Jack Shafer: Why the Underwear-Bomber Leak Infuriated the Obama Administration

A leak once sprung can turn into a gusher
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Reuters columnist Jack Shafer has a very interesting piece on the AP leak investigation, taking a position that’s rather contrary to the rest of the media:

The AP story that has so infuriated the government described the breakup of an al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula plot to place an underwear bomber on board a U.S.-bound airliner. Published on the afternoon of May 7, 2012, the story patted itself on the back for having heeded the White House and CIA requests to not publish the previous week, when the AP first learned of the operation. The AP states in the article that it published only after being told by “officials” that the original “concerns were allayed.” In a chronology published in today’s Washington Post, we’re told that the CIA was no longer resisting publication of the AP story on the day it hit the wire (Monday) and that the White House was planning to “announce the successful counterterrorism operation that Tuesday.”

That may be the case, but the government was still incensed by the leak. In fact, it appears that officials were livid. As my Reuters colleagues Mark Hosenball and Tabassum Zakaria reported last night, the government found the leak so threatening that it opened a leak investigation before the AP ran its story.

Now, what would make the Obama administration so furious? My guess is it wasn’t the substance of the AP story that has exasperated the government but that the AP found a source or sources that spilled information about an ongoing intelligence operation and that even grander leaks might surge into the press corps’ rain barrels.

At the risk of making the Department of Justice’s argument for it, a leak once sprung can turn into a gusher as the original leakers keep talking and new ones join them, or as the government attempts to explain itself, or as others in the government begin to speak out of turn. From what I can tell, all of the above happened after the AP story appeared.

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110 comments
1 blueraven  Mon, May 20, 2013 10:57:46am

I am sure he is taking heat from his fellow journalists. But it is nice to see another perspective from the press.

2 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, May 20, 2013 10:59:20am

There is whistle blowing”, which is about politicians trying to hide something that should be made public.

Then there are leaks of things like ongoing terror investigations, which should not.

There might be cases where they overlap. I do not see the AP scandal as one of them.

3 klys and whatnot  Mon, May 20, 2013 10:59:57am

Republicans want this to be a “scandal” so they are glossing over the reality of why these investigations were happening in the first place. Of course, we know no real reform of either the Patriot Act or introduction of a federal shield law for journalists will be forthcoming, but hey. OUTRAGE.

And with that, I have too many errands to do today.

4 Kragar  Mon, May 20, 2013 11:04:41am

You know, when the government detects a security leak, wouldn’t it be more of a scandal if they didn’t investigate it?

5 A Mom Anon  Mon, May 20, 2013 11:16:07am

I understand that if you start prosecuting or going after reporters it’s going to put a chill on the info they can get from sources. Which in turn makes it harder for whistleblowers to come forward and report waste, fraud, abuse and just plain illegal stuff. And I think we do have the right to know how our government agencies function.

So, what’s the line that should be drawn? If someone is leaking high clearance security info, it’s going to get people killed, and ruin intel that could really stop something awful from happening. I don’t know what the answer is, but I do find it interesting that the press is all up in arms now and they could have given two shits about the passing of the PATRIOT Act and other measures taken after 9/11 that could be abused and used to do a whole host of unnecessary things to all of us, press corps or not.

6 Mattand  Mon, May 20, 2013 11:16:40am

re: #4 Kragar

You know, when the government detects a security leak, wouldn’t it be more of a scandal if they didn’t investigate it?

If you’re a Republican, it depends on how African-American your President is.

7 dragonath  Mon, May 20, 2013 11:16:42am

Across the pond:

UKIP councillors’ racist rants: More of Nigel Farage’s troops exposed as bigots

Details of their vitriol emerged only days after Eric Kitson quit as a councillor in Stourbridge, Worcs, after we exposed his internet slurs against Muslims and Jews.

Ukip’s Chris Pain, leader of the opposition at Lincs Council and the party’s East Midlands regional chairman, wrote: “Have you noticed that if you ­rearrange the letters in ‘illegal ­immigrants’, and add just a few more letters, it spells, ‘Go home you free-loading, benefit-grabbing, resource-sucking, baby-making, non-English-speaking ********* and take those other hairy-faced, sandal-wearing, bomb-making, camel-riding, goat-********, [bigoted word] ******** with you.’”

Peter Entwistle, party chairman in Bury, Greater Manchester, labelled President Barack Obama a Muslim, writing: “I bet he’s a closet ‘Imam’ as well!

The party’s deputy chairman in Scotland, Misty Thackeray, “liked” a Facebook group claiming “paedophilia is part of Islamic tradition”.

He also praised far-right Dutch politician Geert Wilders, a self-­confessed “hater of Islam”

The worst part? This party is polling something like 20% in recent polls. Breitbart rhetoric gets around.

8 Charles Johnson  Mon, May 20, 2013 11:20:59am

re: #5 A Mom Anon

I understand that if you start prosecuting or going after reporters it’s going to put a chill on the info they can get from sources. Which in turn makes it harder for whistleblowers to come forward and report waste, fraud, abuse and just plain illegal stuff. And I think we do have the right to know how our government agencies function.

About this, I just posted in the previous thread:

True — but the same thing holds for governments. When leaks like this happen, foreign governments are much less likely to cooperate with the US because they lose trust that the US won’t blow an operation’s cover. This is why the DOJ is being so aggressive about this one - the damage to our intelligence on Al Qaeda was substantial.

9 lawhawk  Mon, May 20, 2013 11:26:44am

re: #8 Charles Johnson

It’s all part of the balancing act. We were trying to go after AQ in Yemen, and releasing all kinds of details about how we went about it - while the mission and assets could have been in place, directly harms that mission and reduces the likelihood that others will work with us going forward. Who wants to stick their neck out for the chance to be a contestant on “What will the media leak Next?” when the prize is dancing from the end of a rope or worse.

Years from now, it would be nice to learn that the US had managed to infiltrate AQAP and was able to thwart multiple planned attacks and other details. I don’t want that happening concurrently while those missions are ongoing because that directly affects the ability of the US national security agencies to do their jobs and work with those who have made it possible.

10 erik_t  Mon, May 20, 2013 11:27:52am

re: #8 Charles Johnson

It also erodes the political capital supporting the (actual implementation of the) freedom of the press in the first place. Repeated leaks like this make Patriot-style legislation more attractive, in turn reducing the press’s ability to break stories of other types.

No free lunch, etc.

11 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, May 20, 2013 11:28:17am

I’m trying to figure out why someone would leak it to the press in the first place. Surely this person had to know the sensitive nature of the operation and that maybe, just maybe, it wasn’t a good idea to blow the lid off it too soon.

12 Ian G.  Mon, May 20, 2013 11:28:46am

OT, but the tornado watch boxes have started popping up:

spc.noaa.gov

Stay safe, Missouri, Kansas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, and Texas.

13 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, May 20, 2013 11:30:28am

re: #10 erik_t

It also erodes the political capital supporting the (actual implementation of) the freedom of the press in the first place. Repeated leaks like this make Patriot-style legislation more attractive, in turn reducing the press’s ability to break stories of other types.

No free lunch, etc.

There are times when these interests overlap, but “making us look like dorks” should not be a major security issue in any healthy democracy.

Remember the old joke from the Soviet Union:

“Kraskin just got eleven years for calling Brezhnev an idiot!”

“Why such a stiff sentence?”

“One year for insulting Soviet authority and ten years for divulging state secrets!”

14 geoffm33  Mon, May 20, 2013 11:33:27am

re: #6 Mattand

If you’re a Republican, it depends on how African-American your President is.

I have a feeling the blackness of the POTUS has reached it’s tipping point. It will be how “Hillary” the POTUS is, or the like, for any POTUS with a (D) next to their name.

15 lawhawk  Mon, May 20, 2013 11:33:44am

re: #11 Eclectic Cyborg

Timing is often the key.

Hypothetical mission takes place, killing AQ in Yemen. No American lives were at stake, and our assets were all accounted for. Do you leak details of the mission 24 hours after, 48 hours, 72? 6 months? 1 year? 5 years? 30 years?

Well, depends on who, what, when, why, and how the mission occurred.

If we have a double agent in place, you put that person’s life in danger until such a time that the person is no longer in that position (extracted, killed, dies, etc.) If you use a particular tactic once, you might not be able to use the same tactic if that becomes known via a leak, so delaying details might be useful.

We saw some of that with the OBL raid - some details leaked out about the nature of the raid, some of the equipment used, and what happened. Would it have made sense to keep some of the details secret - like the kind of helicopters used? Perhaps - it makes it more difficult to use the same tactics again.

16 Kragar  Mon, May 20, 2013 11:33:54am

There are times when “Whistleblowers” serve a vital purpose, exposing criminal behavior.

There are other times when “Whistleblowers” are just trying to sling mud and cause trouble in the name of a cause or for rewards.

They need to be watched and held accountable for their actions either way, either by thanking them for their information or filing criminal charges, depending on the circumstances.

17 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Mon, May 20, 2013 11:36:17am

re: #16 Kragar

There are times when “Whistleblowers” serve a vital purpose, exposing criminal behavior.

There are other times when “Whistleblowers” are just trying to sling mud and cause trouble in the name of a cause or for rewards.

They need to be watched and held accountable for their actions either way, either by thanking them for their information or filing criminal charges, depending on the circumstances.

Unfortunately there are zealots even in that group.

18 blueraven  Mon, May 20, 2013 11:36:26am

Maybe the press has been allowed to leak important security matters with impunity for so long, they think it is their prerogative to do so. Yes, there has to be a balance, but some of this is done just to get an exclusive scoop no matter the security risk involved, and sometimes it is purely political from the reporter.

19 iossarian  Mon, May 20, 2013 11:39:24am

re: #15 lawhawk

There are obviously compelling reasons for both state secrecy and the protection of whistleblowers. I probably come down closer on the “freedom of the press side” but I am prepared to accept a certain amount of compromise here. In any case, any compromise has to be arrived at by a combination of legislative negotiation and review of executive action by the judiciary.

But, in any case, that’s not what this “scandal” is about - if it were, the right-wingers making all the noise would have been making similar noise when the neocons were pushing through the Patriot Act (the very name gives the game away).

That’s the problem here. There’s a real debate to be had but you can’t have it with the Republicans because they are the functional equivalent of four year olds screaming themselves hoarse because they can’t get their way.

20 Kragar  Mon, May 20, 2013 11:41:19am

Barton: AIDS Is God’s Penalty for Those Who Engage in ‘Shameful Sexual Acts’

On today’s episode of “WallBuilders Live,” David Barton reiterated his belief that we will never be able to find a cure for AIDS because the disease is God’s punishment for homosexuality, but taking it a step further by saying that even if we do cure AIDS, new deadly diseases will continue to emerge because God says there must be a “penalty” for engaging in these kinds of “shameful sexual acts”:

“Never go full retard.”

21 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, May 20, 2013 11:42:41am

re: #19 iossarian

That’s the problem here. There’s a real debate to be had but you can’t have it with the Republicans because they are the functional equivalent of four year olds screaming themselves hoarse because they can’t get their way.

They see it as Obama picking on Fox News because for standing up to their abuses of power just as they see the IRS picking on the Tea party for daring to challenge Obama…

We do not need to be making martyrs out of these people to any further extent, they have enough of a victim mentality as it is.

22 erik_t  Mon, May 20, 2013 11:43:03am

re: #20 Kragar

Barton: AIDS Is God’s Penalty for Those Who Engage in ‘Shameful Sexual Acts’

“Never go full retard.”

God’s a pretty shitty biologist if he makes a gay-killer that 1) is not limited to gays and 2) in fact more strongly affects those who tend to procreate wildly than those who use condoms and whatnot.

Step up your game, Almighty.

23 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Mon, May 20, 2013 11:43:08am

re: #20 Kragar

Barton: AIDS Is God’s Penalty for Those Who Engage in ‘Shameful Sexual Acts’

“Never go full retard.”

Your warning is too late.

24 jaunte  Mon, May 20, 2013 11:43:41am

re: #20 Kragar

Barton panicked that his shame tool keeps shrinking.

25 blueraven  Mon, May 20, 2013 11:44:11am

re: #21 Sol Berdinowitz

They see it as Obama picking on Fox News because for standing up to their abuses of power just as they see the IRS picking on the Tea party for daring to challenge Obama…

We do not need to be making martyrs out of these people to any further extent, they have enough of a victim mentality as it is.

So the answer is just let it go?

26 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Mon, May 20, 2013 11:44:36am

re: #24 jaunte

Barton panicked that his shame tool keeps shrinking.

It is mighty cold where he sits.

27 Bulworth  Mon, May 20, 2013 11:44:48am

So what is the DOJ accusing the Fox guy of doing?

28 DisturbedEma  Mon, May 20, 2013 11:44:58am

re: #21 Sol Berdinowitz

Amen, which is ironic given their general attitude to helping people in need- no need for boot straps for them I guess…

29 Ian G.  Mon, May 20, 2013 11:45:08am

re: #20 Kragar

And in Benjamin Franklin’s day, they warned him that the lightning rod would interfere with God’s will, as lightning was obviously punishment for sinfulness.

Plus ca change….

30 Political Atheist  Mon, May 20, 2013 11:45:20am

re: #8 Charles Johnson

About this, I just posted in the previous thread:

True — but the same thing holds for governments. When leaks like this happen, foreign governments are much less likely to cooperate with the US because they lose trust that the US won’t blow an operation’s cover. This is why the DOJ is being so aggressive about this one - the damage to our intelligence on Al Qaeda was substantial.

IMHO-The elephant in the room on this is the simple fact that the leaks are going to be somehow related to avenues of dispersal. The internet etc. Plus sometimes a real intrepid reporter is going to match or out pace out intel guys. Huge case in point Cristiane Amanpour said on the air that Osama Bin Laden in “in a villa in Pakistan”. Right on the money. Imagine the freakout if that had gotten to Osama and he moved or it had come out the wek before the raid. might we find out some day that raids did get aborted over issues like this? All classified for now.

31 Kragar  Mon, May 20, 2013 11:46:30am

2 Evangelicals are having sex.

The man stops and asks, “Is something wrong?”

The woman responds “No, why do you ask?”

“You moved.”

32 DisturbedEma  Mon, May 20, 2013 11:47:07am

re: #25 blueraven

Tough call- if ignored some will go Fatal Attraction and ramp it up, others will find something ELSE to be hurt about…yet there is no way to debate with some because facts do not matter, just feelings…must go watch the Rush Induction to HOF again…for balance to the universe

33 iossarian  Mon, May 20, 2013 11:47:20am

re: #21 Sol Berdinowitz

We do not need to be making martyrs out of these people to any further extent, they have enough of a victim mentality as it is.

“We” are not doing anything to make martyrs out of anyone. It’s all cooked-up bullshit by the right. The IRS thing is a classic example - they’re not targeting conservatives any more than anyone else, it’s just that pea-brained right-wingers get a letter from the IRS and think it’s because they’ve got a Glenn Beck bumper sticker on their fucking Chevy Blazer.

34 Bulworth  Mon, May 20, 2013 11:47:27am

re: #22 erik_t

I’m wondering about this “Well if a cure for AIDS is developed then other stuff blah blah blah..”

If AIDS is a disease straight from the Almight to punish teh how could a cure be developed? And how could life after HIV be prolonged, as it is now?

Wait, I get it, SCANDAL! Who’s spending tax payer $$ to cure AIDS———get a special prosecutor!!

/

35 lawhawk  Mon, May 20, 2013 11:48:07am

re: #27 Bulworth

documentcloud.org

36 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Mon, May 20, 2013 11:48:30am

re: #31 Kragar

2 Evangelicals are having sex.

The man stops and asks, “Is something wrong?”

The woman responds “No, why do you ask?”

“You moved.”

Horrible stereotype, but funny given the history of male attitudes toward female enjoyment of sex pre sexual revolution.

37 DisturbedEma  Mon, May 20, 2013 11:49:50am

re: #36 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

Is this the foundation for the “shut down the Rape baby” or the antithesis?

38 dragonath  Mon, May 20, 2013 11:50:24am

Hey, look, it’s the Catholic Church being dicks again

Cardinal skips Boston College commencement in abortion protest

Presence of Irish prime minister Enda Kenny, who supports bill to allow abortion, prompts Cardinal Sean O’Malley’s withdrawal

39 Charles Johnson  Mon, May 20, 2013 11:51:26am

In general, I’m also very much on the side of a free press. But there’s another big problem here: can we really trust the American media to be responsible when it comes to issues of national security? In an era when the media are increasingly debased, and focused mainly on profits and their own bottom lines, it’s pretty questionable whether national security is even an issue for them.

40 DisturbedEma  Mon, May 20, 2013 11:51:27am

re: #38 dragonath

Every sperm is sacred…///

41 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, May 20, 2013 11:52:27am

re: #33 iossarian

“We” are not doing anything to make martyrs out of anyone. It’s all cooked-up bullshit by the right. The IRS thing is a classic example - they’re not targeting conservatives any more than anyone else, it’s just that pea-brained right-wingers get a letter from the IRS and think it’s because they’ve got a Glenn Beck bumper sticker on their fucking Chevy Blazer.

Let’s not throw them any red meat, these guys can survive on scraps.

42 DisturbedEma  Mon, May 20, 2013 11:53:21am

re: #39 Charles Johnson

I’ll go one further, I could see mass media outlets leak information in order to discredit a government they do not support…in order to “prove” that the ranting and histrionics about said government was right all along…yup cynic that’s me

43 Kragar  Mon, May 20, 2013 11:53:31am

E.W. Jackson: A Vote for Me is a Vote for ‘Glory of God’

Virginia’s new Republican Lt. Gov nominee E.W. Jackson made an unsuccessful run last year for the GOP nomination to the U.S. Senate. In this “message to the church” from that campaign, Jackson said there was a “calling on his life” to run for the Senate seat. He warned that “our culture is becoming increasingly hostile to Christianity” and he criticized Rep. Bobby Scott, a strong advocate of church-state separation. Jackson urged Christians to “rise up,” go to the polls, and “cast a vote for the glory of God,” i.e., for his Senate candidacy. The section quoted below begins at 2:35.

Why might be becoming hostile Christianity?

Because of self righteous assholes like this bloated cockbag wanting to legislate their morality onto the rest of us.

44 Charles Johnson  Mon, May 20, 2013 11:53:32am

If I had confidence that the media would behave responsibly with sensitive information, I’d be much more willing to back them up on issues like this. But the media have done a lot of things to violate that trust.

Nobody has clean hands here.

45 BigPapa  Mon, May 20, 2013 11:53:52am

re: #4 Kragar

You know, when the government detects a security leak, wouldn’t it be more of a scandal if they didn’t investigate it?

Just shut the hell up. Shut it. You Obambi lover.

46 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, May 20, 2013 11:54:48am

I think in a lot of cases the leaks are just about drawing eyeballs, of getting that big exclusive other outlets don’t have yet.

These organizations are willing to go to great lengths to be first out of the gate with a major story.

47 DisturbedEma  Mon, May 20, 2013 11:55:08am

re: #44 Charles Johnson

I agree that some hands are cleaner than others, sad but true

48 dragonath  Mon, May 20, 2013 11:55:23am

re: #43 Kragar

E.W. Jackson: A Vote for Me is a Vote for ‘Glory of God’

Why might be becoming hostile Christianity?

Because of self righteous assholes like this bloated cockbag wanting to legislate their morality onto the rest of us.

E.W. Jackson, meet the Middle Finger of Righteousness

49 jaunte  Mon, May 20, 2013 11:57:17am
50 iossarian  Mon, May 20, 2013 11:57:21am

re: #41 Sol Berdinowitz

Let’s not throw them any red meat, these guys can survive on scraps.

I want to upding this but I’m getting to the point where even this reasonable statement is beginning to sound like “don’t do anything vaguely liberal and basically agree to everything Boehner and Scalia throw out there”.

There’s so much bullshit flying around the right (see the list of shame from the last thread) that it’s becoming hard to maintain any kind of perspective on whether the Obama administration is stepping out of line or not, and I say that as someone who has regularly criticized the administration (from the left) in the past.

51 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, May 20, 2013 11:57:51am

re: #43 Kragar

E.W. Jackson: A Vote for Me is a Vote for ‘Glory of God’

This is beyond derp, it is megalomaniac.

52 blueraven  Mon, May 20, 2013 11:58:25am

In the Rosen case, he is pretty explicit that he wanted to get the scoop on his competitors, but he also said ‘we need to Expose wrongheaded policy so we can change it’ or something close to that. It sounds pretty activist for a “straight” reporter if you ask me.

53 Minor_L  Mon, May 20, 2013 11:58:40am

I think I would have been pissed at Bush if this exact same set of facts had existed then. So, I’m trying to be really careful before I support the DOJ’s position on this one. Indeed, this actually seems like the one “scandal” that the Republicans are not really harping on. For example, Mitch McConnell has defended the investigation: huffingtonpost.com

I don’t really know what my opinion is yet. That said, I do believe this is going too far:

It’s very WORSE THAN WATERGATE!

54 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Mon, May 20, 2013 11:59:59am

re: #37 DisturbedEma

Is this the foundation for the “shut down the Rape baby” or the antithesis?

Who knows what lurks in the minds of wingnut idiots?

55 A Mom Anon  Mon, May 20, 2013 12:00:48pm

re: #46 Eclectic Cyborg

I was just thinking it seems like it’s more about the “scoop” and less about giving a damn about actually informing the public. If the press in it’s current form really cared about informing the public so much of the misinformation swirling endlessly about wouldn’t be an issue. WMDs, Obamacare, the deficit and debt ceiling nonsense, Benghazi, sane gun laws and immigration policy, education, infrastructure. The press has mostly dropped the ball on ALL of this and then some.

56 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, May 20, 2013 12:01:22pm

re: #39 Charles Johnson

In general, I’m also very much on the side of a free press. But there’s another big problem here: can we really trust the American media to be responsible when it comes to issues of national security? In an era when the media are increasingly debased, and focused mainly on profits and their own bottom lines, it’s pretty questionable whether national security is even an issue for them.

It’s not, or their reporting on climate change would be honest, as would their reporting on a lot of other subjects.

I think it’s okay for the government to investigate leaks; I also think it’s okay for journalists to not give up sources. So I’m kind of on both sides of this one. The chilling effect is something to actually worry about.

Frankly, I am unconvinced that our blowing the asses off of Al-Queda number 2s in Pakistan and Yemen and the rest is really achieving anything. I don’t think it is. And I think that as long as we’re doing stuff like that, we’re going to have more restrictive freedom of the press— as someone said above, you get into the situation where laws like this are defensible because we’re at wurr wid terrah. As long as we are, we will probably be as tolerant as leaks about these missions as we would be as we were of Geraldo drawing his map in the dirt.

57 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Mon, May 20, 2013 12:01:50pm

re: #43 Kragar

E.W. Jackson: A Vote for Me is a Vote for ‘Glory of God’

Why might be becoming hostile Christianity?

Because of self righteous assholes like this bloated cockbag wanting to legislate their morality onto the rest of us.

The focus on Christianity is purely one of probability. There are more Christians in North America than any other belief system.

58 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, May 20, 2013 12:02:49pm

re: #50 iossarian

I want to upding this but I’m getting to the point where even this reasonable statement is beginning to sound like “don’t do anything vaguely liberal and basically agree to everything Boehner and Scalia throw out there”.

It not aoub “don’t make them mad”, it’s more a matter of “be careful not to give them even an inch or they will take a mile”. Granted, these people will cling to a micron if they think it will reflect badly on the administration.

59 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, May 20, 2013 12:04:31pm

re: #57 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

The focus on Christianity is purely one of probability. There are more Christians in North America than any other belief system.

These guys have a very narrow view of what comprises “True Christianity” and their view is far from a majority anywhere outside the church of their choice.

60 Charles Johnson  Mon, May 20, 2013 12:05:38pm

Uh, so this is a thing, I see.

#WhenISeeAObamaBumperSticker

Yes, that’s right. “When I see a Obama bumper sticker.”

Image: triplefacepalm.jpg

61 jaunte  Mon, May 20, 2013 12:06:07pm

re: #60 Charles Johnson

62 iossarian  Mon, May 20, 2013 12:06:14pm

re: #58 Sol Berdinowitz

It not aoub “don’t make them mad”, it’s more a matter of “be careful not to give them even an inch or they will take a mile”. Granted, these people will cling to a micron if they think it will reflect badly on the administration.

I totally agree that the administration needs to avoid unnecessarily giving them anything to latch onto.

What sucks though (and I’ve witnessed this first hand in a rather different, but also politically-motivated-by-right-wingers situation) is that the resulting paranoia can restrict you from getting anything done, even within the law.

63 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 20, 2013 12:06:34pm
64 iossarian  Mon, May 20, 2013 12:07:40pm

I don’t tweet, but when I see an Obama bumper sticker I act courteously towards the driver, confident that my behavior will be reciprocated.

65 FemNaziBitch  Mon, May 20, 2013 12:08:19pm

it’s MOnday and this the first story I opened and read today:

New Slaves —Kanya West.

You?

66 Single-handed sailor  Mon, May 20, 2013 12:10:29pm

OT. It’s noon and 89F. I think it may get warm today.

67 Bulworth  Mon, May 20, 2013 12:12:17pm
He warned that “our culture is becoming increasingly hostile to Christianity” and he criticized Rep. Bobby Scott, a strong advocate of church-state separation.

Translation: Fewer and fewer people are doing what we the church tell them to do.

68 dragonath  Mon, May 20, 2013 12:16:50pm

More on that visit from the Irish Taoiseach:

Boston.com:

During his visit, Kenny added his own token to the memorial: a bouquet of orange and white roses laced with green fauna — the colors of Ireland’s flag — tied together with ribbon of the same colors, on behalf of his home country.

“I wanted to come to this square today to show solidarity with the people of Boston,” Kenny said, according to a statement from Boston police. “It’s a privilege on behalf of the people of Ireland to lay flowers at the scene.”

Irish Independent:

Today, the Fine Gael leader, who was awarded an Honorary Doctorate in law from the prestigious school, delivered the commencement speech to the 6,000 strong audience, which earned him a standing ovation.

The 26 minute long speech touched on everything from Twitter, Rosa Parks, Elvis Presley and the birth of blue jeans.

Life News:

“Catholic students would be better off not attending their own graduation. Because if Mr. Kenny’s abortion proposal goes through, he will be responsible for turning the land of Saint Patrick into a pro-abortion wasteland.”

lol

69 Stanghazi  Mon, May 20, 2013 12:16:51pm

Did Hoops ever check in?

70 Kragar  Mon, May 20, 2013 12:18:06pm

E.W. Jackson: Obamas are Communist Sympathizers Who Promote the ‘Liberal Plantation of Psychological Bondage’

Jackson claimed that President Obama and the First Lady “don’t understand our country, I don’t think they even like it,” warning that the Obamas are “the intellectual cousins and heirs of a Communist, collectivist way of thinking which is anathema to what this country is all about.”

He said he intends to ask black voters why they are “allowing the Tea Party to be made into your enemy and the radical homosexual rights people to be made into your friends and allies when they reject everything you believe and most of the Tea Party activists embrace everything you believe.” Jackson urged African Americans to “come out of that indoctrination, what I call a liberal plantation of psychological bondage.”

71 Bulworth  Mon, May 20, 2013 12:18:12pm
our culture is becoming increasingly hostile to Christianity

Translation: kids listening to that crazy, demonized rock n roll music with those electric guitars. Oh wait, sorry, wrong decade.

72 lawhawk  Mon, May 20, 2013 12:19:24pm

re: #60 Charles Johnson

Uh, so this is a thing, I see.

#WhenISeeAObamaBumperSticker

Yes, that’s right. “When I see a Obama bumper sticker.”

Image: triplefacepalm.jpg

WhenISeeAnObamaBumperSticker

73 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, May 20, 2013 12:20:43pm

re: #62 iossarian

I totally agree that the administration needs to avoid unnecessarily giving them anything to latch onto.

What sucks though (and I’ve witnessed this first hand in a rather different, but also politically-motivated-by-right-wingers situation) is that the resulting paranoia can restrict you from getting anything done, even within the law.

The GOP is about keeping anything from getting done, especially making laws…

74 Bulworth  Mon, May 20, 2013 12:21:03pm
Jackson claimed that President Obama and the First Lady “don’t understand our country, I don’t think they even like it,” warning that the Obamas are “the intellectual cousins and heirs of a Communist, collectivist way of thinking which is anathema to what this country is all about.”

I’m pretty sure he’s plagiarizing this from some other wingnut windbag.

75 erik_t  Mon, May 20, 2013 12:21:12pm

re: #68 dragonath

Give them their due, those nutters sure have a flair for the dramatic. Who can read “pro-abortion wasteland” without bursting out laughing and/or crying?

76 iossarian  Mon, May 20, 2013 12:21:22pm

re: #72 lawhawk

WhenISeeAnObamaBumperSticker

ENGLISH, MOTHERFUCKER - DO YOU SPEAK IT?

77 lawhawk  Mon, May 20, 2013 12:21:27pm

re: #64 iossarian

I snicker at most anyone who puts a bumper sticker on their car - sucks for resale. But I reserve most snickers for those who put Ron Paul or Larouche stickers on their cars. I give them a wide berth with their libertarian take on what it means to stay in a lane. /

78 Charles Johnson  Mon, May 20, 2013 12:22:34pm

The wingnuts are all fired up today.

79 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, May 20, 2013 12:22:38pm

re: #77 lawhawk

I snicker at most anyone who puts a bumper sticker on their car - sucks for resale. But I reserve most snickers for those who put Ron Paul or Larouche stickers on their cars. I give them a wide berth with their libertarian take on what it means to stay in a lane. /

LANES ARE PART OF A UN PLOT TO SEIZE CONTROL OF TRAFFIC!!!

80 Bulworth  Mon, May 20, 2013 12:23:48pm
He said he intends to ask black voters why they are “allowing the Tea Party to be made into your enemy and the radical homosexual rights people to be made into your friends and allies when they reject everything you believe and most of the Tea Party activists embrace everything you believe.” Jackson urged African Americans to “come out of that indoctrination, what I call a liberal plantation of psychological bondage.”

Translation: Black people stupid, indoctrinated.

Please procede, GOP

81 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, May 20, 2013 12:23:49pm

re: #67 Bulworth

Translation: Fewer and fewer people are doing what we the church tell them to do.

Christianity is no longer the de facto and default state religion

82 dragonath  Mon, May 20, 2013 12:24:04pm

I remember seeing a Bush/Cheney bumper sticker juxtaposed with a “God Save America” one.

The irony was probably not intentional.

83 Charles Johnson  Mon, May 20, 2013 12:24:40pm

What right wing racism?

84 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 20, 2013 12:24:52pm

re: #80 Bulworth

Translation: Black people stupid, indoctrinated.

Please procede, GOP

REMEMBER IN THE 1870’S ALL THE DEMOCRATZ WAZ TEH RACIST ONEZ!!11!!

85 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, May 20, 2013 12:25:45pm

re: #80 Bulworth

Translation: Black people stupid, indoctrinated.

Please procede, GOP

This is all about preaching to the choir, and the argument here is that it is not worth reaching out to blacks/Latinos, becuase they are incapable of recognizing and acting in their own interests, they are totall in the thrall of the Party of Free Government Stuff.

So the only option is to lean more heavily on the base.

86 Bulworth  Mon, May 20, 2013 12:27:24pm
He said he intends to ask black voters why they are “allowing the Tea Party to be made into your enemy and the radical homosexual rights people to be made into your friends and allies when they reject everything you believe and most of the Tea Party activists embrace everything you believe.” Jackson urged African Americans to “come out of that indoctrination, what I call a liberal plantation of psychological bondage.”

Translation: When has big government ever helped Black people? Except for the Civil Rights Act. And the Voting Rights Act. And Social Security. And Medicare. And Medicaid. And student loans. And safer food. And the eight-hour workday. Except for all of those things, what good has Big Government done for the Black community?

87 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 20, 2013 12:27:31pm

re: #72 lawhawk

WhenISeeAnObamaBumperSticker

PROJECTING LIKE AN IMAX

88 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 20, 2013 12:28:53pm

#WhenISeeAObamaBumperSticker is a cornucopia of Teh Stupid, also Teh Ragegasms and Teh ODS.

89 geoffm33  Mon, May 20, 2013 12:29:27pm

re: #77 lawhawk

I snicker at most anyone who puts a bumper sticker on their car - sucks for resale. But I reserve most snickers for those who put Ron Paul or Larouche stickers on their cars. I give them a wide berth with their libertarian take on what it means to stay in a lane. /

Ahhh bumper stickers, that reminds me. Finally took a picture of this last night (has been there for a long while.)

Image: South Boston Exit Offramp

Even in the librul enclaves of South Boston

90 lawhawk  Mon, May 20, 2013 12:29:40pm

Severe storm warnings just posted in vicinity of OKC through Wichita Falls area.

Some of these storms (current radar track) could have potential to drop tornadoes.

91 Bulworth  Mon, May 20, 2013 12:29:58pm

re: #88 Vicious Babushka

Remember when Boner started the Obamacare hashtag? That was funny.

Please procede, GOP

92 FemNaziBitch  Mon, May 20, 2013 12:32:18pm

I am partial to bumper magnets.

93 FemNaziBitch  Mon, May 20, 2013 12:32:42pm

re: #90 lawhawk

Severe storm warnings just posted in vicinity of OKC through Wichita Falls area.

Some of these storms (current radar track) could have potential to drop tornadoes.

oh my

94 Bulworth  Mon, May 20, 2013 12:33:02pm
He said he intends to ask black voters why they are “allowing the Tea Party to be made into your enemy and the radical homosexual rights people to be made into your friends and allies when they reject everything you believe and most of the Tea Party activists embrace everything you believe.” Jackson urged African Americans to “come out of that indoctrination, what I call a liberal plantation of psychological bondage.”

Translation: Tea party just wants to save Americia from Agenda 21 and Obamacare’s ending of pre-existing condition exclusions, which is the same thing all Black Americans want, too.

95 Bulworth  Mon, May 20, 2013 12:34:32pm
He said he intends to ask black voters why they are “allowing the Tea Party to be made into your enemy and the radical homosexual rights people to be made into your friends and allies when they reject everything you believe and most of the Tea Party activists embrace everything you believe.” Jackson urged African Americans to “come out of that indoctrination, what I call a liberal plantation of psychological bondage.”

Translation: Tea Party just wants fewer people voting and fewer people to have proper healthcare, which is the same thing Blacks in America want, too.

96 Ian G.  Mon, May 20, 2013 12:35:25pm

re: #51 Sol Berdinowitz

This is beyond derp, it is megalomaniac.

Yes, we’re in crazed 3rd world dictator territory here. Saparmurat Niyazov, the late lunatic dictator of Turkmenistan, once claimed (I think) that reading the book he wrote would get one into Heaven.

Even more batshit (late) dictator Francisco Macías Nguema of Equatorial Guinea changed the national motto to “there is no God but Francisco Macías Nguema”

97 Mattand  Mon, May 20, 2013 12:35:50pm

re: #14 geoffm33

I have a feeling the blackness of the POTUS has reached it’s tipping point. It will be how “Hillary” the POTUS is, or the like, for any POTUS with a (D) next to their name.

Well, with Hillary, there’s vast oceans of unexplored misogyny and chauvinism.

98 Bulworth  Mon, May 20, 2013 12:36:00pm
He said he intends to ask black voters why they are “allowing the Tea Party to be made into your enemy and the radical homosexual rights people to be made into your friends and allies when they reject everything you believe and most of the Tea Party activists embrace everything you believe.” Jackson urged African Americans to “come out of that indoctrination, what I call a liberal plantation of psychological bondage.”

Translation: Tea party just wants to return U.S. to 18th century. And that’s exactly what American Blacks want, too.

99 Vicious Babushka  Mon, May 20, 2013 12:36:46pm

re: #95 Bulworth

Translation: Tea Party just wants fewer people voting and fewer people to have proper healthcare, which is the same thing Blacks in America want, too.

WHY ARE YOU PEOPLE SO STUPID!!11 DON’T YOU REALIZE THAT DEMOCRATZ WAZ TEH RACISTS 100 YEARS AGO!!11!! AND THAT MEANZ THEY ARE TEH RACISTS FOREVER BUT U VOTES FOR TEHM JUST CAUSE YOU GETS FREE STUFF!!11 GOP IS NOT TEH RACISTS FROM 100 YEARS AGO AND DON’T GIVE AWAY FREE STUFFS!!!111!!!

100 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Mon, May 20, 2013 12:36:51pm

re: #83 Charles Johnson

What right wing racism?

Noting that avatar, obviously that woman is intellectually an adolescent.

101 iossarian  Mon, May 20, 2013 12:39:04pm

OT - in actual serious policy news, Republicans are trying to get caps and restrictions lifted on guest worker programs in the Senate immigration bill.

The low-skilled guest-worker cap in particular is a right-wing target - so much easier to drive down costs if you have a compliant, non-voting workforce that can be sent “home” at a moment’s notice.

102 Bulworth  Mon, May 20, 2013 12:39:08pm
He said he intends to ask black voters why they are “allowing the Tea Party to be made into your enemy and the radical homosexual rights people to be made into your friends and allies when they reject everything you believe and most of the Tea Party activists embrace everything you believe.” Jackson urged African Americans to “come out of that indoctrination, what I call a liberal plantation of psychological bondage.”

Translation: Tea party wants to end the income tax and estate tax and wants to allow unlimited cash to influence politicians in government, just exactly like American Blacks want, too.

103 Ian G.  Mon, May 20, 2013 12:39:08pm
He said he intends to ask black voters why they are “allowing the Tea Party to be made into your enemy and the radical homosexual rights people to be made into your friends and allies when they reject everything you believe and most of the Tea Party activists embrace everything you believe.” Jackson urged African Americans to “come out of that indoctrination, what I call a liberal plantation of psychological bondage.

The way the right speaks to African-Americans in this country is so outrageous it’s almost as if they endorse the Marxist idea of “false consciousness”.

But it’s Obama who is the “communist”.

104 Single-handed sailor  Mon, May 20, 2013 12:44:29pm

Judge rules tea party group a PAC, not a nonprofit.

A Travis County district court judge ruled this week that a Houston-based tea party group is not a nonprofit corporation as it claims, but an unregistered political action committee that illegally aided the Republican Party through its poll-watching efforts during the 2010 elections.

The summary judgment by Judge John Dietz upheld several Texas campaign finance laws that had been challenged on constitutional grounds by King Street Patriots, a tea party organization known for its “True the Vote” effort to uncover voter fraud.

The ruling grew out of a 2010 lawsuit filed by the Texas Democratic Party against the King Street Patriots. The Democrats charged that the organization made unlawful political contributions to the Texas Republican Party and various Republican candidates by training poll watchers in cooperation with the party and its candidates and by holding candidate forums only for GOP candidates.

Chad Dunn, attorney for the Texas Democratic Party, said that the court’s ruling meant the King Street Patriots would be ordered to reveal its political activities and to pay the plaintiffs’ economic damages equal to twice the amount of the Patriots’ expenditures and contributions.

I hope to see more challenges in the courts. The IRS has been ineffective in policing these groups, it’s high time to go after them in the courts.

105 Single-handed sailor  Mon, May 20, 2013 12:45:13pm

re: #104 Single-handed sailor

edited to fix missing block quote.

106 wrenchwench  Mon, May 20, 2013 12:45:19pm

re: #97 Mattand

Well, with Hillary, there’s vast oceans of unexplored misogyny and chauvinism.

The surface is well-mapped, but I think the depths could hold a few surprises.

107 dragonath  Mon, May 20, 2013 12:45:39pm

Strange things are going on in the UK right now. Backbenchers are trying to derail the vote on the gay marriage issue and there will be a vote on heterosexual civil partnerships tonight.

BTW the amendment was offered by a Tory, and he’s spiting his party’s face over it.

telegraph.co.uk

108 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Mon, May 20, 2013 12:47:17pm

re: #104 Single-handed sailor

Judge rules tea party group a PAC, not a nonprofit.

I hope to see more challenges in the courts. The IRS has been ineffective in policing these groups, it’s high time to go after them in the courts.

A lot of the recent scandals have been baffling, since the real scandal is in the exact opposite direction.

Fast and Furious wasn’t really a scandal— or rather, it was a very, very limited one. The real scandal is how toothless our straw buy gun laws are.

The IRS investigating the politically-oriented charities isn’t a scandal, it’s that the IRS is incredibly timid in challenging the statuses of non-profits— especially mainstream religious ones.

109 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Mon, May 20, 2013 1:02:38pm

re: #76 iossarian

ENGLISH, MOTHERFUCKER - DO YOU SPEAK IT?

I’m with Mitt.

110 sagehen  Mon, May 20, 2013 1:05:28pm

re: #86 Bulworth

Translation: When has big government ever helped Black people? Except for the Civil Rights Act. And the Voting Rights Act. And Social Security. And Medicare. And Medicaid. And student loans. And safer food. And the eight-hour workday. Except for all of those things, what good has Big Government done for the Black community?


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