 13, 2013 11:53:16am

if the IQ issue cut the wrong way for wingnut racists, they would all be screaming about how it’s elitist bullshit

72 goddamnedfrank  Mon, May 13, 2013 11:53:26am

re: #46 Kragar

Top Conservative Publication Defends Linking Hispanics To Low IQ

What’s weird is that Richwine’s dissertation, as abhorrent, unscientific and horribly executed as it is, doesn’t even attempt link hispanics per se to low IQ, but hispanic immigrants. Even he draws a line between those two population sets of data. Of course it goes way beyond the capacity for honesty either he or his supporters are capable of to factor in how the US underground market for uneducated and unskilled labor might preferentially draw in labor from nations with the greatest geographic proximity to the US, and how undocumented status intrinsically acts to keep people from fully integrating.

An honest researcher could take the same, albeit massively cherrypicked, data and used to to make a much more convincing public policy argument about the need for amnesty and a systemic immigration overhaul that daylights all levels of the US labor market.

73 Bulworth  Mon, May 13, 2013 11:54:15am

re: #71 engineer cat

if the IQ issue cut the wrong way for wingnut racists, they would all be screaming about how it’s elitist bullshit

Skewed!

74 FemNaziBitch  Mon, May 13, 2013 11:54:55am

re: #73 Bulworth

I think you forgot an “r”

75 goddamnedfrank  Mon, May 13, 2013 11:56:35am

re: #54 Vicious Babushka

I still don’t understand the importance attached to “IQ” and how it correlates to human accomplishment. For one thing, we have a stereotype of people who score very high on standard “IQ” tests, who are socially low-functioning (so-called “nerds), while people who may achieve only moderate “IQ” scores have highly developed social skills and achieve higher success than the “nerds.”

Success is also correlated with a certain capacity for self deception. Sucks but it’s true.

Most people deceive themselves at least occasionally. For example, we may see ourselves as more attractive or skillful than we really are, giving us confidence during speeches or meetings; or we may overestimate our chances of succeeding at new ventures, to muster the courage to get started. But only in the past five years have behavioral scientists begun using new, experimental research techniques to understand when and why we are most likely to lie to ourselves.

An ability to block out negatives can be helpful in facing tough challenges, scientists say. An oft-cited 1991 study of 40 competitive collegiate swimmers found those who were more likely to deceive themselves by blocking out negative information were also more likely to win races. Using a scale with questions designed to measure self-deceptive tendencies and a visual test using pairs of positive and negative words to see which swimmers noticed the positive words and blocked out the negative ones, the researchers discovered that swimmers who qualified for a national championship engaged in more self-deception than those who didn’t qualify.

76 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 13, 2013 11:57:36am

re: #75 goddamnedfrank

Success is also correlated with a certain capacity for self deception. Sucks but it’s true.

“Never tell me the odds!”

77 Amory Blaine  Mon, May 13, 2013 11:57:51am

re: #75 goddamnedfrank

You don’t have to run faster than the bear, only faster than your friend.

78 Kragar  Mon, May 13, 2013 11:58:07am

re: #67 Vicious Babushka

I never watched that show, but read some reviews that said it was the Lamest. Show. Ever.

The 10 Dumbest Things on TV So Far This Season (9 of which were on Revolution)

#10. The Ultimate Anti-Sniper Strategy (Revolution)

The premise of the new J.J. Abrams/Eric Kripke drama Revolution is that all the electricity went out for some mysterious reason and we have gone back to lifestyles of the Civil War, complete with Civil War uniforms and, for some reason, muskets.

I don’t really know guns, but you know, they’re the kind you have to muzzle load like you are one of George Washington’s soldiers.

I don’t know why they use muskets, because I’m pretty sure the manufacturing process for a repeating rifle (you put in a bunch of rounds and take a bunch of shots in a row) doesn’t require electricity, since they’ve been making them since the mid-1800s or something. I mean, the machine gun was invented during the Civil War. You can make some pretty deadly guns without electricity. It’s not some ragtag bunch of outlaws, either — it’s the dominant military power in what’s left of the U.S. I don’t know, maybe they burned all the books about how to make things and raided a Civil War museum. Whatever.

The point is that the bad guys have muskets in this particular scene, and they run into a good guy sitting on a roof with a modern military sniper rifle.

Bad news for them! The commander quickly pulls all his troops under cover (well, apparently it takes him several hours, because it gets dark) and formulates a plan.

Quick, what kind of plan would you come up with to take out a sniper, an enemy who can quickly and accurately take out single targets? That’s right! Send one guy at a time! “Go go go!” he says.

The guy go go goes!

Blam! Thump. Oh, that didn’t work. What does he do now?

He thinks about it. “Send another man!” he says. His reasoning is that soon they will run out of bullets. I don’t know, how about maybe send 10 guys at him? Maybe the sniper shoots three of them and the other seven take the roof and cave the guy’s head in, because the sniper is all alone on the roof for some reason and all the good guys are inside talking about their feelings. Or I don’t know, keep sending lone guys, hoping that one of them is bulletproof.

79 iossarian  Mon, May 13, 2013 11:58:35am

re: #71 engineer cat

if the IQ issue cut the wrong way for wingnut racists, they would all be screaming about how it’s elitist bullshit

Well, looky what we have here:

american.com

80 iossarian  Mon, May 13, 2013 11:58:53am

re: #79 iossarian

Well, looky what we have here:

american.com

Check out the author of that piece.

81 Lidane  Mon, May 13, 2013 12:00:27pm

re: #46 Kragar

Top Conservative Publication Defends Linking Hispanics To Low IQ

This must be more of that conservative rebranding.

I’m sure Latinos will be lined up around the block to vote for people who argue that they’re stupid.

82 Charleston Chew  Mon, May 13, 2013 12:01:02pm
And the guy is abandoned and left with people thinking that he’s a racist and that’s what motivates the study. Why is it that we never circle the wagons around our own and speak out to defend and protect them. The left will always protect their own, no matter what and they win the debates in public opinion. When are we going to learn that we have got to back up our folks and stand up the the race baiters? I’m so sick of thisl

This comment paints a good portrait of conservative psychology and shows the problem Republicans have had for almost a decade now. Remember when people started using the term RINO?

Every time they “circle the wagons” the circle gets a little smaller.

83 stabby  Mon, May 13, 2013 12:03:26pm

But of course racism is not “hard to recover from” it’s the Republicans current strategy.

1) attract a core of white racists

2) redistrict and change the electoral college rules state by state so that old white racists’ votes count for a lot more than everyone else’s

They’re imagining a bridge to a bright new 21st century white supremicist nation!

84 stabby  Mon, May 13, 2013 12:06:17pm

re: #79 iossarian

Well if you follow the stats, Jews and Asians are on average smarter than caucasians…

I looked at some stats once that were impressive about how Japanese children measure lots of years ahead of American children the same age… by adulthood Americans have caught up, somewhat.

85 Romantic Heretic  Mon, May 13, 2013 1:19:26pm

re: #78 Kragar

The 10 Dumbest Things on TV So Far This Season (9 of which were on Revolution)

Snip!

Quick, what kind of plan would you come up with to take out a sniper, an enemy who can quickly and accurately take out single targets? That’s right! Send one guy at a time! “Go go go!” he says.

The guy go go goes!

Blam! Thump. Oh, that didn’t work. What does he do now?

He thinks about it. “Send another man!” he says. His reasoning is that soon they will run out of bullets. I don’t know, how about maybe send 10 guys at him? Maybe the sniper shoots three of them and the other seven take the roof and cave the guy’s head in, because the sniper is all alone on the roof for some reason and all the good guys are inside talking about their feelings. Or I don’t know, keep sending lone guys, hoping that one of them is bulletproof.

Obviously the commander in question has been studying the works of Field Marshall Sir Douglas Haig, Marshalls Foch and Gamelin along with that brilliant general Erich Ludendorff.

History/


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