CBS Evening News: Republican Sources Caught Doctoring Emails

MSM now figuring this out but of course, Dr. Johnson was already on this trail a few days ago.
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SCOTT PELLEY: Also at his news conference today the president called for tighter security for U.S. diplomatic facilities to prevent an attack like the one in Benghazi, Libya, last year that killed U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans. Of course, Benghazi has become a political controversy. Republicans claim that the Administration watered down the facts in talking points that were given to U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice for television appearances while Mr. Obama was running for reelection. Republicans on Capitol Hill claim that they had found proof of this in White House e-mails that they leaked to reporters last week. Well, it turns out some of the quotes in those e-mails were wrong. Major Garrett is at the White House for us tonight. Major?

MAJOR GARRETT: Scott, Republicans have claimed that the State Department under Hillary Clinton was trying to protect itself from criticism. The White House released the real e-mails late yesterday and here’s what we found when we compared them to the quotes that had been provided by Republicans. One e-mail was written by Deputy National Security Advisor Ben Rhodes. On Friday, Republicans leaked what they said was a quote from Rhodes. “We must make sure that the talking points reflect all agency equities, including those of the State Department, and we don’t want to undermine the FBI investigation.” But it turns out, in the actual e-mail Rhodes did not mention the State Department. It read “We need to resolve this in a way that respects all the relevant equities, particularly the investigation.” Republicans also provided what they said was a quote from an e-mail written by State Department Spokesman Victoria Nuland. The Republican version notes Nuland discussing: “The penultimate point is a paragraph talking about all the previous warnings provided by the Agency (CIA) about al-Qaeda’s presence and activities of al-Qaeda.” The actual e-mail from Nuland says: the “…penultimate point could be abused by Members to beat the State Department for not paying attention to Agency warnings…” The C.I.A. agreed with the concerns raised by the State Department and revised the talking points to make them less specific than the C.I.A.’s original version, eliminating references to al-Qaeda and affiliates and earlier security warnings. There is no evidence, Scott, the White House orchestrated these changes.

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1 sauceruney  Thu, May 16, 2013 7:10:05pm

Can’t wait to see the outrageous outrage from being called out on this.

2 calochortus  Thu, May 16, 2013 7:10:32pm

Hmm, you’d think the Republicans would have been less eager to have the emails released under the circumstances.

3 jaunte  Thu, May 16, 2013 7:11:35pm

Will Jon Karl roll on his ‘source’?
mediaite.com

4 sauceruney  Thu, May 16, 2013 7:12:36pm

re: #2 calochortus

But the “Republicans” plural were probably all duped by a “Republican” singular, and are now paying the price.

5 Targetpractice  Thu, May 16, 2013 7:12:40pm

re: #2 calochortus

Hmm, you’d think the Republicans would have been less eager to have the emails released under the circumstances.

Remember, these are the guys who spent years going “Obama will never release his birth certificate,” then lo and hold he does it just to spite them.

6 EPR-radar  Thu, May 16, 2013 7:12:41pm

re: #2 calochortus

Hmm, you’d think the Republicans would have been less eager to have the emails released under the circumstances.

Perhaps the GOP reality distortion effect has reached the stage where they simply cannot see the difference between the actual emails and the GOP versions of these emails.

7 engineer cat  Thu, May 16, 2013 7:13:40pm

Fox Bonks Republicans With Their Own Lollypop

wingnuts fail to notice they’re licking on lies

8 calochortus  Thu, May 16, 2013 7:14:40pm

re: #4 sauceruney

But the “Republicans” plural were probably all duped by a “Republican” singular, and are now paying the price.

Then they’d best learn to do their own fact checking.

9 calochortus  Thu, May 16, 2013 7:15:37pm

re: #5 Targetpractice

Remember, these are the guys who spent years going “Obama will never release his birth certificate,” then lo and hold he does it just to spite them.

Yeah, but it wasn’t the real birth certificate now, was it?
/

10 Kragar  Thu, May 16, 2013 7:16:05pm

The real scandal is people still taking the GOP seriously.

11 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 16, 2013 7:16:35pm

re: #7 engineer cat

Fox Bonks Republicans With Their Own Lollypop

wingnuts fail to notice they’re licking on lies

They’ll react by claiming “FNC is part of the cover up!!1”.

12 Targetpractice  Thu, May 16, 2013 7:21:25pm

re: #6 EPR-radar

Perhaps the GOP reality distortion effect has reached the stage where they simply cannot see the difference between the actual emails and the GOP versions of these emails.

Nah, now they’re going with “Carney only said one or two revisions!”

13 jaunte  Thu, May 16, 2013 7:28:26pm
One day after The White House released 100 pages of Benghazi emails, a report has surfaced alleging that Republicans released a set with altered text.

CBS News reported Thursday that leaked versions sent out by the GOP last Friday had visible differences than Wednesday’s official batch. Two correspondences that were singled out in the report came from National Security Adviser Ben Rhodes and State Department Spokeswoman Victoria Nuland.huffingtonpost.com

Does anyone know yet who, specifically, leaked the altered emails? I can’t find it in the reporting.

cbsnews.com

14 jaunte  Thu, May 16, 2013 7:29:57pm

Boehner?

The GOPers had the story before ABC News. Boehner, though, did not demand public disclosure of the emails until after the ABC News report created new buzz about the emails and the talking points. Still, the public release of the emails—perhaps worthwhile in itself—might be moot, given that Boehner’s own investigators have already told us what the emails say.
motherjones.com

15 Romantic Heretic  Thu, May 16, 2013 7:30:32pm

I’m sooooo surprised! Surprised and shocked!


Not!

16 Stanghazi  Thu, May 16, 2013 7:31:41pm

Wow is right.

Sleazy.

17 FemNaziBitch  Thu, May 16, 2013 7:32:02pm

The play-by-play on this faux-scandal-du-jour is getting more and more contrived. I’ll wait for the made-for-tv movie.

18 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Thu, May 16, 2013 7:32:04pm

Hey, this is pretty scandalous.

19 FemNaziBitch  Thu, May 16, 2013 7:34:25pm

Feline Overlord discussions are so much better!

how many cats do you see?

20 FemNaziBitch  Thu, May 16, 2013 7:34:57pm

re: #18 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts

Hey, this is pretty scandalous.

I know truth is stranger than fiction, but . . .

21 erik_t  Thu, May 16, 2013 7:35:00pm

God damn them all.

I’m waiting for the MBF to show up. Just fucking waiting. Try me.

Turns out there is a big fucking scandal with regards to Benghazi, it’s just that it turns out Obama and his party have nothing to do with it.

ZOMG IMPEACH OBAMA FOR LYING TO THE PEOPLE said fucking all of them.

Damn. I need some calmness-gin.

22 PT Barnum  Thu, May 16, 2013 7:36:48pm

re: #21 erik_t

God damn them all.

I’m waiting for the MBF to show up. Just fucking waiting. Try me.

Turns out there is a big fucking scandal with regards to Benghazi, it’s just that it turns out Obama and his party have nothing to do with it.

ZOMG IMPEACH OBAMA FOR LYING TO THE PEOPLE said fucking all of them.

Damn. I need some calmness-gin.

Impeach Obama because we can’t find anything to impeach him over which must mean he has committed some secretly impeachable offense which we’ll impeach him over as soon as we can find it.

23 efuseakay  Thu, May 16, 2013 7:37:33pm

Boehner will demand jail for those responsible, right?

24 EPR-radar  Thu, May 16, 2013 7:37:59pm

re: #21 erik_t

All ‘information’ from GOP sources these days can reasonably be regarded as lies/disinformation until it is independently confirmed.

25 Joanne  Thu, May 16, 2013 7:38:32pm

re: #3 jaunte

Will Jon Karl roll on his source?
mediaite.com

Read the comments there. You could put a tape of events in front of these right wingers of the entire event from both sides of the ocean and they still wouldn’t believe it.

It’s really rather stunning.

26 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, May 16, 2013 7:38:56pm

re: #19 FemNaziBitch

Fifteen to sixteen.

New stills released, notable.

Please get rid of River, please get rid of River.

27 Targetpractice  Thu, May 16, 2013 7:39:21pm

re: #23 efuseakay

Boehner will demand jail for those responsible, right?

Unless it turns out it was his press secretary, in which case he’ll argue it as “poor note-taking” and deflect any calls for his resignation.

28 Amory Blaine  Thu, May 16, 2013 7:39:51pm

This info isn’t changing the talking points on my local news.

29 EPR-radar  Thu, May 16, 2013 7:41:06pm

re: #27 Targetpractice

Unless it turns out it was his press secretary, in which case he’ll argue it as “poor note-taking” and deflect any calls for his resignation.

The zone of IOKIYAR protection probably extends to any GOP apparatchik involved in twisting the emails. Calls for action from the GOP would only come if some non-GOP target can be identified.

30 calochortus  Thu, May 16, 2013 7:41:13pm

re: #25 Joanne

Confirmation bias is an amazing thing.

31 FemNaziBitch  Thu, May 16, 2013 7:41:41pm
32 PT Barnum  Thu, May 16, 2013 7:41:57pm

re: #25 Joanne

Read the comments there. You could put a tape of events in front of these right wingers of the entire event from both sides of the ocean and they still wouldn’t believe it.

It’s really rather stunning.

They reject everyone else’s reality unless it agrees with theirs, and since it never does, they feel persecuted.

33 Joanne  Thu, May 16, 2013 7:46:43pm

re: #30 calochortus

re: #32 PT Barnum

Honestly, I don’t get it. Is it inability to critically understand data presented or just refusal to do so? Are people hard wired to not accept new data? WTF??

34 EPR-radar  Thu, May 16, 2013 7:48:06pm

re: #33 Joanne

re: #32 PT Barnum

Honestly, I don’t get it. Is it inability to critically understand data presented or just refusal to do so? Are people hard wired to not accept new data? WTF??

IMO, it is refusal more often than inability. A zealot will simply reject facts that conflict with the chosen worldview.

35 jaunte  Thu, May 16, 2013 7:48:54pm
36 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, May 16, 2013 7:49:56pm

Meanwhile, in Britain:

Sci-fight! ‘Star Wars,’ ‘Doctor Who’ fans face off at convention

Sci-fi fans are generally fairly mild-mannered folk. But don’t get them angry. You wouldn’t like them when they’re angry. Unfortunately, there was lots of anger in Norwich, UK, over the weekend, when fans of “Doctor Who” and “Star Wars” squared off outside a convention — and yes, “the force” was called. The police force.

Pro-tip to Star Wars fans: In Britain, you will definitely lose. You are outnumbered the UK to 100.

37 FemNaziBitch  Thu, May 16, 2013 7:50:51pm

Gdammit!

a long time friend, usher at our wedding, was in a motorcycle accident and is in a drug-induced coma.

Got sober for a while, then decided he didn’t need meetings anymore and could drink.

I don’t know if he was under the influence or not, have a feeling he was.

damn shame

38 FemNaziBitch  Thu, May 16, 2013 7:51:45pm

re: #33 Joanne

re: #32 PT Barnum

Honestly, I don’t get it. Is it inability to critically understand data presented or just refusal to do so? Are people hard wired to not accept new data? WTF??

There are those who truly think we have not been to the moon.

I don’t get it either.

39 PT Barnum  Thu, May 16, 2013 7:56:44pm

re: #38 FemNaziBitch

There are those who truly think we have not been to the moon.

I don’t get it either.

When you’re told that you are the only sane person in the asylum, even if it’s by the other inmates, you will not be terribly inclined to accept anything or anyone that contradicts that sense of sanity.

40 dragonath  Thu, May 16, 2013 7:59:48pm

Saw a genuine “Impeach Clinton” bumper sticker on a traffic pole today.

Let’s do the time warp again!

41 Mich-again  Thu, May 16, 2013 7:59:51pm

CBS should use a headline something like this..

GOP leaders would Rather not say who doctored Benghazi e-mails.

42 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, May 16, 2013 8:01:07pm

re: #3 jaunte

Will Jon Karl roll on his ‘source’?
mediaite.com

Will Jon Karl be fired like Dan Rather?

43 Single-handed sailor  Thu, May 16, 2013 8:01:28pm

re: #8 calochortus

Then they’d best learn to do their own fact checking.

Isn’t that Reagan’s Golden Rule? Never fact-check another Republican.

44 FemNaziBitch  Thu, May 16, 2013 8:01:53pm

re: #39 PT Barnum

When you’re told that you are the only sane person in the asylum, even if it’s by the other inmates, you will not be terribly inclined to accept anything or anyone that contradicts that sense of sanity.

Yes, I guess when you surround yourself by, listen and talk only to the choir, other viewpoints just don’t appear on the radar.

45 EPR-radar  Thu, May 16, 2013 8:02:11pm

re: #38 FemNaziBitch

There are those who truly think we have not been to the moon.

I don’t get it either.

That one is particularly hard to understand, since there is no apparent answer to the “who benefits from this nonsense” question.

In most cases of total nonsense (e.g., tobacco institute, climate change denial, political creationism), it is clear that propaganda from interested parties is pretty much a complete explanation for its prevalence.

46 jaunte  Thu, May 16, 2013 8:03:46pm

Meanwhile…

Russia, one of the few remaining friends of Bashar al-Assad’s regime, just sent the Syrian government some advanced antiship missiles.

Russia has also sent at least a dozen warships to patrol near the country’s naval base in Syria…
theatlanticwire.com

47 Single-handed sailor  Thu, May 16, 2013 8:04:38pm

re: #24 EPR-radar

All ‘information’ from GOP sources these days can reasonably be regarded as lies/disinformation until it is independently confirmed.

I’ve had that philosophy since 1969. It has never failed me yet.

48 dragonath  Thu, May 16, 2013 8:05:37pm

re: #46 jaunte

I guess among certain parties, the Great Game never ended.

49 FemNaziBitch  Thu, May 16, 2013 8:06:26pm

re: #46 jaunte

Meanwhile…

I was sitting in class the other night, listing to social worker advocate talk about her long (35 year) career and all that went into her work and I thought: “We expend so much of our resources because men (generally) will not behave.”

Then I thought, why have we let “them” get away with it for so long.

Present company, I think you understand where I am coming from.

50 FemNaziBitch  Thu, May 16, 2013 8:09:41pm
51 EPR-radar  Thu, May 16, 2013 8:11:23pm

re: #43 Single-handed sailor

Isn’t that Reagan’s Golden Rule? Never fact-check another Republican.

I’ll play. The original for this is apparently “Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican”.

Since fact checking a Republican is likely to catch a lie, it is perfectly reasonable (per GOP Benghazi rules of engagement) to change this to

“Thou shalt not fact check a fellow Republican”, and pass the modified version off as the original.

The GOP has no basis on which to object to this change, if the Benghazi nonsense is still to be defended.

52 darthstar  Thu, May 16, 2013 8:12:31pm

Nice to hear the media finally admitting that Republicans are lying cocksuckers and can’t be trusted.

53 FemNaziBitch  Thu, May 16, 2013 8:12:53pm

re: #51 EPR-radar

I’ll play. The original for this is apparently “Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican”.

Since fact checking a Republican is likely to catch a lie, it is perfectly reasonable (per GOP Benghazi rules of engagement) to change this to

“Thou shalt not fact check a fellow Republican”, and pass the modified version off as the original.

The GOP has no basis on which to object to this change, if the Benghazi nonsense is still to be defended.

tribalism?

54 EPR-radar  Thu, May 16, 2013 8:13:36pm

re: #53 FemNaziBitch

tribalism?

Touche. I should have said “no rational basis”.

IOKIYAR always applies.

55 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Thu, May 16, 2013 8:16:12pm

re: #22 PT Barnum

Impeach Obama because we can’t find anything to impeach him over which must mean he has committed some secretly impeachable offense which we’ll impeach him over as soon as we can find it.

I recently watched a documentary (whose title completely eludes me at the moment) which featured an interview with one of the Great Minds of Neo-Conservatism conducted during the Cold War. These brainiacs (who included Wolfowitz, Cheney, and the usual gang of idiots) had convinced themselves that the Soviets had a particularly threatening new weapon about to be deployed. The CIA and a long list of other intelligence sources told them that there was no evidence for the existence of any such thing. And of course, they took the complete lack of evidence corroborating their suspicion to be PROOF that their suspicion was right, because fuck rational logic.

56 EPR-radar  Thu, May 16, 2013 8:17:43pm

re: #52 darthstar

Nice to hear the media finally admitting that Republicans are lying cocksuckers and can’t be trusted.

Cocksucker really shouldn’t be used as an insult.

57 FemNaziBitch  Thu, May 16, 2013 8:18:43pm

re: #56 EPR-radar

Cocksucker really shouldn’t be used as an insult.

You know, you are right.

good call

58 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 16, 2013 8:19:14pm
59 Joanne  Thu, May 16, 2013 8:19:19pm

What’s NOT in the Inspector General’s IRS report.

bradblog.com

60 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 16, 2013 8:19:24pm

re: #36 ProTARDISLiberal

Meanwhile, in Britain:

Sci-fight! ‘Star Wars,’ ‘Doctor Who’ fans face off at convention

Pro-tip to Star Wars fans: In Britain, you will definitely lose. You are outnumbered the UK to 100.

Numbers matter not to those strong in the Force.

/Stay on Target!

61 EPR-radar  Thu, May 16, 2013 8:20:40pm

re: #55 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

This is, of course, completely consistent with all movement conservatism policy prescriptions for at least 30 years —- logic, rationality, and reality are all irrelevant.

62 BigPapa  Thu, May 16, 2013 8:21:34pm
BuzzFeed took a big bump of pure Koch! Feels good!

Jussa lee-oh bump.

63 jaunte  Thu, May 16, 2013 8:23:02pm
5. Ben Smith promoted Charles Koch’s political essays: Buzzbagger Ben promoted an essay by Charles Koch, in which the billionaire discusses his favorite President, Calvin Coolidge. He told Politico readers to check out “a brief essay by Charles Koch on the Depression, crystallizing the version of that era that’s become current in some conservative circles: Hoover did too much, FDR way too much, and Coolidge was just right.” Fact is, Coolidge was one of the worst presidents in U.S. history, largely because his pro-business policies helped destroy the American economy and brought on the Great Depression. Koch Industries tweeted out Ben’s article: “@Koch_Industries: Check out @BenPolitico and his link to Charles Koch’s column about best US Presidents.” Buzzbagger Ben quickly retweeted the Koch Industries’ tweet. It was Koch RT heaven!

So that’s where Dad got all the Coolidge talk.

64 darthstar  Thu, May 16, 2013 8:23:37pm

re: #56 EPR-radar

Cocksucker really shouldn’t be used as an insult.

Insult? When it comes to Reublicans it’s a fucking term of endearment!

65 jaunte  Thu, May 16, 2013 8:24:08pm
66 dragonath  Thu, May 16, 2013 8:25:56pm

re: #58 Charles Johnson

BuzzBagger Ben

Ah, Cheez. I’ve been noticing this for a little while now, but it seems as if almost every “liberal” site (Wonkette, Taegan Goddard’s Political Wire, and occasionally, TPM) have sponsored links from something like NewsMax.

67 jamesfirecat  Thu, May 16, 2013 8:26:08pm

re: #63 jaunte

So that’s where Dad got all the Coolidge talk.

Hoover did too much? Is today Opposite Day? It must be because nobody told me which on Opposite Day is like everybody telling me!

68 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 16, 2013 8:26:09pm
69 FemNaziBitch  Thu, May 16, 2013 8:26:16pm

re: #58 Charles Johnson

BuzzBagger Ben

What is with the “dispatch unlocked” stuff?

Interesting find.

70 Single-handed sailor  Thu, May 16, 2013 8:26:25pm

re: #56 EPR-radar

Cocksucker really shouldn’t be used as an insult.

A good cocksucker (of your preferred sexual orientation) is hard to find.

71 calochortus  Thu, May 16, 2013 8:26:43pm

re: #65 jaunte

Freepers are really, really doing some pearl clutching over this.

72 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, May 16, 2013 8:27:03pm

re: #60 Dark_Falcon

Still hoping they send River down the river in this episode.

That character reminds me of people who claimed to be loyal friends, and left me as I floundered.

73 darthstar  Thu, May 16, 2013 8:28:12pm

re: #58 Charles Johnson

BuzzBagger Ben

Wow…that’s pretty brilliant on the part of the Koch brothers…take over a site that used to ridicule Bush and manipulate the content in subtle ways to further your own agenda…pretty impressive.

74 jaunte  Thu, May 16, 2013 8:28:25pm

re: #71 calochortus

They’re insane. I understand why the Marines don’t want their people running around under umbrellas, but holding one for the Commander in Chief just seems like good manners.

75 EPR-radar  Thu, May 16, 2013 8:29:30pm

re: #64 darthstar

Insult? When it comes to Reublicans it’s a fucking term of endearment!

To be specific, that usage is rather too close to f****t for comfort.

There are any number of ways to heap abuse on Republicans that do not involve going there.

76 Gus  Thu, May 16, 2013 8:29:53pm

re: #65 jaunte

817 comments. They’ve lost their minds.

77 darthstar  Thu, May 16, 2013 8:30:04pm

Falcon’s in da house! Down-dinging my posts! I know, DF…I used cock and sucker in the same word…oddly discomforting, isn’t it?

78 Joanne  Thu, May 16, 2013 8:30:24pm

re: #55 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

It must be a total bitch to be a pussy assed wimpy motherfucker who’s petrified to take their next breath. That’s a neo-con. Scared shitless and making US policy based on their own paralyzing fear.

79 calochortus  Thu, May 16, 2013 8:30:47pm

re: #74 jaunte

They’re insane. I understand why the Marines don’t want their people running around under umbrellas, but holding one for the Commander in Chief just seems like good manners.

And not uncommon, I gather. If you’re out walking around, sure, hold your own. But if you’re giving a speech, or say, have a foreign head of state standing next to you in the rain, it only makes sense. He couldn’t really have had a Marine hold an umbrella over Erdogan and not have had one himself.

80 efuseakay  Thu, May 16, 2013 8:31:38pm

Republicans are the Amy Bouzaglo of politics.

81 dragonath  Thu, May 16, 2013 8:31:59pm

re: #76 Gus

817 comments. They’ve lost their minds.

Hey, it’s the Daily Caller. I once found an article there making fun of the Decemberists for being a bunch of NPR loving liberal socialists.

Like that was an insult or something, I guess.

82 prairiefire  Thu, May 16, 2013 8:32:06pm

re: #19 FemNaziBitch

Feline Overlord discussions are so much better!

how many cats do you see?

15.

83 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, May 16, 2013 8:32:08pm

re: #69 FemNaziBitch

Man, Ben Smith is a sleazeball.

I am curious though. What do you all think of another person in that story, Michelle Rhee?

84 EPR-radar  Thu, May 16, 2013 8:32:37pm

re: #63 jaunte

So that’s where Dad got all the Coolidge talk.

I remember the ‘Coolidge was the best president ever (because he did nothing)’ BS as a RW talking point for a week or two in the 2012 campaign. It would be interesting if this particular Koch propaganda operation was the root cause of this.

85 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 16, 2013 8:32:55pm

re: #63 jaunte

So that’s where Dad got all the Coolidge talk.

I’ve seen talk of Coolidge on National Review’s website recently, coupled with a review of a new biography of the man. It hasn’t gone as “Hoover did too much”, though, since NR has never hewed to that view. There’s a good deal of “FDR did too much”, although it is made clear that some of what FDR did in increasing the size of government really wasn’t too much.

I guess it comes down to if the magazine or website hosts genuine historical debate, or if its a place where dissent gets chased off by The Swarm. A telltale is that the former will always have at least a partial defense of FDR.

86 jaunte  Thu, May 16, 2013 8:34:01pm

Daily Caller comment:

dave mcfarland • an hour ago

Is it a strange coincidence that the Prime Minister of Turkey is a muslim?
Do you think Obama meant to diss a marine by holding an umbrella for a muslim prime minister?

Yeah, it’s a strange coincidence that a mostly Muslim nation has a Muslim official.

87 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 16, 2013 8:35:32pm

re: #81 dragonath

Hey, it’s the Daily Caller. I once found an article there making fun of the Decemberists for being a bunch of NPR loving liberal socialists.

Like that was an insult or something, I guess.

Lame. On an interesting side note, I heard Colin Meloy and his older sister interviewed on NPR one day. Seemed like nice and down to earth people. I really enjoy his music too. His older sister’s a writer.

88 darthstar  Thu, May 16, 2013 8:35:40pm

re: #80 efuseakay

Republicans are the Amy Bouzaglo of politics.

Now THAT’S pretty low.

89 EPR-radar  Thu, May 16, 2013 8:36:10pm

re: #73 darthstar

Wow…that’s pretty brilliant on the part of the Koch brothers…take over a site that used to ridicule Bush and manipulate the content in subtle ways to further your own agenda…pretty impressive.

The total cost of this propaganda operation for a year is probably less than an hour’s income for the Koch brothers.

91 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 16, 2013 8:39:33pm

Some Decemberists for anyone wants to check out their sound.
92 Romantic Heretic  Thu, May 16, 2013 8:41:01pm

re: #80 efuseakay

Republicans are the Amy Bouzaglo of politics.

They do tend towards histrionic narcissism, don’t they?

93 EPR-radar  Thu, May 16, 2013 8:41:22pm

re: #68 Dark_Falcon

I used to play a fair amount of chess, and that novelty set is commendable (and somewhat unusual, for a novelty set) for having pieces that are reasonably easy to tell apart.

94 FemNaziBitch  Thu, May 16, 2013 8:41:47pm

re: #83 ProTARDISLiberal

Man, Ben Smith is a sleazeball.

I am curious though. What do you all think of another person in that story, Michelle Rhee?

Honestly, neither of them are ringing a bell.

95 dragonath  Thu, May 16, 2013 8:41:48pm

I seem to recall the somewhat besmirched (& National Review contributor) Conrad Black was one of the few conservatives who realized the positive effect of FDR.

I wouldn’t mind seeing a Hoover vs Coolidge topic.

96 EPR-radar  Thu, May 16, 2013 8:44:01pm

re: #95 dragonath

I seem to recall the somewhat besmirched (& National Review contributor) Conrad Black was one of the few conservatives who realized the positive effect of FDR.

I wouldn’t mind seeing a Hoover vs Coolidge topic.

With respect to Conrad Black, it takes rare talent to self-compensate yourself in such a way in the US as to actually run afoul of the law.

97 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 16, 2013 8:44:12pm

re: #95 dragonath

I seem to recall the somewhat besmirched (& National Review contributor) Conrad Black was one of the few conservatives who realized the positive effect of FDR.

I wouldn’t mind seeing a Hoover vs Coolidge topic.

Yes, he is. Conrad Black has in fact written a very-much pro-FDR biography titled FDR: Champion of Freedom.

98 dragonath  Thu, May 16, 2013 8:44:37pm

re: #87 HappyWarrior

Heh, the Decemberists drive me a little nuts, but evidentially they drive some people more nuts than others.

99 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, May 16, 2013 8:45:00pm

re: #94 FemNaziBitch

I’ve heard of Rhee as a result of her efforts to reform the DC public schools, and possible corruption.

Any from the DC metro have a more informed opinion? Your thoughts would be appreciated.

100 Amory Blaine  Thu, May 16, 2013 8:45:18pm

re: #66 dragonath

Yep. “This secret billionaire knows the US is to imminently collapse” and other nonsense.

101 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 16, 2013 8:45:44pm

re: #98 dragonath

Heh, the Decemberists drive me a little nuts, but evidentially they drive some people more nuts than others.

Yeah yikes.

102 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 16, 2013 8:46:19pm

re: #100 Amory Blaine

Yep. “This secret billionaire knows the US is to imminently collapse” and other nonsense.”

Yep. Complete BS.

103 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 16, 2013 8:46:52pm

re: #99 ProTARDISLiberal

I’ve heard of Rhee as a result of her efforts to reform the DC public schools, and possible corruption.

Any from the DC metro have a more informed opinion? Your thoughts would be appreciated.

I really don’t know really since I’ve never taught before and have never been in the DC school system. I know she wasn’t that popular with the teachers or more specifically the teachers’ union.

104 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 16, 2013 8:48:27pm

re: #97 Dark_Falcon

Yes, he is. Conrad Black has in fact written a very-much pro-FDR biography titled FDR: Champion of Freedom.

I haven’t read that one but I read H.W Brands: Traitor To His Class. I don’t know what Brands’ politics are but I thought he was fair to FDR.

105 klys and whatnot  Thu, May 16, 2013 8:49:32pm

Last night’s Mythbusters episode is totally relevant to all CA Lizards.

And if my luck is anything to go by, all the East Coast Lizards as well. Seeing how they’ve had more earthquakes than the West Coast since I moved out here.

106 Joanne  Thu, May 16, 2013 8:50:39pm

re: #83 ProTARDISLiberal

Man, Ben Smith is a sleazeball.

I am curious though. What do you all think of another person in that story, Michelle Rhee?

Ben Smith was a putz at Politico. No shocka there.

Rhee is interesting. I’ve heard her speak and the words sound great. Her results in DC were far below stellar and, IIRC, severely overstated.

I don’t think too highly of her. Saying the right words sans results is too much like talking the talk without taking that first step.

107 EPR-radar  Thu, May 16, 2013 8:50:53pm

re: #97 Dark_Falcon

Yes, he is. Conrad Black has in fact written a very-much pro-FDR biography titled FDR: Champion of Freedom.

For some time now, I’ve thought that conservatives should like FDR much more than they usually do. A case can be made that FDR did a nearly minimal amount of market meddling, given the Great Depression and the possibility of extremist solutions in the US from both the left and the right if vigorous actions weren’t taken to try and make the existing system work better.

A second term for Hoover doesn’t really bear thinking about as an alternate history scenario.

108 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 16, 2013 8:51:00pm

The LulzBot TAZ 3D Printer. Now you can print out your own children’s toys, game miniatures, and AR-15 lower receivers.

Thoughts, folks?

109 EPR-radar  Thu, May 16, 2013 8:52:36pm

re: #105 klys

Last night’s Mythbusters episode is totally relevant to all CA Lizards.

And if my luck is anything to go by, all the East Coast Lizards as well. Seeing how they’ve had more earthquakes than the West Coast since I moved out here.

With the exception of the New Madrid fault, there is pretty much no seismic threat in the US east.

110 efuseakay  Thu, May 16, 2013 8:53:15pm

re: #88 darthstar

And absolutely true.

111 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 16, 2013 8:53:22pm

re: #107 EPR-radar

For some time now, I’ve thought that conservatives should like FDR much more than they usually do. A case can be made that FDR did a nearly minimal amount of market meddling, given the Great Depression and the possibility of extremist solutions in the US from both the left and the right if vigorous actions weren’t taken to try and make the existing system work better.

A second term for Hoover doesn’t really bear thinking about as an alternate history scenario.

I maintain that in measures like the National Recovery Act FDR went over the line, and the Supreme Court was right to strike that law down. But other things he did, such as the FDIC and Social Security, were needed programs that solved very real problems.

112 FemNaziBitch  Thu, May 16, 2013 8:55:16pm

re: #108 Dark_Falcon

The LulzBot TAZ 3D Printer. Now you can print out your own children’s toys, game miniatures, and AR-15 lower receivers.

Thoughts, folks?

Can’t stop the future.

I think it’s telling that one of the first products from this new technology available is a firearm.

Sad

113 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, May 16, 2013 8:55:39pm

re: #106 Joanne

I saw her advocating for the Privatization of Schooling, which is a really bad idea in so many ways.

Of course, with me being a Social Democrat, I have a believe there should be a number of things that are state-owned & controlled. Utilities & Schools for example, among others.

I should note, many Social Democratic Parties belong to Socialist International. So, in a real way, I am a Socialist.

114 klys and whatnot  Thu, May 16, 2013 8:55:56pm

re: #109 EPR-radar

With the exception of the New Madrid fault, there is pretty much no seismic threat in the US east.

Mineral, VA begs to differ.

Plus since it’s all solid bedrock it tends to propogate farther.

Really, I just have shitty luck when it comes exciting nature phenomena.*

* Note: I am not advocating for more natural disasters. I would be perfectly happy with actual weather on the West Coast.

115 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 16, 2013 8:56:43pm

re: #112 FemNaziBitch

Can’t stop the future.

I think it’s telling that one of the first products from this new technology available is a firearm.

Sad

Not really one of the first, but one of the most visible.

116 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 16, 2013 8:56:55pm

re: #107 EPR-radar

For some time now, I’ve thought that conservatives should like FDR much more than they usually do. A case can be made that FDR did a nearly minimal amount of market meddling, given the Great Depression and the possibility of extremist solutions in the US from both the left and the right if vigorous actions weren’t taken to try and make the existing system work better.

A second term for Hoover doesn’t really bear thinking about as an alternate history scenario.

I remember reading a book about failed third party candidates and the writer talked with the one guy who I think ran on the Prohibitionist line in 1980. He had a problem with Reagan because even Reagan at that time expressed some admiration for FDR. Honestly, while FDR had his faults, I think he should be appreciated. If not only for how he handled The Depression but for his leadership during WWII. I am glad that FDR allowed Pearl Harbor to happen conspiracy theories have pretty much disappeared but they were part of the Bircher right for years.

117 dragonath  Thu, May 16, 2013 8:59:27pm

re: #111 Dark_Falcon

Next town over has a post office and a public park courtesy of the WPA. It’s sad to see some of the nice work they did elsewhere start to disintegrate.

118 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 16, 2013 8:59:39pm

re: #113 ProTARDISLiberal

I saw her advocating for the Privatization of Schooling, which is a really bad idea in so many ways.

Of course, with me being a Social Democrat, I have a believe there should be a number of things that are state-owned & controlled. Utilities & Schools for example, among others.

I should note, many Social Democratic Parties belong to Socialist International. So, in a real way, I am a Socialist.

The other problem with that is with the poverty that exists in D.C, a big percentage of the population would not be able to afford said schools. The focus IMO should be on improving D.C’s existing public schools. And I agree with Joanne that merely saying things doesn’t solve anything. It’s my opinion that a strong public school system is good for the country as a whole because it fosters mobility.

119 darthstar  Thu, May 16, 2013 8:59:41pm

re: #108 Dark_Falcon

Making an AK from a shovel. Suck it, 3D printed AR lower. Suck it hard.
Fuck plastic. If you want a gun, you’ll get one.

120 EPR-radar  Thu, May 16, 2013 9:00:07pm

re: #111 Dark_Falcon

I maintain that in measures like the National Recovery Act FDR went over the line, and the Supreme Court was right to strike that law down. But other things he did, such as the FDIC and Social Security, were needed programs that solved very real problems.

In addition to New Deal policy details, about which reasonable people can disagree, there was the simple fact that the FDR administration was trying to do something about the Great Depression. The Hoover administration was apparently so bound by its ideology of non-interference with markets that doing anything visible at all was simply not an option.

IMO, a second term for Hoover would have set the stage for a home-grown revolution in the US, with disastrous results all around.

121 klys and whatnot  Thu, May 16, 2013 9:01:38pm

re: #119 darthstar

Making an AK from a shovel. Suck it, 3D printed AR lower. Suck it hard.
Fuck plastic. If you want a gun, you’ll get one.

I suggest that the barrier of effort required has served a deterrent that may be lost with this method. Your mileage may vary.

I am expressing no opinion in this discussion either way. Just merely want to point out that these are not exactly equivalent in terms of effort.

122 Amory Blaine  Thu, May 16, 2013 9:01:50pm

re: #108 Dark_Falcon

The LulzBot TAZ 3D Printer. Now you can print out your own children’s toys, game miniatures, and AR-15 lower receivers.

Thoughts, folks?

I think if I was going to buy one, I would go with one of the originals like the Makerbot. At least they have a track record with a solid following, forum and support.

123 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, May 16, 2013 9:02:56pm

re: #120 EPR-radar

Although, we did have this.

A real big reason to have very stringent regulations, and a progressive tax system.

124 dragonath  Thu, May 16, 2013 9:03:21pm

re: #119 darthstar

Making an AK from a shovel. Suck it, 3D printed AR lower. Suck it hard.
Fuck plastic. If you want a gun, you’ll get one.

First Commenter:

THOSE THAT BEAT THEIR FIREARMS INTO PLOWS WILL PLOW FOR THOSE THAT DID NOT! SUCK IT LIBTARDS!

Where’s Vicious Babushka when you need her?

125 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 16, 2013 9:03:45pm

re: #120 EPR-radar

In addition to New Deal policy details, about which reasonable people can disagree, there was the simple fact that the FDR administration was trying to do something about the Great Depression. The Hoover administration was apparently so bound by its ideology of non-interference with markets that doing anything visible at all was simply not an option.

IMO, a second term for Hoover would have set the stage for a home-grown revolution in the US, with disastrous results all around.

What’s amazing about Hoover in specific is that he actually was a Progressive but he had as you say was bound by ideology to have a non-interference approach. It’s a good thing in the end that Coolidge did not want a full second term because he would have been worse than Hoover IMO. Coolidge, I think from the little I know about him and Hoover both I feel would have been more bound by ideology. i really don’t like seeing Coolidge’s reputation being revised because frankly he doesn’t deserve it. It’s not just the hands of approach to the economy that bugs me but also the fact that he signed xenophobic legislation that targeted my ancestors and what a lot of conservative admirers of his ignore is that his administration was a little protectionist too though it was not him that signed the infamous Smoot-Hawley tariff.

126 EPR-radar  Thu, May 16, 2013 9:04:54pm

re: #114 klys

Mineral, VA begs to differ.

Plus since it’s all solid bedrock it tends to propogate farther.

Really, I just have shitty luck when it comes exciting nature phenomena.*

* Note: I am not advocating for more natural disasters. I would be perfectly happy with actual weather on the West Coast.

I still remember the photo of the single tipped lawn chair with the “never forget” caption. Basically, under 6.0 isn’t much of a threat, unless one is terribly unlucky.

New Madrid could put a 7.0 or 8.0 in bedrock that rings like a bell, which really doesn’t bear thinking about.

127 Mich-again  Thu, May 16, 2013 9:05:03pm

re: #108 Dark_Falcon

The LulzBot TAZ 3D Printer. Now you can print out your own children’s toys, game miniatures, and AR-15 lower receivers.

Thoughts, folks?

The NRA made sure Congress granted immunity to gun manufacturers so they would not be held liable for gun deaths. But that immunity does not apply to the makers of 3D printers. I have worked with 3D printed prototype parts before and they have been brittle and break under shear stress. So eventually, some poor sap will end up getting killed when a 3D printed plastic gun fails. And when that happens I bet there will be a huge lawsuit against the company that made the 3D printer.

Unless of course Congress acts quickly and grants immunity to the 3D printer companies. Do you think we will see that anytime soon?

128 Joanne  Thu, May 16, 2013 9:08:57pm

re: #113 ProTARDISLiberal

I’m completely against that. She didn’t speak a word about that, just teaching methodologies. I’m sure the crowd on either show(Daily Show and Colbert) wouldn’t have been receptive at all.

Again, her words sounded good. But words are just words.

129 EPR-radar  Thu, May 16, 2013 9:09:30pm

re: #125 HappyWarrior

What’s amazing about Hoover in specific is that he actually was a Progressive but he had as you say was bound by ideology to have a non-interference approach. It’s a good thing in the end that Coolidge did not want a full second term because he would have been worse than Hoover IMO. Coolidge, I think from the little I know about him and Hoover both I feel would have been more bound by ideology. i really don’t like seeing Coolidge’s reputation being revised because frankly he doesn’t deserve it. It’s not just the hands of approach to the economy that bugs me but also the fact that he signed xenophobic legislation that targeted my ancestors and what a lot of conservative admirers of his ignore is that his administration was a little protectionist too though it was not him that signed the infamous Smoot-Hawley tariff.

Hoover was a very capable person in everything except the presidency. The work he did in Europe after WWI was remarkable, by all accounts.

130 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 16, 2013 9:10:34pm

re: #124 dragonath

First Commenter:

Where’s Vicious Babushka when you need her?

Go easy on guns.com. Some of their commentators are loons, but the articles themselves are sane and informative. And not always things that reflect well on the pro-gun community:

How scrupulous are gun dealers in the Dallas/Fort Worth area when it comes to potential straw purchasers?

Answer: not very, if we are to accept the findings of a local news affiliate’s ‘I-team’ report, which following an undercover investigation found that almost half of the gun shops tested were willing to sell a firearm to someone who indicated he/she was not the actual buyer and that he/she might be selling it to someone who could not pass a criminal background check.

he CBS 11 I-Team, consisting of Investigative Journalist Mireya Villarreal and her photographer Mike Lozano, went to a total of 11 gun stores and pawn shops and at each store “would handle the gun to make sure the clerk knew exactly who’d be using it once we walked out.”

After talking with the clerk, one of the two would intimate that he/she may not be able to pass a background check and then ask if the other could purchase the gun instead, which is the essence of a straw purchase.

At six of the locations, the clerk behind the counter told the I-Team to get lost. However, at five of the stores — Cash America Pawn Shop in North Dallas, A Action Pawn Shop in Irving, Cheaper Than Dirt Outdoor Adventures in Fort Worth, Uncle Dan’s Pawn Shop in Dallas, Doc Holiday’s Pawn Shop in Fort Worth — the clerk agreed to sell the gun.

Pajamas Media would never have published this piece, but guns.com publishes the story instead of engaging in denialism. And their last paragraph is spot-on:

So, the answer is not creating new laws but enforcing the existing laws that are already on the books and holding unscrupulous gun store owners and clerks accountable. To that latter point, while it’s possible that these were isolated incidents that misrepresent the vast majority of gun dealers and pawn shops, at least in the Dallas/Fort Worth area, it’s also possible that this is indicative of a larger trend. Whatever the case may be, the gun community should not take this report lightly. This feckless behavior makes us all look bad and is exactly the type of thing that gun control advocates pounce on and use to push for tougher and more restrictive gun laws.

131 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 16, 2013 9:11:44pm

re: #129 EPR-radar

Hoover was a very capable person in everything except the presidency. The work he did in Europe after WWI was remarkable, by all accounts.

That’s my opinion as well. He had never held a position higher than commerce secretary by the time he was elected president. Since then, we’ve elected governors, generals, senators, and vice presidents but never anyone outside of that. I’m of the thought that Hoover wasn’t a bad or malicious man but one who was in the wrong place at the wrong time and just not cut out for the job. And you’re right his work in Europe during WWI was amazing. He also did amazing work in Russia during the Russian Civil War. One of my classmates did their term paper on that subject matter.

133 Joanne  Thu, May 16, 2013 9:12:53pm

re: #118 HappyWarrior

The other problem with that is with the poverty that exists in D.C, a big percentage of the population would not be able to afford said schools. The focus IMO should be on improving D.C’s existing public schools. And I agree with Joanne that merely saying things doesn’t solve anything. It’s my opinion that a strong public school system is good for the country as a whole because it fosters mobility.

Exactly. We’ll become third world in short time without the vast educational system we have. Flaws and all, everyone needs an educational foundation to have a shot at any upward mobility.

134 klys and whatnot  Thu, May 16, 2013 9:13:00pm

re: #126 EPR-radar

I still remember the photo of the single tipped lawn chair with the “never forget” caption. Basically, under 6.0 isn’t much of a threat, unless one is terribly unlucky.

New Madrid could put a 7.0 or 8.0 in bedrock that rings like a bell, which really doesn’t bear thinking about.

I’m in a geology department. :) It was posted on a door, along with an e-mail from a colleague thanking folks for thinking of them in their hour of need.

That being said, the construction on much of the East Coast is not up to West Coast earthquake standards, so it’s worth keeping in mind that smaller earthquake can have a disproportionate impact.

135 dragonath  Thu, May 16, 2013 9:13:23pm

re: #125 HappyWarrior

Wiki:

Although Coolidge was personally opposed to Prohibition, he vetoed a bill in May 1920 that would have allowed the sale of beer or wine of 2.75% alcohol or less, in Massachusetts in violation of the Eighteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution. “Opinions and instructions do not outmatch the Constitution,” he said in his veto message, “Against it, they are void.”

Ruh, roh. The nullification crowd is gonna have to find a new heartthrob.

136 Lidane  Thu, May 16, 2013 9:13:32pm

Damn it. I just fixed my irony meter after McConnell blew it up telling POTUS not to stonewall:

137 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 16, 2013 9:14:12pm

re: #129 EPR-radar

Hoover was a very capable person in everything except the presidency. The work he did in Europe after WWI was remarkable, by all accounts.

Indeed. Many Holocaust survivors and others enslaved by the Nazis survived the aftermath of WWII due to Herbert Hoover’s masterful coordination of the relief effort.

Hoover wasn’t able to inspire as FDR could (and as the president needs to be able to do). But he wasn’t a bad man, and given the sort of organizational task that Harry Truman gave him he was able to excel.

Different people are good at different things.

138 klys and whatnot  Thu, May 16, 2013 9:14:14pm

Hey Dark, I added my thoughts for your folks in SF. Don’t know what kind of transportation they’ll have, so I didn’t limit to just the SF area. :)

139 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 16, 2013 9:15:38pm

re: #133 Joanne

Exactly. We’ll become third world in short time without the vast educational system we have. Flaws and all, everyone needs an educational foundation to have a shot at any upward mobility.

And that’s what the voucher proponents don’t get IMO. We became a powerful country by having a strong public school system. You get rid of that, you weaken upward mobility and you need a system of upward mobility to be both a strong democracy and economically strong too. A system that favors private schools doesn’t do that. I don’t advocate the abolition of private schooling obviously but the system needs to favor public schools and that includes tons of public funding.

140 dragonath  Thu, May 16, 2013 9:15:45pm

re: #137 Dark_Falcon

Truman seems to have been on very good terms with Hoover. He has hardly a bad word to say about him in his memoirs.

Coolidge didn’t really fare so well.

141 prairiefire  Thu, May 16, 2013 9:15:50pm

Big sale on Animatronics at Spirit Halloween ~spirithalloween.com

142 CarleeCork  Thu, May 16, 2013 9:16:00pm

re: #136 Lidane

Damn it. I just fixed my irony meter after McConnell blew it up telling POTUS not to stonewall:

What is the going price for a soul?

143 goddamnedfrank  Thu, May 16, 2013 9:16:19pm

re: #127 Mich-again

The NRA made sure Congress granted immunity to gun manufacturers so they would not be held liable for gun deaths. But that immunity does not apply to the makers of 3D printers. I have worked with 3D printed prototype parts before and they have been brittle and break under shear stress. So eventually, some poor sap will end up getting killed when a 3D printed plastic gun fails. And when that happens I bet there will be a huge lawsuit against the company that made the 3D printer.

By this logic Grizzly and other equipment manufacturers could be sued for making gunsmithing lathes and mills. Product liability lies with the function of the product itself, unless some defect inherent to the printer causes it to explode or harm people during normal use the manufacturers of the printers can’t be held liable for what end users choose to do or make with them.

144 darthstar  Thu, May 16, 2013 9:16:20pm

re: #124 dragonath

First Commenter:

Where’s Vicious Babushka when you need her?

Oh, hell…I don’t think they actually made an AK out of a shovel…it’s the same jerk-off gun masturbation site that DF linked…I found it when I looked at his link. They’re just trying to inspire home-made guns for the revolution to come.

145 FemNaziBitch  Thu, May 16, 2013 9:16:44pm

With all the reading I’ve lately in the history category, it seems to be that we needed FDR to handle Churchill. Just an impression I’ve been forming.

146 dragonath  Thu, May 16, 2013 9:17:42pm

re: #130 Dark_Falcon

As it should be. Unfortunately, I think the single issue nature of the website is kind of a blind spot in and of itself. Most of the readership, and the NRA, would probably be content to eliminate any restrictions on gun sales.

147 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 16, 2013 9:18:45pm

re: #140 dragonath

Truman seems to have been on very good terms with Hoover. He has hardly a bad word to say about him in his memoirs.

Coolidge didn’t really fare so well.

Truman actually reached out to him and Hoover apparently appreciated that because FDR never had. I don’t think Truman personally knew either Coolidge or Harding but there’s just something about Calvin Coolidge that I just can’t like. I have read that despite his stoic image, he was deveasated by losing his son and that may have effected how his presidency but I am just not a fan of his though I obviously feel sympathy for him for having lost a son.

148 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 16, 2013 9:18:52pm

re: #127 Mich-again

The NRA made sure Congress granted immunity to gun manufacturers so they would not be held liable for gun deaths. But that immunity does not apply to the makers of 3D printers. I have worked with 3D printed prototype parts before and they have been brittle and break under shear stress. So eventually, some poor sap will end up getting killed when a 3D printed plastic gun fails. And when that happens I bet there will be a huge lawsuit against the company that made the 3D printer.

Unless of course Congress acts quickly and grants immunity to the 3D printer companies. Do you think we will see that anytime soon?

The Protection of Lawful Commerce in Firearms Act (PLCFA) does not prevent product liability lawsuits based on conventional theories of product defect. Thus if the lawsuit alleged that the failure of a poorly made 3D printed part caused a firearm to misfire resulting in damages and/or death the PLCFA would not block the suit.

149 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 16, 2013 9:20:21pm

re: #145 FemNaziBitch

With all the reading I’ve lately in the history category, it seems to be that we needed FDR to handle Churchill. Just an impression I’ve been forming.

You’d be right about that but one can also argue that we needed Churchill. FDR and Chamberlain wouldn’t have worked and neither would have Chamberlain and Willkie/Dewey. Sometimes personal relationships matter a great deal in international relations and FDR and Churchill had a solid one as it gets.

150 darthstar  Thu, May 16, 2013 9:20:38pm

re: #138 klys

Hey Dark, I added my thoughts for your folks in SF. Don’t know what kind of transportation they’ll have, so I didn’t limit to just the SF area. :)

Dark’s parents are coming to the city? There’s tons of public transit. Tell them to go to the nearest BART station or Walgreens and buy a Clipper Card (it’s an RFID card for riding public transit—buses, trains, etc.) If they’re here for three or four days, $30 each will cover them for all their transit needs. Cabs are also reasonable (the city’s only 7x7 miles, so the most you’ll pay for a ride across town is about $20 or so). Tell them not to buy crack in the Tenderloin…bad area…they could end up paying for soap…or worse. Far better to go to Golden Gate park and buy dope from the hippies there…it’s good weed, and they have other shit if your parents need it.

151 klys and whatnot  Thu, May 16, 2013 9:20:51pm

Holy shit, watched their approximation of the SF quake.

I am so glad the house has been through Loma Prieta. I can at least rest easy here, knowing that there aren’t really any bookshelves, etc., capable of hitting us in the master bedroom. The rest of the time, we’ll hopefully have time to get to cover.

That being said, his office is built on fill. :/

152 klys and whatnot  Thu, May 16, 2013 9:21:33pm

re: #150 darthstar

He’s got a thread here, which I will pimp for him. Add stuff there for his folks to see. :)

153 FemNaziBitch  Thu, May 16, 2013 9:21:48pm

re: #148 Dark_Falcon

The Protection of Lawful Commerce in Firearms Act (PLCFA) does not prevent product liability lawsuits based on conventional theories of product defect. Thus if the lawsuit alleged that the failure of a poorly made 3D printed part caused a firearm to misfire resulting in damages and/or death the PLCFA would not block the suit.

yes, regular product liability applies, like with any other product (negligence, malfunction etc). People were trying to get the courts to hold gun manufacturers responsible for the actions of the gun owner/user.

It wouldn’t have been a good precedent to set.

154 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 16, 2013 9:22:07pm

re: #138 klys

Hey Dark, I added my thoughts for your folks in SF. Don’t know what kind of transportation they’ll have, so I didn’t limit to just the SF area. :)

Thank you much for that.

155 Joanne  Thu, May 16, 2013 9:22:19pm

re: #139 HappyWarrior

What the monied interests want is a few top notch people and a slew of plebs who’ll be happy just to have any job, me they won’t be able to leave. This is a poorly educated, willing to work at immigrant wages, won’t rock the boat and be damned thankful for what crumbs they have.

We have a short-sighted problem here. What drives the economy is disposable income. The same disposable income mist job creators don’t want to give (it cuts into profits). You can’t grow when people can’t spend. And that’s a full stop. Period. Do not pass Go, do not collect $200. No disposable income, no economic growth.

156 Bear  Thu, May 16, 2013 9:22:49pm

FYI you might check out ” De Re Metallica” translated by President Hoover and his Wife. De Re Metallica was one of the first books printed.

157 klys and whatnot  Thu, May 16, 2013 9:23:16pm

re: #154 Dark_Falcon

Thank you much for that.

I moved out here knowing absolutely nothing 6 years ago and while I don’t think the Bay Area is my ultimate home, I still have a special place in my heart for it. :) Happy to share it with folks.

Gah, I forgot to add Alcatraz. Off to do another post.

158 FemNaziBitch  Thu, May 16, 2013 9:23:16pm

re: #149 HappyWarrior

You’d be right about that but one can also argue that we needed Churchill. FDR and Chamberlain wouldn’t have worked and neither would have Chamberlain and Willkie/Dewey. Sometimes personal relationships matter a great deal in international relations and FDR and Churchill had a solid one as it gets.

Seems Churchill was a bulldog and still very much an imperalist. I shudder to think how the world might have looked if Nixon or Reagan had been POTUS after the wars.

The west fucked it up enough as it was.

159 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 16, 2013 9:24:47pm

re: #150 darthstar

Dark’s parents are coming to the city? There’s tons of public transit. Tell them to go to the nearest BART station or Walgreens and buy a Clipper Card (it’s an RFID card for riding public transit—buses, trains, etc.) If they’re here for three or four days, $30 each will cover them for all their transit needs. Cabs are also reasonable (the city’s only 7x7 miles, so the most you’ll pay for a ride across town is about $20 or so). Tell them not to buy crack in the Tenderloin…bad area…they could end up paying for soap…or worse. Far better to go to Golden Gate park and buy dope from the hippies there…it’s good weed, and they have other shit if your parents need it.

Please remove the drugs part and post the transportation part as a comment here. I think they’ll mostly be driving, but my dad might find the bus and train info useful.

160 LWNJ  Thu, May 16, 2013 9:25:32pm

re: #157 klys

I moved out here knowing absolutely nothing 6 years ago and while I don’t think the Bay Area is my ultimate home, I still have a special place in my heart for it. :) Happy to share it with folks.

Gah, I forgot to add Alcatraz. Off to do another post.

Not to worry, I mentioned it. :)

161 Cheechako  Thu, May 16, 2013 9:25:34pm

I’m somewhat late to the conversation about the emails but have one point I’d like to make. I think the Presidents staff made a fantastic dump on the Republicans. Once the WH saw the “leaked” emails they knew the Republicans had done some creative editing. I mean how many times have you heard someone use the word penultimate. Easy search word. So, they let the dumb ass Republicans crow about all the evil they found, let the pot stir a little bit, and then release the real emails.

Mission Accomplished!

Score: WH 1 and Republicans 0

162 EPR-radar  Thu, May 16, 2013 9:26:26pm

re: #132 ProTARDISLiberal

This city would like to talk to you about 6.0s.

6.0s are capable of local devastation. However, east of the Continental Divide, the geography is different enough that it is not so local.

It looks like the Christchurch 6.3 (2x worse than a 6.0) was also made worse by lingering damage from a previous 7.1.

You map is of an 1895 event in the New Madrid zone.

The main inaccuracy in my claim that 6.0s tend to be relatively harmless is actually that I’d assumed US type building codes. They can take a terrible toll in places with other kinds of buildings (e.g., heavy tile roofs on flimsy walls).

163 dragonath  Thu, May 16, 2013 9:26:40pm

re: #158 FemNaziBitch

Seems Churchill was a bulldog and still very much an imperalist. I shudder to think how the world might have looked if Nixon or Reagan had been POTUS after the wars.

The west fucked it up enough as it was.

Chirchill had moments of brilliance when he was focused. Luckily for us, his finest moments came when the stakes were higher than mere imperialism.

164 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 16, 2013 9:26:48pm

re: #158 FemNaziBitch

Seems Churchill was a bulldog and still very much an imperalist. I shudder to think how the world might have looked if Nixon or Reagan had been POTUS after the wars.

The west fucked it up enough as it was.

or even Truman/Eisenhower. I actually prefer Truman over FDR but if I give brownie points to FDR on one thing, it’s that he saw how bad imperialism was.

165 Tigger2  Thu, May 16, 2013 9:27:34pm

re: #5 Targetpractice

Remember, these are the guys who spent years going “Obama will never release his birth certificate,” then lo and hold he does it just to spite them.

He always seems to give them just enough rope to hang themselves on their own stupidity.

166 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 16, 2013 9:28:15pm

re: #152 klys

He’s got a thread here, which I will pimp for him. Add stuff there for his folks to see. :)

Added my thoughts. Beautiful city. Just went there last year. May be going back for a day or two en route to visit my brother once he gets settled in with his fiance in Eureka. That’ll be a long drive but if it’s anything like SF- Santa Cruz was, it’s gonna be a pretty one.

167 FemNaziBitch  Thu, May 16, 2013 9:28:35pm

re: #155 Joanne

What the monied interests want is a few top notch people and a slew of plebs who’ll be happy just to have any job, me they won’t be able to leave. This is a poorly educated, willing to work at immigrant wages, won’t rock the boat and be damned thankful for what crumbs they have.

We have a short-sighted problem here. What drives the economy is disposable income. The same disposable income mist job creators don’t want to give (it cuts into profits). You can’t grow when people can’t spend. And that’s a full stop. Period. Do not pass Go, do not collect $200. No disposable income, no economic growth.

Yeah, I think we need to rethink the whole “growth” concept. We are growing ourselves into poverty, crime, ignorance and drug addiction.

Somehow we are going to have to find a way for the system to value the non-paid work that is the most important. Parenting, volunteering, elder caregiving, etc.

It is the person-to-person work that makes the “economic growth” worth while.

168 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 16, 2013 9:29:34pm

re: #163 dragonath

Chirchill had moments of brilliance when he was focused. Luckily for us, his finest moments came when the stakes were higher than mere imperialism.

Indeed. I admire Churchill for his WWII leadership but am not that huge on him overall but he was the right leader for the Brits during WWII.

169 darthstar  Thu, May 16, 2013 9:29:44pm

re: #159 Dark_Falcon

Please remove the drugs part and post the transportation part as a comment here. I think they’ll mostly be driving, but my dad might find the bus and train info useful.

Sorry…didn’t realize they were private about it. ;) Just kidding…can’t wait to meet your mom. If they’re driving, they should go south down Highway 1 to Half Moon Bay…it’s only a 20 minute drive, the coast is beautiful, and there are plenty of great places to eat and the harbor is lovely this time of year.

170 goddamnedfrank  Thu, May 16, 2013 9:29:52pm

re: #148 Dark_Falcon

The Protection of Lawful Commerce in Firearms Act (PLCFA) does not prevent product liability lawsuits based on conventional theories of product defect. Thus if the lawsuit alleged that the failure of a poorly made 3D printed part caused a firearm to misfire resulting in damages and/or death the PLCFA would not block the suit.

In any event one of the major current uses for 3D printers is in creating wax like structures for use in investment casting. Jewelers, conventional manufacturers and dental implant makers are all using the technology as a step in the creation of metal parts with complex geometries. Depending on the metals to be melted investment casting parts of this size is well within the grasp of any hobbyist assuming they approach the project with with a modicum of patience.

171 Jocko's Rocket Ship  Thu, May 16, 2013 9:30:24pm

Did anyone else hear the greatly uncomfortable Rummy interview on Marketplace/NPR tonight? The normally affable Kyl was affable in kind of busting Rummy’s balls about pimping his book after his role in the failed wars. Like why wasn’t there anything in his book about rules of life that explained his failed decisions under Bush, and where was his McNamara-like apology about the war. Rummy flatly deflected but seemed surprised and pissed.

172 klys and whatnot  Thu, May 16, 2013 9:30:26pm

re: #160 LWNJ

Not to worry, I mentioned it. :)

I remembered another one or two things and so added my own update. But info is all for the better!

If they were coming down to San Jose and they enjoyed a bar or two, I could recommend so many places. But SF is a rarer trip for us. Seeing how we live down by SJ. :)

Ok, minorly starting to worry. Dear hubby, you know why I am obsessive about it…

173 klys and whatnot  Thu, May 16, 2013 9:31:08pm

re: #166 HappyWarrior

Added my thoughts. Beautiful city. Just went there last year. May be going back for a day or two en route to visit my brother once he gets settled in with his fiance in Eureka. That’ll be a long drive but if it’s anything like SF- Santa Cruz was, it’s gonna be a pretty one.

If you head this way, let me know! I am happy to have visitors, assuming we are in town. :)

CA has some absolutely gorgeous areas.

174 klys and whatnot  Thu, May 16, 2013 9:31:44pm

re: #169 darthstar

Sorry…didn’t realize they were private about it. ;) Just kidding…can’t wait to meet your mom. If they’re driving, they should go south down Highway 1 to Half Moon Bay…it’s only a 20 minute drive, the coast is beautiful, and there are plenty of great places to eat and the harbor is lovely this time of year.

Or even better, Half Moon Bay to Pescadero!

Such a pretty, pretty drive.

175 goddamnedfrank  Thu, May 16, 2013 9:32:15pm

re: #151 klys

Holy shit, watched their approximation of the SF quake.

I am so glad the house has been through Loma Prieta. I can at least rest easy here, knowing that there aren’t really any bookshelves, etc., capable of hitting us in the master bedroom. The rest of the time, we’ll hopefully have time to get to cover.

That being said, his office is built on fill. :/

I rode out the Nisqually quake on the top floor of an unreinforced brick building built in 1906. Could see waves move through the flooring.

176 dragonath  Thu, May 16, 2013 9:32:24pm

re: #164 HappyWarrior

It’s amazing how brutal contemporary accounts are of Truman when he succeeded Roosevelt. Truman was extremely impressive, I think, because he was the closest thing to a normal, intelligent person, in the best sense, to occupy the White House.

He was alleged to have read all the books in his local library and was very much self educated.

177 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 16, 2013 9:32:31pm

re: #173 klys

If you head this way, let me know! I am happy to have visitors, assuming we are in town. :)

CA has some absolutely gorgeous areas.

Sounds good.

178 Joanne  Thu, May 16, 2013 9:32:34pm

re: #161 Cheechako

I was thinking along those lines myself. Let out the line, let it out a little more, and some more…then BAM! Snap it and reel her on in.

Maybe that 11 dimensional chess stuff.

179 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 16, 2013 9:34:19pm

re: #176 dragonath

It’s amazing how brutal contemporary accounts are of Truman when he succeeded Roosevelt. Truman was extremely impressive, I think, because he was the closest thing to a normal. intelligent person, in the best sense, to occupy the White House.

He was alleged to have read all the books in his local library and was very much self educated.

Last president we had that did not have a college degree but he was very intelligent. I think the contemparies were tough on him because here he was not even a few months into the vice presidency. Sure he had been senator for ten years before then but a World War was going on. Truman’s one of my favorites though. I admire his moral courage taking on racial discrimination big time and while it may not be a popular in some liberal quarters, I think he made the difficult but in the right decision on the bomb.

180 Joanne  Thu, May 16, 2013 9:34:31pm

re: #167 FemNaziBitch

While I agree with you completely, short of a complete financial meltdown, its not going to happen. Money is both king and god.

181 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 16, 2013 9:35:59pm

re: #176 dragonath

It’s amazing how brutal contemporary accounts are of Truman when he succeeded Roosevelt. Truman was extremely impressive, I think, because he was the closest thing to a normal. intelligent person, in the best sense, to occupy the White House.

He was alleged to have read all the books in his local library and was very much self educated.

The problem was that he seemed too ordinary to a press corps that had become accustomed to the grandeur of Franklin D. Roosevelt. FDR, like his distant cousin Theodore, was very much a larger than life character, against which the life-sized Truman was seen as small and plain.

I’m stating the view, not defending it.

182 darthstar  Thu, May 16, 2013 9:36:28pm

re: #174 klys

Or even better, Half Moon Bay to Pescadero!

Such a pretty, pretty drive.

But when you live here it’s just, “There’s that fucking ocean again…looking all beautiful and shit…fuck yeah…life is good.”

183 FemNaziBitch  Thu, May 16, 2013 9:36:52pm

re: #180 Joanne

While I agree with you completely, short of a complete financial meltdown, its not going to happen. Money is both king and god.

The next couple of decades are certainly going to be interesting.

184 dragonath  Thu, May 16, 2013 9:37:23pm

re: #167 FemNaziBitch

You know, I always wondered how distorted the economic figures are in America because a lot of the services in the US are frankly things that people do by themselves in other parts of the world.

185 klys and whatnot  Thu, May 16, 2013 9:37:28pm

re: #175 goddamnedfrank

I rode out the Nisqually quake on the top floor of an unreinforced brick building built in 1906. Could see waves move through the flooring.

My first quake was on the fifth floor of an apartment high-rise on campus, about two months after I moved out. My subconscious processed it as being on a train, until I realized I was sitting at my desktop.

I don’t mind the stuff in the 4-5 range. Enough you feel it, not so much as to do substantial damage to a wide range of buildings, and lets off at least a little energy.

We’ve only had one of those (the aforementioned one) since I moved out here. That’s the worrying part.

186 klys and whatnot  Thu, May 16, 2013 9:38:30pm

re: #182 darthstar

But when you live here it’s just, “There’s that fucking ocean again…looking all beautiful and shit…fuck yeah…life is good.”

We just hook up the trailer and drive over for an evening when the temperatures get too hot.

And I curse our microclimate.

187 Bear  Thu, May 16, 2013 9:38:53pm

re: #179 HappyWarrior

Pres Truman “saved my a**” authorizing dropping the Bomb. Was in one of the four Divisions scheduled to hit the beach in Japan.

188 FemNaziBitch  Thu, May 16, 2013 9:38:57pm

re: #184 dragonath

You know, I always wondered how distorted the economic figures are in America because a lot of the services in the US are frankly things that people do by themselves in other parts of the world.

We are the greatest country in the world!

wingnut rhetoric that allows some to ignore reality.

189 darthstar  Thu, May 16, 2013 9:39:22pm

Okay…bed time…play nice, everyone.

190 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 16, 2013 9:40:30pm

re: #187 Bear

Pres Truman “saved my a**” authorizing dropping the Bomb. Was in one of the four Divisions scheduled to hit the beach in Japan.

Thank you for your service. My grandfather whom was in Korea always said that he appreciated Truman for firing MacArthur before MacArthur could have made the Korean War bigger than it was.

191 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 16, 2013 9:42:54pm

re: #188 FemNaziBitch

wingnut rhetoric that allows some to ignore reality.

It’s not even that. It’s “We’re the greatest country in the world and talk of improving it is unpatriotic.” To me, the biggest patriot one can be is one who sees the best as having yet to come in his country. That’s part of why I can’t recognize Coolidge as a great leader too by the way. Where as some conservatives may see in him, one who did not upset the status quo, I see a man who was president during a prosperous time and didn’t take advantage of that. It’s like the Bernard Shaw quote that RFK was fond of paraphrasing- Some men see things as they are and ask why, I dream of things that never were and say why not. That to me is the biggest fundamental difference surface wise to me between progressivism/liberalism and conservatism and why I think it’s a shame that in many quarters liberal’s a bad word.

192 AlexRogan  Thu, May 16, 2013 9:43:21pm

re: #109 EPR-radar

With the exception of the New Madrid fault, there is pretty much no seismic threat in the US east.

Tell that to the folks in the DC area after that earthquake they had a couple of years ago that damaged the National Cathedral.

193 efuseakay  Thu, May 16, 2013 9:48:11pm

re: #119 darthstar

Making an AK from a shovel. Suck it, 3D printed AR lower. Suck it hard.
Fuck plastic. If you want a gun, you’ll get one.

Heh. I’ve had Glocks and XDms. Even a Walther PPQ. I thought plastic guns were great, until I got my hands on a CZ 75B.

194 Single-handed sailor  Thu, May 16, 2013 9:51:52pm

re: #132 ProTARDISLiberal

This city would like to talk to you about 6.0s.

6.0s are capable of local devastation. However, east of the Continental Divide, the geography is different enough that it is not so local.

That’s why I love California over-regulation of building codes. 6.0s cause devastation in areas without earthquake code compliant structures. My house was at the epicenter of a 5.9 quake. I lost 1/3 of the water in 4 60g aquariums but the house held up fine, even the brick fireplace. that said, I would not want to own a brick house or one on land that was prone to liquefaction near New Madrid. That fault scares me more than the San Andreas, and I close to that.

195 Gus  Thu, May 16, 2013 9:54:19pm

Yikes. Some comments at Daily Caller. Some? Make that lots. The place is crawling with lunatics.

196 Gus  Thu, May 16, 2013 9:54:59pm
ratizbad • 5 hours ago

The IRS Scandal will put Hussein in prison or Dust…. Definition: Dust in homes, offices, and other human environments contains small amounts of plant pollen, human and animal hairs, textile fibers, paper fibers, minerals from outdoor soil, human skin cells, burnt meteorite particles and many other materials which may be found in the local environment. And the WH where the Hussein presides now..

197 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 16, 2013 9:58:04pm

re: #196 Gus

When threats to “pound Hussein to dust” were directed at Saddam Hussein I didn’t mind them. These unhinged threats aimed at Barack Obama make me sick.

198 Amory Blaine  Thu, May 16, 2013 10:05:10pm

Chrome is a worse memory hog than firefox. Yeesh.

199 Gus  Thu, May 16, 2013 10:06:10pm

re: #197 Dark_Falcon

When threats to “pound Hussein to dust” were directed at Saddam Hussein I didn’t mind them. These unhinged threats aimed at Barack Obama make me sick.

Is that what that it is? A lot of them are in there barking at the moon. Same old bologna about tyranny, Soviet Union, KGB, Marxist… one idiot calls it “Pan Leninism.” WTF is “Pan Leninism?” Another comments, “it will all be over when Soros dies.” Could you imagine being in that state of mind?

200 dragonath  Thu, May 16, 2013 10:10:56pm

re: #199 Gus

I’ll take a Personal Pan Leninism with tomatoes and extra red pepper, please!

201 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 16, 2013 10:11:37pm

re: #199 Gus

Is that what that it is? A lot of them are in there barking at the moon. Same old bologna about tyranny, Soviet Union, KGB, Marxist… one idiot calls it “Pan Leninism.” WTF is “Pan Leninism?” Another comments, “it will all be over when Soros dies.” Could you imagine being in that state of mind?

Not fully. I understand how that kind of hate can be built up, though, and I work hard to make sure it does not do so in my mind.

202 FemNaziBitch  Thu, May 16, 2013 10:12:36pm

nytol!

203 Lidane  Thu, May 16, 2013 10:16:20pm

Speaking of unhinged:

204 Gus  Thu, May 16, 2013 10:18:37pm

re: #203 Lidane

Speaking of unhinged:

Again?

205 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 16, 2013 10:18:44pm

re: #203 Lidane

Speaking of unhinged:

Larry Pratt: The guy who the NRA thinks is bark-at-the-moon nuts. A song for Mr. Pratt:

206 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 16, 2013 10:22:37pm

re: #203 Lidane

Speaking of unhinged:

Some communist.

207 Mattand  Thu, May 16, 2013 10:24:02pm

re: #205 Dark_Falcon

Larry Pratt: The guy who the NRA thinks is bark-at-the-moon nuts. A song for Mr. Pratt:

[Embedded content]

LOL, just found out about these guys in December. The group that thinks the NRA are too liberal.

Oy.

208 KiTA  Thu, May 16, 2013 10:29:00pm

This may just be the end of the Benghazi scandal. Fortunately, there are two new scandals — the DOJ and AP thing and the IRS and Tea Party thing.

I’m pretty sure the DOJ and AP thing isn’t a real scandal — the AP is ran by a GOP wingnut nowadays, and they were transparent about it.

The IRS and Tea Party, well, the only scandal is that the IRS managed to somehow NOT notice that the Tea Party groups were political front organizations.

209 Mattand  Thu, May 16, 2013 10:37:40pm

re: #208 KiTA

This may just be the end of the Benghazi scandal. Fortunately, there are two new scandals — the DOJ and AP thing and the IRS and Tea Party thing.

I’m pretty sure the DOJ and AP thing isn’t a real scandal — the AP is ran by a GOP wingnut nowadays, and they were transparent about it.

The IRS and Tea Party, well, the only scandal is that the IRS managed to somehow NOT notice that the Tea Party groups were political front organizations.

Regarding the IRS/TP thing, Lawhawk expounded on this the other day. According to him, this is a real problem. I’m no fan of the Baggers, but LH is a one smart raptor.

I don’t know if it’s a scandal, but it needs to be dealt with in a forceful manner.

210 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, May 16, 2013 10:42:00pm

re: #209 Mattand

Regarding the IRS/TP thing, Lawhawk expounded on this the other day. According to him, this is a real problem. I’m no fan of the Baggers, but LH is a one smart raptor.

I don’t know if it’s a scandal, but it needs to be dealt with in a forceful manner.

Whatever else it is, it is a can of worms: too many people out there do not believe the IRS has any business taking our hard-earned money to give away to welfare slackers, which is how they understand the functioning of our government and the tax system.

This scandal is only going to make their job harder. It is difficult enough given the fact that their entire information infrastructure is outdated and they are understaffed while at the same time coping with an impossibly complex tax code that is skewered to disproprtionately benefit the upper end of the income curve.

211 freetoken  Thu, May 16, 2013 10:51:00pm

re: #210 Sol Berdinowitz

For those of us who don’t believe in the labyrinthian scheme of “deductions” and the nature of the tax system that has evolved around this concept, the answer is easy: Simply do away with the entire category in our tax laws.

Problem solved.

212 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 16, 2013 11:00:32pm

re: #209 Mattand

Regarding the IRS/TP thing, Lawhawk expounded on this the other day. According to him, this is a real problem. I’m no fan of the Baggers, but LH is a one smart raptor.

I don’t know if it’s a scandal, but it needs to be dealt with in a forceful manner.

Concur. Whatever their intentions or burdens, the fact remains that more than one IRS employee willfully chose to violate the regulations concerning federal tax-exemption applications. Those employees’ superior were aware of the problem and di not put a stop to it. That’s not a huge scandal, but it is a very serious problem and a big mess that must be cleaned up.

213 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, May 16, 2013 11:01:58pm

re: #212 Dark_Falcon

Concur. Whatever their intentions or burdens, the fact remains that more than one IRS employee willfully chose to violate the regulations concerning federal tax-exemption applications. Those employees’ superior were aware of the problem and di not put a stop to it. That’s not a huge scandal, but it is a very serious problem and a big mess that must be cleaned up.

OBAMA MUST BE IMPEACHED!!!

214 klys and whatnot  Thu, May 16, 2013 11:02:02pm

re: #212 Dark_Falcon

Concur. Whatever their intentions or burdens, the fact remains that more than one IRS employee willfully chose to violate the regulations concerning federal tax-exemption applications. Those employees’ superior were aware of the problem and di not put a stop to it. That’s not a huge scandal, but it is a very serious problem and a big mess that must be cleaned up.

I agree, and I think the President’s response has been utterly in line with what the error was.

I can’t say the same for either the press or the GOP.

215 freetoken  Thu, May 16, 2013 11:04:04pm

re: #213 Sol Berdinowitz

OBAMA MUST BE IMPEACHED LYNCHED!!!

216 Dark_Falcon  Thu, May 16, 2013 11:07:51pm

Good Night, All.

217 dragonath  Thu, May 16, 2013 11:18:14pm

Toronto Mayor Rob Ford in ‘crack cocaine’ video scandal

“I’m f—-ing right-wing,” Ford appears to mutter at one point. “Everyone expects me to be right-wing. I’m just supposed to be this great….” and his voice trails off. At another point he is heard calling Trudeau a “fag.” Later in the 90-second video he is asked about the football team and he appears to say (though he is mumbling), “they are just f—-ing minorities.”

Oh, Canada…

218 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, May 16, 2013 11:22:11pm

re: #215 freetoken

Thanks, it’s still early here, I haven’t had enough Wild Turkey to get into full rage mode.

219 stabby  Thu, May 16, 2013 11:29:19pm

God, PJMedia is so fucked. I wont read these but the headlines

Headlines:
“Scandal Denial and Holocaust Denial” (pic of the pres)
Yes, that’s right.. I bothered to read this one, and in a totally abstract way without mentioning a single fact or contradiction, Robert Wargas equates the President and his administration with Holocaust deniers. Fuck him. Seriously, if anyone has ever deserves to be punched out for vacuous accusations, Wargas does.

“Boehner: Don’t Just Cut Some Low-Level IRS Guys Loose to Wrap Up Scandal” “Somebody made a decision to do this. And I doubt that it was some low-level employees in the Cincinnati field office.”

er, they fired the top guy.

Do These Foreign Leaders Realize that Obama is Using them as Props? (pid of David Cameron) Fear factor.

Flash: Obama Carefully Issues Non-Denial Denial in IRS Scandal

220 engineer cat  Thu, May 16, 2013 11:29:32pm

so, if you read about the ‘history’ of the game of thrones universe, it recounts that the first men invaded westeros 12,500 years before the present, bearing weapons of bronze

which is weird because the actual bronze age started no more than 5,600 years ago

221 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, May 16, 2013 11:32:11pm

re: #220 engineer cat

so, if you read about the ‘history’ of the game of thrones universe, it recounts that the first men invaded westeros 12,500 years before the present, bearing weapons of bronze

which is weird because the actual bronze age started no more than 5,600 years ago

I am bothered that the very proto-European figures in Lord of the Rings had access to potatoes and tobacco, which came from America…

222 freetoken  Thu, May 16, 2013 11:34:29pm

re: #219 stabby

PJM is what happens in a society so wealthy that not making sense doesn’t matter anymore.

223 freetoken  Thu, May 16, 2013 11:36:29pm

A Trek review that’s getting some play:

Star Trek Into Dumbness

No spoilers, please.

224 dragonath  Thu, May 16, 2013 11:36:47pm

re: #221 Sol Berdinowitz

Elves brought potatoes from Valinor…

225 freetoken  Thu, May 16, 2013 11:39:45pm

Remember all the brouhaha over that 4th grade test from a private school, that was essentially creationism on ‘roids?

Well, it looks like all the publicity has helped out that school, which was a struggling small school in the middle of no-where:

Christian school: ‘atheist controversy’ over creationist quiz may keep academy open

[…]

The media attention has brought awareness of the school reaching from the upstate of South Carolina, throughout the US and into over 70 countries around the world. Donations have been given ranging in amounts from $1 – $1000. Encouraging notes and emails have poured in from around world to offset the thousands of hateful comments that are not only circulating the internet and Facebook, but also direct mail, emails and phone calls to the school.

Diana Baker, Administrator at BRCA, commented on the controversy, “It is unmistakable that our culture greatly needs well-equipped warriors for Christ. Even though the attack on the school was meant to be harmful, God has used it to provide affirmation regarding the importance of our work. We are hopeful that the recent unexpected interest in our school and in Christian Education will provide support for a future for BRCA.

[…]

226 stabby  Thu, May 16, 2013 11:40:09pm

re: #222 freetoken

You’ve said that before. I don’t mean to be unpleasant here, but I don’t buy it.

There is corruption, hatred, nonsense in poor societies. When they commit genocide in Rwanda, it’s with mere machetes. You think genocidal hatred isn’t built on lies?

Read papers in the middle east, they’re not only filled with lies, they’re filled with the same, already discredited lies, over and over and over. The standard of living in say, Iran is significantly lower than Mexico. We’re not talking about the result of wealth. And we’re getting more like them all the time…

Naw, I think wealth and honesty are orthogonal. ie independent.

227 dragonath  Thu, May 16, 2013 11:42:13pm

re: #225 freetoken

WARRIORS FOR CHRIST

HEIL CHRIST

228 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, May 16, 2013 11:43:55pm

re: #226 stabby

Naw, I think wealth and honesty are orthogonal. ie independent.

In both cases, there is an educated elite that knows better, they are just cynical and propagate hateful lies to the less-educated masses using their financial leverage to inflluence or control the media.

229 freetoken  Thu, May 16, 2013 11:45:22pm

re: #226 stabby

PJM is entertainment for people with too much time on their hands and want to write stupid articles for even stupider commenters to get worked up into faux-outrages. It’s WND but with a little less Jezzzuu$$$.

230 stabby  Thu, May 16, 2013 11:46:37pm

re: #228 Sol Berdinowitz

I still don’t believe it.

The will to dehumanize comes from forces other than greed, it comes from tribalism and religion.

I’m no Randian, but greed is hardly the greatest source of evil.

231 stabby  Thu, May 16, 2013 11:47:29pm

re: #229 freetoken

PJM is entertainment for people with too much time on their hands and want to write stupid articles for even stupider commenters to get worked up into faux-outrages. It’s WND but with a little less Jezzzuu$$$.

That I’ll agree with.

232 dragonath  Thu, May 16, 2013 11:48:07pm

re: #230 stabby

I’m no Randian, but greed is hardly the greatest source of evil.

Yeah, and gravity is a weak force.

233 stabby  Thu, May 16, 2013 11:48:25pm

Well what I really think is that greed isn’t the only major source of evil on earth.

234 stabby  Thu, May 16, 2013 11:49:39pm

Oops edited.

tired, also had a lil tequila

235 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, May 16, 2013 11:56:53pm

re: #230 stabby

I still don’t believe it.

The will to dehumanize comes from forces other than greed, it comes from tribalism and religion.

I’m no Randian, but greed is hardly the greatest source of evil.

The elites are not just monetary elites, they are often religious elites who have managed to accumulate vast wealth by manipulating the masses.

Just read about the new Pope condemning the “cult of money”.

While sitting on one of the wealthiest pieces of real estate in the world.

236 stabby  Fri, May 17, 2013 12:05:29am

re: #235 Sol Berdinowitz

There are currencies other than money.

There’s prestige, there’s power, there are mystical measurements of merit and abomination that are totally fictional but believed. To a racist, or an ethnic bigot different kinds of blood are measures of merit or abomination.

You’re sounding like a blinkered lefty, materialist. Other kinds of people use OTHER scales.

It’s interesting to note that with greed there’s only a positive measure, money. But with other scales there can be negative measures, there can even be peoples hated so much that their existence is considered a wrong in itself.

237 freetoken  Fri, May 17, 2013 12:06:15am

Old, powerful men and their views of women, entry #78556:

POLITICS – Security Chief Tells Women: ‘Reduce Drinking’ to Get Raped Less

238 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, May 17, 2013 12:10:02am

re: #236 stabby

There are currencies other than money.

There’s prestige, there’s power, there are mystical measurements of merit and abomination that are totally fictional but believed. To a racist, or an ethnic bigot different kinds of blood are measures of merit or abomination.

You’re sounding like a blinkered lefty, materialist. Other kinds of people use OTHER scales.

It’s interesting to note that with greed there’s only a positive measure, money. But with other scales there can be negative measures, there can even be peoples hated so much that their existence is considered a wrong in itself.

Money can be measured, other “currencies” only estimated.

239 stabby  Fri, May 17, 2013 12:11:27am

It’s interesting to notice that the word “power” in a political context doesn’t have a set meaning.

Whenever someone uses that word, I always stop a second to determine if there is a real meaning that fits the use, or if it’s bullshit.

You have to be careful with words that are too abstract.

240 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, May 17, 2013 12:12:54am

re: #239 stabby

It’s interesting to notice that the word “power” in a political context doesn’t have a set meaning.

Whenever someone uses that word, I always stop a second to determine if there is a real meaning that fits the use, or if it’s bullshit.

You have to be careful with words that are too abstract.

“family values”

241 stabby  Fri, May 17, 2013 12:14:40am

re: #240 Sol Berdinowitz

“family values”

Meaning “Punishing people for all signs of sexuality. Attempting to maintain a tissue of lies about sexuality to fool children with.”

242 stabby  Fri, May 17, 2013 12:22:15am

re: #232 dragonath

Yeah, and gravity is a weak force.

I don’t know if you meant that or were being ironic

hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu

Note that “the weak force” has a strength of 10^-6 compared with “the strong force” and gravity has a strength of 10^-39

243 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, May 17, 2013 12:24:53am

re: #241 stabby

Meaning “Punishing people for all signs of sexuality. Attempting to maintain a tissue of lies about sexuality to fool children with.”

and “trying to uphold and enforce an outdated view of family and morals through selective references to the old Testament”

244 stabby  Fri, May 17, 2013 12:29:17am
245 freetoken  Fri, May 17, 2013 12:31:55am

Modernity is too hard for H. sapiens, and I predict we won’t be able to maintain it.

The following headline, or some version of it, spread in great part by UPI but also put up on countless blogs:

Charles Darwin Wrong On Theory of Evolution for Coral Atolls, Tree of Life; Researches Confirm ‘He Didn’t Know’

The magick of words - we humans are enticed, enthralled, and held hostage to our intimate connection to language. We are human because of language, and language is what is means to be “human” versus other species.

The power of incantations is not to be ignored. It’s why President Obama has to invoke “God bless America” at the end of speeches. It’s a primitive rite that that lays bare the thinness of modernity’s paint over our basic, tribal primate-hood.

246 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, May 17, 2013 12:35:23am

re: #245 freetoken

Modernity is too hard for H. sapiens, and I predict we won’t be able to maintain it.

We make progress, then we fall back…we already had the dark Ages and the Renaissance, I expect the cycle to continue.

I have a pessimistic view of the near future. I fear that we have grown too dysfunctinal to face a real crisis, and any major strain on our ability to make sound judgements and react to a catastrophe will plunge us backwards again, and we will spend decades/centuries recovering from it.

247 stabby  Fri, May 17, 2013 12:41:22am

re: #246 Sol Berdinowitz

You take things too seriously

248 freetoken  Fri, May 17, 2013 12:42:29am

re: #246 Sol Berdinowitz

We make progress, then we fall back…we already had the dark Ages and the Renaissance, I expect the cycle to continue.

Very Eurocentric of you….

In the Americas, when the Mayans collapsed even the Aztecs hadn’t recovered to the point of writing.

The Great Bronze Age collapse - the Minoans, the great Canaanite cities, ancient Sumer, the builders of the Great Pyramids, etc. - all gone. Sure, the iron age empires eventually came. Yet the West grew by rapidly increasing exploitation of living and fossilized resources - non-replaceable.

There used to be several species of Homo. Now - all gone.

249 engineer cat  Fri, May 17, 2013 12:56:27am

re: #246 Sol Berdinowitz

We make progress, then we fall back…we already had the dark Ages and the Renaissance, I expect the cycle to continue.

I have a pessimistic view of the near future. I fear that we have grown too dysfunctinal to face a real crisis, and any major strain on our ability to make sound judgements and react to a catastrophe will plunge us backwards again, and we will spend decades/centuries recovering from it.

if you study prehistory, you find that there are a number of dark ages

first, after the end of the ice age, the people of europe, who had a mighty big game hunter culture for 30 thousand years and established the first great artistic culture known to us through the cave paintings, become scattered mesolithic people, and europe becomes a backwater

then, thousands of years later after agriculture has come to europe, in about 4000 bc there is an invasion of people resembling the later vikings, except that they come from north of the black sea, who burn villages and set back neolithic europe

and then there is the chaos at the end of the bronze age and the beginning of the iron age, during the centuries around 1000 bc, sometimes called the greek dark ages, during which also the mysterious ‘sea peoples’ attempted to invade egypt

we sit on top of a a fragile structure of technological society, in a time where most people no longer know how to clear a field and grow their own food personally, or make a weapon and kill dinner

when the electricity stops, or the oil is no longer there, or some other more unforseen disaster overtakes us - how will we get by then?

250 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, May 17, 2013 12:57:27am

re: #249 engineer cat

when the electricity stops, or the oil is no longer there, or some other more unforseen disaster overtakes us - how will we get by then?

On the positive side, we survived the Cold War without wiping out humanity.

251 stabby  Fri, May 17, 2013 1:01:50am

Meh, the world will be fine.

We’ll never run out of energy. There will always be a source to transition to unless you gonna go so far into the future that the sun goes out. Technology gets more efficient over time, eventually we can squeeze energy from anything.

Also, the world will never run out of organic chemicals. Oil came from plants remember? We still have those.

If the US goes through bad times, then Americans will go to other countries.

I still say you’re all being too serious.

There are parts of the world that will be civilized forever and parts that may never get their heads out of their asses. Shrug.

252 simoom  Fri, May 17, 2013 1:09:58am

re: #3 jaunte

Will Jon Karl roll on his ‘source’?
mediaite.com

Has Karl even been bothered to do a public retraction yet? Last I saw he he was spinning for his source and regurgitating their goalpost-moving explanation (which when the entire e-mail chain was released turned out to be BS too).

I wonder if ABC News cares that much though. Their political division seems to have banked on a RW-traffic strategy over the last few years, based on their Fox appearances, editorial slant and drudge-bait story titling. Their political director, Rick Klein seems to spend nearly as much time over at FNC as he does on his own network (O’Reilly, Hannity, Van Susteran, etc).

253 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, May 17, 2013 1:10:01am

re: #251 stabby

Meh, the world will be fine.

It will be fine, it just might not be as cozy as we have it now…

254 freetoken  Fri, May 17, 2013 1:17:29am

Rimsky-Korsakov, as interpreted by Sergei Prokofiev at the keyboard:

255 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, May 17, 2013 1:39:23am

Rimfire-Kalashnikov killed the thread…

256 Romantic Heretic  Fri, May 17, 2013 2:40:38am

re: #112 FemNaziBitch

Can’t stop the future.

I think it’s telling that one of the first products from this new technology available is a firearm.

Sad

Wait until nanotechnology really takes off. People will be able to manufacture the equivalent of ‘smart’ microbes.

Check Stephenson’s The Diamond Age for a view.

257 freetoken  Fri, May 17, 2013 2:41:49am
258 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, May 17, 2013 2:42:04am

re: #256 Romantic Heretic

Wait until nanotechnology really takes off. People will be able to manufacture the equivalent of ‘smart’ microbes.

Check Stephenson’s The Diamond Age for a view.

And the first thing they will do with these “smart microbes” is use them as assassination weapons.

An annoying human trait…

259 Dr Lizardo  Fri, May 17, 2013 2:50:15am

re: #187 Bear

Pres Truman “saved my a**” authorizing dropping the Bomb. Was in one of the four Divisions scheduled to hit the beach in Japan.

My late father was in the US Navy, and would’ve participated in an invasion of the Japanese islands. He was a torpedo bomber pilot.

His view of the atomic bombs: As terrible as they were, and as much as they summoned in a dread new era of warfare, they ultimately saved more lives then they took, both American and Japanese. As he put it to me, “Think how many millions of Japanese would’ve been killed in an invasion of the Japanese home islands - in the end, it was worth it. A lot of Japanese alive today would never have been born if we [the US] hadn’t dropped those bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.”

A cold equation, if you will.

He was also the first to tell me, at a young age, the the USSR’s declaration of war on Japan on August 9th 1945 had as much to do with the Emperor’s decision to surrender as the atomic bombs. As he explained it, “Hirohito reckoned that if the Soviets occupied Japan, they’d never go home, and Japan today would be like East and West Germany is now.”

On the other hand, my dad was of the opinion that Hirohito should’ve been prosecuted for war crimes. Not sentenced to death - but haled in front of a court. But in the end, he said MacArthur’s opinion led to the best outcome, even if he didn’t personally agree with it.

260 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, May 17, 2013 3:05:12am

re: #259 Dr Lizardo

On the other hand, my dad was of the opinion that Hirohito should’ve been prosecuted for war crimes. Not sentenced to death - but haled in front of a court. But in the end, he said MacArthur’s opinion led to the best outcome, even if he didn’t personally agree with it.

They needed a puppet to run their puppet government, and Hirohito was the Chief Marionette.

261 freetoken  Fri, May 17, 2013 3:24:10am

It’s important to remember that even back then the Japanese emperor was a symbolic position. The real power lay in the military, and the industrial complex which was cleaved to said military.

262 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, May 17, 2013 3:29:53am

Of course, but MacArthur understood that if the Emperor stood behind a new occupation government, he would give it credibility. Without it, the occupation government might have been rejected, which could have led to all sorts of trouble.

263 freetoken  Fri, May 17, 2013 3:36:55am

A self-evident proposition?

The Next Senator From Georgia Will Probably be Nuts

The race to replace retiring Sen. Saxby Chambliss (R-Ga.) is starting to take shape, and it’s looking pretty one-sided. Rep. John Barrow, the Democrats’ most-promising statewide candidate, has already announced he isn’t running. The Republican field is growing. Former Georgia secretary of state Karen Handel, who gained notoriety last summer for attempting to sever the Susan G. Komen breast cancer foundation’s ties to Planned Parenthood, is reportedly considering a run. David Perdue, the cousin of former Gov. Sonny Perdue, launched an exploratory committee on Wednesday. If they both formally enter the race, they’ll join three candidates who made their intentions clear weeks ago: Reps. Phil Gingrey, Paul Broun, and Jack Kingston.

In their time in the House, the three congressmen have earned reputations as some of the lower chamber’s most conservative members—and also some of the most prone to going completely off the rails. Together, they pushed to block the Environmental Protection Agency from regulating greenhouse gases on the grounds that climate change is a hoax (more on that in a second). They’ve called on the Smithsonian to be investigated (Kingston), proposed personhood for zygotes (Broun) and sought to block the reauthorization of the Voting Rights Act (Kingston again).

[…]

264 freetoken  Fri, May 17, 2013 3:42:24am

Our heroes are fallen:

Internet hero is charged in slaying of lawyer

A homeless man who achieved Internet fame for disrupting a California attack with his hatchet was arrested and charged yesterday in the killing of a New Jersey lawyer found bludgeoned to death in his home, officials said.

Police arrested Caleb Lawrence McGillvary, 24, known as “Kai the Hitchhiker,” at a bus terminal in Philadelphia, Union County Prosecutor Theodore Romankow said.

Prosecutors said McGillvary killed Joseph Galfy Jr., 73, in his Clark, N.J., home on Sunday.

[…]

McGillvary catapulted to Internet fame in February after he used a hatchet to attack a man who drove over a California utility worker and then threatened a woman in Fresno, Calif.

His heroics also earned him a mention on The Colbert Report.

265 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, May 17, 2013 3:42:35am

newsmax reports:
Mitch McConnell on IRS Scandal: ‘We’ll Investigate for As Long As It Takes’

as long as it takes to what, pray tell?

266 Dr Lizardo  Fri, May 17, 2013 4:02:53am

re: #265 Sol Berdinowitz

newsmax reports:
Mitch McConnell on IRS Scandal: ‘We’ll Investigate for As Long As It Takes’

as long as it takes to what, pray tell?

Until they can find a way to show President Obama’s direct involvement.

//*

*=Well, sort of - that’s probably what they’ll end up attempting.

267 Bubblehead II  Fri, May 17, 2013 4:21:15am

Just a quick drive by post. Then off to work.

Man arrested at Boise Bench home on terrorism charges

BOISE — Federal agents have arrested 30-year-old Fazliddin Kurbanov, who was living at a Boise Bench home, as part of a federal terrorism investigation.

268 Dark_Falcon  Fri, May 17, 2013 4:28:12am

re: #266 Dr Lizardo

Until they can find a way to show President Obama’s direct involvement.

//*

*=Well, sort of - that’s probably what they’ll end up attempting.

Well, they shouldn’t.

269 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, May 17, 2013 4:31:19am

re: #268 Dark_Falcon

Well, they shouldn’t.

It’s about taxes.

Taxes are bad.

The IRS is evil.

That is the point that they need to hammer into the ground.

270 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Fri, May 17, 2013 4:36:29am

re: #267 Bubblehead II

The hell kind of a name for a town is “Boise Bench”?

271 Vicious Babushka  Fri, May 17, 2013 4:45:58am

re: #124 dragonath

First Commenter:

Where’s Vicious Babushka when you need her?

Those dat hammer theyr gunz into cheezburger flippers, will make cheezburger for those who do not!

272 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Fri, May 17, 2013 4:47:49am

re: #271 Vicious Babushka

Then, of course, to quote Lincoln:

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273 Vicious Babushka  Fri, May 17, 2013 4:54:04am

re: #272 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts

Then, of course, to quote Lincoln:

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274 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Fri, May 17, 2013 4:58:33am

re: #273 Vicious Babushka

More versions in case these are unblocked for you:

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275 Vicious Babushka  Fri, May 17, 2013 4:59:56am

re: #274 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts

More versions in case these are unblocked for you:

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Scary.

276 Vicious Babushka  Fri, May 17, 2013 5:40:32am

I’m looking to buy a new outdoor grill. I’ve got my eye on this one, does anyone have any other recommendations?

277 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Fri, May 17, 2013 5:42:23am

re: #276 Vicious Babushka

I just set fire to whatever’s handy. Short people who use a lot of product in their hair are good.

278 Vicious Babushka  Fri, May 17, 2013 5:43:44am

re: #277 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts

I just set fire to whatever’s handy. Short people who use a lot of product in their hair are good.

I don’t use any product in my hair.

279 Vicious Babushka  Fri, May 17, 2013 5:46:46am

I also want to buy a new 7-qt stand mixer. I have a 5-qt Hobart Kitchenaid that I bought 33 years ago, it still works great but can’t handle more than 2 lbs. of flour at a time. I read reviews of the 7-qt Kitchenaid, and even though it has a larger bowl, the motor can’t handle that much dough and it stalls out.

280 Bert's House of Beef and Obdicuts  Fri, May 17, 2013 5:48:23am

re: #279 Vicious Babushka

I’m really pissed at kitchen-aid, since a tiny plastic part inside the tower broke and I have to remove a soldered pin in order to fix it.

281 Vicious Babushka  Fri, May 17, 2013 5:50:32am

re: #280 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts

I’m really pissed at kitchen-aid, since a tiny plastic part inside the tower broke and I have to remove a soldered pin in order to fix it.

I’m looking at the Viking and the Cuisinart. I have pretty much made up my mind to stay away from Kitchen Aid.

282 Decatur Deb  Fri, May 17, 2013 5:52:19am

re: #276 Vicious Babushka

I’m looking to buy a new outdoor grill. I’ve got my eye on this one, does anyone have any other recommendations?

A 22 inch Weber is $99. Anything better is hand-welded by a guy in the woods, and you don’t know him. Charcoal/wood=grill. Gas=kitchen range lost on the patio.

283 geoffm33  Fri, May 17, 2013 5:56:21am

Just paged this:

Chris Herren Tells Bromfield Teens and Parents Tough Truths

The paged article is about a local highschool basketball star that self-derailed his professional dreams with drug and alcohol abuse. Finally made it to the NBA then fell back into drugs hardcore and hit rock bottom.

He’s made a great recovery, written a book, had his career and addiction profiled by ESPN and now speaks to parents and teens of the dangers of drug and alcohol abuse.

Great turnaround and I am a fan of his once more…

284 A Mom Anon  Fri, May 17, 2013 6:00:19am

re: #276 Vicious Babushka

We have a Broilmaster that’s lasted for 16 yrs. Instead of propane, it’s connected to the gas line that serves the hot water tank and the gas stove top in the kitchen. My husband did the gas line work, it’s probably not too difficult if you can find someone who knows what to do. I like it better than a propane tank, it’s always at the ready and you don’t have to deal with the tanks.

I’d like to have a wood fired oven outdoors someday, until then, the kiddo and I are looking to build a solar oven and see how that works out.

285 Decatur Deb  Fri, May 17, 2013 6:06:17am

re: #284 A Mom Anon

If you have more time than money, KT posted instructions on how to build a mud ‘cob oven’. You could play with it until you figure out what you want to do. I’m after building an Italian forno a legna pizza/bread oven. The cost of refractory brick and cement for the dome is a bit of a block. Wood for a real oven would be very expensive, unless your husband came up with a removable gas-fired preheater, to bring it up to temps where the wood could take over for the last hour or so. One of the favorite fuels in N. italy was aged-out grape vines—smelled good.

286 Decatur Deb  Fri, May 17, 2013 6:11:09am

Cob oven like KT’s:

small-scale.net

Forno:

287 Vicious Babushka  Fri, May 17, 2013 6:13:03am

re: #286 Decatur Deb

Cob oven like KT’s:

small-scale.net

Forno:

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That’s totally cool, now who will build it for me? (I can pay in PIE)

288 iossarian  Fri, May 17, 2013 6:13:17am

re: #7 engineer cat

Fox Bonks Republicans With Their Own Lollypop

wingnuts fail to notice they’re licking on lies

Someone get this man an Onion contract.

re: #286 Decatur Deb

Forno:

Is that like porno for folks who are really into their pizza?

And … good morning!

289 Decatur Deb  Fri, May 17, 2013 6:14:45am

re: #288 iossarian

Someone get this man an Onion contract.

re: #286 Decatur Deb

Is that like porno for folks who are really into their pizza?

And … good morning!

You can use it for pineapple pizza, eaten with a fork, like they do in Vicenza.

290 iossarian  Fri, May 17, 2013 6:17:16am

re: #289 Decatur Deb

You can use it for pineapple pizza, eaten with a fork, like they do in Vicenza.

Those crazy Vicenzans.

I can’t believe the whole “Republicans made shit up to smear the president” story.

No wait, I can totally believe it.

Next you’ll be telling me that the IRS didn’t specifically target right-wing groups, they were just some of the outfits caught up in their dragnet for politically motivated “charities”.

291 A Mom Anon  Fri, May 17, 2013 6:17:48am

re: #286 Decatur Deb

That’s cool, I’m just trying to think of where I’d put it so Miss Dog wouldn’t think it was something to dig into, lol. I think we looked into building a pizza/bread oven many years back and the price of the materials was crazy. The kid was little then, I also had fears of him burning the hell out of himself on it. But all this red clay around here might be useful for that so maybe I can bat my eyelashes at The Husband and see if he’ll help me build one.

We found a little booklet awhile back about building solar ovens from a cheap version with a cardboard box lined with foil to a more permanent thing made of wood and fireproof insulated panels and the like, much more in my price range for now.

292 Decatur Deb  Fri, May 17, 2013 6:18:33am

re: #287 Vicious Babushka

That’s totally cool, now who will build it for me? (I can pay in PIE)

Do you need milchig one and a fleischig? That’s a lot of pie.

293 Vicious Babushka  Fri, May 17, 2013 6:20:25am

re: #292 Decatur Deb

Do you need milchig one and a fleischig? That’s a lot of pie.

That’s a good point. I would need a milchig one for pizza and a pareve one for other baked goods.

294 Decatur Deb  Fri, May 17, 2013 6:21:08am

re: #291 A Mom Anon

That’s cool, I’m just trying to think of where I’d put it so Miss Dog wouldn’t think it was something to dig into, lol. I think we looked into building a pizza/bread oven many years back and the price of the materials was crazy. The kid was little then, I also had fears of him burning the hell out of himself on it. But all this red clay around here might be useful for that so maybe I can bat my eyelashes at The Husband and see if he’ll help me build one.

We found a little booklet awhile back about building solar ovens from a cheap version with a cardboard box lined with foil to a more permanent thing made of wood and fireproof insulated panels and the like, much more in my price range for now.

Do solar the GA way—an old 4 meter satellite TV dish covered in AOL CD-ROMs.

295 lawhawk  Fri, May 17, 2013 6:22:23am

re: #276 Vicious Babushka

Consumer Reports doesn’t seem to have tested any grills with a total grilling area over 600 sq inches. The one you’re looking at claims 900 square inches. That’s a ton of grilling space!

Oh, and Home Depot is selling it at $329, significantly less than the $382 at Amazon.

296 Bulworth  Fri, May 17, 2013 6:25:56am

Major Garrett used to be at Faux News. I guess he had aspirations to be a real journalist. Who knew? Good job.

297 Vicious Babushka  Fri, May 17, 2013 6:26:08am

re: #295 lawhawk

Consumer Reports doesn’t seem to have tested any grills with a total grilling area over 600 sq inches. The one you’re looking at claims 900 square inches. That’s a ton of grilling space!

Oh, and Home Depot is selling it at $329, significantly less than the $382 at Amazon.

Think I will visit Home Depot.

298 Decatur Deb  Fri, May 17, 2013 6:26:43am

Heh.. I was joking, and checked it out:

Solar concentrator from old satellite dish

blog.makezine.com

299 lawhawk  Fri, May 17, 2013 6:27:57am

Go big, or go extinct. The new Pacific Rim trailer looks great, but I can’t seem to shake the idea that this riffs on Iron Man grown to the size of the Empire State Building to fight aliens from the deep ocean.

300 Bulworth  Fri, May 17, 2013 6:28:04am
Fox Bonks Republicans With Their Own Lollypop

wingnuts fail to notice they’re licking on lies

The Internet has been won.

301 Dr Lizardo  Fri, May 17, 2013 6:33:51am

re: #299 lawhawk

Go big, or go extinct. The new Pacific Rim trailer looks great, but I can’t seem to shake the idea that this riffs on Iron Man grown to the size of the Empire State Building to fight aliens from the deep ocean.

I’m there on opening day. And it has Ron Perlman. I also liked that fact that they refer to the beasties as ‘kaiju’.

Oh yeah.

302 Targetpractice  Fri, May 17, 2013 6:33:53am

re: #299 lawhawk

Go big, or go extinct. The new Pacific Rim trailer looks great, but I can’t seem to shake the idea that this riffs on Iron Man grown to the size of the Empire State Building to fight aliens from the deep ocean.

It’s basically a Japanese kaiju film made by Americans. Hopefully better than that godawful Godzilla film they made back in the 90s.

303 iossarian  Fri, May 17, 2013 6:35:12am

re: #298 Decatur Deb

Heh.. I was joking, and checked it out:

Solar concentrator from old satellite dish

blog.makezine.com

Yup, you can have fun with an old satellite dish. You can also use a Fresnel (?) lens from a big rear-projection TV I think.

You could actually rig up a pretty serious Stirling engine that way if you knew what you were doing.

FREE ENERGY FROM THE SUN GOD

304 Decatur Deb  Fri, May 17, 2013 6:37:59am

re: #303 iossarian

Yup, you can have fun with an old satellite dish. You can also use a Fresnel (?) lens from a big rear-projection TV I think.

You could actually rig up a pretty serious Stirling engine that way if you knew what you were doing.

FREE ENERGY FROM THE SUN GOD

My kid went through a Stirling phase—I’ve still got a bunch of old outboard and compressor parts around.

305 Decatur Deb  Fri, May 17, 2013 6:51:44am

re: #303 iossarian

Yup, you can have fun with an old satellite dish. You can also use a Fresnel (?) lens from a big rear-projection TV I think.

You could actually rig up a pretty serious Stirling engine that way if you knew what you were doing.

FREE ENERGY FROM THE SUN GOD

I dug down to that kid’s video—his solar furnace was really impressive, and made from only a ‘modern’ mini-dish. One of the old motel mesh dishes would really hit some temps.

306 Targetpractice  Fri, May 17, 2013 6:53:43am

Seems the GOP’s trying to shift gears without using the clutch. They’re trying to go from “Obama is Nixon incarnate!” to “Obama’s not running a damned thing!” and the scandal-hungry media’s trying to help them along. The theme now seems to be that even if Obama wasn’t giving the orders, he created this “culture of intimidation” that allowed them to happen.

307 iossarian  Fri, May 17, 2013 6:55:05am

re: #306 Targetpractice

Seems the GOP’s trying to shift gears without using the clutch. They’re trying to go from “Obama is Nixon incarnate!” to “Obama’s not running a damned thing!” and the scandal-hungry media’s trying to help them along. The theme now seems to be that even if Obama wasn’t giving the orders, he created this “culture of intimidation” that allowed them to happen.

obama created intimidation by not doing anything he is v ineffective and also the worst and most oppressive tyrant ever

on phone to power company hence no caps or punc

308 iossarian  Fri, May 17, 2013 6:56:14am

power company hold music is super scratchy they sound like theyre playing it on turntable with blunt needle

309 lawhawk  Fri, May 17, 2013 7:03:58am

Aw, how cute:

Right, because the GOP, which has spent yet more time in an absolutely futile attempt to engineer a full repeal of Obamacare, can do a better job than the sitting President in handling national and global affairs.

The current scandals, such as they are, aren’t out of the ordinary for any prior Administration, except that outrageous outrage has been turned to 11TY by the GOP that is struggling to find a single issue on which they actually have a position favored by a majority, let alone a plurality of Americans.

Benghazi isn’t a scandal worth its weight in shrinkwrap expended by the GOP. Pushing bogus talking points and GOP operatives that purposefully misled media outlets about emails in the timeline - is, however a scandal that ought to be more fully investigated.

The AP investigation deserves more scrutiny, but the GOP is actually attempting a triple Lindy by demanding heads roll (particularly AG Holder) for doing exactly what the GOP has been seeking for years - aggressively investigating leaks of classified documents and those that affect national security. The WH response - pass media shield law that Democrats have been seeking for years, will force GOP hand.

The IRS scandal too is focusing on the wrong issues. Turns out that the real problem isn’t the focus on TP and right wing entities solely, but that IRS policy is so ambiguous precisely because Congress intended the law to be that way. Best fix is the one that Congress wont entertain - eliminate any and all entities from getting 501(c) status that engage in lobbying or political activity - all those entities seeking to lobby or engage in political activity must register as a 527.

That would clean up the problems at the IRS and the policy position that could lead to abuse.

The TIGTA report shows that the problem lies in how to figure out whether an entity is engaging in lobbying or political activities, and where the line is drawn. Take that out of the hands of the IRS - fix the law. That way, if the IRS does engage in audits or approving applications for 501(c) entities, any political activity will disqualify and the entity will be classified as a 527 instead.

Now, that will surely tick off a wide range of entities across the political spectrum, and those entities will likely have to split out their lobbying/political activity from their actual charitable works, but that’s better than the current system.

310 Bulworth  Fri, May 17, 2013 7:05:31am

re: #309 lawhawk

This is good news for Mitt Romney.

311 iossarian  Fri, May 17, 2013 7:07:50am

re: #310 Bulworth

This is good news for Mitt Romney.

Car lift goes up
Car lift goes down
Deep sigh
Romney is bored again

(Shamelessly ripped off from the GOS)

312 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, May 17, 2013 7:14:06am

re: #251 stabby

Also, the world will never run out of organic chemicals. Oil came from plants remember? We still have those.

Just a little incorrect and too optimistic there, sonny. Petroleum does not come from “plants,” but from aquatic organisms — plankton and algae — that were buried, heated and compressed for hundreds of millions of years under layers of rock. I rather doubt humans will be around long enough to extract these new sources of petroleum in 600 million years.

313 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Fri, May 17, 2013 7:15:00am

re: #308 iossarian

power company hold music is super scratchy they sound like theyre playing it on turntable with blunt needle

Maybe it’s been this way forever, but I’ve noticed hold music that is interrupted by periodic reassurances that “your call is very important to us” has no intro, no verse, no coda. It’s always like a disembodied “middle” that stretches out forever with no tension, no resolution, no sense of musical “direction” or anything. It’s almost always really syrupy jazz-lite heavy on tenor sax, too. Almost completely atonal, which is weird.

I think the worst hold music is when they use songs that have identifiable lyrics. I can stand listening to a mercenary session guy droozling out bored sax non-melodies a lot more easily than I can put up with excruciatingly dumb lyrics sung by some singer whose voice I hate more and more with each passing second. My amateur hypothesis is that the lyrics are more ‘concrete’, and by forcibly engaging the language centers of the brain, it makes me more acutely aware that I’m being semi-voluntarily held hostage by the fact that I’m spending 30 minutes on hold in order to resolve a problem that will probably only take 5 minutes once I get an actual person (assuming all goes well).

314 Lidane  Fri, May 17, 2013 7:19:19am

re: #309 lawhawk

Jennifer Rubin’s salaray is wasted money.

WaPo would be better served using that same money to hire interns.

315 Targetpractice  Fri, May 17, 2013 7:23:39am

Ah, ya gotta love it. Issa tells the press earlier that the GOP will proceed with caution in their investigations and will not try to make the scandals “about Obama.” Then Ways and Means Chairman Camp does…what? That’s right: comes out of the gate blaming the IRS boondoggle on the White House.

316 geoffm33  Fri, May 17, 2013 7:25:53am
317 lawhawk  Fri, May 17, 2013 7:25:56am

re: #314 Lidane

And to give Kessler the heave-ho too. “acts of terror” ≠ “terrorism” my ass.

318 dragonath  Fri, May 17, 2013 7:27:04am

Burn Pinocchio!

319 iossarian  Fri, May 17, 2013 7:28:23am

re: #313 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

These are all great points. The worst hold music I’ve come across was a company that used a “telephone” themed rockabilly song in the Eddie Cochran style (though I don’t think it was him).

They probably thought it made them sound ironic and edgy but it was just annoying, unfortunately. Give me some nice Vivaldi any day.

It’s a bit like business hotel rooms. Most of the people I know who do a lot of business travel agree that, in the end, you don’t want quirky, or even particularly stylish or fancy. You just want everything to be in the same position so you know where everything is.

320 Bulworth  Fri, May 17, 2013 7:32:47am

re: #317 lawhawk

The simple fact that we were ever talking about Talking Points and Acts of Terrorism vs Terrorist Acts vs. Terrorism means we’re doomed no matter what.

321 Bulworth  Fri, May 17, 2013 7:35:04am

re: #314 Lidane

Washington, D.C. would be infinitely better off if WaPo donated JRubes salary to one of any number of local food kitchens.

322 Mattand  Fri, May 17, 2013 7:39:23am

re: #321 Bulworth

Washington, D.C. would be infinitely better off if WaPo donated JRubes salary to one of any number of local food kitchens.

They may to look at Glenn Kessler’s salary as well, after the whole “Obama immediately called Benghazi an act of terror, therefore he lied about calling it an act of terror” idiocy.

323 Vicious Babushka  Fri, May 17, 2013 7:41:07am

Wingnut Outrage Du Jour:

OBAMA CAN USE THE U.S. MARINES TO HOLD AN UMBRELLA OVER HIS HEAD BUT NOT RESCUE AMERICANS IN BENGHAZI!!11!!!!!!TY

324 Bulworth  Fri, May 17, 2013 7:42:50am

re: #323 Vicious Babushka

Bet this story ends up headlining CNN tonight.

325 Vicious Babushka  Fri, May 17, 2013 7:43:08am
326 Bulworth  Fri, May 17, 2013 7:43:53am

re: #325 Vicious Babushka

Where’s the coverage!?!1?1!!?!

327 Bulworth  Fri, May 17, 2013 7:45:41am

re: #325 Vicious Babushka

OK, well, “shitragger” is pretty special. I’m gonna steal it lotz.

328 Vicious Babushka  Fri, May 17, 2013 7:45:53am

Wonkette so totally rulez.

329 Decatur Deb  Fri, May 17, 2013 7:46:42am

re: #325 Vicious Babushka

Everyone needs to drill into that one—R Lee Ermy quality poetics, there.

330 jaunte  Fri, May 17, 2013 7:47:03am

re: #325 Vicious Babushka

We believe that the takeaway here may be that M. Joseph Sheppard has, at best, misapplied his knowledge of Marine Corps regulations. In fact, we looked it up, and in fact the notation for “Umbrellas, use of” actually do state: “if the Commander in Chief gives you a lawful order you follow the motherfucking lawful order.”

Heh.

331 Romantic Heretic  Fri, May 17, 2013 7:49:13am

re: #233 stabby

Well what I really think is that greed isn’t the only major source of evil on earth.

As my demonic alter ego often notes, Pride is the way they get most of the souls given to them.

The second you can do no wrong is the second a person or country starts on the path to Hell.

332 Bulworth  Fri, May 17, 2013 7:49:34am

re: #328 Vicious Babushka

“Cockholster” is also pretty OK with me.

333 FemNaziBitch  Fri, May 17, 2013 7:50:29am

Waiting for the Maytag Repair Man to show-up. Then I can do laundry, vacuum and do dishes. Hard to do anything when the washer is broken.

you?

334 FemNaziBitch  Fri, May 17, 2013 7:56:57am

Cellist’s path to Judaism

When cellist Lynn Harrell would play “Kol Nidre” at his synagogue on Yom Kippur, he felt more than the notes and the melody. It was through the music that he discovered he wanted to become a Jew.

“It was a 45- to 50-year journey to come to the realization that all the people I really loved, married and were close to all my life were Jews,” he said. “In my heart of hearts, I am a Jew.”

Harrell, 69, converted to Judaism two summers ago, but over the years, he had always connected with the religion. As a child, every one of his friends was Jewish, and when he was a teenager, he was taught the cello by a Holocaust survivor.

335 Vicious Babushka  Fri, May 17, 2013 7:58:04am

re: #334 FemNaziBitch

Cellist’s path to Judaism

Nice.

336 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, May 17, 2013 8:02:43am

re: #333 FemNaziBitch

Waiting for the Maytag Repair Man to show-up. Then I can do laundry, vacuum and do dishes. Hard to do anything when the washer is broken.

you?

A/C in the apartment is acting up. Just blowing air and not cooling it. Will get maintenance on it since I want the unit working once Philly decides to start having daylight temps over 85F.

Cats, however, like the apartment at the current 80F.

337 Romantic Heretic  Fri, May 17, 2013 8:02:51am

re: #301 Dr Lizardo

I’m there on opening day. And it has Ron Perlman. I also liked that fact that they refer to the beasties as ‘kaiju’.

Oh yeah.

Myself also. A small screen just won’t do this justice.

Also ‘jaeger’ is German for hunter, which is appropriate. As in ‘fallschirmjaeger’, paratroopers and ‘panzerjaeger’, tank hunters.

338 Vicious Babushka  Fri, May 17, 2013 8:07:31am

Another Outrageous Outrage:

Teh Eebil Overlord Dread SOROS is behind the IRS audits of “Tea Party” 501(c)(3) groups!1!!!

339 iossarian  Fri, May 17, 2013 8:08:39am

SOROS

340 iossarian  Fri, May 17, 2013 8:09:19am

That guy. Like the bad penny.

341 Vicious Babushka  Fri, May 17, 2013 8:11:40am

SOOOOOORRRROOOSSSSSSSSS!!11!!!1

342 Dr Lizardo  Fri, May 17, 2013 8:21:16am

re: #337 Romantic Heretic

Myself also. A small screen just won’t do this justice.

Also ‘jaeger’ is German for hunter, which is appropriate. As in ‘fallschirmjaeger’, paratroopers and ‘panzerjaeger’, tank hunters.

Heh. I wonder if the otaku will like it.

I count myself among the first gen of US anime fandom; my childhood heroes wasn’t just Steve Austin; Derek Wildstar, Speed Racer, Kimba, UltraMan, and of course, Godzilla, Rodan, and Ghidorah were all represented. I was watching “Star Blazers” etc., since I was probably five years old, at least.

The second gen comes with “Akira”, but it wasn’t until the third gen, stuff like “InuYasha” “Dragonball Z” “Sailor Moon” and “Pokemon” that anime and other aspects of Japanese pop culture suddenly went mainstream in the US. Hell, even in the Czech city of Brno there’s an anime store, so now it’s gone worldwide.

343 dragonath  Fri, May 17, 2013 8:28:33am

re: #342 Dr Lizardo

Heh. I wonder if the otaku will like it.

I count myself among the first gen of US anime fandom; my childhood heroes wasn’t just Steve Austin; Derek Wildstar, Speed Racer, Kimba, UltraMan, and of course, Godzilla, Rodan, and Ghidorah were all represented. I was watching “Star Blazers” etc., since I was probably five years old, at least.

CALL TOBOR, THE EIGHT MAN!

344 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, May 17, 2013 8:34:26am

Well, I got clearance for some extended vacation time in late July-early August.

Any Lizard recommendations on things to see or do in the LA-SD area? I will be in Irvine initially to attend a convention and be flying in and out of the OC airport. I expect to have an additional 4-5 days free after the convention ends. Not sure yet whether to stay in one place and just run day-trips here and there with a rental car, or to hotel hop from place to place.

345 Dr Lizardo  Fri, May 17, 2013 8:34:36am

re: #343 dragonath

CALL TOBOR, THE EIGHT MAN!

LOLOLOL. I remember that one as well.

It really came back to me when I first “RoboCop” back in 1987 - I was thinking, “Hey man……this story seems really familiar.”

346 BigPapa  Fri, May 17, 2013 8:35:22am

Yesterday Beckazoid repeatedly said Blomberg has more money than Soros .

Coincidence?

347 lawhawk  Fri, May 17, 2013 8:35:37am

re: #342 Dr Lizardo

Blasphemer! You have ignored Gatchaman (Battle of the Planets/G Force)!

348 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, May 17, 2013 8:36:23am

re: #345 Dr Lizardo

LOLOLOL. I remember that one as well.

It really came back to me when I first “RoboCop” back in 1987 - I was thinking, “Hey man……this story seems really familiar.”

Well, it was a comic-book style movie that was also trying to deal with character pathos like anime often do. And slightly more complicated bad guy motivations than “evil is good”.

349 dragonath  Fri, May 17, 2013 8:37:48am

The Greatest, Drunkest Hits of Toronto’s (Alleged) Crack-Smoking Mayor

He received a DUI in 1999, but denied it during his mayoral campaign a decade later until the proof was presented.

In 2006, he was ejected from a Maple Leafs game for being drunk and belligerent. He allegedly asked another fan who complained, “Are you some kind of right wing Commie bastard?” (He tried to deny being at the game.)

In 2008, he said, “Those Oriental people work like dogs. They work their hearts out. They are workers non-stop. They sleep beside their machines. That’s why they’re successful in life. … I’m telling you, the Oriental people, they’re slowly taking over.”

That same month, he was arrested and charged with domestic assault after his wife called police, but the case was later dropped.
In 2010, he offered to help a sick man “score” OxyContin. During the taped phone conversation, he said, “Fuck, you know, I don’t know any drug dealers at all.

In 2011, he skipped a Canada Day pride parade in Toronto, on the grounds that his family always goes away for a family vacation on that holiday. Photos later surfaced showing him marching in another Canada Day parade just one year earlier.

In 2011, Ford called 911 after being ambushed by a crew from the comedy show This Hour Has 22 Minutes. During the call, he reportedly berated the operator saying, “You bitches! Don’t you fucking know? I’m Rob fucking Ford, the mayor of this city!

On St. Patrick’s Day 2012, Ford was escorted out of a restaurant after “storming the dance floor” and acting “like an idiot.” Staffers there described him as “incoherent and “hammered”

Last summer, pictures surfaced of a “disheleved” Ford posing for pictures with a bachelorette party.

In his spare time, Ford coaches football at Don Bosco Catholic Secondary School, whose players he has often demeaned in interviews. Many of the players come from underpriviliged backgrounds, and Ford claimed many of them would not go to school at all and would be dead or in jail, if it wasn’t for football.

Ford was nearly removed from office last year after making a questionable donation to the team, and for soliciting donations for the school from city lobbyists. There are also multiple instances of Ford leaving government events and even his own libel trial to coach the team. After one game, two city buses were diverted to pick up his team (that had been involved in a post-game brawl) stranding actual bus passengers in the rain.

In March of this year, former mayoral candidate Sarah Thomson claims Ford “grabbed my ass” while they were posing for a picture, and after he made a lewd suggestion to her. Thomson says she told a friend. “There’s something wrong with him. Rob doesn’t do that.”

Just three months ago, Ford was kicked out of a gala charity ball because organizers believed he was impaired.

He’s got a thing for magnets too.

350 Vicious Babushka  Fri, May 17, 2013 8:40:07am

re: #349 dragonath

The Greatest, Drunkest Hits of Toronto’s (Alleged) Crack-Smoking Mayor

He’s got a thing for magnets too.

Wow, I was just about to ask what fun things to do in Toronto (where we are going for Memorial Day weekend)

351 wrenchwench  Fri, May 17, 2013 8:40:13am

re: #344 Feline Fearless Leader

Well, I got clearance for some extended vacation time in late July-early August.

Any Lizard recommendations on things to see or do in the LA-SD area? I will be in Irvine initially to attend a convention and be flying in and out of the OC airport. I expect to have an additional 4-5 days free after the convention ends. Not sure yet whether to stay in one place and just run day-trips here and there with a rental car, or to hotel hop from place to place.

You need to post a Page. It’s apparently the thing to do with such inquiries.

352 Dr Lizardo  Fri, May 17, 2013 8:43:40am

re: #347 lawhawk

Blasphemer! You have ignored Gatchaman (Battle of the Planets/G Force)!

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Heh. I didn’t see that one until I got older, on video. It wasn’t being broadcast in L.A. during my formative years. If I remember correctly, it was either Channel 5 or Channel 9 in L.A. that used to play all the good stuff.

To hell with ABC’s Saturday Morning Cartoons when I could be watching “Godzilla vs. the Bionic Monster” instead. I’ll take MechaGodzilla anyday.

353 dragonath  Fri, May 17, 2013 8:43:52am

re: #345 Dr Lizardo

I found out that French Canada ended up getting a lot more Japanese TV translated into their language than most of America did. Kind of explains why there are so many anime fans up there.

354 Dr Lizardo  Fri, May 17, 2013 8:44:41am

re: #348 Feline Fearless Leader

Well, it was a comic-book style movie that was also trying to deal with character pathos like anime often do. And slightly more complicated bad guy motivations than “evil is good”.

Clarence Boddicker remains one of my favorite cinematic villains.

I know they’re doing a remake. I have my…….doubts.

355 efuseakay  Fri, May 17, 2013 8:46:15am

re: #354 Dr Lizardo

Clarence Boddicker remains one of my favorite cinematic villains.

I know they’re doing a remake. I have my…….doubts.

He better be, or you’re going to have a foot in your ass! *channeling Red Foreman*

356 BigPapa  Fri, May 17, 2013 8:46:29am

It’s pretty clear the GOP is engaging in scorched earth politics.

They have no inspiring leadership, no new fresh ideas to present to the country. The only thing new and fresh is reinvention of simplistic talking points on old ideas and a few new faces with ethnic last names, but who swear an allegiance to old school politics that trump their ethnic backgrounds.

This is why we can’t have nice things.

357 Joanne  Fri, May 17, 2013 8:46:57am

re: #349 dragonath

I read about this last night and am interested in seeing if anyone is going to pony up the six-figure sum to obtain the video of Ford smoking crack. Gawker said they saw the video and it is for reals.

358 dragonath  Fri, May 17, 2013 8:48:19am

re: #357 Joanne

I like this picture of him, very executive

Image: ford2.jpg

359 Dr Lizardo  Fri, May 17, 2013 8:49:49am

re: #355 efuseakay

He better be, or you’re going to have a foot in your ass! *channeling Red Foreman*

LOL. Kurtwood Smith is one of those really good, but underrated, actors.

Clarence Boddicker - the cerebral thug. Never has a man who looked like a tenth-grade math teacher been more menacing.

360 FemNaziBitch  Fri, May 17, 2013 8:50:48am

maytag repairman said between 10-12.

I’M WAITING!!!!!!!

361 efuseakay  Fri, May 17, 2013 8:51:37am

re: #359 Dr Lizardo

LOL. Kurtwood Smith is one of those really good, but underrated, actors.

Clarence Boddicker - the cerebral thug. Never has a man who looked like a tenth-grade math teacher been more menacing.

I still think Red Foreman was his best villain role. ;)

362 efuseakay  Fri, May 17, 2013 8:52:07am

re: #360 FemNaziBitch

maytag repairman said between 10am-12am.

I’M WAITING!!!!!!!

Check your schedule again! ;)

363 Vicious Babushka  Fri, May 17, 2013 8:52:35am

re: #360 FemNaziBitch

maytag repairman said between 10-12.

I’M WAITING!!!!!!!

Did he say what time zone?

364 Dr Lizardo  Fri, May 17, 2013 8:55:01am

re: #361 efuseakay

I still think Red Foreman was his best villain role. ;)

LOL! Red Foreman reminded me of my father. It was like he’d studied my dad to prep for the role!

365 Vicious Babushka  Fri, May 17, 2013 8:55:07am

According to the commercials that I watched as a kid, there is only ONE Maytag repair man in the whole wide world and he never works and he is very bored and lonely.

He must be retired by now. You should have called the GE repair man. GE appliances suck so the GE repair man is always busy and has a full schedule.

366 wrenchwench  Fri, May 17, 2013 9:02:09am
367 FemNaziBitch  Fri, May 17, 2013 9:04:02am

re: #365 Vicious Babushka

According to the commercials that I watched as a kid, there is only ONE Maytag repair man in the whole wide world and he never works and he is very bored and lonely.

He must be retired by now. You should have called the GE repair man. GE appliances suck so the GE repair man is always busy and has a full schedule.

NAH, they cloned him. There is one in every community now. My local clone was here just 2 months ago, so I know he’s around.

368 FemNaziBitch  Fri, May 17, 2013 9:06:40am

heees here!!!

369 Vicious Babushka  Fri, May 17, 2013 9:06:49am

re: #367 FemNaziBitch

NAH, they cloned him. There is one in every community now. My local clone was here just 2 months ago, so I know he’s around.

Whenever I call service on any of my appliances, NONE OF WHICH is a GE brand, it’s always the GE service that sends out a technician.

370 Vicious Babushka  Fri, May 17, 2013 9:07:50am

BTW there is no such thing as a KENMORE brand. That is just the Sears nameplate that they put on GE, Amana, Maytag, & Whirlpool appliances that are made for their store.

371 iossarian  Fri, May 17, 2013 9:12:42am

re: #366 wrenchwench

I’m at the point where I’m going to try not to pay any attention to anything any Republican-aligned person says again, until they prove they can speak anything other than self-serving hypocritical bullshit.

IRS “scandal”? Bullshit. Also, Bush had a bunch of DoJ people fired on political grounds.

Benghazi? Bullshit. Also, Republicans keep voting against funding for the security they now say was necessary.

AP records? Bullshit. Also, Republicans put into place the warrantless tapping that makes this kind of thing legal, and have opposed the restrictions that Democrats have been trying to put in place.

UMBRELLA OUTRAGE? Bullshit. Also, Dimwit McHalfterm has people hold umbrellas for her too.

A pattern, I see one.

372 Joanne  Fri, May 17, 2013 9:13:54am

re: #350 Vicious Babushka

Wow, I was just about to ask what fun things to do in Toronto (where we are going for Memorial Day weekend)

Go to the top of the CN Tower and play Laser Tag (right there at the CN Tower campus). Their Chinatown is the 2nd largest in Canada, too.

373 Vicious Babushka  Fri, May 17, 2013 9:14:57am

re: #372 Joanne

Go to the top of the CN Tower and play Laser Tag (right there at the CN Tower campus). Their Chinatown is the 2nd largest in Canada, too.

I have to think of something that is fun for my son’s family of split-headed Canadian kids.

I will go shopping and eat at fine restaurants!

374 Joanne  Fri, May 17, 2013 9:15:07am

re: #358 dragonath

I like this picture of him, very executive

Image: ford2.jpg

Plus, he is supposed to be a real douchenozzle. A corrupt asshole who has a God complex.

Charming…especially for Canada. We’re so downright polite.

375 Lidane  Fri, May 17, 2013 9:18:48am

Finally, an honest nutter:

376 Lidane  Fri, May 17, 2013 9:23:36am
377 Joanne  Fri, May 17, 2013 9:23:38am

re: #373 Vicious Babushka

I have to think of something that is fun for my son’s family of split-headed Canadian kids.

Then I will go shopping and eat at fine restaurants!

If you like Brazilian steakhouses (a la Texas de Brazil), go to The Red Violin. It is very small and intimate, and has nowhere near the offering of the larger ones, but of all the Churriscarias I have been to, it is by far and away the best.

Keep your paid parking receipt. I got a ticket while having a valid parking receipt in the window (and Canadian’s being so darned polite, removed the ticket over the phone when I told them I had the receipt that the parking ticket was valid when I got the ticket).

378 Joanne  Fri, May 17, 2013 9:24:55am

re: #375 Lidane

Finally, an honest nutter:

Looks like someone missed the memo.

379 Vicious Babushka  Fri, May 17, 2013 9:27:10am

re: #377 Joanne

If you like Brazilian steakhouses (a la Texas de Brazil), go to The Red Violin. It is very small and intimate, and has nowhere near the offering of the larger ones, but of all the Churriscarias I have been to, it is by far and away the best.

Keep your paid parking receipt. I got a ticket while having a valid parking receipt in the window (and Canadian’s being so darned polite, removed the ticket over the phone when I told them I had the receipt that the parking ticket was valid when I got the ticket).

We only go to kosher restaurants, of which there are many in Toronto. Sadly, our favorite deli (Marky’s) closed down last year.

380 Joanne  Fri, May 17, 2013 9:27:57am

re: #379 Vicious Babushka

Always a sad thing when a favorite restaurant shutters its doors.

381 Bear  Fri, May 17, 2013 9:30:36am

Happy May 17th to all. Norwegian Independence Day.

382 stabby  Fri, May 17, 2013 9:32:11am

re: #375 Lidane

Filed Under:

Black Men are Scary!

383 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, May 17, 2013 9:34:02am

re: #351 wrenchwench

You need to post a Page. It’s apparently the thing to do with such inquiries.

Good idea.

384 BigPapa  Fri, May 17, 2013 9:34:32am

re: #376 Lidane

I think it’s clear what the homosexual agenda is: they want to be treated like everybody else, not be considered as second class citizens.

Nothing the least bit sinister in that. I find the efforts to deny them respect more sinister.

385 stabby  Fri, May 17, 2013 9:38:27am

re: #384 BigPapa

I’ve noticed that it’s not oppression that makes people resentful and violent, it’s when someone pries your boot off of their neck that you start a civil war, strap suicide vest on and blow up mosques or temples etc. etc.

It wasn’t BLACK people who started the civil war.

386 jaunte  Fri, May 17, 2013 9:41:42am
387 Dr Lizardo  Fri, May 17, 2013 9:42:56am

And in world news, the French Constitutional Court has approved the recently passed same-sex marriage/gay adoption bill, paving the way for French President Francois Hollande to sign it into law next week.

inagist.com

388 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, May 17, 2013 9:46:05am

littlegreenfootballs.com

So now there are pages for “what to do” in Orange County, San Fransciso, and New York. I expect Texas, Florida, and Sheboygan, WI to get pages next. ;)

389 dragonath  Fri, May 17, 2013 9:47:18am
390 Vicious Babushka  Fri, May 17, 2013 9:48:18am

re: #388 Feline Fearless Leader

littlegreenfootballs.com

So now there are pages for “what to do” in Orange County, San Fransciso, and New York. I expect Texas, Florida, and Sheboygan, MI to get pages next. ;)

I am planning 2 vacations this year: Toronto next week and L.A. at (secular) New Year’s.

391 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Fri, May 17, 2013 9:49:24am

re: #374 Joanne

Plus, he is supposed to be a real douchenozzle. A corrupt asshole who has a God complex.

Charming…especially for Canada. We’re so downright polite.

Except during hockey games.

392 Mattand  Fri, May 17, 2013 9:49:47am

re: #388 Feline Fearless Leader

littlegreenfootballs.com

So now there are pages for “what to do” in Orange County, San Fransciso, and New York. I expect Texas, Florida, and Sheboygan, WI to get pages next. ;)

The one I’m doing for Freedonia will be up any day now.

(If this isn’t a softball setup for someone here, I’ll be very disappointed.)

393 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, May 17, 2013 9:50:10am

re: #390 Vicious Babushka

I am planning 2 vacations this year: Toronto next week and L.A. at (secular) New Year’s.

I am presuming that LA and SD suggestions can sort of fall into the Orange County list since it is between and close enough to the two cities.

394 Vicious Babushka  Fri, May 17, 2013 9:51:11am

re: #393 Feline Fearless Leader

I am presuming that LA and SD suggestions can sort of fall into the Orange County list since it is between and close enough to the two cities.

Disneyland is not so much fun if you are an older person.

395 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, May 17, 2013 9:51:13am

re: #392 Mattand

The one I’m doing for Freedonia will be up any day now.

(If this isn’t a softball setup for someone here, I’ll be very disappointed.)

We should start a Philadelphia one just as a public service. :)

396 dragonath  Fri, May 17, 2013 9:51:25am
397 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, May 17, 2013 9:52:02am

re: #394 Vicious Babushka

Disneyland is not so much fun if you are an older person.

I am planning on skipping Disneyland. Will be by myself and have been in sufficient amusement parks including Disneyworld previously.

398 Mattand  Fri, May 17, 2013 9:54:05am

re: #395 Feline Fearless Leader

We should start a Philadelphia one just as a public service. :)

LOL, great minds think alike! Gotta get Philly Pretzel in on it, too.

Mütter Museum, FTW!

Also, Franklin Court, and it’s mid-70’s, Land That Time Forgot underground museum.

399 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, May 17, 2013 9:54:56am

re: #392 Mattand

The one I’m doing for Freedonia will be up any day now.

(If this isn’t a softball setup for someone here, I’ll be very disappointed.)

Be sure to check out the FASA headquarters.

400 Mattand  Fri, May 17, 2013 9:55:43am

re: #399 William Barnett-Lewis

Be sure to check out the FASA headquarters.

Whatever that is, I’m against it.

401 Vicious Babushka  Fri, May 17, 2013 9:56:25am

MOAR CITIES:

London
Amsterdam
Prague
Moscow
Jerusalem

402 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, May 17, 2013 9:56:55am

re: #398 Mattand

LOL, great minds think alike! Gotta get Philly Pretzel in on it, too.

Mütter Museum, FTW!

Also, Franklin Court, and it’s mid-70’s, Land That Time Forgot underground museum.

Yep. Getting the Mutter on a list was one reason I made the suggestion in the first place. I also figure there are some good places on the NJ side of the river to suggest. (Besides the large hunk of floating steel that is hard to miss.)

403 Vicious Babushka  Fri, May 17, 2013 10:02:01am

UMBRELLAGATE!!11!!

404 Vicious Babushka  Fri, May 17, 2013 10:07:39am
405 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Fri, May 17, 2013 10:08:43am

re: #403 Vicious Babushka

Anybody else hear Rihanna’s repetitive and simplistic song ‘Umbrella’ when they see this latest ‘gate’ outrage?

406 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Fri, May 17, 2013 10:10:01am

re: #404 Vicious Babushka

F*n umbrellas, how do they work?

Ask Mary Poppins.

407 FemNaziBitch  Fri, May 17, 2013 10:12:27am

pin in the pump was all he could find. of course I don’t know what error code came after the big flashing F on the display.

I’m still tired and sick, so I’m going back to bed.

Have a good one all!

408 FemNaziBitch  Fri, May 17, 2013 10:13:03am

re: #370 Vicious Babushka

BTW there is no such thing as a KENMORE brand. That is just the Sears nameplate that they put on GE, Amana, Maytag, & Whirlpool appliances that are made for their store.

I know that. This is Chicago, everyone’s parents or grandparents retired from Sears.

409 blueraven  Fri, May 17, 2013 10:13:28am

re: #404 Vicious Babushka

F*n umbrellas, how do they work?

To be fair, I have had umbrellas do this on really windy days. Still funny though.

410 FemNaziBitch  Fri, May 17, 2013 10:14:54am

re: #390 Vicious Babushka

I am planning 2 vacations this year: Toronto next week and L.A. at (secular) New Year’s.

Toronto, I enjoyed Casa Loma and that was about it.

411 Vicious Babushka  Fri, May 17, 2013 10:15:15am

re: #408 FemNaziBitch

I know that. This is Chicago, everyone’s parents or grandparents retired from Sears.

I have a Kenmore gas stovetop. After 14 years, I had to unplug the starter switch because smoke and flames were coming up through the knobs.

412 FemNaziBitch  Fri, May 17, 2013 10:15:16am

re: #394 Vicious Babushka

Disneyland is not so much fun if you are an older person.

I think it is

413 FemNaziBitch  Fri, May 17, 2013 10:16:11am

bbl

414 klys and whatnot  Fri, May 17, 2013 10:20:13am

re: #394 Vicious Babushka

Disneyland is not so much fun if you are an older person.

I adore Disneyland and Disneyworld. My husband tolerates them for my sake.

He owes me a trip to Disneyworld because on our ‘fake’ honeymoon (the right after the wedding one, because Antarctica has been much more difficult to schedule) was to Key West and our agreement had been to do both Key West and Disney together. There was no Disney on the honeymoon.

We kind of want to drive the trailer out and stay at one of the campgrounds, but that’s probably a month-long road trip, minimum.

415 Vicious Babushka  Fri, May 17, 2013 10:21:07am

Wingnuts are tweeting this Dear Ronnie photo but they totally ignore this one and this one..

Dumb wingnuts, don’t know how to use Teh Googlez.

416 Gus  Fri, May 17, 2013 10:21:50am

You know who else had an umbrella?

417 klys and whatnot  Fri, May 17, 2013 10:22:25am

re: #415 Vicious Babushka

Wingnuts are tweeting this Dear Ronnie photo but they totally ignore this one and this one..

Dumb wingnuts, don’t know how to use Teh Googlez.

This is why I can’t take any of the rightwing outrage and cries of SCANDAL seriously.

418 Bulworth  Fri, May 17, 2013 10:23:55am

re: #415 Vicious Babushka

skewed!

/

419 Vicious Babushka  Fri, May 17, 2013 10:24:03am

re: #417 klys

This is why I can’t take any of the rightwing outrage and cries of SCANDAL seriously.

Biggest wingnut Google FAIL is the viral tweet that THEIR AR NO PHOTOS OF OBAMA LIKE THIS WUN UV BUSH HUGGING A SOLIDER!!11!!

420 Lidane  Fri, May 17, 2013 10:24:21am

This is a great story:

421 Dr Lizardo  Fri, May 17, 2013 10:25:12am

re: #416 Gus

You know who else had an umbrella?

Extras in Bladerunner?

422 Bulworth  Fri, May 17, 2013 10:25:21am

When will the umbrellagate talking points be released?

Why isn’t the WH being cooperative?!1??! /

423 iossarian  Fri, May 17, 2013 10:25:42am

re: #421 Dr Lizardo

Extras in Bladerunner?

Welsh civil servants in the 1950s?

424 iossarian  Fri, May 17, 2013 10:26:28am

re: #422 Bulworth

When will the umbrellagate talking points be released?

Why isn’t the WH being cooperative?!1??! /

Sriously, why won;t obummer cooperate with our atempts to Impeach him?

The commie swine.

425 Romantic Heretic  Fri, May 17, 2013 10:28:04am

re: #350 Vicious Babushka

Wow, I was just about to ask what fun things to do in Toronto (where we are going for Memorial Day weekend)

Hmmm.

Royal Ontario Museum Note: this might be very crowded. It’s very popular. Lots of semi-domesticated house apes.

Art Gallery of Ontario

Ontario Science Centre Note: this might also be very crowded.

Toronto Theatre District

The Distillery District I used to work here and it’s a wonderful place to spend an afternoon. A bit pricey though. One of the best microbreweries in Canada is established here.

Toronto Islands A lovely bit of greenery on the lake. A great place for a walk.

The Beach District. I live right near here. There’s a boardwalk on the Beach that makes for a lovely stroll. Queen Street is just north of it and there’s excellent restaurants and a number of eclectic shops.

I’ll post more if I think of anything.

426 Vicious Babushka  Fri, May 17, 2013 10:29:08am

re: #425 Romantic Heretic

Hmmm.

Royal Ontario Museum Note: this might be very crowded. It’s very popular. Lots of semi-domesticated house apes.

Art Gallery of Ontario

Ontario Science Centre Note: this might also be very crowded.

Toronto Theatre District

The Distillery District I used to work here and it’s a wonderful place to spend an afternoon. A bit pricey though. One of the best microbreweries in Canada is established here.

Toronto Islands A lovely bit of greenery on the lake. A great place for a walk.

The Beach District. I live right near here. There’s a boardwalk on the Beach that makes for a lovely stroll. Queen Street is just north of it and there’s excellent restaurants and a number of eclectic shops.

I’ll post more if I think of anything.

Is there a zoo?

427 Gus  Fri, May 17, 2013 10:29:15am

re: #421 Dr Lizardo

Extras in Bladerunner?

The Penguin

428 Bulworth  Fri, May 17, 2013 10:29:16am

Looking at the CNN.com right now and there’s not one friggin BENGHAXI!! story!!

I wonder if the fact that Pickering and Mullen have said they’d like to testify publicly before Congress has had anything to do with why RWNJ are suddenly talking about umbrellas now instead of BENGHAZII!!

Hey, I’m just asking ??

429 Mattand  Fri, May 17, 2013 10:29:38am

re: #415 Vicious Babushka

Wingnuts are tweeting this Dear Ronnie photo but they totally ignore this one and this one..

Dumb wingnuts, don’t know how to use Teh Googlez.

The problem with this line of argument is that there aren’t any Marines in those photos. I’m sure Reagan and both Bushes at one point had Marines hold umbrellas over them. Unfortunately, there are no photos to back it up.

Remember: you’re dealing with people who are essentially racists and believe shit like creationism.

430 Bulworth  Fri, May 17, 2013 10:30:35am

re: #429 Mattand

The Romney campaign should use the umbrella pic.

431 Romantic Heretic  Fri, May 17, 2013 10:31:36am

re: #342 Dr Lizardo

Heh. I wonder if the otaku will like it.

I count myself among the first gen of US anime fandom; my childhood heroes wasn’t just Steve Austin; Derek Wildstar, Speed Racer, Kimba, UltraMan, and of course, Godzilla, Rodan, and Ghidorah were all represented. I was watching “Star Blazers” etc., since I was probably five years old, at least.

The second gen comes with “Akira”, but it wasn’t until the third gen, stuff like “InuYasha” “Dragonball Z” “Sailor Moon” and “Pokemon” that anime and other aspects of Japanese pop culture suddenly went mainstream in the US. Hell, even in the Czech city of Brno there’s an anime store, so now it’s gone worldwide.

I was a Macross fan in the first wave. Haven’t paid much attention to it since. Except for the Hellsing OVA, which really fucking rocked.

Although I did find a place to watch quite a number of anime series and OVAs recently.

432 Bulworth  Fri, May 17, 2013 10:32:01am

re: #429 Mattand

Reagan also never used a teleprompter and Obummer teleprompters all the time. /

433 Tigger2  Fri, May 17, 2013 10:32:18am

re: #428 Bulworth

Looking at the CNN.com right now and there’s not one friggin BENGHAXI!! story!!

I wonder if the fact that Pickering and Mullen have said they’d like to testify publicly before Congress has had anything to do with why RWNJ are suddenly talking about umbrellas now instead of BENGHAZII!!

Hey, I’m just asking ??

Yeah that’s prob part of it the other part is they also have attention spans of 2 yr olds.

434 Gus  Fri, May 17, 2013 10:32:50am

re: #415 Vicious Babushka

Wingnuts are tweeting this Dear Ronnie photo but they totally ignore this one and this one..

Dumb wingnuts, don’t know how to use Teh Googlez.

Hah! I knew it. There used to be and still is this dumb state of mind on the part of some idiots that an umbrella is not something for men. Usually these total losers think that umbrellas are well, gay.

436 Romantic Heretic  Fri, May 17, 2013 10:33:46am

re: #426 Vicious Babushka

Is there a zoo?

Oh yes. There is a zoo. It’s quite a good one, although it’s suffering somewhat from cheap governments at all levels. I haven’t been in years but my parents went often and had to stop because the entrance fees became exorbitant.

437 Lidane  Fri, May 17, 2013 10:33:52am

Hmm. Looks familiar:

438 Mattand  Fri, May 17, 2013 10:34:29am

re: #432 Bulworth

Reagan also never used a teleprompter and Obummer teleprompters all the time. /

LOL, I actually confronted my former wingnut FB acquaintance about that. Never answered.

What was worse was that he was going after Michelle Obama for using one on Nickelodeon kids’ award show.

A really smart guy who was blind to just how deranged he had become.

439 Vicious Babushka  Fri, May 17, 2013 10:34:44am

re: #434 Gus

Hah! I knew it. There used to be and still is this dumb state of mind on the part of some idiots that an umbrella is not something for men. Usually these total losers think that umbrella are well, gay.

This POTUS refused to use an umbrella and then he got dead.

440 Bulworth  Fri, May 17, 2013 10:35:28am

re: #434 Gus

PBO is a gay radical marxism muslim who had his gay lovers in Chicago killed.

Confirmed. FACT.

/

441 Kragar  Fri, May 17, 2013 10:36:11am

Keyes: Obama Working with Terrorists to Introduce Martial Law

Speaking with Stan Solomon on Wednesday, Keyes maintained that Obama “could very well be working a strategy that collaborates with and comports with the strategy of the very people who are trying to kill us,” with the goal of bringing America down and “destroying our way of life.”

By collaborating with terrorists to allow these attacks, Keyes continued, Obama will be able to consolidate “the tools and instruments that would be needed to fasten the structure of martial law and totalitarian tyranny on this country by force.”

He concluded that the “implementation of a terrorist strategy [is] aimed at producing the very kind of disorder, confusion, fear and anger that would then provide an excuse for that fastening on the country of martial law.”

442 Tigger2  Fri, May 17, 2013 10:37:19am

re: #440 Bulworth

PBO is a gay radical marxism muslim who had his gay lovers in Chicago killed.

Confirmed. FACT.

/

You forgot the true leader of Al Qaeda. /

443 Kragar  Fri, May 17, 2013 10:37:43am

Beck: Release of AP and IRS Scandals Timed to Cover-Up Benghazi

For Glenn Beck, anything that doesn’t quite fit into the grand global narrative that he has concocted and that only he understands must therefore be part of some effort to distract people from that very narrative.

Thus, the release of information about the current IRS and AP scandals must itself have been orchestrated by the White House itself in order to draw attention away from Benghazi because that “is literally where the bodies are buried”:

444 Romantic Heretic  Fri, May 17, 2013 10:37:46am

re: #358 dragonath

I like this picture of him, very executive

Image: ford2.jpg

Here’s a video of him in action.

445 Joanne  Fri, May 17, 2013 10:37:53am

re: #391 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

Except during hockey games.

Yeah, how does that work? Hockey is practically a religion, too. :-)

446 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, May 17, 2013 10:38:23am

re: #416 Gus

You know who else had an umbrella?

The Penguin!

447 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, May 17, 2013 10:39:16am

re: #425 Romantic Heretic

Hockey Hall of Fame?

448 Lidane  Fri, May 17, 2013 10:39:39am

re: #443 Kragar

Beck: Release of AP and IRS Scandals Timed to Cover-Up Benghazi

FALSE FLAG! REICHSTAG FIRE! ELEVENTY!

449 ProTARDISLiberal  Fri, May 17, 2013 10:40:35am

Okay, my Mom is insisting that the PA who met with me to change meds saying that Obamacare will hurt healthcare in the US must have a kernel of truth, and trying to use the Golden Middle Fallacy, that the truth is somewhere in the middle.

I am correct in saying that most of that caterwauling is bullshit, correct? Granted, I want single payer, but Obamacare is at least a step in the right direction.

450 ProTARDISLiberal  Fri, May 17, 2013 10:42:12am

re: #441 Kragar

Oh look, the guy who sold his soul to the devil to defend Apartheid South Africa.

451 Joanne  Fri, May 17, 2013 10:43:32am

re: #425 Romantic Heretic

You forgot the Shoe Museum!

452 Bulworth  Fri, May 17, 2013 10:44:31am

re: #441 Kragar

If PBO wants to impose martial law can’t he Just. Do. It. ??

That’s the problem with all these RWNJ conspiracies. First, the conspiracy is so secret RWNJ dumbasses are able to find out about them, and then for some reason, the actual conspiracy never happens or is being delayed for some reason.

453 Dr Lizardo  Fri, May 17, 2013 10:46:06am

re: #431 Romantic Heretic

I was a Macross fan in the first wave. Haven’t paid much attention to it since. Except for the Hellsing OVA, which really fucking rocked.

Although I did find a place to watch quite a number of anime series and OVAs recently.

I will have to check that out.

Here’s one that I enjoyed, and it sure made me laugh quite often, despite the…..unusual storyline. MariaHolic.

454 Bulworth  Fri, May 17, 2013 10:46:30am

re: #448 Lidane

Beck’s a shitragger.

Damn, how’d I survive so long without using that word? Thanks, Wonkette.

455 Romantic Heretic  Fri, May 17, 2013 10:47:49am

re: #447 Feline Fearless Leader

Hockey Hall of Fame?

I’m a bad Canadian. I don’t care for hockey at all. The last time I paid any attention was the first Canada/Russia series.

I made a nice chunk of change betting on the Russians. I knew nothing about hockey but I knew Russia had ten times as many people as Canada and their winters are just as bad as ours. They were bound to have a few good hockey players.

Plus everyone was, “We’ll kick their commie asses!” Other people have said the same thing, and history doesn’t remember them fondly.

456 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, May 17, 2013 10:48:17am

Dear CNN,

I don’t care that Bernard Madoff is having trouble sleeping while lying there in prison for running a massive Ponzi scheme and ruining a bunch of people’s lives. No pity from me.

Why are you spending time covering the current activities of this piece of scum?

458 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, May 17, 2013 10:53:28am

re: #455 Romantic Heretic

I’m a bad Canadian. I don’t care for hockey at all. The last time I paid any attention was the first Canada/Russia series.

I made a nice chunk of change betting on the Russians. I knew nothing about hockey but I knew Russia had ten times as many people as Canada and their winters are just as bad as ours. They were bound to have a few good hockey players.

Plus everyone was, “We’ll kick their commie asses!” Other people have said the same thing, and history doesn’t remember them fondly.

During the 1980 Olympics friends of my father had tickets for the ice hockey final and traded them a few days before for tickets to the 4-man bobsled event. This was done in part due to one of the 4-man bobsled teams coming to ALCOA at the plant close to Lake Placid for engineering help in modifying their sled.*

Lo’ and behold. The US beats the Russians and makes the final. And then the bobsled team gets an option to buy a sled off a European team and does so. Double whammy. So a bunch of us went and watched bobsled while the US won the gold in ice hockey.

* - I have a framed photo in a closet somewhere of that sled going down the course in Lake Placid in an ALCOA paint scheme during a training run.

459 Vicious Babushka  Fri, May 17, 2013 10:57:29am
460 Mattand  Fri, May 17, 2013 10:57:30am

re: #449 ProTARDISLiberal

Okay, my Mom is insisting that the PA who met with me to change meds saying that Obamacare will hurt healthcare in the US must have a kernel of truth, and trying to use the Golden Middle Fallacy, that the truth is somewhere in the middle.

I am correct in saying that most of that caterwauling is bullshit, correct? Granted, I want single payer, but Obamacare is at least a step in the right direction.

I’m trying to work through that, too. My girlfriend’s mother, who lives down south and watches Fox News 8 hours a day, insists that her doctor is saying the same thing.

Needless to say, I don’t believe one friggin’ word she is saying. She can be a very bigoted, hateful, narrow-minded monster on the best of days. Now picture that personality with a black Democrat running the country.

And at the end of the day: Republicans pushed for the personal mandate for nearly two decades until the scary black man said, “Let’s do it.”

461 Dr. Matt  Fri, May 17, 2013 10:59:59am

I miss the Birth Certificate and Whitey Tape outrages. I’m sooooooo bored with the Benghazi and IRS bullshit.

462 Vicious Babushka  Fri, May 17, 2013 11:00:51am

re: #461 Dr. Matt

I miss the Birth Certificate and Whitey Tape outrages. I’m sooooooo bored with the Benghazi and IRS bullshit.

BUT TEH UMBRELLAZ!!11!!

463 122 Year Old Obama  Fri, May 17, 2013 11:01:22am

re: #461 Dr. Matt

ACORN!!!11TY

464 iossarian  Fri, May 17, 2013 11:01:24am

re: #459 Vicious Babushka

I’m afraid I have lost the ability to be surprised that reality does not align with right-wing scandal narratives.

465 klys and whatnot  Fri, May 17, 2013 11:02:29am

re: #460 Mattand

I’m trying to work through that, too. My girlfriend’s mother, who lives down south and watches Fox News 8 hours a day, insists that her doctor is saying the same thing.

Needless to say, I don’t believe one friggin’ word she is saying. She can be a very bigoted, hateful, narrow-minded monster on the best of days. Now picture that personality with a black Democrat running the country.

And at the end of the day: Republicans pushed for the personal mandate for nearly two decades until the scary black man said, “Let’s do it.”

I think it’s worth remembering that doctors are people too, with all the political biases that can entail. Until someone lays out actual, concrete ways that Obamacare is going to harm healthcare, I don’t buy it. Even if the person saying so is a doctor. Especially if they are a doctor, they should be able to give concrete examples when asked - and explain how this is different than the current status quo.

466 Mattand  Fri, May 17, 2013 11:04:23am

re: #461 Dr. Matt

I miss the Birth Certificate and Whitey Tape outrages. I’m sooooooo bored with the Benghazi and IRS bullshit.

I just had to deal with a birther on FB the other night.

Amazingly enough, she apologized and removed the post, citing “drinking while Facebooking” as the culprit.

I told her:

1) I’m a nobody, so no apology to me is necessary.
2) If you don’t like Obama, and think he’s the worst POTUS ever, fine. Just stop with the birther shit. It’s born of racism and bigotry, and we can do better as Americans.

She actually agreed with that. Maybe there’s hope. Who knows?

467 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, May 17, 2013 11:04:24am
468 stabby  Fri, May 17, 2013 11:06:15am

re: #464 iossarian

I’m afraid I have lost the ability to be surprised that reality does not align with right-wing scandal narratives.

If you’re saying that and it’s not 2009, you’re kinda slow.

469 Kragar  Fri, May 17, 2013 11:06:25am

Texas Judge Forbids Lesbian Woman From Living With Her Partner

According to Price, Judge John Roach, a Republican who presides over a state trial court in McKinney, Texas, placed a so-called “morality clause” in Compton’s divorce papers. This clause forbids Compton having a person that she is not related to “by blood or marriage” at her home past 9pm when her children are present. Because Texas will not allow Compton to marry her partner, this means that she effectively cannot live with her partner so long as she retains custody over her children. Invoking the “morality clause,” Judge Roach gave Price 30 days to move out of Compton’s home.

Time to move the fuck out of Texas.

470 Mattand  Fri, May 17, 2013 11:07:51am

re: #465 klys

True, doctors are human, like everyone else. Maybe I’m being unfair here, but something bugs me about Republican doctors

For me, the issue is that they’ve supposedly sworn to uphold the Hippocratic Oath, yet support a political party that clearly is okay with doing harm to certain groups of Americans.

471 Sionainn  Fri, May 17, 2013 11:08:01am

re: #441 Kragar

Keyes: Obama Working with Terrorists to Introduce Martial Law

Oh, geez, not the good ol’ “martial law” thing. There was a nutjob friend of the family who was going on and on about how Bill Clinton was going to declare martial law so that he could continue being president. I bet him $100 he was wrong. Unfortunately, I never saw him again so I was unable to collect my $100. LOL.

472 klys and whatnot  Fri, May 17, 2013 11:08:40am

re: #469 Kragar

Texas Judge Forbids Lesbian Woman From Living With Her Partner

Time to move the fuck out of Texas.

Did this asshole parading as a judge also place the same “morality clause” in the conditions for the ex-husband, who sounds like an equal asshole (rarely sees the children, was charged with felony stalking)?

I need to go break something.

473 A Mom Anon  Fri, May 17, 2013 11:10:47am

re: #449 ProTARDISLiberal

Well, there’s two good things for you in this already.

First,(and I’m assuming something here, so correct me if I am wrong)you are still able to be on your parents’ health insurance instead of being booted off when you turn 18.

Second, your Aspergers could have been used against you as a pre-existing condition before the ACA, now it’s not legal to do that

The truth is though, that the whole plan hasn’t been implemented yet, so the people raising hell have no idea what is going to happen.

White House .gov has a whole section devoted to the Affordable Care Act, including a timetable of what’s been implemented and what will be and when. It’s worth a look.

474 dragonath  Fri, May 17, 2013 11:11:20am

re: #439 Vicious Babushka

This POTUS refused to use an umbrella and then he got dead.

If he was really manly, he would have shown up to the inauguration naked!

475 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, May 17, 2013 11:11:41am

re: #469 Kragar

Texas Judge Forbids Lesbian Woman From Living With Her Partner

Time to move the fuck out of Texas.

I’d be willing to bet this Judge is a regular church going, Jesus loving Christian who actually thinks he’s doing this woman a FAVOR by this action.

476 iossarian  Fri, May 17, 2013 11:12:49am

re: #468 stabby

If you’re saying that and it’s not 2009, you’re kinda slow.

You know, I try to be open-minded. I actually thought the IRS thing was worse than it is.

Just goes to show:

477 Vicious Babushka  Fri, May 17, 2013 11:13:07am

SO MUCH Umbrella outrage (umbrellage)

478 Kragar  Fri, May 17, 2013 11:13:25am

re: #475 Eclectic Cyborg

I’d be willing to bet this Judge is a regular church going, Jesus loving Christian who actually thinks he’s doing this woman a FAVOR by this action. asshole

Fixed, same idea with fewer words.

479 A Mom Anon  Fri, May 17, 2013 11:15:41am

re: #477 Vicious Babushka

UMBRAGE!!!! SEVERE UMBRAGE STORMTRACKER 2013!!!

Good lord these people need a freaking life outside the internet. Holy Crap. What freaking babies (apologies to actual infants who behave far better than these idiots).

480 Bulworth  Fri, May 17, 2013 11:15:44am

From Wonkette, via Vicious Babushka:

First, a disclaimer: We, like you, are so. Fucking. Tired! of Benghazi. If Republicans had just taken our advice, they would not be suffering in the polls because they are wasting everyone’s time, and we would not be weeping into our latte because we have to keep struggling to wring a few drops of funny out of this fucking nothingburger of a non-anything story. But this was too good to pass up: Not only were the “smoking gun” Benghazi emails that leaked this week actually devoid of anything that could be called a “smoking gun,” we now know that a) they were mostly just made up, and b) they came directly from unnamed Republican sources.

Yes, really, some idiot(s) flat re-wrote parts of the emails, then presented these exquisite works of fiction to the press as evidence of a cover-up. They did this to make the emails more scandalish, except the “scandal” they wanted to play up was “the State Department wanted to cover its ass,” which is not so much a scandal as, HELLO my name is Politics, have we met before?! Is this your first rodeo, too? Salon reminds us that the last time something like this happened, heads rolled; are you holding your breath for that to happen this time? We are not.

That’s some damn funny shit. So much Win.

Read more at wonkette.com

481 dragonath  Fri, May 17, 2013 11:16:22am

Teddy Roosevelts manly adventures with umbrellas:

White House, June 24, 1906.

DARLING ETHEL:
To-day as I was marching to church, with Sloane some 25 yards behind, I suddenly saw two terriers racing to attack a kitten which was walking down the sidewalk. I bounced forward with my umbrella, and after some active work put to flight the dogs while Sloane captured the kitten, which was a friendly, helpless little thing, evidently too well accustomed to being taken care of to know how to shift for itself.

That’s right- saving kittens from fierce predators before you were even born.

Image: 19.gif

482 Kragar  Fri, May 17, 2013 11:16:36am

And if I get one more braindead bible thumping relative ask me if my Dad was SAVED before he died, I’m going to fucking snap.

483 Political Atheist  Fri, May 17, 2013 11:18:03am

re: #464 iossarian

I’m afraid I have lost the ability to be surprised that reality does not align with right-wing scandal narratives.

Does that leave this information as debunked of false?

Joseph Grant, commissioner of the I.R.S.’s tax-exempt and government-entities division, announced Thursday that he, too, would be leaving in the next month. But Republicans jumped on news Thursday evening that Mr. Grant’s predecessor, Sarah Hall Ingram, who led the division when the targeting operation began, is now in charge of the I.R.S. division overseeing implementation of parts of the president’s health care law.

484 Bulworth  Fri, May 17, 2013 11:18:18am

re: #462 Vicious Babushka

And what about the SAUDI NATIONAL!!?!!!>?11111>>!!111

485 klys and whatnot  Fri, May 17, 2013 11:18:20am

re: #470 Mattand

True, doctors are human, like everyone else. Maybe I’m being unfair here, but something bugs me about Republican doctors

For me, the issue is that they’ve supposedly sworn to uphold the Hippocratic Oath, yet support a political party that clearly is okay with doing harm to certain groups of Americans.

I think (for me) trying to apply the Hippocratic Oath to political issues is a bit of a stretch.

That was a fun Wikipedia rabbit hole, though, reading about the oath and modern versions of it.

486 Kragar  Fri, May 17, 2013 11:18:42am

Steve King: Benghazi Cover-Up ‘Surpasses Watergate’

Please proceed.

The funniest thing is they still think people are listening to them.

487 Eventual Carrion  Fri, May 17, 2013 11:19:20am

re: #410 FemNaziBitch

Toronto, I enjoyed Casa Loma and that was about it.

That place was great. We got the package with 10 or so attractions around the city last time I was there. Was a fun time.

488 A Mom Anon  Fri, May 17, 2013 11:20:01am

re: #482 Kragar

I’d tell them he pledged loyalty to Satan and a hoard of demons before he died, and he personally gave a hearty Fuck You to the person asking.

But hey, I’m kinda bitchy around the edges so YMMV.

489 Gus  Fri, May 17, 2013 11:20:23am
490 Vicious Babushka  Fri, May 17, 2013 11:20:51am

re: #482 Kragar

And if I get one more braindead bible thumping relative ask me if my Dad was SAVED before he died, I’m going to fucking snap.

I had some total fucking stranger call me on the phone to ask if I, or any of my dad’s surviving loved ones, wanted consolation about the saving grace of JEZUS. I said HOW DID YOU GET THIS PHONE NUMBER? He said he read the L.A. Times obituary and then looked up my number online. He apparently spends all his time reading obits of non-Christians and then harassing their loved ones.

Fucking jackal.

491 dragonath  Fri, May 17, 2013 11:21:19am

re: #489 Gus

judgeroach.org

I believe I have developed a reputation for being knowledgeable of the law, fair and firm. Above all, I strictly follow the law the way it was written by the Legislature rather than make it from the bench.

Ha.

492 iossarian  Fri, May 17, 2013 11:21:40am

re: #483 Political Atheist

Does that leave this information as debunked of false?

I don’t give a shit any more.

Republicans have fucked up too many times for me to pay any real attention. Maybe the IRS guys were dressed as pimps and misused ACORN’s resources so that they could bomb BENGHAZI while Obama cheated at golf or something?

Tomorrow’s news story will presumably be about how the black president is still black and evil.

493 Dr Lizardo  Fri, May 17, 2013 11:22:19am

re: #490 Vicious Babushka

I had some total fucking stranger call me on the phone to ask if I, or any of my dad’s surviving loved ones, wanted consolation about the saving grace of JEZUS. I said HOW DID YOU GET THIS PHONE NUMBER? He said he read the L.A. Times obituary and then looked up my number online. He apparently spends all his time reading obits of non-Christians and then harassing their loved ones.

Fucking jackal.

Like the old saying goes, “Jesus! Save me from your followers!”

494 jaunte  Fri, May 17, 2013 11:23:24am

Here we go again.

Warren opposes derivatives bills with House traction

Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) announced her opposition to a set of bills easing derivatives requirements that garnered heavy bipartisan support in the House, arguing it is “no time to go backwards” on financial reform.

Warren is now throwing her high profile into what may be an uphill battle to prevent the changes to the Dodd-Frank financial reform law, as the House Financial Services cleared the measures with overwhelming support from both parties.

But Warren contended Thursday that the bills are an attempt by Wall Street to roll back the law, and that it was “dangerous” to consider rolling back any Dodd-Frank provisions without strengthening financial reform at the same time.

495 Bulworth  Fri, May 17, 2013 11:23:53am

On the other hand, there was an article in the NYT today about the GOP response to the “scandals”, which included this little snippet:

Even the most ardent conservatives adopt a tone of sobriety.

Conservatives. Tone. Sobriety.

Yeah. It’s enough to make one start drinking before noon.

nytimes.com

496 Kragar  Fri, May 17, 2013 11:24:09am

re: #490 Vicious Babushka

I had some total fucking stranger call me on the phone to ask if I, or any of my dad’s surviving loved ones, wanted consolation about the saving grace of JEZUS. I said HOW DID YOU GET THIS PHONE NUMBER? He said he read the L.A. Times obituary and then looked up my number online. He apparently spends all his time reading obits of non-Christians and then harassing their loved ones.

Fucking jackal.

4 days after he died, a guy showed up at my mom’s doorstep and said he would take $100k+ worth of motorcycles and parts off her hands that afternoon for $20k.

She told him to get off the porch before she called the cops.

497 Political Atheist  Fri, May 17, 2013 11:25:37am

re: #492 iossarian

I see. since the Republicans lie and exaggerate, the correct place to be is ignoring any and all indications of error from from administration. He gets immunity, not just from imagined or exaggerated mistakes as he should, but the real ones too. That does explain a few things.

498 iossarian  Fri, May 17, 2013 11:25:39am

re: #495 Bulworth

When I think “energized GOP” I think of a fat aging white guy with a small hard-on in Bangkok.

499 Vicious Babushka  Fri, May 17, 2013 11:26:43am

re: #498 iossarian

When I think “energized GOP” I think of a fat aging white guy with a small hard-on in Bangkok.

You misspelled Dominican Republic.

500 Eventual Carrion  Fri, May 17, 2013 11:26:51am

re: #467 Eclectic Cyborg

One of the funniest things I’ve seen all month.

I always miss that one since I do the “Race for INXS”

501 lawhawk  Fri, May 17, 2013 11:27:01am

Woman showing off her brand new rifle to a friend accidentally kills herself in process as she’s handing the rifle to her husband. It’s a rifle that looks like an AK-47, but the specific model wasn’t known.

Anastasia was walking back down the stairs into the garage when she reached out to hand the rifle to her husband, Shane Adair, who was below her on the stairs. The gun fired, striking her in the head, two witnesses and the husband told police.

Shane Adair told police he’s not sure if he touched the gun as his wife reached out to hand it to him, Federal Heights Police Lt. Gary Toldness said. The gun fired a second time as the wounded woman fell forward on the stairs and her husband caught her in his arms, but that shot didn’t hit anyone, police said.

Anastasia was transported by ambulance to Denver Health Medical Center, where she was pronounced dead, Toldness said.

The incident occurred around 10:40 p.m. Tuesday.

The trajectory of the fatal shot appears consistent with witnesses’ accounts of an accidental shooting, Federal Heights Police Lt. Gary Toldness said. But he said that the investigation continues and it may take months to complete ballistics tests and analysis of the bullet trajectory.

Toldness said the couple had been firing the rifle the day before the fatal shooting and Shane Adair told investigators it had a light trigger pull.

502 stabby  Fri, May 17, 2013 11:27:09am

re: #498 iossarian

Named Limbaugh. What’s his real first name, by the way?

503 iossarian  Fri, May 17, 2013 11:27:13am

re: #497 Political Atheist

I see. since the Republicans lie and exaggerate, the correct place to be is ignoring any and all indications of error from from administration. He gets immunity, not just from imagined or exaggerated mistakes, but the real ones too. That does explain a few things.

Pretty much. Go ahead, convince me otherwise.

I only have so much bandwidth. If people want to fill it with BENGHAZI BENGHAZI BENGHAZI that’s their call.

Is that bad? Yes. The culprits, however, are squarely on the right.

504 A Mom Anon  Fri, May 17, 2013 11:27:53am

re: #496 Kragar

Good for your Mom. What the hell is wrong with people? Heaven knows I lack a lot of social skills at times, but it would NEVER occur to me to just walk up to a family that had just lost their Father and try to scam a widow out of her husband’s stuff. I probably would have pushed him down the stairs.

Bitchy around the edges, yep, that’s me.

505 Kragar  Fri, May 17, 2013 11:29:25am

Meanwhile, one motorcycle gang and one biker bar have come forward saying they would both like to house the urn for my Dad’s remains so he would always be part of their clubs.

506 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, May 17, 2013 11:29:26am

ITALIAN POLICE RAID HACKERS WHO TOOK ON VATICAN

ROME, Italy (AFP) - Italian police on Friday arrested four alleged hackers believed to belong to the activist group Anonymous for attacking websites, including those of the Vatican and the parliament in Rome.

The four have been placed under house arrest and communications police carried out a dozen raids.

They are suspected of launching computer attacks on “strategic and institutional infrastructure” — often for their own illicit personal ends.

507 Political Atheist  Fri, May 17, 2013 11:29:46am

re: #503 iossarian

Ignoring or calling out the lies and exaggerations and keeping a loyalty to the truth of events wherever that may lead should at least be an option.

508 stabby  Fri, May 17, 2013 11:31:52am

re: #469 Kragar

Texas Judge Forbids Lesbian Woman From Living With Her Partner

Time to move the fuck out of Texas.

When I look at places like Iran I sometimes think the world needs well armed, fearsome atheist/agnostic gangs to get revenge on all of the religious judges, religious police etc. etc. on behalf of all the families they victimize.

509 Bulworth  Fri, May 17, 2013 11:32:34am

re: #505 Kragar

When did your dad pass? I knew things weren’t well. I’m sorry to hear of your loss.

510 Kragar  Fri, May 17, 2013 11:34:19am

re: #509 Bulworth

When did your dad pass? I knew things weren’t well. I’m sorry to hear of your loss.

May 4th, around 2:00 am

511 iossarian  Fri, May 17, 2013 11:34:33am

re: #507 Political Atheist

Ignoring or calling out the lies and exaggerations and keeping a loyalty to the truth of events wherever that may lead should at least be an option.

Oh yes. I’m sure it will lead to some terrible truth that will finally convince me to vote for the women, black, gay, non-christian-hating, climate-change-denying, scientifically-illiterate people.

Because someone got promoted in the IRS or something.

512 Romantic Heretic  Fri, May 17, 2013 11:35:30am

re: #465 klys

I think it’s worth remembering that doctors are people too, with all the political biases that can entail. Until someone lays out actual, concrete ways that Obamacare is going to harm healthcare, I don’t buy it. Even if the person saying so is a doctor. Especially if they are a doctor, they should be able to give concrete examples when asked - and explain how this is different than the current status quo.

Here’s an excellent article dealing with the myths of Canadian healthcare. Here’s the second part.

513 krypto  Fri, May 17, 2013 11:36:35am

I am still wondering why it even matters what changes were made in the talking points.

The “four dead Americans” were already dead, and the talking points didn’t have any significant effect on anything, although the GOP is trying hard to invent some way to claim otherwise.

The only reason I can see why the talking points would seem to actually matter to Republicans, although not much to anyone else, is as one more excuse for losing the election — i.e., to be able to claim to their base that they lost because Obama “lied” about Benghazi just when Romney (who was in fact looking desperately for some weakness in Obama’s foreign affairs successes to exploit, and said so in those Mother Jones videos) had one he could use.

514 Romantic Heretic  Fri, May 17, 2013 11:38:48am

re: #482 Kragar

And if I get one more braindead bible thumping relative ask me if my Dad was SAVED before he died, I’m going to fucking snap.

Next time tell them, “If you don’t stop bothering me you can ask him for yourself.”

515 stabby  Fri, May 17, 2013 11:39:27am

I wonder how many years it will be until textbooks of American History say that the Republicans were primarily motivated by racism during the Obama administration.

Because looking back at the first black president, historians will know that. Eventually they’ll say it.

516 Political Atheist  Fri, May 17, 2013 11:41:26am

re: #511 iossarian

Oh yes. I’m sure it will lead to some terrible truth that will finally convince me to vote for the women, black, gay, non-christian-hating, climate-change-denying, scientifically-illiterate people.

Because someone got promoted in the IRS or something.

Or you could just view this administration and the next, and the next on it’s own merits or lack thereof. You sound like I’m trying to defend the Republicans or something. If you think I am you are misreading between the lines.

517 Kragar  Fri, May 17, 2013 11:41:46am

re: #514 Romantic Heretic

Next time tell them, “If you don’t stop bothering me you can ask him for yourself.”

I’m going to send them cards of this:

Image: thor-v-jesus_o_1175060.jpg

518 iossarian  Fri, May 17, 2013 11:48:39am

re: #516 Political Atheist

Or you could just view this administration and the next, and the next on it’s own merits or lack thereof. You sound like I’m trying to defend the Republicans or something. If you think I am you are misreading between the lines.

No, I’m simply pointing out that I have a pretty binary decision to make, and I’m not very likely to vote for the guys who want my wife to spend 4 days a month in a sanitized yurt.

What is the latest claim, anyway, that the IRS promoted someone? Is that it?

519 Political Atheist  Fri, May 17, 2013 11:52:57am

re: #518 iossarian

The report is the person from IRS that was most responsible for the mistakes is now heading up something for Obama care. Details and implications still coming in.

520 iossarian  Fri, May 17, 2013 11:56:29am

re: #519 Political Atheist

Details and implications still coming in.

Are these real details and implications, or are they being fabricated for our consumption by Republican operatives?

521 Bulworth  Fri, May 17, 2013 12:50:52pm

I see CBS is busting the GOP’s chops for the email crap. I wonder what CBS’ professional concern troll, Sheryl Atkisson has to say about this? She’s long had many, very Very Concerns about Benghazi-gate.


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