2 | Charles Johnson Thu, May 23, 2013 11:09:24am |
3 | erik_t Thu, May 23, 2013 11:10:16am |
re: #1 Kragar
I predict outrageous outrage ensues.
“Ensue” sort of implies to me that they’ll wait until he’s finished. On the contrary, the outrage marches to a different drummer. Obama’s role in the news may wax and wane; the outrage remains at eleventy.
4 | Kragar Thu, May 23, 2013 11:10:25am |
5 | wrenchwench Thu, May 23, 2013 11:12:13am |
6 | Charles Johnson Thu, May 23, 2013 11:13:27am |
“The United States is not at war with Islam.”
Cue right wing freakout.
7 | Kragar Thu, May 23, 2013 11:13:59am |
re: #5 wrenchwench
He’s going to talk about those prom photos?
This briefing is meant to distract you from those photos.
/
8 | Kragar Thu, May 23, 2013 11:14:28am |
re: #6 Charles Johnson
“The United States is not at war with Islam.”
Cue right wing freakout.
HE’S A MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD AGENT!
///
9 | erik_t Thu, May 23, 2013 11:15:07am |
re: #6 Charles Johnson
“The United States is not at war with Islam.”
Cue right wing freakout.
I’d love to see Obama secretly give an entire Bush speech, word for word, and see how much the usual parties flipped their shit.
10 | HappyWarrior Thu, May 23, 2013 11:16:32am |
re: #6 Charles Johnson
“The United States is not at war with Islam.”
Cue right wing freakout.
Yep even though Bush pretty much said the same thing. Fucking idiots want another Crusades so bad that it hurts.
11 | Joanne Thu, May 23, 2013 11:18:13am |
re: #9 erik_t
I’d love to see Obama secretly give an entire
BushReagan speech, word for word, and see how much the usual parties flipped their shit.
12 | Lidane Thu, May 23, 2013 11:18:42am |
13 | GeneJockey Thu, May 23, 2013 11:18:58am |
re: #10 HappyWarrior
Yep even though Bush pretty much said the same thing. Fucking idiots want another Crusades so bad that it hurts.
What they want is the bastard child of the Crusades and WWII.
14 | Sol Berdinowitz Thu, May 23, 2013 11:21:49am |
re: #13 GeneJockey
What they want is the bastard child of the Crusades and WWII.
I believe we had that once, it was called “The Vietnam War”
15 | Mattand Thu, May 23, 2013 11:22:26am |
It’s a Godwin-esque statement, but sometimes I think a good chunk of conservatives are down for a good ol’ fashioned ethnic cleansing.
Because that’s what Christ would do.
Semi ///
16 | stabby Thu, May 23, 2013 11:22:31am |
I turned on in time to hear him defend drone use, and to say that Al Qaeda would kill as many Americans as they can if not prevented.
I predict liberal and further left freakouts too … many of them.
17 | GeneJockey Thu, May 23, 2013 11:23:51am |
re: #14 Sol Berdinowitz
I believe we had that once, it was called “The Vietnam War”
We would have won that, too, if it weren’t for
you meddlesome kids and your stupid dogthe hippies!
I actually disagree. The Right only favored the war after the Left started opposing it.
18 | Decatur Deb Thu, May 23, 2013 11:23:55am |
Excuse the OT, but just got a probable scam robocall re OK tornado relief. Urgent-sounding voice referenced the emergency work of Red Cross and Salvation Army, but did not identify the caller’s group. Just “Press 1 to donate”—either a scam or a tremendously inept charity.
19 | jaunte Thu, May 23, 2013 11:24:05am |
David Corn:
“Not shockingly, Obama is attempting to find middle ground, where there is more oversight and more restraint regarding activities that pose serious civil liberties and policy challenges. The McCainiacs of the world are likely to howl about any effort to place the effort to counter terrorism into a more balanced perspective. The civil libertarians will scoff at half measures. But Obama, at the least, is showing that he does ponder these difficult issues in a deliberative manner and is still attempting to steer the nation into a post-9/11 period.”
motherjones.com
20 | Eclectic Cyborg Thu, May 23, 2013 11:26:45am |
re: #18 Decatur Deb
Excuse the OT, but just got a probable scam robocall re OK tornado relief. Urgent-sounding voice referenced the emergency work of Red Cross and Salvation Army, but did not identify the caller’s group. Just “Press 1 to donate”—either a scam or a tremendously inept charity.
To paraphrase the Magic 8-ball: All signs point to scam.
21 | stabby Thu, May 23, 2013 11:28:11am |
He’s saying that terrorists target civilians including Muslims.. and that there are countries that don’t suppress the terrorists who threaten their cities. And he’s pointing out that if we do nothing there is more loss of life, and that the alternative of conventional attacks will cost more lives than drone strikes.
I can find no flaw in his reasoning.
22 | AntonSirius Thu, May 23, 2013 11:28:19am |
re: #16 stabby
I turned on in time to hear him defend drone use, and to say that Al Qaeda would kill as many Americans as they can if not prevented.
I predict liberal and further left freakouts too … many of them.
Conservative freakouts, purity liberal freakouts, and whatever-the-hell-Greenwald-is freakouts.
23 | Dr. Matt Thu, May 23, 2013 11:30:04am |
If he doesn’t use the word ‘terrorism’ in every sentence, there will be Hell to pay in the form of twitterrage™.
24 | AntonSirius Thu, May 23, 2013 11:30:06am |
re: #21 stabby
He’s saying that terrorists target civilians including Muslims.. and that there are countries that don’t suppress the terrorists who threaten their cities. And he’s pointing out that if we do nothing there is more loss of life, and that the alternative of conventional attacks will cost more lives than drone strikes.
I can find no flaw in his reasoning.
That’s always been the issue with drone use, unfortunately.
Like Churchill’s opinion of democracy, it’s the worst option available except for all the others.
25 | Bulworth Thu, May 23, 2013 11:30:31am |
re: #23 Dr. Matt
Took him until the Xth sentence to say TERRORISM!!
26 | stabby Thu, May 23, 2013 11:30:33am |
“moral safe harbor” is a good phase.
I have nothing but contempt for people’s attempt to find “moral safe harbor” at the expense of human life, suffering, rights.
People who demand that reality allow them a moral pure option are as immature as babies.
27 | Sol Berdinowitz Thu, May 23, 2013 11:31:00am |
re: #17 GeneJockey
I actually disagree. The Right only favored the war after the Left started opposing it.
Remember who started it…the same Party that attacked Fort Sumter!
/
29 | Dr. Matt Thu, May 23, 2013 11:31:37am |
I like drones. They simultaneously piss off the far right and far left.
30 | lawhawk Thu, May 23, 2013 11:31:57am |
Funny, but I recall another President who essentially said the same exact thing - that the US was not at war with all Islam - only those terrorists who committed atrocities according to their perverted take on reality.
We are not at war with the Afghani people, and we are not at war with Islam, which most Americans respect as a religion of peace.” — George W. Bush, 9/16/01
Repeated for effect:
32 | Kragar Thu, May 23, 2013 11:33:32am |
Citizenship isn’t a shield.
I predict that is a line that will be taken out of context for years to come.
33 | GeneJockey Thu, May 23, 2013 11:34:11am |
re: #27 Sol Berdinowitz
Remember who started it…the same Party that attacked Fort Sumter!
/
And opposed the Civil Rights Act!
/
Yeah, I got into it once with some Wingnut who thought he had a winning argument, bringing up the Democratic Party’s support for slavery in the middle of the Nineteenth Century. He didn’t think the flight of Southern Democrats to the GOP after the Civil and Voting Rights Acts were passed should count.
What a maroon.
34 | stabby Thu, May 23, 2013 11:34:16am |
Obama is looking tough. He may get a little respect from a few right wingers whose greatest fear is that he’s never aggressive enough.
35 | GeneJockey Thu, May 23, 2013 11:36:01am |
re: #34 stabby
He
maywill get alittleno respect from a few right wingers whose greatest fear is that he’s never aggressive enough.
FTFY - Have you been asleep the last 5 years?
/
36 | Kragar Thu, May 23, 2013 11:36:05am |
Addressing grievances is code for surrendering to Islam, dontcha know?
///
37 | stabby Thu, May 23, 2013 11:36:09am |
Ha, he just said “that the use of force alone can not make us safe”
“address underlying grievencies”
There goes his potential right support
38 | lawhawk Thu, May 23, 2013 11:36:21am |
re: #34 stabby
Obama is looking tough. He may get a little respect from a few right wingers whose greatest fear is that he’s never aggressive enough.
Doubt it. They’ll call him imperial or worse. No matter what tact he takes, up to and including accepting or adopting former GOP-held positions/views, they’ll say he’s wrong and must be opposed at all costs (up to and including impeachment).
40 | Kragar Thu, May 23, 2013 11:38:18am |
re: #37 stabby
Ha, he just said “that the use of force alone can not make us safe”
“address underlying grievencies”There goes his potential right support
Want to know why DHS has 1.6 billion rounds of hollow point and 2700 tanks? It’s for us, folks.— Bryan Fischer (@BryanJFischer) May 23, 2013
41 | AntonSirius Thu, May 23, 2013 11:38:53am |
He’s taking opponents of foreign aid to the woodshed. Too bad no one in the media will ever point it out to anyone.
42 | Mike Lamb Thu, May 23, 2013 11:38:57am |
re: #37 stabby
Ha, he just said “that the use of force alone can not make us safe”
“address underlying grievencies”There goes his
potential right supportunicorn
Fixed.
43 | stabby Thu, May 23, 2013 11:39:05am |
Foreign assistance can not be considered as charity, it is integral to our national security.
[took quotes off as I forgot the wording]
44 | Sol Berdinowitz Thu, May 23, 2013 11:39:22am |
re: #33 GeneJockey
And opposed the Civil Rights Act!
/Yeah, I got into it once with some Wingnut who thought he had a winning argument, bringing up the Democratic Party’s support for slavery in the middle of the Nineteenth Century. He didn’t think the flight of Southern Democrats to the GOP after the Civil and Voting Rights Acts were passed should count.
What a maroon.
That has been an ongoing talking point with the Right for ages.
But mostly, it is an internal talking point: they want to argue that it is pointless to try to include blacks and latinos in the GOP because they cannot recognize their own best interests, they are totally in thrall to the Party of Free Government Stuff
45 | Dr. Matt Thu, May 23, 2013 11:39:52am |
If President Obama was really the tyrant that RWNJs claim, wouldn’t he have droned Alex Jones or Beck or Limbaugh or FNC headquarters by now?
46 | stabby Thu, May 23, 2013 11:40:27am |
re: #40 Kragar
There’s “right” then there “creepy repressed homosexual nuts”
47 | Charles Johnson Thu, May 23, 2013 11:40:29am |
This is an extremely well-argued speech. It’s nice to have an adult for a President.
48 | Vicious Babushka Thu, May 23, 2013 11:40:38am |
TEH LIBRUL INTERNETZ IZ BLOCKING FACTZ!!11!!
@viciousbabushka Anyone with an Internet connection can. Your connection must be blocking facts again.— Roy Rogers (@Roy__Rogers) May 23, 2013
49 | stabby Thu, May 23, 2013 11:41:24am |
It’s nice to have a president who isn’t an aphasic dry drunk.
50 | Vicious Babushka Thu, May 23, 2013 11:42:47am |
DERP
Obama today: “The United States is not at war with Islam.” This is true. He’s at war with Christians, Conservatives and the Tea Party.— Patriot (@tnlawgirl) May 23, 2013
51 | Kragar Thu, May 23, 2013 11:43:27am |
52 | GeneJockey Thu, May 23, 2013 11:43:30am |
re: #44 Sol Berdinowitz
That has been an ongoing talking point with the Right for ages.
But mostly, it is an internal talking point: they want to argue that it is pointless to try to include blacks and latinos in the GOP because they cannot recognize their own best interests, they are totally in thrall to the Party of Free Government Stuff
If THOSE PEOPLE weren’t so lazy and shiftless, they’d leave the Democrat Plantation!!!11!
But they also use it externally - they LOVE to point to Robert Byrd’s KKK membership, ignoring his public disavowal of and apology for it. And all the while ignoring Strom Thurmond’s leadership of the Dixiecrats and his LACK OF a public disavowal of and apology for it.
53 | Vicious Babushka Thu, May 23, 2013 11:43:39am |
DERP
Not sure what Obama means by “Success of US Muslims” here… Tamerlan Tsarnaev had success.He blew up a marathon.— Jim Hoft (@gatewaypundit) May 23, 2013
54 | Sol Berdinowitz Thu, May 23, 2013 11:44:34am |
re: #50 Vicious Babushka
Obama today: “The United States is not at war with Islam.” This is true. He’s at war with Christians, Conservatives and the Tea Party.
That’s why he sent Navy Seals to take out the Archbishop of Cantebury…
55 | stabby Thu, May 23, 2013 11:44:37am |
a problem with the Republicans is that they need to keep a obvious distinction between their ideas and the President’s. So if his speech covers every reasonable argument, then the Republicans will only be left with crazy, mindless bullshit.
56 | Vicious Babushka Thu, May 23, 2013 11:45:18am |
POTUS hit it out of the park—there’s a Derpapalooza goin on.
57 | Romantic Heretic Thu, May 23, 2013 11:45:28am |
re: #10 HappyWarrior
Yep even though Bush pretty much said the same thing. Fucking idiots want another Crusades so bad that it hurts.
Mostly because it won’t be them fighting and dying.
58 | stabby Thu, May 23, 2013 11:45:39am |
heh, I was about to say “anyone who tweets DURING a speech is an asshole” but then I realized that that’s what I’m doing.
59 | Kragar Thu, May 23, 2013 11:45:58am |
re: #55 stabby
a problem with the Republicans is that they need to keep a obvious distinction between their ideas and the President’s. So if his speech covers every reasonable argument, then the Republicans will only be left with crazy, mindless bullshit.
“WEATHER WEAPONS!”
60 | Vicious Babushka Thu, May 23, 2013 11:46:40am |
But if it was Bush doing the droning, Dana would say piss on ‘em.
So using drones to blow American citizens to bits, is that considered “enhanced interrogation” or no?— Dana Loesch (@DLoesch) May 23, 2013
61 | Romantic Heretic Thu, May 23, 2013 11:46:50am |
re: #15 Mattand
It’s a Godwin-esque statement, but sometimes I think a good chunk of conservatives are down for a good ol’ fashioned ethnic cleansing.
I categorize it as political cleansing, not unlike what Stalin and Mao did.
62 | Eclectic Cyborg Thu, May 23, 2013 11:47:28am |
Company I do some work for recently had an incident where, upon realizing his new boss was going to be a Muslim, a guy just up and quit.
63 | Kragar Thu, May 23, 2013 11:48:21am |
re: #60 Vicious Babushka
But if it was Bush doing the droning, Dana would say piss on ‘em.
Armed US citizen blowing away a neighbor with an AR-15: Freedom
POTUS authorized drone strike against a Terrorist citizen overseas: Tyranny
64 | Vicious Babushka Thu, May 23, 2013 11:50:03am |
65 | Charles Johnson Thu, May 23, 2013 11:50:33am |
We’ve got somebody yelling in the chamber now.
66 | GeneJockey Thu, May 23, 2013 11:50:37am |
re: #55 stabby
a problem with the Republicans is that they need to keep a obvious distinction between their ideas and the President’s. So if his speech covers every reasonable argument, then the Republicans will only be left with crazy, mindless bullshit.
The Republicans ARE only left with crazy, mindless bullshit.
Economics? Tax cuts, starving the poor, and the Confidence Fairy.
The Environment? “Drill, baby drill”, “Global Warming is the biggest hoax since the invention of the word ‘hoax’!”, celebrating the demise of Fisker and Solyndra, etc.
Foreign Policy? More and bigger wars, bomb Iran, bomb North Korea, bomb Syria, but also bomb the Syrian Opposition. Oh, and out-crazy the craziest, most extreme right-wing Israelis on Israel.
I forget who said it, but it’s no longer a party, it’s a death cult.
67 | Bubblehead II Thu, May 23, 2013 11:51:17am |
Heckler going on about Gitmo. The Pres handled it with class as usual.
69 | Mike Lamb Thu, May 23, 2013 11:51:59am |
re: #60 Vicious Babushka
But if it was Bush doing the droning, Dana would say piss on ‘em.
That’s word salad.
70 | Lidane Thu, May 23, 2013 11:52:03am |
re: #22 AntonSirius
Conservative freakouts, purity liberal freakouts, and whatever-the-hell-Greenwald-is freakouts.
The term you’re looking for is moonbat whackadoodle. Heh.
71 | Vicious Babushka Thu, May 23, 2013 11:52:32am |
POTUS told Code Pink lady to STFU and STFD
72 | stabby Thu, May 23, 2013 11:52:47am |
re: #66 GeneJockey
That’s true too.
I feel like i’m in fiddler on the roof. You’re right and you’re right…
73 | GeneJockey Thu, May 23, 2013 11:53:00am |
74 | Bubblehead II Thu, May 23, 2013 11:53:08am |
There she goes again. The Pres just chastised her about free speech.
75 | Alexzander Thu, May 23, 2013 11:53:20am |
I cannot remember seeing a presidential speech interrupted twice like that. Am I forgetting some recent examples?
76 | Charles Johnson Thu, May 23, 2013 11:53:28am |
Probably Medea Benjamin. Sounded like her screech.
79 | AntonSirius Thu, May 23, 2013 11:54:46am |
re: #76 Charles Johnson
Probably Medea Benjamin. Sounded like her screech.
And then he gives her credit for her passion on the issue.
You have to try really, really hard not to have a lot of respect for our president.
80 | Stanghazi Thu, May 23, 2013 11:54:56am |
re: #62 Eclectic Cyborg
Company I do some work for recently had an incident where, upon realizing his new boss was going to be a Muslim, a guy just up and quit.
Well that patriot obviously doesn’t need to work.
85 | Alexzander Thu, May 23, 2013 11:55:40am |
She is getting the president’s ear for full minutes here..
86 | Bulworth Thu, May 23, 2013 11:55:45am |
re: #56 Vicious Babushka
Although the derpalooza is pretty much standard operating procedure…
88 | Charles Johnson Thu, May 23, 2013 11:55:53am |
Obama: “I’ll cut the young lady who interrupted me some slack, because it’s worth being passionate about.” And she’s screaming again.— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) May 23, 2013
90 | Lidane Thu, May 23, 2013 11:56:34am |
Fire up the derp engines:
Obama asks DoD to establish U.S. site to hold tribunals for #Gitmo detainees: bit.ly/16VRms8— Talking Points Memo (@TPM) May 23, 2013
92 | Mattand Thu, May 23, 2013 11:57:32am |
re: #62 Eclectic Cyborg
Company I do some work for recently had an incident where, upon realizing his new boss was going to be a Muslim, a guy just up and quit.
You know, with someone like that, it’s not a question if they own a gun; it’s a question of how many and whom are they going to shoot to death.
93 | Kragar Thu, May 23, 2013 11:57:43am |
re: #90 Lidane
Fire up the derp engines:
How long before a nutter claims that was the Muslim Brotherhoods plan all along?
94 | Lidane Thu, May 23, 2013 11:58:22am |
Obama: “I want to close Gitmo.” Heckler: “Hey, you should close Gitmo!”— CC:Indecision (@indecision) May 23, 2013
95 | Bulworth Thu, May 23, 2013 11:58:34am |
re: #93 Kragar
Why is Obummer trying to destroy the Republican Party by making them derp all the derp time?
96 | stabby Thu, May 23, 2013 11:59:14am |
I wonder if the derp will ever wind down.
Will people ever get tired of making fools of themselves and losing?
97 | Bulworth Thu, May 23, 2013 11:59:15am |
98 | Sol Berdinowitz Thu, May 23, 2013 11:59:26am |
re: #95 Bulworth
Why is Obummer trying to destroy the Republican Party by making them derp all the derp time?
He led them into a trap about his birth certificate, even Karl Rove could not prevent them from falling for it..he must have voodoo powers or derpattraction.
99 | Dr. Matt Thu, May 23, 2013 11:59:38am |
re: #22 AntonSirius
Conservative freakouts, purity liberal freakouts, and whatever-the-hell-Greenwald-is freakouts.
Professional concern troll
100 | Lidane Thu, May 23, 2013 12:00:17pm |
National Press Club panel with Medea Benjamin, Neil Munro, Joe Wilson, Kanye West. I’d pay a non-member rate to attend that.— Dara (@DLind) May 23, 2013
101 | stabby Thu, May 23, 2013 12:00:23pm |
People are derping themselves to death right now.
Please give generously so we can find a cure for derp.
102 | Dr. Matt Thu, May 23, 2013 12:00:45pm |
I disagree with the president,Code Pink is not worth listening to.
— Jordan Ashby (@JM_Ashby) May 23, 2013
103 | AntonSirius Thu, May 23, 2013 12:01:23pm |
Bastard made me well up again. That was some powerful stuff at the end.
104 | Lidane Thu, May 23, 2013 12:01:49pm |
105 | Lidane Thu, May 23, 2013 12:02:19pm |
Tyler Perry Presents Madea Really Does Go To Jail— Gabe Ortíz (@TUSK81) May 23, 2013
106 | stabby Thu, May 23, 2013 12:02:56pm |
re: #98 Sol Berdinowitz
He led them into a trap about his birth certificate, even Karl Rove could not prevent them from falling for it..he must have voodoo powers or derpattraction.
He “led them into a trap” by ignoring them for a long time…
I pointed out to a birther on PJMedia that there was no point in him addressing them while they were covering themselves with shame and hurting their party… He or she pretty much blew a gasket.
107 | Charles Johnson Thu, May 23, 2013 12:03:18pm |
In other news, several conservatives on my Twitter feed are suggesting Code Pink heckling of POTUS was staged by White House.I mean…— Sally Kohn (@sallykohn) May 23, 2013
108 | Charles Johnson Thu, May 23, 2013 12:03:58pm |
HECKLED OVER GITMO… drudge.tw/10Uo2h4— DRUDGE REPORT (@DRUDGE_REPORT) May 23, 2013
109 | stabby Thu, May 23, 2013 12:04:40pm |
re: #107 Charles Johnson
Sadly, that will probably be the Fox News lie.
110 | Lidane Thu, May 23, 2013 12:04:52pm |
I hope the IRS audits all the people making the same “I hope the heckler doesn’t get audited” jokes— Eliot Nelson (@eliotnelson) May 23, 2013
111 | GeneJockey Thu, May 23, 2013 12:04:53pm |
re: #106 stabby
He “led them into a trap” by ignoring them for a long time…
I pointed out to a birther on PJMedia that there was no point in him addressing them while they were covering themselves with shame and hurting their party… He or she pretty much blew a gasket.
Let me guess: some form of the PeeWee Herman Defense - “I know you are, but what am I?”
112 | Vicious Babushka Thu, May 23, 2013 12:05:05pm |
Wingnuts shocked SHOCKED that they were outDerped by Medea Benjamin.
113 | jaunte Thu, May 23, 2013 12:05:13pm |
re: #108 Charles Johnson
“The voice of that woman is worth paying attention to. Obviously I do not agree with much of what she said.”
114 | Kragar Thu, May 23, 2013 12:06:12pm |
115 | Lidane Thu, May 23, 2013 12:06:25pm |
Y’all need to get that shit right. It wasn’t just the GOP that blocked closing GITMO. The senate voted 98-1 to keep it open.— eclecticbrotha (@eclecticbrotha) May 23, 2013
116 | AntonSirius Thu, May 23, 2013 12:09:00pm |
re: #114 Kragar
All that, and their only take away was he got heckled?
[Embedded content]
It’s the only safe thing to mention, until they get a chance to parse out every phrase and twist it beyond all recognition.
117 | AntonSirius Thu, May 23, 2013 12:09:49pm |
I am now pointedly not turning on any cable news channel for their analysis of that speech.
118 | Vicious Babushka Thu, May 23, 2013 12:09:55pm |
Seriously, the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES IS RIGHT NOW SAYING YOU SHOULD LISTEN TO @medeabenjamin— Christopher Hayes (@chrislhayes) May 23, 2013
119 | jaunte Thu, May 23, 2013 12:10:15pm |
RT @lolgop: YOU ORDERED THE CODE PINK // YOU’RE GODDAMN RIGHT I DID
— Imani ABL (@AngryBlackLady) May 23, 2013
120 | GeneJockey Thu, May 23, 2013 12:11:28pm |
re: #117 AntonSirius
I am now pointedly not turning on any cable news channel for their analysis of that speech.
But…but…but…How will you know what to think about the speech without their hard-hitting, expert analysis?
//
121 | NJDhockeyfan Thu, May 23, 2013 12:12:47pm |
Medea Benjamin escorted out of Obama speech
122 | Political Atheist Thu, May 23, 2013 12:15:35pm |
Yup trashed on the left lied about on the right.
DailyKos comment
that [secret, with no accountability] determination?Someone’s bored 19 year old son sitting in a recliner somewhere far from harm’s way? CIA agent under pressure to produce results [maybe for some US corporation] ?
Hey, wait a minute now. I wonder if YOU, are you a known terrorist, or maybe you should be killed just because we thought you MIGHT be one or looked like one or were where one might be if they were well, ummm…..?
Getting an indictment takes too long, plink, there now, you are no longer a problem are you. Plink, plink, oops, sorry for the double tap, those kids should stay off the lawn, and those first responders, well….
Read the diary ? Holder admits that 3 of the Americans were killed by ‘accident.’ Known terrorists my @ss.
Salon:
Letter from Eric Holder and reports on policy shift do little to allay concerns about endless, boundless drone warMove Single Payer Forward? Join 18,000 Doctors of PNHP and 185,000 member National Nurses United
by divineorder on Thu May 23, 2013 at 11:50:10 AM PDT
123 | Dr. Matt Thu, May 23, 2013 12:15:37pm |
re: #121 NJDhockeyfan
Medea Benjamin escorted out of Obama speech
What an annoying wench.
No offense to wenches.
124 | wrenchwench Thu, May 23, 2013 12:16:22pm |
125 | Sol Berdinowitz Thu, May 23, 2013 12:16:34pm |
re: #123 Dr. Matt
What an annoying wench.
No offense to wenches.
Medea whore
/
(not to forget that, I don’t want to hit bottom again)
127 | Bulworth Thu, May 23, 2013 12:20:51pm |
re: #117 AntonSirius
You’re missing a lot of commercials then. /
128 | Feline Fearless Leader Thu, May 23, 2013 12:22:26pm |
re: #117 AntonSirius
I am now pointedly not turning on any cable news channel for their analysis of that speech.
I walked past the lunch room and CNN had already rolled out a GOP rep from Texas. I knew better than to stop and bother listening.
129 | Feline Fearless Leader Thu, May 23, 2013 12:23:30pm |
re: #124 wrenchwench
Watch it, buddy….
You should see if the inverse is true. If you can dodge a ball, you can dodge a wrench…
:D
130 | AntonSirius Thu, May 23, 2013 12:24:11pm |
re: #121 NJDhockeyfan
Medea Benjamin escorted out of Obama speech
[Embedded content]
“Can you tell the Muslim people their lives are as precious as our lives?”
Umm, he did. That was the whole “same standards used for non-citizens as for American enemy combatants” section of the speech you apparently nodded off during, Medea.
131 | Lidane Thu, May 23, 2013 12:24:39pm |
GOPs probly now have to choose btw decrying end of ‘Global War on Terror’ and crocodile tears for al Awlaki talkingpointsmemo.com/news/obama-def…— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) May 23, 2013
132 | Feline Fearless Leader Thu, May 23, 2013 12:25:49pm |
re: #131 Lidane
The Romney Campaign already has that covered. Choose both and support them in separate statements.
133 | Kragar Thu, May 23, 2013 12:29:04pm |
Tony Perkins, Who Called Gays Pawns of the Devil, Says He Is Against ‘Demonizing’ Gays
Perkins said that while GLAAD named him “the most dangerous man in America” he only “speaks from love” about gay people and that he “completely denounce[s] hateful rhetoric, calling people names and demonizing them.”
Of course, GLAAD has never named Perkins “the most dangerous man in America,” and Perkins has quite a record of “demonizing” gays …like the time he called them literal pawns of the Devil.
134 | NJDhockeyfan Thu, May 23, 2013 12:30:14pm |
Obama interrupted by heckler (twice) who wants #Gitmo closed. Ironically, Obama was talking about how he wants Gitmo closed too.— Security Clearance (@natlsecuritycnn) May 23, 2013
135 | chadu Thu, May 23, 2013 12:32:08pm |
re: #62 Eclectic Cyborg
Company I do some work for recently had an incident where, upon realizing his new boss was going to be a Muslim, a guy just up and quit.
WTF? In this economy? Sweet Jebus Haploid Christ.
136 | Backwoods_Sleuth Thu, May 23, 2013 12:32:19pm |
re: #9 erik_t
I’d love to see Obama secretly give an entire Bush speech, word for word, and see how much the usual parties flipped their shit.
no, think more spectacular! A Reagan speech!
137 | NJDhockeyfan Thu, May 23, 2013 12:33:49pm |
Medea Benjamin of Code Pink is the top trend on twitter for speaking truth to power. @codepink— OWS Outreach (@OWSOutreach) May 23, 2013
138 | chadu Thu, May 23, 2013 12:34:12pm |
re: #79 AntonSirius
And then he gives her credit for her passion on the issue.
You have to try really, really hard not to have a lot of respect for our president.
Which is why the Republicans are being nothing getting done in Congress — they’re using up all their spoons on Obama Derangement Syndrome.
139 | Kragar Thu, May 23, 2013 12:34:31pm |
Gohmert IRS speech veers into rant about owls mating ‘like crazy’ on Kmart signs
During a Thursday House floor speech about the Internal Revenue Service’s (IRS) practice of scrutinizing conservative groups, Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-TX) connected the so-called scandal to the idea that owls could mate on Kmart signs.
140 | jaunte Thu, May 23, 2013 12:34:37pm |
Was it OK for Joe Wilson to heckle the president?
— eclecticbrotha (@eclecticbrotha) May 23, 2013
141 | Vicious Babushka Thu, May 23, 2013 12:34:40pm |
@msrock4ever She apparently doesn’t know anything about etiquette or the rules of decorum.— Cecilia Arlene (@SweetTwink73) May 23, 2013
And/OR is ON DRUGS!! @sweettwink73— Joyce Jeffries (@MsRock4Ever) May 23, 2013
142 | bratwurst Thu, May 23, 2013 12:36:18pm |
Gohmert IRS speech veers into rant about owls mating ‘like crazy’ on Kmart signs
Unsurprisingly, this “owls mating on Kmart signs” business is a total rehash of a right wing pro-logging meme from Oregon that has been around for at least 6 years.
143 | Lidane Thu, May 23, 2013 12:36:36pm |
My bad. Code Pink is in fact a roaring success as some ppl follow them on Twitter RT @xpiya 19k followers @codepink I don’t see them failing— Danielle(@DCPlod) May 23, 2013
You want to use Twitter followers as a metric of success? Okay. Code Pink has 19k. @barackobama has 31.8 MILLION. You still fail epically.— Danielle(@DCPlod) May 23, 2013
144 | Jack Burton Thu, May 23, 2013 12:36:53pm |
145 | darthstar Thu, May 23, 2013 12:36:56pm |
I wonder if McCain and Graham make Ayotte wear a Lieberman mask when they hang out.— Kaili Joy Gray (@KailiJoy) May 23, 2013
146 | Lidane Thu, May 23, 2013 12:39:02pm |
Proposed Louisiana law: Give journos $10K fine & jail time for pubbing names of concealed-carry permit holders. ow.ly/lkKq0— Mother Jones (@MotherJones) May 23, 2013
147 | darthstar Thu, May 23, 2013 12:40:35pm |
re: #146 Lidane
2nd Amendment > 1st Amendment, apparently.
148 | Lidane Thu, May 23, 2013 12:43:10pm |
re: #147 darthstar
2nd Amendment > 1st Amendment, apparently.
More like 2nd Amendment > everything else. These people are nuts.
150 | stabby Thu, May 23, 2013 12:43:49pm |
OK, today’s lesson is:
Giving an intelligent speech doesn’t make your audience intelligent.
Also since it was a good speech that laid out a good defense for a lot of policies, no one who relies on right wing media will ever find out what was in the speech.
151 | Kragar Thu, May 23, 2013 12:44:47pm |
Texas GOP Introduced At Least 24 Anti-Abortion Bills This Year, But Not A Single One Advanced
every single anti-abortion bill proposed in Texas this year was successfully blocked before it reached the House or Senate floor. Of course, that wasn’t for lack of trying — altogether, anti-choice lawmakers introduced at least 24 different measures to restrict Texas women’s reproductive rights. Some of those bills even had the backing of key leaders in the state, like Gov. Rick Perry (R) and Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst (R). But Democratic members of the state legislature pushed back, and won.
“Democrats stuck together very well this session and made strong arguments and strong advocacy on behalf of a woman’s right to choose,” state Sen. Kirk Watson (D), the head of Texas’ Democratic caucus, told the Express-News. “Just this week, I’ve had pressure from leadership pushing to bring up bills in an almost threatening way, and we have stood up to that. …Now we’re at the end of the session, and they’re dead.”
152 | Political Atheist Thu, May 23, 2013 12:46:49pm |
re: #147 darthstar
That is a stupid way to deal with that issue. I’d rather just publicly scorn the journos. AFAIK that’s just a way to put us on a Megans list in peoples minds. That kind of personal data should be held to the relevant agencies that enforce the laws. The newspaper reading public has no need to know my stuff.
Plus it helps burglars or worse. Who does or does not have a gun at a particular address usually unoccupied in daytime?
153 | Vicious Babushka Thu, May 23, 2013 12:47:13pm |
@irootsorg @codepink How proud the ranting #asshole is, not listening as PBO addressed everything she ranted about. #p2 #UniteBlue— Pizzaiolo Mike (@PizzaioloMike) May 23, 2013
154 | Bulworth Thu, May 23, 2013 12:48:03pm |
re: #151 Kragar
Focused like a laser beam….Less Government….Freedom
155 | Vicious Babushka Thu, May 23, 2013 12:48:10pm |
I get that @medeabenjamin doesn’t think Obama hasn’t closed GTMO quickly enough. Even President Obama seems to get it. Have a seat, though.— Jamil Smith (@JamilSmith) May 23, 2013
156 | aagcobb Thu, May 23, 2013 12:48:12pm |
re: #136 Backwoods_Sleuth
no, think more spectacular! A Reagan speech!
He could give a Regan speech on nuclear disarmanent, and watch them derp about how he wants to disarm America and surrender to the commie muslims.
157 | Vicious Babushka Thu, May 23, 2013 12:48:30pm |
POTUS: Let’s close Gitmo!Medea: Y U NO CLOSE GITMO. Me: Your face is Gitmo.— Imani ABL (@AngryBlackLady) May 23, 2013
158 | lawhawk Thu, May 23, 2013 12:48:32pm |
re: #151 Kragar
It’s real easy to introduce legislation across the nation in state legislatures. It’s easy to grandstand.
It’s a whole lot harder to get the legislation passed committee, the chamber, and then enacted into legislation that can sustain a constitutional challenge.
You know, actually governing and engaging in the art of politics (which includes compromise instead of the scorched earth tactics that the GOP has adopted across much of the country).
159 | Political Atheist Thu, May 23, 2013 12:50:22pm |
I gotta tweet this somehow…
*Standing Ovation For POTUS*
Wired
While Obama would not declare an end to the war on terrorism, Obama offered to work with Congress to constrain some of his own authorities for waging it, reflecting what he and aides described as a discomfort with permanent executive war powers. He said he was “open” to working with Congress to establish some additional mechanism to oversee the proper targeting of terrorists, such as a court modeled on the secretive one that oversees the surveillance of suspected foreign agents. He also expressed a preference to constrain “and ultimately repeal” the broad latitude of warmaking powers granted in the 2001 Authorization to Use Military Force (AUMF), the legislative wellspring of the war. “This is the moment to ask ourselves hard questions,” Obama said.
160 | NJDhockeyfan Thu, May 23, 2013 12:51:12pm |
We interrupt this blog for an important announcement..
Woohoo! #FREE #Donuts From Krispy Kreme On June 7th for #NationalDonutDay! on.wusa9.com/10TSHLq— wusa9 (@wusa9) May 23, 2013
161 | lawhawk Thu, May 23, 2013 12:51:47pm |
And now the entire conversation re: Gitmo will be not about how there’s a need to close it and deal with the people we’ve been detaining there and finding alternative arrangements, but about how Code Pink and Medea Benjamin are yammering and stammering about how they want it closed.
Which the President already agrees with.
Problem is that no one wants the detainees brought stateside to a domestic confinement facility, and the alternative may mean more renditions and secret facilities in countries that have no respect for rights, as well as deportations to countries that have no interest in taking in the detainees or where the detainees may be among persecuted groups (eg: Uhigurs and China).
162 | Kragar Thu, May 23, 2013 12:53:01pm |
Republican Arizona Rep. claims anti-choice movement ‘arrested Nazi holocaust’
“The pro-life perspective is a growing majority in America,” he added, in video snipped by Right Wing Watch, embedded below. “We are the ones that rushed into eastern Europe and arrested the Nazi holocaust. We are the ones that said no more to slavery after 1,000 years. And, by the grace of God, we’re gonna be the ones that say we’re gonna protect our unborn children.”
He went onto add, “Once they’re born, screw ‘em. Their mother should have kept her legs shut if she didn’t want kids.”
163 | darthstar Thu, May 23, 2013 12:55:45pm |
164 | A Mom Anon Thu, May 23, 2013 12:55:57pm |
Medea Benjamin is an idiot. Code Pink started out as a good idea, women against war. What the hell happened I have no idea. But it’s really fucking tiresome to see them at hearings and speeches and protests interrupting and screaming about shit when they aren’t listening to wtf is going on right in front of them. It makes liberals look like morons and I for one wish they’d go the hell away OR do something that actually helps someone.
165 | Sol Berdinowitz Thu, May 23, 2013 12:59:00pm |
re: #164 A Mom Anon
Medea Benjamin is an idiot. Code Pink started out as a good idea, women against war. What the hell happened I have no idea. But it’s really fucking tiresome to see them at hearings and speeches and protests interrupting and screaming about shit when they aren’t listening to wtf is going on right in front of them. It makes liberals look like morons and I for one wish they’d go the hell away OR do something that actually helps someone.
She does put conservatives into a bit of a quandry…how can they attack Obama without tacity supporting Code Pink or vice-versa?
so bless her pointed little head for that, if nothing else…
166 | Vicious Babushka Thu, May 23, 2013 12:59:02pm |
re: #164 A Mom Anon
Medea Benjamin is an idiot. Code Pink started out as a good idea, women against war. What the hell happened I have no idea. But it’s really fucking tiresome to see them at hearings and speeches and protests interrupting and screaming about shit when they aren’t listening to wtf is going on right in front of them. It makes liberals look like morons and I for one wish they’d go the hell away OR do something that actually helps someone.
Code Pink started out, and still is, a vehicle to enable Medea Benjamin’s Attention addiction.
The rage has been building up since she has been upstaged by the Tea Party and Westboro.
167 | Bulworth Thu, May 23, 2013 12:59:04pm |
We are the ones that said no more to slavery after 1,000 years.
This is Louie-Gohmert-style dumbfackery.
168 | Kragar Thu, May 23, 2013 1:00:16pm |
Saxby Chambliss: “Obama’s Counterterrorism Speech A Victory For Terrorists”
“The President’s speech today will be viewed by terrorists as a victory,” said Chambliss, who recently golfed with the president, in a statement. “Rather than continuing successful counterterrorism activities, we are changing course with no clear operational benefit. We knew five years ago that closing Guantanamo was a bad idea and would not work. Yet, today’s speech sends the message to Guantanamo detainees that if they harass the dedicated military personnel there enough, we will give in and send them home, even to Yemen. With the recidivism rate now at 28% and the increased threat from al Qaeda and its affiliates, including in Yemen, GITMO must stay open for business.”
169 | Bulworth Thu, May 23, 2013 1:00:24pm |
171 | aagcobb Thu, May 23, 2013 1:01:33pm |
Sorry, Star Trek fans, Teleportation is impossible.
172 | Kragar Thu, May 23, 2013 1:01:53pm |
re: #167 Bulworth
This is Louie-Gohmert-style dumbfackery.
Every time you say “That is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard”, another GOP politician will say “I can top that!”
173 | darthstar Thu, May 23, 2013 1:02:14pm |
Kelly Ayotte and Lindsey Graham talking about Gitmo on cspan ( c-span.org )
Ayotte talking about prisoners tunneling out of Yemen with all the effectiveness of an HR person giving a company overview by powerpoint.
174 | Tigger2 Thu, May 23, 2013 1:02:36pm |
re: #40 Kragar
US must mean the crazy right and Religious Right (the same thing), because I don’t worry about it that much, I have real things to worry about.
175 | A Mom Anon Thu, May 23, 2013 1:04:05pm |
re: #168 Kragar
Oh. Well this must be why his office can’t be bothered to get back to me about the program my son is waiting to get into for young adults with autism. It’s been 10 days and no one can seem to tell me how many federal dollars have been cut from the program. That’s all I want to know. More important things to do I see.
I wish I had just one elected official here that actually represented me and my family. It’s depressing.
176 | Bulworth Thu, May 23, 2013 1:04:06pm |
today’s speech sends the message to Guantanamo detainees that if they harass the dedicated military personnel there enough, we will give in and send them home, even to Yemen
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Yeah, I can’t imagine why people locked up without charges thousands of miles away from home and isolated from the world for more than a decade would be mad about anything.
177 | Vicious Babushka Thu, May 23, 2013 1:04:53pm |
re: #176 Bulworth
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Yeah, I can’t imagine why people locked up without charges thousands of miles away from home and isolated from the world for more than a decade would be mad about anything.
Let’s ask the women in Cleveland about that.
178 | Kragar Thu, May 23, 2013 1:05:14pm |
re: #171 aagcobb
Sorry, Star Trek fans, Teleportation is impossible.
As long as you don’t mind the original you being destroyed, and a replica you being created and living your life, I don’t see the problem.
179 | Targetpractice Thu, May 23, 2013 1:07:17pm |
re: #176 Bulworth
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Yeah, I can’t imagine why people locked up without charges thousands of miles away from home and isolated from the world for more than a decade would be mad about anything.
Which is pretty much what they’re arguing now: “We can’t allow these people out of Gitmo because we’ve radicalized them, given them every reason to hate us. So now we have no choice but to keep them locked up for the rest of their lives, else they’ll take up arms against us.”
180 | Mattand Thu, May 23, 2013 1:15:27pm |
re: #160 NJDhockeyfan
We interrupt this blog for an important announcement..
Just what Americans need: more excuses to eat junk food.
181 | AntonSirius Thu, May 23, 2013 1:16:22pm |
re: #144 Jack Burton
Oh please for the love of…
Not the “Speak truth to power” yammering again.
You don’t get points for ‘speaking truth to power’ when the power in question addressed your concerns ten minutes beforehand in his speech.
It’d be like heckling JFK to ask him what you could do for your country, or heckling Reagan to ask him when he was going to do something about the Berlin Wall.
182 | Kragar Thu, May 23, 2013 1:16:25pm |
re: #180 Mattand
Just what Americans need: more excuses to eat junk food.
Just stuff it in your mouth, enjoy all the flavor, then spit it out.
183 | sagehen Thu, May 23, 2013 1:17:25pm |
re: #156 aagcobb
He could give a Regan speech on nuclear disarmanent, and watch them derp about how he wants to disarm America and surrender to the commie muslims.
That’s actually not theoretical… that’s what happened with the START II treaty… all the former Secs of State for the last 30 years except Condi (R & D, *all* of them), and GHWB, came out publicly in support of the treaty, urging ratification, some lame duck Republicans were persuaded to vote for it, and it barely squeaked through. The Tea Party howled in despair.
184 | Decatur Deb Thu, May 23, 2013 1:18:23pm |
re: #162 Kragar
“The pro-life perspective is a growing majority in America,” he added, in video snipped by Right Wing Watch, embedded below. “We are the ones that rushed into eastern Europe and arrested the Nazi holocaust. We are the ones that said no more to slavery after 1,000 years… “
He can’t decide whether the anti-choicers are Marshal Zhukov or Gen Sherman?
185 | aagcobb Thu, May 23, 2013 1:18:44pm |
re: #178 Kragar
As long as you don’t mind the original you being destroyed, and a replica you being created and living your life, I don’t see the problem.
That’s the question; if the replica had all of your memories, is it you?
186 | HappyWarrior Thu, May 23, 2013 1:19:39pm |
re: #183 sagehen
That’s actually not theoretical… that’s what happened with the START II treaty… all the former Secs of State for the last 30 years except Condi (R & D, *all* of them), and GHWB, came out publicly in support of the treaty, urging ratification, some lame duck Republicans were persuaded to vote for it, and it barely squeaked through. The Tea Party howled in despair.
I am just glad we’re not in the Cold War anymore because if Obama had repeated the Reagan strategy of actually engaging with a Soviet leader, it would be the “proof” that he’s actually a sekrit commie. I’m convinced because of your example and countless others that Obama could emulate Reagan action for action and they’d still complain. They don’t give a shit. All they care about is bitching because they can’t stand the fact that the Democrats have outsmarted them in presidential politics.
187 | First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Thu, May 23, 2013 1:19:43pm |
re: #132 Feline Fearless Leader
The Romney Campaign already has that covered. Choose both and support them in separate statements.
Importantly, you must subsequently deny at various times never having supported either or both, and then be prepared to claim having always supported either or both.
188 | Lidane Thu, May 23, 2013 1:20:43pm |
re: #185 aagcobb
That’s the question; if the replica had all of your memories, is it you?
Where’s Deckard? He might know the answer to that.
189 | HappyWarrior Thu, May 23, 2013 1:20:51pm |
re: #184 Decatur Deb
“The pro-life perspective is a growing majority in America,” he added, in video snipped by Right Wing Watch, embedded below. “We are the ones that rushed into eastern Europe and arrested the Nazi holocaust. We are the ones that said no more to slavery after 1,000 years… “
He can’t decide whether the anti-choicers are Marshal Zhukov or Gen Sherman?
Yeah, we weren’t in Poland, the Balkans, etc outside some OSS agents so I don’t know what the fuck he’s talking about. All I see is another right wing nutjob trying to equate abortion with the Holocaust.
190 | aagcobb Thu, May 23, 2013 1:21:24pm |
re: #187 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce
Importantly, you must subsequently deny at various times never having supported either or both, and then be prepared to claim having always supported either or both.
Romney’s big problem was that its hard to pull that off when all your previous speeches are available on youtube.
191 | Decatur Deb Thu, May 23, 2013 1:22:04pm |
re: #189 HappyWarrior
Yeah, we weren’t in Poland, the Balkans, etc outside some OSS agents so I don’t know what the fuck he’s talking about. All I see is another right wing nutjob trying to equate abortion with the Holocaust.
My Alabama neighbors would have a hard time identifying with either.
192 | AntonSirius Thu, May 23, 2013 1:22:07pm |
re: #165 Sol Berdinowitz
.how can they attack Obama without tacity supporting Code Pink or vice-versa?
That’s easy. Code Pink is a false flag operation.
193 | ProTARDISLiberal Thu, May 23, 2013 1:22:07pm |
re: #21 stabby
That was the most transparent and necessary slam on Pakistan I have ever seen.
194 | NJDhockeyfan Thu, May 23, 2013 1:22:27pm |
195 | Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi Thu, May 23, 2013 1:24:16pm |
re: #178 Kragar
As long as you don’t mind the original you being destroyed, and a replica you being created and living your life, I don’t see the problem.
For all you know, that’s happened already, assuming your replica would also get all your memories.
The problem is the amount of storage space and bandwidth needed to store and transmit the complete quantum state and position of every single atom in your body.
196 | Lidane Thu, May 23, 2013 1:24:40pm |
“Nobody move, I’ve dropped my nuts” twitter.com/Fascinatingpic…— Fascinating Pictures (@Fascinatingpics) May 23, 2013
197 | AntonSirius Thu, May 23, 2013 1:25:04pm |
re: #178 Kragar
As long as you don’t mind the original you being destroyed, and a replica you being created and living your life, I don’t see the problem.
Hey now, spoiler warning. Some people may not have seen The Prestige.
Oops.
199 | First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Thu, May 23, 2013 1:28:09pm |
re: #139 Kragar
Gohmert IRS speech veers into rant about owls mating ‘like crazy’ on Kmart signs
I bet most professional writers have “Gohmert speech veers into rant” set up as an auto-completion macro or something.
Sort of like how they have their spell check set up to replace “incoherent lunatic” with “Tea Party favorite”.
200 | Eventual Carrion Thu, May 23, 2013 1:32:30pm |
re: #152 Political Atheist
That is a stupid way to deal with that issue. I’d rather just publicly scorn the journos. AFAIK that’s just a way to put us on a Megans list in peoples minds. That kind of personal data should be held to the relevant agencies that enforce the laws. The newspaper reading public has no need to know my stuff.
Plus it helps burglars or worse. Who does or does not have a gun at a particular address usually unoccupied in daytime?
Here in PA you can still have guns but not have a concealed carry permit. I have had guns in my house my entire life in PA and never got a CCP. If I take them anywhere for target practice or hunting they just can’t be loaded during the transport.
201 | Decatur Deb Thu, May 23, 2013 1:33:06pm |
re: #192 AntonSirius
That’s easy. Code Pink is a
falsefuchsia flag operation.
202 | Lidane Thu, May 23, 2013 1:33:06pm |
Boy Scouts: Gays okay. Treehuggers not so much. bit.ly/11ZNrZT— Mother Jones (@MotherJones) May 23, 2013
203 | jaunte Thu, May 23, 2013 1:36:14pm |
“Operation Swill” Results:
Caramel-Colored Rubbing Alcohol Sold as Scotch
“Onerous government regulation” in action.
204 | Feline Fearless Leader Thu, May 23, 2013 1:38:51pm |
re: #185 aagcobb
That’s the question; if the replica had all of your memories, is it you?
But what if they make more than one replica. Which one is you?
205 | Eclectic Cyborg Thu, May 23, 2013 1:39:03pm |
The healthcare system in this country is fucked. Truly fucked.
My mother-in-law takes EXTREMELY important blood pressure medication. She recently switched insurers. She needs the medication daily but this stupid insurance company says they will only cover 35 pills over 45 days.
Yes you read that right, my MIL is apparently expected to play russian roulette with her health for 10 days every month or so.
I swear Health Insurers are professional bullshit artists. The power they hold is truly scary.
206 | Political Atheist Thu, May 23, 2013 1:39:56pm |
re: #205 Eclectic Cyborg
The actual death panels.
207 | First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Thu, May 23, 2013 1:40:11pm |
re: #171 aagcobb
Sorry, Star Trek fans, Teleportation is impossible.
Not that I necessarily disagree with the idea that teleportation is impossible, but I always get a kick out of scientists who insist on making assertions about the limitations of data storage, processing speed, and information bandwidth of the computer systems of 400 years in the future.
208 | engineer cat Thu, May 23, 2013 1:40:16pm |
re: #202 Lidane
Boy Scouts: Gays okay. Treehuggers not so much
the boy scouts were founded in 1910 as a way to introduce america’s children to divisive politics at an early age
209 | Sol Berdinowitz Thu, May 23, 2013 1:41:28pm |
re: #205 Eclectic Cyborg
My sister and brother-in-law, hard-working, home-owning, middle-class, salt-of-the-earth, church-going, Fox News-viewing middle Americans, went bankrupt last year over healthcare expenses (sister had a bout with cancer, bro-in-law was in a car accident).
Both are recovered, but it left them bankrupt.
That is f*ing sick.
210 | darthstar Thu, May 23, 2013 1:44:01pm |
re: #203 jaunte
“Operation Swill” Results:
Caramel-Colored Rubbing Alcohol Sold as Scotch“Onerous government regulation” in action.
Who wants to drink in New Jersey?
211 | darthstar Thu, May 23, 2013 1:46:07pm |
Oh shit…I’m an “external cause”
212 | Feline Fearless Leader Thu, May 23, 2013 1:46:31pm |
heh. Boehner says Obama not knowing about IRS scandal is “inconceivable”.
He keeps using that word. I don’t think it means what he think it means.
213 | Feline Fearless Leader Thu, May 23, 2013 1:47:43pm |
re: #211 darthstar
Oh shit…I’m an “external cause”
If we didn’t eat them they would grow into giant humungous lobsters and become a threat to the entire Eastern Seaboard and America until they were harpooned.
214 | darthstar Thu, May 23, 2013 1:48:33pm |
re: #213 Feline Fearless Leader
If we didn’t eat them they would grow into giant humungous lobsters and become a threat to the entire Eastern Seaboard and America until they were harpooned.
Nah…you just have to put rubber bands around their claws and they’re harmless.
215 | darthstar Thu, May 23, 2013 1:49:06pm |
re: #214 darthstar
Nah…you just have to put rubber bands around their claws and they’re harmless.
Though apparently that doesn’t stop them from fucking.
216 | GeneJockey Thu, May 23, 2013 1:49:31pm |
217 | Bubblehead II Thu, May 23, 2013 1:49:59pm |
Someone posted earlier about getting a robocall asking for donations for Oklahoma disaster relief (just push 1) and was wondering if it was a scam. Consensus was that it was. Well here is a PSA about it.
An unnamed organization is conducting a robo-call asking for funds to donate towards disaster relief. The pitch specifically mentioned the American Red Cross and the Salvation Army.
The call came from [no phone numbers allowed]. The number gives you the option of pressing one to donate.
We spoke with the local Salvation Army and the agency does not call or email asking for donations.
“Unfortunately we’re a large organization with a good rapport and that’s unfortunate only in the sense that people try to abuse that and people try to go on the good graces of our donors and try to exploit them,” adds Capt. Marcos Marquez, Salvation Army.
Edit. Since the telephone # can’t be displayed click on the link and write it down and leave it by your phone/caller ID unit so that if it shows up, you know it is a scam call
218 | darthstar Thu, May 23, 2013 1:50:00pm |
219 | darthstar Thu, May 23, 2013 1:50:24pm |
re: #216 GeneJockey
Who, in New Jersey, DOESN’T want to drink?
I should have said, “Who goes to New Jersey to drink?”
220 | Decatur Deb Thu, May 23, 2013 1:51:29pm |
re: #213 Feline Fearless Leader
If we didn’t eat them they would grow into giant humungous lobsters and become a threat to the entire Eastern Seaboard and America until they were harpooned.
Then they become land-mobile, there’s a 1959 documentary on that:
221 | darthstar Thu, May 23, 2013 1:51:37pm |
@political_bill @politicususa Ah, so she was a plant! #tinfoil #GOP #scandal #codepinkgate— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) May 23, 2013
222 | darthstar Thu, May 23, 2013 1:52:56pm |
re: #220 Decatur Deb
Then they become land-mobile, there’s a 1959 documentary on that:
I love those old documentaries…it’s amazing we survived the fifties.
224 | Decatur Deb Thu, May 23, 2013 1:54:18pm |
re: #222 darthstar
I love those old documentaries…it’s amazing we survived the fifties.
This was the worst of them—the monster only appeared as the shadow of a hand-held lobster.
225 | AlexRogan Thu, May 23, 2013 1:55:41pm |
re: #221 darthstar
@political_bill @politicususa Ah, so she was a plant! #tinfoil #GOP #scandal #codepinkgate
— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) May 23, 2013
“I thought they called people like [that] a ‘fruit’?”
/Clue
226 | Lidane Thu, May 23, 2013 1:56:48pm |
Sad trombone: @remember_1986’s anti-immigration rally in WA draws five people. yakimaherald.com/news/latestloc…— Gabe Ortíz (@TUSK81) May 23, 2013
227 | NJDhockeyfan Thu, May 23, 2013 1:58:39pm |
re: #225 AlexRogan
“I thought they called people like [that] a ‘fruit’?”
/Clue
‘She’s a nut!’
~ Barney Fife
229 | erik_t Thu, May 23, 2013 1:59:55pm |
re: #226 Lidane
Not five. “About five”. What, was it too much effort to count?
230 | Decatur Deb Thu, May 23, 2013 2:00:31pm |
re: #217 Bubblehead II
Someone posted earlier about getting a robocall asking for donations for Oklahoma disaster relief (just push 1) and was wondering if it was a scam. Consensus was that it was. Well here is a PSA about it.
An unnamed organization is conducting a robo-call asking for funds to donate towards disaster relief. The pitch specifically mentioned the American Red Cross and the Salvation Army.
The call came from [no phone numbers allowed]. The number gives you the option of pressing one to donate.
We spoke with the local Salvation Army and the agency does not call or email asking for donations.
“Unfortunately we’re a large organization with a good rapport and that’s unfortunate only in the sense that people try to abuse that and people try to go on the good graces of our donors and try to exploit them,” adds Capt. Marcos Marquez, Salvation Army.
That’s Idaho and Alabama, then. Bastards.
231 | HappyWarrior Thu, May 23, 2013 2:00:45pm |
re: #226 Lidane
Haha my buddy’s group at open mic last night drew more than that.
232 | Joanne Thu, May 23, 2013 2:01:47pm |
re: #221 darthstar
Nah, just another dumbass who doesn’t have the first bloody clue about how government functions.
Seriously, when did they stop teaching Civics? Obama signed an Exec Order but has no funding to move these people. Congress refuses to fund it. I suppose Code Pink wants him to don a Superman suit and personally flap his arms and fly these folks out of there.
233 | darthstar Thu, May 23, 2013 2:03:43pm |
re: #229 erik_t
Not five. “About five”. What, was it too much effort to count?
It’s a scientific fact: You can only count as high as four when you have one finger up your nose.
234 | HappyWarrior Thu, May 23, 2013 2:04:05pm |
re: #232 Joanne
Nah, just another dumbass who doesn’t have the first bloody clue about how government functions.
Seriously, when did they stop teaching Civics? Obama signed an Exec Order but has no funding to move these people. Congress refuses to fund it. I suppose Code Pink wants him to don a Superman suit and personally flap his arms and fly these folks out of there.
I’ve observed that partisans tend to have an unrealistic view of how government actually works. Then again, these were probably the people making pit farts during the “How a Bill becomes a Law” part of Civics class.
235 | dragonath Thu, May 23, 2013 2:04:38pm |
re: #202 Lidane
God, I can’t believe there’s someone at that page defending that. It’s irrational, impractical, and absolutist.
It’s like every goddamn issue in this country. Corruption is conflated with terms like capitalism and/or freedom and it’s supposedly one’s prerogative to do so.
236 | Feline Fearless Leader Thu, May 23, 2013 2:06:06pm |
re: #233 darthstar
It’s a scientific fact: You can only count as high as four when you have one finger up your nose.
Fifteen if you use binary.
;)
237 | Lidane Thu, May 23, 2013 2:09:01pm |
GOP Senator: Obama speech ‘will be viewed by terrorists as a victory’ thkpr.gs/10UE6iB— ThinkProgress (@thinkprogress) May 23, 2013
239 | Ming Thu, May 23, 2013 2:09:52pm |
re: #9 erik_t
I’d love to see Obama secretly give an entire Bush speech, word for word, and see how much the usual parties flipped their shit.
You make a very good point. Regarding “The United States is not at war with Islam.”, George W. Bush publicly met with Muslim leaders very soon after 9/11, I think within 1 or 2 days. We take right-wing rage for granted now, but it’s amazing how much the Republican Party has changed in recent years, and not for the better.
241 | Decatur Deb Thu, May 23, 2013 2:10:31pm |
242 | Decatur Deb Thu, May 23, 2013 2:12:14pm |
re: #217 Bubblehead II
Called it in to the local TV, giving them the Idaho station reference. Might put a crimp in it.
243 | NJDhockeyfan Thu, May 23, 2013 2:13:24pm |
IRS Source: Lerner Placed On Administrative Leave
Lois Lerner, the Internal Revenue Service’s director of exempt organizations, has been placed on administrative leave, according to a source in the agency’s Cincinnati office.
Lerner on Thursday afternoon sent an e-mail to employees in the exempt organizations division she oversees stating, “Due to the events of recent days, I am on administrative leave starting today. An announcement will be made shortly informing you who will be acting while I am on administrative leave. I know all of you will continue to support EO’s mission during these difficult times.” She concluded, “I thank you for all your hard work and dedication,” adding, “The work you do is important.”
244 | bratwurst Thu, May 23, 2013 2:13:54pm |
re: #237 Lidane
Jeremy Scahill and Glenn Greenwald are up in arms as well…guess that means it was a balanced speech!
245 | simoom Thu, May 23, 2013 2:14:48pm |
Washington press sees someone using fake press credentials to get through security and near the President; doesn’t inform anyone:
That was Code Pink’s Medea Benjamin, saw her in line on way in. Don’t get how they miss her.— Ryan J. Reilly (@ryanjreilly) May 23, 2013
amazing how Medea Benjamin of @codepink gets in to all these speeches. every reporter in Washington recognises her, but security never does— Anna Fifield (@annafifield) May 23, 2013
A photographer who waited in line near Benjamin saw her wearing a bright green press pass like those handed out to the rest of the media at the event, “Susan Benjamin” — her given name — written in ink.
246 | Decatur Deb Thu, May 23, 2013 2:16:31pm |
re: #245 simoom
Washington press sees someone using fake press credentials to get through security and near the President; doesn’t inform anyone:
Can she be charged with “Impersonating a Sane”?
247 | engineer cat Thu, May 23, 2013 2:16:53pm |
GOP Senator: Obama speech ‘will be viewed by terrorists
apparently sen chambliss has been appointed spokesperson for muslim terrorist organizations
248 | First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Thu, May 23, 2013 2:17:56pm |
durr
Obama’s plan to regain an image of competence was a speech at a secure location, which was infiltrated and derailed by a well-known heckler.— Rep. Steve Stockman (@SteveWorks4You) May 23, 2013
249 | Gus Thu, May 23, 2013 2:18:09pm |
re: #237 Lidane
I could have sworn that “victory for the terrorists” would involve the complete withdrawal of any and all US and NATO forces from the Middle East, South Asia, and North Africa.
[Scratches head.]
250 | darthstar Thu, May 23, 2013 2:18:57pm |
Hey LAAADYYY! Jerry Lewis is getting old…and stupid.
251 | Bubblehead II Thu, May 23, 2013 2:19:56pm |
re: #242 Decatur Deb
Called it in to the local TV, giving them the Idaho station reference. Might put a crimp in it.
Good Idea. The sooner the word gets spread, the quicker these (particular) fucks can be shut down.
252 | simoom Thu, May 23, 2013 2:20:36pm |
re: #248 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce
Wow… so Rep. Stockman has sunk to rooting for breeches of presidential security.
253 | darthstar Thu, May 23, 2013 2:20:54pm |
re: #250 darthstar
Hey LAAADYYY! Jerry Lewis is getting old…and stupid.
Oh, wow…they’re having a sale at jockstrap central. Joemygod’s site is always so informative.
255 | Gus Thu, May 23, 2013 2:24:49pm |
256 | erik_t Thu, May 23, 2013 2:24:52pm |
re: #248 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce
durr
Obama’s plan to regain an image of competence was a speech at a secure location, which was infiltrated and derailed by a well-known heckler.
Does he mean the floor of the US House of Representatives?
257 | AlexRogan Thu, May 23, 2013 2:26:18pm |
re: #245 simoom
Washington press sees someone using fake press credentials to get through security and near the President; doesn’t inform anyone:
Of course the press isn’t gonna say anything to security/the Secret Service about Benjamin crashing the presser, because her getting in and doing her thing gives them a more interesting story (and higher ratings/views/sales).
258 | Kragar Thu, May 23, 2013 2:27:32pm |
Hillman: God Might Destroy America for Tolerating Gays
Os Hillman has recently been writing about how conservatives can make overtures to their Satanic gay friends and even bring about a “reduction in the gay population.” Today in a Charisma column titled “4 Questions to Consider in Response to the Gay Agenda,” he warned that America may soon face divine punishment for tolerating gay people.
He said that tolerance has become a “cultural idol” and its own “god,” which has allowed a “liberal and unholy leadership to rise in power.” Hillman fears that a divine “day of reckoning” is imminent and that God may soon destroy America just as he commissioned the Israelites to wipe out the Amorites.
So God is going to command the Israelis to attack the US?
259 | theheat Thu, May 23, 2013 2:29:01pm |
re: #258 Kragar
God needs to stop building gay babies. Problem solved. //
260 | HappyWarrior Thu, May 23, 2013 2:30:12pm |
re: #258 Kragar
Hillman: God Might Destroy America for Tolerating Gays
So God is going to command the Israelis to attack the US?
God will destroy America for tolerating gays but God will be just fine with America have legalized slavery from 1619-1865. Yeah………..try again chief but you failed big time. Seriously what the fuck is wrong with these people. If this is what God is, I am frankly glad I am agnostic.
261 | HappyWarrior Thu, May 23, 2013 2:30:36pm |
re: #259 theheat
God needs to stop building gay babies. Problem solved. //
He can’t help himself. They’re fabulous.//
262 | Gus Thu, May 23, 2013 2:31:03pm |
Ah drove today finally. [I always scare my passengers. I think it’s the flat medium grey helmet with skull and crossbones painted in with magic marker. //]
263 | Gus Thu, May 23, 2013 2:31:46pm |
re: #258 Kragar
Hillman: God Might Destroy America for Tolerating Gays
So God is going to command the Israelis to attack the US?
Yet God didn’t destroy America for tolerating Jim Crow laws. Hmmm, maybe “God like Jim Crow laws?” //
264 | darthstar Thu, May 23, 2013 2:33:58pm |
OMG! Pres Obama’s prom picture proves, beyond shadow of doubt, he was once a blah teenager! OMG! ;) @hardball— 21c | POLITICS (@Political_Bill) May 23, 2013
265 | Bubblehead II Thu, May 23, 2013 2:35:09pm |
re: #246 Decatur Deb
re: #245 simoom
re: #248 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce
Maybe it is just me, But for some reason I think The President, Security and the Secret Service knows that she is there and willingly let her in. They know her and just exactly what she is going pull when she shows up. The Pres knows how to handle her. He comes out looking classy, she looks like an idiot. The best part about it is that she only has herself to blame. The only way for it to be any better is if Orly was to show up as well and start screaching about his Nirth Certificate.
266 | Eclectic Cyborg Thu, May 23, 2013 2:35:20pm |
re: #258 Kragar
Hillman: God Might Destroy America for Tolerating Gays
So God is going to command the Israelis to attack the US?
“I command thee to walk around the perimeter of San Francisco once a day for six days, then on the seventh day, walk around seven times…”
267 | Eclectic Cyborg Thu, May 23, 2013 2:35:57pm |
Also, I must say, I loved Obama’s rip on “Mission Accomplished” during his speech. That was beautiful.
268 | darthstar Thu, May 23, 2013 2:37:16pm |
re: #266 Eclectic Cyborg
“I command thee to walk around the perimeter of San Francisco once a day for six days, then on the seventh day, walk around seven times…”
269 | Kragar Thu, May 23, 2013 2:38:11pm |
re: #266 Eclectic Cyborg
“I command thee to walk around the perimeter of San Francisco once a day for six days, then on the seventh day, walk around seven times…”
You would never imagine the amount of open hostility I received one time about simply bring up the use of miners and sappers at the siege of Jericho.
270 | dragonath Thu, May 23, 2013 2:40:46pm |
Introducing the Apple iBBQ
271 | darthstar Thu, May 23, 2013 2:43:25pm |
272 | Political Atheist Thu, May 23, 2013 2:45:49pm |
273 | Bubblehead II Thu, May 23, 2013 2:46:40pm |
So, did anybody know that Equador has a satellie in orbit?
Ecuador Pegasus satellite fears over space debris crash
The nano-satellite, called Pegasus, was launched from the Jiuquan spaceport in China less than a month ago.
274 | Lidane Thu, May 23, 2013 2:47:33pm |
re: #249 Gus
I could have sworn that “victory for the terrorists” would involve the complete withdrawal of any and all US and NATO forces from the Middle East, South Asia, and North Africa.
[Scratches head.]
Nope. Victory for the terrorists involves legalizing gay marriage, chemtrails, and Agenda 21.
275 | Charles Johnson Thu, May 23, 2013 2:47:38pm |
Every time there’s an incident of radical Islamist terrorism, we have a certain crew of people who show up just to rant about the cultural superiority of non-Muslims.
It gets pretty fucking old.
276 | HappyWarrior Thu, May 23, 2013 2:49:02pm |
re: #275 Charles Johnson
Every time there’s an incident of radical Islamist terrorism, we have a certain crew of people who show up just to rant about the cultural superiority of non-Muslims.
It gets pretty fucking old.
or the lame “religious of peace” thing. Some people want to use every tragedy as an excuse to justify their bigotry and it’s just fucked up. Most of these people of course don’t know a Sikh from a Muslim but they just hear Muslim and they think EVIL even though a large fraction of the world is in fact Muslim.
277 | Kragar Thu, May 23, 2013 2:49:46pm |
Finally got the Insta-set I needed for my latest project, so much easier now.
278 | Kragar Thu, May 23, 2013 2:50:45pm |
re: #275 Charles Johnson
Every time there’s an incident of radical Islamist terrorism, we have a certain crew of people who show up just to rant about the cultural superiority of non-Muslims.
It gets pretty fucking old.
White Supremacy dogma faces one major flaw.
Have you ever seen your average white supremacist?
279 | HappyWarrior Thu, May 23, 2013 2:52:33pm |
re: #278 Kragar
White Supremacy dogma faces one major flaw.
Have you ever seen your average white supremacist?
Yeah you see these motherfuckers go on and on about how “superior” the white race is. I’ll gladly take multiculturalism and then some over their pasty bitter ass.
280 | Bubblehead II Thu, May 23, 2013 2:56:13pm |
re: #275 Charles Johnson
Every time there’s an incident of radical Islamist terrorism, we have a certain crew of people who show up just to rant about the
cultural racial superiority of non-Muslims.It
getsgotten pretty fucking old.
ftfy. It’s been old since about 2007-2009 exodious.
They just can’t seem to get over it.
281 | Eclectic Cyborg Thu, May 23, 2013 2:56:17pm |
re: #275 Charles Johnson
Every time there’s an incident of radical Islamist terrorism, we have a certain crew of people who show up just to rant about the cultural superiority of non-Muslims.
It gets pretty fucking old.
And on that note I’m going to bust out a rant I’ve had in my head all day.
Radicalized, violent people are never, ever a good thing NO MATTER their roots. Whether it be Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist, Syrian, Japanese, Chechen, Congolese, etc. A Terrorist is a TERRORIST, period.
I despise militant Islam, I despise militant Christianity, I despise militant Judaism. Terrorism in ALL FORMS is something to be condemned by decent human beings who only want to live peacefully and in freedom.
To pretend that terrorism is only limited to Islam or that all all Muslims are violent jihadis is a useless, overly generalizing waste of time. Christians and Muslims are the two largest religious groups on the planet, it stands to reason most terrorists who use religion as justification for their actions would come from these two groups.
But that still does not justify labeling every member of these groups as a terrorist.
That’s an interesting contrast with the RWNJs. There are different levels of Christians but every single Muslim is a bloodthirsty terrorist. Hmmm…
282 | A Mom Anon Thu, May 23, 2013 3:02:20pm |
re: #281 Eclectic Cyborg
The problem is fundamentalists of all stripes. Religion is just the handiest excuse they use to hide behind.
283 | HappyWarrior Thu, May 23, 2013 3:03:41pm |
re: #282 A Mom Anon
The problem is fundamentalists of all stripes. Religion is just the handiest excuse they use to hide behind.
Good observation and so true. If they weren’t fundamentalist zealots about religion, they’d find another outlet. Religion just works best sicne it’s so easy to use.
284 | sattv4u2 Thu, May 23, 2013 3:06:03pm |
re: #283 HappyWarrior
Good observation and so true. If they weren’t fundamentalist zealots about religion, they’d find another outlet. Religion just works best sicne it’s so easy to ABuse.
ftfy
285 | wrenchwench Thu, May 23, 2013 3:06:25pm |
re: #280 Bubblehead II
ftfy. It’s been old since about 2007-2009 exodious.
If that’s not a word, it should be.
286 | Bubblehead II Thu, May 23, 2013 3:07:56pm |
re: #281 Eclectic Cyborg
I believe it is called tribalism on a macro scale. On the smaller scale. Clanism(?). IE, my clan (family) is better than your clan (family) Hell we see it every day, But how many of us actually realize what is going on? I love my Wife/Husband, but His/Her family is a bunch of (insert adjective) here.
Look closer to home before you look further. The disease is built in. It is a condition of the Human culture
Just my 2 cents worth.
287 | Eclectic Cyborg Thu, May 23, 2013 3:09:55pm |
Curious observation: Why have the Featured Pages not changed in awhile?
288 | Bubblehead II Thu, May 23, 2013 3:10:11pm |
re: #285 wrenchwench
If that’s not a word, it should be.
So spell check failed me and I was to damn lazy to get the WM dictionary out. Thus is life. Find your new laptop yet?
290 | darthstar Thu, May 23, 2013 3:12:28pm |
What’s another six weeks when he’s got a lifetime of jail to look forward to?
The Zimmerman defense has just asked for a 6-week trial delay. Our legal experts weighing in on motivation right now #PoliticsNation— PoliticsNation (@PoliticsNation) May 23, 2013
291 | wrenchwench Thu, May 23, 2013 3:13:35pm |
292 | SidewaysQuark Thu, May 23, 2013 3:15:19pm |
re: #282 A Mom Anon
The problem is fundamentalists of all stripes. Religion is just the handiest excuse they use to hide behind.
Some religions produce more violent fundamentalists than others, though, and it might be prudent to acknowledge that elephant in the room and explore why it’s there, so the problem can be handled in a rational manner that preserves the individual rights of all, rather than in the reactionary manner that it would otherwise inevitably be handled by fringe groups.
293 | darthstar Thu, May 23, 2013 3:15:56pm |
Someone’s huffing spray paint again…
Friday before Memorial Day will O fire Holder,call for indep. prosec for DOJ. H criminalizes reporting, affidavit had lies (flight risk?!)— Jennifer Rubin (@JRubinBlogger) May 23, 2013
294 | wrenchwench Thu, May 23, 2013 3:17:01pm |
re: #289 Kragar
Dio break, needs to be done
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I wasted so much of my youth listening to the Rod Stewart/Faces version.
295 | Vicious Babushka Thu, May 23, 2013 3:20:13pm |
re: #246 Decatur Deb
Can she be charged with “Impersonating a Sane”?
They didn’t recognize her with her mouth closed.
296 | Targetpractice Thu, May 23, 2013 3:23:12pm |
McCain and Levin call on IRS to suspend Lerner, IRS proceeds to put her on administrative leave. McCain quoted as saying “I should’ve asked for a pony too!”
297 | A Mom Anon Thu, May 23, 2013 3:23:19pm |
re: #292 SidewaysQuark
Keeping people in abject poverty and perpetual war is part of the problem, IMO. Terrorism has less of a chance to fester and grow if people are educated and have some sort of a shot at creating stable homes and families. I don’t think it’s possible to eradicate terrorism entirely, but if people have something to fight for(as in a stable community, safe schools, decent basic infrastructure, access to a healthy food supply,etc) rather than to fight against(“western civilization”,other nations invading theirs, or leaders who use fear and hatred to control the people-with promises of a way out of poverty),terrorist groups have less of a chance to take hold.
History tells us that no religion is immune to abuse in these ways. Fear of The Other is a very common tactic and it works best on people who have lost hope of anything getting better.
298 | darthstar Thu, May 23, 2013 3:23:35pm |
Tesla repays government loan, Republicans sniff dailykos.com/story/2013/05/…— Markos Moulitsas (@markos) May 23, 2013
299 | Kragar Thu, May 23, 2013 3:23:41pm |
re: #294 wrenchwench
I wasted so much of my youth listening to the Rod Stewart/Faces version.
Well someone is a Rod Stewart fan, so that means…
More Dio
300 | Lidane Thu, May 23, 2013 3:24:02pm |
Fire up the ZOMG OUTRAGE machine:
Details: Boy Scouts vote to lift ban on gay youths nbcnews.to/130FUpi— NBC News (@NBCNews) May 23, 2013
301 | darthstar Thu, May 23, 2013 3:24:19pm |
re: #296 Targetpractice
McCain and Levin call on IRS to suspend Lerner, IRS proceeds to put her on administrative leave. McCain quoted as saying “I should’ve asked for a pony too!”
McCain was trying to be FIRST! but the admin leave was already a decision before he made his demand.
302 | Targetpractice Thu, May 23, 2013 3:25:08pm |
re: #300 Lidane
Fire up the ZOMG OUTRAGE machine:
Countdown to Fischer blowing a blood vessel in 3…2…1…
303 | SidewaysQuark Thu, May 23, 2013 3:25:14pm |
re: #297 A Mom Anon
History tells us that no religion is immune to abuse in these ways. Fear of The Other is a very common tactic and it works best on people who have lost hope of anything getting better.
Of course. That’s why it’s good to explore the reasons to determine the source of the abuse and fix it. Beats hiding one’s head in the sand and pretending the abuse doesn’t exist.
304 | GeneJockey Thu, May 23, 2013 3:25:49pm |
re: #281 Eclectic Cyborg
There are different levels of Christians but every single Muslim is a bloodthirsty terrorist. Hmmm…
It’s the ‘No True Scotsman’ fallacy in both cases - “No TRUE Christian is a terrorist” and “No TRUE Muslim ISN’T a terrorist”.
305 | sattv4u2 Thu, May 23, 2013 3:27:41pm |
re: #297 A Mom Anon
Terrorism has less of a chance to fester and grow if people are educated and have some sort of a shot at creating stable homes and families
And then you have the Bin Ladens of the world. Someone who came not from poverty, but a family of some renown and wealth
Yes, poverty, ignorance and the ravages of war play “a” part, but many peoples have gone through devastating wars and come out the other side without the radicalism (hello,,Japan)
306 | NJDhockeyfan Thu, May 23, 2013 3:28:04pm |
307 | Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Thu, May 23, 2013 3:30:37pm |
re: #292 SidewaysQuark
Some religions produce more violent fundamentalists than others, though, and it might be prudent to acknowledge that elephant in the room and explore why it’s there, so the problem can be handled in a rational manner that preserves the individual rights of all, rather than in the reactionary manner that it would otherwise inevitably be handled by fringe groups.
Some religions produce more violent fundamentalists right now. Roll back the clock to another time, and another religion does. So, what does this tell us?
308 | sattv4u2 Thu, May 23, 2013 3:31:12pm |
re: #307 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts
Some religions produce more violent fundamentalists right now. Roll back the clock to another time, and another religion does. So, what does this tell us?
Time to get a new clock??
/
309 | Kragar Thu, May 23, 2013 3:31:22pm |
Rainbow - Long Live Rock N Roll (From “Live In Munich 1977”)
310 | A Mom Anon Thu, May 23, 2013 3:34:47pm |
re: #305 sattv4u2
yes Bin Laden was born into wealth, but the kids he and his buddies got/get to strap bombs to themselves were not. For Bin Laden it was about power and control, for the less fortunate people who followed him, their poverty and lack of hope for a better future made them far easier targets for his extremism.
311 | Dr Lizardo Thu, May 23, 2013 3:36:50pm |
re: #305 sattv4u2
Terrorism has less of a chance to fester and grow if people are educated and have some sort of a shot at creating stable homes and families
And then you have the Bin Ladens of the world. Someone who came not from poverty, but a family of some renown and wealth
Yes, poverty, ignorance and the ravages of war play “a” part, but many peoples have gone through devastating wars and come out the other side without the radicalism (hello,,Japan)
If you look back historically at the leadership of many revolutionary movements - and Al-Qaeda certainly fits in along that spectrum - you’ll see that many of the leaders came from middle-class and up backgrounds. Lenin, Mao, Pol Pot, Trotsky, Ayman al-Zawahiri, Osama bin Laden; these men did not grow up as either poor or uneducated. Lenin was a lawyer. Pol Pot [Saloth Sar] was the son of an official -not to mention educated in France - particularly ironic in light of the Khmer Rouges’ criteria for extermination. Mao’s family was certainly upper middle-class by the standards of that time. Trotsky was the scion of well-to-do farmers. Bin Laden’s family is wealthy by any metric you can apply.
It’s a peculiarity I’ve always noticed. I don’t include Stalin on that list, as he came from a generally working-class background. Adolf Hitler, the son of an Austro-Hungarian Imperial Customs official.
A good many of these revolutionaries are from the very socio-economic class they excoriate.
Oops. Edited for a major typo.
312 | A Mom Anon Thu, May 23, 2013 3:37:51pm |
re: #310 A Mom Anon
I also think we need to ask who benefits the most from these acts of terrorism, who benefits from keeping people afraid, poor, and filling their heads with hate instead of education and a chance to create stable communities. Track that back and answer those questions and maybe we could begin healing some of this madness.
313 | SidewaysQuark Thu, May 23, 2013 3:37:55pm |
re: #307 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts
Some religions produce more violent fundamentalists right now. Roll back the clock to another time, and another religion does. So, what does this tell us?
It tells us it’s prudent to acknowledge where violent fundamentalism is most commonly rearing its ugly head, explore the causes of the fundamentalism, and suppress it.
314 | stabby Thu, May 23, 2013 3:38:09pm |
re: #297 A Mom Anon
Disagree: a lot of terrorists are middle class (or higher!), University educated. Poverty is a real problem, but terrorism’s roots are in belief and bigotry not in need.
re: #282 A Mom Anon
The problem is fundamentalists of all stripes. Religion is just the handiest excuse they use to hide behind.
Disagree. Fundimentalists are the result of REALLY believing and making religion the central organizing principle of their minds. If religion is first and second and third priorities for you, then you’re gonna be twisted.
re: #292 SidewaysQuark
It’s not an elephant in the room. Everyone knows it, some people just get a bit nervous that we’ll have to deal with commenters going full wingnut if we harp on it. And there are blogs that show that that’s a problem. Complaining about groups attracts commenters who obsess over those complaints…
315 | Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Thu, May 23, 2013 3:39:25pm |
re: #313 SidewaysQuark
It tells us it’s prudent to acknowledge where violent fundamentalism is most commonly rearing its ugly head, explore the causes of the fundamentalism, and suppress it.
Yes. And it’s also clear that it’s not the particular ‘religion’ itself, because in different eras and times and places, different religions have all shown the capacity for the utmost depraved fanaticism.
316 | Dr Lizardo Thu, May 23, 2013 3:40:15pm |
re: #311 Dr Lizardo
I edited that comment. I inadvertently put Pol Pot’s educational background behind Mao. Sorry about that. I corrected it on edit.
317 | A Mom Anon Thu, May 23, 2013 3:42:42pm |
re: #314 stabby
You’re talking about the leaders of these groups, the people higher up in the hierarchy. Those people are usually more educated and come from wealthier backrounds. The average suicide bomber isn’t going to be an Osama Bin Laden, it’s going to be some kid who doesn’t have anything else to cling to.
318 | stabby Thu, May 23, 2013 3:43:08pm |
re: #310 A Mom Anon
yes Bin Laden was born into wealth, but the kids he and his buddies got/get to strap bombs to themselves were not. For Bin Laden it was about power and control, for the less fortunate people who followed him, their poverty and lack of hope for a better future made them far easier targets for his extremism.
Sure it could be power, or (I always thought) fame and prestige, but knowing that doesn’t help. Belief is at least as important. Maybe the Pope is Pope because he likes being famous. How would knowing that change anything? And yes leaders always use the children of the poor as footsoldiers. Once again, that’s universal, how does knowing that help?
319 | wrenchwench Thu, May 23, 2013 3:45:44pm |
Boy Scouts will accept gay boys, but not gay adults.
“And here is your final badge. Sashay away, Eagle Scout!” cc: @joeljohnson @shani_o— Jorge Rivas (@thisisjorge) May 23, 2013
320 | A Mom Anon Thu, May 23, 2013 3:46:12pm |
re: #318 stabby
What about trying to eradicate poverty? What about education? What about creating new or better sources for keeping people fed? I just think if people can be given the tools to create what they need and maybe help them protect what they create til things get stable, terrorism would be less appealing to most people who might be vulnerable to going down that road.
321 | Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Thu, May 23, 2013 3:46:46pm |
re: #314 stabby
Are you prepared, at this time, to deal with my two criticisms of your stance on Islam?
You hold that Islam is the worst of the major religions. Your support for this contention is twofold: that there are lots of Muslim terrorists and lots of support for violent extremism in the Muslim world today, and that you personally have read the Qu’Ran and it’s more full of terrible things than the other texts, and it also has to be followed ‘literally’.
My criticisms of your position are these: First, that refusing to look at the past history of Christianity is foolish in the extreme. History matters, and the history of Christian regimes, including places like Nazi Germany and the vicious, blood-soaked battles of Catholics vs Protestants that continued through the Enlightenment era, shouldn’t be ignored. Hell, Buddhists have fought massive, terrible, democidal religious wars.
Second, your personal analysis of the Qu’ran— despite me asking, you’ve never cited where you’ve written all this up. You may just mean that you’ve read it and you have managed to compare the Qu’Ran with the Bible and the Tanakh in your head; if so, that weakens your argument a lot more given that’s, y’know, pretty hard. Anyway, you assert that Muslims need to take the text ‘literally’, and ignore that the same is true for Jews and the Tanakh; it is not allowed to be altered. Yet you’ve never explained why your criticism of the Qu’Ran wouldn’t equally apply to the Tanakh.
Finally, kind of part tow of the above, you’ve furthered referenced the character of Mohammed and said that his being the prophet and inspiration for Islam and also a bad man makes Muslims aspire to be a bad person. I’ve pointed out, again, the many figures in the Jewish tradition who have committed pretty horrific acts and yet are heroes. Furthermore, most Christians don’t really live in a Christ-like fashion, and violent Christian zealots exist despite the ‘example’ of Christ, so this theory seems a little flat.
You generally respond to these criticisms by simply restating your premise; it’d be really cool if you actually took them to heart and tried to respond meaningfully.
322 | GeneJockey Thu, May 23, 2013 3:48:13pm |
Terrorists? Almost exclusively men. Mostly men under 30.
Mass killers? Almost exclusively men. Mostly men under 30.
I think men that age are most likely to feel a need to put leave some kind of mark on the world, for good or ill, and also are often looking for something to believe in.
323 | stabby Thu, May 23, 2013 3:48:17pm |
re: #320 A Mom Anon
The real problem is what people believe, not what they eat.
But there’s something there. Radical groups get a foothold by feeding the poor. Al Qaeda even owns at least one hospital.
And once they’re in there, valued by the society, you can’t get rid of them, because if you even try to help their people, they’ll kill you.. Hamas.. Hezbollah… etc etc.
324 | Charles Johnson Thu, May 23, 2013 3:48:19pm |
re: #314 stabby
If arguments about cultural superiority tend to attract far right types, which they do, perhaps it might be a good idea to re-examine whether your argument really IS simply based on logic and rationality, or if those far right types are attracted to it because it is inherently a bad argument based on intrinsic prejudice.
325 | SidewaysQuark Thu, May 23, 2013 3:51:42pm |
re: #315 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts
Yes. And it’s also clear that it’s not the particular ‘religion’ itself, because in different eras and times and places, different religions have all shown the capacity for the utmost depraved fanaticism.
I’m aware of this; Europe during the Thirty Years War is a prime example of what you’re talking about, and a good example of how entire swaths of culture can become inundated by fanaticism. I think it’s very obvious that a variant of this phenomenon has now occurred in many parts of the predominately Muslim world ranging all the way from North Africa to Pakistan. I don’t proffer any simple solutions on how to deal with it, other than to suggest that it should be made clear, in no uncertain terms, that Muslims and their faith are welcomed with open arms in Western culture, but that the baggage that is giving rise to extremism of all sorts (from terrorism to oppression of civil liberties, womens & gay rights, and free speech) will not in any way be embraced or tolerated here.
326 | darthstar Thu, May 23, 2013 3:51:57pm |
Obama: Close Gitmo.Code Pink: BUT close Gitmo.Obama: Yeah, I said close Gitmo.Code Pink: BUT TEH GITMO.Obama: Seriously?— Oliver Willis (@owillis) May 23, 2013
327 | Kragar Thu, May 23, 2013 3:52:15pm |
Top Conservatives on the BSA vote:
“Be of good cheer. If the Bible teaches us anything, it teaches us to accept our failures, as well as our successes, with quiet dignity and grace…
Son of a bitch! Bastard! I’ll get you for this! What did you do to me? What did you do to me?”
///
328 | Lidane Thu, May 23, 2013 3:52:52pm |
So sad. Rich 100-year history of @boyscouts as “honorable” & “morally straight” ends in disgrace cnn.com/2013/05/23/us/…— Matt Barber (@jmattbarber) May 23, 2013
Bad decision by BSA 2 allow openly homosexual scouts.I’ve nothing against those boys,but BSA isn’t helping them & will devastate their ranks— Barrett Duke (@ERLCDuke) May 23, 2013
Sad day for the Boy Scouts. Sad day for America: formerly “morally straight” organization votes to allow openly homosexual members #tcot #p2— Peter LaBarbera (@PeterLaBarbera) May 23, 2013
Haha. The derp is glorious.
329 | Dr Lizardo Thu, May 23, 2013 3:56:03pm |
330 | RadicalModerate Thu, May 23, 2013 3:56:15pm |
re: #171 aagcobb
Sorry, Star Trek fans, Teleportation is impossible.
He needs to revisit #2 (Destructive scanning of a body, transmitting the information, and then reconstructing the body), because he is using limitations in current technology for data transmission and storage as his benchmark for whether this is at all possible. Given the near logarithmic advances in these fields (as an example, we have the capability of storing roughly five terabytes of data in an area roughly the size of a dime - less than 10 years ago, we couldn’t reliably store 1/10,000th of that data in that space. Scanning and data transmission have seen similar advances in recent years - and his argument over the amount of data that has traveled across the internet is more a limitation of what commercial hardware is currently in place (who are historically slow in adapting new technology) versus the bandwidth of what current tech is capable.
In ten years’ time we’ll be even closer to that “impossible” ability - and who knows what advances we might make in a century’s time?
331 | Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Thu, May 23, 2013 3:56:29pm |
re: #325 SidewaysQuark
I’m aware of this; Europe during the Thirty Years War is a prime example of what you’re talking about, and a good example of how entire swaths of culture can become inundated by fanaticism. I think it’s very obvious that a variant of this phenomenon has now occurred in many parts of the predominately Muslim world ranging all the way from North Africa to Pakistan. I don’t proffer any simple solutions on how to deal with it, other than to suggest that it should be made clear, in no uncertain terms, that Muslims and their faith are welcomed with open arms in Western culture, but that the baggage that is giving rise to extremism of all sorts (from terrorism to oppression of civil liberties, womens & gay rights, and free speech) will not in any way be embraced or tolerated here.
I don’t get why you think this is being ignored or something, though. The idea that radical Islam is a problem in the world isn’t exactly new.
And I’m not sure how we can claim to not tolerate the oppression of the civil liberties of gays and women when we have a major party in the US here which advocates the oppression of the civil liberties of gays and women.
332 | darthstar Thu, May 23, 2013 3:57:56pm |
Congratulations @boyscouts for letting gay kids be members.Now let #girls in too. (oh, and gay scout leaders). #seehoweasyitis?— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) May 23, 2013
333 | dragonath Thu, May 23, 2013 3:58:58pm |
What the hell does “morally straight” mean? My morality has a gender?
334 | A Mom Anon Thu, May 23, 2013 3:59:00pm |
re: #323 stabby
You’re too hung up on the particular religious aspects of this and ignoring what ALLOWS fundamentalism to take hold. If a society is stable or at least offers stability, you will see less extremism.
Hell, gangs in this country sometimes do “community service” to protect their turf. It’s PR work. Successes in getting rid of those gangs come when you offer kids something better so the gangs don’t have the allure they otherwise would. Young men are particularly vulnerable to gangs when their own families are destabilized by poverty and drug addiction, gangs offer a family where none or a broken one exists. Fill that void, the gangs lose their hold over a community.
335 | GeneJockey Thu, May 23, 2013 4:00:14pm |
re: #333 dragonath
What the hell does “morally straight” mean? My morality has a gender?
IIRC, the term predates the use of ‘straight’ to denote hetersexuality.
336 | darthstar Thu, May 23, 2013 4:00:19pm |
re: #333 dragonath
What the hell does “morally straight” mean? My morality has a gender?
They mean morally not gay…as if morality has a sexual preference.
337 | kirkspencer Thu, May 23, 2013 4:02:25pm |
re: #310 A Mom Anon
yes Bin Laden was born into wealth, but the kids he and his buddies got/get to strap bombs to themselves were not. For Bin Laden it was about power and control, for the less fortunate people who followed him, their poverty and lack of hope for a better future made them far easier targets for his extremism.
No, it’s not poverty. Plenty of studies have shown it’s not a significant factor at all. Most of the studies are as the result of examination of the Suicide Terrorism Database in Flinders University in Australia. See as an example of the findings Life as a Weapon: Making Sense of Suicide Bombings.
338 | EPR-radar Thu, May 23, 2013 4:02:57pm |
re: #330 RadicalModerate
I think you mean ‘exponential progress’ rather than logarithmic progress here.
Logarithmic progress would be something like 10% improvement for every doubling of the time span over which progress is measured.
In other words, logarithmic progress is what we get in non-technical fields like economics, law and political science. /half
339 | darthstar Thu, May 23, 2013 4:03:23pm |
Gays in the Boy Scouts AND @ewerickson promises to stay away? Double win! Hell, now I wanna be a Boy Scout.— Kaili Joy Gray (@KailiJoy) May 23, 2013
340 | jaunte Thu, May 23, 2013 4:03:37pm |
re: #319 wrenchwench
The Scouts decide it’s a phase you’re going through.
— allanbrauer (@allanbrauer) May 23, 2013
341 | The Ghost of a Flea Thu, May 23, 2013 4:04:27pm |
The funny thing about cultural superiority arguments is that they tend to be made by people standing atop a pile of slightly-more-rotten corpses.
I’m always quite amused by people touting European (slash US) culture, which literally attained its height by tapping the resources and unfree labor of 4 continents, one subcontinent, and sampler platter of the more ample Pacific island chains. In a direct way, all the nice shit white people have is the product of a massive wealth transfer from the brown people they took over while citing their cultural superiority and spiritual mandate to convert.
The only thing more guignol entertaining is the people stunned by the rise of Islamic fundamentalism in poor nations. It’s almost like a century-long geopolitical policy of delivering dumptrucks of money to a feudal monarchy that actively fund the propagation of their own narrow brand of Islam has consequences. It’s almost like if you give great wodges of cash to fundamentalists willing to kill more liberal practitioners of the same religion, eventually the religion as a whole gets more conservative.
But on the bright side, the theocrats helped us outspend the Communists, so provisional Hurrahs all ‘round.
342 | SidewaysQuark Thu, May 23, 2013 4:05:58pm |
re: #331 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts
And I’m not sure how we can claim to not tolerate the oppression of the civil liberties of gays and women when we have a major party in the US here which advocates the oppression of the civil liberties of gays and women.
I would contend that this adds fuel to the fire, and is indeed part of the problem. I didn’t claim that we don’t tolerate the the oppression, I said we shouldn’t.
343 | GeneJockey Thu, May 23, 2013 4:07:30pm |
re: #334 A Mom Anon
In discussing the Palestinians with wingnuts, I point out that the vast majority of people everywhere want the same things: Beyond food, shelter and clothing, people want a place to live where they feel like they know what to expect, where they feel some control of their lives, and where their children can grow up free from the thread of random death. Stability, control, safety. Make people live for long without these, and you have sown the seeds of extremism.
344 | Ming Thu, May 23, 2013 4:11:51pm |
re: #117 AntonSirius
I am now pointedly not turning on any cable news channel for their analysis of that speech.
I guess that’s sort of the point, from the viewpoint of the Obama-haters. One thing they don’t want is a grown-up discussion of the President’s speech. They’re not interested at all in the substantive issues. By making NOISE, they drown out higher-level discussion of ideas. So they have to make noise, right away, so the noise becomes part of the story, and crowds out what might have been a grown-up discussion.
Can you imagine President Obama giving an interesting speech that covers a complex topic (precisely what he did today) and the major news outlets simply discussing the various issues raised by the speech, at a high level, respectfully? That’s the way things should be, but it’s emphatically not the way things are today. The NOISE gets in the way, very effectively.
345 | A Mom Anon Thu, May 23, 2013 4:11:53pm |
re: #337 kirkspencer
I am not just talking about suicide bombers. Which community do you think is going to be more vulnerable to the preaching of extremists?
1) a stable community where people have access to decent housing, quality food, clean water, proper healthcare and education, along with a sense of feeling life has some promise
or
2)grinding poverty, no shot at a stable future, being lucky if you are educated enough to be literate and living in a place that is torn apart repeatedly by war where you know there is really no hope of anything getting better.
I get that there will be middle class and rich kids who end up being leaders or followers of terrorist groups, but education is a key to reducing the numbers of people who will fall into the more extreme groups to be part of something, anything that’s better than what is before them.
346 | Vicious Babushka Thu, May 23, 2013 4:13:49pm |
Epitaph: On this day, the Boy Scouts of America died, sacrificing their honor and the sexual integrity of young men.— Bryan Fischer (@BryanJFischer) May 23, 2013
Every faith community, including the LDS church, should notify the BSA tomorrow that they are terminating sponsorship.— Bryan Fischer (@BryanJFischer) May 23, 2013
347 | A Mom Anon Thu, May 23, 2013 4:15:19pm |
re: #346 Vicious Babushka
Awesome! Get the wingnuts out of scouting and let them start their own groups. Freedom!!!
348 | GeneJockey Thu, May 23, 2013 4:16:59pm |
re: #341 The Ghost of a Flea
The funny thing about cultural superiority arguments is that they tend to be made by people standing atop a pile of slightly-more-rotten corpses.
Indeed. Those who talk about how Muslims don’t value life oftenlook back fondly on when our advanced Western society undertook a 6 year orgy of megadeath that capped off centuries of increasingly deadly wars that happened about every generation or so, and only ended when we got so good at it that we scared ourselves out of it.
For now.
I’m always quite amused by people touting European (slash US) culture, which literally attained its height by tapping the resources and unfree labor of 4 continents, one subcontinent, and sampler platter of the more ample Pacific island chains. In a direct way, all the nice shit white people have is the product of a massive wealth transfer from the brown people they took over while citing their cultural superiority and spiritual mandate to convert.
Nonsense! It was all the hard work of white pioneers, taming the COMPLETELY EMPTY frontier and building their homes with their own two hands with only the materials they had at hand.
//
350 | EPR-radar Thu, May 23, 2013 4:17:21pm |
re: #346 Vicious Babushka
How to prove spontaneous human combustion.
Put Bryan Fischer in a warehouse full of gay porn and sex toys. Turn the lights out. Start up an IR video camera.
351 | darthstar Thu, May 23, 2013 4:17:42pm |
Rick Perry: “I will always cherish my time as a scout and the life lessons I learned,” but “greatly disappointed with this decision.”— Mike Memoli (@mikememoli) May 23, 2013
And now Rick Perry is sad? Man, could this day get any better?— Kaili Joy Gray (@KailiJoy) May 23, 2013
352 | Targetpractice Thu, May 23, 2013 4:18:10pm |
re: #346 Vicious Babushka
Because really, the best way to show you’re not a bunch of small-minded bigots is to abandon the BSA after decades of support.
353 | Kragar Thu, May 23, 2013 4:18:10pm |
re: #347 A Mom Anon
Awesome! Get the wingnuts out of scouting and let them start their own groups. Freedom!!!
I’m going to form my own scouts… with blackjack and hookers.
354 | Vicious Babushka Thu, May 23, 2013 4:18:25pm |
re: #350 EPR-radar
How to prove spontaneous human combustion.
Put Bryan Fischer in a warehouse full of gay porn and sex toys. Turn the lights out. Start up an IR video camera.
Bryan would be much happier if he could just come out of the closet.
355 | EPR-radar Thu, May 23, 2013 4:19:10pm |
re: #346 Vicious Babushka
‘sexual integrity of young men’? I’ve heard of believing in six impossible things before breakfast, but really…
356 | darthstar Thu, May 23, 2013 4:19:51pm |
re: #353 Kragar
I’m going to form my own scouts… with blackjack and hookers.
I’ve already got my “double-down on 12” merit badge.
357 | kirkspencer Thu, May 23, 2013 4:20:15pm |
re: #345 A Mom Anon
I am not just talking about suicide bombers. Which community do you think is going to be more vulnerable to the preaching of extremists?
1) a stable community where people have access to decent housing, quality food, clean water, proper healthcare and education, along with a sense of feeling life has some promise
or
2)grinding poverty, no shot at a stable future, being lucky if you are educated enough to be literate and living in a place that is torn apart repeatedly by war where you know there is really no hope of anything getting better.
I get that there will be middle class and rich kids who end up being leaders or followers of terrorist groups, but education is a key to reducing the numbers of people who will fall into the more extreme groups to be part of something, anything that’s better than what is before them.
Counterintuitively, group 1 is more likely to be vulnerable to the preaching.
358 | GeneJockey Thu, May 23, 2013 4:20:22pm |
re: #353 Kragar
I’m going to form my own scouts… with blackjack and hookers.
Interest, newsletter, etc.
359 | darthstar Thu, May 23, 2013 4:20:32pm |
re: #346 Vicious Babushka
Look at the bright side, Bryan…pup tents now sleep three.
360 | efuseakay Thu, May 23, 2013 4:21:16pm |
re: #53 Vicious Babushka
DERP
And my geneticist Muslim friend in Boston is trying to find a cure for diabetes and cancer. Fuck you Jim.
361 | darthstar Thu, May 23, 2013 4:21:23pm |
Here’s Rick Perry, fondling a puppy and mourning the BSA.
.@governorperry @daveweigel Governor Perry…could you not fondle a puppy when you say that? #mixedmessages— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) May 23, 2013
362 | GeneJockey Thu, May 23, 2013 4:21:37pm |
re: #359 darthstar
Look at the bright side, Bryan…pup tents now sleep three.
But the guy who sleeps in the middle gets the stick at both ends.
363 | A Mom Anon Thu, May 23, 2013 4:22:00pm |
re: #354 Vicious Babushka
I think he and Peter LaBarbera would make an adorable couple. LaBarbera has probably been to more gay pride parades than most gay people. He must like it, just a little, or he wouldn’t keep going back. Hell, I’d send them a gift if they had a fabulous wedding someday.
364 | sattv4u2 Thu, May 23, 2013 4:22:00pm |
re: #356 darthstar
I’ve already got my “double-down on 12” merit badge.
I tie a mean square knot
Just ask any of the hookers i’ve been with
365 | SidewaysQuark Thu, May 23, 2013 4:22:46pm |
re: #360 efuseakay
And my geneticist Muslim friend in Boston is trying to find a cure for diabetes and cancer. Fuck you Jim.
Hope your friend succeeds and is amply rewarded for it.
366 | darthstar Thu, May 23, 2013 4:23:39pm |
re: #362 GeneJockey
But the guy who sleeps in the middle gets the stick at both ends.
All the better to build a fire!
367 | GeneJockey Thu, May 23, 2013 4:23:59pm |
re: #363 A Mom Anon
LaBarbera has probably been to more gay pride parades than most gay people. He must like it, just a little, or he wouldn’t keep going back.
“I was working on a case! I hate them queeries!”
368 | A Mom Anon Thu, May 23, 2013 4:24:22pm |
re: #357 kirkspencer
I guess we’re just going to have to disagree on this one.
369 | Targetpractice Thu, May 23, 2013 4:25:59pm |
re: #361 darthstar
Here’s Rick Perry, fondling a puppy and mourning the BSA.
Saddened the BSA bends to the whims of political correctness.
I’m saddened that 18th century dipshits like you are still electable in the 21st century, Goodhair.
370 | darthstar Thu, May 23, 2013 4:28:13pm |
They should introduce her to George Zimmerman.
BREAKING: Jury deadlocks again on life term or death for Jodi Arias.— The Associated Press (@AP) May 23, 2013
371 | efuseakay Thu, May 23, 2013 4:28:45pm |
re: #365 SidewaysQuark
Hope your friend succeeds and is amply rewarded for it.
I hope so too. It’s a rough road. Even in that line of work, there’s a lot of pointless drama.
372 | GeneJockey Thu, May 23, 2013 4:28:58pm |
re: #357 kirkspencer
Counterintuitively, group 1 is more likely to be vulnerable to the preaching.
Is that really so? Or is it that the few nutcases from group 1 who buy into the preaching are more likely to be able to kill large numbers of people, so they’re more prominent?
373 | A Mom Anon Thu, May 23, 2013 4:29:43pm |
YAY!! Ice cream is finished. Basic custard ice cream base with vanilla beans steeped and then the insides scraped into the mix, caramelized chopped almonds and chocolate chips. Served with caramel syrup.
I love homemade ice cream.
(skips off singing… “I’ve got some ice cream and you can’t have none”…)
374 | EPR-radar Thu, May 23, 2013 4:30:19pm |
re: #162 Kragar
Republican Arizona Rep. claims anti-choice movement ‘arrested Nazi holocaust’
“The pro-life perspective is a growing majority in America,” he added, in video snipped by Right Wing Watch, embedded below. “We are the ones that rushed into eastern Europe and arrested the Nazi holocaust. We are the ones that said no more to slavery after 1,000 years. And, by the grace of God, we’re gonna be the ones that say we’re gonna protect our unborn children.”
He went onto add, “Once they’re born, screw ‘em. Their mother should have kept her legs shut if she didn’t want kids.”
This is a special level of history fail, even for a derped-out wing nut.
The Soviets occupied Eastern Europe, not the US. How can a wingnut forget about the iron curtain? It really boggles the mind.
375 | Kragar Thu, May 23, 2013 4:32:56pm |
Fox News host tells listeners to punch Obama voters ‘in the face’
A host of the Fox News show The Five was so angry that the Justice Department had investigated one of the network’s reporters that she told her viewers on Thursday to find anyone who voted for President Barack Obama and “punch them in the face.”
“Fox said, we’re targets, clearly Media Matters and others have put us on a target list,” Fox News host Andrea Tantaros explained on the Thursday edition of her radio show. “And they said, ‘Oh, Fox is just crazy! They’re just paranoid!’ Really? Are we?”
“This is what is happening to our press! This is Obama’s America! It’s like the Soviet Union,” she continued. “He said he would change the country. He said it. And a lot of people voted for him.”
“And if you see any of those people today, do me a favor, punch them in the face.”
After a commercial break, a caller from South Carolina told Tantaros that he hated Obama, but worried that telling people to punch Obama voters in the face was sending the wrong message.
“To be clear, I didn’t say punch Obama in the face,” the Fox News host pointed out. “You’re going to get me arrested with this type of government.”
“If someone voted for him!” she insisted to the caller. “If anyone that you know who voted for President Obama, smack ‘em down.”
If you find a Conservative voter, point at them and laugh.
376 | stabby Thu, May 23, 2013 4:33:02pm |
re: #334 A Mom Anon
You’re too hung up on the particular religious aspects of this and ignoring what ALLOWS fundamentalism to take hold. If a society is stable or at least offers stability, you will see less extremism.
Hell, gangs in this country sometimes do “community service” to protect their turf. It’s PR work. Successes in getting rid of those gangs come when you offer kids something better so the gangs don’t have the allure they otherwise would. Young men are particularly vulnerable to gangs when their own families are destabilized by poverty and drug addiction, gangs offer a family where none or a broken one exists. Fill that void, the gangs lose their hold over a community.
Fundamentalism =/= gangs.
It only equals gangs if your religion calls for gangs.
People want pure, simple, hopeful, mystical beliefs. They want to believe that they’re important and immortal - and they have a world that makes them sick, kills them, kills the innocent - and they’re stuck because the world doesn’t match what they want to believe.
Also the silly religions misrepresent sexuality, and most people can’t even suppress their own sexuality and stay happy and sane. So, once again there is a total mismatch between reality and what people want to believe.
So we will always have a lot of nuts who try to be 100% believers in simple crap, who turn themselves inside out and even into evil people trying to excuse God for not making the world work the way it should. If people suffer, God must be punishing them for evil. If other people don’t believe what they believe, those people must be abominations…
And all this dovetails to the problem of how knowledge flows. Can believers learn how the world works? Will they believe news reports? Will they believe scientific knowledge? Will they believe history?
Middle eastern countries are in terrible shape partially because Islamists make up lies in order to foment hatred and war - because they believe God wants hatred and war.
So the problem is that entire populations think that sources of malicious misinformation are the most or only creditable sources of information. We’re on the cusp of having precisely the same problem in our society.
Educated people can be too biased to accept a sane view of the world. Religion is deliberately designed to have a powerful hold over a mind, and that can be more powerful than education.
Note that none of this has anything to do with poverty.
377 | Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Thu, May 23, 2013 4:35:24pm |
re: #376 stabby
So you’re skipping my post, right? You’re still unable to answer my very, very basic criticism of your Islamaphobia?
379 | AlexRogan Thu, May 23, 2013 4:36:15pm |
re: #293 darthstar
Someone’s huffing spray paint again…
Someone picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue…
/
380 | Lidane Thu, May 23, 2013 4:36:46pm |
Man Butt-Dials 911 While Discussing Murder Plans bit.ly/130KWlx— TweetSmarter (@TweetSmarter) May 23, 2013
381 | stabby Thu, May 23, 2013 4:39:00pm |
re: #378 A Mom Anon
Solution? For the whole world?
Fight for ideas. Make sure that the next generation is exposed to modern ideas earlier than their parents were.
You can’t teach adults much, but you also can’t keep children from learning, if they’re soaked in information.
Fight fight fight bad ideas with good ones.
382 | stabby Thu, May 23, 2013 4:41:47pm |
re: #378 A Mom Anon
…continued
but keep in mind that the fundies are smart enough to know this too, and they will try to keep societies isolated and children ignorant.
One of the hopes of the Iraq war was that it would break open Iraq and maybe some of the surrounding places to ideas, information from the outside. I say this because one depressing thought is that even my own goal could take war to achieve, or perhaps it can’t be achieved at all.
383 | kirkspencer Thu, May 23, 2013 4:42:14pm |
re: #368 A Mom Anon
I guess we’re just going to have to disagree on this one.
I could throw multiple studies at you. Instead, just two. First: Poverty, Political Freedom, and the Roots of Terrorism. Alberto Abadie, jointly supported by Harvard and NBER, written in 2004. (link). Second, a poll by the PCPSR done in 2001 over some Israel/Palestine reconciliation issues. As a rule the lower class (wealth and education) were more supportive of reconciliation, more likely to be in agreement with us about various organizations being terrorists.
In short it’s not my unsupported opinion, it’s the result of actual studies. Many of them, done independent of one another.
Here, let me give you another point to chew upon. Membership in the Ku Klux Klan was predominately middle and upper class through much of its existence. It’s worth recalling that there were, and are, economic costs to being a “terrorist” that are difficult to meet when it’s hard enough getting food on the table. Until it goes to outright guerrilla warfare (and hence needs privates in bulk) insurgencies and terrorism are games for those with time to play.
384 | Gus Thu, May 23, 2013 4:43:40pm |
re: #375 Kragar
Fox News host tells listeners to punch Obama voters ‘in the face’
If you find a Conservative voter, point at them and laugh.
Journalism!
385 | jamesfirecat Thu, May 23, 2013 4:45:02pm |
386 | A Mom Anon Thu, May 23, 2013 4:48:08pm |
re: #383 kirkspencer
Alright then, I stand corrected. Nothing is simple and I was too simplistic.
387 | stabby Thu, May 23, 2013 4:50:00pm |
Another problem with religion and the flow of knowledge is that it’s possible for religious people to discount the very concept of truth. As you might imagine, when piety eclipses honesty it becomes very hard for people to think at all.
This is a worse problem when you believe that God wants hatred and war and wants propaganda to create that.
Sigh.
388 | GeneJockey Thu, May 23, 2013 4:50:46pm |
389 | kirkspencer Thu, May 23, 2013 4:53:37pm |
re: #386 A Mom Anon
Alright then, I stand corrected. Nothing is simple and I was too simplistic.
fwiw, I had to have my nose rubbed in it a few decades ago. As in my commander called me an idiot and told me he wanted a memo summarizing the existing studies on his desk by the end of the next day, with bibliography and footnotes. One of the things I learned in the process is that pretty much everyone seems to think poverty is a driver and has to be shown otherwise. It is, as I said, counterintuitive. After all, it’s the peasants who are revolting. (//)
Peasant rebellions happen. And lower class gets involved. It’s just they’re not the primary feeding ground. Recognizing that helps better aim our resources at suppressing and reducing terrorism, both foreign and domestic.
390 | stabby Thu, May 23, 2013 4:56:55pm |
Actually it’s almost hopeful that the British terrorist’s rant wasn’t a traditional dar al harb one, but rather posed in terms of Islamic victimhood.
You might think it means that you can make peace by giving people no reason to call themselves victims.
But even Hezbollah is forced to talk the same way because even the most radical population doesn’t like suffering from wars that are totally wars of choice. And, believe me, Hezbollah can’t be convinced that it’s time to live in peace no matter what the realities are.
391 | efuseakay Thu, May 23, 2013 5:03:01pm |
re: #381 stabby
Solution? For the whole world?
Fight for ideas. Make sure that the next generation is exposed to modern ideas earlier than their parents were.
You can’t teach adults much, but you also can’t keep children from learning, if they’re soaked in information.
Fight fight fight bad ideas with good ones.
Who decides which ideas are good or bad?
393 | Bubblehead II Thu, May 23, 2013 5:05:27pm |
re: #392 Bubblehead II
Night Lizards. Speakes in tounge.
394 | stabby Thu, May 23, 2013 5:12:27pm |
re: #321 Bert’s House of Beef and Obdicuts
My reply is simple:
1) I don’t believe that it’s a coincidence that Islam is currently the most backward religion and that it has the structural problems you mentioned (Mohammad’s bad example, and the fact that mainstream interpretations are fundamentalist).
2) I don’t argue that it’s impossible for Islam to change, I argue that there isn’t much evidence that it IS changing and that your opinions are irrelevant to whether it ever does.
3) Since you agree with me that Islam currently has these problems, then as far as I’m concerned you agree with me, because when I talk about Islam I’m talking about reality - this world, this time. The future is unknown. You can talk all you want about the nature of some abstract Islam in fictional future worlds or long gone dead past ones and that doesn’t affect my statements at all.
4) If I agree with you that Islam could change, that doesn’t affect whether it’s better or worse in the present. My actual opinion is that Islam can only improve by fading away.
395 | stabby Thu, May 23, 2013 5:43:00pm |
re: #391 efuseakay
some main ideas they lack and need are:
1) the concept of the individual, and of individual rights
2) the idea that humans and their lives are of worth, even if not the same religion, clan etc.
3) the worth of liberal democracy over autocracy
4) the worth of the institutions that make liberal democracy possible, say freedom of speech
396 | stabby Thu, May 23, 2013 5:43:45pm |
5) that outsiders and their societies can have worthwhile ideas
398 | stabby Thu, May 23, 2013 5:46:41pm |
7) rights for women and girls
8) that brutality in the name of religion or sexual morality isn’t acceptable
Yeah efuseakay, who’s to say that any of these concepts are good eh?
399 | chadu Thu, May 23, 2013 7:33:51pm |
re: #213 Feline Fearless Leader
If we didn’t eat them they would grow into giant humungous lobsters and become a threat to the entire Eastern Seaboard and America until they were harpooned.
I long for the day, back in the past (mid-1700s to mid-1800s), where GINORMUS lobsters and oysters were seen as “servant’s food” and inexpensive as hell.
400 | chadu Thu, May 23, 2013 7:37:05pm |
re: #215 darthstar
Nah…you just have to put rubber bands around their claws and they’re harmless.
Though apparently that doesn’t stop them from fucking.
Therefore, lobsters are into BDSM.
QED.
Whatever happens in a small sandy patch of seabed, stays in that small sandy patch of seabed…
401 | chadu Thu, May 23, 2013 7:38:59pm |
re: #229 erik_t
Not five. “About five”. What, was it too much effort to count?
Could be rabbits. Anything over five to them is “hrair.”
/Watership Down
402 | chadu Thu, May 23, 2013 7:44:44pm |
re: #292 SidewaysQuark
Some religions produce more violent fundamentalists than others, though, and it might be prudent to acknowledge that elephant in the room and explore why it’s there, so the problem can be handled in a rational manner that preserves the individual rights of all, rather than in the reactionary manner that it would otherwise inevitably be handled by fringe groups.
I think it has more to do with the intersections of those religions and economic and cultural issues.
You can’t chalk this up to one variable.
403 | chadu Thu, May 23, 2013 7:45:48pm |
re: #293 darthstar
Someone’s huffing spray paint again…
Why does anyone pay her money and give her a pulpit?
For FK’s SAKE!
404 | chadu Thu, May 23, 2013 7:50:25pm |
re: #302 Targetpractice
Countdown to Fischer blowing a blood vessel in 3…2…1…
I’m a fking Eagle Scout, who had more than one gay Scout in my Troop.
While I welcome this decision, it’s a decade or two behind the goddamn times.
Also, this is still bullshit:
“This resolution today dealt with youth. We have not changed our adult membership standards. They have served us well for the last 100 years. Those were not on the table,” said Tico Perez, BSA national commissioner.
You stupid man.
In 5 years, we’ll see gay adult Scout leaders.
But continue trying to order back the tide, Canute…