1 Kragar  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:08:47am

I predict outrageous outrage ensues.

2 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:09:24am

re: #1 Kragar

I predict outrageous outrage ensues.

Ya think?

3 erik_t  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:10:16am

re: #1 Kragar

I predict outrageous outrage ensues.

“Ensue” sort of implies to me that they’ll wait until he’s finished. On the contrary, the outrage marches to a different drummer. Obama’s role in the news may wax and wane; the outrage remains at eleventy.

4 Kragar  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:10:25am

re: #2 Charles Johnson

Ya think?

Its a safe bet.

5 wrenchwench  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:12:13am

re: #1 Kragar

I predict outrageous outrage ensues.

He’s going to talk about those prom photos?

6 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:13:27am

“The United States is not at war with Islam.”

Cue right wing freakout.

7 Kragar  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:13:59am

re: #5 wrenchwench

He’s going to talk about those prom photos?

This briefing is meant to distract you from those photos.
/

8 Kragar  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:14:28am

re: #6 Charles Johnson

“The United States is not at war with Islam.”

Cue right wing freakout.

HE’S A MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD AGENT!
///

9 erik_t  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:15:07am

re: #6 Charles Johnson

“The United States is not at war with Islam.”

Cue right wing freakout.

I’d love to see Obama secretly give an entire Bush speech, word for word, and see how much the usual parties flipped their shit.

10 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:16:32am

re: #6 Charles Johnson

“The United States is not at war with Islam.”

Cue right wing freakout.

Yep even though Bush pretty much said the same thing. Fucking idiots want another Crusades so bad that it hurts.

11 Joanne  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:18:13am

re: #9 erik_t

I’d love to see Obama secretly give an entire Bush Reagan speech, word for word, and see how much the usual parties flipped their shit.

12 Lidane  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:18:42am

re: #1 Kragar

I predict outrageous outrage ensues.

OUTRAGE!

13 GeneJockey  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:18:58am

re: #10 HappyWarrior

Yep even though Bush pretty much said the same thing. Fucking idiots want another Crusades so bad that it hurts.

What they want is the bastard child of the Crusades and WWII.

14 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:21:49am

re: #13 GeneJockey

What they want is the bastard child of the Crusades and WWII.

I believe we had that once, it was called “The Vietnam War”

15 Mattand  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:22:26am

It’s a Godwin-esque statement, but sometimes I think a good chunk of conservatives are down for a good ol’ fashioned ethnic cleansing.

Because that’s what Christ would do.

Semi ///

16 stabby  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:22:31am

I turned on in time to hear him defend drone use, and to say that Al Qaeda would kill as many Americans as they can if not prevented.

I predict liberal and further left freakouts too … many of them.

17 GeneJockey  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:23:51am

re: #14 Sol Berdinowitz

I believe we had that once, it was called “The Vietnam War”

We would have won that, too, if it weren’t for you meddlesome kids and your stupid dog the hippies!

I actually disagree. The Right only favored the war after the Left started opposing it.

18 Decatur Deb  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:23:55am

Excuse the OT, but just got a probable scam robocall re OK tornado relief. Urgent-sounding voice referenced the emergency work of Red Cross and Salvation Army, but did not identify the caller’s group. Just “Press 1 to donate”—either a scam or a tremendously inept charity.

19 jaunte  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:24:05am

David Corn:

“Not shockingly, Obama is attempting to find middle ground, where there is more oversight and more restraint regarding activities that pose serious civil liberties and policy challenges. The McCainiacs of the world are likely to howl about any effort to place the effort to counter terrorism into a more balanced perspective. The civil libertarians will scoff at half measures. But Obama, at the least, is showing that he does ponder these difficult issues in a deliberative manner and is still attempting to steer the nation into a post-9/11 period.”
motherjones.com

20 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:26:45am

re: #18 Decatur Deb

Excuse the OT, but just got a probable scam robocall re OK tornado relief. Urgent-sounding voice referenced the emergency work of Red Cross and Salvation Army, but did not identify the caller’s group. Just “Press 1 to donate”—either a scam or a tremendously inept charity.

To paraphrase the Magic 8-ball: All signs point to scam.

21 stabby  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:28:11am

He’s saying that terrorists target civilians including Muslims.. and that there are countries that don’t suppress the terrorists who threaten their cities. And he’s pointing out that if we do nothing there is more loss of life, and that the alternative of conventional attacks will cost more lives than drone strikes.

I can find no flaw in his reasoning.

22 AntonSirius  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:28:19am

re: #16 stabby

I turned on in time to hear him defend drone use, and to say that Al Qaeda would kill as many Americans as they can if not prevented.

I predict liberal and further left freakouts too … many of them.

Conservative freakouts, purity liberal freakouts, and whatever-the-hell-Greenwald-is freakouts.

23 Dr. Matt  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:30:04am

If he doesn’t use the word ‘terrorism’ in every sentence, there will be Hell to pay in the form of twitterrage™.

24 AntonSirius  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:30:06am

re: #21 stabby

He’s saying that terrorists target civilians including Muslims.. and that there are countries that don’t suppress the terrorists who threaten their cities. And he’s pointing out that if we do nothing there is more loss of life, and that the alternative of conventional attacks will cost more lives than drone strikes.

I can find no flaw in his reasoning.

That’s always been the issue with drone use, unfortunately.

Like Churchill’s opinion of democracy, it’s the worst option available except for all the others.

25 Bulworth  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:30:31am

re: #23 Dr. Matt

Took him until the Xth sentence to say TERRORISM!!

26 stabby  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:30:33am

“moral safe harbor” is a good phase.

I have nothing but contempt for people’s attempt to find “moral safe harbor” at the expense of human life, suffering, rights.

People who demand that reality allow them a moral pure option are as immature as babies.

27 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:31:00am

re: #17 GeneJockey

I actually disagree. The Right only favored the war after the Left started opposing it.

Remember who started it…the same Party that attacked Fort Sumter!

/

28 AntonSirius  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:31:03am

In your face, AquaBuddha!

29 Dr. Matt  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:31:37am

I like drones. They simultaneously piss off the far right and far left.

30 lawhawk  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:31:57am

Funny, but I recall another President who essentially said the same exact thing - that the US was not at war with all Islam - only those terrorists who committed atrocities according to their perverted take on reality.

We are not at war with the Afghani people, and we are not at war with Islam, which most Americans respect as a religion of peace.” — George W. Bush, 9/16/01

Repeated for effect:

31 Bulworth  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:32:44am

re: #30 lawhawk

Yeah I was just thinking that.

32 Kragar  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:33:32am

Citizenship isn’t a shield.

I predict that is a line that will be taken out of context for years to come.

33 GeneJockey  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:34:11am

re: #27 Sol Berdinowitz

Remember who started it…the same Party that attacked Fort Sumter!

/

And opposed the Civil Rights Act!
/

Yeah, I got into it once with some Wingnut who thought he had a winning argument, bringing up the Democratic Party’s support for slavery in the middle of the Nineteenth Century. He didn’t think the flight of Southern Democrats to the GOP after the Civil and Voting Rights Acts were passed should count.

What a maroon.

34 stabby  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:34:16am

Obama is looking tough. He may get a little respect from a few right wingers whose greatest fear is that he’s never aggressive enough.

35 GeneJockey  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:36:01am

re: #34 stabby

He may will get a little no respect from a few right wingers whose greatest fear is that he’s never aggressive enough.

FTFY - Have you been asleep the last 5 years?

/

36 Kragar  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:36:05am

Addressing grievances is code for surrendering to Islam, dontcha know?
///

37 stabby  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:36:09am

Ha, he just said “that the use of force alone can not make us safe”
“address underlying grievencies”

There goes his potential right support

38 lawhawk  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:36:21am

re: #34 stabby

Obama is looking tough. He may get a little respect from a few right wingers whose greatest fear is that he’s never aggressive enough.

Doubt it. They’ll call him imperial or worse. No matter what tact he takes, up to and including accepting or adopting former GOP-held positions/views, they’ll say he’s wrong and must be opposed at all costs (up to and including impeachment).

39 stabby  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:37:06am

re: #35 GeneJockey

FTFY - Have you been asleep the last 5 years?

/

Me, ha ha? No.

40 Kragar  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:38:18am

re: #37 stabby

Ha, he just said “that the use of force alone can not make us safe”
“address underlying grievencies”

There goes his potential right support

41 AntonSirius  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:38:53am

He’s taking opponents of foreign aid to the woodshed. Too bad no one in the media will ever point it out to anyone.

42 Mike Lamb  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:38:57am

re: #37 stabby

Ha, he just said “that the use of force alone can not make us safe”
“address underlying grievencies”

There goes his potential right support unicorn

Fixed.

43 stabby  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:39:05am

Foreign assistance can not be considered as charity, it is integral to our national security.

[took quotes off as I forgot the wording]

44 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:39:22am

re: #33 GeneJockey

And opposed the Civil Rights Act!
/

Yeah, I got into it once with some Wingnut who thought he had a winning argument, bringing up the Democratic Party’s support for slavery in the middle of the Nineteenth Century. He didn’t think the flight of Southern Democrats to the GOP after the Civil and Voting Rights Acts were passed should count.

What a maroon.

That has been an ongoing talking point with the Right for ages.

But mostly, it is an internal talking point: they want to argue that it is pointless to try to include blacks and latinos in the GOP because they cannot recognize their own best interests, they are totally in thrall to the Party of Free Government Stuff

45 Dr. Matt  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:39:52am

If President Obama was really the tyrant that RWNJs claim, wouldn’t he have droned Alex Jones or Beck or Limbaugh or FNC headquarters by now?

I’m just asking questions

46 stabby  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:40:27am

re: #40 Kragar

There’s “right” then there “creepy repressed homosexual nuts”

47 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:40:29am

This is an extremely well-argued speech. It’s nice to have an adult for a President.

48 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:40:38am

TEH LIBRUL INTERNETZ IZ BLOCKING FACTZ!!11!!


49 stabby  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:41:24am

It’s nice to have a president who isn’t an aphasic dry drunk.

50 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:42:47am

DERP

51 Kragar  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:43:27am

re: #50 Vicious Babushka

DERP

This is why we can’t have nice things.

52 GeneJockey  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:43:30am

re: #44 Sol Berdinowitz

That has been an ongoing talking point with the Right for ages.

But mostly, it is an internal talking point: they want to argue that it is pointless to try to include blacks and latinos in the GOP because they cannot recognize their own best interests, they are totally in thrall to the Party of Free Government Stuff

If THOSE PEOPLE weren’t so lazy and shiftless, they’d leave the Democrat Plantation!!!11!

But they also use it externally - they LOVE to point to Robert Byrd’s KKK membership, ignoring his public disavowal of and apology for it. And all the while ignoring Strom Thurmond’s leadership of the Dixiecrats and his LACK OF a public disavowal of and apology for it.

53 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:43:39am

DERP

54 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:44:34am

re: #50 Vicious Babushka

Obama today: “The United States is not at war with Islam.” This is true. He’s at war with Christians, Conservatives and the Tea Party.

That’s why he sent Navy Seals to take out the Archbishop of Cantebury…

55 stabby  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:44:37am

a problem with the Republicans is that they need to keep a obvious distinction between their ideas and the President’s. So if his speech covers every reasonable argument, then the Republicans will only be left with crazy, mindless bullshit.

56 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:45:18am

POTUS hit it out of the park—there’s a Derpapalooza goin on.

57 Romantic Heretic  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:45:28am

re: #10 HappyWarrior

Yep even though Bush pretty much said the same thing. Fucking idiots want another Crusades so bad that it hurts.

Mostly because it won’t be them fighting and dying.

58 stabby  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:45:39am

heh, I was about to say “anyone who tweets DURING a speech is an asshole” but then I realized that that’s what I’m doing.

59 Kragar  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:45:58am

re: #55 stabby

a problem with the Republicans is that they need to keep a obvious distinction between their ideas and the President’s. So if his speech covers every reasonable argument, then the Republicans will only be left with crazy, mindless bullshit.

“WEATHER WEAPONS!”

60 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:46:40am

But if it was Bush doing the droning, Dana would say piss on ‘em.

61 Romantic Heretic  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:46:50am

re: #15 Mattand

It’s a Godwin-esque statement, but sometimes I think a good chunk of conservatives are down for a good ol’ fashioned ethnic cleansing.

I categorize it as political cleansing, not unlike what Stalin and Mao did.

62 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:47:28am

Company I do some work for recently had an incident where, upon realizing his new boss was going to be a Muslim, a guy just up and quit.

63 Kragar  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:48:21am

re: #60 Vicious Babushka

But if it was Bush doing the droning, Dana would say piss on ‘em.

Armed US citizen blowing away a neighbor with an AR-15: Freedom
POTUS authorized drone strike against a Terrorist citizen overseas: Tyranny

64 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:50:03am

Teh Derp is swarming

65 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:50:33am

We’ve got somebody yelling in the chamber now.

66 GeneJockey  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:50:37am

re: #55 stabby

a problem with the Republicans is that they need to keep a obvious distinction between their ideas and the President’s. So if his speech covers every reasonable argument, then the Republicans will only be left with crazy, mindless bullshit.

The Republicans ARE only left with crazy, mindless bullshit.

Economics? Tax cuts, starving the poor, and the Confidence Fairy.

The Environment? “Drill, baby drill”, “Global Warming is the biggest hoax since the invention of the word ‘hoax’!”, celebrating the demise of Fisker and Solyndra, etc.

Foreign Policy? More and bigger wars, bomb Iran, bomb North Korea, bomb Syria, but also bomb the Syrian Opposition. Oh, and out-crazy the craziest, most extreme right-wing Israelis on Israel.

I forget who said it, but it’s no longer a party, it’s a death cult.

67 Bubblehead II  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:51:17am

Heckler going on about Gitmo. The Pres handled it with class as usual.

68 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:51:47am

Code Pink

69 Mike Lamb  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:51:59am

re: #60 Vicious Babushka

But if it was Bush doing the droning, Dana would say piss on ‘em.

That’s word salad.

70 Lidane  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:52:03am

re: #22 AntonSirius

Conservative freakouts, purity liberal freakouts, and whatever-the-hell-Greenwald-is freakouts.

The term you’re looking for is moonbat whackadoodle. Heh.

71 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:52:32am

POTUS told Code Pink lady to STFU and STFD

72 stabby  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:52:47am

re: #66 GeneJockey

That’s true too.

I feel like i’m in fiddler on the roof. You’re right and you’re right…

73 GeneJockey  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:53:00am

re: #59 Kragar

“WEATHER WEAPONS!”

Much more concise than my rather windy post.

74 Bubblehead II  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:53:08am

There she goes again. The Pres just chastised her about free speech.

75 Alexzander  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:53:20am

I cannot remember seeing a presidential speech interrupted twice like that. Am I forgetting some recent examples?

76 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:53:28am

Probably Medea Benjamin. Sounded like her screech.

77 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:53:31am

Code Pink’s still around?

78 Bulworth  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:54:14am

re: #64 Vicious Babushka

Derper still mad PBO got OBL.

79 AntonSirius  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:54:46am

re: #76 Charles Johnson

Probably Medea Benjamin. Sounded like her screech.

And then he gives her credit for her passion on the issue.

You have to try really, really hard not to have a lot of respect for our president.

80 Stanghazi  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:54:56am

re: #62 Eclectic Cyborg

Company I do some work for recently had an incident where, upon realizing his new boss was going to be a Muslim, a guy just up and quit.

Well that patriot obviously doesn’t need to work.

81 Bulworth  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:55:10am

re: #58 stabby

Anyone ELSE who tweets, etc….

82 Alexzander  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:55:20am

Most successful heckler ever…

83 brennant  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:55:21am

What a waste of time.

84 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:55:31am

“We’re addressing that, ma’am”

85 Alexzander  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:55:40am

She is getting the president’s ear for full minutes here..

86 Bulworth  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:55:45am

re: #56 Vicious Babushka

Although the derpalooza is pretty much standard operating procedure…

87 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:55:51am

“Please proceed”

88 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:55:53am
89 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:56:24am

And now comes the smackdown.

90 Lidane  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:56:34am

Fire up the derp engines:

91 Bulworth  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:57:13am

re: #64 Vicious Babushka

BENGHAZIBENGHAZIBENGHAZI

92 Mattand  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:57:32am

re: #62 Eclectic Cyborg

Company I do some work for recently had an incident where, upon realizing his new boss was going to be a Muslim, a guy just up and quit.

You know, with someone like that, it’s not a question if they own a gun; it’s a question of how many and whom are they going to shoot to death.

93 Kragar  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:57:43am

re: #90 Lidane

Fire up the derp engines:

How long before a nutter claims that was the Muslim Brotherhoods plan all along?

94 Lidane  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:58:22am
95 Bulworth  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:58:34am

re: #93 Kragar

Why is Obummer trying to destroy the Republican Party by making them derp all the derp time?

96 stabby  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:59:14am

I wonder if the derp will ever wind down.

Will people ever get tired of making fools of themselves and losing?

97 Bulworth  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:59:15am

re: #94 Lidane

Because PBO/president is a dictator and can do anything he wants.

/

98 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:59:26am

re: #95 Bulworth

Why is Obummer trying to destroy the Republican Party by making them derp all the derp time?

He led them into a trap about his birth certificate, even Karl Rove could not prevent them from falling for it..he must have voodoo powers or derpattraction.

99 Dr. Matt  Thu, May 23, 2013 11:59:38am

re: #22 AntonSirius

Conservative freakouts, purity liberal freakouts, and whatever-the-hell-Greenwald-is freakouts.

Professional concern troll

100 Lidane  Thu, May 23, 2013 12:00:17pm
101 stabby  Thu, May 23, 2013 12:00:23pm

People are derping themselves to death right now.

Please give generously so we can find a cure for derp.

102 Dr. Matt  Thu, May 23, 2013 12:00:45pm
103 AntonSirius  Thu, May 23, 2013 12:01:23pm

Bastard made me well up again. That was some powerful stuff at the end.

104 Lidane  Thu, May 23, 2013 12:01:49pm

re: #77 HappyWarrior

Code Pink’s still around?

That’s what I was thinking.

105 Lidane  Thu, May 23, 2013 12:02:19pm
106 stabby  Thu, May 23, 2013 12:02:56pm

re: #98 Sol Berdinowitz

He led them into a trap about his birth certificate, even Karl Rove could not prevent them from falling for it..he must have voodoo powers or derpattraction.

He “led them into a trap” by ignoring them for a long time…
I pointed out to a birther on PJMedia that there was no point in him addressing them while they were covering themselves with shame and hurting their party… He or she pretty much blew a gasket.

107 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 23, 2013 12:03:18pm
108 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 23, 2013 12:03:58pm
109 stabby  Thu, May 23, 2013 12:04:40pm

re: #107 Charles Johnson

Sadly, that will probably be the Fox News lie.

110 Lidane  Thu, May 23, 2013 12:04:52pm
111 GeneJockey  Thu, May 23, 2013 12:04:53pm

re: #106 stabby

He “led them into a trap” by ignoring them for a long time…
I pointed out to a birther on PJMedia that there was no point in him addressing them while they were covering themselves with shame and hurting their party… He or she pretty much blew a gasket.

Let me guess: some form of the PeeWee Herman Defense - “I know you are, but what am I?”

112 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 23, 2013 12:05:05pm

Wingnuts shocked SHOCKED that they were outDerped by Medea Benjamin.

113 jaunte  Thu, May 23, 2013 12:05:13pm

re: #108 Charles Johnson

“The voice of that woman is worth paying attention to. Obviously I do not agree with much of what she said.”

114 Kragar  Thu, May 23, 2013 12:06:12pm

re: #108 Charles Johnson

All that, and their only take away was he got heckled?

115 Lidane  Thu, May 23, 2013 12:06:25pm
116 AntonSirius  Thu, May 23, 2013 12:09:00pm

re: #114 Kragar

All that, and their only take away was he got heckled?

[Embedded content]

It’s the only safe thing to mention, until they get a chance to parse out every phrase and twist it beyond all recognition.

117 AntonSirius  Thu, May 23, 2013 12:09:49pm

I am now pointedly not turning on any cable news channel for their analysis of that speech.

118 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 23, 2013 12:09:55pm
119 jaunte  Thu, May 23, 2013 12:10:15pm
120 GeneJockey  Thu, May 23, 2013 12:11:28pm

re: #117 AntonSirius

I am now pointedly not turning on any cable news channel for their analysis of that speech.

But…but…but…How will you know what to think about the speech without their hard-hitting, expert analysis?

//

121 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, May 23, 2013 12:12:47pm

Medea Benjamin escorted out of Obama speech

122 Political Atheist  Thu, May 23, 2013 12:15:35pm

Yup trashed on the left lied about on the right.

DailyKos comment


that [secret, with no accountability] determination?

Someone’s bored 19 year old son sitting in a recliner somewhere far from harm’s way? CIA agent under pressure to produce results [maybe for some US corporation] ?

Hey, wait a minute now. I wonder if YOU, are you a known terrorist, or maybe you should be killed just because we thought you MIGHT be one or looked like one or were where one might be if they were well, ummm…..?

Getting an indictment takes too long, plink, there now, you are no longer a problem are you. Plink, plink, oops, sorry for the double tap, those kids should stay off the lawn, and those first responders, well….

Read the diary ? Holder admits that 3 of the Americans were killed by ‘accident.’ Known terrorists my @ss.

Salon:
Letter from Eric Holder and reports on policy shift do little to allay concerns about endless, boundless drone war

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123 Dr. Matt  Thu, May 23, 2013 12:15:37pm

re: #121 NJDhockeyfan

Medea Benjamin escorted out of Obama speech

What an annoying wench.

No offense to wenches.

124 wrenchwench  Thu, May 23, 2013 12:16:22pm

re: #123 Dr. Matt

What an annoying wench.

No offense to wenches.

Watch it, buddy….

125 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, May 23, 2013 12:16:34pm

re: #123 Dr. Matt

What an annoying wench.

No offense to wenches.

Medea whore

/

(not to forget that, I don’t want to hit bottom again)

126 Dr. Matt  Thu, May 23, 2013 12:17:31pm

re: #124 wrenchwench

Watch it, buddy….

Ooops.

hahahaha

127 Bulworth  Thu, May 23, 2013 12:20:51pm

re: #117 AntonSirius

You’re missing a lot of commercials then. /

128 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, May 23, 2013 12:22:26pm

re: #117 AntonSirius

I am now pointedly not turning on any cable news channel for their analysis of that speech.

I walked past the lunch room and CNN had already rolled out a GOP rep from Texas. I knew better than to stop and bother listening.

129 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, May 23, 2013 12:23:30pm

re: #124 wrenchwench

Watch it, buddy….

You should see if the inverse is true. If you can dodge a ball, you can dodge a wrench…
:D

130 AntonSirius  Thu, May 23, 2013 12:24:11pm

re: #121 NJDhockeyfan

Medea Benjamin escorted out of Obama speech

[Embedded content]

“Can you tell the Muslim people their lives are as precious as our lives?”

Umm, he did. That was the whole “same standards used for non-citizens as for American enemy combatants” section of the speech you apparently nodded off during, Medea.

131 Lidane  Thu, May 23, 2013 12:24:39pm
132 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, May 23, 2013 12:25:49pm

re: #131 Lidane

The Romney Campaign already has that covered. Choose both and support them in separate statements.

133 Kragar  Thu, May 23, 2013 12:29:04pm

Tony Perkins, Who Called Gays Pawns of the Devil, Says He Is Against ‘Demonizing’ Gays

Perkins said that while GLAAD named him “the most dangerous man in America” he only “speaks from love” about gay people and that he “completely denounce[s] hateful rhetoric, calling people names and demonizing them.”

Of course, GLAAD has never named Perkins “the most dangerous man in America,” and Perkins has quite a record of “demonizing” gays …like the time he called them literal pawns of the Devil.

134 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, May 23, 2013 12:30:14pm
135 chadu  Thu, May 23, 2013 12:32:08pm

re: #62 Eclectic Cyborg

Company I do some work for recently had an incident where, upon realizing his new boss was going to be a Muslim, a guy just up and quit.

WTF? In this economy? Sweet Jebus Haploid Christ.

136 Backwoods_Sleuth  Thu, May 23, 2013 12:32:19pm

re: #9 erik_t

I’d love to see Obama secretly give an entire Bush speech, word for word, and see how much the usual parties flipped their shit.

no, think more spectacular! A Reagan speech!

137 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, May 23, 2013 12:33:49pm
138 chadu  Thu, May 23, 2013 12:34:12pm

re: #79 AntonSirius

And then he gives her credit for her passion on the issue.

You have to try really, really hard not to have a lot of respect for our president.

Which is why the Republicans are being nothing getting done in Congress — they’re using up all their spoons on Obama Derangement Syndrome.

139 Kragar  Thu, May 23, 2013 12:34:31pm

Gohmert IRS speech veers into rant about owls mating ‘like crazy’ on Kmart signs

During a Thursday House floor speech about the Internal Revenue Service’s (IRS) practice of scrutinizing conservative groups, Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-TX) connected the so-called scandal to the idea that owls could mate on Kmart signs.

140 jaunte  Thu, May 23, 2013 12:34:37pm
141 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 23, 2013 12:34:40pm
142 bratwurst  Thu, May 23, 2013 12:36:18pm

Gohmert IRS speech veers into rant about owls mating ‘like crazy’ on Kmart signs

Unsurprisingly, this “owls mating on Kmart signs” business is a total rehash of a right wing pro-logging meme from Oregon that has been around for at least 6 years.

143 Lidane  Thu, May 23, 2013 12:36:36pm
144 Jack Burton  Thu, May 23, 2013 12:36:53pm

re: #137 NJDhockeyfan

Oh please for the love of…

Not the “Speak truth to power” yammering again.

145 darthstar  Thu, May 23, 2013 12:36:56pm
146 Lidane  Thu, May 23, 2013 12:39:02pm
147 darthstar  Thu, May 23, 2013 12:40:35pm

re: #146 Lidane

2nd Amendment > 1st Amendment, apparently.

148 Lidane  Thu, May 23, 2013 12:43:10pm

re: #147 darthstar

2nd Amendment > 1st Amendment, apparently.

More like 2nd Amendment > everything else. These people are nuts.

149 Kragar  Thu, May 23, 2013 12:43:12pm

re: #146 Lidane

We were too soft on the South.

150 stabby  Thu, May 23, 2013 12:43:49pm

OK, today’s lesson is:
Giving an intelligent speech doesn’t make your audience intelligent.

Also since it was a good speech that laid out a good defense for a lot of policies, no one who relies on right wing media will ever find out what was in the speech.

151 Kragar  Thu, May 23, 2013 12:44:47pm

Texas GOP Introduced At Least 24 Anti-Abortion Bills This Year, But Not A Single One Advanced

every single anti-abortion bill proposed in Texas this year was successfully blocked before it reached the House or Senate floor. Of course, that wasn’t for lack of trying — altogether, anti-choice lawmakers introduced at least 24 different measures to restrict Texas women’s reproductive rights. Some of those bills even had the backing of key leaders in the state, like Gov. Rick Perry (R) and Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst (R). But Democratic members of the state legislature pushed back, and won.

“Democrats stuck together very well this session and made strong arguments and strong advocacy on behalf of a woman’s right to choose,” state Sen. Kirk Watson (D), the head of Texas’ Democratic caucus, told the Express-News. “Just this week, I’ve had pressure from leadership pushing to bring up bills in an almost threatening way, and we have stood up to that. …Now we’re at the end of the session, and they’re dead.”

152 Political Atheist  Thu, May 23, 2013 12:46:49pm

re: #147 darthstar

That is a stupid way to deal with that issue. I’d rather just publicly scorn the journos. AFAIK that’s just a way to put us on a Megans list in peoples minds. That kind of personal data should be held to the relevant agencies that enforce the laws. The newspaper reading public has no need to know my stuff.

Plus it helps burglars or worse. Who does or does not have a gun at a particular address usually unoccupied in daytime?

153 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 23, 2013 12:47:13pm
154 Bulworth  Thu, May 23, 2013 12:48:03pm

re: #151 Kragar

Focused like a laser beam….Less Government….Freedom

155 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 23, 2013 12:48:10pm
156 aagcobb  Thu, May 23, 2013 12:48:12pm

re: #136 Backwoods_Sleuth

no, think more spectacular! A Reagan speech!

He could give a Regan speech on nuclear disarmanent, and watch them derp about how he wants to disarm America and surrender to the commie muslims.

157 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 23, 2013 12:48:30pm
158 lawhawk  Thu, May 23, 2013 12:48:32pm

re: #151 Kragar

It’s real easy to introduce legislation across the nation in state legislatures. It’s easy to grandstand.

It’s a whole lot harder to get the legislation passed committee, the chamber, and then enacted into legislation that can sustain a constitutional challenge.

You know, actually governing and engaging in the art of politics (which includes compromise instead of the scorched earth tactics that the GOP has adopted across much of the country).

159 Political Atheist  Thu, May 23, 2013 12:50:22pm

I gotta tweet this somehow…
*Standing Ovation For POTUS*
Wired

While Obama would not declare an end to the war on terrorism, Obama offered to work with Congress to constrain some of his own authorities for waging it, reflecting what he and aides described as a discomfort with permanent executive war powers. He said he was “open” to working with Congress to establish some additional mechanism to oversee the proper targeting of terrorists, such as a court modeled on the secretive one that oversees the surveillance of suspected foreign agents. He also expressed a preference to constrain “and ultimately repeal” the broad latitude of warmaking powers granted in the 2001 Authorization to Use Military Force (AUMF), the legislative wellspring of the war. “This is the moment to ask ourselves hard questions,” Obama said.

160 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, May 23, 2013 12:51:12pm

We interrupt this blog for an important announcement..

161 lawhawk  Thu, May 23, 2013 12:51:47pm

And now the entire conversation re: Gitmo will be not about how there’s a need to close it and deal with the people we’ve been detaining there and finding alternative arrangements, but about how Code Pink and Medea Benjamin are yammering and stammering about how they want it closed.

Which the President already agrees with.

Problem is that no one wants the detainees brought stateside to a domestic confinement facility, and the alternative may mean more renditions and secret facilities in countries that have no respect for rights, as well as deportations to countries that have no interest in taking in the detainees or where the detainees may be among persecuted groups (eg: Uhigurs and China).

162 Kragar  Thu, May 23, 2013 12:53:01pm

Republican Arizona Rep. claims anti-choice movement ‘arrested Nazi holocaust’

“The pro-life perspective is a growing majority in America,” he added, in video snipped by Right Wing Watch, embedded below. “We are the ones that rushed into eastern Europe and arrested the Nazi holocaust. We are the ones that said no more to slavery after 1,000 years. And, by the grace of God, we’re gonna be the ones that say we’re gonna protect our unborn children.”

He went onto add, “Once they’re born, screw ‘em. Their mother should have kept her legs shut if she didn’t want kids.”

163 darthstar  Thu, May 23, 2013 12:55:45pm
164 A Mom Anon  Thu, May 23, 2013 12:55:57pm

Medea Benjamin is an idiot. Code Pink started out as a good idea, women against war. What the hell happened I have no idea. But it’s really fucking tiresome to see them at hearings and speeches and protests interrupting and screaming about shit when they aren’t listening to wtf is going on right in front of them. It makes liberals look like morons and I for one wish they’d go the hell away OR do something that actually helps someone.

165 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, May 23, 2013 12:59:00pm

re: #164 A Mom Anon

Medea Benjamin is an idiot. Code Pink started out as a good idea, women against war. What the hell happened I have no idea. But it’s really fucking tiresome to see them at hearings and speeches and protests interrupting and screaming about shit when they aren’t listening to wtf is going on right in front of them. It makes liberals look like morons and I for one wish they’d go the hell away OR do something that actually helps someone.

She does put conservatives into a bit of a quandry…how can they attack Obama without tacity supporting Code Pink or vice-versa?

so bless her pointed little head for that, if nothing else…

166 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 23, 2013 12:59:02pm

re: #164 A Mom Anon

Medea Benjamin is an idiot. Code Pink started out as a good idea, women against war. What the hell happened I have no idea. But it’s really fucking tiresome to see them at hearings and speeches and protests interrupting and screaming about shit when they aren’t listening to wtf is going on right in front of them. It makes liberals look like morons and I for one wish they’d go the hell away OR do something that actually helps someone.

Code Pink started out, and still is, a vehicle to enable Medea Benjamin’s Attention addiction.

The rage has been building up since she has been upstaged by the Tea Party and Westboro.

167 Bulworth  Thu, May 23, 2013 12:59:04pm
We are the ones that said no more to slavery after 1,000 years.

This is Louie-Gohmert-style dumbfackery.

168 Kragar  Thu, May 23, 2013 1:00:16pm

Saxby Chambliss: “Obama’s Counterterrorism Speech A Victory For Terrorists”

“The President’s speech today will be viewed by terrorists as a victory,” said Chambliss, who recently golfed with the president, in a statement. “Rather than continuing successful counterterrorism activities, we are changing course with no clear operational benefit. We knew five years ago that closing Guantanamo was a bad idea and would not work. Yet, today’s speech sends the message to Guantanamo detainees that if they harass the dedicated military personnel there enough, we will give in and send them home, even to Yemen. With the recidivism rate now at 28% and the increased threat from al Qaeda and its affiliates, including in Yemen, GITMO must stay open for business.”

169 Bulworth  Thu, May 23, 2013 1:00:24pm

re: #165 Sol Berdinowitz

See….?????!!?!?!?????

All an Obummer stunt to, um, something.

//

170 Bulworth  Thu, May 23, 2013 1:00:57pm

re: #168 Kragar

OBL could not be reached for comment…

171 aagcobb  Thu, May 23, 2013 1:01:33pm

Sorry, Star Trek fans, Teleportation is impossible.

172 Kragar  Thu, May 23, 2013 1:01:53pm

re: #167 Bulworth

This is Louie-Gohmert-style dumbfackery.

Every time you say “That is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard”, another GOP politician will say “I can top that!”

173 darthstar  Thu, May 23, 2013 1:02:14pm

Kelly Ayotte and Lindsey Graham talking about Gitmo on cspan ( c-span.org )

Ayotte talking about prisoners tunneling out of Yemen with all the effectiveness of an HR person giving a company overview by powerpoint.

174 Tigger2  Thu, May 23, 2013 1:02:36pm

re: #40 Kragar

US must mean the crazy right and Religious Right (the same thing), because I don’t worry about it that much, I have real things to worry about.

175 A Mom Anon  Thu, May 23, 2013 1:04:05pm

re: #168 Kragar

Oh. Well this must be why his office can’t be bothered to get back to me about the program my son is waiting to get into for young adults with autism. It’s been 10 days and no one can seem to tell me how many federal dollars have been cut from the program. That’s all I want to know. More important things to do I see.

I wish I had just one elected official here that actually represented me and my family. It’s depressing.

176 Bulworth  Thu, May 23, 2013 1:04:06pm

today’s speech sends the message to Guantanamo detainees that if they harass the dedicated military personnel there enough, we will give in and send them home, even to Yemen

.

Yeah, I can’t imagine why people locked up without charges thousands of miles away from home and isolated from the world for more than a decade would be mad about anything.

177 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 23, 2013 1:04:53pm

re: #176 Bulworth

.

Yeah, I can’t imagine why people locked up without charges thousands of miles away from home and isolated from the world for more than a decade would be mad about anything.

Let’s ask the women in Cleveland about that.

178 Kragar  Thu, May 23, 2013 1:05:14pm

re: #171 aagcobb

Sorry, Star Trek fans, Teleportation is impossible.

As long as you don’t mind the original you being destroyed, and a replica you being created and living your life, I don’t see the problem.

179 Targetpractice  Thu, May 23, 2013 1:07:17pm

re: #176 Bulworth

.

Yeah, I can’t imagine why people locked up without charges thousands of miles away from home and isolated from the world for more than a decade would be mad about anything.

Which is pretty much what they’re arguing now: “We can’t allow these people out of Gitmo because we’ve radicalized them, given them every reason to hate us. So now we have no choice but to keep them locked up for the rest of their lives, else they’ll take up arms against us.”

180 Mattand  Thu, May 23, 2013 1:15:27pm

re: #160 NJDhockeyfan

We interrupt this blog for an important announcement..

Just what Americans need: more excuses to eat junk food.

181 AntonSirius  Thu, May 23, 2013 1:16:22pm

re: #144 Jack Burton

Oh please for the love of…

Not the “Speak truth to power” yammering again.

You don’t get points for ‘speaking truth to power’ when the power in question addressed your concerns ten minutes beforehand in his speech.

It’d be like heckling JFK to ask him what you could do for your country, or heckling Reagan to ask him when he was going to do something about the Berlin Wall.

182 Kragar  Thu, May 23, 2013 1:16:25pm

re: #180 Mattand

Just what Americans need: more excuses to eat junk food.

Just stuff it in your mouth, enjoy all the flavor, then spit it out.

183 sagehen  Thu, May 23, 2013 1:17:25pm

re: #156 aagcobb

He could give a Regan speech on nuclear disarmanent, and watch them derp about how he wants to disarm America and surrender to the commie muslims.

That’s actually not theoretical… that’s what happened with the START II treaty… all the former Secs of State for the last 30 years except Condi (R & D, *all* of them), and GHWB, came out publicly in support of the treaty, urging ratification, some lame duck Republicans were persuaded to vote for it, and it barely squeaked through. The Tea Party howled in despair.

184 Decatur Deb  Thu, May 23, 2013 1:18:23pm

re: #162 Kragar

“The pro-life perspective is a growing majority in America,” he added, in video snipped by Right Wing Watch, embedded below. “We are the ones that rushed into eastern Europe and arrested the Nazi holocaust. We are the ones that said no more to slavery after 1,000 years… “

He can’t decide whether the anti-choicers are Marshal Zhukov or Gen Sherman?

185 aagcobb  Thu, May 23, 2013 1:18:44pm

re: #178 Kragar

As long as you don’t mind the original you being destroyed, and a replica you being created and living your life, I don’t see the problem.

That’s the question; if the replica had all of your memories, is it you?

186 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 23, 2013 1:19:39pm

re: #183 sagehen

That’s actually not theoretical… that’s what happened with the START II treaty… all the former Secs of State for the last 30 years except Condi (R & D, *all* of them), and GHWB, came out publicly in support of the treaty, urging ratification, some lame duck Republicans were persuaded to vote for it, and it barely squeaked through. The Tea Party howled in despair.

I am just glad we’re not in the Cold War anymore because if Obama had repeated the Reagan strategy of actually engaging with a Soviet leader, it would be the “proof” that he’s actually a sekrit commie. I’m convinced because of your example and countless others that Obama could emulate Reagan action for action and they’d still complain. They don’t give a shit. All they care about is bitching because they can’t stand the fact that the Democrats have outsmarted them in presidential politics.

187 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Thu, May 23, 2013 1:19:43pm

re: #132 Feline Fearless Leader

The Romney Campaign already has that covered. Choose both and support them in separate statements.

Importantly, you must subsequently deny at various times never having supported either or both, and then be prepared to claim having always supported either or both.

188 Lidane  Thu, May 23, 2013 1:20:43pm

re: #185 aagcobb

That’s the question; if the replica had all of your memories, is it you?

Where’s Deckard? He might know the answer to that.

189 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 23, 2013 1:20:51pm

re: #184 Decatur Deb

“The pro-life perspective is a growing majority in America,” he added, in video snipped by Right Wing Watch, embedded below. “We are the ones that rushed into eastern Europe and arrested the Nazi holocaust. We are the ones that said no more to slavery after 1,000 years… “

He can’t decide whether the anti-choicers are Marshal Zhukov or Gen Sherman?

Yeah, we weren’t in Poland, the Balkans, etc outside some OSS agents so I don’t know what the fuck he’s talking about. All I see is another right wing nutjob trying to equate abortion with the Holocaust.

190 aagcobb  Thu, May 23, 2013 1:21:24pm

re: #187 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Importantly, you must subsequently deny at various times never having supported either or both, and then be prepared to claim having always supported either or both.

Romney’s big problem was that its hard to pull that off when all your previous speeches are available on youtube.

191 Decatur Deb  Thu, May 23, 2013 1:22:04pm

re: #189 HappyWarrior

Yeah, we weren’t in Poland, the Balkans, etc outside some OSS agents so I don’t know what the fuck he’s talking about. All I see is another right wing nutjob trying to equate abortion with the Holocaust.

My Alabama neighbors would have a hard time identifying with either.

192 AntonSirius  Thu, May 23, 2013 1:22:07pm

re: #165 Sol Berdinowitz

.how can they attack Obama without tacity supporting Code Pink or vice-versa?

That’s easy. Code Pink is a false flag operation.

193 ProTARDISLiberal  Thu, May 23, 2013 1:22:07pm

re: #21 stabby

That was the most transparent and necessary slam on Pakistan I have ever seen.

194 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, May 23, 2013 1:22:27pm

re: #180 Mattand

Just what Americans need: more excuses to eat junk food.

There is an alternative….Spudnuts!

195 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Thu, May 23, 2013 1:24:16pm

re: #178 Kragar

As long as you don’t mind the original you being destroyed, and a replica you being created and living your life, I don’t see the problem.

For all you know, that’s happened already, assuming your replica would also get all your memories.

The problem is the amount of storage space and bandwidth needed to store and transmit the complete quantum state and position of every single atom in your body.

196 Lidane  Thu, May 23, 2013 1:24:40pm
197 AntonSirius  Thu, May 23, 2013 1:25:04pm

re: #178 Kragar

As long as you don’t mind the original you being destroyed, and a replica you being created and living your life, I don’t see the problem.

Hey now, spoiler warning. Some people may not have seen The Prestige.

Oops.

198 lawhawk  Thu, May 23, 2013 1:26:05pm

re: #188 Lidane

But will you dream of electric sheep?

199 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Thu, May 23, 2013 1:28:09pm

re: #139 Kragar

Gohmert IRS speech veers into rant about owls mating ‘like crazy’ on Kmart signs

I bet most professional writers have “Gohmert speech veers into rant” set up as an auto-completion macro or something.

Sort of like how they have their spell check set up to replace “incoherent lunatic” with “Tea Party favorite”.

200 Eventual Carrion  Thu, May 23, 2013 1:32:30pm

re: #152 Political Atheist

That is a stupid way to deal with that issue. I’d rather just publicly scorn the journos. AFAIK that’s just a way to put us on a Megans list in peoples minds. That kind of personal data should be held to the relevant agencies that enforce the laws. The newspaper reading public has no need to know my stuff.

Plus it helps burglars or worse. Who does or does not have a gun at a particular address usually unoccupied in daytime?

Here in PA you can still have guns but not have a concealed carry permit. I have had guns in my house my entire life in PA and never got a CCP. If I take them anywhere for target practice or hunting they just can’t be loaded during the transport.

201 Decatur Deb  Thu, May 23, 2013 1:33:06pm

re: #192 AntonSirius

That’s easy. Code Pink is a false fuchsia flag operation.

202 Lidane  Thu, May 23, 2013 1:33:06pm
203 jaunte  Thu, May 23, 2013 1:36:14pm

“Operation Swill” Results:
Caramel-Colored Rubbing Alcohol Sold as Scotch

“Onerous government regulation” in action.

204 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, May 23, 2013 1:38:51pm

re: #185 aagcobb

That’s the question; if the replica had all of your memories, is it you?

But what if they make more than one replica. Which one is you?

205 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, May 23, 2013 1:39:03pm

The healthcare system in this country is fucked. Truly fucked.

My mother-in-law takes EXTREMELY important blood pressure medication. She recently switched insurers. She needs the medication daily but this stupid insurance company says they will only cover 35 pills over 45 days.

Yes you read that right, my MIL is apparently expected to play russian roulette with her health for 10 days every month or so.

I swear Health Insurers are professional bullshit artists. The power they hold is truly scary.

206 Political Atheist  Thu, May 23, 2013 1:39:56pm

re: #205 Eclectic Cyborg

The actual death panels.

207 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Thu, May 23, 2013 1:40:11pm

re: #171 aagcobb

Sorry, Star Trek fans, Teleportation is impossible.

Not that I necessarily disagree with the idea that teleportation is impossible, but I always get a kick out of scientists who insist on making assertions about the limitations of data storage, processing speed, and information bandwidth of the computer systems of 400 years in the future.

208 engineer cat  Thu, May 23, 2013 1:40:16pm

re: #202 Lidane

Boy Scouts: Gays okay. Treehuggers not so much

the boy scouts were founded in 1910 as a way to introduce america’s children to divisive politics at an early age

209 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, May 23, 2013 1:41:28pm

re: #205 Eclectic Cyborg

My sister and brother-in-law, hard-working, home-owning, middle-class, salt-of-the-earth, church-going, Fox News-viewing middle Americans, went bankrupt last year over healthcare expenses (sister had a bout with cancer, bro-in-law was in a car accident).

Both are recovered, but it left them bankrupt.

That is f*ing sick.

210 darthstar  Thu, May 23, 2013 1:44:01pm

re: #203 jaunte

“Operation Swill” Results:
Caramel-Colored Rubbing Alcohol Sold as Scotch

“Onerous government regulation” in action.

Who wants to drink in New Jersey?

211 darthstar  Thu, May 23, 2013 1:46:07pm

Oh shit…I’m an “external cause”

Image: 166019_599349886752693_1021714853_n.jpg

212 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, May 23, 2013 1:46:31pm

heh. Boehner says Obama not knowing about IRS scandal is “inconceivable”.

He keeps using that word. I don’t think it means what he think it means.

213 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, May 23, 2013 1:47:43pm

re: #211 darthstar

Oh shit…I’m an “external cause”

Image: 166019_599349886752693_1021714853_n.jpg

If we didn’t eat them they would grow into giant humungous lobsters and become a threat to the entire Eastern Seaboard and America until they were harpooned.

214 darthstar  Thu, May 23, 2013 1:48:33pm

re: #213 Feline Fearless Leader

If we didn’t eat them they would grow into giant humungous lobsters and become a threat to the entire Eastern Seaboard and America until they were harpooned.

Nah…you just have to put rubber bands around their claws and they’re harmless.

215 darthstar  Thu, May 23, 2013 1:49:06pm

re: #214 darthstar

Nah…you just have to put rubber bands around their claws and they’re harmless.

Though apparently that doesn’t stop them from fucking.

216 GeneJockey  Thu, May 23, 2013 1:49:31pm

re: #210 darthstar

Who wants to drink in New Jersey?

Who, in New Jersey, DOESN’T want to drink?

217 Bubblehead II  Thu, May 23, 2013 1:49:59pm

Someone posted earlier about getting a robocall asking for donations for Oklahoma disaster relief (just push 1) and was wondering if it was a scam. Consensus was that it was. Well here is a PSA about it.

An unnamed organization is conducting a robo-call asking for funds to donate towards disaster relief. The pitch specifically mentioned the American Red Cross and the Salvation Army.

The call came from [no phone numbers allowed]. The number gives you the option of pressing one to donate.

We spoke with the local Salvation Army and the agency does not call or email asking for donations.

“Unfortunately we’re a large organization with a good rapport and that’s unfortunate only in the sense that people try to abuse that and people try to go on the good graces of our donors and try to exploit them,” adds Capt. Marcos Marquez, Salvation Army.

Edit. Since the telephone # can’t be displayed click on the link and write it down and leave it by your phone/caller ID unit so that if it shows up, you know it is a scam call

218 darthstar  Thu, May 23, 2013 1:50:00pm
219 darthstar  Thu, May 23, 2013 1:50:24pm

re: #216 GeneJockey

Who, in New Jersey, DOESN’T want to drink?

I should have said, “Who goes to New Jersey to drink?”

220 Decatur Deb  Thu, May 23, 2013 1:51:29pm

re: #213 Feline Fearless Leader

If we didn’t eat them they would grow into giant humungous lobsters and become a threat to the entire Eastern Seaboard and America until they were harpooned.

Then they become land-mobile, there’s a 1959 documentary on that:


google.com


imdb.com

221 darthstar  Thu, May 23, 2013 1:51:37pm
222 darthstar  Thu, May 23, 2013 1:52:56pm

re: #220 Decatur Deb

Then they become land-mobile, there’s a 1959 documentary on that:

google.com

imdb.com

I love those old documentaries…it’s amazing we survived the fifties.

223 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, May 23, 2013 1:53:12pm
224 Decatur Deb  Thu, May 23, 2013 1:54:18pm

re: #222 darthstar

I love those old documentaries…it’s amazing we survived the fifties.

This was the worst of them—the monster only appeared as the shadow of a hand-held lobster.

225 AlexRogan  Thu, May 23, 2013 1:55:41pm

re: #221 darthstar

@political_bill @politicususa Ah, so she was a plant! #tinfoil #GOP #scandal #codepinkgate

— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) May 23, 2013

“I thought they called people like [that] a ‘fruit’?”

/Clue

226 Lidane  Thu, May 23, 2013 1:56:48pm
227 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, May 23, 2013 1:58:39pm

re: #225 AlexRogan

“I thought they called people like [that] a ‘fruit’?”

/Clue

‘She’s a nut!’
~ Barney Fife

228 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, May 23, 2013 1:58:51pm
229 erik_t  Thu, May 23, 2013 1:59:55pm

re: #226 Lidane

Not five. “About five”. What, was it too much effort to count?

230 Decatur Deb  Thu, May 23, 2013 2:00:31pm

re: #217 Bubblehead II

Someone posted earlier about getting a robocall asking for donations for Oklahoma disaster relief (just push 1) and was wondering if it was a scam. Consensus was that it was. Well here is a PSA about it.

An unnamed organization is conducting a robo-call asking for funds to donate towards disaster relief. The pitch specifically mentioned the American Red Cross and the Salvation Army.

The call came from [no phone numbers allowed]. The number gives you the option of pressing one to donate.

We spoke with the local Salvation Army and the agency does not call or email asking for donations.

“Unfortunately we’re a large organization with a good rapport and that’s unfortunate only in the sense that people try to abuse that and people try to go on the good graces of our donors and try to exploit them,” adds Capt. Marcos Marquez, Salvation Army.

That’s Idaho and Alabama, then. Bastards.

231 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 23, 2013 2:00:45pm

re: #226 Lidane

Haha my buddy’s group at open mic last night drew more than that.

232 Joanne  Thu, May 23, 2013 2:01:47pm

re: #221 darthstar

Nah, just another dumbass who doesn’t have the first bloody clue about how government functions.

Seriously, when did they stop teaching Civics? Obama signed an Exec Order but has no funding to move these people. Congress refuses to fund it. I suppose Code Pink wants him to don a Superman suit and personally flap his arms and fly these folks out of there.

233 darthstar  Thu, May 23, 2013 2:03:43pm

re: #229 erik_t

Not five. “About five”. What, was it too much effort to count?

It’s a scientific fact: You can only count as high as four when you have one finger up your nose.

234 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 23, 2013 2:04:05pm

re: #232 Joanne

Nah, just another dumbass who doesn’t have the first bloody clue about how government functions.

Seriously, when did they stop teaching Civics? Obama signed an Exec Order but has no funding to move these people. Congress refuses to fund it. I suppose Code Pink wants him to don a Superman suit and personally flap his arms and fly these folks out of there.

I’ve observed that partisans tend to have an unrealistic view of how government actually works. Then again, these were probably the people making pit farts during the “How a Bill becomes a Law” part of Civics class.

235 dragonath  Thu, May 23, 2013 2:04:38pm

re: #202 Lidane

God, I can’t believe there’s someone at that page defending that. It’s irrational, impractical, and absolutist.

It’s like every goddamn issue in this country. Corruption is conflated with terms like capitalism and/or freedom and it’s supposedly one’s prerogative to do so.

236 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, May 23, 2013 2:06:06pm

re: #233 darthstar

It’s a scientific fact: You can only count as high as four when you have one finger up your nose.

Fifteen if you use binary.
;)

237 Lidane  Thu, May 23, 2013 2:09:01pm
238 darthstar  Thu, May 23, 2013 2:09:19pm

Nooney toons

nationalmemo.com

239 Ming  Thu, May 23, 2013 2:09:52pm

re: #9 erik_t

I’d love to see Obama secretly give an entire Bush speech, word for word, and see how much the usual parties flipped their shit.

You make a very good point. Regarding “The United States is not at war with Islam.”, George W. Bush publicly met with Muslim leaders very soon after 9/11, I think within 1 or 2 days. We take right-wing rage for granted now, but it’s amazing how much the Republican Party has changed in recent years, and not for the better.

240 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 23, 2013 2:10:00pm

re: #237 Lidane

Yawn Saxby.

241 Decatur Deb  Thu, May 23, 2013 2:10:31pm

re: #236 Feline Fearless Leader

Fifteen if you use binary.
;)

Boogerdecimal.

242 Decatur Deb  Thu, May 23, 2013 2:12:14pm

re: #217 Bubblehead II

Called it in to the local TV, giving them the Idaho station reference. Might put a crimp in it.

243 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, May 23, 2013 2:13:24pm

IRS Source: Lerner Placed On Administrative Leave

Lois Lerner, the Internal Revenue Service’s director of exempt organizations, has been placed on administrative leave, according to a source in the agency’s Cincinnati office.

Lerner on Thursday afternoon sent an e-mail to employees in the exempt organizations division she oversees stating, “Due to the events of recent days, I am on administrative leave starting today. An announcement will be made shortly informing you who will be acting while I am on administrative leave. I know all of you will continue to support EO’s mission during these difficult times.” She concluded, “I thank you for all your hard work and dedication,” adding, “The work you do is important.”

244 bratwurst  Thu, May 23, 2013 2:13:54pm

re: #237 Lidane

Jeremy Scahill and Glenn Greenwald are up in arms as well…guess that means it was a balanced speech!

245 simoom  Thu, May 23, 2013 2:14:48pm

Washington press sees someone using fake press credentials to get through security and near the President; doesn’t inform anyone:


theatlanticwire.com

A photographer who waited in line near Benjamin saw her wearing a bright green press pass like those handed out to the rest of the media at the event, “Susan Benjamin” — her given name — written in ink.

246 Decatur Deb  Thu, May 23, 2013 2:16:31pm

re: #245 simoom

Washington press sees someone using fake press credentials to get through security and near the President; doesn’t inform anyone:

theatlanticwire.com

Can she be charged with “Impersonating a Sane”?

247 engineer cat  Thu, May 23, 2013 2:16:53pm

GOP Senator: Obama speech ‘will be viewed by terrorists

apparently sen chambliss has been appointed spokesperson for muslim terrorist organizations

248 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Thu, May 23, 2013 2:17:56pm

durr

249 Gus  Thu, May 23, 2013 2:18:09pm

re: #237 Lidane

I could have sworn that “victory for the terrorists” would involve the complete withdrawal of any and all US and NATO forces from the Middle East, South Asia, and North Africa.

[Scratches head.]

250 darthstar  Thu, May 23, 2013 2:18:57pm

Hey LAAADYYY! Jerry Lewis is getting old…and stupid.

joemygod.blogspot.com

251 Bubblehead II  Thu, May 23, 2013 2:19:56pm

re: #242 Decatur Deb

Called it in to the local TV, giving them the Idaho station reference. Might put a crimp in it.

Good Idea. The sooner the word gets spread, the quicker these (particular) fucks can be shut down.

252 simoom  Thu, May 23, 2013 2:20:36pm

re: #248 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Wow… so Rep. Stockman has sunk to rooting for breeches of presidential security.

253 darthstar  Thu, May 23, 2013 2:20:54pm

re: #250 darthstar

Hey LAAADYYY! Jerry Lewis is getting old…and stupid.

joemygod.blogspot.com

Oh, wow…they’re having a sale at jockstrap central. Joemygod’s site is always so informative.

254 jaunte  Thu, May 23, 2013 2:21:55pm

re: #248 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

“@SteveTrolls4You”

255 Gus  Thu, May 23, 2013 2:24:49pm

re: #248 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

durr

Yep. Because Code Pink never ever heckled GWB.

256 erik_t  Thu, May 23, 2013 2:24:52pm

re: #248 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

durr

Obama’s plan to regain an image of competence was a speech at a secure location, which was infiltrated and derailed by a well-known heckler.

Does he mean the floor of the US House of Representatives?

257 AlexRogan  Thu, May 23, 2013 2:26:18pm

re: #245 simoom

Washington press sees someone using fake press credentials to get through security and near the President; doesn’t inform anyone:

theatlanticwire.com

Of course the press isn’t gonna say anything to security/the Secret Service about Benjamin crashing the presser, because her getting in and doing her thing gives them a more interesting story (and higher ratings/views/sales).

258 Kragar  Thu, May 23, 2013 2:27:32pm

Hillman: God Might Destroy America for Tolerating Gays

Os Hillman has recently been writing about how conservatives can make overtures to their Satanic gay friends and even bring about a “reduction in the gay population.” Today in a Charisma column titled “4 Questions to Consider in Response to the Gay Agenda,” he warned that America may soon face divine punishment for tolerating gay people.

He said that tolerance has become a “cultural idol” and its own “god,” which has allowed a “liberal and unholy leadership to rise in power.” Hillman fears that a divine “day of reckoning” is imminent and that God may soon destroy America just as he commissioned the Israelites to wipe out the Amorites.

So God is going to command the Israelis to attack the US?

259 theheat  Thu, May 23, 2013 2:29:01pm

re: #258 Kragar

God needs to stop building gay babies. Problem solved. //

260 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 23, 2013 2:30:12pm

re: #258 Kragar

Hillman: God Might Destroy America for Tolerating Gays

So God is going to command the Israelis to attack the US?

God will destroy America for tolerating gays but God will be just fine with America have legalized slavery from 1619-1865. Yeah………..try again chief but you failed big time. Seriously what the fuck is wrong with these people. If this is what God is, I am frankly glad I am agnostic.

261 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 23, 2013 2:30:36pm

re: #259 theheat

God needs to stop building gay babies. Problem solved. //

He can’t help himself. They’re fabulous.//

262 Gus  Thu, May 23, 2013 2:31:03pm

Ah drove today finally. [I always scare my passengers. I think it’s the flat medium grey helmet with skull and crossbones painted in with magic marker. //]

263 Gus  Thu, May 23, 2013 2:31:46pm

re: #258 Kragar

Hillman: God Might Destroy America for Tolerating Gays

So God is going to command the Israelis to attack the US?

Yet God didn’t destroy America for tolerating Jim Crow laws. Hmmm, maybe “God like Jim Crow laws?” //

264 darthstar  Thu, May 23, 2013 2:33:58pm
265 Bubblehead II  Thu, May 23, 2013 2:35:09pm

re: #246 Decatur Deb

re: #245 simoom

re: #248 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Maybe it is just me, But for some reason I think The President, Security and the Secret Service knows that she is there and willingly let her in. They know her and just exactly what she is going pull when she shows up. The Pres knows how to handle her. He comes out looking classy, she looks like an idiot. The best part about it is that she only has herself to blame. The only way for it to be any better is if Orly was to show up as well and start screaching about his Nirth Certificate.

266 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, May 23, 2013 2:35:20pm

re: #258 Kragar

Hillman: God Might Destroy America for Tolerating Gays

So God is going to command the Israelis to attack the US?

“I command thee to walk around the perimeter of San Francisco once a day for six days, then on the seventh day, walk around seven times…”

267 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, May 23, 2013 2:35:57pm

Also, I must say, I loved Obama’s rip on “Mission Accomplished” during his speech. That was beautiful.

268 darthstar  Thu, May 23, 2013 2:37:16pm

re: #266 Eclectic Cyborg

“I command thee to walk around the perimeter of San Francisco once a day for six days, then on the seventh day, walk around seven times…”

It’s better by bicycle.

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269 Kragar  Thu, May 23, 2013 2:38:11pm

re: #266 Eclectic Cyborg

“I command thee to walk around the perimeter of San Francisco once a day for six days, then on the seventh day, walk around seven times…”

You would never imagine the amount of open hostility I received one time about simply bring up the use of miners and sappers at the siege of Jericho.

270 dragonath  Thu, May 23, 2013 2:40:46pm
271 darthstar  Thu, May 23, 2013 2:43:25pm

re: #270 dragonath

Introducing the Apple iBBQ

Image: 581713_10151408174941401_2092676547_n.png

Finally, a function for the Apple.

272 Political Atheist  Thu, May 23, 2013 2:45:49pm

re: #270 dragonath

Introducing the Apple iBBQ

Image: 581713_10151408174941401_2092676547_n.png

Processor running a little hot?

273 Bubblehead II  Thu, May 23, 2013 2:46:40pm

So, did anybody know that Equador has a satellie in orbit?

Ecuador Pegasus satellite fears over space debris crash

The nano-satellite, called Pegasus, was launched from the Jiuquan spaceport in China less than a month ago.

274 Lidane  Thu, May 23, 2013 2:47:33pm

re: #249 Gus

I could have sworn that “victory for the terrorists” would involve the complete withdrawal of any and all US and NATO forces from the Middle East, South Asia, and North Africa.

[Scratches head.]

Nope. Victory for the terrorists involves legalizing gay marriage, chemtrails, and Agenda 21.

275 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 23, 2013 2:47:38pm

Every time there’s an incident of radical Islamist terrorism, we have a certain crew of people who show up just to rant about the cultural superiority of non-Muslims.

It gets pretty fucking old.

276 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 23, 2013 2:49:02pm

re: #275 Charles Johnson

Every time there’s an incident of radical Islamist terrorism, we have a certain crew of people who show up just to rant about the cultural superiority of non-Muslims.

It gets pretty fucking old.

or the lame “religious of peace” thing. Some people want to use every tragedy as an excuse to justify their bigotry and it’s just fucked up. Most of these people of course don’t know a Sikh from a Muslim but they just hear Muslim and they think EVIL even though a large fraction of the world is in fact Muslim.

277 Kragar  Thu, May 23, 2013 2:49:46pm

Finally got the Insta-set I needed for my latest project, so much easier now.

278 Kragar  Thu, May 23, 2013 2:50:45pm

re: #275 Charles Johnson

Every time there’s an incident of radical Islamist terrorism, we have a certain crew of people who show up just to rant about the cultural superiority of non-Muslims.

It gets pretty fucking old.

White Supremacy dogma faces one major flaw.

Have you ever seen your average white supremacist?

279 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 23, 2013 2:52:33pm

re: #278 Kragar

White Supremacy dogma faces one major flaw.

Have you ever seen your average white supremacist?

Yeah you see these motherfuckers go on and on about how “superior” the white race is. I’ll gladly take multiculturalism and then some over their pasty bitter ass.

280 Bubblehead II  Thu, May 23, 2013 2:56:13pm

re: #275 Charles Johnson

Every time there’s an incident of radical Islamist terrorism, we have a certain crew of people who show up just to rant about the cultural racial superiority of non-Muslims.

It gets gotten pretty fucking old.

ftfy. It’s been old since about 2007-2009 exodious.

They just can’t seem to get over it.

281 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, May 23, 2013 2:56:17pm

re: #275 Charles Johnson

Every time there’s an incident of radical Islamist terrorism, we have a certain crew of people who show up just to rant about the cultural superiority of non-Muslims.

It gets pretty fucking old.

And on that note I’m going to bust out a rant I’ve had in my head all day.

Radicalized, violent people are never, ever a good thing NO MATTER their roots. Whether it be Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist, Syrian, Japanese, Chechen, Congolese, etc. A Terrorist is a TERRORIST, period.

I despise militant Islam, I despise militant Christianity, I despise militant Judaism. Terrorism in ALL FORMS is something to be condemned by decent human beings who only want to live peacefully and in freedom.

To pretend that terrorism is only limited to Islam or that all all Muslims are violent jihadis is a useless, overly generalizing waste of time. Christians and Muslims are the two largest religious groups on the planet, it stands to reason most terrorists who use religion as justification for their actions would come from these two groups.

But that still does not justify labeling every member of these groups as a terrorist.

That’s an interesting contrast with the RWNJs. There are different levels of Christians but every single Muslim is a bloodthirsty terrorist. Hmmm…

282 A Mom Anon  Thu, May 23, 2013 3:02:20pm

re: #281 Eclectic Cyborg

The problem is fundamentalists of all stripes. Religion is just the handiest excuse they use to hide behind.

283 HappyWarrior  Thu, May 23, 2013 3:03:41pm

re: #282 A Mom Anon

The problem is fundamentalists of all stripes. Religion is just the handiest excuse they use to hide behind.

Good observation and so true. If they weren’t fundamentalist zealots about religion, they’d find another outlet. Religion just works best sicne it’s so easy to use.

284 sattv4u2  Thu, May 23, 2013 3:06:03pm

re: #283 HappyWarrior

Good observation and so true. If they weren’t fundamentalist zealots about religion, they’d find another outlet. Religion just works best sicne it’s so easy to ABuse.

ftfy

285 wrenchwench  Thu, May 23, 2013 3:06:25pm

re: #280 Bubblehead II

ftfy. It’s been old since about 2007-2009 exodious.

If that’s not a word, it should be.

286 Bubblehead II  Thu, May 23, 2013 3:07:56pm

re: #281 Eclectic Cyborg

I believe it is called tribalism on a macro scale. On the smaller scale. Clanism(?). IE, my clan (family) is better than your clan (family) Hell we see it every day, But how many of us actually realize what is going on? I love my Wife/Husband, but His/Her family is a bunch of (insert adjective) here.

Look closer to home before you look further. The disease is built in. It is a condition of the Human culture

Just my 2 cents worth.

287 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, May 23, 2013 3:09:55pm

Curious observation: Why have the Featured Pages not changed in awhile?

288 Bubblehead II  Thu, May 23, 2013 3:10:11pm

re: #285 wrenchwench

If that’s not a word, it should be.

So spell check failed me and I was to damn lazy to get the WM dictionary out. Thus is life. Find your new laptop yet?

289 Kragar  Thu, May 23, 2013 3:11:34pm

Dio break, needs to be done

290 darthstar  Thu, May 23, 2013 3:12:28pm

What’s another six weeks when he’s got a lifetime of jail to look forward to?

291 wrenchwench  Thu, May 23, 2013 3:13:35pm

re: #288 Bubblehead II

So spell check failed me and I was to damn lazy to get the WM dictionary out. Thus is life. Find your new laptop yet?

I think it’s going to be this one, but I haven’t ordered it yet…..

292 SidewaysQuark  Thu, May 23, 2013 3:15:19pm

re: #282 A Mom Anon

The problem is fundamentalists of all stripes. Religion is just the handiest excuse they use to hide behind.

Some religions produce more violent fundamentalists than others, though, and it might be prudent to acknowledge that elephant in the room and explore why it’s there, so the problem can be handled in a rational manner that preserves the individual rights of all, rather than in the reactionary manner that it would otherwise inevitably be handled by fringe groups.

293 darthstar  Thu, May 23, 2013 3:15:56pm

Someone’s huffing spray paint again…

294 wrenchwench  Thu, May 23, 2013 3:17:01pm

re: #289 Kragar

Dio break, needs to be done

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I wasted so much of my youth listening to the Rod Stewart/Faces version.

295 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 23, 2013 3:20:13pm

re: #246 Decatur Deb

Can she be charged with “Impersonating a Sane”?

They didn’t recognize her with her mouth closed.

296 Targetpractice  Thu, May 23, 2013 3:23:12pm

McCain and Levin call on IRS to suspend Lerner, IRS proceeds to put her on administrative leave. McCain quoted as saying “I should’ve asked for a pony too!”

297 A Mom Anon  Thu, May 23, 2013 3:23:19pm

re: #292 SidewaysQuark

Keeping people in abject poverty and perpetual war is part of the problem, IMO. Terrorism has less of a chance to fester and grow if people are educated and have some sort of a shot at creating stable homes and families. I don’t think it’s possible to eradicate terrorism entirely, but if people have something to fight for(as in a stable community, safe schools, decent basic infrastructure, access to a healthy food supply,etc) rather than to fight against(“western civilization”,other nations invading theirs, or leaders who use fear and hatred to control the people-with promises of a way out of poverty),terrorist groups have less of a chance to take hold.

History tells us that no religion is immune to abuse in these ways. Fear of The Other is a very common tactic and it works best on people who have lost hope of anything getting better.

298 darthstar  Thu, May 23, 2013 3:23:35pm
299 Kragar  Thu, May 23, 2013 3:23:41pm

re: #294 wrenchwench

I wasted so much of my youth listening to the Rod Stewart/Faces version.

Well someone is a Rod Stewart fan, so that means…

More Dio

300 Lidane  Thu, May 23, 2013 3:24:02pm

Fire up the ZOMG OUTRAGE machine:

301 darthstar  Thu, May 23, 2013 3:24:19pm

re: #296 Targetpractice

McCain and Levin call on IRS to suspend Lerner, IRS proceeds to put her on administrative leave. McCain quoted as saying “I should’ve asked for a pony too!”

McCain was trying to be FIRST! but the admin leave was already a decision before he made his demand.

302 Targetpractice  Thu, May 23, 2013 3:25:08pm

re: #300 Lidane

Fire up the ZOMG OUTRAGE machine:

Countdown to Fischer blowing a blood vessel in 3…2…1…

303 SidewaysQuark  Thu, May 23, 2013 3:25:14pm

re: #297 A Mom Anon

History tells us that no religion is immune to abuse in these ways. Fear of The Other is a very common tactic and it works best on people who have lost hope of anything getting better.

Of course. That’s why it’s good to explore the reasons to determine the source of the abuse and fix it. Beats hiding one’s head in the sand and pretending the abuse doesn’t exist.

304 GeneJockey  Thu, May 23, 2013 3:25:49pm

re: #281 Eclectic Cyborg

There are different levels of Christians but every single Muslim is a bloodthirsty terrorist. Hmmm…

It’s the ‘No True Scotsman’ fallacy in both cases - “No TRUE Christian is a terrorist” and “No TRUE Muslim ISN’T a terrorist”.

305 sattv4u2  Thu, May 23, 2013 3:27:41pm

re: #297 A Mom Anon

Terrorism has less of a chance to fester and grow if people are educated and have some sort of a shot at creating stable homes and families

And then you have the Bin Ladens of the world. Someone who came not from poverty, but a family of some renown and wealth

Yes, poverty, ignorance and the ravages of war play “a” part, but many peoples have gone through devastating wars and come out the other side without the radicalism (hello,,Japan)

306 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, May 23, 2013 3:28:04pm

re: #285 wrenchwench

If that’s not a word, it should be.

This?

Exodius the Ultimate Forbidden Lord

307 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, May 23, 2013 3:30:37pm

re: #292 SidewaysQuark

Some religions produce more violent fundamentalists than others, though, and it might be prudent to acknowledge that elephant in the room and explore why it’s there, so the problem can be handled in a rational manner that preserves the individual rights of all, rather than in the reactionary manner that it would otherwise inevitably be handled by fringe groups.

Some religions produce more violent fundamentalists right now. Roll back the clock to another time, and another religion does. So, what does this tell us?

308 sattv4u2  Thu, May 23, 2013 3:31:12pm

re: #307 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts

Some religions produce more violent fundamentalists right now. Roll back the clock to another time, and another religion does. So, what does this tell us?

Time to get a new clock??
/

309 Kragar  Thu, May 23, 2013 3:31:22pm

Rainbow - Long Live Rock N Roll (From “Live In Munich 1977”)

310 A Mom Anon  Thu, May 23, 2013 3:34:47pm

re: #305 sattv4u2

yes Bin Laden was born into wealth, but the kids he and his buddies got/get to strap bombs to themselves were not. For Bin Laden it was about power and control, for the less fortunate people who followed him, their poverty and lack of hope for a better future made them far easier targets for his extremism.

311 Dr Lizardo  Thu, May 23, 2013 3:36:50pm

re: #305 sattv4u2

Terrorism has less of a chance to fester and grow if people are educated and have some sort of a shot at creating stable homes and families

And then you have the Bin Ladens of the world. Someone who came not from poverty, but a family of some renown and wealth

Yes, poverty, ignorance and the ravages of war play “a” part, but many peoples have gone through devastating wars and come out the other side without the radicalism (hello,,Japan)

If you look back historically at the leadership of many revolutionary movements - and Al-Qaeda certainly fits in along that spectrum - you’ll see that many of the leaders came from middle-class and up backgrounds. Lenin, Mao, Pol Pot, Trotsky, Ayman al-Zawahiri, Osama bin Laden; these men did not grow up as either poor or uneducated. Lenin was a lawyer. Pol Pot [Saloth Sar] was the son of an official -not to mention educated in France - particularly ironic in light of the Khmer Rouges’ criteria for extermination. Mao’s family was certainly upper middle-class by the standards of that time. Trotsky was the scion of well-to-do farmers. Bin Laden’s family is wealthy by any metric you can apply.

It’s a peculiarity I’ve always noticed. I don’t include Stalin on that list, as he came from a generally working-class background. Adolf Hitler, the son of an Austro-Hungarian Imperial Customs official.

A good many of these revolutionaries are from the very socio-economic class they excoriate.

Oops. Edited for a major typo.

312 A Mom Anon  Thu, May 23, 2013 3:37:51pm

re: #310 A Mom Anon

I also think we need to ask who benefits the most from these acts of terrorism, who benefits from keeping people afraid, poor, and filling their heads with hate instead of education and a chance to create stable communities. Track that back and answer those questions and maybe we could begin healing some of this madness.

313 SidewaysQuark  Thu, May 23, 2013 3:37:55pm

re: #307 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts

Some religions produce more violent fundamentalists right now. Roll back the clock to another time, and another religion does. So, what does this tell us?

It tells us it’s prudent to acknowledge where violent fundamentalism is most commonly rearing its ugly head, explore the causes of the fundamentalism, and suppress it.

314 stabby  Thu, May 23, 2013 3:38:09pm

re: #297 A Mom Anon

Disagree: a lot of terrorists are middle class (or higher!), University educated. Poverty is a real problem, but terrorism’s roots are in belief and bigotry not in need.

re: #282 A Mom Anon

The problem is fundamentalists of all stripes. Religion is just the handiest excuse they use to hide behind.

Disagree. Fundimentalists are the result of REALLY believing and making religion the central organizing principle of their minds. If religion is first and second and third priorities for you, then you’re gonna be twisted.

re: #292 SidewaysQuark

It’s not an elephant in the room. Everyone knows it, some people just get a bit nervous that we’ll have to deal with commenters going full wingnut if we harp on it. And there are blogs that show that that’s a problem. Complaining about groups attracts commenters who obsess over those complaints…

315 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, May 23, 2013 3:39:25pm

re: #313 SidewaysQuark

It tells us it’s prudent to acknowledge where violent fundamentalism is most commonly rearing its ugly head, explore the causes of the fundamentalism, and suppress it.

Yes. And it’s also clear that it’s not the particular ‘religion’ itself, because in different eras and times and places, different religions have all shown the capacity for the utmost depraved fanaticism.

316 Dr Lizardo  Thu, May 23, 2013 3:40:15pm

re: #311 Dr Lizardo

I edited that comment. I inadvertently put Pol Pot’s educational background behind Mao. Sorry about that. I corrected it on edit.

317 A Mom Anon  Thu, May 23, 2013 3:42:42pm

re: #314 stabby

You’re talking about the leaders of these groups, the people higher up in the hierarchy. Those people are usually more educated and come from wealthier backrounds. The average suicide bomber isn’t going to be an Osama Bin Laden, it’s going to be some kid who doesn’t have anything else to cling to.

318 stabby  Thu, May 23, 2013 3:43:08pm

re: #310 A Mom Anon

yes Bin Laden was born into wealth, but the kids he and his buddies got/get to strap bombs to themselves were not. For Bin Laden it was about power and control, for the less fortunate people who followed him, their poverty and lack of hope for a better future made them far easier targets for his extremism.

Sure it could be power, or (I always thought) fame and prestige, but knowing that doesn’t help. Belief is at least as important. Maybe the Pope is Pope because he likes being famous. How would knowing that change anything? And yes leaders always use the children of the poor as footsoldiers. Once again, that’s universal, how does knowing that help?

319 wrenchwench  Thu, May 23, 2013 3:45:44pm

Boy Scouts will accept gay boys, but not gay adults.

320 A Mom Anon  Thu, May 23, 2013 3:46:12pm

re: #318 stabby

What about trying to eradicate poverty? What about education? What about creating new or better sources for keeping people fed? I just think if people can be given the tools to create what they need and maybe help them protect what they create til things get stable, terrorism would be less appealing to most people who might be vulnerable to going down that road.

321 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, May 23, 2013 3:46:46pm

re: #314 stabby

Are you prepared, at this time, to deal with my two criticisms of your stance on Islam?

You hold that Islam is the worst of the major religions. Your support for this contention is twofold: that there are lots of Muslim terrorists and lots of support for violent extremism in the Muslim world today, and that you personally have read the Qu’Ran and it’s more full of terrible things than the other texts, and it also has to be followed ‘literally’.

My criticisms of your position are these: First, that refusing to look at the past history of Christianity is foolish in the extreme. History matters, and the history of Christian regimes, including places like Nazi Germany and the vicious, blood-soaked battles of Catholics vs Protestants that continued through the Enlightenment era, shouldn’t be ignored. Hell, Buddhists have fought massive, terrible, democidal religious wars.

Second, your personal analysis of the Qu’ran— despite me asking, you’ve never cited where you’ve written all this up. You may just mean that you’ve read it and you have managed to compare the Qu’Ran with the Bible and the Tanakh in your head; if so, that weakens your argument a lot more given that’s, y’know, pretty hard. Anyway, you assert that Muslims need to take the text ‘literally’, and ignore that the same is true for Jews and the Tanakh; it is not allowed to be altered. Yet you’ve never explained why your criticism of the Qu’Ran wouldn’t equally apply to the Tanakh.

Finally, kind of part tow of the above, you’ve furthered referenced the character of Mohammed and said that his being the prophet and inspiration for Islam and also a bad man makes Muslims aspire to be a bad person. I’ve pointed out, again, the many figures in the Jewish tradition who have committed pretty horrific acts and yet are heroes. Furthermore, most Christians don’t really live in a Christ-like fashion, and violent Christian zealots exist despite the ‘example’ of Christ, so this theory seems a little flat.

You generally respond to these criticisms by simply restating your premise; it’d be really cool if you actually took them to heart and tried to respond meaningfully.

322 GeneJockey  Thu, May 23, 2013 3:48:13pm

Terrorists? Almost exclusively men. Mostly men under 30.

Mass killers? Almost exclusively men. Mostly men under 30.

I think men that age are most likely to feel a need to put leave some kind of mark on the world, for good or ill, and also are often looking for something to believe in.

323 stabby  Thu, May 23, 2013 3:48:17pm

re: #320 A Mom Anon

The real problem is what people believe, not what they eat.

But there’s something there. Radical groups get a foothold by feeding the poor. Al Qaeda even owns at least one hospital.

And once they’re in there, valued by the society, you can’t get rid of them, because if you even try to help their people, they’ll kill you.. Hamas.. Hezbollah… etc etc.

324 Charles Johnson  Thu, May 23, 2013 3:48:19pm

re: #314 stabby

If arguments about cultural superiority tend to attract far right types, which they do, perhaps it might be a good idea to re-examine whether your argument really IS simply based on logic and rationality, or if those far right types are attracted to it because it is inherently a bad argument based on intrinsic prejudice.

325 SidewaysQuark  Thu, May 23, 2013 3:51:42pm

re: #315 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts

Yes. And it’s also clear that it’s not the particular ‘religion’ itself, because in different eras and times and places, different religions have all shown the capacity for the utmost depraved fanaticism.

I’m aware of this; Europe during the Thirty Years War is a prime example of what you’re talking about, and a good example of how entire swaths of culture can become inundated by fanaticism. I think it’s very obvious that a variant of this phenomenon has now occurred in many parts of the predominately Muslim world ranging all the way from North Africa to Pakistan. I don’t proffer any simple solutions on how to deal with it, other than to suggest that it should be made clear, in no uncertain terms, that Muslims and their faith are welcomed with open arms in Western culture, but that the baggage that is giving rise to extremism of all sorts (from terrorism to oppression of civil liberties, womens & gay rights, and free speech) will not in any way be embraced or tolerated here.

326 darthstar  Thu, May 23, 2013 3:51:57pm
327 Kragar  Thu, May 23, 2013 3:52:15pm

Top Conservatives on the BSA vote:

“Be of good cheer. If the Bible teaches us anything, it teaches us to accept our failures, as well as our successes, with quiet dignity and grace…

Son of a bitch! Bastard! I’ll get you for this! What did you do to me? What did you do to me?”

///

328 Lidane  Thu, May 23, 2013 3:52:52pm

Haha. The derp is glorious.

329 Dr Lizardo  Thu, May 23, 2013 3:56:03pm

re: #328 Lidane

Haha. The derp is glorious.

MOAR TEARZ!!!

330 RadicalModerate  Thu, May 23, 2013 3:56:15pm

re: #171 aagcobb

Sorry, Star Trek fans, Teleportation is impossible.

He needs to revisit #2 (Destructive scanning of a body, transmitting the information, and then reconstructing the body), because he is using limitations in current technology for data transmission and storage as his benchmark for whether this is at all possible. Given the near logarithmic advances in these fields (as an example, we have the capability of storing roughly five terabytes of data in an area roughly the size of a dime - less than 10 years ago, we couldn’t reliably store 1/10,000th of that data in that space. Scanning and data transmission have seen similar advances in recent years - and his argument over the amount of data that has traveled across the internet is more a limitation of what commercial hardware is currently in place (who are historically slow in adapting new technology) versus the bandwidth of what current tech is capable.

In ten years’ time we’ll be even closer to that “impossible” ability - and who knows what advances we might make in a century’s time?

331 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, May 23, 2013 3:56:29pm

re: #325 SidewaysQuark

I’m aware of this; Europe during the Thirty Years War is a prime example of what you’re talking about, and a good example of how entire swaths of culture can become inundated by fanaticism. I think it’s very obvious that a variant of this phenomenon has now occurred in many parts of the predominately Muslim world ranging all the way from North Africa to Pakistan. I don’t proffer any simple solutions on how to deal with it, other than to suggest that it should be made clear, in no uncertain terms, that Muslims and their faith are welcomed with open arms in Western culture, but that the baggage that is giving rise to extremism of all sorts (from terrorism to oppression of civil liberties, womens & gay rights, and free speech) will not in any way be embraced or tolerated here.

I don’t get why you think this is being ignored or something, though. The idea that radical Islam is a problem in the world isn’t exactly new.

And I’m not sure how we can claim to not tolerate the oppression of the civil liberties of gays and women when we have a major party in the US here which advocates the oppression of the civil liberties of gays and women.

332 darthstar  Thu, May 23, 2013 3:57:56pm
333 dragonath  Thu, May 23, 2013 3:58:58pm

What the hell does “morally straight” mean? My morality has a gender?

334 A Mom Anon  Thu, May 23, 2013 3:59:00pm

re: #323 stabby

You’re too hung up on the particular religious aspects of this and ignoring what ALLOWS fundamentalism to take hold. If a society is stable or at least offers stability, you will see less extremism.

Hell, gangs in this country sometimes do “community service” to protect their turf. It’s PR work. Successes in getting rid of those gangs come when you offer kids something better so the gangs don’t have the allure they otherwise would. Young men are particularly vulnerable to gangs when their own families are destabilized by poverty and drug addiction, gangs offer a family where none or a broken one exists. Fill that void, the gangs lose their hold over a community.

335 GeneJockey  Thu, May 23, 2013 4:00:14pm

re: #333 dragonath

What the hell does “morally straight” mean? My morality has a gender?

IIRC, the term predates the use of ‘straight’ to denote hetersexuality.

336 darthstar  Thu, May 23, 2013 4:00:19pm

re: #333 dragonath

What the hell does “morally straight” mean? My morality has a gender?

They mean morally not gay…as if morality has a sexual preference.

337 kirkspencer  Thu, May 23, 2013 4:02:25pm

re: #310 A Mom Anon

yes Bin Laden was born into wealth, but the kids he and his buddies got/get to strap bombs to themselves were not. For Bin Laden it was about power and control, for the less fortunate people who followed him, their poverty and lack of hope for a better future made them far easier targets for his extremism.

No, it’s not poverty. Plenty of studies have shown it’s not a significant factor at all. Most of the studies are as the result of examination of the Suicide Terrorism Database in Flinders University in Australia. See as an example of the findings Life as a Weapon: Making Sense of Suicide Bombings.

338 EPR-radar  Thu, May 23, 2013 4:02:57pm

re: #330 RadicalModerate

I think you mean ‘exponential progress’ rather than logarithmic progress here.

Logarithmic progress would be something like 10% improvement for every doubling of the time span over which progress is measured.

In other words, logarithmic progress is what we get in non-technical fields like economics, law and political science. /half

339 darthstar  Thu, May 23, 2013 4:03:23pm
340 jaunte  Thu, May 23, 2013 4:03:37pm

re: #319 wrenchwench

341 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, May 23, 2013 4:04:27pm

The funny thing about cultural superiority arguments is that they tend to be made by people standing atop a pile of slightly-more-rotten corpses.

I’m always quite amused by people touting European (slash US) culture, which literally attained its height by tapping the resources and unfree labor of 4 continents, one subcontinent, and sampler platter of the more ample Pacific island chains. In a direct way, all the nice shit white people have is the product of a massive wealth transfer from the brown people they took over while citing their cultural superiority and spiritual mandate to convert.

The only thing more guignol entertaining is the people stunned by the rise of Islamic fundamentalism in poor nations. It’s almost like a century-long geopolitical policy of delivering dumptrucks of money to a feudal monarchy that actively fund the propagation of their own narrow brand of Islam has consequences. It’s almost like if you give great wodges of cash to fundamentalists willing to kill more liberal practitioners of the same religion, eventually the religion as a whole gets more conservative.

But on the bright side, the theocrats helped us outspend the Communists, so provisional Hurrahs all ‘round.

342 SidewaysQuark  Thu, May 23, 2013 4:05:58pm

re: #331 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts

And I’m not sure how we can claim to not tolerate the oppression of the civil liberties of gays and women when we have a major party in the US here which advocates the oppression of the civil liberties of gays and women.

I would contend that this adds fuel to the fire, and is indeed part of the problem. I didn’t claim that we don’t tolerate the the oppression, I said we shouldn’t.

343 GeneJockey  Thu, May 23, 2013 4:07:30pm

re: #334 A Mom Anon

In discussing the Palestinians with wingnuts, I point out that the vast majority of people everywhere want the same things: Beyond food, shelter and clothing, people want a place to live where they feel like they know what to expect, where they feel some control of their lives, and where their children can grow up free from the thread of random death. Stability, control, safety. Make people live for long without these, and you have sown the seeds of extremism.

344 Ming  Thu, May 23, 2013 4:11:51pm

re: #117 AntonSirius

I am now pointedly not turning on any cable news channel for their analysis of that speech.

I guess that’s sort of the point, from the viewpoint of the Obama-haters. One thing they don’t want is a grown-up discussion of the President’s speech. They’re not interested at all in the substantive issues. By making NOISE, they drown out higher-level discussion of ideas. So they have to make noise, right away, so the noise becomes part of the story, and crowds out what might have been a grown-up discussion.

Can you imagine President Obama giving an interesting speech that covers a complex topic (precisely what he did today) and the major news outlets simply discussing the various issues raised by the speech, at a high level, respectfully? That’s the way things should be, but it’s emphatically not the way things are today. The NOISE gets in the way, very effectively.

345 A Mom Anon  Thu, May 23, 2013 4:11:53pm

re: #337 kirkspencer

I am not just talking about suicide bombers. Which community do you think is going to be more vulnerable to the preaching of extremists?

1) a stable community where people have access to decent housing, quality food, clean water, proper healthcare and education, along with a sense of feeling life has some promise

or

2)grinding poverty, no shot at a stable future, being lucky if you are educated enough to be literate and living in a place that is torn apart repeatedly by war where you know there is really no hope of anything getting better.

I get that there will be middle class and rich kids who end up being leaders or followers of terrorist groups, but education is a key to reducing the numbers of people who will fall into the more extreme groups to be part of something, anything that’s better than what is before them.

346 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 23, 2013 4:13:49pm


347 A Mom Anon  Thu, May 23, 2013 4:15:19pm

re: #346 Vicious Babushka

Awesome! Get the wingnuts out of scouting and let them start their own groups. Freedom!!!

348 GeneJockey  Thu, May 23, 2013 4:16:59pm

re: #341 The Ghost of a Flea

The funny thing about cultural superiority arguments is that they tend to be made by people standing atop a pile of slightly-more-rotten corpses.

Indeed. Those who talk about how Muslims don’t value life oftenlook back fondly on when our advanced Western society undertook a 6 year orgy of megadeath that capped off centuries of increasingly deadly wars that happened about every generation or so, and only ended when we got so good at it that we scared ourselves out of it.

For now.

I’m always quite amused by people touting European (slash US) culture, which literally attained its height by tapping the resources and unfree labor of 4 continents, one subcontinent, and sampler platter of the more ample Pacific island chains. In a direct way, all the nice shit white people have is the product of a massive wealth transfer from the brown people they took over while citing their cultural superiority and spiritual mandate to convert.

Nonsense! It was all the hard work of white pioneers, taming the COMPLETELY EMPTY frontier and building their homes with their own two hands with only the materials they had at hand.
//

349 Kragar  Thu, May 23, 2013 4:17:11pm

re: #346 Vicious Babushka

Yummy

350 EPR-radar  Thu, May 23, 2013 4:17:21pm

re: #346 Vicious Babushka

How to prove spontaneous human combustion.

Put Bryan Fischer in a warehouse full of gay porn and sex toys. Turn the lights out. Start up an IR video camera.

351 darthstar  Thu, May 23, 2013 4:17:42pm
352 Targetpractice  Thu, May 23, 2013 4:18:10pm

re: #346 Vicious Babushka

Because really, the best way to show you’re not a bunch of small-minded bigots is to abandon the BSA after decades of support.

353 Kragar  Thu, May 23, 2013 4:18:10pm

re: #347 A Mom Anon

Awesome! Get the wingnuts out of scouting and let them start their own groups. Freedom!!!

I’m going to form my own scouts… with blackjack and hookers.

354 Vicious Babushka  Thu, May 23, 2013 4:18:25pm

re: #350 EPR-radar

How to prove spontaneous human combustion.

Put Bryan Fischer in a warehouse full of gay porn and sex toys. Turn the lights out. Start up an IR video camera.

Bryan would be much happier if he could just come out of the closet.

355 EPR-radar  Thu, May 23, 2013 4:19:10pm

re: #346 Vicious Babushka

‘sexual integrity of young men’? I’ve heard of believing in six impossible things before breakfast, but really…

356 darthstar  Thu, May 23, 2013 4:19:51pm

re: #353 Kragar

I’m going to form my own scouts… with blackjack and hookers.

I’ve already got my “double-down on 12” merit badge.

357 kirkspencer  Thu, May 23, 2013 4:20:15pm

re: #345 A Mom Anon

I am not just talking about suicide bombers. Which community do you think is going to be more vulnerable to the preaching of extremists?

1) a stable community where people have access to decent housing, quality food, clean water, proper healthcare and education, along with a sense of feeling life has some promise

or

2)grinding poverty, no shot at a stable future, being lucky if you are educated enough to be literate and living in a place that is torn apart repeatedly by war where you know there is really no hope of anything getting better.

I get that there will be middle class and rich kids who end up being leaders or followers of terrorist groups, but education is a key to reducing the numbers of people who will fall into the more extreme groups to be part of something, anything that’s better than what is before them.

Counterintuitively, group 1 is more likely to be vulnerable to the preaching.

358 GeneJockey  Thu, May 23, 2013 4:20:22pm

re: #353 Kragar

I’m going to form my own scouts… with blackjack and hookers.

Interest, newsletter, etc.

359 darthstar  Thu, May 23, 2013 4:20:32pm

re: #346 Vicious Babushka

Look at the bright side, Bryan…pup tents now sleep three.

360 efuseakay  Thu, May 23, 2013 4:21:16pm

re: #53 Vicious Babushka

DERP

And my geneticist Muslim friend in Boston is trying to find a cure for diabetes and cancer. Fuck you Jim.

361 darthstar  Thu, May 23, 2013 4:21:23pm

Here’s Rick Perry, fondling a puppy and mourning the BSA.

362 GeneJockey  Thu, May 23, 2013 4:21:37pm

re: #359 darthstar

Look at the bright side, Bryan…pup tents now sleep three.

But the guy who sleeps in the middle gets the stick at both ends.

363 A Mom Anon  Thu, May 23, 2013 4:22:00pm

re: #354 Vicious Babushka

I think he and Peter LaBarbera would make an adorable couple. LaBarbera has probably been to more gay pride parades than most gay people. He must like it, just a little, or he wouldn’t keep going back. Hell, I’d send them a gift if they had a fabulous wedding someday.

364 sattv4u2  Thu, May 23, 2013 4:22:00pm

re: #356 darthstar

I’ve already got my “double-down on 12” merit badge.

I tie a mean square knot

Just ask any of the hookers i’ve been with

365 SidewaysQuark  Thu, May 23, 2013 4:22:46pm

re: #360 efuseakay

And my geneticist Muslim friend in Boston is trying to find a cure for diabetes and cancer. Fuck you Jim.

Hope your friend succeeds and is amply rewarded for it.

366 darthstar  Thu, May 23, 2013 4:23:39pm

re: #362 GeneJockey

But the guy who sleeps in the middle gets the stick at both ends.

All the better to build a fire!

367 GeneJockey  Thu, May 23, 2013 4:23:59pm

re: #363 A Mom Anon

LaBarbera has probably been to more gay pride parades than most gay people. He must like it, just a little, or he wouldn’t keep going back.

“I was working on a case! I hate them queeries!”

368 A Mom Anon  Thu, May 23, 2013 4:24:22pm

re: #357 kirkspencer

I guess we’re just going to have to disagree on this one.

369 Targetpractice  Thu, May 23, 2013 4:25:59pm

re: #361 darthstar

Here’s Rick Perry, fondling a puppy and mourning the BSA.

Saddened the BSA bends to the whims of political correctness.

I’m saddened that 18th century dipshits like you are still electable in the 21st century, Goodhair.

370 darthstar  Thu, May 23, 2013 4:28:13pm

They should introduce her to George Zimmerman.

371 efuseakay  Thu, May 23, 2013 4:28:45pm

re: #365 SidewaysQuark

Hope your friend succeeds and is amply rewarded for it.

I hope so too. It’s a rough road. Even in that line of work, there’s a lot of pointless drama.

372 GeneJockey  Thu, May 23, 2013 4:28:58pm

re: #357 kirkspencer

Counterintuitively, group 1 is more likely to be vulnerable to the preaching.

Is that really so? Or is it that the few nutcases from group 1 who buy into the preaching are more likely to be able to kill large numbers of people, so they’re more prominent?

373 A Mom Anon  Thu, May 23, 2013 4:29:43pm

YAY!! Ice cream is finished. Basic custard ice cream base with vanilla beans steeped and then the insides scraped into the mix, caramelized chopped almonds and chocolate chips. Served with caramel syrup.

I love homemade ice cream.

(skips off singing… “I’ve got some ice cream and you can’t have none”…)

374 EPR-radar  Thu, May 23, 2013 4:30:19pm

re: #162 Kragar

Republican Arizona Rep. claims anti-choice movement ‘arrested Nazi holocaust’

“The pro-life perspective is a growing majority in America,” he added, in video snipped by Right Wing Watch, embedded below. “We are the ones that rushed into eastern Europe and arrested the Nazi holocaust. We are the ones that said no more to slavery after 1,000 years. And, by the grace of God, we’re gonna be the ones that say we’re gonna protect our unborn children.”

He went onto add, “Once they’re born, screw ‘em. Their mother should have kept her legs shut if she didn’t want kids.”

This is a special level of history fail, even for a derped-out wing nut.

The Soviets occupied Eastern Europe, not the US. How can a wingnut forget about the iron curtain? It really boggles the mind.

375 Kragar  Thu, May 23, 2013 4:32:56pm

Fox News host tells listeners to punch Obama voters ‘in the face’

A host of the Fox News show The Five was so angry that the Justice Department had investigated one of the network’s reporters that she told her viewers on Thursday to find anyone who voted for President Barack Obama and “punch them in the face.”

“Fox said, we’re targets, clearly Media Matters and others have put us on a target list,” Fox News host Andrea Tantaros explained on the Thursday edition of her radio show. “And they said, ‘Oh, Fox is just crazy! They’re just paranoid!’ Really? Are we?”

“This is what is happening to our press! This is Obama’s America! It’s like the Soviet Union,” she continued. “He said he would change the country. He said it. And a lot of people voted for him.”

“And if you see any of those people today, do me a favor, punch them in the face.”

After a commercial break, a caller from South Carolina told Tantaros that he hated Obama, but worried that telling people to punch Obama voters in the face was sending the wrong message.

“To be clear, I didn’t say punch Obama in the face,” the Fox News host pointed out. “You’re going to get me arrested with this type of government.”

“If someone voted for him!” she insisted to the caller. “If anyone that you know who voted for President Obama, smack ‘em down.”

If you find a Conservative voter, point at them and laugh.

376 stabby  Thu, May 23, 2013 4:33:02pm

re: #334 A Mom Anon

You’re too hung up on the particular religious aspects of this and ignoring what ALLOWS fundamentalism to take hold. If a society is stable or at least offers stability, you will see less extremism.

Hell, gangs in this country sometimes do “community service” to protect their turf. It’s PR work. Successes in getting rid of those gangs come when you offer kids something better so the gangs don’t have the allure they otherwise would. Young men are particularly vulnerable to gangs when their own families are destabilized by poverty and drug addiction, gangs offer a family where none or a broken one exists. Fill that void, the gangs lose their hold over a community.

Fundamentalism =/= gangs.
It only equals gangs if your religion calls for gangs.

People want pure, simple, hopeful, mystical beliefs. They want to believe that they’re important and immortal - and they have a world that makes them sick, kills them, kills the innocent - and they’re stuck because the world doesn’t match what they want to believe.

Also the silly religions misrepresent sexuality, and most people can’t even suppress their own sexuality and stay happy and sane. So, once again there is a total mismatch between reality and what people want to believe.

So we will always have a lot of nuts who try to be 100% believers in simple crap, who turn themselves inside out and even into evil people trying to excuse God for not making the world work the way it should. If people suffer, God must be punishing them for evil. If other people don’t believe what they believe, those people must be abominations…

And all this dovetails to the problem of how knowledge flows. Can believers learn how the world works? Will they believe news reports? Will they believe scientific knowledge? Will they believe history?

Middle eastern countries are in terrible shape partially because Islamists make up lies in order to foment hatred and war - because they believe God wants hatred and war.

So the problem is that entire populations think that sources of malicious misinformation are the most or only creditable sources of information. We’re on the cusp of having precisely the same problem in our society.

Educated people can be too biased to accept a sane view of the world. Religion is deliberately designed to have a powerful hold over a mind, and that can be more powerful than education.

Note that none of this has anything to do with poverty.

377 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, May 23, 2013 4:35:24pm

re: #376 stabby

So you’re skipping my post, right? You’re still unable to answer my very, very basic criticism of your Islamaphobia?

378 A Mom Anon  Thu, May 23, 2013 4:35:49pm

...

379 AlexRogan  Thu, May 23, 2013 4:36:15pm

re: #293 darthstar

Someone’s huffing spray paint again…

Someone picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue…

/

380 Lidane  Thu, May 23, 2013 4:36:46pm
381 stabby  Thu, May 23, 2013 4:39:00pm

re: #378 A Mom Anon


Solution? For the whole world?

Fight for ideas. Make sure that the next generation is exposed to modern ideas earlier than their parents were.

You can’t teach adults much, but you also can’t keep children from learning, if they’re soaked in information.

Fight fight fight bad ideas with good ones.

382 stabby  Thu, May 23, 2013 4:41:47pm

re: #378 A Mom Anon

…continued

but keep in mind that the fundies are smart enough to know this too, and they will try to keep societies isolated and children ignorant.

One of the hopes of the Iraq war was that it would break open Iraq and maybe some of the surrounding places to ideas, information from the outside. I say this because one depressing thought is that even my own goal could take war to achieve, or perhaps it can’t be achieved at all.

383 kirkspencer  Thu, May 23, 2013 4:42:14pm

re: #368 A Mom Anon

I guess we’re just going to have to disagree on this one.

I could throw multiple studies at you. Instead, just two. First: Poverty, Political Freedom, and the Roots of Terrorism. Alberto Abadie, jointly supported by Harvard and NBER, written in 2004. (link). Second, a poll by the PCPSR done in 2001 over some Israel/Palestine reconciliation issues. As a rule the lower class (wealth and education) were more supportive of reconciliation, more likely to be in agreement with us about various organizations being terrorists.

In short it’s not my unsupported opinion, it’s the result of actual studies. Many of them, done independent of one another.

Here, let me give you another point to chew upon. Membership in the Ku Klux Klan was predominately middle and upper class through much of its existence. It’s worth recalling that there were, and are, economic costs to being a “terrorist” that are difficult to meet when it’s hard enough getting food on the table. Until it goes to outright guerrilla warfare (and hence needs privates in bulk) insurgencies and terrorism are games for those with time to play.

384 Gus  Thu, May 23, 2013 4:43:40pm

re: #375 Kragar

Fox News host tells listeners to punch Obama voters ‘in the face’

If you find a Conservative voter, point at them and laugh.

Journalism!

385 jamesfirecat  Thu, May 23, 2013 4:45:02pm

re: #327 Kragar

Top Conservatives on the BSA vote:

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Quite dignity and grace…

386 A Mom Anon  Thu, May 23, 2013 4:48:08pm

re: #383 kirkspencer

Alright then, I stand corrected. Nothing is simple and I was too simplistic.

387 stabby  Thu, May 23, 2013 4:50:00pm

Another problem with religion and the flow of knowledge is that it’s possible for religious people to discount the very concept of truth. As you might imagine, when piety eclipses honesty it becomes very hard for people to think at all.

This is a worse problem when you believe that God wants hatred and war and wants propaganda to create that.

Sigh.

388 GeneJockey  Thu, May 23, 2013 4:50:46pm

re: #385 jamesfirecat

Quite dignity and grace…

Needs more Igor.

389 kirkspencer  Thu, May 23, 2013 4:53:37pm

re: #386 A Mom Anon

Alright then, I stand corrected. Nothing is simple and I was too simplistic.

fwiw, I had to have my nose rubbed in it a few decades ago. As in my commander called me an idiot and told me he wanted a memo summarizing the existing studies on his desk by the end of the next day, with bibliography and footnotes. One of the things I learned in the process is that pretty much everyone seems to think poverty is a driver and has to be shown otherwise. It is, as I said, counterintuitive. After all, it’s the peasants who are revolting. (//)

Peasant rebellions happen. And lower class gets involved. It’s just they’re not the primary feeding ground. Recognizing that helps better aim our resources at suppressing and reducing terrorism, both foreign and domestic.

390 stabby  Thu, May 23, 2013 4:56:55pm

Actually it’s almost hopeful that the British terrorist’s rant wasn’t a traditional dar al harb one, but rather posed in terms of Islamic victimhood.

You might think it means that you can make peace by giving people no reason to call themselves victims.

But even Hezbollah is forced to talk the same way because even the most radical population doesn’t like suffering from wars that are totally wars of choice. And, believe me, Hezbollah can’t be convinced that it’s time to live in peace no matter what the realities are.

391 efuseakay  Thu, May 23, 2013 5:03:01pm

re: #381 stabby

Solution? For the whole world?

Fight for ideas. Make sure that the next generation is exposed to modern ideas earlier than their parents were.

You can’t teach adults much, but you also can’t keep children from learning, if they’re soaked in information.

Fight fight fight bad ideas with good ones.

Who decides which ideas are good or bad?

392 Bubblehead II  Thu, May 23, 2013 5:03:02pm

Oj shd Fucch I a,m fucjed
//

393 Bubblehead II  Thu, May 23, 2013 5:05:27pm

re: #392 Bubblehead II

Night Lizards. Speakes in tounge.

394 stabby  Thu, May 23, 2013 5:12:27pm

re: #321 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts

My reply is simple:
1) I don’t believe that it’s a coincidence that Islam is currently the most backward religion and that it has the structural problems you mentioned (Mohammad’s bad example, and the fact that mainstream interpretations are fundamentalist).

2) I don’t argue that it’s impossible for Islam to change, I argue that there isn’t much evidence that it IS changing and that your opinions are irrelevant to whether it ever does.

3) Since you agree with me that Islam currently has these problems, then as far as I’m concerned you agree with me, because when I talk about Islam I’m talking about reality - this world, this time. The future is unknown. You can talk all you want about the nature of some abstract Islam in fictional future worlds or long gone dead past ones and that doesn’t affect my statements at all.

4) If I agree with you that Islam could change, that doesn’t affect whether it’s better or worse in the present. My actual opinion is that Islam can only improve by fading away.

395 stabby  Thu, May 23, 2013 5:43:00pm

re: #391 efuseakay

some main ideas they lack and need are:
1) the concept of the individual, and of individual rights
2) the idea that humans and their lives are of worth, even if not the same religion, clan etc.
3) the worth of liberal democracy over autocracy
4) the worth of the institutions that make liberal democracy possible, say freedom of speech

396 stabby  Thu, May 23, 2013 5:43:45pm

5) that outsiders and their societies can have worthwhile ideas

397 stabby  Thu, May 23, 2013 5:44:08pm

6) that their mythical past can be let go of

398 stabby  Thu, May 23, 2013 5:46:41pm

7) rights for women and girls
8) that brutality in the name of religion or sexual morality isn’t acceptable

Yeah efuseakay, who’s to say that any of these concepts are good eh?

399 chadu  Thu, May 23, 2013 7:33:51pm

re: #213 Feline Fearless Leader

If we didn’t eat them they would grow into giant humungous lobsters and become a threat to the entire Eastern Seaboard and America until they were harpooned.

I long for the day, back in the past (mid-1700s to mid-1800s), where GINORMUS lobsters and oysters were seen as “servant’s food” and inexpensive as hell.

400 chadu  Thu, May 23, 2013 7:37:05pm

re: #215 darthstar

Nah…you just have to put rubber bands around their claws and they’re harmless.

Though apparently that doesn’t stop them from fucking.

Therefore, lobsters are into BDSM.

QED.

Whatever happens in a small sandy patch of seabed, stays in that small sandy patch of seabed…

401 chadu  Thu, May 23, 2013 7:38:59pm

re: #229 erik_t

Not five. “About five”. What, was it too much effort to count?

Could be rabbits. Anything over five to them is “hrair.”

/Watership Down

402 chadu  Thu, May 23, 2013 7:44:44pm

re: #292 SidewaysQuark

Some religions produce more violent fundamentalists than others, though, and it might be prudent to acknowledge that elephant in the room and explore why it’s there, so the problem can be handled in a rational manner that preserves the individual rights of all, rather than in the reactionary manner that it would otherwise inevitably be handled by fringe groups.

I think it has more to do with the intersections of those religions and economic and cultural issues.

You can’t chalk this up to one variable.

403 chadu  Thu, May 23, 2013 7:45:48pm

re: #293 darthstar

Someone’s huffing spray paint again…

Why does anyone pay her money and give her a pulpit?

For FK’s SAKE!

404 chadu  Thu, May 23, 2013 7:50:25pm

re: #302 Targetpractice

Countdown to Fischer blowing a blood vessel in 3…2…1…

I’m a fking Eagle Scout, who had more than one gay Scout in my Troop.

While I welcome this decision, it’s a decade or two behind the goddamn times.

Also, this is still bullshit:

“This resolution today dealt with youth. We have not changed our adult membership standards. They have served us well for the last 100 years. Those were not on the table,” said Tico Perez, BSA national commissioner.

You stupid man.

In 5 years, we’ll see gay adult Scout leaders.

But continue trying to order back the tide, Canute…

405 chadu  Thu, May 23, 2013 7:53:58pm

re: #328 Lidane

All these assholes can DIAF.


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