In Historic Vote, MN Senate Approves Marriage Equality Bill

Another state says no to the religious right agenda
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Michele Bachmann inconsolable.

With deafening cheers and overwhelming emotion, the Minnesota Senate voted 37-30 to legalize same-sex marriage.

“Today, love wins,” said Sen. Tony Lourey, DFL-Kerrick.

The vote, on the heels of a vote last week in the House, brings to a close a decade of debate over marriage that has echoed through the Capitol, bringing thousands of friends and foes of gay marriage to its marbled dome to express their deeply held feelings.

The measure next moves to Gov. Mark Dayton, who will welcome it with his signature in a celebratory ceremony at 5 p.m. Tuesday on the south steps of the Capitol.

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247 comments
1 Charles Johnson  Mon, May 13, 2013 3:38:31pm

I’ve seen some people tweeting that Bachmann threatened to leave the state if the bill passed.

Fact-check: false.

She never said that. It’s from one of those Daily Currant “satires.”

2 Romantic Heretic  Mon, May 13, 2013 3:38:45pm

Hooray!

3 erik_t  Mon, May 13, 2013 3:38:46pm

Note there is a Daily Currant article floating around the internet talking about how Bachmann is pledging to leave the state etc etc. Do not fall for those assholes.

More importantly, happy congratulations to the fine folks of the northwoods.

*EDIT* FIFTEEN DANG SECONDS LATE

4 Charles Johnson  Mon, May 13, 2013 3:41:11pm

Snag!

5 Targetpractice  Mon, May 13, 2013 3:41:43pm

At about this point, I think SCOTUS is in a bit of a pickle. This makes…what, 3 or 4 states that have either legalized gay marriage or begun the process of doing so since they took up the twin cases of Prop 8 and DOMA?

6 thedopefishlives  Mon, May 13, 2013 3:42:39pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

I’ve seen some people tweeting that Bachmann threatened to leave the state if the bill passed.

Fact-check: false.

She never said that. It’s from one of those Daily Currant “satires.”

It’s too bad, we could stand to get rid of her. But then, nobody would take her, either.

7 Kragar  Mon, May 13, 2013 3:45:25pm

Bachmann Urges ‘Spiritual Warfare’ to Enforce Right-Wing Policies

Its only Sharia and Jihad when Muslim extremists do it.

8 GeneJockey  Mon, May 13, 2013 3:47:05pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

A man can dream…

9 darthstar  Mon, May 13, 2013 3:49:10pm

Michele Bachmann, do you know where your husband is?

10 Decatur Deb  Mon, May 13, 2013 3:49:24pm

They’re lumberjacks, and they’re OK.

11 thedopefishlives  Mon, May 13, 2013 3:50:41pm

re: #9 darthstar

Michele Bachmann, do you know where your husband is?

There’s 10,000 lakes and the fishing opener was this weekend. Your guess is as good as anybody’s.

12 Kragar  Mon, May 13, 2013 3:51:25pm

Townhall: 25 Reasons To Dislike Liberals

2) Because the closest thing to Sodom and Gomorrah in the modern world is San Francisco and Berkeley.

5) The same people who voted Jimmy Carter and Barack Obama into office think they’re smarter than tradition, the Founding Fathers and God Himself.

11) The dumbest, most close-minded and mean spirited people in all of politics are inevitably liberals who are convinced they’re brilliant, open-minded and compassionate because they call themselves liberals.

23) Because liberals are unable to ever admit they’re wrong, they systematically ruin and destroy everything they become involved with and then either point the finger elsewhere or demand even more government involvement to fix the problems they created.

13 Kragar  Mon, May 13, 2013 3:53:02pm

North Miami Mayoral Candidate Says She is Endorsed by Jesus Christ

A mayoral candidate in North Miami claims she has received an endorsement from a higher power.

Campaign posters for Anna L. Pierre tout that she was endorsed by Jesus Christ.

Pierre is the same candidate who claimed last month that voodoo was being used against her:

14 makeitstop  Mon, May 13, 2013 3:53:06pm

re: #12 Kragar

Townhall: 25 Reasons To Dislike Liberals

That’s some projector they’ve got there.

15 Targetpractice  Mon, May 13, 2013 3:53:41pm

What a shocker, the apparent reason that the DOJ has obtained the AP’s phone records for two months? The AP’s under investigation because somebody’s been leaking info to their reporters about a foiled terrorist attack.

16 thedopefishlives  Mon, May 13, 2013 3:54:32pm

re: #15 Targetpractice

What a shocker, the apparent reason that the DOJ has obtained the AP’s phone records for two months? The AP’s under investigation because somebody’s been leaking info to their reporters about a foiled terrorist attack.

Wow. So you mean, there’s no legitimate reason for the OUTRAGEOUS OUTRAGE that’s been scalding my Facebook feed? Imagine that.

17 darthstar  Mon, May 13, 2013 3:54:36pm

Not entirely off topic, one of our friends who was over for dinner last night was talking about how one of the women she’s dating wants her to take a more, shall we say, dominant role in their relationship (a certain ‘hard’ ware purchase is involved). I said if she wanted it to be realistic she needed to find a dildo that timed out after 45 seconds. Both she and my wife spit wine at that one.

18 Bubblehead II  Mon, May 13, 2013 3:56:00pm
19 GeneJockey  Mon, May 13, 2013 3:57:09pm

re: #16 thedopefishlives

Wow. So you mean, there’s no legitimate reason for the OUTRAGEOUS OUTRAGE that’s been scalding my Facebook feed? Imagine that.

Now, wait - remember, there’s a Democrat in the White House. That means this is an Unprecedented Power Grab By A Dictatorial President, not the Urgent National Security Action it would have been under a Republican.

20 GeneJockey  Mon, May 13, 2013 4:01:14pm

re: #12 Kragar

Wingnuts are big on this kind of list. I can’t count the number of times I’ve seen, “The Top 20 Things You Must Believe To Be A Liberal”. Of course, there’s more projection there than in a 20-screen Giga-Cine-Plex!

21 klys  Mon, May 13, 2013 4:04:06pm

Completely OT, things that feel good: when you open a presentation (in this case, my dissertation defense) 2 months later and still think huh, that looks decent (from an aesthetic viewpoint).

So many people have no idea how to design presentations. This may be a pet peeve of mine.

22 Charles Johnson  Mon, May 13, 2013 4:05:08pm

re: #12 Kragar

Townhall: 25 Reasons To Dislike Liberals

From the hackiest of wingnut hacks, John Hawkins. He’s been spewing this kind of no-think BS for years like Old Faithful, at regular intervals.

23 AlexRogan  Mon, May 13, 2013 4:05:16pm

re: #10 Decatur Deb

They’re lumberjacks, and they’re OK.

Do they wear high heels, suspenders, and a bra?

24 klys  Mon, May 13, 2013 4:06:08pm

re: #22 Charles Johnson

From the hackiest of wingnut hacks, John Hawkins. He’s been spewing this kind of no-think BS for years like Old Faithful, at regular intervals.

That’s a horrible comparison. Geysers are beautiful.

Also, Old Faithful isn’t the most regular geyser. Just the most famous.

25 bratwurst  Mon, May 13, 2013 4:06:09pm

re: #21 klys

So many people have no idea how to design presentations. This may be a pet peeve of mine.

What, you mean reading the same words you are projecting via PowerPoint is not presentation design?!? //

26 GeneJockey  Mon, May 13, 2013 4:06:54pm

re: #21 klys

Hell, some folks can’t even design a SLIDE, let alone a presentation. My favorite - a 40 row, 20 column table with only text, which you’re supposed to be able to read from the audience.

27 GeneJockey  Mon, May 13, 2013 4:07:38pm

re: #22 Charles Johnson

Does he have his own webcam, like Old Faithful?
//

28 klys  Mon, May 13, 2013 4:07:44pm

re: #25 bratwurst

What, you mean reading the same words you are projecting via PowerPoint is not presentation design?!? //

Scientists tend to be guilty of the opposite: let’s put up an image that tells you nothing without extensive interpretation, which they will provide in the course of the talk. Of course, you won’t hear it because you’ll be too busy trying to figure out WTF is going on on the slide.

There is, in fact, a happy medium which lets people follow along/understand the slideshow without you giving the presentation to them. And still looks good while doing so.

29 GeneJockey  Mon, May 13, 2013 4:11:15pm

re: #28 klys

I spent 2 hours with my boss last week, trying to refine a slide. He spent a lot of that time sucking the useful information out of it, leaving a very bland husk.

30 klys  Mon, May 13, 2013 4:14:22pm

re: #29 GeneJockey

I spent 2 hours with my boss last week, trying to refine a slide. He spent a lot of that time sucking the useful information out of it, leaving a very bland husk.

Funny, I have one of those meetings scheduled for Wednesday.

Fortunately, my advisor generally gives good advice. I just get to feel all of five for the majority of it.

31 GeneJockey  Mon, May 13, 2013 4:15:53pm

re: #29 GeneJockey

To be fair, this was a slide someone besides the two of us might have to present, so dumbing it down might make sense, but I sometimes fear if you present dumbed-down presentations to smart people, they’ll assume you’re stupid, rather than assuming you assume they’re stupid.

32 Lidane  Mon, May 13, 2013 4:18:47pm

re: #12 Kragar

Townhall: 25 Reasons To Dislike Liberals

IMAX just called. They want in on that new projection technology.

33 GeneJockey  Mon, May 13, 2013 4:19:08pm

re: #30 klys

I worked for a condescending boss for 15 years. It took me about a month to realize that the most effective way to respond was to condescend right back at him when we were on MY technical turf rather than his. It worked pretty well, though people said we argued like an old married couple.

EDIT: This was peculiar to that particular guy. I don’t advise anyone else to do this in their own situation!

34 klys  Mon, May 13, 2013 4:19:22pm

re: #31 GeneJockey

To be fair, this was a slide someone besides the two of us might have to present, so dumbing it down might make sense, but I sometimes fear if you present dumbed-down presentations to smart people, they’ll assume you’re stupid, rather than assuming you assume they’re stupid.

I am in the middle of the “what do I assume my audience knows” game. It’s a relatively specific conference (assume they know a fair amount) embedded this year in a larger conference (…assume they don’t know any of the particulars, just the general theory). And since what I do is building off all the deviations from the general theory…

35 Lidane  Mon, May 13, 2013 4:22:29pm

re: #22 Charles Johnson

Speaking of no-thinking BS:

Because there is no other possible significance to the number 1776.

*headdesk*

36 GeneJockey  Mon, May 13, 2013 4:22:31pm

re: #34 klys

And then there’s the question of how much time you have to explain what they don’t know AND present the data the whole presentation is about in the first place.

37 klys  Mon, May 13, 2013 4:25:08pm

re: #36 GeneJockey

And then there’s the question of how much time you have to explain what they don’t know AND present the data the whole presentation is about in the first place.

Well, to be fair, these data are kind of an afterthought (appendix in my dissertation) and I’m not doing anything more with them. So I don’t mind them not being the main focus of the presentation. I suspect the folks who actually know this shit will find it kind of boring …but most of them probably work for a company that has all this figured out anyway, and an opportunity to smack the rest of them upside the head with a clue-by-four that says YOU CAN’T IGNORE THIS AND MAKE THE STANDARD ASSUMPTIONS is not to be missed yet.

Yes, I did double check to make sure I had the plural-ness of data right there.

38 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 13, 2013 4:33:28pm
39 jaunte  Mon, May 13, 2013 4:36:07pm

re: #12 Kragar

10) Liberals view hooking people on welfare and food stamps as a core part of their election strategy, which is terrible for the country, shows they have no character and requires more than a little hatred for poor people.

Because not going hungry is just like being hooked on drugs.

40 klys  Mon, May 13, 2013 4:37:01pm

re: #39 jaunte

Because not going hungry is just like being hooked on drugs.

Wait, is that’s seriously the grammar from the article? Really?

I’m going to go be depressed now.

41 SpaceJesus  Mon, May 13, 2013 4:37:59pm

sodomy everywhere

42 wrenchwench  Mon, May 13, 2013 4:40:59pm

Here’s a study about intelligence that I can get behind.

Bright Minds and Dark Attitudes
Lower Cognitive Ability Predicts Greater Prejudice Through Right-Wing Ideology and Low Intergroup Contact

Abstract

Despite their important implications for interpersonal behaviors and relations, cognitive abilities have been largely ignored as explanations of prejudice. We proposed and tested mediation models in which lower cognitive ability predicts greater prejudice, an effect mediated through the endorsement of right-wing ideologies (social conservatism, right-wing authoritarianism) and low levels of contact with out-groups. In an analysis of two large-scale, nationally representative United Kingdom data sets (N = 15,874), we found that lower general intelligence (g) in childhood predicts greater racism in adulthood, and this effect was largely mediated via conservative ideology. A secondary analysis of a U.S. data set confirmed a predictive effect of poor abstract-reasoning skills on antihomosexual prejudice, a relation partially mediated by both authoritarianism and low levels of intergroup contact. All analyses controlled for education and socioeconomic status. Our results suggest that cognitive abilities play a critical, albeit underappreciated, role in prejudice. Consequently, we recommend a heightened focus on cognitive ability in research on prejudice and a better integration of cognitive ability into prejudice models.

Emphasis added to the part that’s specifically On Topic.

43 GeneJockey  Mon, May 13, 2013 4:43:10pm

re: #41 SpaceJesus

sodomy everywhere

And not a drop to drink.

Wait…

//

44 Kragar  Mon, May 13, 2013 4:44:01pm

re: #41 SpaceJesus

sodomy everywhere

I’m never invited to the good stuff, dammit.

45 stabby  Mon, May 13, 2013 4:44:09pm

re: #39 jaunte

Because not going hungry is just like being hooked on drugs.

Jesus said that, didn’t he? That the poor should go naked and hungry so that they’re not spoiled?

He made loaves and fishes for the rich people who wouldn’t be corrupted by dependency right?

46 SpaceJesus  Mon, May 13, 2013 4:44:43pm

re: #43 GeneJockey

don’t drink sodomy.

here, have some freep tears

To: SeekAndFind

Folks over at HGTV are winning! Making fudge, and packing it. How nice.

40 posted on Monday, May 13, 2013 2:19:49 PM by showme_the_Glory (ILLEGAL: prohibited by law. ALIEN: Owing political allegiance to another country or government)
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47 SpaceJesus  Mon, May 13, 2013 4:45:26pm

HGTV, the vanguard of Satan’s war on America

48 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 13, 2013 4:45:47pm

Whoa, Piers Morgan is not happy with The Obama administration?

49 klys  Mon, May 13, 2013 4:45:55pm

CNN had their useful list of who is speaking at which commencement ceremony this year.

I’m skipping mine, thanks. (Diploma and hood are separate and I am not skipping that, thank you very much.)

50 stabby  Mon, May 13, 2013 4:46:03pm

PJ media is totally controlled registration. I wonder if that’s a trend, right wing sites being like the actual socialists.

If you ever try to post on actual socialist/communist sites you’ll find that they immediately delete any comments they don’t agree with.

Controlling the discussion…

51 A Mom Anon  Mon, May 13, 2013 4:46:38pm

re: #32 Lidane

Oh come on Hawkins, just use the word Hate, you know you want to. Dislike? Bullshit, you hate me and want me dead or in prison, just do me a favor and don’t bullshit about it.

I’m so tired of this shit, more than just about anything else. Liberals didn’t start this crap, conservatives did and there ought to be some damned consequences for it.

(I’m having a really horrible day, so if that’s a bit harsh, well, I don’t care)

52 majii  Mon, May 13, 2013 4:47:27pm

re: #12 Kragar
I don’t care if any of them like me or not. I plan to continue giving them hell because they’re dangerous to our democracy and our citizens. I’ve given them as much leeway as I plan to give them, and I hope other sane Americans adopt the same attitude toward them. I don’t hate them, I hate their attempts to turn this country into a theocracy underpinned by corporatism. I don’t have grandkids yet, but I sure as hell don’t want them living in a country that is dominated by these wacko nuts, and I didn’t spend 33 years teaching high school to have any of our young people end up under the control of these tools. They deserve better, and I feel I would be remiss if I failed, in any way, to confront the never-ending insanity I witness on the right every frigging day. As far as I am concerned, enough is enough.

53 GeneJockey  Mon, May 13, 2013 4:47:56pm

re: #51 A Mom Anon

Oh come on Hawkins, just use the word Hate, you know you want to. Dislike?

Dislikers gotta dislike.

54 Randall Gross  Mon, May 13, 2013 4:48:02pm

14 More states to a majority

55 klys  Mon, May 13, 2013 4:50:53pm

re: #52 majii

I don’t care if any of them like me or not. I plan to continue giving them hell because they’re dangerous to our democracy and our citizens. I’ve given them as much leeway as I plan to give them, and I hope other sane Americans adopt the same attitude toward them. I don’t hate them, I hate their attempts to turn this country into a theocracy underpinned by corporatism. I don’t have grandkids yet, but I sure as hell don’t want them living in a country that is dominated by these wacko nuts, and I didn’t spend 33 years teaching high school to have any of our young people end up under the control of these tools. They deserve better, and I feel I would be remiss if I failed, in any way, to confront the never-ending insanity I witness on the right every frigging day. As far as I am concerned, enough is enough.

INDOCTRINATOR!!!!!111

56 jaunte  Mon, May 13, 2013 4:51:07pm

Brian Brown Has The Minnesota Sadz

“Make no mistake, this vote will bring the demise of the DFL majority and end the careers of wayward Republicans in the Legislature once voters have their say.” — Brian Brown, NOM president —
……
“The people of Minnesota did not vote for gay marriage in 2012,” said Brown. “They voted to maintain traditional marriage by maintaining the status quo. Our opponents bought a victory by claiming that marriage was not under threat of redefinition, but in fact they always intended to redefine it at the soonest possible moment. Legislators who voted to redefine marriage were foolish to do so. They cast a terrible vote that damages society, tells children they don’t deserve a mother and a father, and brands supporters of traditional marriage as bigots. We predict that this vote will be career ending for many legislators in Minnesota.”

57 jaunte  Mon, May 13, 2013 4:51:24pm

Own it, bigots.

58 stabby  Mon, May 13, 2013 4:52:05pm

PJ Media is has Ramond Ibrahim promoting his book “Crucified Again: Exposing Islam’s New War on Christians” and his interview with Glen Beck.

pjmedia.com

I don’t think I can bring myself to watch.

59 SteveMcGazi  Mon, May 13, 2013 4:52:48pm

re: #42 wrenchwench

I had a personally horrifying cognitive experience this winter. I’m going back to school after thirty years in my little hole in the world. I alwys figured I’d have this big brain waiting for me when I came back out. School started off easy enough, the first year was basically stuff I already knew. Well, I get to Anatomy and Physiology and microbiology which is new to me so I finally had a challenge. I fell flat on my face. I couldn’t memorize anything. I was really freaked out about it and I really had nowhere to go. Nobody believed that I was once a genius I guess. The final insult was taking an IQ test in Developmental psychology class. I just happened to draw the mid-life crisis subject for my presentation and crystallized intellect was one of the features (FWIW Mid-life crisis is a myth). I couldn’t break 145. I tried test after test. I figure you shold get a 10 point penalty just for taking an IQ test, but still… The moral is, like anything, use it or lose it.

60 A Mom Anon  Mon, May 13, 2013 4:53:00pm

re: #56 jaunte

Aww boo freaking hoo. Poor thing. Who would have guessed being a hateful douche hammer loses it’s luster after awhile. My heart, it bleeds…nope.

61 stabby  Mon, May 13, 2013 4:53:44pm

Though to be fair, Christians really are badly oppressed under Islamic regimes though nowhere else.

I guess we should remember that there’s one situation where they aren’t crying wolf.

62 SpaceJesus  Mon, May 13, 2013 4:54:32pm

re: #61 stabby

But America is under a Kenyan-Islamo regime.

checkmate, libtard

63 stabby  Mon, May 13, 2013 4:54:45pm

re: #59 SteveMcGazi

145 is high, and people a lot lower than that make it through college no problem.

64 SteveMcGazi  Mon, May 13, 2013 4:54:52pm

re: #61 stabby

Though to be fair, Christians really are badly oppressed under Islamic regimes though nowhere else.

I guess we should remember that there’s one situation where they aren’t crying wolf.

Don’t you read the interwebz - this is a muslim regime!

65 SpaceJesus  Mon, May 13, 2013 4:55:03pm

sorry, reading freep

66 stabby  Mon, May 13, 2013 4:56:09pm

re: #59 SteveMcGazi

I made it through school while quite sick…
The one thing that screwed me up was being given an antidepressant that temporarily ruined my ability to learn.

Perhaps you’re on a medication that’s messing you up?

67 klys  Mon, May 13, 2013 4:56:43pm

Last week, when I joined my friend and her husband for dinner following her successful defense, the conversation did eventually turn to politics (somewhat rare, as I frequently don’t discuss that with friends). They’re both devout Christians, but I was very happy (although not surprised, having known them both for at least 10 years now) to hear them both against restrictions on marriage - gay or otherwise.

Hearing her description of some of the anti-science mindset that shows up in their church was humorous, if not sad.

The tide is turning against the conservatives on this issue - there are a lot of people my age who have gay friends and aren’t willing to sit down and allow their friends denied rights. You cannot call yourself pro-freedom but want to restrict rights from others. I’m sorry. To so many of us, that’s bullshit, and while I might be willing to at least listen and come to compromise on some of the financial issues (not saying I’ll agree, but I’ll at least listen), this is non-negotiable. Nor is women’s rights.

So yeah, I’ve never voted for a Republican. Despite that’s horribly deceptive ballot my first year that tried to get me to vote for Bush (lines were off by one, so filling in the bubble next to Kerry’s name would actually …count towards Bush).

In other news, I post here a lot when trying to avoid work.

68 stabby  Mon, May 13, 2013 4:58:47pm

Only one person in 407 can get 145 or higher on an IQ test.

69 SteveMcGazi  Mon, May 13, 2013 4:59:30pm

re: #66 stabby

No meds. I think I just spent too many years running a little factory putting the same fires out over and over again. Funny thing is I don’t feel any different. Lots of things I can still do in a split second, but they are things I could already do. I couldn’t even memorize the 12 cranial nerves. Things should still work out allright, it was just that cognition thing wrenchy put up that mde me think of it.

70 stabby  Mon, May 13, 2013 5:01:00pm

re: #69 SteveMcGazi

My memory stopped being good when I hit 18 or so.

When I was a teen you could pick up any book on my book shelf, read a sentence, and I could tell you what book.

Oh hell no now.

71 majii  Mon, May 13, 2013 5:01:07pm

re: #48 NJDhockeyfan

He’s trying to work his way back into the good graces of the movers and shakers on the right, the ones he socializes with, after supporting gun control. I don’t give a good flip what Piers Morgan thinks. He works for CNN, so I know he has his marching orders in regard to Benghazi. Any network with a CEO who applauds its employees after they f*cked up several times in their reporting on the Boston Marathon bombing is not credible. Morgan shares a common characteristic of most TV talking heads—he doesn’t spend any time really investigating anything, and it’s quite obvious to those of us who are well-read on current events. Why these networks continue paying them multiple thousands/millions per year is very puzzling to me.

72 GeneJockey  Mon, May 13, 2013 5:01:14pm

re: #69 SteveMcGazi

You’re not turning racist, are you?

//

73 SteveMcGazi  Mon, May 13, 2013 5:02:09pm

re: #68 stabby

Just for the record, in 1979 I was literally off the chart. I had a perfect score in 3 and a half minutes. Now some wonder why I “went off the grid” when I should have been making millions and curing cancer but all I’ll say is I’m surprised I’m still alive.

74 SteveMcGazi  Mon, May 13, 2013 5:02:58pm

re: #72 GeneJockey

You’re not turning racist, are you?

//

I used to be. No shit, I was a vicious SOB.

75 wrenchwench  Mon, May 13, 2013 5:03:04pm

re: #59 SteveMcGazi

I had a personally horrifying cognitive experience this winter. I’m going back to school after thirty years in my little hole in the world. I alwys figured I’d have this big brain waiting for me when I came back out. School started off easy enough, the first year was basically stuff I already knew. Well, I get to Anatomy and Physiology and microbiology which is new to me so I finally had a challenge. I fell flat on my face. I couldn’t memorize anything. I was really freaked out about it and I really had nowhere to go. Nobody believed that I was once a genius I guess. The final insult was taking an IQ test in Developmental psychology class. I just happened to draw the mid-life crisis subject for my presentation and crystallized intellect was one of the features (FWIW Mid-life crisis is a myth). I couldn’t break 145. I tried test after test. I figure you shold get a 10 point penalty just for taking an IQ test, but still… The moral is, like anything, use it or lose it.

You’re complaining about 145? What did you expect?

76 klys  Mon, May 13, 2013 5:03:21pm

re: #69 SteveMcGazi

No meds. I think I just spent too many years running a little factory putting the same fires out over and over again. Funny thing is I don’t feel any different. Lots of things I can still do in a split second, but they are things I could already do. I couldn’t even memorize the 12 cranial nerves. Things should still work out allright, it was just that cognition thing wrenchy put up that mde me think of it.

Memorization is a totally different skill than what those things test, though. Plus, it only measures one very specific thing.

I have a Ph.D. in a hard science and I can’t do languages for shit. Twelve years of studying Spanish got me to the point where I can make myself understood in a non-scripted conversation but I know my verb tenses are all shot to hell and people are just figuring out what I’m trying to say.

77 stabby  Mon, May 13, 2013 5:04:06pm

re: #73 SteveMcGazi

My IQ has been up and down and up… I had some kind of brain damage at one point… I had to learn math over again at one point :/

It’s an amazing thing my memory has been improving over the last few decades. They don’t tell you that it works both ways.

78 SteveMcGazi  Mon, May 13, 2013 5:04:50pm

re: #70 stabby

My memory stopped being good when I hit 18 or so.

When I was a teen you could pick up any book on my book shelf, read a sentence, and I could tell you what book.

Oh hell no now.

My overwhelming talent is going through the radio buttons in ten seconds and not only naming all the songs, but also whether it was the beginning middle or end of the songs! And I was awesome watching Jeopardy on TV.

79 GeneJockey  Mon, May 13, 2013 5:08:14pm

re: #78 SteveMcGazi

And I was awesome watching Jeopardy on TV.

Idiot! Those prizes are rightfully mine!

10 points if you know the reference.

80 majii  Mon, May 13, 2013 5:10:23pm

re: #56 jaunte

This is some of the most asinine BS I’ve read in a very long time. If any American who opposes gay marriage would do one thing, he/she could live in peace, imo—mind their own damn business. These folks are extremely nosy, not curious, nosy. I always find it amusing that the party of small government wants government to be so large that it can peer into women’s vaginas and into every bedroom in the country. I see why I fit on the Townhall list—I don’t care how others live their lives, and this includes what they do in the privacy of their own bedrooms. They’ll never find moi standing outside their window playing Peeping Tomasina. I have my own life to live, and it keeps me pretty busy.

81 SteveMcGazi  Mon, May 13, 2013 5:11:10pm

re: #79 GeneJockey

Idiot! Those prizes are rightfully mine!

10 points if you know the reference.

Don’t know it, but I was disappointed I couldn’t take Global History I this summer because of scheduling. All I could think of was HIstory of the World Part I. Shame they never made a sequel. And I miss Madeline Kahn (“I love quick time harch”)

82 stabby  Mon, May 13, 2013 5:11:25pm

Someone should do a plot, racism vs. IQ.

That’s got to leave a mark!

83 SteveMcGazi  Mon, May 13, 2013 5:12:01pm

God gave me these fifte — ten commandments…

84 GeneJockey  Mon, May 13, 2013 5:12:54pm

re: #83 SteveMcGazi

“Do I have any openings this man might fit?”

85 SteveMcGazi  Mon, May 13, 2013 5:13:02pm

re: #82 stabby

Someone should do a plot, racism vs. IQ.

That’s got to leave a mark!

Racism is as much morality based and cognition based.

86 wrenchwench  Mon, May 13, 2013 5:13:18pm

re: #82 stabby

Someone should do a plot, racism vs. IQ.

That’s got to leave a mark!

Dude, don’t you know that you’re supposed to read the whole thread before you can make a comment?

/

87 stabby  Mon, May 13, 2013 5:13:30pm

re: #85 SteveMcGazi

:/ what do you mean by that?

88 SteveMcGazi  Mon, May 13, 2013 5:13:34pm

re: #84 GeneJockey

“Do I have any openings this man might fit?”

How’d I miss that? I gotta get that movie.

89 Kragar  Mon, May 13, 2013 5:14:26pm

re: #84 GeneJockey

“Do I have any openings this man might fit?”

This is a hip crowd.

90 thedopefishlives  Mon, May 13, 2013 5:14:35pm

re: #83 SteveMcGazi

God gave me these fifte — ten commandments…

Did I f***ing stutter?

91 The Mountain That Blogs  Mon, May 13, 2013 5:14:55pm

re: #83 SteveMcGazi

92 majii  Mon, May 13, 2013 5:15:02pm

re: #59 SteveMcGazi

Mnemonic devices should help. Something similar happened to me. I earned my first master’s degree a few years after completing college. I decided I didn’t want to teach middle school, so quite a few years later, I decided to earn a second master’s in my field of study. It was very different going back to grad school the second time around.

93 SteveMcGazi  Mon, May 13, 2013 5:16:33pm

re: #87 stabby

:/ what do you mean by that?

Once upon a time I was probably about as vicious as the guy played by Edward Norton in American History X. Part of my collapse when I was young was when all my preconceptions about the world came crashing down. I don’t where I ever got that shit from, it certainly wasn’t in my family’s make-up. I also knew better than to treat people and say things that I did, but it didn’t stop me.

94 stabby  Mon, May 13, 2013 5:16:50pm

He still hasn’t answered what “Racism is as much morality based and cognition based” means…

I think racists are supremely creepy people who obsess over how much sex people who don’t look like them have - have memorized infinite statistics about their birth rates, and rates on every obscure crime you can think of…

They throw this crap at you and you have to imagine their days obsessively reading statistics hoping to condemn people who look different.

95 wrenchwench  Mon, May 13, 2013 5:17:29pm
96 Targetpractice  Mon, May 13, 2013 5:17:58pm

Damn, forgot Last Light comes out tomorrow. Guess I’ll be up late to watch the streams.

97 GeneJockey  Mon, May 13, 2013 5:19:23pm

re: #96 Targetpractice

Damn, forgot Last Light comes out tomorrow.

I read that as “‘Last NIGHT’ comes out tomorrow”. Seemed a little surreal.

98 stabby  Mon, May 13, 2013 5:20:24pm

re: #93 SteveMcGazi

I didn’t see that movie.

Well moralistic attitudes are a meme, and children are vulnerable to simple memes, I suppose.

My own attitude has always been opposite. Even before I knew was sex was I had absorbed enough rants by moralists vs. hippies to realize that sexual repression makes people angry and hateful, as does having unrealistic beliefs.

So, strange as it sounds, I’ve always been an anti-moralist. My belief is that what are called morals are mostly a sort of sickness.

99 GeneJockey  Mon, May 13, 2013 5:21:33pm

re: #93 SteveMcGazi

Garden variety alienation? Seems to hit a lot of young men. Most just act like assholes. An infinitesimal fraction do really bad shit.

100 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, May 13, 2013 5:21:38pm

re: #90 thedopefishlives

Did I f***ing stutter?

I love that cartoon. Good theology :) I printed it out and attached it to the inside cover of my personal prayer book. I should probably show it to my priest on Sunday - he’ll get a laugh out of it too.

101 SteveMcGazi  Mon, May 13, 2013 5:22:29pm

re: #92 majii

I appreciate it. My first instinct is to say mnenomics are for little people. (The arrogance still burns brightly). In my humilition upon discovering that I was no longer a super genius, I even resorted to studying. What seems to work best for me is to read the notes aloud, record them and listen to myself over and over. It’s interesting that some people picture the images of theiir notes on the pages, but in my case it’s the sound of the words that sticks. So when I see a question, I sort of play the tape of that part of the material. FF, RW, pause.

102 GeneJockey  Mon, May 13, 2013 5:24:13pm

re: #79 GeneJockey

Idiot! Those prizes are rightfully mine!

10 points if you know the reference.

Life in Hell, “So You Want To Be An Unrecognized Genius” - Matt Groening.

103 Bubblehead II  Mon, May 13, 2013 5:24:41pm

Night Lizards,

Stabby, go finger you self. Get rid of that tension.

104 stabby  Mon, May 13, 2013 5:26:19pm

re: #102 GeneJockey

Why does that bunny have two ears?

re: #103 Bubblehead II

Night Lizards,

Stabby, gou finger you self. Get rid of that tension.

despite my pic, I is a boy. So that would be pretty gay :p Where’s my vibrator?

105 GeneJockey  Mon, May 13, 2013 5:27:54pm

re: #104 stabby

Why does that bunny have two ears?

Because he’s not Bongo.

106 stabby  Mon, May 13, 2013 5:29:37pm

Image: cast.jpg

ah he’s binky

107 SteveMcGazi  Mon, May 13, 2013 5:29:42pm

re: #94 stabby

He still hasn’t answered what “Racism is as much morality based and cognition based” means…

I think racists are supremely creepy people who obsess over how much sex people who don’t look like them have - have memorized infinite statistics about their birth rates, and rates on every obscure crime you can think of…

They throw this crap at you and you have to imagine their days obsessively reading statistics hoping to condemn people who look different.

I see what you mean. The reason I feel that way is based on experience. The other people I knew who were like me weren’t idiots. Many people I know now who aren’t really racist aren’t necessarily specially bright. Therefore, I think it’s a moral flaw to think that you fellow man is inferior, corrupt, whatever, based on reason other than you just want to hate. Granted, thare are surely some sort of tribal issues involved, but in a cosmoploitan society, there really isn’t just a “Your kind” of people.

108 stabby  Mon, May 13, 2013 5:32:50pm

Sometimes I think that the extreme vs. moderate axis is “tribal feeling” vs. “not being an asshole”

I don’t get tribalism, I can’t even imagine caring about sports. I can’t imagine choosing my opinions to fit in. etc. etc.

109 Bubblehead II  Mon, May 13, 2013 5:34:01pm

re: #104 stabby

Why does that bunny have two ears?

re: #103 Bubblehead II

despite my pic, I is a boy. So that would be pretty gay :p Where’s my vibrator?

Smiles. Point proven. A posser and a Troll.

Night Lizards

Sleep well

110 Varek Raith  Mon, May 13, 2013 5:35:02pm

re: #62 SpaceJesus

But America is under a Kenyan-Islamo regime.

checkmate, libtard

Islamo-Atheist-Commie, you twit.

111 SteveMcGazi  Mon, May 13, 2013 5:35:32pm

re: #108 stabby

I think it’s actually harder to be an asshole that it is to be a normal person.

112 Varek Raith  Mon, May 13, 2013 5:36:26pm

re: #111 SteveMcGazi

I think it’s actually harder to be an asshole that it is to be a normal person.

You’re doing it wrong.
;)

113 thedopefishlives  Mon, May 13, 2013 5:38:14pm

re: #111 SteveMcGazi

I think it’s actually harder to be an asshole that it is to be a normal person.

If that were true, we wouldn’t have nearly as many of them.

114 stabby  Mon, May 13, 2013 5:38:26pm

But I know that dehumanizing others is a simple choice. We have some predator in our genes so we have the ability to turn off empathy selectively.

Unlike others, I seem to lack the ability to choose my beliefs. Either things are logical or not. So I can’t respect religion.

But I can chose not to feel guilty eating meat. It’s arbitrary.

But why don’t racists feel shame that the rest of humanity can SEE that they’ve chosen to mistreat some vast portion of humanity?

115 blueraven  Mon, May 13, 2013 5:39:26pm

re: #103 Bubblehead II

Night Lizards,

Stabby, go finger you self. Get rid of that tension.

Knock it off, you are acting like a 10 year old.

116 stabby  Mon, May 13, 2013 5:39:35pm

re: #109 Bubblehead II

Smiles. Point proven. A posser and a Troll.

Wow, the lack of self awareness is stunning.

Troll asshole.

117 Varek Raith  Mon, May 13, 2013 5:41:28pm

re: #114 stabby

But I know that dehumanizing others is a simple choice. We have some predator in our genes so we have the ability to turn off empathy selectively.

Unlike others, I seem to lack the ability to choose my beliefs. Either things are logical or not. So I can’t respect religion.

But I can chose not to feel guilty eating meat. It’s arbitrary.

But why don’t racists feel shame that the rest of humanity can SEE that they’ve chosen to mistreat some vast portion of humanity?

And yet you sound like Geller and Spencer when it comes to Islam.
Odd, that.

118 stabby  Mon, May 13, 2013 5:43:35pm

re: #117 Varek Raith

Beliefs have structure and results.

To pretend that there are no consequences to beliefs, that they’re all inherently equal is what Bill Maher correctly calls “some liberal bullshit”

119 Bubblehead II  Mon, May 13, 2013 5:55:06pm

re: #114 stabby

But I know that dehumanizing others is a simple choice. We have some predator in our genes so we have the ability to turn off empathy selectively.

Unlike others, I seem to lack the ability to choose my beliefs. Either things are logical or not. So I can’t respect religion.

But I can chose not to feel guilty eating meat. It’s arbitrary.

But why don’t racists feel shame that the rest of humanity can SEE that they’ve chosen to mistreat some vast portion of humanity?

WTF? I mean, reallt WRF?

120 stabby  Mon, May 13, 2013 5:56:46pm

Bubblehead II went through almost every comment I made in this thread and marked it down, no matter what the topic.

Butthurt troll

121 klys  Mon, May 13, 2013 5:59:54pm

re: #118 stabby

Just curious: do you agree with what Geller and Spencer say?

That’s sort of what this reply is implying, so I’m asking.

122 stabby  Mon, May 13, 2013 6:01:17pm

re: #121 klys

I’m being called and have to go make dinner.

I have said that Islam is worse than Christianity. I don’t even like Christianity, but I can distinguish better from worse.

That’s as much as I agree with them.

123 klys  Mon, May 13, 2013 6:03:31pm

re: #122 stabby

I’m being called and have to go make dinner.

I have said that Islam is worse than Christianity. I don’t even like Christianity, but I can distinguish better from worse.

That’s as much as I agree with them.

Recognizing that you have left and not expecting a rapid answer: why? What makes Islam ‘worse’ to you?

Again, asking in pursuit of clarification.

124 Decatur Deb  Mon, May 13, 2013 6:10:16pm

re: #113 thedopefishlives

If that were true, we wouldn’t have nearly as many of them.

That’s because normal persons are assholes part-time.

125 Kragar  Mon, May 13, 2013 6:18:44pm

Democrats at odds over California’s multi-billion dollar budget surplus

California is expected to see a budget surplus of about $4.5 billion thanks to a voter-approved tax increase, rising employment, increasing home prices, a surging stock market, and tens of billions in spending cuts.

Brown has indicated he plans to continue to cautiously restrain spending and pay down the state’s debt, though he also hopes to increase education funding for the underprivileged and expand the state’s Medicaid program.

But I thought raising taxes destroy revenue and would drive businesses from the state?

126 Targetpractice  Mon, May 13, 2013 6:21:13pm

re: #125 Kragar

Democrats at odds over California’s multi-billion dollar budget surplus

But I thought raising taxes destroy revenue and would drive businesses from the state?

I thought California was on the verge of bankruptcy and we’d have to bail it out?

//

127 Kragar  Mon, May 13, 2013 6:22:42pm

re: #126 Targetpractice

I thought California was on the verge of bankruptcy and we’d have to bail it out?

//

First comes the surplus revenue and growing economy, then comes the total and complete collapse.

128 Interesting Times  Mon, May 13, 2013 6:26:42pm

re: #127 Kragar

First comes the surplus revenue and growing economy, then comes the total and complete collapse.

That’s actually a pretty accurate description of the Clinton —> Bush transition.

129 austin_blue  Mon, May 13, 2013 6:30:43pm

re: #15 Targetpractice

What a shocker, the apparent reason that the DOJ has obtained the AP’s phone records for two months? The AP’s under investigation because somebody’s been leaking info to their reporters about a foiled terrorist attack.

I could not disagree more. If the Bush admin had done this, you would be calling on guts for garters and testicles on a stick. You don’t spy on the press for sources. You just don’t. If there is a leak in the government, that’s the government’s problem.

This is not an Outrageous Outrage. It’s legitimate, and heads should roll. If that means goodbye to the AG, so be it. He was in charge. And if that means anyone associated with this down the chain of command, so be it.

And by then way, you all know what an ACLU Liberal I am. This was just rock fucking dumb and beyond the pale.

130 Political Atheist  Mon, May 13, 2013 6:31:31pm

re: #125 Kragar

Democrats at odds over California’s multi-billion dollar budget surplus

But I thought raising taxes destroy revenue and would drive businesses from the state?

It might (some I mean not an epic exodus) and have all that and more revenue replaced by out of state online sellers. One caution-This is a short term test so far. Some say a lot of this was ne time to take advantage of tax rates before changes hit. Unemployment 9.4% a lot higher than the national, and in one of the biggest economies in the world. Top 10 anyway.

131 klys  Mon, May 13, 2013 6:33:58pm

re: #130 Political Atheist

It might (some I mean not an epic exodus) and have all that and more revenue replaced by out of state online sellers. One caution-This is a short term test so far. Some say a lot of this was ne time to take advantage of tax rates before changes hit. Unemployment 9.4% a lot higher than the national, and in one of the biggest economies in the world. Top 10 anyway.

It is certainly not all of CA but the boots-on-the-ground in Silicon Valley certainly seem to indicate that unemployment is on its way down. Housing prices are definitely up. The real estate market remains …fucked up to anyone not born in CA.

132 Charles Johnson  Mon, May 13, 2013 6:35:23pm

re: #129 austin_blue

I could not disagree more. If the Bush admin had done this, you would be calling on guts for garters and testicles on a stick. You don’t spy on the press for sources. You just don’t. If there is a leak in the government, that’s the government’s problem.

This is not an Outrageous Outrage. It’s legitimate, and heads should roll. If that means goodbye to the AG, so be it. He was in charge. And if that means anyone associated with this down the chain of command, so be it.

And by then way, you all know what an ACLU Liberal I am. This was just rock fucking dumb and beyond the pale.

Yup, I’m right there with you. The Justice Department really over-stepped their boundaries here. Nothing fake about this outrage.

133 Targetpractice  Mon, May 13, 2013 6:38:45pm

re: #129 austin_blue

I could not disagree more. If the Bush admin had done this, you would be calling on guts for garters and testicles on a stick. You don’t spy on the press for sources. You just don’t. If there is a leak in the government, that’s the government’s problem.

This is not an Outrageous Outrage. It’s legitimate, and heads should roll. If that means goodbye to the AG, so be it. He was in charge. And if that means anyone associated with this down the chain of command, so be it.

And by then way, you all know what an ACLU Liberal I am. This was just rock fucking dumb and beyond the pale.

The AP got info on a classified CIA operation last year involving an improved version of the underwear bomb, including that the plot had been foiled by an operative within Al-Q’s ranks. Their only concession to national security concerns was to hold off on reporting about it for a week, but then proceeded to not only explain that the CIA was involved and how it had effected the investigation, they acknowledged that there was a CIA operative within Al-Q’s ranks, potentially putting his life in danger.

The DOJ’s actions are part of an investigation into how the AP got that info, and they got the phone records (numbers and dates) through subpoenaing the phone company, something that requires a warrant and AP would know about. That the AP actually jumped up to scream about it is like a Congressman under investigation for corruption screaming that the subpoenaing of his phone records is a violation of his privacy.

134 FemNaziBitch  Mon, May 13, 2013 6:43:59pm

I’m pissed.

How is your evening?

135 BishopX  Mon, May 13, 2013 6:45:21pm

re: #133 Targetpractice

They grabbed every phone and fax communication from more than 100 reporters for more than two months. This included the AP office which covered the capitol as well as the reporters personal phones.

They should be screaming. Remember when Judith Miller went to prison over a source? That was one reporter. This was 100.

Fire their asses.

136 aagcobb  Mon, May 13, 2013 6:46:03pm

re: #134 FemNaziBitch

I’m pissed.

How is your evening?

Good. Sat outside and watched my girl’s first softball game of the season; just about a perfect spring evening.

137 klys  Mon, May 13, 2013 6:46:28pm

re: #134 FemNaziBitch

I’m pissed.

How is your evening?

Want to write this talk for me? Seven hours in and I have 11 slides outlined (not finished …outlined).

And a snarky husband to boot.

138 Targetpractice  Mon, May 13, 2013 6:46:38pm

re: #135 BishopX

They grabbed every phone and fax communication from more than 100 reporters, across 4 office and their personal lines for two months.

They should be screaming. Remember when Judith Miller went to prison over a source? That was one reporter. This was 100.

Fire their asses.

They got dates and numbers, which is nothing more than a starting place.

139 sattv4u2  Mon, May 13, 2013 6:49:34pm

re: #133 Targetpractice

something that requires a warrant and AP would know about.

Not sure if they were, or if they were, to what extent the subpoena would cover


News organizations normally are notified in advance that the government wants phone records and then they enter into negotiations over the desired information. In this case, however, the government, in its letter to the AP, cited an exemption to those rules that holds that prior notification can be waived if such notice, in the exemption’s wording, might “pose a substantial threat to the integrity of the investigation.”cover

apnews.myway.com

140 jaunte  Mon, May 13, 2013 6:50:04pm

No Warrant, No Problem: How The Government Can Still Get Your Digital Data

“…Police can get phone records without a warrant thanks to Smith v. Maryland, a Supreme Court ruling in 1979, which found that the Constitution’s Fourth Amendment protection against unreasonable search and seizure doesn’t apply to a list of phone numbers. The New York Times reported last week that the New York’s police department “has quietly amassed a trove” of call records by routinely issuing subpoenas for them from phones that had been reported stolen. According to The Times, the records “could conceivably be used for any investigative purpose.”

141 BishopX  Mon, May 13, 2013 6:50:22pm

re: #138 Targetpractice

Bullshit. They’re going to go into every single one of the ensuing interviews with the presumption that that person leaked info related the attempted may 2 bombing. The acceptable response would be to disclose what they actually talked about. That’s a tremendous amount of leverage.

142 Targetpractice  Mon, May 13, 2013 6:50:53pm

re: #139 sattv4u2


something that requires a warrant and AP would know about.

Not sure if they were, or if they were, to what extent the subpoena would

News organizations normally are notified in advance that the government wants phone records and then they enter into negotiations over the desired information. In this case, however, the government, in its letter to the AP, cited an exemption to those rules that holds that prior notification can be waived if such notice, in the exemption’s wording, might “pose a substantial threat to the integrity of the investigation.”cover

apnews.myway.com

That’s alright, seems I was mistaken. They don’t even need a subpoena to obtain the numbers and dates, courtesy of Smith v. Maryland.

143 Varek Raith  Mon, May 13, 2013 6:51:51pm
144 stabby  Mon, May 13, 2013 6:53:05pm

re: #134 FemNaziBitch

I’m pissed.

How is your evening?

Pissed in the British sense or the American sense?

145 Kragar  Mon, May 13, 2013 6:54:20pm

re: #143 Varek Raith

Don’t forget the best part:

Issa also assailed the U.S. government’s response to the attack, suggesting that military forces could have been deployed there easily.

“Quite frankly, you can take off from Washington, D.C. on a commercial flight and practically be in Benghazi by the end of seven hours,” Issa told Kelly.

146 blueraven  Mon, May 13, 2013 6:54:25pm

re: #132 Charles Johnson

Charles, when I click on a comment from a quoted post and then try to check the karma, I just get the box saying “Getting data”, but nothing comes up. For example, if I click on austin_blue’s #129 post from your #132, I cant check the karma, I have to scroll up to the actual post to see who dinged it.

This has only been happening recently, in the last week or so. I am in windows 8 and FF. Anyone else have this happen?

147 FemNaziBitch  Mon, May 13, 2013 6:57:06pm

re: #137 klys

Want to write this talk for me? Seven hours in and I have 11 slides outlined (not finished …outlined).

And a snarky husband to boot.

No, I don’t think you’d like the result,

but thanks for askin’!

148 klys  Mon, May 13, 2013 6:57:30pm

re: #146 blueraven

Charles, when I click on a comment from a quoted post and then try to check the karma, I just get the box saying “Getting data”, but nothing comes up. For example, if I click on austin_blue’s #129 post from your #132, I cant check the karma, I have to scroll up to the actual post to see who dinged it.

This has only been happening recently, in the last week or so. I am in windows 8 and FF. Anyone else have this happen?

I’ll comment, it’s hanging for me too on FF (up-to-date, whatever version that is), Windows 7.

149 FemNaziBitch  Mon, May 13, 2013 6:57:41pm

re: #144 stabby

Pissed in the British sense or the American sense?

American sense.

150 stabby  Mon, May 13, 2013 6:57:42pm

re: #123 klys

Got to go back to sauteing.

To put it in a nutshell, if you’re a Jew or a woman would you rather live in Saudi Arabia, the capital of Islam or in Italy, the capital of Catholicism?

Iran has jails for women (and little girls) who ran away from their husbands. Know any Christian nations where women are chattel?

I could go on and on and on.

151 goddamnedfrank  Mon, May 13, 2013 6:58:02pm

re: #129 austin_blue

I could not disagree more. If the Bush admin had done this, you would be calling on guts for garters and testicles on a stick. You don’t spy on the press for sources. You just don’t. If there is a leak in the government, that’s the government’s problem.

This is not an Outrageous Outrage. It’s legitimate, and heads should roll. If that means goodbye to the AG, so be it. He was in charge. And if that means anyone associated with this down the chain of command, so be it.

And by then way, you all know what an ACLU Liberal I am. This was just rock fucking dumb and beyond the pale.

Of course you’re right, but pragmatically, however free the press is, we as a society aren’t benefited by it growing complacent. It would serve reporters well to assume in practice that no normal channel of communication is safe, that all such assurances are hollow, and to plan accordingly.

In other words I have my doubts about our ability to actually make government more transparent, and that attempts to do so simply drive such programs further underground.

152 FemNaziBitch  Mon, May 13, 2013 6:59:06pm

re: #151 goddamnedfrank

Of course you’re right, but pragmatically, however free the press is, we as a society aren’t benefited by it growing complacent. It would serve reporters well to assume in practice that no normal channel of communication is safe, that all such assurances are hollow, and to plan accordingly.

In other words I have my doubts about our ability to actually make government more transparent, and that attempts to do so simply drive such programs further underground.

I rather agree. It’s like keeping two sets of books. Some things I don’t want to know about and really don’t need to know about.

153 Targetpractice  Mon, May 13, 2013 6:59:11pm

re: #141 BishopX

Bullshit. They’re going to go into every single one of the ensuing interviews with the presumption that that person leaked info related the attempted may 2 bombing. The acceptable response would be to disclose what they actually talked about. That’s a tremendous amount of leverage.

No different than when cops obtain phone records to aid in an investigation. Or is it different here because the perp wears a press badge?

154 jaunte  Mon, May 13, 2013 6:59:15pm

re: #145 Kragar

“Quite frankly, you can take off from Washington, D.C. on a commercial flight and practically be in Benghazi by the end of seven hours,” Issa told Kelly.

Image: Screen_Shot_2013-05-13_at_8.58.07_PM.png

155 Interesting Times  Mon, May 13, 2013 7:00:55pm

re: #154 jaunte

Image: Screen_Shot_2013-05-13_at_8.58.07_PM.png

Skewed flight times!!1!1ty

156 jaunte  Mon, May 13, 2013 7:01:38pm

re: #155 Interesting Times

STEP ON IT, I’M A CONGRESSMAN!

157 FemNaziBitch  Mon, May 13, 2013 7:03:05pm

I love these pictures.

I’m beginning to feel better

158 Varek Raith  Mon, May 13, 2013 7:04:10pm

Issa, you fucking moron.

159 goddamnedfrank  Mon, May 13, 2013 7:05:30pm

Pretty sure Issa thinks the X-Men are real and work for the US government.

160 stabby  Mon, May 13, 2013 7:05:34pm

re: #149 FemNaziBitch

The British sense is happier, maybe you should make margaritas.

161 jaunte  Mon, May 13, 2013 7:06:28pm

re: #157 FemNaziBitch

yoplayhouse.blogspot.com

162 SpaceJesus  Mon, May 13, 2013 7:07:02pm

re: #161 jaunte

naw

163 SpaceJesus  Mon, May 13, 2013 7:07:39pm
164 sattv4u2  Mon, May 13, 2013 7:10:33pm

And on that note, the long quiet drive home beckons

Oh ,, and Boston Bruins ,, HOLY SHIT!! don’t do that to an old man!!!

165 BongCrodny  Mon, May 13, 2013 7:11:40pm

re: #157 FemNaziBitch

I love these pictures.

I’m beginning to feel better

I’m getting a Dr. Seuss vibe.

166 Charles Johnson  Mon, May 13, 2013 7:12:44pm

re: #146 blueraven

Charles, when I click on a comment from a quoted post and then try to check the karma, I just get the box saying “Getting data”, but nothing comes up. For example, if I click on austin_blue’s #129 post from your #132, I cant check the karma, I have to scroll up to the actual post to see who dinged it.

This has only been happening recently, in the last week or so. I am in windows 8 and FF. Anyone else have this happen?

Reload the page and all will be fixed.

167 blueraven  Mon, May 13, 2013 7:14:02pm

re: #166 Charles Johnson

Reload the page and all will be fixed.

Thanks!

168 Interesting Times  Mon, May 13, 2013 7:18:12pm

re: #166 Charles Johnson

I forgot to mention it the last time you asked about features we’d like on LGF, but one thing I’d dearly love is the ability to search our favorites according to author or keywords - or if that’s too much work, popping up a box when you favorite an item so you can tag it right there - I never remember to tag them afterward, and now, I have nearly 1,500 favorites, the vast majority without manually added tags. Impossible to find what you’re looking for under those circumstances :(

169 Gus  Mon, May 13, 2013 7:18:57pm

[x] Whiskey

170 Targetpractice  Mon, May 13, 2013 7:21:23pm

re: #169 Gus

[x] Whiskey

[x] Democracy

171 jaunte  Mon, May 13, 2013 7:22:13pm

[x] Beer for the llamas

172 jaunte  Mon, May 13, 2013 7:23:46pm
173 SpaceJesus  Mon, May 13, 2013 7:25:17pm

haha “canadian space agency”

174 Targetpractice  Mon, May 13, 2013 7:25:39pm

re: #172 jaunte

“Ground Control to Major Tom, your circuit’s dead, there’s something wrong…”

//

175 Gus  Mon, May 13, 2013 7:27:29pm

re: #171 jaunte

[x] Beer for the llamas

[x] Tango

176 blueraven  Mon, May 13, 2013 7:29:51pm

re: #175 Gus

How is your ankle Gus?

177 Gus  Mon, May 13, 2013 7:30:51pm

re: #176 blueraven

How is your ankle Gus?

All screwed up. Getting better at a snails pace. Have to keep my leg up as much as possible.

178 jaunte  Mon, May 13, 2013 7:30:53pm

LIVE VIDEO — Commander Chris Hadfield and crew return to earth aboard the Soyuz spacecraft after five months in orbit.
nbcnews.com


900 meters.

179 jaunte  Mon, May 13, 2013 7:31:26pm

Touchdown.

180 Charles Johnson  Mon, May 13, 2013 7:31:59pm

re: #168 Interesting Times

Good idea! Putting it on the to-do list.

181 blueraven  Mon, May 13, 2013 7:36:40pm

re: #177 Gus

All screwed up. Getting better at a snails pace. Have to keep my leg up as much as possible.

That sucks, but good to hear it at least it is getting better, not worse. After an injured shoulder mine never got better so…shoulder surgery. I thought it would never get better. It took a long damn time. Pain is awful to deal with when it is the only constant.

182 BishopX  Mon, May 13, 2013 7:36:44pm

re: #153 Targetpractice

No different than when cops obtain phone records to aid in an investigation. Or is it different here because the perp wears a press badge?

It’s different because:

1) The perp here is not an AP reporter, the perp is someone they spoke with. They grabbed the phone logs of more than a hundred inocent (legally speaking) people.

2) It’s members of congress. The FBI captured every phone call and fax from the AP bureau of the house of representatives for two months. There are pretty serious implactions with respect to the separation of powers.

183 Targetpractice  Mon, May 13, 2013 7:42:54pm

re: #182 BishopX

It’s different because:

1) The perp here is not an AP reporter, the perp is someone they spoke with. They grabbed the phone logs of more than a hundred inocent (legally speaking) people.

2) It’s members of congress. The FBI captured every phone call and fax from the AP bureau of the house of representatives for two months. There are pretty serious implactions with respect to the separation of powers.

And the last time we went through this, it was a member of the White House staff who divulged the identity of a CIA operative to the press.

184 PT Barnum  Mon, May 13, 2013 7:47:45pm

Evenin’ Lizards!

185 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 13, 2013 7:49:44pm

re: #19 GeneJockey

Now, wait - remember, there’s a Democrat in the White House. That means this is an Unprecedented Power Grab By A Dictatorial President, not the Urgent National Security Action it would have been under a Republican.

Well, much of the media would be yelling no matter what. News outlets don’t like it when the government tries to get information on their leaks, and they generally raise Hell when it tries.

186 Kragar  Mon, May 13, 2013 7:50:01pm

New project time, I’m now working on a force of Dark Eldar.

Image: Incubi2_e.jpg

187 prairiefire  Mon, May 13, 2013 7:52:26pm

re: #186 Kragar

New project time, I’m now working on a force of Dark Eldar.

Image: Incubi2_e.jpg

In a game? Que?

189 PT Barnum  Mon, May 13, 2013 7:53:20pm

re: #185 Dark_Falcon

Well, much of the media would be yelling no matter what. News outlets don’t like it when the government tries to get information on their leaks, and they generally raise Hell when it tries.

The press used to be responsible enough not to publish any damned thing they found out about if they were asked to nicely enough. I blame the 24 hour news cycle, which has drastically reduced the amount of responsibility that news reporters are willing to take.

190 PT Barnum  Mon, May 13, 2013 7:54:01pm

re: #186 Kragar

New project time, I’m now working on a force of Dark Eldar.

Image: Incubi2_e.jpg

Warhammer?

191 ProTARDISLiberal  Mon, May 13, 2013 7:54:16pm

Somebody fucked up:

Fan Asked Not to Spoil the Finale.

Some fans in America have been enjoying the Doctor Who series finale early due to a mistake in the American distribution of the Series 7 Blu-rays and DVDs.

The Name of the Doctor, which concludes the current series of the show, is due for transmission next weekend in the UK, North America and Australia. The episode is included in the Series Seven - Part Two Blu-ray and DVD sets, which were due to be released on 28 May.

From Steven Moffat:

We understand that a small number of US fans have received in error their DVD edition of Series 7 Part 2 early. We respectfully ask those fans not to divulge information or post content publicly so that fellow fans who have yet to see the episodes do not have their viewing pleasure ruined.

If everyone keeps the secrets safe until next Saturday we will release a special new clip featuring material of the Tenth AND Eleventh Doctor!

192 Kragar  Mon, May 13, 2013 7:54:49pm

re: #187 prairiefire

In a game? Que?

Assembling, painting and prepping for the table a battleforce of Dark Eldar.

40 Warriors
20 Wyches
10 Scourges
9 Reavers
2 Raiders
1 Ravager

193 PT Barnum  Mon, May 13, 2013 7:55:03pm

re: #191 ProTARDISLiberal

Somebody fucked up:

Fan Asked Not to Spoil the Finale.

From Steven Moffat:

Which one are we on now? I lost count some time ago.

194 Kragar  Mon, May 13, 2013 7:56:10pm

re: #190 PT Barnum

Warhammer?

Yup.

Image: Hellions.jpg

195 ProTARDISLiberal  Mon, May 13, 2013 7:56:28pm

re: #193 PT Barnum

Series 7, Part B

Classic Doctor are referred to as Seasons

Revived Series are referred to as series.

196 PT Barnum  Mon, May 13, 2013 7:57:29pm

Watching Bizarre Food America. I swear fine dining is just a fucking scam to get people to eat really awful things and pay big bucks for it. But then I’m from Iowa, so I can eat really good steak and pork about anytime I want, so maybe I’m spoiled.

197 PT Barnum  Mon, May 13, 2013 7:58:49pm

re: #194 Kragar

Yup.

Image: Hellions.jpg

I finally got back into playing Pen and Paper RPG using an old school rule set called BFRPG and Roll20.net, a really great virtual game table.

I never got into miniatures mainly cause I never had enough money or space to make them work very well.

198 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 13, 2013 8:00:03pm

re: #189 PT Barnum

The press used to be responsible enough not to publish any damned thing they found out about if they were asked to nicely enough. I blame the 24 hour news cycle, which has drastically reduced the amount of responsibility that news reporters are willing to take.

It’s not just that, its increased competition as well. The proliferation of media sources means that networks and agencies have to distinguish themselves from their competition and sell themselves more. That means getting the scoop holds the top priority, since holding a story costs the news outlet a chance to get a leg up.

199 ProTARDISLiberal  Mon, May 13, 2013 8:02:03pm

re: #191 ProTARDISLiberal

I’m thinking someone is about to get canned.

200 Amory Blaine  Mon, May 13, 2013 8:02:11pm

Rebirth at Lake Wobegon!! Congratz eh!!

201 PT Barnum  Mon, May 13, 2013 8:03:23pm

re: #198 Dark_Falcon

It’s not just that, its increased competition as well. The proliferation of media sources means that networks and agencies have to distinguish themselves from their competition and sell themselves more. That means getting the scoop holds the top priority, since holding a story costs the news outlet a chance to get a leg up.

I agree on that. News coverage anymore is like a bad Chinese buffet, lots of quantity, but quality has suffered in the extreme.

202 Gus  Mon, May 13, 2013 8:03:33pm

re: #181 blueraven

That sucks, but good to hear it at least it is getting better, not worse. After an injured shoulder mine never got better so…shoulder surgery. I thought it would never get better. It took a long damn time. Pain is awful to deal with when it is the only constant.

Other body pains are usually a good distraction. :D

203 PT Barnum  Mon, May 13, 2013 8:03:59pm

re: #200 Amory Blaine

Rebirth at Lake Wobegon!! Congratz eh!!

???????

204 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 13, 2013 8:07:05pm

re: #201 PT Barnum

I agree on that. News coverage anymore is like a bad Chinese buffet, lots of quantity, but quality has suffered in the extreme.

That’s what its been for most of our history. The less competitive media world many here were born into was the result of post-WWII social and technological developments that have now been superseded. That interval is over, and things are back to the “anything for an advantage!” normal.

205 Gus  Mon, May 13, 2013 8:08:53pm
206 ProTARDISLiberal  Mon, May 13, 2013 8:10:55pm

Doctor Who in the US is now pulling about 1.5-2 million TVs on Saturdays in the United States.

Impressive, considering it is only on BBC America. Which is on fewer packages than TBS, USA, or AMC.

207 FemNaziBitch  Mon, May 13, 2013 8:13:09pm

(paraphrased) “the aristocracy, in a desperate last struggle, tried to ally itself with the conservative forces in the churches …

Hannah Arendt -The Origins of Totalitarianism
Amazon, look in side the book page 37

Sounds so familiar —wonder why?

208 Belafon  Mon, May 13, 2013 8:13:31pm

re: #6 thedopefishlives

I here there’s a great travel destination in Cuba for people no one else wants.

209 PT Barnum  Mon, May 13, 2013 8:13:43pm

Ya suppose Marcus Bachmann is talking to a divorce attorney now that he can follow his bliss in Minnesota?

210 aagcobb  Mon, May 13, 2013 8:15:34pm

re: #209 PT Barnum

Ya suppose Marcus Bachmann is talking to a divorce attorney now that he can follow his bliss in Minnesota?

I think I would almost feel sorry for Michelle if that complete humiliation came to pass, like for Angela in “The Office.”

211 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 13, 2013 8:17:04pm

re: #209 PT Barnum

Ya suppose Marcus Bachmann is talking to a divorce attorney now that he can follow his bliss in Minnesota?

No, I don’t think he swings that way.

212 PT Barnum  Mon, May 13, 2013 8:17:34pm

re: #210 aagcobb

I think I would almost feel sorry for Michelle if that complete humiliation came to pass, like for Angela in “The Office.”

I would like to be able to say I’m a decent enough person that I would feel sorry for her too, but I’m sad to say I would laaaaaaaaauuuuuuuugggghhhh!

213 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 13, 2013 8:17:54pm

re: #211 Dark_Falcon

No, I don’t think he swings that way.

I also think it is the height of bad form to make such a suggestion of a married man. Downding.

214 FemNaziBitch  Mon, May 13, 2013 8:18:09pm

re: #211 Dark_Falcon

No, I don’t think he swings that way.

I think he has deep deep issues in that regard

215 PT Barnum  Mon, May 13, 2013 8:18:31pm

re: #211 Dark_Falcon

No, I don’t think he swings that way.

If he’s actually honest to god straight, I’m a very very devout Evangelical Christian, which is to say you gotta be fucking kidding me.

216 PT Barnum  Mon, May 13, 2013 8:19:02pm

re: #213 Dark_Falcon

I also think it is the height of bad form to make such a suggestion of a married man. Downding.

I’ll take it. But it doesn’t change my opinion.

217 PT Barnum  Mon, May 13, 2013 8:21:19pm

Unless he’s this guy

218 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 13, 2013 8:27:46pm

This raises my opinion of John Boehner a bit, but it’ll piss some wingnuts off:

The daughter of House Speaker John Boehner has tied the knot with her Jamaican-born love in an intimate sunset ceremony set amid a lush Florida garden.

Lindsay Marie Boehner, 35, married construction worker Dominic Lakhan in a flowing white strapless gown that showed off a huge tattoo etched across her arm.

Her 38-year-old groom looked smart in a grey suit with his waist-length dreadlocks on display as he waited for Boehner to walk Lindsay down the aisle at Sundy House in Delray Beach on Friday.

The couple said their vows with the House Speaker looking proudly on - despite the fact Dominic had previously arrested for possessing marijuana.

Dominic was arrested in 2006 and this may not have gone down well with Boehner, a Republican who is a staunch opponent to legalizing the drug.

However, if there was any tension it was firmly pushed to one side as Boeher, who had donned an orange tie for the occasion, wore a grey suit to match his new son-in-law.

About 60 guests gathered at the wedding, including Lindsay’s younger sister Tricia, 32, who married James Kinney in 2011.

To Dominic and Lindsey, my congratulations. May your union be long and blessed.

And to those wingnuts annoyed that the Speaker of the House isn’t a racist like they are, let me take this opportunity to wish many more disappointments and annoyances of this sort for you.

219 prairiefire  Mon, May 13, 2013 8:28:41pm

re: #192 Kragar

Assembling, painting and prepping for the table a battleforce of Dark Eldar.

40 Warriors
20 Wyches
10 Scourges
9 Reavers
2 Raiders
1 Ravager

Can you paint one to look like that awesome guy? Tim Curry in Legend, one of my faves. How tall are they?

220 prairiefire  Mon, May 13, 2013 8:30:09pm

re: #206 ProTARDISLiberal

Doctor Who in the US is now pulling about 1.5-2 million TVs on Saturdays in the United States.

Impressive, considering it is only on BBC America. Which is on fewer packages than TBS, USA, or AMC.

The production values have really improved. The plot is still a bit too nebulous for me.

221 Gus  Mon, May 13, 2013 8:31:28pm

re: #218 Dark_Falcon

This raises my opinion of John Boehner a bit, but it’ll piss some wingnuts off:

To Dominic and Lindsey, my congratulations. May your union be long and blessed.

And to those wingnuts annoyed that the Speaker of the House isn’t a racist like they are, let me take this opportunity to wish many more disappointments and annoyances of this sort for you.

Image: Dominic-Lakhan-Lindsay-Boehner-boyfriend-fiance.jpg

222 Gus  Mon, May 13, 2013 8:32:10pm

Can’t wait for 2016.

223 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 13, 2013 8:35:24pm

re: #221 Gus

Image: Dominic-Lakhan-Lindsay-Boehner-boyfriend-fiance.jpg

Yep, he’s got a good set of dreds, it’s a fact.

224 PT Barnum  Mon, May 13, 2013 8:36:14pm

Well I’m off to bed. 4 days left and I can move on to my next gig.

225 Gus  Mon, May 13, 2013 8:40:56pm

re: #223 Dark_Falcon

Yep, he’s got a good set of dreds, it’s a fact.

Seems to shoot down the idea of the kind of daughter that John would end up with but I digress.

226 Dark_Falcon  Mon, May 13, 2013 8:44:29pm

re: #225 Gus

Seems to shot down the idea of the kind of daughter that John would end up with but I digress.

I’d just say: He let his daughter be her own person and make her own choice, while still being there and looking out for her. That’s what a good father does.

227 goddamnedfrank  Mon, May 13, 2013 8:49:49pm

re: #213 Dark_Falcon

I also think it is the height of bad form to make such a suggestion of a married man. Downding.

Fact: Marcus Bachmann is swishier than a silk shirt.

228 Belafon  Mon, May 13, 2013 8:51:59pm

re: #226 Dark_Falcon

I always thought a good father owned a shotgun.

In Boehner’s case, it’s just everyone else’s daughter he’s worried about.

229 wheat-dogghazi  Mon, May 13, 2013 8:55:25pm

re: #207 FemNaziBitch

(paraphrased) “the aristocracy, in a desperate last struggle, tried to ally itself with the conservative forces in the churches …

Hannah Arendt -The Origins of Totalitarianism
Amazon, look in side the book page 37

Sounds so familiar —wonder why?

Quite by accident, I stumbled upon a Showtime movie, Varian’s War, a few days ago. I had had no idea that there was an American citizen (Varian Fry) who helped thousands of Jews like Hannah Arendt escape Vichy France in the 1940s. Fry was aided by a US vice-consul named Hiram Bingham IV, who risked his career and reputation by bucking official State Dept. policy to grant immigrant visas to these people. Fry and Bingham were America’s Schindler.

230 Kragar  Mon, May 13, 2013 8:55:28pm

re: #219 prairiefire

Can you paint one to look like that awesome guy? Tim Curry in Legend, one of my faves. How tall are they?

About an inch tall each, painting a dark blue base and bringing up highlights from there.

231 austin_blue  Mon, May 13, 2013 8:55:33pm

re: #151 goddamnedfrank

Of course you’re right, but pragmatically, however free the press is, we as a society aren’t benefited by it growing complacent. It would serve reporters well to assume in practice that no normal channel of communication is safe, that all such assurances are hollow, and to plan accordingly.

In other words I have my doubts about our ability to actually make government more transparent, and that attempts to do so simply drive such programs further underground.

Then your right to privacy, pragmatically, no longer exists.

What a stupid position/policy to accept! You should go take a shower to wash the bullshit off of you.

232 bratwurst  Mon, May 13, 2013 9:00:45pm

re: #227 goddamnedfrank

Fact: Marcus Bachmann is swishier than a silk shirt.

Either be an effeminate guy, or be involved in the hateful practice of “ex-gay therapy”…but DON’T be an effeminate guy involved in the hateful practice of “ex-gay therapy”! Sheesh.

233 Gus  Mon, May 13, 2013 9:01:18pm

So basically the government reserves the right to readily monitor the communications of the press. Right?

234 Gus  Mon, May 13, 2013 9:02:15pm

The gov’ can access anything they want in the name of national security.

235 FemNaziBitch  Mon, May 13, 2013 9:04:18pm

re: #229 wheat-dogghazi

Quite by accident, I stumbled upon a Showtime movie, Varian’s War, a few days ago. I had had no idea that there was an American citizen (Varian Fry) who helped thousands of Jews like Hannah Arendt escape Vichy France in the 1940s. Fry was aided by a US vice-consul named Hiram Bingham IV, who risked his career and reputation by bucking official State Dept. policy to grant immigrant visas to these people. Fry and Bingham were America’s Schindler.

very cool!

236 goddamnedfrank  Mon, May 13, 2013 9:08:22pm

re: #231 austin_blue

Then your right to privacy, pragmatically, no longer exists.

My M.O. is to more or less assume as much, at least with regards to the government’s actual capabilities and practices. The fact that such information can’t pass constitutional muster in a hypothetical trial might come as cold comfort to someone who assumed it couldn’t or wouldn’t be accessed at all. Therefore I assume nothing of the sort.

What a stupid position/policy to accept. You should go take a shower to wash the bullshit off of you.

I’m not accepting or justifying it. It’s not my policy I’m just acknowledging what I assume to be reality. If I’m wrong then nobody would be happier.

237 Gus  Mon, May 13, 2013 9:11:04pm

Next year they get to monitor your health care choices. Can’t wait. Like I said. Can’t wait for 2016.

238 Gus  Mon, May 13, 2013 9:12:16pm

Just like the Post Office and the DMV. Derp.

239 goddamnedfrank  Mon, May 13, 2013 9:12:39pm

re: #232 bratwurst

Either be an effeminate guy, or be involved in the hateful practice of “ex-gay therapy”…but DON’T be an effeminate guy involved in the hateful practice of “ex-gay therapy”! Sheesh.

Is there a generalized term for a self hating subculture?

240 Belafon  Mon, May 13, 2013 9:18:31pm

re: #234 Gus

Or, the government can fallow the laws when doing an investigation. Last time I checked, national security leaks are illegal, even to newspapers.

241 Gus  Mon, May 13, 2013 9:20:05pm

re: #240 Belafon

Or, the government can fallow the laws when doing an investigation. Last time I checked, national security leaks are illegal, even to newspapers.

Which justifies “at will” monitoring. Or to put it more bluntly, real time monitoring of the press. And that’s press freedom how?

242 Gus  Mon, May 13, 2013 9:21:46pm

So the feds can monitor anyone at will 24/7 but if you monitor the feds even just a tiny bit you get sent up the river for 50 years. Got it.

243 Gus  Mon, May 13, 2013 9:24:55pm

Hard to tell the difference between many liberals and neocons these days.

244 prairiefire  Mon, May 13, 2013 10:17:39pm

re: #238 Gus

Just like the Post Office and the DMV. Derp.

P.O., why u sux so bad? : (

245 Bulworth  Tue, May 14, 2013 6:42:58am

Wingnuts in Minnesota went from putting an anti-gay marriage amendment on the ballot (because gay marriage has lost every time its been on the ballot!!) to having gay marriage passed by a Democratic legislature to be signed by a Democratic governor all in less than a year.

246 po8crg  Tue, May 14, 2013 6:47:16am

re: #48 NJDhockeyfan

Piers is a British tabloid journalist - he hates all politicians first, and just hates Republicans more second.

247 leftynyc  Tue, May 14, 2013 10:35:43am

re: #164 sattv4u2

And on that note, the long quiet drive home beckons

Oh ,, and Boston Bruins ,, HOLY SHIT!! don’t do that to an old man!!!

But now they have to play my beloved Rangers ;-)


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