Geller-Spencer Allies “English Defence League” Riot in Britain

Far right seizes opportunity to attack British Muslims
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EDL leader Stephen Lennon, who goes by the name Tommy Robinson, (left) with EDL supporters outside The Queens Arms pub in Woolwich

The drunken racist British yahoos known as the English Defence League took to the streets and rioted yesterday following the attack on a soldier in London: Woolwich: Riot Police Contain EDL Supporters.

The EDL are allies of our home-grown Bigot Brigade, led by Anti-Muslim demagogues Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer, and these two hateful thugs are now doing their damnedest to incite similar violence against Muslims in America. Thankfully, we don’t have fascist groups like the EDL in this country, but it’s not for lack of trying by Geller, Spencer, and their nasty friends.

English Defence League supporters have thrown missiles at police in Woolwich after a machete attack that left one man dead.

A group of between 75 and 100 men gathered at The Queen’s Arms pub on Burrage Grove, where they sang nationalistic songs.

Sky News correspondent Alistair Bunkall, who is at the scene, said: “As soon as the EDL got into the town centre … it became not only a lot harder for the police to try and contain anything, but also the aggression (increased) quite considerably.

“A few missiles have been thrown, glass bottles and the like. The police are trying to surround them and they’ve been charging them as well with batons.”

Also see
Woolwich Attack: More Than 100 English Defence League Supporters Gather Near Scene of Killing
UPDATE at 5/23/13 10:13:33 am

Right wing loon Pat Dollard, a writer for breitbart.com, calls this a “feel-good story:”

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125 comments
1 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 23, 2013 10:12:08am

This shitbag “feels good” when there is a pogrom against innocent people who had nothing to do with yesterday’s murder.

2 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, May 23, 2013 10:14:32am

re: #1 Vicious Babushka

This shitbag “feels good” when there is a pogrom against innocent people who had nothing to do with yesterday’s murder.

Repaeat of earlier comment: This dullard Dollard has been fed the line that all “true Muslims” have to embrace violence.

I fear that if there is a major successful terrorist attack or incident in the US, we will see similar scenes.

3 Bulworth  Thu, May 23, 2013 10:16:24am

Why are these brave Brit patriots wearing masks?

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4 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 23, 2013 10:16:49am

re: #2 Sol Berdinowitz

Repaeat of earlier comment: This dullard Dollard has been fed the line that all “true Muslims” have to embrace violence.

I fear that if there is a major successful terrorist attack or incident in the US, we will see similar scenes.

We did not have hooligans running around Boston beating up random Muslims.

5 A Mom Anon  Thu, May 23, 2013 10:16:55am

So,wait a minute. WTF are they fighting with the police for? The cops got the guys who did this, yes?

I know, there’s no sense to racist assholes. An excuse to be a violent shitbird knows no sense I guess.

6 erik_t  Thu, May 23, 2013 10:16:58am

I can’t imagine publicly trying to defend my allegiance with people who only appear in public in masks. I just can’t.

7 A Mom Anon  Thu, May 23, 2013 10:18:11am

re: #6 erik_t

Yeah, one would think if they were in the right and proud of their beliefs there’d be no need for masks….

8 Ian G.  Thu, May 23, 2013 10:18:23am

Just imagine how the right would react if, say, Occupy Wall Street, started throwing bottles and “missiles” at cops. Pat Dollard would be calling for the 82nd Airborne to come in and start shooting.

9 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 23, 2013 10:19:04am
10 Kragar  Thu, May 23, 2013 10:20:02am

re: #9 Vicious Babushka

Because she is the real victim in all this.

11 Kragar  Thu, May 23, 2013 10:22:29am

Malkin on London attack: British ‘brought it on themselves’ by not deporting Muslims

Following Wednesday’s horrific slaying, Fox News host Sean Hannity speculated that President Barack Obama would have refused to call the incident a “terrorist attack.”

“What do you need to have? Neon lights that say, ‘Islamic jihad,’ ‘Islamic jihad?’ I mean, duh,” Malkin agreed. “They were screaming at the top of their lungs, ‘Allahu Akbar,’ and repeatedly swore in the name of Allah that they would continue to fight against us.”

“And in large part, unfortunately, in British culture, among the progressives there, they brought it on themselves in some ways because of lax deportation policies, and an unwillingness to screen out and profile Islamic militants who are now doing this in a homegrown manner on British soil,” she added. “It’s tragic.”

Hannity, however, suggested that greater access to guns could have prevented the attack.

12 Ian G.  Thu, May 23, 2013 10:22:33am

re: #4 Vicious Babushka

We did not have hooligans running around Boston beating up random Muslims.

Yup. There’s still an inherent decency to the majority of Americans, despite all the efforts of Geller and Spencer and their ilk.

I used to live next door to a convenience store run by a group of Yemeni men. In this mainly white, working-class neighborhood, these guys were treated like institutions. Everyone knew them by name, everyone liked them, there was not a shred of suspicion or distrust towards them (that I saw) and why should there have been? They were just living the immigrant dream of starting and running a successful business.

That’s my America. And Pam Geller can’t stand it.

13 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, May 23, 2013 10:22:54am

re: #4 Vicious Babushka

We did not have hooligans running around Boston beating up random Muslims.

this is true, but it was only tangentially connected to Islam, and the connections came out slowly.

This was serious in-your-face Jihad, and it really stirred up emotions.

14 GeneJockey  Thu, May 23, 2013 10:23:12am

re: #3 Bulworth

Why are these brave Brit patriots wearing masks?

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I guess they were out of white hoods.

15 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, May 23, 2013 10:23:40am

re: #11 Kragar

Malkin on London attack: British ‘brought it on themselves’ by not deporting Muslims

They brought it on themselves by colonizing millions of Muslims…

16 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 23, 2013 10:25:04am

Dog whistle?

17 GeneJockey  Thu, May 23, 2013 10:25:27am

re: #11 Kragar

Malkin on London attack: British ‘brought it on themselves’ by not deporting Muslims

Hannity, however, suggested that greater access to guns could have prevented the attack.

More guns - the answer to any problem!
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18 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 23, 2013 10:26:01am
19 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 23, 2013 10:26:13am
20 Stoatly  Thu, May 23, 2013 10:26:24am

Charles Johnson

Right wing loon Pat Dollard, a writer for Breitbart.com, calls this a “feel-good story:”

Yeah, well this Brit finds it a feel-sick story

21 lawhawk  Thu, May 23, 2013 10:26:31am

So the EDL, which is supposedly protesting against Muslim extremism, ends up rioting and attacking British cops; the same cops who ended up shooting and capturing those involved in yesterday’s attack that killed a British soldier.

What exactly was the point of that - except to show everyone with a functioning neuron that the EDL are a bunch of extremists who ought to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law for hooliganism and mayhem. They are engaging in violence themselves. That’s not constructive, but it is illustrative of the sort of people with whom Geller, Spencer, and their fellow-travellers have aligned with.

Definitely not the sort that should be associated with.

22 Kragar  Thu, May 23, 2013 10:26:40am

Pope Francis calls on Christians to accept the good works atheists perform

In the homily of his morning Mass, the Pope also added that nonbelievers could be redeemed through good works despite their lack of faith.

“The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us, with the Blood of Christ: all of us, not just Catholics. Everyone! ‘Father, the atheists?’ Even the atheists. Everyone!” he said.

“If we, each doing our own part, if we do good to others, if we meet there, doing good, and we go slowly, gently, little by little, we will make that culture of encounter: we need that so much. We must meet one another doing good. ‘But I don’t believe, Father, I am an atheist!’ But do good: we will meet one another there.”

It is not the first time Pope Francis has voiced solidarity with atheists. In March, he said atheists and nonbelievers could be “precious allies in efforts to defend the dignity of man, in the building of a peaceful coexistence between peoples and in the careful protection of creation.”

23 chadu  Thu, May 23, 2013 10:28:21am

re: #11 Kragar

Hannity’s such a douchenozzle.

24 Bulworth  Thu, May 23, 2013 10:28:45am

re: #22 Kragar

Who the hell is this gdamn dirty hippy liberal?

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25 Ian G.  Thu, May 23, 2013 10:32:17am
‘But I don’t believe, Father, I am an atheist! ‘But do good: we will meet one another there.

No problem, Frankie, I’m meet you there.

This is actually one of the best things I’ve ever heard said about atheists from a major religious leader.

26 Mattand  Thu, May 23, 2013 10:34:02am

re: #18 Vicious Babushka

Wasn’t Erickson calling for moderation in the GOP a few months back?

27 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 23, 2013 10:35:18am

re: #26 Mattand

Wasn’t Erickson calling for moderation in the GOP a few months back?

I don’t know. I only added him to the Derp list after he Derped about the OK tornado.

28 Mattand  Thu, May 23, 2013 10:35:52am

re: #27 Vicious Babushka

I don’t know. I only added him to the Derp list after he Derped about the OK tornado.

I don’t even want to know.

29 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, May 23, 2013 10:35:59am

I have a bad feeling about this. Looks like an intended retaliation.

30 Mike Lamb  Thu, May 23, 2013 10:37:10am

re: #13 Sol Berdinowitz

this is true, but it was only tangentially connected to Islam, and the connections came out slowly.

This was serious in-your-face Jihad, and it really stirred up emotions.

Two guys committing a grisly murder is an act of terror because why? Any reference to Islam in connection to a crime is terror now—regardless of scale, connections to militant groups, etc.? If that’s the case, fine, so long as that definition applies to any violence/vandalism against doctors who provide abortions, abortion clinics, etc.

31 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 23, 2013 10:38:25am

re: #29 NJDhockeyfan

I have a bad feeling about this. Looks like an intended retaliation.

clactonandfrintongazette.co.uk

The police executed 6 or so search warrants this morning. It might be family members or friends who knew of the plans to the attack or helped the guys prepare.

32 stabby  Thu, May 23, 2013 10:39:46am

re: #25 Ian G.

No problem, Frankie, I’m meet you there.

This is actually one of the best things I’ve ever heard said about atheists from a major religious leader.

Better than Bush #1 (being questioned by a reporter for American Atheist news journal):

Sherman: What will you do to win the votes of the Americans who are atheists?
Bush: I guess I’m pretty weak in the atheist community. Faith in god is important to me.
Sherman: Surely you recognize the equal citizenship and patriotism of Americans who are atheists?
Bush: No, I don’t know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God.

33 Kragar  Thu, May 23, 2013 10:40:54am

Any time a criminal commits a crime in God’s name, it it important to know which god so we can know whether he is a lone wolf or a member of a vast global terrorist ring.
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34 Mattand  Thu, May 23, 2013 10:41:26am

re: #32 stabby

Yeah, it’s a little surprising to hear a pope not shit on atheists. We’ll have to see how this plays out.

35 stabby  Thu, May 23, 2013 10:42:11am

re: #34 Mattand

Actually I’m very happy to see the pope said that.

36 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 23, 2013 10:42:46am

re: #25 Ian G.

No problem, Frankie, I’m meet you there.

This is actually one of the best things I’ve ever heard said about atheists from a major religious leader.

“Faith not works” has been the cornerstone of Christianity. No matter how many “good works” you had, you were damned to Hell unless Jezuz.

Now Francis admits that it’s “good works” after all.

37 Lidane  Thu, May 23, 2013 10:43:04am

Isn’t Dollard the same douchecanoe who thinks that POTUS is the global head of Al Qaeda?

Yeah. I think I’ll pass on whatever he considers a “feel good” story.

38 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 23, 2013 10:44:35am

re: #37 Lidane

Isn’t Dollard the same douchecanoe who thinks that POTUS is the global head of Al Qaeda?

Yeah. I think I’ll pass on whatever he considers a “feel good” story.

His Twitter feed is full of poison.

39 Eventual Carrion  Thu, May 23, 2013 10:45:04am

re: #19 Vicious Babushka

30 Of The 31 FBI’s Most Wanted Terrorists Are Muslim bit.ly/Ynv4w2#tcot #lnyhbt #tgdn #resist44 #tlot
— Patrick Dollard (@PatDollard) May 23, 2013

Could be Pat. I didn’t look, but I would bet, that 30 of the 31 most wanted child rapists and serial killers on the list would be white males about your age. So your point is? We should round up all white males about your age and imprison them?

40 GeneJockey  Thu, May 23, 2013 10:45:31am

re: #30 Mike Lamb

Two guys committing a grisly murder is an act of terror because why?

BECAUSE MOOOZLIM, THAT’S WHY!!!11!!!

Any reference to Islam in connection to a crime is terror now—regardless of scale, connections to militant groups, etc.? If that’s the case, fine, so long as that definition applies to any violence/vandalism against doctors who provide abortions, abortion clinics, etc.

Terrorism has been twisted out of its original meaning by the desire of some to paint Islam as evil. The fact that you’ll never hear Righties referring to Eric Rudolph or Scott Roeder as terrorists, or for that matter the various Right Wing nutcases like the guy in Pittsburgh cop killer, tells you everything you need to know.

41 chadu  Thu, May 23, 2013 10:45:37am

re: #36 Vicious Babushka

“Faith not works” has been the cornerstone of Christianity. No matter how many “good works” you had, you were damned to Hell unless Jezuz.

Now Francis admits that it’s “good works” after all.

I was raised Catholic, and was taught that it was “faith and works.”

“Faith not works” is more a Protestant thing, methinks.

42 Lidane  Thu, May 23, 2013 10:45:52am

re: #36 Vicious Babushka

“Works” has been a Catholic staple for centuries. It was the Protestants who went with Sola Fide. It’s one of the pillars of the Reformation.

43 Joanne  Thu, May 23, 2013 10:46:23am

re: #5 A Mom Anon

So,wait a minute. WTF are they fighting with the police for? The cops got the guys who did this, yes?

I know, there’s no sense to racist assholes. An excuse to be a violent shitbird knows no sense I guess.

It is very sad. I have a friend in the UK who is a completely reasonable gal. She’s bright, funny and we’ve been friends for years. I was beyond shocked to hear her opinions on Muslims.

44 Joanne  Thu, May 23, 2013 10:48:25am

re: #11 Kragar

Malkin on London attack: British ‘brought it on themselves’ by not deporting Muslims

No matter the situation, it is always the same conservative remedies: MOAR GUNZ! and deportation. For every issue.

Talk about a two trick pony.

45 GeneJockey  Thu, May 23, 2013 10:48:36am

re: #36 Vicious Babushka

“Faith not works” has been the cornerstone of Christianity. No matter how many “good works” you had, you were damned to Hell unless Jezuz.

Now Francis admits that it’s “good works” after all.

Actually, Christians fought a whole war over this back in the 16th century. Protestants say Faith, Catholics say Works - thought that’s an oversimplification.

47 wrenchwench  Thu, May 23, 2013 10:49:32am

re: #43 Joanne

It is very sad. I have a friend in the UK who is a completely reasonable gal. She’s bright, funny and we’ve been friends for years. I was beyond shocked to hear her opinions on Muslims.

I’d be using more past tense there. YMMV

48 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 23, 2013 10:49:33am

DERP

49 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 23, 2013 10:49:41am

Very unsurprising that one of the terrorist is affiliated with Anjem Choudary
telegraph.co.uk

50 Ian G.  Thu, May 23, 2013 10:50:21am

re: #36 Vicious Babushka

As a former Catholic, I can tell you that “faith not works” is more of a Protestant thing, whereas “works” is very important in the Catholic tradition.

So maybe it’s easier for Pope Francis to reach out to atheists on the subject of good works that it would be for a Protestant preacher in the US.

Edit: I see several people beat me to this point.

51 Ian G.  Thu, May 23, 2013 10:50:45am

re: #44 Joanne

No matter the situation, it is always the same conservative remedies: MOAR GUNZ! and deportation. For every issue.

Talk about a two trick pony.

and tax cuts.

52 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, May 23, 2013 10:50:55am

re: #30 Mike Lamb

Two guys committing a grisly murder is an act of terror because why? Any reference to Islam in connection to a crime is terror now—regardless of scale, connections to militant groups, etc.? If that’s the case, fine, so long as that definition applies to any violence/vandalism against doctors who provide abortions, abortion clinics, etc.

There is no clear definition of “terror”, and it is used as a political talking point: remember the derfuffle over Benghazi because the administration did not immediately call it “terror”, or the blowup over the Fort Hood shootings a few years back…

I was trying to make a point that if there is a major, successful mass terror attack that is clearly perpetrated my Islamic fundamentalists in the US that we are likely to see scenes similar to those in Britain over the recent killings .

53 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 23, 2013 10:51:01am

re: #45 GeneJockey

Actually, Christians fought a whole war over this back in the 16th century. Protestants say Faith, Catholics say Works - thought that’s an oversimplification.

I thought the “Faith NOT Works” and/or “Faith AND Works” but NOT “Works not Faith” things was cooked up to exclude Teh Juice.

54 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, May 23, 2013 10:51:11am

I’m convinced there is a class of people who want to live in a world where Anarchy is the norm.

“We practice selective annihilation of mayors and government officials, for example, to create a vacuum, then we fill that vacuum. As popular war advances, peace is closer”

55 Joanne  Thu, May 23, 2013 10:51:38am

re: #13 Sol Berdinowitz

this is true, but it was only tangentially connected to Islam, and the connections came out slowly.

This was serious in-your-face Jihad, and it really stirred up emotions.

I still think that this was a couple of mentally insane people who happened to be Muslim. I don’t think they were terrorists. I think they were just run of the mill murderous assholes whose intent was to incite more violence. Based on this post, they got what they wanted.

56 Kragar  Thu, May 23, 2013 10:51:50am

Hagee: Healing In Jesus’ Name ‘Works Every Time’

On this week’s “Hagee Hotline,” Matthew Hagee received a question from a viewer about why healing in Jesus’ name doesn’t work every time. Hagee replied that, in fact, “healing works every time” it just comes in different forms.

There are the times when someone is instantaneously healed in Jesus’ name and other times where they are healed over a longer period of weeks or month … and then sometimes the person actually dies “but that does not mean they’re not healed.”

“The Bible says,” Hagee explained, “that when we get into presence of God that every sickness, every infirmity and every kind of weakness is gone, which is an absolute and total healing”:

It all depends on how you define “works”.

57 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 23, 2013 10:52:08am

FACE-PALMING DERP OF THE DAY

58 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 23, 2013 10:52:11am

re: #49 Killgore Trout

Very unsurprising that one of the terrorist is affiliated with Anjem Choudary
telegraph.co.uk

Your evidence for that “affiliation” is one photo of them standing next to each other in a crowd.

59 stabby  Thu, May 23, 2013 10:52:25am

American Atheists then sent a letter to every member of Congress asking that they censure the president with a resolution that read

No person in public life may be free to impugn the patriotism of any minority group because of that group’s opinion in respect to religion. President George Bush is herewith censured for his public expression of August 27, 1987, at which time he stated: “I don’t know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God.”

They got not a single response.

They then sent packets about the resolution to every columnist they could track down. Apparently they managed to get one column written.

And this one:

On December 23, 1990, in Chicago, Illinois Mr. Robert Sherman met with Ed Derwinski, the secretary of the Department of Veteran’s Affairs, to discuss exclusion of American Atheists from veteran’s groups which have been chartered by the United States Congress. Mr. Derwinski said he would do “absolutely nothing” about the discrimination. On January 3, Mr. Sherman crossed paths with Ed Derwinski again at the Illinois inaugurations. He asked Mr. Derwinski, at that time, what American Atheists could do to have the Bush administration take an interest in the problem of discrimination against American Atheist veterans. Mr. Derwinski’s response was:

“What you should do for me is what you should do for everybody: Believe in God. Get off our backs.”

60 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, May 23, 2013 10:53:12am

re: #55 Joanne

I still think that this was a couple of mentally insane people who happened to be Muslim. I don’t think they were terrorists. I think they were just run of the mill murderous assholes whose intent was to incite more violence. Based on this post, they got what they wanted.

Not unlike the Boston bombers in this case, or the Fort Hood shooter. But any suich crime will be used as an excuse to riot and call for counter-jihad…and the more people they kill, the worse the rioting will be.

61 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 23, 2013 10:53:33am

I won’t be surprised if they were connected to Choudary. But that photo is not proof of anything.

62 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, May 23, 2013 10:54:02am

re: #57 Vicious Babushka

Obama Prom Photos Released @TIME ALSO THOUGHT HITLER GOOD GUY! via

HITLER ALSO ATTENDED A HIGH SCHOOL PROM! WE HAVE PHOTO EVIDENCE!!!

63 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 23, 2013 10:55:46am

re: #62 Sol Berdinowitz

HITLER ALSO ATTENDED A HIGH SCHOOL PROM! WE HAVE PHOTO EVIDENCE!!!

I would totally want to see Hitler’s high school prom pictures!

64 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 23, 2013 10:56:04am

re: #58 Charles Johnson

Your evidence for that “affiliation” is one photo of them standing next to each other in a crowd.

um no.

Michael ‘Mujaheed’ Adebolajo, who sources have claimed is one of the suspects, converted to Islam a decade and was always of “impeccable character”, radical cleric Anjem Choudary has said.

He said they both attended Mulgrave Primary school, which is located next to the scene of the killing, adding: “I saw the pictures of him last night, his name is Michael Adebolajo.

“I went to the same primary school as him in Woolwich, Mulgrave, and grew up in the same area and he came to the local mosque - it was a peaceful community with lots of Muslim people from Somalia and Pakistan. I didn’t know him that well so I can’t say where his family was from.”

Choudary led Islamist group Al-Muhajiroun, the banned forerunner to Islam 4 UK, where Adebolajo often appeared alongside other radical protesters.

Mr Choudary continued: “He converted around 2003 to Islam, before I met him and I knew him as his convert name ‘Mujaheed’ when he used to attend our demonstrations and lectures. I last saw him in 2011, he was a very nice man with impeccable character and nothing unusual about him.”

He said: “What he did was unusual and it’s not the kind of view that I propagate and I do not condone the use of violence, but those views are out there. Some members of the Muslim community struggle to express themselves and he is making his voice heard in blood.”

Choudary suggested that it was possible the attack was motivated by British government foreign policy in the Muslim world, and that this may not have been an isolated incident.

65 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 23, 2013 10:56:46am

Wow, what a never-ending fountain of Derp.

66 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 23, 2013 10:56:59am

re: #64 Killgore Trout

Here’s what Choudary says:

Michael ‘Mujaheed’ Adebolajo, who sources have claimed is one of the suspects, converted to Islam a decade and was always of “impeccable character”, radical cleric Anjem Choudary has said.

He said they both attended Mulgrave Primary school, which is located next to the scene of the killing, adding: “I saw the pictures of him last night, his name is Michael Adebolajo.

“I went to the same primary school as him in Woolwich, Mulgrave, and grew up in the same area and he came to the local mosque - it was a peaceful community with lots of Muslim people from Somalia and Pakistan. I didn’t know him that well so I can’t say where his family was from.”

Choudary led Islamist group Al-Muhajiroun, the banned forerunner to Islam 4 UK, where Adebolajo often appeared alongside other radical protesters.

Mr Choudary continued: “He converted around 2003 to Islam, before I met him and I knew him as his convert name ‘Mujaheed’ when he used to attend our demonstrations and lectures. I last saw him in 2011, he was a very nice man with impeccable character and nothing unusual about him.”

I don’t know how you can take “I didn’t know him that well” and make it into an “affiliation.” But hey, whatever.

67 Lidane  Thu, May 23, 2013 10:57:13am

re: #53 Vicious Babushka

I thought the “Faith NOT Works” and/or “Faith AND Works” but NOT “Works not Faith” things was cooked up to exclude Teh Juice.

Nah. The “faith NOT works” thing was a reaction by Martin Luther to the very real abuse of indulgences in the Vatican at the time. The church was selling indulgences to raise money to refurbish the Basillica of St. Peter in Rome, and people who paid large sums of money were having their sins absolved.

Luther objected to this practice and argued that faith alone led to salvation, and he rejected works entirely.

Granted, I’m seriously oversimplifying things here, but it’s the best I can do during my lunch hour. Heh.

68 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, May 23, 2013 10:57:34am

re: #58 Charles Johnson

Your evidence for that “affiliation” is one photo of them standing next to each other in a crowd.

Anjem Choudary also said:

Mr Choudary continued: “He converted around 2003 to Islam, before I met him and I knew him as his convert name ‘Mujaheed’ when he used to attend our demonstrations and lectures. I last saw him in 2011, he was a very nice man with impeccable character and nothing unusual about him.”

The guy probably did get het up by Choundary’s incendiary bullshit.

69 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, May 23, 2013 10:59:08am

re: #58 Charles Johnson

Your evidence for that “affiliation” is one photo of them standing next to each other in a crowd.

BBC says he was. He left the group in 2010 according to Anjem Choudary.

1757: In the footage, Mr Adebojalo is standing next to Anjem Choudary, who was the leader of al-Muhajiroun, a now-banned organisation. Mr Choudary has confirmed to the BBC that the man standing next to him is Michael Adebojalo. He says the suspect was previously associated with the group, but then went his own way in around 2010.

70 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 23, 2013 10:59:38am

re: #67 Lidane

Nah. The “faith NOT works” thing was a reaction by Martin Luther to the very real abuse of indulgences in the Vatican at the time. The church was selling indulgences to raise money to refurbish the Basillica of St. Peter in Rome, and people who paid large sums of money were having their sins absolved.

Luther objected to this practice and argued that faith alone led to salvation, and he rejected works entirely.

He didn’t like Teh Juice either. He thought Teh Juice would all join him once he cleansed the church, but they didn’t and he was pissed.

71 Ian G.  Thu, May 23, 2013 10:59:53am

re: #65 Vicious Babushka

Wait, I thought it was ACORN and the New Black Panthers. Now the IRS is involved?

72 Dr. Matt  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:00:05am

re: #65 Vicious Babushka

Wow, what a never-ending fountain of Derp.

The IRS and @barackobama denied the people of the United States a free and fair Presidential election in 2012. #tcot #lnyhbt #tgdn
— Patrick Dollard (@PatDollard) May 23, 2013

The IRS was demanding that voters show ID?

The IRS was getting rid of early voting?

The IRS undermanned voting booths in poor and minority areas?

The IRS blacklisted people that had names that were similar to criminals?

73 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:00:17am

re: #68 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts

Yes, and he also said he didn’t know the attacker very well. Calling that an “affiliation” is stretching the definition of the word.

74 Eventual Carrion  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:00:44am

re: #63 Vicious Babushka

I would totally want to see Hitler’s high school prom pictures!

He wore black, she wore red. The theme song was Tipperary. They danced the night away. Then she dumped him later in the evening for a much taller Scandinavian man.

75 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:01:06am

re: #69 NJDhockeyfan

BBC says he was. He left the group in 2010 according to Anjem Choudary.

If he left the group three years ago, I’d say that means he was not “affiliated” with them any more, right?

76 Dr. Matt  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:01:24am

re: #71 Ian G.

Wait, I thought it was ACORN and the New Black Panthers. Now the IRS is involved?

In teahadist world, every organization and group is responsible for President Obama’s election….. except for voters.

77 Joanne  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:01:43am

re: #60 Sol Berdinowitz

Not unlike the Boston bombers in this case, or the Fort Hood shooter. But any suich crime will be used as an excuse to riot and call for counter-jihad…and the more people they kill, the worse the rioting will be.

Yes, and that is my point. We are calling them terrorists and, in my opinion, elevating them to a level that is not deserved. I am in no way dismissing the gruesomeness of what they did. Nor am I giving the tiniest bit of leeway. These two guys were nothing but psycho assholes. They’re dead and there’s no loss in that. But the path this is taking, between our assholes here and the EDL over there, all that does is create more people who want to be like them.

None of it serves any positive purpose. None of it.

78 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:01:54am

I’m no fan of Anjem Choudary - he’s a fanatic. But I’m also not a fan of jumping to conclusions.

79 GeneJockey  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:02:46am

re: #53 Vicious Babushka

I thought the “Faith NOT Works” and/or “Faith AND Works” but NOT “Works not Faith” things was cooked up to exclude Teh Juice.

I believe the Catholic Church defines ‘works’ as things like the Sacraments, so that excludes pretty much everyone who isn’t Catholic.

Just as an aside, my perspective is that of Atheist who was raised Mennonite. It didn’t take, but as my brother says, for all that I’m not a believer, I approach things from an Anabaptist POV.

80 Joanne  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:03:35am

re: #66 Charles Johnson

Here’s what Choudary says:

I don’t know how you can take “I didn’t know him that well” and make it into an “affiliation.” But hey, whatever.

The fear in that one is strong. I am saddened by someone I used to think the world of becoming a frightened reactive.

81 Joanne  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:04:39am

re: #71 Ian G.

Wait, I thought it was ACORN and the New Black Panthers. Now the IRS is involved?

They were all in ca-choots!!11!

82 Mike Lamb  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:05:05am

re: #65 Vicious Babushka

Wow, what a never-ending fountain of Derp.

Isn’t arguing that the IRS engaged in voter suppression tacitly admitting that the groups being chosen for additional investigation were, in fact, involved in politics as opposed to being social welfare groups (or whatever the nebulous criteria for tax exempt status was)?

83 Kragar  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:08:14am

RNC Chair On Lerner: You Don’t Plead The Fifth If You’re Innocent

During an appearance on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe,” Priebus said that pleading the fifth “implies there are some criminal aspects” of the IRS scandal. John Heileman, a writer for New York Magazine who was sitting on the show’s panel, cried foul at that characterization.

“But you don’t need to plead the fifth if you’ve done nothing wrong,” Priebus said.

“That’s not true. That’s not what the Fifth Amendment says,” Heileman retorted.

Priebus ultimately toned down his interpretation of Lerner’s action, saying it “raises questions.” Heileman scoffed at the chairman’s suddenly vague assessment of the situation.

84 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:10:35am

re: #78 Charles Johnson

They also shared similar ideology….

Head of radical Islamist group who knew London knifeman blames UK foreign policy

“I’m not in the business of condemnation or condoning,” Choudary said of the attack. “I think if anyone needs to be condemned it is the British government and their foreign policy. It’s so clear that that is the cause.”

He added: “I think we’re all shocked by it. But he said it all in that clip…. He blamed (Prime Minister David) Cameron and he blamed the army and the authorities, and he said that British public should do something about it because they’re not doing anything in their names.”

“From the statements that he’s made himself, it’s clear that that was being targeted. The cause is clear - it’s the British foreign policy.”

Choudary’s organization has been known for staging protests at funerals of British troops and for burning the paper poppies that Britons wear annually in November to commemorate war dead. It called its Remembrance Day protest “Hell for Heroes”, a variation of the name of the veterans’ charity “Help for Heroes” whose T-shirt was worn by Thursday’s soldier victim.

One of Choudary’s followers, Richard Dart, converted by Choudary to Islam, pleaded guilty to terrorism charges in March. Authorities said Dart had discussed attacking Royal Wootton Basset, a town that holds ceremonies for British troops killed abroad whose bodies are repatriated to a nearby air field.

85 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:11:38am

Also google the transitive verb of associate….

To become closely connected or associated:

86 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:12:48am

re: #65 Vicious Babushka

The IRS and @BarackObama denied the people of the United States a free and fair Presidential election in 2012.

That is the crus of the TPGOP outrage over the IRS scandal.

87 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:15:56am

re: #85 Killgore Trout

Google the definition of “affiliated,” which is the word you used:

affiliated |əˈfilēˌātid| adjective

(of a subsidiary group or a person) officially attached or connected to an organization

Oops.

88 stabby  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:16:33am

It’s interesting that the terrorist was a convert. What do we know about his conversion?

89 Lidane  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:17:46am

re: #83 Kragar

RNC Chair On Lerner: You Don’t Plead The Fifth If You’re Innocent

And you don’t have to worry about the Patriot Act if you’re not a terrorist.

///

90 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:17:51am

re: #73 Charles Johnson

Yes, and he also said he didn’t know the attacker very well. Calling that an “affiliation” is stretching the definition of the word.

Yeah, well, it’s KT. You’ve got to run it through your passive-aggressive translator.

Choudray is a piece of crap and his inflammatory rhetoric sets people off the same way the conspiracy theorists here in the US do and the ‘stone the gay’s people, of which he’s also one.

91 GunstarGreen  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:20:08am

re: #26 Mattand

Wasn’t Erickson calling for moderation in the GOP a few months back?

He was, but then he saw his ratings take a hit and went right back to full-on Derpitude.

Erickson is as much of a shameless enabler as the rest of them, he just feels slightly more free to be a little less ‘ideological purity’ oriented because he’s third-string. Much like Boortz (both of them being on WSB in Georgia), his relative lack-of-fame next to the big-bucks shills like Hannity and Pillbaugh gives him a little more room to be ‘honest’, as much as ‘honest’ can be defined in someone that peddles manufactured outrage for a living.

92 GunstarGreen  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:22:20am

re: #83 Kragar

RNC Chair On Lerner: You Don’t Plead The Fifth If You’re Innocent

Once again demonstrating how Republicans, those staid ‘constitutionalists’, believe that the US Constitution can go fuck itself the very instant it stops supporting them.

93 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:23:43am

re: #87 Charles Johnson

Their relationship was described accurately in the article I linked to, It’s been widely reported by many news agencies.

94 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:25:32am

re: #59 stabby

American Atheists then sent a letter to every member of Congress asking that they censure the president with a resolution that read

No person in public life may be free to impugn the patriotism of any minority group because of that group’s opinion in respect to religion. President George Bush is herewith censured for his public expression of August 27, 1987, at which time he stated: “I don’t know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God.”

They got not a single response.

They then sent packets about the resolution to every columnist they could track down. Apparently they managed to get one column written.

And this one:

He said that on my birthday and the anniversary date of Stevie Ray Vaughn’s death? That asshole.

95 wrenchwench  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:26:46am

re: #94 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

He said that on my birthday and the anniversary date of Stevie Ray Vaughn’s death? That asshole.

Stevie Ray Vaughn died on your birthday? That asshole.

96 Romantic Heretic  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:30:30am

re: #45 GeneJockey

Actually, Christians fought a whole war over this back in the 16th century. Protestants say Faith, Catholics say Works - thought that’s an oversimplification.

Killed half of Germany that war did.

97 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:32:41am

Muslim hardliners ID London terror suspect

Omar Bakri Muhammad — who now lives in Lebanon but had been a radical Muslim preacher in London — also said he recognized the man seen on television as Adebolajo and said he attended his London lectures in the early 2000s. Police have not named Adebolajo.

Bakri said he remembers Adebolajo as a “shy person” who was keen to learn about Islam and asked interesting questions.

“He used to listen more than he spoke,” Bakri said. “I was very surprised to learn that he is the suspect in the attack.”

98 SidewaysQuark  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:36:51am

I wish people would would criticize general Islam more for its (more mainstream and pervasive) backward treatment of women, perversion of science, hatred of homosexuality, tacit enabling of strange conspiracy theories involving the Illuminati and Zionists, and promulgation of backward policies ranging from everything to modesty levels to dietary restrictions. (None of these traits are universal among Islam, I know, but you’re kidding yourself if you don’t think they’re a huge problem in Islam.)

These are Islam’s most genuine problems, more so than Islamic outbursts of violence, which are, in reality, abhorred and detested by most Muslims.

Instead of putting up divisions between Muslims living in the West and people more traditionally indigenous to the West, we should be more aggressively Westernizing the Muslims communities in the West.

99 Romantic Heretic  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:39:05am

re: #66 Charles Johnson

Here’s what Choudary says:

I don’t know how you can take “I didn’t know him that well” and make it into an “affiliation.” But hey, whatever.

Because Mooslims are a hivemind like the Borg, and just as dangerous.

100 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:43:19am

re: #95 wrenchwench

Stevie Ray Vaughn died on your birthday? That asshole.

No shit.

101 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:50:53am

Outrageous!


telegraph.co.uk

Mr Choudary also confirmed that one of the alleged attackers, believed to be the man earlier identified as British-born Michael Adebolajo, had been an associate of the extremist Al Muhajiroun organisation, of which Mr Choudary was once leader.

lol

102 GeneJockey  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:56:27am

re: #94 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

He said that on my birthday and the anniversary date of Stevie Ray Vaughn’s death? That asshole.

I knew a guy who once said, “Stevie Ray Vaughn was such a genius, I sometimes wish it were me instead of him who died in that plane crash!”

I picked up one of Stevie Ray’s CDs, and after listening to it, I told this guy, “Wow, you’re right! I agree with you - I, too, wish it was you instead of him.”

//

103 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, May 23, 2013 12:12:19pm

At the time Stevie Ray died, I lived not all that far from where it happened. I remember how foggy it was as I left for work that morning and heard about it on the radio on my (very scary) drive to the newspaper office.
Got to the office and it was a total day of mourning for everyone there.

104 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, May 23, 2013 12:13:09pm

re: #98 SidewaysQuark

I wish people would would criticize general Islam more for its (more mainstream and pervasive) backward treatment of women, perversion of science, hatred of homosexuality, tacit enabling of strange conspiracy theories involving the Illuminati and Zionists, and promulgation of backward policies ranging from everything to modesty levels to dietary restrictions. (None of these traits are universal among Islam, I know, but you’re kidding yourself if you don’t think they’re a huge problem in Islam.)

These are Islam’s most genuine problems, more so than Islamic outbursts of violence, which are, in reality, abhorred and detested by most Muslims.

Instead of putting up divisions between Muslims living in the West and people more traditionally indigenous to the West, we should be more aggressively Westernizing the Muslims communities in the West.

Yea, we can convert them to fundamentalist Christians where they treat women like second class citizens, pervert science to support creationism, hate homosexuals, and tacitly enable all sorts of weird conspiracy theories involving Jews and the POTUS being a Muslim. None of these traits are universal about Christians, but you’re kidding yourself if you don’t think it is a huge problem in the US.

Oh wait…
:p

105 SidewaysQuark  Thu, May 23, 2013 12:46:25pm

re: #104 Feline Fearless Leader

Yea, we can convert them to fundamentalist Christians where they treat women like second class citizens, pervert science to support creationism, hate homosexuals, and tacitly enable all sorts of weird conspiracy theories involving Jews and the POTUS being a Muslim. None of these traits are universal about Christians, but you’re kidding yourself if you don’t think it is a huge problem in the US.

Oh wait…
:p

Of course it’s a huge problem in the US, and that’s bad enough. It’s a problem that’s an entire order of magnitude larger in the Muslims world, and once again, you are KIDDING yourself if thing it’s a problem on the same level. Christians in the USA could use a hell of a lot of Westernization by Enlightenment values themselves, though, I completely agree.

106 wrenchwench  Thu, May 23, 2013 12:50:45pm

re: #98 SidewaysQuark

Instead of putting up divisions between Muslims living in the West and people more traditionally indigenous to the West, we should be more aggressively Westernizing the Muslims communities in the West.

You sound like a White Supremacist. Or at least a West Supremacist.

How do you go about ‘aggressively Westernizing’ a group of people selected by faith? Wouldn’t that contradict the very values you want people to accept?

107 AlexRogan  Thu, May 23, 2013 12:59:24pm

re: #56 Kragar

Hagee: Healing In Jesus’ Name ‘Works Every Time’

It all depends on how you define “works”.

Sixty percent of the time, it works every time…

/Anchorman

108 SidewaysQuark  Thu, May 23, 2013 1:07:34pm

re: #106 wrenchwench

You sound like a White Supremacist. Or at least a West Supremacist.

You sound like you’re on a witch hunt. Sorry, ad hominem epitaphs won’t work on me. (I know you must find this disappointing.) If you think all cultures should be considered “equal”, you might want to do a little more research on how various cultures have affected progress and the rights of people living in those societies. Some cultures, with all their flaws, have definitively proven themselves superior to others in these regards.

How do you go about ‘aggressively Westernizing’ a group of people selected by faith? Wouldn’t that contradict the very values you want people to accept?

Not at all. I would simply stop placing things like “religion” and “culture” on a pedestal as subjects that are off-limits to derision and criticism. Let their benefits stand on their own if they’re so wonderful.

109 wrenchwench  Thu, May 23, 2013 1:30:25pm

re: #108 SidewaysQuark

Some cultures, with all their flaws, have definitively proven themselves superior to others in these regards.

So you want to take the culture of ‘live and let live’ and force it on other people.

How do you go about ‘aggressively Westernizing’ a group of people selected by faith? Wouldn’t that contradict the very values you want people to accept?

Not at all. I would simply stop placing things like “religion” and “culture” on a pedestal as subjects that are off-limits to derision and criticism. Let their benefits stand on their own if they’re so wonderful.

You subject religion and culture to derision while at the same time telling me it’s off limits to derision. How does that work?

110 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, May 23, 2013 1:36:03pm

re: #2 Sol Berdinowitz

Repaeat of earlier comment: This dullard Dollard has been fed the line that all “true Muslims” have to embrace violence.

I fear that if there is a major successful terrorist attack or incident in the US, we will see similar scenes.

How major is major? We came through Boston pretty well.

111 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, May 23, 2013 1:43:04pm

re: #30 Mike Lamb

Two guys committing a grisly murder is an act of terror because why? Any reference to Islam in connection to a crime is terror now—regardless of scale, connections to militant groups, etc.? If that’s the case, fine, so long as that definition applies to any violence/vandalism against doctors who provide abortions, abortion clinics, etc.

This was not violence/vandalism, it was, as you say, a grisly murder. Are you saying that shooting an abortion provider is NOT an act of terror?

112 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, May 23, 2013 1:44:38pm

re: #36 Vicious Babushka

“Faith not works” has been the cornerstone of Christianity. No matter how many “good works” you had, you were damned to Hell unless Jezuz.

Now Francis admits that it’s “good works” after all.

Catholicism has always subscribed to ‘faith and works’.

113 stabby  Thu, May 23, 2013 2:09:00pm

re: #98 SidewaysQuark

… These are Islam’s most genuine problems, more so than Islamic outbursts of violence, which are, in reality, abhorred and detested by most Muslims.

Instead of putting up divisions between Muslims living in the West and people more traditionally indigenous to the West, we should be more aggressively Westernizing the Muslims communities in the West.

Actually in the middle east the actual violence, massacres, oppression of competing sects and tribes is an extremely vital problem. It is the main driving factor in their politics, it is the hidden reason for much of what they do.

Ask yourself, is violence a serious problem in Syria? Remember the civil war in Lebanon? The Iran-Iraq war? The genocide in what’s now called Bangladesh? Do you count the blown up mosques each year in Pakistan (Shiite and Ahmadi)? The ongoing sectarian massacres in Iraq?

And here we haven’t even touched violence between Muslims and non-Muslims…

114 stabby  Thu, May 23, 2013 2:12:56pm

Also, I find the attacks on your use of the word “Westernization” frustrating, not because everyone is assuming that human rights are inherently Western (which is an insult to humanity), but because, other than you, they’re pretty much assuming that human rights don’t matter.

They’re perfectly happy to agree with you that rights = western. Then they reject rights.

Bah!

115 SidewaysQuark  Thu, May 23, 2013 2:21:15pm

re: #109 wrenchwench

You subject religion and culture to derision while at the same time telling me it’s off limits to derision. How does that work?

Where did I say religion and culture are “off limits” to derision? The fact that so many consider these tenets somehow off-limits to derision and criticism is part of the whole problem.

116 SidewaysQuark  Thu, May 23, 2013 2:25:43pm

re: #114 stabby

Also, I find the attacks on your use of the word “Westernization” frustrating, not because everyone is assuming that human rights are inherently Western (which is an insult to humanity), but because, other than you, they’re pretty much assuming that human rights don’t matter.

They’re perfectly happy to agree with you that rights = western. Then they reject rights.

Bah!

Well, some people are so obsessed with the idea that all cultures and religions must be equal in every aspect that they don’t even explore the possibility that some cultures and religions might have even bigger problems than others.

To reverse a good mythological adage, they pick at the mote in their own eyes while ignoring the planks sticking out of the eyes of others.

However, I’d like to point out the weird irony of these EDF members wearing silly masks in protest of the extremist segment of a culture that oppresses half their population by making them wear silly masks.

117 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 23, 2013 2:28:06pm

re: #101 Killgore Trout

And of course, you didn’t use the word “associate.” You said he was “affiliated” with Choudary, which means an official member of a group. I objected because that is simply not correct, no matter how you try to move the goal posts after the fact.

118 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 23, 2013 2:30:16pm

Since you seem to have forgotten what you actually wrote:

re: #49 Killgore Trout

Very unsurprising that one of the terrorist is affiliated with Anjem Choudary
telegraph.co.uk

119 stabby  Thu, May 23, 2013 2:30:58pm

re: #116 SidewaysQuark

They all know perfectly well that Islam has these problems. They just want to shut up unpc speech and protect the blog against any right wingers. #truestory

I argued this with one of them a couple days ago. I don’t even want to tell you how it came out because they’ll start yammering again.

Meh. Well to make it clear, I was told that even if Islam is inferior to Christianity in every way IN THIS DAY AND AGE, I am not allowed to judge anything by the present.

I’d call that conceding and trying to hold on by redefining the meaning of the words. Ie the upshot of their argument was:
1) shut up
because gobbtygook!

They might as well have argued that I have to call sperm “babies” because there’s a possibility that it will become a baby one day.

120 Killgore Trout  Thu, May 23, 2013 2:39:30pm

re: #117 Charles Johnson

And of course, you didn’t use the word “associate.” You said he was “affiliated” with Choudary, which means an official member of a group. I objected because that is simply not correct, no matter how you try to move the goal posts after the fact.

Graph the sentence. I used it as a transitive verb.
thesaurus.com

Main Entry: associate
Part of Speech: verb
Definition: connect in the mind
Synonyms: affiliate, blend, bracket, combine, concord, conjoin, correlate, couple, group, identify, join, league, link, lump together, mix, pair, relate, think of together, unite, yoke

When used as a verb affiliated and associated are synonymous. This outrage is just stupid. I used the word correctly. There’s nothing incorrect or outrageous about it.

121 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 23, 2013 2:42:45pm

re: #120 Killgore Trout

Graph the sentence. I used it as a transitive verb.
thesaurus.com

When used as a verb affiliated and associated are synonymous. This outrage is just stupid. I used the word correctly. There’s nothing incorrect or outrageous about it.

That’s OK - I pretty much expect you to jump to conclusions, then act like a dick when you’re called on it, so no surprises.

122 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 23, 2013 2:49:46pm

affiliated |əˈfilēˌātid|
adjective
(of a subsidiary group or a person) officially attached or connected to an organization: affiliated union members | Microsoft and its affiliated companies.

affiliate
verb |əˈfilēˌāt| [ with obj. ] (usu. be affiliated with)
officially attach or connect (a subsidiary group or a person) to an organization: the college is affiliated with the University of Wisconsin.
• [ no obj. ] officially join or become attached to an organization: the membership of the National Writers Union voted to affiliate with the United Auto Workers.

noun |-it|
a person or organization officially attached to a larger body: the company established links with British affiliates.

123 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 23, 2013 3:07:01pm

re: #120 Killgore Trout

And to be perfectly clear, if you had written “he apparently knew Anjem Choudary” I wouldn’t have objected. But when you said he was “affiliated,” that word means he was part of Choudary’s group, and that’s not true.

You used to be more concerned with being factual and not jumping to unwarranted conclusions, I thought.

124 jamesfirecat  Thu, May 23, 2013 3:23:07pm

re: #96 Romantic Heretic

Killed half of Germany that war did.

Thirty years war is the 17th century.

Important facts I learned by reading Eric Fint.

125 PeterWolf  Mon, May 27, 2013 10:17:21pm

A very belated comment as I actually try to avoid reading Pam’s crazy rants. But I donned my waders and wandered into the cesspool today to take a read of her rants and came across this statement that must have involved some mind altering substance, and not the kind of substance one would want to take as a recreational pursuit.

The EDL held a pro-freedom demo today against racism and bigotry, and as if on cue, the haters and the fascists turned out to harass, provoke and agitate. Every time British patriots rally for freedom, the leftist fascists and Islamic supremacists call for a violent response: Oppose the EDL tomorrow 2pm Downing street, Westminster London.

She links to this blog article:
londonantifascists.wordpress.com

I simply could not find anything in that article that calls for violence.

Maybe Pam should try some different drugs, the crazy narcissist pills seem to work too well.


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