Examiner.com Publishes Then Deletes an Unbelievably Deranged Wingnut Conspiracy Fantasy

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They’ve deleted it from their site now, but if you hurry you can still see examiner.com’s freaky anti-Obama conspiracy fantasy in the Google web cache: Was President Obama High on Coke While Benghazi Burned? - Arlington Conservative | Examiner.com.

“Arlington Conservative” is Dean Chambers, the delusional nutbag responsible for one of the funnier websites in recent memory, Unskewed Polls. And he based his crazed hallucinatory article on something he read at hillbuzz.org, where they’re even more unhinged than Dean Chambers.

It’s an absolute classic in the annals of whacked out right wing gay-sex-and-drugs fantasizing, bubbling up from the sub-Alex Jones far right. It has everything; homophobia mixed with a simultaneous sick fascination with gay sex, thinly buried racism, sheer insanity inspired by blind hatred turned up to 99. So here’s the full text for posterity:

While our consulate in Benghazi was attacked during the night of September 11 of last year, our fearless leader was allegedly hiding away somewhere getting “high as a kite” on cocaine. This is the speculation of Kevin DuJan, a self-described “gay conservative political analyst” writing for a publication called HillBuzz. DuJan states that his claim, which he appears to make based on knowledge and experience of drug addicts, explains the president being missing for most of the evening during the attack on Benghazi.

DuJan explains his theory, writing, “If you’ve ever known anyone who is a drug addict, you’d see it’s obvious that Barack Obama was high on cocaine the night of Benghazi; it is the only logical explanation for his disappearance and the White House’s refusal to comment on what he was doing at the time. Since this was a night of great crisis for our country, the only logical reason that the White House won’t explain where the president was is if this man was high as a kite on illegal narcotics at the time.”

DuJan also suggests the president sought out gay entertainment when he left the next day for Las Vegas, writing that Obama was, “jetting off to fabulous Las Vegas for a fun-and-games fundraiser event he had scheduled there (where, it also should be noted, not only Chippendales but also Thunder From Down Under male revues are regularly held…which certainly establishes the appeal of heading to Las Vegas instead of managing a national crisis back in Washington for this particular president).

DuJan cited an article by Rich Lowry in Politico about the time-line of events the night of the attack and the next day. Obama was seen, “sober on 9/11/12 at 5pm EST when he met with Defense Secretary Leon Panetta and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Martin Dempsey, DuJan writes, “I have never been able to shake the feeling that Barack Obama was woefully disappointed when he learned that Gen. Dempsey has nothing to do with either marijuana or penises in his capacity as the Chairman of the “Joint” Chiefs of “Staff”. But, I presume he would not have done cocaine before meeting with these two military men. Obama appears to have been still functional and ambulatory at 5pm that day.”

DuJan says Obama found out US Ambassador Chris Stevens died and disappeared to somewhere to go get high on cocaine. Obama was allegedly not seen again until 10 P.M. that night when he spoke with Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on the phone. Obama spoke at 10:35 A.M. The next day when he made the statement about the attack on Benghazi being caused by the YouTube video.

Suggesting again the gay theme as well as cocaine use, DuJan wrote, “After reading Lowry’s article, my good friend Justine in California emailed me to ask whether I thought Obama was having sex with Reggie Love during the “missing hours” and if that’s where he was. Justine was an actress and model in Los Angeles back in the late-1970s and ran in the same circles as friends of closeted gay men like Rock Hudson…so her first instinct with Obama and Benghazi is that he and Reggie Love were getting at it and Obama didn’t want to be disturbed.”

Despite speculating about Obama having gay tendencies, DuJan stated he believes the idea of getting high on cocaine that night is a much stronger explanation for Obama’s absense during those hours. DuJan explained, “once you take drugs you are pretty much on another astral plane for however long it takes for the drugs to leave your system. I’ve sadly watched a lot of incredible people in the nightlife scene ruin their lives with cocaine over the years, and once these people got high they stayed high until the drugs metabolized enough for them to function. In fact, a few years ago I dated a day trader here in Chicago who (unbeknownst to me at first) would use cocaine in the evening when he came home from work…and he’d process the drugs in his system enough to be back at his office early the next morning.”

DuJan offered to retract his story in exchange for an explanation from the president on why he was missing during those hours, writing, “I would gladly retract this story if the White House would sufficiently explain Barack Obama’s whereabouts during those missing hours and prove he was not out of his mind on cocaine at the time (or gluttonously engaged in gay sex, as my friend Justine believes).”

DuJan closed his article with this question: “Do you think it’s better for the White House to say the president’s location is “irrelevant” or for them to admit “the president was high on cocaine and/or having gay sex in his private quarters”?”

YEAH! That’s how you do it, Breitbart. No half measures for these brave patriots!

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485 comments
1 jaunte  Tue, May 28, 2013 5:23:47pm
“I would gladly retract this story if the White House would sufficiently explain Barack Obama’s whereabouts during those missing hours and prove he was not out of his mind on cocaine at the time (or gluttonously engaged in gay sex”

What could be fairer than that?

2 AlexRogan  Tue, May 28, 2013 5:24:07pm

Isn’t the bulk of examiner.com stories submitted by readers? If so, that would go a long way to explain how something this whacked out got there.

3 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, May 28, 2013 5:25:15pm

I had a dream the other night that Obama was actually Patrick Stewart.

It made more sense than this.

4 Gus  Tue, May 28, 2013 5:25:21pm

…Dean was later inspired by the courageous independent journalism of Andrew Breitbart and seeks to answer the call for many more to become Andrew Breitbarts…

5 AntonSirius  Tue, May 28, 2013 5:25:42pm

re: #1 jaunte

What could be fairer than that?

Gluttonously? Wrong deadly sin there, d00d.

6 Cardio (formerly JRCMYP)  Tue, May 28, 2013 5:25:46pm

“Suggesting again the gay theme as well as cocaine use, DuJan wrote, “After reading Lowry’s article, my good friend Justine in California emailed me to ask whether I thought Obama was having sex with Reggie Love during the “missing hours” and if that’s where he was. Justine was an actress and model in Los Angeles back in the late-1970s and ran in the same circles as friends of closeted gay men like Rock Hudson…so her first instinct with Obama and Benghazi is that he and Reggie Love were getting at it and Obama didn’t want to be disturbed.”

Oh yes. That was my first instinct too.

//

7 EPR-radar  Tue, May 28, 2013 5:26:07pm

This DuJan clown is a real piece of work. To be expected of a self-described “gay conservative political analyst”, I suppose.

8 AntonSirius  Tue, May 28, 2013 5:26:23pm

re: #3 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

I had a dream the other night that Obama was actually Patrick Stewart.

It made more sense than this.

Was he selling erotic cakes?

9 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 28, 2013 5:26:33pm

re: #4 Gus

…Dean was later inspired by the courageous independent journalism of Andrew Breitbart and seeks to answer the call for many more to become Andrew Breitbarts…

Ah yes the courageous journalism of Andrew Breitbart. You know the kind that involves deliberately taking what people say out of context and then trying to get them fired. Really, what a strange world these people live in.

10 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 28, 2013 5:27:12pm

re: #6 Cardio (formerly JRCMYP)

“Suggesting again the gay theme as well as cocaine use, DuJan wrote, “After reading Lowry’s article, my good friend Justine in California emailed me to ask whether I thought Obama was having sex with Reggie Love during the “missing hours” and if that’s where he was. Justine was an actress and model in Los Angeles back in the late-1970s and ran in the same circles as friends of closeted gay men like Rock Hudson…so her first instinct with Obama and Benghazi is that he and Reggie Love were getting at it and Obama didn’t want to be disturbed.”

Oh yes. That was my first instinct too.

//

I thought it would have been Reverend Wright.//

11 lawhawk  Tue, May 28, 2013 5:27:50pm

re: #8 AntonSirius

Scottish erotic cakes. Because if they’re not Scottish, they’re crap.

12 AntonSirius  Tue, May 28, 2013 5:28:26pm

re: #4 Gus

…Dean was later inspired by the courageous independent journalism of Andrew Breitbart and seeks to answer the call for many more to become Andrew Breitbarts…

We are all semi-coherent, wine-besotted fabulists now.

13 lawhawk  Tue, May 28, 2013 5:30:09pm

This Kevin DuJan is a real piece of work. He puts the fever in the fever swamps.

14 AlexRogan  Tue, May 28, 2013 5:31:27pm

re: #11 lawhawk

Scottish erotic cakes. Because if they’re not Scottish, they’re crap.

Nice So I Married an Axe Murderer refeference there ;-P

15 engineer cat  Tue, May 28, 2013 5:32:51pm

re: #11 lawhawk

Scottish erotic cakes. Because if they’re not Scottish, they’re crap crrrraep.

fyt

16 Gus  Tue, May 28, 2013 5:33:08pm

This is so, so fucking stupid.

DuJan also suggests the president sought out gay entertainment when he left the next day for Las Vegas, writing that Obama was, “jetting off to fabulous Las Vegas for a fun-and-games fundraiser event he had scheduled there (where, it also should be noted, not only Chippendales but also Thunder From Down Under male revues are regularly held

17 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, May 28, 2013 5:35:30pm

re: #16 Gus

I always assume people going to Vegas are going there to look at naked Australian guys.

18 lawhawk  Tue, May 28, 2013 5:37:12pm

re: #17 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Well, it’s either that or Celine Dion. /

19 Gus  Tue, May 28, 2013 5:37:39pm

re: #17 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

I always assume people going to Vegas are going there to look at naked Australian guys.

Guess now we know why Mitt Romney was so happy to have Sheldon Adelson as a major bundler and spend so much time fund raising in Vegas. //

20 Kragar  Tue, May 28, 2013 5:37:43pm

It would be irresponsible not to ask.
///

21 The Mountain That Blogs  Tue, May 28, 2013 5:37:47pm
If you’ve ever known anyone who is a drug addict, you’d see it’s obvious that Barack Obama was high on cocaine the night of Benghazi; it is the only logical explanation for his disappearance and the White House’s refusal to comment on what he was doing at the time. Since this was a night of great crisis for our country, the only logical reason that the White House won’t explain where the president was is if this man was high as a kite on illegal narcotics at the time.

The only logical explanation?

Youtube Video

22 austin_blue  Tue, May 28, 2013 5:38:31pm

Gah! These people are ten pounds of shit in a two-pound bag.

23 EPR-radar  Tue, May 28, 2013 5:38:33pm

re: #16 Gus

Jim Hoft may need to put in some more effort to defend his title of ‘stupidest person on the internet’.

24 Gus  Tue, May 28, 2013 5:40:30pm

Oh boy. Over at his original page this comment…

Kevin DuJan says:
2013/05/25 at 7:11 am (Quote)

JC -

Look at Rock Hudson, and how his secrets were kept until after he died. Look at Liberace, Tab Hunter, Troy Donahue, James Dean, Cary Grant, Montgomery Clift. Heck, look at Tom Cruise and John Travolta today.

Democrats have recreated the old “studio system” that used to protect the gay Hollywood star…complete with a complicit media that refuses to write anything about Obama being gay, Obama using drugs, or any of the other bizarre things this man does. And people are either scared to speak out about what they know or they realize they can get good jobs or money from the Democrat machine if they keep quiet about what they know. This is very similar to what it was like in the Hollywood studio system days.

As for Michelle and the girls, Michelle is a knowing and opportunistic beard for Obama in much the same way that Mimi Rogers, Nicole Kidman, and poor Katie Holmes were beards for Tom Cruise. These women all choose to marry gay men because they get to live the high life and have everything they want from that deal…and as long as the man delivers the money, the fame, and the power they are perfectly willing to be their beard.

The daughters probably realize they have a gay daddy since it’s so weird for Reggie Love to be around all the time, but the daughters certainly aren’t going to out their daddy when he’s on the down-low.

25 Gus  Tue, May 28, 2013 5:41:24pm

I would gladly retract this story if the White House would sufficiently explain Barack Obama’s whereabouts during those missing hours and prove he was not out of his mind on cocaine at the time (or gluttonously engaged in gay sex, as my friend Justine believes).

networkedblogs.com

26 AntonSirius  Tue, May 28, 2013 5:41:53pm

re: #18 lawhawk

Well, it’s either that or Celine Dion. /

Nothing says ‘secret homosexual lifestyle’ like front row tickets to Celine.

27 Kid A  Tue, May 28, 2013 5:42:19pm

What is it with the loons on the right and their fascination with gays?

28 Gus  Tue, May 28, 2013 5:42:31pm

Congratulation conservatives. This is you.

29 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Tue, May 28, 2013 5:43:17pm

re: #24 Gus

The old system didn’t protect the gay stars, it humiliated them and forced them into terrified secrecy.

Even today, it’s very hard for an openly gay actor to get lead roles.

30 jaunte  Tue, May 28, 2013 5:45:19pm

re: #27 Kid A

What is it with the loons on the right and their fascination with gays?

Scott Lively of Defend the Family:
rightwingwatch.org
Jerome Corsi:
rightwingwatch.org
Vic Eliason (Crosstalk host and VCY America founder):
rightwingwatch.org

31 Charles Johnson  Tue, May 28, 2013 5:45:40pm

I find it very suspicious that the Examiner deleted this wonderful article. They must be in on the plot.

32 Bubblehead II  Tue, May 28, 2013 5:46:11pm

Ya know, I am beyond the Ironfist rule. But this screed even far exeeds even my worst post while drinking. nNght Lizards. Sleep well

33 Kragar  Tue, May 28, 2013 5:46:35pm

re: #31 Charles Johnson

I find it very suspicious that the Examiner deleted this wonderful article. They must be in on the plot.

Its the only logical explanation.

34 Vicious Babushka  Tue, May 28, 2013 5:47:28pm
I would gladly retract this story if the White House would sufficiently explain Barack Obama’s whereabouts during those missing hours and prove he was not out of his mind on cocaine at the time (or gluttonously engaged in gay sex, as my friend Justine believes)

AND NOT ONLY THAT BUT THE WHITE HOUSE HAS STILL NOT PROVEN THAT BARRY “BEELZEBUB” SOETORO’S BIRTH CERTIFICATE IS NOT A DEMONIC FORGERY WRITTEN IN HUMAN BLOOD ON THE HUMAN SKIN OF A NON-VIRGIN SLAUGHTERED AT MIDNIGHT ON THE BLACK BELTANE SABBAT IN THE NAME OF SATAN.

35 Mattand  Tue, May 28, 2013 5:47:40pm

re: #28 Gus

Congratulation conservatives. This is you.

This was my second thought when I saw this article.* This kind of touches on the “Nikki Haley hiring a racist hate group leader” story from earlier.

Anyone voting Republican these days really needs to re-examine their priorities. Seriously, conservatives, look at your political world. You really need to re-check your shame meters.

*My first was “I’m surprised that Gateway Pundit hasn’t run with this idiocy.”

36 EPR-radar  Tue, May 28, 2013 5:48:09pm

re: #27 Kid A

What is it with the loons on the right and their fascination with gays?

In many cases (e.g., Bryan Fischer), one ends up speculating that repressed urges are the root cause of the obsession.

For DuJan, no speculation is needed. The man is clearly self-loathing about his orientation.

37 Gus  Tue, May 28, 2013 5:48:14pm

ZORRO says:
2013/05/26 at 1:03 pm (Quote)

Don’t forget that Barry aka Barack H. Obama is an OPERATIVE of the COUNCIL ON FOREIGN RELATIONS, and the CFR own the secret service the CIA, the judiciary, the media and both political parties, Obama is their man to bring about the NEW WORLD ORDER, did they appoint him because, due to his inability to offer proof that he really is a natural born citizen, and they can blackmail him with their knowledge about all of his ILLEGAL DRUGS AND HOMOSEXUAL SEXUAL ESCAPADE that they can ged rid of him any time they want if Obama does not follow their orders?, it is evident that Obama is a PUPPET OF THE CFR, he can’t produce any coherent argument when he is not fallowing his CFR controlled teleprompter.

38 jaunte  Tue, May 28, 2013 5:48:43pm

re: #35 Mattand

“I’m surprised that Gateway Pundit hasn’t run with this idiocy.”

Momentary exhaustion from evading his last bet.

39 Kragar  Tue, May 28, 2013 5:49:49pm

Gaffney: Obama to Blame for Rise in Military Sexual Assaults for Encouraging Gays & Women to Serve

Frank Gaffney today made the case on Sandy Rios in the Morning that the increase in the sexual assault rate in the Armed Forces is President Obama’ fault because of his efforts to encourage women and gay people to serve.

That must be it. It couldn’t possibly be because the number of incidents have always been high, but people are more willing to report the incidents because they hope the administration will actually be willing to deal with the problem instead of brushing it under the rug.

40 EPR-radar  Tue, May 28, 2013 5:50:47pm

re: #35 Mattand

This was my second thought when I saw this article.* This kind of touches on the “Nikki Haley hiring a racist hate group leader” story from earlier.

Anyone voting Republican these days really needs to re-examine their priorities. Seriously, conservatives, look at your political world. You really need to re-check your shame meters.

*My first was “I’m surprised that Gateway Pundit hasn’t run with this idiocy.”

There remains a difference between the likes of DuJan et al. and GOP leaders and elected officials. However, that difference is decreasing over time as the GOP itself gets crazier.

41 Vicious Babushka  Tue, May 28, 2013 5:52:09pm

Obama is utterly faithful to Michelle, which is so disturbing to wingnuts, who have a stereotype of the oversexed black man (“Where the white women at!”) that they have to make up a silly lie that he must be gay, since he isn’t running after white womens.

42 AntonSirius  Tue, May 28, 2013 5:52:38pm

re: #31 Charles Johnson

I find it very suspicious that the Examiner deleted this wonderful article. They must be in on the plot.

It’s well-known that only closeted gay men have the instinct for secrecy demonstrated by the Examiner’s deletion.

43 Gus  Tue, May 28, 2013 5:53:13pm

re: #39 Kragar

Gaffney: Obama to Blame for Rise in Military Sexual Assaults for Encouraging Gays & Women to Serve

That must be it. It couldn’t possibly be because the number of incidents have always been high, but people are more willing to report the incidents because they hope the administration will actually be willing to deal with the problem instead of brushing it under the rug.

There’s that good old fashioned personal responsibility. It’s not the perpetrators fault they’re committing sexual assault. It because they’re now allowing gays in the military. “The homosexuals made me do it!”

44 wrenchwench  Tue, May 28, 2013 5:56:49pm
45 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 28, 2013 5:57:31pm

re: #37 Gus

First I’ve ever seen an attempt to link the CFR with teh gay. So he gets a 8/10 for originality.

46 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 28, 2013 5:57:53pm

re: #44 wrenchwench

Awesome, awesome.

48 wrenchwench  Tue, May 28, 2013 6:00:11pm

re: #46 HappyWarrior

Awesome, awesome.

Yeah, he’s looking much better than the last time I saw him.

Later, lizards.

49 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 28, 2013 6:01:06pm

re: #39 Kragar

Gaffney: Obama to Blame for Rise in Military Sexual Assaults for Encouraging Gays & Women to Serve

That must be it. It couldn’t possibly be because the number of incidents have always been high, but people are more willing to report the incidents because they hope the administration will actually be willing to deal with the problem instead of brushing it under the rug.

Gaffney’s just mad because the military will never be the onward Christian soldiers of his theocratic wet dreams.Someone may want to remind him that every country in NATO as well as Israel allows gays and women to serve. Unless Frank is suggesting that we emulate China, Saudi Arabia, Iran, and NOrth Korea……..

50 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 28, 2013 6:01:44pm
51 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, May 28, 2013 6:04:06pm

re: #27 Kid A

What is it with the loons on the right and their fascination with gays?

Because of a complex admixture of ideology and vanity that celebrates masculinity as violent, dominant, and unhindered by empathy or regret, while characterizing the complementary “feminine” qualities as repugnant or worthless outside of the domestic sphere (the latter also coded as female). This coding emanates from conception of proper intimate relationship: who fucks and is fucked is inherently gendered, as is the permissibility of enjoyment of sex, the “proper” initiation of sex, and moral fallout of sex activity.

The accusation of gay sex, and the implication of being the penetrated rather the penetrator and thus coded as female/weak/not-a-full-person. “X is fucking another man*” is thus a kind of compressed allusion to all of the negative, coded-female traits that their authoritarian masculinity despises.

*Inherent in this coding system is that when engage in behavior coded as “male,” it is contradictory to complementary gender and thus aberrant, even though the male-coded behavior/traits are held as positive personal traits.

That’s how patriarchy rolls.

52 Gus  Tue, May 28, 2013 6:04:50pm
53 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 28, 2013 6:06:11pm

re: #51 The Ghost of a Flea

Because of a complex admixture of ideology and vanity that celebrates masculinity as violent, dominant, and unhindered by empathy or regret, while characterized the complementary “feminine” qualities as repugnant or worthless outside of the domestic sphere (the latter also coded as female). This coding emanates from conception of proper intimate relationship: who fucks and is fucked is inherently gendered, as is the permissibility of enjoyment of sex, the “proper” initiation of sex, and moral fallout of sex activity.

The accusation of gay sex, and the implication of being the penetrated rather the penetrator and thus coded as female/weak/not-a-full-person. “X is fucking another man*” is thus a kind of compressed allusion to all of the negative, coded-female traits that their authoritarian masculinity despises.

[sub]*Inherent in this coding system is that when engage in behavior coded as “male,” it is contradictory to complementary gender and thus aberrant, even though the male-coded behavior/traits are held as positive personal traits.[/sub]

That’s how patriarchy rolls.

What I funny about is their obsession with the idea that all gay males are somehow effeminate and the reason why they’re gay is because they weren’t exposed to “manly” activities as kids. Same thing with lesbians. Frankly, I find it pretty creepy that they’re obsessed with forcing young boys and girls to do only “manly” and “girly” things.

55 Vicious Babushka  Tue, May 28, 2013 6:06:56pm

TEH BUTTHURT IS HARD

56 Kragar  Tue, May 28, 2013 6:09:12pm

Republicans get three times more ‘false’ ratings from PolitiFact than Democrats

The Center for Media and Public Affairs at George Mason University found Republican’s had made three times as many false statements as Democrats this year.

PolitiFact examines a variety of political statements and assigns a “Truth-O-Meter” rating to each one. For their analysis, the researchers examined 100 “Truth-O-Meter” ratings of Republican and Democratic statements between January 20 through May 22.

PolitiFact rated 32 percent of Republican statements as “false” or “pants on fire,” compared to 11 percent of Democratic claims, according to a news release.

“While Republicans see a credibility gap in the Obama administration, PolitiFact rates Republicans as the less credible party,” CMPA President Dr Robert Lichter said.

A similar analysis published by the Center for Media and Public Affairs last year looked at election-related statements and found similar results. PolitiFact rated Republican statements as false roughly twice as often as Democratic statements between June 1, 2012 to September 11, 2012.

57 Kragar  Tue, May 28, 2013 6:11:13pm

re: #55 Vicious Babushka

Image: ann-romney-michelle-obama-clothes-660-reuters.jpg

Who wears a fish? Really?

58 Gus  Tue, May 28, 2013 6:12:02pm

re: #55 Vicious Babushka

TEH BUTTHURT IS HARD

Ha ha! They lost. Obama won.

59 Charles Johnson  Tue, May 28, 2013 6:12:07pm

re: #56 Kragar

Yup. Despite Politifact’s very obvious leaning-over-backward to give equal credence to right wing claims.

60 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 28, 2013 6:14:52pm

re: #55 Vicious Babushka

TEH BUTTHURT IS HARD

She looks normal to me. No wonder why they hate her so much. I mean I know we can’t all be perfect like Ann and Mitt Romney.//

61 AntonSirius  Tue, May 28, 2013 6:15:54pm

re: #55 Vicious Babushka

TEH BUTTHURT IS HARD

I see that tweet and can’t wait for the dustbin of history to swallow up such nonsense whole.

62 thatthatisis  Tue, May 28, 2013 6:16:30pm

Sorry, I haven’t had a chance to read the article about Obama being a crack-addicted gay traitor, because I was fascinated by the FreeRepublic’s write up of Obama being behind the “mysterious” deaths of two FBI agents who died during a training exercise, and who were allegedly part of the FBI team assigned to the Boston bombing. It’s obvious, isn’t it? The only logical conclusion, of course. Michelle’s ugly dresses, Obama’s murdering FBI agents - it’s all part and parcel of the same vague, horrifying, Muslim-based PLOT.

63 nines09  Tue, May 28, 2013 6:16:42pm

I knew that story was bogus. Obama was huffing glue while watching anime porn in a bubble bath in the secret bubble bath room of the White House while texting the ghost of Liberace.
That makes more sense.

64 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, May 28, 2013 6:16:57pm

re: #53 HappyWarrior

What I funny about is their obsession with the idea that all gay males are somehow effeminate and the reason why they’re gay is because they weren’t exposed to “manly” activities as kids. Same thing with lesbians. Frankly, I find it pretty creepy that they’re obsessed with forcing young boys and girls to do only “manly” and “girly” things.

Complementarianism—the idea that the genders are inherently different—is a big part of the paleoconservative, Religious-Right wing of US politics. The concept of Biblical patriarchy is held up as not only moral, but as sacred: there’s should be a stern father figure, a wife that understands her role a help-meet to the former, and children who understand that their father is an authority that cannot be questioned on matters of punishment, morality, and worldview. Corporal punishment is, of course, a must; the same folks also tacitly approve of “disciplining” your wife.

And I’m not being crude by putting it in sex terms. All this social stuff is interlinked with their worldview of how to fuck.

65 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 28, 2013 6:22:13pm

re: #64 The Ghost of a Flea

Complementarianism—the idea that the genders are inherently different—is a big part of the paleoconservative, Religious-Right wing of US politics. The concept of Biblical patriarchy is held up as not only moral, but as sacred: there’s should be a stern father figure, a wife that understands her role a help-meet to the former, and children who understand that their father is an authority that cannot be questioned on matters of punishment, morality, and worldview. Corporal punishment is, of course, a must; the same folks also tacitly approve of “disciplining” your wife.

And I’m not being crude by putting it in sex terms. All this social stuff is interlinked with their worldview of how to fuck.

They’re creepy dinosaurs.

66 austin_blue  Tue, May 28, 2013 6:22:36pm

re: #44 wrenchwench

Heartbreaking. Such a young man so horribly maimed. But if you look at the wounded from Iraq…

No, no. He’s not alone. But those young men and women were volunteers who wanted to fight the “Total War Against Terror” (TWAT) and instead were sent to the Sectarian Meat Grinder on the Euphrates.

67 lawhawk  Tue, May 28, 2013 6:22:55pm

re: #63 nines09

I knew that story was bogus. Obama was huffing glue while watching anime porn in a bubble bath in the secret bubble bath room of the White House while texting the ghost of Liberace.
That makes more sense.

The truth is scarier than that. South Park’s Parker and Stone were in on it - they even telegraphed the reality.

McCain and Obama were in on this. Why else would McCain go talk to the rebels in Syria with the White House knowing. It’s all part of the plan to steal the Hope Diamond from the Smithsonian. The 2012 election was just a smokescreen to give McCain the opportunity to track down an even larger diamond and carry out the heist of a lifetime.

But you didn’t hear that from me. /

68 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 28, 2013 6:23:45pm

re: #67 lawhawk

The truth is scarier than that. South Park’s Parker and Stone were in on it - they even telegraphed the reality.

McCain and Obama were in on this. Why else would McCain go talk to the rebels in Syria with the White House knowing. It’s all part of the plan to steal the Hope Diamond from the Smithsonian. The 2012 election was just a smokescreen to give McCain the opportunity to track down an even larger diamond and carry out the heist of a lifetime.

But you didn’t hear that from me. /

Palin’s actually a British actress, yes? Ike was in on it too.

69 EPR-radar  Tue, May 28, 2013 6:23:51pm

re: #64 The Ghost of a Flea

Complementarianism is a small part of the picture.

In RW patriarchy, men are superior to women. Arguments about inherent differences between the genders (which exist, but are irrelevant in nearly all circumstances) are only used to support the underlying patriarchal world view.

I’m reminded of racists going on about group differences in IQ scores.

70 nines09  Tue, May 28, 2013 6:24:01pm

re: #67 lawhawk

The truth is scarier than that. South Park’s Parker and Stone were in on it - they even telegraphed the reality.

McCain and Obama were in on this. Why else would McCain go talk to the rebels in Syria with the White House knowing. It’s all part of the plan to steal the Hope Diamond from the Smithsonian. The 2012 election was just a smokescreen to give McCain the opportunity to track down an even larger diamond and carry out the heist of a lifetime.

But you didn’t hear that from me. /

I heard nothing. Shhhhh…..

71 jaunte  Tue, May 28, 2013 6:24:09pm

Family Research Council Radio Funnies:

Tony Perkins wonders if he can come out “and declare that I’m straight and the fact that I’m proud that God made me this way;” Peter Sprigg says no “because that would be considered hostile.”
rightwingwatch.org

72 thedopefishlives  Tue, May 28, 2013 6:25:04pm

Evening Lizardim.

73 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 28, 2013 6:26:12pm

re: #71 jaunte

Family Research Council Radio Funnies:

Hey Tony how about you answer some questions about why you used a KKK leader’s mailing list to enlist support for your disgusting organization. I’d rather defend my LGBT friends every day of the week and then some then elicit support from David Duke fans.

74 Kragar  Tue, May 28, 2013 6:26:31pm

re: #71 jaunte

Family Research Council Radio Funnies:

People who are confident and unashamed about their sexual identities don’t form national organizations to dictate who consenting adults should sleep with.

75 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 28, 2013 6:27:59pm

re: #74 Kragar

People who are confident and unashamed about their sexual identities don’t form national organizations to dictate who consenting adults should sleep with.

So true. Their obsession with the sex life of consenting adults is just creepy. But hey they’re for freedom- freedom to tell others how they can fuck. Perkins can go piss up a rope.

76 thedopefishlives  Tue, May 28, 2013 6:31:38pm

re: #75 HappyWarrior

So true. Their obsession with the sex life of consenting adults is just creepy. But hey they’re for freedom- freedom to tell others how they can fuck. Perkins can go piss up a rope.

Funny thing is, if you condemned their stodgy, old-fashioned, and backward bedroom practices, they’d scream bloody murder about how you are suppressing their freedoms.

77 EPR-radar  Tue, May 28, 2013 6:33:07pm

re: #76 thedopefishlives

Funny thing is, if you condemned their stodgy, old-fashioned, and backward bedroom practices, they’d scream bloody murder about how you are suppressing their freedoms.

They scream bloody murder about their oppression when they aren’t able to legislate their hate, or express their hate without being called on it.

Such delicate flowers they are…

78 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 28, 2013 6:35:35pm

re: #76 thedopefishlives

Funny thing is, if you condemned their stodgy, old-fashioned, and backward bedroom practices, they’d scream bloody murder about how you are suppressing their freedoms.

Shit man, they think that by allowing other people the choice not to do things their way, that itself is a form of persecution in their eyes. They have a problem not only with the Roe decision but also the Eisenstadt and Griswold decisions that stopped the criminalization of birth control. They’re reactionaries.

79 Kragar  Tue, May 28, 2013 6:36:25pm

Conservatives in action:

“We should have a national gun control policy.”
“STATES RIGHTS!”
“Okay, so states can legalize gay marriage and marijuana?”
“THAT VIOLATES FEDERAL LAW!”

80 ProTARDISLiberal  Tue, May 28, 2013 6:36:51pm

Hey Lawhawk, get on here! :P

81 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 28, 2013 6:36:55pm

re: #77 EPR-radar

They scream bloody murder about their oppression when they aren’t able to legislate their hate, or express their hate without being called on it.

Such delicate flowers they are…

Yeah you point out that prohibiting gays from enjoying equal rights is in fact discrimination and they claim that’s discriminating to them.

82 Charles Johnson  Tue, May 28, 2013 6:37:02pm

The tree of liberty is a delicate flower and must occasionally be watered with the bitter tears of persecuted crackpots.

83 Kragar  Tue, May 28, 2013 6:38:16pm

re: #82 Charles Johnson

The tree of liberty is a delicate flower and must occasionally be watered with the bitter tears of persecuted crackpots.

You rang?

84 darthstar  Tue, May 28, 2013 6:39:00pm

I wonder how many advertisers they lost before they pulled that article…I’m guessing quite a few.

85 thedopefishlives  Tue, May 28, 2013 6:40:04pm

re: #78 HappyWarrior

Shit man, they think that by allowing other people the choice not to do things their way, that itself is a form of persecution in their eyes. They have a problem not only with the Roe decision but also the Eisenstadt and Griswold decisions that stopped the criminalization of birth control. They’re reactionaries.

Yeah, I know. They’ve elevated the art of victimhood to legendary status.

86 austin_blue  Tue, May 28, 2013 6:40:07pm

re: #75 HappyWarrior

So true. Their obsession with the sex life of consenting adults is just creepy. But hey they’re for freedom- freedom to tell others how they can fuck. Perkins can go piss up a rope.

“Oral Deviance” was considered sodomy between married couples until, I believe, 1976 in Virginia. The same law prohibited bestiality, necrophilia, and up the butt, Bob.

87 ContraryLemming  Tue, May 28, 2013 6:40:18pm

re: #24 Gus

Oh boy. Over at his original page this comment…

…aaaaannd that’s the Scientology lawyers on the phone. What’s that? Seize all assets and chattels? (covers mouthpiece with one hand)

“Delete that post! Delete! Delete!”

88 thedopefishlives  Tue, May 28, 2013 6:40:42pm

re: #82 Charles Johnson

The tree of liberty is a delicate flower and must be occasionally watered with the bitter tears of persecuted crackpots.

They also taste good as a marinade for gamey troll buttocks. Who knew?

89 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 28, 2013 6:41:08pm

re: #85 thedopefishlives

Yeah, I know. They’ve elevated the art of victimhood to legendary status.

You have to admire their stones. It takes stones to claim that you’re the bullied one when you’re trying to modify law to discriminate against people

90 austin_blue  Tue, May 28, 2013 6:41:24pm

re: #82 Charles Johnson

The tree of liberty is a delicate flower and must occasionally be watered with the bitter tears of persecuted crackpots.

{sniff}

That was beautiful, man.

91 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, May 28, 2013 6:41:45pm

re: #78 HappyWarrior

Shit man, they think that by allowing other people the choice not to do things their way, that itself is a form of persecution in their eyes. They have a problem not only with the Roe decision but also the Eisenstadt and Griswold decisions that stopped the criminalization of birth control. They’re reactionaries.

…and about three out of ten of them have problems with Loving vs Virginia….

The ideology is really just noise. Cut to the quick, and it’s about creating a new, un-equal society where discrimination is hard-coded and laws are built to applied un-equally.

92 darthstar  Tue, May 28, 2013 6:41:47pm
93 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 28, 2013 6:43:13pm

re: #92 darthstar

I’d rather live a good happy life than be saved. I don’t need the approval of an organization that has coddled pedophiles and cozied up with fascists. Not being Anti-Catholic but the Vatican is not a moral authority I respect.

94 thedopefishlives  Tue, May 28, 2013 6:44:34pm

re: #89 HappyWarrior

You have to admire their stones. It takes stones to claim that you’re the bullied one when you’re trying to codify law to discriminate against people

They get away with it because they know none of the loyal faithful will question their bullshit. Honestly, the way some fundamentalist churches conduct business, they jump all over anyone who dares to question a word of what The Church proclaims. It’s a brainwashing operation on a massive scale. I hate to speak against my own religion thus, but they misuse and abuse it so badly, I can’t be part of the implicit acceptance.

95 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, May 28, 2013 6:45:10pm

re: #79 Kragar

Conservatives in action:

“We should have a national gun control policy.”
“STATES RIGHTS!”
“Okay, so states can legalize gay marriage and marijuana?”
“THAT VIOLATES FEDERAL LAW!”

“Slavery and the 3/5s compromise are all kinds of problematic for our civil-liberties and equal represenation.”
“STATES RIGHTS!”
“Okay, so states can choose not to enforce Fugitive Slave Laws.”
“THAT VIOLATES FEDERAL LAW!”

96 EPR-radar  Tue, May 28, 2013 6:46:10pm

re: #91 The Ghost of a Flea

…and about three out of ten of them have problems with Loving vs Virginia….

The ideology is really just noise. Cut to the quick, and it’s about creating a new, un-equal society where discrimination is hard-coded and laws are built to applied un-equally.

I wouldn’t say their vision is of a new unequal society —- perfectly acceptable wingnut models of governance have been the norm rather than the exception in history. What they object to is taking enlightenment ideals of equality and justice seriously.

Political conservatism was first explicitly articulated in reaction to the French revolution. Prior to that, there was no need to have a special term for business as usual.

97 Gus  Tue, May 28, 2013 6:47:01pm
98 Gus  Tue, May 28, 2013 6:48:37pm

Also remember that one of the founders of the JBS is the father of the Koch brothers.

99 Gus  Tue, May 28, 2013 6:50:42pm
100 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 28, 2013 6:52:16pm

re: #99 Gus

So stupidity is one of the things that is bigger in Texas.

101 Gus  Tue, May 28, 2013 6:53:16pm

re: #100 HappyWarrior

So stupidity is one of the things that is bigger in Texas.

You need a big brain to fit all that stupid which means you’ll probably need a 10 gallon hat. //

102 Charles Johnson  Tue, May 28, 2013 6:59:48pm

re: #97 Gus

Dean Chambers Goes Old School Bircher

The test of the true wingnut crackpot. Fluoridation.

103 jonhendry  Tue, May 28, 2013 6:59:51pm

re: #99 Gus

And yet they executed an innocent man because of a fire.

104 EPR-radar  Tue, May 28, 2013 7:02:07pm

re: #103 jonhendry

And yet they executed an innocent man because of a fire.

That doesn’t mean fires are bad or should be reduced in numbers/severity with a fire code.

All it means is that the judicial murder machine in TX needs to have inputs from time to time.

105 Kragar  Tue, May 28, 2013 7:02:52pm

re: #97 Gus

Dean Chambers Goes Old School Bircher

You can form callouses on a gland buried in the brain?

106 Kragar  Tue, May 28, 2013 7:05:45pm

I expect the GOP to take this news calmly and not jump to conclusions or engage in hyperbole laced rhetoric:

Two U.S. Officials Shot In Altercation At Venezuelan Strip Club

107 Gus  Tue, May 28, 2013 7:06:07pm
108 jonhendry  Tue, May 28, 2013 7:10:08pm

re: #105 Kragar

As one of the commenters at Dispatches found, what Chambers posted isn’t even a pineal gland. It’s rat stomach lining, comparing one from a rat with a functioning pineal gland, to an ulcerated one from a rat whose pineal gland was removed or damaged.

Fluoride wasn’t involved in the photographed giblets at all.

109 Kragar  Tue, May 28, 2013 7:13:10pm

re: #108 jonhendry

As one of the commenters at Dispatches found, what Chambers posted isn’t even a pineal gland. It’s rat stomach lining, comparing one from a rat with a functioning pineal gland, to an ulcerated one from a rat whose pineal gland was removed or damaged.

Fluoride wasn’t involved in the photographed giblets at all.

That is just what a commie pinko would say.

110 Gus  Tue, May 28, 2013 7:15:08pm
111 Stanghazi  Tue, May 28, 2013 7:15:47pm

re: #107 Gus

Classic

112 Vicious Babushka  Tue, May 28, 2013 7:16:29pm

Wonkette pwns “Teh Mad Jewess”

Laughed so hard I almost peed.

113 Kragar  Tue, May 28, 2013 7:21:43pm

re: #112 Vicious Babushka

Wonkette pwns “Teh Mad Jewess”

Laughed so hard I almost peed.

Youtube Video

114 Romantic Heretic  Tue, May 28, 2013 7:27:01pm

re: #94 thedopefishlives

They get away with it because they know none of the loyal faithful will question their bullshit. Honestly, the way some fundamentalist churches conduct business, they jump all over anyone who dares to question a word of what The Church proclaims. It’s a brainwashing operation on a massive scale. I hate to speak against my own religion thus, but they misuse and abuse it so badly, I can’t be part of the implicit acceptance.

A fascinating book on this subject: Holy Terror: The Fundamentalist War on America’s Freedoms in Religion, Politics, and Our Private Lives

It’s by the same people that wrote an equally fascinating book on cults: Snapping: America’s Epidemic of Sudden Personality Change.

They wrote Holy Terror after Snapping. While the authors were touring a lot of people talked to them worried because friends or family had been acting strangely or estranged themselves. But it was more often that said friends and family were involved in a fundamentalist Christian Church than a cult.

Whats especially interesting about Holy Terror is that even though the book is thirty years old, you can see the foundation for American politics as it now stands.

115 Tigger2  Tue, May 28, 2013 7:30:43pm

re: #56 Kragar

Republicans get three times more ‘false’ ratings from PolitiFact than Democrats

That seems a bit low I think it should be 5 or 6 times higher. lol

116 Dark_Falcon  Tue, May 28, 2013 7:33:19pm

re: #13 lawhawk

This Kevin DuJan is a real piece of work. He puts the fever in the fever swamps.

A true piece of filth. Anything associated with him belongs in the ‘Blinded by Hatred’ folder.

117 Tigger2  Tue, May 28, 2013 7:34:37pm

re: #71 jaunte

Family Research Council Radio Funnies:

But I don’t believe god would be to proud of the way Tony Perkins acts or what he says.

118 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, May 28, 2013 7:47:36pm

re: #117 Tigger2

But I don’t believe god would be to proud of the way Tony Perkins acts or what he says.

DO NOT TELL THE GREAT AND TERRIBLE ZARDOZ WHAT HE IS AND IS NOT PROUD OF.

119 dragonath  Tue, May 28, 2013 7:51:02pm

Examiner.com has some crazy stuff on it. Here is the opening paragraph of a actual article published by them.

Andrea Zelinski of the Democratic Nashville CityPaper covered State Democratic reaction to the Tennessee Democratic Party’s generational-scale Statewide defeat. True to form, Democrats were in deep denial, even going so far as to assert that in defeating Rep. Jim Gotto (R-Nashville) and replacing him with Nashville/Davidson Metro Councilman Darren Jernigan (D) in a district that tends to trend Democratic in the first place somehow equates to Statewide gains for Democrats in Tennessee.

News flash to Craig, Mike, Jim, and what’s left of the Democratic apparatus: You all got your hindquarters handed to you seasoned and chicken-fried on a silver platter Tuesday night. You lost six more seats in the House and six more seats in the Senate. The Republicans don’t even need any of you around to conduct business. You went from being the minority to being completely insignificant. Losing is now the new winning for Tennessee Democrats.

On the other hand, this is a nice illustration of “bitter in victory” as any.

120 stabby  Tue, May 28, 2013 8:01:13pm

Crazy crazy shit.

I hope we see this mentioned often by Lindsy Graham… with the caveat that he can’t be playing with his nipples when he talks about it.

I checked over at PJ Media to see if they’re running with this. They’re not. The only link that looked worth following was Zombie [who’s given herself the tag-line “looking at the world through truth colored glasses”] saying that Karl Marx would approve of the tea party.

Beyond some mad description of the government as a corporation that life is too short for anyone to read, her reasoning is impeccable. She says that Marxism is “the politics of resentment” where greedy lazy people try to steal everything from productive people and elites destroy all that wealth and make their country poor.. And then she says that the US has become a place where more than 50% of the people are parasites and the tea party is the politics of resenting those poor people. Nice.

She left out the part where the tea party destroys our wealth and makes the country into a third world hell-hole. But other than than kudos!

By the way she thinks this description is a complement to the tea party. Her readers mostly aren’t amused. Marx = Satan.

121 Gus  Tue, May 28, 2013 8:02:53pm


Whatever.

122 engineer cat  Tue, May 28, 2013 8:04:59pm

Atheists Can’t Be Saved After All

so remember to spend all your atheists as soon as you earn them

123 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 28, 2013 8:06:02pm

re: #119 dragonath

Examiner.com has some crazy stuff on it. Here is the opening paragraph of a actual article published by them.

On the other hand, this is a nice illustration of “bitter in victory” as any.

Yeah top notch journalism right there but what can we really expect out of a publication who is convinced that Obama was in the middle of a gay tryst when Benghazi became known to the admin.

124 Gus  Tue, May 28, 2013 8:06:29pm


Actually it’s 5 astronauts and one American mother.

Sure enough 807 shows up in that Tweet. Argh. He/she’s my pal or something.

125 stabby  Tue, May 28, 2013 8:07:53pm

re: #124 Gus

At first glance “six” looked like “sex” to me. I just want statistics about how often people have had sex in space.

126 engineer cat  Tue, May 28, 2013 8:08:02pm

re: #121 Gus

Whatever.

i say send all the agnostics back to agnostistan

127 Gus  Tue, May 28, 2013 8:08:06pm

CAPE CANAVERAL, FLORIDA — A veteran Russian cosmonaut, a rookie Italian astronaut and an American mother on her second flight blasted off from the Baikonur Cosmodrome in Kazakhstan on Tuesday for a six-hour ride to the International Space Station.
— Reuters

128 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, May 28, 2013 8:08:38pm

re: #124 Gus

Actually it’s 5 astronauts and one American mother.

Sure enough 807 shows up in that Tweet. Argh. He/she’s my pal or something.

807 is an idjit.

129 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 28, 2013 8:08:44pm

re: #121 Gus

Whatever.

Loved this as an agnostic. His closing line to me sums up my philosophy.
I think we should have the humility to say: We don’t know.

130 stabby  Tue, May 28, 2013 8:09:13pm

I think “whatever” handily summarizes the differences between atheists and agnostics. Neither of them are believers in any religions.

131 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, May 28, 2013 8:09:38pm

re: #121 Gus

Whatever.

A difference that makes no difference.

132 Gus  Tue, May 28, 2013 8:09:52pm

re: #129 HappyWarrior

Loved this as an agnostic. His closing line to me sums up my philosophy.
I think we should have the humility to say: We don’t know.

That’s cool but I don’t do “we.” :D

133 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, May 28, 2013 8:10:03pm

re: #123 HappyWarrior

Yeah top notch journalism right there but what can we really expect out of a publication who is convinced that Obama was in the middle of a gay tryst when Benghazi became known to the admin.

But, but DuJan’s Gaydar is rated to detect Gay Radiation in emissions as small as 7 microliberaces…what other proof is needed?

134 sagehen  Tue, May 28, 2013 8:11:14pm

re: #129 HappyWarrior

Loved this as an agnostic. His closing line to me sums up my philosophy.
I think we should have the humility to say: We don’t know.

the agnostic creed:

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

135 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, May 28, 2013 8:11:39pm

re: #129 HappyWarrior

Loved this as an agnostic. His closing line to me sums up my philosophy.
I think we should have the humility to say: We don’t know.

If we never drew conclusions when faced with lower than 100% confidence levels, science would never conclude anything, nor would the courts.

136 Gus  Tue, May 28, 2013 8:12:13pm

If that’s the case then ANYTHING might be true.

Ghosts. We just don’t know.

137 Gus  Tue, May 28, 2013 8:12:22pm

Mermaids. We just don’t know.

138 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 28, 2013 8:12:37pm

re: #135 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

If we never drew conclusions when faced with lower than 100% confidence levels, science would never conclude anything, nor would the courts.

Sure but I think that’s a fair thing to state about something as abstract as there being a creator. Honestly, I’m of the thought that I want to live the best life I can regardless of there is or is not. I want to do people right. Want to leave a good mark.

139 Gus  Tue, May 28, 2013 8:13:07pm

Aliens. We just don’t know.
Astrology. We just don’t know.
Climate change. We just don’t know.

140 stabby  Tue, May 28, 2013 8:13:48pm

I am sure that all religions are pure bullshit.
I also don’t claim to know anything about questions like “why is there something instead of nothing”. Nor do I know whether there are powerful beings like gods. I just know that humans hallucinate crap like that and it’s never true.

Does that make me an atheist or an agnostic?

141 Gus  Tue, May 28, 2013 8:13:57pm

Or my favorite. There’s a red VW Bus on Venus. You can’t prove me wrong can you.

142 Dark_Falcon  Tue, May 28, 2013 8:14:21pm

re: #133 The Ghost of a Flea

But, but DuJan’s Gaydar is rated to detect Gay Radiation in emissions as small as 7 microliberaces…what other proof is needed?

That’s too sensitive. Gaydar set to pick up emissions that small will get an unending series of false positives from metrosexuals.

/Must I?

143 stabby  Tue, May 28, 2013 8:14:50pm

re: #141 Gus

It’s more of an orange color.

144 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, May 28, 2013 8:15:01pm

re: #134 sagehen

the agnostic creed:

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

Science creed:

Nothing reaches 100% but the confluence of numerous lines of evidence adds up to accurate conclusions.

145 Gus  Tue, May 28, 2013 8:15:07pm

In any event. Half the time I mind my own business about my atheism. I don’t try and convert people. I typically only talk atheism with atheists.

146 stabby  Tue, May 28, 2013 8:16:02pm

Or another version of my faith. “I have faith that people talk bullshit and nothing but bullshit.”

147 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, May 28, 2013 8:16:10pm

re: #141 Gus

Or my favorite. There’s a red VW Bus on Venus. You can’t prove me wrong can you.

I know there is. I saw it there.

148 darthstar  Tue, May 28, 2013 8:18:37pm

re: #141 Gus

Or my favorite. There’s a red VW Bus on Venus. You can’t prove me wrong can you.

And it still can’t get to 50mph in under 13 seconds.

149 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 28, 2013 8:19:17pm

I’m certain of this. The natural world is infinitely fascinating as is.

150 stabby  Tue, May 28, 2013 8:20:20pm

Cool, needs a #tgdn tag or whatever that is

151 engineer cat  Tue, May 28, 2013 8:21:44pm

re: #140 stabby

I am sure that all religions are pure bullshit.
I also don’t claim to know anything about questions like “why is there something instead of nothing”. Nor do I know whether there are powerful beings like gods. I just know that humans hallucinate crap like that and it’s never true.

Does that make me an atheist or an agnostic?

have you guys ever read that ‘bicameral mind’ book?

152 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, May 28, 2013 8:22:20pm

re: #137 Gus

We look good with fins! Giggles.

153 engineer cat  Tue, May 28, 2013 8:25:05pm

microliberaces

i think anything smaller and you have to measure in anderson coopers

154 Gus  Tue, May 28, 2013 8:27:49pm

re: #149 HappyWarrior

I’m certain of this. The natural world is infinitely fascinating as is.

Life is complex. There are ups and downs. We are born and have this consciousness through the wonders of our biology developed through billions of years of evolution. We are not perfect. There is beauty. Sometimes even when things are broken. We feel sadness when people die but I often think after people die. We were lucky to have had him or her. There is the grandeur of the Grand Canyon. The beautiful sunset. Only to be followed by tooth aches and cancer. There is life. There is death. We can be walking along the sidewalk, the world at our command. Only to be crushed by an errant piano being delivered to a 4th story flat on the East Side.

155 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, May 28, 2013 8:29:14pm

re: #154 Gus

Life is complex. There are ups and downs. We are born and have this consciousness through the wonders of our biology developed through billions of years of evolution. We are not perfect. There is beauty. Sometimes even when things are broken. We feel sadness when people die but I often think after people die. We were lucky to have had him or her. There is the grandeur of the Grand Canyon. The beautiful sunset. Only to be followed by tooth aches and cancer. There is life. There is death. We can be walking along the sidewalk, the world at our command. Only to be crushed by an errant piano being delivered to a 4th story flat on the East Side.

Time to ban flying pianos.

156 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 28, 2013 8:29:41pm

re: #154 Gus

Life is complex. There are ups and downs. We are born and have this consciousness through the wonders of our biology developed through billions of years of evolution. We are not perfect. There is beauty. Sometimes even when things are broken. We feel sadness when people die but I often think after people die. We were lucky to have had him or her. There is the grandeur of the Grand Canyon. The beautiful sunset. Only to be followed by tooth aches and cancer. There is life. There is death. We can be walking along the sidewalk, the world at our command. Only to be crushed by an errant piano being delivered to a 4th story flat on the East Side.

Right on. I’ve always disagreed with those that say evolution takes away from our wonder, hell I’d say it deepens it. How we’ve gone from single cell organisms to being able to be doing what we’re doing now.

157 Gus  Tue, May 28, 2013 8:29:50pm

re: #155 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

Time to ban flying pianos.

Except in Texas. //

158 darthstar  Tue, May 28, 2013 8:30:07pm

Watched “Practical Magic” (Bullock/Kidman) with my wife last night. She said, “That was a waste of time.” I said, “Anything we do together isn’t a waste of time.” That earned a kiss and getting called a “silver-tongued Irish devil”…It’s not what you watch, but how you watch it.

159 HappyWarrior  Tue, May 28, 2013 8:30:09pm

re: #155 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

Time to ban flying pianos.

You can only buy one flying piano :). Two is too fattening.

160 Gus  Tue, May 28, 2013 8:30:55pm

re: #155 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

Time to ban flying pianos.

There’s always the proverbial 16 ton weight. //

161 Targetpractice  Tue, May 28, 2013 8:31:29pm

re: #158 darthstar

Watched “Practical Magic” (Bullock/Kidman) with my wife last night. She said, “That was a waste of time.” I said, “Anything we do together isn’t a waste of time.” That earned a kiss and getting called a “silver-tongued Irish devil”…It’s not what you watch, but how you watch it.

*whip cracking sound*

///

162 Walking Spanish Down the Hall  Tue, May 28, 2013 8:32:39pm

re: #160 Gus

There’s always the proverbial 16 ton weight. //

Only when attacked with a bunch of bananas.

163 Gus  Tue, May 28, 2013 8:33:22pm

re: #162 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

Only when attacked with a bunch of bananas.

Youtube Video

164 stabby  Tue, May 28, 2013 8:33:56pm
Despite speculating about Obama having gay tendencies, DuJan stated he believes the idea of getting high on cocaine that night is a much stronger explanation for Obama’s absense during those hours. DuJan explained, “once you take drugs you are pretty much on another astral plane for however long it takes for the drugs to leave your system.

“astral plane”? “astral plane?”
This guy sounds more like a hippy trolling.

165 Gus  Tue, May 28, 2013 8:33:59pm

Oddly enough. Creationists are an argument AGAINST evolution. //

166 Gus  Tue, May 28, 2013 8:34:45pm
167 engineer cat  Tue, May 28, 2013 8:36:42pm

re: #160 Gus

There’s always the proverbial 16 ton weight. //

reminds me of the story of some englishmen granted a magical wish who then asked for a million pounds

they forgot to specify a million pounds of what

168 AlexRogan  Tue, May 28, 2013 8:39:29pm

re: #161 Targetpractice

*whip cracking sound*

///

Whip it, whip it good…

169 jonhendry  Tue, May 28, 2013 8:41:11pm

Apologies for the wildly off-topic, but I just found out that Justine Bateman, Jason Bateman’s sister, Mallory from Family Ties…

Is enrolled as a freshman at UCLA and studying computer science.

I find that really quite impressive. Who knew?

170 Gus  Tue, May 28, 2013 8:42:27pm

The human body proves that the idea of a human designer is flawed.

171 engineer cat  Tue, May 28, 2013 8:44:46pm

re: #164 stabby

“astral plane”? “astral plane?”
This guy sounds more like a hippy trolling.

what’s all this i hear about assholes on a plane? is it anything like snakes on a plane?

172 Gus  Tue, May 28, 2013 8:45:10pm

Anywho. My punishment for being an atheist will mean I’ll be tortured for eternity. Thanks oh loving American God. :D

173 Lidane  Tue, May 28, 2013 8:52:23pm
I would gladly retract this story if the White House would sufficiently explain Barack Obama’s whereabouts during those missing hours and prove he was not out of his mind on cocaine at the time (or gluttonously engaged in gay sex, as my friend Justine believes).

Once more, with feeling:

174 jonhendry  Tue, May 28, 2013 8:53:02pm

re: #135 Walking Spanish Down the Hall

If we never drew conclusions when faced with lower than 100% confidence levels, science would never conclude anything, nor would the courts.

I think it’s more about leaving open the possibility that some evidence could be produced that would be strong enough to convince you of whatever.

You could be a wishy-washy agnostic, who looks at the current evidence for God, and says “well, it doesn’t convince me, but maybe I’m missing something, I don’t know, I’m not going to take a stand”, as if looking at the Bible again would be convincing.

Or you could be a nearly-atheistic agnostic, who says that no currently available evidence is convincing, but conceivably something in the future could occur that provides new conclusive evidence of God’s existence. In that case, you’re basically an atheist, but you’re granting the remote possibility that a cosmic being who supposedly created the universe and existed outside of time might be able to cause scientifically testable phenomena in the future that would prove his existence.

Some hard-core atheists don’t seem to grant even this minuscule possibility that they are wrong. Which seems odd given that some are scientists, who should be willing to change their views given solid new data. A scientist who declares that no evidence would convince them of something is a bit odd.

(Me? I’m an agnostic verging on atheism with a dash of Buddhist relish, hold the supernatural)

175 Lidane  Tue, May 28, 2013 8:54:46pm

re: #17 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

I always assume people going to Vegas are going there to look at naked Australian guys.

Only if we’re talking about the Hemsworth brothers and/or Hugh Jackman. Or some screaming hot surfer guy from Melbourne or Sydney.

Male strippers? Not so much.

176 engineer cat  Tue, May 28, 2013 9:00:49pm

re: #172 Gus

Anywho. My punishment for being an atheist will mean I’ll be tortured for eternity. Thanks oh loving American God. :D

if the system is like in dante then it might be more like an eternity of predicate logic and linear algebra

177 Gus  Tue, May 28, 2013 9:01:10pm

When you die your brain dies along with your death. There is no magic to your consciousness. Your thoughts. Your memories. They are all reliant on normal healthy biological functions. Once the blood and oxygen stops flowing to your brain it all comes to a halt.

178 Dark_Falcon  Tue, May 28, 2013 9:05:12pm

re: #177 Gus

If you do not want to believe in the soul, that’s your prerogative. But I do not agree.

179 Gus  Tue, May 28, 2013 9:05:27pm

Sorry but thems the breaks. Life really is linear.

180 Kragar  Tue, May 28, 2013 9:06:33pm

re: #173 Lidane

Once more, with feeling:

We cannot forgive Obama until he purifies himself in the waters of Lake Minnetonka.

181 Gus  Tue, May 28, 2013 9:07:37pm

re: #178 Dark_Falcon

If you do not want to believe in the soul, that’s your prerogative. But I do not agree.

So the soul is born of biology but where is the soul before birth? If there was a soul wouldn’t the soul exist before birth?

182 Gus  Tue, May 28, 2013 9:08:36pm
183 Gus  Tue, May 28, 2013 9:09:14pm

There’s a reason why they came up with the word “croak.”

184 Gus  Tue, May 28, 2013 9:10:22pm

Sorry. No life after death. You die and that’s it. Gone. Poof.

185 engineer cat  Tue, May 28, 2013 9:12:08pm

re: #177 Gus

When you die your brain dies along with your death. There is no magic to your consciousness. Your thoughts. Your memories. They are all reliant on normal healthy biological functions. Once the blood and oxygen stops flowing to your brain it all comes to a halt.

no known way to prove this or disprove it, at this point in time

there is no detailed physical/scientific/biological model describing the physical basis or operation of ‘consciousness’ yet

186 Gus  Tue, May 28, 2013 9:12:17pm
187 Gus  Tue, May 28, 2013 9:12:49pm

re: #185 engineer cat

no known way to prove this or disprove it, at this point in time

there is no detailed physical/scientific/biological model describing the physical basis or operation of ‘consciousness’ yet

Ah yes. So basically we’re still mind creationists.

188 Gus  Tue, May 28, 2013 9:13:42pm

That’s cool. This is like the black hold of creationism. The mind and the so called myth of the soul.

189 Gus  Tue, May 28, 2013 9:17:59pm

Until you can disprove my magic trick my magic trick might be true.

190 FemNaziBitch  Tue, May 28, 2013 9:18:22pm
191 engineer cat  Tue, May 28, 2013 9:21:16pm

re: #188 Gus

That’s cool. This is like the black hold of creationism. The mind and the so called myth of the soul.

maybe more of a myth-demeanor

seriously, we tend to forget that we are still at an early stage of scientific knowlege. the operation of consciousness is not well understood. hell, even the details of digestion are not well understood

192 Gus  Tue, May 28, 2013 9:21:50pm

I have my case. People have yet been able to prove that there is life after death. End of story there.

193 Gus  Tue, May 28, 2013 9:23:51pm

re: #191 engineer cat

maybe more of a myth-demeanor

seriously, we tend to forget that we are still at an early stage of scientific knowlege. the operation of consciousness is not well understood. hell, even the details of digestion are not well understood

The mind is reliant on a healthy biology. There’s no argument there. Otherwise what? People with Alzheimers have some so called “soul?”

194 FemNaziBitch  Tue, May 28, 2013 9:25:00pm

re: #192 Gus

I have my case. People have yet been able to prove that there is life after death. End of story there.

I’ll tell you what will happen to me. My bits and pieces (atoms etc) will be burned and only carbon will be left. That will be buried somewhere or spread in the wind or put on the curb with the other recycling.

Either way, that which was me will return to the planet and hopefully be reused as needed.

That is my version of life after death.

195 Gus  Tue, May 28, 2013 9:25:11pm

So Terri Schiavo was a cogent being?

196 Gus  Tue, May 28, 2013 9:25:49pm

And you don’t believe in “brain death?”

197 Gus  Tue, May 28, 2013 9:27:20pm

I realize this is like the third leg of creationism vs. evolution. But it really is interesting. People are like partial “believers” in evolution.

198 engineer cat  Tue, May 28, 2013 9:28:00pm

re: #196 Gus

you’re assuming a lot about what i might or might not believe

199 Gus  Tue, May 28, 2013 9:28:27pm

Hate to say it but. If you still believe in a soul you’re still pretty much a creationist of sorts.

200 Gus  Tue, May 28, 2013 9:29:28pm

re: #198 engineer cat

you’re assuming a lot about what i might or might not believe

Of course.

201 engineer cat  Tue, May 28, 2013 9:33:36pm

my father was a courtroom lawyer. his job was done when 12 people agreed with him that such-and-such a proposition was ‘obvious’ or ‘logical’

i’m an engineer. i’ve heard plenty of ‘logical’ and utterly convincing arguments about the cause, say, of a bug, only to find out that the ‘obvious’ explanation just wasn’t so

just because i don’t agree with you that something is ‘obviously’ true doesn’t mean i necessarily believe something else

it’s just that i withold judgement until i can see all the bits

202 Gus  Tue, May 28, 2013 9:35:00pm

So it’s not really science that you’re after but the political. You are willing to accept evolution up to a certain point.re: #201 engineer cat

my father was a courtroom lawyer. his job was done when 12 people agreed with him that such-and-such a proposition was ‘obvious’ or ‘logical’

i’m an engineer. i’ve heard plenty of ‘logical’ and utterly convincing arguments about the cause, say, of a bug, only to find out that the ‘obvious’ explanation just wasn’t so

just because i don’t agree with you that something is ‘obviously’ true doesn’t mean i necessarily believe something else

it’s just that i withold judgement until i can see all the bits

So basically creationism could still be true.

203 Gus  Tue, May 28, 2013 9:39:08pm
204 engineer cat  Tue, May 28, 2013 9:39:20pm

re: #202 Gus

here you are making many assumptions about things that you have no empirical evidence for, mainly about what you think i ‘must’ believe

that’s not very scientific of you

205 Gus  Tue, May 28, 2013 9:41:20pm

re: #204 engineer cat

here you are making many assumptions about things that you have no empirical evidence for, mainly about what you think i ‘must’ believe

that’s not very scientific of you

I brought my pencil!

206 122 Year Old Obama  Tue, May 28, 2013 9:41:33pm

re: #160 Gus

There’s always the proverbial 16 ton weight. //

I prefer the classic anvil.

207 Gus  Tue, May 28, 2013 9:45:11pm

re: #206 122 Year Old Obama

I prefer the classic anvil.

I ignore these people.

208 engineer cat  Tue, May 28, 2013 9:45:48pm

my contention is merely that things are not proven until they are proven. i thought you made a number of assertions about the truth of propositions that cannot as yet be proved or disproved

it is not scientific of you to extrapolate that into the belief that i must therefore believe something else

what do i believe? that there are a lot of things that we don’t understand and maybe never will, that’s what i believe

209 FemNaziBitch  Tue, May 28, 2013 9:46:04pm
210 FemNaziBitch  Tue, May 28, 2013 9:47:21pm
211 FemNaziBitch  Tue, May 28, 2013 9:48:35pm
212 FemNaziBitch  Tue, May 28, 2013 9:49:37pm

Tonite, in class, we learned about the different paths to citizenship and otherwise legal status in the US.

Basically, the anchor baby concept is a farce.

213 engineer cat  Tue, May 28, 2013 9:49:59pm

listen, you are just so certain that you “know” that consciousness has something that you call a ‘physical basis’

can i tell you? you sound like a 19th positivist living in a universe of newtonian physics

i think you should agree with lord kelvin that it’s now clear that everything important had already been invented

214 klys and whatnot  Tue, May 28, 2013 9:52:11pm

My week of attempting to shift time zones (and pretty much succeeding only at getting up on an approximate East Coast schedule while still going to bed on a West Coast one) ends tomorrow as I return to the one and true time zone.

Late in the evening, of course.

215 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, May 28, 2013 9:53:23pm

athiesm makes claims that are every bit as unfounded…as in unverifiable as religion does.

I would like to believe that there is a guiding force behind life. I just know that it is something we can either accept or reject on faith and cannot prove by objective means. heck, we cannot even describe it in objective terms to subject it to examination.

216 engineer cat  Tue, May 28, 2013 9:55:20pm

re: #193 Gus

The mind is reliant on a healthy biology. There’s no argument there. Otherwise what

get your pencil out, then. first, define ‘mind’. then descibe in detail the mechanism by which it operates

i’ll let you skip the part where you explain what you mean by a ‘healthy biology’…

217 FemNaziBitch  Tue, May 28, 2013 9:57:01pm

HAVE A GREAT EVENING ALL!

218 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, May 28, 2013 9:58:02pm

I had a discussion with some serious wholesale crystal heads in Santa Fe, MN, when they started going on about crystal energies and healing.

I asked them to describe in some concrete terms what goes into a crystal, what happens to it within and what comes out changed.

Having studied crystallography and crystal chemistry, I am aware of how crystalline structure can effect various forms of energy that enter it.

They looked at me as if I were asking the impossible, which I guess I was.

219 klys and whatnot  Tue, May 28, 2013 9:58:18pm

If the baby holds true to form, in about 30 minutes he will be up.

220 klys and whatnot  Tue, May 28, 2013 9:59:11pm

re: #218 Sol Berdinowitz

I had a discussion with some serious wholesale crystal heads in Santa Fe, MN, when they started going on about crystal energies and healing.

I asked them to describe in some concrete terms what goes into a crystal, what happens to it within and what comes out changed.

Having studied crystallography and crystal chemistry, I am aware of how crystalline structure can effect various forms of energy that enter it.

They looked at me as if I were asking the impossible, which I guess I was.

Crystal field theory! AKA why we see color (due to the Jahns-Teller effect if memory does not fail me).

221 klys and whatnot  Tue, May 28, 2013 10:00:01pm

re: #220 klys and whatnot

Crystal field theory! AKA why we see color (due to the Jahns-Teller effect if memory does not fail me).

…and then you take all these lovely rules which govern crystallography and make them so nice and explainable and mash them up and get a glass.

And then you bang your head against the wall and search for gin.

222 klys and whatnot  Tue, May 28, 2013 10:01:33pm

re: #221 klys and whatnot

…and then you take all these lovely rules which govern crystallography and make them so nice and explainable and mash them up and get a glass.

And then you bang your head against the wall and search for gin.

I should note that I mean explainable in the non-woowoo sense.

223 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, May 28, 2013 10:03:40pm

re: #222 klys and whatnot

I should note that I mean explainable in the non-woowoo sense.

There is no non-woowoo explanation for “healing energy”, it is all subjective definitions.

My interest in esoterics and mysticism was simply as creative tools, ways to finds new means of artistic expression. I never thought of them in ters of anything to be applied to real life outside creative endeavors.

224 klys and whatnot  Tue, May 28, 2013 10:06:21pm

re: #223 Sol Berdinowitz

There is no non-woowoo explanation for “healing energy”, it is all subjective definitions.

My interest in esoterics and mysticism was simply as creative tools, ways to finds new means of artistic expression. I never thought of them in ters of anything to be applied to real life outside creative endeavors.

Oh, completely agreed. I just was remembering a discussion about crystal field theory because it’s how you explain color in glasses. Liquids too, to an extent. (Note I am talking about inorganic materials only.)

The obvious example is cobalt glass (the deep blue comes from adding a tiny amount of cobalt).

One of the things I think is really awesome in science, is explaining the different colors in glasses. (The short answer is transition metals.)

225 GeneJockey  Tue, May 28, 2013 10:07:51pm

Not to go all Philo 101, but essentially there is only one thing anyone knows, and that is that they exist. Everything beyond that could be false, simply an illusion. However, if you test the illusion, by treating it as if it were real, it generally responds as if it were, so that’s a good working hypothesis.

There has been found no incontrovertible evidence that any god exists. The more we learn the more clear it is that things could get to where they were without magic.

Of course, this doesn’t prove the nonexistence of a god, or gods, or an eternal soul. I cannot claim to know for certain that there is no god (see first paragraph). I also can’t prove the universe was not created at 8:35 this morning, as a 15 billion year old universe, already in progress. But even if that were so, it would not change how reality responds when treated as if it were real. Stepping in front of a bus would still kill you.

So, I don’t believe in god, and more to the point, I believe there is no god. When my beloved Golden Retriever died, I comforted myself reading the ‘Rainbow Bridge’ story, but I knew it was nonsense. Still, it made me feel better to think of Rhyo, returned to life and health, bounding up to me for lovies.

I guess that makes me an atheist who acknowledges that he might be mistaken, and is occasionally prone to comforting fantasy.

I know some believers who think that they know FOR ABSOLUTE SURE that there is a God and he’s the one in their Bible, who hates abortion (they glean this from a number of obscure references) but is okay with them eating shrimp, because that part of Leviticus doesn’t matter. Just the parts about gays. Faced with what I said in paragraph 1, they say they can’t imagine how anyone could live with such uncertainty. They tell me it’s ABSOLUTELY CLEAR from the evidence that god exists, but they can’t seem to lay their hands on the incontrovertible stuff.

Then there are other believers, who accept that paragraph 1 is true, and yet say, “I believe in God, and in salvation, nonetheless.” They accept that their belief is just that - belief. Not fact, not provable certainty, but something that they believe, and that they acknowledge they can’t prove.

I find the latter much more tolerable, and tolerant, than the former. No doubt the same is true of nonbelievers.

226 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, May 28, 2013 10:11:53pm

Going off to work and then into a long weekend. Tomorrow is a holiday here in Germany, Fronleichnam, or Corpus Christi.

Nobody here can explain what the holiday is about or why they would name it after a town in Texas.

And when is the Feast of St. Lubbock?

227 Lidane  Tue, May 28, 2013 10:12:33pm

re: #205 Gus

I brought my pencil!

Gimme somethin’ to write on, man:

Youtube Video

228 simoom  Tue, May 28, 2013 10:53:24pm
229 engineer cat  Tue, May 28, 2013 11:01:52pm

re: #227 Lidane

Gimme somethin’ to write on, man:

[Embedded content]

i miss all the hair

230 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, May 28, 2013 11:08:49pm

I don’t normally post cute cat pix, but this one I have to share. One of my friends in China posted it in her Qspace (like Facebook).
Image: sat-cat.jpg

No food for me? No TV for you!

231 klys and whatnot  Tue, May 28, 2013 11:10:40pm

re: #230 wheat-dogghazi

I don’t normally post cute cat pix, but this one I have to share. One of my friends in China posted it in her Qspace (like Facebook).
Image: sat-cat.jpg

No food for me? No TV for you!

It is totally the glare that makes it.

232 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, May 28, 2013 11:27:27pm

re: #231 klys and whatnot

It is totally the glare that makes it.

That cat looks really pissed off.

233 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, May 28, 2013 11:42:38pm

I have gone over the edge. I haz posted pikchur on lolcats.

234 Kragar  Wed, May 29, 2013 12:03:29am
235 Amory Blaine  Wed, May 29, 2013 12:14:16am

re: #234 Kragar

I like the Dear Ennui section.

236 stabby  Wed, May 29, 2013 12:41:27am

Sigh. re: #216 engineer cat

get your pencil out, then. first, define ‘mind’. then descibe in detail the mechanism by which it operates

i’ll let you skip the part where you explain what you mean by a ‘healthy biology’…

I could explain what he meant but this topic strikes close to home for me and it’s not worth the emotional pain.

But I’m sad, I thought this thread was higher than the usual internet standard.

But a clue is that the part you wanted to neglect, “healthy biology,” is the only key thing he said.

237 stabby  Wed, May 29, 2013 12:45:09am

Or to stop being cryptic, if you’ve ever seen someone lose their mind and memories to Alzheimer or ever experienced brain damage, stroke, clinical depression or other such illnesses and lost part of yourself, then you can understand that there is nothing immortal in the mind.

And if the mind and heart aren’t immortal, then what is the soul?

238 stabby  Wed, May 29, 2013 12:48:55am

Sigh I could add, watching someone permanently ruined by severe schizophrenia. I knew one girl for whom the antipsychotic drugs didn’t help her much…

239 Dr Lizardo  Wed, May 29, 2013 1:22:21am

re: #50 HappyWarrior

Skyrim was a documentary.

So Vermithrax Pejorative once flew over the skies of England?

Cool beans.

240 freetoken  Wed, May 29, 2013 1:33:09am

re: #225 GeneJockey

There has been found no incontrovertible evidence that any god exists.

On offer are three:


1. Chocolate

2. Loquats

3. MP3 Audio

241 thecommodore  Wed, May 29, 2013 2:27:55am
242 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, May 29, 2013 2:45:40am

re: #241 thecommodore

More nuttery from Dean Chambers:

What The GOP Must To Do Save the Country From Leftist Fascism

Is this serious, machiavellian or just a seriously over-the-top onion-style parody?

243 Decatur Deb  Wed, May 29, 2013 2:55:02am

The Onion is edited—by people who speak English.

244 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, May 29, 2013 2:57:27am

It was just the first paragraph, buckling under the wight of links to all those RW talking points, I really had to wonder if that is not some kind of “Just don’t throw me in the briar patch” gambit by the Democrats…

245 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, May 29, 2013 3:02:38am

re: #191 engineer cat

maybe more of a myth-demeanor

seriously, we tend to forget that we are still at an early stage of scientific knowlege. the operation of consciousness is not well understood. hell, even the details of digestion are not well understood

There isn’t any hint of scientific proof of the soul, though. The idea of ‘consciousness’ (organisms with brains have this thing going on) is trivially demonstrable, though what it is isn’t. But the idea of consciousness separate from physical reality is just another belief in the supernatural, with 0 evidence.

246 Romantic Heretic  Wed, May 29, 2013 3:24:34am

re: #121 Gus

Whatever.

I liked the article. He lays out why I call myself an agnostic rather than an atheist. To me, religious belief and atheism are two sides of the same coin: faith. One side says there is a God, Allah to Zeus, take your pick. The other says there isn’t. Neither can offer any real evidence of their stance.

Anyway, the question, “Is there a God?” is meaningless to me. Far more important are: Who are you? What do you want? Where are you going? How will you get there?

247 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, May 29, 2013 3:28:57am

re: #246 Romantic Heretic

I liked the article. He lays out why I call myself an agnostic rather than an atheist. To me, religious belief and atheism are two sides of the same coin: faith. One side says there is a God, Allah to Zeus, take your pick. The other says there isn’t. Neither can offer any real evidence of their stance.

This isn’t really true.

One side asserts that there is something that exists beyond physical reality. There are two forms of this: one that says that the supernatural still affects physical reality, and the other says that it did long ago but doesn’t now, or only affects consciousness. either way, any test to show such claim of effect is negative.

The other ‘side’ says that there’s no reason to believe in things that there’s absolutely no proof for or need to come up with to explain something. They also often say that the concept of ‘god’ or ‘supernatural’ is incoherent anyway— nobody can really describe what the attributes of ‘god’ are in a way that makes much sense.

Agnostic and atheism aren’t opposed. You can be an agnostic atheist. If you don’t believe in the supernatural but don’t think it’s provable that the supernatural doesn’t exist you’re an agnostic atheist.

248 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, May 29, 2013 3:29:01am

re: #246 Romantic Heretic

I liked the article. He lays out why I call myself an agnostic rather than an atheist. To me, religious belief and atheism are two sides of the same coin: faith. One side says there is a God, Allah to Zeus, take your pick. The other says there isn’t. Neither can offer any real evidence of their stance.

Anyway, the question, “Is there a God?” is meaningless to me. Far more important are: Who are you? What do you want? Where are you going? How will you get there?

The point is, I have certain beliefs about “supernatural” things, but since they can only be personal and subjective, I might use them to shape my own personal and family-related decisions and actions, but would not force them on anyone else.

249 Romantic Heretic  Wed, May 29, 2013 3:30:06am

re: #177 Gus

When you die your brain dies along with your death. There is no magic to your consciousness. Your thoughts. Your memories. They are all reliant on normal healthy biological functions. Once the blood and oxygen stops flowing to your brain it all comes to a halt.

So far as we know.

250 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, May 29, 2013 3:32:50am

re: #249 Romantic Heretic

So far as we know.

I do not believe in people coming back from the dead: if a person who seems dead revives, it means they weren#t completely dead yet. And “near-death” experiences have a reasonable physiological explanation.

There will always be gaps in our knowledge that we are compelled to fill in with belief. I keep those separate from things that can be determined objectively.

251 Romantic Heretic  Wed, May 29, 2013 3:33:55am

re: #185 engineer cat

no known way to prove this or disprove it, at this point in time

there is no detailed physical/scientific/biological model describing the physical basis or operation of ‘consciousness’ yet

I’m remembering a Larry Niven story, where an alien species did scientifically contact the afterlife or a deity. The entire species committed suicide shortly thereafter, and everyone who investigated the tragedy killed themselves as well.

A very amusing story.

252 engineer cat  Wed, May 29, 2013 3:48:17am

re: #245 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

re: #236 stabby

rodrammit, everybody is determined to misread what i said and insist that i must believe in the supernatural - IT AIN’T SO

obviously, consciousness is a physical thing. it could hardly be otherwise, SINCE IT EXISTS IN THE UNIVERSE, which exists in reality

follow me so far?

gus baldly asserted that consciousness stops when you die

while it seems rather likely that that might be true, IT HAS NOT BEEN PROVEN

is this not so?

as to whether consciousness - as if we really even understand what that is! - can exist without biology, and furthermore how that might happen, i will merely refer you to the extensive speculation, some of it better informed, some of it silly, that has been engaged in in the past 60 years or more of science fiction

to summarize: we don’t remotely understand how consciousness operates as a physical phenomenon. therefore, we cannot say with any certainty that it cannot exist outside of biological functioning

to then ask “but how else could it work unless you believe in the supernatural” is merely a failure of imagination

253 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, May 29, 2013 3:54:04am

re: #252 engineer cat

while it seems rather likely that that might be true, IT HAS NOT BEEN PROVEN

It’s not been proven in the same way that an invisible teacup that dematerializes when anyone tries to touch it that’s sitting on my desk hasn’t been disproved. There is no reason at all to think that consciousness continues on after death. None.

to summarize: we don’t remotely understand how consciousness operates as a physical phenomenon. therefore, we cannot say with any certainty that it cannot exist outside of biological functioning

But we don’t have to say that, any more than we have to say that consciousness is not caused by a thousand invisible imps massaging the neurons.

254 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, May 29, 2013 3:55:01am

re: #249 Romantic Heretic

So far as we know.

There is no giant purple mushroom that appears whenever nobody is around and no instruments to record it— so far as we know.

255 freetoken  Wed, May 29, 2013 3:57:37am

Lament as I do the poor state of American TV “documentaries”, and even the encroachment of American-style sensationalism into the BBC documentary production, recently the BBC has been revisiting the subject of archaeology with some decent programs.

One of them is Archaeology: A Secret History, which despite its sensationalistically tilted title is pretty decent.

For those outside the UK, someone has uploaded the entire first episode (in HD) to Youtube - catch it while you can:

Youtube Video

256 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 29, 2013 4:34:14am

Pictures at an Exhibition:
Youtube Video

I tried to find a video of this piece by Mussorgsky/Ravel that shows the actual pictures for each musical movement. But it turns out that the pictures (not even paintings, just sketches) are really lame and not all of them have even been identified by art historians.

257 ninja cat  Wed, May 29, 2013 4:34:51am

Oh Michelle, I’m going to so miss you, the girl with far away eyes. I’m sure the ethics probe has nothing to do with this whatsoever.

258 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 29, 2013 4:35:53am

re: #257 ninja cat

Oh Michelle, I’m going to so miss you, the girl with far away eyes. I’m sure the ethics probe has nothing to do with this whatsoever.

Michele is the girl with kaleidoscope eyes.

259 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, May 29, 2013 4:37:31am

re: #257 ninja cat

Oh Michelle, I’m going to so miss you, the girl with far away eyes. I’m sure the ethics probe has nothing to do with this whatsoever.

The fact that she was taken seriously as a GOP presidential candidate, even for fifteen minutes, speaks volumes about what has become of the party.

260 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, May 29, 2013 4:42:35am

HOORAY! Bachmann’s not running!

npr.org

Plus I paged it.

261 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, May 29, 2013 4:45:29am

re: #260 William Barnett-Lewis

We are going to hear a lot about what this has nothing to do with: her waning chances, her corruption scandals, the decline in influence of the Tea Party…and after all, she does have a very large family that she wants to spend more time with.

262 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, May 29, 2013 4:56:37am

re: #260 William Barnett-Lewis

Unless the district changes, another whackaloon will be elected. Possibly a more dangerous one.

She’s not the problem, really. The system that elects her is.

263 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, May 29, 2013 5:09:57am

re: #262 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Unless the district changes, another whackaloon will be elected. Possibly a more dangerous one.

She’s not the problem, really. The system that elects her is.

Actually that district is changing; Stillwater and the northern ‘burbs of the Twin Cities are nowhere near as insane as St Cloud. Her last election was quite tight and there were significant doubts she would have won this time. Per wiki “Despite a more favorable district Bachmann only narrowly won re-election, receiving just 4298 more votes than her DFL challenger Jim Graves”.

264 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, May 29, 2013 5:12:57am

re: #263 William Barnett-Lewis

Then there’s hope.

265 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, May 29, 2013 5:26:35am
266 Lidane  Wed, May 29, 2013 5:38:29am
267 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, May 29, 2013 5:39:43am

re: #246 Romantic Heretic

I liked the article. He lays out why I call myself an agnostic rather than an atheist. To me, religious belief and atheism are two sides of the same coin: faith. One side says there is a God, Allah to Zeus, take your pick. The other says there isn’t. Neither can offer any real evidence of their stance.

Anyway, the question, “Is there a God?” is meaningless to me. Far more important are: Who are you? What do you want? Where are you going? How will you get there?

Will there be tea?

268 A Mom Anon  Wed, May 29, 2013 5:43:28am

re: #260 William Barnett-Lewis

There must be something pretty ugly coming out of that investigation into her campaign finances and whatever else she’s been up to. Good. Unless a bigger loon than she is takes the seat.

Or she’s been offered a ton of money to go run her yap for AEI or Heritage. Or Fox, hahahaha!

269 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, May 29, 2013 5:46:46am

Good morning Lizards!

A step closer to insanity today. Working on providing English short descriptions for security roles in a spreadsheet. Maddening enough since you’re trying to be consistent in use of abbreviations (if any) and how you differentiate between parts of the organization (plants, divisions, etc.) Two “minor” complications:

1. There are four thousand of them to look at.

2. I am starting from role names (limit thirty characters) and short descriptions written in Portuguese.

270 Stoatly  Wed, May 29, 2013 5:48:28am

re: #267 Feline Fearless Leader

Will there be tea?

Of course, “God’s an Englishman” even if he doesn’t exist

271 andres  Wed, May 29, 2013 5:51:17am

About the Examiner’s story, I remember this video. However, I never got the vibe that Jon Stewart was making any claims of Campbell’s actual extra-curricular activities. So maybe it was an attempt at parody, and if it was, it was a very bad one.

272 Ian G.  Wed, May 29, 2013 5:58:59am

re: #257 ninja cat

So how many book deals will she have, and how many hours a day hosting a show on Fox?

Or maybe a “senior scholar” position at Heritage?

Wingnuttery sure is lucrative. At least it won’t be my money that pays her salary (thank Allah for the free market).

273 freetoken  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:00:09am

This headline made me laugh (and that’s not because I’m hard hearted):

Morning Brief: Drone strike kills four men in Pakistani tribal region

As if the rest of humanity isn’t also a collection of “tribal regions”, just going by different names.

274 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:01:35am

Last night I watched the first hour and a half of “Zero Dark Thirty.” Zedushka watched with me for the first half hour, then he said he didn’t want to watch any more because it was “torture porn.”

I had unpleasant dreams.

275 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:04:13am

re: #274 Vicious Babushka

Last night I watched the first hour and a half of “Zero Dark Thirty.” Zedushka watched with me for the first half hour, then he said he didn’t want to watch any more because it was “torture porn.”

I had unpleasant dreams.

Sadly, those scenes were probably milder than what really happened.

276 Killgore Trout  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:04:33am

re: #273 freetoken

Yeah, looks like another opening has been created in Taliban senior management.

277 darthstar  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:11:02am

While I was hoping to see her humiliated in an election, I’ll take Bachmann’s leaving. I’m just glad she’ll be as relevant as Sarah Palin to the national conversation in another two years.

Mornin’ everyone.

278 lawhawk  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:13:55am

re: #246 Romantic Heretic

Anyway, the question, “Is there a God?” is meaningless to me. Far more important are: Who are you? What do you want? Where are you going? How will you get there?

Vorlons versus Shadows. How very Babylon 5 of you…

279 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:16:14am

re: #274 Vicious Babushka

I thought it was a really shitty movie. I just didn’t give a crap about any of the people, except the one smart-ass SF guy. And since it wasn’t even accurate, what’s the point of it?

280 lawhawk  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:18:19am

re: #277 darthstar

While I was hoping to see her humiliated in an election, I’ll take Bachmann’s leaving. I’m just glad she’ll be as relevant as Sarah Palin to the national conversation in another two years.

Mornin’ everyone.

Well, she’s claiming that it’s got nothing to do with multiple investigations into federal elections violations and potential criminal acts relating to her campaign for president in 2012. When you deny that’s the reason, you can be damned sure that’s the reason. The FBI and FEC are both looking at her campaign finance mess.

But at the same time, this frees her up to go after speaker dough and attack Democrats without retribution via the PAC/SuperPAC circuit. Sadly, this wont be the last we hear from her as she drones on about how we must repeal Obamacare because it’s the worstest evil to ever be conceived.

281 darthstar  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:19:16am

re: #274 Vicious Babushka

Last night I watched the first hour and a half of “Zero Dark Thirty.” Zedushka watched with me for the first half hour, then he said he didn’t want to watch any more because it was “torture porn.”

I had unpleasant dreams.

I’m waiting for the edited for television version so I can alternate between the movie and a ballgame.

282 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:20:40am

re: #279 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

I thought it was a really shitty movie. I just didn’t give a crap about any of the people, except the one smart-ass SF guy. And since it wasn’t even accurate, what’s the point of it?

I thought it was going to be about the operation that took out Bin Laden, but so far it just seems to be about waterboarding random detainees and helplessly looking on as they fail to prevent attacks.

283 darthstar  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:21:37am

re: #280 lawhawk

Yeah, there are those investigations, which will likely be dropped as she gets closer to leaving office. The other downside of this is she opens the door for a Republican hold in her district…enter someone not certifiably crazy but paranoid enough to fill her shoes.

284 darthstar  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:23:40am

Okay…time to walk the dogs.

285 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:29:24am

re: #282 Vicious Babushka

I thought it was going to be about the operation that took out Bin Laden, but so far it just seems to be about waterboarding random detainees and helplessly looking on as they fail to prevent attacks.

It takes forever to get to the point, I suppose to build suspense as the trail appears to go dead. If you haven’t seen the whole thing, I won’t say much else.

286 lawhawk  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:31:03am

Well, looks like we’re going to have a wild weather day through Kansas, Nebraska, and Oklahoma - moderate to high supercell forming tornado threat.

Oh, and the Northeast may see supercells as well - the temperatures spiking into the 80s today,and heatwave through the weekend in the Northeast may see isolated severe weather as the atmosphere gets supercharged with hot humid air.

287 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:35:03am

re: #282 Vicious Babushka

I would add that, while I thought it was an OK movie, it’s not one that I will watch over and over. I saw it once. That was enough.

288 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:39:02am

re: #279 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Manhunt: The Search for Bin Laden”: Way Cooler than Zero Dark Thirty

Forget Zero Dark Thirty. Instead, check out director Greg Barker’s intimate look at the dogged nerds and tough-guy CIA officials who spent decades on Osama bin Laden’s trail. This doc (based on Peter Bergen’s 2012 book) has the pulse of a Michael Mann thriller, tracing the hunt from long before Al Qaeda became a household name. It offers a fascinating glimpse at “the Sisterhood,” a crew of female CIA analysts who were “borderline obsessed” with nailing bin Laden in the 1990s. Details of their vital desk work are contrasted with interviews with former CIA higher-up (and torture advocate) Marty Martin, who refers to his “gangsta”-like role harvesting intel overseas.

Youtube Video

289 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:39:05am

re: #287 wheat-dogghazi

I would add that, while I thought it was an OK movie, it’s not one that I will watch over and over. I saw it once. That was enough.

I can’t think of any movies I have seen recently that I would want to watch again.

290 Ian G.  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:45:43am

re: #286 lawhawk

Oh, and the Northeast may see supercells as well - the temperatures spiking into the 80s today,and heatwave through the weekend in the Northeast may see isolated severe weather as the atmosphere gets supercharged with hot humid air.

It’s that time of year. It seems late May and early June is the brief window in which the northeast can get the kind of violent weather you see on the great plains.

Examples:

June 9, 1953

May 31, 1985

May 29, 1995

May 31, 1998

June 1, 2011

291 Joanne  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:47:26am

re: #141 Gus

Or my favorite. There’s a red VW Bus on Venus. You can’t prove me wrong can you.

BMW and Mercedes are jealous.

292 A Mom Anon  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:48:02am

re: #289 Vicious Babushka

I liked Despicable Me, which is kind of recent. Animated. Sweet and funny.

I’m with you though, not a lot to even bother renting, let alone going to the theater to see. I’m not impressed with most recent movies.

293 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:48:12am

re: #289 Vicious Babushka

I can’t think of any movies I have seen recently that I would want to watch again.

There’s some new Israeli series that’s only on Hulu. I’m kind of curious about it. It’s in Hebrew, with English subtitles.

294 iossarian  Wed, May 29, 2013 6:59:33am

re: #289 Vicious Babushka

I can’t think of any movies I have seen recently that I would want to watch again.

Not really recent but I’m meaning to see Napoleon Dynamite again. Ditto some of the later Bill Murray films.

295 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:00:31am

re: #294 iossarian

Not really recent but I’m meaning to see Napoleon Dynamite again. Ditto some of the later Bill Murray films.

I could watch “Blazing Saddles” and “The Big Lebowski” and never get tired of them.

296 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:02:21am

re: #292 A Mom Anon

I liked Despicable Me, which is kind of recent. Animated. Sweet and funny.

I’m with you though, not a lot to even bother renting, let alone going to the theater to see. I’m not impressed with most recent movies.

I have a collection of animated movies that I keep for when the grandkids visit, and I always like to watch the latest Pixar and Dreamworks to add to the collection.

Pixar “Brave”-==> what a horrible, horrible scary movie for kids.

297 lawhawk  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:07:35am
298 Gus  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:11:35am

I don’t know about the afterlife this morning but tonight will probably order a pizza.

299 Gus  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:12:53am

re: #297 lawhawk

You ever notice how most suspicious packages turn out to be nothing? Like they never discover something fierce. “OMG! Captain! There’s a nuclear bomb in this bag!” //

300 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:13:45am

re: #299 Gus

They did catch that nail bomb that was going to hit the MLK parade like that, though. For which I’m really, really glad.

301 Gus  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:13:58am

Syria is trending on Tweeter.

302 Gus  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:14:12am

re: #300 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

They did catch that nail bomb that was going to hit the MLK parade like that, though. For which I’m really, really glad.

Ah. True that.

303 Gus  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:16:35am

Bachmann is leaving congress? Woot!

304 Gus  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:17:19am
305 lawhawk  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:19:47am
306 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:19:49am

re: #304 Gus

Which Adams, though? I hate Founding Father porn that doesn’t label the Adams-es explicitly.

307 Dr. Matt  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:20:59am

re: #304 Gus

Founding Father Pin-Ups: Exactly what it sounds like t.co
— Jessica Valenti (@JessicaValenti) May 29, 2013

Blasphemy!!

308 iossarian  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:22:14am

re: #306 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Which Adams, though? I hate Founding Father porn that doesn’t label the Adams-es explicitly.

How would you “explicitly” label an Adams then?

“Tumescent Bear Adams”?

309 Gus  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:22:56am

re: #307 Dr. Matt

OUTRAGE!

310 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:23:48am

re: #304 Gus

I noticed that whenever I get into a conversation with any random person on Twitter, that idiot 807 always jumps in. Then the person that I’m talking with includes the stalker idiot in all the replies.

311 Gus  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:23:58am

There’s a 16 pound cat on mah table.

312 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:24:29am

re: #305 lawhawk

Yeah, this one turned out to be a bag of clothes.

Brand new clothes or dirty socks & underwear?

313 Gus  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:24:57am

re: #310 Vicious Babushka

I noticed that whenever I get into a conversation with any random person on Twitter, that idiot 807 always jumps in. Then the person that I’m talking with includes the stalker idiot in all the replies.

Ugh. Yes. I see he/she didn’t butt into that one. Yet. Seriously strange.

314 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:26:20am

re: #313 Gus

Ugh. Yes. I see he/she didn’t butt into that one. Yet. Seriously strange.

I’ve already blocked & spam-reported 807 numerous times, what does it take to get it Gulaged already.

315 Gus  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:29:01am

re: #314 Vicious Babushka

I’ve already blocked & spam-reported 807 numerous times, what does it take to get it Gulaged already.

I complained directly at first. Gave up eventually since Twitter basically said they won’t do anything. That was YEARS ago. I think he/she’s been at it for 2 years now maybe? Maybe 3 years. He/she takes notes as to what I say here on LGF and brings it up in his/her/its weird Tweets. So sometimes he’ll butt into some Twitter exchange and tell someone that I have a hernia. Weird aye?

316 Dr. Matt  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:30:04am

Who is this 807 person everyone has been chatting about the last few days?

317 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:30:22am

re: #315 Gus

I complained directly at first. Gave up eventually since Twitter basically said they won’t do anything. That was YEARS ago. I think he/she’s been at it for 2 years now maybe? Maybe 3 years. He/she takes notes as to what I say here on LGF and brings it up in his/her/its weird Tweets. So sometimes he’ll butt into some Twitter exchange and tell someone that I have a hernia. Weird aye?

What a sad life it must have.

318 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:30:35am

re: #316 Dr. Matt

Who is this 807 person everyone has been chatting about the last few days?

Moran stalker.

319 Dr. Matt  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:32:05am

re: #318 Vicious Babushka

Moran stalker.

This one? —> twitter.com

That’s pretty creepy. Someone banned from LGF?

320 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:33:34am

re: #315 Gus

I complained directly at first. Gave up eventually since Twitter basically said they won’t do anything. That was YEARS ago. I think he/she’s been at it for 2 years now maybe? Maybe 3 years. He/she takes notes as to what I say here on LGF and brings it up in his/her/its weird Tweets. So sometimes he’ll butt into some Twitter exchange and tell someone that I have a hernia. Weird aye?

Holy shit that’s pathetic.

321 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:33:38am

re: #319 Dr. Matt

That’s pretty creepy. Someone banned from LGF?

YEARS AND YEARS AGO.

They are obsessed with Charles and LGF and everyone who posts here. Sad and creepy.

322 lawhawk  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:34:41am

re: #319 Dr. Matt

One of a group of ex-LGFers who’ve taken up stalking as a full-time profession (but who continue to profess that LGF, Charles and others who post here are irrelevant).

323 Dr. Matt  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:36:15am

re: #321 Vicious Babushka

YEARS AND YEARS AGO.

They are obsessed with Charles and LGF and everyone who posts here. Sad and creepy.

Ah. I think I remember them from a while back. They use to show up on the NewsHounds website when I was a regular over there.

324 Gus  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:36:33am

re: #322 lawhawk

One of a group of ex-LGFers who’ve taken up stalking as a full-time profession (but who continue to profess that LGF, Charles and others who post here are irrelevant).

They’re watching now! LOL Derp.

325 Gus  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:37:29am

re: #323 Dr. Matt

Ah. I think I remember them from a while back. They use to show up on the NewsHounds website when I was a regular over there.

They started with Think Progress Watch. Holy smokes was “he” obsessed with TP. Thought he could take down TP by “exposing” something or another.

326 iossarian  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:37:35am

re: #324 Gus

They’re watching now! LOL Derp.

I think the raunchy Founding Father pic may have caused a brief interruption.

327 Gus  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:38:45am

re: #326 iossarian

I think the raunchy Founding Father pic may have caused a brief interruption.

BREAKING NEWS! THIS IS WHAT GUS802 THINKS ABOUT OUR FOUNDING FATHERS; HE HAS A HERNIA; SPENDS ALL HIS MONEY ON GIN AND DOPE; AND HATES HIS SISTER!

328 iossarian  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:38:54am

Ha - that would be a classic spy-film-esque cover move when you want to talk privately on LGF: quickly post some RW comedy pron and then chat away, unobserved, for a couple of minutes.

329 Dr. Matt  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:39:31am

re: #325 Gus

They started with Think Progress Watch. Holy smokes was “he” obsessed with TP. Thought he could take down TP by “exposing” something or another.

Right! That’s it!! Now I remember those mooks. Before TP changed to their Facebook posting format, I was there often. Goofy little kids.

330 Gus  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:39:36am

Why I hate LGF blog: day 4,789. //

331 Gus  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:41:08am

re: #329 Dr. Matt

Right! That’s it!! Now I remember those mooks. Before TP changed to their Facebook posting format, I was there often. Goofy little kids.

thinkprogresswatch.com

332 iossarian  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:41:13am

Hold on, Gus, I have something super-secret to say to you.

Let me just go and locate my daguerrotype of George Washington in his tight jodhpurs.

333 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:42:27am

re: #324 Gus

They’re watching now! LOL Derp.

*Waves at the stalkers* (with middle finger)

334 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:42:34am

re: #332 iossarian

Hold on, Gus, I have something super-secret to say to you.

Let me just go and locate my daguerrotype of George Washington in his tight jodhpurs.

Jodhpurs weren’t introduced to the West until the 1890s. Hah! Unmasked. now tell us who you’re really working for, or I’ll show a picture of a bucket of water.

335 iossarian  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:43:13am

re: #334 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Jodhpurs weren’t introduced to the West until the 1890s. Hah! Unmasked. now tell us who you’re really working for, or I’ll show a picture of a bucket of water.

Damn you, AbsalomAbsalomObdicut!

DAMN YOU TO HELL

336 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:44:07am

re: #334 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Jodhpurs weren’t introduced to the West until the 1890s. Hah! Unmasked. now tell us who you’re really working for, or I’ll show a picture of a bucket of water.

I think he meant to say pantaloons or breeches or whatever they called pants back in those days.

337 Gus  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:44:22am

re: #333 Vicious Babushka

*Waves at the stalkers* (with middle finger)

5 years of copying and pasting and blogging about us. Daily. 24/7. Even on holiday weekends. Even on Christmas Eve and New Years Eve.

338 Gus  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:45:21am

DAMN YOU IRRELEVANT CHARLES JOHNSON! YOU HAVE RUINED MAH LIFE!!!

//

339 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:46:21am

re: #336 Vicious Babushka

I think he meant to say pantaloons or breeches or whatever they called pants back in those days.

This is the first google search for ‘revolutionary war pants washington’

t3ak.roblox.com

340 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:47:04am

re: #335 iossarian

Damn you, AbsalomAbsalomObdicut!

DAMN YOU TO HELL

You asked for it!

Image: 732460-metal-bucket-with-water-after-soaking-rain-in-the-country.jpg

341 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:47:06am

re: #339 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

This is the first google search for ‘revolutionary war pants washington’

t3ak.roblox.com

Is that SFW?

342 GeneJockey  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:47:10am

re: #240 freetoken

On offer are three:

1. Chocolate

2. Loquats

3.

[Embedded content]

1. Not everyone likes chocolate (I know, right?), and even though dogs love it, it’s toxic for them.

2. I don’t know no quats but kumquats, whose name has caused sniggering among adolescent boys for so many years,

3. PROFIT!!

343 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:47:27am

re: #341 Vicious Babushka

Is that SFW?

Yes. It’s merely confusing.

344 iossarian  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:47:56am

re: #336 Vicious Babushka

I think he meant to say pantaloons or breeches or whatever they called pants back in those days.

Yes, yes. Exactly. Breeches.

Image: George+Washington+2.JPG

345 iossarian  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:48:45am

re: #339 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

This is the first google search for ‘revolutionary war pants washington’

t3ak.roblox.com

Coffee ejected.

346 Dr. Matt  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:49:44am

re: #331 Gus

thinkprogresswatch.com

Hahaha. Brings back memories…..

347 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:50:29am

re: #344 iossarian

Yes, yes. Exactly. Breeches.

Image: George+Washington+2.JPG

But, in warfare, walls with breeches are bad for the defender.

;)

348 Gus  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:51:32am

re: #344 iossarian

Yes, yes. Exactly. Breeches.

Image: George+Washington+2.JPG

Leggings, knee high boots, and a bowed pony tail.

349 GeneJockey  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:51:37am

re: #334 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Jodhpurs weren’t introduced to the West until the 1890s. Hah! Unmasked. now tell us who you’re really working for, or I’ll show a picture of a bucket of water.

So if it wasn’t jodhpurs, apparently Washington had a HUGE ass.

350 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:52:21am

re: #349 GeneJockey

So if it wasn’t jodhpurs, apparently Washington had a HUGE ass.

Oh, there’s a lot of things you don’t know about George Washington.

Youtube Video

351 iossarian  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:52:38am

re: #346 Dr. Matt

Hahaha. Brings back memories…..

I like this observation:

Logic doesn’t exist with Think Progress.

It has a Zen-like simplicity.

352 klys and whatnot  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:55:36am

re: #304 Gus

Normally I avoid Tumblr like the plague but those just got sent to my mother who does colonial-era re-enactment.

353 Joanne  Wed, May 29, 2013 7:57:02am

re: #228 simoom

Are you in Florida? Could you be part of the jury pool?

354 lawhawk  Wed, May 29, 2013 8:10:17am

Sweet Jeebus!

355 Gus  Wed, May 29, 2013 8:11:44am
356 Bubblehead II  Wed, May 29, 2013 8:13:38am

Morning Lizards.

357 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 29, 2013 8:18:51am

DERP
Because if there were, wingnuts would complain LOOK AT HOW HE DISRESPECTS THE FLAG BY WIPING HIS NOSE ON IT!

358 Gus  Wed, May 29, 2013 8:19:07am
359 Gus  Wed, May 29, 2013 8:19:50am

Big puppy. Lost a leg but she’s alive.

360 bratwurst  Wed, May 29, 2013 8:21:34am

Nobody can predict the future, but I have a strong feeling that this is destined to happen:

361 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, May 29, 2013 8:26:32am

Hmm, Smithfield Foods is being bought by a Chinese Corp for $4.8 billion. So next Memorial Day that Armour hot dog you eat is going to be Chinese!

362 Gus  Wed, May 29, 2013 8:27:58am

re: #361 Feline Fearless Leader

Hmm, Smithfield Foods is being bought by a Chinese Corp for $4.8 billion. So next Memorial Day that Armour hot dog you eat is going to be Chinese!

CHIN LEE!

[Chop]

//

363 Gus  Wed, May 29, 2013 8:34:03am

Dark morning. Raining.

364 Slap  Wed, May 29, 2013 8:34:42am

re: #350 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

Oh, there’s a lot of things you don’t know about George Washington.

[Embedded content]

You got THAT right. Here’s more:

Youtube Video

365 Gus  Wed, May 29, 2013 8:35:36am
366 Gus  Wed, May 29, 2013 8:36:01am
367 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, May 29, 2013 8:38:42am

re: #362 Gus

CHIN LEE!

[Chop]

//

Yep. In war time you might not want to ask that Turkish soldier where that kebab came from…

;P

368 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, May 29, 2013 8:39:11am

Good morning fellow Lizards.

369 lawhawk  Wed, May 29, 2013 8:40:15am

re: #360 bratwurst

I’ve got a feeling that she’s going to be busy representing Tea Party types against the IRS, making extraordinary claims about being targeted by the IRS, even though the IRS is supposed to be weeding out all entities engaged in political activities while operating as 501(c)s.

There’s a couple of articles out today that are trying to make claims that the IRS was targeting TP entities beyond the Cincy office, and involved people at a higher rank than those in the Cincy office.

The claims ignore the fact that the IRS is supposed to be checking all entities to make sure that they’re in compliance. That it isn’t is the result of cuts to the agency and limited manpower. Limited manpower means that the IRS has to focus on those entities/taxpayers most likely in violation - those who are taking credits/deductions that are ripe for abuse, have significant variations in income/credits/deductions from one year to the next, or who are seeking nonprofit status.

370 dragonath  Wed, May 29, 2013 8:42:10am

Rubio: The ‘Only Answer’ To IRS Scandal Is To Repeal Obamacare

The only answer to Benghazi is REPEAL OBAMACARE!
The only answer to gas prices is REPEAL OBAMACARE!
The only answer is REPEAL OBAMACARE!

Image: ron-paul.gif

371 GeneJockey  Wed, May 29, 2013 8:43:22am

re: #370 dragonath

Rubio: The ‘Only Answer’ To IRS Scandal Is To Repeal Obamacare

The only answer to Benghazi is REPEAL OBAMACARE!
The only answer to gas prices is REPEAL OBAMACARE!
The only answer is REPEAL OBAMACARE!

Image: ron-paul.gif

Knock, knock

Who’s there?

REPEAL OBAMACARE!!!

372 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, May 29, 2013 8:43:47am

Good morning lizards!

Another reason not to drive drunk…

373 wrenchwench  Wed, May 29, 2013 8:44:41am
374 Gus  Wed, May 29, 2013 8:46:04am

re: #373 wrenchwench

They’re here.

375 GeneJockey  Wed, May 29, 2013 8:48:02am

re: #372 NJDhockeyfan

Good morning lizards!

Another reason not to drive drunk…

So many life lessons, all in the same story:

Don’t drive drunk. Don’t have sex while driving. Wear a seatbelt. Don’t try to flee the scene of an accident. Don’t ride with a drunk driver. Don’t ride a drunk driver. Don’t try to hide behind cactus wearing nothing but your shorts, and those inside out.

376 GeneJockey  Wed, May 29, 2013 8:48:47am

re: #373 wrenchwench

Probably just wanted to borrow a cup of sugar.

377 Political Atheist  Wed, May 29, 2013 8:49:41am

re: #373 wrenchwench
re: #374 Gus

They’re here.

It’s THEM!

Youtube Video

378 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 29, 2013 8:53:51am
379 Lidane  Wed, May 29, 2013 8:53:58am
380 Gus  Wed, May 29, 2013 8:54:01am

re: #377 Political Atheist

re: #374 Gus

It’s THEM!

[Embedded content]

Gonna need a bigger door bell button. //

381 Gus  Wed, May 29, 2013 8:55:20am

Honey. You’re not going to believe this but a family of giant ants just moved into the house next door!

382 wrenchwench  Wed, May 29, 2013 8:56:13am

re: #372 NJDhockeyfan

Good morning lizards!

Another reason not to drive drunk…

That got two tweets and a retweet from New_Mexico_News.




Probably had some (well-deserved) cactus spines he wanted to remove.

383 GeneJockey  Wed, May 29, 2013 8:56:28am

re: #377 Political Atheist

Interesting seeing Kris Kringle in rather a different role. Santa Claus would have been able to handle THEM!. Look how handily he handled the Martians.

384 Gus  Wed, May 29, 2013 8:56:31am

Wikileaks goes crazy.

385 wrenchwench  Wed, May 29, 2013 8:58:39am

Burrito lady broad brought brisket on a biscuit.

386 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, May 29, 2013 8:59:02am

Behold, the world’s most contagious prank…

Youtube Video

Yawn

387 Lidane  Wed, May 29, 2013 8:59:03am

re: #384 Gus

Wikileaks goes crazy.

When was Assange not crazy?

388 Lidane  Wed, May 29, 2013 8:59:11am
389 Political Atheist  Wed, May 29, 2013 8:59:16am

re: #383 GeneJockey

You must be another big SciFi guy. Just bought Enders Game for a re read. Really looking forward to another SciFi story that back in the day was just not going to film well at all. But now it can.

390 Gus  Wed, May 29, 2013 9:03:35am

re: #387 Lidane

When was Assange not crazy?

Yep. I’m sure the Fox News wingnuts will eat that Tweet up. “FOX NEWS REPORTER IS FACING THE DEATH PENALTY FROM BARRACK HUSSEIN OBAMA’S PENTEEGONE!!”

Welcome to Prison Planet, Wikileaks.

391 GeneJockey  Wed, May 29, 2013 9:07:33am

re: #389 Political Atheist

I used to be, but not so much anymore. Haven’t read any Ender books. However, in a similar vein, I was rereading the Ringworld books, and thinking that the technology exists now to do them, with all the different hominids of various sizes, colors, degrees of hairiness, etc. And of course Puppeteers, and Kzin as something other than an orange Chewbacca.

392 Gus  Wed, May 29, 2013 9:11:04am

Sun’s out.

393 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, May 29, 2013 9:11:22am

re: #361 Feline Fearless Leader

Hmm, Smithfield Foods is being bought by a Chinese Corp for $4.8 billion. So next Memorial Day that Armour hot dog you eat is going to be Chinese!

Shuanghui was implicated in a food scandal a couple of years ago. Seems their animals were fed some not-safe-for-human additives. I can’t say I’m overly thrilled hearing the news that Shuanghui wants to buy Smithfield.

On the other hand, I’ve eaten Shuanghui sausage products for the last two years, and I’m still alive and kicking. Everything in moderation, as they say.

394 Lidane  Wed, May 29, 2013 9:11:26am
395 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, May 29, 2013 9:15:49am

Gun battle erupts after attack on Red Cross in Afghanistan

Kabul, Afghanistan (CNN) — Afghan security forces battled insurgents who attacked a Red Cross building Wednesday and rescued six foreign nationals, an Interior Ministry spokesman said.

This occurred after insurgents stormed the International Committee of the Red Cross building in Jalalabad, in eastern Afghanistan.

Interior Ministry spokesman Sediq Sediqi said forces surrounded the building and are engaged in a gun battle with two or three attackers. Other Red Cross personnel are believed to be inside the compound, Sediqi said.
Afghan parliament member Haji Hazrat Ali told CNN one attacker blew himself up and others entered the building.

Details about casualties and damage were not immediately known. NATO’s International Security Assistance Force said Afghan personnel were securing the scene. The ICRC confirmed an incident occurred at the building.

396 Lidane  Wed, May 29, 2013 9:17:49am

The platypus already established that the universe is trolling us, but this works too:

397 darthstar  Wed, May 29, 2013 9:19:06am

One of the most beautiful voices with another one of the most beautiful voices singing backup.

Youtube Video

398 Lidane  Wed, May 29, 2013 9:20:54am
399 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, May 29, 2013 9:22:23am
400 Gus  Wed, May 29, 2013 9:23:59am

Happy hump day. The Senate of course have the whole week off. They won’t return until Monday. Lazy bums. Must be rough.

401 Gus  Wed, May 29, 2013 9:24:56am

“Lazy, no good for nothing panty-waisted ne’er-do-wells!”

//

402 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 29, 2013 9:26:43am

What right-wing racism?

403 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 29, 2013 9:27:42am

re: #402 Vicious Babushka

What right-wing racism?

Yeah Obama never talks about the role his mother and maternal grandparents had in raising him. Never ever. Sheesh fucking touchy assholes.

404 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, May 29, 2013 9:27:53am
405 Gus  Wed, May 29, 2013 9:28:11am

re: #402 Vicious Babushka

What right-wing racism?

That’s weird. I could swear that PBO has never denied his anglo side of himself and his family.

406 Gus  Wed, May 29, 2013 9:29:09am

re: #403 HappyWarrior

Yeah Obama never talks about the role his mother and maternal grandparents had in raising him. Never ever. Sheesh fucking touchy assholes.

That is when they’re not busy spreading the Photoshopped pics of his mother making her out as some porn model. Weirdos.

407 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 29, 2013 9:29:40am

re: #405 Gus

That’s weird. I could swear that PBO has never denied his anglo side of himself and his family.

wharblegarble DREAMS OF MY FATHER!!11!! herpderphurrhurr

408 wrenchwench  Wed, May 29, 2013 9:30:38am
409 iossarian  Wed, May 29, 2013 9:30:57am

How dare Obama make out that he’s blackity-black when in fact he has some white blood mixed in there with the Kenyan stuff.

410 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 29, 2013 9:31:36am

re: #406 Gus

That is when they’re not busy spreading the Photoshopped pics of his mother making her out as some porn model. Weirdos.

Yeah that shit is just creepy or their contention that she was “ashamed” of her background. Real pathetic to slander a dead woman who can’t stand up for herself.

411 iossarian  Wed, May 29, 2013 9:31:38am

Whoops: forgot to preface that with obligatory “I’m no racist but”.

412 Gus  Wed, May 29, 2013 9:31:40am

re: #407 Vicious Babushka

FRANK MARSHALL DAVIS IS HIS REAL FATHER AND THAT COMMUNIST USURPER STALINIST IN CHIEF BARRACK HUSSEIN OBAMA IS LYING ABOUT HIS REAL FATHER!!11TY

413 Lidane  Wed, May 29, 2013 9:31:48am

Sorry, but I’m having a TOTAL fangirl moment. I have just been re-tweeted by Mark Ruffalo. This is awesome! :D

OK. Carry on.

414 Dr. Matt  Wed, May 29, 2013 9:33:59am

re: #402 Vicious Babushka

What right-wing racism?

What is more racist that a bi racial president and all of his minions, TOTALLY denying his WHITE blood? #tcot #tgdn
— Kathy in SC (@KBinSC) May 29, 2013

Who exactly “denied” his “white blood”?

415 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 29, 2013 9:34:31am

re: #414 Dr. Matt

Who exactly “denied” his “white blood”?

I deny white blood. All my blood is red.

416 Gus  Wed, May 29, 2013 9:35:14am

re: #415 Vicious Babushka

I deny white blood. All my blood is red.

Too many white blood cells is bad news!

417 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 29, 2013 9:35:42am

WTF? And this is “Obama’s fault” HOW? These people are fucked up. That should qualify as a disability.

418 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, May 29, 2013 9:36:49am
419 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 29, 2013 9:39:04am

re: #418 NJDhockeyfan

Well I know my vision is good because Marilyn looks great with that stache.

420 Gus  Wed, May 29, 2013 9:39:23am

re: #417 Vicious Babushka

WTF? And this is “Obama’s fault” HOW? These people are fucked up. That should qualify as a disability.

Yeah, I’m sure an aging baby boomer population has nothing to do with that. I’d also be interested in seeing a map of that growth. No doubt, much like a lot of entitlement programs, most is going to red-states.

421 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 29, 2013 9:41:11am

re: #417 Vicious Babushka

WTF? And this is “Obama’s fault” HOW? These people are fucked up. That should qualify as a disability.

My guess is they’ll claim that he’s “created” a culture of government dependence. Total bullshit but par the course from people like that.

422 Lidane  Wed, May 29, 2013 9:41:59am

Sully points out the obvious:

423 Bulworth  Wed, May 29, 2013 9:42:40am
Was President Obama High on Coke While Benghazi Burned? - Arlington Conservative | Examiner.com.

It would be irresponsible not to speculate. //

424 Joanne  Wed, May 29, 2013 9:43:43am

re: #418 NJDhockeyfan

I see Albert Einstein with Marilyn Monroe hair (and sometimes eyes, depending on the angle). I am near-sighted.

425 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 29, 2013 9:44:34am

re: #418 NJDhockeyfan

I saw Einstein, then I took my glasses off and I saw Marilyn (although kind of blurred out)

427 Gus  Wed, May 29, 2013 9:46:11am

“…West Virginia, Kentucky, and Arkansas were among the top five states for
disability prevalence in the total population and in the population of those receiving assistance…”

428 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, May 29, 2013 9:46:53am

re: #425 Vicious Babushka

I saw Einstein, then I took my glasses off and I saw Marilyn (although kind of blurred out)

I saw Einstein then took off my reading glasses and backed up and saw Marilyn. Pretty cool.

429 stabby  Wed, May 29, 2013 9:47:01am

re: #417 Vicious Babushka

People are on SSI because we don’t have a health care system.

If you get SICK, SSI won’t cover you, SSI only covers disabilities that cause a permanent inability to work at all - but everyone, doctors on up will help you game the system if you’re sick. And after a bunch of humilitating interviews, humiliating hearings and appeals you may get it.

Mind you, even if you have a terminal illness, you probably still will get turned down and have to appeal before you’re approved. Or maybe they only do that to poor black people like a friend of mine.

Sooo. There are a lot of people claiming to be permanently disabled who aren’t because that’s the only thing our system covers.

You could be out of work with a very bad back and be unable to work at all… but temporarily. And SSI isn’t supposed to cover that!

430 Gus  Wed, May 29, 2013 9:47:30am
431 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 29, 2013 9:47:46am

re: #426 Gus

Disability Prevalence Among Income-Based Government Assistance Recipients by State: 2011

6/8 are states that went for McCain and Romney. I am amused seeing New Hampshire on there too since they claim to be the “Live Free of Die” state. I guess it’s Live Free or Die* I mean obviously as a social liberal, I’ve got nothing against people getting disability benefits but I am tired of the right’s hypocrisy on the issue. By the way, excellent research per the usual on your part, Gus.
* But if you can give me some disability payments, I’ll take that.

432 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, May 29, 2013 9:47:50am
433 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 29, 2013 9:48:59am

re: #432 NJDhockeyfan

History is always under our noses. Read a book recently about the first American ambassador to Nazi Germany and what do you know, he had a summer home very close to where I live.

435 stabby  Wed, May 29, 2013 9:49:38am

So, yeah. It makes sense that conservatives will be angry at all the people who game SSI.

But there are good reasons that people are forced to. If we cared enough to have a system that wasn’t full of holes, we wouldn’t have the same level of problem. And it’s the fault of America’s right wing streak that our coverage is full of holes.

436 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, May 29, 2013 9:51:42am

re: #433 HappyWarrior

History is always under our noses. Read a book recently about the first American ambassador to Nazi Germany and what do you know, he had a summer home very close to where I live.

A girl I went to high school with had an uncle spend time tracing back their family tree. After lots of research he found out they owned a castle in Germany.

437 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 29, 2013 9:51:49am

re: #432 NJDhockeyfan

I paged that last night.

They should invite some Hebrew sofrim (scribes) to examine the scroll. It would also have been helpful to explain which halachot (laws) for ktivat sefer Torah were established by the Rambam (or at least link to a source).

438 Vicious Babushka  Wed, May 29, 2013 9:52:54am

re: #436 NJDhockeyfan

A girl I went to high school with had an uncle spend time tracing back their family tree. After lots of research he found out they owned a castle in Germany.

Yeah but, who lives there now?

Get together an army and siege the crap out of that thing!

439 Bulworth  Wed, May 29, 2013 9:53:15am

re: #430 Gus

Obviously this proves that the Census Bureau should be abolished. //

440 Lidane  Wed, May 29, 2013 9:53:31am
441 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 29, 2013 9:54:35am

re: #434 Dr. Matt

Alabama pastor bans Boy Scouts for supporting ‘sinful lifestyle’ of gay scouts

I love how he tries to make it like that he actually gives a shit about the kids. Dude, if you actually cared about the scouts, you wouldn’t allow a policy of inclusion to force you to make a rash decision. It’s your right to do so since it’s your church but don’t tell me that it pained you to do so because that’s just like expecting me to have pity for the religious orphanages that get heat for refusing to allow gay couples to adopt from them.

442 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, May 29, 2013 9:57:04am
443 Gus  Wed, May 29, 2013 9:59:23am

I see. So allowing gays into your organization means you’re “supporting a gay lifestyle.” Whatever that is.

444 Lidane  Wed, May 29, 2013 9:59:54am
445 Gus  Wed, May 29, 2013 10:00:00am
446 Gus  Wed, May 29, 2013 10:00:09am

re: #444 Lidane

Hey!

447 Lidane  Wed, May 29, 2013 10:01:55am

re: #446 Gus

And on that note, time to go get some coffee. Heh.

448 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 29, 2013 10:03:41am

re: #443 Gus

I see. So allowing gays into your organization means you’re “supporting a gay lifestyle.” Whatever that is.

Maybe they just don’t like supporting happy lifestyles. I mean it would show why they’re more concerned with telling other people how to live rather then just enjoying their own lives………

449 Bulworth  Wed, May 29, 2013 10:03:54am

re: #402 Vicious Babushka

What right-wing racism?

His minions? I’ve always wondered how I could get to be a minion. Does one have to work for the WH to be a minion or can one have donated at any point in 2008/2012? If so I’d like to out myself as a minion.

450 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 29, 2013 10:04:52am

Phyillis Schalfry’s act by the way was tired in the 60’s. It’s got full blown insomnia by 2013. But really go ahead if you think your party/ideology’s problem is that you’re not attracting enough white people as whites decline as a demographic- oh wait they find that to be the proof of our country’s “decline.”

451 iossarian  Wed, May 29, 2013 10:05:05am

re: #449 Bulworth

His minions? I’ve always wondered how I could get to be a minion. Does one have to work for the WH to be a minion or can one have donated at any point in 2008/2012? If so I’d like to out myself as a minion.

I think you also have to rub your hands together and look at things out of the corner of your eyes.

452 Joanne  Wed, May 29, 2013 10:05:18am

re: #441 HappyWarrior

I love how he tries to make it like that he actually gives a shit about the kids. Dude, if you actually cared about the scouts, you wouldn’t allow a policy of inclusion to force you to make a rash decision. It’s your right to do so since it’s your church but don’t tell me that it pained you to do so because that’s just like expecting me to have pity for the religious orphanages that get heat for refusing to allow gay couples to adopt from them.

I don’t have a problem getting Scouts out of churches.

453 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 29, 2013 10:05:43am

re: #449 Bulworth

His minions? I’ve always wondered how I could get to be a minion. Does one have to work for the WH to be a minion or can one have donated at any point in 2008/2012? If so I’d like to out myself as a minion.

It depends if you’ve had blow with him or not. Not just anyone gets to be an Obama minion.

454 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, May 29, 2013 10:06:13am
455 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 29, 2013 10:06:51am

re: #452 Joanne

I don’t have a problem getting Scouts out of churches.

I don’t really either but I hate his fake attitude that he hates doing this to the kids. If he really cared about the kids, he’d set aside his prejudice towards homosexuals. Honestly, I am not that big on the BSA even with their 180 on the issue. I am glad they did of course but I still find the group too holier than thou.

456 Bulworth  Wed, May 29, 2013 10:08:36am

re: #450 HappyWarrior

Wingnuts are so hip. //

457 Joanne  Wed, May 29, 2013 10:09:44am

re: #444 Lidane

re: #445 Gus

I think they should go for it.

I am so tired of the constant barrage of Makers/Takers, Government Handouts, on the Government dole, and all that bullshit which is meant solely to divide America. Here’s an idea, you moronic GOP idea-givers…how about giving the GOP actual ideas to campaign on instead of baloney strategies to win on? If you had any ideas (from this millennium, please) the GOP might not be relegated to gerrymandering, vote suppression and other schemes to win. They might actually win.

But then again, governing iz haard.

458 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Wed, May 29, 2013 10:10:22am

re: #451 iossarian

I think you also have to rub your hands together and look at things out of the corner of your eyes.

It helps to look like this or this.

459 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, May 29, 2013 10:10:33am

re: #454 NJDhockeyfan

For fuck’s sake, dude, why spread around depressing shit like that?

460 stabby  Wed, May 29, 2013 10:10:43am
461 Joanne  Wed, May 29, 2013 10:10:50am

re: #455 HappyWarrior

I don’t really either but I hate his fake attitude that he hates doing this to the kids. If he really cared about the kids, he’d set aside his prejudice towards homosexuals. Honestly, I am not that big on the BSA even with their 180 on the issue. I am glad they did of course but I still find the group too holier than thou.

Agreed. Completely.

462 Bubblehead II  Wed, May 29, 2013 10:11:14am

re: #434 Dr. Matt

Asshole Pastor.

Asshole Sheriff.

N. Idaho sheriff questions decision to allow gays in scouts

Last week, Kootenai County Sheriff Ben Wolfinger said it would be inappropriate for the sheriff’s office to sponsor an organization that promotes a lifestyle that violates Idaho’s sodomy law.

Strange, I seem to recall that the SCOTUS ruled all sodomy laws unconstitutional in Lawrence V Texas.

463 iossarian  Wed, May 29, 2013 10:12:13am

re: #462 Bubblehead II

Asshole Pastor.

Asshole Sheriff.

N. Idaho sheriff questions decision to allow gays in scouts

Last week, Kootenai County Sheriff Ben Wolfinger said it would be inappropriate for the sheriff’s office to sponsor an organization that promotes a lifestyle that violates Idaho’s sodomy law.

Strange, I seem to recall that the SCOTUS ruled all sodomy laws unconstitutional in Lawrence V Texas.

“Here in Idaho, we’re only up to 1954.”

464 Joanne  Wed, May 29, 2013 10:12:18am

re: #462 Bubblehead II

Asshole Pastor.

Asshole Sheriff.

N. Idaho sheriff questions decision to allow gays in scouts

Last week, Kootenai County Sheriff Ben Wolfinger said it would be inappropriate for the sheriff’s office to sponsor an organization that promotes a lifestyle that violates Idaho’s sodomy law.

Strange, I seem to recall that the SCOTUS ruled all sodomy laws unconstitutional in Lawrence V Texas.

C’mon. You’re asking an agent of the law to know the law.

Or somefing.

465 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Wed, May 29, 2013 10:12:37am

re: #462 Bubblehead II

Asshole Pastor.

Asshole Sheriff.

N. Idaho sheriff questions decision to allow gays in scouts

Last week, Kootenai County Sheriff Ben Wolfinger said it would be inappropriate for the sheriff’s office to sponsor an organization that promotes a lifestyle that violates Idaho’s sodomy law.

Strange, I seem to recall that the SCOTUS ruled all sodomy laws unconstitutional in Lawrence V Texas.

Some places have left their defunct sodomy laws on the books in the hope that the Supreme Court will change its mind someday.

466 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 29, 2013 10:13:51am

re: #456 Bulworth

Wingnuts are so hip. //

Hey kids how about that Liberace!

467 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 29, 2013 10:15:19am

re: #462 Bubblehead II

Asshole Pastor.

Asshole Sheriff.

N. Idaho sheriff questions decision to allow gays in scouts

Last week, Kootenai County Sheriff Ben Wolfinger said it would be inappropriate for the sheriff’s office to sponsor an organization that promotes a lifestyle that violates Idaho’s sodomy law.

Strange, I seem to recall that the SCOTUS ruled all sodomy laws unconstitutional in Lawrence V Texas.

Yeah and Scalia and Thomas the “strict construcionists” dissented in that decision.

468 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 29, 2013 10:18:30am

re: #465 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

Some places have left their defunct sodomy laws on the books in the hope that the Supreme Court will change its mind someday.

Don’t know why. I mean this wasn’t the Warren or even Burger Court, this was the Rehnquist Court saying that sodomy laws are unconstitutional. Frankly aside from being unconstiutional, it’s a waste of police resources. Yeah, we’ve got an armed robbery. Wait, wait two gay dudes may be fucking. Sorry, we’ll get to that robbery later. Sodomy laws and anti-miscegenation such a pathetic strain on our nation’s history.

469 lawhawk  Wed, May 29, 2013 10:18:43am

Some people just don’t get the definition of socialism.

The editors at the NY Observer is busy railing against the new CitiBike program in NYC, claiming that it’s socialism and that people should just buy a damned bike.

That’s even though it’s a pay for use service, and isn’t really any different than a rental car company or ZipCar or any similar rental service that operates for profit. It’s capitalism - a value added service provided with intent to profit. They’re supposed to be making money on the rental of bikes.

Idiots.

470 Gus  Wed, May 29, 2013 10:18:50am
471 lawhawk  Wed, May 29, 2013 10:20:31am

re: #470 Gus

WTF?! Creep stays creepy.

472 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 29, 2013 10:21:09am

re: #470 Gus

I’ll never get why so many people think he got wronged. Guy’s a creeper.

473 Bubblehead II  Wed, May 29, 2013 10:22:59am

re: #464 Joanne

C’mon. You’re asking an agent of the law to know the law.

Or somefing.

Actually, I think he is fully aware that the Law has been found unconstitutional, but is using it as an excuse to let his bigotry shine through.

474 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 29, 2013 10:23:37am

re: #469 lawhawk

Some people just don’t get the definition of socialism.

The editors at the NY Observer is busy railing against the new CitiBike program in NYC, claiming that it’s socialism and that people should just buy a damned bike.

That’s even though it’s a pay for use service, and isn’t really any different than a rental car company or ZipCar or any similar rental service that operates for profit. It’s capitalism - a value added service provided with intent to profit. They’re supposed to be making money on the rental of bikes.

Idiots.

That convinces me that they think socialism to mean everything they don’t like. After all, during Czargate, we saw idiots claiming the Czars were Bolsheviks even though the Romanovs were probably among the least friendly towards Marxism in history.

475 Bulworth  Wed, May 29, 2013 10:24:02am

re: #469 lawhawk

Wingnuttia: it’s like a nightmare—it just gets worse and worse.

476 Bulworth  Wed, May 29, 2013 10:25:27am

re: #469 lawhawk

Yeah but are they paying with GOLD? True capitalismfreemarket means GOLD. /

477 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 29, 2013 10:27:43am

re: #476 Bulworth

Yeah but are they paying with GOLD? True capitalismfreemarket means GOLD. /

So that’s what Ron Paul did when he retired. He opened a bike shop.

478 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, May 29, 2013 10:30:32am

re: #470 Gus

He’s a real scumbag.

479 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, May 29, 2013 10:37:22am

re: #477 HappyWarrior

So that’s what Ron Paul did when he retired. He opened a bike shop.

Which worked out fine until he got pinned under that solid gold bike frame.

480 HappyWarrior  Wed, May 29, 2013 10:51:24am

re: #479 Feline Fearless Leader

Which worked out fine until he got pinned under that solid gold bike frame.

Yeah they tried warning him about that and that taking payment only in gold would ruin the business.

481 Lidane  Wed, May 29, 2013 10:58:59am

Yeah. This makes sense:

482 Bulworth  Wed, May 29, 2013 11:05:37am

Speaking of Phylis Shafly, cue the outrage machine:

money.cnn.com

The womenz are the major breadwinners in 40% of American homes. Just the kind of thing that Islamofascistmarxistmuslim secular humanism radical PBO would force on Amercia. /

483 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Wed, May 29, 2013 11:06:25am

re: #468 HappyWarrior

Don’t know why. I mean this wasn’t the Warren or even Burger Court, this was the Rehnquist Court saying that sodomy laws are unconstitutional. Frankly aside from being unconstiutional, it’s a waste of police resources. Yeah, we’ve got an armed robbery. Wait, wait two gay dudes may be fucking. Sorry, we’ll get to that robbery later. Sodomy laws and anti-miscegenation such a pathetic strain on our nation’s history.

It probably does little practical harm, in terms of police resources, to leave the laws on the books as long as it’s clearly understood that they can’t be enforced. It’s not like a cop who’s looking to boost his arrest statistics is going to waste his time investigating “offenses” that can’t actually lead to arrest and prosecution.

Meanwhile, Lawrence v. Texas was a 6-3 decision, so the replacement of only 2 justices by a Republican president could conceivably lead to a court that would rule the other way. That is why I’d like to see the laws repealed now, and, conversely, that’s why others want to see them remain on the books. Not to mention that in some jurisdictions a vote to repeal sodomy laws would be seen as a vote in favor of sodomy, and lead inevitably to being primaried in the next election.

484 engineer cat  Wed, May 29, 2013 12:30:50pm

re: #253 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

It’s not been proven in the same way that an invisible teacup that dematerializes when anyone tries to touch it that’s sitting on my desk hasn’t been disproved. There is no reason at all to think that consciousness continues on after death. None.

But we don’t have to say that, any more than we have to say that consciousness is not caused by a thousand invisible imps massaging the neurons.

it has certainly NOT been proven that consciousness cannot exist without a biological infrastructure

There is no reason at all to think that consciousness continues on after death. None

there are a zillion sci fi stories that speculate about this, yet the possibility of contemplating it seems here to give you anxiety

485 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Sat, Jun 1, 2013 6:05:58am

re: #484 engineer cat

it has certainly NOT been proven that consciousness cannot exist without a biological infrastructure

I didn’t say it has.

there are a zillion sci fi stories that speculate about this, yet the possibility of contemplating it seems here to give you anxiety

No, no anxiety at all. It’s just true, I’m afraid, that there’s no reason to think it persists after death. And quite a few reasons to think it doesn’t.


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