White House Email Contradicts Weekly Standard/ABC Benghazi Leaks

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Those “leaked” emails about Benghazi talking points first reported by the Weekly Standard’s Stephen Hayes, then picked up and trumpeted to the world by ABC News, were apparently distorted and mischaracterized to smear the State Department and the White House.

Imagine my surprise.

ABC News reported that Rhodes wrote: “We must make sure that the talking points reflect all agency equities, including those of the State Department, and we don’t want to undermine the FBI investigation. We thus will work through the talking points tomorrow morning at the Deputies Committee meeting.” The Weekly Standard reported that Rhodes “responded to the group, explaining that Nuland had raised valid concerns and advising that the issues would be resolved at a meeting of the National Security Council’s Deputies Committee the following morning.”

Whoever provided those quotes seemingly invented the notion that Rhodes wanted the concerns of the State Department specifically addressed. While Nuland, particularly, had expressed a desire to remove mentions of specific terrorist groups and CIA warnings about the increasingly dangerous assignment, Rhodes put no emphasis at all in his email on the State Department’s concerns.

Previous reporting also misquoted Rhodes as saying the group would work through the talking points at the deputies meeting on Saturday, September 15, when the talking points to Congress were finalized. While the previously written subject line of the email mentions talking points, Rhodes only addresses misinformation in a general sense.

So whoever leaked the inaccurate information earlier this month did so in a way that made it appear that the White House - specifically Rhodes - was more interested in the State Department’s concerns, and more focused on the talking points, that the email actually stated.

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1 GunstarGreen  Tue, May 14, 2013 10:22:42am

The Weekly Standard, making shit up?

2 FemNaziBitch  Tue, May 14, 2013 10:24:35am

I’m so freakin’ tired of Benghazi.

3 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, May 14, 2013 10:25:03am

re: #2 FemNaziBitch

I’m so freakin’ tired of Benghazi.

No problem; IRS-gate will more than overshadow it…

4 jaunte  Tue, May 14, 2013 10:25:35am
So whoever leaked the inaccurate information earlier this month did so in a way that made it appear that the White House - specifically Rhodes - was more interested in the State Department’s concerns, and more focused on the talking points, that the email actually stated.

I suppose we’ll never know who that was, because protecting future sources of scoop is of primary importance.

5 Kid A  Tue, May 14, 2013 10:26:30am

The cesspool that is the right-wing “journalists” have no fucking shame; will stoop as low as possible to smear the uppity black Moozlim socialist in the White House. Take your outrageous outrage and your nontroversies and shove them up your ass, you bastards.

6 Kragar  Tue, May 14, 2013 10:26:41am

Buchanan Defends Richwine, Accuses Hispanics of ‘Underclass Behavior’

In his latest syndicated column, Buchanan argues that Hispanic Americans exhibit “underclass behavior” and warns of the dangers of “racially mixed communities.”

“With the immigration bill granting amnesty to 12 million illegals, an open door to their dependents and a million new immigrants each year, almost all from the Third World, America in 2040 is going to look like Los Angeles today,” he writes.

Buchanan also attempts to back up Richwine’s theories about racial differences in IQ, pointing to global rankings among “Hispanic nations” in math, reading and science. He is forced to undercut his own theory, however, but leaving the most prosperous Spanish-speaking nation, Spain, out of his bogus statistics.

7 Bulworth  Tue, May 14, 2013 10:26:55am

We still have Concerns. We just want the Truth about how PBO left those people to die and covered it up! When will the Administration just own up to the Fact that it arranged for the ambassador to be kidnapped and botched it for terrorists and Treason!!

8 Bulworth  Tue, May 14, 2013 10:29:03am

Yeah but you can fly to Benghazi in 7 HOURS!!1

9 Kid A  Tue, May 14, 2013 10:30:20am

Remember, these wingers that are all in unison about the BOMBSHELL! EXCLUSIVE! Regarding the fauxtroversy that is Benghazi, were also in 100%, not a single dissent amongst them that Romney would crush Obama a week before the election. Coincidence???!!!

10 Kragar  Tue, May 14, 2013 10:30:25am

RNC Hispanic Outreach Director Becomes A Democrat

Pablo Pantoja, who previously served as the State Director of Florida Hispanic Outreach for the Republican National Committee, has defected to the Democratic Party.

Citing the GOP’s “culture of intolerance,” Pantoja confirmed his party change in an email sent Monday to Florida Nation. Pantoja also drew reference to a much-maligned dissertation from the Heritage Foundation’s Jason Richwine that sought to discourage non-whites from immigrating to the United States on the basis that those groups have lower IQs. Richwine resigned from his post at Heritage last week.

“I have wondered before about the seemingly harsh undertones about immigrants and others,” Pantoja wrote. “Look no further; a well-known organization recently confirms the intolerance of that which seems different or strange to them.”

11 jaunte  Tue, May 14, 2013 10:31:04am

re: #8 Bulworth

Yeah but you can fly to Benghazi in 7 HOURS!!1

Issa’s staff are not trained on the Google device.
google.com

12 Kragar  Tue, May 14, 2013 10:31:48am

re: #8 Bulworth

Yeah but you can fly to Benghazi in 7 HOURS!!1

4 guys with pistols could have totally taken the entire city of Benghazi if they had to.

13 GunstarGreen  Tue, May 14, 2013 10:31:50am

re: #10 Kragar

Outreach! Big Tent!

Apparently the people filling in the ‘token minority Republican’ slots for the GOP do eventually wise up to the fact that they’re just part of a minstrel show. I’m still waiting for Herman Cain to figure that out.

14 Bulworth  Tue, May 14, 2013 10:34:14am

re: #12 Kragar

Who gave the order to STANDDOWN!!?11!!!

15 stabby  Tue, May 14, 2013 10:36:12am

re: #13 GunstarGreen

They love him for being a sociopath and rich fuck. He knows it.

How did he treat his employees again? Like he cares about OTHER people.

16 Stanghazi  Tue, May 14, 2013 10:36:28am

re: #9 Kid A

Remember, these wingers that are all in unison about the BOMBSHELL! EXCLUSIVE! Regarding the fauxtroversy that is Benghazi, were also in 100%, not a single dissent amongst them that Romney would crush Obama a week before the election. Coincidence???!!!

Because they are lying and being lied to.

17 Lidane  Tue, May 14, 2013 10:38:27am
18 FemNaziBitch  Tue, May 14, 2013 10:38:31am

Credit to where credit is due—good guys!

“One of my favorite reactions came from a young man named Charles that went viral on Facebook. Charles was photographed holding a hand-lettered sign that said, “I stand with Jane Doe because when I became a victim of a sex crime, no one asked me if I was drunk or what I was wearing or what I had done to make it happen.”

Yes, it is also Paged. Direct link

19 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, May 14, 2013 10:38:54am

Why is there no quote mine project for politics as there is for creationists?

20 Kragar  Tue, May 14, 2013 10:40:43am

re: #17 Lidane

This is good news for John McCain.

21 FemNaziBitch  Tue, May 14, 2013 10:41:00am
22 FemNaziBitch  Tue, May 14, 2013 10:43:05am

Have to be productive, have a great day all!

23 darthstar  Tue, May 14, 2013 10:43:27am
24 jaunte  Tue, May 14, 2013 10:44:07am

Here’s Jon Karl’s original ABC report:
Exclusive: Benghazi Talking Points Underwent 12 Revisions, Scrubbed of Terror Reference

“I have had emails read to me,” he reported…

25 stabby  Tue, May 14, 2013 10:46:47am

I made half-caf now I feel like I took sleeping pills

26 darthstar  Tue, May 14, 2013 10:47:25am

re: #20 Kragar

This is good news for John McCain.

John McCain - if your hard-on for vengeance after losing an election lasts more than four years, retire you addled old fucker…then seek medical help.

27 lawhawk  Tue, May 14, 2013 10:47:47am

Meanwhile, the attempts to make Gosnell representative of all abortion practictioners is also a failed enterprise - namely because there’s no there there - and that’s according to the pro-lifers themselves who have tried to gin up a controversy.

Live Action thinks there are lots of born-alive killings. To prove it, in the last six months, the organization has sent actresses into clinics with hidden cameras. The actresses, posing as patients, have asked clinic workers about born-alive scenarios, hoping to expose a pattern of infanticide. Instead, they’ve found nothing. “We never had that, for ages of being in this practice,” one clinic employee says in a video secretly recorded by Live Action. “We never had a situation like that,” says another. “That’s never happened,” says a third. A fourth assures the actress, “These kinds of issues that you’re talking about, they don’t happen.”
Unable to find an epidemic of born-alive murders, Live Action says the videos underscore the general ugliness of late-term abortions. That’s true. But late-term abortions are rare and getting rarer. According to the latest CDC data, only 8 percent of abortions are performed after 13 weeks gestation (the end of the first trimester), and only one percent are performed at 21 weeks or later. That’s a decline, in both total and percentage terms, over the last decade.
Pro-lifers say the Gosnell case shows that “abusive, contemptuous doctors are more the norm in freestanding abortion clinics than the public is willing to admit.” But the Live Action videos—the raw footage, not the edited versions the organization promotes—show the opposite. Most of the doctors and counselors seem more attentive and compassionate than the average nurse or physician. They help patients talk through their decisions. They offer financial help. They assuage anxieties. They answer endless questions.

Then, there’s an issue with a claim that the number of babies born alive after failed abortions in this country exceeds 1,000 per year. It’s based on a mangled statistic that lumps together all kinds of mortality data under a single heading.

Pro-lifers took the total number, but when digging into the figures, one finds that the number of babies born alive after failed abortions was 30 for 2010 (termination of pregnancy, newborn). Far from being a common occurrence, it’s exceedingly rare - and getting more so.

28 A Mom Anon  Tue, May 14, 2013 10:48:26am

re: #23 darthstar

I want happy little trees!!! I loved Bob Ross. When my son was a little VERY cranky baby who never slept, I spent many a sleepless night in the rocking chair watching animal documentaries, Mr Rogers and Bob Ross recordings. The Husband must have recorded 30 or more VHS tapes for me to pop in the VCR so I could at least have a calm baby instead of a screaming one. Worked like a charm, soothing voices and not a lot of activity. It saved me from a complete nervous breakdown.

29 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, May 14, 2013 10:48:56am

re: #25 stabby

I made half-caf now I feel like I took sleeping pills

Somebody told me a trick: keep two cans of coffee on the counter, one regular and one decaf. Start out the first week by replacing one teaspoon of regular coffee with decaf for the first week, then two spoonfuls the second week, etc, until you don’t notice the difference.

30 Jolo5309  Tue, May 14, 2013 10:51:40am

re: #29 Sol Berdinowitz

Somebody told me a trick: keep two cans of coffee on the counter, one regular and one decaf. Start out the first week by replacing one teaspoon of regular coffee with decaf for the first week, then two spoonfuls the second week, etc, until you don’t notice the difference.

On March 24th 2014 I am going to replace the coffee on my floor with decaf and put the regular back on April 1st.

31 wrenchwench  Tue, May 14, 2013 10:53:48am
32 darthstar  Tue, May 14, 2013 10:54:37am

re: #24 jaunte

“I have had emails read to me,” he reported…

I tweeted that these fuckers(I was talking about congresscritters, but obviously it extends to reporters) never read anything for themselves the other day.

33 jaunte  Tue, May 14, 2013 10:55:19am

re: #32 darthstar

It seems like a pretty flimsy basis for ‘reportage.’

34 darthstar  Tue, May 14, 2013 10:56:02am

re: #33 jaunte

It seems like a pretty flimsy basis for ‘reportage.’

It’s not reporting, it’s gossip.

35 Kragar  Tue, May 14, 2013 10:56:59am

Note to self:

Never eat a banana shortly after finishing a Sucrets.

36 GunstarGreen  Tue, May 14, 2013 10:57:09am

re: #27 lawhawk

The truth doesn’t need to be doctored and edited. They’re scum and they know it.

37 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, May 14, 2013 10:58:08am

re: #36 GunstarGreen

The truth doesn’t need to be doctored and edited. They’re scum and they know it.

So the White House Press Corps stayed in the Mos Eisley Holiday Inn Express last night?
;p

38 Bulworth  Tue, May 14, 2013 11:00:29am

Well the whole “The Talking Points were revised 12, twelve, count ‘em 12enty times” was just really BS to begin with. That some RWNJ fed it to someone in the media who then regurgitated it is why we can never have nice things.

39 jaunte  Tue, May 14, 2013 11:01:14am
40 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, May 14, 2013 11:01:44am

re: #35 Kragar

Note to self:

Never eat a banana shortly after finishing a Sucrets.

This is one bit of science that has always puzzled me: when I eat a sugar-free mint and then drink coffee, I get the taste of caraway seeds in my mouth. Anybody know why?

41 A Mom Anon  Tue, May 14, 2013 11:02:56am

re: #34 darthstar

Bingo! Most of the news is precisely that now. What pisses me off is the morning “news” shows, GMA, Today, etc that supposedly cater to stay home moms mostly, since they start at 7am and end around 9 or 10am. It’s nothing but crap, fashion, food, celebrity bullshit and good god do the hosts preen and croon over celebrity, it’s boring, stupid and disgusting. No, no mom wants to know anything but 10 minutes of current events, or wants coverage of serious topics. Nope, we’re just girls with trivial concerns. I hate it and cannot STAND watching it. That’s what Entertainment Tonight and Inside Edition is for, not the freaking news.

42 AntonSirius  Tue, May 14, 2013 11:02:57am

re: #10 Kragar

RNC Hispanic Outreach Director Becomes A Democrat

I was gonna Page that after I saw Booman’s post about it, but someone beat me to it

43 jaunte  Tue, May 14, 2013 11:05:19am

re: #40 Sol Berdinowitz

Terpenoids:
en.wikipedia.org

44 klys  Tue, May 14, 2013 11:07:19am

re: #41 A Mom Anon

Bingo! Most of the news is precisely that now. What pisses me off is the morning “news” shows, GMA, Today, etc that supposedly cater to stay home moms mostly, since they start at 7am and end around 9 or 10am. It’s nothing but crap, fashion, food, celebrity bullshit and good god do the hosts preen and croon over celebrity, it’s boring, stupid and disgusting. No, no mom wants to know anything but 10 minutes of current events, or wants coverage of serious topics. Nope, we’re just girls with trivial concerns. I hate it and cannot STAND watching it. That’s what Entertainment Tonight and Inside Edition is for, not the freaking news.

I would have thought stay-at-home moms were busy getting the kids ready and off to school between the 7am and 9am time frame. At least, that’s when my half-stay-at-home mom was getting us out the door, up until high school. When it moved earlier. Ugh. Mornings.

Now I just sleep through them all and ignore any and all versions of TV news. I’m much happier that way. (The exception is when I turn on the weather channel during hurricanes. I want me some Jim Cantore footage.)

45 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, May 14, 2013 11:08:42am

re: #43 jaunte

Terpenoids:
en.wikipedia.org

Well, damn. Thanks a lot, I always wondered about that.

46 lawhawk  Tue, May 14, 2013 11:11:04am

re: #14 Bulworth

Who gave the order to STANDDOWN!!?11!!!

Who ordered the Code Red!?

You want answers?

I want the truth.

Congress and the GOP can’t handle the truth that there’s no there there.

47 A Mom Anon  Tue, May 14, 2013 11:12:27am

re: #44 klys

Yeah, you are getting the kids out the door at that time, but the TV is often on as background noise. I got fed up and began keeping CSPAN on in the mornings until the nutbar phone callers began taking over Washington Journal in the mornings. Now I listen to KTLK out of Los Angles on I Heart Radio instead. Since my baby is now out of high school I’m sipping coffee and doing the morning chores while I listen. I gave up on TV news after the run up to the Iraq War, I only watch it now if something huge is happening.

48 Bulworth  Tue, May 14, 2013 11:14:46am
It’s nothing but crap, fashion, food, celebrity bullshit and good god do the hosts preen and croon over celebrity, it’s boring, stupid and disgusting.

Great summary. Applies equally well to our Media Village.

49 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, May 14, 2013 11:16:05am

re: #48 Bulworth

Great summary. Applies equally well to our Media Village.

If I want a morning news shot while I’m getting dressed in the morning I put on the local NPR station.

50 lawhawk  Tue, May 14, 2013 11:17:15am

Breaking:

Attorney General Holder orders criminal investigation in IRS targeting scandal

51 darthstar  Tue, May 14, 2013 11:17:51am

Plan-B, Benghazi, Angelina Jolie’s BooBs…see the connection?

52 A Mom Anon  Tue, May 14, 2013 11:17:53am

re: #48 Bulworth

I giggle my ass off every time Charlie Pierce over at Esquire calls Politico Tiger Beat of the Potomac.

53 Targetpractice  Tue, May 14, 2013 11:19:40am

re: #50 lawhawk

Breaking:

Attorney General Holder orders criminal investigation in IRS targeting scandal

Obviously he’s trying to cover up for his boss, because we all know that the IRS couldn’t have done this with Obama’s explicit orders!

54 Eventual Carrion  Tue, May 14, 2013 11:20:39am

re: #6 Kragar

Buchanan Defends Richwine, Accuses Hispanics of ‘Underclass Behavior’

In his latest syndicated column, Buchanan argues that Hispanic Americans exhibit “underclass behavior” and warns of the dangers of “racially mixed communities.”

Wow, she has reverted back to pre-1960’s talking points aimed at black people.

“I don’t mind them, I just don’t want to live next to one. Next thing you know they will want to date my daughter.” //

55 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, May 14, 2013 11:23:16am

re: #54 Eventual Carrion

Wow, she has reverted back to pre-1960’s talking points aimed at black people.

“I don’t mind them, I just don’t want to live next to one. Next thing you know they will want to date my daughter.” //

I have come to assume that these asinine talking points are targeted at the True Believers in the GOP, explaining why it is pointless to even try to reach out to blacks and Hispanics, as they are incapable of acting in their own interests, they are totally in the thrall of the Party of Free Government Stuff and will never be brought to reason.

56 Eventual Carrion  Tue, May 14, 2013 11:23:18am

re: #14 Bulworth

Who gave the order to STANDDOWN!!?11!!!

Someone with enough sense not to send barely armed soldiers into a potential meat grinder. WOOLBERINES!!!

57 Lidane  Tue, May 14, 2013 11:23:34am
58 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, May 14, 2013 11:25:04am

re: #57 Lidane

He must be guilty because no Republican official would do that!
///

59 stabby  Tue, May 14, 2013 11:25:17am

pjmedia.com

:/

The incompetents at PJ can’t make their after-title teasers actually appear on the same page as their articles. The title+teaser on the main page reads When Jupiter Aligns With Mars: Are Scandals Coincidence, or Breaking Point? “This isn’t a “second term” thing, it’s the collapse of a decades-old ideology.”

A friend in D.C. with whom I was having a conversation remarked on the timing of our discourse with words to the effect of: “It’s a hot time in the old town tonight.” …

My point is that Republicans think their non-trovercies are actually exciting instead of just being proof that they don’t work for a living.

60 stabby  Tue, May 14, 2013 11:27:59am

re: #54 Eventual Carrion

You’ve confused Patric Buchanan with Michelle Bachmann

I make the same mistake at first glance.

Buchanan was kicked out of the party for being too obviously racist in the 80s. Those were the days, there’s no such thing as too obviously racist now!

61 Kragar  Tue, May 14, 2013 11:29:37am

Swanson & Buehner: New Gonorrhea Strain Sent By God to Punish America; Single Women Have No Rights

Reacting to the news that the FDA has decided to make the morning-after pill available without a prescription to women ages 15 and older, Buehner called the move an attempt “to destroy the patriarchal structure of the family” as part of its “war against God’s family structure.”

According to Buehner, the Bible makes it clear that an unmarried woman “doesn’t have the feminist independence that we hear so much about to make contracts, to buy drugs, to engage in activities without the father’s consent,” as naturally the father should know “what drugs his daughter’s putting into her body” and “whether or not his daughter is out there fornicating with the football team.”

Swanson took it one step further by alleging that a new strain of gonorrhea is divine punishment for sexual immorality.

“God is in control and he can send a superbug to wipe out a lot of people who are engaged in this kind of sexuality and if that be the case then I guess we don’t need a political magistrate to do that work for us,” Swanson said.

62 AntonSirius  Tue, May 14, 2013 11:29:38am

re: #60 stabby

You’ve confused Patric Buchanan with Michelle Bachmann

I make the same mistake at first glance.

Buchanan was kicked out of the party for being too obviously racist in the 80s. Those were the days, there’s no such thing as too obviously racist now!

It could’ve been Pat’s sister Bey…

63 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, May 14, 2013 11:29:56am

re: #60 stabby

You’ve confused Patric Buchanan with Michelle Bachmann

I make the same mistake at first glance.

Buchanan was kicked out of the party for being too obviously racist in the 80s. Those were the days, there’s no such thing as too obviously racist now!

It’s a bit of the bird-in-the-hand syndrome, they cannot bring themself to alienate all the racists and exclusionists in their base for the chance of winning a few votes among blacks and Latinos.

64 PT Barnum  Tue, May 14, 2013 11:30:36am

re: #30 Jolo5309

On March 24th 2014 I am going to replace the coffee on my floor with decaf and put the regular back on April 1st.

Better yet switch in espresso.

65 Lidane  Tue, May 14, 2013 11:30:47am

re: #60 stabby

Buchanan wasn’t kicked out of anything, considering he ran for POTUS in 1992 and 1996.

66 blueraven  Tue, May 14, 2013 11:31:35am

Regardless of all the facts, I think the WH response to all of these controversies has been abysmal. The president needs to take a close look at his advisers and possibly, some heads should roll. They always seem to be behind the curve and on the defense, which is never a good thing.

67 stabby  Tue, May 14, 2013 11:32:05am

re: #63 Sol Berdinowitz

They’re such assholes.

How did they come to the conclusions:
1) there are more white racists out there than there are minorities + people who hate racism
2) racists are a better constituency than normal people who aren’t racists

68 Bulworth  Tue, May 14, 2013 11:33:12am

re: #61 Kragar

That’s some mighty fine Freedom Agenda there. //

69 team_fukit  Tue, May 14, 2013 11:34:13am

Haha look who’s been “massaging” the talking points now!

70 Eventual Carrion  Tue, May 14, 2013 11:34:34am

re: #60 stabby

You’ve confused Patric Buchanan with Michelle Bachmann

I make the same mistake at first glance.

Buchanan was kicked out of the party for being too obviously racist in the 80s. Those were the days, there’s no such thing as too obviously racist now!

You’re right. I take my earlier comment back and replace it with “He is making the same arguments he made in pre-1960’s against blacks”

:-)

71 stabby  Tue, May 14, 2013 11:34:52am

re: #65 Lidane

when did he give the RNC culture war speech?
I listened to that, and remember him responding to the LA riots with “You don’t give these people head start programs, you PUT THEM IN JAIL”

Ie, preschool black children should be sent directly to jail.

You can’t find text of that part of the speech anymore, it unexists.

I remember hearing that he was kicked out for that, though the audience cheered and cheered…

72 stabby  Tue, May 14, 2013 11:37:05am

I heard that on CBC, “as it happens” on a segment they called “for the record”.

They simply played the speech without a single word of commentary on it.

They knew how shocking it sounded to Canadian ears. Not a single word of comment needed.

73 Kragar  Tue, May 14, 2013 11:37:18am

re: #68 Bulworth

That’s some mighty fine Freedom Agenda there. //

God’s family structure:

So, based on the Bible, God’s family structure means you pick a woman at random, knock her up without her consent behind her husband’s back, then get them to raise your kid for years before you show back up and get the kid to tell everyone what a great guy you are, but don’t step in to protect him when he gets in trouble.

What a dick.

74 stabby  Tue, May 14, 2013 11:42:22am

If you can stand to read minds thoroughly malfunctioning, you can peruse the comment section of the PJ column I linked to.
pjmedia.com

75 Targetpractice  Tue, May 14, 2013 11:43:25am

re: #66 blueraven

Regardless of all the facts, I think the WH response to all of these controversies has been abysmal. The president needs to take a close look at his advisers and possibly, some heads should roll. They always seem to be behind the curve and on the defense, which is never a good thing.

I’m not really sure who’s heads you expect to roll. Hillary’s already gone and four people were forced to resign already as a result of the Start Department’s internal review. Should Obama do the GOP the favor by starting to whack people until he’s sure he got everybody remotely involved?

Or the IRS business, the commissioner who was actually involved has already resigned as his term was up and there’s only an acting one. Beyond the criminal investigation just started, who could the White House fire to make the issue go away?

And finally the AP business, Holder recused himself, so even if he knew the extent of what was going on, he could not legally take part in it. Would forcing his resignation really accomplish anything besides making the press whisper that he’s being made to fall on his sword for something he didn’t do?

76 PT Barnum  Tue, May 14, 2013 11:44:36am

re: #61 Kragar

Swanson & Buehner: New Gonorrhea Strain Sent By God to Punish America; Single Women Have No Rights

God is in control as long as you let us tell you what he wants.

77 Bulworth  Tue, May 14, 2013 11:45:42am

re: #76 PT Barnum

Why does the liberal nanny state want to tell everyone what to do when we’re the only ones who can tell people what to do because GOD?

/

78 Targetpractice  Tue, May 14, 2013 11:48:10am

Not to mention that, when administrations start firing people left and right, the general assumption is not that they’re cleaning house with the intent to avoid future scandals, but rather trying to silence any potential whistleblowers before Congress can subpoena them.

79 stabby  Tue, May 14, 2013 11:48:26am

re: #76 PT Barnum

When the government does something like this, their intentions, their self-conscious intention, is to destroy the patriarchal structure of the family. The Book of Numbers is very clear and the Book of Numbers says that ‘when the father hears the vow of his daughter, an obligation to which she’s bound herself, if the father says nothing then the vow stands; but if the father should forbid her on the day he hears of it then none of her vows, none of her obligations of which she has bound herself, shall stand.’ What that means is that a father who has a daughter, she’s not free, she doesn’t have the feminist independence that we hear so much about to make contracts, to buy drugs, to engage in activities without the father’s consent. Now when you tell the father he has no business knowing what drugs his daughter’s putting into her body, when a father has no business knowing whether or not his daughter is out there fornicating with the football team, you’ve destroyed patriarchy even more. I think the government is waging a war against God’s family structure.

“God’s family structure” means “single women are their father’s chattel”

That’s amazingly fucked up.
If men had the right to sell their daughters for money like they do in Afghanistan, girl-chattel slavery would be complete.

80 GunstarGreen  Tue, May 14, 2013 11:49:07am

re: #76 PT Barnum

We’re all for deregulation and getting government out of the way of business — until that business is helping women to be shameless sluts. Then the government should be all over that, regulating the shit out of it.

81 Joanne  Tue, May 14, 2013 11:50:54am

re: #61 Kragar

Swanson & Buehner: New Gonorrhea Strain Sent By God to Punish America; Single Women Have No Rights

According to Buehner, the Bible makes it clear that an unmarried woman “doesn’t have the feminist independence that we hear so much about to make contracts, to buy drugs, to engage in activities without the father’s consent,” as naturally the father should know “what drugs his daughter’s putting into her body” and “whether or not his daughter is out there fornicating with the football team.”

American Taliban right there.

And Buehner…FUCK. YOU.

82 Bulworth  Tue, May 14, 2013 11:52:17am
no business knowing whether or not his daughter is out there fornicating with the football team

daughter out fornicating with football team = slutz.

son on football team fornicating with hottie girl = Real Man, sowing oats, laying pipe, chip off the old block, etc.

/

83 PT Barnum  Tue, May 14, 2013 11:52:34am

re: #79 stabby

“God’s family structure” means “single women are their father’s chattel”

That’s amazingly fucked up.
If men had the right to sell their daughters for money like they do in Afghanistan, girl-chattel slavery would be complete.

Or as these assholes think about it, the Good Old Days

84 Kragar  Tue, May 14, 2013 11:53:03am

re: #82 Bulworth

daughter out fornicating with football team = slutz.

son on football team fornicating with hottie girl = Real Man, sowing oats, laying pipe, chip off the old block, etc.

/

What is your point?
///

85 blueraven  Tue, May 14, 2013 11:53:49am

re: #75 Targetpractice

I’m not really sure who’s heads you expect to roll. Hillary’s already gone and four people were forced to resign already as a result of the Start Department’s internal review. Should Obama do the GOP the favor by starting to whack people until he’s sure he got everybody remotely involved?

Or the IRS business, the commissioner who was actually involved has already resigned as his term was up and there’s only an acting one. Beyond the criminal investigation just started, who could the White House fire to make the issue go away?

And finally the AP business, Holder recused himself, so even if he knew the extent of what was going on, he could not legally take part in it. Would forcing his resignation really accomplish anything besides making the press whisper that he’s being made to fall on his sword for something he didn’t do?

I am talking about crisis management within the White House staff, not cabinet members. I don’t think his advisers have served him well. They need to get out in front of things faster and better.

86 Lidane  Tue, May 14, 2013 11:54:03am

re: #71 stabby

when did he give the RNC culture war speech?
.

That was at the 1992 Republican National Convnetion. Pat was the keynote speaker that year.

And no, they didn’t kick him out. In fact, that speech raised his profile. When he ran again in 1996, he won four states in the GOP primary, IIRC.

87 Targetpractice  Tue, May 14, 2013 11:59:10am

re: #85 blueraven

I am talking about crisis management within the White House staff, not cabinet members. I don’t think his advisers have served him well. They need to get out in front of things faster and better.

Thing about it is that getting ahead of a scandal can just as easily get the White House accused of a cover-up. Especially if they start demanding heads before the opposing party has had time to process the initial allegations.

88 Lidane  Tue, May 14, 2013 12:00:35pm

OUTRAGE!

Cue the cries of librul elite tyranny at universities in 3…2…1…

89 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, May 14, 2013 12:00:36pm

re: #86 Lidane

That was at the 1992 Republican National Convnetion. Pat was the keynote speaker that year.

And no, they didn’t kick him out. In fact, that speech raised his profile. When he ran again in 1996, he won four states in the GOP primary, IIRC.

God made man in his image, white. People with varying amounts of melanin in their skin are the result of man’s sin of trying to become God by building a tower in Babel. I’m not sure how god feels about the building in Dubai.

90 Bulworth  Tue, May 14, 2013 12:01:36pm

re: #89 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

And women are cursed because Eve at the apple.

91 BigPapa  Tue, May 14, 2013 12:01:39pm
Imagine my surprise.

Liberal Media!

92 Kragar  Tue, May 14, 2013 12:02:11pm

Anti-Assad fighter appears to eat internal organ of dead government soldier in horrific footage

The grisly film had been circulating for several days, attracting extensive comment on social media networks such as YouTube, Twitter and Facebook. But in the face of of an often vicious propaganda war between the government and rebels, early doubts about the film’s authenticity faded when the perpetrator, named as Khaled al-Hamad, admitted that he had mutilated the corpse of an unnamed soldier as an act of revenge.

“We opened his cell phone and I found a clip of a woman and her two daughters fully naked and he [the dead soldier] was humiliating them, and sticking a stick here and there,” Hamad told the Time news website.

Human Rights Watch (HRW), an independent monitor, said: “The figure in the video cuts the heart and liver out of the body and uses sectarian language to insult Alawites [Assad’s minority sect]. At the end of the video [the man] is filmed putting the corpse’s heart into his mouth, as if he is taking a bite out of it.”

Hamad, also known as Abu Sakkar, said he also had video footage of himself using a saw to cut a Shabiha government militiaman into “small and large pieces”.

Yasser Taha, a fellow fighter, told the Guardian an unnamed female relative of Abu Sakkar had been raped and killed by government soldiers. Time said he had in fact eaten the dead man’s lung, not his liver or heart.

93 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, May 14, 2013 12:03:16pm

re: #88 Lidane

OUTRAGE!

Cue the cries of librul elite tyranny at universities in 3…2…1…

Government should only ban cannabis!

94 Kragar  Tue, May 14, 2013 12:03:20pm

re: #89 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

God made man in his image, white. People with varying amounts of melanin in their skin are the result of man’s sin of trying to become God by building a tower in Babel. I’m not sure how god feels about the building in Dubai.

Excess melanin is a sign of the devil. FACT!
/

95 Targetpractice  Tue, May 14, 2013 12:03:25pm
96 Lidane  Tue, May 14, 2013 12:03:37pm

*sigh*

This is one of my Senators, y’all. I weep for my state:

97 stabby  Tue, May 14, 2013 12:05:23pm

re: #96 Lidane

I’m imagining being grilled at the border by Mickey and Goofy.

98 Kragar  Tue, May 14, 2013 12:06:43pm

re: #97 stabby

I’m imagining being grilled at the border by Mickey and Goofy.

An Irishman and a Texan?

99 jaunte  Tue, May 14, 2013 12:06:48pm

re: #90 Bulworth

And women are cursed because Eve at the apple.

Disobedience, the original sin.

100 gwangung  Tue, May 14, 2013 12:08:53pm

re: #87 Targetpractice

Thing about it is that getting ahead of a scandal can just as easily get the White House accused of a cover-up. Especially if they start demanding heads before the opposing party has had time to process the initial allegations.

Ahem…Shirley Sherrod.

101 BigPapa  Tue, May 14, 2013 12:09:52pm

All this Benghazi and IRS stuff does have a silver lining: they’re too busy to work on legislation controlling women or screwing minorities or immigrants.

102 blueraven  Tue, May 14, 2013 12:10:41pm

re: #87 Targetpractice

Thing about it is that getting ahead of a scandal can just as easily get the White House accused of a cover-up. Especially if they start demanding heads before the opposing party has had time to process the initial allegations.

They get paid the big bucks to advise the President and in general, they have sucked lately. The President should have come out with a strong statement on Friday when the IRS story broke. They should be stressing the National Security leaks which are the focus of this AP mess. Leaks which by the way the republicans were blaming on the white house and calling for investigations.
The message is not getting out.

103 makeitstop  Tue, May 14, 2013 12:10:53pm

This story is blowing up all over Facebook - and all my RWNJ friends seem to be absent today. Heh.

104 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, May 14, 2013 12:12:13pm

re: #90 Bulworth

And women are cursed because Eve at the apple.

Women are doubly cursed because Eve convinced Adam to eat the apple. She was not only a sinner on her own, she was a Jezebel who victimized Adam.

106 Joanne  Tue, May 14, 2013 12:12:47pm

re: #103 makeitstop

This story is blowing up all over Facebook - and all my RWNJ friends seem to be absent today. Heh.

Doesn’t fit their narrative, so…LA LA LA LA LA LA..I CANNOT HEAR YOU!

And Romney is going to win in a landslide!

The echo chamber at work.

107 BigPapa  Tue, May 14, 2013 12:13:02pm

Women are cursed because they have to put up with men.

108 GunstarGreen  Tue, May 14, 2013 12:13:27pm

re: #99 jaunte

Disobedience, the original sin.

I’ve always found the concept of the original sin fascinating. So God created Adam and Eve, and Eden and all that. The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil was also God’s creation, as was the Snake, for all things were God’s creation. He forbid Adam and Eve from eating the fruit of the Tree, because that would impart the Knowledge to them — that knowledge is what causes them to cover themselves, which is how God finds out.

But if they hadn’t yet eaten the fruit, and didn’t yet have the knowledge… they would have had no frame of reference to know that it was wrong to disobey God. God was expecting them to do the right thing without knowing what right and wrong were — and he was well aware that they were ignorant in that respect. He created the temptation itself, then commanded them to resist it without giving them any way to judge that obeying him was important.

Basically, the original sin is a giant setup, and God is pretty much an asshole.

109 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, May 14, 2013 12:14:00pm

re: #97 stabby

I’m imagining being grilled at the border by Mickey and Goofy.

Gas or coals?

110 Lidane  Tue, May 14, 2013 12:17:09pm

re: #109 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

Gas or coals?

Propane and propane accessiories, of course.

/King of the Hill

111 Kragar  Tue, May 14, 2013 12:18:13pm

Eddie Izzard on the differences between Catholics and Anglicans:

So the Pagan religion I don’t know a huge amount about, but it was this earthy thing. Christianity had split into many different areas - Catholicism still has the fire and brimstone,( beating drum ) “Row, you bastards!” You know… Original sin! What a hellish idea that is! People have to go,

“Father, bless me for I have sinned, I did an original sin… I poked a badger with a spoon.”

“I’ve never heard of that one before! Five Hail Mary’s and two Hello, Dolly’s.”

“Oh, all right…”

“Bless me, Father, for I have slept with my next door neighbor’s wife.”

“Heard it! I want an original sin.”

“Oh, I’m terribly sorry!”

The Anglican faith doesn’t have that. You’ll never go,

“Vicar, I have done many bad things.”

“Well, so have I.”

“What shall I do?”

“Well, drink five Bloody Marys and you won’t remember.”

112 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, May 14, 2013 12:18:44pm

re: #97 stabby

I’m imagining being grilled at the border by Mickey and Goofy.

Or Donald Duck trying to engage with a French Canadian.

113 Targetpractice  Tue, May 14, 2013 12:18:48pm

re: #102 blueraven

They get paid the big bucks to advise the President and in general, they have sucked lately. The President should have come out with a strong statement on Friday when the IRS story broke. They should be stressing the National Security leaks which are the focus of this AP mess. Leaks which by the way the republicans were blaming on the white house and calling for investigations.
The message is not getting out.

Take into consideration that the IRS story is bad no matter how you slice it, there’s no real way for the White House to address it that isn’t going to make it look like they’ve been caught with their hands in the cookie jar.

As for the AP story, the news services are closing ranks and treating this as a major violation of the freedom of the press, which is questionable a best. In this case it’s not the action itself but the scope of it, the wide dragnet that was employed, that is the stumbling point of any attempt to downplay it.

114 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, May 14, 2013 12:19:12pm

re: #108 GunstarGreen

I’ve always found the concept of the original sin fascinating. So God created Adam and Eve, and Eden and all that. The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil was also God’s creation, as was the Snake, for all things were God’s creation. He forbid Adam and Eve from eating the fruit of the Tree, because that would impart the Knowledge to them — that knowledge is what causes them to cover themselves, which is how God finds out.

But if they hadn’t yet eaten the fruit, and didn’t yet have the knowledge… they would have had no frame of reference to know that it was wrong to disobey God. God was expecting them to do the right thing without knowing what right and wrong were — and he was well aware that they were ignorant in that respect. He created the temptation itself, then commanded them to resist it without giving them any way to judge that obeying him was important.

Basically, the original sin is a giant setup, and God is pretty much an asshole.

That story also contradicts the idea put forward by modern Christians, that God is always with you and knows what’s in your heart and soul.

Omniscient? I don’t think so.

115 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, May 14, 2013 12:20:10pm

re: #108 GunstarGreen

Basically, the original sin is a giant setup, and God is pretty much an asshole.

God is fine, the people making up stories about him are assholes, and the God they describe is going to be in their image.

116 Targetpractice  Tue, May 14, 2013 12:20:51pm

re: #115 Sol Berdinowitz

God is fine, the people making up stories about him are assholes, and the God they describe is going to be in their image.

I’ve said it before but I’ll say it again, it’s not God I have a problem with, it’s his fan club that I can’t stand.

117 Kragar  Tue, May 14, 2013 12:21:52pm

re: #115 Sol Berdinowitz

God is fine, the people making up stories about him are assholes, and the God they describe is going to be in their image.

I’m gonna go build my own religion, with blackjack and hookers. In fact, forget the religion!

118 klys  Tue, May 14, 2013 12:21:54pm

I just want to say, fuck the fucking mess that is the health insurance bullshit in this country. Fuck it with a rusty spoon.

119 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, May 14, 2013 12:21:58pm

re: #116 Targetpractice

I’ve said it before but I’ll say it again, it’s not God I have a problem with, it’s his fan club that I can’t stand.

It’s the problem with any organized religion, at some point the organization overshadows the religion.

120 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, May 14, 2013 12:22:01pm

re: #108 GunstarGreen

I’ve always found the concept of the original sin fascinating. So God created Adam and Eve, and Eden and all that. The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil was also God’s creation, as was the Snake, for all things were God’s creation. He forbid Adam and Eve from eating the fruit of the Tree, because that would impart the Knowledge to them — that knowledge is what causes them to cover themselves, which is how God finds out.

But if they hadn’t yet eaten the fruit, and didn’t yet have the knowledge… they would have had no frame of reference to know that it was wrong to disobey God. God was expecting them to do the right thing without knowing what right and wrong were — and he was well aware that they were ignorant in that respect. He created the temptation itself, then commanded them to resist it without giving them any way to judge that obeying him was important.

Basically, the original sin is a giant setup, and God is pretty much an asshole.

Just like Ren putting out the giant red button and telling Cadet Stimpy not to press it.

So that makes God similar to a hyperactive chihuahua that sounds like Peter Lorre and likes to pee on electric fences.

121 blueraven  Tue, May 14, 2013 12:22:54pm

re: #113 Targetpractice

Take into consideration that the IRS story is bad no matter how you slice it, there’s no real way for the White House to address it that isn’t going to make it look like they’ve been caught with their hands in the cookie jar.

As for the AP story, the news services are closing ranks and treating this as a major violation of the freedom of the press, which is questionable a best. In this case it’s not the action itself but the scope of it, the wide dragnet that was employed, that is the stumbling point of any attempt to downplay it.

OK they’re doing a great job! //
There is nothing the poor babies can do but let the train run right over them.

122 lawhawk  Tue, May 14, 2013 12:23:15pm

re: #112 Feline Fearless Leader

Or Donald Duck trying to engage with a French Canadian.

Oh, that’s just f-king goofy. /

123 Kragar  Tue, May 14, 2013 12:23:52pm

re: #116 Targetpractice

I’ve said it before but I’ll say it again, it’s not God I have a problem with, it’s his fan club that I can’t stand.

After 80+ years of not giving a damn, my Grandmother has decided she has found Jesus and keeps pestering my mother about asking if my dad found Jesus before he died. She also wants my mother to spends $20-30k on a religious memorial service that my Dad would absolutely have fucking hated.

124 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, May 14, 2013 12:24:14pm

re: #116 Targetpractice

I’ve said it before but I’ll say it again, it’s not God I have a problem with, it’s his fan club that I can’t stand.

The tub Bible thumpers.

125 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, May 14, 2013 12:24:21pm

re: #121 blueraven

OK they’re doing a great job! //
There is nothing the poor babies can do but let the train run right over them.

If our government has been dysfunctional up to now, it is henceforth completely catatonic. We will make no progress in solving our social, environmantal or economic problems, and I fear that if we are faced with a major crisis that calls for both strong leadership and bipartisan co-operation, we are going to founder catastrophically, or at least embarrassingly…

126 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, May 14, 2013 12:25:44pm

re: #118 klys

I just want to say, fuck the fucking mess that is the health insurance bullshit in this country. Fuck it with a rusty spoon.

Come north to the land of frozen tundra and free health care, young padawan.

127 Targetpractice  Tue, May 14, 2013 12:26:07pm

re: #121 blueraven

OK they’re doing a great job! //
There is nothing the poor babies can do but let the train run right over them.

What is it you expect them to do? Stand up and tell the GOP to go fuck themselves? Nixon pulled that shit and they ran his ass out of town on a rail. And he was actually being accused of something more substantial than “Presidenting While Black.”

128 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, May 14, 2013 12:26:21pm

re: #120 Feline Fearless Leader

Just like Ren putting out the giant red button and telling Cadet Stimpy not to press it.

So that makes God similar to a hyperactive chihuahua that sounds like Peter Lorre and likes to pee on electric fences.

That image hurts my brain.

129 Kragar  Tue, May 14, 2013 12:30:24pm

re: #128 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

That image hurts my brain.

The Holy Trinity

130 lawhawk  Tue, May 14, 2013 12:32:19pm

re: #129 Kragar

Blasphemer. There is only one true Trinity.

Okay, maybe two.

///

131 blueraven  Tue, May 14, 2013 12:32:27pm

re: #127 Targetpractice

What is it you expect them to do? Stand up and tell the GOP to go fuck themselves? Nixon pulled that shit and they ran his ass out of town on a rail. And he was actually being accused of something more substantial than “Presidenting While Black.”

I told you already…they should have made a stronger statement on the IRS story. None of this “IF” they are targeting stuff on Monday after this brewed over the weekend. The IRS has already admitted targeting RW groups. The President should have come out on Friday saying anyone who was targeting, or had ordered targeting will be dealt with severely, and criminal investigations should ensue.

Political malpractice if you ask me.

132 Jolo5309  Tue, May 14, 2013 12:32:41pm

re: #117 Kragar

I’m gonna go build my own religion, with blackjack and hookers. In fact, forget the religion!

I am interested in your ideas and would like to subscribe to your magazine

133 Jolo5309  Tue, May 14, 2013 12:35:35pm

re: #123 Kragar

After 80+ years of not giving a damn, my Grandmother has decided she has found Jesus and keeps pestering my mother about asking if my dad found Jesus before he died. She also wants my mother to spends $20-30k on a religious memorial service that my Dad would absolutely have fucking hated.

Tell her no and he lost the scavenger hunt because he never looked under the chesterfield for jesus.

134 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, May 14, 2013 12:38:02pm

ATTORNEY: Doctor , how many of your autopsies have you performed on dead people?
WITNESS: All of them. The live ones put up too much of a fight.

135 Lidane  Tue, May 14, 2013 12:38:54pm

Heh:

136 Kragar  Tue, May 14, 2013 12:39:23pm

re: #133 Jolo5309

Tell her no and he lost the scavenger hunt because he never looked under the chesterfield for jesus.

I proposed a viking longship, escorted by bikers to the sea and set ablaze. My mom said it sounded good, but permits might be a problem. We’re going with a memorial wake at the house in a few weeks, and his ashes will be scattered at one of his favorite motorcycle ride locations.

137 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, May 14, 2013 12:39:35pm

ATTORNEY: So the date of conception (of the baby) was August 8th?
WITNESS: Yes.
ATTORNEY: And what were you doing at that time?
WITNESS: Getting laid

138 Kragar  Tue, May 14, 2013 12:40:41pm

re: #137 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

ATTORNEY: So the date of conception (of the baby) was August 8th?
WITNESS: Yes.
ATTORNEY: And what were you doing at that time?
WITNESS: Getting laid

What is your birthday?
May 16th.
What year?
Every year.

139 Mattand  Tue, May 14, 2013 12:40:56pm

re: #117 Kragar

I’m gonna go build my own religion, with blackjack and hookers. In fact, forget the religion!

And the blackjack!

140 dragonath  Tue, May 14, 2013 12:41:19pm

re: #120 Feline Fearless Leader

So that makes God similar to a hyperactive chihuahua that sounds like Peter Lorre and likes to pee on electric fences.

♪ ♫ Don’t whiz on the electric fence ♪ ♫

141 klys  Tue, May 14, 2013 12:41:38pm

On a somewhat tangentially related note to my previous statement, vacation policy in the US is also fucked up beyond belief.

Why yes, we’re getting the new job benefits information, why do you ask?

142 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, May 14, 2013 12:42:56pm

re: #141 klys

On a somewhat tangentially related note to my previous statement, vacation policy in the US is also fucked up beyond belief.

Why yes, we’re getting the new job benefits information, why do you ask?

We work for the Glory of God. Vacation is for the Sinful

143 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, May 14, 2013 12:43:10pm

re: #141 klys

On a somewhat tangentially related note to my previous statement, vacation policy in the US is also fucked up beyond belief.

Why yes, we’re getting the new job benefits information, why do you ask?

The company I work for gets upset if you are not taking at least some of your vacation as a continuous period of time off - like at least a week.

144 Mattand  Tue, May 14, 2013 12:43:43pm

re: #81 Joanne

American Taliban right there.

And Buehner…FUCK. YOU.

I had one GOP regular tell me I would be downdinged every time I referred to the GOP as that.

I LOL’d. Particularly since they and the people like this who support them never disabuse me of that notion.

145 Targetpractice  Tue, May 14, 2013 12:45:39pm

re: #131 blueraven

I told you already…they should have made a stronger statement on the IRS story. None of this “IF” they are targeting stuff on Monday after this brewed over the weekend. The IRS has already admitted targeting RW groups. The President should have come out on Friday saying anyone who was targeting, or had ordered targeting will be dealt with severely, and criminal investigations should ensue.

Political malpractice if you ask me.

You do remember when they fired a woman on nothing more than an edited video that the press was taking as gospel and treating as if Obama had said it himself, yes?

146 Kragar  Tue, May 14, 2013 12:46:26pm

My youngest girl knows the details for my funeral plans. I want to recreate the funeral scene from IT crowd.

147 jaunte  Tue, May 14, 2013 12:46:42pm

re: #144 Mattand

I had one GOP regular tell me I would be downdinged every time I referred to the GOP as that.

I LOL’d. Particularly since they and the people like this who support them never disabuse me of that notion.

Just then, I’m reading this in another window…

Jimmy Carter: Republicans accused the born-again Christian president of an “unconstitutional regulatory vendetta” against religious institutions after his IRS director, Jerome Kurtz, introduced new regulation to end the tax-exempt status of Christian schools. Kurtz ultimately had to retain Secret Service protection after a wave of death threats from supporters of religious education.
motherjones.com

148 klys  Tue, May 14, 2013 12:46:57pm

re: #142 Sol Berdinowitz

re: #143 Feline Fearless Leader

It will be interesting to see what happens when I start work, as we’ve gone home for Christmas most years and that right there eats up about 8 vacation days.

If I get the typical ‘start with two weeks’ …yeah. I think there will be some unhappy parents, but I’m not spending my yearly vacation traveling all over the East Coast at Christmas.

149 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, May 14, 2013 12:47:24pm

re: #143 Feline Fearless Leader

The company I work for gets upset if you are not taking at least some of your vacation as a continuous period of time off - like at least a week.

That is not unreasonable. Even German labor law contains a clause that states that “vacation is for the purpose of rest and relaxation”, and allows companies to declare a “core vacation period”, ususally corresponding to the summer school vacation, in which you can be rwuired to take at least ten of your 27-30 days (I kid you not, that is the average) of paid vacation.

150 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Tue, May 14, 2013 12:51:13pm

re: #138 Kragar

What is your birthday?
May 16th.
What year?
Every year.

Lawyer: Chicolini, where were you born?

Chicolini: I don’t remember. I was just a little baby.

151 Jolo5309  Tue, May 14, 2013 12:51:18pm

re: #143 Feline Fearless Leader

The company I work for gets upset if you are not taking at least some of your vacation as a continuous period of time off - like at least a week.

Same with us, it is corporate policy to ensure that employees are taking at least a solid week off every year. The rest can be used in dribs and drabs but you better be gone for one full week.

152 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, May 14, 2013 12:51:20pm

re: #149 Sol Berdinowitz

That is not unreasonable. Even German labor law contains a clause that states that “vacation is for the purpose of rest and relaxation”, and allows companies to declare a “core vacation period”, ususally corresponding to the summer school vacation, in which you can be rwuired to take at least ten of your 27-30 days (I kid you not, that is the average) of paid vacation.

My general vacation scheduling issue isn’t number or days or company policy - it’s the requirement for maintaining task coverage with my co-workers. Essentially 1-2 of us have to be in or essentially on call 8-5 for all business days. So we trade off holiday periods and spend a lot of time coordinating who will be in or available on a given week.

This year I get to take the week of Thanksgiving off, but will be working the days around Christmas. My “long” vacation is going to be at the end of July when I take a week and a half off to go to a convention in California and stay out there a few extra days to play tourist.

153 aagcobb  Tue, May 14, 2013 12:52:04pm

re: #79 stabby

“God’s family structure” means “single women are their father’s chattel”

That’s amazingly fucked up.
If men had the right to sell their daughters for money like they do in Afghanistan, girl-chattel slavery would be complete.

Traditional marriage. We should quit experimenting and return to the time-honored marriage tradition of one man buying as many girls with his livestock as he can afford./

154 blueraven  Tue, May 14, 2013 12:52:30pm

re: #145 Targetpractice

You do remember when they fired a woman on nothing more than an edited video that the press was taking as gospel and treating as if Obama had said it himself, yes?

Why yes, I do remember that. Which has nothing to do with this. What part of “The IRS has admitted to targeting tea party groups” do you not understand?

I am not saying he should fire anyone outside of the white house staff. But he has to be more indignant and forceful about this IRS scandal. Everybody hates the IRS, and if there is a perception that he is soft on this…that is trouble.

155 Kragar  Tue, May 14, 2013 12:53:26pm

re: #150 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts

Lawyer: Chicolini, where were you born?

Chicolini: I don’t remember. I was just a little baby.

“Congratulations! I hear your wife is pregnant.”

“Yeah, and when I find the guy that did it… “

156 lawhawk  Tue, May 14, 2013 12:54:25pm

re: #155 Kragar

Q: Got any naked pictures of your wife?
A: No…
Q: Want to buy some?

157 Targetpractice  Tue, May 14, 2013 12:56:36pm

re: #154 blueraven

Why yes, I do remember that. Which has nothing to do with this. What part of “The IRS has admitted to targeting tea party groups” do you not understand?

I am not saying he should fire anyone outside of the white house staff. But he has to be more indignant and forceful about this IRS scandal. Everybody hates the IRS, and if there is a perception that he is soft on this…that is trouble.

The IRS also characterized it as a small group in Cincinnati that had acted of their own initiative. And, in classic scandal fashion, everything we know about this story so far is being given to us in drib and drabs by leakers in Congress who have access to the official report.

Really, it doesn’t matter how hard he attacks this story, it happened on his watch, the assumption is he either knew about it or he ordered it. Coming out the same day the IRS fesses up to demand a criminal investigation is not going to stop the whispers. Not when the press smells blood in the water.

158 Mattand  Tue, May 14, 2013 12:57:42pm

re: #154 blueraven

Why yes, I do remember that. Which has nothing to do with this. What part of “The IRS has admitted to targeting tea party groups” do you not understand?

I am not saying he should fire anyone outside of the white house staff. But he has to be more indignant and forceful about this IRS scandal. Everybody hates the IRS, and if there is a perception that he is soft on this…that is trouble.

Obama shouldn’t take it lightly, but he can’t control Fox News or the gullibility of the average American.

Besides, I’m still skeptical that the IRS had it in for the Tea Baggers. How many times over the past four years has the MSM taken these stories at face value, only to have the actual facts surface weeks later?

159 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, May 14, 2013 12:59:03pm

AIG CEO to college grads: “Take whatever job you can get”

“They want me to talk to the students and give them a sense of encouragement, especially with the high unemployment,” Benmosche tells Bloomberg News. “My advice will be, whatever opportunity comes your way, take it. Take it and treat it as if it’s the only one that’s coming your way, because that actually may be the truth.”

Douchebag banking exec says what?

160 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:02:02pm

re: #136 Kragar

I proposed a viking longship, escorted by bikers to the sea and set ablaze. My mom said it sounded good, but permits might be a problem. We’re going with a memorial wake at the house in a few weeks, and his ashes will be scattered at one of his favorite motorcycle ride locations.

A friend of ours want to have his cremated remains stuffed into the tailpipe of his Harley, fire it up, and spray his ashes over his roses.
And that’s exactly what we’ll do.

161 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:05:36pm

re: #160 Backwoods_Sleuth

A friend of ours want to have his cremated remains stuffed into the tailpipe of his Harley, fire it up, and spray his ashes over his roses.
And that’s exactly what we’ll do.

Frikken brilliant.

162 lawhawk  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:07:19pm

re: #158 Mattand

The TIGTA is the one who blew the whistle on this. That’s the inspector general for the Treasury Department, for which the IRS is part. They’re the ones who found something improper.

And the improper action comes because the IRS didn’t have a politics-neutral way of dealing with the massive influx of new 501(c)(4) entity applications, so it was decided to shorthand the evaluations based on entity name (TP, freedom, etc.), even though all entities should have gotten checked.

163 Targetpractice  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:07:46pm

re: #160 Backwoods_Sleuth

A friend of ours want to have his cremated remains stuffed into the tailpipe of his Harley, fire it up, and spray his ashes over his roses.
And that’s exactly what we’ll do.

I’ve considered going with the Hunter Thompson method: Have my ashes mixed into a powder charge and then fired out of a cannon.

164 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:08:35pm

re: #163 Targetpractice

I’ve considered going with the Hunter Thompson method: Have my ashes mixed into a powder charge and then fired out of a cannon.

That’s also frikken brilliant!

165 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:11:45pm

My husband, OTOH, wants us to just take his body up to one of his favorite clearings in our forest and let the balance of nature take over.
I’m not too keen on that idea (ETA: just because I think it might be icky if one of the dogs comes home proudly carrying a body part…), so cremation it will be or a “green burial” in our family cemetery here on the farm. At least this way, he gets to spend eternity next to his beloved canine companions.

166 Bad Messiah  Tue, May 14, 2013 2:20:00pm

re: #53 Targetpractice

Advocacy groups affiliated with a political party which borrows it’s name from an historical tax revolt are (allegedly) hyper-scrutinized by the IRS ?

Why am I underwhelmed ?

167 Slap  Tue, May 14, 2013 3:05:53pm

re: #151 Jolo5309

Same with us, it is corporate policy to ensure that employees are taking at least a solid week off every year. The rest can be used in dribs and drabs but you better be gone for one full week.

When I was working in banking many moons ago, it was explained to me that long-term embezzlement schemes need a person’s presence to maintain the constructed facade — a full, uninterrupted 1-week stretch away from the job will often expose the problem.

Turned out to be true at least a half-dozen times in my 15 years in that biz.


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