WaPo Fact-Checker Says Obama “Got Away With” Stating a Fact

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This is possibly the strangest and most ridiculous piece yet from Washington Post fact-checker Glenn Kessler, as he gives four “pinocchios” (the “most dishonest” rating) to President Obama’s completely factual claim that he almost immediately used the T word to describe the Benghazi attacks: Obama’s Claim He Called Benghazi an ‘Act of Terrorism’.

You can read the whole thing if you like, although I wish I hadn’t wasted the time myself. Are we really going to be reduced to parsing the difference between “terror” and “terrorism?” And is this really supposed to be Washington Post-level analysis?

I’ll just quote from Kessler’s conclusion, to demonstrate how weird this pedantic piece is:

During the campaign, the president could just get away with claiming he said “act of terror,” since he did use those words — though not in the way he often claimed. It seemed like a bit of after-the-fact spin, but those were his actual words — to the surprise of Mitt Romney in the debate.

Yes, that’s right — Kessler thinks the President “got away” with … something … because he stated a fact. Wow.

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241 comments
1 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, May 14, 2013 12:59:59pm

I would die a happy man if I never heard the word “Benghazi” again for as long as I live.

2 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:00:13pm

Also reposted from downstairs:

AIG CEO to college grads: “Take whatever job you can get”

“They want me to talk to the students and give them a sense of encouragement, especially with the high unemployment,” Benmosche tells Bloomberg News. “My advice will be, whatever opportunity comes your way, take it. Take it and treat it as if it’s the only one that’s coming your way, because that actually may be the truth.”

Douchebag banking exec says what?

3 Kragar  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:00:21pm

“We’ll let you get away with telling the truth this time…”

4 klys  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:00:40pm

Is there any clarification on what makes something ‘terrorism’ versus just, you know, a criminal act? Beyond brown people?

Serious question here - I’m not saying that what happened in Benghazi was or wasn’t terrorism, just trying to get a better handle on how these things are being defined in the media and in politics.

5 Targetpractice  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:01:02pm

Not surprising, Kessler was on this BS back when it was first “breaking news”:

Fake Outrage of the Day: Obama “Resists” Saying “Terrorism”

6 Bulworth  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:01:43pm

“Yeah, PBO said ‘act of terror’, but it was a very vague ‘act of terror’. “

OK, who hid the glue I recently gave up sniffing?

7 jaunte  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:02:05pm

THE CASE OF THE MISSING IST!

8 Dr. Matt  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:03:01pm

So teabag MSM hacks acknowledge that the President said “act of terror” but they refuse to acknowledge its definition. Brilliant.

9 Souliren  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:04:28pm

He used the words in such a way as no one listening to the speech for the first time (well me, at least) would say he called Bengazi a terrorist attack.

If he were in shit for calling it an act of terrorism in that speech instead of the reverse. His supporters could argue successfully that he did not call it a terrorist attack and would likely convince an impartial jury of that.

10 Targetpractice  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:04:49pm

re: #8 Dr. Matt

So teabag MSM hacks acknowledge that the President said “act of terror” but they refuse to acknowledge its definition. Brilliant.

I challenge Kessler and Issa (who raised this same BS point yesterday) to explain the difference between “terrorism” and “act of terror.”

11 Charles Johnson  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:04:59pm

Meanwhile, we have a very annoying spammer who keeps trying to post Pages. Has now registered 8 accounts. If you see a Page that’s obviously spam, please use the report button so we can get rid of it right away. And don’t click on any links in it.

12 Mattand  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:05:32pm

re: #9 Souliren

He used the words in such a way as no one listening to the speech for the first time (well me, at least) would say he called Bengazi a terrorist attack.

If he were in shit for calling it an act of terrorism in that speech instead of the reverse. His supporters could argue successfully that he did not call it a terrorist attack and would likely convince an impartial jury of that.

What?

13 BigPapa  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:06:08pm

Hillary was right. WTF does it matter anyway?

14 EPR-radar  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:07:34pm

re: #4 klys

Is there any clarification on what makes something ‘terrorism’ versus just, you know, a criminal act? Beyond brown people?

Serious question here - I’m not saying that what happened in Benghazi was or wasn’t terrorism, just trying to get a better handle on how these things are being defined in the media and in politics.

Serious definitions of terrorism usually start with the idea of trying to effect political change by violence. Although almost nobody is interested in being completely consistent with such a definition, it remains the best starting point I know of.

15 Charles Johnson  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:08:30pm

re: #9 Souliren

I saw that Rose Garden speech live when it happened, and I had no doubt whatsoever that he was referring to the Benghazi attack when he said, “No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation.”

The whole speech was about Benghazi. There was absolutely nothing “vague” about this.

16 Kragar  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:10:14pm

re: #15 Charles Johnson

I saw that speech in the Rose Garden live and I had no doubt whatsoever that he was referring to the Benghazi attack when he said, “No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation.”

The whole speech was about Benghazi. There was absolutely nothing “vague” about this.

The GOP demands a full blown Denethor on the battlements “FLEE! FLEE FOR YOUR LIVES!” response to every terrorist attack.

17 lawhawk  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:10:37pm

Kessler picked four Pinocchios for this tripe? That somehow the President using the words “Acts of Terror” on multiple occasions in the hours and days after the Benghazi attack, somehow doesn’t constitute recognizing that this is terrorism?

*headdesk*

Of course, this is gold to the likes of Karl Rove and other right wingers who think that this justifies everything they’ve invested in the Benghazi story all along.

It’s nuts. But that’s where we are. We’ve got fact-checkers opining that “acts of terror” isn’t the same as terrorism (someone get him a dictionary and thesaurus btw).

18 Dr. Matt  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:11:12pm

re: #9 Souliren

He used the words in such a way as no one listening to the speech for the first time (well me, at least) would say he called Bengazi a terrorist attack.

If he were in shit for calling it an act of terrorism in that speech instead of the reverse. His supporters could argue successfully that he did not call it a terrorist attack and would likely convince an impartial jury of that.

Huh?

19 Mattand  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:11:32pm

re: #15 Charles Johnson

I saw that speech in the Rose Garden live and I had no doubt whatsoever that he was referring to the Benghazi attack when he said, “No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation.”

The whole speech was about Benghazi. There was absolutely nothing “vague” about this.

Souliren has posted 18 times in 7 years, and chimes in now to concern troll along with Glenn Kessler.

This should be good.

20 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:11:33pm

Heh heh.

21 jaunte  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:11:36pm

re: #16 Kragar

The GOP demands a full blown Denethor on the battlements “FLEE! FLEE FOR YOUR LIVES!” response to every terrorist attack.

Unless its a ‘lone wolf’ domestic yahoo.

22 Charles Johnson  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:12:26pm

re: #17 lawhawk

Kessler picked four Pinocchios for this tripe?

That’s his worst rating. He’s actually calling Obama a liar for this. It’s stunning. I honestly can’t figure out the kind of mental process that would lead anyone to write this kind of hand-wringing pedantic BS.

23 Mattand  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:13:22pm

re: #22 Charles Johnson

That’s his worst rating. He’s actually calling Obama a liar for this. It’s stunning. I honestly can’t figure out the kind of mental process that would lead anyone to write this kind of hand-wringing pedantic BS.

A stroke?

Heavy drinking on the job?

Trying really hard to get hired by Fox News?

24 Targetpractice  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:13:31pm

re: #22 Charles Johnson

That’s his worst rating. He’s actually calling Obama a liar for this. It’s stunning. I honestly can’t figure out the kind of mental process that would lead anyone to write this kind of hand-wringing pedantic BS.

“Look At Me, Daddy!” syndrome. That need to appear impartial, to the point of passing off hackish horseshit as “fact-checking.”

25 Dr. Matt  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:13:35pm

Teabag Math: act of terror ≠ terrorism

26 EPR-radar  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:13:42pm

re: #16 Kragar

The GOP demands a full blown Denethor on the battlements “FLEE! FLEE FOR YOUR LIVES!” response to every terrorist attack.

The wingnut/GOP algorithm is much simpler.

Everything done or said by a (D) president is evil and wrong.

Everything done or said by an (R) president is good and right.

27 dragonath  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:14:12pm

Everybody knows that NOBAMA DOESN’T THINK ITS TERRORISM AND LURVES DEAD AMERCIAAAAAANS!!!

28 jaunte  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:14:26pm
(1) the term “international terrorism” means activities that—
(A) involve violent acts or acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State, or that would be a criminal violation if committed within the jurisdiction of the United States or of any State;
(B) appear to be intended—
(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
(ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or
(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and
(C) occur primarily outside the territorial jurisdiction of the United States, or transcend national boundaries in terms of the means by which they are accomplished, the persons they appear intended to intimidate or coerce, or the locale in which their perpetrators operate or seek asylum;
law.cornell.edu

It doesn’t matter if you call it an act of terror, or terrorism; what matters is the action itself.

29 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:15:38pm
30 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:17:05pm

One of our state’s GOP congressmen posted the following on Facebook earlier today about the Gosnell verdict:

When you see and hear of the crimes that Kermit Gosnell committed in his abortion clinic, it’s hard not to look the other way. In fact, many have. The only way to honor the little lives lost is with justice for these atrocious murders through the guilty verdict that was handed down today.

The first….FIRST reply was about Benghazi.

*sigh*

31 Kragar  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:17:14pm

Rep. Tom Price: U.S. Government ‘No Longer Has The Consent of the Governed’

Rep. Tom Price, Republican of Georgia, has what you might call a loose grip on the truth. In just the last year, for instance, he has cited a sham study to attack Obamacare, warned about the health and economic impacts of gay rights, and declared that “there is not one woman” without access to birth control.

He has also shown a penchant for Tea Party “America is doomed” rhetoric, such as his warning last year that the Affordable Care Act “removes the very freedom and liberty that our founders fought for at its very core” and will destroy “the America that you and I love.”

Price combined these two traits in an interview with conservative bloggers at Red State today, in which he completely made up facts about the stimulus bill and the deaths of dimplomats in Benghazi in order to argue that the Obama administration has “led to what many people have called a government that no longer has the consent of the governed.” This missing trust, he says, is what “allows a democracy to stand.”

32 EPR-radar  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:17:38pm

re: #24 Targetpractice

“Look At Me, Daddy!” syndrome. That need to appear impartial, to the point of passing off hackish horseshit as “fact-checking.”

If he were to honestly do his fact-checking job, the GOP these days would show up as liars about 100x more than the democrats. So, an Obama ‘lie’ about Benghazi is manufactured as an offering to the magical balance fairy.

33 Mattand  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:17:50pm

re: #29 NJDhockeyfan

Gosnell is the poster child for what will happen if the GOP gets its way and makes abortion illegal.

PSA to the conservatives out there: you’re making it happen by supporting these idiots. Enjoy your War on Women, asswipes.

34 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:17:51pm

I think we need a more accurate barometer for lying than “Pinocchios”

How about “Hannitys” or “Hofts”?

35 Kragar  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:17:53pm

re: #29 NJDhockeyfan

Well, that will piss off all the Right to Lifers.

36 Targetpractice  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:17:55pm

re: #29 NJDhockeyfan

Locked in a cell for the rest of his life, no chance of ever seeing the outside, knowing that even his fellow inmates think him a disgusting monster? Can’t think of a more fitting punishment.

37 lawhawk  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:18:42pm

re: #29 NJDhockeyfan

He’s forgoing an appeal of the convictions in exchange for not getting the death penalty. Life without parole.

For the prosecution, it not only means not having to spend more on appeals, up to and including the death penalty phase, but it creates finality regarding the outcome.

For Gosnell, it means he gets to live out his days behind bars. No hope of parole. No appeals.

38 blueraven  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:18:43pm

re: #9 Souliren

He used the words in such a way as no one listening to the speech for the first time (well me, at least) would say he called Bengazi a terrorist attack.

If he were in shit for calling it an act of terrorism in that speech instead of the reverse. His supporters could argue successfully that he did not call it a terrorist attack and would likely convince an impartial jury of that.

Bullshit. You heard what you wanted to hear. You cant speak for everyone. Glenn Kessler offered an opinion, just as you are doing. Not facts. He did, in fact, refer to it as an act of terror.

39 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:19:04pm

re: #30 Eclectic Cyborg

One of our state’s GOP congressmen posted the following on Facebook earlier today about the Gosnell verdict:

The first….FIRST reply was about Benghazi.

*sigh*

Here’s another reply to said Facebook post (added emphasis mine):

I just watched CBS news with Scott Pelley because I wanted to see if they would expose OBAMA’s lies from the news conference today(FOX news exposed his lies and they had the proof).Well this is what CBS news said,They only said Obama thinks all the questions have been answered and the Republicans are doing this as a political ploy against him and Hilary Clinton.This is why I only watch FOX news.Most of the liberal media are so biased,and are so for Obama and they won’t say anything against him.This is why most people are believing his BIG FAT LIES.

40 EPR-radar  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:19:58pm

re: #31 Kragar

This is what the wingnuts really want —- they want the US to become ungovernable via normal democratic processes.

41 Ming  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:20:37pm

I’ve commented on this before, but I think it’s worth emphasizing that the President of the United States, and people in his or her Administration, should choose their words carefully, so that they serve the interests of the country and its people.

As has often been pointed out here at LGF, yes of course the President said “No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation.” from the get-go, in regard to Benghazi.

But my point is that a President may have a good reason for saying whatever he or she says. For example, if two terror groups were known to be involved, a President may choose to name only one terror group, because naming the other would tip enemies off that we know about the second group.

This is only one example. It is ridiculous to parse a President’s words, looking for “evil motives”, especially in regard to an attack such as we had in Libya. Same with a member of the Administration who goes on a news talk show. There are many reasons why someone in the Administration would choose to emphasize one aspect of the attack over another; the whole world is listening to their words.

It’s obvious to me that President Obama, and people in his Administration, have spoken about Benghazi in thoroughly appropriate ways. I’m not sure I’ve ever heard of a President’s words being nit-picked to this extent.

42 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:20:58pm

re: #40 EPR-radar

This is what the wingnuts really want —- they want the US to become ungovernable via normal democratic processes.

And they’ve got one of our two major political parties working hard to achieve that.

43 Targetpractice  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:21:00pm

re: #32 EPR-radar

If he were to honestly do his fact-checking job, the GOP these days would show up as liars about 100x more than the democrats. So, an Obama ‘lie’ about Benghazi is manufactured as an offering to the magical balance fairy.

It’s about keeping the “scandal” going at this point. They can’t convince anybody that there’s any way we could have stopped the attacks, and demanding Hillary’s head after she’s resigned just smacks of sour grapes. No, at this point their only remaining card is to keep pushing the talking points as the focus of the whole mess.

44 Decatur Deb  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:21:28pm

re: #31 Kragar

Rep. Tom Price: U.S. Government ‘No Longer Has The Consent of the Governed’

Well, it has been eight years since last November.

45 Bulworth  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:21:55pm
“led to what many people have called a government that no longer has the consent of the governed.”

“Some people say….”

46 Targetpractice  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:22:32pm

re: #45 Bulworth

“Some people say….”

“Some people” are always full of shit.

47 dragonath  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:23:04pm

re: #39 Eclectic Cyborg

Here’s another reply to said Facebook post (added emphasis mine):

ERICK ERICKSON, LIBERAL CNN REPORTER!

48 Bulworth  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:23:27pm

re: #44 Decatur Deb

Why won’t PBO subject himself to an election?!!!1111!!!1

49 Decatur Deb  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:24:03pm

re: #47 dragonath

ERICK ERICKSON, LIBERAL CNN REPORTER!

Perfectly true, in a dimension where Hitler was a socialist.

50 EPR-radar  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:24:04pm

re: #42 Eclectic Cyborg

And they’ve got one of our two major political parties working hard to achieve that.

So what’s their endgame —- a fascist dictatorship? These clowns in the GOP are some combination of evil and stupid that may well be unprecedented.

51 Decatur Deb  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:25:07pm

re: #50 EPR-radar

So what’s their endgame —- a fascist dictatorship? These clowns in the GOP are some combination of evil and stupid that may well be unprecedented.

You can precedent them, but you might have to godwin a bit.

52 Kragar  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:25:11pm

re: #45 Bulworth

“Some people say….”

Many people = Dumb ass tea partiers who live in a reality free environment

53 bratwurst  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:25:14pm

re: #9 Souliren

He used the words in such a way as no one listening to the speech for the first time (well me, at least) would say he called Bengazi a terrorist attack.

If he were in shit for calling it an act of terrorism in that speech instead of the reverse. His supporters could argue successfully that he did not call it a terrorist attack and would likely convince an impartial jury of that.

Back to the sock drawer with you.

54 dragonath  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:27:54pm

re: #34 Eclectic Cyborg

I think we need a more accurate barometer for lying than “Pinocchios”

How about “Hannitys” or “Hofts”?

When you’re a bad fact checker
and you don’t know right from wrong
give a little whistle, give a little whistle…

55 BaronHaynes  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:28:04pm

Is there a German word for when a writer makes a tautological statement that disproves the argument they think they’re making, without realizing what they’ve done?

56 klys  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:29:16pm

re: #55 BaronHaynes

Is there a German word for when a writer makes a tautological statement that disproves the argument they think they’re making, without realizing what they’ve done?

If not, you just string that sentence together and call it a word.

57 engineer cat  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:29:24pm

reduced to parsing the difference

perhaps now we could remember that fascism, liberalism, progressivism, socialism, and communism all mean different things

58 Kragar  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:29:38pm

re: #55 BaronHaynes

Is there a German word for when a writer makes a tautological statement that disproves the argument they think they’re making, without realizing what they’ve done?

I believe its actually called a Kenobi.

“Only the Sith deal in absolutes!”

59 engineer cat  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:30:20pm

re: #9 Souliren

and would likely convince an impartial jury of that.

how nice of you to imagine that for us

60 Decatur Deb  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:30:41pm

re: #57 engineer cat

reduced to parsing the difference

perhaps now we could remember that fascism, liberalism, progressivism, socialism, and communism all mean different things

We won WWII because they had to say ‘panzerkampfwagen’ while we radioed ‘tank’.

61 wrenchwench  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:30:43pm

re: #55 BaronHaynes

Is there a German word for when a writer makes a tautological statement that disproves the argument they think they’re making, without realizing what they’ve done?

re: #56 klys

If not, you just string that sentence together and call it a word.

62 engineer cat  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:31:38pm

re: #55 BaronHaynes

Is there a German word for when a writer makes a tautological statement that disproves the argument they think they’re making, without realizing what they’ve done?

Stierscheiße?

63 klys  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:31:52pm

re: #61 wrenchwench

When the husband and I went to Germany, I discovered exactly how horrible his accent was when he went to order us two radler and brought back 3.

Fortunately they were only half-liters.

64 Souliren  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:32:22pm

I don’t understand it. I’m not Democrat, Republican or even an American but for several days following the attack it seemed to me like everyone in the Administration, including Obama was saying either “we don’t know yet” or it was because of “the video”.

I didn’t understand why it mattered what it was called until several days later when the video was still put forth as a significant cause by the administration.

I just re listened to the rose garden speech and yeah maybe four pinocchios is a bit heavy.

65 Charles Johnson  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:33:43pm

Four Media Reports From Libya That Linked the Benghazi Attacks to the Anti-Islam Video

For months, the Obama administration has been subject to media criticism for its initial statements linking the September attacks in Benghazi, Libya, to an anti-Islam video that had triggered protests across the Middle East at that time. President Obama has been accused of attempting to deliberately deceive the public in order to benefit his reelection campaign. But several media reports, filed from Libya in September and October and citing the statements of witnesses, show that at the time there was a reasonable case that the video played a role in the events of that day.

66 Kragar  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:34:45pm

re: #64 Souliren

Its almost like in the absence of real information, a variety of theories were introduced, but as more information was gathered, a more coherent story came together.

I find that suspicious.
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67 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:35:43pm

re: #64 Souliren

What are you even alleging happened? I’m not following you.

68 jaunte  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:35:47pm

re: #64 Souliren

I didn’t understand why it mattered what it was called until several days later when the video was still put forth as a significant cause by the administration

It’s almost like we had some secret operatives on the ground in Libya who were looking into it, and no one wanted to blow their cover.

69 klys  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:36:37pm

re: #64 Souliren

Obama called it an act of terror. Obama then said he called it an act of terror. Both of these things are factually accurate.

Fact checkers are supposed to check facts.

Not say that factually correct statements are lies to appease the magical balance fairy.

70 Charles Johnson  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:37:42pm

re: #64 Souliren

The video was put forth as a reason for the attack because the militant group who perpetrated the attack said themselves that the video was the reason: Election-Year Stakes Overshadow Nuances of Benghazi Investigation.

The fighters said at the time that they were moved to act because of the video, which had first gained attention across the region after a protest in Egypt that day. The assailants approvingly recalled a 2006 assault by local Islamists that had destroyed an Italian diplomatic mission in Benghazi over a perceived insult to the prophet. In June the group staged a similar attack against the Tunisian Consulate over a different film, according to the Congressional testimony of the American security chief at the time, Eric A. Nordstrom.

At a news conference the day after the ambassador and three other Americans were killed, a spokesman for Ansar al-Shariah praised the attack as the proper response to such an insult to Islam. “We are saluting our people for this zeal in protecting their religion, to grant victory to the prophet,” the spokesman said. “The response has to be firm.”

71 Decatur Deb  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:38:04pm

re: #69 klys

Obama called it an act of terror. Obama then said he called it an act of terror. Both of these things are factually accurate.

Fact checkers are supposed to check facts.

Not say that factually correct statements are lies to appease the magical balance fairy.

But..but…He was clearly alluding to the Haymarket bombing in his Benghazi sppech.

72 Kragar  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:38:32pm

re: #68 jaunte

It’s almost like we had some secret operatives on the ground in Libya who were looking into it, and no one wanted to blow their cover.

Well, actually someone did blow their cover.

Issa’s Benghazi document dump exposes several Libyans working with the U.S.

73 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:39:10pm

re: #63 klys

When the husband and I went to Germany, I discovered exactly how horrible his accent was when he went to order us two radler and brought back 3.

Fortunately they were only half-liters.

When I was stationed in German an old Special Forces trooper on the post wanted to get his German linguist rating back for the extra pay each month. So they had him go up to Division where the tester was a woman from Berlin. Now all us good American soldiers are stationed down in Bavaria, near Munich if your lucky, usually closer to Nuremberg.

After he took his test he asked her how it went, admitting he had picked up a bit of an accent down in Bavaria. She coldly said “That wasn’t an accent, that was a throat disease.” But she did pass him LOL.

74 Romantic Heretic  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:40:33pm

re: #55 BaronHaynes

Is there a German word for when a writer makes a tautological statement that disproves the argument they think they’re making, without realizing what they’ve done?

Schweinhund.

75 Decatur Deb  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:40:39pm

re: #72 Kragar

Well, actually someone did blow their cover.

Issa’s Benghazi document dump exposes several Libyans working with the U.S.

That demands a Special Prosecutor!!1!

76 wrenchwench  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:41:31pm

re: #72 Kragar

Well, actually someone did blow their cover.

Issa’s Benghazi document dump exposes several Libyans working with the U.S.

You’d almost think Issa was more interested in scoring political points against the President than he was in the security of our allies.

77 Vicious Babushka  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:41:45pm

UPDATE: I am beyond wiped out right now.

After his little episode this morning, I went to work as usual. I called Zedushka every hour to make sure he was OK. I called at 8:30, 9:30 and 10:30 and then he told me to stop calling.

I left work early to pick up our grandson who is spending the holiday with us. We got home at 1:45.

Zedushka is passed out in his chair.

Called EMS AGAIN. This time I am ready to go to the hospital. His sugar is 37. EMS pushes more sugar in him. We get his doctor on the phone, and the doc says just make sure he keeps eating. We don’t need to go to the hospital. For now.

All because a 64 year old man forgot to feed himself.

Meanwhile my grandson, 15 year old kid, has to witness all this. I have to remember not to say FUCK in front of him.

78 klys  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:42:24pm

re: #77 Vicious Babushka

{{VB}}

79 Romantic Heretic  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:42:56pm

re: #60 Decatur Deb

We won WWII because they had to say ‘panzerkampfwagen’ while we radioed ‘tank’.

Panzerkampfwagen is still easier than sonderkraftfahrzeug.

80 jaunte  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:43:14pm

re: #72 Kragar

House Oversight Committee

Oops.

81 Charles Johnson  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:43:19pm

I’m seeing a lot of wingnuts now conflating the fact that there was no protest over that shitty video with an assumption that the video had absolutely nothing to do with it, and the Obama administration was falsely claiming it did.

There were numerous reports at the time that the attackers were motivated by the video. They gave a press conference and ANNOUNCED it.

There was no protest. It was a straight-up attack. That part of the initial talking points was wrong. But there was, and still is, good reason to believe that the video was a big part of the reason for the attack.

82 Decatur Deb  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:43:23pm

re: #77 Vicious Babushka

Bummer. A big nurse with a dull needle could take the fun out of that.

83 wrenchwench  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:44:07pm

re: #77 Vicious Babushka

{{{Alouette}}}

Most 15 year olds like the f word, and their grandmothers who use it.

84 Bulworth  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:44:45pm

The ‘anti-Muslim video’ as a cause or motivator, and ‘act of terror’ as a response, are not mutually exclusive: could be both. What I think most RWNJ and Glenn Kessler mean by “terrorism” is “sponsored by Al-Qeda.

85 A Mom Anon  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:45:37pm

re: #77 Vicious Babushka

Oh hell. Throw a shoe at him. Yeah, it won’t help, but you might feel better. I wish I had words of wisdom, but as I said this morning, my husband is similarly neglectful of his health and all the crying and being pissed off in the world has had zero effect. At the very least he needs to see whoever prescribes his diabetes meds.

I’ll say a little prayer for you and the husband if that’s ok.

86 Decatur Deb  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:46:33pm

re: #79 Romantic Heretic

Panzerkampfwagen is still easier than sonderkraftfahrzeug.

When I googled that, I realized I had sat in one at APG.

87 Romantic Heretic  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:46:53pm

re: #77 Vicious Babushka

Tell him the male lizards are rolling their eyes at him. //

Sending positive vibes your way.

88 Vicious Babushka  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:46:59pm

re: #83 wrenchwench

{{{Alouette}}}

Most 15 year olds like the f word, and their grandmothers who use it.

I don’t think my daughter would appreciate it if her son goes home, drops the F bomb and then says “But Bubbie said it!”

I’m just catching my breath, then I have to make a couple of burgers for Zedushka (so he doesn’t pass out again) & the kid.

The holiday starts tonight but very late so they need to eat something soon. I just need to pull myself together.

89 Romantic Heretic  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:47:21pm

re: #86 Decatur Deb

When I googled that, I realized I had sat in one at APG.

Cool. Kinda jealous.

90 Charles Johnson  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:48:59pm

re: #77 Vicious Babushka

Yikes. Well, I’m glad he’s still OK enough not to need hospitalization, but you’ve got to keep that guy eating somehow.

91 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:49:38pm

{{{VB}}}

Which holiday starts tonight again? ISTR a couple day long one?

92 wrenchwench  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:51:26pm

re: #88 Vicious Babushka

I don’t think my daughter would appreciate it if her son goes home, drops the F bomb and then says “But Bubbie said it!”

I’m just catching my breath, then I have to make a couple of burgers for Zedushka (so he doesn’t pass out again) & the kid.

The holiday starts tonight but very late so they need to eat something soon. I just need to pull myself together.

There has to be a grama/grandson pact of secrecy. Makes it all the more special.

My grandmother called my grandfather ‘that bastard’ in front of me when I was that age. That was bad. I think ‘fuck’ is OK, but ‘that fucker’ would be totally unacceptable.

93 wrenchwench  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:52:19pm

re: #91 William Barnett-Lewis

{{{VB}}}

Which holiday starts tonight again? ISTR a couple day long one?

According to my calendar, tomorrow is ‘Guacamole Guendsday’.

94 leftynyc  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:53:02pm

re: #77 Vicious Babushka

UPDATE: I am beyond wiped out right now.

After his little episode this morning, I went to work as usual. I called Zedushka every hour to make sure he was OK. I called at 8:30, 9:30 and 10:30 and then he told me to stop calling.

I left work early to pick up our grandson who is spending the holiday with us. We got home at 1:45.

Zedushka is passed out in his chair.

Called EMS AGAIN. This time I am ready to go to the hospital. His sugar is 37. EMS pushes more sugar in him. We get his doctor on the phone, and the doc says just make sure he keeps eating. We don’t need to go to the hospital. For now.

All because a 64 year old man forgot to feed himself.

Meanwhile my grandson, 15 year old kid, has to witness all this. I have to remember not to say FUCK in front of him.

May be time for one of those watches that has alarms that can be set for certain hours (to remind him to eat). My thoughts are with you both.

95 Targetpractice  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:53:07pm

re: #81 Charles Johnson

I’m seeing a lot of wingnuts now conflating the fact that there was no protest over that shitty video with an assumption that the video had absolutely nothing to do with it, and the Obama administration was falsely claiming it did.

There were numerous reports at the time that the attackers were motivated by the video. They gave a press conference and ANNOUNCED it.

There was no protest. It was a straight-up attack. That part of the initial talking points was wrong. But there was, and still is, good reason to believe that the video was a big part of the reason for the attack.

At the same time, the unedited talking points laid out that, to the best of the CIA’s knowledge, it was not a pre-planned attack. It was a crime of opportunity, but conflated into something more based solely on the date it occurred.

96 Kragar  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:55:15pm

Inconvenient Deficit Facts

You wouldn’t know it from the public debate in Washington, to put it mildly, but the federal deficit is actually falling and falling rapidly. According to new CBO projections out today, assuming no changes to current law, this year’s deficit will be $642 billion, the lowest since 2008. Chart after the jump …

That comes out to 4.0% of GDP compared to the high of 10.1% in 2009. CBO projects that it will fall to 2.1% by 2015.

97 Kragar  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:55:38pm

re: #88 Vicious Babushka

I don’t think my daughter would appreciate it if her son goes home, drops the F bomb and then says “But Bubbie said it!”

I’m just catching my breath, then I have to make a couple of burgers for Zedushka (so he doesn’t pass out again) & the kid.

The holiday starts tonight but very late so they need to eat something soon. I just need to pull myself together.

Take care of yourself.

98 Political Atheist  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:57:12pm

OT
Put in a new web cam, nice view of Hill Street in downtown LA. It’s a bit of an endurance test for a camera and some gear. For the curious hit this link.

I think it will be really nice in the overnight.

99 thecommodore  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:57:24pm

Methinks Kessler is angling for an appearance on Sean Hannity’s “Great American Panel,” playing the role of “brave independent liberal” who goes along with right wing talking points.

In the vein of Kirstin Powers, for instance…

100 Targetpractice  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:57:33pm

re: #96 Kragar

Inconvenient Deficit Facts

Hence why Benghazi suddenly made a comeback to the news, because the debt ceiling is coming up, with the GOP holding up budget negotiations until they can use the threat of a default to force “entitlement reform.”

101 bratwurst  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:58:38pm
102 Political Atheist  Tue, May 14, 2013 1:59:22pm

re: #96 Kragar

Something is wrong with that link…

103 Decatur Deb  Tue, May 14, 2013 2:00:27pm

re: #101 bratwurst

Became shockingly real when we were registering voters in FL last Fall.

104 wrenchwench  Tue, May 14, 2013 2:01:43pm

re: #101 bratwurst

Obama could pardon a whole lot of people. I hope he does. But some major reform is needed.

105 EPR-radar  Tue, May 14, 2013 2:02:41pm

re: #101 bratwurst

Almost 7% disqualification of black men based on felony convictions. No doubt some depressingly large fraction of that 7% is for war on drugs BS.

106 Kragar  Tue, May 14, 2013 2:02:46pm

re: #102 Political Atheist

Something is wrong with that link…

Fixed the link.

107 Charles Johnson  Tue, May 14, 2013 2:03:31pm

OK, this is cool:

Image: How-Keys-Work.gif

108 darthstar  Tue, May 14, 2013 2:03:49pm

yeah…it was a good homestand…

109 jaunte  Tue, May 14, 2013 2:04:05pm
110 Decatur Deb  Tue, May 14, 2013 2:04:07pm

re: #105 EPR-radar

Almost 7% disqualification of black men based on felony convictions. No doubt some depressingly large fraction of that 7% is for war on drugs BS.

Depending on the state, there are procedures for having voting rights restored. In some states those procedures are not evenly applied. Not just whistlin’ Dixie.

111 wrenchwench  Tue, May 14, 2013 2:06:43pm

re: #109 jaunte

Glenn Kessler gives Grapenuts four Pinocchios for having neither grapes nor nuts.

112 Kragar  Tue, May 14, 2013 2:07:59pm

re: #111 wrenchwench

Glenn Kessler give Grapenuts four Pinocchios for having neither grapes not nuts.

Glenn Kessler gives the Religious Right four Pinocchios for being neither Religious nor Right.

113 jaunte  Tue, May 14, 2013 2:08:45pm

Just asking questions.

114 Targetpractice  Tue, May 14, 2013 2:10:19pm

DOJ responds to AP’s screams of “fascism” by saying “No, that’s how we do our jobs”:

DOJ Defends Subpoenas To AP: We’re Enforcing The Law

The Department of Justice sent a letter to the Associated Press on Tuesday, which was provided to TPM, saying that it acted within the law when subpoenaing the phone records of AP journalists as part of a criminal investigation.

“The subpoenas were limited to a reasonable period of time and did not seek the content of any calls,” DOJ Deputy Attorney General James Cole wrote to AP President and CEO Gary Pruitt. “In addition, these records have been closely held and reviewed solely for the purposes of this ongoing criminal investigation. The records have not been and will not be provided for use in any other investigations.”

“We strive in every case to strike the proper balance between the public’s interest in the free flow of infomation and the public’s interest in the protection of national security and effective enforcement of our criminal laws. We believe we have done so in this matter.”

115 Decatur Deb  Tue, May 14, 2013 2:10:20pm

re: #112 Kragar

Glenn Kessler gives the Religious Right four Pinocchios for being neither Religious nor Right.

Gives the Washington Post four Pinocchios for being neither a General or a pole. Or a newspaper.

116 Bulworth  Tue, May 14, 2013 2:10:30pm

re: #113 jaunte

Glenn wanted PBO to say “The terrorist attack yesterday in Benghazi was a terrorist attack and we will hunt down and kill the terrorists who attacked us yesterday in Libya in that terrorist attack.”

117 Targetpractice  Tue, May 14, 2013 2:11:00pm

re: #116 Bulworth

Glenn wanted PBO to say “The terrorist attack yesterday in Benghazi was a terrorist attack and we will hunt down and kill the terrorists who attacked us yesterday in Libya in that terrorist attack.”

“Noun, verb, 9/11.”

118 GeneJockey  Tue, May 14, 2013 2:12:19pm

re: #81 Charles Johnson

I’m seeing a lot of wingnuts now conflating the fact that there was no protest over that shitty video with an assumption that the video had absolutely nothing to do with it, and the Obama administration was falsely claiming it did.

It all comes down to what they wish to be able to claim. They want it to have been a long-planned attack by Al Qaeda in response to Obama ‘taking a victory lap’ over killing bin Laden, especially planned for the anniversary of 9/11. This would prove that Al Qaeda was NOT on the run, and that Obama was weak on terrorism, because he’s, you know, black a Democrat.

Thus, it can NOT have been in response to the video, nor could it have been an opportunistic attack by a local extremist militia under cover of the protests in Cairo.

119 Amory Blaine  Tue, May 14, 2013 2:13:08pm

Depends on what your definition of ism is. The wingnuts are riled up!!!

120 freetoken  Tue, May 14, 2013 2:13:29pm

The incestuously entangled relationship between the DC media (in this case the WaPo) and the elected representatives (and the machinery of government) disqualifies them in my eyes as for reporting on our government.

As far as I am concerned, Kessler and the rest depend upon generating controversy in order to sell, sell, and sell some more.

Of course our politicians lie.

We elect them to tell us all the pretty lies we want to hear.

121 Buck  Tue, May 14, 2013 2:14:00pm

I don’t think you are even trying to understand what the issue is.

Imagine if when the planes slammed into the World Trade Center, the Pentagon and that field in Pennsylvania, George Bush said that he didn’t know the cause, it was certainly terrifying but that it was probably just pilot error. For weeks, in order to make it seem like 9/11 was just a freak coincidence, instead of being open and honest, imagine if the Bush administration (despite knowing the truth) lied to the world. Making speech after speech that pilot error is not the federal government’s responsibility.

This is exactly what the Obama administration did, and continues to do.

Pilot error is now some idiotic youtube video (the maker of that video is still in jail). Despite the fact that today the President says that he knew it was terrorism immediately, he failed to correct his UN ambassador. Despite the fact that the President says that he knew it was terrorism immediately he failed to say so when asked the next day. Despite the fact that the President says that he knew it was terrorism immediately he expressed a different belief during a speech at the United Nations, on the TV show the View and on the late night show with David Letterman.

You might think that your answer can be both green and red when asked what colour the light was. However that doesn’t mean you have answered correctly when it turns out it was red.

Now you might ask “What difference does it make?”. Well, I answer, if it doesn’t make a difference then why lie?

122 freetoken  Tue, May 14, 2013 2:14:48pm

re: #121 Buck

This is exactly what the Obama administration did, and continues to do.

Bullshit.

123 GeneJockey  Tue, May 14, 2013 2:15:17pm

re: #121 Buck

Yeah, imagine if Bush had called it an “Act of Terror”.

Oh, wait.

124 EPR-radar  Tue, May 14, 2013 2:15:47pm

re: #120 freetoken

The incestuously entangled relationship between the DC media (in this case the WaPo) and the elected representatives (and the machinery of government) disqualifies them in my eyes as for reporting on our government.

As far as I am concerned, Kessler and the rest depend upon generating controversy in order to sell, sell, and sell some more.

Of course our politicians lie.

We elect them to tell us all the pretty lies we want to hear.

Politicians (including Obama) tell enough real lies and half-truths to make the agenda behind this pathetic exercise in ‘fact-checking’ very clear.

No MBF for this exercise.

125 wrenchwench  Tue, May 14, 2013 2:16:08pm

re: #121 Buck

I don’t think you are even trying to understand what the issue is.

Don’t make me laugh, Mr. Projectionist.

126 Buck  Tue, May 14, 2013 2:16:55pm

re: #123 GeneJockey

Yeah, imagine if Bush had called it an “Act of Terror”.

Oh, wait.

What matters is what he ALSO said… many times before and after.

127 Targetpractice  Tue, May 14, 2013 2:17:16pm

re: #121 Buck

The CIA believed the attacks to be spontaneous and linked to the protests in Cairo, which had been sparked by outrage over the video. Four different interviews from four different sources in Benghazi stated that the crowd was angry about the video. The militia that took part in the attack made a public statement that the attack was over outrage about the video.

What is the evidence that support this having been a pre-planned terrorist attack, besides a State Department employee with an axe to grind over how he feels he was “demoted” saying the video was a “non-event”?

128 Political Atheist  Tue, May 14, 2013 2:18:25pm

re: #114 Targetpractice

The records have not been and will not be provided for use in any other investigations.”

How about the rest of us get that deal? ‘Cause that’s a first. Patriot Act provisions used are 85% non terror investigations. Tell us another one boys.

129 Decatur Deb  Tue, May 14, 2013 2:19:10pm

Off to walk the dog, then to an AL Dem commie cell meeting to figure out how to combat voter suppression—BBL.

130 GeneJockey  Tue, May 14, 2013 2:19:19pm

re: #121 Buck

Allow me to expand. In your analogy, Bush says it might have been pilot error, not an intentional attack.

To fit your analogy, Obama would have to be floating the idea that the consulate may have erupted in flames all by itself, accidentally killing Amb. Stevens and Sean Smith, and then hours later another spontaneous explosion occurred on the roof, accidentally killing the two former SEALs.

131 EPR-radar  Tue, May 14, 2013 2:19:47pm

re: #121 Buck

Where does this silly ‘pilot error’ analogy come from? There were obviously attackers in Benghazi, and nobody has ever claimed otherwise.

132 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, May 14, 2013 2:20:21pm

re: #121 Buck

Bull Crap. First tell me why none of those “concerned” about Benghazi cared one whit while people died at the many attacks on embassies under Bush the Lesser? It’s because all any of you really care about is someone being “POTUS While Black” not about any of the people who died.

Now go crawl back under your rock.

133 GeneJockey  Tue, May 14, 2013 2:20:30pm

re: #126 Buck

Yeah, if only Obama had said we’d find the perpetrators and bring them to justice, like Bush did.

Oh, wait.

134 gwangung  Tue, May 14, 2013 2:21:22pm

re: #121 Buck

Don’t be stupid. Even you can do better than this.

135 Charles Johnson  Tue, May 14, 2013 2:21:39pm

re: #121 Buck

BENGHAZI!

136 jaunte  Tue, May 14, 2013 2:22:09pm

re: #134 gwangung

No, that’s it.

137 GeneJockey  Tue, May 14, 2013 2:22:32pm

re: #134 gwangung

Don’t be stupid. Even you can do better than this.

Assumes facts not in evidence.

138 EPR-radar  Tue, May 14, 2013 2:23:30pm

re: #121 Buck

I don’t think you are even trying to understand what the issue is.

…

There is no issue. Benghazi-gate is the Platonic Form of nontroversy.

139 AlexRogan  Tue, May 14, 2013 2:24:56pm

re: #138 EPR-radar

There is no issue. Benghazi-gate is the Platonic Form of nontroversy.

I’m really surprised that Buck hasn’t moved on to IRS-gate or AP-gate yet.

140 Charles Johnson  Tue, May 14, 2013 2:25:03pm

re: #121 Buck

It’s a waste of time to even try, but since you repeated the mindless wingnut accusation that the maker of that video is in jail, insinuating that it was because of the video for some reason — that guy is a convicted criminal, and he’s in jail right now because he violated the terms of his parole.

Now, please proceed.

141 Bulworth  Tue, May 14, 2013 2:25:33pm

The Benghazi bugaloo is in serious contention to overtake Where’s The Birth Certificate? as the derpiest derp of all time.

142 thedopefishlives  Tue, May 14, 2013 2:30:22pm

Afternoon Lizardim from the blistering hot wild north country. Looking at the thread, it appears to be a good thing I’m already wearing my asbestos scales.

143 engineer cat  Tue, May 14, 2013 2:31:21pm

re: #121 Buck

Imagine if when the planes slammed into the World Trade Center, the Pentagon and that field in Pennsylvania, George Bush said that he didn’t know the cause, it was certainly terrifying but that it was probably just pilot error

imagine if he had said that it was an act of terror, and that those who had perpetrated it would be brought to justice, which is what obama actually said

in my imagination, you stick to reality instead of imagining things, but i’m just imagining that

144 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, May 14, 2013 2:31:21pm

So has he logged out yet? That’s his pattern - drop a load of fertilizer then run away.

145 AlexRogan  Tue, May 14, 2013 2:31:23pm

re: #140 Charles Johnson

It’s a waste of time to even try, but since you repeated the mindless wingnut accusation that the maker of that video is in jail, insinuating that it was because of the video for some reason — that guy is a convicted criminal, and he’s in jail right now because he violated the terms of his parole.

Now, please proceed.

OH SNAP

146 EPR-radar  Tue, May 14, 2013 2:31:34pm

re: #139 AlexRogan

I’m really surprised that Buck hasn’t moved on to IRS-gate or AP-gate yet.

There are real issues in those cases (e.g., how best to police non-profits that push the boundaries of what they can do as tax exempt organizations, and the reach of federal police power under the Patriot act) that are inconvenient from a wingnut POV.

Thus, the emphasis on fact-free nontroversies in preference to real issues that could actually be more damaging to the administration (if malfeasance is shown).

This business about proving malfeasance is also a heavy burden on the tiny minds of wingnuts —- far easier to parrot the talking points du jour.

147 engineer cat  Tue, May 14, 2013 2:33:14pm

imagine if the Bush administration (despite knowing the truth) lied to the world.

i don’t have to ‘imagine’ that

148 engineer cat  Tue, May 14, 2013 2:34:23pm

re: #144 William Barnett-Lewis

So has he logged out yet? That’s his pattern - drop a load of fertilizer then run away.

we have to go through the phase where he has been grievously misunderstood first

149 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, May 14, 2013 2:35:51pm

re: #148 engineer cat

we have to go through the phase where he has been grievously misunderstood first

He only does that if there are a few folks logged on and Charles isn’t posting.

150 Dr. Matt  Tue, May 14, 2013 2:36:15pm

re: #121 Buck

Buck, the president admitted three times in 2 days that it was an act of terror. Are you pretending to be a retard?

151 jaunte  Tue, May 14, 2013 2:37:12pm

re: #150 Dr. Matt

The president did that while admittedly a member of the Democratic party.

152 EPR-radar  Tue, May 14, 2013 2:37:39pm

re: #151 jaunte

The president did that while admittedly a member of the Democratic party.

And while being openly black.

153 engineer cat  Tue, May 14, 2013 2:39:36pm

re: #152 EPR-radar

And while being openly black.

i believe it was a sunny day as well

154 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, May 14, 2013 2:39:38pm

re: #152 EPR-radar

And while being openly black.

That’s the real High Crime to the Wingnuts: POTUS While Black.

155 Dr. Matt  Tue, May 14, 2013 2:40:07pm

re: #152 EPR-radar

And while being openly black.

And while being a secret gun-grabbing, usurper, socialist Muslim.

156 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, May 14, 2013 2:43:03pm

Ugh, this is disgusting and appalling:

The New York Post spoke to a social anthropologist who claims to have discovered a scheme that makes us feel icky inside: Wealthy Manhattan moms and dads who hire disabled people to act like family members, so they and their children can cut to the front of the line.

These so-called “black-market Disney guides” use the amusement park’s policy of allowing handicapped guests to bring up to six guests to a “more convenient entrance.” The price for such a service runs $130 an hour or $1,040 for an eight-hour day at the park. Compare that to Disney’s VIP guided tours, which go from $315 to $380 per hour.

It’s reportedly organized by a tour company out of Florida, and is apparently all the rage among the one percenters.

“My daughter waited one minute to get on ‘It’s a Small World’ — the other kids had to wait 2 1/2 hours,” one customer reportedly said. “You can’t go to Disney without a tour concierge. This is how the 1 percent does Disney.”

That woman claims she, her husband and two young children hired a guide to escort her through the park, using the guide’s motorized scooter with a “handicapped” sign on it. They say they went straight to the front at each and every attraction.

Not just anyone can get this service, as the company reportedly asks for a referral when you call. So if your name isn’t on the upper echelon’s roll call, forget it, you’re back in the line with us common folk.

There is a truly special place in Hell for these people.

157 Political Atheist  Tue, May 14, 2013 2:43:05pm

Tough week for the admin any way you look at it. No wonder they all go gray. IRS scandal, AP scandal, a fairly inept spy scandal in Russia. Ouch! I can imagine him thinking “Bill and Hilary told me there would be days like this”. I would hate to have that job. Damn.

158 thedopefishlives  Tue, May 14, 2013 2:43:19pm

re: #154 William Barnett-Lewis

That’s the real High Crime to the Wingnuts: POTUS While Black.

POTUS While a Black Democrat. Because if it were a Republican, suddenly his skin color would become a point of pride.

159 EPR-radar  Tue, May 14, 2013 2:44:38pm

re: #141 Bulworth

The Benghazi bugaloo is in serious contention to overtake Where’s The Birth Certificate? as the derpiest derp of all time.

So, what the short list for this prize? To keep things manageable, lets exclude the old derpfests about Clinton et al. (i.e., Whitewater, Vince Foster) and limit it to material from 2000 and later.

A) Benghazi

B) Birfers

C) Fast and Furious

D) The ‘get whitey’ tape.

E) Bushitler (my one concession to the MBF)

F) Solyndra

I’m sure I’m missing some.

160 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, May 14, 2013 2:45:07pm

re: #157 Political Atheist

Tough week for the admin any way you look at it. No wonder they all go gray. IRS scandal, AP scandal, a fairly inept spy scandal in Russia. Ouch! I can imagine him thinking “Bill and Hilary told me there would be days like this”. I would hate to have that job. Damn.

“mama said there’ll be days like this…”

161 wrenchwench  Tue, May 14, 2013 2:45:16pm

I think Andrew Sullivan had to swim under the shark this time.

162 Political Atheist  Tue, May 14, 2013 2:46:31pm

re: #156 Eclectic Cyborg

Ugh, this is disgusting and appalling:

There is a truly special place in Hell for these people.

Yes there is, all they do is play “It’s a Small World” 24/7 without letup in rooms painted in childish pastels.

163 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, May 14, 2013 2:47:20pm

re: #159 EPR-radar

So, what the short list for this prize? To keep things manageable, lets exclude the old derpfests about Clinton et al. (i.e., Whitewater, Vince Foster) and limit it to material from 2000 and later.

A) Benghazi

B) Birfers

C) Fast and Furious

D) The ‘get whitey’ tape.

E) Bushitler (my one concession to the MBF)

F) Solyndra

I’m sure I’m missing some.

- Agenda 21

- DHS “Tanks”

- Obama’s “muslim” ring

- Death Panels

164 thedopefishlives  Tue, May 14, 2013 2:48:18pm

re: #159 EPR-radar

E) Bushitler (my one concession to the MBF)

Truth be told, there wasn’t a whole of derping in the Bush administration that wasn’t actually the truth. Although I could add one more: The Throbbing Memo.

165 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, May 14, 2013 2:51:33pm

re: #158 thedopefishlives

POTUS While a Black Democrat. Because if it were a Republican, suddenly his skin color would become a point of pride.

Only if he says the right things. Look at how fast Mr. Steele disappeared for example.

166 Amory Blaine  Tue, May 14, 2013 2:51:51pm

Don’t forget the old classic Bill Ayers!!!

167 Dr. Matt  Tue, May 14, 2013 2:53:01pm

re: #159 EPR-radar

So, what the short list for this prize? To keep things manageable, lets exclude the old derpfests about Clinton et al. (i.e., Whitewater, Vince Foster) and limit it to material from 2000 and later.

A) Benghazi

B) Birfers

C) Fast and Furious

D) The ‘get whitey’ tape.

E) Bushitler (my one concession to the MBF)

F) Solyndra

I’m sure I’m missing some.

ACORN

Shirley Sherrod

168 Political Atheist  Tue, May 14, 2013 2:53:44pm

Hey I just got a tweet from Sergey Romanov. Did he ever show up here after he went away for a bit?

169 thedopefishlives  Tue, May 14, 2013 2:55:17pm

re: #168 Political Atheist

Hey I just got a tweet from Sergey Romanov. Did he ever show up here after he went away for a bit?

Not that I’m aware of. Good to know he’s still kicking. Tell him we all miss him and hope all is OK in Putin’s Russia.

170 EPR-radar  Tue, May 14, 2013 2:59:13pm

re: #161 wrenchwench

I think Andrew Sullivan had to swim under the shark this time.

Sullivan should know better than to characterize the attacks on Richwine as based mostly on a premise of “no empirical evidence of IQ differences between broad racial categories”.

Richwine is being criticized mainly for the racist narrative and policies he proposed, and for his shoddy analysis of his data. Denial of the reality of test score differences is a relatively small part of the critiques I’ve seen.

171 Dr. Matt  Tue, May 14, 2013 2:59:56pm

ABC’s Benghazi ‘scoop’ was based on fabricated email

dailykos.com

thelead.blogs.cnn.com

Oooooops

172 Targetpractice  Tue, May 14, 2013 3:00:30pm

So the AP got a hold of the IG’s report on the whole IRS business before it’s set to be released. What does the IG blame the selective scrutiny on? “Ineffective management.”

173 engineer cat  Tue, May 14, 2013 3:01:37pm

re: #169 thedopefishlives

Not that I’m aware of. Good to know he’s still kicking. Tell him we all miss him and hope all is OK in Putin’s Russia.

i hope to be posting soon as correspondent from the austro-hungarian empire or perhaps the kingdom of prussia

174 Backwoods_Sleuth  Tue, May 14, 2013 3:03:20pm

Totally OT but, as a dog mom, I just love this:

Colorado Names ‘Shelter Dogs’ as Official State Pet

175 Targetpractice  Tue, May 14, 2013 3:03:36pm

And now the full report has been released:

READ: Full IG Report On IRS Targeting

Scribd Document
176 Charles Johnson  Tue, May 14, 2013 3:03:38pm
177 wrenchwench  Tue, May 14, 2013 3:04:08pm

re: #170 EPR-radar

Sullivan should know better than to characterize the attacks on Richwine as based mostly on a premise of “no empirical evidence of IQ differences between broad racial categories”.

Richwine is being criticized mainly for the racist narrative and policies he proposed, and for his shoddy analysis of his data. Denial of the reality of test score differences is a relatively small part of the critiques I’ve seen.

Sullivan admits defending a thesis he has not read. I don’t think he is capable of a cogent analysis even if he did read it, though.

178 Charles Johnson  Tue, May 14, 2013 3:04:11pm

re: #175 Targetpractice

You should put that up as a Page!

179 Stephen T.  Tue, May 14, 2013 3:05:47pm

re: #10 Targetpractice

I don’t agree with the following sentiment, but I’ll give it a go. An act of terror is a random act of violence that causes a great amount of fear in the community, but has no underlying political motive. A terrorist attack is a planned act of violence by a group or individual with the intention is to cause a great amount of fear in the community that has an underlying political motive, even if that motive may be lost on the targeted group.

So a guy shooting a bunch of people in a theater is an “act of terror”, whereas a guy mixing up some anthrax and sending it to media and politicians is an “act of terrorism.”

I’m not sure if my definitions match what the RWNJs are using.

180 Dr. Matt  Tue, May 14, 2013 3:06:01pm
181 blueraven  Tue, May 14, 2013 3:08:31pm

re: #121 Buck

I don’t think you are even trying to understand what the issue is.

Imagine if when the planes slammed into the World Trade Center, the Pentagon and that field in Pennsylvania, George Bush said that he didn’t know the cause, it was certainly terrifying but that it was probably just pilot error. For weeks, in order to make it seem like 9/11 was just a freak coincidence, instead of being open and honest, imagine if the Bush administration (despite knowing the truth) lied to the world. Making speech after speech that pilot error is not the federal government’s responsibility.

This is exactly what the Obama administration did, and continues to do.

Pilot error is now some idiotic youtube video (the maker of that video is still in jail). Despite the fact that today the President says that he knew it was terrorism immediately, he failed to correct his UN ambassador. Despite the fact that the President says that he knew it was terrorism immediately he failed to say so when asked the next day. Despite the fact that the President says that he knew it was terrorism immediately he expressed a different belief during a speech at the United Nations, on the TV show the View and on the late night show with David Letterman.

You might think that your answer can be both green and red when asked what colour the light was. However that doesn’t mean you have answered correctly when it turns out it was red.

Now you might ask “What difference does it make?”. Well, I answer, if it doesn’t make a difference then why lie?

To even try to compare the 9/11 attacks where planes were hijacked and flown into buildings, where over three thousand innocent civilians were killed in an obviously planned and coordinated terrorist attack in the USA, to an attack on a desolate consulate outpost in Libya where an ambassador and three special security were killed in a very foggy situation is so far beyond the pale, and so stunningly fucked up I don’t even know what to say.

182 Charles Johnson  Tue, May 14, 2013 3:09:36pm

re: #181 blueraven

Actually, it wasn’t even a consulate. We now know that it was the headquarters for some kind of CIA operation.

183 Dr. Matt  Tue, May 14, 2013 3:11:04pm

re: #179 Stephen T.

act of terror:
the calculated use of violence (or the threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear

terrorist attack:
a surprise attack involving the deliberate use of violence against civilians in the hope of attaining political or religious aims

terrorism:
The use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims

24 hours, 24 days, or 24 months after the incident and the president would still be correct using any of those terms.

184 GeneJockey  Tue, May 14, 2013 3:11:48pm

re: #182 Charles Johnson

Actually, it wasn’t even a consulate. We now know that it was the headquarters for some kind of CIA operation.

And IIRC, we know that because Republicans let that slip in a public hearing in their haste to whip up a scandal.

185 Targetpractice  Tue, May 14, 2013 3:11:59pm

re: #178 Charles Johnson

You should put that up as a Page!

Done.

On that note, time to watch a movie with the family. BBIAB

186 EPR-radar  Tue, May 14, 2013 3:12:36pm

re: #177 wrenchwench

Sullivan admits defending a thesis he has not read. I don’t think he is capable of a cogent analysis even if he did read it, though.

I think Sullivan is tilting at a windmill (i.e., the idea that criticism of Richwine is rooted in denial of the reality of test score differences among racial groups). I think this is a false view of the criticism of Richwine.

It isn’t necessary to read the Richwine thesis to make this particular argument.

Sullivan does say some very reasonable things about not using IQ test results for any kind of public policy.

So if Sullivan’s position is that the test score differences are real, but they can’t properly be used in any way in public policy, I pretty much agree with that.

187 blueraven  Tue, May 14, 2013 3:12:41pm

re: #182 Charles Johnson

Actually, it wasn’t even a consulate. We now know that it was the headquarters for some kind of CIA operation.

fixed

188 BigPapa  Tue, May 14, 2013 3:15:53pm

re: #182 Charles Johnson

Actually, it wasn’t even a consulate. We now know that it was the headquarters for some kind of CIA operation.

… in a country that recently disposed of a long term dictator with many elements still working for power…

189 EPR-radar  Tue, May 14, 2013 3:18:37pm

re: #179 Stephen T.

OK, I’ll play the straight man here. Of course the RWNJs aren’t using any consistent set of definitions here. They have so little to go on in Benghazi-gate that they are reduced to parsing presidential statements like severely obsessed neurotics listening to tapes being played backwards.

Had Obama said “terrorist attack” at first, the wingnuts would be bleating in unison now that “act of terror” would have been the only correct term to use.

190 BigPapa  Tue, May 14, 2013 3:19:32pm

re: #121 Buck

Your vapid douchery knows no bounds.

191 DisturbedEma  Tue, May 14, 2013 3:21:06pm

re: #190 BigPapa

What you said…

192 DisturbedEma  Tue, May 14, 2013 3:22:33pm

re: #181 blueraven

It’s a different sort of troofing…same shit different shitstorm…

193 wrenchwench  Tue, May 14, 2013 3:25:14pm

re: #186 EPR-radar

I think Sullivan is tilting at a windmill (i.e., the idea that criticism of Richwine is rooted in denial of the reality of test score differences among racial groups). I think this is a false view of the criticism of Richwine.

It isn’t necessary to read the Richwine thesis to make this particular argument.

Sullivan does say some very reasonable things about not using IQ test results for any kind of public policy.

So if Sullivan’s position is that the test score differences are real, but they can’t properly be used in any way in public policy, I pretty much agree with that.

Sullivan criticizes the whole idea of IQ, and the whole idea of race, then says Richwine should not be criticized for coming up with a thesis that assumes things about race and IQ that can’t be defended, because ‘his results [were] honestly discovered and analyzed.’

194 Stephen T.  Tue, May 14, 2013 3:25:56pm

re: #116 Bulworth

Glenn wanted PBO to say “The terrorist attack yesterday in Benghazi was a terrorist attack and we will hunt down and kill the terrorists who attacked us yesterday in Libya in that terrorist attack.”

Of course, if he had said that, the argument would be “He never called it a terror attack.”

195 BigPapa  Tue, May 14, 2013 3:28:19pm

The President lied after people died!

196 Varek Raith  Tue, May 14, 2013 3:29:07pm

*Breaks window*
Claims it was not an act of vandalism, merely vandalism.
*Gets off scot free.*

197 Varek Raith  Tue, May 14, 2013 3:31:14pm

So, the right has devolved solely to semantics about the difference between an act of terrorism and a terrorist attack.
Or…
Fuck it.

198 thedopefishlives  Tue, May 14, 2013 3:32:25pm

re: #197 Varek Raith

So, the right has devolved solely to semantics about the difference between an act of terrorism and a terrorist attack.
Or…
Fuck it.

Yeah, you know who else plays word games with semantics? Conspiracy theorists. No joke, the mainstream right wing is turning more and more into a pile of conspiraloons.

199 BongCrodny  Tue, May 14, 2013 3:32:39pm

re: #144 William Barnett-Lewis

So has he logged out yet? That’s his pattern - drop a load of fertilizer then run away.

I beg to differ.

Fertilizer is useful.

200 EPR-radar  Tue, May 14, 2013 3:33:07pm

re: #193 wrenchwench

Sullivan criticizes the whole idea of IQ, and the whole idea of race, then says Richwine should not be criticized for coming up with a thesis that assumes things about race and IQ that can’t be defended, because ‘his results [were] honestly discovered and analyzed.’

This is why Sullivan should have read the thesis before opining on it. Sullivan would have to be seriously inconsistent to defend the Richwine thesis and hold his stated positions on race, intelligence and the utility of IQ tests.

Richwine didn’t even gather the precious empirical data in question, if I understand it correctly. So the raw numbers come from the published literature, and Richwine’s ‘contribution’ consists entirely of a racist narrative supported (poorly) by other people results.

201 Vicious Babushka  Tue, May 14, 2013 3:33:14pm

re: #91 William Barnett-Lewis

{{{VB}}}

Which holiday starts tonight again? ISTR a couple day long one?

It is Shavuot, the Festival of Giving of the Torah.

It is traditional to eat dairy foods on this holiday, so I made a cheesecake and cheese blintzes. But since the days are so long, I made a roast too. Unlike Shabbos, cooking is permitted on the holiday but I like to prepare everything in advance and then just heat up what needs heating, because who wants to spend a holiday in the kitchen cooking up a storm?

Here is the menu (not served all at the same meal, but distributed over two days):

Home-baked challah

Baked gefilte fish
Broiled teriyaki salmon
Broiled lemon tarragon lake trout
Smoked whitefish

Chicken noodle soup
Gold tip roast, with Middle East dry rub of peppercorns, coriander, cumin, & chili powder

Cheese blintzes

Assorted salads (have not made yet)
Fresh fruit

Dessert (after dairy meal): cheesecake
ice cream

(after meat meal): Fresh fruit, fruit sorbet

Wine: Herzog Orange Muscat

202 klys  Tue, May 14, 2013 3:33:36pm

re: #199 BongCrodny

I beg to differ.

Fertilizer is useful.

All Buck accomplished for me was reminding me of things I generally prefer not to remember. Ass.

203 GeneJockey  Tue, May 14, 2013 3:37:32pm

re: #201 Vicious Babushka

You keep talking about home-baked challah, I’m going to blame you when I stop at the store for a loaf of Semifreddi’s Challah and eat the whole thing.

//

204 BigPapa  Tue, May 14, 2013 3:39:55pm

I really want an investigation into this IRS issue. I want to know who decided what to do and why they decided to do it.

Then people can be fired.

Then we can acknowledge that all these Tea Party groups are actually political and don’t warrant 501(c)3 tax status. Oh the horrors, they have to be shipped off to gulags pay tax.

205 BigPapa  Tue, May 14, 2013 3:41:32pm

Calling Ken Starr!

206 Mattand  Tue, May 14, 2013 3:43:42pm

re: #181 blueraven

To even try to compare the 9/11 attacks where planes were hijacked and flown into buildings, where over three thousand innocent civilians were killed in an obviously planned and coordinated terrorist attack in the USA, to an attack on a desolate consulate outpost in Libya where an ambassador and three special security were killed in a very foggy situation is so far beyond the pale, and so stunningly fucked up I don’t even know what to say.

That’s our Buck!

207 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, May 14, 2013 3:44:09pm

re: #201 Vicious Babushka

Sounds delightful. May you and yours have a great holiday.

208 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, May 14, 2013 3:45:02pm

Charles, I’m trying to upding VB’s menu post and nothing is happening.

Edit:
Reloaded the page and now it works.

209 Vicious Babushka  Tue, May 14, 2013 3:53:59pm

I’ll have to post some of the recipes.

211 Political Atheist  Tue, May 14, 2013 3:57:18pm

Have a fine evening folks, I have some modern era hunting and gathering to do.


Grocery shopping for dinner.

212 stabby  Tue, May 14, 2013 4:02:20pm

re: #177 wrenchwench

Sullivan admits defending a thesis he has not read. I don’t think he is capable of a cogent analysis even if he did read it, though.

The problem with being a pundit is that you’re expected to have opinions on boring subjects.

Andrew has found a shortcut, claim to have the opinion without all that boring reading.

213 A Mom Anon  Tue, May 14, 2013 4:02:43pm

re: #210 Kragar

So we just pray we don’t need a military?

Man, a psychiatrist could only have him as a patient and be busy for a couple of lifetimes.

Oh, and STFU Bryan.

214 Dr Lizardo  Tue, May 14, 2013 4:03:39pm

re: #55 BaronHaynes

Is there a German word for when a writer makes a tautological statement that disproves the argument they think they’re making, without realizing what they’ve done?

Eineaussagedieversehentlichtautologischwiderlegtdasargumentgemacht.

215 stabby  Tue, May 14, 2013 4:03:42pm

re: #195 BigPapa

The President lied after people died!

favorited

216 klys  Tue, May 14, 2013 4:04:39pm

re: #214 Dr Lizardo

Eineaussagedieversehentlichtautologischwiderlegtdasargumentgemacht.

Bless you.

217 DisturbedEma  Tue, May 14, 2013 4:07:39pm

re: #210 Kragar

Whoa…just wow

218 wrenchwench  Tue, May 14, 2013 4:18:10pm

re: #212 stabby

The problem with being a pundit is that you’re expected to have opinions on boring subjects.

Andrew has found a shortcut, claim to have the opinion without all that boring reading.

Which is the easiest way to reach a conclusion that matches all of one’s preconceived notions.

219 RadicalModerate  Tue, May 14, 2013 4:18:49pm

Glenn Kessler, Hard at work.

220 PT Barnum  Tue, May 14, 2013 4:27:42pm

re: #201 Vicious Babushka

It is Shavuot, the Festival of Giving of the Torah.

It is traditional to eat dairy foods on this holiday, so I made a cheesecake and cheese blintzes. But since the days are so long, I made a roast too. Unlike Shabbos, cooking is permitted on the holiday but I like to prepare everything in advance and then just heat up what needs heating, because who wants to spend a holiday in the kitchen cooking up a storm?

Here is the menu (not served all at the same meal, but distributed over two days):

Home-baked challah

Baked gefilte fish
Broiled teriyaki salmon
Broiled lemon tarragon lake trout
Smoked whitefish

Chicken noodle soup
Gold tip roast, with Middle East dry rub of peppercorns, coriander, cumin, & chili powder

Cheese blintzes

Assorted salads (have not made yet)
Fresh fruit

Dessert (after dairy meal): cheesecake
ice cream

(after meat meal): Fresh fruit, fruit sorbet

Wine: Herzog Orange Muscat

Where do you live? I’m inviting myself for dinner.

221 PT Barnum  Tue, May 14, 2013 4:28:08pm

If you were a Jewish Norwegian you could have lutegifeltefisk!

222 thedopefishlives  Tue, May 14, 2013 4:30:07pm

re: #221 PT Barnum

If you were a Jewish Norwegian you could have lutegifeltefisk!

Try as I might, I simply cannot bring myself to upding you for inventing such an abomination.

223 engineer cat  Tue, May 14, 2013 4:32:38pm

re: #221 PT Barnum

If you were a Jewish Norwegian you could have lutegifeltefisk!

i am now imagining a cookbook covering all the tortured fish preparations from around the world

kippers is next after gefilte and lute

224 engineer cat  Tue, May 14, 2013 4:34:30pm

i have to imagine that babushka’s baked gefilte fish is delicious

i do eat store bought cold gefilte fish, but only after neutralizing it with copious applications of horseradish

225 Lidane  Tue, May 14, 2013 4:40:21pm

Anyone have a spare irony meter? Mine just went ‘splodey:

226 Bubblehead II  Tue, May 14, 2013 4:41:28pm

Evening Lizards. The Pres. could say the Sky is blue, the Earth is round and yes, we went to the moon. He would still be accused being a lier.

This is who these people are. This is what they (sadly) believe.

Their hate of those who reside outside of tribe (tribe=white) is apparent.

Reject it. Speak out about it. And REJECT IT!

PUSH BACK!

End of Program. End od Line.

227 Dr Lizardo  Tue, May 14, 2013 4:41:36pm

re: #221 PT Barnum

If you were a Jewish Norwegian you could have lutegifeltefisk!

Image: sutherland_invasion_1978.jpg

228 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, May 14, 2013 4:42:13pm

I have one question to ask, are the proximal purpose of the attack and the ultimate purpose of the attack mutually exclusive?

229 bratwurst  Tue, May 14, 2013 4:42:25pm
230 Lidane  Tue, May 14, 2013 4:43:17pm

re: #201 Vicious Babushka

Here is the menu (not served all at the same meal, but distributed over two days):

Home-baked challah

Baked gefilte fish
Broiled teriyaki salmon
Broiled lemon tarragon lake trout
Smoked whitefish

Chicken noodle soup
Gold tip roast, with Middle East dry rub of peppercorns, coriander, cumin, & chili powder

Cheese blintzes

Assorted salads (have not made yet)
Fresh fruit

Dessert (after dairy meal): cheesecake
ice cream

(after meat meal): Fresh fruit, fruit sorbet

Wine: Herzog Orange Muscat

You’re the only person I know who could possibly get me to try gefilte fish. At least then, I’d know it was cooked with some skill.

Also, what time should I arrive for dinner? ;)

231 Stanghazi  Tue, May 14, 2013 4:43:24pm
232 thedopefishlives  Tue, May 14, 2013 4:45:35pm

re: #231 Stanghazi

No one can say us Minnesotans don’t have style.

233 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, May 14, 2013 4:48:00pm
234 engineer cat  Tue, May 14, 2013 4:50:29pm

re: #229 bratwurst

side effects of benghazi may include incoherence, obsession, occasional shoutyness, hoarseness of brain, press releases, and blog finger syndrome

235 A Mom Anon  Tue, May 14, 2013 5:03:16pm

Link

HEE. HEE. Benghazi….

236 Vicious Babushka  Tue, May 14, 2013 5:08:11pm

re: #230 Lidane

You’re the only person I know who could possibly get me to try gefilte fish. At least then, I’d know it was cooked with some skill.

Also, what time should I arrive for dinner? ;)

Well, it’s a two day holiday.

Here are some of my favorite salad recipes that you can try at home.

Here is my cheesecake recipe.

237 Vicious Babushka  Tue, May 14, 2013 5:08:29pm

Zedushka just took his sugar level, it is 125!

238 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, May 14, 2013 5:11:23pm

re: #237 Vicious Babushka

Zedushka just took his sugar level, it is 125!

Mine is usually around 80.

239 A Mom Anon  Tue, May 14, 2013 5:12:28pm

re: #237 Vicious Babushka

Now if he’ll just do what he has to do to keep it there. You’ve had quite the day, have a good holiday with your grandson. (I think you may have earned a little extra wine with dinner too)

240 Vicious Babushka  Tue, May 14, 2013 5:15:46pm

Oh I forgot to say, we are also having a special fun treat: frozen margaritas.

Maybe even the kid can enjoy. :)

Peace out.

241 lawhawk  Tue, May 14, 2013 5:31:53pm

re: #121 Buck

I’ve written about this before, but I’ll restate it for you again:

Bureaucratic infighting continues to exist, despite the fact that failures to share information can lead to tragic and devastating outcomes. It explains a lot, as does the fact that State developed multiple statements about the events in Benghazi.

Anyone want to go back and look at the statements from 9/11 in the minutes and hours and days after the attacks? It’s all there in the 9/11 Reports, but here’s the condensed version.

Planes get hijacked and air controllers are struggling to figure out what’s going on and where the planes are heading. They alert NEADS. Fighter jets are put on alert.

First media references? Local NYC media covering the NYC primary elections report explosion at WTC. They go on air indicating something internal or a plane crash. Not sure.

Minutes later? They go live with report it was a plane of some kind.

The WH is informed that a small plane has hit the WTC.

NSA Rice then revises to say a commercial plane has hit the WTC; that’s all they know.

Then the 2d plane hit.

Even after the 2d plane hit, speculation that this was some kind of tragic accident, but reporters begin realizing this is a terror attack.

Reports of a fire at the Pentagon. Later learn that it was the 3d hijacked plane.

4th hijacked plane later crashes at Shanksville PA after passengers move to retake cockpit to prevent further damage on the ground.

In the fog of war - and Benghazi was indeed a situation where the facts were indeterminate and subject to revision, getting information in a timely fashion is key, but so too is updating what is known or unknown. At the same time, you’re not going to want to broadcast information that might tip off those who were behind the attacks. That’s why information was added, then removed and edited.

It doesn’t show a conspiracy. It shows how a bureaucracy like the State Department works.


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