Little Green Footballs: Week in Review

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1 Kragar  Sun, May 19, 2013 9:49:20pm

Not one mention of Umbrella-gate?

COVER UP!!!!

2 Tigger2  Sun, May 19, 2013 10:03:06pm

That’s a whole lot of crazy listed there.

The Republican party is not a party of ideas anymore they are just a party of outrage and deceit.

3 Charles Johnson  Sun, May 19, 2013 10:04:51pm

re: #1 Kragar

Not one mention of Umbrella-gate?

COVER UP!!!!

The umbrella will not be denied.

Daily Caller Cooks Up Another Stupid Scandal, Commenters Spew Vile Racism

4 Amory Blaine  Sun, May 19, 2013 10:12:34pm

Holy shit! There have been so many, the “fallen eagle” one feels like it was months ago already.

5 Charles Johnson  Sun, May 19, 2013 10:13:25pm

re: #4 Amory Blaine

Holy shit! There have been so many, the “fallen eagle” one feels like it was months ago already.

It never stops. This is just one week’s worth.

6 Amory Blaine  Sun, May 19, 2013 10:15:16pm

They are itching to warm up their House impeachment engine.

7 Kid A  Sun, May 19, 2013 10:23:18pm

Drudge should hang his head in shame for that malicious “I’m a black man,” “headline” today. Matt, you’re an insufferable little twat.

8 Kid A  Sun, May 19, 2013 10:26:42pm

In other news…

9 Kragar  Sun, May 19, 2013 10:27:54pm

Texas Judge bans freedom of association between consenting adults with no criminal records, threatens to take children

A Republican Texas Judge has ordered a lesbian couple to live apart or give up custody of their children. According to Think Progress, Judge John Roach of McKinney, Texas has given Page Price 30 days to move out of the home she shares with Carolyn Compton and Compton’s two children from a previous marriage because he does not approve of Compton and Price’s “lifestyle.”

Roach has placed a “morality clause” in Compton’s divorce papers, which forbids Compton from having anyone she is not related to “by blood or marriage” in her home past 9:00 p.m. if the children are present. Same sex marriage is illegal in Texas, so by law, Compton cannot live with Price if she wishes to retain custody of her children.

Compton said that she and Price have been together for three years. Compton’s ex-husband rarely bothers to see the children and was previously arrested on charges of third-degree felony stalking in 2011, charges that he was able to plea down to criminal trespassing, a misdemeanor.

In a post on Facebook, Price wrote that Roach had inserted the morality clause into the divorce agreement when Compton’s ex-husband Joshua Compton attempted to gain custody of the children in 2011. The judge wrote that he disapproved of the two women’s “lifestyle.”

10 Kid A  Sun, May 19, 2013 10:29:33pm

Most Americans see ominous dark clouds looming beyond the White House Rose Garden, Mr. President. They’ll roll away only when light is shined on the Obama administration’s antics, and America will only recover when you cease avoiding responsibility in this mission of yours to fundamentally transform America. For that to happen, the press had better learn from their experiences of being duped and provide a deserving public fairer, more intelligent coverage.

Speaking of coverage, glad you finally called in the Marines… shame it was just to hold your umbrella.

- Queen of Wasilla

11 Kragar  Sun, May 19, 2013 10:30:07pm

re: #8 Kid A

All that extra snow comes the tears of Baby Jesus, crying about the legalization of gay marriage.

12 teleskiguy  Sun, May 19, 2013 10:31:28pm

I’ve been reading this site since 2004 and this is the first (as I recall) Week-In-Review.

Understandable. This week has been nothing but SCANDAL for the president.

But it’s not. I’m reminded of the embassy attacks and subsequent deaths under Bush II, 9/11, the Iraq war, and a bunch of other stupid fucking bullshit that Bush II and Clinton did while they were in office. Obama is no saint, but he’s no Bush II or Clinton when it comes to scandals.

Which only highlights the amnesia and ignorance of today’s GOP. They are blinded by hatred of what Bill Maher calls “President Blackenstein.” These hateful folks cannot be convinced that their president is not an usurper/Manchurian/Nazi/n*****/Socialist. Makes me kinda sad.

I’ve read LGF through all this bullshit, never commented on any of the “scandals” that took place because it’s a witch-hunt, nothing more. But it’s been going on for years now, and it get more and more vitriolic. So here’s my first comment at LGF about “Outrageous Outrages.”

It’s all bullshit, and it’s bad for ya. The GOP is infected by hate. I hope Ted Cruz gets nominated for President.

13 Kid A  Sun, May 19, 2013 10:32:43pm

And when did Jesus ever talk about gays or abortion? Oh, never, right…

14 Kragar  Sun, May 19, 2013 10:35:59pm

re: #13 Kid A

And when did Jesus ever talk about gays or abortion? Oh, never, right…

Right after he talked about evolution and climate change.

15 engineer cat  Sun, May 19, 2013 10:41:53pm

well, stupid is as stupid does, that’s what i always say

or sometimes i say other things, but who cares anyway…

16 engineer cat  Sun, May 19, 2013 10:46:21pm

Little Green Footballs: Week in Review

i thot it wuz This Week In Stupid

17 engineer cat  Sun, May 19, 2013 11:00:56pm

i know you’re out there - i can hear you breathing

18 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Sun, May 19, 2013 11:15:06pm

I’m just going to post a video by the band Mesh playing live. I really really hope they tour the US. They deserve much more exposure than what they’ve gotten so far.

I might make it a personal crusade to get them better known. Heh.

And I’m loopy after spending most of the last 12 hours reviewing Trig Identities, inverse functions, polynomials, and limits. The rust on my math is so thick I could cry.

Heh.

19 Kragar  Sun, May 19, 2013 11:17:31pm

Rules I’m setting for my alien project:

No humanoids.

No aircraft carriers in space.

No instantly being able to speak perfect English. Actually aiming for no interest in actually communicating with humans at all.

Thinking something Lovecraftian along the lines of either fungal or deep sea creature, I’m picturing them as evolving in a high gravity/high pressure environment.

20 freetoken  Sun, May 19, 2013 11:20:19pm

re: #18 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All

IThe rust on my math is so thick I could cry.

Try coke.

Seriously, it is by combining coke with the oxides that one can produce the pure metal needed to for the hardest of problems.

21 freetoken  Sun, May 19, 2013 11:21:34pm

re: #19 Kragar

Rules I’m setting for my alien project:

No humanoids.

No aircraft carriers in space.

Bravo.

However, be aware that subjects in fiction become very hard for the human readers to identify with unless you highly anthropomorphize them.

22 freetoken  Sun, May 19, 2013 11:22:24pm

Not oft heard Saint-saens piece, his opus 65, a Septet, here is the slow movement:

23 Varek Raith  Sun, May 19, 2013 11:24:41pm

re: #21 freetoken

Bravo.

However, be aware that subjects in fiction become very hard for the human readers to identify with unless you highly anthropomorphize them.

I’m the opposite.

24 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, May 19, 2013 11:28:55pm

re: #19 Kragar

Rules I’m setting for my alien project:

No humanoids.

No aircraft carriers in space.

No instantly being able to speak perfect English. Actually aiming for no interest in actually communicating with humans at all.

Thinking something Lovecraftian along the lines of either fungal or deep sea creature, I’m picturing them as evolving in a high gravity/high pressure environment.

No beaming up?

25 Kragar  Sun, May 19, 2013 11:31:01pm

re: #21 freetoken

Bravo.

However, be aware that subjects in fiction become very hard for the human readers to identify with unless you highly anthropomorphize them.

re: #23 Varek Raith

I’m the opposite.

The project leads have a human ship, which is a carrier in space. They want me to design the aggressors, so I just have to find reasons and ways for them to attack.

I’m comfortable with stating the alien means of FTL travel and primary weaponry have not done in any major motion picture so far.

26 Kragar  Sun, May 19, 2013 11:31:20pm

re: #24 Sol Berdinowitz

No beaming up?

Absolutely not.

27 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, May 19, 2013 11:33:33pm

Perusing newsmax for some scandals to add to the series:

Experts: ‘Extreme’ Global Warming Predictions Not Panning Out

followed below the fold by

Massive Tornadoes Rock Kansas, Oklahoma Towns

No cognitive dissonance here, folks, just move on…

28 engineer cat  Sun, May 19, 2013 11:37:30pm

re: #19 Kragar

Rules I’m setting for my alien project:

No humanoids.

generally makes a good rule for everyday life as well

29 Kragar  Sun, May 19, 2013 11:41:48pm

re: #27 Sol Berdinowitz

Perusing newsmax for some scandals to add to the series:

Experts: ‘Extreme’ Global Warming Predictions Not Panning Out

followed below the fold by

Massive Tornadoes Rock Kansas, Oklahoma Towns

No cognitive dissonance here, folks, just move on…

They said “global warming”, “not weather”.
///

30 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, May 19, 2013 11:46:16pm

Just read a bit more about the study, it is too nuanced for them to grasp: things are warming, just not as quickly as predicted.

This translates into “IT’S ALL A MASSIVE HOAX FROM THE PIT OF HELL!!!

31 Varek Raith  Sun, May 19, 2013 11:48:29pm

Awesome game. Alpha though.
lofigames.com

32 freetoken  Mon, May 20, 2013 12:21:42am

re: #30 Sol Berdinowitz

I commented at length about this, downstairs.

33 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, May 20, 2013 12:26:49am

re: #32 freetoken

I commented at length about this, downstairs.

You mean you presented irrefutable evidence that Global Warming is a hoax from the pit of hell being foisted on us by an elitist scientific establishment, funded by the UN and the Bilderberg group in order to seize control of the energy rewources and implement World Government?

34 freetoken  Mon, May 20, 2013 12:35:53am

I’m also going to foist upon you some Sibelius, another not oft heard piece, his opus 49, “Pohjola `s Daughter”:

35 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, May 20, 2013 2:04:03am

global warming killed the thread again…

36 Romantic Heretic  Mon, May 20, 2013 2:57:07am

re: #8 Kid A

In other news…

Fuck you, Mr. Fischer, you sanctimonious dickwad.

37 freetoken  Mon, May 20, 2013 2:57:33am

The theme this year is “requiem”, which conveniently goes along with the genealogy project this year.

Here is Francesco Durante’s (1684 –1755 ) “Requiem”:

38 Romantic Heretic  Mon, May 20, 2013 3:01:12am

re: #25 Kragar

re: #23 Varek Raith

The project leads have a human ship, which is a carrier in space. They want me to design the aggressors, so I just have to find reasons and ways for them to attack.

I’m comfortable with stating the alien means of FTL travel and primary weaponry have not done in any major motion picture so far.

Psionic or probability weaponry? For travel perhaps something like the Episiarchs of the Tandu

39 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, May 20, 2013 3:18:51am

re: #38 Romantic Heretic

Psionic or probability weaponry? For travel perhaps something like the Episiarchs of the Tandu

Proper aliens are not even physical beings, they are bundles of energy that occupy whatever form best serves their purposes…

40 William of Orange  Mon, May 20, 2013 3:52:20am

OWNED!!


hAHAHAA!!!!!

41 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, May 20, 2013 3:58:28am

re: #40 William of Orange

OWNED!!

hAHAHAA!!!!!

My sister and brother-in-law, hard-working, church-going, salt-of-the-earth middle-class Americans, went bankrupt over medical bills (sister’s bout with cancer, bro-in-law’s auto accident).

That should not happen in America!

42 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 20, 2013 4:19:54am

Wow, what a week full of Crazy and Fail.

43 wheat-dogghazi  Mon, May 20, 2013 4:34:10am

re: #14 Kragar

Right after he talked about evolution and climate change.

And umbrellas.

44 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, May 20, 2013 4:35:15am

re: #43 wheat-dogghazi

And umbrellas.

That’s covered in the Old Testament, the curse of Ham and all…

45 Obdicut is an Obdislut apparently  Mon, May 20, 2013 4:38:19am

My 19 year old cousin and her best friend are staying with us. Sleeping on the couch and an inflatable mattress. And sound asleep, even as I showered, made breakfast, and started work. They’re kind of adorable.

46 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 20, 2013 4:42:00am

re: #45 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts

My 19 year old cousin and her best friend are staying with us. Sleeping on the couch and an inflatable mattress. And sound asleep, even as I showered, made breakfast, and started work. They’re kind of adorable.

My 15-year-old grandson stayed with us for the holiday, he left yesterday afternoon. The first thing he saw when he came here was the paramedics getting Zedushka out of his hypoglycemic coma.

His sugar this morning was at 75. I made him a toasted bagel but he had to butter it himself.

When we were first married, I made pancakes. I put them on the table and he said, “Aren’t you going to butter and syrup them for me?”

I said BUTTER AND SYRUP YOUR OWN PANCAKES, WHAT AM I YOUR MOTHER!!11

47 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, May 20, 2013 5:02:22am

Good morning Lizards!

Misty and overcast in Philadelphia this morning after the rain over the weekend. (Luckily, no tornadoes.)

Cats are amusing themselves by playing with the large plastic wrapper that a dozen rolls of paper towels came in. They like crawling into it via the end that was ripped open and then playing “bubble cat”. Alternately, it is hidden behind in order to ambush the other cat.

Their other current game is a declared war against all armrest covers in the apartment.

48 dell*nix  Mon, May 20, 2013 5:11:06am

re: #47 Feline Fearless Leader

No use of plastic bags to body surf the carpet with?

49 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, May 20, 2013 5:13:03am

re: #48 dell*nix

No use of plastic bags to body surf the carpet with?

They do that too. Or use a small towel.

50 Stoatly  Mon, May 20, 2013 5:18:05am

We saw The Tiger Lillies last night - in a Spiegeltent!
Dark, Twisted, Fun

They were the band behind the musical Shockheaded Peter:-


The amazing quality of which I was reminded of when I saw “Matilda” in London (though not as dark). We went to that because the lyrics are by Tim Minchin, but the whole thing is incredibly well done - see it if you get a chance, I doubt anyone, adult or child, has left the theatre saying “Meh”
51 dell*nix  Mon, May 20, 2013 5:20:51am

One likes to climb the window panes for an outside view but has a tendency to lose her grip and hit the floor. The does it again.

52 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, May 20, 2013 5:52:22am

re: #25 Kragar

re: #23 Varek Raith

The project leads have a human ship, which is a carrier in space. They want me to design the aggressors, so I just have to find reasons and ways for them to attack.

I’m comfortable with stating the alien means of FTL travel and primary weaponry have not done in any major motion picture so far.

They don’t see themselves as attacking anymore than we do when stepping on an anthill. Humans are simply in the way of some important project. There might be a small group of environmentalists who think of humans as sort of “Northern Spotted Owl”.

Hive mind? Perhaps only within familial groups?

Communications by pheromones rather than sound? And a bias that nothing intelligent would use anything so crude as sound?

53 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, May 20, 2013 5:58:26am

re: #52 William Barnett-Lewis

They don’t see themselves as attacking anymore than we do when stepping on an anthill. Humans are simply in the way of some important project. There might be a small group of environmentalists who think of humans as sort of “Northern Spotted Owl”.

Hive mind? Perhaps only within familial groups?

Communications by pheromones rather than sound? And a bias that nothing intelligent would use anything so crude as sound?

Maybe the human ship drive annoys them in some way; akin to a mosquito buzzing. And that triggers a hostile response since that effect is indicative of some sort of parasite/insect attacking.

54 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, May 20, 2013 6:04:30am

re: #53 Feline Fearless Leader

Maybe the human ship drive annoys them in some way; akin to a mosquito buzzing. And that triggers a hostile response since that effect is indicative of some sort of parasite/insect attacking.

we are stuck in one immutable physical form, something they see as highly primitive and in need of eradicating, or rather not worthy of treating as “life” as they know it, just like us stepping on an anthill.

55 Ian G.  Mon, May 20, 2013 6:16:35am

Mornin’ lizards.

I guess the good news is that Wichita, KS was not leveled by a massive tornado as the blaring tornado warnings would have had you believe. The bad news, however, is that parts of Oklahoma got hit hard, and there are fatalities.

Looks like we could be in for another rough afternoon:

spc.noaa.gov

I guess we can say that at least it’s not as bad this spring as it was in 2011 (yet). I think we’re coming up on the 2-year anniversary of the horrific Joplin, MO tornado.

56 geoffm33  Mon, May 20, 2013 6:25:22am

Matty Boyle has a lead on the next outrageous outrage.

57 darthstar  Mon, May 20, 2013 6:38:42am

Mornin’ everyone. Ah, Monday…may you rot in hell. Okay, it’s not that bad…had a nice weekend (wine tasting in Monterey, yard work in Half Moon Bay, it all rhymes). Now I just need to get off my ass, run the dogs a bit, and then head to work where, crap, I’ve got two new employees starting today and we’re in a new office space as we packed up last Friday.

58 Gus  Mon, May 20, 2013 6:42:19am

re: #56 geoffm33

Matty Boyle has a lead on the next outrageous outrage.

And? This same firm has ooga booga Monsanto as a client.

Supreme Court Affirms Support for WilmerHale Client in Bowman v. Monsanto Ruling
May 13, 2013

WilmerHale secured a victory for client Monsanto Co. in a significant patent law case decided today by the United States Supreme Court. The Court unanimously held in Bowman v. Monsanto Co. that producing new crops of soybeans containing Monsanto’s patented Roundup Ready(r) trait without Monsanto’s permission constitutes patent infringement. It rejected farmer Vernon Bowman’s defense that he had the right to make new copies of Monsanto’s invention under the “patent exhaustion” doctrine…

WRT to cronyism. LOL. As though that’s anything new to DC.

59 Gus  Mon, May 20, 2013 6:43:57am

OMG! OMG! OMG! There’s cronyism in DC! There’s a revolving door at the Pentagon and other agencies! OMG! OMG! OMG! //

60 geoffm33  Mon, May 20, 2013 6:45:03am

re: #58 Gus

Exactly. Imagine the outrage! A firm, and lawyer, expert in a particular expertise being hired to defend client in that particular expertise. Especially when the firm already has a working relationship with client. Outrage!

61 geoffm33  Mon, May 20, 2013 6:49:39am

For email marketing folks out there…always check your links before you send.

I clicked a link off a draft marketing campaign I was set to send and it linked to Matt Boyles tweet from a few comments upthread. LOL, whoah boy. More coffee.

62 Bulworth  Mon, May 20, 2013 6:51:30am

re: #58 Gus

I don’t know what any of this means but it’s the most outrageous outrage that has ever been outraged.

/

63 Bulworth  Mon, May 20, 2013 6:52:43am

re: #56 geoffm33

Unbelievable!

Appoint a Special Prosecutor!

64 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 20, 2013 6:54:21am
65 Gus  Mon, May 20, 2013 6:54:24am

re: #62 Bulworth

I don’t know what any of this means but it’s the most outrageous outrage that has ever been outraged.

/

Any Democrat = Pan Leninism = Communist, Marxist, Atheist, Islam = Tyrannical Outrage!

66 Bulworth  Mon, May 20, 2013 7:03:26am

CNN:

According to the survey, which was conducted Friday and Saturday, 53% of Americans say they approve of the job the president is doing, with 45% saying they disapprove. The president’s approval rating was at 51% in CNN’s last poll, which was conducted in early April.

More good news for Mitt Romney.

67 geoffm33  Mon, May 20, 2013 7:03:58am

re: #66 Bulworth

CNN:

More good news for Mitt Romney.

Once Romney takes the lead…..

68 Gus  Mon, May 20, 2013 7:04:44am

re: #67 geoffm33

Once Romney takes the lead…..

Landslide!

69 Gus  Mon, May 20, 2013 7:05:24am
70 lawhawk  Mon, May 20, 2013 7:06:00am

Greets and saluts from the soggy NYC metro area; the weekend was a near washout with rain, fog, drizzle, and moss overtaking most everything.

But at least we’re not out in the Central US where they’re getting hammered with seriously bad weather.

While the tornado season had been mercifully quiet until this past week, it looks like it’s gone supercharged, in part because the jet stream has shifted track and the warm air has finally gotten the atmosphere all riled up. The various stationary fronts and upper level blocks are keeping the severe weather training over the same real estate, so the places that have been hammered over the weekend will keep seeing bad weather.

71 Gus  Mon, May 20, 2013 7:06:01am
72 Gus  Mon, May 20, 2013 7:06:32am

Oops! //

73 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 20, 2013 7:08:27am
74 geoffm33  Mon, May 20, 2013 7:11:55am

re: #71 Gus

January 20, 2013 bumper sticker

I like the “End of an error” one. Where have I scene that before? Maybe there is a template and it auto inserts the current president and next inauguration date.

75 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 20, 2013 7:16:53am

Even MOAR Derp & Fail:

#WhenISeeAObamaBumperSticker

76 lawhawk  Mon, May 20, 2013 7:20:49am

I’m getting a kick out of how so many right wingers are suddenly quoting Max Baucus over his comments about the IRS mess, ignoring that the solutions reside in Congress fixing the IRC to eliminate the problem of the IRS trying to figure out what constitutes substantial political activity.

Congress should separate out those groups that are pure nonprofits - actual charitable groups, from those who do lobbying. Lobbying/political activity gets registered under 527, everyone else gets to continue use as 501c.

But the simple answer isn’t going to get done because those 501c entities like the ability to engage in political activity and lobbying to further their own issue advocacy in Congress.

77 Gus  Mon, May 20, 2013 7:23:30am

re: #75 Vicious Babushka

Even MOAR Derp & Fail:

#WhenISeeAObamaBumperSticker

Something wrong with people that are driving around freaking out about an Obama bumper sticker. I’ll assume that most of these folks are all around trashy trouble makers. I’ve been around more than a few when I lived in NJ. Whenever I see a Romney bumper sticker I see a Romney bumper sticker. So much rage with so many Americans.

78 LWNJ  Mon, May 20, 2013 7:25:06am

Good morning, lizards. In the sunny San Francisco Bay Area it’s sunny, I’m slowly overcoming the flu, and the little-used backup computer has at last finished downloading and installing TWO HUNDRED SECURITY UPGRADES.

(!)

79 lawhawk  Mon, May 20, 2013 7:28:31am

This morning’s smooth sounds, courtesy of Joe Satriani and Raspberry Jam delta V

80 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, May 20, 2013 7:29:24am

re: #77 Gus

Something wrong with people that are driving around freaking out about an Obama bumper sticker. I’ll assume that most of these folks are all around trashy trouble makers. I’ve been around more than a few when I lived in NJ. Whenever I see a Romney bumper sticker I see a Romney bumper sticker. So much rage with so many Americans.

When you live in the RWNJ/TPGOP/Fox News bubble, you do not hear what the other side says, you only hear what the pundits tell you they said.

So these people see an Obama bumper sticker and do not think “this is a person who considered Obama the best candidate among those running for office” and immediately assume they see someone who corresponds to the caricature leftist image they get out of the bubble they live in.

81 wheat-dogghazi  Mon, May 20, 2013 7:30:41am

re: #78 LWNJ

Should be just fine until the day after tomorrow.

82 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 20, 2013 7:35:15am

re: #77 Gus

Something wrong with people that are driving around freaking out about an Obama bumper sticker. I’ll assume that most of these folks are all around trashy trouble makers. I’ve been around more than a few when I lived in NJ. Whenever I see a Romney bumper sticker I see a Romney bumper sticker. So much rage with so many Americans.

It’s pretty sad how they spew out all their rage projection stereotypes on the driver of the vehicle.

83 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 20, 2013 7:43:51am

LOL

84 stabby  Mon, May 20, 2013 7:50:43am

re: #83 Vicious Babushka

The Angel Moroni has a girlfriend, her name is Idiota.

85 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, May 20, 2013 8:02:54am

Hmm. I see Tumblr will now be meaningless and dying within the very near future as Zombie Yahoo has seized upon it to save their butts. Which is appropo when you think how a large number of the pics posted tend to be nudes of one flavor or another… ;)

86 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 20, 2013 8:20:41am

52 on his last birthday cake!

87 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 20, 2013 8:24:52am

Good morning lizards!

88 blueraven  Mon, May 20, 2013 8:29:32am

I watched Anthony Bourdain’s “Parts Unknown” series last night. This episode was on Libya. It was excellent and compelling TV. The whole series has been great. Certainly the best thing CNN has done in a long time.

cnn.com

89 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 20, 2013 8:31:51am

Nazi Flag Adorned With Swastika Spotted Flying Over Palestinian Town (PHOTOS)

A disturbing incident took place Monday morning when Jewish residents of the West Bank villages of Gush Etzion and Kiryat Arba spotted a flag with a swastika flying over the nearby Palestinian Arab town of Beit Omar.

Uri Arnon, who saw the flag, told Tazpit News Agency: “I felt we were going back 75 years, losing our hold on the land. The Arabs no longer feel the need to hide their murderous tendencies, announcing out loud that they wish to destroy us.”

The IDF was notified and according to Israel’s Channel 2 a spokesman said that IDF soldiers were responding to complaints and attempting to have the flag removed.

90 Political Atheist  Mon, May 20, 2013 8:32:11am

re: #86 Vicious Babushka

52 on his last birthday cake!

What, “ODS” still leaves lots of characters to go
Just use #ODS

Hm. No not Online Dating service
oops did not anticipate the hashtag becoming a live link

91 Mattand  Mon, May 20, 2013 8:35:15am

From the OP:

Here’s a look back over this week’s numerous fake scandals and right wing wild goose chases — and this is not an exhaustive list by any means:

I think what’s depressing about all of this is that MSM is just as desperate as the RWNJ and your garden variety, mouth breathing Republican for any Obama scandal.

Which shows their priorities, I guess. You’d think with the deficit dropping and the oh-so-important Dow hitting 15,000, that they’d mention that.

92 Ian G.  Mon, May 20, 2013 8:36:48am

When Jason Collins came out of the closet a few weeks ago, Charles Barkley made the common-sense comment that African-Americans should be firmly on the side of gay rights, because African-Americans were once second-class citizens too (Sir Charles was really just echoing something Bayard Rustin had said decades ago).

Well, this buffoon didn’t get the message.

Seriously, Virginia is now at least as blue as Ohio, if not Michigan and Pennsylvania. On what planet does the Virginia GOP think this insanity will play there?

93 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, May 20, 2013 8:39:04am

re: #92 Ian G.

When Jason Collins came out of the closet a few weeks ago, Charles Barkley made the common-sense comment that African-Americans should be firmly on the side of gay rights, because African-Americans were once second-class citizens too (Sir Charles was really just echoing something Bayard Rustin had said decades ago).

Well, this buffoon didn’t get the message.

Seriously, Virginia is now at least as blue as Ohio, if not Michigan and Pennsylvania. On what planet does the Virginia GOP think this insanity will play there?

“…Their minds are perverted, they’re frankly very sick people psychologically, mentally and emotionally and they see everything through the lens of homosexuality.”

Bryan Fischer in a nutshell

94 erik_t  Mon, May 20, 2013 8:39:07am

re: #92 Ian G.

When Jason Collins came out of the closet a few weeks ago, Charles Barkley made the common-sense comment that African-Americans should be firmly on the side of gay rights, because African-Americans were once second-class citizens too (Sir Charles was really just echoing something Bayard Rustin had said decades ago).

Barkley is a very strange combination of bumbling and astute. Certainly one of the more fascinating characters ever to emerge from basketball.

95 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 20, 2013 8:44:26am
96 stabby  Mon, May 20, 2013 8:48:33am

re: #95 Vicious Babushka

That’s a bit intense. I’d rather not read about a 2 year old dying every time I scroll the page

97 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 20, 2013 8:49:15am

Oh heeyyy! The “Bottom Comments” is populated!

98 Obdicut is an Obdislut apparently  Mon, May 20, 2013 8:51:48am

re: #96 stabby

That’s a bit intense. I’d rather not read about a 2 year old dying every time I scroll the page

I’d rather the 2-year old not die. Pretending it didn’t happen isn’t going to achieve much.

99 lawhawk  Mon, May 20, 2013 8:53:02am

re: #96 stabby

Life’s intense. There’s nothing more real than seeing stories about how toddlers end up dead because of the acts of those around them.

100 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, May 20, 2013 8:53:31am

re: #95 Vicious Babushka

I’m probably as pro-gun as it gets here but that kind of crap has to end. When my son was little I kept our firearms double locked - with a trigger lock on them _and_ in a gun safe. There is no excuse to leaving a gun where a kid too little to know better can find it and one of the ways to change that is to make everyone aware of the stupidity of people and it’s consequences.

We changed the culture in positive ways with drunk driving and tobacco. This needs to change as well.

101 Bulworth  Mon, May 20, 2013 8:53:42am

re: #93 Sol Berdinowitz

Somebody remind me again, is the Lt Gov elected independently of the Governor in VA? I don’t think they run as a ticket, but not sure.

102 wrenchwench  Mon, May 20, 2013 8:54:34am
103 dragonath  Mon, May 20, 2013 8:54:45am

re: #71 Gus

January 20, 2013 bumper sticker

LOL, that’s nothing. A month before the election I saw “X Days Until Obama Loses Election” scrawled on the back window of a car in ALL CAPS.

104 wrenchwench  Mon, May 20, 2013 8:55:09am

At least it wasn’t a two year old.

105 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, May 20, 2013 8:55:23am

re: #101 Bulworth

Somebody remind me again, is the Lt Gov elected independently of the Governor in VA? I don’t think they run as a ticket, but not sure.

They were once separate ballots in Illinois, which led to the scandal of Lyndon LaRouche being nominated for Lt Governor, I think it was in the Democratic Party. The Gubernatorial candidate then withdrew from the ticket and ran as an independent.

106 Bulworth  Mon, May 20, 2013 8:57:25am
Today’s challenge: List all the
#Obamascandles
in ONE TWEET!
#TCOT
#CTOT
#TGDN
— old ogre (@oldogre2)
May 20, 2013

Is there a wingnut-to-English translation of this wingnuttery?

107 erik_t  Mon, May 20, 2013 8:57:36am

re: #100 William Barnett-Lewis

I tried to convolute myself a form of the World’s Most Tired Gun-Car Analogy with something something keys in ignition, car in gear, whatever, but it didn’t take. There’s really no household danger equivalent of a loaded and unlocked firearm.

Maybe a cleaning supplies cabinet with bleach kept in a Koolaid jug, but even that is a reach.

108 erik_t  Mon, May 20, 2013 8:58:05am

re: #106 Bulworth

Is there a wingnut-to-English translation of this wingnuttery?

I think the Obamas really like candles.

109 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 20, 2013 8:59:52am

re: #108 erik_t

I think the Obamas really like candles.

Obama’s 51st Birthday Cake had…One Candle!

But FLOTUS looked fabulous!

110 [deleted]  Mon, May 20, 2013 8:59:57am
111 lawhawk  Mon, May 20, 2013 9:01:08am

Well, look at that. GM stock is now above its IPO price. $33.83 this morning, and part of a longer trend to the upside. Still short of where the Treasury needs to break even, but far better than just a year ago.

112 dragonath  Mon, May 20, 2013 9:01:33am

re: #107 erik_t

I tried to convolute myself a form of the World’s Most Tired Gun-Car Analogy with something something keys in ignition, car in gear, whatever, but it didn’t take. There’s really no household danger equivalent of a loaded and unlocked firearm.

Maybe a cleaning supplies cabinet with bleach kept in a Koolaid jug, but even that is a reach.

A GUN IS MORE EFFICIENT THAN RUNNING OVER INTRUDERS WITH A CAR.

I USED TO RUN THEM OVER WITH MY HUMMER H2 BUT THE WIFE COMPLAINED ABOUT TIRE TREADS IN HER FLOWER GARDEN

113 Obdicut is an Obdislut apparently  Mon, May 20, 2013 9:01:51am

re: #110 fact checker

Que?

114 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 20, 2013 9:02:24am

re: #110 fact checker

Something interesting about the number 32,531.

Like, it cost me a free book.

Welcome, hatchling. WTF you talking about?

115 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, May 20, 2013 9:03:09am

re: #107 erik_t

I tried to convolute myself a form of the World’s Most Tired Gun-Car Analogy with something something keys in ignition, car in gear, whatever, but it didn’t take. There’s really no household danger equivalent of a loaded and unlocked firearm.

Maybe a cleaning supplies cabinet with bleach kept in a Koolaid jug, but even that is a reach.

Any such car/gun comparison falls flat on it face, a 2nd Amendment patriot can tell you, in that the right to drive is not anchored in the constitution but the right to bear arms is.

116 [deleted]  Mon, May 20, 2013 9:04:09am
117 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, May 20, 2013 9:04:22am

re: #114 Vicious Babushka

Welcome, hatchling. WTF you talking about?

A free book for the millionth commenter here or something?

118 [deleted]  Mon, May 20, 2013 9:05:41am
119 Gus  Mon, May 20, 2013 9:05:58am

re: #116 fact checker

FOAD

120 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 20, 2013 9:06:07am

Oh it’s from the stalker blog. Quick Henry, the Flit!

121 [deleted]  Mon, May 20, 2013 9:07:08am
122 dragonath  Mon, May 20, 2013 9:07:29am

32,531 Obamas candles on the wall
Take one down, pass it around…

123 Gus  Mon, May 20, 2013 9:08:42am

Derp.

124 [deleted]  Mon, May 20, 2013 9:08:43am
125 jaunte  Mon, May 20, 2013 9:09:17am

twit.

126 bratwurst  Mon, May 20, 2013 9:09:26am

re: #121 fact checker

Image: joker-clap.gif

127 Political Atheist  Mon, May 20, 2013 9:09:32am

re: #107 erik_t

I tried to convolute myself a form of the World’s Most Tired Gun-Car Analogy with something something keys in ignition, car in gear, whatever, but it didn’t take. There’s really no household danger equivalent of a loaded and unlocked firearm.

Maybe a cleaning supplies cabinet with bleach kept in a Koolaid jug, but even that is a reach.

Not sure what you mean by equivalent… But as a counterpoint I would just point out how much work it is to toddler/child/kid proof a home. That pan handle sticking out from the stove full of boiling pasta…. The gun deserves no less attention than the Ajax or Comet. Dead is dead. Every home does not need a gun. Many however do. No home should have a gun or a chemical like brightly packaged liquid drain cleaner is reach of a kid.

128 Gus  Mon, May 20, 2013 9:09:34am

Loser.

129 dragonath  Mon, May 20, 2013 9:10:24am

re: #128 Gus

NO

THIS MAN HAS NEVER LOST A CONTEST FOR A RACHEL MADDOW BOOK

EVER

130 Obdicut is an Obdislut apparently  Mon, May 20, 2013 9:13:27am

I would have won that free book too except for my complete failure to post anything even remotely near the necessary post count.

Thanks Obama!

131 erik_t  Mon, May 20, 2013 9:13:33am

re: #127 Political Atheist

Not sure what you mean by equivalent…

“Why, that’s as bad as [insert dangerous scenario here]!” And then I couldn’t come up with a scenario even half as bad as a loaded gun within reach of a two-year-old.

132 blueraven  Mon, May 20, 2013 9:15:17am

How pathetic, these stalkers.

133 Gus  Mon, May 20, 2013 9:16:47am

re: #132 blueraven

How pathetic, these stalkers.

Weird aye? Still all worked up about a tiny contest for the 9 millionth comment. Clearly this guy just got his welfare check and bought some more internet time to post this from his Section 8 apartment. //

134 darthstar  Mon, May 20, 2013 9:18:12am

re: #57 darthstar

we’re in a new office space as we packed up last Friday.

And the new view doesn’t exactly suck.

Image: 977639_10151625281253024_517522571_o.jpg

135 blueraven  Mon, May 20, 2013 9:18:29am

re: #133 Gus

Weird aye? Still all worked up about a tiny contest for the 9 millionth comment. Clearly this guy just got his welfare check and bought some more internet time to post this from his Section 8 apartment. //

Sad, angry and stupid is no way to go through life.

136 wrenchwench  Mon, May 20, 2013 9:19:26am

re: #135 blueraven

Sad, angry and stupid is no way to go through life.

Really, really stupid. The book was for the 10 millionth comment.

137 Political Atheist  Mon, May 20, 2013 9:19:54am

Mall security had a bad day… Assaulted a woman for taking pictures.
littlegreenfootballs.com

138 Gus  Mon, May 20, 2013 9:20:41am

re: #135 blueraven

Sad, angry and stupid is no way to go through life.

Wake up. Get out of bed. Brush teeth. Make coffee… CHARLES JOHNSON!

Next day.

Repeat.

//

139 dragonath  Mon, May 20, 2013 9:21:26am

re: #136 wrenchwench

Really, really stupid. The book was for the 10 millionth comment.

FART CHECKER KNOWS THE SCORE

140 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, May 20, 2013 9:21:34am

re: #131 erik_t

“Why, that’s as bad as [insert dangerous scenario here]!” And then I couldn’t come up with a scenario even half as bad as a loaded gun within reach of a two-year-old.

You could allow a two-year-old to be adopted by a homosexual couple

/

(unless you belong to the Family Council)

141 Lidane  Mon, May 20, 2013 9:23:09am
142 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 20, 2013 9:23:34am

My spidey senses started tingling the moment I saw a new registration with the name “fact checker”

143 Gus  Mon, May 20, 2013 9:23:37am

Go to church. Sit down at pew. Kneel to pray to God… CHARLES JOHNSON!

Next Sunday?

Repeat.

//

144 dragonath  Mon, May 20, 2013 9:25:15am

re: #141 Lidane

That’s okay. Obama has Daleks.

145 blueraven  Mon, May 20, 2013 9:25:20am

re: #138 Gus

Wake up. Get out of bed. Brush teeth. Make coffee… CHARLES JOHNSON!

Next day.

Repeat.

//

My diagnosis: CJDS combined with extreme self pity and loathing
The Cure: Get a fucking Life

146 Gus  Mon, May 20, 2013 9:27:12am

Finally alone. Time to spank the monkey with some internet pron… CHARLES JOHNSON!

//

147 Gus  Mon, May 20, 2013 9:28:09am

Nice day out. Think I’ll go for a short road trip, sun roof open… CHARLES JOHNSON!

//

148 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 20, 2013 9:29:20am

RWNJ thinks the Holocaust totally happened because the Polish and Czech armies, as well as the armies of all those other countries conquered by the Nazis, had NO GUNZ. DERP.
It is beyond DERP that these fucktards want to co-opt the Holocaust with themselves as the victims. It fills me with rage.

149 stabby  Mon, May 20, 2013 9:30:33am

re: #115 Sol Berdinowitz

Any such car/gun comparison falls flat on it face, a 2nd Amendment patriot can tell you, in that the right to drive is not anchored in the constitution but the right to bear arms is.

there are some gun/car comparisons that are important.

You can’t drive a car if you’re such a bad driver that you can’t be insured for it. Imagine the wingnut outrage if people needed to buy “I might shoot some innocent person” insurance and “my kid might get ahold of my gun” insurance.

You also need to prove that you can drive it safely and follow the laws. etc etc.

150 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, May 20, 2013 9:31:45am

re: #148 Vicious Babushka

RWNJ thinks the Holocaust totally happened because the Polish and Czech armies, as well as the armies of all those other countries conquered by the Nazis, had NO GUNZ. DERP.
It is beyond DERP that these fucktards want to co-opt the Holocaust with themselves as the victims. It fills me with rage.

Spare us the Teiptterderp, please!

One cannot discuss matters of world history with a tweet and a single image without context.

We all know that.

We also know that there are idiots who don’t.

151 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 20, 2013 9:32:59am

Wingnut Outrage Du Jour:


“True The Vote” I have heard of them. They are a group dedicated to denying voting rights to minorities. To tax-exempt status for them? Boohoo my heart breaks.

152 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 20, 2013 9:33:30am

Just close your eyes and scroll past, Sol.

153 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, May 20, 2013 9:35:13am

re: #152 Vicious Babushka

Just close your eyes and scroll past, Sol.

If I want this sort of derp I will Twitter. Please, keep it Twitter-free unless it is from some elected official or of major importance.

Demonstrating the depth of idiocy that derpers are prone to tweet is not necessary.

154 stabby  Mon, May 20, 2013 9:35:26am

re: #151 Vicious Babushka

Jane Galt’s picture is a poor quality CGI rendering isn’t it?

155 jaunte  Mon, May 20, 2013 9:37:01am

re: #151 Vicious Babushka

True the Vote has been down in Florida lately, working for Allen West:
prnewswire.com

156 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 20, 2013 9:37:24am
157 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, May 20, 2013 9:38:21am

re: #151 Vicious Babushka

Wingnut Outrage Du Jour:


“True The Vote” I have heard of them. They are a group dedicated to denying voting rights to minorities. To tax-exempt status for them? Boohoo my heart breaks.

Voting rights, like immigration issues, are a matter that could be cleared up quickly by issuing a national ID card, one for citizens and one for legal resident aliens.

Just show it when registering/voting, applying for a job, enrolling children in school, applying for driver’s license, etc…

Any takers out there on the right or the left?

(crickets)

158 dragonath  Mon, May 20, 2013 9:38:56am

re: #154 stabby

No. She’s actually an ambassador from the Second Life Libertarian Gun Zone

159 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, May 20, 2013 9:40:25am

re: #157 Sol Berdinowitz

Voting rights, like immigration issues, are a matter that could be cleared up quickly by issuing a national ID card, one for citizens and one for legal resident aliens.

Just show it when registering/voting, applying for a job, enrolling children in school, applying for driver’s license, etc…

Any takers out there on the right or the left?

(crickets)

Let it be my DL & my CCL & passport as well and I’ll be the first in line.

160 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 20, 2013 9:42:00am

re: #154 stabby

Jane Galt’s picture is a poor quality CGI rendering isn’t it?

It’s a Lara Croft, I think. Jane used to have Obama’s head on a cartoon of Porky Pig, so it’s some kind of improvement.

161 stabby  Mon, May 20, 2013 9:43:46am

If I never see another Bryan Fischer tweet it will be too soon.

162 lawhawk  Mon, May 20, 2013 9:44:11am

re: #154 stabby

Nope. It’s legit, and was reproduced in an MSNBC photo montage coinciding with Holocaust remembrance day. Sourced from here, claiming to be his grandfather after the liberation of the camps.

oops - referenced the wrong image upstream. Thought you were asking about the Holocaust phototweet that Alouette posted.

163 wrenchwench  Mon, May 20, 2013 9:44:45am

re: #153 Sol Berdinowitz

If I want this sort of derp I will Twitter. Please, keep it Twitter-free unless it is from some elected official or of major importance.

Demonstrating the depth of idiocy that derpers are prone to tweet is not necessary.

I don’t understand the Tweet intolerance from a guy who cruises the stalker sites.

164 stabby  Mon, May 20, 2013 9:45:01am

re: #162 lawhawk

I meant her avatar.

165 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 20, 2013 9:45:05am

re: #157 Sol Berdinowitz

Voting rights, like immigration issues, are a matter that could be cleared up quickly by issuing a national ID card, one for citizens and one for legal resident aliens.

Just show it when registering/voting, applying for a job, enrolling children in school, applying for driver’s license, etc…

Any takers out there on the right or the left?

(crickets)

The problem is that many people, especially the poor and elderly, do not have the ID that is necessary to get ID.

166 stabby  Mon, May 20, 2013 9:46:09am

re: #165 Vicious Babushka

Yeah it would be fine as long as the fade in time is 50 years.

167 blueraven  Mon, May 20, 2013 9:46:12am

re: #156 NJDhockeyfan

Ginsberg should learn how to post correct links. Why post a link to the 3rd page of a story? It makes no sense and the reader has to scroll down and find out that there are two previous pages to read to make sense of the story.

168 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, May 20, 2013 9:48:05am

re: #165 Vicious Babushka

The problem is that many people, especially the poor and elderly, do not have the ID that is necessary to get ID.

I am expressing this more in the theoretical sense. The government would have to make an active effort to see that every citizen is given the opportunity to obtain one - and to do so free of charge.

It is theoretical because it is never going to happen in our lifetimes.

169 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, May 20, 2013 9:49:11am

re: #163 wrenchwench

I don’t understand the Tweet intolerance from a guy who cruises the stalker sites.

Well, you nailed me there, I forgot that the Interwebs have no secrets. But I do not link, I only refer to content

170 jaunte  Mon, May 20, 2013 9:49:29am

re: #168 Sol Berdinowitz

It is theoretical because it is never going to happen in our lifetimes.

Way too much irrational opposition:
thefamilyinternational.org

171 stabby  Mon, May 20, 2013 9:50:40am

You know the bullshit claim, by the right wing, that we need ID to vote isn’t just a lie about foreigners voting, it is also implicitly an argument that too many people who live in the United States vote.

It a will to deny all power to your neighbors.

172 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 20, 2013 9:51:18am

re: #167 blueraven

Ginsburg should learn how to post correct links. Why post a link to the 3rd page of a story? It makes no sense and the reader has to scroll down and find out that there are two previous pages to read to make sense of the story.

The left and right are both pissed off about this news. This could be bigger than other 3 problems the WH has right now.

173 erik_t  Mon, May 20, 2013 9:52:03am

re: #172 NJDhockeyfan

The left and right are both pissed off about this news. This could be bigger than other 3 problems the WH has right now.

The WH has three other problems? Uh, okay.

174 Skip Intro  Mon, May 20, 2013 9:52:45am

re: #111 lawhawk

Well, look at that. GM stock is now above its IPO price. $33.83 this morning, and part of a longer trend to the upside. Still short of where the Treasury needs to break even, but far better than just a year ago.

Yeah, well did you see what those GM bastards did to Kenny last night on Mad Men?

Fuckers.

175 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, May 20, 2013 9:53:19am

re: #170 jaunte

Way too much irrational opposition:
thefamilyinternational.org

There was a time when such a thing was not necessary. Everybody who lived around you knew who you were.

Nor was it that important: there were no federal grant or aid programs to apply for. And if you wanted to escape arrest or the draft, you could always flee to the wilderness or the unsettled territories.

It will take nothing less than a major catastrophe to get the government to instate such a program.

176 stabby  Mon, May 20, 2013 9:53:43am

re: #173 erik_t

Image: h79eJ.jpg

177 blueraven  Mon, May 20, 2013 9:53:51am

re: #172 NJDhockeyfan

The left and right are both pissed off about this news. This could be bigger than other 3 problems the WH has right now.

I read the article and see no laws were broken. Where was all the concern from the right over these acts during Bush? After all…the Patriot Act.

178 lawhawk  Mon, May 20, 2013 9:54:50am

re: #174 Skip Intro

What is this Mad Men you speak of? /

179 stabby  Mon, May 20, 2013 9:54:55am

fixed the image, reload.

180 Stanghazi  Mon, May 20, 2013 9:55:54am

re: #174 Skip Intro

Yeah, well did you see what those GM bastards did to Kenny last night on Mad Men?

Fuckers.

Haha. That was insane. That whole episode was insane. Wine librarian tweeted that the new ad for Chevy was going to be something about Hooker Soup.

181 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 20, 2013 9:56:47am

re: #177 blueraven

I read the article and see no laws were broken. Where was all the concern from the right over these acts during Bush? After all…the Patriot Act.

Face it, he’s made a big mistake going after the press. They are not going to let the Obama admin let this one go.

182 Skip Intro  Mon, May 20, 2013 9:57:09am

re: #180 Stanghazi

Haha. That was insane. That whole episode was insane. Wine librarian tweeted that the new ad for Chevy was going to be something about Hooker Soup.

It will either be remembered as the worst episode ever, or the most creative.

Personally, I hated it.

183 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 20, 2013 9:57:26am
184 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, May 20, 2013 9:57:46am

re: #180 Stanghazi

Haha. That was insane. That whole episode was insane. Wine librarian tweeted that the new ad for Chevy was going to be something about Hooker Soup.

I remember checking out a Chevy Vega when they first came out and noted that the center of the grille was nearly an inch off the center of the bumper.

185 blueraven  Mon, May 20, 2013 9:58:16am

re: #181 NJDhockeyfan

Face it, he’s made a big mistake going after the press. They are not going to let the Obama admin let this one go.

OK GG is now your best source of what will register. Think again.

186 Stanghazi  Mon, May 20, 2013 9:58:57am

re: #181 NJDhockeyfan

Face it, he’s made a big mistake going after the press. They are not going to let the Obama admin let this one go.

Glen Greenwald!! Ha.

187 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 20, 2013 9:59:25am

re: #185 blueraven

OK GG is now your best source of what will register. Think again.

How about Howard Fineman?

188 Stanghazi  Mon, May 20, 2013 9:59:49am

re: #182 Skip Intro

It will either be remembered as the worst episode ever, or the most creative.

Personally, I hated it.

I vote worst. Need more Roger and Joan.

189 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 20, 2013 10:00:11am
190 Sionainn  Mon, May 20, 2013 10:02:06am

re: #163 wrenchwench

I don’t understand the Tweet intolerance from a guy who cruises the stalker sites.

Excellent point. I really dislike seeing any mention of that group of dopes.

191 Mattand  Mon, May 20, 2013 10:02:53am

re: #181 NJDhockeyfan

re: #183 NJDhockeyfan

re: #187 NJDhockeyfan

re: #189 NJDhockeyfan

Jesus, this must be like Conservative Christmas for you: “Finally, The Ebil Librul Sekrit Mooslim is the Dictator we alwayz sed he wuz!!!!”

192 klys and whatnot  Mon, May 20, 2013 10:04:08am

Wait, is there another non-scandal that I missed?

193 Charles Johnson  Mon, May 20, 2013 10:04:10am

re: #183 NJDhockeyfan

So you’re suddenly a fan of Glenn Greenwald?

194 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, May 20, 2013 10:04:14am

re: #191 Mattand

re: #183 NJDhockeyfan

re: #187 NJDhockeyfan

re: #189 NJDhockeyfan

Jesus, this must be like Conservative Christmas for you: “Finally, The Ebil Librul Sekrit Mooslim is the Dictator we alwayz sed he wuz!!!!”

The AP scandal was pretty much ignored, but Obama has just made a martyr of a Fox reporter…

195 Lidane  Mon, May 20, 2013 10:05:26am

re: #191 Mattand

Jesus, this must be like Conservative Christmas for you: “Finally, The Ebil Librul Sekrit Mooslim is the Dictator we alwayz sed he wuz!!!!”

Personally, I find the press fainting over all this both hilarious and hypocritical given their entirely uncritical reporting during the Bush years.

196 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, May 20, 2013 10:05:32am

re: #192 klys

Wait, is there another non-scandal that I missed?

I think this one warrants scandal even to those outside the Bubble. Not an impeachable, worldview-shocking, game-changing scandal, but something that needs to be dealt with thoroughly before it spreads.

197 iossarian  Mon, May 20, 2013 10:06:24am

re: #193 Charles Johnson

So you’re suddenly a fan of Glenn Greenwald?

Black President makes use of Patriot Act.

Patriot Act is suddenly unpatriotic.

Left-wing civil liberties policy stock soars eleventy percent.

198 Charles Johnson  Mon, May 20, 2013 10:06:45am

re: #133 Gus

That was obsessed loon Bret Elert, aka ChenZhen.

199 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 20, 2013 10:06:57am

re: #191 Mattand

re: #183 NJDhockeyfan

re: #187 NJDhockeyfan

re: #189 NJDhockeyfan

Jesus, this must be like Conservative Christmas for you: “Finally, The Ebil Librul Sekrit Mooslim is the Dictator we alwayz sed he wuz!!!!”

What is your opinion on that? Do you think journalists are overblowing this story too much?

200 Bulworth  Mon, May 20, 2013 10:07:47am

re: #151 Vicious Babushka

TORMENTS!!!!

201 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, May 20, 2013 10:08:55am

re: #199 NJDhockeyfan

Yes.

Next question?

202 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 20, 2013 10:08:58am

re: #193 Charles Johnson

So you’re suddenly a fan of Glenn Greenwald?

Not at all but it’s clear that a lefty like Greenwald among others are not happy with the Obama admin going after the press like that.

203 Charles Johnson  Mon, May 20, 2013 10:10:29am

re: #202 NJDhockeyfan

Maybe you missed it, but Greenwald has been fanatically opposed to Obama for years now.

204 blueraven  Mon, May 20, 2013 10:10:45am

re: #202 NJDhockeyfan

Not at all but it’s clear that a lefty like Greenwald among others are not happy with the Obama admin going after the press like that.

Greenwald is never happy with Obama.

205 Lidane  Mon, May 20, 2013 10:12:45am

re: #202 NJDhockeyfan

Not at all but it’s clear that a lefty like Greenwald among others are not happy with the Obama admin going after the press like that.

Greenwald has never been happy with Obama. Ever.

In fact, it would be news if he ever praised the POTUS for anything at all.

206 Charles Johnson  Mon, May 20, 2013 10:13:05am

Glenn Greenwald is NOT a “lefty.”

207 klys and whatnot  Mon, May 20, 2013 10:13:41am

re: #196 Sol Berdinowitz

I think this one warrants scandal even to those outside the Bubble. Not an impeachable, worldview-shocking, game-changing scandal, but something that needs to be dealt with thoroughly before it spreads.

The ‘scandal’ I see is that, exactly as predicted, the Patriot Act allows legal surveillance of Americans outside of the normal limits when it is an issue of national security, defined here as an investigation into a leak of the contents of some top-secret documents.

So if the result of it is pro-repeal of the Patriot Act, I can’t say I’m against that.

Also, I don’t buy that reporters have to have these kinds of relationships that result in leaks of top-secret material in order to do their jobs.

208 Mattand  Mon, May 20, 2013 10:14:15am

re: #194 Sol Berdinowitz

The AP scandal was pretty much ignored, but Obama has just made a martyr of a Fox reporter…

Look, if this is really what happened, fine. I have no problem with Obama and other repsonsible parties taken to task.

Here’s the thing: With few exceptions, the Scandal that Will Finally Bring Down Obama turns out a week later to be slightly exaggerated.

209 Ian G.  Mon, May 20, 2013 10:16:17am

Greenwald jumped the shark for me when he smeared Sam Harris as a racist because Harris refuses to mince words when talking about the unique problems presented to the world by Islamic fanaticism (and Harris refuses to blame “western imperialism” or to say that Christianity is just as bad, etc. etc.) That a gay Jewish man refuses to acknowledge that he would last about 10 minutes in a place like Karachi makes it clear to me that Greenwald has an agenda immune to facts and reason just as much as any right-winger.

210 wrenchwench  Mon, May 20, 2013 10:16:53am

re: #208 Mattand

Look, if this is really what happened, fine. I have no problem with Obama and other repsonsible parties taken to task.

Here’s the thing: With few exceptions, the Scandal that Will Finally Bring Down Obama turns out a week later to be slightly exaggerated.

It’s all part of the White House plan to get immigration reform passed.

/semi

211 Bulworth  Mon, May 20, 2013 10:17:24am

One thing I think we can all agree on is that every new scandal must be accepted immediately as true and moaned over loudly, because all claims of scandal are always completely accurate representations of what actually happened.

/

212 Bulworth  Mon, May 20, 2013 10:19:12am
The ‘scandal’ I see is that, exactly as predicted, the Patriot Act allows legal surveillance of Americans outside of the normal limits when it is an issue of national security, defined here as an investigation into a leak of the contents of some top-secret documents.

What is this ‘Patriot Act’ of which you speak? I bet it was stuck in the Obamacare bill because no one had time to read the reams of paper.

/

213 Lidane  Mon, May 20, 2013 10:20:09am

re: #207 klys

The ‘scandal’ I see is that, exactly as predicted, the Patriot Act allows legal surveillance of Americans outside of the normal limits when it is an issue of national security, defined here as an investigation into a leak of the contents of some top-secret documents.

So if the result of it is pro-repeal of the Patriot Act, I can’t say I’m against that.

What? You mean the Patriot Act was a shitty law passed during a time of panic and without regard for its full impact because ZOMG TERRORISTS?

Unpossible! I was told that the Patriot Act was needed and that if I had nothing to hide and loved Real America I wouldn’t object.

214 Kragar  Mon, May 20, 2013 10:20:25am

VA GOP Lt. Governor Nominee E.W. Jackson: Homosexuality Is ‘Poison,’ Democrats Are Slave Masters & Obama Is a Secret Muslim

With the ultraconservative Ken Cuccinelli as their candidate for governor, it only makes sense that Virginia Republican delegates picked far-right pastor and failed U.S. Senate candidate E. W. Jackson as their nominee for Lt. Governor.

Jackson is running on a “message to inspire and unite Virginia,” which apparently includes uniting Virginians around bigotry towards gays and lesbians, comparing Democrats to slave masters and the Antichrist and warning that President Obama is a secret Muslim.

216 erik_t  Mon, May 20, 2013 10:21:46am

re: #207 klys

Much like a gas, use of power expands to fill the vacuum of allowed-but-unused powers. This is why, y’know, we ought to be awfully thoughtful about broadly expanding government powers that ostensibly will be used for only one purpose.

217 Mattand  Mon, May 20, 2013 10:22:02am

re: #199 NJDhockeyfan

What is your opinion on that? Do you think journalists are overblowing this story too much?

See #208. Especially after the ABC Benghazi horseshit or Shirley Sherrod, for that matter. I want solid evidence. If Obama did something wrong, go after him with all legal guns available.

Given how you guys jump on every little fucking thing Obama does as proof that he’s HitlerStalinDamien, I’ll wait a week.

And to alluding to what Charles mentioned, you have a habit of cherry picking people like Greenwald or Dowd, who’ve had it in for Obama as much as Limbaugh and Hannity.

218 wrenchwench  Mon, May 20, 2013 10:22:43am
Adam Kokesh, the libertarian activist who is planning to lead a group of loaded-rifle-toting marchers through D.C. on July 4, is currently sitting in a federal detention center in Philadelphia following his arrest there last weekend. Kokesh was arrested Saturday while participating in the “Smoke Down Prohibition,” his staff announced on his Facebook page.

Kokesh and other participants in the pro-marijuana demonstration were taken into custody about 4:20 p.m.—when else?—on Saturday after sparking up joints on Independence Mall in downtown Philadelphia. Four others were also arrested by U.S. Park Police.

Since Saturday, Kokesh’s Facebook page has turned into a sea of “Free Adam!” comments. Several of his supporters gathered Monday morning outside the holding facility where Kokesh is currently detained. Kokesh, 31, is scheduled to go before a judge today at 1:30 p.m.

[…]

219 Mattand  Mon, May 20, 2013 10:23:25am

re: #209 Ian G.

Greenwald jumped the shark for me when he smeared Sam Harris as a racist because Harris refuses to mince words when talking about the unique problems presented to the world by Islamic fanaticism (and Harris refuses to blame “western imperialism” or to say that Christianity is just as bad, etc. etc.) That a gay Jewish man refuses to acknowledge that he would last about 10 minutes in a place like Karachi makes it clear to me that Greenwald has an agenda immune to facts and reason just as much as any right-winger.

Eh, Harris is an Islamophobe. I can’t fault Greenwald on that one.

220 A Mom Anon  Mon, May 20, 2013 10:24:18am

Can someone point me to an accurate summary of the AP thing that’s not loaded down with opinions in lieu of fact?

221 klys and whatnot  Mon, May 20, 2013 10:25:00am

re: #216 erik_t

Much like a gas, use of power expands to fill the vacuum of allowed-but-unused powers. This is why, y’know, we ought to be awfully thoughtful about broadly expanding government powers that ostensibly will be used for only one purpose.

BUT TERRORISTS!!!!1!!!1

222 Bulworth  Mon, May 20, 2013 10:25:09am

re: #218 wrenchwench

Political arrest! Just like that Muslim video guy!

223 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 20, 2013 10:28:04am

re: #217 Mattand

See #208. Especially after the ABC Benghazi horseshit or Shirley Sherrod, for that matter. I want solid evidence. If Obama did something wrong, go after him with all legal guns available.

Given how you guys jump on every little fucking thing Obama does as proof that he’s HitlerStalinDamien, I’ll wait a week.

And to allude to what Charles mentioned, you have a habit of cherry picking people like Greenwald or Dowd, who’ve had it in for Obama as much as Limbaugh and Hannity.

Howard Fineman and Ryan Lizza tweeted something similar. Are they in the same group as Greenwald and Dowd?

I haven’t said one way or the other as to whether the Obama admin did something wrong because I don’t know. Seeing how pissed off the press is right now if there is some dirt they will find it.

224 wrenchwench  Mon, May 20, 2013 10:29:31am

re: #220 A Mom Anon

Can someone point me to an accurate summary of the AP thing that’s not loaded down with opinions in lieu of fact?

I doubt it.

One would have to wade through a ton of the press writing about their favorite subject—themselves. Everybody’s favorite subject is themselves, but not everybody gets the opportunity to indulge on a professional basis.

I mean, an accurate summary can be done, but since I don’t have the time to do it myself, I’ll wait for a non-professional job.

225 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, May 20, 2013 10:30:23am

re: #208 Mattand

Look, if this is really what happened, fine. I have no problem with Obama and other repsonsible parties taken to task.

Here’s the thing: With few exceptions, the Scandal that Will Finally Bring Down Obama turns out a week later to be slightly exaggerated.

I am not calling this any thing other than a scandal that is going to do anything other than make Obama look bad a bit.

It made a martyr out of a Fox reporter, and that is going to be ridden into the ground as a sort of indirect justification for whatever other ridiculous crap they “heroically” report on him.

Just like the IRS scandal is going to be used as an indirect justificatino for being even less cooperative with the IRS than people had been before.

Bad, bad tactical moves, and another truckoad of fresh meat for the people who want to sick the dogs on Obama.

226 wrenchwench  Mon, May 20, 2013 10:30:31am

re: #223 NJDhockeyfan

Howard Fineman and Ryan Lizza tweeted something similar. Are they in the same group as Greenwald and Dowd?

I haven’t said one way or the other as to whether the Obama admin did something wrong because I don’t know. Seeing how pissed off the press is right now if there is some dirt they will find it.

IMHO, the Lizza tweet gets the most cred from me. But he’s outnumbered in your selection…..

227 Mattand  Mon, May 20, 2013 10:33:27am

re: #223 NJDhockeyfan

Howard Fineman and Ryan Lizza tweeted something similar. Are they in the same group as Greenwald and Dowd?

I haven’t said one way or the other as to whether the Obama admin did something wrong because I don’t know. Seeing how pissed off the press is right now if there is some dirt they will find it.

The same press that swallowed the ABC story last week? The same press that sat by with their keyboards up their asses when Bush had Colin Powell claim WMDs in Iraq?

Color me unimpressed.

And “you haven’t said one way or another” because that’s the same passive aggressive shit that Kilgore Trout does.

This is how it works: I support Obama and lean liberal. I think that next week, the Rosen as Martyr story will turn into something like his name mentioned in passing in some tangential investigation.

If it turns out that Obama was targeting him while twirling his mustache and cackling maniacally, I’ll admit I’m wrong.

228 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, May 20, 2013 10:34:01am

Here is the DOJ search warrant. I hope Lawhawk gets a chance to look it over and give his opinion (which I have much respect for).


THE D.O.J. VERSUS JAMES ROSEN

229 blueraven  Mon, May 20, 2013 10:35:23am

re: #223 NJDhockeyfan

Howard Fineman and Ryan Lizza tweeted something similar. Are they in the same group as Greenwald and Dowd?

I haven’t said one way or the other as to whether the Obama admin did something wrong because I don’t know. Seeing how pissed off the press is right now if there is some dirt they will find it.

I am all for freedom of the press…but really, does going after these national security leaks rise to the same level as government going after whistleblowers on corruption? I think there is a difference.
These leaks are a problem.

230 Kragar  Mon, May 20, 2013 10:37:22am

UPDATED: Virginia GOP Nominee For Attorney General Introduced Bill Forcing Women To Report Their Miscarriages To Police

If a woman in Virginia has a miscarriage without a doctor present, they must report it within 24 hours to the police or risk going to jail for a full year. At least, that’s what would have happened if a bill introduced by Virginia state Sen. Mark Obenshain (R) had become law.

And yet, the Virginia Republican Party wants to make Obenshain into the state’s top prosecutor. This weekend, Virginia Republicans selected Obenshain as their nominee to replace tea party stalwart Ken Cuccinelli (R) as the state’s attorney general.

231 Mattand  Mon, May 20, 2013 10:37:35am

re: #219 Mattand

Eh, Harris is an Islamophobe. I can’t fault Greenwald on that one.

To Christopher’s Bitchins, who downdinged for this comment:

1) LOL, truth hurts.
2) You know who else was an Islamophobe? Christopher Hitchens.

232 wrenchwench  Mon, May 20, 2013 10:39:20am

re: #230 Kragar

UPDATED: Virginia GOP Nominee For Attorney General Introduced Bill Forcing Women To Report Their Miscarriages To Police

Time to mail in all those used feminine hygiene devices—to be sure….

233 Bulworth  Mon, May 20, 2013 10:39:37am

re: #230 Kragar

Less Government, Vol. XXLVII

234 klys and whatnot  Mon, May 20, 2013 10:40:00am

re: #225 Sol Berdinowitz

I am not calling this any thing other than a scandal that is going to do anything other than make Obama look bad a bit.

It made a martyr out of a Fox reporter, and that is going to be ridden into the ground as a sort of indirect justification for whatever other ridiculous crap they “heroically” report on him.

Just like the IRS scandal is going to be used as an indirect justificatino for being even less cooperative with the IRS than people had been before.

Bad, bad tactical moves, and another truckoad of fresh meat for the people who want to sick the dogs on Obama.

So here’s the thing I don’t get about writing something like this: saying it’s a “bad, bad tactical move” implies that Obama knew something about what was going on.

Nowhere, on any of these ‘scandals’, has anyone provided any proof that Obama had any knowledge or involvement at any level. I mean, I get that apparently he is some sort of Superman who can do everything all the time, but really?

The only reason Republicans seem to care about Obama going after reporters who are suspected to have been involved in leaks of classified information is because he’s Obama.

Are there real and legit issues about the investigation of reporters in this sense? Well, yes, and I think that’s a fair discussion and why there should be a federal shield law for journalists, kind of like Obama and the Democrats have tried to pass. But forgive me for not getting worked out with the outrageous outrage. The right wing is going to go nuts on Obama no matter what. Even if he has no involvement at all.

235 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, May 20, 2013 10:40:08am

re: #233 Bulworth

Less Government, Vol. XXLVII

Family Values Bol XXLVIII

236 Gus  Mon, May 20, 2013 10:41:01am

Ooga booga Christopher Hitchens!

237 Bulworth  Mon, May 20, 2013 10:41:32am

re: #230 Kragar

Typical soshulist nanny state libruls, oh wait…..

238 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, May 20, 2013 10:41:58am

re: #234 klys

I am disparaging this for the fact that the Obama administration is feeding red meat to the right by pulling these stunts.

They are going to be outraged no matter what, but he is giving them something to sink their teeth into and start to sound legit and justified.

239 klys and whatnot  Mon, May 20, 2013 10:42:07am
240 Romantic Heretic  Mon, May 20, 2013 10:42:26am

re: #206 Charles Johnson

Glenn Greenwald is NOT a “lefty.”

From NJD’s point of view, he is.

Of course so is Atilla the Hun.

241 iossarian  Mon, May 20, 2013 10:42:31am

re: #232 wrenchwench

Time to mail in all those used feminine hygiene devices—to be sure….

These sick bastards and their Handmaid’s Tale fantasies.

242 blueraven  Mon, May 20, 2013 10:42:57am

re: #238 Sol Berdinowitz

I am disparaging this for the fact that the Obama administration is feeding red meat to the right by pulling these stunts.

They are going to be outraged no matter what, but he is giving them something to sink their teeth into and start to sound legit and justified.

He is not doing anything. The DOJ is.

243 A Mom Anon  Mon, May 20, 2013 10:43:14am

re: #229 blueraven

That’s what my understanding was, that this is about security leaks(which Republicans have stomped their feet and bitched about more than once with this administration), and not whistleblowing to expose corruption or government waste.

I get the impression, and this is just me trying to put two and two together, that leak is originating somewhere in Congress, be it an elected official or a staffer in some office. But again, I have only been able to gather a little bit of info out of all the SCANDAL!!11tyIMPEACH-ity shit on TV and the interwebs.

244 stabby  Mon, May 20, 2013 10:43:26am

re: #231 Mattand

Hitchens was an equal opportunity hater of God bothering. That’s not just defensible, it’s right. You and your “Mother Theresas” who set up hospices that deny dying people pain killers and medicine because she believes that suffering cleanses the soul, and your bullshit soul is all she cares about.

245 Mattand  Mon, May 20, 2013 10:45:28am

re: #234 klys

So here’s the thing I don’t get about writing something like this: saying it’s a “bad, bad tactical move” implies that Obama knew something about what was going on.

Nowhere, on any of these ‘scandals’, has anyone provided any proof that Obama had any knowledge or involvement at any level. I mean, I get that apparently he is some sort of Superman who can do everything all the time, but really?

The only reason Republicans seem to care about Obama going after reporters who are suspected to have been involved in leaks of classified information is because he’s Obama.

Are there real and legit issues about the investigation of reporters in this sense? Well, yes, and I think that’s a fair discussion and why there should be a federal shield law for journalists, kind of like Obama and the Democrats have tried to pass. But forgive me for not getting worked out with the outrageous outrage. The right wing is going to go nuts on Obama no matter what. Even if he has no involvement at all.

This.

246 wrenchwench  Mon, May 20, 2013 10:46:58am

re: #244 stabby

Hitchens was an equal opportunity hater of God bothering. That’s not just defensible, it’s right. You and your “Mother Theresas” who set up hospices that deny dying people pain killers and medicine because she believes that suffering cleanses the soul, and your bullshit soul is all she cares about.

MBF Does Pratfall. Film at 11.

247 Bulworth  Mon, May 20, 2013 10:46:58am

re: #243 A Mom Anon

Seriously, I wish the drama queens on Twitter would calm down and thoughtfully explain to the rest of us the exact nature of the issue beyond TARGETED SCANDAL TARGETED WATERGATE1111!!!11

248 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 20, 2013 10:47:09am

re: #239 klys

I’m so glad that they’re focused on the important things.

Like a laser beam!

249 Gus  Mon, May 20, 2013 10:47:32am

Ah well. Some things never change. And I’m out.

250 klys and whatnot  Mon, May 20, 2013 10:47:32am

re: #238 Sol Berdinowitz

I am disparaging this for the fact that the Obama administration is feeding red meat to the right by pulling these stunts.

They are going to be outraged no matter what, but he is giving them something to sink their teeth into and start to sound legit and justified.

If the DoJ did nothing to investigate the national security leaks, you’d have the right wing bitching about how Obama doesn’t care about national security. When they did investigate it, using the tools they had according to the rules and restrictions placed on them, the right wing is bitching about that. There is no winning here.

I think the sane portion of the American public has been catching on.

251 Stanghazi  Mon, May 20, 2013 10:47:40am

re: #229 blueraven

I am all for freedom of the press…but really, does going after these national security leaks rise to the same level as government going after whistleblowers on corruption? I think there is a difference.
These leaks are a problem.

Only during a Republican admin was national security something to care about. Now they don’t give a shit, probably because these pansies actually want something to happen.

252 blueraven  Mon, May 20, 2013 10:49:36am

re: #243 A Mom Anon

That’s what my understanding was, that this is about security leaks(which Republicans have stomped their feet and bitched about more than once with this administration), and not whistleblowing to expose corruption or government waste.

I get the impression, and this is just me trying to put two and two together, that leak is originating somewhere in Congress, be it an elected official or a staffer in some office. But again, I have only been able to gather a little bit of info out of all the SCANDAL!!11tyIMPEACH-ity shit on TV and the interwebs.

On the AP story it was about a serious leak involving a double agent that had infiltrated Al Queda. It wasn’t the AP they were really after, it was the source of the leak. Not only did the leaks put the mole (and others) in danger, it made it possible for Al Queda to possibly step up any planned plots.

253 A Mom Anon  Mon, May 20, 2013 10:51:43am

re: #251 Stanghazi

It will be interesting to see who votes for a shield law if the Dems can get one brought to the floor of the House. Seems like a lot of people are forgetting what the PATRIOT Act actually allows for from a legal standpoint. I seem to recall a time where those of us who were kinda freaked out by that whole thing were told if we had nothing to hide it was just peachy. But I’m just a dirty hippie, wtf do I know?

255 klys and whatnot  Mon, May 20, 2013 10:52:10am

re: #252 blueraven

On the AP story it was about a serious leak involving a double agent that had infiltrated Al Queda. It wasn’t the AP they were really after, it was the source of the leak. Not only did the leaks put the mole (and others) in danger, it made it possible for Al Queda to possibly step up any planned plots.

In today’s scandal, it was a reporter who wrote a story about tensions in NK which included information from a classified State Department report referencing CIA sources in NK within hours of several officials in the State Department being briefed on it. Complete with an e-mail code version of the flowerpot from Watergate.

256 Mattand  Mon, May 20, 2013 10:52:30am

re: #244 stabby

Hitchens was an equal opportunity hater of God bothering. That’s not just defensible, it’s right. You and your “Mother Theresas” who set up hospices that deny dying people pain killers and medicine because she believes that suffering cleanses the soul, and your bullshit soul is all she cares about.

Well, Stabs (can I call you Stabs? No? Well, tough shit):

1) I went atheist a while back, which, among other things, opened my eyes to the hypocrisy of Mother Theresa. So I’m with you on that one.

2) People like PZ Myers, not exactly wilting flowers of atheism, have called out Hitchens and Harris for their neanderthal views on dealing with Islam, i.e., pre-emptive military strikes on Muslim countries or unapologetic racial profiling.

3) I don’t have a soul, because they, like all gods, don’t exist.

See you at the next Godless Baby BBQ!!!

257 lawhawk  Mon, May 20, 2013 10:52:35am

re: #228 NJDhockeyfan

There has been bipartisan agreement that leaks that affect national security should be investigated fully. Now, the GOP is going after the Administration for doing just that.

Ryan Lizza’s argument, and presumably Greenwald’s, is that the Patriot Act and other laws should be repealed as it relates to the investigation into the leaks, insulating them from the DOJ investigation into the leaks.

There are two competing issues at work here.

1) National security - there are indeed leaks that relate to national security, the operation of foreign policy, and could undermine US interests abroad.

2) the right of the public to know, via journalists doing research and digging up problems. Whistleblowers help, but so too do leakers of confidential materials.

My own preference is that the investigating and prosecution on former (1) should trump the latter (2).

The Patriot Act is current law, and as such needs to be enforced as written.

If there are problems, fix them. The GOP thinks that they can club the Administration for attempting to fix a problem brought about by the application of the Patriot Act and to deal with leaks. While they may side with the AP or Rosen for the moment, don’t think for one moment that they wouldn’t do exactly what this Administration has done if they were in charge. They would go after the leakers in the same fashion (well, assuming that they were serious about their earlier claims to see leakers prosecuted).

If they want to see journalists retain their freedom to publish these leaks, they’ll sign on to the media shield law proposals, but don’t expect that to happen either.

The GOP is simply hoping to have their cake and eat it too. They’ll kvetch and call kerfuffle after kerfuffle a scandal of Watergate perspective, ignoring that they simply have bureaucratic infighting and poor legal guidance courtesy of Congressional bumbling over the years.

258 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 20, 2013 10:54:37am

re: #256 Mattand

Well, Stabs (can I call you Stabs? No? Well, tough shit):

1) I went atheist a while back, which, among other things, opened my eyes to the hypocrisy of Mother Theresa. So I’m with you on that one.

2) People like PZ Myers, not exactly wilting flowers of atheism, have called out Hitchens and Harris for their neanderthal views on dealing with Islam, i.e., pre-emptive military strikes on Muslim countries or unapologetic racial profiling.

3) I don’t have a soul, because they, like all gods, don’t exist.

See you at the next Godless Baby BBQ!!!

I have an issue with people who think they can get away with saying the most Islamophobic and Anti-Semitic shit because they’re “atheists” and “hate all religions equally” so it’s OK to hate Muslims and Jews.

I think they suck. Atheism is not an excuse for being a bigot.

259 klys and whatnot  Mon, May 20, 2013 10:55:26am

re: #258 Vicious Babushka

I have an issue with people who think they can get away with saying the most Islamophobic and Anti-Semitic shit because they’re “atheists” and “hate all religions equally” so it’s OK to hate Muslims and Jews.

I think they suck. Atheism is not an excuse for being a bigot.

Or an asshole.

260 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 20, 2013 10:56:27am

re: #259 klys

Or an asshole.

“Thou Shalt Not Be An Asshole” is one of the 10 Commandments.

Well even if it isn’t, it should be.

261 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, May 20, 2013 10:57:02am

re: #257 lawhawk

If there are problems, fix them

The GOP is simply hoping to have their cake and eat it too. They’ll kvetch and call kerfuffle after kerfuffle a scandal of Watergate perspective, ignoring that they simply have bureaucratic infighting and poor legal guidance courtesy of Congressional bumbling over the years.

That sums it up, the GOP is not about solving anything, they are about making Obama look bad any way they can.

262 klys and whatnot  Mon, May 20, 2013 10:58:08am

re: #260 Vicious Babushka

“Thou Shalt Not Be An Asshole” is one of the 10 Commandments.

Well even if it isn’t, it should be.

Wheaton’s Law holds everywhere: “Don’t be a dick.”

263 Mattand  Mon, May 20, 2013 11:03:07am

re: #262 klys

Wheaton’s Law holds everywhere: “Don’t be a dick.”

I once had a National Guardsman, a vet of Bosnia, tell me that I was what was wrong with America, because I admitted to being an atheist.

There are many places where Wheaton’s Law should not hold sway. That situation, and similar ones, are prime examples.

264 lawhawk  Mon, May 20, 2013 11:06:59am

re: #257 lawhawk

The flip side is that when you start prosecuting reporters for leaks, people who reporters rely upon for information (legal or otherwise) aren’t as forthcoming so the amount and quality of reporting is affected; it has a chilling effect.

That reduces the ability of journalists to do their jobs in finding out how government operates (particularly in the national security area) and whether things are operating as they should - among others.

265 Charles Johnson  Mon, May 20, 2013 11:11:52am

re: #264 lawhawk

The flip side is that when you start prosecuting reporters for leaks, people who reporters rely upon for information (legal or otherwise) aren’t as forthcoming so the amount and quality of reporting is affected; it has a chilling effect.

That reduces the ability of journalists to do their jobs in finding out how government operates (particularly in the national security area) and whether things are operating as they should - among others.

True — but the same thing holds for governments. When leaks like this happen, foreign governments are much less likely to cooperate with the US because they lose trust that the US won’t blow an operation’s cover. This is why the DOJ is being so aggressive about this one - the damage to our intelligence on Al Qaeda was substantial.

266 stabby  Mon, May 20, 2013 11:18:24am

re: #258 Vicious Babushka

I have an issue with people who think they can get away with saying the most Islamophobic and Anti-Semitic shit because they’re “atheists” and “hate all religions equally” so it’s OK to hate Muslims and Jews.

I think they suck. Atheism is not an excuse for being a bigot.

God is not a group of people. A belief system is not a person. And a belief that denies people basic rights does not deserve any defense even if a billion people believe it.

Actual humans and actual rights need to be defended. The mystical presumption of authority on the other hand deserves nothing but constant attack, even though that hurts many prefabricated “feelings”.

One thing I’ve noticed lately is that the people who complain loudest that they’re oppressed are never oppressed, rather, they’re always the people who are losing illegitimate authority over others. The people who scream “victim” are the former and wanna-be victimizers.

This applies to those who used to oppress women for their sexuality, those who oppressed gays, it applies to Sunnis in Iraq who used to oppress the Shiites and now just blow up a hundred a month, it applies to Muslims who used to oppress Jews in the middle east.

Attacking oppression makes one look like an asshole to people who are easily fooled. Too bad.

267 stabby  Mon, May 20, 2013 11:19:13am

re: #262 klys

Wheaton’s Law holds everywhere: “Don’t be a dick.”

You don’t think that’s superseded by “don’t be a dupe?”

268 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Mon, May 20, 2013 11:21:11am

re: #259 klys

Or an asshole.

Atheism and assholeism suffer false correlation. Assholeism is independent of everything else.

269 Ian G.  Mon, May 20, 2013 11:25:54am

re: #258 Vicious Babushka

I have an issue with people who think they can get away with saying the most Islamophobic and Anti-Semitic shit because they’re “atheists” and “hate all religions equally” so it’s OK to hate Muslims and Jews.

I think they suck. Atheism is not an excuse for being a bigot.

I think this depends on how you’re defining Islamophobia or anti-Semitism. Someone who makes the claim that Jews are greedy is an anti-semite. Someone who points out all the terrible things in the book of Exodus or Leviticus and warns us about those who take such books seriously is not an anti-semite.

270 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 20, 2013 11:28:03am

re: #269 Ian G.

I think this depends on how you’re defining Islamophobia or anti-Semitism. Someone who makes the claim that Jews are greedy is an anti-semite. Someone who points out all the terrible things in the book of Exodus or Leviticus and warns us about those who take such books seriously is not an anti-semite.

I think someone who believes, wrongly, that Orthodox Jews take literally everything that is written in Exodus and Leviticus and should therefore be hated on, is an Anti-Semite.

271 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Mon, May 20, 2013 11:34:01am

re: #270 Vicious Babushka

I think someone who believes, wrongly, that Orthodox Jews take literally everything that is written in Exodus and Leviticus and should therefore be hated on, is an Anti-Semite.

Where does this happen?

272 stabby  Mon, May 20, 2013 11:34:10am

The model of society as an armed truce between various religious hierarchies each of which promotes delusion, oppression, thwarted human potential, and censorship is a deep disappointment. I wish we could get past “respecting people’s deeply held beliefs.”

273 wrenchwench  Mon, May 20, 2013 11:39:14am

re: #272 stabby

The model of society as an armed truce between various religious hierarchies each of which promotes delusion, oppression, thwarted human potential, and censorship is a deep disappointment. I wish we could get past “respecting people’s deeply held beliefs.”

When that happens, we get past ‘respecting people’.

Nobody deserves so much respect that they get to impose their beliefs, or lack of beliefs, on anybody else. Fair enough?

274 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Mon, May 20, 2013 11:42:36am

re: #273 wrenchwench

When that happens, we get past ‘respecting people’.

Nobody deserves so much respect that they get to impose their beliefs, or lack of beliefs, on anybody else. Fair enough?

Would you be OK with disrespecting the belief in leprechauns? Or homeopathy?

275 wrenchwench  Mon, May 20, 2013 11:46:18am

re: #274 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

Would you be OK with disrespecting the belief in leprechauns? Or homeopathy?

I have a dear sister in law who believes in Homeopathy. I do not disrespect her for that. I did say that I don’t believe in it myself.

I have not had the challenge of meeting a person who believes in leprechauns.

276 stabby  Mon, May 20, 2013 11:46:38am

Yeah, but you know there’s no way to do this without loud screaming matches over every opinion.

Those of us who don’t believe are promoting damnation and Satan, don’t you know. We can be quiet or we can be assholes.

You know the Republicans have gone nuts largely on the fact that we’re reaching a tipping point on gay marriage, and we long ago reached one on contraception and divorce… But it’s not as if people are really putting their whole belief system in its place. No one is electing Richard Dawkins to public office. We have gay officials but none who wear shirts that say “queer” on them. Heh, maybe, without the rest of us noticing part of what made the Right lose its mind was that Barry changed his name to Barack - that’s standing up, a little.

Imagine how they’d react if everyone was standing up.

277 stabby  Mon, May 20, 2013 11:47:24am

@273 was a response to re: #273 wrenchwench

278 stabby  Mon, May 20, 2013 11:47:58am

Er 276 was a response to 273 DOH

279 Obdicut is an Obdislut apparently  Mon, May 20, 2013 11:48:02am

re: #244 stabby

Hitchens was an equal opportunity hater of God bothering. That’s not just defensible, it’s right.

Then how come you think that Islam is an especially evil religion, worse than Christianity?

280 stabby  Mon, May 20, 2013 11:50:35am

re: #279 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts

I could argue, but the results speak for themselves.

281 wrenchwench  Mon, May 20, 2013 11:51:12am

re: #276 stabby

Yeah, but you know there’s no way to do this without loud screaming matches over every opinion.

No, I don’t know that.

282 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Mon, May 20, 2013 11:53:55am

re: #275 wrenchwench

I have a dear sister in law who believes in Homeopathy. I do not disrespect her for that. I did say that I don’t believe in it myself.

I have not had the challenge of meeting a person who believes in leprechauns.

I wasn’t speaking of disrespecting the person so much as disrespecting the belief. I realize most people tend to have a strong link between their sense of worth and their closely held beliefs, but it is possible to debunk a belief without attacking the believer directly. I’ve used the tactic on my younger brother when he fell into a few conspiracies.

283 Obdicut is an Obdislut apparently  Mon, May 20, 2013 11:54:42am

re: #280 stabby

I could argue, but the results speak for themselves.

Your arguments, when we have them, are absolutely fucking pathetic, as they are basically a carbon copy of Robert Spencer’s. You ignore history, focus on the present moment exclusively, and ignore geopolitics wholesale. It’s pathetic, but not quite as pathetic of you trying to act as though you’re not bigoted. At least have the guts to admit that you don’t think Hitchens was right to be an ‘equal opportunity’ religion-slammer, you think Islam is especially evil.

284 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Mon, May 20, 2013 11:57:45am

re: #279 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts

Then how come you think that Islam is an especially evil religion, worse than Christianity?

It isn’t. Religion’s danger in its ease of use as a motivator. Currently it is being used most obviously in the middle east where there are official or unofficial Muslim theocracies.

285 stabby  Mon, May 20, 2013 11:58:15am

re: #283 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts

Hitchens argued every particular of religious delusion, and he was right to do that.

But if you asked him who was promoting terrorism, he’d give you a detailed list, and it would contain more Muslim clerics than Christian ones.

You’re awfully presumptuous, as always. And that’s because your argument is weak. Presumption and contempt substitute for being correct.

You pound the table. And I don’t have any patience for you or for people like you.

286 wrenchwench  Mon, May 20, 2013 11:59:29am

re: #282 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

I wasn’t speaking of disrespecting the person so much as disrespecting the belief. I realize most people tend to have a strong link between their sense of worth and their closely held beliefs, but it is possible to debunk a belief without attacking the believer directly. I’ve used the tactic on my younger brother when he fell into a few conspiracies.

You can do that with your brother, I could do that with my sister in law (if we had more than a few quiet moments together every few years.) But when stabby says, ‘I wish we could get past “respecting people’s deeply held beliefs,” ’ I don’t think that’s what he has in mind.

Tell me if I’m wrong, stabby.

287 stabby  Mon, May 20, 2013 12:01:38pm

Also if you ask about the oppression of women and little girls… there’s no comparison. If you ask about antisemitism, no comparison.

And on and on, that little pink islamic energizer bunny keeps going and going

288 stabby  Mon, May 20, 2013 12:03:09pm

re: #286 wrenchwench

shrug, what are you trying to say? I was talking about public discourse, policy, culture, everything.

289 Obdicut is an Obdislut apparently  Mon, May 20, 2013 12:04:22pm

re: #285 stabby

Hitchens argued every particular of religious delusion, and he was right to do that.

But if you asked him who was promoting terrorism, he’d give you a detailed list, and it would contain more Muslim clerics than Christian ones.
.

Yes. And that’s true. But that doesn’t say anything about Islam vs. Christianity.

Your contention is that Islam, in itself, is more evil, for various moronic reasons like claiming Muslims have to take the text all ‘literally’ and that your analysis of the text (where is this published, again?) shows that, no really guys, the Qu’ran is worse than the Tanakh and the Christian Bible.

It is a pathetic set of arguments, and that you continue to hold onto them does demonstrate your near-complete lack of ability to look critically at your own positions.

290 wrenchwench  Mon, May 20, 2013 12:06:23pm

re: #288 stabby

shrug, what are you trying to say? I was talking about public discourse, policy, culture, everything.

I’m saying that you have no problem with disrespecting people who believe that their religion has a good influence in their lives. See # 287.

291 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, May 20, 2013 12:06:47pm

re: #279 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts

Then how come you think that Islam is an especially evil religion, worse than Christianity?

Because he’s the product of a cultural complex of European-American hegemony in which the problematic aspects of our history are overlooked or lionized as “necessary for civilization” while non-European, non-White cultural complexes are assessed largely on the basis of whether or not they inconvenience that very same cultural complex of European-American hegemony?

Because wiping away context and rendering judgement on The Other is a stable feature of pseudo-intellectual privilege, as is the formulation of The Other as a static, homogenous population that can be understood stripped of context?

Because he’s the kind of guy that honestly thinks that repeating his opinion is a “rational” argument, and uses the accusation of irrationality the way a squid uses an ink cloud?

292 stabby  Mon, May 20, 2013 12:07:43pm

re: #289 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts

Well, the fact that Mohammad was no Jesus is not arguable. He’s in an analogous position, but he’s an infinitely worse example and his philosophy is also much worse.

And if you argue that it doesn’t matter, then look at the results in the real world. The Muslim world is suffering from the power of bad philosophy and the exalting of the bad example. They’re suffering now and they will continue to suffer in the future.

I’ll tell you where the differences don’t matter, the differences between Islam and Christianity don’t matter in the fictional world that you invented in your head so that you could make a politically correct argument.

That’s not a place that matters.

293 stabby  Mon, May 20, 2013 12:09:57pm

Specifics matter, and one specific is that Mohammad killed, enslaved and tortured whole families for criticizing him.

There goes all intellectual freedom.

294 Obdicut is an Obdislut apparently  Mon, May 20, 2013 12:10:35pm

re: #292 stabby

Well, the fact that Mohammad was no Jesus is not arguable. He’s in an analogous position, but he’s an infinitely worse example and his philosophy is also much worse.

And the fact that Christians don’t really act at all, in any way, like Jesus is also pretty not arguable, and yet you think the differences between Jesus and Mohammad are really important to the way Christians and Muslims act.

And if you argue that it doesn’t matter, then look at the results in the real world. The Muslim world is suffering from the power of bad philosophy and the exalting of the bad example. They’re suffering now and they will continue to suffer in the future.

And where Christianity actually holds sway in terms of culture and government, people are suffering too.

And in Myanmar, Buddhists slaughtered Muslims.

It’s all a rich tapestry.

295 Obdicut is an Obdislut apparently  Mon, May 20, 2013 12:12:35pm

re: #293 stabby

Specifics matter, and one specific is that Mohammad killed, enslaved and tortured whole families for criticizing him.

There goes all intellectual freedom.

And the God of the Israelites commanded genocide, and many of the great Jewish heroes of the Tanakh murdered, committed incest, genocide, slaughter, etc. etc. And the Tanakh is also not allowed to be altered. And yet somehow, you’ve never come up with an explanation of why, with an incredibly violent text like that and heroes that literally committed genocide, Judaism isn’t all terribly evil to you too.

296 Obdicut is an Obdislut apparently  Mon, May 20, 2013 12:17:51pm

re: #295 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts

If there is one easy lesson to be learned about religion, it’s to read all the blood and death and crazy fucking shit in the Tanakh, and then look at the way that observant Jews actually behave, at the lives of peace and charity lived by so many Jews.

We’re humans. We not only don’t take anything literally, we’re not even capable of it, because language is not a set of numbers with perfectly assigned values and definitions.

297 stabby  Mon, May 20, 2013 12:19:11pm

re: #295 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts

Well Muslims committed genocide Bangladesh recently, in Armenia. And it isn’t even safe to mention the genocide if you live in Turkey, they’ll throw you in jail.

Not only has there been no apology, but the Islamists are trying to preserve their moral privilege to commit genocide in the future. I’ve read many many interviews with ordinary Muslims in Egypt and even places like Jerusalem where they support (or believe in a religious duty toward) genocide against the Jews, even if they imagine their own families dying in the war too.

It’s not up to you to decide that Islam doesn’t support genocide, it’s up to Muslims, and I’m not seeing success.

298 Obdicut is an Obdislut apparently  Mon, May 20, 2013 12:23:45pm

re: #297 stabby

Congrats, your response didn’t have a fucking thing to do with what I said, but it does display your ever-shifting justifications for your claim that Islam is the most evil religion.

Sometimes you claim that it’s because, hey, look at the world around you, Islam is obviously more evil! (This explanation, of course, requires ignoring history, and the many times when Christianity was up to far more evil int he world.)

Sometimes you claim it’s because the Qu’ran, which you claim to have read, is full of evil stuff and they have to take it literally. (This explanation, of course, ignores the Tanakh and the violence and bloodshed in that.)

That you constantly rework your argument is one of the many signs of its extreme sophomoric idiocy.

299 stabby  Mon, May 20, 2013 12:24:35pm

re: #298 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts

Am I the first person to tell you that you have trouble with context?

300 stabby  Mon, May 20, 2013 12:26:08pm

If you’re actually incapable of seeing how my response answers your argument then you’re not a bright person at all.

On the other hand pretending to be too stupid to understand an argument is not a winning tactic.

301 Obdicut is an Obdislut apparently  Mon, May 20, 2013 12:29:26pm

re: #299 stabby

Am I the first person to tell you that you have trouble with context?

Yeah, pretty much.

re: #300 stabby

If you’re actually incapable of seeing how my response answers your argument then you’re not a bright person at all.

On the other hand pretending to be too stupid to understand an argument is not a winning tactic.

No, what I see is that your reponse is a dodging away from the topic. I’ve made it very clear: You have two unrelated arguments; one is that the text and the character of Mohammed shows that Islam is evil, another is that the way that Muslims act in the world show that Islam is evil. I’ve addressed both of them, and you’re unable to actually reply to them. You just keep restating them as though I hadn’t said what I did.

If you want to try to actually argue, then defend the contention that the text and the character of Mohammed really matter, given the Tanakh and personages such as David in it, and defend the contention that the way that Muslims act in this world show the evil of Islam given, you know, the history of Christians in this world.

Rambling about how Muslims support genocide doesn’t serve to defend your position or explain those contradictions.

302 wrenchwench  Mon, May 20, 2013 12:29:27pm

re: #300 stabby

If you’re actually incapable of seeing how my response answers your argument then you’re not a bright person at all.

On the other hand pretending to be too stupid to understand an argument is not a winning tactic.

Pretending to be smart enough to make an argument isn’t helping your case any.

303 stabby  Mon, May 20, 2013 12:32:16pm

re: #301 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts

For some reason the fact that reality validates theory makes no sense to you.

Sorry, I can’t make your mind do its job.

This conversation is over.

304 wrenchwench  Mon, May 20, 2013 12:36:21pm

re: #303 stabby

Obdicut wins!

305 Obdicut is an Obdislut apparently  Mon, May 20, 2013 12:44:41pm

re: #303 stabby

For some reason the fact that reality validates theory makes no sense to you.

Sorry, I can’t make your mind do its job.

This conversation is over.

And again, you ignore the ‘history’ part, where Christian countries like, oh, Nazi Germany, existed.

The way to judge religions that are around for hundreds of years is not to look at the present moment. Not if you want to look credible.

What the hell does it mean to say ‘the conversation is over’? Does it just mean “I can’t actually come up with something to deal with either of the criticisms you’ve brought, so I’m going to restate the premise as though you hadn’t criticized it”?

306 klys and whatnot  Mon, May 20, 2013 12:44:55pm

…and this, right here, is where Wheaton’s Law needs to hold.*

And no, it doesn’t get pre-empted by “Don’t be a dupe” because it is possible to be an atheist and not be a dick. Or a giant asshole.

You can think whatever you want to in the privacy of your own head, but when having a discussion about someone else’s beliefs, it’s not that hard to try to be respectful.

* I’ll acknowledge that if Wheaton’s Law is violated by the other party first, it is at times acceptable to be a dick back.

307 stabby  Mon, May 20, 2013 12:49:52pm

re: #305 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts

The way to judge religions that are around for hundreds of years is not to look at the present moment.

I laughed out loud, that’s the funniest excuse ever.

What the hell does it mean to say ‘the conversation is over’?

It means that I judge you to be too dense to be worth any effort. You don’t argue in good faith or you have some other problem..

308 stabby  Mon, May 20, 2013 12:52:42pm

Heh heh, imagine if we used that criteria for sciences. “the way to find out the nature of something is not to look at the present moment”

If you make up stupid rules that make judgement impossible you can claim to invalidate every possible test…. And it convincies everyone who buys that you’re God and get to make up the rules of science and logic etc. etc.

309 Obdicut is an Obdislut apparently  Mon, May 20, 2013 12:53:57pm

re: #307 stabby

I laughed out loud, that’s the funniest excuse ever.

Again, you’re not making any sense. You think that you can judge a religion without looking at the history of the religion? Can you explain how that works? What’s the time-frame you’re looking at? Literally just the present moment, or like, a ten year span, or twenty, or fifty?

And how does this argument mesh with your other one that, you read the qu’ran and it contains, no really guys, terrible stuff and Muslims have to take it all literally?

It seems more and more that your contention is just that A=A, that right now, there are more Muslim extremists in the world than there are Christian extremists. Which doesn’t prove anything, at all, about Islam.

It means that I judge you to be too dense to be worth any effort. You don’t argue in good faith or you have some other problem.

Stabby, you constantly say that you’re leaving, that the conversation is over, that you’re done, and then you keep posting, sometimes thirty, forty more times. You can’t even get that right.

310 Obdicut is an Obdislut apparently  Mon, May 20, 2013 12:54:46pm

re: #308 stabby

Heh heh, imagine if we used that criteria for sciences. “the way to find out the nature of something is not to look at the present moment”

Yeah. Like, you know, biology, geology, physics, all those things where looking at the past is absolutely vital.

Are you trying to make yourself look silly now?


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